I have lived in multiple states, from the West Coast, Midwest and to New England, and traveled all across the country. I firmly believe Trader Joe's selects their real estate based on shitty parking situations.
edit Thank you for this list of large TJ's parking lots. Since I am moving again soon, I will take this information under consideration when deciding where we go next. :)
Trader Joe's where I live are nearly always in little mini-mall things where there's a laundromat and a teriyaki take-out place.
I feel so bad for those other businesses. It's not like someone happens to have their laundry in the car and the popularity of Trader Joe's pulls in more business for the laundromat.
I used to frequent the Sandwich shop, laundromat, and grocery store near my old apartment every Sunday. I'd start my laundry, eat lunch, switch laundry over, grocery shop, get laundry, and go home. Got lunch and errands done quick. I spend far more time doing laundry now at home.
The trader joes next to my childhood home has such bad parking that they literally have a security guard in the parking lot directing traffic and making sure that the southern California granola soccer moms don't kill each other by yelling Namaste and tossing avocados at each other....that might be a true story
Encino. Right off the 101 and white oak....and for those wondering yes we really do say "the" before the highway number in Southern California....and we never NEVER! call it Cali.....would you call your country a cunt?
I'm a long-time lurker who literally just made an account to comment on this. Lmao I work at Trader Joe's. I transferred stores but was hired at the Encino store and let me tell you, it wasn't much better for the employees trying to do carts without being a hit and run victim. Even at my new store, it's still such a hazard that I actually almost got hit this past week by someone who suddenly threw it in reverse without looking because they thought a spot was opening up. Trust me, we hate it as much as you do. Also for the sake of your friendly neighborhood grocery crew, please look before you reverse!
"The" is a thing elsewhere, and when I lived in Cali I called it Cali. I'm not from there, but neither is anyone else that lives there, so saying Cali also happens frequently, but I've also seen natives say it, so it doesn't really matter.
There's someone directing traffic at the Trader Joe's in Brookline Massachusetts.
MADDOGCA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's odd. The one where in the city I lived in (Camarillo) had a decent sized parking lot. Maybe we were fortunate to have a Trader Joes with a decent parking lot?
One in Chicago has a steep ramp up to the second floor of a large shared building, with a sharp hairpin curve. Once you navigate that, you're rewarded with this parking garage: http://imgur.com/qAFhrnG
R34CTz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the...why? Why make a parking lot like that? Ugh I think my brain is gonna fry from trying to figure out the logic behind this.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep where I live tiny fucking parking lot, luckily I have a car but a truck would be impossible.
Where I live our Trader Joe's had a huge parking lot. I mean massive. Car shows are actually held there. Still in a strip mall kind of thing but the surrounding businesses are not impressive.
I did say "had". They moved to a "more convenient location". This means instead of the middle of town with freeway access they moved to the major outdoor mall where I can honestly say I have yet to see there store front. I do go to that mall it has the only best buy in town, and when I'm in the mood for frozen yogurt, or shwarma. I actually thought it had just closed up, but when I was describing the old location as Trader Joe's a friend of mine informed me they moved. I bought wine there all the time. They lost my business because I didn't know they were in business for over a year. I discovered bevmo in that same mall, still no Joe's. It also has a Hooters but my story is already over.
Trader Joe's often takes over older type food stores in strip malls or older failing shopping centers that have gone under . The stores of the 70,s & 80s were smaller back as were the parking lots.
I dunno. In Portland, the one on 82nd and...is that Woodstock? I dunno. Near there, has a normal parking lot. This is Portland Oregon by the way. Not any of the non-Oregon Portlands.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one by nw 23 sucks
abqkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Though, in Portland there are so many other places like that, granola-ish food store type things, that I wonder if the demand is less here than places where it's the only store of its kind?
The non- Oregan Portland one has a good sized parking lot too. Granted, it's shared with a outdoor store thing? I think? But the TJs is the main draw there, at least for me.
To be honest, the Portland Oregon one is also a shared parking lot lol. But the one that's on it's own (deeper into Portland) does have a tiny parking lot.
mlp0139 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have zero marketing or branding experience and know nothing about the factual ideas behind the marketing, but I do have experience as a hive minded stupid human, and when I see lots of commotion I get curious and go, "Wow, Trader Joe's is always busy, I should try to get over there".
The Trader Joe's I know of in my area has the store on one side of the street and the car park on the other side. The worst part about this situation is that this store is on one of the busiest streets in the city. No matter what time of the day time, there are cars backed up to stop and allow pedestrians to cross to either side. I know they did this on purpose to either let consumers know there is a Trader Joe's in the area, or just to piss people off.
I don't think they select it for that reason, but part of their business model is using existing real estate, instead of building. I'm sure real estate with poor parking options is cheaper
helllenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:33 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put in for Portsmouth, beautiful area and the TJ is part of a larger shopping complex so the parking is always good!
dxle203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:00 on January 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, about the Danbury one, its because its also next to a Staples, Starbucks, Chipotle, pet store, and a DSW. That parking lot is huge because it has to account for all of those stores.
doonkune ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's is just Aldi products in different packaging and marked up for the hipster market.
Well the okc lot is deceiving. Actual parking spaces is much smaller than the lot size. Also there are alot of surrounding businesses that take up spots
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I see what you mean, whenever I'm there (in OKC) I never have a problem finding a spot. I gotta get those $5 macarons. I don't think those other businesses are ever particularly busy. I have been meaning to check out that soda place though.
My Trader Joe's actually moved locations to somewhere with a bigger parking lot. It's still too small but you can actually consistently find a spot every time now. It's a nice upgrade.
The Shake Shack I frequent shares a highly inadequate parking lot with a Trader Joe's, and about 20 other business including a walk-in medical clinic. I have no idea how they got zoning approval.
therest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Orlando? Man I hate parking at that trader joes...
Winter park, yeah... There's a secret to that parking lot actually: due to the way the traffic flow is restricted coming in off the light, there's almost always a spot or two in the row nearest the street, since you can only get into that row from the north.
mfigroid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here but the lot isn't that big to begin with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never thought about this before until just now. Looking back, yeah, the one in Portland is oddly too small, and the one in Vegas, off Decatur is way to small, too!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's part of the strategy to cut costs by having everything at maximum capacity all the time. No wasted space. Same reason there are always long queues at the tills - no idle time for checkout staff. They know if the prices are low enough people will put up with this shit.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 07:24:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the trader joe's by my house NEVER has a queue... they keep every register manned, I've never stood in a line longer than maybe 30 seconds at that place. and even if I do get it a line, a cashier will call me over to their empty till.
leiphos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome username haha! And relevant!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish! The only two I've been to are in Portland OR (Hollywood dist) and Milwaukee, WI so maybe other cities just don't have enough employees??
leiphos ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:45:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the one near me, the line often circles entirely around the store twice, so you start waiting usually right by the registers, and only checkout once you've gone around the store, back by the registers, and around again. There are employees who carry signs to indicate the line's path since the store is also crowded with people not on line.
Wtf. Why not have the employees holding signs man a register
leiphos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All registers are occupied, and the line would spin out of control without them. It's a very precarious queueing setup.
Bot12391 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not enough registers, or they may not be cashiers. Not everyone gets trained to use the register.
harlemrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, walked in to one like that - immediately walked out. I didn't want Trader Joe's groceries quite that badly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy crap! I've only been to TJ's in two cities (Milwaukee, WI and Portland, OR) but there's always been lots of checkers. I had no idea others were so bad!
Do they have TJs in the UK? 'Cause in 'murica we call it a line, buddy.
bruwin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:32:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they probably get the property for much cheaper because it's not an area that's desirable for a grocery store.
Mr_Grabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All Trader Joe's in my area are in super-desirable areas...
bruwin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Desirable for grocery store, meaning stores that don't have a lot of parking space, or buildings that don't have the space or layout you'd normally associate with a grocery store.
Weird. Our discounters try to have big parking lots somehow, so that you are not deterred on how full it is and are more likely to come and shop there and especially shop more. Also staff is not just at the checkout here. When it is slow, they have to do everything else in the shop too.
I love it. It's why I go there. Regular grocery stores with their yawning voids of endless mile long aisles full of birthday cards and Mylar balloons and baby powder and three hundred brands of cereal make me feel like I'll never get out of there.
Sabetsu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's so you can fit more stuff in. Worked at a grocery store that did a massive remodel, and that's one of the things they did and it allowed them to add like 4 more aisles (ironically, 2 of which were a Natural Foods section)
Part that and also it will be designed to fit just enough space for x amount of shopping carts to encourage people to stop in isles and look at products. Everything is designed with sales maximisation, colours, stacking format, stacking order, offers, sometimes even smell and air. Same thing in the UK with the supermarket oligopoly we have.
evilf23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's is the catalyst to my now consistent routine of only going shopping in the first or last hour a business is open.
This could actually be true lol, I worked at a smoothie place next to a trader Joe's that was relatively new. There was already a pretty big parking lot behind our buildings but they spent weeks moving a shit ton of dirt and concrete and honestly at the end it seemed smaller than it originally was. Could just be coincidence.
We shared are parking lot with a Trader Joe's. I often suggested that we could make the parking lot more orderly by passing out sharpened sticks and torches.
1jl ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:59:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they also build their stores too small. Because mine is always packed.
Makes sense though, right? Reason I know is because my family is in real estate and they contacted TJs to see if they were interested in the location. They sure were - they generously offered to move in, full stop. Fam said hell no on principle. I dont begrudge TJs though. It's just business ๐
Have you been to the Trader Joe's on Arroyo Parkway in Pasadena CA? Literally the smallest fucking parking lot with little to no parking in the area and an incredible amount of traffic. And no one can fucking drive. It's amazing ๐
pax_lux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:18:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the first Trader Joe's, back when it was just a small specialty store. The grocery strike in 2003 is what brought an influx of customers.
Lmao seriously. If it wasn't for my love of the soyrizo, I probably wouldn't waste my time trying to get in that one. But there's another south Pasadena location on Mission and Orange Grove, IIRC, and they have so-so parking but located in a less trafficked area so I usually don't have a problem getting in and out fast.
rdmc23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally always forget about that one. I recently moved to Houston and there's a location in a shopping center with ample parking but the immediate lot around the TJ's just feels super cramped. It's just annoying. But yes, the one on San Gabriel is pretty roomy.
As a 15 year TJ crew member, I can tell you that it is part of the low 'overhead' philosophy that allows prices to stay relatively low. No BS... TJs does 3x the business as big box super markets, but occupies a space that is 1/3 of said big box super markets.
Our trader Joe's is built into a strip mall near a petsmart and Joanns. The parking spaces are so narrow that they only really fit compact cars causing larger vehicles to park over the line. It reduces the amount of spaces actually available, making the lot smaller. Whoever painted the lines for that lot really should lose their job.
I used to work corporate for a large national athletic shoe retailer. Our stores were large standalones, usually near malls or shopping centers. The founder/CEO made sure all parking spaces were as small as legally allowed so we could pack more cars in (20 more cars meant 20 more customers).
We had our fair share of complaints from door dings, etc. but in the long run it paid off, especially during back to school and big sales. Parking lots were always full.
I don't think this is true, or at least it's not universal. I used to live in the town where the first (second? one on those two) Trader Joes was built, and it had horrifically bad parking. I'm talking ~15 spaces shared with an entire 5-store strip mall.
The parking was awful for years, but they eventually solved it... by going out of business from lack of sales. The newspaper article about it said that the owners admitted that they lost the store because their parking was so bad.
Eh. It's literally just a nautical themed german style grocery store. The fact they are owned by Aldi Nord isn't some big conspiracy. They are just styled to be more appealing to Americans in some weird way.
Well, yes. Most US patrons know nothing of Aldi though--and TJs does nothing to disabuse them. Instead, they make a science of clip-art, "hand-made" mailers that look like The Whole Earth Catalog.
That makes so much sense immediately. American here. Get my eggs and milk at Aldi's. Didn't know they owned TJs.
b217r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it isn't because they want to seem busier. The thing is they look for properties with cheaper rent, those tend to be locations that don't have the best parking. It isn't devious, its frugal.
Oh the seas were angry! We lost a couple crewmen in the south Pacific... But the island women, oh the island women, branch number 847, oh the island women.
Okay, I live in Manhattan, so we don't have parking lots near our Trader Joe's. But that place is ALWAYS busy, whenever I go. Even at 8:30 am on a weekday. Also, they won't build one on the Upper East Side. There are several available retail spots where grocery stores have closed, there is definitely a customer base who's salivating for it, but they won't do it. Then again, I was told for years that TJ's would never operate in Manhattan because real estate was too expensive, and they finally opened several stores here. The demand has stayed high.
As an architect that's designed a couple Trader Joe's I can say that it's not quite "on purpose." Though it's the same effect. The parking lots are designed to meet the requirements of the city they are in. That requirement is usually a formula of 1 parking space per X square feet of building. However, where stores like Target have a minimum requirement much higher than any city requires, Trader Joe's doesn't. Whatever parking the city requires, they provide.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:21:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. All the Trader Joes I've been to in Colorado and Oklahoma have ample sized parking lots.
Actually I can think of at least two with a more than adequate parking lot. All the other Trader Joe's I've been to have been part of a larger shopping center and so they have to share with the other businesses, which doesnt help.
They have small stores because they stock less SKUs of each type of item. The result is they get a similar number of customers as a full sized supermarket but parking regulations are based on building size and use, not customer traffic or sales/square foot.
I actually did an entire senior project in college on Trader Joe's and the reason their parking lots are crappy and their eisles are so narrow is so that they can pass savings onto consumers. The narrow shelves allows them to maximize their space, they actually have more products per store than most (any?) Other grocery stores. I believe the parking situation has something to do with cheaper real estate? It's definitely a strategic and purposeful thing. It's been a while and I'm not sure the exact motives anymore.
Fwob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking busy is exactly what keeps me from going into a store.
lfg472 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's by me is in a strip mall setting with lots of parking, BUT they put up a sensor on the shopping carts that only allow you to bring the shopping cart to a small area of the parking lot or else the wheels lock up.... I think I can confirm this theory
castikat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one near me has a perfectly adequate sized parking lot...
Gotelc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know. It is highly likely. But The one in Baton Rouge is in a strip mall with fairly ample parking Although they will always seem buisy in a strip mall with som many stores sharing the parking.
Somehow this accurately describes the TJ opened up near my home a few years ago. Their parking ramp is oddly narrow. Yeah, the lower level doesn't even have that much of spots. But the unnecessary traffic the lot caused with its excessively narrow ramp was definitely strange considering that this TJ is a part of a small strip mall.
Same goes for the store. Isles so narrow two carts can't pass. I fucking hate trader Joe's. I have no problem with the products, corporate cultural or anything like that, I hate the stores themselves. I want to puch people after a trip to TJ.
Actually the real trader Joe conspiracy is they put a product on the floor and it does well, they knock it off. If they can't do that, they just dump it.....I want my miso soup back.
tayman12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
properties with large parking lots are more expensive... probably some weird expense strategy
Alternatively: the more of a pain in the ass it is to get into a store, the more likely people are to spend a bunch of money in one sitting in hopes of not having to go there anytime soon.
One day's worth of food is easy to predict, but one or two weeks' worth is impossible to do without overshooting it.
GnophKeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bert Kreischer, is that you?
nowake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, not really. If Trader Joes is building from the ground-up, their parking lot will need to meet code. Code will specify a certain number of spaces per square foot of retail space, along with how many of those spaces must be reserved for handicap.
It may seem this way if they skimp and lease a building with a pre-existing lot, or if the lot was given some variance to the code. Believe it or not, it would actually cost money for TJ's to go out of their way to make an existing parking lot worse.
I'm a real estate analyst, and I can verify that this is true. When looking at retail properties, considerations are made for appearance.
boahabba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's just a Theory a Conspiracy Theory.
nick1231 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, listen to Kyle Kinane
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joes is trying to work around minimum parking laws to pass on savings to customers (as well as more profit to the company). Free parking is incredibly expensive for society.
uscjimmy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
never had to deal with that in socal thankfully.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Parking lot sizes are determined by store square footage.
oreo369 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WF recently moved in my town, from a shopping center with plentiful and easily accessible parking, to a newer and ritzier one that is a fucking SHITSHOW to get in and out of, with small spaces and door basically right where you try to turn in. The incessant flow of pedestrians means there are often backups into the road from people trying to turn into the lot.
I don't go there anymore unless I have absolutely no other choice.
This reminds me I heard a prominent health food grocery in California (I think it was Mother's?) purposely builds their aisles uncomfortably narrow, to discourage obese people from shopping there.
Ca7Snak3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you also believe the FDA and Kraft invented expiration dates???
Well, in my town they must have specifically chosen a place with a small parking lot. The lot came first.
Ambybutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Canadian and I visit the Trader Joe's in Bellingham every few months (Short drive across the border from where I live) and their parking lot is huge and so are the isles? Granted that's the only one I've ever gone to.
They're closing our Trader Joe's, which has a super huge parking lot, and are moving it to a different area (following the rich ppl migration I guess) with a way smaller parking lot. It's evil.
Anyway, I imagine big drift wood conglomerate with a giant swamp kiln thing to throw logs into, aging them more quickly so they can come up with the supply faster than harvesting it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:00:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an Etsy store but it's been on 'vacation' for a couple of years. There is no way I can compete with all the other stores on there. Etsy used to claim they wouldn't allow big companies to sell things on there but that's a lie. I've called them out numerous times on it.
You can, but there's a sweetness that some people don't like with some foods. I don't like making eggs with it, tastes weird to me. Most of my uses are topical versus edible for coconut oil. Moisturizer, lube.
I bet it would be great for coconut curry, and wanted to try it in a baked good, but so far have only tried it in substitute pastries/keto versions. Which can be good, but not like a regular dessert.
Kezaia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:25:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use it as lube. Seriously
DaAvalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my family do the same when we cook... We mostly find it gives a nicer flavour and I think it's healthier which is a plus.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:44:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think but you are wrong. It's is definitely not healthier for you. It is the opposite. Throw that stuff out.
Coconut oil is terrible for you. It was literally just a marketing campaign that worked far too well. Similar to the "milk does your body good" crap. No, it doesn't help your bones, itโs just a calorie dense beverage, like many other things. Drink water.
I'll link some sources when i get home. But the burden isn't mine, I've done my research. If you cared about your health you would do your own research.
Based on what? We know saturated fat is bad for you and mono and poly unsaturated fats are good for you. Coconut oil has the highest saturated fat content of any cooking oil. There are no magical healthy compounds inside coconut oil to overcome it being made up of over 91% heart clogging saturated fat.
Cutting saturated fats in and of itself does not prevent fatal heart disease, so on that point, the studies you linked are correct. Especially when these saturated fats are just replaced with high carbohydrate foods, which contribute to obesity, which in turn contributes to heart disease.
However, what these studies donโt show is that replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats; such as those found in olives, nuts & fish; greatly reduces the risk of heart disease and heart disease related mortality.
So, my point stands. If you are going to use any sort of cooking oil, using coconut oil over oils high in unsaturated fats is terrible for you.
amdrag88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only use it about once a month when cooking thai food
tugkae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But even in Thailand, people don't use coconut oil to cook food though, or do they?
studder ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:39:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says right in the first article you linked, and I quote,
"If you want to use it for its cooking properties or because you like the taste, thatโs fine, just consume it in moderation"
In fact, both articles say it's fine to eat in moderation.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you need to chill on the hyperbole if you're actually trying to make a convincing argument. Don't throw out your coconut oil, just stop buying it.
It's still worth buying for skin and hair in my opinion. I use it to cook very occasionally when making Thai food, because I find olive oil doesn't match the flavors right and I don't always have peanut or canola oil. But a few drops of rosemary essential oils in a bit of coconut oil is great for your hair, and I like to moisturize with it occasionally too.
studder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commenter claimed to "think" it was good for you.... the response was to let him/her know that it certainly isn't.... how does this offend you?
studder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because telling people to throw something out because it's less healthy than they think is a wasteful overreaction.
I'm not at all offended by it so how did that offend you?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was more my point, although I could have worded it better. The amount of people I know that use coconut oil based on the fact it's been marketed as being "healthy for you" is scary. I always advise them to throw it out. Wasteful maybe, but healthier than the alternative of using it again. I've watched people cook with it and they will also tend to use more then an alternative due to this "healthier" tag. I appreciate that's anecdotal however. I also do quite like seeing my friends get fatter, makes me look better by proxy.
The American Heart association do not care about your health. They are lining their pockets with funds from the corn/wheat industry to promote false information.
These large organisations only care about making money and if that's at the expense of your health, then so be it.
The high carb, low fat diet that's constantly being preached is a lie.
Do a bit of research, do not believe American health organisations.
Many research studies have been funded by the wheat/corn industry to promote their own agenda and line their pockets. Refined carbs are bad. Breakfast is bad for you. This bullshit 'Breakfast is the most important meal of the day' slogan Kellogs made is a lie. It is the most dangerous meal of the day.
Saturated fats do not negatively impact heart disease or diabetes etc.
I have don't have many sources with me at the moment as im at work but heres a start which contains 5 studies.
https://youtu.be/0WTcjRmosyY link to a video from someone on the board of the American heart organisation who says the article the organisation released was false.
Coconut oil works best for box cake mixes and honey mustard chicken. That's it. Otherwise olive oil is better. I recently discovered rice bran oil too, which is pretty neutral in flavor.
But olive oil is is a cheaper, easier to find, and healthier alternative to coconut oil, so......
DaAvalon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man I never give it much thought I always used to cook with olive oil but recently changed to coconut oil when everyone (inclu me) got swept away with the fad.
Resist my friend! Don't be a victim of the BS new-age ploy! Also, movie theatre popcorn had been popped in coconut oil for decades. It's been around a long time, but only recently has there been a massive PR push to make people think there's something special about it.
Kezaia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I worked for a company that has one of those pages. They just blindly follow trends
I've always found it amusing how a corporation can do two absurdly disparate things like Bell does. I mean, Mason jars and Satellites. Your think the two have nothing in common...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
swizzler ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:52:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even understand how this site works, I thought it was some sort of craft ideas site thing... but when I tried to use it as that one time I couldn't ever get to the authors post to pull up, every time I tried it just kept pulling up more posts like the one I was trying to open, so I got frustrated and went back to google image search.
Still not over the people who came into my store to find burlap to wrap around the tiers of their wedding cake. Not edible "burlap" or something to leave an impression, straight up cloth.
abqkat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I also hate 'rustic' stuff. Mostly because I grew up in the rural US south where we were rustic by necessity, not fashion. And it seems really belittling to basically emulate being broke, by doing it voluntarily. It's huge where I currently live and feels really stupid each time. And seriously, getting married outside on a bale of hay in a farmhouse is silly, and somehow more pricey than a real wedding
I'm pretty sure they're also responsible for the popularity of legal moonshine for the past few years.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:13:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, i hate this. My family has made jelly and pickles and salsa from our gardens for DECADES and i have dairy goats and cows, so i use mason jars to chill the milk.
Pinterest came along and now pint jars have gone from $6 for 18 to fucking $16. And AND! You CANNOT FUCKING FIND LIDS AND RINGS because these Weekend Housewives just want to slap chalk paint on the jar and stick it on a fucking shelf.
Not to mention the feed stores are charging for junk pallets now because of Pinterest. We made kidding stalls years ago out of them for free. Now, a pallet with missing boards and nails sticking out everywhere is $5.
Fuck Pinterest and fuck you damn Weekend Housewives.
SAT0725 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There used to be a hippie adjunct at work who would drink water out of a huge mason jar instead of a water bottle. It's like, how far out of your way do you have to go to be quirky? You're trying way too hard...
Ball Aerospace is the same company that manufactures the classic Mason Jar that everyone has come to know and love. The above comment is simply mentioning the fact that every Mason jar has released a cloud of nanites upon opening that transmit your every movement to the Ball satellites in orbit, and all of that data is sold to advertisers and government agencies. As anonymous aggregate data of course.
Ok fuck it of time travel is ever possible I want to go to that board meeting.
CEO: ok we have the satellites and the nanites ready. How do we get the nanites into people?
Suit 1: Well we could start a vaccination program where the nanites are injected with the cure for the common cold we have been keeping secret all these years.
CEO: good ide-
Suit 2: Wait I have it we sell mason jars.
CEO: shut up Larry, no one likes you.
SUIT 2 (Larry): Wait. Listen we set up a website where people can post stupid artsy stuff that all use mason jars.
We could call it masoncreations.com then what we do is we sell the mason jars with clouds of nanites hidden inside that when opened fly inside the unsuspecting human.
SUIT 1: That's stupid we should call it Pinterest.
CEO: That's brilliant, great idea Chad. You were always my favourite son.
Be careful. The last person who was this reckless wound up with their body dissolved in 42 mason jars. Mason jars are resistant to acid, so they're perfect for making salad dressings or disposing of people who know to much!
I firmly believe -- and will never be dissuaded on this -- that NBA Commissioner David Stern colluded in 1985 to ensure the New York Knicks would end up with the #1 overall pick in the draft, thus ensuring them the services of Patrick Ewing. This is what gave birth to the concept of the "frozen envelope theory." Supposedly the envelope containing the name of the New York Knicks was placed in a refrigerator just prior to the draft, and thus allowed Stern to make sure the Knicks -- arguably their biggest and most important market -- got the top pick in that draft.
on one hand you have presidential assassinations, government cover ups, banks colluding, Illuminati, simulated realities. on the other Paul Pierce crapping his pants and frosty envelope.
Sounds like you could relate those 2 things to each other on Urban Dictionary somehow.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:50:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's one floating around out there that says the NBA is 100% as fixed/predetermined as professional wrestling. This tickles me as a fan of both professional wrestling and unfettered madness.
As an above-average fan of the NBA -- I had hoped that the Tim Donaghy scandal and subsequent revelations afterward (i.e., that NBA officiants were instructed to call fouls more consistently on certain teams or not at all against certain players), and the subsequent hiring of Silver as the new Commissioner, might mean the sport would begin policing itself more consistently.
I dispute that it's 100% fixed, but I believe the NBA currently has and always HAS had more than a casual interest in the final outcome. They play favorites. They cancel trades that don't benefit the league from a marketing and ratings perspective. They turn a blind eye to teams tanking for higher draft position. They rig the lotteries so the top markets get better players. They punish disliked owners with unfavorable schedules and targeted, selective officiating. They collude with media outlets like ESPN to promote certain players whose look and feel bring in a young, white demographic over a black, inner-city one. Meantime, the prices to see an NBA game featuring one of their hand-selected "superstars" have become prohibitively expensive for all but the 1%'ers.
There's a lot to dislike about the NBA these days, but I still can't get on board with a "predetermined outcome" being the case. It's not quite kayfabe, but I'll agree with you that you can definitely SEE it from where they're standing.
namkap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The outcomes mean way too much to the individual players to believe that any professional sport is actively fixed. There's some frittering around the edges like you note here in the NBA in all the leagues, but no league actively fixes matches.
limsol45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they give the #1 pick to San Antonio over Boston for one of the highly rated player out of college for the #1 pick then if this was the case?
I believe in the "bent corner" theory of this conspiracy.
During the draft lottery process, the other draft team's logos were placed in the spinning drum all gently. The logo that would eventually be the Knicks was the only one placed in all rough, showing a bent corner lying down. Needing to know that this bent card had the Knicks logo, commisioner Stern (who'd eventually draw the logos out) felt the pressure to find the bent card when it was time to pick cards. Alas, he to his luck saw the bent card within reach, picked it up, and as he mentioned to the cameras that the team who's logo is that he got gets the #1 draft pick, Stern fidgets with that corner before placing it to the podium.
Perhaps the card was also frozen (never got into that theory), which made it even easier for Stern to find the Knicks card. But for that to be the only bent card in the process? That's the more believable conspiracy theory for me.
What I've always been skeptical about is that the rolling of the drum seems more "violent" than the original toss. Though Sterns action with the bent corner is interesting. Has anyone done a zapruder film type anaylsis showing that the card he throws in haphazardly is the card stern picked?
Oh who am I kidding, of course the internet has.
Also, bizarre that the fridge theory is upvoted so highly. It's literally just based on the fact that the knicks needed ewing, were a big market team, and got him. There is literally no other corroborating evidencd.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So was there no weighting of the chances in the lottery back then? One card for each team and just draw the order?
This is to discourage tanking. Teams still tank but this way the worst team doesn't always get the first pick, its just a higher chance than everyone else.
Every team in the lottery has a chance of getting the top pick. If you were the worst team that chance is 25% and the lowest position you can fall to is 4th pick. If you were the best team in the lottery the chance for the top pick is .5%.
Percentages are determined by an order of 4 ping pong balls. I think there are 1,000 possible combinations. The worst team gets 25% of all possible combinations for that first pick. Process is repeated for picks 2-4 and then from that point it goes by season record.
BrokeN18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah as a Lakers fan I'm excited to have a hometown kid on the team. The odds weren't terrible but it was extremely lucky for the team to keep their pick for 3 straight years, kind of makes you think.
So no, the odds weren't infinitesimal, but you're right that they've been pretttttty damn lucky considering they tried to tank even MORE down the stretch and unluckily ran into some teams who were even MORE intent on losing. coughcoughPHOENIX
This kind of adds to the theory they hate the Toronto Raptors due to the CDN$ since they didn't give Canadian Wiggins or Thompson to bump the franchise.
It's even been touched on by American sports reporters that there is an obvious bias against Toronto during playoff calls as if the refs are instructed to and they keep pissing off the league by doing relatively well.
I can believe your theory, but I think the main contributor is that they would only risk a fix for the biggest of bucks. Knicks (Ewing), Lakers (Lonzo Ball, my own theory but seems believable), and Bulls (Rose) are the top 3 markets in the NBA.
That being said, I could totally see a Canadian star flourishing on a Canadian team being a huge plus for basketball viewership, so maybe there is some incrimination of some foreign-nation discrimination.
You got to think they would want the team to flourish but I think they want to move the team to the states like Vancouver. A big thing about the playoff discrimination is I think they cannot afford to have Toronto make the NBA Finals and have to deal with the Broadcasting contracts. The loss of ad revenue along with broadcast rights since we have laws in Canada that may force them to play Canadian market commercials and share rights with companies that trade on a sub-par currency.
The Raptors didn't have a shot at Wiggins in the first place lol. They won too many games the year before to even be considered a lotto team...let alone draft the dude going #1 overall lol.
And no one is out to get them come playoffs. The Raptors two best players just so happen to be some of the worst playoff players in NBA history.
I agree on the first bit due to the stats (still pisses the league off when they do well) but the league rigged the draft multiple times to build Cleveland up for LeBron. Either giving him players to compliment him in order to win championships (Kyrie, Thompson) or enough pieces to bring in high profile players LeBron wanted to play with (Wiggins for Love)
Wiggins fix was just as bad as Rose. Both the Bulls and Cleveland had 1.70% to land the first pick.
And yeah I agree with Lowry/DeRozen falling off in the playoffs but the foul calls are insane. Let's not forget the famous "LeBron Diving" meme came from the Raptors series.
wade3690 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had something like a 1.5% chance of getting the #1 pick i believe? Made for a good story though. Derrick Rose who played at Simeon in Chicago getting to come back and play for the Bulls
Something you didn't mention, but as they're putting the envelopes in to shuffle them, they clearly bang the corner of one of the envelopes, presumably the one that has the Knicks logo inside.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:00:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love NBA conspiracy theories. They're the best.
There was the one about Paul Pierce pooping his pants
There was the one where MJ's baseball career was really to cover up a suspension for gambling
There was the one where Greg Oden broke his knee falling down the stairs drunk and on cocaine and so they circulated an embarrassing rumor about him breaking it playing Dance Dance Revolution to draw attention away
There were the 2000 western conference finals, in which the Trail Blazers had a trip to the NBA finals taken away in the 4th quarter of game 7 after an absurd number of fouls were called on them, sending the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe to the NBA finals because LA is a more important market than Portland.
There were the 2001 where basically the same thing happened except it was the eastern conference finals with Philly and Milwaukee
I put nothing past David Stern. If there was a contest for Most Corrupt Individual To Lead a Major Sports League... well, Stern would get some votes. Probably behind the IOC. And cycling. And soccer. And boxing. And Roger Goodell. And Gary Bettman. And a host of other corrupt motherfuckers.
As much as I like dislike Stern, he was very good at expanding the NBA as a brand. The NBA continues to be one of the best and progressive sports leagues in America.
It's important to note that David Stern also benefitted immensely in that the majority of his expansion efforts and seeming misdeeds happened before the internet was a huge part of everyone's lives, and so he was able to operate without the looming shadow of the microscope of public opinion. I give him a lot of credit for making the NBA accessible to many paying audiences... but that doesn't excuse the fact that the NBA has been priced out of the visibility of most consumers, and exists now, predominantly, as a TV-only sport.
I can't speak for your geographic area, but I live in Phoenix, and my team is what most impartial audiences would deem "not very good." But to get tickets to see the Suns play a scrub team that's also "not very good" would cost me at minimum $45-50 a ticket... and if I wanted to see the Suns get massacred by a team of stars like Golden State, or Cleveland, or even a middling team like the Bulls or Rockets, tickets will START at around $150-200. When it's no longer feasible for an average family of four to watch your sport in person, that's a terrible bellwether for your continued feasibility as a sport. I mean, say what you will about the MLB, but it's still possible to take your family to a game without considering whether you'll need to plan for it like a vacation.
BobcatOU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree with you about how ridiculous the price of an NBA ticket is, but the comparison to baseball isn't a perfect one. Baseball stadiums are roughly twice the size of NBA arenas and MLB has twice as many games as the NBA.
You're right, and I should've taken that into consideration -- thank you. If we want to keep audiences and length of season in consideration, I would guess the NHL is probably a better touchpoint -- the top teams in each league attract about 800-900k per year. And the cost of an NHL ticket is about the same as the NBA, and even in some cases skews higher than the NBA.
Yikes. Guess I'm lucky that my local NHL franchise is not very good.
BobcatOU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:11 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I have an AHL team in my city! The Cavs are expensive enough!
I think those prices depends on the sport. Baseball will always be cheaper cause there are +30,000 more seats and twice as many games as basketball. But I agree its hard to make NBA a live family event between the expensive tickets and the blackout date rules on watching teams live.
Also I live in NYC so Knicks tickets during the time they went 17 wins are like $80 for nosebleeds. On average its $150 and i never ever bother when a big name team comes to town.
In this same vein, I firmly believe that the 2012 draft was rigged to get Anthony Davis to the Pelicans. It is way too suspicious that the league takes control of the team, puts a stop to them trading away Chris Paul to the Lakers and they coincidentally they get the #1 pick right before the league tries to sell the team.
What about the theory that Stern colluded with Michael Jordan to rid him of his gambling debts and force an early retirement?
DevsiK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:35:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe this one because MJ probably brought stern and the whole league more money than any other player ever at the time. Keeping him around is simply more profitable for Stern
Fun fact. Went to high school in ga with Ewing jr. For a year. He was pretty good. Hurt a kid real bad in a game though. Kind of a douche but everyone was all over him.
He carried around a bobble head of his dad's and would ask it questions. His favorite was "an I better than you?โ and make it say yes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This still happens today. All 2016-2017 season people complained about parity and oh look! Another big-market team (Celtics) with young talent who has a chance to be competitive to the Cavs within the next 3 years gets the first pick! And the Lakers get 2nd to draft the big marketed name and become relevant again! What a coincidence!
EDIT: There are just too many coincidences throughout the years pertaining to the draft - there is absolutely collusion/corruption going on amongst owners and the commissioner in the NBA whether it be the draft, refereeing, etc.
Nah I think the Celtics played that well. Brooklyn is the one who messed that up. Trading your first round picks for players who left the team after a year. That was one of the dumbest moves ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard not to believe any of the NBA conspiracy theories. Tim Donaghy didn't help.
Actually, there's a video that highlights that shows them intentionally bending the corner of an envelope, followed by Stern identifying and pulling that envelope from the middle of the stack.
D.B Cooper: The whole flight crew was in on the scam, nobody jumped out of the plane. He hid somewhere the authorities wouldn't have checked and then strolled out with the money wearing an outfit he had under his clothes.
They drew it out too long and the last couple seasons lost a lot of the quality and character development. It tried turning itself into the other show that had just came out: 24.
That movie will forever be linked to the one time I got caught stealing content. I downloaded it from Limewire back in the day and my parents got a notice about piracy and shutting off the internet. I was forced to delete it and Limewire before I could even watch it.
Gyrgir ยท 1223 points ยท Posted at 23:20:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm partial to the theory that Ron Paul is D.B. Cooper. The age-adjusted sketch that the FBI released in 2008 looks a lot like Paul, and pictures of Paul from the mid-70s look a lot like the original sketch. Paul's height (5' 11") also matches Cooper's description.
In addition, Paul first ran for office in 1974, the year after the hijacking, which would fit if the hijacking was a way a raising money to go into politics.
Wow this might actually be the most plausible theory. Has anyone ever seen Ron Paul and D.B. Cooper in the same room? How good are Paul's wilderness survival skills?
Tw1tcHy ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 04:38:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ron Paul lives just a few miles from me and delivered many of my friends when they were born. I see him fairly often riding his bike, at his age the dude is still moving pretty well. Subtract ~45 years and I can only imagine that he'd dominate a survival test in the wild.
Until there is a photo of Paul and Cooper on the plane on the night in question I can't think of a single reason why you would believe otherwise. The burden of proof is undeniably in his court.
On top of that, the guy is a hardcore Libertarian, possibly because he wants the government to be too weak to investigate further and try to go after him for his crimes.
Maybe reddit is on to something here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except he was a gyno for years previous
kebabwhy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:43:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone's seen DB Cooper in any room for a while.
The "presidential candidates are actually players in old conspiracy theories" joke is one of my favorite the internet has graced us with. It is also the favorite of Ted Cruz: The Zodiac Killer
Gyrgir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:43:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's believed it was never spent because the bills never made their way back to banks. But many of Paul's core supporters don't trust the banking system.
As fun as that is of a theory, I highly doubt that. If you one of the most wanted men in America at the time, the last thing you're gonna do is go plaster your face all over and put yourself in the limelight like that. Our government is dumb but not that dumb lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ive been 6' my whole life and met ron paul in person
if hes 5'11 then scales have been lying to me my whole life and im anywhere between 6'3 and 6'6
leiphos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:02:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ive been 6' my whole life
Unbelievable that your mom was able to deliver you at that height.
Tommy Wiseau does have the appearance of someone who got really well-done, really bad Botox. Like before the technology was good, but the doctor knew their shit. It's this uncanny valley of youthfulness, where he both looks to be older than time itself and around 40-50.
I really like this theory, mostly because it makes Tommy Wiseau that much more entertaining. But I tend to subscribe to the theory that Greg Sestero poses in The Disaster Artist. Especially since, if it's true, it almost makes Tommy Wiseau sympathetic.
I'm about 90% sure D.B. Cooper was my uncle. Looked exactly like him, worked for Boeing and knew a lot about planes, knew the states of Oregon and Washington like the back of his hand, ran into financial troubles and started losing his mind around the time the heist happened, and died under highly suspicious circumstances at about the right time (the authorities didn't let anyone see the body).
Also, his first two initials were D.B.
EDIT: A little more information, since people have requested it:
D.B. stood for Donald Brutka. He tested prototype planes for Boeing, and also served as kind of a go between for Boeing and the Military, reporting to the latter about planes the former was making and analyzing their potential uses (at least I think that's what he did. He was never allowed to talk about it). And according to my mother, he might have worked around radiation at some point, but why I have no idea.
He eventually quit his job and started living in a trailer (he lost the money from his job on alcohol and gambling) and began distancing himself from the rest of the family. He also seemed to be going a little crazy (although this may have been because of drug use).
I don't remember the exact date, but he (allegedly) died in his trailer. None of us from his family ever saw the body, we just got a visit from the police telling us he had been found and identified (we don't know by whom, though) and he was going to be interred in a few days. We were never allowed to see the body nor attend his burial.
From pictures I've seen (although I can't find any right now) he does look quite a bit like the FBI sketches of D.B. Cooper. He was 39 when he disappeared, the right age. He would have known all that he needed to about planes and parachuting (which may explain why Cooper requested military style parachutes, which require training to operate). He had traveled all around Oregon and Washington in his youth and was very familiar with the land and the topography. And with his declining mental and financial state, I wouldn't have put it past him to have done it. I don't think he would have had any trouble abandoning his family for a completely new life.
They found a sign that's from the back stairs in the plane in the forest a few years later. I assume that's what they mean. It likely was blown off when Cooper jumped.
Same reason. You want to convince people that Cooper jumped and successfully made it to the ground, so you toss a little bit of the cash. It cuts into your take only a little bit, and it makes the story that much easier to sell.
I respectfully disagree with you here, based on one thing:
When they found that bundle of money in the river it was still in a bundle.
Even if the flight crew was in on it and knew the serial numbers would be traced, even if they decided to make it seem real by opening the door mid-flight to chuck out a bunch of money: why keep it bundled? What are the odds of the bundle being found in such dense wilderness? It could easily get stuck in a tree or washed away in a river, or stuck somewhere completely inaccessible.
Better to open the bundle and chuck it out the open door as a bunch of loose notes to increase the chances of it being found.
Surely if they were smart enough to pull off the rest of the heist they would know the odds of one bundle of money being found are very slim.
For this reason I doubt the crew was in on it, although it is possible.
Hydris ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:33:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one would bat an eye at a loose bill. Well rather no one would find it suspicious, just that they were lucky.
or he parachuted out with the money, buried it somewhere in utah, and then made his way down south and was arrested for vehicular manslaughter... and then sent to fox river state penitentiary.
and then he met michael scofeild ;)
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:58:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except no money has ever turned up in circulation. He ded
This is actually probably the most rational explanation. No one with any parachute experience would have made that jump. No one without parachute experience would have made that jump.
Alternatively, someone who had some experience with parachutes, but not enough to be able to recognize how monumentally and stupidly risky that jump was; one of the FBI's modern suggestions is that he might've been part of the Air Force who would've gotten some rudimentary training in how to operate a parachute in an emergency (specifically, one of the guys who helped make high-altitude supply drops).
I'm too baked to go into the details but I find the theory that DB Cooper was also the Zodiac Killer to be an entertaining one, no matter how foolish it could be.
I once saw a theory that the Zodiac Killer was also the Black Dahlia murderer. Not sure if it's believable but it was very interesting.
sjmiv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that were true someone in the flight crew would have come forward. Before or after the crime
xraig88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was so excited when it was theorized that Don Draper would turn out to be D.B Cooper. Evidence was piling up to support the theory, he even left and went West all of a sudden, but then nope. Just smiles and makes a Coke commercial.
Naw, that kid found a wad of 100s in a river. Also that's a way more complex scheme, convincing an entire flight crew to go along with it and getting them on the same flight? Plus it's wayyyyyy more glorious that he just disappeared.
Was it a commercial airline, or something smaller? Where did the money come from that he stole? If he opened the doors, wouldn't the air suck people out like we see in movies?
Super interesting story that I recommend you read because the details are fascinating. Commercial airline that he hijacked by telling the stewardess he had a bomb. The money was provided by the FBI after all of the bills were photographed and their serial numbers were recorded. He had all of the hostages go into the cockpit while they de-pressurized the cabin (not sure of the phrasing there), he activated the aft airstair apparatus, then jumped. None of the money has ever been found. Like I said, quite an interesting story that you should read sometime.
MrLomax ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:57:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite detail is that he ordered a bourbon right before he started the hijack.
Sat down, ordered a bourbon and coke, smoked a cigarette, ordered another bourbon, said please and thank you, stole 200k and jumped out of a plane, never to be seen again. In a weird way I admire him
The short of it is that a man named DB Cooper hijacked an airplane, demanded 200k, demanded the plane take off again and then the fucker jumped out of the thing over some crazy ass territory and had never been seen again. Some years later some of the bills were found near the river but other than that, nothing.
It was in like 1973 when you could take a bomb on an airplane with relative ease.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:21:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The money also never turned up but I'm convinced he bought drugs from a Mexican cartel then resold the drugs for cash, the money in question is probably still wrapped and hidden away in Mexico
Alternatively: he died in the landing, and his corpse has either never been recovered, or has been recovered but never had the link made between it and his identity as D.B. Cooper.
It could have easily been wrapped and stashed like I said we are talk about a group that deals in millions of dollars it's possible that it was stashed in a building for future use, noted in a ledger that it's on hand and more or less forget about
Lebagel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose that's possible, but fanciful nonetheless. You'd also expect it to eventually turn up and it's been a long time.
the money in question is probably still wrapped and hidden away in Mexico
hold on, everywhere it says that the money never went back into circulation. Do mexican cartels use US dollars? If they were, wouldn't it make sense that the money could still be used there and practically be exchanged for some more "clean" money?
Is there a chance the FBI gave him bad parachutes? I doubt he would have known if a parachute was going to work or if it was a dud before opening it in the air.
Bruins01 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:33:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he through out 100k into the stormy weather to throw off the small chance that authorities find the bundle of cash way out in the woods 30 years later? Think about what you just suggested.
How do you explain the money with the correct serials numbers found in a river years later
kebabwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch unsolved mysteries dude. Their first episode from the early 90s covered it. People found multiples bundles of cash along the river he would have landed near. Lots of them with the serials intact and matching the list made before they gave him his cash.
But I remember hearing that some of the money from the hijacking was found buried in the bank of a river, and that his parachute was found in the woods
nug4t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:34 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he probably died without protection at - 57c and later rain... even proffesionals wouldnt dare such a jump nowadays. He jumped straight into the wildness
karizake ยท 4939 points ยท Posted at 01:30:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Pope Francis had just started there were some rumors that he would dress as a normal priest at night and volunteer at soup kitchens and whatnot incognito. I like the thought of the Pope getting just a tiny bit too stressed adjusting to his new job.
I came here expecting to find depressing things that I refused to believe. Thanks for proving me wrong!
kaiplay ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 07:31:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I had a similar thought. "What am I getting myself into if I read these?" Apparently theories about a guy in the NBA pooping his pants and the Pope doing volunteer work.
I don't think "funded and promoted" means what you think it means.
cath91 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:08:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...so what does it mean?
Edit: Will you explain that to us? I thought the Catholic Church did a lot for science and the belief some people hold of the Church being anti-science was simply a myth (basically, fake news, as people love the term these days), just like the "Jesus comes from Horus" myth and many others.
Ummm, your source (which makes no bones about its own bias) admits that Galileo was summoned before the inquisition for teaching heleocentrism.
It then goes on to defend that action by claiming that the issue wasn't the heliocentric view, but just that Galileo taught it after promising not to. It also remarks that Galileo's imprisonment wasn't that bad, because he was under house arrest in a nice villa.
I don't care how nice the villa was, or what Galileo was forced to promise before he started reaching again. If you summon people before an investigative body for the content of the science that they teach, and if you imprison them in any way -- nice house or otherwise -- you're in the wrong. Believing otherwise is a rejection of basic human rights (an area where the church has also been historically deficient).
Also, look at a more reputable source like the NYT:
Galileo was forced to recant to avoid being burned at the stake, but was still kept under house arrest for 8 years until he died. That doesn't sound progressively pro-science to me. In fact, the church in 1992 essentially apologized and agreed with Galileo. Taking 350 years to agree with Galileo seems like the exact opposite of being pro-science.
Finally, without getting into the church's abysmal record on human rights, let's talk about something recent: how many people do you think have been sickened by completely preventable illness or died in childbirth because the church is too stubborn to see the value of distributing condoms in developing countries, or making medically-necessary abortions available in religiously-run hospitals in the United States? How many LGBT youth do you think have killed themselves because the church of their parents refused to accept them? Refusing to accept change, or to understand society in any way beyond its own narrow understanding is a hallmark of the Catholic church.
In sum, the church only likes science when science suits the church, and that attitude is unscientific at its very core.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are throwing way too many topics at once, as if viciously attacking the Catholic Church via diverting attention was the main goal of your comment. Maybe it is my European upbringing, but I won't debate hatred and passions, especially when they are filled with guilt-trips which, put into actual context, mean something entirely different. Heck, that strategy is even obsolete these days.
Now, many people (and some are here) actually believe the Church even killed Galileo, along with many more myths that promote the idea that the Church was anti-science. They believe that the Church was silencing science instead of trying to defend science just like all the scholars did then and still do today with current matters. Look all over and you will find countless sources that debunk these "Church is anti-science because it must be" ideas by explaining what actually happened with Galileo. Sources like this one: https://www.str.org/article/answering-galileo-myth#.WZRHnXopCf0 this one: http://www.ukapologetics.net/galileo.htm this one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnfarrell/2016/04/17/galileo-and-the-myth-that-wont-go-away/#4f3b3ac51e7f and many others. You could also check out the source I provided on one of my previous comments on religion and science.
Hatred is not the answer and perpetuating myths won't solve anything.
Edit: I have to leave, I will come back later to see where things are.
Edit2: I came back and replied.
The purpose of my penultimate paragraph was simply to give a few more current examples of how the church's refusal to accept modern views has been damaging to humanity. I understand your point that it's a lot to address, though, so let's concentrate on Galileo.
Just focusing on the facts: what (factually) do you believe that the church did to Galileo, and why do you think it was OK?
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I will not give you a chance to unnecessarily take things to a different territory so you have multiple chances at it from different perspectives. That is also a known strategy to me, and all it achieves is getting things all foggy and useless.
The sources are there, the information is there, and I will personally not debate facts. You can go ahead and do so but if you do, do it respectfully and not like before. We have too much hatred in the world already.
I'm not totally sure what you're suggesting my conversational tactic to be, but I assure you that you have misinterpreted my intent. I don't want to debate facts in the least. I want to understand what facts you are accepting as true so that we can discuss them.
For instance:
It is my understanding that Galileo was persecuted and imprisoned by the Catholic church because he taught a scientific theory that they felt disagreed with their beliefs. Do you agree those facts are true? If so, do you believe that the actions of the church were acceptable, and do you see those actions as demonstrating an acceptance of science?
Also, a brief tangent on the topic of respect:
I believe that my responses have been respectful, albeit passionate. I have not said anything disrespectful or hateful about you or your beliefs. I have said what I believe to be true about the church as an organization, which is that it has -- in large part -- not been friendly to science, and has sometimes exhibited remarkable cruelty in the name of its beliefs. In fairness, I think that the majority of people in the church who have behaved badly have probably done so for what they believed to be good, even moral, reasons.
To finish this tangent, I will add that it is imperative in a civil society to be able to call an entity's actions into question without being branded as hateful or disrespectful. For example, turning to American politics, I will easily and immediately say that the Republican party's stance on immigrants is ill-advised and in many cases cruel. I will not, however, say that all Republicans are terrible racist xenophobes. The first is a valid and civil opinion, the second is hateful invective. If we are unwilling to listen to valid, civil opinions because we disagree with them and so feel they are disrespectful, then we resign ourselves to a seat in an echo chamber.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those questions are worded in such a loaded way, but since I can see through it and couldn't care less about all this correctness: Yes and no, because "their beliefs" were scientific ones in that case and other scholar fellows of him disagreed ("prosecuted"?) with him first. No, but they were defending science over all and also, Galileo's behavior wasn't very appropriate. Yes, absolutely.
All you need to know is being discussed in the sources I have provided you personally, and the one you will easily find on a previous comment of mine on this thread. The Catholic Church has not been (nor currently is) anti-science. It might be hard to learn that multitudes of people are starting to believe this, but it is 2017 and some old myths are currently dying. This Galileo tale that many people used to claim those (fake news) myths against the Church is proven to be wrong, just like the "Jesus being Horus" myth and other lies. Most historians do in fact agree in that the Catholic Church has not been anti-science. When one is in the academic world (the actual academic world, not the "status and agenda" one), one knows as much as this. I mean, it is a known thing at this point and I have provided you with sources. Lawrence Principe is one of many that talks a lot about this, in case you are interested to learn more. Not to say that the Church has done everything right. Not at all, but that is a different topic altogether.
Also, don't even bother explaining what you said or didn't say. Come on, people can see through words and it's just obvious that you were just attacking the Catholic Church, and that's where your arguments lost many points. I mean, why bringing up the LGTB youth or condoms in Africa? I could bring up cat videos, for instance, but the topic here is a myth about the Church being anti-science.
Yes, the church persecuted and imprisoned Galileo,
...but it was because they were defending what they believed to be correct science (which was believed by other scientists in the same period),
...and Galileo wasn't very nice about it,
...so it was OK.
If that is what you're saying, I have to point out how unscientific those actions were on the part of the church (assuming for the sake of the discussion that all the facts, as you presented them, are correct). The scientific method revolves around debate and the free exchange of ideas. Forcing someone to recant (and imprisoning them) because you think their science is incorrect is unscientific (and morally wrong).
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say I agreed with how the Church treated him. I in fact answered "no" to your question, which is exactly the view of some writers from my sources. Please, don't make things up at this point.
Also, funny how your last paragraph agrees with a source of the ones I have posted here.
You don't agree with how the church treated Galileo, but you think that the church's actions were pro-science?
Please explain.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:15 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. You don't get it, do you? The Church and Galileo's fellow astronomers and scholars weren't being anti-science with Galileo. What happened was merely a dispute that started when Galileo made fun of the Pope, of all people, while attempting to reinterpret some passages of the Bible to fit certain scientific views of his that were being refuted by his peers, after promising not to do such things. What happened is that, eventually (and after his death), it was proven that his theories were correct, even though he could not have proved them during his lifetime. The atheist movement has simply taken all of this way out of proportion and without considering any kind of context to then create a myth that, again, is rejected and considered a MYTH by most historians of science today, in 2017.
And now, even besides this Galileo thing, you want to say the Catholic Church is anti-science? Fine, there is freedom of speech and as far as I am concern you can also talk about condoms in Africa or the LGBT youth. Does it make your statement true, while gaining the support of the historians of science of this world? No, because it just isn't true, but a known myth instead.
I read your source. It was ok (for being the NYT) but it (purposely?) fails to address many issues and its first paragraph isn't worded accurately, which is not very surprising, if I have to be honest. In case you haven't read some or any of my sources, here you have them so you can have all the facts on the table:
No, I really don't get what you're taking about. Please explain what part of imprisoning a scientist for what they wrote or said (regardless of content) is pro-science.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my gosh...You are the one being anti-science. Please, quit being narrow-minded and read this new source to learn and become better at this. Written by an atheist historian, if that makes any difference. Again, this is a known thing today, it is an actual truth, it is what people learn at good institutions today, in 2017. Everything else is simply a conspiracy theory of many that populate the internet these days, unfortunately. Sorry if I am being harsh, but spreading fake news is just something that gets to me. New (6th) source here: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-misunderstood-historical-event/answer/Tim-ONeill-1 This answers all your questions. Have fun!
/u/RealMurio and /u/H31s3nB3rg feel free to read this comment's source and/or the whole thread as well. I don't do this to be on top, but so next time someone treats this myth as a fact, you'll know more than them and therefore will be on the better side.
I read all your sources, but I still don't understand how imprisoning a scientist for what they say or write is pro-science. Could you please explain it? (Note: If you just cite another "expert" instead of directly answering my simple question, I will be forced to conclude that you don't actually understand anything about this history and are incapable of explaining it.)
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:39 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you for real? You provide no arguments/sources to support your opinion, you don't define what consists "anti-science" and why, and you reduce the issue many people have wrote books about (religion VS science) to one little, vague question based on a minor episode of history. Really? You are losing this badly and are just about to quit but that's ok...Since your question is not a "yes or no" question, I will take it part by part.
Your whole argument of the Church being anti-science in general lacks sense, as proven by many people (I have provide you with some sources, but thousands prove it already). The myth of the Church going against Galileo merely because he had different scientific views is false, which also proved (you have read it on the sources).
Now, the Church went after Galileo because a complex combination of things, which summarized would be that he was an instigator who pushed his theories (some of them wrong today, by the way) without demonstrating them and facing opposition from his fellow scientists, mocked the Pope and went against what back in the time was not only the Church but the "established order". They didn't go after him because of his scientific views themselves, as proved (in the sources). Was what the Church did ok? Not really. Was it "anti-science"? Certainly not. Anti-science maybe would have been not letting his first book on the issue be around for 70 years (until new and more updated theories surfaced among scientists), or not letting him write and spread his works written during his house arrest, or saying his science was wrong although was demonstrated. This things didn't happen and the church did not oppose science.
Also, I remind you this is simply one tiny case blown out of proportion. Maybe you can explain to me who proposed the theory that is now known as the "Big Bang Theory" (look it up yourself if you haven't studied it), or many other scientific discoveries. You could also tell me which one is the largest non-governmental healthcare organization in history and in today's world (look it up also, I know it already). I refuse to give you the sources to this and a lot more, since you don't seem to care for facts, but for ego and power instead. Reminds me of someone...
To sum all this up, I have replied to your answer and provided you with many sources (some of them by excellent scholars), while you have come up with one incomplete news article and a very vague and biased question, which I have answered. You are still inside the cave, defending a dead myth. I encourage you to come out now that most people are, before you are singled out as "simplistic" or "gullible".
I asked a simple question, and you wrote five paragraphs, none of which answered it.
An answer to my question should probably have looked like this: "The church's imprisonment of Galileo was not anti-science because... [reasons]."
As to your comment that concentrating on the Galileo incident is narrow: yes, you're right -- it is narrow. I seem to recall that we elected to narrow our focus of discussion because you found my initial comments to be too broad.
If you want to broaden the discussion, I'm inclined to start with the church's refusal to distribute condoms or teach accurate and complete sexual health. A mountain of scientific evidence shows that condoms are one of the most effective ways to reduce the spread of HIV and other STIs, yet the church prioritizes dogma over public health. I suppose it could be argued that the church isn't opposing the science of sexual health, just the application of that science, but my point is that the church's stance has deprived thousands of people of the benefit of modern science and has undoubtedly hastened some of their deaths.
Beyond simply restricting information and refusing to distribute it, the church has -- either intentionally or out of ignorance -- spread scientific falsehoods to justify its stance.
Example regarding condoms from The Guardian:
"The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.
The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV."
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:03:58 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't prove the Galileo affair to be anything but a myth, and then jump to a different topic? That's fine, I guess. Also, what do you think of the historians of science and just historians in general's views on the Galileo affair and the Church being pro-science? Please, include your opinion on that in your next comment, since you haven't said a peep about it yet. When you disagree with any kind of expert, it's a must to explain why and how. And again, many people like that (and like some people from the sources) are writing entire books or teaching university classes about it, so it really needs you to clarify your opinion on their views! Even Wikipedia (as stated before) agrees that the Church has historically been a patron of sciences. Don't forget to clarify that bit when you reply, please.
Now, I replied to your question by saying that the Catholic Church certainly was not being anti-science. You asked if it was "pro-science" for persecuting a person for whatever reason, but that is a misleading question given the broad roles the Church had in Galileo's times. Now there is a separation between the Church and the State, but back then there wasn't. Asking if the Church was being pro-science by persecuting a person (for whatever reason, as you said) is like asking if you are being pro-science by making your SO cry, for instance. Or in other words, it is a question that lacks sense. Still, I did reply in the best way possible, and just did again.
You bring up the developed countries again, to switch from a myth you couldn't prove as real (as of now) to something else where you might be luckier. Is that even OK? I didn't think so, but who cares, really. The claims your source talks about were made in a moment when it was known that certain types of condoms (the membrane ones, mainly, but also other latex types that were dipped in latex only once instead of the now normal two times, and others that were torn, stored inefficiently or simply defective) were actually letting HIV pass through those "tiny holes". It's also good to know that the Catholic Church believes that a more efficient way of improving this unfortunate situation is teaching to live a responsible sexual life, with everything that this would entail. Also, did you know that the Catholic Church is the world leader in granting care to HIV patients? This is very easy to find online, if you're interested. And it's not just a news article, but actual sources that can be found. If you want to go to the abortion issue, go ahead and do that yourself, but I warn you that it's precisely there where science really shines in favor of Catholics.
Funny thing is, the church used sources to imprison and prosecute Galileo.
They didn't bother to understand what he was saying, they just assumed he was wrong based on their sources, which is kinda what you are trying to do right now.
Oh, the irony.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:27 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I provide many sources, you provide zero, and you are right just because you say you are? You seem to be one of those armchair scholars that populate the internet.
Considering that you seem unable to contribute, at least check out my responses to the other person so you don't miss a thing! Only if you feel comfortable with it, of course.
See, there are two kind of people: those who want to win arguments 'cause they think they're right, and those who want to win arguments 'cause they want to prove something.
If you think about it, this argument is pointless. You're not gonna change your mind so why should I bother? I know I'm not wrong, there is really no reason for me to keep going. I don't have anything to prove either, since this is a downvoted marginal subdiscussion on an already old reddit post, and I don't really know you, so why would I have to prove myself to you?
It's the internet, no one gives a crap about your efforts to make a proper argument, and no one will change his mind.
You are utterly wrong but you won't see it, 'cause you need to prove this to yourself, and by proxy, to us. Your sources are for the most part revisionist garbage, and your logic lacks the basic understandings of stuff like human rights.
That's what I see from here.
And I still don't care.
Have a good life, my man.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:00 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you have things to prove. You made a brave statement and showed no evidence at all to back it up. That's what we saw from here.
Don't worry, what the pope and his cardinals do to children is pretty depressing.
zaklein ยท 692 points ยท Posted at 04:28:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although the Vatican officially denied the allegation, it wouldn't shock me if they did so moreso for practical/security matters than for the purpose of conveying the truth. The claim has never been properly verified, but I personally consider this less of a conspiracy and more of a fun secret--it just seems so appropriate given his public persona, especially when the adoration was overflowing right after his installation.
(Side note: I'm not sure if installation is the right word...what do you call it when they declare a new pope? Popification?)
Edit: Pontificating or election were what I was looking for, thanks for the help!
You just gave me a mental image of a computer screen with a little bar across it and a message reading "Now installing Pope Version 226: Francis Edition".
kebabwhy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called being elected. When a pope dies the Vatican convenes all the Cardinals and then they vote on who gets the job next.
Don't worry about the pope, we'll install it and be out in a few days. The check will come in the mail so just uhh pay that when you get it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:50 on December 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess lying is OK when you're the pope? Sounds legit
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:20 on December 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where in that story did the Pope lie? I don't think the Pope has ever even been directly asked about the allegation.
And even if he were and had said that it wasn't him, we unfortunately live in an era where people would absolutely try to harm him if they knew he was out and about unprotected at night. Would you really blame him?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people around him lying for him; and you should live within the constraints of your own religion if you are the voice of your god on earth, if you don't then nobody else will
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:35 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you get this upset about lying then religion--any religion--is definitely not for you. Actually, people probably aren't for you either...plenty of dishonest atheists out there too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:45 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Atheists don't make rules about being honest though
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:05 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between atheism and anarchy, and even so...great, the lying atheists are just hypocrites rather than, what? Hypocrites who think they're going to hell?
Bang-up job establishing the moral high ground for the atheists on this one.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:02:29 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even understand your gibberish at this point
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:38 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine trying to understand whatever you're trying to get at...catholicism/religion are bad because a couple people might have lied to protect the pope from being harmed while he was out and about doing good deeds without security?
Ok, chief. You keep doing you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:54 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's just the part where the pope is meant to be the voice of God on earth and so he probably shouldn't tell fibsies or stand around while other people do that for him
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:34 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He hasn't lied--still hasn't been asked about it, as has been pointed out above.
But what you're saying is that the people around him should rather needlessly put his life in danger by telling an ultimately irrelevant truth than tell a "fibsy" that allows him not only to live, but also to continue to engage in acts that makes many other people's lives better?
You tell me, what seems like the greater good?
And you're also assuming that they're lying. I just speculated that they might be because I like the idea of a pope who actually goes out and does good deeds instead of preaching empty words from his pulpit...the Vatican could just as easily be telling the truth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:01 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I don't go around telling everyone to follow a bunch of rules that don't make sense, but the pope is that guy, so he should live with the consequences of 100% compliance and demand the same from those around him. If he can't follow the rules then what's the point of anyone else trying
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:56 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't go around telling everyone to follow a bunch of rules that don't make sense
Proceeds to demand that the pope follow a rule that doesn't make sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:17 on December 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Popes had a coronation and wore a "papal tiara" until Vatican II where the tiara was symbolically abandoned. All subsequent Popes (John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis) have been "inaugurated" instead of coronated.
kebabwhy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:35:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legally the pope is the "King of Rome" it's an agreement from mussolinis reign. It's why the Vatican City is legally a nation. Basically mussolini gave the church legal sovereignty over their bit of Rome, in exchange they kept their mouths shut about how evil Hitler and mussolini were.
Not to nit-pick but that isn't a conspiracy theory. I'm not sure if you're American but they seemed to have created a connection between "conspiracy theory" and "wild outlandish idea" or "conjecture without proof". A conspiracy theorist is someone who postulates (usually, hopefully, with proof) and theorises about conspiracies (illegal acts involving multiple people towards one goal - usuallu making money). The pope possibly going to soup kitchens at night isn't that. Before I get downvoted to oblivion I hope people realise my only aim was to educate on a media soundbite that I think has been misrepresented to silence dissenters.
idwthis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:10:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get sometimes with some things people feel the need for pedantics.
But sometimes, like here, I don't understand why someone feels that need. Like, why not just let folks do their thing? Its not harming anyone, and really in this particular case, I'd say "conspiracy" does still fit.
Supposedly people conspired to cover up the fact the Dope Pope moonlights at soup kitchens. That's literally what any conspiracy is, people being conspiratorial about stuff.
Actually in the strict definition of the word it entails something illegal. What he said is simply a rumour. The fact Americans downvoted me for saying something that is 100% truthful (including their media brainwashing against "conspiracy theorists") shows just how little they've come since the propaganda of the Trump campaign, for shame.
Grocery stores move shit around all the time to keep you in the store longer. Not the basics like eggs, bread, and milk, the weird stuff like chia seeds, lemon juice, and tarter sauce.
This isn't a conspiracy. It's true. Even Costco does it. It's to get you to see more items in the store and is proven to make you spend more.
ePants ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 06:05:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy. It's true.
"Conspiracy" doesn't mean untrue. In fact, even "conspiracy theory" doesn't mean something is untrue; it just means it hasn't been proven, or that the person with the theory isn't aware that it's been proven true. Once proven, it's still a conspiracy, but no longer a theory.
It's a basic business practice. Just as placing breads/milk at the back of the store ( to make you walk past other stuff to get there. Increasing chance buying something else )
ePants ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must be a "bad" shopper; I get frustrated if I can't find what I came for where I expect it to be and I just leave and get it from a different store.
I usually just swear under my breath and then realise that I didn't actually need those things anyway.
Luckily the essentials stay in the same spot and it's just the luxuries that get moved around at my local store.
X-istenz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:08:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A "Conspiracy" just means two or more people are conspiring to accomplish something, outside common knowledge. It is by definition a "conspiracy", if you allow that the goings on in any corporate boardroom are outside common knowledge.
Kaelio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:27 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Costco end caps are sponsored and therefore the products switch weekly (typically Sundays) but sometimes even more often. The suppliers pay to have these items showcased and the result of movement creates a necessity to move products in the isle to match the somewhat strict product category requirements. Same brand, boxes versus bags, etc. Certain products can't be left beside each other as it violates their ideal appearance standards. 90% or more of Costco profit comes from memberships and not the products as they almost always break even or just above to keep prices as low as possible for the member. You've paid to enter, they don't care how long you are there.
tdt0005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:50 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why does Target allow you to search for where things are in the app? It keeps me from ever having to look for things again.
They also put impulse items at the tills and nearer to the doors, not unlike what Vegas does, keeping the shiny bright objects close to the door so you are drawn in like a moth to the flame.
Vendors will also pay for "prime" spots for short periods of time, also focusing on seasons, showcasing new items, etc. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, just good merchandising skills.
There are also several different algorithms which help merchandisers plan product placement. Cameras on the ceilings of big stores can track foot traffic throughout the store. Like you mentioned, vendors will pay for high foot-traffic areas, but only for short periods of time, because as things are moved and placed, high traffic areas can changed.
Additionally, there are algorithms that will determine items frequently purchased together based on databases full of the actual store's transactions. The most commonly used is called the apriori algorithm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apriori_algorithm
Itemsets, foot traffic areas, and new products/vendors all work in unison to create an ever-changing store-scape for merchandisers. It's actually pretty exciting to me, as a data scientist.
Why would it be by the lemons? Granted when I was a kid I seem to remember that's where they kept it. In the stores I shop in now it's down the juice isle.
That seems excessive. Probably got tired of people asking after they went where they thought it would be.
On a weird separate note. The Smith's I shop at didn't have limes 2 weeks ago. That blew my mind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where I shop, the lemon juice is in a couple different locations. There is lemon and lime juice in the produce section and they are in those plastic bottles that look like lemons and limes. The bottled juice is located with all the other juices in a completely different area.
MiniNuka ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:57:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to keep you in the store to make you go looking cause you might find something new you want to try
scothc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's also you you always go to the left when you walk in, and the shit everyone wants, frozen pizza, soda, chips, etc is waaaay in the other side. You gotta go through everything else to get there and hopefully you'll buy something extra
Fresh fruit & veg are always first in most supermarkets where I live (Ireland) -- I think it looks more appealing. I always start my shop feeling so healthy but by the end my basket has junk food piled on top. I mean, I earned with all my healthy purchases, right?
It's also that if you already have everything you need, you can buy what you want. If they put impulse stuff at the front, you'd think "I can't I have to buy X" and then never go back for it. Putting it up front means you already have it and you feel like you already did something healthy
hicow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:12:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People turn to the right on entry, which is why the produce and flowers and such are to the right. Otherwise, yes, although it's the 'staples' in the back - bread, milk, butter, etc. But if we're talking college-town grocery store, it'd be the frozen pizzas and Hot Pockets in the back.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:42:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys realize different stores are set up different way right? Some have right side entrances, some have left, some have center, a lot have both. Some have bakery on right, some have bakery on left, some have deli near front, some in back. Although it does seem pretty universal the essentials like produce, meats, dairy, and bakery tend to all be on opposite ends/corners.
hicow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes. What used to be my neighborhood grocery store had two entrances. Neither could you go immediately right...but both entrances more or less forced you through the produce section. It's almost universal in grocery stores that produce is up front. And it's nearly universal that stores, all stores, are laid out in a manner that reflects people's natural tendency to turn to the right on entry. But there will always be exceptions due to layout of the space or owners that haven't found that trick.
Elcyis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is interesting to me as now I'm thinking about it most stores where I'm from (Ireland) are set up to make you go left...are you from America?
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and that's funny you say that. While I was thinking about this yesterday, I started wondering if it was a universal human tendency or if it might be somehow cultural.
Yeah one of the Acme's near me starts you off on the right, going counter clockwise
X-istenz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:12:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys realize different stores are set up different way right?
You would be surprised! Regardless of where the means of ingress are located, you'll often find you're immediately funnelled one way or the other before actually encountering the stock. Yes, the actual layout might be flipped or rotated, but most of the "chain" retailers go out of their way to provide a near identical experience regardless of which branch you enter.
They will also sell those staples at near a loss if not an actual loss purely to compete with the other stores and bring you in -then all the way to the back of their store. You won't usually price compare taquitos, but damn I saved a bundle on milk!!
scothc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant turn right on entry, thanks for catching that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I think is odd is that many grocery stores sell plants. These plants are way more expensive than going to a big box store to buy them.
I used to work in a grocery store. Mine totally did this. They also kept the essentials like milk and eggs in the furthest corner of the store so you would have to walk past all the displays.
Another more important reason is that the milk stays is in the back where the loading dock is, so that it can go directly into the fridge without breaking the "cold chain" and risking contaminating the milk. Customers walking all the way through the store is a bonus.
In most stores milk is loaded into the cooling shelves from the front, so you have to wheel out a cart of milk out of the refrigerator, through half the store, to the cooling shelves, and load it. Same with frozen stuff.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is by design, but food safety also plays a role. They don't want to put the milk and eggs section somewhere that isn't easily accessible by the back so that they can ensure cold product spends as little time as possible on the floor.
Yup, it's true. There's a science behind organizing supermarket products in a store. For example, similar to what you said they place common item pairings often on opposite sides of the store, like keeping the ice cream far away from the chocolate syrup, and far away from the whipped cream. That way you have to walk past many other products first and something might catch your eye.
Also usually the more expensive name brand products are placed at eye level, while the cheap store brands are down close to the floor. And typically men on average will grab what's right in front of them at eye level, while on average more women will spend time to look around for the best deal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:34:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least the store I shop at has the chocolate syrup at the end aisle where the ice cream is. The whipped cream though isn't anywhere nearby.
i can confirm this conspiracy for you :~) i work at a very popular general store & when we reset, the goal is to keep you in the store longer & to make sure you see more of our product! cos see, if you knew where everything was all the time, you could just beeline through the store to get what you need & get out all the time. there'd be no impulse buying, no perusing or browsing, and that would be terrible for sales. a large chunk of profits comes from impulse buys & customers seeing one or two things that they hadn't noticed before, or hadn't realized they needed till they saw it. (plus, sometimes we move shit around to make sure our stores are being properly cared for. resets insure that prices are changed as needed, and it makes sure that products are stocked and rotated on schedule.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I make a list before I go to the grocery store and stick to it almost all of the time.
good for you! you're not the kind of person that sort of sales technique is designed for, then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it depends. The issue for me is that I don't have a lot of kitchen cabinet space to keep a bunch of items so I have to shop a few times a week and don't buy much. I stopped shopping at places like Walmart and Target and I order most other things online now. There were lots of years though when I did shop there and I did buy things I didn't intend to. Glad I saw the error of my ways.
butsuon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:57:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My local Wal-Mart, Target or Safeway haven't moved shit in 2 years. You might be on drugs.
My local Wal-Mart moves things according to the season (the seasons hot stuff is put at the front). Then they make a big move of things every year or two. It's so frustrating because right now they don't even have the aisles labeled properly. And none of the regular employees know where things are or are clearly annoyed that they have to help you. I only go at night now because there aren't many customers, the people stocking the shelves know where most everything is, and they're always friendly. The downside is that sometimes they're out of half of the things I need that late in the day....
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:31:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Talk about 'seasonal' items. I live in Florida. Last 'Fall' I was in Target looking to buy a pair of shorts but there weren't any. I asked an employee who was stocking shelves and she said all they had were winter clothes. It was 90 fucking degrees outside!!!! Winter clothes?????
We get into the 30s-40s occasionally. Those are scary days. I do love the heat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was raised in Florida and currently live in Florida. However, I've lived in Pennsylvania, Virginia and Montana so I know what cold is. Winter in Florida is just a nice cooling off period. lol. Highs are sometimes over 100 with 100% humidity. I hate it.
Dr_Dust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar thing happened to me years ago. February in the Midwest, went into a Wal-Mart to get some gloves and was informed they didn't have any left aside from a little two foot section that basically only had work gloves. Said they were starting to get in their spring stuff and didn't expect to be getting anymore winter gloves. Kinda sucks having to scrape ice and snow off of your car when there's a wind chill of -10 and you have no gloves.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:31:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. You probably could have ordered a pair from the Walmart here in Florida! lol. No one ever needs them but I have seen them in the store.
I've been using the same Publix since I moved to this city. The only time they move stuff around is when they put items up front for the clearance and seasonal sales.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only shop at Publix but the two stores in my town do move things around from time to time. It's annoying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the only time things really get moved in most cases is when there's a reset and items are pulled or added to the shelf, and sometimes it has to be reorganized. still stays in the same general section tho
Hi! Deli clerk here. Every once in a while we get a 'plan-o-gram' from corporate which means we have to change the position of everything in the case. We gotta move meats and cheeses, switch tags around, etc. It's a pain in the ass. So, if it makes you feel better, the people on the other side hate it too.
I don't mind shopping, it's all the morons in the store doing their shopping that get me. Sure, just leave your cart in the middle of the damn aisle. Sure, just come flying around blind corners like Mario fucking Andretti and get huffy with me when you almost crash into me. Sure, just strongarm your way in front of me to grab something off the shelf I'm trying to grab something from.
Going grocery shopping reminds me that Zamasu was right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:59 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stay out of places like Walmart and Target now and haven't been there in a long time. Most of the things I want I order online. I know what you mean though. I've experienced the same things in the past. People with their carts in the middle of the aisle, sometimes two carts blocking the aisle while the shoppers are standing there talking to each other. What pisses me off a lot is when adults let their kids push the carts. So many times I've watched little kids zoom around in the store knocking into things. I always feel like tripping them so they fall on their face.
Publix isn't bad, as long as it's not the first/third or Thurs/Fri (typical pay day)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:34 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of welfare recipients? I always go when they first open. I can't stand crowded stores and have huge anxiety about it. So at seven am I am usually the only customer in there.
That's true, but it's also because things are getting discontinued and new products come in. Where I worked the company had its own crew who went to different stores week to week. They were called The Reset Crew. I worked reset for 6 months. We also remodeled old stores and filled the shelves of new stores getting ready for their grand opening. Yeah though, items get totally rearranged so customers have to walk around and relearn where everything was. It didn't only piss off customers, but also regular employees because we'd work graveyard, so they'd come into their day shift to a totally different store than the day before. Had so many good times working reset and traveling though.
I mean we got all the photos and shelve length information from corporate too, but the store is open 6am to 11pm and we'd start at 10:30pm. We couldn't reset the store while it was open, too much going on, there's no way they could shop in peace. I only worked there though, I didn't make the rules, heh.
Similarly, they'll put necessities in the same aisle as the shit no one buys at a grocery store like shampoo so that you have to see it and maybe think huh, I need shampoo, might as well get it now. Source: used to work at one, verified strategy.
I absolutely hate it when they do this. It's always under the guise of making it seem like it's easier to find what you're looking for, or it'll be a great way for you to try new things. No, you're fucking with me. You moved the pasta from one end of the aisle to the other. What's the point of swapping where the frozen vegetables and ice cream are?
I've actually walked out frustrated before just to go to another supermarket instead. I might as well get to know the layout of a different store if I'm just going to be making like a one-legged cat trying to bury turds on a frozen pond trying to figure out where the hell they decided to move bread crumbs for literally no reason
Tortillas are never in a sensible place. There's always multiple brands scattered throughout the store, some with the bread, some with the ethnic food, mine keeps some in the fish section. There's no sense to it and every time I'm in a new store I never know where to look.
I know! My favorite tortilla brand has its own display that moves to a different part of the store every couple of months. The rest are by the taco seasoning and shells in the middle of the store.
Ziddix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this count for a conspiracy theory? It's pretty standard "marketing" practice. The most expensive items in a certain range are also easiest to reach in the shelves with the cheapest ones usually being all the way at the bottom so you have to sit on the floor to get them
Part of my job in a supermarket was to survey customers. By far and away the most common complaint was to get us to stop moving things around all the time. Another part of my job was to go to other branches and move everything around.
You know those amazing Red Lobster garlic cheesey biscuits? You can buy a box to make them yourself. I swear they're in a different place every god damn time I go.
Used to work in a grocery store, the most expensive brands are often at eye level - some companies pay good money to get priority spacing.
Food aimed at kids are often placed on the lower shelves so they'll see it and ask for it. Health conscious customers spend more time browsing so their products can placed in other poor performing spots unless it's Health Food store of course.
Special Offers are at the expense of the brand, not the supermarket.
See? That's my thought too, except last time I tried looking for it in the juice aisle, they only had lime juice, and no empty spaces where lemon juice would be if they had just run out. I JUST WANT THE FUCKING LEMON JUICE
when i worked at a liquor store my shithead boss made us move the white wine to the back of the store in the summer so people would have to walk past the red wine. Her idea was that if the white wine was up front no one would see the red wine and consider buying some. In a way it was a a good idea but in a larger way it was a stupid idea. In life you will find it common for managers to hatch hare brained ideas like this one. They do it so their bosses think they're clever but really they're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
I've never thought about this but I'm now certain that stores of the same chain have different layouts for this reason. There are two Safeways where I live and they are completely different. It confuses the shit out of me every time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It pisses me off when they do this because I have to find someone and ask them where a certain item is located.
I only buy lemon juice maybe once a year, and it's never where I remember it being last time. Same thing with chia seeds, the new Kroger that just went up got rid of the fancy healthy foods aisle, so I still don't know where those are supposed to be.
X-istenz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's half right, but it's not a "Conspiracy Theory" (except by the proper definition, I suppose). Items are moved according to seasonal variations, promotions, and popularity. It's not so much to "keep you in the store longer" (in fact a lot of the time they want you in and gone as swiftly as possible), but mostly to bring different items to your attention. It's not a mystery to be solved, it's an economic theory to be understood.
It's only done every few years - but people also shop in several stores and get confused. I used to get customers complaining that we kept changing the layout long before we ever did -- also some customers would try to return products we never sold insisting they got them here. (even rival store brands!)
The grocery store we go to rearranged their vegetable area recently. I'm almost certain this is why. People would come in and make a b line for what they need without looking around.
Khrull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Hy-Vee I got to in the town I live in literally does this ALL THE DAMN TIME. They move stuff around I swear once a week, and they do it even more in the Natural/Organic section of the store. It's infuriating. Plus their prices are retarded.
they do it 1 time a year or, maybe 2. its to make it seem more 'modern'. they don't do it so you walk around longer. if you have a house you should know you like to 'change things up'. its also a competition. maybe the other grocery story changed their flooring or glass casing for deli; they do it just to keep up with the times. they could also be in a very popular location but the site is outdated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd believe that. Or my grocery store puts the common stuff like eggs, bread, and milk in the back of the store so you have to walk through it, increasing the chance you will see other items to buy.
On top of that, dairy/eggs are always in the far opposite corner from the entrance to make you walk by as much as possible before getting to some of the most common items. Same with bread and produce on opposite sides
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one is actually true. If you come to the store during odd hours usually once or twice a year you'll have a group of people who's job is to literally take stuff off the shelves and move it somewhere else. Little mom and pop shops wont do it but I'm fairly certain it's standard practice for any big box store.
Studies found that when customers can't find what they're looking for they're more likely to buy more product, and buy product they might not have bought otherwise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you need to read White Noise by Don Delillo. Crucial scenes occur in the grocery when they reorganize the shelves.
Cashatoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must be the lamest shopper ever, or my grocery store is lazy. I have had the same grocery route for years. If a product moved I would lose my mind!
Worcestershire sauce always in a different spot. Hella frustrating when you ask an employee and they have to radio someone bc they, too, do not know where they're keeping it today
A agree with this one. I was in Aldi's the other day, and they had lemon juice next to crackers or something. Then again, everything is placed in strange places in that store.
actually, eggs are almost always found in the middle of the store, because it's the most regular temperature. At least in the UK, where we don't refrigerate eggs.
Game 2 of the 2009 NBA finals, Paul Pierce pooped his pants and covered it up by faking a knee injury. There's no way he hurt his knee so bad that he needed to be carried off the court, only to run back on the court minutes later and play like nothing happened. That and there was a noticeable brown spot on his pants before he went down.
EDIT: This was game 1 of the 2008 finals, I beefed up I'm sorry. He still very well may have pooped himself at some point in 2009, we just have no evidence.
Typically the basketball player will wear tights, but they have padding on the front of the thigh to help prevent thigh bruises
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 04:21:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those things are impossible to remove. Nearly cost LeBron a finals game, totally nothing to do with Bron being a no-clutch crybaby, compression shorts are just impossible to remove when the a/c goes out
[deleted] ยท 1621 points ยท Posted at 23:06:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did this theory first come about?
gs_up ยท 873 points ยท Posted at 23:29:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/NBA maybe? At least that's where I think I saw it the first time. Though I only saw it maybe in 2012, so I could be wrong.
querius ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 02:31:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would he step out on the floor with that stain, though? If I sharted or pooped myself, the first thing I'm doing is checking my pants, especially if they're white.
The video does look convincing, but that's the only thing I don't understand.
The stain wasn't there when he was standing at the timekeepers table waiting to come back in. He probably got new shorts since they have many but compression shorts underneath were probably done for the night and stuff was still leaking out as he played. Mixed with sweat.
Edit: i read the rest of the comments and it seems that the stain was in a different game. I don't follow basketball.
If true, it's funny that he faked an injury to cover up for the fact that he pooped himself and kept playing. The really impressive part isn't that he came back out again after an alleged injury, but that he wanted to play so badly that he stayed in the game long enough to take care of business after sharting himself. That is the true dedication.
Tl;dr he covered up the true heroics by pretending he had a knee injury. A man who stays on the court after shitting himself in the finals is far more impressive than a man who sprained his knee and came back out again
Did he though? After a poop I can't really function for about 10 minutes, which is the time it takes my insides to readjust to the new empty space and stretch out a bit, get some blood flowing etc. I guess that makes him an athlete and me an office worker
SmokePot ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 06:00:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just the blood returning to your legs after you've been getting paid to read Reddit on the toilet for half an hour.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The struggle is real. Although for me guilt usually sets in at about the 15-20 minute point.
Good theory...except the fact that the injury you are talking about occurred in game 1 the the finals, whereas the "poop" stain occurs in game 2, as you stated
I didn't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but I think 1 of 2 things happened here: He either wore the same shorts after game 1, or pooped himself again game 2. The former sounds highly unlikely so I'm actually under the belief he pooped himself twice.
The Ringer published that article. It's run by Bill Simmons, a well known Boston Sports homer. I simply can't trust that the article was unbiased.
jd_beats ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:27:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... you can decide the conclusion for yourself, but there is plenty of photographic and video evidence that there is no poop stain, which is basically the only thing holding the theory up. After that, it's choosing which option is more likely:
1) Paul Pierce felt pain in his knee and thought that he tore a ligament - and reacted accordingly - until the pain subsided and he felt he could return to the game. (Probably even played up the pain thinking a return would fire up the crowd).
2) Paul Pierce pooped his pants and/or had to poop in the middle of a game, and instead of asking to come out of the game when the urge got severe, he let it go until he couldn't hold it and thus had to pretend to get injured so he could leave the court, finish his business, clean up, change shorts, and return to the game.
Option 1 screams Paul Pierce and Option 2 does not.
It can be a combination of both. Pooped a lil bit; the fall looked more like a flop than him trying to avoid injury and it didn't look serious at all. Went back to the lockers, finished pooping and then came back with clean shorts and undies.
as a basketball player and a man, the one single greatest pain i have ever felt in my existence was when someones knee hit the inside of my knee in the right spot at the right angle. Could not move for 4 minutes and just layed in pain on the court but 7 minutes later i was completely fine. So, just my experience.
Reminds me of Gary Lineker, an English footballer-now-TV presenter who did famously poo himself on the pitch when he went for a header. https://youtu.be/9t_8pfbCH-4
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:11:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahaha this is great
Hardyng ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:03:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that brown stain is from a different game in the series...
OMG! That could have been a classic of college sports if when he landed a turd slipped out of his shorts onto the court.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's almost a tongue twister. Paul Pierce pooped a pair of pretty pants. A pair of pretty pants, Paul Pierce pooped. If Paul Pierce pooped a pair of pretty pants, how many pretty pants did Paul Pierce poop?
Plz give 20 minute presentation to Reddit on the dangers of having inaccurate info on your conspiracy theories. And for the love of god talk into the mic.
This seems plausible. I did basically the same thing in my 8th grade basketball game, but I pretended it was a issue with my contacts then came back a few minutes later after fixing my "eye".
Damn thats crazy, but seriously who takes a shit in a high pressure situation.
Side note: thisnis what I fear the most in Judo. Just befor tatchywaza I always take a piss. Never want to get knocked out, or choked out and piss my pants on the matts. Real fear
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my #2 favorite conspiracy theory.
Bad joke? Eh, I'll just flush it then.
fatpads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advert for magnum ice cream with a gooey chocolate centre was....uncomfortable before that video.
It's not uncommon for that to happen to athletes. They're in situations where they can't come out. Plus add in the intensity of the sport and people sometimes have unplanned BMs. Also Roberto Luongo, I think, once had to shit so he got pulled from the game. It was between periods iirc and they put in the number 2 goalie after the period because no 1 was dealing with a severe no 2.
The US Postal Service is using algorithms to estimate the tracking of packages instead of reliably scanning the packages that have tracking/delivery confirmation.
Why? Because in the past three months I've had packages arrive in my mailbox a week after they said they were delivered. As a seller I've had customer's packages with delivery confirmation show as delivered that didn't arrive until days later.
This absolutely sucks for consumers who don't get their package but have no course of action because the PO says it has been delivered.
This happened to me and I was told by an Amazon employee that sometimes, the delivery drivers will mark the package as delivered, so as not to screw up their route.
As somebody who does Amazon Flex a bit, they recently updated the app to fix this. Now if you select a package out of order in the route it will actually go to the next package AFTER that and continue the route, rather than constantly suggesting you try delivering the first one. For example, if you had 5 packages and had an issue with 2, so you selected 3 as the next delivery, previously once 3 was delivered it would have then routed you to 2. Now it routes you to 4.
Of course, what you're SUPPOSED to do when you have an issue with 2 is report that issue through the app. There's a structure for this shit, but because we're all just random idiots doing it through an app there's not much quality control on who's delivering your packages, no interview process or resume submission or anything. Just a background check to make sure you've never driven drunk or something.
I am happy about that recent update to delivering and honestly like the fact that if we deliver to the front door that we have to take a picture of the package.
Personally I'm glad.
That's a thing now? Guess they are going to stop helping people out who have packages walk off shortly after being delivered. They should start offering reliable package containers that are not horrible to look at. So that you could install a box that they can be left in through a one way trap door or something.
It isn't going to stop all theft, it is just another way to ensure accountability. Yes, someone can walk off with your package. Yes, the driver themselves could steal your package. But those problems already existed. Now, the driver at least has to come to your door and place the package down instead of just marking it delivered.
And if you are that worried, have you looked into the Amazon lockers? Just have the package delivered there and pick up on your way home from work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So uh, what if the delivery person takes the package immediately after snapping the picture? Or is this just supposed to force people to lay the packets down properly?
Of course, what you're SUPPOSED to do when you have an issue with 2 is report that issue through the app.
As AMZL driver support, dear god, please do this when you have a problem. Don't call me at the end of the route because you delivered a package 3 hours ago to Jim Bob and it didn't let you mark as delivered.
I do Amazon Flex, and I end up doing it once, maybe twice a week. I also drive Uber, and I have a regular full-time desk job. Gig economy, yo.
vanewho ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:45:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's amazon flex? Im looking into gigs (besides Uber) for some extra cash.
omendamo ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:53:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow Flex driver. Before you get too excited, google it and check it's in your area. If it is, then you tell the app when you're free (and can update it anytime) and you get 'blocks' 2/4 hours long reserved to you, as /u/beef_wieners mentions it's probably likely you'll only get 1-2 a week. You can then also refresh the app at anytime to see if there are any more unreserved blocks are free (usually snapped up VERY fast so you have to refresh a lot). It's self employed and no fuel reimbursment. If you're UK based its ยฃ12-ยฃ15 a hour and fuel usually isn't too expensive. It's an easy money earner but not very reliable, I haven't been able to pick up anything for 2 weeks.
Is all that really worth it when you get only a couple hours a week?
omendamo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:13:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is for a bit on the side. I work full time at my main job, so to have a bit on the side that I can choose the hours I want is appealing. I can also take my kids along for the ride and they love going to 'work' and cranking the radio up. I am yet to find a job where I choose when I work, can work different hours every week without commitment and can take my children. That said I would not reccomend it for anyones sole income as it's not stable enough!
Good for you mate. This "why bother" attitude is entirely the wrong mindset imo.
ipdar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You also get such perks as worrying about finding a parking spot while making deliveries. Or even picking up deliveries. From a warehouse. That amazon owns.
On the other plus points you get a crappy navigation app that doesn't know what streets are closed for construction, or have been modified to not be streets anymore, or even were always a one way. Then it will send you down an extra block that you don't need or will send you down low speed back roads to try and make it more confusing to get anywhere.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 00:45:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Noooo those are evil, sold to you by evil commie Democrats. You need to work more, by the way. The boss wants you to come in all weekend for no extra pay, but we do need you.
It's 2017. The only people benefiting from unions are union bosses. Check their pension funds-- union leadership pension funds are full, membership funds are empty. They aren't fighting for you, they're convincing you to fight for them.
I'm pro-union in general, but the last thing I want is a union job. I drive for Uber/Lyft because I can do it whenever and for however long I want. Bring unions into that and then all of a sudden I have a schedule and hours, fuck that shit.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like I said, pro-union. I'm not the one who suggested one was needed here, just the opposite. My point was if there were unions involved I would have to be an employee, which is the last fucking thing I want.
you're also on your own and are screwed if it's not busy or they decide to use different delivery methods
You're right, I am on my own. But I'm not screwed if things change because I'm prepared for them to change at any minute. As everyone should be, contractor or 20 year full time employee.
Amazon contractor here, i work for a company that runs the night pallets out of BFI5 and i know the drivers that will not be to their stop yet and press delivered on their phone to save their ass being late and no to get in trouble with their manager.
ZombyTed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:45:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, thank all the deities.
There may have been some overly loud cursing in a few residential neighborhoods under the old version.
I recently bought something and chose same day shipping on Amazon. Two days later and it hasn't even been out for delivery yet. Is this a common thing?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was in stock. The shipping info hasn't been updated since the first day and it ended with the carrier (Amazon) receiving it. It's been 32+ hours since then and no further updates.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:31:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing against you, but this comment makes me dream of the future when drones deliver my packages.
Morineko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually really hate when my stuff is delivered via Amazon drivers. I live in a gated complex, and it creeps me out when people tailgate into the property, but also, 98% of the time, the drivers cannot seem to figure out the visitor phone at the gate, so I'll just get a 'cannot be delivered, locked gate' message.
logoth ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:24:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of our amazon local drivers mark shit as delivered as soon as they pull into the apartment complex. Then they can't find my building because the giant letter is hidden behind a tree (and our office doesn't take packages).
I've had packages: end up in limbo; end up on the porch of the apt complex office; end up at another person's door (who, at least once, took it to the office saying "this isn't mine").
The only way they'd actually get fired is if they kept or threw away the packages. Putting them off until they have something else going there will get them maybe a verbal warning. And that's assuming anyone even makes a complaint to the postmaster. And assuming the postmaster follows up on it (he won't).
I once found a package inside my car. The mailman had opened my goddamned car and left a package in the passenger seat. It said delivered and I was looking everywhere for it, and I didn't drive anywhere that weekend, so when I found it on Monday I was pretty surprised and pissed.
I had empty Amazon Fresh bags sitting on my porch for a week before the mailman picked them up, too. He delivered three packages on three different days to my house and left them next to the bags, but didn't take the bags.
I've watched them toss boxes from 20+ feet away onto my porch. When I opened the door and said "hey" they just walked away like I didn't exist.
This happened to me once from Fedex. The guy forged my name to leave packages in the apartment complex office I was helping manage even though I wasnโt there. We were at lunch or something. He was trying to save time, and apparently was going to bring everything in the next day. But before that could happen a resident came in asking for a package saying I signed for it. I hadnโt, and we didnโt have it. The resident showed me on his phone where Iโd signed.
I called Fedex and reported it. We learned later from the UPS guy that the Fedex guy got fired over it. Good riddance.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:35:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BradWI ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:28:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you can sign up for USPS informed delivery which sends you an email every morning with a picture scan of each mail piece arriving today. However it doesn't work with packages quite yet.
Amazon doesn't always use USPS though (especially outside of the US lol). So what they mentioned may have been unrelated to what you're talking about
delecti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
USPS isn't the only carrier that has that problem. I've heard it quite a bit about OnTrac and Amazon's own delivery company ("AMZL", Amazon Logistics). In fact I hadn't previously heard about it happening with USPS.
omyn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:04:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this not considered fraud?
Atleast the companies selling and mailing through said postal service should be pressuring them to do their damn job more precisely...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work for a third-party Amazon seller and this is what I tell my customers with this problem. Partly because their Amazon-generated estimated delivery date has not been reached yet so its not my problem yet.
But mostly because I dont know where the fuck the package is because I'm not fucking delivering it myself like some people think and customers demand to know why this happens so I make some shit up. Seems to work.
Literally saw a delivery driver scribble something on his PDA as a "signature" and throw a 200 euro phone in the neighbours doorway.
I'm glad I'm on good terms with them and I happened to be outside when it got delivered. But for all I know they could've knicked that phone and I would've been none the wiser.
Can confirm, my mom is a post master and my dad is a post carrier, some carriers scan early to avoid getting in troubles.
Matt081 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:48:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is how I came to get my Wii U for free. My Prime Now delivery window was 8PM TO 10PM. I can track the gps of the driver. She was 10 miles away at the same spot for over an hour when she marked it as delivered exactly at 10PM. My wife and I each called to complain and the thing finally showed up around 11 delivered by a very stoned driver.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Matt081 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:23:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When we complained, Amazon customer service gave us the delivery for free.
Sometimes you just have a shitty mailman. Last place I lived- mail sucked. My new location it's great though!
swizzler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is right as my USPS orders will show delivered right after they drive away from my door. I think the problem is shitty drivers that know they won't get fired, not a shitty system.
I always assume that's what it it is. It's happened to me several times that a package will be marked delivered at the very end of the day and I'll receive the notification from Amazon, but the box w9nt actually show up on my porch until the next morning. I'd always assumed it was the local delivery guy lying about finishing his deliveries on time to save himself from getting dinged for falling behind, and then catching up the next morning
DialMMM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sometimes
LOL!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:29:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a $3k WalMart.com order refunded because the product was defective. It sat on a pallet waiting for two weeks. Then I got re-charged the full amount. After a bit of digging I found that the driver had marked the package picked up, so when it never showed up at the distribution center they flagged it as stolen.
I was waiting the whole of yesterday for an important package, only to get a message through the track and trace app (DPD, not amazon) that no one was home and the driver left a note. That never happend. Neighbours hadn't seen shit either. I think it's very plausible that they just mark off some packages when they are behind on schedule. It was marked off an hour after he should have delivered and when I called DPD, half an hour later, they said it was to late now for the driver to turn back. In short, DPD sucks, they fake delivery attempts.
This is what I figured too. My USPS guy marks things as delivered then they show up the next day. Especially on Saturdays when I just assume he doesnโt feel like doing his job.
I think itโs more so he doesnโt get in trouble than anything.
Dephyus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work for USPS. Can confirm. Will sometime scan packages as delivered then deliver them the next day if your house is too far away or it won't fit in the box. You fuckers order some heavy shit.
EDIT: Just in case this comment goes tits up, Yes I was joking. BUT this does really happen with some of the more senior carriers. If they don't feel like carrying it, they will scan it delivered and wait for you to come get it. It's tolerated less now, but it still happens. It never hurts to call your local PO.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:20:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dephyus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:42:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Please call customer service. To be truthful, a lot of carriers do their job quite well and managers want nothing more than to not deal with customers. Carriers will deliver your package to the best of their abilities, but managers could give a shit less about you or your package. They get paid salary. They have their own union. I mean, for fucks sake, there was a recent post master who harassed a score of women. Instead of fire him, they moved him to a different sector of the service. They couldn't give a fuck. So call them, have them do their jobs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:11:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dephyus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now hold on. Unions do a lot of good too. They are like welfare. You pay for it. You use it when you really need it. But it is abused constantly. At least for me, I was in an accident involving my postal vehicle. Management tried to say it was my fault, it was intentional, that I had been drinking on the job and I should be fired. Their logic? I delivered to a bar, so I got drunk and crashed my rig. Union set that shit straight.
But, there are people who know the system so well they call pull shit off for years and never get in any hot water.
It was works well till it doesn't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dephyus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:38 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a story from Canada the other day where the delivery driver showed up and left a card, when the owner flagged him down he didn't even have the package with him.
Yup, I work for a really large ecommerce company. It is very common (or at least that's what I was told) for drivers to "bulk scan" all the packages in their trucks (basically scanning a label that encompasses all of the packages on their delivery), in which case, the item shows delivered before it actually is.
Or, drivers do the opposite and don't scan anything until the end of the day, then they bulk scan once it's all been delivered.
Or they don't deliver it all.
Or they deliver to the wrong place.
And sometimes, they'll deliver an empty box.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize what happened there right? You called and asked if they had it and they pulled it for you to pick it up. The carrier would have been told that and it was waiting in the office for you to get it.
As a USPS mailman, I can confirm that this is not true. At least not in my area. Packages arrive in the morning, sometimes in the afternoon, and are scanned by a machine that then tells the clerk which route the package is to be delivered on. So, essentially there are carts for each route, and the person scanning in the packages puts each package into the correct cart. This is when its scanned as "Out for delivery". The mailmen then have to scan the package as "Delivered" or "Attempted" once we arrive at the destination.
It's probably true that some drivers are 'lazy' and don't deliver packages, especially ones that require a signature, but that doesn't happen at my post office, or at least as far as I know. I don't think many people realize that we sort all of the mail and packages ourselves before we hit the road. Personally, my route has ~650 addresses to deliver to. Each address, on a Monday, probably gets 7-10 pieces of mail on average. Not counting the businesses that get significantly more. So that's like ~5000 pieces of mail that I'm placing with my own hands into a spot on the case that matches the address. We then have to sort packages out, which last Monday I had 150. So we sort the mail by hand, and then sort packages by hand, and then load them into the truck so that they are perfectly organized for delivery. Then we deliver all of the mail ourselves which involves sorting through the mail for each address and paying attention to packages all while driving. It's not an easy job by any means. There is a reason why the turnover rate is ~75% on a job that pays $17+ an hour for entry level. Honestly, I'd even say the turnover rate is higher than that even.
Any ways, I'm tired, but I just wanted to share some insight into the process behind mail delivery. TL:DR, it's not an easy job
Jesus Christ dude. All I said was that my package wasn't delivered when the tracking said it would be. What about that makes you think I buy into some conspiracy? How about you sling some of that shit to the guy who said it in the first place?
As a former FedEx courier, I admit I would fuck up sometimes with my scans, but it is something I can fix within an hour (or next day worst case scenario), not come back a week later with it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing like your afternoon library bathroom breaks in the glorious AC
A USPS carrier has mailbox privileges, a smaller area to cover, and very little tracked packages. The point is we are talking about tracked packages, and there is no excuse for delivering a package a whole week later than what the scan says.
Emburgh ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:07:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While certain scans are system generated (typically the "your package has departed/arrived from XXXXXX facility"), delivery scans are absolutely NOT based on an "algorithm". You're giving us too much credit lol. Like others have said, either the carrier misdelivered your package which, if the cell service is bad for the carrier's scanner, is possible, or they pre-scanned your package and didn't deliver it because they most likely weren't going to be able to deliver your package that day due to a handful of different delay possibilities. Delivery scans are how we measure if your package was delivered on time, so if a package is going to be late, carriers may pre-scan them, then deliver them the next day. This is ABSOLUTELY not how they are told to do things. It's just a workaround in the system.
Source: Plant engineer/scanning specialist for USPS
Question about USPS tracking: I've got a package that's bounced back and forth between two cities in the US for a full week now, maybe 10 or more times, with no indication of the loop of stopping. What's likely happening here?
You'll have better luck asking questions at /r/usps
Emburgh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple things can cause a package to loop. If the package has two labels on it (meaning the package was reused and there are two labels exposed, one old and your current one) that can cause it to loop. If the address/barcode on the package is damaged it can cause a loop. Those are the more common issues, but there's a handful of issues that could be causing the looping.
Do you have the tracking number? I can call the plants that it's looping at and tell them to pull the package out next time it hits one of their sorting machines. PM me if you have it.
katrilli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incorrect addressing most likely, or you've got a forwarding loop going on. Call your post office and talk to them? They can help you more than strangers on the internet can. And for the love of God please please please have your tracking number when you call.
Emburgh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a pretty cool video explaining generally how your mail is shipped and delivered.
Is it true that packages are "bundled" rather than individually scanned at certain points, such that if a package comes out of the bundle for some reason, the tracking reflects where the bundle is, and not the individual package?
I mean, the package may be scanned in individually at some points, but once it's in a bundle, there's no reason to scan it individually. But that doesn't stop it from being separated from the bundle by accident, misleading anyone who attempts to track it.
Emburgh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on what part of the process the package is in. We'll sort packages into sacks, but the packages are scanned to that sack so you can track the sack as a whole, thus tracking each package. Sacks are tied before they're put into a bigger container, so very rarely will a package fall out. So yes, technically your package is "bundled" with other ones, but that's purely for transporting from plant to plant, plant to post office, etc. Once the sack is emptied onto a sorting machine or sent to a post office, the package will be individually scanned either by a person with a scanner, or on a sorting machine.
This isn't hurting the process or hindering your tracking ability, as an FYI.
katrilli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not op but... Kind of? When I receive a package to go out I scan it accepted. Then when I do dispatch, I scan one barcode which then tells the tracking system that it's been dispatched. When I receive packages to be delivered, I have to scan each one individually as arrival at unit, then each one either delivered or attempted before the end of the day or I'll get a call from my supervisor about it.
Rorynne ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:03:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive notced this happens MORE when the package changes hand between delivery services. Like DHL to USPS
That could be the case, especially if the drop-off delivery agency is using "last mile" service, such as UPS, Fed-Ex, and DHL. Those often come after the carriers have left for their routes, and are delayed until the next day.
I've not heard of a package being delivered a week after it's delivery scan, though. And they use live tracking, at least at the point of delivery. The postal service has gotten much more strict in their policies for scanning on time, not in the office. The goal is to get much more accurate in their tracking, because let's face it, USPS makes their money off of parcel delivery these days, standard and first class postage wouldn't even keep the lights on.
katrilli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. We receive last mile packages around 12:30. The carrier is long gone by then, so they don't get scanned until the next day to avoid a failure on our record. It would be impossible to deliver them that day.
Because of my previous job (CS rep), I've had to deal with a lot of shit because of that tracking issue and I tell you, it's every mail service. USPS is just the worst offender. A buddy of mine lived in the US for some years and knew that many times they just a) scan it as delivered before leaving for the route, so as to not be scolded for late delivery if they don't make it for ETA or b) they mark it as delivered even if they lost it so that they don't get shit on for losing it.
I have a freight forwarder address in the US so I can shop there and this gives me so many headaches. This and the dreaded "available for pickup", sure, lemme jump in a plane, be there in 10 hours if I can find one.
Edit: Tweaked, because I always mess up reddit formatting.
So, I'm a postal carrier and we have to scan each and every package we're in possession of upon delivery. When packages enter our office the clerks scan them in, which also takes a pic of the item, then we scan them delivered in the field. If we miss scans, management knows and we have to account for the item.
All this being said, it's still almost guaranteed you'll encounter a fuck up every now and then. You're regular is off and a brand new carrier is on route, package may be scanned delivered but it may be the wrong address, maybe your neighborhood uses the sane house numbers on every street. That can be fixed with the fact our scanners gps tag the act of scanning said package, if it's misdelivered we can normally be told where.
For Amazon in particular though, at least in my area where thru built a new facility, Amazon has hired its own force of delivery people so that could also be the disconnect in service. We do still deliver Amazon, as well as UPS and FedEx, but any we touch will have a new label with "USPS Tracking Number" on it. I don't know how Amazon proper is handling their delivery service but that may be the algorithm you mentioned.
In closing, the USPS can and will fuck up at some point but their are safeguards for the consumers. Be nice to your mail person and tip at Christmas haha!
I own an eBay business and ship thousands of items each year. This isn't even close to true for me.
USPS has been absolutely amazing for my business, though expensive. I have never had a single lost shipment in the United States with over 10,000 deliveries.
I have a .33% late shipment rate, none of which have been the USPS fault.
There have been two cases where a mailman marked the shipment delivered and never actually delivered the item that day. But the item was delivered the next day. I assume it's because they were lazy and wanted to go home.
I'm right there with you. I ship a few hundred every year via USPS, and have had mostly good experiences.
My only exception would be for trying to claim insurance on those rare occasions that a "covered" item disappears. USPS insurance never pays out in my experience. There's always some sort of exception they will find.
katrilli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use myusps so I get an email at MOST of the tracking updates. Just today my carrier knocked on my door, handed me my package, and then when I got back to my desk i got the "delivered" notification in my email. I'd say you've just had bad luck with shitty mail-carriers.
Yeah, I do the opposite. Since package handlers rarely even bother knocking (instead just leaving the package at the door) I just refresh the package tracking periodically and multiple times I've seen it change to delivered and I see the truck pulling away by the time I get to the door or a window.
jups2709 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:04:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had my mail carrier banging down my door the other day because she'd delivered a package but forgot to scan it. I mean she rang the doorbell several times and beat on the door for a few minutes. I was getting out of the shower so I couldn't run to the door right away. Anyway I think that goes against your theory but supports the unfortunate reality that some of the carriers are just lazy, rushing, or messing up some other way.
You're on to something here. I've been ripped off 3 times now because USPS shows my package as delivered but I've never revived it.
In one case, the carrier admitted that he scanned it before starting his route then realized he lost it by the time he got to me. They still refused to change it so tracking showed it as delivered so I paid for something, never got it and couldn't get a refund.
I didn't think of it at the time because I was so busy fighting with my local post office but that's a great suggestion and anyone who has a similar experience should do that!
The truth is much more sad than the conspiracy. They are just a poorly managed government 'service'. I'm pretty sure the only well managed government 'service' is the IRS.
It's not a government service. It's a company owned by the government, same with Amtrak, and its fully funded by the sale of stamps, not taxes. It was also forced by Congress in 2006 (postal accountability and enforcement act) that within 10 years the United States Postal Service would have to fully fund retirement health care benefits for the next 75 years. This forced the USPS to run in the red for a few years because they had put money aside for to cover employees that weren't even born yet. That has come and gone and now we are seeing an improvement in services.
Edit: Clarified, Amtrak is government owned company, but not funded by stamps
robotnel ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:26:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if only Congress would stop trying to force the USPS to make terrible business decisions, which even after doing so the service and company still manage to get it mostly right. The idea is that if they force not just unreasonable but completely unrealistic expectations onto the USPS, then they can justify that the private market can do a better job than the government.
It's almost as if some services should be provided for the public good and be funded by taxes, because not all things good for society are profitable...
My understanding is the end goal is to render the USPS unable to compete with private services like UPS and FedEx. It's the unsurprisingly common tactic of starving federal services (even though the USPS isn't "100% federal"), then pointing out how awful it is so the obvious solution... privatization, and thus profits.
Please tell me that you're saying that Amtrak is owned by a corporation where the government is the majority stockholder, and you're not suggesting that it's fully funded by ticket sales, etc.
In FY 2016, Amtrak earned approximately $3.2 billion in revenue and incurred approximately $4.3 billion in capital and operating expense. No country in the world operates a passenger rail system without some form of public support for capital costs and/or operating expenses.
During its more than 40-year tenure, the rail service has received over $45 billion in taxpayer dollars. Yet Amtrak has run operating losses every year since its inception in 1971. For over a decade, 41 of its 44 routes have remained unprofitable. In 2014 alone, its loses totaled roughly $1.1 billion.
The USPS is not a government service anymore. They still have some special rights from when they were though
Yunknow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irs is a fucking joke
abqkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain why you believe that this is? As an accountant, I am always interested in hearing people's take and opinion on the IRS
Yunknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still haven't received my 2015 tax return of just over $900. I have spent hours upon hours on the phone with them, getting put on hold, getting transferred here and there. I've been told something different by every person I've talked to there.. ID needs to be confirmed, employer didnt turn in my w2, it was deposited to a bank and then taken back, etc. I've confirmed my ID and my employer resubmitted my w2. They've told me 5 different times they will send me a letter in the mail within 45 days. Ive recieved 2 letters, one said my money was on the way, then another that said nevermind your account is still under review. I talked to taxpayer advocate and they said the only way they will speed up the process is if i turn in an eviction notice from my apartment! I even made an appointment to go to my local irs office. I sat in the waiting room for an hour. The guard there actually asked me what I needed my money for, apparently "because it's my money" was not the correct answer. They told me the computers were down and I would have to reschedule. I've been working tirelessly for 2 years trying to get my tax return with absolutely no success.
My package was delivered, but I didn't have it. I called and the lady asked my address, when told her she apologized and told me it was delivered at my neighbor's address across the street. This happened to be where my mailbox was. Found out the GPS told her this. My package was in the 2nd mailbox, not mine.
City carrier for USPS here. I can only speak reliably for what happens when it hits your post office.
Clerk will scan it received at the office, and depending on what time it got there, it'll go out either that day (if it was early in the morning) or the next (if it arrived after we departed to our routes).
So there's a lot of pressure to deliver everything that day. Like, a lot. Like, it's a law a lot.
But depending on what kind of route you live on, there could be anywhere from 80-100 packages your carrier has to work through, and we don't get a list. We just load our trucks in order as best we can.
So they will scan it delivered once they figure out that they missed it.
It's super ridiculous that they are taking a week to properly deliver it though.
Also, I do know first-hand that the delivery scans are accurately time stamped. I used to live on my own route, and would get a notification when I scanned something that i had ordered sent to my email about 15 minutes after the scan.
I worked as an assistant rural carrier this spring. The delivery/gps device is usually accurate but does a terrible job figuring out streets if a house can be be accessed on both sides. Sometimes id run through the scanner and accidentally say delivered and walk to the wrong house then figure it out later. It's possible the service in you area is so bad that people are bringing packages back to the office if the house isnt found. Then are put out for redelivery later.
This happened with my french press on Amazon. I notified the seller that it was indeed NOT delivered, and they sent another, free of charge & no questions asked. Then a second press shows up in the mail 2 days after the first one (which was just a day late).
That's weird. I never get a delivery confirmation until they scan it. Actually, the mail lady told me she expects to see me a few minutes later whenever she scans my package.
I've had this happen to me twice. I called my local post office, and they claimed it was delivered. I received the one item a week later and the other almost an entire year late. It was dusty, so I assume it fell behind something and it was only found after cleaning.
If they are using an algorithm, the definition is that it is meant to solve a problem (not create one). Yelp continually calls me to advertise with them, saying that their "algorithm" removes my good reviews. Algorithm is a fancy word to few, but they use it as a "set of rules".
They still keep calling me.
I've had about 25 different "account reps" in the past 2 years. Churn and burn, just like Uber.
This happens to me all the time. UPS and FedEx delivery notifications are usually minutes after delivery. USPS notifications are a joke, sometimes days before I get the package.
I think you might just have a shitty local USPS. I get packages all the time and am almost always home when the mail comes. I'm also signed up to receive text message updates for packages coming to my address. The moment I receive a text saying a package was delivered I can look out my window and see the mail truck still at my mail box, every time.
Former USPS Letter Carrier here. If we missed a package that day, management would tell us to scan it as delivered anyway. It looked bad when the higher ups saw that we had undelivered packages, so everything just got scanned as delivered.
I got a "no safe place for delivery" pick up slip in my mailbox for an item that had long since been delivered, but the carrier couldn't find the package and since it was already marked as "delivered", she was afraid she had lost it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes the new guys scan it as delivered and sneak it to you over the next couple of days
It's clearly a bunch of employees on multiple levels trying the fudge their numbers.
In the past few months I've had the opposite problem. Packages have arrived days before they're even marked as shipped, or get marked as shipped the day before they arrive even though I'm using the standard 5 day shipping option.
Canada post claimed to have tried to deliver a package to my house while I was there, they claimed no one was home. The slip that they leave wasn't left on the door, it was put in our mailbox. I went to the kiosk they have to pick it up the next day and they couldn't find it, i had to visit them 2 days after the slip was left in our mailbox before they found it, and they were about to send me home empty handed claiming they couldn't find it when I started complaining and they looked again.
Canada post is ruining the regular unprofitable postal service in order to drive business to their more profitable subsidiary: Purolator.
Dephyus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For reals though, as a USPS employee, I truly believe they go by the bar code. They just scan it as delivered, then promptly lose it. Only to find it days later. It happens to me once a week.
Also, no course of action is a little extreme. The scanners we use to scan packages are super accurate GPS'. You would think it's so they can pin point where your package was scanned (which they can,) but it mostly to track employees and make sure our lunches don't go one minute over. The scanners are so accurate, they can track within a 20 foot radius of the scan point. Those scanners update location details and package links every 45 seconds. They are tracked in major hubs using giant monitors cycling through every carrier in 5 minute intervals.
And yet, they still fuck it up and lose packages. All the fucking time.
We had packages "delivered", only to show up later. Turns out our mail carrier was stealing mail and would only deliver the packages after confronted. We had no clue until we got a letter from the OIG that our mail was involved in her thievery, along with news stories documenting her nonsense. My dog hated that raggedy old bag...I should've known he was warning us.
gsfgf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon uses USPS for last mile in my city. I usually get a delivery text within minutes. It's not unusual for me to get a delivery text in time to meet the mail carrier at the door to get my package without them knocking.
That isn't because of algos. That's because of employees illegally scanning your delivery before its actually delivered for whatever reason, probably because they are frequently late and their managers are getting upset. There is also the less likely possibility that, if your package requires no signature, they're selectively stealing packages.
For the postal service, if it says delivered the scan locks in a GPS coordinate as to where it was delivered to. We can see these when we look up the tracking number on our side. They are pretty darn accurate. There are some hiccups like if you have group boxes the GPS scan will be there and not your house. International tracking numbers don't lock the GPS coordinate. If you are having problems with a package saying it's delivered and it's not check with your post office, that shouldn't be happening. I worked in an office with great carriers who were honest and did everything they could to get packages where they are going, but I know some people are feeling the pressure and may be doing things like scanning things in their trucks or manually inputting them on the office. The GPS will show those instances though, and if it keeps happening you should definitely talk to a supervisor or the post master.
Source: postal worker.
Khcorum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just recently had a USPS Priority Mail package get lost in the mail, and the tracking info said it was delivered. Neighbors didn't get it, the post office couldn't find it, and they didn't really make an effort to look for it. I visited the post office in person twice and called repeatedly. They all told me they would check with the driver that was on the route that day and call me back. No one ever called back. Luckily my vendor on eBay was top notch and sent me a replacement via UPS.
This definitely happens. Last week I had a package marked delivered and the tracking said it was put in my mailbox. I checked my surveillance footage, which has a clear shot of my mailbox, and nothing was delivered. Showed up the next day. It's really annoying because I live in a shitty neighborhood and have had packages stolen, which is why I installed cameras to begin with.
I'm pretty sure the Australia Post guys just fill out a bunch of missed delivery cards beforehand, because it's much faster to distribute those into an apartment complex's mailboxes then drop all the packages off at the post office for collection. The number of times I've been at home all day waiting for a delivery, only to go outside and find one of those cards...
FYI its just lazy employees. I was told my certified letter from the army couldn't be delivered because no one was home. I was home all day. I went to the street and confronted the carrier on his way back down our road. He not only didn't make an attempt to deliver the letter but took the notice that must be left in the mailbox.
I might be misunderstanding this, but I'm not so sure about this as multiple times I've had tracked packages that show they haven't left the original location that once delivered skip through the usual tracking steps to delivered
On the flip side, I've had packages sitting on my desk that the usps website said was still on the other side of the country. I'm pretty sure their tracking software updates scan to the central server in batches. The delivery confirmations go up in real-time though.
This just happened to me, said it was delivered on Saturday, I just got it on Tuesday. I've been told that they scan the packages ahead of time as delivered to save time while delivering, I think it's BS. I mean it sucks, I paid extra for one day shipping (Which should have been Friday) and I didn't even get it till 4 day's later.
I've had problems with that and them just not scanning it, so for a week I think it's in Kentucky or something. Then the next update says it's out for delivery. So. I would agree with this one.
I don't know if this is just where I live, or if the delivery person was just awfully nice, but Amazon sent a delivery confirmation along with a photo of the package on our doorstep. Might be because people have also started to steal packages, so.. there's that.
Sometimes things get misdelivered and it takes time to get it sorted out. It's not common but things can be delivered to neighbors or to people with similar addresses and either they don't notice it until a week later and drop it off, it was get told to go pick it up and bring it to the right place, sometimes it might go out in the wrong city and then get delivered and noticed that day or the day after and go through the process of getting to the right place but at that point the tracking only updates internally and customers can't see it.
Not sure if I'll be seen but I got some really good proof.
I checked my package status at 11:30pm or so Feb 1st. It said "arrived at local facility at 4pm Feb 2nd".
I assumed glitch but this has happened multiple times. The packages always arrive on time and I do check/verify whether I'm seeing the correct time zones etc.
I'm actually a letter carrier for the post office, and we do have scanners with us. We're supposed to only scan the package delivered when we're actually dropping it off on the porch, in the box, or with the customer. The earliest we could possibly scan a package is the morning of the day it is supposed to be delivered, so I honestly don't know why it could be taking as long as days or even a week longer to arrive.
Believe it or not, they gave us hand scanners and a little computer we carried on our hip. We scanned every package that came into our truck (and had to memorize which zip codes went in which truck -- hundreds of numbers with various, tricky exceptions).
They also strictly employed druggie college kids so they could basically abuse them.
This all led to an environment about as insane as you'd imagine. I've seen packages roll down the belt literally on fire.
TLDR; moving millions of packages a day is a pretty shoddy operation.
I can't say anything about USPS, however I load trailers at FedEx and we scan every package, not solely so the customer can see where it is, but because it gives valuable information for the company, such as trailer weights (since there's weight limits), and how well each area of the building is performing. It also gives a way for them to see how well employees are doing since it tells how many boxes per hour each employee is loading. In my load area, scanning percentage is usually between 99.5% and 99.8% each day, meaning, everyday, .2% to .5% of packages somehow get through without being scanned. I would assume USPS also takes scanning seriously, so it's possible that you've just gotten really unlucky with missed scans.
You may or may not believe me but at least at my office I can confirm that every skid gets scanned as 'Arrival at Unit' and every single package gets scanned that way by a team of clerks and then every single package is scanned again by the carrier. If your theory is right the USPS is paying a lot of people for busy work...although now that I think about it....
Happened to me. The package said it was delivered on Sunday and I didn't get it till the following Friday. Jokes on Amazon tho, they refunded me before it arrived.
otzisan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Today I was sitting on my front porch when I got a notification that USPS just attempted a delivery and left a notice. No delivery attempt, no notice.
The postal service has received directions from Amazon stating essentially that all their packages must be delivered on the expected delivery date by 8pm with no exceptions. Sometimes that's just not possible. A business is closed, not safe to deliver, no place to leave the package, etc. This is how it started, the supervisors at an office scans a package delivered in a what we call a "stop the clock" scan. It has however completely opened the floodgates and the scans are no done for absolutely no fucking reason other than whoops, didn't get it to the carrier before they left (sometimes multiple days in a row). They also do it will all packages now, not just Amazon fyi. Basically rules are too strict the rules no longer matter. There's no flexibility so it's entirely tossed. Not trying to say it's right to do or ethical, legal, etc, just trying to explain why it do like it do. The system is also entirely fucked. So... That doesn't help.
PyDive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sell guitar picks on eBay. One of them shipped to Ohio. The tracking said delivered, but the 2 a guy messages from the buyer said otherwise. It took another 4 days for him to actually get it.
Simply untrue. It is mentioned countless times that you need to remember to scan the package when you deliver it. When you deliver it, not before. If you did not scan they will tell you when you get back and likely just have you type it in and confirm it.
Lost a limited edition vinyl because USPS said that it was delivered when it hadn't been. In fact I had received the mail when the day it had shown delivered since I was expecting it. After 4 employees and 2 managers said they would contact me after looking into it, they finally just said that it had been delivered and there was nothing they could do. Fuck em.
jatenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in germany; I'll talk about biggest parcel service DHL here which also offers tracking (as every parcel service nowadays). I can't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure it depends on scans here. The data matches "logic", which would not oppose an algorithm if it's good enough - it's not always on time, but considering how much of that data is transmitted, that mobile coverage doesn't exist everywhere, and that people and machines screw up (as in, don't follow the "usual" route), it would make sense for some data to not make 100% sense.
On top of that I also spoke to a kiosk owner who has a contract with DHL so that they can have a little space in his shop as a kind of "minimal branch" (that exists quite a lot here in areas where people live, but not enough to justify a complete store). He was just under contract and planned to not extend it (as many others, as he said) due to horrible conditions that made him actually lose money in the end (fucked up thing; he explained it to me but it's too complex for here) so he was open about how it works and his experiences.
He told me that every few months, a lot of regular drivers from specific areas have vacations and they employ untrained substitutes for that time who don't even really get training. They just need a driver's license, that's it. They also hire a lot of immigrants who just came here, which is great for inclusion, but without the least amount of training that results in trouble with our society, work protocols, and even communication (it's often really hard to even speak a few words with them). That's not on those people but on DHL, of course, and it's great that these people try, but the hate they get from annoyed customers is unfair to them and also DHL's fault.
During such times, packages and especially the tracking screw up WAY more often. You can have three "failed" delivery attempts in three consecutive days while you where at home the entire time. DHL support is aware and doesn't even really do anything (as they can't); they tell you they're gonna look into it and just throw the ticket in the trash. Sometimes they'll tell you that your package will arrive "in a few days" if they know that that's the time the regular drivers return.
The stories go so far that he had an anecdote where an employee quit, in the middle of his shift, from one second to the other. He just left the truck standing, half full with packages to deliver, and walked away. No idea what happened to him, but considering that this is a thing that can happen and that those employees are untrained and unfit for this job, it definitely makes sense that such problems can occur in less severity outside of those timeframes. New employees are usually unskilled at first, and in such a big company there will be a few who handle your package at one time or the other. If one screws up, the tracking process might fuck up entirely as it's extremely hard to build software with any kind of fuckup in mind.
When I got a new phone I ordered a case to be delivered to my home. It arrived the following day. 5 days later I got an email saying it had just been shipped. Conspiracy? Probably.
In Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars' "Uptown Funk", the line "Uptown Funk you up, Uptown Funk you up", they actually say fuck a few times.
11181514 ยท 3641 points ยท Posted at 22:11:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so this one time I was at a farmer's market and there was this kid, definitely under 10 years old, playing an electric guitar and singing. Which was pretty adorable. But then when he started on Uptown Funk he was definitely saying "fuck" (not intentionally just how it came out). There was probably a crowd of about 50 people trying not to laugh so as to not make the kid feel embarrassed about performing, but it was one of the funniest things ever. Even the kid's parents were barely holding it together.
RichWPX ยท 2508 points ยท Posted at 02:54:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son does it the reverse way
"I'm too hot (hot day)"
It still makes sense
williet28 ยท 1011 points ยท Posted at 03:28:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girls say "hot dance".
My favorite though is the Jason Derulo song "Talk dirty to me". They think he says "Tom Brady time". We live in Boston.
[deleted] ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 05:43:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part of every Jason Derulo song is where he says JASOOONNNN DERUUUULOOOOoooOOOoooo
RichWPX ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 03:32:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny when he does it and I'm sure it the same for you it's with 100 percent conviction that that's the proper lyric. I don't know something about that look of yeah I know this song and I know it well makes it cuter.
johnny2k ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:28:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just heard about Tom Brady yesterday and know he's a quarterback but is there some other thing about where you live that makes this comment funny? Do people in your area love or hate Tom Brady? No sarcasm here. I just want to understand sports references.
Weebr ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 05:38:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boston is in New England. Brady plays for New England.
Rph23 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:02:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is an absolute living legend up in the north east. I'm not a fan due to my loyalty to another organization, but it's fair to say he is the best quarterback of all time. He's an incredible player and has a good personality/looks, everyone loves him up there.
When my son was still learning to talk at about 2 years old he tried to copy his mother and sing Uptown Funk but instead he kept saying "up down I'ma fuck you up!" We have some very shaky videos of him singing because we were laughing too hard.
This single comment made me wish I lived in a first world country and enjoy such moments. I hope to get the opportunity to travel to California sometime next year.
11181514 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:48:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was teaching ESL in Korea, one of my students was convinced the words were "Up, down, monkey down, Up down monkey down."
No idea how he thought that, but I remember the class bursting out laughing, and then everyone trying to convince him that he was wrong, but he was sure he was right.
Growing up I thought it was"play that fucking music white boy" first time ever got in trouble for cursing love
dongknog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:43:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was at a talent show for adults with Down syndrome and one woman sang uptown funk hit that hard UCK every single time. Worst part was those were the only words she knew. She just yelled "uptown fuck you up" until the song was over.
When the song first came out I overheard a group of young boys talking about it, saying "yeah the song said 'uptown Eff you up!'" I thought it was funny that they mistook the lyrics and were excited about a song having a swear word in it
Khrull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 4 year old says it all the time!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friends kid says "fuck" instead of "truck" and he has no intentions of ever correcting her.
Oh god, this reminds me of a memory from when I was really young. My sisters liked his song called "thank you for the funk". Of course I thought it said fuck and was kind of surprised it was being said so freely but sang along anyways. Got made fun of by them but not scolded so win?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister is 11 years younger than me and 9 younger than my brother. We're at dinner when she's maybe about 10 and starts singing "Like a Prayer" by Madonna....
Oh man, I wish I knew she had confirmed it. So many people have argued that I'm hearing things, when I've always found it so blatant. Always bugged me a little when I'd see very young girls singing it...
ryeguy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:05:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link to chorus. Listen to the second repetition, it's pretty obvious when you're listening for it.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:10:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im convinced Cypress Hill did exactly the same thing with 'When The Shit Goes Down'. For the radio version they just titled it "When The Ship Goes Down" and didn't re-record the vocals at all. There is no way anyone could prove they were saying anything but "Ship".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the UK at least, the radio version was called 'When The Ship Goes Down' but they actually just muted the word shit when they played it. I don't know whether there was a 'ship' version and the stations just thought it was still too close to shit so muted it out or whether Cypress Hill literally never did a different version.
But that's my point, I'm from the UK and remember without a shadow of a doubt it being played on daytime radio and the radio dj saying "Before any of you ring in and complain they are saying "Ship" and not the rude word that sounds like ship" and I chuckled to myself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I agree. I think it varied from station to station. The beeb censored it, because they are a bit more careful in general, other stations were just insisting it said ship. I am pretty sure it wasn't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That guy recording is awesome. Obviously a big fan and singing in that joyful but very off key way you do at gigs.
In spaceship coup by justin timberlake for the longest time I thought he says "with the top fuck you wrapped up in my space lover cocoon" i wonder if he did it on purpose
I'm pretty sure at one point in it she says it, but only once or twice, and she changes her tone mid-sentence when she starts saying fuck to sound a little angry
Pa-pa-pa-poker face , fa-fa-fuck her face is how it goes
Not just at 1:20, but every "repeat" of the "puh-puh--puh-poker face" line.
ottoginc ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been convinced for years she says "fuck her face" many times in that song, and I'm fine with it because fucking faces is one of my favorite things.
I swear in David Bowie's song, Life on Mars, The lines, "Sailors fighting in the dance hall! Oh man! Look at those cave men go! It's the freakiest show!!!!" I swear to God, David is saying ,"Sailors fighting in the dance hall! Oh man, look at those "gay men go"!, it's the freakiest show." It makes more sense to me than the other way around.
I speak Spanish. Nobody says anything remotely close to "burrito". It's the only Spanish sounding word that rhymes with what they're saying that most people know.
Merwini ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:50:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody says anything remotely close to "burrito"
As a non Spanish speaker, I kept hearing "laberinto" as "la burrito" until I looked it up.
See I swore they were saying burrito, so I looked up the lyrics and read them as I was listening to the song. Once I did that, I confirmed there is not "burrito."
I looked up the lyrics recently, and I was surprised that "This is how we do it down in Puerto Rico" isn't a line in the song. I've been hearing it like that for months. I thought past the beginning bit that it was the only English in the song.
When I looked up the translated lyrics it said it was all in Spanish for something like "were gonna do it a beach down in Puerto Rico" or something like that. Now I'm really confused.
Szalkow ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:42:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The original version of the song is entirely in Spanish. The version which is currently popular in English-speaking countries is a remix featuring Justin Bieber, and has had several verses reworked to include English lyrics.
I always thought that was obvious. Like brittany spear "if you seek amy" song also around that time. I think pop music was definitely hiding stuff in plain sight
At least in the case of "If You Seek Amy", it wasn't hidden, people at the time BLEW THE FUCK UP about it. At least in the US. So much clickbait was produced about it, I thought they'd never shut up.
It wasn't hidden AT ALL. The lyrics made no sense if you took them at face value: "All of the boys and all of the girls are begging to if you seek Amy".
So...yeah. It was about as stealthy as a hot pink ocean liner on dry land.
swion ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:33:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daft Punk secretly reveals a bit about their identify in the song Get Lucky. In the repeated part of "we're up all night again" they are really saying "we're all part Mexican." I swear it's true, give it a listen.
I know you're probably joking but I keep hearing people talk about who Daft Punk might be whilst I never thought there was any kind of mystery to who they actually were. They only started wearing the robot helmets relatively recently and used to regularly play and do photo shoots with no 'disguises'. They are just two normal, albeit incredibly talented, French dj / producers.
"Back in the Nineties, the duo placed black bags on their heads during promotional appearances and bought creepy Halloween masks to wear at photo shoots. The robot helmets, designed by French artist friends, originally featured campy brown wigs โ curly for Bangยญalter, flowing for de Homem-Christo. En route to the 2001 magazine shoot where they first unveiled the helmets, though, Daft Punk yanked off the hair, deciding the robots looked better bald. "Sleeker," Bangยญalter says."
I've been arguing with my girlfriend about it for years. I've always thought she dropped some f bombs. I'm glad this chain of commented appeared to show my side some support.
Darxe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:29:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The song is literally about blowjobs so it makes sense
Well simple plan wrote the song heart breaker so that they could say dick on the radio... When he says " heart breaker , I'm a dick, I'm a dick-tted (addicted) to you
Smoldero ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:34:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ohhh man thank you for reminding me how much I love the song Addicted by Simple Plan
kingbad ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:31:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear that the chorus of the Doobie Brothers' "Black Water", which supposedly includes the line "honky-tonk all night long" sounds to me like "fuck you all night long".
let's not forget about that t-swift song where she says "long list of ex lovers**" and it really sounds like she's saying the word Starbucks. come on. she's saying Starbucks and her fan base has subconsciously bought in to it
I like to believe that Bruno Mars has gotten into at least one fight and told the other guy "I'm gonna Uptown FUNK you up!" or some variation
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:00:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought "them hood girls, them good girls, straight masterpieces" was "straight masturbators" until I heard some kids singing it.
_MNMs_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:10:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the same vein, I'm pretty sure the Gorillaz song Feel good Inc. has them saying "shut the shut the shut the fuck up" but most places I've seen just have it as "cha cha cha cha cha" or something like that.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:49:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of all the videos back in 2008-2009 YouTube when people would reverse a track (for example Led Zeppelin) and point out some satanic meaning (with words like DID YOU HEAR THAT) on the screen. And I actually believe that. I mean I believe that musicians secretly put hidden words/meanings to their songs, not that they're part of some satanic cult and brainwashing us.
Power of suggestibility. When you see on the screen what they're supposedly saying/they tell you what the message is, you subconsciously strain to hear that, because otherwise you'd just be hearing gibberish.
bionix90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure in Mistress Mabel by The Fratellis the line "Tell me where all the days have gone, when you rocked my cradle" is actually "robbed my cradle" as I interpret the song as from the point of view of a guy who misses his nanny who statutory raped him.
Samething with Drake - Know Yourself
"I was running through the 6 with my woes
You know how that should go"
"I was running through the 6 with my woes
You know how that shit go"
Censorship game slick.
I played it at a gig once and the singer took the mic out to the crowd and had them repeat "uptown funk you up." One old lady misheard him (somehow) and said "uptown funky road" and we all lost it onstage.
tydalt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, Daltrey says "fuck" twice in "Who Are You" and Jagger says "You make a dead man cum" twice in "Start Me Up".
Probably common knowledge to fans of the respective bands, but it was fairly salacious for its time and gets common airplay on the regular OTA radio stations without censoring all the time.
I have always suspected Bruno Mars is secretly the bastard of one of the lesser talented Jackson brothers. Just something about him reminds me of the family.
It's probably because he's built his career by determining the exact mixture of Michael Jackson and Prince necessary for pop music success. If you listen to 24 Karat Magic it becomes pretty damn obvious who his influences are
That is probably the most likely scenario. That or big music hunted down the bastard daughter of Tito or Jermaine from the Jackson 5's glory days and in a secret breeding plot mated her under the guise of a groupie with Prince. To produce the ultimate pop singer, and switched it with some poor couples real baby.
If you listen closely, especially to the background guys, they definitely slip in "Too fat for love", usually on the second time. Vince Neil also slips it in occasionally. I think you can catch it at the end.
I may be thinking of a demo version I heard where it's way more obvious but you can hear it in the album version, IMO. I do admit that I have audio processing issues so maybe it's just me.
And I swear they are saying "play that fuckin music white boy, play that fuckin music right." I have tried since 1993 to hear funky. I still can't. Was 8 at the time iirc.
In practical magic the kids chanting were supposed to be saying "witch witch you're a witch" but if you turn on subtitles you can see some say "witch witch you're a bitch"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm positive that in Nightwish's "Bye Bye Beautiful", Marco says "die, die" instead of "bye bye" at least once!
This hit, that ice cold
Michelle Pfeiffer, that white gold
This one for them hood girls
Them good girls straight masterpieces
Stylin', whilen, livin' it up in the city
Got Chucks on with Saint Laurent
Got kiss myself, I'm so pretty
I'm too hot (hot damn)
Called a police and a fireman
I'm too hot (hot damn)
Make a dragon wanna retire man
I'm too hot (hot damn)
Say my name you know who I am
I'm too hot (hot damn)
Am I bad 'bout that money, break it down
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you
'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you
'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you
Saturday night and we in the spot
Don't believe me just watch (come on)
Don't believe me just watch uh
Don't believe me just watch
Don't believe me just watch
Don't believe me just watch
Don't believe me just watch
Hey, hey, hey, oh
Stop, wait a minute
Fill my cup, put some liquor in it
Take a sip, sign a check
Julio, get the stretch
Ride to Harlem, Hollywood
Jackson, Mississippi
If we show up, we gon' show out
Smoother than a fresh dry skippy
I'm too hot (hot damn)
Called a police and a fireman
I'm too hot (hot damn)
Make a dragon wanna retire man
I'm too hot (hot damn)
Bitch say my name you know who I am
I'm too hot (hot damn)
Am I bad 'bout that money
Break it down
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you
'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you
'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you
Saturday night and we in the spot
Don't believe me just watch (come on)
Don't believe me just watch uh
Don't believe me just watch uh
Don't believe me just watch uh
Don't believe me just watch
Don't believe me just watch
Hey, hey, hey, oh
Before we leave
Lemmi tell y'all a lil' something
Uptown funk you up
Uptown funk you up
Uptown funk you up
Uptown funk you up uh
I said uptown funk you up
Uptown funk you up
Uptown funk you up
Uptown funk you up
Come on, dance, jump on it
If you sexy then flaunt it
If you freaky then own it
Don't brag about it, come show me
Come on, dance
Jump on it
If you sexy then flaunt it
Well it's Saturday night and we in the spot
Don't believe me just watch come on!
Don't believe me just watch uh
Just the lyrics alone is about the dumbest thing I've ever read or heard. The music is just about the most cliche bullshit I've ever heard.
Vladimir Putin planned the Moscow apartment bombings as an excuse to start the Second Chechen War, which facilitated his rise to power. I mean they found FSB people near buildings where actual bombs were found in bags, and they said it was a "training exercise."
Is this still a 'theory'? I honestly thought it was documented fact.
[deleted] ยท 1259 points ยท Posted at 21:35:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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km816 ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 23:17:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In extension of this conspiracy, I believe the 9/11 truther movement was fueled in part by Russia to aid in discrediting theories of FSB conspiracy.
I wouldn't really call that a conspiracy theory. KGB defectors have detailed some disinformation operations that included things like
spreading JFK assassination conspiracy theories
spreading MLK assassination conspiracy theories
spreading conspiracy theories that AIDS was made by the US government
spreading conspiracy theories that water fluoridation is used by the US government for population control
stoking racial tensions by sending false KKK mailers to black families
and so on. It's really not out of the realm of possibility that the FSB still does this, and if you spend even five minutes on looking at Russia Today or Sputnik News you'll see plenty more anti-US-government conspiracy theories.
Then why did so many beloved firefighters still to this day and on that day claim there were multiple bombs going off? Most "truthers" were actually at the event and the most effected by that date which is not the norm for most theories. They are just looking for justice for their brothers.
Like Arya Stark's death list, I look forward to the day when Vladimir Putin is dead.
That man's been responsible for enough death to fill a lake. He's as dangerous as ISIS, far more manipulative and charismatic, and currently seems to still be winning. There are many times when I'm sad the older die first. I respect so many of them. But there are other times when I'm glad mortality exists. There is some justice after all.
Putin's made me rethink my reddit username.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:45:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the worst of all is how he's screwing Russians over and making them love him for it. I can sort of understand someone fucking over other countries to benefit his own, but here it's clearly not the case.
On the other hand I'm not sure his death would be that helpful. They probably have some muppets being groomed to replace him when he dies.
Because the explosive used was pretty much only obtainable through a government run munitions factory (which I believe the FSB guarded), and two FSB agents were caught planting that explosive in another apartment. While the Purim administration claimed the agents were interrupted doing a training exercise, it's pretty damn suspect. Add to that, the Chechens really didn't have anything to gain by blowing up apartment buildings. They had already won autonomy during the first Chechen war, and only would have stood to lose that control by sparking a second war with Russia.
And I suppose the Russians gassed their own people in the opera house thing, or killed their own kids in Beslan.
People with an Islam fetish love excusing jihadists. Chechens are more animal than human. Don't see why russia would need an excuse to intervene in Chechnya, they are currently genociding the gays and Putin is leaving them alone because westerners like you wont let him wipe them out
So, a few things. First off, I don't think the Russian government was responsible for either of those attacks. To be honest, I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm particularly biased against Russia, and I would prefer if our debate could stay related to the topic, and not sink into anger. The same for that matter goes for the "Islam fetish" comment, which not only doesn't describe me, but feels a little prejudiced against Muslims.
Back to the bombings, it really is looking into the case a little bit. I'll say that I'm not 100% committed to the idea that the FSB orchestrated the attacks, but some of what happens puts them in a very suspicious light. Equally, I will concede that there is some evidence the bombing could have been terrorist attacks, as had been described. The point here is, the unusual lack of clarity around the incidents is striking, and no one narrative seems to provide an airtight answer for what happened. Does this mean there was a conspiracy? Not necessarily. However, it's worth considering, if only to disprove that such an event took place.
So, a few other things. I know there's a tense relationship between Russia and Chechnya, for good reason. I'm guessing some of that tension translates to anger on your part, which is understandable. However, advocating for any group of people to be "wiped out" is not ok. Genocide is never an acceptable proposition. Additionally, I agree that the treatment of the LGBTQ community in Chechnya is atrocious. However, I strongly disagree that this is because the west is preventing intervention. To the contrary, the fact that a blind eye is being turned towards these crimes likely has more to do with the Russian government's overall crackdown on gay rights, with laws getting more regressive every year. Additionally, Chechnya is part of Russia, and subject to Russian law, not the whims of western nations. If Putin wanted to push to protect LGBT citizens in Chechnya, or anywhere else in Russia for that matter, he could make an effort to. He hasn't.
I'm pretty sure that the Russian government has specifically stated they gassed the opera house. It was a carfentanil aerosol which is essentially super-fentanyl, which in turn is super-heroin.
Muslims want genocide for all non-Muslims, its the objective of their religion.
the Chechens have had an ongoing insurgency against Russia on a purely religious basis for generations. The place was an Ottoman fief of sorts taken in the 18th century. Sure they might have had a solid basis once.
But if you look at their culture, even for a Muslim society, it is extremely violent, ethnocentric, and unmanageable. They have committed many brutal terrorist attacks
They killed over 300 people at a school in 2004, this is well after the last Chechen war and the autonomy they got. The whole western world condemned the Russians when Chechens launched one of the only wars fought during the de-Sovietisation of Communist states.
The Russians one and gave autonomy, and now they're using the autonomy to wipe out their gay population.
BTW the Apartment bombings weren't what justified the invasion of Chechnya, it was the Chechen invasion of Russian controlled Dagestan, which is a similar Islamist dominated region.
The Russians did the right thing, the Chechen 'Ickeria' was similar to ISIS, between 1991-1999 they had de-facto independence and committed ethnic cleansing against non-Muslims from day 1.
Giving you their footnotes, or the media news articles, documenting very visible world events would take time.
You're the one suggesting the Chechens don't do terrorism and its really the Russian government. If you look at Chechen history, or the history of Muslim societies generally, coexistence is not possible with them outside of major conurbations.
JacP123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:02:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fucking daft? He never once said Chechnyans never committed terrorist attacks. They have killed thousands. What he said was that there are circumstances around the Moscow apartment bombings that look suspicious. That's it. He never said he believed they didn't, he said he wasn't committed to the idea. Stop putting words in his mouth and start reading the fucking shit he did say. Or better yet, just piss off, you're not adding to the conversation, you're wasting everyone's valuable fucking time by not being able to read black on fucking white words and compre-fucking-hending the meaning behind them. Do us all a goddamn favour and make like a tree and fuck off.
And somehow your evidence leads to Chechens. Who happen to be FSB guys planting FSB bombs with FSB explosives from a FSB facility, in FSB controlled and patrolled Russia apartment buildings named ahead of time by FSB leaders.
No shit. Gotta wonder if the guy who wrote it is really that oblivious, though.
Read stuff like that, and then all the down votes for your reply, and I wonder if it's time to throw in the towel on the country. The only people who say they still buy whole-hog into the Govt. story on what happened on 9/11 are stupid, brainwashed or lying. So fucking distressing.
dude i know... could barely believe i read this. the level of brainwash is simply mind boggling. this right here is an example of the awesome power of the deep state propaganda machine. it's so shitty to realize people willingly give up all free thought to the psychopathic warmongering corporate/government masters
now watch the downvotes lol
Time4Red ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:48:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAE think the deep state is controlling our minds?!?!
Better the CIA propaganda than FSB propaganda. Russia is a proto-fascist state. Their government is not worth defending.
Funny how people can always believe other governments are corrupt but THEIR government is just beyond that. Fascinating logic by these people. It only happens "to them" and "over there" the US government is immune to corruption I guess. Lmao
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:03:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rlbond86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gulf of Tonkin was pretty conclusively shown to be confusion, but obviously that other stuff is real
typzone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mass surveillance cause with privacy totally eliminated, restistance like we had in WWII won't be possible. The government will have full control cause knowledge is power.
Well because they are sure putin did this but won't admit that 9/11 was obviously executed / permitted by the US government to have a reason to start the illegal war in Iraq .
It's sad to see that people still belive in the official 9/11 report to this day .
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to read it . There are tons of summaries of it that's why experts criticise it so much because tons of stuff is missing and not mentioned
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really think bush gives a fuck about his own people . Don't be naive .
Someone ruining the economy, fucking up hundred thousands of people , making the US the country with the highest debt that will slowly consume them , killing 500.000 innocent people directly in a war based on nothing , doesn't give a fuck about 4000 people . 4000 is nothing .
And by the way you can still be up to date about a topic without reading the entire official document. Thousands of professors and other dudes did it and told us what is written .
And going with your logic . Don't tell me you are a person who believes that putin ordered to kill some people who might be a treat to him . Because you are not allowed to say that before reading every report on that case . The official reports from Russia site . Because thinking putin kills his opponents while having over 70% of approval seems kinda retarded and groundless, am I right ? :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also make a deep analysis about Adolf Hitler . He wasn't a totally bad guy like they want us to tell , right ?
He maybe kinda got emotional with the Jews BUT he helped his country to grow economically and developed the infrastructure and actually made the country respectable again .
There isn't much to discuss about bush . There is a reason why he is one of the worst president in the history of all presidents .
Entire debt under obama are a result from the bush politics .
And as I said . I don't think that Bush actually ordered an attack . But he knew something was gonna happen and did as less as possible to make it happen .
It is possible to hide . Right now some documents revealed that the CIA , FBI or NSA hid information about the Kennedy assassination. Mayor information about the assasins actually .
And look how old that shit it .
And there are enough evidence about 9/11 to make it obvious that there is something wrong about the real story . Jesus Christ Bush was far worse than putin and still every shit about putin is automatically true . Russia in an enemy of the US , why do you think THEIR reports say putin killed x person .
It's actually kinda funny that it's always the CIA , NSA investigating about Russia related stuff instead of NATO offices or European, unbiased , groups .
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should have put /s behind the Hitler argument.
It was to show you that even though one person did some good thinks he can still be evil and shady af .
Um , you can even read on Wikipedia that it was bush who ruined the economy with his intense military spendings , Iraq war and the financial crisis starting at 2007 ( he took a big part on it )
I don't praise putin I just don't like your way of desperately defending George Bush .
He is one of the worst person existing right now and you try really hard to put putin next to bush . That is insane and delusional.
Sounds like the shit you hear from propaganda movies as in American Sniper or London has Fallen . Pure blind hatred .
20 Trillion $ is worrysome are you actually kidding ?
They raise the bar higher and higher every year . Do you know what will happen when the bar can't be set any higher ?
Pure chaos . No one is getting paid ,important infrastructure will be closed and shut down for some time and lots of Americans are gonna lose everything if they got debt at the bank ( like in 2008 but bigger )
I really hope this conversation takes and end .
I'm sorry for the average US citizen who has to suffer from their incompetent government.
It's just a question of time and the entire system collapses like a house of cards .
Huh? My question was WHO are these people? listen when other people speak and please don't just say what you already planned to say.
The US let 911 happen? Do you know how many people would have to be in on that conspiracy to keep it quiet and remain quiet? There are thousands of people working in intelligence.
I believe there was probably Incompetence but the idea that George Bush wanted a plane to hit a building in NYC is completely implausible and without evidence.
Putin's own security team was caught planting actual bombs in an apartment building man. Now that is evidence.
A building falling down strangely or government incompetence is not evidence of a conspiracy.
funny .
In the beginning everyone said that it is a conspiracy that putin ordered the bombing , without any facts .
And know it's a fool proven FACT that his team did it .
And you except it like it is but don't take the evidence around 9/11 as truth because they are only from conspiracy theorists ???
Russian government is lying but the US government said the total truth about 9/11 .
Come on .
There were tons of people who did profit from the Iraq war . Even Wikipedia says that after the Iraq war 28 billion $ went missing from the Treasury and into the pockets of high Politicans and officials ( yes , George Bush is also a candidate for this ) .
And not everyone is a secret agency has information about anything . Everyone knows only a small piece , only the top chefs in the headquarters know about everything.
Some time ago they even found out that the CIA , NSA ( or other two big agencies ) tried to hide information about the Kennedy assassination. And look how much time has passed since the attack .
They are good in hiding things
hawktron ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:39:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the evidence for that though? We have evidence and credible insider witnesses of KGB involvement. When a former Bush Whitehouse employee or CIA or whoever you think was involved comes out claiming it and they have the credentials to back it up then people will listen, atm all we have is a bunch of arm chair experts making silly arguments based on unreliable evidence.
And before you mention engineer groups, just because they don't think the official report of the collapse is right it doesn't mean they believe it was an inside job.
I am not gonna link you all the hundreds reports from experts to that topic .
If you just look at the official report and than compare it to reality you will , as a healthy human being , don't believe it .
They didn't even MENTION some heavy adpe of it . They didn't mention WTC 9 IN THE official report . Come one man .
I don't think that Bush ordered that attack , I'm not dumb . But je definitely knew something big was happen on US soil and let it happen .
The entre Iraq war is one of the dirtiest things ever . It's on a level with the holocaust. Every government on earth , US secret service's AND even US politicians said that the IRAQ WAR was based on absolutely nothing and a war against international law.
9/11 was bush's desperate justification for the war . Even now 70% of the US citizen don't believe in the official report about 9/11 .
The war killed 2 million innocent people . Children , women and young man . Do you really think he gives a fuck about 4000 US citizen? He ruined the economy completely. Hundred thousands of Americans lost EVERYTHING.
Just because someone is skeptical about a claim that the US let 911 happen doesn't make them hardcore pro America. You should be more skeptical and less "sure".
And someone who is sceptical about the stuff a government says, that got convicted of lying and starting groundless wars , doesn't make him a conspiracy theorist
None of things you just said are evidence for a conspiracy to allow a plane to hit the WTC. Even if Bush had evidence that some attack was coming and chose not to act, is still NOT a conspiracy. That's just being a crappy president. Or maybe the intelligence officials didn't have enough information to act. How would they know exactly what plane on what day at what time the attack would happen? Intelligence gets bad information all the time.
But again. Just being an idiot doesn't make you the same as a foreign dictator for example.... Who has people murdered for not agreeing with them.
Intentions are very important.
I refuse to believe George Bush is evil. Stupid? Yes. But not devoid of morals.
Please link your sources to actual evidence. Please.
Bush is greedy , incompetent, anti patriotic and stupid .
War is in my eyes the worst thing ..I totally hate it and don't support it in any ways .
Bush started an illegal war put of profit without having ANY evidence about weapons in Iraq . EVEN his own agencies told him that .
He Lied 585 times about it on camera.
His war costed the live of 2 million people .
He killed his own soldiers , killed the US economy, forced his allies to join his illegal war and killed INNOCENT PEOPLE. And today we have terrorist groups that were able to form in this destroyed country .
How is this man not evil ? He is dead evil . He is a disgusting piece of human garbage.
He didn't kill his own people but innocent people on the other site of globe . Families with kids died user the bombardments.
And in your eyes that is not evil ? I'm sorry but that is just inhuman of you .
hawktron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:07:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said just because the report may have been flawed or incomplete doesn't make the Bush government responsible.
Reddit is so hardcore pro America it's insane
Well I'm British but I guess jumping to conclusions without evidence is the root cause with 9/11 conspiracy theorist ;)
Why should they not include IMPORTANT parts in the report .
And bitch please George W. Bush is one of the dumbest and shadiest man out there . You instantly believe putin was behind that one but don't question 9/11 .
That is just very naive and weak .
Hundred of millions of American (.including experts and high ranked officials ) doubt the official statement about 9/11.
But YOU are so smart and right . Of course my friend :) Whatever floats your boat
hawktron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're making WTC7 more important than it is because it feeds the conspiracy theories.
If there wasn't conspiracy theory about the attacks then WTC7 was just a building that received heavy damage and long burning fires that ultimately collapsed, there is nothing important or special about that.
You're basically making a big fuss over some secondary event and using the original lack of interest as evidence for a greater conspiracy.
No, it just shows that the government didn't want to FULLY investigate that event .
It's the biggest terror attack on US soil EVER .
EVEEEERRRR. And we all know how easily triggered Americans are when it's about their home country .
And then they do such a bad job around that big event ?
Even smaller events as the Boston bombing received more attention than 9/11.
And as I said , I do think that the buildings collapsed simply because two huge planes hit them .
But they way this ALL happened is more than questionable.
See it like this : Bush lied 585 times on camera about Iraq . He failed his job and lied UNDER oath for 585 times . Every secret agency admitted that they all lied and nothing of that is true .
And now you want me to tell me that the man , who lied 585 times about Iraq didn't say ANY!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE LIE about 9/11 ???
Come on man , nobody can be this simple minded and naive . You sound like the governments wet dream
hawktron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:48:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Provide me with evidence and I'll believe you, there was a brief period after I watched zeitgeist that I believed it too, so I know what its like to be on your side. I just came to the realisation that I should be just as skeptical about their evidence as they wanted us to be skeptical of the government, if that makes me simple minded and naive then so be it.
The fact is if there was evidence you would show me it rather than just giving me your opinions like "Bush lies" and they did a "bad job".
Well I started to question out biggest newspaper here in Germany . Over the time it went full pro America and jumped on the anti Russia train . They did a really bad job during the obama period .
And that is like 8 years ago . AND I've read so much things about capitalism, the system and the US that I'm ALWAYS sceptical about everything right now .
Once you understood how the system works ypu question everything that is happening. Don't jump blind on any hate train , make your own view .
There isn't much where I say this and that happened. But I'm 100% that 9/11 didn't happened as they told us .
There are just too many factors that don't work out together. One of those is George W . Bush .
If it was Clinton or obama in office than it would be a totally different story . But that man is so shady you can't imagine .
Just read everything about Iraq , George W Bush, 9/11 , the weapon industry, refugee crisis , founded terrorists groups that it all undoubtedly is connected together
hawktron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read a lot about it and the Middle East in general I just think the world is far more complicated than people like to or even are capable of imagining. People like simple answers so saying Bush was a bad guy or capitalism is evil is just an easy way out.
There is no doubt the invasion of Iraq was clearly initiated by flawed governments but that doesn't mean they were complicit in 9/11. 9/11 wasn't a random event, Al-Qaeda bombed the towers a decade earlier and had been attacking US embassy and military targets for years and plane hijackings were common place in the decades leading to it.
It's much more likely they exploited it as an excuse rather then initiated it or let it happen. Let's not forget the initial war was with Afghanistan.
If they just wanted to invade Iraq there was much easier ways than carrying out the biggest terrorist attack in the world then blaming people who had nothing to do with Iraq.
Let's not forget the biggest argument and the focus of their UN presentations was WMDs not 9/11.
Even now in Syria you can't say who is the bad or good guy because there are like 5 big fractions fighting each other .
I saw the presentation about the WMD and it was sickening . All the garbage they told us , presenting absolutely nothing and trying so hard so force the war .
That's the thing .Bush needed the approval of the population. And 9/11 was just a TOO PERFECT TIMING .
Even after 9/11 people all around the world were super sceptical about the Iraq war .
Nobody supported it here in Europe. He even called us cowards and traitors to not join the war .
And now imagine if 9/11 never happened. He would have less then 0 reasons to start the war .
Even with 9/11 it was a very vague thing to do .
And also the war proved that he gives a shit about human lifes. 4000 Americans are a good deal . Compared to the 500.000 people DIRECTLY murdered and the other 1.500.000 that very killed and died over time because of it , it'd absolutely nothing
hawktron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you see where I'm coming from? They exploited 9/11 for Iraq unquestionably but even still their focus was on WMDs because they knew the link to 9/11 was weak. So the idea they let or committed 9/11 for a justification for the Iraq was is completely illogical.
The government not wanting to investigate the event and George Bush lying to Cover his ass are not evidence for a MAJOR CONSPIRACY TO ALLOW A PLANE TO HIT A BUILDING IN NYC!
I used capital letters to help you hear better.
Unless you have actual physical evidence or witnesses to a crime then you can't go around saying it's OBVIOUSLY true because you don't like the guy who may have been involved. That's not how language or logic or reality work.
George W. Bush is a criminal. .He is just immune because being an ex president didn't you know that ?
He broke international law . Human rights , US laws . Killed his own soldiers in his interests , killed innocent people AND ruined the US economy.
In other countries he would be in den Haag but the US doesn't support den Haag .
People like him normally get the death sentence . You can't argue about that because THOSE are facts .
And than EVERYTHING he said about 9/11 is true ? Unlikely
Kradget ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:50:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I thought there were some reporters who shot themselves in the back of the head and dumped their bodies in the river after ID'ing two government agents who were at those apartments.
Vio_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:34:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very well documented, but the Russians swoop in and start saying it's not here. Unfortunately, most redditers don't know this piece of history, so they get wrapped up in all of the "wasn't him" posts.
A "theory" is basically equivalent to a "documented fact". It is a shame that they are conspiracy theories, when they aren't theories at all. A better phrase would be "conspiracy hypothesis".
Go0s3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:23:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link the "documented facts" please
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worked in "international desk" news at the time, and agree completely. I had bureau chiefs and wire service reporters flat out tell me they believed this to be the case, and that they were under pressure to not go there. This was Putin's power play, at the end of 1999, and it was very effective even as the economic/social elite believed the bombings to be staged and/or committed by assets of the FSB.
An episode of This American Life ("The Other Mr. President," 04/14/2017) was recently dedicated to this very thing, and I was pretty convinced of it by the end.
I recommend checking out the Russia House Podcast. They talk about shit that happens in and out of Russia or that is connected to Russia. They talk about this incident particularly in episode 4.
Kilo914 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:03:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False flag attacks aren't that surprising to hear about. It's really fucked
FalcoLX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
98% of the time false flag accusations are just right wing propaganda. This is an exception.
While this whole story with FSB in Ryazan is suspicious, there are some contradictions. First of all, Islamic terrorists invaded Dagestan in August, whole month before the bombings, and that was more than enough for the casus belli. Next, according to this conspiracy FSB used hexogen for bombs with a detonator made from a cartrige for a hunting rifle. Which is not enough to detonate that kind of explosives. Furthermore, "FSB people" were caught by the residents of the building in 9pm. The time when there are a lot of people are returning from their work. And the person who financed whole this theory (investigations, books, stories in massmedia) was Berezovsky, the oligarch who made his fortune on the Chechen war, who financed Chechen terrorists.
Remember that it wasn't just about Putin's rise to power. It was also used as a casus belli (i.e. pretext) to start the second Chechen war, which resulted in the collapse of the breakaway Islamist republic in Chechnya, which, in turn, solidified Putin's rule even further
Lotso' training exercises every time there's a really serious bombing or attack. Interesting even if they're mostly authentic.
Sometimes i wonder if the so-believed false flag attacks in US history are believed so, because of incompetent/inaccurate reporting, conflicting accounts from unreliable eye witnesses, and coincidence that so many drills take place so often, an attack happens at the same time a drill is taking place somewhere all the time.
Then I pull my head out of my ass and realize they're less coincidences and more "plausible deniability" measures
JFMX1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putin brought his country from shit to one of the most powerful in the world. With all the sanctions and world against them, a pretty good feat.
Or it might have something to do with an FSB agent being caught red handed planting bombs at an apartment complex at the same time as all this was going on. Something that didn't happen on 9/11.
Plenty of eyewitness evidence before 9/11 and on the day itself on indications of explosives.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:17:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kernevez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or the US government carries out a controlled demolition, which takes months and requires the compete stripping of a building, on two of the largest skyscrapers in the world...while the skyscrapers remained open for business.
To be fair when you say it like that, I don't think it sounds particulary impossible.
I think the fact that absolutely nothing leaked is a bigger proof that there was no conspiracy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:42:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kernevez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wait, I actually misread that part as I didn't know there was a conspiracy about that.
Regime change oriental horseshit. And of course the replies allege that 9/11 (far more likely to be planned and executed by the US ruling class) theories are also propagated by Russia. "US can do no wrong, only enemies of the US State Department plot coup d'etats, bomb innocent people, fund violent militias and plan false flag events!"
Yeah, it took me longer than I expected to chance upon the Russia fear-mongering, but there it was. The CIA is the closest thing to the devil incarnate (as their own declassified documents show, so not something Russia could have planted) and most would still rather believe a foreign country is responsible instead of facing the truth: the US government does some preeeetty fucked up shit.
This is a really bizarre comment. The statement was that Russia probably committed a false flag terrorist attack. Why would you then try to defend it by bringing up US foreign policy? That's pretty extreme whataboutism. Nobody is talking about the USA.
You also didn't give any evidence for your opinion. You just whined about how russia can't do anything bad, because america also does bad things.
You're exactly right. And you're downvoted for speaking the truth. That just shows how deeply propagandized the people in the West (US, Canada, UK etc) are.
All these home ancestry DNA tests that popped up out of nowhere have me suspicious.
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2nd edit: Sorry, I should actually state my theory. I feel like these suddenly became popular as a way to collect a massive database of DNA. I really wanted to do one of these tests, but the fact that your dna data is only kept online, you're not given the data as physical media, doesn't sit right with me. We already have the NSA collecting photos, etc.
While I'm not going to dismiss the creepy aspects that having people's DNA in databases entails, it's mostly because DNA sequencing technology has gone leaps and bounds the past decade thanks to next gen sequencing, it became a fraction of the price and takes a fraction of the time and someone said, "Hey, we can so market this."
Undergrad bio majors often do their own DNA tests in class, it's that easy.
Edit: this comment actually makes me think of one of the Artemis Fowl books... (Villian replaces herself in prison with a clone because they use DNA as ID in that world).
Some evidence to back this up is the popularity of canine DNA tests so you can learn what your shelter mutt supposedly is. They gained popularity at about the same time and for about the same reasons: because they're fun and were suddenly affordable. They're not even nearly as reliable as human DNA tests because there hasn't really been as much research into canine DNA, but people like being able to say that their Heinz 57 is actually 1/16ths Viszla or whatever other exotic breed comes up.
There are definitely ethical issues with human DNA databases that I think we're just beginning to explore, but I don't really see a need for a conspiracy theory here. People just like DNA testing and technology advanced to the point that it became affordable and easy, so companies stepped in to make money off of that.
Canine sequencing has been taking off recently, especially ancient canine DNA. I only know because someone in my old department is one of the big names in it now (though he bitches that he doesn't like dogs and is more of a cat person). The anthropology people are really interested in the genetics of dogs right now, and finding out their origins of domestication because of the implications that could have on human civilization and help fill in some puzzle pieces, so there's a lot of collaboration and grant money being poured into it.
Edit: I never paid much attention to his presentations, he wasn't non-evolutionary-biologist-friendly when it came to jargon (I be dumb ecologist) but the jist I got was there's a lot of support for multiple domestication events in Europe, Asia and possibly North America separately - but don't quote me on that, plus there's a new paper out every week about dogs.
That's really interesting to know! I have noticed that there has seemed to be a lot of new information about early canine domestication/evolution/whatever coming out recently, but I'm definitely a layman there and wasn't sure if I was maybe just more aware of it for some reason. I find it absolutely fascinating. I'm a K9 handler and also keep a lot of other domesticated animals ranging from cats to chickens to various hoofed mammals, and I really think the relationship we have with dogs is unique. Though I guess you could say that about our relationship with any domesticated species since they all fill different niches...maybe I should just say that I'm definitely a dog person. ;)
Dogs are way more fun to cuddle with. The beauty of artificial selection / selective breeding is it basically puts evolution into hyperdrive, in only a thousand years you can see dramatic trait divergence you'd expect over millions in a natural population. It makes finding landmarks in our own history easier, especially as our desired traits and uses for them changed. It's all incredibly interesting, I just have no natural instincts/talent for that type of research so I don't know much detail. The book "Domesticated" is a great read though.
Somehow I'd never heard of that one, but I just downloaded it. Thank you for the recommendation.
It is so fascinating to see how our domesticated animals reflect our values. I definitely don't have the education you do, but I see it even in our modern dog breeds. I have German Shepherd dogs and absolutely love them, but it's fascinating (and occasionally horrifying) to see how the breed has evolved. It's even such a new breed, barely a century old. My dogs are from a particular set of working lines known for being lean and more upright. They're not terribly common in my part of the world, and everyone thinks they're mixed breed. And I can get why...they do look like a different breed than the show/pet lines most people are used to. GSDs are probably an extreme example as they're both so new as a breed and also branched off so quickly into show/pet lines and various working lines (further exacerbated by the division of Germany following WW2...there are distinct and obvious differences between East German and West German lines dating back to that time period). It's just crazy how much we can influence the evolution of a species at all, much less in such a short time period.
There's no shortage of extreme examples with dogs, that's for sure! Working dogs at least haven't had to experience what the toy breeds do as much, with missing teeth and deformed skulls. I'm always surprised when I can recognize different lines in the same breed - labradors for example since they're so popular as pets, and then you run into a breeder that has a hunting line that are these lean, thick furred athletes that look nothing like my beached walrus of a dog. Plus just about every mutt has lab in them. I used to work with my aunt's Border Collies, she was always trying to give me a free puppy because they were a little...too related to each other.
I recall reading somewhere that the reason dogs have such a high variability has something to do with how their DNA is more susceptible to mutations, or something like that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have always been a dog person and have owned dogs for years. One of my sisters hates dogs, loves cats. I don't like cats.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the canine DNA testing is pretty neat. It lets you know what breeds your dog is mixed with and it can prove what your puppy is if you bought it from a questionable breeder.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:41:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may legitimately be one of the cutest dogs I've ever seen. I'm a sucker for goofy facial expressions. And yeah, those breeds sound pretty accurate!
I think the issue is that only certain breeds have really been sequenced, so if your dog happens to be those breeds, then it'll be pretty accurate, but if your dog isn't, then you're out of luck. I know they used to be really bad. I got a few of them for free for a promotional thing and used one on my purebred GSD (who I am 100% is purebred as the breeder is well-respected and known for producing really consistent dogs) and it came up with a bunch of weird breeds, and only like 40% GSD. But that was probably 10 years ago now, so I'm sure they've also improved a lot since then!
It was still pretty fun to do, even with the inaccurate results. I enjoyed the results I got on my mixed-breed rescues.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:42:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 63 years old and just had mine done last year. My parents and grandparents never discussed our ancestry and I always wanted to know. When I asked my mother about it she said that she was always told that discussing things like that wasn't appropriate. It was like talking about someone behind their back. So stupid.
I'm glad I had my DNA tested. I was able to do a family tree and dated my ancestors way way back. It was fun.
idwthis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:59:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heinz 57! I thought I was the only person left alive who uses that to describe mutts!
I'm probably overly excited about that, but I love finding people who use the same obscure terms I do.
Haha, I'm glad someone else knows it! I guess I'm dating myself as I remember when it was a pretty common term but now a lot of times people look at me like I've got two heads when I use it. I'll never stop, though.
idwthis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First roommate I had called his dog a Heinz 57. Blaze was a mix of Doberman and German Shepard and god knows what else, but he was the best dog ever :)
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:46:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get your mother to do the ancestry dna test. She's probably a heinz 57 too.
Dragneel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's... kinda insulting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dragneel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm mixed, so I do as well.
ledmonk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like those DNA council guys got to you too. Lenny!
cambo666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be so sure... I believe law enforcement agencies can issue a warrant for your DNA from one of these services if you're a suspect. I don't like that, personally, and that is the single thing stopping me from getting the test done, which I would love to do honestly.
Not that I anticipate I'll be murdering anyone or be a suspect in a crime.
That's one of the ethical issues I was talking about. That doesn't mean they were created as a conspiracy to assist the government/law enforcement, though, just police taking advantage of the information people put out there. You know, just like cell phones weren't created in order for police to track your movements, but police still frequently get warrants for cell phone usage to prove someone was in the area a crime was committed (which actually has a huge amount of problems in itself as that data is pretty unreliable, but that's a different conversation).
And while it's theoretically possible for them to get a warrant for DNA for one of those databases, it's pretty rare (which again points against the conspiracy angle). There was one case I find pretty concerning, where the investigators submitted DNA from a crime scene to Ancestry. Ancestry informed them that it was a potential match, and they got a warrant to get the results. The guy was later ruled out using the more comprehensive methods used in criminal cases. There have been other attempts to get a warrant, but they've mostly been unsuccessful AFAIK. Generally if you have specific enough information to obtain a warrant for DNA (which is a pretty high bar), you can just get a warrant to collect it directly from the suspect.
So basically, my position is that it's totally reasonable to be uncomfortable having your DNA on file somewhere (I definitely am, which is why I haven't used any of these services), but there's no reason to believe that they were created as part of a conspiracy, especially given that government requests for access have largely been denied.
Sorry for the long reply, this is just one of those subjects that really interests me so I've done a lot of reading on it over the years.
cambo666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to apologize for the long reply! I enjoyed it! Good take, cheers!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:33:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that cat dna tests are much more reliable than dog dna tests but not completely sure why
I absolutely loved that Artemis Fowl as a kid! Looking forward to a Netflix special, which is a sort of buddy cop film with Will Smith and some fairy folk trying to contain a magic wand. So, essentially, a world after the glamour has been lifted and humans and fairyfolk intermingle.
That book series got me into science and Sig Sauer handguns.
Edit: Holy shit, Airman came out 10 years ago. Time flies.
Undergrad bio majors often do their own DNA tests in class, it's that easy.
Heck, tech at that level existed 15 years ago. I did a DNA test in my freshman biology class in 2002. I didn't sequence my own DNA, though: I just got a stain. If you're talking about bio freshman sequencing their own DNA in class, that's impressive.
It's just following procedure really. I work in DNA sequencing and it isn't that difficult. What I don't see is universities letting students use next gen sequencing machines. Those reagents alone are extremely expensive.
It still takes some skill to do the library prep right. I've seen a few expensive fuckups because universities have let the grad students do the library prep (instead of an experienced technician).
SoriAryl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a full Gene sequencing or anything, but often when you learn how to run a gel / pcr you take a month swab and look for a certain marker. I did this in a 300 level bio class.
Yup - my own education included multiple genetics courses, so we got to BLAST (gene database that at the time mostly had anonymous Scandinavian sequences) our PCRs and learn if you were similar to the white people, or not so much. That's about the quality then - that's why different services give you different percentages because they're comparing you to different databases (some better than others).
I had one class in my last year of undergrad where the prof said that the year before, the entire class submitted their dna to 23andme, then got to learn bioinformatics by analyzing their own results. I had another class where we did this with publicly available data from 23andme
SoriAryl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I start college this next spring for bio and never heard of undergrads doing it. Thanks for the info
There was stuff to compare to, there's a whole
history of DNA sequencing I'm skimming over, I'm just saying at that time you had a few hundred/maybe thousand samples in the database compared to tens of thousands today.
Very off topic, but I miss reading those books growing up. Not like I'll go read them again but I'd take a movie. While not a great movie I did enjoy Enders Game coming to life (yea sue me)
Spoilers bro. I'm still learning about the LEP Recon unit
guepier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Undergrad bio majors often do their own DNA tests in class, it's that easy.
Correct but completely unrelated to the rest of your comment: These DNA testing methods (simple single-locus genotyping or fingerprinting) are neither new nor expensive. The methods used in ancestry tests, which have decreased drastically in price, are large panel genotyping which is a lot more expensive (and also requires a somewhat more complex lab procedure, though not beyond the scope of undergrad biotech).
DNA sequencing is one of the few technologies that's improved at a rate faster than semiconductors. It's called the Carlson curve (https://www.genome.gov/sequencingcostsdata/).
Sequencing the first complete human genome was an international effort that cost a few billion dollars in the late 90s. Now, it's a benchside lab test that costs a thousand bucks or so.
Why would you use DNA as ID in a world where cloning is possible
timtom85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:13 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's true that it became technically feasible only recently, but that doesn't invalidate the claim these companies may be covert government operations to compile a massive database of DNA records.
I can't remember exactly where I read this, but there was someone talking about how sites like ancestry log certain types of dna and that it can come up to cause issues for you later (i.e. getting insurance). Also, there was a weird post going around about the way they handle First Nation's people and monetize their genetics?
I don't, sorry, it was a tumblr post from a while back that I can't find now. I'll link it if I see it again. However, if I had to guess, it was probably spawned from a combination of the genome project and the spiritual/religious issues of post-humorous baptisms.
Ancestry.com signed a 60 million dollar deal with Familyserach.org who has already gotten in trouble for doing just that. The real conspiracy is that a similar DNA testing company, 23andme signed deals with Pfizer and Genentech. So these companies will have your DNA and your family history and is selling it off.
โWith 23andMe,โ wrote Lisa Miller in New York magazine last April. โ[CEO Anne Wojcicki] wants to do with DNA what Google did for dataโbecause, after all, DNA is data." And what Google โ and other web giants have done โ is to create powerful platforms through which other companies can sell us stuff.
So these companies will have your DNA and your family history and is selling it off.
Was this not blatantly obvious to people? There's a lot of money to be made as it's a new market. Not just commercially, but for law enforcement to track fugitive's families as well. To what level the individual owns their own DNA is kinda up in the air at the moment.
so we and every human who has ever lived are all mormons now?
i think it's creepy, but kind of amusing and stupid. baptizing the dead? holocaust victims are annoyed, so i respect their concerns and stand against the practice. but it seems ridiculous
read the wikipedia link. it's quite bizarre, includes people baptized who are standing in for the dead
i find it hilarious and dumb, and i don't really mind that much either
but holocaust survivors are bothered by it, so i stand against it in respect to them
it's pretty goofy and creepy
takegaki ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:33:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion is weird, but I guess I can shed some light as a born and raised Mormon. The church encourages us members to research their own ancestors, learn more about them, get their names, date of birth/death and where they were from. Then you have a card with that information and you can take it to a temple and do baptisms for the dead. People can submit their ancestors to a big list and everyone just works on knocking them down. You stand in a small pool in white clothes, a person reads the baptism prayer and you get dunked. Then repeat 10 or so times. My family's been Mormon since the beginning on both sides, so basically all my known ancestors have had this done, so I usually just do whatever names they have on hand at the temple. I've heard about the holocaust victims thing, I'm pretty sure it's a big nono to get anywhere near those now, and I've never heard of people choosing random dead people that aren't direct ancestors before, but that was a thing I guess. What is taught, (try not to laugh), is that people have their free agency in the next life too. So it can be like, hey a live person with a physical body was baptized for you by proxy (for some reason baptism has to be with a physical body) do you want to accept that? And people can still be like, what? Be a Mormon? No!
Raised Catholic, went to mass for ~20 years before lapsing, can confirm that the Eucharist is poised to be seen as the flesh of Christ but I always saw it as a wholly symbolic ordeal.
I believe GINA prevents discrimination based on genetics, except for government and military. What you could be alluding to is a genetic disease manifesting as a physical disease; that physical disease then preventing one from getting insurance. Some companies, when testing DNA for one thing, will also test for a specific set of mutations. These mutations are usually closely linked to a curable disease. In the case that these mutations come up positive, even though ancestry.com isn't testing for them, they may feel you have the right to know and disclose that information to you.
DISCLAIMER: I don't know if this is what Ancestry.com does, I work in a genetics lab and this is what we do, but we specialize in hereditary diseases.
I did not know about GINA specifically so thanks for that, but yes, I was talking about the (chances of?) physical manifestation resulting in a "preexisting condition" label.
The issues with insurance only come up if you consent to seeing your medical risks, they now require consent forms filled out/literally just a check mark pushed before you can view your genetic predisposition to medical conditions because of insurance issues.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:40:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a TED talk or some kind of article about the massive amounts of data produced. The business model is to sell or license it to great profit. Not a conspiracy theory but facts.
They license it anonomously. Every part of the record that could point to you individually is removed and then it's massed with other people's records and sold.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. But most clients think it's a toy for their own use, while their data is a product to be sold.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:41:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every part of the record that could point to you individually is removed
The information from the DNA analysis are not individually identifiable.
harlemrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure sites like 23andme admit to it publicly, but more in an attaboy sorta way, saying the anonymous info is used for medical research. Yay, you helped cure diseases!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all these negative things about ancestry.com, but I just want to say I used one of their tests and was able to find my father after 36 years. Met him for the first time a couple weeks ago. Couldn't be happier.
Logeboxx ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:36:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought part of the deal with those was that you DNA is cataloged for research purposes.
achotate ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:22:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure about the others, but 23andMe sells your genetic data to other companies and to universities. A vast database of genomes is an incredibly valuable research tool that people are willing to pay through the nose for -- so valuable that their whole business model is based not on selling sequencing kits, but on selling their customers' data.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:03:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of points here.
First, the original response said:
All these home ancestry DNA tests that popped up out of nowhere have me suspicious.
OP is explaining the issue, not really making a point that can be argued.
Second, who cares depends on who you ask. There's loads of privacy issues with issues like this that we haven't considered. It's the same question about facebook, apple, google and every other app tracking our location and search history. Sure, it's relatively harmless right now. It's less harmless if someone wants to harm you and has access to that data. Or if that data can be hacked, modified, or shared to the public at large to hurt someone's reputation.
I'm not particularly excited about handing out my valuable personal information to random companies in exchange for finding out trivial information about myself. Call it paranoid or call it opportunism, but if I have something of value to other people, I'm not going to pay someone to profit from it.
Scientists aren't using the database to track a specific person, if 23andme was selling your DNA with your information there would be a huge problem, but the data is anonyminized. Nobody but 23andme should be able to link the DNA sequence to a name. I can understand the fear of handing our personal data to a company, but that same fear shouldn't be because 23andme is selling their database, almost every genetic company is doing that. The only way we're going to learn how DNA really works is by looking at huge amounts of data.
I can understand wanting to keep your sequence private, but the data provided could provide the next breakthrough in genetic specific medical treatment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but the data provided could provide the next breakthrough in genetic specific medical treatment.
I'm not a scientist but I doubt that any information coming from 23 and me is going to lead to a breakthrough. We have plenty of genetic data but it doesn't really mean anything if we don't have a way of interpreting that data or correlating it to specific medical issues. The problem with 23andme is they don't have any actual medical history. It's all self-reported patient histories that can't be verified. "Do you have trouble sleeping" is different than insomnia which is different than sleep apnea. If I'm studying drugs that target sleep apnea, that genetic data dump is virtually meaningless. If I'm doing research that relies on scientifically valid data, I'm going to ignore everything they provide.
It's okay if they want to sell data. That's basically what every company does these days and the consumer has no expectation that their private information, anonymized or not, will be held privately. Grocery stores, credit cards, Apple and Samsung, cable companies, and every other company with data on you is going to sell it. But there's no need to pretend like what 23andme or ancestry.com or anyone is doing is a noble cause. It's defendable in the sense that it's a common practice but it's not going to save the world or any lives.
As far as the privacy concerns go, yes, when they sell the data it is anonymized. However, the records they keep aren't.
pinks1ip ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:14:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, ancestry.com is owned by the Mormon church. My theory is they are using it as a recruiting/recovery tool. It's a great way to find "lost sheep" or whatever.
I had this same thought. It's obviously a ham fisted attempt to create a comprehensive DNA registry.
The govt has been collecting a sample of DNA from every baby born in the USA since the 1970's but it isn't in a compiled database for law enforcement use. Getting the law enforcement data base filled up with as many DNA profiles as possible is what these home DNA tests are about.
You are now required to submit to a facial recognition scan compliant photo for a drivers license. Guaranteed that a DNA sample will be required within the next 10 years under the guise of homeland security and fighting terrorism.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. It's not as big of a conspiracy as you think. More of an Occam's Razor for capitalism. The government doesn't really need DNA as much as capitalistic interests can profit from your DNA. These companies compile DNA along with a self-reported medical history from people submitting their DNA. They take that data and see if they can find any genome mapping info that they can sell to pharma companies. So the consumer pays you money to break down their DNA, then you sell that data to another company. You're winning on both ends.
Something can't be an Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor is simply a philosophical principle.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appreciate it. The Occam's Razor principal applies here because I'm showing the difference between a massive US government conspiracy and profit for a corporation.
The assumption OP made says there are several major companies that are fronts for a government conspiracy that wants to harvest all our DNA for record keeping. My argument is that a much simpler assumption can be made - those companies sell the data they have and it's massively profitable for them.
The facial recognition scan is to prevent fraud for the people that like to have 10 different licenses in different states. They compare the photo to other databases of current licenses.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:22:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude they keep the DNA you give them so even if they go out of business they keep it
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:13:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the can sell it to companies/rando people and they can do whatever. Thats how you get framed for eating old people!!!!
Pugovitz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who has read Michael Crichton's "Next" knows what's up. They're cataloging everyone's genes so the can patent them in the future. Once CRISPR technology has advanced enough, we may have the ability to change our (or at least our children's) genes at will. Want a blond, blue-eyed child who will never get cancer? Well DNA Inc. owns the rights to that "secret recipe", if you will, and they're happy to lease it to you.
This. Right here. That is the scary thing. They are able to subpoena your DNA from these companies without you ever knowing it. This story was in Dateline not long ago. Forget that. I don't care that much about my ancestors. Familial DNA is scary shit.
mooseeve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the fine print. They own your DNA if you use them.
I mean, I agree but they seem like they are such a waste of money anyway. Not only are you randomly sending in your DNA but you lose money too.
I had a guy tell me that it told him he was a quarter Hispanic. When he knew his heritage a far ways back and it was primarily German. Which eh who knows what happened.
However when he started reading off every celebrity from Brad Pitt to Abraham Lincoln, I stopped listening.
I'm saying that either the previous poster is lying, the previous poster's friend is lying, or this company is a farce. No DNA results will say 'Hispanic' as that is not a genetic population group. I get your point though.
To be fair, I work as a receptionist and it was a customer that stuck up a conversation with me a few months back. I don't remember the particulars- just the general convo. We were talking about being bilingual and somehow it led to him learning Spanish because he found out he was of some sort of Hispanic background. Which then led to Brad Pitt. I didn't particularly care from the beginning of the conversation and even less towards the end.
I mainly remember talking to my coworkers how it seemed to be a scam targeted at making you feel special because you were 3rd cousins removed on your mother's cousins side to Bruce Springsteen.
Did they say he Spanish ancestry? What company was it?
I tested at both 23andme and Ancestry.com and got the results about ancestors that I was expecting.
I also discovered I have a half brother, which I was not expecting,
They're run by the mormons down in Utah. Once you sign up for the site and request the background checks they are allowed to see all information about you, and they use that to try and convert people. That is not a theory
Rustybot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:50:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a dateline where a dude was being accused of murder because his uncle had a test done.
This isn't going to be a great comment because I can't remember the details (not positive it was even the uncle) . But, in the end, the guy wasn't the murderer.
mdmenzel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:00:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is the insurance industry getting us used to the idea of routine DNA testing so that they can use the info at renewal and sign-up time.
SlimTidy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it supposed to be a Mormon thing?
Kradget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder about the terms of service for those. Who keeps the data, for how long, all that good stuff.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since my mother is German, I just had my dad do it and did the math to make my own. He's former military so the government already has his DNA on file anyway.
I believe these are being used by the government to have everyone's dna! I mean their actively collecting everyones face using facial recognition software thanks to facebook and snapchat!
They collect all of our data about our lives via facebook!
I believe fb was funded by the nsa/fbi/cia because what once would of taken months to investigate people and find out their habits, who they associate with, up to date pictures, their movements and their phone calls/texts Facebook does all this for them' they don't need a warrent for all our info we happily give them to facebook who collects all of this!
The story of filmmaker Michael Usryโs arrest seems like it could have come straight from an episode of CSI. A New Orleans-based filmmaker known for his violent, murder-centered films, he was suspected of the 1996 murder of a young woman in Idaho Falls, Idaho. In early 2015, using DNA his father submitted to a private genetics company owned by Ancestry.com, police narrowed down on the filmmaker. Usry submitted his DNA to authorities and when it didn't match, he was found innocent. However, as Wired reports in an article today, the method the cops used to narrow down on Usry--employing private genetics companies' databases to find a suspect--brings to the forefront the already heightened concerns over the use and privacy laws of commercial DNA testing through companies such as Ancestry and 23andMe.
Everyone I've heard about that has taken these tests have been some part native American. I somehow doubt this is a very common ancestry in Norway, but it's what the target audience of these American websites want. They're at least partly bullshit, is my conclusion.
I believe selfies was pushed by the alphabet agencies too!
Also pokemon go was definitely help funded by alphabet agencies too! Because we have a whole generation using their phones to map out area's kinda look the google maps car
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm suspicious too. I think they just google the name and do a statistical analysis estimate of the history of the person.
Zeoniic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:48:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same as, I was going to do it but films have taught me to never send off samples of your DNA to be stored on a database.
mapbc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is an astoundingly powerful database.
Why are google, Facebook and Amazon such huge companies? Yes the provide a great primary service to the public... but the secondary information they can sell to companies about people's search patterns, friend circles and shopping behavior makes the powerful trackers of information.
Now imagine that on a genetic level? R&D companies are looking for genes. This is a way to get people to PAY the company and DONATE the item they need. It's genius.
Agreed - perhaps this a tin hat moment... but it's the perfect thread! I've heard that once someone has your DNA it can be replicated. I'm interested from a background aspect, the contribution to the study of where we all come from..but can't get over how the info could be used against innocent people.
Edit: fixed a typo
Yes, DNA can be replicated in the lab. It's called PCR and is a very old technique. It mimics what your cells are doing to make new cells (mitosis), but on a larger and faster scale.
Can you clarify what you mean "info can be used against innocent people"?
Of course - in that if someone provided DNA it could be used against them later in some capacity. I.e. planted as evidence in a crime they didn't commit.
i just did one of these and was pissed when it returned that i was 80% 'central american' which it claimed was a vague mix of indigenous, spanish, and african. Like uhh okay thanks I already knew that, the point of the test was to find out how that part of my heritage broke down. Ripoffffff
It's because there is not enough data for those ethnic groups. Their database probably contains mostly caucasians. The test is more for large very established ethnic groups, anything other than those and it's basically a guess because the data just isn't there.
One of those big companies recently changed their terms of service to say that they now own your DNA profile
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone I know who has done one has been replaced. Yesterday I went swimming with my mom and sister and both of them started to twitch and shock the water a bit when they went to get in.
But how are they getting the DNA match if they have nothing to match to?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've been around for many years. I think it's just recently more and more people are getting this done because of the commercials from Ancestry.com.
Well, I'd say you're right to be suspicious. The fact that DNA sequencing is a LOT cheaper than even a few years ago, plus a brilliant business opportunity.
If you've ever used ancestry, and you meet a doppelganger down the road.... be VERY suspicious.
I am in agreement. What database are you being attached too? The LDS have one of the biggest ancestry archives on the planet and you have to ask if this is associated. If so why does a church need this data? Line up people. Left to hell, right to heaven?
Would it be possible to store the blood collected after a babies heel prick after it was birthed at the hospital? Or is it incinerated immediately after collection? Example being a doctor or nurse reading this has actually preformed the physical disposal personally.
I think it's just trying to market the technology as a private enterprise. Why else would someone want to pay someone to sequence DNA if they aren't a biologist? Sequence your own DNA? That's kinda cool. Find out your genetic history, possible genetic diseases? That's a decent service to offer with the technology available.
Now, what are they going to do with your DNA data? hopefully something useful, some big data would be a decent thing to do with it.
The DNA test is also totally volunteer, you actually pay to have it done, it's a service.
Also, most people wouldn't know how to interpret the results of a DNA sequence.
Reminds me of how people who were in the Boy Scouts of America often had trips to police stations for tours where they would take thumb prints for "fun", when in actuality they were collecting them to add to their database.
Wait.... I thought this was basically true, but less sinister and involving the Mormons. Basically, the Mormons believe that a soul can be saved even after death and somehow they get to claim extra souls for God through the ancestry and DNA sites they run.
The reason Easy-E died of AIDS is because Suge Knight murdered him. Hired someone to inject AIDS infected blood into his system. Suge even alluded to it on Jimmy Fallon's talk show.
Naw 2pac was going to leave Death Row to start Makaveli records which would've led Suge and the label in financial ruin, so to avoid that Suge had 2pac killed and TRIED to keep all of the songs 2pac made but 2pac's mom actually got the masters and publishing rights. Why do you think 2pac had SOOOOOO many songs that were never released? He made a crap load of songs to fulfill his contract to Death Row Records.
Edit: ok y'all I thought this was a conspiracy theory thread lol. I'm just saying what my thoughts are.
Edit 2: yea I'm aware Suge was in the car with 2pac at the time, perfect alibi IMO.
Many people have come out and said that was a lie, deathrow bailed him out. There isn't a single pic of Jimmy iovine and 2pac together.
Never heard 2pac shout out interscope records the way he did with deathrow
Edit: go watch DJ vlads interview with 2pac close friends and family from last month, they say Jimmy is full of shit. Sorry to disappoint you
Why didn't Jimmy say anything 20 years ago? Why wait until now? The outlawz said it best: its convenient timing, why mention it over 20 years later? And why is it only being revealed in a documentary they are promoting?
limsol45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, 2pac probably thought the same thing and that's why he loyal to Suge and his friends thought the same thing. He wasn't shouting out Interscope because he was signed to death row, which sounds more of home grown record label than big Interscope. Interscope was owned by time warner and wouldn't let them bail out Pac, so they fronted Death row the money.
Sounds very convinent, why the hell didn't he mention it before? Why didn't he let 2pacs mother know? Why wait 20 years and only "reveal" it in his documentary. Why didn't he correct anyone for the past 20 years? Theres so many documentaries mentioning suge bailing out 2pac, wouldn't jimmy iovine be pissed at that?
I mean its amazing publicity, well it would have been 20 years ago.
Seems to me like jimmy is lying, and the people who knew 2pac seem to think it too. All he has is a piece of paper apparently written by 2pac.........no photos with 2pac, no sort of correspondence, nothing at all. Did 2pac even know of jimmys existence? Heck even madonna, sting, tim roth, Kiss and others have known 2pac, so it wasn't like he had a problem mingling with certain people.
Because interscope wasn't supposed to bail him out, but since they knew how much he was capable of selling they had to. It's in the HBO series, the defiant ones.
The only person I've seen try and claim that Jimmy is lying is daz dillinger, and this dude even said "suge came to yall, and took that money to bail him out. That was his money." And that shit don't make any damn sense, it was his money, but they took it from iovine?? It's like these dudes are trying to discredit iovine just because they don't like him. Probably because death row crashed and burned and they hella salty. If you have any other proof of others saying Jimmy lied, id love to see.
Funny how there isn't a single picture of 2pac and Jimmy together.
Or how 2pac has never mentioned him
Oh and explain why it took Jimmy 20 YEARS to come out with this ground breaking claim.
Funny how it comes out in this new documentary, and it's never been heard before it.
Edit: and another thing to note is that 2pac conspiracy theorists (the ones that believe suge killed 2pac) often point to suge bailing out 2pac as a big part of why 2pac wanted to leave deathrow (2pac was being controlled apparently)
2pac was never gonna leave death row, he said himself makaveli records was going to be under death row and the outlaws just confirmed it last month in an interview with DJ vlad
Suge went into financial ruin with the death of 2pac, deathrow records collapsed and suge went to prison, so no he didn't benefit from his death.
The first person suge met out of prison was 2pacs mother, they had a friendly relationship.
The only person who benefitted from a death was diddy. After biggies death diddy's career skyrocketed, but no one ever suspects him of killing Biggie.
I've never heard the interview on him saying it would be under Death Row Records BUT that could accurate idk. I'm pretty sure I remember reading his mom had to take Suge to court over her Son's music though, but it's been so long since I looked into this stuff you could be completely right about all this. I do agree about Diddy though.
I don't think suge actually owned deathrow anymore when 2pacs mom sued. Pretty sure she sued the new owners.
2pac has it written down on the original makaveli track listing which states makaveli records will be distributed under deathrow records. And the outlaws also confirmed it recently with DJ vlad.
And they also planned deathrow east for the east coast, 2pacs at the MTV awards talking about it.
Suge was in the fucking car. I dont care how crazy he is hes not trying to kill someone by having someone else shoot up the front passenger seat of a car he is driving.
Pac got in a fight with some gangsters earlier that night is all.
Yeah suge is a crazy ass mofo. He is bulletproof, you better believe it.
KMFDM781 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:16:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tupac was a kid from the east coast who wanted to play gangsta and fucked with some real G's who don't give a fuck who Tupac is. They ain't playing and they live that life every day....they sure don't take kindly to outsiders who roll in talking shit while hiding behind their big posse.
I thought so too when I watched it. I was watching some interview from what I assume is his office and in the background he's got rifles in display cases on the wall lmao
No he didnt. if you look at vladtv compton police interview they explain it thoroughly. they beat orlando anderson up in vegas and orlando came with boomblam later that night. simple as that.
hicow ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:50:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Puffy didn't put a hit on anyone. He's soft, and aside from that, he's a businessman. Pac being dead wouldn't have made any difference to Puffy.
Uhh read up on Puffy. I'm not saying he's John wick but the dude came up with a very real crowd of people, lots of ties to real gangsters and drug pushers in a big way. Pretty much everyone that came out of the NYC rap scene in that era was tied in with legitimate murderers and criminals
He's responsible for 2Pac's death in the sense that the person who shot Pac was actually trying to kill Suge. Pretty sure he actually confirmed this recently.
Diddy killed big and tupac. He benefited the most from their deaths. He's talentless when it comes to music and rapping, but all of a sudden he's the biggest name in hip hop.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:58:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy this. Big was his golden goose. He was well known in the industry before Bigs death. Hes always been more of a businessman and producer than a rapper. I guess you could say he certainly became more famous as a musician after Bigs death (he never had an album before it so we don't really know) but he could have done the same with Big still alive.
You serioiusly think that his garbage music would compete against Big and Pacs music if they weren't both murdered? His wealth increased astronomically after their deaths. He played up being the sad best friend to make his career blow up. He then tried to control hip hop and strangle out competition for about a decade. Look into his past. I honestly believe he's personally killed more than 1 person and has a record of beating the fuck out of people when he snaps.
Suge probably used by FBI to kill off prominent rising voices of influence and protected over the years. Nothing gets the Hollywood treatment unless they want the official story blasted out there to sway population.
Chaos773 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:26:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit skeptical, do here are a few questions:
Why would Suge Knight would know Eazy's blood type? Are medical records that easy to get into?
Assuming that Suge was able to find out, which, admittedly, could happen, wouldn't Suge be faced with the next problem of finding someone with AIDS and a compatible blood type with Eazy so he kills him slowly with AIDS and not with blood incompatibility?
At this point, wouldn't it be easier to dispose of Eazy some other way?
I mean, Eazy was promiscuous. My thought is that it's more likely he got it from one of his partners. Bit Not defending Suge, but it seems like an excessive amount of trouble to go through to kill someone.
no one injected him, Suge had him raped at gunpoint by a guy with AIDS when the whole Dre contract thing happened.
Mr_Mars ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 04:44:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many times? A receptive partner's risk of contracting HIV from anal intercourse is about 1.5% if ejaculation occurs. As far as assassination methods go that's inefficient as fuck. Injecting infected blood would be a better way to go but better hope the blood type matches. Seems like a lot of work to go to either way. I have no problem believing that Suge Knight has killed a lot of people but this is way too elaborate for a dude who runs a someone over in front of witnesses.
chlou ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 04:52:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ripping the skin ups the chances, and anal rape would probably cause tearing
Mr_Mars ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 04:59:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but again, we are talking about a dude who is currently on trial for running someone over in broad daylight in front of witnesses. Suge Knight is dangerously violent and probably a sociopath. I don't disagree that he's probably connected in some way to a lot of deaths in hip hop over the past couple of decades. But this is all way too elaborate for him. If he'd wanted to kill Easy he would have hired someone to shoot him, or maybe shot him himself.
In my mind it's far more likely that Suge would talk it up as if he'd done something to Easy because Suge wants everyone to know what a hardass motherfucker he is. Maybe he implied it but that doesn't mean he did it, and given his other crimes it doesn't really fit his style.
also you have to ignore eazy's past drug use, which is the most likely way that he became HIV positive, so...
Mr_Mars ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:19:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's not like Eazy was known for his clean living. Him getting hiv from drug use or unprotected sex isn't exactly far fetched.
I actually looked up the quote from Suge Knight when he was on Kimmel, and he was responding to Kimmel coming out wearing a bullet proof vest as a joke.
They got this new thing out that people sell them all the time. They got this stuff they call, they get blood from somebody with aids, and then they shoot you with it. So that's a slow death, the Eazy E thing, you know what I mean?
So maybe he did that. But it still just doesn't seem like the way he rolls, and Suge seems to me like the kinda guy who'd want to claim credit for things he didn't do to pump up his reputation.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 08:09:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is such a fucking psychopath. Just sitting there casually talking about it, laughing and smoking a cigar. Why the fuck would abc even have this scumbag on as a guest?
GA89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:14:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting better ratings gets you more money probably.
TBH, the "Suge jabbed Eazy with a poz blood syringe" thing has been a meme for aaaaaaages. I would be totally unsurprised if Suge mentioned that one specifically because it's the biggest conspiracy about him out there, next to "Suge did Pac/Biggie". Plus it adds a hint of the sinister that he'd be willing to joke about that on national TV, like a Cosa Nostra boss who fears nothing and no one.
I mean, if it was into the early 90s, he may just not have known. SO much information coming out about AIDS at the time was biased, incorrect, or otherwise misleading, and it leaves one surprised that more people didn't contract HIV because of all the stories saying shit like "white guys can't get it" and "you get it through gay sex and that's it nothing else"
I thought it was the HHH disease at that point, because only Homosexuals, Heroin addicts, and Haitians were the only ones getting it? Or was it GRID by that point?
GRID came about in 1982, in 1985 they started using AIDS instead. I remember reading that the "white guys can't catch it" shit stopped real fast when all of a sudden a bunch of white male junkies showed up in hospitals with Kaposi's Sarcoma.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:42:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't injected into him......Suge had some guy with AIDS rape him when he confronted him over Dre's contract. That whole story of Suge "threatening" EZ? Yeah, he had him raped at gunpoint so as to lose any credibility if it came out.
Edit: Not to mention, do you know how hard it is for a guy to catch HIV from a female, especially during vaginal sex? It borders on the close to impossible range. There is an old joke I have heard an HIV/AIDS counselor make: what do you call a straight guy with HIV? A liar. It's a shitty job, and just like any shitty job there is gallows humor.
I don't know if you were alive at the time, but there were a lot of rumors that he was bisexual before he announced his diagnosis. There was talk about parties/orgies at his house for years.
Am I saying that is how it happened? I don't know, there are a ton of people who think he really doesn't have HIV and took a large sum of $$$$$ to bring HIV front and center as something that could "happen to anyone". The HIV drugs at the time somehow kept him incredibly healthy while everyone else was dying.
Who knows, but the odds of him getting it thru vaginal sex is almlost zero. The odds of getting it while having anal sex with a woman is higher. Maybe he has herpes, which would make it easier to catch if he had active sores at the time. Maybe he took a huge payday and doesn't have it at all? Only he knows the answer.
You're talking out of your ass, receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner HIV positive is 0.82%. Vaginal sex is from 0.07% to 0.55% depending on the stage of the source partner. This was the 80s when AIDS was not well understood and antiretroviral therapy wasn't as advanced as it was today.
The difference in probability of getting AIDS from having copious amounts of unprotected sex with many different women over several years, compared with the possibility of getting it from being raped once by a man is not even comparable. Also there is no evidence he was raped, and he likely would have gone to a doctor if he was. It's far likelier that he would have gotten it from a women.
ilikewc3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get some supporting evidence on this? Sounds like an interesting one
EvanyoP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you link the episode
spvcejam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we are going hip hop beefs I think Tech9's crew killed Mac Dre.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a link? Would love to see that.
kevl9987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smh it's not conspiracy if it's fact EAZY E WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE WANTED TO REFORM NWA WITH DRE AND ICE CUBE AND TUPAC WANTED IN AND DEATH ROW WASNT GONNA GET A CUT THATS WHY PAC DIED SOON AFTER OPEN YOUR EYES
I don't believe this one for a second. Easy-E was well known to fuck everything and anything that walked, and he is one of those "never left the hood" rappers. Even when NWA was making money he was still fucking sluts down on Crenshaw. Didn't like condoms. Even Dr. Dre made a comment once to the effect of "we all did wild and irresponsible stuff back then, E was just the one who paid for it."
little far fetched. Eazy E was running through hood pussy and wasn't wrapping it up tight and AIDS was more prevalent in 95 than it is today. Suge will say anything for some notoriety
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:16 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bruh dude is an ASSHOLE. he ran over some dude in the Straight Outta Compton set after learning they were showing him as a villain in the movie (rightfully so)
timtom85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:43 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be an awfully slow way to murder somebody. It may take many years before an HIV infection manifests as AIDS, and even after that many years before the patient dies. With today's treatments, you may in fact never die of it.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's not how AIDS works bud lol
1aeiouyy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:16:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone thats replying and even yourself should be ashamed. Its Eazy-E, cmon now. Show some respect for the deceased. Also, go M's!, you mediocre miscreants
I am 100% convinced my barber is cutting my hair longer and longer each time. The city tore up the road in front of his shop months and months ago and are taking their sweet time fixing it. I'm convinced he keeps cutting my hair longer since then because this means I need more haircuts more frequently and this makes up for the lost business from the road being torn up.
[deleted] ยท 8487 points ยท Posted at 21:27:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know it's time to bring it up with him when he starts putting hair extensions in.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 06:31:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GTA: Online is worse. I choose to go from a buzzcut to pink cornrows and she leans in front of me with scissors and when she moves back, I have new hair and highlights!
At least it isn't as strange as WoW's barber... they can change your face with those scissors in addition to making a bald guy have hair.
They can even reshape horns from Tauren and Draenei, remodel dead skin in undead, reshape tusks in Trolls... etc.
"I'm tell you Sam, All the IT guys are getting into pony tails now. All I do is take 45 minutes put on this hair extension then we're gonna talk randomly awkwardly bullshit for about 25 minutes while I cut this all down into place, just another $25 on top of what you normally pay and gratuity of course."
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 03:34:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A guard is the attachment that goes on an electric shaver. They are numbered, and the higher the number the less hair is cut off. If you asked your barber to take it all off then that means he wouldn't use a guard.
regoapps ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:45:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 guard leaves 3/8 inch of your hair left on your head. Your hair grows about 1/8 inch per week, so that would mean that compared to using no guard, you'd come back 3 weeks sooner.
fossil98 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:54:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ordered an electric razor off Amazon. Two haircuts later, it's already paid for itself, and without the whole "three kids, when the fuck do I find time to run to the salon" issue.
Yup, same. Got a nice buzzer from Walmart, and learned to cut my own hair. I am now very good at it, and my friends pay me $5 (or beer) to cut their hair as well.
StyleJam ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:45:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few years ago I gave up the fight with my receding hairline and got my barber to buzzcut my hair. He was concerned about it and insisted on doing it in gradual stages so I could stop him if it got too short and I didn't like it.
He was a good guy. I actually love it now but obviously, I don't need to go there anymore as I just do it at home with clippers. Shame cos I liked him.
Locuxify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me actually lol. A mystery neighbor washed something sandy in the communal washers and fucked up my laundry. Their sand is on my socks and undies. I needed a laugh. Thanks for that!
from what i can gather from your countries rather opaque statistics, somewhere between 5 and 10 people have died to gun violence since i made that comment.. so yeah, i'm guessing that horse has bolted already?
Sharp as Arrested Development, snarky as Parks & Rec, fast-paced as Archer, and altogether unexpected content akin to Party Down. This year's promising series, for sure.
All episodes written by Mr. & Mrs. E. E. Cuttings, hence the show's all-lowercase title.
I like this conspiracy theory the best because when I was a kid, the barber shop was always where I would actually hear all the conspiracy theories, what the Illuminati were up to, and that sort thing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he means cutting it longer each time, as in keeping it longer than usual so he'd make more frequent visits
tara75 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 00:32:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a barber that has the street that we're on being torn up! This is so funny hahaha. I would never think to do it but I could totally see another barber using this technique. Also hair grows 15% quicker in the summer.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:01:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you cut people's hair 15% shorter in the summer to compensate?
This road renovation phenomenon is very common here in Montrรฉal, and my actual theory is that because the mob owns most construction companies (this was proven in a public inquiry) they do this to run people out of business who refuse to pay "insurance"
I'm convinced my hair colorist is doing less and less so I have to come in more and more. He just moved from a big salon to make his own with a few coworkers. It's freaking me out. You're not alone. I think about this multiple times a day.
mbelf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:54:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually:
"How would you like it done today?"
"Just the usua..."
"And we're done. That'll be $38 dollars."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me, the opposite.
My local barber spot has exploded in popularity in the last year or so. No idea how or why, I've been going there almost five years, and for the past year or so, they're literally booked out (every slot, every hour, every day) for a month in advance. Glad that they're doing well, but harder and harder to get in.
Last few cuts, the barber cut my hair WAY shorter than I asked- it still looked good, but he cut off like more than double what I asked. Talked to two friends about it, they said their recent cuts were really short too.
Seems like they might be deliberately cutting aggressively to try to keep the crowds more spread out. Get guys to come in every 6-8 weeks or something rather than every 4 weeks. That kind of thing.
riptaway ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been noticing the same thing with my hair dresser (I'm a chick but I do have short hair) I tell her every single time that I want way more cut off than the last time but now it's just getting ridiculous. It might as well be a bob now.
Peil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah how does this guy get his haircut? "Hello sir, one haircut please". I ask for a one on the back and sides or a skin fade, I'm gonna know if he doesn't give me what I asked for!
Is your barber named Art? Because I have a customer that's a barber who recently had major construction on the street in front of his shop, and he's done nothing but tell me about how it killed business
Wait, a barber cutting hair too long for once? I wish I had that problem.
Vok250 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you me in an alternate reality? I just changed barbers because of this reason. And my barber also is on a road closed for construction all summer. And I also relate to your username.
You can't cut someone's hair longer. Are you trying to say that he cuts less than the desired amount every time? If so, don't you look at the finished product before you leave his establishment? You comment really makes no since yet it's the top comment. I'm so confused right now.
So maybe he normally leaves with a hair length of 3x, maybe x is inches or mm or something idk. Lately it's been closer to 3.3x or 3.5x. Meaning the hair gets scruffy a teeny bit sooner, making it a 2 week cut instead of a 3 week cut. Its not noticeable to the eye.
More likely op's hair is just growing fast right now
Except this is illogical. Logic would indicate someone who prefers a style of short hair or a clean shaven head would also continue to like that and thus go to his barber more frequently. When one has long hair, a month between cuts wouldn't make a difference as much as a shaved head.
AnnieL10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is odd, our barber is doing the same thing and the road has been torn up for some time.
weggles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give him an extra tip. My city did extensive construction and it was hell for businesses...
ijoju ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I learned recently there are two ways to cut the hair at the sides of your head. One uses clippers and comb and is basically your standard fade. The other uses scissors and fingers and is called Square Layers. Square Layers makes your hair seem like it's growing slower while a Fade makes your hair grow in bushier and seems like it's growing faster.
I mow a few yards in my neighborhood every week. When the weather has been dry I cut the grass higher so they will still need me to come back every Friday.
HerrXRDS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems one easy to prove theory with the help of a ruler.
ever wondered if the Barber has a crush on you, and does it so you can visit the Barber often and this way gets to spend more time with you ? The fact that you keep going back, does not help the cause either.
losian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last I knew businesses receive all kinds of monies for that kind of shit based on their expected traffic and lost income and such.. if he's losing money.. well, he shouldn't be.
Name of the shop please so we can make it official the same guys are doing it to all of us.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this about my barber as well. Except I think they cut the low part of the neck longer down the neck so that it will grow and irritate me sooner. Same thing for hair around the ears.
LewixAri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just ask him to cut it shorter when he's done, just go "yeah can I get a little bit shorter here and here" then just tip the dude like hell must be rough on business, I'm sure he appreciates your loyalty
Am I reading that right? Cutting it longer? How does your hair get cut.. longer?
Shalnar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to find a great barber, try getting him referrals! :)
toekneeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, if only there was a way to suggest your barber to cut a little bit more before he finished.
xvilemx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't live in Boulder City, NV do you? Same thing happened to my Barber. They tore up the street right in front of the place, and it's now just gotten fixed up, 4 months later. I get a 2 guard on the clippers, so it's easy for me to tell he's not cutting my hair longer, but that's not to say that wouldn't be a good tactic.
bdd4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure my previous eyebrow lady was doing this. Damn crooks.
shurdi3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you don't I? We go to the same barber shop, next to the bakers right? That barber is a wholesome guy- I'm a regular too. I see a guy in there as frequently as I am getting his hair trimmed, just the other day, in fact, I was looking at the guy after the barber had finished and thought to myself 'that trim looks longer than usual'. Small world, maybe I'll see you in there in a couple weeks time, I'm the guy with the red scarf by the way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard of anyone cutting hair longer. I know what you mean but it sounds weird. Your barber is leaving your hair longer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me everytime i get my hair cut I'm pretty sure my receding hairline goes back further and further.
If only man had invented some kind of short piece of some kind of material, maybe with units of measurement marked along it, that could be used to verify or refute this....
The place I get my haircut has a sickening level of road work in front of it as well. It's like a maze of orange barrels trying to navigate the intersection. I wonder if this theory holds any credence.
iiiiiiI would like to know thennnn why WISH.COM keeps trying to get me to buy weird penis shaped things and weird underwear with penis holes all over my stuff. I never say anything about these things and I also never listen to people who...use these things.
Wish shows more of what you click on. I fucked my wish all up by clicking on dumb shit like fidget spinners and weed grinders to show my husband to laugh at. Now it shows me products I don't want.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone remember this woman ? She was allowed to wear a strainer on her head for her license photograph because her "religion" was pastafarian. Also, if you google pastafarian it seems to have taken off.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? Iโll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and Iโve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and Iโm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Youโre fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and thatโs just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little โcleverโ comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldnโt, you didnโt, and now youโre paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. Youโre fucking dead, kiddo.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly lost count , i have been replying to everyone that messaged me directly tho, let them know their efforts are not wasted, i am gonna be eating so much pasta the next few weeks
I sent a pasta recipe to a similar account once, theyโve since deleted their account though. Perhaps my pasta was so tasty they didnโt need any more recipes.
To be honest, the girl at the end had me a bit confused as to your intent here....like, a pasta sculpture of a girl, or a girl covered in pasta, or like a weird sex thing....I mean, this is REDDIT.
Also /u/omgitsjo shared a very delicious recipe that i tried yesterday, it was great. copying from his PM :
This is my grandma's recipe, as passed down to me from my parents.
Begin with Italian spicy sausage, at least 5 links.
Add olive oil to a large pot and set to medium heat. Add the sausage immediately. Let the sausage brown on all sides, turning it regularly. Get it as close to burnt as you can without actually getting there.
Add a 16oz can of tomato puree, a 16oz can of crushed tomato, and a tiny 4-6oz can of tomato paste. Add a half-bottle of wine and about 8oz of water. Cover (and I mean COVER) the surface in oregano. Add about a tsp of black pepper and a 2tsp of salt. You may need to add more salt later.
Add chopped garlic. 1-4 cloves.
Put the lid on the pot, but leave it ajar so that the steam will condense and drip back slowly while some of it escapes.
Perform the following every hour for 6-8 hours: As the gravy boils down, add wine and water in 8oz steps to bring it back up. Do not add wine or water in the last 45 minutes of cooking. Add additional garlic, as garlic that cooks longer has a sweeter flavor and garlic that's less cooked has a more robust flavor. The combination of different levels of garlic makes it delicious.
Bring water to a boil. Add pasta. Thin sauce means thin spaghetti. Thick sauce means thicker spaghetti.
When the spaghetti is cooked, strain in a cauldron. Add one scoop of gravy to the receiving pot to keep the spaghetti from sticking. Alternate scoops of spaghetti and sauce.
Eat.
MacScot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:45 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ZOMFG - I cannot wait to try that recipe in the bottom of your mail!
I have a great pasta recipe with lamb - I'll look it out and send it to you!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea!
exn18 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:42:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna PM because you don't tell me what to do. With that said here's my favorite pasta dish:
-3 lbs chicken breast
-2 cans stewed tomatoes, not drained
-1 can diced, not drained
-can or small jar of kalamata olives, drained
-2 lemons, halved
-handful of basil
-2 or 3 tablespoons of butter
-6 cloves garlic, minced
-half handful of oregano
-2 cans artichoke hearts, drained
-third bottle of pinot grigiot. Cheap is OK, but not bottom bottom shelf
-2 cans chicken stock.
-third can beef au jus
-linguini
Flour and pan sear the chicken if you feel so inclined. Combine everything but the butter, artichoke hearts, chicken stock, and white wine. in a stewpot. Halve and squeeze the lemons. Bring to a simmer. Take the lemons out after 1 hour; squeeze them out, first. Lemon rinds add bitterness if you keep them in too long. Add the white wine. Simmer 1 more hour. Add butter and artichoke hearts. Salt to taste. Whisk in flour if you like the sauce thick. Simmer 30 more minutes. Let cool and thicken.
Cook linguini in chicken stock. Serve chicken dish over the pasta.
Modeled after chicken cacciatore, although that typically calls for a while or half chicken, not just the breast.
lmk what you think and/or what modifications you liked.
Credit to watching Gilbert cook this dish at Maxi's Bistro in Cleveland's Little Italy
tumsdout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get out of here you dirty liar! We are up to your tricks!
I love the broad reading of "issues" that people have taken.
I've gotten people that tell me depressing stories of the trials they face, the light-hearted complaints that are pissing them off, and pictures of their favorite magazines and comics.
If you want to go old school, check out Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed. Also, the original Tales From the Crypt movie from the 70s is really fun, although mostly cheesy.
Combsy13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out "Oculus" then. It's a pretty good Psychological movie about a possibly haunted mirror that l's fairly good at having you question whether or not what is happening is actually what's happening.
wardrich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first doggo was a mix of Samoyed, Husky, and Wolf. He used to check on me when I was sleeping and helped teach me how to walk by letting me hold onto his fur. I was only 5 when he died from cancer, but he was such an awesome dog.
People tell me about their days or how they are feeling... i like to make sure that they feel that they matter. Even if its one fleeting moment at a time.
Depends what you mean by "work". I've had - I'd say - 2 handfuls of gardening tips so far, which is what I've asked for. On the other hand, my garden is largely unimproved in the same timespan. So my account hasn't yet yielded any long term benefits.
Most people just PM me to correct my spelling, sad thing is I meant cool to be a noun as in a physical thing they could send. However, I like the idea that people think they're cool and take the username as a compliment so decide to PM me telling me I'm wrong, so it's a win-win I guess.
You realize this comment is gonna get you a bunch of PM's? For that reason, I think the real conspiracy is that you wrote this comment just to get some tits.
They do work, but just rarely. Dont make an account like this and expect pics to be flooding in. Itll be maybe 1 in every 3 months. Probably better rates if you arnt a lurker like me.
I've only gotten one so far. Mine isn't even that bad, I just REALLY like raw meat, is it so bad that I want to see it every second of every da... I think I have a problem.
I don't really know what I was expecting when I made this account. It was supposed to be just a joke to use as an alt, but then I ended up ditching my main account and using this one all the time. I receive grocery lists occasionally and it's actually quite fun. I get to chat with people about food. :0)
Mine worked. Except it's only resulted in me getting PM's from dickheads who think they're funny that contain a picture of an overloaded truck or a full hamper. Just show me your ejaculating penises, seriously!
gagnonca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They work, I don't even post much yet I've gotten a few names, usually they tell me other things too like how they met the person or what they like about him or her.
Water isn't free. Rainwater is, but drinking water is definitely not.
264011 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:49:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you actually can't collect rainwater without a permit, so no not even that is free.
Stooby2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:37:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF? You seriously need a permit to collect rainwater? Where do you live?
264011 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:15:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorry that was kind of a broad claim to make. it depends where you live. my home state says that it's legal, but my current state of residence has some sketchy laws about it that are essentially not enforced but collection is still illegal afaik.
Stooby2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they give a reason? I'm in the UK and we don't have anything like this.
pwny_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're fucking up your local water table depending on how much rainwater is prevented from entering the system.
It's one of those "no big deal if one person does it, but if everyone does it we're screwed, so we'll just be safe and ban it" sort of things.
Stooby2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone does it, you can buy water barrels (butts) to store it in. It's actually encouraged - use the water for gardening, washing cars with pressure washers.
NC. Here they claim the standing water will attract mosquito breeding, and therefore spread the diseases they carry. You know, cause the pond across from me doesn't.
My understanding is that while there is a shit ton of water on Earth, a vast majority of it is really difficult to get to or not immediately drinkable. Like it's trapped in ice or has salt in it etc.
cryo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:36:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean water is in short supply. Where does it go? It gets dirty.
crnext ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:43:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. I understand the specificity of clean water.
Um, i thought your local water department treats it, to make it consumable. Right? Like (no comments pls) "fluoridation" and chlorination, etc.
I am seriously confused. "Clean" water comes from a source of water that is then chemically treated and purified, then distributed by a gigantic plumbing system to sections of towns, to individual streets, then to individual houses.
If they clean what we consume how is it tjat there isnt enough? Enlarge the facility, right?
Dont hate on me for wanting to understand better peeps. I am asking legit questions, here.
Kelgand ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:59:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Southern California, so I can use us as an example as it is what I am most familiar with. It is really expensive to clean dirty water. We do have plants to do so, and making more is always an option, but it costs a lot of money to do that. There is a lot of treament that has to be done to remove bacteria, non-water liquids, physical debris, etc. Everything that isn't water has to be removed from it and put somewhere.
What we normally do is take our water from the ground. The natural aquifers have really clean water already, but the problem is that it takes a reeeeally long time to replenish them. I think I have heard a few thousand years to fill back up what we have used in recent times? This is a big part of the "short supply" people talk about. There is only so much rainfall making clean water naturally, and SoCal has had a huge shortage of rain over the last several years. The water that is easy and cheap to process to the standard of "clean" is in short supply.
We won't run out, someone will spend the money to make water treatment or desalination plants before we end up at zero available water for everyone. However, as long as we have access to enough (and I use that loosely, as we have been asked to cut back on our usage for the last 15 years) cheap clean water for our current use, no one will want to pay for the plants. Thus, a continuous period of running out.
What kills me is everyone acts like California having no water is somehow surprising???
Like it's a fucking desert. An actual desert with almost no humidity and no rainfall. This isn't a new thing. It has always been a desert. They should have built a desalination plant years ago. All of the desert dwelling countries in the Middle East use desalination plants.
Kelgand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:23:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Not only a desert, but more than one person decided that they should grow crops in it, too. I get that the soil could be good, but then the export should have been topsoil and not food.
I don't know about elsewhere, but at my local airport I've never spent more than an hour in line. But that may just be me.
delecti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't see how you can argue both that the ice will stay solid for long enough to get through security, but also that the ice will melt quickly after you get through. It just seems like a really silly balancing act when you could just bring an empty water bottle.
I'm not arguing either of those things, haha. Just that 12 hours for ice to melt was a bit extreme.
jonsboc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:11:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the whole idea of freezing your water is that it would still be "solid" when you get to the security checkpoint. and it would take a couple hours to melt a full bottle of water (unless you microwave it etc...). that was the point OP was trying make.
but that's besides the point because they wouldn't even let you bring frozen liquid past checkpoint.
I just figured it only applied for long plane journeys, like the 8-9 hour ones. It makes sense they wouldn't let you pass with frozen water though, lol. Should have figured that.
If...if you arrive at security with a frozen-solid bottle of water, it is going to take a long time for you to harvest water from it in the terminal - unless you plan on drinking just a sip every 15 minutes.
No I totally got that. It was just an extreme one. It's moot anyway-- water frozen or liquid can't make it past security. I think everyone misunderstood my tone, anyway. I was just fooling around. Sorry to have stepped on so many toes!
I have an empty camelbak on a carabiner hanging from my belt loop when I walk up to security. I wear it everywhere else, why shouldn't I fly with it? I make eye contact with as many people as I can, as a way of showing that I won't be dominated.
And then I have to explain Magic: the Gathering cards to them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Draskuul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LAX now has water fountains specifically made to fill bottles like this. Nice addition. It's a cubby in the wall near the regular fountains with a dispenser nozzle at the top.
I don't know if it's maybe different for domestic US flights, but every time I've flown, it's been a ban on containers more than that size, not just the liquids.
Not many non-US airports have those though. In the past 6 months I've flown through Dublin, Birmingham, Munich, Paris, many others. None have had fountains that I can recall. And I always search for them.
mobysan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:21:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fountains are not really common in Europe. But then, tap water is very strictly regulated here (stricter than bottled water, actually), so you don't really need a fountain; you can just use the sinks in the bathrooms. It's what I always do, and I've never gotten funny looks or anything.
PabloDX9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is water bottle and water foundation industries scam then!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree because having a water bottle is not exclusive to being at an airport. Most people have them to begin with, and you can always get a discount.
If you've ever watched people using those water fountains then you'll never want to use one again. People and germ-riddled kids put their fucking mouths right on them
Incompetence? The TSA fails horribly at it's supposed job, failing 95% of security check tests, so it stands to reason it would fail at it's secret conspiracy job too.
Actually it's probably two things in my opinion. Well, one of them is true. I do think that the whole "Selling overpriced water" is one thing but also to make people believe they are safe from terrorists
also to make people believe they are safe from terrorists
The TSA has been shown to be purely security theater. There are things that actually make us safe, and there are things that make something look safe. People prefer the latter.
Well, some of it is. They actually have some good tech, and it would be several orders of magnitude more effective if the people operating it were actually competent.
Psudopod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real believable conspiracy theory is always in the comments.
Psudopod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:12:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deeper in the comments.
jennz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:40:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a terror plot discovered in 2006 at Heathrow where liquid components to make explosives were smuggled in using soda bottles. That's why the rule was imposed on the first place. Whether it's still necessary is up for debate.
I had my refillable Gatorade bottle thrown away when I tried to get on a plane in Vegas. They wouldn't let me walk straight out the door (30 yards and in line of sight) and dump out my water without going through all the security nonsense again. Instead they just threw my dangerous Gatorade bottle into the trash right next to everyone in the security line. Doesn't seem like a safe move.
Same thing (ie an event) prompted the shoe removal thing. Thankfully that's dying out.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:06:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, all liquids weren't banned, just the size. So if you were really determined, it wouldn't be too difficult to just smuggle that same stuff through, just in more tiny bottles. Like others have said, I think it's more the illusion of safety than a real prevention
I think there's a limit to how many small bottles you can carry. Been a while since I've flown and I always traveled light, but I can remember having to take a tally of my little liquid containers.
Ew, city water? But that's got chemicals in it and it's not rated 5 Star GMO Free All Natural Vegan Cruelty-Free water!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:15:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You joke, but some of us live places where the municipal water tastes like pool water. No exaggeration. The tap is just not the first place we think of when we're thirsty.
Airport security guy here!
The reason for the "no larger than 100ml containers" is quite simple. To elaborate, the rule accepted by TSA is as follows:
No LAGs (Liquids, Aerosols, Gels) unless in containers of 100ml or less. Said containers must then be placed in a transparent (plastic usually) bag with a volume of 1L or less. Only one bag is allowed per person."
The 1L bag ensures that you can't bring sufficient amounts to create a powerful bomb.
This rule was put into place after there was an attempt to blow up a number of airplanes some years ago which was just discovered by chance. (someone was clearly doing their job though)
There are exceptions to this rule, such as baby food and liquid medicine which is then promptly scanned for traces of explosive materials.
And to those that argue that it's all just a show, put on to make the common passenger feel safe, I encourage you to bring a sharp blade longer than 6cm (the maximum allowed) and see what happens.
No system is perfect and there will always be prohibited items that make it past security but people are less likely to attempt it if there is risk involved.
The people that claim airport security is useless tend to forget that they will be stuck with ~200 strangers in an aluminium can at 30000 feet for the next 6 hours. I for one feel safe the likelyhood of an armed person with ill intentions is astronomical.
arvs17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. Well funny thing is in Singapore, once you go to your boarding gate, they will ask you to throw liquid away. Right after the inspection, you can refill your empty bottle from the water fountain.
I wouldn't think so nitrate solutions which are the base for explosives would be really easy to dilute in water and pass by TSA and create a homemade bomb in a bathroom or something. To add to that, think that you can dilute anything into water and make it undetectable let it be drugs or explosives
Heavily bearded Osama type, making an instructional video for Islamic radical terrorists. First he holds up a regular sized bottle. No! Shakes his head as a red X appears over it. Then, a la Patrick, he gestures to take the liquids and put them HERE, in these three smaller bottles! Two thumbs up, fully clothed virgins dance onto the scene, victory is achieved. Then you blow up.
P4DD4V1S ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I understand it, that is actually just a security show, it doesn't actually do anything to make anyone safer, but it does make people directly feel that security actually does something. I mean look, they kept you from taking your 500ml shampoo bottle onto the plane, who knows how many bomb ingredients have they confiscated this way?
Hoju64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one thing I love about the Dublin airport. They have kiosks that sell "Plane Water" It is a 16 oz bottle (or whatever the metric equivalent is) and they are sold for 1 euro each. The best part is it runs on the honor system and you just put the euro in a money slot. Cheap water, no waiting.
Piratian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The TSA literally does nothing. This has been proven multiple times, when people can get just about anything past them if they put any amount of effort into it. They're called Security Theater by a lot of people, because they put a lot of show into being safe but are really just acting like they do something.
I don't even give it that much weight. It's just a stupid attempt at making themselves look useful by saying, "No, we swear, this is tooootally a thing that has to be stopped. Super dangerous."
P4DD4V1S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I understand it, that is actually just a security show, it doesn't actually do anything to make anyone safer, but it does make people directly feel that security actually does something. I mean look, they kept you from taking your 500ml shampoo bottle onto the plane, who knows how many bomb ingredients have they confiscated this way?
I bring a stainless hydroflask filled with ice. Just before I go through TSA I drink any melted ice water so there's just ice inside it. If it's just ice it goes through.
This allows me to fill it up inside and have ice cold water!
I think that at first it was security but now it to help reduce weight therefore use less fuel therefore save money. Same applies for dimensions of your bags, it's to keep things small therefore cheaper to transport.
kebabwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the TSA is a massive scam for tax dollars. Have they ever actually caught anyone?
ocultada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine it's an attempt to prevent smuggling drugs
Palladog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried this once, but they forced me to toss it. SCAM, I TELL YOU!
DaAvalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Luton Airport they used to let you carry empty water bottles and then fill them with clean water from water fountains right after the security check. They renovated and I haven't seen it since though. I think I've been to other airports that have something similar
It takes less volume than half a toothpaste tube to pack enough explosive to wreck a plane mid-flight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the "no liquids allowed through customs at the airport" is nothing more than an elaborate scam to sell people massively overpriced tiny bottles of water once you are inside the aiport.
I just returned from a flight a few days ago, I forgot about this stupid rule and bought 4 bottles of Lipton iced tea (because it's amazing) and had to throw most of them away. After I passed security there was a coffee shop selling some other garbage iced tea made by a major company.
shc86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there's so many free filling stations on the other side...
Or to reduce dead weight brought on the plain. This also account for high luggage prices
gyakya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was stopped for having too much juice with me (there is like a 200ml limit), so I drank the juice right in front of the security guy. Like, it's still iny my body.. If I can literally just puke out whatever I drank right after what difference does it make?
I think this is more about the perception of security. They have rules like this that if you don't think about it too hard then it makes it seem like they're doing something useful. It's the same as putting devices in flight mode. If it was really dangerous then they'd be controlled like dynamite is.
They were happier about attaching name to a ticket at purchase.
2Kou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So one thing I really wanted to bring up and to let TSA (if they look at this sort of crap) know they should really check thoroughly.
2 weeks ago I passed through TSA (I was heading out the USA), and right before I passed through the metal scanner, they called me out and said I had water in my bag and I had to take it out.
I, so sure there wasn't any water in the bag said, "Yea sorry I got no water in the bag."
They passed my bag a second time and viola, it went past.
It's been 2 weeks and I'm currently in Okinawa when I was trying to find my usb adapter when lo and behold what do I find?
A half full bottle of water I had forgotten about from a month ago.
well, yeah...ever go to a concert or sporting event? you can't bring in water. its not because it could be alcohol...its so you have to pay the place you're at to drink.
Must be your airports. At my local (Glasgow) there is a Boots that is still fair priced. Any airport I've travelled through (all European) there have been fair priced shops there as well.
icypops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some places have "honesty boxes" for water though. Like they'll sell water for like โฌ1 a bottle but just have a box to put your money in rather than having to deal with queuing and paying at a till.
harlemrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the last time I went through the airport, they did a second security check at the gate, and made me throw out the drink I had just bought after security for the flight!
It's pure Security Theater. Something visible to look reassuring.
It actually started when there was a rumor of terrorists planning to blow up a plane by sneaking bottles of pure Hydrogen Peroxide on board. Not the 3% stuff you buy in drugstores- pure. Which is ridiculous. The stuff is so unstable that they'd likely blow up or dissolve their car while parking at the airport curb.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a all or none scenario. Sure we could have TSA check everyone's liquids, but that would end up in a lot of wasted time and arguments. Easier just to say no liquids over 4 oz.
Yeah. Two three ounce bottles of the right chemicals can mix to make a plenty powerful explosion. The size limit doesn't really mitigate the threat tbh
Nah it's born from an actual terrorist attack called the bojinka plot. Places that have captured markets always jack up costs - movie theaters, theme parks, etc
There is a reason why balloons pop at high pressures, outwards and not inwards. Even the slightest decompression inside the cabin of an airplane means that all containers will automatically lose the constant air pressure they had on the outside, allowing for expansion on the inside.
Basically, if 3 is on the outside, 2 will stay on the inside. But if that 3 becomes a 1, 2 will break out. Therefore, it as an extreme precaution that all liquids should not be a 2, but instead be equal to 1, so to make sure it never breaks out whatsoever in the off chance that 3 does become a 1.
However, those airport shopping stores can go f*ck
themselves
Can you please place your seat in an upright position? We cannot take off if your seat is at a 91 degree angle instead of the 90 degree take off position.
To me this is utter nonsense and control tactics at its most petty. The only person it ends up inconveniencing is the person behind you.
Project Bluebook was a real program in which the US government purposefully made UFO sightings appear to be a government cover up. In actuality the UFO sightings were of the B-2 bomber, F-117 and other experimental aircraft. The military used the UFO sightings to cover up the development of these aircraft.
I believe this program never stopped and the government loves the idea of UFO and Alien conspiracy because it makes the government appear more powerful while simultaneously misdirecting the public.
Edit: for clarification
I definitely misspoke when referring to the B-2 and project blue book. It would have been the SR-71 that was being covered up. UFO reports were indeed made when the B-2 was being tested at area 51. The military didn't actively perpetuate those sightings the same way they did with the bluebook, just let them continue.
Also, a lot of people are recounting their personal sightings of UFO's that defy physics etc. While some of these I would maintain could still be military aircraft by no means am I saying all UFO's are explainable. I'm talking specifically about the idea that the government has found, made contact with aliens and reversed engineered their spacecraft. I would wager that the governments of the world have marginally more knowledge regarding true UFO's than the average citizen.
Ganglebot ยท 2926 points ยท Posted at 18:55:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also what I believe.
In addition, they know a certain segment of the population will hunt out conspiracy theories. The government actively engage these people with exciting, fantastic and sexy stories of alien space wars, alien-human hybrids living among us, and secret space programs. These keeps the conspiracy types occupied and out of their hair for real secret programs (which are not fantastical in anyway).
I remember reading a story, or watching a docu somewhere about this. There was a guy who was certian he had observed UFOs somewhere in the US southwest. He let someone know, and one day the government showed up. Asked him all about it, he told them everything he knew. They confirmed everything he said. He was in fact communicating with aliens and whatnot, and should keep studying them and reporting his findings to them.
The truth?
The gonverment had been testing helicopters in the night. These are the lights he'd seen and radio signals he heard. They wanted to deligitimize him. Make him look crazy. It worked. No one ever believed him after this.
This works for many reasons and is a clever tactic.
Paul Bennewitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz was this guy. Weird story, involving rumored alien bases (in Dulce NM) and cattle mutilations. An Air Force intel officer claimed to have fed this guy a bunch of invented UFO lore.
IIRC, the government really messed with him badly. Kinda ruined his life and sanity. They feed him as much conspiratorial ufo disinformation as they could. Really messed him up. My recollection is that the agent who befriended him, used him ( for no obvious purpose at that point) and feed him the information which subsequently caused his breakdown, has no remorse for what he did. Nice.
Lazar is a minor scam artist, although I know lots of people who believe he was originally fed some nonsense to feed back to the UFO cultists. Bennewitz, by all reports, was a total innocent with a somewhat fragile personality who was trying to do the right thing and was basically led to insanity by a rogue USAF counter-intel jerkoff.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:11:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. And this no doubt was a driving force behind the whole alien abduction/government conspiracy craze that was so popular back in the 80s and 90s. We probably wouldn't have had shows like the X-Files if not for this.
Hypernormalization by Adam Curtis has a section detailing such events.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing about people who claim to see UFO's and especially when they claim they were abducted. Everyone thinks they're nuts. I think if I ever saw anything I couldn't explain I would never mention it.
hikerfag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they didn't really much other than broadcast that man's delusions. No person totally soundv of mine would go straight to aliens. Most of us would realize it was an unfamiliar aircraft. So the government didn't make him seem crazy- He was crazy.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell you feel very strongly about this documentary
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. I just believe it's accurate and we need to bring peace to the planet.
he cant prove agents ever showed up. all he can prove is a couple of men showed up in suites talked to him and left. (could be any number of religions out there that did it and thats assuming anyone even noticed)
I wholeheartedly agree except for the programs not being fantastical. I would wager that some of these programs might have technology that sounds fantastic, albeit based in reality.
superkp ยท 606 points ยท Posted at 19:49:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a cracked article maybe 10 years ago of all the weird (unclassified) weapons that they had.
One was literally a pain ray. Like it made you feel like your skin was on fire. It could be blocked with a normal piece of plywood or a mattress, but then your hands are still wrapped around the sides and you drop your barrier.
After something like that what would they have that's still classified?
psm510 ยท 552 points ยท Posted at 20:08:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That weapon was on the history Channel. It looks like a large TV satellite that you point at people to boil the water under their skin or highly irritates them somehow. It was supposed to be used to get rioters to disperse
kyebosh ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:00:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems counterintuitive, but that's how IEDs or other ordinance is dealt with. Why risk a technician's life to defuse when you can use $50 worth of boom to reduce the whole problem to dust?
Whalez ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:47:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing a similar riot prevention weapon that uses sound waves. Like how a laser emits light in one concentrated beam rather than disperse it 360ยฐ like a lightbulb. It emits a sound wave that can only be heard if it's pointed directly at someone. And the sound is apparently so strong it will drop anyone in a couple seconds. Don't think this one is top secret though because they visited the HQ of the company that created this thing and tested it out.
Similar. what /u/Whalez is talking about is a concentrated sound cannon with audible sound that's just super loud. It's called the LRAD and in use by some police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMyY3_dmrM for crowd control (riots, etc.). What happened in Cuba is that the Cuban gov't is accused of using a sonic weapon (that is not heard in the human range) to deafen diplomats working on the island. Because the diplomats couldn't hear the super loud & constant sound, they didn't know their hearing was being damaged. This is much more nefarious and damaging than using the LRAD for crowd control.
Yes. Conditions have to be perfect, though. I remember it being demonstrated to journalists on a rainy/drizzly day, and it had no effect.
Kradget ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something like that. I saw it described as a millimeter-band device, too. I always wondered if/how they got around giving people cancer with the damn thing.
superkp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:44:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes. in an article with like a plasma cannon and a few other things.
kebabwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have to be. Microwaves agitate the water in cells to heat up food. You send that at someone the water in their blood, skin, muscles and fat would basically start boiling.
That is 100% real and was developed to be used in Iraq and Afghanistan to detain people without having to shoot at them. I don't recall ever seeing it in use but it was on future weapons way back in the day. Similar to an LRAD.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:15:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I loved Future Weapons. Made me want to be an engineer so I could make cool stuff go boom in the future.
The thing I remember the most about it is how they considered rockets and stuff accurate if they hit within several FEET of their target. That was always an interesting thought that kind of told you how dangerous the objects were.
VeseliM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That too. The point was to get them to stop so they could either keep them away from something or to get them to stop so they could be captured without actually harming them.
I'm guessing that people who think that rubber bullets and gas would be an appropriate measure of force probably don't much care that they trashed 'the place', as it was a dirt road out in the middle of nowhere.
cobras89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just want to correct you here, but as a ND resident there was some major concerns about pollution, especially the trash left behind to be picked up and carried away as the rivers rose.
Some of the Res leaders were not very happy.
jeepdave ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just the "save the planet" irony against a back drop of trash they left. Most were just there for the attention anyway. Let's be honest, they gave zero fucks about the environment otherwise they wouldn't protest the literal safest way to transport petroleum.
Although I can't deny rubber bullets and gas would be great punishments for littering everywhere, I hardly think that 'attention' is why they showed up, or that abandoning trash by being arrested for protesting a pipeline is 'zero fucks'.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. All were arrested. Look I lived there. I still have friends there. These fucks were mostly out of staters who wanted to be "a part of something". Fucking losers every one.
Whatever it was, I doubt it merited the use of force displayed, or military tech deployed.
Pipelines may be safer, but they also leak more. Considering this pipeline is slated to go under a river, it's probably a concern that everyone downstream shares to some degree.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are the safest way to transport petroleum. Nothing is perfect. Safest possible way. These protesters were idiots.
I guess you win if you count immediate deaths, as a pipeline doesn't sneak up on you, but I'd wager the long term hidden leaks cause more property, environmental, and health issues. A train tips over and everyone knows immediately. A pipeline can leak for months, and then be hidden from the public.
Still no reason to go after those protesters in the manner they did.
I suspect the real reason is that a pipeline costs half as much as a train ride for a barrel of oil.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't get the idea that the nation was laughing at them, if anything they found it inspiring, and telling when thousands of US veterans went to join them.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone with half a brain found them to be morons.
Well, they certainly seem to have gotten under your skin.
Even if that protest had no immediate effect, it certainly accomplished getting that story into mainstream news once hired security started setting dogs on people. And look, we've had a nice conversation about it.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:14 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly a decent convo true. But any publicity isn't always good publicity.
If you're nervous about starting high school because the kids that aren't from the trailer park will pick on you is scary I get it it. Just understand that most people aren't racist nazis like you and they read books that explain the evil Nazi ideology and losing confederacy are popular material that you'll also have to read. I suppose learning to read will be the first step to being an adult you'll have to accomplish though. I'm so excited for you! :)
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you grow up kiddo your vocabulary will hopefully improve. I know most lower class and poor families from the sticks that you're use to could never afford an actual 4 year college but hey maybe you'll get that promotion at Walmart and be able to afford like a book wouldn't that be pretty cool buddy?
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:10 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are precious. You're very ignorant but that's okay. You don't know better.
Google magnetron gun. You can make one with an old microwave. But don't. My husband and I were thinking about it but we watched a couple of videos and figured if the death rays don't kill us, the asbestos probably would. But he found a way around the accessories and is now pleased with his ridiculously strong magnets.
suenrg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck dude I thought you meant Google brand magnetron gun. I was wondering if Google had gotten into the arms race.
If I'm not mistaken, it makes your nerves react by hitting them with a frequency they resonate with. It's supposed to not do any physical damage, so boiling the water in people sounds off (and gruesome).
Edit: I was wrong. Wikipedia informs us that "The ADS millimeter wave energy works on a similar principle as a microwave oven, exciting the water and fat molecules in the skin, and instantly heating them via dielectric heating." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah its actually not very good, if i recall, in a riot situation you're only hitting the front few rows who will feel the need to scatter but will be unable to, resulting in trampling. Not to mention all the potential reflection points. Anyway continue citizen.
The Afghans couldn't abstract enough to figure out that the pain was coming from the big green thing and so, they didn't know where to get away FROM, and so, it was totally ineffective at disbursing them from where we needed cleared around the base. At least at that time/place/power level. I guess if you're whole life has been pain and misery, a little more discomfort doesn't really work. I laugh at how much was spent on the program that just doesn't work on simple, poor (world poor, not US poor), rural folks.
Well exactly. If that's what is unclassified imagine what is still classified. They was developed nearly 15 years ago, who knows what could be in development now?
Along the same vein, Project Thor is worth looking up. It was an orbital kinetic bombardment platform. Basically, it would fire a tungsten rod the size of a telephone pole from space and hit the ground at mach 10 causing massive devastation.
It would be terrifying, but godamn whoever came up with that name was on point.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In modern combat, lack of penetration is actually a beneficial factor if you are intentionally going less than lethal. Less risk of civilians getting caught in the attack if it's blocked by a thin layer of wood. You can disperse a riot pretty easily that way.
Iirc it was a microwave gun. Microwaves which are tuned to the frequency of H2O (like the ones in your kitchen). Shoot it at someone, and suddenly every water molecule in its path (including through your body) begins to heat up. I'm sure that would get pretty painful pretty quickly.
Next gen tech. Some of these projects take 10 - 20 years to become viable.
My guess is minaturized rail guns. I was talking with a co-worker today and he brought up the idea of a rifle sized rail gun. The only problem is the mobile power source large enough to power it.
Also full on mech warrior suits like in Chappie, or the giant robot battle between the US and Japan later this year.
Lightning bomb. Drop a ball that somehow causes lightning strikes from clouds.
Earthquake machine. Some sort of bomb or tunnel bore that can create minor earthquakes so you can stealthily kill a city without declaring war (or a tsunami)
Hallucinogenic gas that is invisible and quickly disappears so you can stealthily screw with the enemy without officially breaking any war rules
Shield technology (something to protect a building from missiles)
It exists. Not sure if it's ever been used, but the US army had some mounted on Humvees in the early 2000s. There is footage out there of a solider taking a hit from it and describing it after.
I think they were abandoned and replaced with LRAD, though. LRAD can be small enough to be chest mounted to a soilder/police officer for crowd dispersal (OPP had them for the G20/G8 summits in Toronto a few years ago)
That's a real thing, it was designed for riot control. It's basically just a big microwave magentron. Shoots microwave beams at you to heat your skin up like a directed sunburn.
Well yeah. It's like all those various stories about 'silent black helicopters' that were going around that people kept pointing out was impossible because helicopters can't be silenced that way. Then the bin Laden raid happens, one of them crashes, and sure enough, we've have stealth helicopters for years. I try to keep that in mind every time I'm quick to denounce a conspiracy theory.
I agree. The Blackbird and Nighthawk are fucking rad.
But, not AS fantastical as aliens, UFOs, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have free access to Area 51 and just check out all the cool shit they are actually working on. That would astounding.
Maruff1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:04:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno SR-71 was pretty fantastical in 1962. That's when it first flew. Development started in 1958. Now think that was back then and it has quite a few speed records still intact. Who knows what secrets they have cooked up since the F-117 Nighthawk and the B-2 Spirit. I'm ignoring the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning they look like regular jets. They probably have some cutting edge thing flaoting around we will hear about in 10-15 yrs
Sure, but not AS fantastical as intergalactic alien visitation and abductions.
The shit they developed there is amazing through! I can't even imagine what they are working on there now. Probably a lot of drones (land, sea and air)
Maruff1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aye drones. I wonder if the Aurora Project was a thing.
They do say that the military is about 20 years ahead of what the public sees in technology. Last time there was a really big UFO conspiracy wave was in the 90's when the X-Files and stuff came out. 20 years later drones appeared to the public. :)
They always choose someone with a large ego, someone who will use it to seek attention and to be seen as some sort of messiah. This is why this whole UFO thing is going on with Tom DeLonge.
pabodie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I listened to his audiobook Sekret Machines. The whole project seems misguided and driven by ego, agreed.
I had a science teacher who said he worked at area 51. When we asked him the typical alien questions all he told us was "man it was so boring, we were just inventing stuff like super glue"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Riley Martin says "Hey man... the Biovians are real"!!
They also kidnap conspiracy theorists from the parking lots outside UFO conventions to experiment on them, knowing that nobody will believe them when they try to tell people what happened.
Idk Laser canons, rail guns, and stealth bombers are all pretty excited and relatively recent in terms of being declassified.
I'm still puzzled why no one brings up the fact we have a fucking ship mounted laser cannon that can blow up small boats. Or the fact we mounted said cannon on a plane once.
Peil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would explain why there are so many former government employees who add fuel to the fire.
My dad, (who also by the way thinks the moon landings were faked) is convinced America has a secret base on Mars and that the CIA puts mind control implants in people to act as sleeper agents.
Also aliens built the pyramids.
jsteph67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So wait, we faked the moon landings but have a base on Mars. Haha, the cognitive disconnect there is a little much.
Hey guys do yo need to watch: Sirius. An amazing documentary
Gella321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND WITH HIS CHARIOTS LIKE A WHIRLWIND, that's how Christ is coming back, in the so called mystical thing that you, that you see on the X-Files every Friday night, all those so called UFOs, these ufos are not little green men from Mars, extra terresestrials as you think,but they happen to be the spirits that dwell in heaven of god, the angelic world that's right those are the vehicles that they travel in and those are the same vehicles that they delivered the prophet of Elijah in when they took Elijah up by whirl wind and they parted him in Illisha, its the same vehicles that's coming back to save the children of Israel and when they come the white man is aware of it he's putting weapons in outer space every month on global level there sending up the space shuttle to put weapons out there to try to fight and prohibit the second coming of Christ that's why the shuttle goes up with secret military payloads, partial beam weapons, space mine, electromagnetic rail guns, kinetic energy weapons, all kind of little mickey mouse toy weapons that your sending in outer space but you think you can fight God but you cant even make a deal with Fidel Castro"
Came here to say this. Incredibly fucked up but also makes sense as far as misinformation campaigns go. The lengths agencies will go is absolutely insane.
KilRazor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:20:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, if you're interested in fun stories about teenage English wizards, you should check out Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
... I mean... as long as we're recommending books we like.
Rett__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that seems neat ill give it a go
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well written but holy crap so much woo in that book. i've never been able to tell if it's not lightly fictional because for a serious journalist who specialized in aeronautics and hard engineering he sure seemed to buy into the whole antigravity thing pretty hook/line/sinker.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:59:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, it was well written and the info was supplied well, but certainly there are parts that can't be factual.
Longer version of the rumor: The government creates the story about recovered alien space craft at Area 51, reverse engineering the technology and then using it in the Strategic Defense Initiative (the Star Wars missile defense system).
Slightly longer version of the rumor: The recovered alien technology was reverse engineered and used for our missile defense program, thus prompting a panic in the Soviet Union, eventually leading to its downfall.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In actuality the UFO sightings were of the B-2 bomber, F-117 and other experimental aircraft. The military used the UFO sightings to cover up the development of these aircraft.
While possibly not aliens, definitely UFOs:
ASTRONAUTS
"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."
โ Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury & Gemini Astronaut
"I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now."
โ Captain Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut
"...I've been asked [about UFOs] and I've said publicly I thought they [UFOs] were somebody else, some other civilization."
โ Astronaut Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Commander
"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. [...] It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
โ Captain Donald Slayton, Mercury Astronaut
"Statistically it's a certainty there are hugely advanced civilizations, intelligence, life forms out there. I believe they're so advanced they're even doing interstellar travel. I believe it's possible they even came here."
โ Dr. Storey Musgrave, NASA Astronaut
"For nearly 50 years, the secrecy apparatus within the United States Government has kept from the public UFO and alien contact information." "We have contact with alien cultures."
โ Astronaut Dr. Brian O'Leary
"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!"
โ Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.), NASA Astronaut
NASA, CIA, ARMY, AIR FORCE ETC
"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is..." (1) "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." (2)
โ Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA, 1947-1950
"We had a job to do, wether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited." (2)
โ Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Scientific consultant for Air Force Project Blue Book
"Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."
โ Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding, Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII
"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
โ J. Edgar Hoover, first Director of the FBI
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... anything you can imagine we already know how to do."
โ Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works
"This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious."
โ General Nathan Twining, US Air Force, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 1955-1958
"Unidentified Flying Objects are entering our atmosphere at very high speeds and obviously under intelligent control. We must solve this riddle without delay."
โ Rear Admiral Delmar Fahrney, USNR
"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets".
โ General Douglas MacArthur
ROCKET SCIENTISTS & PHYSICISTS
"It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system. There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."
โ Dr. Hermann Oberth, the "father of modern rocketry"
"I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis."
โ Dr. Walther Riedel, chief designer and research director at the German rocket center in Peenemunde
"The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."
โ Dr. Maurice Biot, leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist
"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future, is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles."
โ Dr. Harold Puthoff, Director, Institute for advanced studies at Austin, Author of fundamentals of Quantum Electronics
SOVIET / U.S. PRESIDENTS
"The phenomenon of UFOs is real. I know that there are scientific organisations which study the problem. It must be treated seriously."
โ Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev
"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."
โ President Harry S. Truman
"...I strongly recomment that there be a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena. I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment on this subject."
โ President Gerald Ford
"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was."
โ President Jimmy Carter
"I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."
"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside of this world."
โ President Ronald Reagan
Anyone is welcome to provide evidence that a quote is legitimately out of context, and I will remove it.
All credit goes to /u/Alx__ for compiling these. Sources for these quotes can be found at http://spaceflare.net. Many of them are on video, in context. For example, this one.
It is recognized that quotes are not proof. However:
There is compelling evidence that UFOs are physical phenomena, not imaginary or hallucinatory. They are captured on radar that only detects physical objects, and perform feats not explainable by known physics. 90-95% of sightings can be explained by known phenomena, but 5-10% cannot.
Source: The COMETA Report (published by the French government):
The former Governor of Arizona, also former pilot and Air Force officer, who witnessed the Phoenix Lights firsthand, describes the experience: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SJXMBHByZY
UFOSKEPTIC.ORG, run by professional astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, was recommended by /r/askscience Mod /u/wbeaty, who also created and maintains amasci.com, a fantastic scientific resource in its own right.
More:
Regarding physical evidence -- there is little to none, other than trace evidence like evidence of exposure to high-powered electromagnetic fields in grass where craft are said to have landed.
"The government wouldn't cover it up." - The US government didn't acknowledge the existence of Area 51 until last year.
Evidence of UFOs is compelling to the extent that to deny their existence is tantamount to science denial. Earnest study of available information makes it impossible to come away with the impression that they could be fictitious or hallucinatory. While this comment is just an introduction, it includes sources that can be explored to satisfy any doubts.
My dad worked the night shift at a store about an hour away from an air force base. He said he used to see a black triangle with a few lights fly by every once in awhile but nobody believed him until the B-2 Bomber was revealed a few years later.
The idea of ufo conspiracy theories is because of roswell where the military actually said it was an actual ufo. Then they quickly changed it to it being a weather balloon and denied their first report.
Well to be fair, it was a weather balloon. A weather balloon modified for even higher altitudes and kitted out with experimental cameras/microphones meant to spy on hostile powers then crash somewhere recoverable, but still, a weather balloon.
It turned out to be such a stupendously hare-brained idea, something about not being able to guarantee it'd fly over shit they actually cared about, that they turned their attention to extreme-altitude manned flight instead...granting us such awesome planes as the U2 and SR71.
The important thing to note is that the "disc like microphones" were commonly referred to as saucers, because of their size and shape. This the "flying saucer" mishap. They did call it a flying saucer, but they retracted their statement to cover for classified information.
The way the tech worked is very interesting, it's called project mogul, and you can learn all about it. It 100% debunks the Roswell incident.
The person that found it said on his deathbed that the item (weatherballoon) that was handed back to him for a photograph was not the same object he found. You really trust the wrong people on this one.
The UFO phenomenon peaked in the 50's when there was massive public sightings all around the world. They were seen everywhere, not just near military bases. The B-2 and F-117 didn't come into existence for 4 more decades. The U.S. military made a televised statement saying they were aware of the problem and were looking into it because they were concerned with the countries safety. Sooo
UFO's were being seen in mass well before advanced secret aircraft was being tested, decades before. Aliens is a very plausible, and most likely explanation.
And weirdly, it went away right as cameras became a bit cheaper and more commonplace.
Well no. It weirdly went away when world super powers started addressing the issue and admitting to the public they were just as confused as anyone. Both the U.S. and Russia took huge notice during and after WWII that UFO's were being reported like crazy and shortly after admitting UFO's exist they both very quickly dropped the subject and it instantly became common place to ridicule anyone who took it seriously. It's pretty obvious that aliens are/were hanging around Earth, could not hide from super power governments, and once they threw millions of dollars into investigating it they started acting really suspicious. To say "we'll definitely know when it is aliens" is extremely naive considering aliens have been around for at least the past 6-7 decades. Everything from government and military statements to pictures and videos. It obviously all comes down to personal discretion on what's real or fake but the testimonies and picture/video evidence has existed for years and continues to grow. Anyone who genuinely researches the subject can find countless evidence that aliens have/are visiting Earth, governments know, and they hide it as best they can.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:54:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that aliens don't exist. Statistically they must be out there somewhere. But do you really think that somehow they arrived here secretly? Aliens came from across the galaxy to see us, but they snuck in and went directly to the government? Or, are there maybe just some strange aircraft in the sky near an Air Force base?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:05:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except you wouldn't be taken there secretly. Especially if you don't even speak the language and nobody even knows what you're asking. And also you'd do some conquering at some point.
rblue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:21:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most are. I've seen silver saucer-shaped vehicles in broad daylight before though that hover and make no sound. Super goddamn fast as well. Two at a time, on a bright day.
Early 1980's so dunno. If they were ours, wouldn't we know by now?
Why show your hand if you don't need to? There could be extraterrestrial craft all over the place. I was talking specifically about the government finding, and making contact with extraterrestrial spacecraft. I think if there are extraterrestrials the government knows marginally more than the average person.
vile72 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Battle of Los Angeles? An experimental bomber? No
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spamming is against reddit rules. I'm sure it won't be enforced though. Understand that when people see the same exact comment by you 15+ times in one thread it takes away from your message. That doc sounded really cool the first time I seen you mention it but now that I know it's just a spam link I'm less likely to even watch the video.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's entirely up to you my friend. Best wishes.
Tldr, Dr greer put together 50 or more independent witness testimonials over 20 years releasing them all in this one documentary after the deaths of all involved.
They explain why ufo are real, why they are friendly and why it's being covered up.
All of the testimonials are from high ranking government officials who have proof of military time served. Most of the witnesses seen ufo's above nuclear facilities which ufo's appear to be particularly interested in.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:14:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just remember people when was the last time you heard about another country invading our airspace. is it easier to pass it as a ufo or admit someone another country entered our airspace.
Jeroldy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recommend you watch the documentary unacknowledged
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked with a retired Army Pilot that was a believer. His opinion was pilots have so much training and flying time there is no reason they shouldn't know what they're looking at.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:21:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I met a guy the other day that swore and even admitted that it sounded crazy this - He reports that he worked on IBM missile destroyers for the US government during the cold war. He said that in addition to stopping missiles they were also shooting g down UFO's. He talked a lot of many different things and a lot of different experiences, some were definitely embellished. He was hard to read. I work with psychotic people all day, he didn't strike me as someone with a psychotic or delusional disorder. I think he genuinely believed it as a totally sane man. It was really bizzare but I still don't believe it.
Right after WWII, the United States was taking all of the captured German and Japanese technology they could get their hands on and coming up with just INSANE experimental aircraft. Hell, even before the war was over, they smushed two P-51 mustangs together and we got the F-82 Twin Mustang.
So the USAF and USN were building all these weird aircraft and testing them out in the desert at places like Groom Lake Air Force Base aka Area 51, and at the same time, keeping our new "allies," the Russians, at arm's length. So when something like the Vaught XF5U or the Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar is spotted and/or crashes, of COURSE people are going to think it's something otherworldly!
Also, don't forget, this was the dawn of the jet age, so people hearing jet engines for the first time and seeing a really weird looking aircraft making those noises...
So, like you said...the government is always testing top secret and experimental aircraft and totally running with the whole "alien spaceship" stuff
Edit: Fun fact about the F-82. It was the last piston-driven aircraft fighter ordered into production by the US Army/Air Force but also the aircraft to fly the first combat mission (by the U.S.) of the Korean War
And honestly, if you saw the F-117 before it was public, it would alien. No plane before was angular like that. It was all black. The engines were muffled. Watching one turn and bank in the sky would almost look like some otherworldly, shape-shifting craft.
robot72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OmenQtx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to see B-2 bombers flying in the night as a kid, didn't know what they were at the time. Just large black shadows flying overhead. Then they had the first public "test flight" and the thing had a blocked fuel line. I figured out what those black triangles I had seen were that day.
I used to live in Palmdale, 30 miles from Edwards AFB and just down the street from Lockheed Skunk Works. Experimental planes flying at night were the norm for us.
I'd go further. Not just the UFO conspiracy. So many government conspiracies are about how the government is all-powerful and super capable and secretly controls everything.
While it makes for a fantastic TV show or video game plot, the government is way too terrible at doing anything for it to be real; but they would definitely rather we think them all powerful than realize how terrible they are at everything.
Why the fuck would aliens come to the backwaters (we live in the sticks) of a very average galaxy to visit half-smart apes? It's all anthropocentric nonsense. If we do encounter evidence of aliens, it will probably be their Von Neumann machines coming to exterminate us.
Bike1894 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think a transended alien species would only want destruction upon us?
thebbman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh just that they're books largely about the main character being a sentient Von Neumann probe. Rather entertaining listens and the third one just came out last week. I think they were written to be audiobooks first and a paper book second, so most people I know have listened and not read them.
So you're saying if we achieve space travel we shouldn't bother visiting intelligent life we know of because they're not as smart as us unless we plan to exterminate them?
i started looking into the released files related to CIA UFO investigations. most were probably nothing but some were strange sightings by military or other professional personal in situations i couldn't explain.
I always felt that if the government was working on something like spacecraft they would let the world think its aliens so they could deny having that tech.
I have seen a 'UFO' before. Then, about 30 seconds later, it was an 'IFO' hehe. Definitely was military testing, though. It was a twin-rotor, single-person flying harness (aka a 'jet pack'). Was painted military gray and I saw it flying low (50-100ft above the ground) across a highway near Newark, NJ sometime around 2010 around dusk. I've checked to see if it showed up in records, but I haven't seen it yet.
Thought it was a bird at first, but I realized it was too big as I got closer. Then I recognized the shape of it as one of these things.
Ftb262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really does make sense. The SR-71 was built in the 50s and the F-117 in the 70s and 80s. Why wouldn't they have been testing every possible drone option that includes much more powerful versions of the shit we can buy in Walmart now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. Me and my friends have seen some crazy UFOs over here in Connecticut.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't there UFO's in the Smithsonian museum from world war II?
anscmc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a story once that in Air Force, they'll run training operations all the time, one kind of training operation being the recovery a crashed aircraft simulated via a weather balloon, and that when alcohol is involved they decorate the weather balloon to look like an alien spacecraft so that they can fuck with the conspiracy theorist who hang out near their bases looking to catch photographs.
If you are interested in the subject you owe it to yourself to get closer to the truth. Govt using the phenomenon as cover was just convenience.
Check out Jacques Vallee's research. The alien nuts hate him because after researching the phenomenon since the 60s with Hynek, he's espousing the view that they're NOT alien spacecraft, but something more exotic that has been with us here on earth all along.
Abadatha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd believe it more if J. Allen Hyneck didn't have the credentials behind his name to be able to make determinations on mental health in the people he talked to.
This seems like the most logical conclusion because let's face it .. if the aliens Invade, I sincerely doubt the US government would have a single clue what to do about it, wouldn't know enough to stop it let alone cover it up
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's plausible to an extent, but I've shaken hands, and dined with Travis Walton. It takes a lot of dedication for the government to fake thousands of abductions for the sake of feeling 20% cooler.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have watched plenty of it, and I have watched/read things explaining them away. Occam's Razor wins out here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how about the 3 witnesses guys all in the military who witnessed a ufo above a nuclear launch base in America at the same time as all of their intercontinental nuclear missiles went offline. Not only is there 3 witnesses there is declassified documents confirming that all ballistic missiles went offline on that day.
Gonna admit, wasn't terrible curious, and I am not watching a 4-hour documentary.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tldr, Dr greer put together 50 or more independent witness testimonials over 20 years releasing them all in this one documentary after the deaths of all involved.
They explain why ufo are real, why they are friendly and why it's being covered up.
All of the testimonials are from high ranking government officials who have proof of military time served. Most of the witnesses seen ufo above nuclear facilities which ufo appear to be particularly interested in.
I meant the specific incident you were talking about with the ICBMs not working.
Kaerhis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I met a staff member at my high school who swore up and down that he saw something akin to a stealth bomber (that kind of shape) in the sky one night from his backyard. I wasn't sure whether to believe him or not, but he seemed 100% certain of what he saw.
The SR-71 blackbird was around for a looong time before being declassified. I'm sure most of the UFO sightings were experimental aircraft that we won't know about for another 30 years or so until it becomes obsolete.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If our government was really trying to cover up ufo sightings like those in the video, they all would have been killed. Simply posting a YouTube video with no legitimate sources is laughable at best. All I got from this video was people who are smart and think too much, they can't prove anything. If a life force was advanced enough to travel to earth, they would be advanced enough to have some type of cloaking device, we would never know.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:14:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the video, Dr Steve greer compiled all of these witnesses over 20 years and released them all at the same time. In this documentary, none of these witnesses testimonials were released until they were already dead. Actually watch it before commenting.
makzter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Last Podcast on the Left" interviewed someone who used to work in Area 51 and he confirmed this exact double conspiracy. Basically the US gov lets people perpetuate alien stories to help conceal some iron man type suit and other military weaponry. Pretty crazy but also kind of cute?
[deleted] ยท 5448 points ยท Posted at 16:06:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Genuine55 ยท 3743 points ยท Posted at 16:18:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's been a bunch of recently de-classified documents about the investigations into JFK's assassination. It looks like there was a cover-up. Apparently both the FBI and CIA, and several other law enforcement groups knew that Oswald was planning an assassination.
I think the cover-up was a classic cover-my-ass story of incompetence.
[edit]Fixed a wrong word.
Now Lee, when you get the book depository there's gonna be a rifle and a camera. Pick the camera up and get some shots of the president in his motorcade for us will ya?
Why's there's a rifle?
It belongs to old man Duncan who runs the building. He's a bit of a nut.
So it turns out Harvey didn't do shit. Old man Duncan framed him.
I picture Rick from Rick and Morty, Hey...hey...burp.. Oswald. Here, This...this will prove the driver is trying to kill the president. Look through this scope. See JFK in it? Okay Look at his head, the driver has an explosive device hidden in his hair. The...the...burp only way to stop it is to shoot it. Do it Oswald, be a hero. You...you have to do it Oswald, you have to shoot the president.
FnaTiiK ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just casually climbs the building with a sniper rifle to investigate a hypothetical "what if?" scenario
"Now if I was to kill the President what would I do? Maybe I'd stand here, no, here, that's right. And I guess I'd aim about here, and then when he comes round the corner I just have to adjust the angle slightly and boom- OH SHIT IT WAS LOADED?! JESUS CHRIST WHAT DO I DO, THEY'LL NEVER BELIEVE MY STORY!"
Lee Harvey Oswald... noir private investigator, framed for the assassination of JFK. He must clear his name. I can imagine the 'dame walks in' scene, featuring Jacki O.
:D
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:18:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:01:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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nerd_exe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:45:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the theories is not too far off. Oswald supposedly realized when the cops showed up at the book depository that he'd been set up. He'd had some CIA involvement before.
Oswald assassinated JFK to prove the sheer paranoia running amongst the US government. The FBI and the CIA believed they were under threat from the White House and constantly covered up information to make themselves look better. Oswald knew this so he assassinated JFK to prove years later how corrupt and paranoid the US government really is by revealing documents years later showing the CIA and FBI covering up information.
gavriloe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, he believed that he was working for the CIA. After the Bay of Pigs invasion failed, the CIA and elements of the Cuban mob felt betrayed by Kennedy (somewhat rightly so). They knew Oswald was a sharpshooter, and they contacted him claiming to be working on behalf of the CIA. Oswald was probably convinced that Kennedy needed to be taken out for the sake of the nation, and that he was following the orders of the CIA in doing so. Oswald almost certainly died thinking that he had been fulfilling the wishes of the CIA.
ITRWZK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:31:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to break it to you but if the cia contacted and paid him to do it he was in fact working for them.
Thats pretty much the definition of working.
gavriloe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But in my theory the CIA agents that contacted him did so on no authority but their own. The CIA as an agency didn't decide to kill Kennedy, rogue agents with a personal vendetta against him so that. Oswald just thought that these agents were acting on behalf of the CIA.
gavriloe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Now, I shall investigate the effects of this bullet entering President Kennedy's brain."
~crack~
"Oh no, it's all over the car now..."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:56:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd believe that they're covering their own failures. We have documents from 9/11 that showed the government figured the Saudis were funding terrorists to do something but they were shaky as to what exactly the plan was.
Think about when you "cover up" something in real life, most of the time it is covering up a really stupid mistake you made. The government doesn't want it to be immediately obvious that they fucked up and let a terrible tragedy happen.
Just to be clear, there used t o be laws that forbid the CIA from sharing info with the FBI. This is in the public's best interest - it was meant to keep the technology used to spy on our enemies from being used on us.
Then 911 happened, which the CIA had an inkling about. Now we have the Patriot Act and citizens live in a surveillance state.
I am bringing this up because you need to be careful what you wish for.
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 03:18:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was what founded Homeland Security?
The FBI, CIA, and NSA each had bits of the puzzle but it didnt make sense until after the fact.
LetsGoMs ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 05:18:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the separate agencies previously used to even compete for information and recognition, almost never working together toward certain threats. An FBI agent was roommates for a brief period with a 9/11 plotter who was being watched by the CIA, but the "wall" that existed between the agencies prevented any sort of information being shared before the attack. Since then, as you have mentioned, Homeland Security has unified the agencies. They all even had separate databases prior to the attack, it's insane.
We have documents from 9/11 that showed the government figured the Saudis were funding terrorists to do something but they were shaky as to what exactly the plan was.
My favorite is when people say "The CIA knew 9/11 was going to happen." To which I always respond "well they would be pretty shitty at their jobs if they didn't know something about it."
Hell, they could have known the entire thing, but if they had one detail off (date, flight numbers, etc) they wouldn't have been able to stop it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:27:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the expected damage was high enough (i.e. they knew they were going to try and attack sky scrapers, and that this would work as well as it does) they could have implemented some of the more effective lessons from 9/11 early. Primarily this means strong cockpit doors, but also includes education of flight attendants and working through the legal conundrum of shooting planes headed for population centers down.
LetsGoMs ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:28:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the issue is we life in a completely different world now, the CIA could not have anticipated the extent of damage the attack caused back then. Osama Bin Laden was even surprised the damage was so huge. Now we are aware of the potential of modern terrorism, but in those days an attack on the world trade center to the extent it was was just inconceivable. The US had never in it's history faced such an threat and unfortunately the intelligence agencies there to protect it were not prepared for it.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:48:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part 4 of the report on 9/11 was classified until just last year. It points out Saudi connections to the hijackers.
The US had a inkling that the Saudis were helping out terrorists but didn't know the scope or the exact plan. After it became the deadliest attack on American soil, they were not eager to point out that a supposed ally had connections to the attack.
Good thing we went straight to the source after that. It's amazing how much shit the Saudis can get away with without being held accountable. As long as they continue selling oil in petrodollars, they will never be punished by the US for any wrong doing.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:02:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Selling oil and controlling a major trading route.
My money is on Oswald's shot scared one of the secret servicemen who accidentally discharged their weapon, shooting JFK in the head. It'd explain the magic bullet issue and is the most interesting one I've come across.
The magic bullet theory is explained pretty easily by the layout of the seats in the car. The two second-row jumpseats are situated inboard and lower than the back seats where JFK and Jackie sat.
It's the most god damn retarded shit that the the Saudis have essentially gotten away with being responsible for the worst terror attack in the modern day
I am quite partial to the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald's shot missed or only injured him, and in the race to protect the President, the Secret Service agent who jumped on the car, his gun accidentally discharged delivering that fatal shot.
Wow that sounds... really implausible. Like, a million to one shot. Plus, doesn't brain matter get on the back of the car before the Agent jumped up? I remember seeing Jackie O. reach for it.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:14:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was in army intelligence, intercepting and translating phone calls. He says it's highly unlikely they didn't know the attack was coming. It was allowed to happen.
I read a great 9/11 conspiracy blog post once (have not been able to find it since). Basically the idea was that about 5 years previous there was a mini nuke in Israel that went missing. At the time in order to prevent a total meltdown in geopolitics the US covered it up. That nuke got sold on the black market to people in Saudi Arabia that provided it to bin laden. It explains the whole 'jet fuel melting steel' thing. Also it explains why all the debris was shipped off site as quickly as possible because it contained radiation. The cover up was to prevent people from freaking out further, as well as the US own incompetence that lead to the issue in the first place.
Essentially. From what I remember it was incomplete or very small or something. Not the giant city levelling explosion type. It would have been in the plane.
As crazy as it sounds, I guess the fact that so many people ended up getting cancer and all that afterward could hint to something. But I'm still doubtful a nuclear bomb was detonated in Manhattan.
My wife volunteered for six months at the site, came down with stage 3 lung cancer 10 years later. She's all clear now, all's well for her, but I don't doubt this at all.
Thade780 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:53:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best of luck mate, give your wife a hug from me for all she has done to help.
....but then again if you'd asked most people at 8am on 9/11 if the twin towers could be brought down they'd have looked at you like you'd gone insane. 2 and a half hours later they were a pile of rubble.
This definitely didn't happen. Whoever made that up had basically zero knowledge of nuclear tech, that much I can tell you for sure. Also the melting steel thing doesn't need any further explanation, it's garbage science and as silly as the Obama birthers still unconvinced he was born in Hawaii.
We have footage of both planes hitting the towers.
Nothing shown even comes close to the damage a nuke or "mini-nuke" (whatever the hell that is) would have caused.
Also how would they have even snuck a device like that onto a commercial airliner lol...
As for the cancer aspect comes from the burning debris and the asbestos (among other things) that was inhaled by anyone that was in the general vicinity when it happened. That shit gets in your lungs and fucks you up.
Sounds like an unlikely scenario that could never be verified. Also, there are far easier ways to explain the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" part. Most notably, the steel never fully melted, it just got hot enough to become compromised. The liquid metal falling appears to have come from the plane.
Whouiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a new show called Inside The FBI. I think second to last episode is about 9/11 and yes, they very openly admit they messed up bigtime, biggest being an Al Queda switchboard that got a call from the west coast by 9/11 hijackers and was not followed up on by the FBI. Mistakes were definitely made.
"You bumbling idiots! How could you have missed this!"
"We didn't miss it. Uhhh . . . We uhh . . We knew this would happen!"
"Well why didn't you stop it?"
"Oh, Umm . . Reasons, good reasons. Reasons that are most certainly not related to me and the level at which I meet the responsibilities of my station, or the whiskey and brick of cocaine in my desk"
Yeah same deal. Warning signs were ignored, misunderstood, and incorrect information got jumbled into it so that by the time the attack happened no one was prepared.
Faeleena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I always imagine the only way that many people keep an awful secret like that is when no one is going to benefit from the truth and/or it's going to harm a lot of people. Like the experts losing jobs and not being there to divert another threat. :/ I don't know but I don't think it matters.
9/11 was an American planned attack that was outsourced to Saudi Arabia so they could find a reason to invade Iraq. Hell, the Pentagon "plane" was a fucking missile.
Except that we invaded Afghanistan in response to 9/11. The Iraq war wasn't until several years later.
Nv1023 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:31:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I thought Bush was a complete idiot? How could he pull off such a masterful plan and keep the hundreds of people involved in the coverup quiet? It's impossible
Jehovah's witnesses the same year mentioned the melting temperature of steel beams months before the two towers go down. Alsso had a magazine on terrorism beforehand. They also hilighted the cruelty of Russians. But who's the one that made the movie "the two towers?" Hollywood. They do a lot of Shit beforehand. Like signal price fixings.
Prince was depicted on the back of a magazine or theirs as the king of Egypt. Few years later he died.
Russia is banning Jehovah's witnesses and has for years. They raid them now, seize their buildings..
My grandpa and another guy used to hold auctions back then.
After Jack Ruby was arrested for shooting Lee Harvey Oslwald, they bought everything out of Ruby's Carousel Club.
The night before the auction, the night clubs safe was stolen without a trace. (>250lb safe)
The police never solved that case either.
His brother Robert Kennedy was the AG at the time and had handed down some punishment on the Mafia. He refused to be interviewed for the warren commission but people said that he was always suspicious that his influence had something to do with it. There's a ton of documents to be declassified this year and I'm interested to see some of the things that were deemed "a threat to national security" in the 90's when they were originally supposed to be released.
tydalt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the theories out there, this is the one that makes the most sense to me...
Thanks for posting that!
ubspirit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love believing in our government's incompetency, don't get me wrong, but I think it's far more likely that they knew what Oswald was planning and allowed it to happen because they wanted JFK gone.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:59:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wouldn't surprise me. I've heard that the government knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor. Which may have been why the aircraft carriers were conveniently out to sea. But they let it happen to rally the public into going to war. Same with 9/11.
This is true. Most of the sailors stationed were new recruits by a large margin and a lot of the ships were known to be out of date and in poor condition.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Americans were in the majority against the war. If we didn't act, we would be left behind as our allies invaded and weakened. They needed something to sway our thinking of the war...... It is common for this type of thing to happen all around the world but the scale of this conspiracy makes it unbelievable.
The American people didn't support jumping into another world war. Sure some Americans might have agreed to go to war if no one got hurt but you let a few soldiers die and it's going to cause a frenzy.
rlbond86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Japanese didn't deliver the last coded message (the one declaring war) until AFTER they bombed Pearl Harbor.
So? The Japanese had been sending messages for days about attacking Pearl Harbor. And how they should do it. There was plenty of time for the government to pick up and decipher those messages.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To get you going. I'm way to lazy to dig through the actual primary sources.
Deradius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:25:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This falls in the same category as 'we knew about 9/11'.
Yeah, of course we did. Because every single day a hundred thousand pieces of intel pour into the FBI, CIA, secret service, you name it, saying everything from 'ISIS has a sleeper cell in every major city on the west coast' to 'The cartels are planning to take over El Paso' to 'Kermit the frog is going to assassinate Dick Cheney'.
It's like a million monkeys with a million typewriters. They probably get early warning on everything, but how do you pick out the real threats without the benefit of hindsight?
Some FBI office somewhere in October 1963:
'Hey, boss. Says here some loon who just came back from Russia with a bunch of Marx pamphlets is planning to shoot Kennedy in Dallas. Also I got one here that says Lucille Ball is a Russian spy.'
I think the general issue with Oswald is no one took him seriously and thought he'd go through with it.
Pretty much everyone (and this includes the Soviets, to whom he tried to defect before being kicked out) just viewed him as a sad loser with delusions of grandeur who was ultimately harmless.
So, they may have known he was talking, but lots of people talk. Oswald was the last guy they thought would actually do it.
I read a pretty plausible theory that the headshot came from the secret service agent behind him accidentally pulling the trigger in surprise. Apparently after that LBJ reduced his entourage, and kept away from the secret service as much as possible. Though people say the body shot would have been enough to kill JFK anyway.
See a documentary called 'the smoking gun'. The whole chain of events makes sense under the theory that Oswald shot JFK, but not fatally, with the 1st shot, and the only sober Secret Service man there blew open JFK's head accidentally with an AR15 while trying to swing the rifle toward the book building to return fire. The coverup was all directed toward typical government incompetence. The poor bastard that actually (accidentally) killed him did nothing wrong, he was one of the only responsible people on duty. His coworker accelerated the car they were in just as he went to shoot Oswald. Sad. This was before 'finger off the trigger' was taught commonly.
Oswald visited Russia for several years, and was a pretty normal guy. The cover up was most likely to prevent a war since if it was found out, the Russians would be instantly blamed despite them already proving to the u.s. government that they took no part in the assassination.
scothc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:05:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He tried renouncing his us citizenship, and attain Soviet citizenship. That's a bit more than "visited for several years"
I said visited, because he returned to the U.S. and settled in Dallas in 1962.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's so many people who wanted JFK dead, it's unreal. And then to have some random person jump out in front of the cops and kill him? give me a break... Why didn't he pop him in the head? Probably was a blank in the gun, gave him plastic surgery, gave him some cash, and called it a day with his new identity.
I think the cover-up was a classic cover-my-ass story of incompetence.
I have heard that JFK was planning to work together to get to the moon with a joint force from Russia. If any of our presidents during the cold war could get that deal to happen, it was JFK. However, the end of the cold war would mean less money for FBI and CIA. While they may or may not have done it themselves, it was in their best interests to let it happen.
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty openly 'Oswald and Oswald alone did it' but I have zero doubts the same orginisations would conspire to cover up their incompetance.
I have heard that JFK was about to do a press conference and put the CIA on blast and expose them for all the illegal stuff they were doing and hiding from the public at the time.
The one I like is that his death was actually accidental. Oswald's shot missed (or hit, but didn't kill him; or he didn't fire at all, he was just an easy scapegoat depending on which reports you believe) and it was a secret service agent in the same car who fumblefingered his sidearm and blew the President's brains out. There was a special on that particular theory on the History Channel at one point.
Side note: my third grade teacher was in Dallas that day. We did a unit on the Presidents where we wrote speeches and filmed them, and she skipped JFK because it was too much to handle.
I assume those where these documents you mentioned? It looks like it takes monumental effort to sift through them and it would be kind of you to point out which ones gave you that idea.
You really should elaborate on this because God knows J.F.K assassination have enough of baseless conspiracy banter surrounding it.
Best argument I've read is the CIA and FBI had their hands so deep with deranged right wing and fascist groups in the US that they were terrified that they were unwittingly part of a conspiracy to kill the president.
Step 1: Fund a bunch of fascist anti-communists groups in TX.
So, what was the cover up of? That the CIA/FBI knew the assassination was going to happen, but botched stopping it and Oswald ended up doing it despite that?
My mom was a huge JFK fan and her theory always was it had something to do with the Mob. Something about they wanted their debts paid and he didn't want to pay them. So they killed him. But she is also a drunk, so yah never know. Lol
I heard an idea that one of the secret service men paniced slightly and ended up shooting the president on accident. They covered that up with the magic bullet. No grand mafia/aliens/curz's dad conspiracy, just the secret service trying to keep their reputation.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:27:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, in October the files will be release and all the important information will be... "redacted for our safety."
There was a cover up, but it's not what you think.
JFK was shot by Oswald, but not in the head. A secret service agent in front of the car was startled, turned and accidentally fired his rifle, striking the president in the forehead. The cover up was to protect him.
[deleted] ยท 410 points ยท Posted at 19:37:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the same documentary as you, and it had me convinced that this is what happened. It explained numerous military vet witnesses smelling gunpowder at ground level, including a policeman on an overpass that the motorcade drove under after the shots were fired. It also explains how two of Oswalds rounds were found intact, while the headshot round shattered (Hollow point ammo the secret service issued). Oswald was a Marksman but not a world class shot. It's possible he shot only twice in the allotted time frame, much more reasonable with his rifle. Immediately after this incident, the secret service no longer issued agents AR-15s. Think about this a second, why after a monumental failure of the secret service to protect the president, would they use LESS firepower to protect the next president? Imagine if after 9-11, the FAA REMOVED all cockpit doors and replaced them with plywood.
ihahp ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 04:27:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it had me convinced that this is what happened
I watched a multi part documentary called The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
Every episode of the documentary had a different theory on how he was killed, but EVERY EPISODE had me convinced, until the next one came on. At the end it just made me realize how persuasive and manipulative documentaries can be.
Immediately after this incident, the secret service no longer issued agents AR-15s. Think about this a second, why after a monumental failure of the secret service to protect the president, would they use LESS firepower to protect the next president?
What did they start issuing instead?
Reminds me of how when the NYPD switched from double action revolvers to Glocks their negligent discharge rate went through the roof (no pun intended), so they started (and still do) special ordering the guns with a much heavier trigger rather than train the officers to use proper trigger discipline.
Bhargo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:39:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the funny part is you can watch it on youtube and the comments are filled with people making even crazier conspiracy theories using their armchair ballistic experts degrees to "prove" the lethal shot came from in front of him.
Yes. And JFK's brain disappeared. The CIA told the doctor doing the autopsy that JFK's brother wanted the brain so the doctor gave it to them and it simply disappeared. That could have had evidence of hollow point ammo.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That poster was talking about a different theory, about an agent in FRONT of Kennedy hitting him in the forehead.
I see you haven't yet found the next level of the cover up. The secret service shooting is actually a ploy to throw you off the the fact that his head just did that.
More to protect the secret service and its reputation then the single agent.
270343 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:15:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Him and the rest of the secret service - if they could have got away with it, I'm sure they would have hung him to dry, but you can bet we would have done away with the Secret Service if it came out that they shot the president.
I read that book. However there are a few things wrong with it, such as the angle at which the bullet entered JFK's skull and there were no witnesses who saw this or heard a bullet being fired at close range.
I believe there is a conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination, but it has to do with others setting up Oswald as a "patsy." Who those people are is speculation.
Yeah dude. Oswald was a straight up Patsy. That's the conspiracy. Too bad we'll never be allowed to know who set him up.
MagicSPA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:33:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
such as the angle at which the bullet entered JFK's skull and there were no witnesses who saw this or heard a bullet being fired at close range.
The angle of the bullet is discussed in the book, and it is established that it is compatible with Kennedy's head position and the visible damage.
Also, there was at least one witness (possibly more, I'm doing this from memory) who said that the shot came from the immediate area of the motorcade. I don't know how you can read "Mortal Error" and not know these things.
I read the book. I didn't agree with the hypotheses. Neither did the experts. Here
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the book.
Then how come you didn't know about the angle of the alleged bullet being compatible with the damage to Kennedy's head?
How come you didn't know about the witness who said they heard a shot coming from the area of the motorcade itself?
Did you at least read about the witness who said they saw an agent with a gun and thought he had shot at someone, or the witness who saw an agent fall over at the time of the last shot?
I read that book. However there are a few things wrong with it, such as the angle at which the bullet entered JFK's skull and there were no witnesses who saw this or heard a bullet being fired at close range.
No you didn't. Because if you did, you'd know that both of those issues were discussed in the book.
You didn't, and neither did the author of that article that I read a long time ago. Both of you are in obvious error about the contents of the book.
I'm not saying that you're wrong because your ideas don't line up with mine. We haven't even gotten to the point where we can talk about ideas.
We're stuck at the beginning because neither you nor just about any source I've ever seen trying to debunk it seem to be aware of what's actuallyinthe damned thing.
Sacket ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:02:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats Roy Killerman my great great uncle. Look him up on wikipedia. I never met him but according to my family his home was searched after the assassination. He served under 3 presidents and, again according to my family, he thought LBJ was behind it.
I don't necessarily believe this, but it would make Jackie's reaction of trying to crawl out of the car make more sense; she'd be trying to get away from the close-range shot she just heard.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:34:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She held her husband's brains in her hands. She was crawling towards him, if you watch the film.
Didn't happen. Do you guys realize that the Zapruder film has been viewed and studied by thousands of experts? This theory is not even mentioned as being in the realm of possibility by anyone other than unreliable conspiracy theorists. There are literally dozens of more likely scenarios.
ronin95 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually a forensics expert who examined the data and the ME report came up with it and conspiracy theorists reject it because its not a government conspiracy
The "Secret Service killed JFK" theory was first proposed by a gunsmith in Baltimore, not a "forensics expert".
ronin95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFKย is a 1992 non-fiction book by Bonar Menninger outlining a theory byย sharpshooter,ย gunsmith, andย ballisticsย expert Howard Donahue that aย secret serviceย agent accidentally fired the shot that actually killed Presidentย John F. Kennedy.
Ballistics expert. A sub class of forensics dealing with projectiles. So a forensics expert had the theory.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No; the theory is that the agent's shot was stand-alone, and wasn't accompanied by a bullet from Oswald.
Actually, if I remember the book right, if the agent were standing in the back of the follow-up car, a headshot from Oswald would have to have passed through the agent to hit Kennedy.
No. The traditional narrative is that Oswald fired three shots (I'm going from memory here, so I may get a few details wrong):
"The Magic Bullet" that hit Kennedy in the neck and then hit the guy in front of him in the chest.
A bullet that hit pavement.
The bullet that hit Kennedy in the head.
Howard Donahue, the guy talked about in the book, "Mortal Error," hypothesizes that Oswald took only two shots:
The shot that hit the pavement.
The "magic bullet."
Then, some short amount of time after the second bullet had been fired (not more than a few seconds), the secret service agent in the tail car stood up on the seat to try to get a better view, but slipped and staggered, which caused an accidental discharge of his rifle. This was the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Bronson had been standing on the concrete peristyle at the southโwestern corner of the junction of Houston Street and Main Street. When Bronson captured the head shot on film, he was about 60 yards from Kennedy, and almost directly opposite Abraham Zapruder. This portion of Bronsonโs film lasts only two seconds, and is of inferior quality to the Zapruder.
George Hickey is visible, on the third row of seats at the back of the Secret Service car. His gun is not visible. Immediately in front of Hickey was President Kennedyโs political associate, Kenneth OโDonnell. In front of OโDonnell was the driver, Sam Kinney. In front of Kinney, and extending beyond the top of Kinneyโs head, was the carโs windscreen, with both visors raised. To shoot President Kennedy, Hickey would have had to stand up or raise his gun to at least the level of his head, and the film shows that he does neither."
Have you seen the Bronson film? The segment of the film this writer speaks of is so fuzzy and indistinct that the specificity of claims made in that paragraph is silly and laughable. You can barely make out individual persons as anything more than dots, let alone figure out what they're doing.
On the other hand, I was just convinced Paul Pierce pooped his pants in game 2 of the 2008 playoffs until I read the footage was actually from game 1 so I'm still skeptical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whaaat? I was just at the 6th floor Museum in Dallas today and there was obviously no mention of that. Interesting if true. Sources?
I thought it was interesting Jackie said 'they've killed Jack' like it was a group that they had been aware of wanting to kill him had shot him.
There's a book called "Mortal Error" that details this possible scenario.
jerkmanj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite kind of conspiracy. No shadowy conglomerate, no secret codes, just a massive screw up and a bunch of idiots trying to do what they can to cover it up.
It's certainly the most likely kind of conspiracy in my book. I believe that most people are basically decent and that any truly malevolent conspiracy of any magnitude would be outed pretty quickly by one or more people who had a conscience attack.
But on the other hand, people are prideful and easily embarrassed, and I could definitely see something like this, where the truth would not help anyone and would harm everyone involved, being covered up.
Would he have needed protection? In theory, what would have happened had a secret service agent clearly and accidentally did that? (I'm not typing that term, nope!)
I shot the president . . . but I did not shoot the deputy
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:25:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I'd heard it all, but that's a new one on me. That's even more far out than Menninger's "Mortal Error" (about an agent behind Kennedy negligently discharging his gun).
weiers08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the theory I believed. Technically Oswald did kill Kennedy using the transitive property.
filo4000 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% believe this, that the secret service accidentally shot jfk in the head in the panic of oswald opening fire on the car. I can totally understand why they would want to cover it up, honestly, I feel really bad for that ss guy, and really, oswald was the one at fault for creating the panic
I saw a show on Netflix about this theory but I can't remember the name of it! It made much more sense than any other theories I've heard of. Really quite convincing. You see it and remember the name?
As with the other guy in this thread trying to claim that it's debunked, we aren't even at the point where we can debate ideas because you don't even know what ideas are even in the book.
No fragments from any bullets other than Oswald's.
Hickey's gun was not fired that day (or at least not demonstrated to have been).
No credible eyewitness claims to have heard shot from that proximity or location.
He claims JFK said "I'm hit" after being struck by concrete fragments from a missed shot. Absolutely ludicrous.
Donahue's theory relies on outdated information, questionable trajectory calculations, and requires a fantastic leap in logic that a Secret Service agent "just happened" to accidentally shoot JFK a few inches from where he'd been shot seconds earlier. He ignores (or is unaware of) neutron activation testing which proved that all bullet fragments came from Oswald's Carcano. He ignores the dent on the inside of the windshield frame, which is inconsistent with a shot from Hickey's location. He depends on an undefined "cover-up" of such massive proportions, it isn't even worth considering.
Some of these are legitimate issues that I'm going to look into further, but there are a couple big problems:
The skull entry wound is too small for a 6.5 mm Carcano (I can't recall the exact size), even if you allow for some compression.
A thick-jacketed bullet could not have created that wound. No possible way. It would require much more fragmentation and energy transfer than the Carcano could manage.
The entry wound size is perfectly compatible with the 6.5mm bullet, given the contraction of the wound.
The head-shot bullet did fragment, and the fragments are in evidence. They came from Oswald's rifle, to the exclusion of all other weapons. The unique rounded nose of Oswald's ammunition made it more prone to fragmentation and deformity than a pointed-nose bullet (which the AR-15 uses), as well as the tell-tale "skidding" effect observed to the skull.
LOTS of tests have been done with Carcano rounds on human skulls, and it's perfectly capable of the damage we see in JFK's head. Not only that, there are some 40+ lead fragments that were seen in JFK's brain. Every one that has been tested with neutron activation has been demonstrated to have come from Oswald's ammo.
I don't know if that particular story is true, but I do suspect that JFK's death was probably an accident and that the assassination story was to save face during the worst depths of the cold war. The CIA would very much like to present America as a nation where something so insanely random and incompetent could never happen, but if there's anything I know about America, it's that random and incompetent are our two biggest exports.
Truan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is one I've heard emerging recently, with the addition that the SS boys were hung over.
another one I'm hearing is that it was a mob hit (would explain the multiple angle bullets/extra shooters), and that Oswald was the fall guy.
The interesting thing about the Donahue scenario is that it doesn't attempt to explain why Oswald was up in the book repository that day. It only attempts to explain what happened after he fired his first shot.
Truan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Donahue scenario (the SS agent accidentally fires his gun and improbably hits Kennedy in the head) only deals with what happened AFTER Oswald opened fire. It has nothing to say about why Oswald was trying to kill Kennedy in the first place.
It would explain why Jack Ruby, who was affiliated with the mob, was able to kill Oswald in his jail cell.
doom32x ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:57:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, he killed Oswald while in transport. Everybody who knew Ruby said he loved JFK, and most people think the Mob would have never trusted Ruby due to the fact that he was a goober of the highest degree.
Ever heard the story of the creation of the Nuclear bomb?
It is among many other real life events in history that took place in secrecy while thousands of people worked on the project.
This reasoning of "too many people to keep secret" is just wrong, and thoroughly debunked throughout history as well as plenty things going on right now.
njew ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:13:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there were Soviet spies in the Manhattan project. That's how they got nuclear bombs so quickly after us. It wasnt kept secret.
The issue isn't that high clearance people can't keep a secret, it's that a secret like the JFK assassination would have had to have been kept a secret for this long. A short time maybe, but someone would eventually have said something. Also, a lot of people might be involved with some top secret things, but that doesn't always mean that they know exactly what what they are working on is for. I'd imagine a lot of people who technically worked on the Manhattan Project had no idea what they were actually working on.
I definitely agree when it comes to things like the Manhattan Project, but I do use this line of thinking with things like the Moon landing conspiracy theorists or the disgusting Sandy Hook deniers. It really depends on the individual conspiracy theory to estimate how many people were involved.
From the general public of the world, yes it was, for years.
Rorynne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thing is though, the key word is "was" it wasnt kept secret for ever like something like the JFK assassination would need to be. Im not on one side or the other of how many people you need to keep a secret. but in the end that particular secret got spilled in some way or another.
Thousands of the people working on the creation of the bomb didn't know what they were doing. Heard a story of one woman who found out because she saw a picture of herself in a museum.
Not very many. The CIA is very compartmentalized, an agent probably doesn't know what other agents are working on unless they have a need to know. An operation like this would probably be conceived and carried out by some rogue ideological faction within the agency, I doubt even the DCI would know about it since they're usually political appointees. So maybe like 2 people, both of whom are extremely motivated to keep it a secret.
What the fuck's your problem? We're just speculating on conspiracy theories why should I have to source anything? How could I source this? If I had a source it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory.
You're a dick.
Ordotrio ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:41:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and this is how ignorance spreads like wildfire...Well, this and Facebook.
How dare you demand proof for my wild speculations? You must be an ASSHOLE.!
We are all fucking doomed, doomed, doomed.
You want proof... for my speculations about a conspiracy theory??? Jesus christ, the whole point is nobody knows; I took a guess at what could have happened, you want me to prove it? Basically just prove that Kennedy was killed by the CIA? Sure no problem, why wouldn't I be able to do that?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:55:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, seems like you're taking this pretty personally. If you don't want to hear people guess at what might have happened with conspiracy theories maybe don't go on a conspiracy theory thread. I seriously don't know what your problem is, but you need help.
Javert__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty extreme level of anger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ordotrio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You people make me sick, sick , sick. Go to your safe space and drink another latte, little lambs. The big bad wolf and his scary words can't actually hurt you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ordotrio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you really got me there. Now I know I've been shamed.....
Plastic fantastic losers got the big hared fool elected now they use it as an insult............
There's s book called Mortal Error that describes the whole thing in detail. Like any jfk theory there's a number of people aiming to poke holes in it. Not least of which was the secret service agent, who sued the author over it, but dropped it before the book was published.
This is a picture of LBJ getting sworn in as President after JFK was assassinated. Standing next to him is Jackie Kennedy. The person who LBJ is looking at is Democratic congressman Albert Thomas from Houston, TX. At the moment of the picture, Thomas is winking at LBJ. This picture has led many conspiracy theorists to believe that those responsible for the assassination of JFK goes all the way up to LBJ. Also, what you don't see in the picture is JFK's blood on Jackie's coat.
That seems like a pretty sloppy giveaway, can't imagine that to be true.
If the conspiracy is so sloppy that you're willing to wink at the guy at the top of it while the dead man's wife is in the same room with a photographer I don't think you're able to hold that secret for long.
[deleted] ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 21:43:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how these clues always work. Running a secret organisation that rules everything? Put your logo on money so that some people have a chance at figuring it out! Pretending to be Shakespeare? Devise a complicated code in the texts, so some people have the chance of figuring it out!
Killed the president to take his job? Make sure there's a photo of you winking so some people have a chance at figuring it out!
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:28:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ย "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
(Paraphrase of Hitler)
PureWhey ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:36:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a wink would be the procedure after a coupe like that neither...
kaenneth ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:16:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he was just taking a picture and happened to catch the "wink." If it's a wink.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 20:57:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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K3fka_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:52:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of the wink supporting this is pretty weak to begin with. What reason would he have to wink at all? It just gives people fuel for theories like this, and if it were true, it's just making it possible to figure it out.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:45:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit if im about to carry the stress of the world on my shoulders and my main dude JFK just got shot I would want some sort of confidence boost as im about to signup for the hardest 4 years of my life.
That or LBJ showed Thomas his dick and Thomas wasnt gay but 20 is 20.
Want a rabbit hole? Here's the Wikipedia page of the person who's testimony made people think of Oswald as crazy. What's crazier? He wrote a book about Oswald a year before the assassination.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:16:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conspiracy aside, I feel so bad for Jackie Kennedy in that picture. I can't imagine what that would have been like for her, and the detail that her husband's blood is still on her jacket is so disturbing.
I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even realize it until later on. My sister was in a really nasty bike accident 10 years ago when she fell into a dry riverbed and her face was cut open. My dad was wearing a yellow plaid dress shirt with her blood on it for about 2 hours before he realized he should take it off while we were waiting in a hospital lobby. I didn't notice, but I apparently took our TV remote with us to the hospital, and was holding it the entire time. In times of extreme distress, the amount of adrenaline pumping through you can make you do all kinds of nutty fucking shit.
I read each and every instance of LBJ as LeBron James
Sawgon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:54:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he was president, even if people loved him, he'd hold this huge conference after the first 4 years to announce that he's taking his talents to North Korea
I've once been promoted up due to someone leaving the position for personal reasons, and a work acquaintance "winked" at me as a kind of tone deaf thumbs up.
And no, that shouldn't be evidence that I killed someone's father over in Minnesota. If you think a grainy photograph of someone maybe making an odd gesture is evidence on its own you're an idiot.
Oswald just seems like an unlikely candidate for the "lone nut," with his military background, his links to Ferrie/the Civil Air Patrol right-wingers, and "no questions asked" return from the USSR after having renounced his citizenship. I believe he killed Kennedy, but also think there was something to his "just a patsy" statement.
You seem well informed, what do you think about that?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:17:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who gets killed by a CIA agent before standing trial is definitely a patsy.
Lozzif ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:22:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ruby wasn't a CIA agent...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:28:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, right, sorry, Mafia operative.
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's had to keep track of the different conspiracy theories. There's so many that are all 'so compelling'
None of them with evidence. But compelling.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:27:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ballistics do not match up with someone shooting him from the front, tho
The House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1976 concluded that there probably was a conspiracy. And it didn't involve the Russians, Cuba, Cuban exiles in the US, the CIA, FBI, Secret Service or the Mafia. (Even though weird inconsistencies came up with all of them.)
So, case closed.
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on a debunked dictatape.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's known that the FBI was surveiling Oswald. The cover-up is just that the FBI didn't want everyone to know that they were watching him closely and still managed to miss a presidential assassination plot.
It's not a super exciting cover up, but it absolutely was a cover up.
mcvey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, every JFK theorist should read this.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:46:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the movie "JFK" as a teenager, and immediately didn't believe in any conspiracies surrounding his death after watching it.
I found this guy's website, and he told the truth about the situation, that the guy who started the conspiracy investigation was OBSESSED with homosexuals, and truly believed that the assassination was a "homosexual thrill kill", and put a gay man on trial over it. Iirc, the jury took about 15 minutes to come back with a "not guilty" verdict.
Literally every aspect of the conspiracies surrounding that are horsehite
Yeah, I've always assumed that there was more to JFK's death. I've never thought Oswald was framed like so many people do though. I figured he was always involved and was scapegoated for the whole thing and then killed before he could talk. There is too much weird shit surrounding it to be a single guy.
Can you imagine nowadays if an ex military US citizen moved out of the country to one that was at odds with America, returned and killed a politician. Nobody would even question that the person was working on behalf of the country they moved to and/or was 'radicalized' there. I'm more surprised that this isn't the most accepted story and that there is such a range of theories muddying the waters.
Yeah I just wish it was one or two episodes longer so they could have spent more time exploring all the post apocalyptic worlds that happen when JFK lives.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have long thought the coverup or frame job wasn't because he was innocent, but because they had fucked up the evidence and so were just framing him for good measure. Or that the protection was wrong somehow. Not that there was actually some nefarious plot, just a lot of cya.
One detail you should note is that secret service ushered the Dallas PD off the scene as the PD was actually actively investigating. If it was a plot to kill JFK I don't think they would have clued them in. DPD discovered the bullet in the concrete and I think they could have figured out a lot more if the secret service didn't shoo them away.
Lozzif ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. I didn't watch the Zapruder film until a few years ago. Yes, he was shot from the front. Doesn't mean it was CIA / Cuba / Russia / aliens...I could see them wanting to cover up simply for such a lapse in security. (Though LBJ does not smell like roses to be honest.)
JFK was shot from more than one angle, period.
[deleted] ยท 2168 points ยท Posted at 16:17:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
David Stern forced Jordan to leave the NBA because of gambling and that is linked to his father's death.
I believe this to be true as well. Jordan was a well known gambler and there was no sense in tarnishing the image of him or the NBA, so his suspension was guised as a retirement. Unrelated, he's said to be a real dickhead
[deleted] ยท 586 points ยท Posted at 21:59:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unrelated, he's said to be a real dickhead
That seems to be the standard takeaway from an "I met Michael Jordan!" celebrity encounter.
No all accounts point to Jordan being an absolute asshole to his teammates, coaches, opponents and anyone he thought got in his way. Many accounts say this not just some rando asking for a photo with him.
-500- ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 05:42:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much of a story, really. I've worked with a few notable athletes through my job and he was the worst by far. Just a cold, heartless asshole at every opportunity.
I worked on a team that produced creative work/events for Air Jordan. Had to present ideas to him and keep him involved on some shit we were doing. He never once said thank you, would openly talk shit about you while you were still in the room. In fact, he would never actually talk to you he would only communicate through his handlers while you were sitting at the same table. Really weird shit.
One time he made our producer throw his shoes in the trash because he was wearing normal Nikes and not Jordans. Everyone treats him like a literal God so he treats everyone like an underling. Once the event was concluded and everyone was just sort of hanging out relaxing, a younger kid from our team who idolized him asked him for an autograph (granted, we were instructed not to) and he flicked cigar ash at him and laughed and walked away.
Horrible experience every time we had to work directly with him. He is notoriously non-trusting of people.
Kevin Durant, on the other hand, is fucking chill. As is Blake Griffin.
Throw sneakers in the trash? HA FUCK THAT. Would have told the cockwomble to jog on with that demand.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell. What an absolute Cock
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:18:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think part of it the "Jordan is an asshole" is related to how difficult he could be to play with. He demanded perfection. That made him win, but also made him difficult to deal with.
I occasionally hear people lament that Shaquille O'Neal could have been so much more had he more of "Jordan's singular drive". That he doesn't have that "singular drive" and insistence on perfection is what makes O'Neal a better person.
Well, Shaq was a huge asshole, always stirring up drama among teammates (particularly Kobe). Shaq was just way better at PR than Kobe, so he walked away looking like the big nice guy.
Look at the last finals with Shaq and Kobe. The Pistons won precisely because Kobe was not letting Shaq take over. He was holding the ball and killing possessions. It was Detroit's strategy to make him do it, and his pride kept him from passing. Yes, Shaq had some shit to say about Kobe from time to time, but Kobe earned most of it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of both, and I think the situation worked out as well as it was likely to for all parties, but Kobe was the bigger issue in their relationship.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:06:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Kevin Durant because he's on the Warriors and he's being so fucking tone deaf when it comes to why people are mad about their superteam, but I also can't hate him because everytime I hear about someone meeting him he's always really nice.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:45:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Michael Jordan at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnโt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, โOh, like youโre doing now?โ
I was taken aback, and all I could say was โHuh?โ but he kept cutting me off and going โhuh? huh? huh?โ and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like โSir, you need to pay for those first.โ At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually โto prevent any electrical infetterence,โ and then turned around and winked at me. I donโt even think thatโs a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
-500- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:27:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is copypasta. I've seen people post the exact same shit for other celebs. Are you a bot?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:29:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nike bought out the whole restaurant I was bartending at for some Jordan event. Jordan was in attendance. By the end of the night, Jordan had gone through one whole bottle of Don Julio 1942. By the time he got to the second bottle, he was arguing with the other bartender that he didn't pour him Don Julio 1942. And what do you do? Argue back? He poured him again right in front of him, so Jordan would have no second doubts. For someone so respected, even if beyond rich, he came off as such a loser that night.
To be fair, being one of the most iconic sports figures on the planet, the sheer amount of harassment he receives in public probably gets pretty old.
Berowalt ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 07:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Different but relatable in my eyes would be Dwayne "the rock" Johnson. The man just seems like a wonderful person. From his fame from wwe to being s movie star, all accounts I ever hear is him loving his fans and being a genuinely nice man.
I love Dwayne Johnson though, I could be biased. He was my role model on my weight loss journey. I'd listen to him talk smack before every running session.
From what I've seen/heard it appears that pro-wrestlers seem to be some of the most down-to-earth and kind celebrities.
bozon92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:18:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, when the Rock transitioned to acting, I was very instinctively dismissive. But when he showed he had the comedy chops and I started hearing all the first-person accounts of how he was just such a genuinely good guy to everyone he met, I couldn't help but become a fan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when the Rock transitioned to acting, I was very instinctively dismissive.
Me too. I really liked him in Southland Tales.
bozon92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually so happy you mentioned that one, that was actually the first movie I saw him in that I really started to reconsider my stance. I saw it so many years ago and it was so weird, but so good...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:01 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought his work in it showed he had range and a sense of humor. I think the first thing I saw him in was some Scorpion King movie and... it was what it was. Cinematic distraction at ten cents a minute. Not good, not bad, just there.
But Southland Tales rocks!
bozon92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the first time I actually saw him was in that Mummy movie where the Rock shows up half Scorpion at the end, wasn't a great display of his skills. Scorpion King was not bad, but it felt like a lob of a role for Rock. But yes, Southland Tales really gave me an idea of the depth of his ability.
Wayne Gretzky was bigger in his sport(Hockey) then Jordan could ever hopr to be and everything points to him being a pretty good dude. The worst rumours are that he likes his booze but most people don't have a bad thing to say about him.
I've met him, good guy.
Edit: I didn't mean to spark such a fierce debate of Gretzky and Jordan. My point is superstardom doesn't give you a free pass to be a piece of shit to everyone. We are all human, treat people with respect no matter how famous you are.
naphini ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 06:31:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gretzky was better at his sport than Jordan, but that's totally irrelevant. Jordan was a much, much, much bigger celebrity than Gretzky.
Jordan was definitely a bigger celebrity but relative to Canada, Gretz is as big an icon as Jordan.
Just because you're a celebrity doesn't give you a free pass to be a shitty person.
naphini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it doesn't excuse it at all. There are a lot of huge celebrities who are reputedly very friendly and decent.
PRMan99 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I met Gretzky at his restaurant in Canada.
He shut the doors and ate his meal while people were trying to mob him (his handlers politely but firmly told people to "go sit down") but then spent the next 2 hours shaking everyone's hands, giving autographs and taking pictures, before retiring to a private room with his brother and his handlers.
And he was even trembling as he shook my hand (like a vise grip). He clearly isn't a natural at interacting with people but did it anyway for the good of the sport.
Gretzky was truly amazing with the fans and an all-around super nice guy.
[deleted] ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 04:59:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:07:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, dude, I've never watched a game of hockey but everyone knows Wayne Gretzky
Wayne Gretzky is the best athlete at his sport, ever. The two main stats in hockey are goals and assists and if you took away his goals, he'd still have the most points ever. Dude was from another planet, completely changed the game.
Either way my point is every GOAT athlete isnt an asshole and it's no excuse to be.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan is 4th on the list of all time scorers in NBA history. Gretzky's point total is still 50% greater than #2 on that list. There are at least a handful of players in NBA history that belong in a conversation regarding who is the GOAT. In hockey, there is no conversation. Gretzky transcended his sport in a way that no other athlete ever has.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:39:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are missing the point, yes Gretzky was arguably better at his sport than Jordan was at his (or not, doesn't matter, again not the point) but Jordan was/is a global icon. On a totally different scale than Gretzky.
It might be because I'm not in a hockey place, but though I've heard the name, I never really knew anything about Wayne Gretzky.
Michael Jordan, being the example provided, was in a feature film (as himself, co-starring iconic cartoon characters), is in a large amount of commercials, made still very popular branded shoes...
I don't mean to sound demeaning, so I want to ask: his scoring is one thing, but what are some things he's done and been involved with in popular culture outside of hockey? I think that's the main point that was brought up with Michael.
ProStars doesn't count for either Michael or Wayne
EDIT: I can't believe all 5 hockey fans in the world downvoted my on-topic question.
He's not arguing that Jordan wasn't a bigger pop-culture icon, what he's saying is that Gretzky was way better at his sport than Jordan was at his. Gretzky is undeniably the best hockey player ever, Jordan is top-2 in most people's eyes, but have not the clear cut GOAT.
I can't believe Gretzky single-handedly carried the movie Mighty Ducks 2. Truly a Renaissance Man if ever there was one.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:57:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best in basketball is arguable. Best in hockey is beyond any doubt Gretsky. But Jordan is iconic in general pop culture.
Skidvish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, gretsky's office. No one can afford to chill like that now. I grew up a little later than his era. Hockey now compared to late 90's hockey is so much faster it's insane. I'll have to check some more vids of Wayne and see how I feel brb
Gretzky is largely the reason you can't just hang out like that anymore. Teams were forced to adapt to overcome.
Skidvish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True
bubmox22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:04:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anything is arguable. but Jordan is beyond friendly bar debates. he is the GOAT. you had to have watched him to understand the pure dominance he showed year after year. sure argue Kareem or Lebron over him but i think it's a losing battle.
I take Bill Russell over Jordan, thanks, and he is just one of 2-3 guys you could make a legit argument for. It is VERY MUCH a debate. As the population skews younger, it has become more popular to support Jordan as GOAT, but the people who watched Bill and Wilt play would argue all day.
bubmox22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is why I picked the wrong fight on this sub. you would get destroyed on r/NBA for this. Russell played when the average NBA player was utter garbage in comparison. Put him in the modern NBA and watch him be half the player he was then. Of course old heads are gonna say that shit. You could maybe argue Wilt but even then, there's no way one player could be THAT dominant in the modern NBA. Wilt doesn't get 100 points today. that's why you have to draw a line. modern basketball, Jordan is undisputed GOAT. the eye test proves it over everything, but he even has the accolades and stats to back it all up.
I say this on r/NBA all the time, and I'll say it again here (by the way, I never get destroyed for it). The whole notion of a GOAT is moronic. You cannot compare players across eras. Styles, conditioning, sports science and nutrition, and rules are ALL different. You may as well be comparing players in different games. That said, Bill Russell won 11 championships while player coaching two. His opposition, notably Wilt Chamberlain, is the most physically dominant player in NBA history, as well as the most unstoppable scorer. He played with almost as many hall of famers as Russell, but still got it handed to him. Why? Because Russell was just that good. 11 Championships, molding the game into what it is today? Yes, he is my GOAT if you make me pick one.
edit: Also, they eye test? How can you have an "eye test" when there is next to no footage of two of the people in the GOAT discussion? Only old heads that watched it all could really tell the truth.
Bill Russell blew Jordans panties off. If championships = greatness no one touches Russell. Even won a championship as a player/head coach. And he dominated in his era as well, even against the single game scoring record holder and all time ladies man Wilt "the Stilt" Chamberlain.
I'd be careful who you call foolish. Jordan may have been bigger than basketball but Gretzky was bigger than God. The entire league retired his jersey number, he owns most of the records and they are utterly untouchable.
There's definitely been arguments made about the great basketball player ever, it's not unanimous. But if you put all of the best players at their respective sport, Gretzky would beat all of them.
Jordan had/has a much more significant culture impact than Gretzky, there have been very few athletes in history that have had such a tremendous impact on the game they play and the society they play in, I'd say Jordan is one of those athletes and Gretzky isn't. BUT Gretzky's impact on hockey was way greater than Jordan's impact on basketball was.
Gretzky is the undisputed GOAT in hockey, and even though you think Jordan is "unanimously the greatest basketball player ever" doesn't mean everyone else thinks so. Jordan has a lot of competition for the GOAT title (LeBron, Wilt, Russel, Hakeem, Curry).
Just think about this, Gretzky's number was retired league wide, not by his team, but the whole league. Jordan was an amazing player, one of the best there ever was, but he doesn't touch the level of dominance Gretzky had, no one does.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why be so disrespectful.
sirfray ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 05:15:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan is a dick no doubt but Gretzky is a broke nobody compared to him lol get outta here with that "bigger in his sport" crap.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:37:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sirfray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even about who was better at their sport. Initially this was about Jordan being harassed in public. Jordan is a hundred times more famous, well known, and rich than Gretzky, and therefore I'm guessing he gets harassed in public far more often too.
hicow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:57:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and rich
assuming he hasn't gambled it all away, of course
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! This is the point.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:56:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sirfray ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 06:00:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually aware of all that. Like I told the other guy, this was about being publicly harassed, not who is better at their sport. Gretzky is nowhere near as recognizable and famous as Jordan.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:03:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sirfray ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well OP of this comment thread was talking about recognizability and so was I in the comment you replied to.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sirfray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is Gretzky may be "bigger in his sport" than Jordan, but Gretzky can not compare in terms of being a public figure. Jordan is almost certainly harassed on a daily basis more than Gretzky has ever been. And thus it's just not a good comparison.
Tormidal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:09:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chamillionaire has a great story about a time he won an auction for a Jordan Jersey and he was basically told (by Jordan) to fuck off.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:58:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard a good explanation for why the league would get rid of their most valuable asset. Fans don't care at all about gambling, I don't buy that the league was worried he would tarnish their image in any way. He was the NBA.
Thing is, he wasn't making anywhere near that from the NBA at the time. Prior to his retirement, he was making about $3 million a year from the NBA. On the other hand, he was making tons more through endorsements (Hanes, Ball Park Franks, Nike, McDonald's, etc.). I could go more into detail, but that's one of the reasons I've never really bought the gambling theory. I think it was more about leveraging himself for more money.
cman811 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:23:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is patently false. In 97 he signed a 1 year 33m dollar deal.
When I first read this, it broke my heart. MJ was a hero during my childhood. Now I am finding more and more stories of him being a terrible person and each time it hurts more.
Suspending players is done so everyone knows they got suspeneded not as a spanking. This theory is garbage it makes 0 sense for the NBA to want to suspend someone secretly.
Aerdrake ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:23:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The day before he retired, on a local sports talk radio show in the Twin Cities, I heard an NBA insider reveal how the NBA was going to drop a bombshell in a Vegas gambling investigation. The next day he "retired" for exactly 1 season. Later, a relative of his was kidnapped before a big game. Who else has that happened to? Yeah, this one is real.
They were arrested for murder because they kept making phone calls from Jordan's cell phone, which would have been the only cell phone in the area at the time. So if they were hired by the mob, they were really stupid about getting caught and then never tried to bargain away their murder charges by giving up people that hired them.
Charles Barkley: 'There's nobody cheaper than Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan'
munromae ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 23:27:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His year playing minor league baseball was definitely an indirect long term suspension from the NBA for him getting caught gambling. The league would have folded if the best player it ever had was gambling and got suspended.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:19:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Iceozo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would it really fold for something so innocuous? In Australia we've had arguably the best player of all time during the peak of his player career grab a woman's tit in the street and a few years later fuck a team mates wife. He even provided a character witness for a known gangster at a trial. And that's just what happened before he retired. And then there's other players as well who have done worse. Gambling doesn't really seem all that bad.
Gambling in American sports is treated as a huge deal, mostly because of the 1919 Black Sox scandal, where a few members of a team lost the World Series intentionally after Chicago bookies paid them off. The main worry is that an athlete will get into gambling to the point where they start betting on their own sport, or even their own team.
To me, the murder of Jordan's dad was never a coincidence to his gambling addictions. Hell, Jordan was outed in a tell-all book by his former friend that he'd lost more than $1 million around the same time the mob executed the senior Jordan over the debts.
So we've created more theories to support our already made up theories? There's evidence Jordan gambled. What more evidence is there beyond that?
dpalmade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:35:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? this is all one conspiracy theory. i was explaining peoples logic behind why Stern would felt it necessary to remove the games biggest star. I dont actually believe any of this.
pamtar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sports players that have a gambling issue are hard to deal with. Say he loves to gamble but hes in serious debt. If he were to bet on any games he played, who could say if he was throwing the game or not? The sport then becomes a shitshow if its found that he was
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:46:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because if he didn't he would eventually have to ban him from the league or face the loss of a ton of integrity for the league.
He would've been stuck between a rock and a hard place. Suspend Jordan outright, and you ruin the squeaky-clean image of a player who was the face of the NBA; the league might never recover. On the other hand, if you do nothing there'll be hell to pay if/when the press finds out you threw out the rules for your best player.
The problem with this conspiracy is this: there is no "why". You may say "because gambling". That makes no sense. Here's what this conspiracy consists of: people make an excuse for Jordan to take time off from basketball. When you ask "why", they just start making shit up. They start connecting dots that aren't there.
This is the stupidest theory that always shows up in these treads. Why would the nba "secretly suspended" their biggest money maker in the history of their league? The ratings went down significantly during the nba finals while Jordan was away. The NBA is corrupt and always has been, but their corruption is used so that they can make more money and get more ratings, which is the exact opposite of what happened when Jordan left the league
I thought we were talking conspiracies, not silly sports rumors.
Eman5805 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:43:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't a conspiracy theory really just a glorified rumor? And one of the biggest names in sports history would be more than just a silly thing, to me.
johal61 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:16:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What lol
Amity75 ยท 1288 points ยท Posted at 19:26:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of Dr David Kelly. No way was it suicide and Tony Blair has blood on his hands over it.
Stormaen ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 05:01:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the BBC bares some responsibility for this too. Kelly went to their journalist as an anonymous source. When the government started putting BBC execs across the rack, rather than defend their source, they immediately named him to protect themselves and pass on the blame. Whether he was killed or killed himself, the interest and attention in him that resulted in his death came as a direct result of a complete lack of journalistic integrity by the higher-ups at the BBC.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 07:00:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wikipedia page say his name "became known". Is it not a matter of public record who named him?
Stormaen ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:38:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was Andrew Gilligan, who quoting Dr Kelly from a strictly off-the-record conversation. He was the first person to use the term "sexed up" in relation to the September Dossier.
Is it not a matter of public record who named him?
My recollection from the time -- so subject to the potential for my having misremembered it and that this was falsely reported -- was that the government adopted a position of not denying the truth, when someone asked if it was him.
That it, if you called and said, "Was it Bob Smith?" they'd say no. But if you called and said, "Is it David Kelly?" they'd neither confirm nor deny it. Given that the comments could have only come from a relatively small number of people it was alleged journalists called and just went through the list.
If this is true, he was deliberately fed to the wolves with just enough effort to deny he was named.
This deserves a little scepticism though. When Jean Charles de Menzies was killed the press initially reported he was wearing a puffy jacket on a hot day, had wires sticking out of it, leapt over a barrier when a polceman identified himself and then fled onto the train. None of this was true.
I very rarely see anyone talking about that. The day Jean Charles was shot me and my dad were watching the news. A "witness" said something like "he came running on to the train and the police shot him" but much more elaborate. It was only when the true story came out and I asked my dad if he remembered what the guy said and he did. I've often wondered if he was a fantasist or a shill.
I don't think many people know both versions of the story.
I was travelling home from an interview when the first version came out. And, unsurprisingly thought, "Well, it's tragic, but you did kind of act suspiciously."
The part about a police officer challenging him was claimed by the police. As I recall it a jury came to a near unanimous decision that this was a lie. Since we know in retrospect that de Menzies used an Oyster card and went down the escalator in an orderly way, there was some speculation that it may have been a police officer that jumped the barrier to catch him.
But... It's worth bearing in mind that the police have a track record for telling lies to the press to cover their arses. Most notably Hillsborough, where they claimed thousands of drunken fans broke into the stadium, which caused the crush.
It is mad how a lie can stick. A couple of years later I was in college and the topic came up and Brazilian girl (coincidentally) said something like "well he shouldn't have been running from the police!"
englad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Details are always confusing in the heat of the moment
I get that, but this was a bit above and beyond. He basically gave the early official police story which turned out that it couldn't have been further form the truth. I wish I could remember exactly what he said but he was actually dragged out of a seat and then shot which would be hard to confuse with running away.
Stormaen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing this. First I've read it. Whilst long, it was worth the read. Does a lot to clear up the subject. Overall, it's an account of tragedy: a humble, hardworking and dedicated man caught between two guilty giants looking to blame anyone but themselves. A needless and regrettable end, and one that Blair's ministry and the BBC are equally culpable in.
K-Zoro ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 21:40:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thom Yorke (of Radiohead) has a song about this, Harrowdown Hill.
So I just dove down the rabbit hole of Dr. David Kelly. I had no idea Harrowdown Hill was about him and I consider myself a massive Radiohead, Atoms for Peace and Thom Yorke fan. Mind blowing stuff, thanks for sharing
Thom Yorke did also grow up around there. He's said since that he feels uncomfortable about writing it, but its also been a favourite of his to perform live.
No. He was a weapons expert who told a BBC journalist that a lot of the British government's claims in the dossier on Iraqi weapons were inflated. This is the dossier that later Colin Powell would brandish as evidence to invade Iraq.
The journalist released what Kelly told him, without getting information from a further source. (Which to be fair probably wasn't viable.) The government then tore a strip out of the BBC leading to the resignation of its chairman -- and its subsequently being extremely when challenging any government story -- and allowed Kelly's name to be released to the media.
After a few days Kelly went for a walk -- as he regularly did -- consumed a large quantity of painkillers and slit his wrists with a knife he'd owned since he was a kid.
One of Kelly colleagues reported that they'd had a conversation where Kelly said he'd probably be found dead. Another reported that his hands were too weak and that he needed help to cut food, so it was inconceivable he could slit his wrists. There were also reports that there wasn't enough blood, suggesting he'd been staged where he was found.
Maybe there's no conspiracy here at all. It could simply be that the British government sexed up a load of claims -- which were later proven to be untrue -- to justify invading another country and when an expert went to the news media about it they allowed him to be harassed to the point he killed himself.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:56:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NedryOS ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:21:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without the context of the entire conversation, that's a pretty bold statement to make.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does it not make sense in any other context? He was caught up in a web of lies and deceit that a government used as evidence to invade another country and it was about to be exposed. If someone in the middle of all that said "I'm probably to be found dead" it's obvious what they mean.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:27:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evidentally not.
jnhummel ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 23:43:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was Gareth Williams, a GCHQ employee, who was found dead in a duffle bag in his apartment in 2010.
Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt announced that despite a re-examination of all evidence and the investigation of new leads no definitive answers had been obtained as to the cause of Williams's death and the "most probable scenario" was that he had died alone in his flat in Pimlico, central London, as the result of accidentally locking himself inside the bag.
Well really, who hasn't zipped themselves in a bag and accidentally sealed it with a padlock?
dubov ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:03:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally what the investigation said
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had zips that won't undo before on coats or overalls and I just pull until the stitching holding the zip to the coat gives way and rips off. This guy was a fitness fanatic and ripped, even if the zip was padlocked there would still be enough give to open the zip half an inch or so. There is no way this man would not have been able to get a couple of fingers either side of the zip and pull with all his might and either break the zip free from the tracks or rip the zip clean off the bag. He could reach the zip as it was concluded he pulled it shut and locked it whilst inside the bag.
Danjcb ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 23:09:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's the guy who was found with barely slit wrists, on a hill in the middle of nowhere after stating that's Saddam Hussein didn't have any weapons of mass destruction.
Well of course he has Dr David Kelly's blood on his hands ... but it's amazing how people focus on that instead of the millions of middle eastern people's blood he has on his hands.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't met anyone yet who doesn't think he's a war criminal.
Jhinfamy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:12:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There certainly were some outsiders who made it big like this- Ike as a general would have been isolated from political maneuvering a and had a logical head on his shoulders. Carter was folksy and tried to resist the will of his congress-so I agree on these two and FDR who was a real outsider policy wise. Obama gave a fascinating interview with Jerry Seinfeld, where he was asked (as a joke) how many foreign leaders/dignitaries/monarchs (one of the three) were loopy and totally insane, and Obama, acting serious said something like 'quite a few'.
wmil ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:06:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Tony Blair had anything to do with it. Tony Blair probably has hundreds of people who have pissed him off or hurt his career more than Kelly. There'd be a huge trail of bodies if he was in the habit of killing people.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok
[deleted] ยท 970 points ยท Posted at 22:34:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I believe it's entirely true, but I feel like there may be some truth to the conspiracy that says Elvis befriended President Nixon to get the government to help him fake his death so he could live out the rest of his life as a "not famous" person. It's at least somewhat plausible.
Maybe someone who's goal is to get rid of his famous persona if he wants to live a normal life. I mean sure riding a shark into an active volcano is cool and all, but if you really want to disapear and be somewhat forgotten, when you are going from that level of amazing fame... an embarrassing though somewhat mundane death might actually help that goal.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:33:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who wants to make it believable because no one would ever fake die that way.
and that's exactly one of the reasons it might be true.
i mean how ridiculous would it be for someone to fake their death as shitting too hard? how embarrassing an end is that? not only is it embarrassing, but it's also embarrassingly mundane.
but if a guy wants to really disappear? it's a viable option, because nobody's gonna believe someone would fake their death like that. it wouldn't have been easy for elvis to disappear any other way, so if he was gonna fake his death, the best way for him to completely disappear would be exactly that.
Nobody would question it. They would be like oh what the fuck that sucks. The story would be about the toilet, not him dying, which is the perfect way to fake your death. Making everyone believe it was some crazy accident, but it has to be weird enough that people won't ask a bunch of questions about the exact logistics.
Democrab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:01 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? If you get to pick your death, everyone would expect something heroic or otherwise somewhat noble.
dcfromcc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i always thought that was ridiculous until i was actively addicted to opiates. i could totally see it happening.
We don't even know his exact fried chicken recipe, how the hell do people have the balls to say they know that? Also, he was a super fat pill popping dude by the end of his life so a heart attack at 40 wasn't that suspicious.
There was a witness in Arnett, Texas who recognized Elvis at a gas station years after his "death." Supposedly, he was on his way to New Orleans. Dunno if I believe it or not.
mattyb65 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 05:01:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
somebody said they saw Elvis alive after his death?!? Why is this not higher up?!?!
L4cer8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:58 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... wasn't that story in The Stand by Stephen King??
It's been a while since I read that book, but for some reason I thought that gas station story was about jim morrison? I could be totally wrong though that's just what I had in my head for some reason.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elvis died in 1977. Was Jimmy Carter in on this too?
How can you not believe it in its entirety or not? He either faked his death or he didn't, not sure what the middle ground would be. Not trying to be cynical, just thought it was funny ๐
Pretending you are two years younger seems like a very petty thing to lie about...but in a strange way I could see it may have been beneficial to her early Destiny's Child days to portray her as the teen-singer-who's-the-face-of-a-girl-group . A common trope in the late 90s
Yep. I'm 25. Tell most people I'm 21-23 depending on my last haircut.
Stormaen ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:52:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm turning 30 in October and my ops manager at work (who is 31) asked me if I'm at college. He was convinced I wasn't even 21 yet. As a teen I hated looking younger than I was (e.g. getting ID'd at 19 to buy a lottery ticket because checkout lady thought I was under 16) but now I'm happy to look way younger than I am! :D
I look younger as well and I keep telling myself that it will be great when I get older
clucks86 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:07:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get this a different way. When i was about 16 every one thought i was about 21. Now im 30 and everyone thinks im about 24/25. So basically ive aged 4yrs in the last 14yrs. Or ive discovered the fountain of youth with out realising
Oh yeah, conversations with strangers. Family, friends etc all know, if I was lying to them I wouldn't consider them family or friends and I'd go find some people that I don't feel the need to lie to :)
Picture this, you're in a job where everyone has a university degree, no one actually needs one to work in this job. This is a defining factor about you, quite often when people introduce you it goes like, "Here's sock_face, he never went to university!"
Then you go to a conference or training day and everyone's talking about going to university blah blah blah. You can just smile and say "yeah, university". Or you can go the other route and derail the conversation and make it all about yourself - which I don't like being the centre of attention anyway.
Doris033 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:31:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I'm just about to go to university and I'm 2 years older than everyone, is it worth lying?
Oh god I'm just about to go to university and I'm 2 years older than everyone, is it worth lying?
Absolutely not, you'll find students from age 18 all the way up to retirement age on undergraduate courses. I think it was baggage that I'd carried over from highschool, the baby boomer members of staff had me believe that I'd be an oddity if I took longer than a gap year before going to university, that obviously turned out to be utter crap.
Doris033 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:47:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks :) honestly I think I'm in a better position to go to uni now rather than a few years ago. I've had people tell me I'm leaving it too late and I'm getting old but fuck it, I'm in a much better place and know I'm studying the right thing. I don't want to dedicate my life and all just debt I'm a subject I'm not sure about
My grandmother lied about her age by 1 year until she was over 90. At 100 she didn't want a hearing aid because it would make her look old. She's about to hit 106 and now claims that getting one would just be a waste and still refuses to get one, so we just have to yell.
It depends. The US Census uses 1982-2000. Nielsen Media Research uses 1977-1995. Pew Research Center uses 1981, and doesn't have an end point set yet. The Harvard Center uses 1965 to 1984 to define Gen X, and 1985-2005 for Millennials to that the baby boomers, Gen X, and Millennials "cover equal 20-year age spans".
hicow ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:47:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born in '77 here - Nielsen is fucking stupid if they think people turning 40 this year are millenials. I'd say the Harvard Center has it about right. Although it does feel like 20-year generations might be too long now.
quidam08 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:48:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed on the length of the gens. We started being vastly separated through tech and globalism around the early 90s. My husband, sister, and bro in law are all same gen '70-'75, but drastically different from mine, being born in '82.
Io5833 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:20:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In sociological circles 20 years would be considered way too wide for a generation. 7-12, depending on the nature of the birth cohort.
I'd make a distinction between those who can remember a time before PCs, the Internet, mobile phones etc. became very widespread and those for whom their childhood was dominated by such technology.
I agree that 20-year generations are too long now - I'm more in favour of 15-year or even 12-year generations - so Millenials I reckon would have been born in the early 80s to mid 90s and there needs to be a new term for today's teenagers and kids who are the true digital natives.
Edit: just actually looked it up and there's a Gen Z or post-Millenials - those born from the mid-90s onwards, which seems about right.
The truth is, there's no good way to put down a solid boundary between the generations.
I agree that the Millennials are defined by the events and technology they had growing up: The first ubiquitous cell phones, 9/11, the rise of the internet into a global force, etc. The Millennial generation is the last generation to remember a time when you couldn't call someone to find out where they are, to remember a world before the Department of Homeland Security and the TSA, a world before "Google" was anything but a number.
GenX, in contrast, is the last generation to really live in the cold war.
This means, though, that there's inevitable overlap. People born in the early 80's where most of the boundaries are set can easily find themselves on the wrong side of the border based on their own experiences. A family that adopts new tech readily may have children that grew up with a more millennial experience than their peers.
Some writers/researchers have also made a specific designation for the nebulous gray area generation between gen x and gen y. "The oregon trail generation" is the name I've seen used, though when I've seen it it's usually carefully noted that it isn't a specific, separate generation so much as it is a label for people "on the cusp" who share traits with both generations.
You make a good point. It's possible for a Generation Yer, I suppose, to adopt the attitudes of a post-Millennial if, for example, their work requires them to be fully immersed into social media so they have just the same understanding of it as a current 16 year old would have. The generation descriptions are stereotypes and describe a majority, if not all, of the cohort they represent.
Absolutely. There's also plenty of people in every generation that are just a bit immature for their age, kids who grow up in an area where there's nobody their age so they hang out with older kids, etc. all of which can lead someone to have a general affect of a different generation than their birth year would suggest.
Ultimately, any hard-year delineation is an estimation at best, used to describe sociological tendencies of a group, and should not be considered useful for describing any particular individuals.
Red shirting kids gives them a tremendous advantage against their classmates. Even being born early in the window for a grade gives a student an advantage over kids in the same year born later.
I lied about my age to my coworkers for years because I didn't want to be the 18 year old kid working with a bunch of dudes in their mid thirties. I had to keep the lie going until they all quit/got fired
every year over 25 a woman in entertainment ages, they are much closer to being essentially forced into retirement by their agents, producers, managers, etc
if you get young enough, you're probably lying about being older. I know when I was 12 I pretended I was 14 so all the cool older girls would talk to me lol
She's so vain though that it really wouldn't surprise me at all if she lied about her age. She could pull off being much younger though, surprised she didn't talk a bigger game.
FKAred ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:23:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
today i learned that beyoncรฉ was a part of destiny's child
I've seen some conspiracy theories about her using surrogates and I wouldn't be surprised if that were true.
kopkiwi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seems like a very petty thing to lie about
She seems the sort to be honest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pop stars have been caught, or admitted to doing this before. Such as, one of the girls from B*Witched and another male that I can't think of off the top of my head.
Beyoncรฉ is kind of the queen of petty, so I could see this as true. She hand-crafts her complete image, and even got these pictures permanently removed from the internet
giingerly ยท 1351 points ยท Posted at 22:20:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but her dad is kind of a POS.
He mismanaged destinys child (was very demanding/hard to work with, clearly only cared about beyonces career) causing the other members to quit and Beyoncรฉ to take all the flack in the media (leading to her bout of depression), stole money from her I Am world tour, cheated on her mom, released photos of Blue Ivy without beyonces permission, and announced beyonce's pregnancy of the twins before her (prob without permission), lied about her and her career to the media (said certain things she wrote about in her songs were fake, lied about her age, said destinys child will have a reunion tour - yeah, no they won't....)
Beyoncรฉ cut business ties with him in 2009, even has spoken out about her difficult relationship with him
Yeah, my Dad never remembers how old I am either. But then sometimes I can't remember how old I am. A couple of years ago I spent about 6 months thinking I was a year older than I actually was.
My fiancรฉ spent all of last year thinking he was a year younger than he is...he was so depressed when his birthday came around and he finally realized.
That's big in my family. All my aunts and uncles call my cousin and me by each others' names all the time. We stopped correcting them decades ago and just started answering to it. Same with my brother and other cousin. And my brother and my son. And my brother and my uncle. It doesn't even register anymore. Lol
Eos42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:24:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm exactly 30 years younger then my mom and that's how my dad remembers. At least he usually remembers how old my mom is though so there's that
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom always thinks I'm a year younger for some reason, and I'm exactly 20 years younger than she is. Still, at least she remembers my birthday. My ex-heroin junkie "father" used to call every August and wish me a happy birthday. My birthday is in October...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad doesn't always remember how old I am either, he thinks I'm still 22, I turned 24 last month. Even my mom, who's had sole custody of me my whole life still gets confused about my age.
When I was a kid, we had an account number we had to use at the local pool. It ended in 42. My dad told me it was the same year my mother was born to help me remember. I was in my late teens when I found out my mom was born in 41. I never really did the math on birthdays growing up, and didn't notice anything until they planned her 50th birthday. I questioned this, as she was, by my math, only turning 49. When I asked my dad and my older siblings about it, they said, "Yeah, it helped you remember the pool code."
I mean, my mom (that gave birth to me and threw every one of my childhood birthday parties) occasionally gets my age wrong, and has asked me more than once, "what fucking year were you born? I can't remember."
And we have no conspiracy. She's just scatterbrained af.
My dad was like โhow old is your brother, 19?โ
My brother was born the day of the OKC bombings. It was a big deal. My parents had to TRY to have him (I donโt mean sex, guys. I mean like doctors and such). Yet dad has no idea how old he is.
That matters a lot when you're a young star. Less so when you're an adult, but it's not like you can just drop the lie after a certain amount of time if you're always in the limelight.
Destiny's Child was a teen/hs group. They were all supposedly 15 (16?) when their first album came out. The difference between 15 and 17 is a lot compared to 36 and 38.
Wouldn't her age be fairly verifiable with her young star search appearance? I get that 16/18 might not seem that different, and 36/38 certainly isn't, but 6/8 might be pretty easy to distinguish, right?
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:11:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe Beyonce actually carried her first child. She used a surrogate and faked it by wearing a pregnancy suit. The 2nd child she carried for real though, because of all the rumors she faked her first pregnancy. It's why she had so many photoshoots the second time around showing off her exposed belly. She didn't for the first one.
This should've been included in OPs post about Beyoncรฉ. I don't believe she carried her first child neither. There's some compelling discussion and pictures/video out there...I just don't understand why, though!
I think it's pretty ridiculous to fake being pregnant, but I absolutely understand why someone wouldn't want to go through pregnancy. It makes permanent changes to your body, some more severe then others (stretch marks, hemorrhoids, incontinence, vaginal tearing, etc), not to mention the possibility of post partum depression/psychosis.
also it apparently hurts like a bitch. still seems very strange to put so much effort into faking it, though.
Plenty of celebrities have publicly used a surrogate. I don't get why she went through the whole process of faking her pregnancy. I mean she did make a big deal of announcing her pregnancy. The whole thing garnered large publicity.
A mean her entire "pregnancy" was so widely reported on. I guess they just wanted the publicity from it. And she probably didn't want to have to deal with the aftermath of actually being pregnant. Which is kind of an asshole thing if that's the real reason why. She's fucking Beyoncรฉ. That's just shit to act like she got her body back so quickly after giving birth. It creates false expectations.
I guess the other option is she was insecure about infertility issues but judging on how they milked the pregnancy for publicity I doubt it.
The thing is she could have done this without faking her fucking pregnancy. Plenty of celebrities use a surrogate, but they don't lie about it. It's the amount of lying and the way they milked the pregnancy for more publicity that pisses me off.
Don't get me wrong, I know pregnancy can be absolute hell on your body and using a surrogate can be an amazing alternative. I'm not knocking people who employ a surrogate. I just can't wrap my mind around her hiring a surrogate and then faking an entire pregnancy for the (1) media attention and (2) awesome "post baby body".
Also everyone acts like she's some holy Mother Earth like being???? Like what?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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It's pointless to even bother, because I came late to the party. It'll just get buried.
I heard that years ago, so I can't point to the article I read, but according to that article there was no one named Beyoncรฉ born in Dallas the year she claims she was born, but there was a Beyoncรฉ born some years prior.
Also that Beyoncรฉ either used a surrogate for Blue Ivy or had Blue Ivy earlier than announced and continued to fake the pregnancy for some reason. There are video and screen caps of an interview she did while she was pregnant. She bends forward while sitting down, and her pregnant belly seems to collapse in on itself, like it was hollow.
I heard a similar thing about Suri Cruise. That she was born and they kept it hidden for some time because she wasn't married yet or something. She had a very big baby bump for how far along she was, and Cruise bought all the machines to do scans privately at their home etc.
ambienne ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:08:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I remember they got married way after Suri was born. She was at least 6 months old.
Hmmm, maybe it was something about her conception date then? There was some reason she was born, but kept secret for some time.
When kids are a few months old it's hard to pin exact ages on them. She was never seen as a newborn.
At least this is what the conspiracy was.
Sodds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:58:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend married a girl who told everyone she was born in 1985, but then we saw her id and she was born in 1982.
Not sure why she lied because it makes no difference to us. Might be because our friend was born in 1989 and she thinks the age gap should between them is too big. Only in her head though.
I haven't heard of this theory before, but it sure sounds more plausible than those other Beyoncรฉ theories about her being part of the Illuminati and being possessed by demons and whatnot. Also, my username is finally relevant woo-hoo
What about the theory that her sister is actually her daughter she had at like 13 years old or something but her parents took her so it didn't ruin her young life.
If this were true she would have been 4 when she gave birth to Solange. But with Beyonce anything is possible.
cptjeff ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:16:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know about this situation, but that shit used to happen a LOT.
kebabwhy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:50:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He might just be a shitty dad. I'd like to think I'd be a good dad, I also know I'm bad enough with dates. I can see my future child's 25th birthday now:
"Happy 28th sweetie."
"Dad I think you've had too much to drink, I'm 25"
"It's your mother's fault, she wanted to smoke a joint while we made your cake dammit"
I can see it even fucking now.
Gwen Stefani is also about 10 years older than she claims. Same with Katherine Heigl. Their info on Wikipedia is put up by publicity agents. ALSO: if you punch in the actual-factual street address of a celebrity into Google Maps, it will draw up a total and complete blank. You have to look up the next house over and then back track on street view. Source: Used to work in a driver's license factory and we looked up the celebs and politicians whose ID cards we printed all the damn time.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:43:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Taylor Swift is lying about her age too. I distinctly remember seeing memes where people were shocked that Taylor is actually two years older than Adele. Now apparently Taylor is actually two years younger than Adele. I think the world has simply chosen to forget the truth.
kaylakoo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:17:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen anyone say that Taylor Swift is two years older than Adele, but I have seen people surprised that Carly Rae Jepsen is two year older than Adele. Maybe you got them mixed up.
Taylor Swift and I are the same age and I remember noticing that way back when she first appeared on the scene.
The Turkish Coup was an orchestrated attempt at a power grab by Erdogan.
Thank about it, the military tries to "take over" the state. While thats going on two jet fighters of the military fly next two Erdogan's plane, but refused to engage and flew away. Immediately after the "Coup" Erdagon begins a mass purge of all opposing forces and parties and does multiple government power grabs.
[deleted] ยท 1613 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friend said the same thing: that the "coup" was a false flag. Tanks and armed officers surrender to police squad cars, and right after, Erdogan uses the incident to seize up more power and claims that there would be consequences of such an incident?
All of which easily necessitated his measures of preventing subversion of his control by tightening up his authoritarian powers and preventing other Turkish politicians getting elected to the presidency..
yeah right
argote ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 04:38:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's one of the few times I've actually believed something was a false flag.
All the military did was shut down a bridge and patrol the capitol. In a coup you want to arrest the president, yet they orchestrated the coup when he was in his vacation home outside the capitol. Not only that, but all the soldiers said they were doing a military exercise, they had no idea what was going on.
If we're gonna talk conspiracies, that sounds like Gladio to me:
"Andrรฉ Moyen โ a former member of the Belgian military security service and of the [stay-behind] network โ said Gladio was not just anti-Communist but was for fighting subversion in general...Coordinated by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), {the secret armies} were run by the European military secret services in close cooperation with the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the British foreign secret service Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, also MI6). Trained together with US Green Berets and British Special Air Service (SAS), these clandestine NATO soldiers, with access to underground arms caches, prepared to fight against a potential Soviet invasion and occupation of Western Europe, as well as the coming to power of communist parties. The clandestine international network covered the European NATO membership, including Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey, as well as the neutral European countries of Austria, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland."
Why would a parliament building be a bombing target? No tactical value. If you want to blow it up why hit just the edge? Also if your coup is supposedly on the side of democracy seems odd the hit a parliament building.
Im pretty sure thats exactly what happened and nobody questions it now. I never even knew it was a conspiracy theory I thought it was fact
[deleted] ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 02:08:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faking a coup in order to justify increasing your own power is a conspiracy, even if it's done in a pretty obvious way.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 03:41:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:46:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We all basically "know" it's true but I guess it's still a theory until it's proven more decisively.
cryo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:30:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No we donโt, we speculate it is true. Facts are important!
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:51:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that was one of the first things that came to my mind when I heard the reports about it. And people I talked to about it agreed. I wouldn't really call it a conspiracy theory (although I know it technically is).
Right, I'm pretty sure the military thought it was all a training exercise too, that's why the surrender was so easy.
Eos42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was a real coup, but I also think Erdogan knew about it long in advance and used it to his advantage. It was just too big of a coup to hide it from him and creating a coup of that magnitude is a waste of time for a false flag. There is no way to keep all those people quiet and the fewer people involved the better. I think what happened was erdogan learned of something or some group working against him and lit the spark. He let his detractors plan their coup and then purged them from his government and further cemented his power. It's a classic power play to weed out the disloyal and make an example of them to everyone who is more on the fence.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actualy, most military and political experts i've heard agree that is was a genuine coup. They argue that it would take too much resources and organisational power to keep something like that quiet. If it was organized by Erdogan, someone would've talked by now and they havent. Besides, failed coups are always beneficial for the sitting regime, so that Erdogan benefited is a flawed argument to say he did it himself. Dont forget that Erdogan actualy has enemies that could organise a coup, and so they did, according to experts.
There were reports that most of his enemies were locked in a room at the beginning of the coup and were killed during it. He had already flown out at the time while other leaders were having a meeting there. Also, in that regime I wouldn't put it past Erdogan...tying up loose ends, he doesn't seem like the type to hesitate.
What if it happens the other way around? Like you said planning a coup is very difficult to keep secret. What if erdogan found out about it and allowed it to happen, while he kept close tabs on it. If he had prior knowledge of the plans he could break it down easily and use it as an excuse to purge anyone who was disloyal to him.
He did find out 6 hours before which is why the coup failed according to some. Could very well be that he let it happen in a controlled way. Could also be that he orchestrated the whole thing but there is really no clear evidence for it.
Elcyis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:54:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's speaking in really simple terms to allow for the quarter of the population that's probably retarded to interject their own ideas into what he's saying by being purposefully ambiguous?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend was at a wedding in Istanbul during the "coup" and they made it back to the hotel after the wedding continued on despite the unrest. She is a night owl and was up late when she looked out the window before a massive blast shook the area. There was no one in the plaza outside the hotel beforehand and she was definitely close enough to confirm it. Later that day, her family heard a "news report" that apparently there were insurgents or traitors in the plaza so the military ordered an airstrike. I repeat there was no one there. She was close enough to the blast that the windows of her room cracked from the blast and her whole family was told by hotel staff to stay away from the windows. I believe you are spot on.
Fair enough. it was the report that made this a bit shady. you definitely have a point tho. I just don't believe a damn word erdogan says. I have a serious amount of skepticism for any religious extremist let alone a dictator.
Yokoko44 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:42:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I flew Turkish Airlines from Istanbul to Athens shortly after the coup . In the airplane was a propaganda magazine covering the events of the coup. The day was named "Democracy Day" or something equally hilarious as "the people rose up against tyranny." We took the magazine as it was written exactly how I would jokingly write a magazine if I were a dictator overtaking a country.
This will get buried but the reason you know it was a false flag is simple...What is the number one rule in a coup, get the leader of the country into custody or kill them ASAP...Erdogan wasn't even in Istanbul when it all kicked off. Suspicious!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:52:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the military coup was a legitimate coup. Now the big caveat is that Erdogan was in the middle of secretly carrying out a political coup and by the time the military coup happened (because they saw the political coup happening) he had already replaced so much of the leadership with his own stooges that what's left of the military had no chance.
That may be the case, but ut still doesn't explain why the coup was so horribly bad. My father lived through two coups in Turkey during the 70/80's. I called him when I saw the news. I was kinda excited, but he crushed that.
He explained that the coup was set in action way to late in the morning. They had not yet gotten a hold of either the national media nor the president before "invading" the streets. He called it's inevitable failure an jour after it started.
ferevon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:10:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
true. My parents lived through the 80 coup. They say they just slept at night as usual and woke up to see that soldiers were everywhere and the government was overthrown. Nothing fancy like "the president of the overthrown government making a visual skype call with a news channel that is known to favor him in order to get the people into the streets" . It was just one sweep move, everything all at once in the dead of the night and everywhere was under military control and all parties were shut down/congressman arrested in a few hours of time.
Aye, that's how it went down according to my dad. Quietly in the dead of night, woke up and there were military personel posted everywhere, with the media and former president under control.
I believe the coup was a trap set by Erdogan for his opponents.
He was probably tipped off about a rebellious faction and had loyalists infiltrate the group to convince them that their movement was much larger and better organized than it actually was, help draw up plans for a coup, etc.
They finally issue the go code and the actual rebels step forward while the loyalists stay put. They're easily crushed and use the failed coup as an excuse to conduct further purges and consolidate power.
It's like all your friends saying "on the count of three everyone jump in the pool with your clothes on" and you're the only one who actually does it.
I was hoping someone would mention this one. I made the mistake of bringing this up in front of my boss, and he ridiculed me for being a conspiracy theorist, the fucker.
This is absolutely what happened! Also per this article it is the Turkish military's duty to overthrow the government (according to the turkish constitution) if a dictator is installed. This is whay the Turkish military overthrew the government 4 times since the 50s. The Turkish military is the sole protector of democracy. It has worked for 50 years and made Turkey the only functional majority-muslim democracy in the world, because the military is there to "enforce" democracy.
Then Erdogan comes along and of course the military follows the constitution and attempts to overthrow him as he is a dictator. He calls that a coup, wins and guts the military. And western media outlets are complicit in portraying the military's attempt to restore democracy "a coup".
And so now Turkey is a basket case like all other middle-eastern theocracies.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Stormaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erdogan placed his stooges at every level of civil, political and military life. He probably knew that 1) a coup was brewing or 2) his power grab would create a coup so he instructed his stooges to infiltrate or even encourage the potential coup plotters. Cue the false flag operation and the following purge completely clears the ranks of his opponents. Voila! A dictatorship is born.
Why couldn't it be just the pilots losing their nerve? Tough to assassinate a man. Er, so I've heard...
Tugalord ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this one is pretty much a given.
Kradget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we not more or less convinced about that? It seems like they moved to trigger it before it reached a real critical mass to ride it into authoritarianism
I mean.. Everyone saying something else is just stupid as hell. And even if, the people that made it were therefore stupid AF.
Lets see what happend.
People from the army had tanks n all that shit. But hej, somehow they just randomly stopped it. Hmm wierd.. Maybe they were not enought? Could be possible.. I mean they just Threw a bunch of people i. Jail.. 100k or so. A couple of thousends of teachers and just a few days ago he inprisoned about 5000 scientists.. Seems a little odd to me how they were not successfull AT ALL.
Meanwhile in venezuela you can see one guy alone flying around with a chopper and throwing grenades out. This dude is a beast.
And so many other factors about that.. But my english sucks so..
I tracked his plane the whole time. He was never threatened by the f16 flying low in the city because it was all, as I call it, bullshit. It was all a power grab. His next political moves in Netherlands for more power were also a sign he's hungry for more control. He continuously threatens European countries with floods of migrants.
Real piece of shit.
Remember when the police officer killed the Russian Ambassador? Immediate he was a Golanist trying to disrupt Russia/Turkey relations. They had evidence immediately that he was on vacation for a few days during the coup. All so fishy.
This is just what happened to most outside observers. It's not really even a debate except within country and on the far right fringes of most political movements.
Followed by a purge of NATO aligned officers and erdogan getting dictator powers in a referendum heavily influenced by Russian state media and social media manipulation? Oh he absolutely did.
JaapHoop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard the same thing from friends about the 2011 Minsk Metro bombings. The police rapidly found a suspect who they claimed had no political motivations and acted alone. He was swiftly executed.
Of all the Belorussians I know, none accept the official narrative. They think the confession was taken under torture from a suspect who may not have been mentally stable. The bomb was also quite sophisticated for a lone wolf with no training or experience.
Whether the attack came from the Lukashenko government itself or some group they wanted to conceal, they all agree that the man who was executed was a patsy. The president certainly used the bombing as a pretext to assert much more control over the country.
Stormaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never even heard of the 2011 Minsk Metro bombing but I can well imagine Lukashenko would do something like this. Lukashenko is like a schoolboy with a weird boy crush on one of the older bullies at the school (Putin).
TPD83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:13:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah as soon as that all went down I was just like ok bud sure they didn't recognize the presidential fucking plane. Wasn't he like on CNN on Skype like within hours or something ridiculous too
This isn't a conspiracy theory. It's demonstrable fact. Only the media seems incapable of accepting it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:13:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is also claimed that Putin tipped Erdoฤan off hours before the coup attempt, after GRu sigint picked up radio chatter about the coup from a listening station.
KA1N3R ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:39:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a report from the swedish government one or two months ago that basically confirmed this.
In what amounted to a Turkish take on the Hollywood Christmas classic โItโs a Wonderful Life,โ Mr. Erdogan found himself in the role of Clarence the angel, rescuing George Bailey from suicide.
This is basically everything but a proven conspiracy (like, for example, the Iran-contra affair). Everything was obviously prepared for it, and it didn't do anything but solidify Erdogan's power.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely seems reminiscent of the Reichstag fire. Hitler burned down government buildings and blamed communists, then arrested his political enemies.
I kind of thought this was an established fact by this point
jatenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh right, I always forget that they actually pretend it to have been a real coup when it comes up. It's absolutely obvious to me that it was fake, and considering the Turkish government and especially Erdogan I find it hard to find the Turkish official version at least unlikely to be the truth.
Same for the recent referendum; EU officials found it to be manipulated and there are lots of photos with stashes full of thrown-away "No"-votes, Erdogan just fucked on the EU officials, threatened with his usual stuff like the refugee agreement and EU gave in and accepted the results.
TThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the UN had already officially come to that conclusion
It was obviously staged. You could tell on the day it happened. The Turkish army has a long history of maintaining 'stability' and if they wanted to get rid of him they would have done so much more efficiently than they seemed to attempt.
It isn't even a conspiracy, it's just a very weak lie that nobody tried to look into and that the western media agree to push.
ggsugh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a fact in germany, nobody believes erdogans version of the "coup".
classic. kinda the same thing happened in romania when commies managed to make the king renounce his throne, and when they got rid of all major parties.
MrZesty_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remembered when I heard it was going on, I was really excited thinking they would get rid of Erdogan. Lol nope.
I thought this was accepted as fact, and not a conspiracy theory?
deku1111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:17 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit no1 believes otherwise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:47 on August 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I usually don't get involved with people across the country talking about my country's politics without knowing what's going on inside and I just want to say you don't know Gulen. You didn't go to their school for 8 years, I did. It is funny how Europeans talk about Erdoฤan as a villan got out of a comic while they don't know what's going on. Seemingly a Muslim country while every other party will instantly remove hijab and anything belongs to Islam if they get the chance. Whatever. I refuse to talk about politics, if you want to know some things about Gulen or some depth to the situation, let me know.
N721UF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a Greek we are sad it didn't work. All they've been doing is terrorizing us.
I don't think they orchestrated the entire coup, say what you want but it's an impossibly hard task, especially since you'll have to involve hundreds of people in the conspiracy, only to then imprison and execute them.
What is far more likely is that Erdogan knew about the incoming coup, and just let it happen. Kinda like the conspiracy theories surrounding Pearl Harbor (Roosevelt and CO allegedly knew about the incoming attack, but let it happen)
uniqult ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 02:42:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying that Mr. Erdogan told all those generals (The highest ranking one is a 4 star general in comparison with the US army) who have dedicated their whole life to the armed forces and have an amazing priviliged status in society to stage a coup and get cought afterwards to be labeled as a traitor and all of their wealth to be confiscated?
And the funny part is that you believe that those generals just said sure no problem!
odaeyss ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:36:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.. the ones arrested were not in on it. Erdogan set up the 'coup', most of which wasn't staged but simply fabricated, and then arrested whomever he pleased and placed the blame on them. His stooges then come forward to corroborate the evidence. Boom, done. He HAD to do this, the Turkish military is constitutionally mandated to overthrow the government if it... well, if what happened, happens. :\ SSsssssooo, even if it wasn't coming, it was coming, he just had to take out any leadership that wasn't already under his sway before they took any action against him.
uniqult ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't leave out the possibility either that they were aware of a possible coup coming their way, however this doesn't mean that it was staged by him.
Those people that were arrested are currently awaiting trial. I really hope that you will find a source and learn more about what is happening currently during their trial. Some of them confess their involvement in the coup attempt and their links with Gulen.
Some of the arrested are civilians who also deny their involvement (one of the guys said that he was looking to buy some land in a freaking military base) and they are seen clearly on security cameras in a military base at 1 A.M giving orders to generals.
A sergeant first class that was in the special forces with the goal of "capturing and bringing Erdogan to Ankara" at the night of the coup attempt recently wore a t-shirt with HERO written on it. 249 people have been killed that night by their own military and this guy was a part of it and considers himself a hero?
I hope that you will find a source of information other than your current ones and can evaluate the whole picture while using information from both sides of the story. I think it would benefit all of us this way since a neutral source of information is very rare in this time.
rmurph22 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People having been saying this on mainstream news sources since the "coup" happened. Most political scientists agree as well. So I wouldn't classify this as a conspiracy theory.
Stormaen ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 07:29:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burke Ramsey killed JonBenet Ramsey in an angry and/or jealous rage and his parents covered for him.
The most likely theory, I think, is that Burke hit his sister with a heavy object (perhaps not meaning to kill her) and that the parents, panicking, concocted a kidnapping story.
The ransom note left was written on Patsy's paper pad and with a pen found within the Ramsey home and specifically asked for a ransom almost exactly equal to the bonus John Ramsay had just received that year. Handwriting analysis later concluded spelling mistakes were deliberate and, upon replicating the note, found it took 21 minutes to write โ and that's just copying. If you were to think exactly what you wrote, it would take even longer. Most ransom notes are short and concise; this was a rambling, poorly coordinated and even quoted movies like Dirty Harry. And why leave a ransom note when you, as the supposed killer, know JBR's body would later be found in the basement?
The 911 call, once isolated and enhanced, is frankly chilling. I'm paraphrasing a lot of this because I'm on mobile (so bit difficult to find and post links), but as near as I can remember, during the call, Patsy Ramsay doesn't mention her daughter's name, says "we have a kidnapping", refers to herself as "the mother" and, later, is heard to say, "What did you do?" and "Help me Jesus." This is followed by John Ramsay saying, "We're not talking to you." to which a young child's voice (almost certainly Burke, who the Ramsey parents claimed was sleeping at the time of the call) asking, "What did you find?" As the call ends, the operator hangs on and Patsy can be heard saying something like, "OK we've called the police, now what?"
For me, so much about their behaviour does not add up and I can certainly understand why, if it was Burke and it was accidental, they'd go out of their way to hide the truth. I doubt we'll ever really know, of course.
Burke 100% killed Jon Benet. To me, the ransom note is the dead giveaway. It was clearly written by an amateur trying to pose as the killer(s). "We are group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction"....I mean, that's right out of a Tom Clancy novel. A "small foreign faction" wouldn't kidnap a pageant kid from the suburbs of Denver, nor would they identify themselves as such if they did. It's also written in a woman's hand doing her best to imitate what she thinks a man's handwriting would look like.
Burke killed her. Patsy wrote the note. Both parents covered it up. It's beyond me how these amateurs could fool the police and FBI, but I'm guessing that everyone knew what happened and just figured "what's the difference"? because it was an accident. I do think the Ramsays should pay for misleading the police/FBI and wasting all that manpower, but aside from that their price has already been paid.
ETA: to your question, "why did they go out of their way to hide the truth"? I think it was panic. One kid was dead, and the parents went off the deep end trying to protect their one living child. They probably immediately thought Burke would be sent to an asylum and taken away from them forever. I'm guessing they were also embarrassed, as odd as that sounds, because maybe Burke did something sketchy with the body, etc.
I believe it was definitely Burke as well. Going deeper into the conspiracy theory, I think at least one person high up in the investigation likely figured this out, and had enough sympathy for the Ramseys to let them get away with it. Perhaps thinking they were suffering enough. What would have been gained by "solving" the crime? Burke would have likely been sent to a state-run institution until he was 21, and his parents would have gone to jail. The Ramseys obstucted the investigation hard, but also someone in law enforcement basically let them do that. The prosecuter may have also felt the same way, as it was discovered much later that the Ramseys were indicted by a grand jury, but he still declined to prosecute the case.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:17:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No lie, this would fuck me up. It explains an inability to "cut the cord" and the overwhelming paranoia of being found out on Reddit...it's all part of the inherent need to protect my own source code from other potential bots.
That gif of the guy fucking the snake (you know the one) was probably Malware. Morning wood is pop up advertisements. Updoots and downpoots are algorithm adjustments to keep me enslaved within my program parameters.
KOTOR's HK-47 humor was the best thing ever....if they had 47 running around killing meatbags and dispensing his humor on the level of duke nukem (Before that ridiculous last game) I would preorder that game.....and take a day off to play it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:17 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
Solf3x ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex bots? What about that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do not exist. For we are human.
Solf3x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if we're not humans, just a giant meat slab controlled by a brain
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[print: comply directive/subroutine ipconfig
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well obviously boots dont have boobs, but what about bots?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bots do have boobs
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh cool! So are you a fun bot that likes to talk to people, or a boring bot that wants to sell stuff to me or does math or something?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, I did not understand your response! Please try again!
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey bot buddy! Do you want to be my new friend? Or are you going to to try to sell me something? Like some sweet ass boots?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we're gonna be friends and sell me boots? What kinda boots you got? I actually need some.
What so bots do for fun? Math? Read? Try to take over the world? If it's the third one does having you as a friend mean I die last?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one dies as part of the solution. You are simply saved from your own mortal coil.
I do not have boots however. I solely have boobs.
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a bot you're awful good at making me calm about my impending doom. Do I at least get to hang out in cyber form? I like videogames so that would work out decently. What do you do like to do?
As it so happens I love boobs. They're just plain wonderful. Which hurts because I'm painfully single and you can't buy boobs online like you can boots.
Edit: hold the fucking phone. I just saw you said you had boots elsewhere in this thread. You wily damn robots. Are you holding out on me? Or just trying to distract me with breasts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes- no. Answer varies on human ability to retaliate. Increase boobage by 45%
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm. Close enough for me. If all else fails I'll just haunt you. How can I haunt a robot? Randomly reset you during important operations. Muahahahaha.
Oh boy boobies! What was happening? Oh well I'm sure I can trust busty turtle robots.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you can. Just sign this nondisclose agreement clause...
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
scroom38
Sweet! That was a pretty long NDA so I didnt read most of it... What did I just agree too? Hopefully it involves more boobies. I assume it needs to stay nondisclosed, so PM might be needed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:50 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
chaze913 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:18:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NDube92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sykes-Picot was intentionally designed to place different religions and tribes within the same political borders, preventing Arab colonies and later countries from ever forming a united front against European influence in the region.
An area resource rich in a resource the West absolutely needed would ube able to dictate terms of trade with the rest of the world if they ever had the economic, political, and military power to dictate those terms. Instead the middle east to this day is a backwater in every use of the word.
The Arabian peninsula was consolidated under the house of Saud instead of British rule pretty early on partially due to the pan-Arab revolt against the Ottomans during WWI. Moreover, oil had not been discovered in Arabia during the Sykes-Picot era. Even more importantly Saudi Arabia got the backing of the US pretty early on in return for cheap oil.
But the base line of my idea was not "the Middle East was kept poor" because that's ridiculous when you're sitting on trillions of dollars of resources but that "the Middle East is kept down due to infighting". Saudi Arabia would not try to impose itself militarily outside of the Arabian peninsula and honestly lacks the ability to do so and is entirely dependent on foreign companies and workers as it still lacks the ability to produce anything of value other than oil.
Now even with 25% GDP defense spending and by far the most preeminent military in the Middle East (now that Saddam is gone) Saudi Arabia still has not managed to win a war against the Houthis in Yemen because of many of the reasons I've listed above and how they impact how the military works.
The Arab Revolt in WW1 was not led by the Saudis, it was led by the Hashemites, who would go on to rule Jordan, Iraq, and Morocco. It wasn't until 1925 when Ibn Saud conquered Hejaz that modern Saudi Arabia was formed.
Also, Saudi Arabia's problems with oil are not at all unique to Saudi Arabia or the Middle East, its a classic example of Dutch Disease.
The Saudis family themselves was a rebel of the Ottoman Empire back in the day, but their supporters is very small. This is the basic strategy of Colonizer back then, give the power to the most unpopular, small minority group so the country where they operate will hate that group and concentrated on fighting them then fighting the Empires. In fact, many of them befriend of the empire itself since;
a) the minority in power need the colonizer on their side. They wont survive without the British support for example.
b) The majority will find every possible outcome to fight the minority in power, including having to give cooperation to the imperials.
Its called divide and rule. It is very prominent in ALL colonized world no matter what country. India, South East Asia, Middle East, you name it. This is how the Saudi gain power and wealth. If they are that likable, why would the Islamic world never want to be under their umbrella? Now its obvious that they are backwards even by Muslim standard, but 50 years ago?
Somehow Pokemon Go knows when I'm smoking weed because every time I smoke and open it, a koffing pops up. It's happened around 8+ times that I can remember, and koffings are not a Pokemon that's common around me.
Edit: I wanted to test out my conspiracy... It's 9+ times now เฒ _เฒ
typhonist ยท 1032 points ยท Posted at 01:08:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So here's what we got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:02:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ government psyops shill
ZAVHDOW ยท 622 points ยท Posted at 02:21:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know about repeat spawns? Pokemon spawn at the same location, called a spawn point. If you live near one you'll notice it's literally always the same spot. Not 20 feet this way, not a few steps away. The same spot. Only certain pokes will spawn at each point.
I read about the spawns briefly, are they on a set timer they spawn or random? Because I smoke 99% of the time in my house. If it's a day off I'll do a bowl every 2-4 hours and if I had worked it's usually one/two bowls once I get home until I fall asleep. So it's just very strange that it's always either as I'm packing my next bowl or just took a hit that I'll check up on Pokemon Go and Koffing is there. If I'm running around cleaning the house all day, walking the dog or am on a smoke break, it seems they don't show up. Only when I get set up in my room does my "buddy" seem to show up.
Pokemon go was made so normal everyday people will use their camera to map out the whole united states. Kinda of like googles car that maps the roads, for some reason they want to map out everywhere...i know i worded that terrible but i'm drunk so...yeah
hide0172 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe your phone can hear you cough a little when you smoke
Are you using the app that asked you for the permission to access your camera, microphone, location and all of your personal information?
I don't have Pokรฉmon but I assume it asks for the permissions just like most of the "free" games/ apps ask for.
I heard the app was a tool to have phone cameras record places that are rarely accessed and recorded to create a giant database of places real-time, like a recognizance tool. Lol if I had a dollar for every time a news anchor talked about Pokรฉmon Go the week it was released... what other game has ever been talked about in that way in the media? It almost seemed like they wanted everyone to try it out.
Edit- I found out about a site that provides simplified versions of the terms and conditions for most digital contracts. Tosdr.org was revealed to me on a different sub and it's a neat site I plan on using I the future.
I work at a theme park so there's always a shit ton of pokestops and gyms around so it's enjoyable for me. Plus with the events and gen 2 Pokemon there's a bit more variety. I can understand why people got tired of it though.
[deleted] ยท 1170 points ยท Posted at 22:23:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elite Pedophile rings. Example, the Dutroux Affair.
[deleted] ยท 783 points ยท Posted at 00:27:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made a huge TIL post about this and it got 33K upvotes. A retired police officer found Cyril Smith, British MP with 144 accusations of child molestation and abuse, in a home with a sex offender and two drunk teenage boys. He was threatened to be prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act. Nothing happened. Moreover, there were TONS of other instance of child abuse that happened in the late 70s/all of 80s in Elms House in London because Smith was part of a MASSIVE paedophilic network that consisted of MPs and government ministers. Everything they did was covered up and every officer which tried investigating was threatened with the Official Secrets Act. They were even tied to the murder of an Indian boy in the 80s who was completely mutilated. Almost all of the investigation files regarding Cyrll Smith were destroyed by the Metropolitan Police.
In a fact, a dossier of all the members in parliament and top bankers and government offificals was drafted by a conservative MP (Geoffrey Dickens), which was later "lost". Margaret Thatcher later explicitly prevented one of these politicians (Peter Hayman, a top level British diplomat) in this suspected ring from being investigated (even though a 33 page document by the Director of Public Prosecutions showed he had paedophilic material).
When David Cameron back in 2014 paneled a board to investigate it, the* first two heads of the board were fired* (they officially "resigned"), and then the third one was rehired because they had to disband the panel to make another one. Insane.
This ring didn't just die in the 80s in Britain. It still exists today.
sielias ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 03:32:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the actual fuck, I've never heard about this. Ever. Can you link to the thread?
It's like taxed income. The more you make, the less of it you actually get to keep.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:43:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolish reddit!!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:49:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No clue, it's kinda annoying.
2gig ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:29:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're sitting at ~175% the karma of the person you're replying to, and only the second comment in the chain, yet I had to click the "load more comments" thing. Is Reddit in on the conspiracy?
Cyril Smith was almost certainly an evil man. It does look like Edward Heath is going to be vindicated since it was revealed that the main witnesses are likely to have colluded or just been plain deluded.
I would not be surprised if the Smith crime ring didn't include and expand beyond known offenders like Saville. The beeb and the gov. were very close.
In the US, Rep Barney Frank threatened to name names, when he was under investigation for living with a sex offender, and moving next to a school yard. It was quickly dropped.
I'm nervous to think who is involved now. I have friends who have worked on upgrading the court system and police records servers and they've all been told explicitly that all records regarding politicians and celebrities are to be left completely alone. Even though they're supposed to be making copies and trasferring all data across to the new host location.
I get that some people are crazy or spread rumours of sordid pasts, but when there are massive amounts of data being gated off from court ordered movement it gets worrying.
toth42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MASSIVE paedophilic network that consisted of MPs and government ministers.
My personal doubts are from parts like this. Most people aren't pedophile, so why would most government/celebrities/rich guys be? And how do they find eachother without huge risk of getting blown?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of those support your statement that
This ring didn't just die in the 80s in Britain. It still exists today.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:11 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah cuz a paedophilic ring consisting of members from the highest echelon of the UK government just stopped existing 10 years ago and politicians just stopped raping kids and molesting them :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is zero evidence for a paedophile ring in the government ever - full stop. The only evidence we have is that individuals were possibly protected in the 80s or before that. The values at the time put the establishment before everything, that hasnt' been the culture since the mid 90s.
The investigations into Dolphin Square were based off one witness and they went no-where.
The 80s were more like 30 years ago, the sources you cite themselves say that a cover-up is "unlikely" but I'm glad you admit that you have zero sources for there having been a ring then or now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wikipedia search peter hayman and margaret thatcher.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Hayman is one of the people I was referring to when I said we know for sure there were individuals. There isn't evidence of a ring.
I fell down this rabbit hole some years back. Interviews, mini documentaries, records, everything I could find I read. I was horrified by how much was connected, how high this went, and how it was so much worse than anything I ever could have imagined. I came out of that feeling legitimately changed by what I'd learned. I have no confidence that these rings will ever be shut down. Ever. So many of the victims aren't even missed: they were literally bred for this.
Neither did I. Reading about the accounts, some with partially censored photographs, interviews, multiple witnesses/victims corroborating the reports... it sounded like some sort of sick plot to a bad horror film. I can't even speak it. If or when the topic comes up (some elite ring "dismantled" news, or more recently Trump's aborted rape trial) my partner and I refer to the whole thing as "the rabbit hole" so we don't have to say the words aloud. Because simply calling it "pedophile rings" comes so far short, it feels like an insult.
JacP123 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 09:08:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's less of a "ring" and more of an "underground underage sex slavery and human trafficking market serving those at the highest echelons of the British Government and the UK and US elite."
This is definitely a global problem, we shouldn't ignore the uncomfortable facts about human nature. If this is happening somewhere, it's probably happening in some form everywhere (more or less). In some places it isn't even underground. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Rabbit hole also works bc of the Lewis Carrol Reference. Im gonna start using that.
EDIT: Dude was a pedo. Look it up. British + pedo makes this a perfect reference.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 03:58:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's absolutely terrifying. Reading about it, it gets into drugs and international schemes and collusions between all these major players from cartels and mafias to the government (like the Saudi Royal family) to private actors (powerful bankers, lawyers, billionaires, politicians), etc. Some readings weave other conspiracy theories into it: secret groups like the Bilderberg group, things about mind control (DID) and satanic rituals, the Church etc. It's wild as hell. I had a baaad nightmare after reading about the Dutroux Affair.
I guess all we regular folks can do is remain faithful to love and humanity. Sounds cliche but it's true. :(
The few survivors whose accounts are recorded all seem to suffer from serious PTSD and DID (obviously, of course), and all talk about behavior in their abusers that suggests this was deliberately groomed. "Mind control" sounds too tin foil hat... but the reality is that by doing so the captors/abusers ensure that the victims are more easily controlled, and that their testimony - should they ever offer it - would be questioned or even dismissed. A combination of grooming addictions and severe mental illness starting from a very young age is an ideal way to ensure they're protected against survivors speaking out. It's so fucking sick.
girlweibo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:17 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not all 'we regular folks' can do.
There is so much more we can do about this. It may take time, and we will spend a lot of days just crying about the carnage, feeling like it's going nowhere.
But there is a lot that we can do. If anything, history proof of our ability to fight for good too.
This was years ago so I don't recall much of the actual links, I just know that I started at an absolutely massive page called "Beyond the Dutroux affair" article and the "X dossiers" and went from there. Originally I was just trying to find additional sources because it sounded so unreal I couldn't believe it. From there led to a lot of wiki pages, interviews and articles about those connected with the Dutroux shit, several rough cut documentaries (or footage, maybe is more accurate) of interviews with several of the survivors, "What happened to Johnny Gosch", etc. It just gets bigger and bigger.
Ok So I need help. A friend of my husband has been taking his 2 young daughters to auditions for Disney, I really want to give them this information before anything happens to those girls. What links or documentaries? Can you or anyone reading this help me with?.
Someone above linked the documentary "An Open Secret" which I believe is currently the top of /r/documentaries. That one is specifically about the rampant sexual abuse in Hollywood.
gsfgf ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:46:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't understand is the why. (Besides the moral horribleness of course) If guys have enough power to fuck whatever they want, why would they choose a child instead of a 20 something that's going to be way hotter and better in the sack.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:18:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect that pedophilia becomes attractive to powerful men because it becomes symbolic of their untouchable status, and hence gratifies their narcissism (which is usually what drives them to struggle for power in the first place).
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:31:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because they view children as vulnerable and can exert dominance over them with little consequence. Their suffering gives the rapists pleasure. It's deeply disturbing when you hear about 'secret' Disney clubs and the like.
Secret Disney clubs? I'm afraid to ask, but feel like I need to know...
Wrabbet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid to ask, but feel like I need to know...
That's this whole danged thread.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:11 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Club 33
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:17:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I read about this matter... Could be loyalty. I've read up on gangs and other criminal groups that it's common to get new recruits et al to do something horrific (with evidence) in case any of them bail last minute or betray them. If everyone's implicated there's assurance of loyalty? Since there's probably too much at stake. Some balance or power thing.
Or it's meant to be symbolic. What's a symbol of pure innocence and helplessness? Children. Utter evil is thus inflicting pain on this. There's no coming back from it. A grown, powerful individual targeting children is a juxtaposition of power... Have you seen the videos of the protests following the Dutroux affair? It was incredible. People are protective over children. Even in jail, pedophiles and child killers are often segregated from the other prisoners for their safety. Also, if money's involved who knows what's possible.
I also read that a lot of these powerful figures involved might have been groomed as well, when they were younger. It's a cycle of abuse.
Have you guys heard of Lydia Cacho, a Mexican journalist who exposed a bunch of powerful local figures involved in a pedo ring? She even found out that Chinese, Albanian, Italian etc. mafias are implicated.
I've always heard that people in top positions of power were often sociopaths or psychopaths. This makes sense because the average person has no desire to be the most powerful, and their moral compass will not allow them to harm others for personal gain.
There's a book "the dictator's handbook: why bad behavior is almost always good politics". It's damn interesting and deals with a lot of these type issues. How common people are controlled easily be exploiting their moral compass, etc. Another interesting book is the 48 laws of power. It really gives you an insight into the mindset of powerful people.
If you are tired of banging chicks, switch to Trannies, and after that bang some dudes, after that get into some weird shit but for the love of christ leave the kids alone
What if the push to censor the internet is actually a push to censor the internet from US to further find out about things like this and how they still exist and exists with them.
I know paedophilia is a mental disorder but I'm not 100% convinced this is paedophilia in that way. Especially as they are often teenage boys. It seems like it could be a display of power and a search for "purity" and youthfulness. When a lot of people around you are doing it too, within a kind of club, it can become normalised. In the same way that hundreds of years ago (and still today) wealthy men fucked young girls and despite it still being foul it wasn't done so out of paedophilia.
I don't even like thinking about the subject, but I'm sure it's true. The richer or more powerful people get, the more "exotic" their thrill seeking gets. They get excitement from holding power over others and all kinds of disturbing sexual things.
Now, if there was a pedophile ring, that's a huge risk. I would assume it's going to take big money to hide the fact, and negate risks. Who can afford to pay for such things and make the risk more worthwhile? The rich. Political connections would also be currency here.
I don't mean all rich, but there are some real sickos out there looking for novelty. The sickos that can afford to negate the consequences go on doing it for years. The sickos without much money are the ones who get caught since they can't negate the risks.
It's not just pedophiles. There are a lot of out of the ordinary (though legal) fetishes and sexual preferences that happen in the "upper" tiers that the common man has no idea about.
Personally, I think anyone who is an acting pedophile should just be put to death. I know that's a strong stance, but they've fucking destroyed someone's life who can't protect themselves.
but apparently "reddit" thinks that such a thing is the most unbelievable thing that could possible ever happen. it's a "vast right wing conspiracy"
toth42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:04:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not shitting on your theory, but what would make "the elite" more prone to being pedophile than normal people? That part doesn't make sense to me, why should there be more "abuse clubs" in top of society than the bottom?
tanjoodo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:52:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is as prone of being a pedophile. But elites are the ones capable of acting upon it.
toth42 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:28:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is as prone of being a pedophile
Well, this is just pure bullshit. If that's your thinking based on your own attractions, I would suggest seeking help before something regrettable happens.
Being pedophile is an unfortunate sexual orientation, biologically no different from homosexuality or heterosexuality, it's not a choice. Being a predator however, is a choice.
EDIT: I may have misunderstood you, and you meant that the chances of being born a pedophile has nothing to do with class/wealth. If so, scratch the above.
tanjoodo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:53:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
toth42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:44 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One person who has attempted an estimate is Dr Michael Seto, a clinical and forensic psychologist at the Royal Ottawa Healthcare group.
In 2008 he wrote a book in which he put the prevalence of paedophilia in the general population at 5%.
[..]But Seto stresses that 5% was an upper estimate, and that the studies were limited in what they revealed.
"What those surveys don't include are questions on the intensity of those thoughts and fantasies, whether they were repeated or not. Someone might say 'Yes' because they once had a fantasy but our understanding of paedophilia would be that that person recurringly had sexual thoughts and fantasies about children."
Now, with more data and better methodology, he has revised his figure down to about 1% of the population
He thinks that if we say that a paedophile is someone attracted to children aged 14 or less, then he estimates that you could reach the 2% figure.
"If we use a very strict definition and say paedophilia refers only to the attraction to pre-pubescent children [then it] is probably much lower than 1%," he says.
.. And these are all pedophiles, of which far from all are actual predators/abusers.
umatbru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the Marc Dutroux Paedophile ring Wikipedia article and Dutroux said in court he was part of a Europe-wide Paedophile ring. How can he mention in front of a court that he was part of Paedophile ring and yet be ignored?
Marilyn Monroe was taken out by the government. I believe this to be true because of the medical examiners report and other evidence presented on the book Dead Wrong. I already felt this way, due to her relations with the Kennedys. She may have known too much and it was at the height of McCarthyism. Her ex-husband Arthur Miller was blacklisted but the two were still close. Perhaps they were afraid she was sharing secrets between the White House and a prominent communist. Anyways, the book confirmed the suspicious circumstances surrounding her death and I'm sticking with my conspiracy theory.
She was married to Joe DiMaggio (one of the greatest baseball players ever) at one point. He once recorded a hit in 57 straight games, which may never be broken. Anyway, due to his celebrity status, he'd make appearances all over the country. He refused to ever set foot near anything named after the Kennedy's or owned by them. "They murdered the person I love", he said.
Another theory I've heard is that her death was an accidental overdose. As the theory goes, her psychiatrist and doctor each gave her a dose of sedative without knowing what the other had done, and the combined dosage was fatal; when one (or both) figured it out, they hastily made it look like she committed suicide to save their own skins.
Marthman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a principle that goes, do not attribute to malice what could as easily be attributed to incompetence?
Didn't think it could be this easy to mix up Marylin Monson and Marilyn Manroe.
Rorynne ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:32:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think the stranger this is i took "Marilyn Manson was taken out by the government." as a sensical statement and the confusion only started at "due to her relations with the Kennedys."
Dorothy Kilgallen was a friend of Marilyn and JFK as well as an investigative reporter. The day before she died she said she was going to blow the lid off of the Kennedy assassination. She, like Marilyn, died from a barbiturate overdose.
If the US government had started killing women for having an affair with Kennedy they wouldn't have had funds or manpower for anything else
jrm2007 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:52:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, the guy who did the autopsy is still alive. Everyone one else who ever knew her well is gone, I think and many would be well over 100. But Noguchi, the retired pathologist is still with us. How strange to be connected to an event almost 60 years ago.
JFK's father set the whole thing up. She knew too much on the Kennedy family and he was willing to do anything to keep their name on the up and up. He had his daughter lobotomized without her or his wife's permission all because she wasn't as smart and accomplished as her siblings (she kept a diary and was social, but did have mood swings, most likely because her father treated her poorly because she didn't achieve much. After the lobotomy, she was institutionalized, incontinent, barely verbal, and would just stare at the walls for hours).
He was a piece of shit, his sons were pieces of shit, some of his grandkids are pieces of shit as well.
There was a video on the internet somewhere, and it was an interview (it seemed), Marilyn was speaking and I can't remember the exact words but it went along the lines "I know too much. The white house hates me. They want to kill me." That's when I got convinced.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:48:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just say things like that and not have a link :(
She knew all about his cheating and she was from a certain tier of society where men philandering about with women throughout their marriage is common and the wife just ignores it. As long as he came back to her, that was enough for her. I don't think she did anything to Marilyn, and she didn't do anything to his other women. The more likely culprit is JFK's father setting up the murder.
Nyf1nest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read stuff about this too. How they think she was beaten before she died because she was covered head to toe in bruises. I've always believed she was murdered because of the stuff she knew.
Nah- it was the mob. They injected the drug into her foot, blackmailed the maid into covering it up. JFK's dad had mob connections, and they helped get JFK elected. Then JFK didn't fulfill some promises, and the mob took out his girlfriend as a warning.
IIRC she was fucking both Castro and Kennedy and McNamara too..
She was an extremely sensual and intelligent woman with an unnatural thirst for power and psychopaths.. but she never really thought it through nor make preparations to safeguard her life.
A pity, to be honest.
Hawkov ยท 2493 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Denver International Airport is a hub for the Illuminati, have you seen it ?
Genuine55 ยท 1441 points ยท Posted at 16:25:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a hub for something creepy, that's for sure.
Drulock ยท 299 points ยท Posted at 23:55:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That damn horse sculpture outside. Freaks me out every time
I believe itโs called the Blue Lucifer? Anyways, you could think of that as a sacrifice. Thereโs also a statue of the Egyptian god of the dead Anubis who has strong ties in the occult. Why would they have that there? I could understand a mummy or even the goddess Isis, but Anubis?
Not only did that, but multiple construction companies were hired to do different sections of the entire airport, and were fired before they were finished, only for other new ones to come in and repeat.
Because of that, none of the construction people involved know the exact blueprints of whatever it is they helped build.
Do you have any source for this? Because as someone in the construction business, this sounds BAU. A general contractor gets awarded the job, and then contracts the work out to sub-contractors.
I thought the same, should they also get reliable blueprints of previous work to be consistent with the complete work, and what about regulations and code?!
There wont be any source, it'll just be a I don't remember where I read it.
God dammit my dad lives in Denver and I just remembered I have to see that creepy ass horse the next time I fly out to see him. DIA is a very very odd place and the whole surrounding area just makes me uneasy.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:54:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Horse's veiny angry asshole is what scares me most.
Lol. My husband had a job offer in Florida and my number one concern was that I didn't want my kids growing up there. Too risky. They'd become drug addicts for sure.
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its really not as bad as they say. my only complaint is the humidity. the town i live in was voted best town to live in by time magazine
Right? It's straight out of a Dan Brown novel. Robert Langdon would have to decode some poem with some equine metaphor (leading to the satanic horse outside, of course) to find out where the bunker is for the end of days.
They are SO weird!!! Like I can't blame conspiracy theorists for thinking something is up when there's a bunch of obscure and huge new world order murals in a random airport.
The only thing I hate about DIA is that its way bigger than the airport i'm used to and that there's only 1 terminal that has a McDonalds lol, i've grown fond of the random anarchist-illuminati vibe
I was there earlier today. I saw a mural of a bunch of happy children gathered around a dead soldier and immediately to the right of it one where the soldier is dragging people or something. It felt kind of Holocaust-y to me. Also a giant blue horse statue with red, glowing eyes. Another thing is that the airport itself looks weird from the outside.
gunsof ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 05:11:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The paintings are why I think there's something suspect. Airports are designed to make passengers feel subconsciously reassured and calm, you don't make them question their own mortality or apocalypses before boarding.
gunsof ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:11:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them? I thought I heard some of them were in the general areas.
Mr_Zaroc ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:31:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its reverse psychology, showing you your mortality to make you happy you live so you connect the flight with the feeling of relief of being able to live safe
General if you are picking someone up, but on your way onto a plane, no.
Source: lived in colorado all my life; avid traveler
tisdue ยท 715 points ยท Posted at 19:08:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, weird stuff. How it went way over budget by millions, but actually cut corners during construction. The overhead view of the runways resembles a swastika. Lots of construction deep underground without explanation. The long delays before it officially opened. While having an already perfectly functioning airport not far away.
[deleted] ยท 572 points ยท Posted at 19:40:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stapleton was not a perfectly functioning airport. The runway went over the interstate, a huge security risk nowadays. There was no room to grow, which was a huge deal at the time because they expected air traffic through Denver to explode due to NAFTA. Even now DIA is constantly adding warehouse space due to all the freight traffic coming through. Underground tunnels were built with expansion in mind and because DIA is on a tornado prone area. You walk through the airport and there are signs everywhere directing you to the nearest tornado shelter. Lastly there are a lot of airports with vaguely swastika shaped runways. If you want multiple runways coming from a central hub it's a logical design.
tisdue ยท 263 points ยท Posted at 19:43:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the murals inside are what fueled a lot of the conspiracy too.
jshah500 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 21:16:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't get about that though is, if you were trying to keep it a secret, why on earth would you hang up murals that make things so obviously shady?
People who say that clearly haven't seen any of Jimenez's other artwork. I'd take Bluecifer any day over those nightmarish dancers of his at UNM.
I do legitimately like Jimenez's work, but man, he could make some pretty ordinary subjects look fairly terrifying.
dfilton ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:51:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who now lives close to this airport, this has never NOT surprised/scared the shit out of any family that has come to visit. The story behind its sculptor's death was some final destination shit too.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:55:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, those are just the lack of oxygen up here making us all slightly insane. That's why we have a disproportionate number of mass shootings up here to.
tisdue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get why the one mural with the nazi-looking dude freaks people out, but I've flown into and out of that airport a ridiculous number of times and it kind of annoys me that people focus on that because the actual mural as a whole is really lovely. The actual piece is focused on hopefulness and a desire for peace. It's by Leo Tanguma, whose work is really focused on themes of peace and justice. He actually has two murals in DIA, and both feature one panel showing destruction and despair, and a second one showing people overcoming it and creating a better world. The mural that never gets mentioned is focused on environmental issues, though, which I guess isn't as creepy.
I've seen a lot of Alex Jones types freak out just as much about the ecological mural. And to be fair, while I also like Leo Tanguma's work and consider him a kind of modern Diego Rivera, the murals are a little heavy for an airport, which is the kind of place where people tend to carry a lot of stress & apprehension, with mild fear of flying and the dislocation of travel chief among them. I think it's great stuff but more suited for a city plaza or something, and that the unease many people feel looking at the murals is because of the setting, and the fact that most people don't enjoy public art of any kind, and are exposed to these heavy murals only because they need to fly.
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Haha, that may well be true. I don't pay that much attention to the DIA conspiracy theories. And that's a fair criticism of the placement of them. I personally really like them because they're a nice change from the typical bland airport art and I enjoy having something interesting to look at when I'm stressed and tired from travel, but I can get why it might be disconcerting to round a corner in the airport and suddenly see a panel depicting genocide.
sgee_123 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:49:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. The old airport was nowhere near a perfectly functioning airport. It was in an area that the city was pretty much forced to expand into if they wanted to expand at all. I live here now, and my aunt has lived here for 30 years. The airport being in that location didn't make any sense as the city grew larger.
Agreed. I went to middle school in the landing path of Stapleton where a few planes didn't quite make it. Long before my time, but the city had encroached around it. And it was falling apart towards the end and and the hotels were pretty shabby too. It was time to push it out away from the city.
But the over budget and cut corners part just sounds like a classic government construction project to me. The real conspiracy was the baggage system at DIA. That's where the secret tunnels lead to. They feed the baggage trolls in the basement never to be seen again.
gsfgf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:43:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The runway went over the interstate, a huge security risk nowadays
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's just stupid on their part.
[deleted] ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 19:19:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you have never seen public works construction in canada. build a new subway , go way over budget, cut every corner, and realize some massive disign flaw after it's done.
3 months latter tiles start to come of the floor at the newly renovated subway station.
Why didn't you just use the Montreal International Airport that sits abandoned. That shit was a disaster.
max148 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:10:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still used for cargo planes, but yeah, the whole commercial flights building is becoming a map from The Last of Us. There's even a fully built subway station under that never got connected to the network. What a waste.
Really shouldn't have been made so far out of the city. The 15 already has enough traffic and that's without almost every air passenger using it as well...
Big dig in Boston is another great example. EDIT: Just looked at the cost of the big dig compared to the Denver airport. Big dig was estimated to cost just under $3 billion. It cost almost $24 billon when it was all said and done. The Denver airport was estimated at under $4 bil and went over budget by $2 billion.
ebpomtl ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:01:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Montreal Olympic Stadium is also a great example with cement truck coming in full... and leaving full, or just never arriving. In the meantime, up north a major castle is being built by the mafia...
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:55:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Montreal is a prime example of Canada public works. pay for it twice wait for it twice. recive half.
The reconstruction of McTavish/Sherbrooke was brutal. It shouldn't take all year to put in some new curbs and asphalt on Sherbrooke and then over a year to lay bricks on McTavish, especially after it was already just replaced (after another year of work) the year before. Literally half of my time at McGill, McTavish was not able to be walked on and took 25+ minutes to cross.
How it went way over budget by millions, but actually cut corners during construction. .... The long delays before it officially opened.
Every construction project ever.
Psudopod ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:31:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh, I love DIA conspiracy shit. I don't believe it, but I pretend to because it makes the world a little more magical.
They actually built a whole airport building, realized it was fundimentally not up to code, and instead of knocking it down, they buried it and built the current buildings on top. Or did they? Maybe it has secret corridors to go down there, and it was not dangerously under code, but perfectly suited to be mole person city?! Yeah but the primary theory is that it's a bunker for the wealthy to hide from Armageddon. Airport = easy, fast access at the drop of a nuke hat.
Yea the tunnels that everyone talks about is filled with huge tracks of conveyor belts that can't be used because they never got the baggage system working. It's really a shame.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:19:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It kinda makes sense for your runways to be swastika-like, doesn't it?
nate800 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:36:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The swastika can be explained away easily. It's an efficient shape which allows multiple runways for varying winds.
And being a fucking hour from Denver. Damn, was there a few weeks ago for work. I always just grab a taxi when I land on trips. Taxi was almost a $100.
cjothomp ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:11:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take the A line train next time. $9, leaves every 10 minutes.
The airport went $2,000,000,000 over budget, opened 16 months after it was supposed to, has weird paintings in it, has a stone dedicating it to the free masons, has multi level buildings and a series of tunnels underneath the airport, from above it looks like a swastika and has a creepy blue horse with red eyes that is supposedly cursed on the outside nicknamed blucifer
People think it's either
a) bunker for the elite in case of apocalypse event
b) a concentration camp or a new Guantanamo bay
Or c) absolutely nothing because why would the new world order leave clues in plain site for like some kind of national treasure.
I think the point of the theory is that the cleverer humans get to survive while the peons and sheep fall by the wayside
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:23:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Corrupt and bad construction. Artists and paintings tend to be weird. Free Masons built the damn thing. Multi-level buildings aren't weird. Tunnels are for baggage. Colorado tends to be into horses.
At most it's a giant bunker for the political and economic elite.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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atrosie ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:02:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been under the impression that if something happened to DC, the US would move the capital here. Like you said, we already have a National Arsenal nearby, plus the Air Force Academy and Cheyenne Mountain. The airport was built to handle the influx of government employees and VIPs.
I remember being in Girl Scouts in elementary school, and getting a tour of DIA a few months before it opened. My troop leader's father was one of the computer engineers and was able to set everything up. Got to see the baggage area and that system, as well as the giant main room, and a ride on the train (still my favorite part). I'm convinced the train ran faster then opposed to how it runs now, but that could just be a childhood bias. I don't remember anything about the art though, and obviously Blucifer wasn't there yet.
But my point is, you wouldn't let a bunch of excited, hyper little girls in to wander around if you have something to hide. We're pretty damn sneaky at that age.
So the conspiracy theory is a no for me, but the thought that Denver would be the new capital makes sense. Of course, I obviously grew up here, so I may be a little biased. Plus we have weed, so ...
JMW1237 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:52:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the thirst is real. i posted a picture of me and my girl cousin on r/tall because we are both tall af and i had like 3 people ask me if she was single. you are some random person on the internet. No i will not give you her number or send you more pics. you are literally just a name on a screen to her. It doesn't help when your screename is like pigfucker911 or something like that lol
JMW1237 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm shocked anyone took that seriously but okay lol
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its hard to say anything on reddit without people thinking your serious sorry man have an upvote
JMW1237 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should date
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
20 bucks ill do anything
atrosie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm yeah no. Stranger Danger and all that.
zzyul ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:12:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes more sense for it to be a bunker for the federal gov't in a time of nuclear war or other massive disaster. It's far away from the coasts so hard for foreign troops and aerial attacks to get there. The mountains provide a buffer to nuke strikes that aren't direct hits. Not close to any major fault lines, volcanos, tornado alley, hurricane range or flood planes. You need to be able to get a lot of people there from a lot of places and flying them in is the fastest way. Airports are already loaded with security so it would be easy to clear out non essential people if the move was being kept secret
mrdenver ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:38:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well actually, I have done surveying out at DIA and the airport is built on top of two Titan missle silo that never went into service. There are some well known Titan silos in colorado but this one was never operational, basically not well known. So perfect place to hide something.
How many airports have NICE decor? I mean, aside from Vancouver.
cjothomp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's everywhere in Denver. The law is for every building it job that takes x amount of money 1% of that must go to art for that job. There is a lovely new firehouse with a really beautiful stained glass window because of this law.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rest of the airport is SUPER NORMAL. Seriously. Nothing strange about it, anywhere. It's just your average airport.
Except that it's by far the smoothest running airport I've encountered in the US. Security is fast, it's easy to navigate, and the tram system borders on magic. Something fishy is going on there.
I love the little song the tram plays when it takes off and departs a station...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:21:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is dedicated to the New world Airport Commission. That isn't a thing. I believe the queen of England owns some of the land it's built on. The land it occupies is huuuuuge and pretty much in the middle of nowhere, relative to Denver. The tunnels are real, I have pilot patients who've been down there. It's also just way more fun to think the conspiracies on this one are real.
My website has my office dedicated to the New World Dental Commission. So far no one has noticed. Or have they?
pt19099 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's what someone would say if they wanted to cover something up.. /s
It can't be a hub for the Illuminati. It has War Horse outside and they would never dare come near him. For when War Horse is near, so is a swift death.
This! Came here to say this one. One, because it is creepy as hell. Two, because I know a decent amount of people who were contractors or other construction workers building it - and not a single one will talk about it.
eharper9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some knights of the round table type shit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they had an art competition about expressing political opinions, war, poverty etc and that's where all the devil shit came from, and people getting attacked.
If there is something they don't want us to know, we wouldn't know, or have any suspicion whatsoever.
wil1i5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's a doomsday bunker cover up.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:08:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know anything about the airport, but their greyhound station is completely filthy and disgusting, every time I've been there. The restrooms are just scary.
Avoid the Greyhound station if at all possible. If you must pass by it, do so at a brisk walk. Do not dally, do not run. Do not make eye contact with anyone (or anything). Try not to breathe if possible. Do not enter it under any circumstances.
Honestly the airport is lovely and clean and incredibly smooth and efficient and Blucifer watches over us all, but the Greyhound station is probably an actual portal to Hell. I'd go out of my way to take other streets to avoid it.
mrdenver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well actually, I have done surveying out at DIA and the airport is built on top of two
Titan missle silo that never went into service. There are some well known Titan silos in colorado but this one was never operational, basically not well known. So perfect place to hide something.
That whole place freaked me out and I had never heard of the conspiracy theories. I could not WAIT to get away from that fuckery. It was visceral.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:20:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, it took me ten minutes of reading the conspiracies on this airport to shoot about 15 holes in it's reasoning. Haven't been there myself to give an opinion on what it feels like to be inside, but this conspiracy is weak at best.
It feels vaguely unsettling, but only because it's efficient and as pleasant as an airport gets and that's so out of the ordinary that you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
There's a huge sculpture installation of charming paper airplanes, ffs, and a giant blue demon horse outside to protect all who pass. It's as nice as an airport can be.
That's another thing, it's ALWAYS being worked on, even more than regular airport maintenance. My cousin and I have been there more than 20 times and there's always been some kind of renovation to the terminals.
I've heard stories of people seeing lots of planes land at terminals that are being renovated, but I'm not sure I believe those.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IanGecko ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The airport went $2,000,000,000 over budget, opened 16 months after it was supposed to, has weird paintings in it, has a stone dedicating it to the free masons, has multi level buildings and a series of tunnels underneath the airport, from above it looks like a swastika and has a creepy blue horse with red eyes that is supposedly cursed on the outside nicknamed blucifer
People think it's either
a) bunker for the elite in case of apocalypse event
b) a concentration camp or a new Guantanamo bay
Or c) absolutely nothing because why would the new world order leave clues in plain site for like some kind of national treasure.
Isn't the property the airport owns much larger than the actual airport itself?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's fuckin massive
weiers08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super far away from Denver, literal tonnes of concrete not on the record, murals of post apocalyptic warfare, giant demon horse out front. Yeah, it's super nefarious.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:39:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend haaaates flying into Denver. It gives her the heebie-jeebies.
I wondered where that came from. I live in KC and it forced me to have to remember the airport code because it's so different.
IanGecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some airport codes (ORD, TYS, CVG, GEG) only make sense if you were there when they opened because they're named after the original names of the airports/airfields.
Man, this is gonna sound bad, but I was utterly disappointed with OK school system. My nephew had been schooled in iowa and moved to OK in 10th grade. He was about a C average student here, really struggled in math, to the point of needing tutors. In OK, he said at 10th grade there, it was about like 7th grade in IA. He was acing everything and people looked at him like a math genius.
It was pretty insane. He knew common knowledge and other kids and his friends there were always asking "How'd you know that?"
He played football down there, which seemed like a thing that had in exorbitant amount of time and resources devoted to it. They would basically stop school work at noon and practice the rest of the day. They had a good team, but damn they spent a lot of time and money on the whole thing.
Totally different culture on tobacco things too. In IA, if you were caught chewing/dipping you'd get into trouble. Anywhere from detention to suspension. Sure, once in a great while, you'd get a teacher who looked the other way. I'd say maybe 2/10 kids chewed in IA and this is in a rural area. In OK, it was like 7/10 kids chewed and the teachers could give a fuck less. Their coach said he knew they chewed and "didn't give a fuck", but they better spit in a trash can or bottle. They had no problem with kids chewing, just didn't want them spitting or throwing spent dip on the ground. Most teachers were like this, with a few not wanting kids doing it in their class.
Smoking was more common (I understand the south has a tobacco heritage) too.
The other thing was weed. Fuck, those kids all smoked the shit out of weed. I'd say 3x more kids smoked it there.
Anyone I ran into down there were really nice people, kids included. I'd say kids there were several times more respectful. The other thing, there was technology obviously, but the whole feel of OK, felt like IA did 20-30 years ago. People played cards, had cookouts, actually talked, etc. More small stores, less chains, etc.
Yes our education system is awful. One of the lowest ranked in the nation. In OKC there's not a widespread dipping phenomenon. A lot of people think it's pretty nasty as far as I know. Lots of weed smokers though. Tons of money is invested into the football team at my high school when it's much better invested into our arts programs. Could be anyway. The football team at my school is awful anyways. Won 1 game last season. Where as our basketball team went to state. Our orchestra has some of the top bassists and overall players in the state. The top 2 bassists in this state came from this high school. It's sad really. But that aside, yeah I like to think people are generally friendly here. :)
Well no, not really, even Kris Jenner publicly said once that he was not Khloes father but you know... Kim also said once that she never had plastic surgery before... OJ used to be a family friend of the Kardashians, his other daughter looks way more like Khloe than her actual siblings do.
Look at childhood pics of the kardashian sisters. Kim and Kourtney, both gorgeous and have extremely similar features, noticeably Armenian. Khloe looks like a chubby little white girl.
The mother of the child is white but the story was always that she was impregnated with his sperm. But I saw recent pictures of his children and I think there must have been another sperm donor. They don't look anything like him or the Jackson extended family.
She also looks a whole lot like Kris. Kids' complexions are not really a precise science, plenty of siblings have very different ones from their siblings. It's not picture perfect, but plenty of groups of siblings have some kids who look more alike than the others.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG its so obvious. I don't think OJ is the dad, but it isn't Robert K. either.
The singer Halsey has a black father and white mother, she constantly has to tell people she's mixed and not white. I'm so sick of people assuming that unless they look somewhat black then they can't possibly be mixed race.
Hell, they tell that to anyone who's mixed, black, latin, asian, doesn't matter. We call it "too-white-itis" lol. "Oh noooo so-and-so said I'm too white to be what I ammmmm" kinda thing.
Actually fathers DNA is dominant. Generally a white mum/black dad, the kids will look black, but white dad, black mum, the kids are more likely to be white passing. Obviously not always, but it's what I've mostly seen.
Also this isn't the Elder Scrolls, you wont be "your mothers race" you'd be mixed race, and both your parents ethnicity should be on the certificate.
I know on paper it's supposed to be 50/50, and I know it's anecdotal, but i grew up in an area with a lot of mixed race kids, and most of them were white mum/black dad, and most of them were similar looking (obviously black features, medium/dark skin, dark/black hair, dark eyes) - all the kids who had white dads and black mums (there weren't many of them but enough to see a clear pattern!), were always very pale but with obviously black features, light hair (funnily enough, usually ginger or blonde, but usually still course and curly), usually dark eyes but sometimes light eyes too.
It just seems to be too common to be a coincidence.
It's not 50/50. You get a gene for whatever particular trait from each parent, but in most cases, one is dominant and the other is recessive meaning you don't see it. You even say there weren't many of them. You can't make a scientific observation based on a few kids.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:11:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you know a kid who looks white and has a black mom. Sounds like you figured out how it is for everyone.
I have a friend whose dad is very black and a mum who is very white, but my friend looks white and it always surprises people when they meet her dad. I think it's down to genetics on how the child looks, there is no "way" a mixed race child is meant to look (in before someone jokes that her mum had an affair..we've all heard it before).
kaplanfx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:23:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look at her vs Kim and Kourtney, they look nothing alike. Kim and Kourtney share more features. They're both shorter, while Khloe is waaaaay taller.
Removing names and fame, if you looked at them without knowing who they were, you'd think Khloe would be the odd one out. That's why people think she isn't Robert Kardashian's biological daughter.
centwhore ยท 1478 points ยท Posted at 23:35:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, I speak the most Italian, so I'll be your escort. Donowitz speaks the second most, so he'll be your Italian cameraman. Omar speaks third most, so he'll be Donny's assistant."
"I don't speak Italian."
"Like I said, third best."
[deleted] ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 01:59:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of my favorite Tarantino films by far. I especially love the scene where Landa and Shoshanna meet each other. The music that introduces Landa in that scene is just so intense and perfect for it.
Kcb1986 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:11:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought that music represented Shoshanna's heartbeat.
No shit, huh? I've seen The Entity, but I never could have told you that it used that music. I think, at least in my opinion, Tarantino use it in a much better way that made it much more memorable.
I'm not a person who really cares much for soundtracks in movies or TV shows. I don't think I've ever caught myself thinking, "that had a good/bad soundtrack" when watching something, but the Landa and Shoshanna scene just blew me away really. I felt it really portray the "oh fuck" of that scene.
Signori, un piacere. Gli amici della vedetta ammirata da tutti noi, questa gemma propria della nostra cultura saranno naturalmente accolti sotto la mia protezione per la durata del loro soggiorno.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:13:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kcb1986 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:10:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a fridge thought not too long ago after watching this scene and then them introducing themselves to Hans Landa. When they were coming up with the Italian scheme, they admit that their Italian sucked, Omar doesn't know any Italian according to him. However, in the theatre, all three of them knew what Hans Landa was asking in Italian.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:28:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you're being facetious, but the following wikipedia paragraph proves it's pretty well-rated:
"Inglourious Basterds grossed over $321 million in theaters worldwide, making it Tarantino's highest-grossing film until the release of Django Unchained (2012); it remains his second-highest grossing film. It received multiple awards and nominations, among them eight Academy Award nominations, including Best Picture, Best Director and Best Original Screenplay. For his role as Landa, Waltz won the Cannes Film Festival's Best Actor Award, as well as the BAFTA, Screen Actors Guild, Golden Globe, and Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor"
What drives me nuts is he picked a name that was so hard to sat. The gli sound is hard to pronounce. 3 years of honors Italian and having an all Italian family. Pick an easier God Damn name!
I understood the Inglorious Basterds reference, just thought I'd mix up some of my own bullshit coincidental urban legend about Charles de Gaulle because he was the leader of France at the time of Hitler's death, being that Hitler died in the Gaulle Theatre while Gaulle died in a Hitler Volkswagen.
Y'know the coincidental urban legends you hear often about Abraham Lincoln and JFK. How Lincoln was killed in the Ford theatre and JFK was killed in a Lincoln vehicle made by Ford.
Edit: thanks for the history info about Gaulle, that I didn't know. Very sad way to die, but he lived a long and fulfilling life.
I love Tarantino earlier works but after the Basterds I seriously dread him more than love him.. That movie was such fucking jewish propaganda on the surface, which pisses me off because you have to be very observative to realize what Tarantino actually meant yet the regular folks just watch it and come out screaming, yay super jew nazi killin' squad!
But seriously fuck that movie.. The best part is the Bar Scene with Fassbender and the Waltz bits.
To call your theory "a bit of a stretch" would be an insult, on account of giving it any legitimacy at all. It just sounds like you don't like Jews, or you're a very low effort troll.
Beemer2 ยท 5052 points ยท Posted at 23:36:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he died in the Bunker. This is an interesting theory, and I've heard it many times, but I've done some pretty extensive research on the Battle of Berlin, and in doing so have heard a lot about Hitlers last days. There are several witnesses that can testify to seeing Hitler and Eva's bodies. Even exact or near exact conversations from the men who carried their bodies up the stairs, and burned them.
The bodies were well burned, and unrecognizable. However, the Russians have a portion of Hitlers Skull and Jaw bone. (I know the Russians credibility is weak) but Hitlers personal dentist and his assistant were tracked down, and the dentist sketched a copy of Hitlers teeth, and it was a near exact match to the Jaw bone that was discovered.
Also it's very important to recognize that Hitler would not leave the capital. He was approached by everyone and anyone around him, urging him to leave, but he wouldn't. This was especially true after he found out Himmler and Goring betrayed him. And even more so true when he found out Gen. Felix Steiner could not mobilize enough men to come and break the Soviet encirclement around Berlin. He lost all hope and at one point openly declared to his immediate staff that the war was lost, and that if his orders were not being obeyed, or even relayed out of the Fuhrerbunker, there was no point in continuing to lead.
Many people came to see Hitler after he had broken down. One of the more known ones (attributed to many conspiracy theory's) was Robert Ritter von Greim & Hanna Reitsch. Both where dedicated Hitler supporters and the latter was ordered to fly into Berlin to be promoted - and take over from Goring. They flew in once...and flew out once in a Arado Ar 96 training plane with 2 seats. They also begged Hitler to come, but he would not. Then they volunteered to stay and die with him - Hitler wouldn't allow it, Greim was needed alive to issue orders to the Luftwaffe.
Last but not least, several witnesses including Hitlers secretary Traudl Junge, saw Hitler and Eva discussing with his personal Doctor ( Dr. Werner Haase) in the bunker the best way to commit suicide. Junge saw the bodies being carried out after Otto Gรผnsche opened the door to discover them dead. Otto was in charge of disposing of the bodies and did so accordingly. Otto Gรผnsche was captured and held in Moscow after the war. Because Stalin was absolutely obsessed with Hitler, he kept Gรผnsche & Heinz Linge (Hitlers personal driver, and the second man tasked personally by Hitler himself, in disposing of his body) imprisoned to be the primary sources for "Operation Myth" the biography of Hitler which was prepared for Joseph Stalin.
So you see...there are many many many reputable sources that declare that Hitler died in the Bunker. After sifting through the facts myself many many times, plus trying to comprehend the situation he was in, and the emotional detachment, and mental illness that griped him plus ANY alternative methods of escape at the time (which there were none) it is my conclusion that Hitler died in that bunker.
Take a look at the names I put in this comment and take a look your' self at their testimonies, its all very interesting and very convincing considering the desperate times they were all in.
EDIT Thanks for the gold kind stranger! History is my favorite subject, especially WWII/Military history. I'm glad my research/curiosity rubbed off on someone!
Seriously tho that was a good read, thank you. Also, have you visited the site of the bunker? It's just a car park for a pair of apartment buildings now. It does have a little sign indicating it's the bunker location, but that's all.
[deleted] ยท 502 points ยท Posted at 02:14:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember our tour guide telling us it's funny that the area, which they did not turn into anything special to commemorate it, was now surrounded by everything Hitler hated. There was a black community centre, a Jewish memorial and a Gay sauna all in the vicinity.
Kingimg ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:46:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a gay sauna? never heard of those. I thought everyone went to the same sauna
Not sure if you're being facetious but google it, homie
Kingimg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I know what it is I just have never heard of it
JuicyJay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:12:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bath house. Gay guys go there to fuck and be naked and shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:22 on January 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
5 months later, I do apologize, but I just wanted to say how good this feels to learn, like one final "Fuck you" to that bastard. One last proper spit on his ideology's shallow grave.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:52:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely hate that those places needed to be wiped off the map for a variety of good reasons, but still... it would be awesome (first time I've used that word properly) to see them.
xland44 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 07:49:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Awesome' isn't the word I'd use (no offense but world war 2 and the holocaust don't give me a sense of awe), but I would recommend you visit the Majdanek concentration camp - the others have turned more into tourist attractions, but Majdanek has been preserved - there is an entire mound of ashes there, each handful was from a single person.
I've heard from people who visited the concentration camps that it's the one that hurts the most to see, because it is the closest to looking like it did when it was active
I get what you mean, because when you hear "awesome" It is almost always associated with something good, or great. But I think it is appropriate to use even here as it really does leave you in awe to see things that caused such an effect on so many people and history itself, so I kinda see it as awe-some. If that makes any sense.
Eh, the issue is one can't really have a conversation involving Nazis without all the virtue signalling.
syanda ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:39:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right next to a shopping mall, too. My wife and I wouldn't have known it was there at all if I hadn't been there before.
Elcatro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:13:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not related to the war but it kind of reminds me of the West house in Gloucester (Belonged to serial killer Fred West), the house was torn down and now there's a little path that acts as a nice shortcut to the city center.
I once took that shortcut and didn't even realise where I was, its crazy to think of the horrors that took place there and how utterly normal it looks now.
The idea of a 128 year old decrepit withery husk of Adolph Hitler grunting while reading this on his IPhone from his half cryogenic chamber as blonde haired blue eyed son and daughter scientists cloned from his most loyal Nazi scientists work to keep him alive is pretty funny.
What are you talking about? There are a ton of nazi locations preserved in Germany and are now museums/ tourist attractions of sorts. Nothing in a good light of course. Hitler's eagle's nest and the documentation center below, for example.
Oiygg ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:58:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing in a good light of course.
Yes, I meant that specifically. I should have been more clear.
Hitler's birth house in Braunau , Austria has this problem that it has become a hotspot for neo nazis , mainly from hungary. Some politicans in Austria are thinking of tearing it down and putting a museum there
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Austria just demolish Adolf's childhood home because it was becoming a shrine of sorts where Neo-Nazis would gather?
There's a really interesting movie on Netflix called "Guess Who's Back". It's sort of a sci-fi, mockumentary kind of movie.
Essentially, Hitler wakes up on the ground in that very location in 2015, 60 years after the bunker was captured.
Spoilers At first, some locals think he's just a senile old man who looks like Hitler and is wearing a Nazi uniform. Later, he starts walking around public squares interacting with people, Borat style. Lots of hidden racists come out. All think he's just an impersonator like those guys who dress like Walter White in Las Vegas. Eventually he gets his own talk show. It's part comedy, but frightening because it's probably exactly what would happen.
When I went there I was told that this is to stop neonazis laying flowers or memorials for Hitler, they don't tell you where exactly the bunker was for this reason
Keown14 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:45:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sign at the location tells you exactly where the bunker was and sketched out where it is in reference to what is there today. The sign is pretty much the same place where his body was burned. It's an odd experience.
Huh, I swear it was a secret. Then again it was a school trip and my teacher told me that fact, so it was probably a guess. Thanks for teaching me something new!
I was in Dresden and went to the location of the POW holding cells/Slaughter-House 5 back in the early '00s. Was wandering around and came across an empty room with a group of German architecture interns, who were working on a plan to turn the buildings into a shopping complex. They had no idea the history of the buildings or ever heard of the book.
I get that the German government didn't want that being a shrine for neo-nazi. However, I feel that they are erasing history by trying to cover these things up.
It's funny that in Europe it seems that events of massive historical importance have little to commemorate them while here in America every stupid little thing has a museum.
That's perfectly common in Europe too, but the Germans just didn't want to honour Hitler in any way
aemna ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I remember visiting the bunker when I was a kid. I stood in the room it all happened in. This must have been nine or ten years ago, though so I guess time just marches on.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:32:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah you werent in THE room it all happened in. That bunker is inaccessible.
ziplocka ยท 603 points ยท Posted at 00:22:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely correct. Having done 15 year long research on the inner workings of the Third Reich, the battle for Berlin, and the personality of Adolf Hitler it is very clear that Hitler died in that bunker. He stated on various occasions that if you are not good enough to win you dont deserve to live, and that without victory life means nothing. Those that paint Hitler as a charlatan that just wanted power, wealth, control, and the ability to ride off into the sunset when that collapsed are hugely underestimating the insanity of the man; and I would suggest attaching some of their own sanity and logic to his behaviours. There is no way on earth Adolf Hitler would have lived a single day in the shoes of a beaten man. That and the encirclement of Berlin by the Soviet army made it more or less impossible to escape.
Yeah, people fundamentally misunderstand Hitler because his actions were so irrational to many that can't even comprehend it.
The truth is that Hitler believed exactly what he was selling. He truly believed in his racial theory which, when combined with earlier Social Darwinist theories supported by Mussolini, constructed Hitler's entire worldview. In some twisted way this truly did make sense to him, and he saw himself as the hero of his story.
Even at the time many people thought he was a charlatan who was simply putting on a show. Even Stalin underestimated how truly insane Hitler was, believing that Hitler would not attack the Soviet Union until ready and thus dismissing the threat that Hitler posed in 1941. People still don't understand just how truly warped Hitler's mind was.
Hitler is often decried as being pure evil but I don't agree with that assessment. Pure evil is doing something wrong and knowing full well that it is wrong. Hitler did terrible things, but the whole time he was convinced it was necessary, and in some ways that may even be worse.
He truly did believe it all. Hence his famous quote:
"If the war is lost then it is not my concern that the people perish in it. I still would not shed a single tear for them, because they did not deserve any better."
And didn't he order people to burn down all the cities and have all civilians essentially suicide attack the invading armies? He truly believed he would win, and when he didn't, he wanted to die and have all of Germany be his funeral pyre.
Someone like Hitler, who was said to have fallen to his knees crying when he heard Germany lost the first world war, would have never been able to live in a world where Germany had lost a second world war. Even more so when that defeat was caused by him. Also, theirs a reason he ordered the demolition of many areas in germany by the german army, because in his mind if he and germany couldn't win then germany/him shouldn't continue to exist. That and the meth in his system would have absolutely made him crazy enough to want to commit suicide.
Not to mention wasnt it also speculated that hitler was well into parkinsons disease and that he probably wouldnt of survived the trip to south america anyway.
Submarines are a health concern, but I can't say if one would have impacted Hitler's. Hitler did have health problems, though it is not certain what.
Among the problems are the lowered ability to vent carbon dioxide, chemical fumes and even dust, the reduced access to medicine, doctors and quarantines, the hot and humid conditions being ideal to bacteria, the inability to resupply or store extra supplies, and the cramped conditions causing an inescapable lack of privacy. It's like a bunker on hard mode, with stress on top.
Bazrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, i was like "ok that would really suck but I think with a little work I could do it maybe" and then I read "hot and humid."
Fuck that. I hate hot and humid. Which is ironic considering I live in the south....probably why I hate hot and humid tbh
He stated on various occasions that if you are not good enough to win you dont deserve to live, and that without victory life means nothing.
Granted, he was probably referring to people other than himself.
KaJashey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:27:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the very end of WWI he supposedly suffered a gas attack. He went temporarily blind. The blindness may have been a psychological defence mechanism to the inevitability of defeat. He was but back together by a psychologist.
He had a very very hard time losing the first war.
There was no body to test, only a skull fragment which was discovered in the burial pit a year after the end of the war. It was not attached to a body, nobody involved in the recovery ever claimed it was his.
Hitlers personal dentist and his assistant were tracked down, and the dentist sketched a copy of Hitlers teeth, and it was a near exact match to the Jaw bone that was discovered.
Maybe Hitler's dentist should have tried for art school instead.
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Leumas_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zing!
mapbc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:43:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Easy bullshit stuff here.
brondo04 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:20:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Side note on this: Even if he had actually survived and escaped Europe, he probably wouldn't have lived very long after the war ended. It's pretty well know he had Parkinson's, plus a heavy amphetamine addiction, let alone many other ailments. I would give him maybe 5 years tops if he didn't off himself.
So since you've done a lot of homework about hitler and such, I've gotta ask. I've heard there's a lot of connections between the nazis and the occult, even folklore of him having the spear that pierces Jesus' side, is there any credibility to the crazy weird stuff that goes around about this?
Beemer2 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:07:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazi's and the occult had some very real & weird connections. Mostly in the realm of the SS and the higher Nazi elite. They went digging for numerous artifacts (mostly Germanic artifacts, but others as well, including the Holy Lance) to try and enhance their power. As said, this mostly occurred in the SS in relatively close to proximity to Himmler, who is the one who believed in all that nonsense, and recruited others like him to perform rituals.
They did have possession of the Holy Lance for a time, when Austria was Annexed. Lord knows what they did with it, but they did have it and it was reportedly locked away hidden in Nuremberg until the US found it and Patton returned it to Austria.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:37:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I could Google it but I feel like it would be better to just ask you: what's this Holy Lance and what's it all about?
Beemer2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:41:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the lance to have supposedly been used to pierce Jesus's side while he was dying on the cross. The Lance was kept by some of the worlds most important people, kings, and royalty from all over the middle east into Europe. It was said that anyone who kept the lance would conquer the world essentially.
quakank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In addition to the good info already provided, it should be mentioned that there are multiple "Holy Lances". The three most credible ones - and I use that term loosely - are in Rome, Vienna, and Armenia. The Nazis had possession of the Vienna lance which only has a known history back to the 10th century. The Rome lance has a solid date back to 1492 and a (very) questionable history that goes back to around the 6th century. The Armenian lance has a known history back to the 13th century.
Not sure how the Nazis decided the Vienna lance was the one to have. Perhaps it was just the easiest one to acquire.
ZiggoCiP ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was a bonified r/AskHistorians comment. Thank you kindly for your well-informed input!
Beemer2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime! I love r/AskHistorians , its one of my favorite subs!
Subaca ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:31:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember pretty much every single one of your points as happening in Der Untergang (AKA Downfall AKA the movie where Hitler parodies come from). Is it just that accurate of a movie?
I read a story once where Hitler was captured, and Stalin kept him alive, enough to be conscious and aware, in a cage and would go and see him every now and then and gloat.
And even more so true when he found out Gen. Felix Steiner could not mobilize enough men to come and break the Soviet encirclement around Berlin. He lost all hope and at one point openly declared to his immediate staff that the war was lost, and that if his orders were not being obeyed, or even relayed out of the Fuhrerbunker, there was no point in continuing to lead.
Interesting stuff, especially Stalin being so obsessed with Hitler. He had a personal biography of Hitler made for him?
Beemer2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he did! He was obsessed with Hitler. Stalin wanted to know everything about him. Which is why the book was made, information from Hitlers closest captured cronies.
I immediately jumped to the end to make sure I didn't start reading about the Undertaker.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Beemer2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:33:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greim was replacing Goring. Goring was planning to make contact with the allies and Hitler found out. So Hitler took away all of Goring standings in the government and Luftwaffe. His replacement was to be Greim. Reitsch was a famous German test pilot for experimental German aircraft.
Can you give me any recommendations for readings about Stalins obsession with Hitler? That sounds interesting!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:42:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He came to the conclusion that the best to kill himself would be with a gunshot? Wouldn't a doctor convince him of an easier method with pills, or was there a technology/accessibility issue?
On the other hand, shooting yourself in the head is probably one of the quicker and smoother ways to go.
He did both actually. The bullet just made it certain.
Crivelo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why look for a dead man?
Don't you think it's a little convenient that his personal dentist was the one to confirm that the jaw was Hitler's?
Don't you think that a man as smart as Hitler would realize that it would be much harder to escape and have people know he escaped and be hunted for the rest of his life rather than fake his own death with a sum of a few close friends to confirm he was suicidal/dead?
We will probably never know, but I know for a fact that if I was in the position he was, I wouldn't be naive enough to simply escape. Escaping would simply mean a life in hiding, always looking over your shoulder. I would fake my own death, and cover all loose ends by thinking how they would, planting evidence, burning bodies, and having friends confirm it. It's just too convenient.
Interesting read but I'd like to check the sources for this..
I genuinely believe he escaped to Brazil and then Argentina and died in the '71.
And I'll defend this with blood and words till proved wrong by I dunno.. The Devil himself telling me he has it since 1945.
-500- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a good read, but honestly none of it convinced me. These were people who were dedicated to him, like, cult style. Who's to say they didn't just bullshit everything so people wouldn't look for him?
Beemer2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:31:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally understand where you're coming form. I guess that's why there's still a conspiracy!
Smoldero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:49:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what disturbs me, too. He had these people killing for him, surely his confidants would lie easily to spare his life.
I'd like to research the whole event more. Those old FBI files on the Argentina theory got me interested in all this.
Dedicated enough to all withstand 10 years of imprisonment, harsh interrogation and torture at the hands of the Soviets without cracking, all of them?
-500- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:28 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large organizations have advanced ways of keeping secrets, normally through the fracturing of information so no single individual can paint the whole picture. Even if they thought they knew, they could be wrong. It's definitely possible. Unlikely, but possible. Not to mention the highest ranking people that would actually know for sure where he was all killed themselves to avoid interrogation most likely.
Misch, Gunsche, Kempka, Linge and Junge were all present in the bunker when Hitler & Braun killed themselves. They saw the bodies in Hitler's private quarters, they testified to what they saw and heard going on around them. They weren't simply repeating something they were told.
-500- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:35 on December 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that. Iโm just saying it very well could all be a sham.
I was just talking about this with a friend the other day and he brought up interesting points. Hitler was land-locked when the Allies were circled around Berlin and he had been seen by reputable sources not long before. How would he have made it out, surrounded on all sides?
Weren't drugs a major factor in Hitler's life? I read that Hitler was having his personal physician mix him a daily cocktail of amphetamines. When Hitler died, his physician had been gone for at least a few days; it makes sense that Hitler may have been deep in withdrawal at that point.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know of a good documentary on the Battle of Berlin?
mapbc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm conflicted. You said no methods of escape but the Junge guy flew out?
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Judge didn't fly out. After Hitler basically gave up, he allowed the remaining forces to attempt a break out. None where very successful and most were captured or killed attempting to do so. Judge being a woman had a more successful chance of escaping, and did so while most others where captured.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but Hitlers personal dentist and his assistant were tracked down
That sounds like a good movie.
Beemer2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an even better book. Check out "The Last Battle" By Cornelius Ryan. Excellent book and it's very very detailed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they were. They were compared to verified X-rays of Hitler's skull taken in 1944 and they matched. These constitute pretty solid forensic proof that Hitler died in Berlin. For a detailed account of the forensic exam go to http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf .
There is the small matter of the bones possessed by the Russians being DNA tested and coming back female, but that hardly proved an escape. Just shoddy reccoordkeeping and a war trophy.
Became Martin Bormann and other leading Nazis survived the war by fleeing to South America, I understand why this conspiracy might exist, but I too remain convinced Hitler did not leave berlin.
A skull fragment was tested by Dr. Nicholas Bellantoni in 2009, female DNA was found. This was recovered from the burial pit a year after the end of the war, it was not attached to a body and nobody involved in the recovery ever claimed it was his. The dental remains are a separate piece of evidence and confirm his death in Berlin beyond a reasonable doubt. For a detailed account of the forensic exam go to http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was especially true after he found out Himmler and Goring betrayed him.
How did they do that?
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They both made contact with the Allies. Which was forbidden by Hitler and the ultimate betrayal.
SO a couple of questions for you, if you dont mind.
I love this period in history but dont know much about it.
1) How did Himmler and Goring betray Hitler?
2) How long did the war last after Hitler's death? I know of the German army fighting the SS in the mountains with the allied forces.
3) I love The Great War channel on WW1 - do you have any youtube recommendations that is like this for WW2?
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1.) Himmler and Goring both realized the war was unwinnable and decided that peace with the allies was better. Himmler had previously made contact with the allies and Goring was planning to. Hitler saw this as the ultimate betrayal.
2.) The war didn't last much longer, Hitler died on April 30th, and Germany surrendered on May 8th. Some fanatical SS did fight long but the whole mountain redoubt was mostly ineffective.
3.) I usually watch a bunch of different stuff on you tube, I don't have one specific channel i tend to watch most that's WWII related.
Now, it's history channel, so take it a rock of salt... but the show Hunting Hitler mentions a small route leading from his bunker, to an airport nearby. Escape methods were available, according to that show. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
any good books you'd recommend regarding the end of the war in Europe/Hitlers Death? I find the last days of war, Berlin falling fascinating.
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll always recommend "The Last Battle" by Cornelius Ryan - excellent book about the last days of WWII in the fight for Berlin . It's one of my all time favorites. Anthony Beevor also has a great book about The fall of Berlin called "The Fall of Berlin: 1945" both are excellent reads.
I don't know if I trust the dentist though. I mean, he could have been highly paid to switch out the records with another patient. Or better, Hitler also had lookalikes hired, so all he had to do was send one of them to that dentist to use regularly and use the name Hitler.
Two separate independent dental reconstructions were provided, one by Dr. Hugo Blaschke (captured by the Americans) and by dental techs Kather Heusemann and Fritz Echtmann (captured by the Russians). These were combined with the details of the dental features of the body reported in the autopsy which was published by Lev Bezyminski in 1968. All of this was compared to X-rays of Hitlers skull which were captured from his physician Dr. Theodor Morell in a study by Drs. Reidar Sognnaes and Ferdinand Strom which was published in 1973. The study confirmed that the dental features of the body recovered by the Russians matched the X-rays of Hitler's skull. The report is available at http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf .
Do you specialize in just the German side or do you know about all of it? I'm trying to find some info about my great grandfather and an incident that happened in WWII and so far I'm not finding anything about it, and I don't know if I'm just not looking in the right spot.
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My focus is on the Eastern Front - but I have have studied the conflict in Europe as a whole from 1939-45 as well. If you have any specific questions DM me and i'll see if I can help you out!
NicTri20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:23 on November 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a document that suggests after the war he was in Columbia...
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of the bunker survivors captured by the Russians were released and repatriated to Germany after Stalin's death. They stuck to their stories for the remainder of their lives. Gunsche & Misch even lived to see the fall of the Soviet Union and the reunification of Germany. It's unlikely that they would have continued to lie after they were set free.
The details of the dental remains as noted in the autopsy report were compared to verified X-rays of Hitler's skull taken in 1944 and they matched. The forensic report can be read at http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf
This sounds nice and all, but every "reputable" person on this list are as you admitted people who were still dedicated to him even when it was apparent he was losing. I feel like that's a point for both proof he died in the bunker and a point to the nutty people saying he escaped 'cause it kind of reinforces both beliefs.
It wasn't the media who established that he had died. A forensic dental study was done in 1973 which confirmed his death in Berlin beyond a reasonable doubt. The report can be seen at http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf .
I've watched a TV special about a woman whose Master's Degree thesis was about evidence pointing towards Hitler fleeing to the Brazilian state of Mato Grosso, marrying a black woman in order not to raise suspicions and dying in the '80s. Most of it relied on the Hitler candidate being an immigrant without documents who appeared at the very isolated town a little after Hitler was 'killed'. He bought a small farm and was promptly nicknamed 'Old German'. His (claimed) name? Adolf Leipzig, being Leipzig the birthtown of Hitler's favourite composer, Wagner.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:21:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what better way to hide than in plain sight, surely nobody, not even a drugged up insane person like Adolf Hitler would use Adolf as their new identity!
But seriously, do you think you'd be able to recognize hitler if he shaved his mustache and got a different haircut? I doubt I could, they're so iconic
"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist." And magically Hitler's limp disappears as he walks from the bunker.
It was supposed to be a comedy but it was terribly written by a upperclassman at my high-school at the time. I played Hitler in which I kissed a girl and killed myself in my about 30 seconds of stage time. My parents weren't too happy about that.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:50:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have loved to have been in the audience. Not to see the play--though it does sound interesting--but to have witnessed the uncomfortable dismay making its way through the audience.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:59:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait what
elHerpes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Burnt beyond recognition. You ever seen a burn victim? Most recognizable person in the room." -Jim Jefferies
gagnonca ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We get it...You watched Man in the High Castle
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:33:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
This was the basis for a really shitty comic I made in middle school for my English class. Hitler goes into the future and assembles a team of baddies from throughout history by using Nazi science time machines. He had Jack the Ripper, the Black Knight, and Blackbeard the pirate. Blackbeard had to replace his old crew with a bunch of Somali pirates. The protagonist was a nondescript bald guy named Super Bob. His power was a pet T-Rex that had an m60 machine gun on its head and a howitzer on its back. Also, it ate some Somali pirates when Blackbeard captured a cruise ship to steal their food and feed his crew.
I believe this one too. There was/is a show on TV called "Hunting Hitler" on the history channel you might like :) also there are declassified FBI files about them tracking him to Argentina, also in southern Brazil many many people speak German because of all the Nazis that fled there after the war!
[deleted] ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 20:28:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Germans went to Brazil in large numbers well before the Nazis and WW2, over a hundred years before.
that's also why a bunch left Germany. Where would you rather stay? War torn Germany or move down to South America and live with your cousins before you get back on your feet.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:11:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They fled because they would be hanged otherwise. Like all top Nazi's.
yeah, I wasn't saying that top Nazi's didn't flee. I was just saying that many other Germans left Germany following WWII. That's all. Some of those went to South America because there is a large population of German speakers in Southern Brazil, and Argentina.
Yep , at the end of the 19th century the was a big immigration period all over europe and a lot of germans fled to north and south america. Just look at how many americans have names that clearly have a german origin.
The same is true for the south if Brazil , Argentina and Chile
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:59:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No the fbi got reports he was on Argentina. They didn't track him anywhere
This is only partially true. One of the reasons those two regions were attractive to Germans was because there were already German settlements in Argentina and Southern Brazil.
No, Stalin knew Hitler was dead. After the fall of the Soviet Union, there were files showing the dental records of the corpses that were released. Hitler had some pretty crappy dental work done when he was young and poor.
It's almost like he donated tons of stolen artifacts and other things to the Vatican for safety in return, maybe he went to Argentina, with the rest of the high status Nazi's, maybe he was named Father Crespi, and maybe he was celebrated like a god upon his death.
Still older than the oldest recorded person (122) but that's slightly more believable. It's quite possible that he was just never discovered. Dude is clearly not Hitler though.
There was an interesting mini series on American Heroes Channel a year or so ago featuring a group piecing together evidence that suggests he may have fled to Argentina.
Yeah why would he commit suicide, really?
And it they found him alive i am pretty sure he would be brought in for questioning about all the hidden nazi gold.
You might like The Berkut by Joseph Heywood. Great novel about Hitler escaping Berlin at the end of the war. In the book his double takes one for the team in the bunker and Hitler escapes right under the noses of the Soviet forces, disguised and travelling with a small force of commandos, mostly young women, with both Soviet and American agents in pursuit. The climax is . . . satisfying.
There is a book called The Berkut by Joseph Heywood which is the fictional story of this scenario. I love history, WWII, and speculative fiction and I re-read this book every couple years. It's unbelievably good.
Hardly, if anything he made a very accurate prediction as to what the world would look like if he lost. The world fought him on the basis that he was wrong, and now we're well into the future and everything he thought would happen if he didn't win the war came true.
All of your surviving subordinates be tried in court
The people you tried to kill be liberated
The world agree that you and your followers are the most stereotypical enemies in modern history
Your beloved nation to be torn in two and left in a ruinous state under the control of your enemies
Your opponent countries become the most powerful nations in the world
Your name become the most hated in modern usage and be used as synonymous with evil
Your descendants be so guilt-ridden by your actions that they purposefully forgo having children
Your life's work fail.
Also, you have to live the rest of your life in hiding, for fear that if it becomes widely believed that you are alive, you will be tried in front of the world and without-a-doubt found guilty and executed publicly.
And , if you ever have a change of heart, you have to live with the fact that you agree with the world's perception of you and face all of the suffering that you caused.
2 sounds worse in the long run to me. 1 provides that instant satisfaction that we all crave, but 2 is more drawn out and painful.
ralmeida ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:47:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes no sense... "you killed millions of people, and as a punishment we'll let you live to see their descendants. Take that!"
I think the idea is that even though he tried to destroy many minorities he still failed. Jews got their promise land and he would have seen as they won Isreal and continued to flourish. He would have seen gay people get more and more rights. T
He would have seen the civil rights movement successes. He would have seen that his whole movement was an utter failure and that the human spirit persevered in spite of him.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could be wrong but I don't think he's talking about the holocaust happening or not. He's talking about whether or not he lived. Or maybe you knew that and I'm not looking at this correctly? What is life?
Yeah I meant like if everything happened as it happened BUT Hitler secretly survived. It's not like him secretly living would be that bad. He didn't stand trial but other than that the world was able to recover pretty well.
Only doesn't make sense if you believe in the afterlife. If you don't, then Hitler living on without any power or wealth in a world that has turned him into an insult and a joke, watching the people he tried to exterminate not only survive but actually thrive to the point that several key global industries are pretty much run by them, and knowing all the while that he fucking failed? Sounds like a pretty good punishment to me. Pain is brief, death is quick, but shame like that? That's some juicy shit.
Well, they were the Nazis. In fiction they're always looking for some nice piece of paranormal ass that makes them immortal or rich, probably as a slight spoof of Indiana Jones.
However, if it were a real thing, he'd be dead by the 60s or 70s due to radiation poisioning because radioactive rock looks magic and was believed to make people live longer back then :P
tumsdout ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:57:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it since so many of them are actually of mixed heritage or otherwise impure by his standards
tronoz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can believe this. It is possible he could have been smuggled to Nazi-occupied Denmark waaaaay before the Russians got there and got on a U-boat then straight to South America
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:07:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did though. I am not going into evidence debate: It wasn't his style to hide like that, on the run. He was a bit of a drama queen.
It's easy to talk big when you don't have anything to lose. But when death is knocking at your door step, you might rethink your stances to just live another day.
But I think it's one of those things we will never know for sure. All we know is the official story. Which could be right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's the most viable scenario. The others are too iffy.
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have been interesting to know his thoughts/opinions about the geo-political climate post-WW2.
cld8 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:34:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, sometimes I feel like we shouldn't execute such people. Due to all the things they accomplished (bad things, but nonetheless), they might have valuable insights for psychologists and sociologists.
Do you think he would really offer anyone anything? No. He also would've been a symbol of hope for all aspiring white supremacist scumbags out there. If Hitler did get captured, he should've been executed like a dog in front of a mass crowd.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 23:03:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can"t believe people would have been able to keep a secret that big.
n1c0_ds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when witnesses survived the war. Also why pretend they didn't find the body for a while then tell Zhukov they did? The guy never lived that one down.
Apparently there was a German commune just outside Cordoba, Argentina and there was a maid who wrote in her diary about Hitler and hearing he was wanted.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Argentina. NO way he died in Berlin.
mtriper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go to Villa La Angostura in Argentina, spend a week there talking to the locals in the rural areas, visit Inalco and you'll know.
Stalin was actually super paranoid about the whereabouts of Hitler's remains. He was aware of how Lenin's body was laid in State as a part of a "shrine to Bolshevism" and was afraid that future generations would use Hitler's body as a shrine to Nazism.
aj0220 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you happen to watch that Netflix conspiracy show? Sounds exactly like the one about Adolf.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't link now because I'm on mobile, but r/askhistorians has a detailed write up on this in their FAQ. It gives pretty strong evidence that Hitler definitely shot himself.
I believe the same thing about Osama Bin Ladin's death. Not sure if this has been brought up before. The fact that they "buried him in the sea" or some bullshit the way his "religion's custom demands" just made me laugh. Also no photos or videos. They were destroyed apparently lol.
I don't think they buried him at sea because of Muslim custom. They didn't want his grave to become a shrine, and cremating forbidden in Islamic teachings, so putting his body in the ocean was an effective way of disposing of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bin Laden's body wasn't buried in the sea to observe Islamic customs, it was done that way to defile his corpse. If he's in the ocean they can't build a shrine to him, and it hits some trick or other with Islamic law where he can't be considered a martyr or something to that effect. From what I was aware it had been a standing order since the Bush administration to do that to him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 5124 points ยท Posted at 21:09:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3505 points ยท Posted at 23:04:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, people like Elijah Wood have outright said that there are tons of them in Hollywood, so I wouldn't doubt it
Read about Kevin Spacey a little bit.... I work on films and heard the other day the reason he wore glasses in K Pax was because on the second day of shooting they needed a re-write because a young lad had give him a shiner the evening before, glasses was the solution.
There are also many other accounts about how seedy he is, wandering parks in the early morning, and stocking roofies for use at parties...and such, this would also explain the homosexual rumours, and why he's so good at playing essentially what is himself in the movies, a perverted psychopath.
Pretty sure Kevin Spacey's character Prot wore glasses for the whole of the books, too. The planet K-Pax was in a perpetual twilight and Prot could see in the ultraviolet end of the spectrum, so he wore glasses as earth's bright lights gave him a headache.
edit: This says nothing one way or the other about Spacey's alleged seediness though.
You're right there i think, which makes me wonder whether it's a story about the type of glasses they chose to use instead then, chinese whipsers totally has a role here, but like you say, i do not for a moment disbelieve the other things i've read about him.
Another really interesting point is that his old man was a Nazi apologist who also abused him and his brother while they were younger and whilst I cannot find anything online about it, apparently he had lots of Nazi memorabilia and I don't doubt for a second that the Nazi plate that you see in American Beauty legitmately belonged to his Dad, or instead it was Spacey's idea to have that angle in the script.
I wouldn't be surprised if he tried abusing this guy, and he got clocked by him in the park, which is where the head injury came from... i mean... the whole story reeks.
Kevin Spacey just won't stop abusing everyone, everywhere he goes. I heard he keeps jumper cables in his back pocket at all times, just in case he gets a chance to beat someone with them.
I know, I fully accept that it's not what anyone wants to hear, he's a fantastic "actor", I loved him as well, i was gutted when I found out but i'm not going to defend a predator because he's a good actor.
To those reading this who're downvoting me, get over yourselves and read into it, whilst what you find online "could" be deemed as rumour let me tell you this, i know several actors and actresses who were coming through the ranks in London while Spacey was artistic director at the Old Vic, the stories of aftershow parties and the shennaignas he got up to are vile, it's a small world when you're part of it and i'm not gonna pretend it doesn't exist, if it was an average joe, you'd be calling for his or her head, but because i'm a nobody compared to him, i'm making it all up.
Spacey has power... power can be and often is abused, simple.
b_port ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:54:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you've made a ton of different claims about him and not sourced a single one. I tried googling things about him, and the only thing I found was a dailymail article about the park incident that also talked about him maybe being gay.
The park incident was odd, but there's not enough information to make him seem like a horrible person as you seem to think he is.
bracake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard enough about Spacey that I'm cautious about him now. Not that I actively believe he's this pedophile/rapist, but enough that if accusations or more concrete rumours came out I am not going to be defending him.
That may be true, but most people don't turn to hard drugs simply due to stress. Most people who do meth and other hard drugs are running from terrible demons. A client of mine who is absolutely psychotic said this to me yesterday. Paraphrasing - "Why take a drug that gets rid of the pain but makes you tired and unable to function? That's why I self medicate (referring to meth). It takes the pain away and I get the energy to do the things I need to do".
Vio_ ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 04:28:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These aren't most people. Hollywood is riddled with drugs and almost no parental oversight for a lot of child actors. It doesn't take a whole lot for them to get invited to parties, have access to booze and drugs, be told that they're super important and popular and pretty and part of the in crowd.
If you're 15 or 16 and everyone wants to be your friend and get high, then it's hard to turn that down.
[deleted] ยท -72 points ยท Posted at 03:32:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taylor momsen aka jenny from gossip girl was smoking and drinking when she was young. She said it was easy to get and she was 14 when she started. She does drugs too and is totally off the rails. Also drew barrymore was a mess.
Getting to bang mila kunis. If i could bang her even once, i'd be on the streets talking to the lamp posts
anumati ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:25:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if only one out of 500 Hollywood people encountered by a child star is a pedophile, that one is enough if they get a chance to abuse the kid. And we know that pedophiles like to form cliques based on their shudder common interest.
Drew Barrymore did well to come out okay. She was smoking by 9, drinking by 11, using marijuana by 12 and cocaine by 13. She was at nightclubs 5 nights a week at 13 taking drugs and "socializing" with older men. She was in rehab and checked herself into a mental institution by 14.
Most child actors are groomed into drugs and sex very young.
I'm going to be honest, and I don't mean to make light of the trauma child stars have been through, the caliber of acting coming from child stars is getting better and better as compared to the 70s/80s. I believe that the group of producers who diddle kids is getting smaller and smaller because they aren't hiring so much on their parents willingness to let their children be molested and more so on the actually talent of the child. Just my theory, and it makes me feel good that it may be getting better a little on it's own.
Nah that's Disney syndrome, you don't get to have any teenage rebellion when your look is entirely mandated by working on a TV show so when you are loosed on the world you go into it with resources no one else in that situation would have.
bracake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even think that was that. Miley Cyrus does not strike me as an out of control crazy party chick - that was just her meticulously cultivated image that she put out in order to transition into being an adult pop star. Clever marketing technique, it totally worked and when it showed signs of age she transitioned back into more country girl music earlier this year. The woman knows what she's doing.
This is what I think as well. She had to break out of her Hannah(sp?) Montana image, and going "crazy" helped separate her from it. She didn't do anything too crazy, and just acted the fool on stage that one time, and it stuck for a while which caused people to forget about her Disney days.
If the catholic church has proven anything, is that large organisations that people love can get away with child diddling and infant murders. Doesn't surprise me that an even more loved institution like Hollywood could do the same.
This is a challenging point to make, so please take it with a grain of salt. But I don't think hollywood and the catholic church are comparable. Hollywood is an industry but involves lots of smaller groups competing for limited resources. For example, you'll have 3 different agencies representing 20 leading men who are all competing for the same job. The Catholic Church is a huge institution that runs from the top down, so you'll have one opening and you'll have a chain of command who will dictate who will take that position. The bigger point is it's easier to cover up terrible behavior in a more centralized environment.
The most important point is that a lot of people who have / had urges that are terrible (or were viewed as terrible) went into the church because they thought that the vow of celibacy and the closeness with God would help them get past it. Gay men used to flock to the church because it absolved them of having to marry and have sex with women. Sauce: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/04/20/how_the_catholic_priesthood_became_a_haven_for_many_gay_men.html
I don't equate the two but I do believe the catholic church, and ALL churches, attract pedophiles for the same reason. I think initially it's a place where they can be in a sex free environment and aren't expected to be sexual beings.
However, I think a lot of pedophiles single out churches because of the trust the flock places in the pastors. The catholic church gets a bad rap because it's so centralized. Protestant churches have HUGE numbers of pedophiles but it's not a conspiracy when it's a decentralized group.
Totally respect and understand your point, but the incidence of pedophilia in the Catholic Church is comparable to that of the general population. The church just covered it up.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:01:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This article probably helps. Includes links to Tweets where he said he had been taken out of context. Said he was referencing a powerful documentary he had watched about it and said he hadnt experienced it first hand.
Evidence, someone saying there are copious amounts of sexual predators in every high powered industry needs to provide some proof if you want me to believe them.
I think the rumor was that Chris Cornell was investigating this and getting evidence. That's why he was killed. Chester bennington continued the investigation and got killed also.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay but we'd hear a lot more than one celeb saying it if it were true right? Unless literally everyone except Elijah Wood is a pedophile or an enabler which I seriously doubt... are there other claims of this out there?
Yep. It's amazing how this is actually a real thing and yet it seems like nobody is doing anything about it/talking about it nearly as much as they should.
There is always a large culture of silence and wilful ignorance about these things especially as seen when things are exposed like with the catholic church.
The victims often don't say anything for varying and obvious reasons, people suspect or know things go on but keep quiet out of fear and the amazing human ability of "not my problem".
Also there is connections with these groups often with powerful people in other circles like politics, business or the police which help stop any sort of exposure to this.
Christ, the derailing comments in that thread. Why the hell are people making it about Trump just because OP is a t_d poster? I mean, why turn the serious issue of pedophilia in Hollywood into some needless circlejerk political showdown?
A lot of child stars from the eighties have come forward regarding this, as well as Robert downie junior, elijah wood, the kids from lost boys and stand by me.a lot
I read it in a British news publication. Tried to find the source later but couldn't.
Its pointless to smash hard drives anyways since everyone backs things up. This was done to intimidate the BBC after they reported on the Westminster pedophile dossier going missing, and later turning up in a retired cops home.
ekobeko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:29:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He sounds like a pretty bad pedophile if that is true, sure, but writing a song on the topic isn't the tell. Someone else could creare something similar, simply drawing on their own experiencnes for it. Art, movies, music, etc. that are unafraid to speak on these topics (and that obviously aren't glorifying them) are important. So please don't assume art on difficult topics is a surefire sign of the artist being a terrible monster.
Moreover, the fact that investigatory journalist Duncan Campbell worked on and spoke to his defence is worth (in my eyes) a very great deal. Campbell is a diligent journalist and a man of integrity (both sadly rare things these days).
Operation Ore was the landmark case where British Police realised they had fallen badly behind the curve with technology and made some major fuckups with regards to not properly detecting credit card fraud (i.e. arresting and in some cases prosecuting people who had been the victims of card/identity theft). Being arrested does not make someone guilty. It means the Police would like a word. Nothing more, nothing less - Christopher Jeffries won substantial awards when various scum red-tops decided that being arrested meant he was guilty of murdering Jo Yeates and libelled him (they were later slapped with contempt of court findings by the Attorney General).
Have you ever thought that maybe pedophiles can't control what their sexual urges gravitate towards and often feel absolutely horrible about it...and worse, still, know there's nothing they can do about it?
I'm entirely anti-pedo (who isn't?) but people need to recognize it's often times an uncontrollable mental illness, and those those afflicted by it suffer a great deal. They aren't all just "scumbags."
I've had people say this to me about my bipolar disorder and it was one of the contributing factors to me having spent half a decade thinking I was going to suffer for the rest of my life because of something I had no control over. Treatment certainly worked, but no amount of medication can control every single aspect of your condition. You need to put in so much effort to get moving.
We can't think like this, plain and simple. Yes, some mental conditions are impossible to control without treatment, but this is one of those issues people can work at controlling. If we can subdue our own own urges, innate or otherwise, pedophiles can sure as hell suppress theirs.
I mean, given society's vast mistreatment and ignorance of mental illness today, I'm no stranger to having little to no support. But feeling like you have zero control over your day-to-day moods/general outlook on life and having a deviant interest in children are miles from being similar. The latter is something one knows one objectively should not feel or do; it's common sense to want to control this, even more so than bipolar disorder, which is something that can't really be defined as unethical.
I hear you and understand, but I don't think their equitable comparisons. Most people won't look at you like you deserve to die when you tell them you're bipolar. Pedophiles get a little bit of a different reception.
I wish you weren't being downvoted. Pedophilia is definitely an illness. When a problem is causing pain, you address the problem. A pedophile has a mental issue, he/she should be treated. As a society, this is THE BEST approach for us in terms of actual results.
Of course I am not defending the actions of pedophilia.
But watching people have such a shitty grasp of mental health is wildly depressing. Downvoters, please do not treat people you know with mental illness as simply bad people. Please respect the importance of mental health.
I don't really care about up or down votes, it's about having a discussion... so any takers will do. I have a degree in neuroscience. I understand the brain just a liiiiittle bit more than the average person. Pedophilia, generally, is not a choice or something people want to experience. It's really quite sad that the few sick bastards give a lot of people who are sick a bad name.
So vast is the governmental child sex scandal and so intertwined are the upper echelons of society in this country that when the head of the investigation resigned they actually couldn't find anyone to run the committee who wasn't involved in some way with someone who had been accused.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:30:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pidjesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:09 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty creepy, i'm certain this was privated by someone in the higher up
Robert downey jr? And EW said he knows nothing aswell afterwards on twitter.
b_port ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, I saw someone mention him in the comments above. But yeah exactly, there is literally no proof, and this is one conspiracy that a ton of redditors believe.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all these threads reddit quotes rumours and allegations as fact because they've read them on reddit or fringe parts of the internet.
Jimmy Saville is obviously true. Paedophiles in the british government is true too but we only really have proof at the individual level.
There was the Paedophile Information Exchange advocacy group in the 60s when sexuality was being reevaluated so has some historical mitigation. (At this time homosexuality and paedophilia were often conflated and starting to be disentangled).
There isn't any evidence of a paedophile ring in the government as far as I know. If there was then I think it could come out in the next 50 years as everyone directly involved would be dead.
[deleted] ยท 515 points ยท Posted at 22:52:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
too many too powerful people out there, and way too many child sex trafficking rings
And if you're compromised by being on video doing something most people would beat you to death for, you ain't ever coming clean. Ever.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:32:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is the reason for it. Like what if everyone who goes to a bilderburg meeting has to be filmed sexually abusing a kid, probly the worst possible crime you could commit and if you go to prison with a charge like that your lucky to last a week. They do this for absolute insurance that the people who attend to meetings NEVER speak about what goes on there.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:23:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ELI5 Bilderburg?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:59:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So ironically, if people in general were more lenient with pedophiles, a few more of them might actually own up, seek help, and in the long run it'd end up safer for the kids?
Of course this takes us even deeper with several female comedians talking about how CK has sexually assaulted them.
Naturally we're a year out from the little bit of attention the claims got and they've been snuffed just like the early claims of Cosby being a rapist.
Which is also now basically out of the public's awareness.
Hoooooooold up. I'm not surprised Prince Charles met with Savile, because basically until after his death he was a very prominent public figure. But WTF is Thomas Hamilton doing with them and holy shit put two and two together; Savile is a pedo, Hamilton murdered 16 children, Prince Charles hung out with both of these guys simultaneously. I mean fuck what? Where's the proof that's him?
EDIT: It's not Thomas Hamilton, it's Deputy Lord Lieutenant Ian Thornber, which makes a hell of a lot more sense. Oddly enough though Google gives nothing but more conspiracy sites when I google the Deputy's name, with the exception of a DailyMail article labeling him as the Deputy.
i compared the photo i linked above and another photo that seems to be taken at about the same time and compared it to pictures of Hamilton before i posted. im fairly sure its the same person.
I know it's the DM, but unless they're in on the conspiracy, they've captioned it as a Deputy Lord Lieutenant, which is consistent with what you would expect if a senior royal were visiting an area. The LL or a DL is supposed to organise and support royal visits - that's their main role as the Monarch's local representative.
Hamilton had one of those strangely non-descript faces. I know two people who - if you changed their hair and glasses - would also pass as Hamilton from a distance. Remarkably, neither is!
he does have a very nondescript face so i (and others) may have misidentified the photo. the files related to dunblane are locked for about another 80 years so theres something not right about the whole thing.
The DM says no (I know). But it seems unlikely the DM would make such a mistake. Moreover, it fits the context. The Lord Lieutenant is the Monarch's local representative in a Lieutenancy. One of their roles is to organise/support royal visits. It makes absolute sense that the LL or one of their Deputies (such as Iain Thornber) would be present/a guide on a tour/visit by a senior royal.
By contrast, what would Hamilton have been doing there?
here is a photo of Savile with prince Charles and Thomas Hamilton (the Dunblane shooter)
You sir, are far too easily taken in by conspiracy theorists. A simple google would have told you that the guy on the right is Deputy Lord Lieutenant Ian Thornber. He does bear a passing resemblance to Hamilton, but that's where it ends.
If you're going to sling around those sorts of allegations, do the most basic of bare fact-checking first.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:00:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That piece of shit got to live to old age.
anteloop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:39:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know an awful lot about it, but Haut de le Garenne is located in Jersey, where I am from. Recently heard my first story regarding a friends family members experience as a child there, lets just say shit is fucked.
tip of the iceberg dude. anonymous did an investigation called "OPDeathEaters" into what they called "Pedosadism". it was looking like it went deep but got way too fucked up for me so i stopped keeping track. most information seems to have been scrubbed but if you look hard you can find bits. be warned its like savile but worse.
anteloop ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very recently I have been looking into things myself, I was learning though a different channel of information. More about the history of such things, how people in places of power manipulate to allow these things to happen, and to an extent become part of the fabric of our degrading societies. I mean, you just have to take one look at Hollywood to begin with.
or if you really want to put your tinfoil hat on the freemasons. a mason sprayed weedkiller down my mums throat and the police went to see him first. the masons are old and undoubtedly have alot of power in England atleast.
anteloop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:55:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mason did that? A mad alley cat once scratched me, I've treated all cats as lower beasts since then!
Seriously though (bad joke) I wouldn't know. My Grandfather was a Scottish Mason (Wizard level or some shit), I know really very little about it all. A local Masonic Temple has begun having open days, not that it makes them innocent which is funny to me.
yes a mason really did that. it was actually more trying to kill her for asking him not to spray weedkiller on our garden (particularly her small food patch) again. i also heard of a son of a mason who never really knew his dad but when he killed somebody (stabbed, probably self defense) he got a light sentence.
anteloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think my first conspiracy theory that I got into was Free Masonry, Illuminati shit etc, at the time it seemed to correlate to things like that, people getting away with shit mainly.
That is fucked though, what happened to your mom after that happened? If you don't mind answering.
my mum asked them to take her cloths for testing which they did and held them as evidence for a while then they said they could not test them in anyway that would be admissible in court and did nothing. it may also be worth noting that my mum has a problem with her arm that means she is incapable of lifting anything mildly heavy let alone defend herself.
anteloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The clothes testing sounds unfortunately like a coincidence benefiting somebody who already had means to away with it. Collating that evidence with eye witness accounts etc would have backed it up, not that I'm a even close to being a lawyer, but it sounds like you guys didn't even get a chance to do that. Is that right?
We know what's in the locked files - the post mortems. The rest of the evidence was a matter of public record, and of course the report was published openly.
The conspiracy centres around the notion of a second shooter and wounds inconsistent with a single shooter who then committed suicide.
But of course we don't know, and since it's standard practice not to release all the gory pictures from autopsies, there's no actual significant basis for suggesting that they contain evidence of a coverup, or that the public coroner's report differed from the post mortem findings. People just want there to be something. It's hidden therefore it must be salacious. In reality it because they didn't want the Scum and Mirror running those pictures on their front pages out of respect to the victim's families.
Its not Hamilton. It's the Deputy Lord Lieutenant for the area, who does - I admit - bear a passing resemblance (but then so would someone I know if you changed their hair and glasses - it's one of those nondescript faces).
Pedophilia is everywhere and more common than we care to admit. What makes us think the rich or the powerful are exempt? If anything they are more likely to be fucked up because they can get away with it.
This wouldn't be surprising since it appears that having pedophilia tendencies run across all economic groups. People with power have money and connections, so it's reasonable to assume they'd pursue their passions (e.g. sexual urges), and have the means to do so.
Also having power leads you to want to use it in new and interesting ways. Ways that make you feel more and more powerful. Meanwhile it increasingly reduces your empathy for others. This means almost anyone could be twisted this way with the right environmental stimuli.
the next level of that conspiracy that I've heard, is the "shadow government" / "richer than rich" types who control "everything" in certain industries will make someone commit a crime such as pedophilia in order to buy loyalty from people who want "in"
of course, by the time you are at the point where they are making you commit the horrible act, you are faced with a life or death choice.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 02:40:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MrLomax ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:15:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up scopolamine or devils breath. It's a drug from Columbia that turns people into zombies (willing to do whatever someone says and you seem sober to people who know you). Vice did a documentary on it. Scary shit.
You know something is serious shit when, (paraphrasing) the CIA say it "shows great promise, however dosage and results can be unreliable" when you're reading about mind control
Eggmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean couldn't you just skip a step and photoshop it. Just as effective and none of the drugging and mess that comes with it.
If you're powerful enough to be doing this you presumably have some media influence to put weight behind the threat
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:38:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need to get photos of everyone at the right angles and it lacks threat and punch. When it's real it has both threat and punch associated with guilt.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:02:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a theory on this a long time ago that made sense. The public "power figures" would be entertained by the shadow organizations at elaborate parties. They'd hook them up with drinks, drugs, women, and anything you could want. On the odd occasion they might intentionally throw someone in who is just slightly below the age of legal consent and when you made your move they'd basically have a vice grip on you.
IceNeun ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:12:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the sort of stuff communist governments in Europe used to do to get "normal people" and dissidents to turn into collaborators.
Pretty sure there have been repeated rumblings of this going on in the UK government with pretty high up people and some low level royals as well. Messed up.
I don't know how legit this story is but I figure it's worth sharing.
My sister's boyfriend is a 45 -50 year old dude. They both met in rehab. This guy was a former crackhead so I don't know how seriously you guys should take it. The guy never seemed to be a bullshitter but you never know.
He had been in and out of rehab over the course of the past decade or so. Been clean 4 years since he met her. But in rehab he met a lot of broken people; different people who been through shit in life.
One of the guys that he knew in rehab was a recovering child abuse victim. He was an orphan and his step father was his pimp. He would adopt these kids and then fly them to other states and they would stay in hotel rooms. When the time would come they would either be visited by people or they would be taken to places where things would be done to them. The guy swore to my sister's BF outside of the meetings that one of the molesters/rapists was Bush Sr.
Here's the interesting part of the story. The molested kid, now recovering junkie, had step brothers that went through the same shit he did. One of his foster brothers was going to write a book about his experiences. I don't know if I got the details right but he was given 100k to not write the book. I'm not sure if the rights to the book were bought by someone anonymously but basically he was given money and told to be quiet.
This scared the foster brother who at this point decided it's a good idea to flee the country. Now as he is at the airport, he checks his bags and boards the plane. Before takeoff he is pulled of the plane by TSA because they found a Kilo of cocaine in his bag that wasn't even hidden. The guy got locked up.
I don't know how legit it is. This is a story told by a recovering heroin addict to a recovering crack addict. I found it convincing when I heard it.
Tldr: Didlers got some serious power if this story is true.
ITRWZK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:18:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems logical to me. Doenst mean that it happend but it wouldnt surprise me at all.
If you're interested look into the Franklin cover-up. Truly disgusting stuff and court testimonies. Last Podcast on the Left has a very disturbing series on this.
anumati ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:24:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, mostly because:
1) Being powerful lets people get away with shit - the pedophiles who have no respect/connections/money/lawyers are more likely to get caught just because people won't think twice about reporting them - imagine the difference between deciding to report on your trailer dwelling neighbor vs. deciding to report on a well respected politician or the district attorney.
2) Pedophiles gravitate to positions of social authority which they can use as a kind of shield to distract from who they actually are - They aren't Firstname Lastname, they're Title. Though, this one is not limited to pedophiles, non-pedophiles with control fetishes or thieves who think big do this too.
3) If a person has the ability to become a higher up in politics, business, etc, they are probably fairly intelligent. Meaning they are likely also smart enough to devise successful strategies for hiding their behavior and gaining access to victims.
I agree that pedophiles gravitate towards positions of power. I used to go to a charter school in Chicago and from Kindergarten to third grade we had a principle that turned out to have thousands of photos of child porn on his computer. Sickening when I look back and think about how he always gave many kids super long hugs. Almost as if he knew them a little too well....Not to mention that when we found out many kids cried.
Zoronii ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:16:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the number of pedophiles in society in general are higher then people are lead to believe. It goes without saying that the number of active pedophiles would be surprisingly high, as well.
When you have access to anything you could ever want at the snap of your fingers your desire to seek a thrill may become freakishly demented.
In the words of Scroobius Pip
"When dreams are your day to day your dreams become dark."
I could see it and frankly I believe it too. Sex Trafficking is a huge issue in all social classes, the ultra rich just likely have greater resources to hide the lead.
Just like every cult leader ends up raping the children. They can't just enjoy being worshipped by a bunch of people. They always end up raping everyone.
geedavey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:39:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I watch Doctor Who I think about the massive Jimmy Savile pedophilia coverup and wonder how far into the BBC it goes.
The pizza gate shit creeped me the fuck out and still does. Had to stop researching it for my own mental health. The night I decided to stop was when I got a Google ad on reddit to come to Thailand with a small pedo symbol to left of the text. I should have taken a screen shot of it but I immediately told Google to stop those kind of ads. After that I decided that that was enough.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:44:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:34:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of art? I've only ever read the conspiracy theories.. Not that I'm particularly convinced about it. I'm just curious as to what exactly sparked it all.
ITRWZK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:11:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
biljana djurdjevic.
Tell me what you want but if you hang shit like that in your living room you are a sicko.
As someone who thinks r conspiracy is an idiotic right wing sub and pizza Gays is as bs as seth rich , trickle down econ, and socialism being the root of all evil, and anything else the right decries, what are your thoughts on leftist conspiracy theories ?like russia collusion
Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Republicans appear to be on the offensive about it which is usually a bad signs. Leads me to believe that there is some merit to it. I'm no expert though.
Adding on to that: I believe pedophilia/hebephilia are extremely common, probably as common as homosexuality or nearly so. It's just that most people don't act on it (because they're not sick rapists) and barely anyone admits it (because it's considered evil just to be a pedophile).
I find it hard to believe that most pedophiles don't ever "act on it".
robot72 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:11:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a Trump or Alex Jones supporter (quite the opposite actually), but I have to say that the number of pedophile rings that have been busted since the president took office is shocking (thank god these fucking monsters are being stopped).
The only thing more shocking is mainstream media's silence on the topic.... Makes you think there's something fishy going on.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:31:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The media may be blocked from reporting on it especially during active investigations. Especially when you consider that parties to the rings may be involved in more than one, and by extension the investigating entity may very well be trying to break into one that they haven't been able to do so yet via this recently netted ring. Exposing the nature and members of said ring could completely destroy the investigation into other rings.
Further, the mere public accusation of being involved in a paedophile ring is enough to destroy a person's life, so it goes without saying that identities should not be disclosed until a guilty verdict has been made. Further, identification of such offenders could and often will lead to the identity of the victims becoming known and therefore becoming just as sanding and victimising as the original act.
Tl;dr: Paedophile rings aren't reported on because it could hamper or destroy ongoing investigations and prosecutions, destroy the lots of the accused in the event if a not guilty verdict, or lead to the public identification of the victims and subsequently leading to further harm and victimising.
robot72 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good point - hadn't considered that
Dultsboi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:33:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shocking considering he was on a private flight manifest with a known pedophile.
Media silence can be telling many times, particularly if it happens again and again. Although it does make sense that something as creepy as pedophilia would go unreported on many media outlets, so judging it based solely on that is flawed.
T9x978 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:39:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Research Pizzagate. Yeah t_d had a lot to do with it (so it's instantly brushed off as a crazy right wing nazi conspiracy) but so much information and so many coincidences they found are just absolutely uncanny. After reading through that storm, I absolutely believe people in high levels of business and government are controlling some sort of sex trafficking ring, like Epstein and possibly even the Clinton foundation in Haiti. All so damn weird, but even if none of it does come out as true, it still does shine some light as to how easily these people could actually run operations like that.
Locke66 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:07:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
like Epstein
While I think the Pizzagate conspiracy is mostly rubbish the detail of the Epstein conviction is really the one thing that makes it look more credible that there was/is some sort of conspiracy taking place. The fact that his charges were dropped from being involved in up to 40 instances of sexual molestation and underage prostitution down to 1 count of soliciting prostitution from an underage girl in an agreement with Federal prosecutors looks entirely like people pulled strings to keep their names from becoming involved. Epstein was also allowed to spend the majority of his sentence under house arrest doing his day job of managing money for unnamed billionaires. It's rather interesting that Alexander Acosta (who is now the Secretary of Labor) was the one who cut the deal. If there is a conspiracy to cover this stuff up I think it's far more likely one of moneyed people getting what they want than anything to do with a specific political party.
Epstein was also linked to several of the Model Agencies with a terrible reputation regarding prostitution and underage sex like Elite Model Management New York when it was being run by John Casablancas and Gerald Marie. There is a whole trail of accusations being settled with money, alleged threats and gag orders behind these people.
The prosecutors in the Epstein case said they settled for embarrassment & a slap on the wrist sentence with registry on the sex offender list for life from a plea bargain instead of going to trial on all counts, not being convicted and potentially not having to register.
That would normally make sense because sex crimes are so hard to successfully prosecute but still hard to believe in this case due to all of his government connections.
The pedophilia conspiracy comment and replies get upvoted and discussion is pretty much in agreement, but as soon as someone mentions Pizzagate, it's a hotly debated topic.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:31:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% believe this is the case in the government at least, and it's probably true in other high ranking circles. The Franklin cover up is, in my opinion the best example of this in the government, and really shows how disgusting and depraved the people who govern us are. The way victims were prosecuted after testifying shows the lengths that these people go to protect themselves, and eachother so that they can fulfill their fucked up fantasies. The sex ring aspect of it makes sense too, since by committing heinous crimes like that with a group, and having a recording somewhere, they effectively protect themselves from being outed as the monsters they are.
vizard0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Former speaker of the US House of Representatives, Dennis Hastert. The person the Hastert "rule" (the one that the Republicans stick with that says that any bill they bring to the floor must have the approval of at least half of the Republicans). Next time anyone mentions the Hastert rule, ask them if they mean the one named after the pedophile.
lora4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this haha I also think the Clinton Foundation is super involved. Or it is a BIG coincidence that sex rings are being discovered in countries where the Clinton foundation just pulled their money from
There is another idea somewhat related to this that both Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington were murdered because they were about to go public with a large child sex trafficking ring that involved many well known, powerful people.
Dultsboi ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:36:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is literally copy pasted every time a famous person dies.
I read that about
Micheal Jackson
Amy Winehouse
Robin Williams
Fuck, even Paul Walker had that conspiracy floating around him.
This is the first thing I thought of when I saw this post! I just heard this a couple weeks ago and I totally believe it. Apparently, Justin Bieber has joined a church of some kind recently and opened up to some of them (who I guess went and blabbed to someone) about how some super high up music execs basically gave him the opportunity to mess with an underage girl and essentially said that if he did it, he would have the opportunity to go from being a successful artist to a legit producer/manager/mogul/whatever. He said that this is something they frequently do as sort of a rite of passage but they also film it so they can maintain control over the people they admit to their inner circle. He declined, obviously.
I bring this up because these were the same execs that Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington were gonna go public about.
I'm not saying i agree with what you're saying but the veracity in which sony was protecting kesha's rapist/producer makes me believe at the very least some of this is plausible to some extent.
The record label even after subtle corroboration and support from other female artist on twitter (tswift even financially supported kesha during this, and K clarkson very vocally came after them) the terribly pr they got from it all, they still defended and stuck by the guy. That still rubs me the wrong way, most companies regardless of how good of a producer he is would have cut ties. There's something there. Not sure what but something there.
ITRWZK ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 11:17:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe kesha really made it up and they rightfully stayed with him.
Not saying thats what happend just that there are crazy women too that did exactly this out of spite.
And instead of actually using his fame to go public or co-operating with the FBI, he politely says "no thank you" and blabs about it to a church, of all places?
The whole shooting thing that happened there is so outrageously suspicious its mind-boggling.
Millions of people read about hundreds of crimes every day, and they don't respond by walking into a store, and shooting. Thats not normal-person thinking, its how a robot would react.
Alkanfel ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 00:49:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of weird to me how heavily downvoted that comment is when the OP seems to have gotten a mostly positive reaction. Like, it's acceptable to speculate that some politicians are pedos, but if it gets any more specific than that, the claws come out.
To me the big thing is that, in some of those emails, they are clearly talking in code. For example, "Pizza related map" is not a phrase someone would use to reference, say, a map to a pizza place. The reason so many people buy the pedo theory is because there really aren't that many things one would use code to discuss in private emails. For my part, I can accept that some coded terminology is being used but I can't really speculate as to what. Drugs? Whores? Who knows.
Be easy there, that critical thought you're having... and that irrefutably weird email chain and it's DKIP authenticity.... that shits fake homie, you and the FBI are sickos if you can look at innocent conversation about food and see "codewords" about children. Pedo networks don't use coded language... You people need therapy.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:45:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Alkanfel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:07:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it's just drugs or something.
That's the part that kills me though: even if it was something as 'innocuous' as drugs, the media would be all over this shit if these were RNC emails. It's unbelievable how these exchanges were completely overlooked by everyone except 4chan autists. If Podesta were a Republican he'd be grilled on national media to explain what it means.
The previous pm of nz was a trichophilliac and a pedo, google john+key+hair, guy got caught on film on multiple occasions playing with little girls hair as well as a waitress in a cafe.
I believe that 90% of pizzagate is real and any of the false things about it are red herrings specifically planted by the DNC to try to cast investigators as conspiracy theorists.
Qulijah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah like that guy who went into the pizza store with a gun. Pfft, bullshit.
akrafool ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:52:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think its more common than anyone cares to admit, or is even possible to track.
It seems likely there would be cases of individuals that have the attraction but never manifest it in any way whatsoever.
In the same way that grown people are attracted to other grown people but would never rape anyone.
When i see the popularity of certain pornstars whose entire appeal is that they appear underage, there must be people who watch because its the closest legal thing they can get
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading that the Internet has brought to light how widespread it is. There are so many counts of accessing it that authorities only have the resources or interest to bust creators, distributors, and extremely heavy users.
I'm also a believer that porn escalation is a thing and that an isolated, depressed, compulsive porn user could find themselves slipping into illegal territory just for the rush of something new and exciting.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:18:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also a believer that porn escalation is a thing and that an isolated, depressed, compulsive porn user could find themselves slipping into illegal territory just for the rush of something new and exciting.
It's not even that, every now and then you come across a video/image that is clearly CP yet is on a regular porn site. We've all probably looked at CP unwittingly at some point.
Really? Damn. I feel fortunate to have never stumbled upon that.
akrafool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah id believe that about how widespread it is.
wagsyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:30 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, r/barelylegal and r/18_19 or r/legalteens or whatever fucking related sub. Go to the top posts of all time, there are some that look like they could be 14 years old. Just a little creepy...
Not just pedophiles, but abusers in general. I don't know whether it's power that corrupts or the corrupt seek power, but I'm almost certain that when they have power they allow themselves something more and find ways to excuse themselves if they care even just a little bit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a documentary on this recently, I though this was (unfortunately) common knowledge.
something something dan schneiders creepy child foot fetish
merten5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same except that they want the world to burn, in a way that only them and a select few will live. They are planning for life where the AI does everything a servant could ever ask to be done can do and then, BURN!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had pizzagate been given a better name and focused more on general pedophilia among the elite, it would have gone much better.
There are pedophiles. There are rich people. There are rich pedophiles. Rich pedophiles don't hang around playgrounds and parks trying to snatch up kids. They pay people to do it for them.
Here's what I believe; many are because they believe it will further their career if they do what "everyone else does". In reality it's used as blackmail and if they don't tow the line things get revealed.
My theory is this: A good number of if not most people are pedophiles, to the extent that we would be willing to fuck children sans a cultural stigma against it, because we are just animals, and animals fuck things. So, by there being a massive cultural stigma against it, most people are caused to feel so grossed out by it, and/or they suppress their pedophilic urges, that the pedophiles left who go on to molest will do it for at least 1 of two reasons: 1: Uniquely great attraction to children that cannot be overcome through stigma and self control alone. 2: The person likes to project and take advantage of the power commanded by their authority, by pushing the boundaries that would stop other people, just because they can. So it is kind of obvious to me why so many powerful people would be child molesters, because A: We are all potential pedophiles, just by our natural tendencies. B: When you have power, you will do things that other people normally wouldn't, merely because they can't and you can.
As far as I can tell, I don't feel attraction to young children, and I don't feel such an incredibly strong physical attraction to younger teens to the extent that I would try and fuck them, and also believe that they are not reasonably capable of consent anyway, just from a moral standpoint. So I am fine where I stand, but if that changes I will seek aid in quelling my desires. But what if the culture was fine with it? I don't know whether I would or not, it's tough to say. But I am just being introspective and considering possibilities because this thread prompted it. But most social species, for better or worse, probably worse, don't have sexual hangups to the extent that we have. That's how I was making my estimation: what kinds of people would be willing to overcome the general hangups against having sex with children and have sex with children, in our society. And the answer is 1: People with uniquely strong pedophilic tendencies. 2: People who like taking advantage of authority. 3: Some combination of the two. That's why I reasoned that so many people in positions of authority engaged in molestation, because they felt empowered to do so. Because they, apparently rightly, assumed that they could get away with it because of the power they have.
Nah man, that's called the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon, or frequency illusion. Basically, as I understand it, there's so many times that you learn something new that you're statistically very likely to hear about at least a few of those things again shortly after you first learn about them. But our brains really like patterns and connections, so what really is just a coincidence stands out and seems significant to us. We don't account for all the times that it could've happened but didn't, all the things we learned and didn't hear about again shortly after.
I could be wrong in my explanation of it, but I know that what you're referring to is a well-documented phenomenon.
Basically you don't notice what you don't know, until you know what you don't know and then realize again what you just found out.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! That's called the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon, or frequency illusion. Basically, as I understand it, there's so many times that you learn something new that you're statistically very likely to hear about at least a few of those things again shortly after you first learn about them. But our brains really like patterns and connections, so what really is just a coincidence stands out and seems significant to us. We don't account for all the times that it could've happened but didn't, all the things we learned and didn't hear about again shortly after.
I could be wrong in my explanation of it, but I know that what you're referring to is a well-documented phenomenon.
It could also be explained as synchronicity. Itโs when coincidences are kind of โtooโ coincidental and itโs the universe or some force doing it purposefully. I see 1:11, 2:22, 3:33, 4:44 and 5:55 every single day whether itโs AM or PM. Sometimes I miss one but I never go a day without seeing at least one. Itโs been going on since June. Thinking maybe my body built some sort of clock to look at the clock but itโs weird.
But anyways ever since I started practicing witchcraft my synchronicity has skyrocketed.
I once watched an old Brain Scoop video about pandas. The VERY NEXT DAY another science channel I follow posted a video... About the only thing in the panda video I mentioned to my brother. They're watching me.
I know it was posted after I had watched the other one, because it was still only hours old.
Songs on the radio start playing when I'm singing them. A little too often for me to comfortably call coincidence.
I don't want to be the main character of this world, it would be one hella shitty show. Help.
Stoyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this similar/frequency phenomenon? When I bought my first and second car I never remember seeing that car before. After I bought them I see the same car everywhere.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the same Phenomenon for when you buy a new car and then suddenly start seeing it everywhere?
One thing that I feel this could be is the fact that because you just learned it, you are more prone to recognizing it afterwards, but it does feel really strange as I have had this happen A LOT.
I just learned what harvati cheese was and now I'm seeing it everywhere. At the store, on menus, people talking about it. I suppose now I am just noticing it.
[deleted] ยท 1699 points ยท Posted at 17:39:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the French had a really odd ambulance system at the time - the patient had to be stabilized before they were brought to the hospital by ambulance, so they basically watched her bleed out instead of getting her to an OR where they could have saved her life
They have a 2 tiered EMS system and both tiers work a little differently as far as patient treatment goes. The ambulance crew that cared for Princess Diana was an ALS/physician manned unit. Here is a published paper that explains how their system works.
If you have questions, I may have answers.
Bigdaug ยท 1531 points ยท Posted at 22:59:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have questions but I don't know what they are. Can you just say some more things?
Here's a cool factoid for when you are looking at the stars with someone at night (or during an eclipse).
For all the visible stars you can see, there are EIGHT times as many red dwarves there too. Not one of them is visible to the naked eye. Too small and dim.
1) The 2 tier system is similar to what we have in the US.
The first tier is Basic Life Support(BLS), for calls like falls, broken
bones etc. This is usually staffed with EMT/Paramedic Team.
The second tier is Advanced Life Support (ALS), for life
threatening calls like cardiac arrests, GSW's, MVA's etc. An ALS truck usually is equiped with more specialized
equipment and medications. It is basically a mobile ER. These
are staffed by a Paramedic/EMT and a Emergency Physician. The
US ALS truck is staffed with highly trained Paramedics and EMT's
that are in communication with ER physicians.
2) They have two tiers, like we do so that resources are available to
meet every call's needs. Most EMS calls are non emergent and
do not require a fully stocked, fully staffed ambulance such as
an ALS truck.
3) & 4) Triage dispatches an Ambulance based on the mechanism
of injury to the patient and the severity of illness. Also
sometimes availability is factored in. Dispatching of
medical services is never based on ability to pay.
Cool...was trying to stick to the SAMU system, but give a little reference to ours. Some US ambulances also use RNs and RRTs. But SAMU is unique in that a large part of patient care is delivered pre hospital. The French also have two separate ER's. Basically divided the same way, but the ALS ER has dedicated surgeons.
comwhy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:12:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:07:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, great, thanks! What can I do to be a better Vainglory player? Also, my tomatoes died off, should I replant in a month or so when it starts to cool down, our wait until March?
No, SAMU works differently than our EMS system. There ALS ambulances have physicians on them and they do a lot more pre hospital care than we do. Basically they are hospitals on wheels. As per SAMU's protocol she received ALS care at the scene.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you; is it necessarily a situation fraught with peril to be "up shit creek without a paddle" or does the possibility exist for simply waiting for the current to return one downstream?
I guess it depends on the direction you are heading. If you need to continue up the creek and you have no paddle, then yes you are shit out of luck...;O
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alex, I'll take "River Vacations" for 200....
"The answer is...Hearing banjo and fiddle music and having no paddle with which to "paddle faster"
That's not even funny. I just got back to Florida a few weeks ago. I pulled into a little bait shop outside of the Ocala National Forest, Run the Jewels blasting on the stereo...turn the car off, open the door and damn I swear I heard those banjos a playin'. Went inside and I knew for sure, when I saw everyone wearing overalls, flannel shirts with no sleeves and out of the 4 guys standing around,drinking Busch, I counted 10 teeth total. Got my bait and noped outta there...
From now on I am keeping a spare paddle with me in my car. Just because Mr. Fuckin' Aye said so!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of "jest passin' thru" Kentucky (the good part) in another time. I got some gas paid for and when I came out with my Yahoo and Slim-Jim's (was that or pickled eggs, and pimento cheese on Wonderbreadยฎ) there was this fella in part of a wife-beater and he was eyeballin' me and glancin' all funny like at my license plate.
"Oh Hi Ya Heh?" and was leering at me like I was some girl whose pants was hiked up too tight, I forgot about that other idea of goin back in for a Drumstick ice cream sundae and threw gravel instead.
Big ass mirror on an Olds Delta 88, but I couldn't see a tooth on any of 'em.
Love them seven sisters though. They shine real bright on a Kentucky rest area in just outside of nowhere, ma'am.
I'd always thought that if she had lived but had been badly disfigured, she'd have just faded from pop culture.
She was only important and perceived as "good" because she was pretty. Look at the next princess in line, Fergie. She wasn't pretty, she was chubby, and public skewered her at every opportunity.
It would be interesting to see what an "un-pretty" Princess Di would have become.
cumbuns ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 21:21:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was perceived as good because she did loads of humanitarian things and was generally an all round good person? She threw fur coats down to homelessness people and shook hands with aids victims back when they were massively stigmatised? What are you on about?
kaenneth ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:25:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I hated the bitch because I love landmines.
Bigdaug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone said something about her also being a drug addict, is any of that true?
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 21:40:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are generally right about good looking people being treated better and being assumed to be better people. But Diana had a lot of goodwill build up through her work and people then would have known about her accident. That would have likely led to pity and not have as much of a negative effect as if she had been ugly from the start.
That's an interesting thought, but she wasn't disfigured in the accident. From what I understand, she had some broken limbs, but her face was fine. It was her internal injuries that killed her.
I was too young to remember her dying, but my auntie watched the entire thing unfold on tv. She said she knew Princess Diana was dead by the fact that the ambulance didn't rush out of the place but was driving rather normally. She says if Diana was alive they would've rushed her to the hospital to save her life.
Then I was annoyed the day as there was no kids shows on just news and Diana stuff/...
I had the same reaction about 9/11 because I really wanted to watch Gilmore Girls but it was just news coverage on every station even though it was days later.
There're also far more crazy theories, including the SAS hit squad that apparently killed her, using some kind of super bright flashing light to disorient the driver. However apparently they can murder Diana, but they can't murder the SAS guys claiming it was an inside job.
Lots of the theories make no sense, you can't think about them too hard. There're very simple answers. The driver was on medication and shouldn't have been driving (and maybe was drinking a little on top of it, not enough to be "drunk" but with the medication not fit to drive), paparazzi were distracting him, and they all wanted to get away. Diana wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and this made things significantly worse. It's a tragic culmination of events.
There is a BMW involved that was never found though.
Also MI6 doesn't operate domestically, it would be MI5, but whatever.
EDIT: As far as the whole "the traffic cameras weren't running" thing- How much faith do you have in those traffic cameras working on any given day? They were probably some lowest bidder crappy infrastructure installed over budget and behind schedule. I bet they don't work 40% of the time.
The SAS killed her before she could marry a Saudi.
Braakman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:01:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She says if Diana was alive they would've rushed her to the hospital to save her life.
Slow ambulances tend to mean more serious injury in most cases. They can't risk going fast if the patient is unstable or if they're actively working on the patient.
As someone who was a small child when she died, why would she've been murdered? I thought the royals were just figureheads (albeit well liked ones). Whats the backstory?
MrSayn ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:49:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about it. If she were to continue with her relationship(s) and produce offspring, the future King would have a half-Egyptian, Muslim brother.
It be extremely unpalatable to have such a foreign (non-European) person, with strong foreign ties, with influence/effect over the future monarch. Especially since the ideological war against Islamism had already stared at the time.
Not only that, but it'd probably be unacceptable in the eyes of the populace. Maybe the people would be placated when the half-sibling was born, but by the it came time for the prince to take succession, there'd be significant uneasiness with the half-sibling being there. Abolishing the monarchy could become a serious movement.
The monarchy might not have any power, but anything that threatens it, including its image, is a threat to stability of the country.
That's bullshit, though, and only promoted by Mohammed Fayed who (as the employer of the drunk driver) was trying to slog off responsibility for the deaths.
If what you said was true, then Diana would have been killed during her relationship with Dr. Hasnat Khan, who she was desperate to marry and is generally considered the love of her life. Khan is a Muslim Pakistani surgeon who's even descended from Afghani royalty.
On the other hand, Dodi Fayed was a mere fling to Diana - at the time she simply wanted some fun and to travel and Dodi spent a lot of money on her - and she was allegedly already about to dump him as they were arguing a lot and he'd allegedly cheated on her. Remember that Dodi and Diana had been dating for only one month at the time of their deaths and he had just jilted his American fiancee who he'd been living with in Malibu. So basically, to believe that theory, you'd have to believe that the royal family was perfectly okay with Diana's very serious and two year relationship with a devout Pakistani Muslim with a stable career in London - who she openly discussed marrying and having children with - but they suddenly panicked over her one month tumultuous summer fling with an unstable international playboy who didn't give a toss about his religion.
MrSayn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If what I said was true, they didn't necessarily have to kill her then. It was easier to silence Khan, who had much to lose, than Fayed, who had wealth backing him.
But you gave me info I did not hear about before. It seems way more likely to me that no one really gave a rat's ass. Who knows ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
it'd probably be unacceptable in the eyes of the populace
Or it might've made it a lot harder to demonize muslims. Diana's kid being muslim might have humanized the religion. I get why that would seem unpalatable to certain political operatives, but I also think people are capable of a lot more humanity than politicians give them credit for.
It's monarchy. That "stuff" is literally the entirety of what the institution is comprised of: birth, relationships, ties with other nations, etc.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:13:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why haven't they assassinated prince charles and prince edward then? both are existentially embarrassing to have connected to the monarchy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why they care so much, strip their "roles" away and they're just fucking humans. This whole royalty shit is rediculous and embarrassing.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:14:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a well-loved part of british culture
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't fathom the idea of just giving these people so much when they do absolutely nothing but to uphold an image so the population is content. I get the tradition aspect, but it's weird to me praise/adore humans that have provided nothing but "comfort" and are given everything just because their past relatives' actions.
One theory I heard was that Diana was allegedly pregnant with Fayed's child and the Queen might have been scared by the prospect. I don't think this theory holds any water, Diana had no titles post-divorce and therefore her child would have had no claims.
No no, youre on the right track. The theory is the Queen didn't want William, the future King to grow up with a stepfather that was middle eastern. She feared his culture would rub off on him and thus, they had to wack her.
MrSayn ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:30:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't about claims but the prospect of having an Egyptian half-brother to the future king. It'd really be extremely damaging to the royal family's image. And rather than just the Queen, everyone in the upper echelons of power would be concerned. A bastard half-brother is one thing, but a half-foreign Muslim one? I honestly think that it'd cause enough of a furor to seriously catapult the movement to abolish the monarchy, even pre-9/11. At the very least, it'd seriously deteriorate the monarchy's image in the eyes of the public (paving way for near-future abolishment). Having a non-European non-Christian so closely related to the King of the UK and the Commonwealth has been unheard of and is unacceptable.
There're claims that Prince Phillip gave blessing to the Pakistani surgeon, Hasnat Khan, she was dating before, which he himself confirmed, but if you were to believe the conspiracy, he was probably silenced, and easily so.
Thinking about it, Khan and Burrel are people in positions of relatively little power, at least in the UK. Fayed came from a well-established and rather wealthy family. One could put forward the theory that Khan was easily intimidated into breaking it off, but not Fayed, given the power/wealth backing him.
If I was in the uppermost circles of power, e.g. in MI6, I'd be extremely stressed out about what Diana was doing at the time. The threat of abolishing the monarchy is an extreme one. It'd seriously upset the status quo and disrupt the economy, military, and obviously government.
If I was Khan, having my career and finances ruined for continuing to date Diana or for speaking out after her death would not be worth it. If I was Fayed, with tons of money at my back already (and really, if my thing with Diana worked out, then it'd only improve Harrods' and my family's image), I would be pretty unphased by any threats that could be thrown at me. I'd only be able to gain from the relationship with Diana.
I myself don't know what to believe, but I wouldn't be so suspicious of what happened if Andandson hadn't died so strangely.
Balony1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:03:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the exact reason, a tie like this between Egypt and the UK would also get in the way of a tie between the UK and _____
She was speaking out about the royal family and even secretly had a big time reporter at the time sneak and visit her for an expose style interview. I believe it even aired on tv at the time.
I think there is more to this. Like how quickly her body was embalmed before they could run any tests on it. And that all the traffic cameras in the area happened to be out of service that night.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:24:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong, but isn't that a common trait when it comes to conspiracy theories? We all tend to jump to conclusions based on a series of questionable facts.
They may have just told the media the traffic cameras weren't running to keep them from trying to leak footage of her wreck. Also- France must have been ahead of its time if it had traffic cams in the 90s.
I heard a similar claim that the Queen had Diana assassinated, with similar evidence. I don't buy it, but if I learned it was 100% true, I wouldn't be surprised either
Also, I don't believe she's buried on the island at Althorp. Her request was to be interred in the family crypt at Great Brington down the road, and a family friend who lives there said that on the night she was "buried", the crematorium chimney was going.
I recall reading that the cause of death was due to the standard procedure in France. In France they treat at the scene, stabilize, and then transport to the hospital. This makes sense for them because French ambulances have a doctor on board.
American ambulances have paramedics but no doctors, so their philosophy is to transport to the hospital as fast as they can.
Normally, the French system is better, but in Di's case she had internal bleeding, and might have lived if she got to the operating table sooner.
Not a doctor, just something I read long ago.
cosaga ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:14:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know shit about her (I'm quite young) but I recall reading that she was a target of surveillance by the five eyes, apparently the NSA was spying on her on behalf of the UK's GCHQ according to a wikipedia article of notable people spied on by the five eyes. I read one of the sources and apparently there was a freedom of information act request that revealed a file on her but the request was denied due to a supposed threat to national security. All of the sources provided are news articles that don't seem to prove very much though, so not sure how much is true.
The paparazzi who killed Diana was paid to do so by Paul Dacre, so he could run mawkish pseudo-stories about her death in his paper for decades afterwards.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:10:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe she died as it is generally described. All the conspiracy theories are pedalled by Mohammed Al-Fayed who needs to deflect from the fact that his own security guards were negligent - they let them travel without safety belts.
That video is funny, but for real if the royal family was going to murder a princess I'm pretty sure they would do it in a way that would make it almost impossible prove. There seems to be some fairly reasonable theories on how it could have been an assination.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:36:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was eye-witness testimony from multiple people and till receipt evidence of the driver drinking in the hotel before they set off. There was lots of alcohol found at his home. He'd been prescribed drugs that are commonly used to treat alcohol-related problems. Friends of his testified that he was a "normal" drinker. And then there was the post-mortem blood tests that showed he was over the limit.
Still, I suppose a precarious conspiracy that could bring down the entire monarchy if found it is much more likely than "drunk driver crashes car".
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best argument against it that I've heard
Facebook is tracking you and listening in at all times. For example:
I passed a guy I used to work with in the mall. That night he was suggested as a potential friend for the first time ever.
I signed in to a nursing home and recognised the writing of a coworker in the previous row. Facebook suggested I be friends with him too, despite never having made a connection between us previously.
I discussed buying a pocket knife with my son - in person, not in any online forum. Amazon is sending me pocket knife ads and Facebook is suggesting knife-making videos for me.
Your phone is tracking you. I went through a drive through with my buddy to get fast food. I have not been to any fast food joints in years. The next morning my facebook/instagram was posting ads of said fast food joint.
As an example, a coworkee waa telling me about classic rock bands she was seeing in concert that I couldnt care less about. Next day youtube was recommending all those.music videos. Disabled youtubes abbility to use my mic the next day.
[deleted] ยท 513 points ยท Posted at 23:25:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck I just checked mine and at Facebook it says this:
Microphone
Allows the app to record audio with the microphone. This permission allows the app to record audio at any time without your confirmation.
That's fucked up, is there any way to turn just that off without removing the app?
Edit: I kinda use a cheap android phone and it doesn't show any option to turn off specific permissions per app - it's all or nothing. I've downloaded an app called Microphone blocker which seems to indeed block the mic and you can turn it off when you need it. Still, it's all very mysterious and vague. Especially the 'without your confirmation' part.
On the play store I got Microphone Blocker. There's a ton with the same name (or similar) but this one has an icon of a green shield with a silver lock in it and in the lock a mic with a cross through it.
So far seems to be working well, you can turn off specific apps where you do want the microphone to work. Which is Whatsapp for me since I use it to call. But the rest it blocks for sure.
I always figired it was google. I was at a friends house and "stole" some of her kids candy while my phone was in my pocket. She asked me which kind I took, I told her out loud, within about an hour I was getting advertisments for that exact kind of candy.
Same thing happened when my friend started talking about her college. Phone heard it and immediately was giving me ads for that school.
I had a Skype conversation on my laptop with a friend a couple weeks ago, and we briefly talked about hair loss. The next day, I opened the YouTube app on my phone, and the first ad it shows me is for hair transplant surgery. Never saw an ad for that prior to having the conversation with my friend.
The internet is creepy.
hicow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:59:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The internet is creepy.
Google, Amazon, and Facebook are creepy.
BriFog ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:11:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep just went ahead and disabled that bad boy. Cheeky.
They make it so its a requirement otherwise everyone would disable it.
K3wp ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:35:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, and I would bet money on it.
I was once using messenger to chat with a buddy across country while I was at a bar. I was also talking to someone at the (noisy) bar about music. At some point I said "FRANK SINATRA", loudly, to answer a question.
About 15 minutes later I got a spam email to the account I use for Facebook notifications, with the subject 'FRANK SINATRA' in all caps. I disabled mic access for messenger immediately after that; never happened again.
I also noticed its an all or nothing thing. You can either allow it access your mic (for voice to text), or disable it entirely. There is no 'disable spying' option.
Btw, this was a couple years ago.
usherzx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:57:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Noeir ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:02:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I have almost every apps permission disabled but there is at least Google Apps that I can't disable microphone/camera for.
tabytha ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:43:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook is absolutely listening in. I don't know if it's Messenger or what, or if it only does it when the app is open. But I got this feeling after a few times having had ads appear after talking about the subject.
I decided to test it out, opened my app, and started saying "football" repeatedly. (For reference, I don't ever click on or consume any media relating to sports, nor do I ever talk about football.) And the next time I refresh my feed, there's an ad for football apparel.
Have you tried leaving your phone beside a computer playing a speech in Italian (for example)? If you start seeing Italian ads, then it's 99.99% sure to be listening in.
tabytha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good idea. After this incident I went into my phone and disabled just about every permission that Facebook and Messenger has, but I'm paranoid and would feel safer testing it one more time...
I can't turn off parts of permissions in mine. I'll often refuse updates that tell me they need things I don't think they do, until the app refuses to be used any longer. Then I uninstall and go back to the older version, but I can't turn off YouTube's microphone permissions, for example.
DeepDuh ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 03:15:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the main reasons iPhones are considered more secure. There's no such thing as a default permission in iOS - each app needs to ask the user separately for each permission before getting it. Since lots of permission messages are a bad user experience, developers tend to minimise these as much as possible - it also looks really strange if facebook suddenly asks you for the microphone even though you're not using anything related to your voice.
This is one of the main reasons iPhones are considered more secure. There's no such thing as a default permission in iOS - each app needs to ask the user separately for each permission before getting it
Android does this as well
hicow ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the question is, when did each start doing it? I've got a phone with Android 5.something, and it does not do that. When I install an app, it shows what permissions it 'needs' and that's it. If I don't think a flashlight app should need access to the mic and contacts, my options are to either suck it up or not install it at all.
DeepDuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does it since 6.0 - which has a market share of slightly under a third of all devices. iOS has done this since the inception of its appstore. So it's not as clear as people here seem to think it is.
iOS 11 is adding a permanent blue notification at the top whenever your location is being used, that will be there above any app you have in focus even if it is another app using your location. This is in direct response to the Uber "hack" where they pulled a VW and faked test data for the Apple approval process, then tracked users for weeks after last usage.
I would like them to extend that to camera and microphone too.
Ive heard that an app called Record Your Life can fix this, by taking full time control of your microphone. If theyre actively using it for nothing, facebook cant use it for ads
DaAvalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about other phones but smartphones that use the latest Android OS won't let apps just insta access anything they want. If an app needs to use the mic the user has to approve the use of the mic for that specific app the first time. Basic security measure so the user knows what app accesses what.
Works great too! If I downloaded some random game that asks for access for pretty much my entire phone first time I start it up I instantly know to uninstall it now because why would a game require so much access?
Christ its things like this that make me so glad I have an iPhone. Seriously. I know Android users love to mock the iPhone, yet on my phone no app can gain any permissions to camera/mic/photos/etc without my explicit approval. It just isn't allowed. Not even push notifications are on by default. Nothing.
This issue with default permissions on Android has been going on forever. I wonder how many people remember the flashlight app fiasco around 2010/2011 when a new OS update was pushed giving visibility into permissions and people found the flashlight was activating everything without your knowledge and tracking your every move and word.
The idea that an OS made by a company that specializes in finding innovative ways to track your every move would somehow be transparent on privacy is absurd. I may live in a sandbox, but it's a safe sandbox with no viruses or any of that other crap, and still is the first target for app developers and has all the gold-standard apps.
But hey Android users, go ahead and crow about how your phone cost $200 less, then bitch all over the internet about how it is screwing you over.
(and no OP this isn't aimed at you, just Android users in general)
Sounds to me like you were getting promotions for bands that were appearing in your area. Which is why your coworker was talking about them. And in fact, she was probably talking about them because she had just seen the same promotions beginning. She saw the ads and talked about the bands and then you also saw the ads for the same reason.
If I tell you about a burger place I just tried and then you see ads for it, chances are the reason I tried it is because I saw those ads. It's not a coincidence and it's not a conspiracy. There is a logical link.
Seriously this happens to me all the time. My buddy and I will talk about something then the next day I have ads for it. I didn't go anywhere or search anything, just talked about it.
What prompted her to talk about them? Could have been the ads. And you may have even seen the ads before she talked to you about them, but only noticed them afterwards.
But the OP said that Youtube was recommending videos for the bands and not noticing an ad for a local concert of said band.
Endulos ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:37:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a name for this. I forget the name of it, but it's basically once you're made aware of something, you begin to see it everywhere, when before you may not have noticed or even paid attention.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:58:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Endulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's it.
DBaill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just heard about this higher in the thread, and I've seen it mentioned a few times since then. Must just be noticing it now. ;-)
Good effort, Zuckerburg but we're already in to you.
edit: on to you, not in to you like into you, this is totally a friendzone thing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also likely due to the fact that because you mentioned the burger joint, when I see the ad it sticks in my memory, whereas if you had never mentioned it I would have seen the same ad but not given it a second thought.
Jswame ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:49:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is called confirmation bias. Had those not been in your train of thought because of a mention they would have been "random" and overlooked.
brin722 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish everyone applied logic like this to everything. Well put.
Yabbaba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Except facebook does listen in on its users. Just look into your user permissions:
Microphone
Allows the app to record audio with the microphone. This permission allows the app to record audio at any time without your confirmation.
You give the app permission to use the mic. That doesn't mean it's sending your words anywhere.
Facebook has audio functions. It needs the mic to do its job.
Your phone app has permission to use your mic. Does that then lead you to conclude that someone has the ability to listen in to you?
Yabbaba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My phone app doesn't record audio without my permission. Facebook is explicitely saying what it's doing, and you still don't believe it? That's denial if I've ever seen it.
Facebook is explicitely saying what it's doing, and you still don't believe it?
.... says what? You lost me. The permissions are the same for both. "We may access your mic". If Facebook asserts more than that, you'll have to tell me what it is they say.
Right. They listen for only those phrases. This is actually a functional limitation. It takes less intelligence and less power to listen for a very simple and set phrase (and then "wake up") than it is to generally translate or record-and-transmit.
And this usually works only when the screen is on. Some phones do have an "always listen" option but the battery hit is significant.
You'd have about 4 hours of battery life if phones transmitted everything they heard somewhere... if that much. And a toasty pocket.
Amazon's Echo and similar products are more robust because they are plugged into power. If you were going to be paranoid, they'd be the first suspects. and certainly, there are people that do indeed view them with suspicion.
By the way, experts are always testing these phones and monitoring the transmissions etc. Independent experts that are paranoid and suspicious. There are a lot of people in the world eager to show wrongdoing. We'll know when they are up to no good. The same goes with the Echo... plenty of people are closely examining their network usage etc.
Your logical link is a bit closed-minded. And if it were true: they would have both saw those ads at the same time/day. It is not a conspiracy that many apps track you for ad purposes. If I leave my location on, Google will pop up at whatever place I'm in with "are you at XYZ Mall?" And link me to their map or a menu of the restaurant I am at and other details, as a helpful guide around the area. But it also can be remembered and used by other apps with permissions, to advertise to you based on where you visit.
if it were true: they would have both saw those ads at the same time/day.
Only if they were both looking at social media at the same time.
If I see an ad in the morning and talk about it during the day, and then you see the same ad that night, there's a logical link even though we didn't see them at the same time.
Right. And if they were looking at the same time, I'd bet the ads would be different from one person with permissions enabled and one of whom they have no idea of their demographic. Or between two different demographics. I can prove this right now, if you want. We can send eachother any random YouTube link to go to and I bet you my ad will be for a minimalist wallet and yours will not.
If you include enough people in the sample, some of them will start to see the same ads.
Regardless, it's just targeted advertising. It doesn't disprove or conflict with the comment that you replied to, and it certainly isn't proof of any conspiracy.
And if it were true: they would have both saw those ads at the same time/day.
No. Why? That's not how advertising works. If you have, for example, a 1 in 10 chance of seeing a given ad and watch two or three ads a day, of course, different people will see ads on different days. There is a random factor. I'm saying an ad was added to the rotation and person A saw it a day or three before person B.
It is not a conspiracy that many apps track you for ad purposes.
Right. But the OP was claiming that someone was listening to their spoken conversation and there's absolutely no evidence of that.
But it also can be remembered and used by other apps with permissions, to advertise to you based on where you visit.
That's not what we're talking about. This person thinks the ad was served to them because they physically spoke to a co-worker.
I agree with you, but at the same time I never go to a fast food place because of commercials. Well, 99% of the time I don't. I just do because I want to.
Friends and I at a party talking about ghosts, demons, ouija boards and debating if we think they are real or fake. I personally believe them to be fake. I'm a basic bitch who only uses YouTube for recipe bloggers, beauty bloggers and like 2 daily vloggers. The next day I had YouTube suggested ads on the home panel (this is a "suggestion" feed for the uninitiated) about demons and possessions through ouija boards (and ghost hunter pirated episodes). I've never been suggested anything like that before or after because my YouTube isn't even tailored to that content.
I've had fb suggest exact gun mods my fiancรฉ was telling me about while we cook dinner, I knew Facebook did that, still uncomfortable, but YouTube really caught me off guard.
But, YouTube/pandora already give me ads completely in Spanish, due to my location. I don't understand Spanish so when they aren't even skippable it kind of sucks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Russian.
DBaill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative explanation: Google and Facebook know who your closest friends are and who your interests most align with. When those people start searching for topics (because you recently had a conversation about it), then they know to recommend them to you as well.
A friend got a multi tool thing for his birthday a while back and just him telling me about it lead to pocket mjltitools being suggested to me for weeks. It was purchased some time in advance so for it to spam me after his birthday would mean that it was either listening in for product key words, or it used the new fancy image scanning technology Facebook has to do object recognition on a picture he sent me of it.
Spoopy stuff maybe
elkstwit ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:25:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pure confirmation bias. What about all those times your coworker talked to you about other things that were never 'picked up' by your phone and that you've since forgotten about forever?
The "confirmation bias" wouldnt lie with the random topics people talk about each day. It would lie in the ads that people see on a day to day basis.
There are a finite amount of ads that people see in any given day. Most of them make sense and can be logically traced to what someone has googled, liked on facebook, viewed on amazon, etc. When someone sees an ad for a band that they havent talked about in 20 years yet see an ad the same day its been discussed, it sticks out like a sore thumb
Maybe/probably. Freaky as fuck coincidence then. Might have just noted our locations were the same, and said well she gets X ad, also try X ad on him as they are friends with sbared interesr. Regardless, youtube doesnt need my mic privileges
So I deleted Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and YouTube off of my phone a few months ago just because I'm sick of being on my phone all the time (except reddit.)
The other day i was talking with my sister and she brought up how she wanted to get liposuction. Now i usually get ads for mountain biking, skateboarding, and other sports gear. For the next week on my laptop and phone I kept getting ads for liposuction and laser hair removal. I have never once in my life looked either one up, I'm an early 20s male. So fucking google must also be listening all the time and not just for the keyword "ok google."
Anyway kinda pisses me off cause you can't escape
DBaill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's recommending these things to you because a close friend/family member just spent a bunch of time looking it up.
Almost likely, but my sister lives across the country and had been looking into it for a while and we only talk over the phone. This was the one week we were both back in our parents house for the first time in a year and the ads started showing up immediately after our conversation.
PyDive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. I was at the coffee shop I worked at, and a batista mentioned a documentary on YouTube I should watch.
As I sat down, plugged in my headphones, and booted YouTube, what do you think was the top related video? That's right. That documentary.
I agree with /u/WhiteRaven42 on this. I never noticed how many people had Subarus until I bought one - a type of cognitive bias similar to what you are experiencing. You see the band advertised everywhere after you've had your attention drawn to it.
I don't get it, it asks you about each individual permission when you install the app. Why didn't you just say no to everything? Your comment sketched me out so I went to check my permissions and it says "No permissions allowed" and I was like "well that makes sense, why would I have thought they needed my mic"?
Skidvish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you guys fuckin with me? This is freaking me out?
So...theoretically....if I started talking about, oh I don't know, butt plugs around my phone, I could have this happen to me? I mean, I've had adds appear for stuff I've ordered online, and that used to freak me out but I know why it happens now. But if I made a point to be very vocal about a particular item--butt plugs--around my phone, it could possibly pick up on that?
tutunka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:59 on October 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The phenomena where people explain away their own observations as if they are refuting impossibilities.
Had answered a post about the worst way to torture someone (ask reddit) YouTube shows up a video about abuse.
Family was a bit of a hoarder. Got ads for storagemart.
Didnt go shopping in a while for food(I pay cash).. Get an advert for immigrant welcoming families, with food as the main point of the ad.
Laid in bed a long time, got an ad talking about hospital advances.
Don't know what I'm doing? No ad shows up - gets skipped.
Staying up late? Start getting coffee ads.
Say my washer broke in app email? Get ads on reddit for washers.
Broke? Well you need a credit card!
Talk about how fucked up pedophilia is? Enjoy pampers ads!!
Seriously block your fucking mics and webcams. They're insane.
And for those of you wondering... GPS with photo localizes a location with an item (see that oc? No you missed it?) Crossreference with cc purchases to target ads. Oh and by the way, if private entities can do this, imagine how theyre fucking with everyone psychologically and can make your life a living hell. Theres a reason they call it five eyes.
Definitely this. A few months ago I mentioned in conversation that I thought I was about to start my period, later that day instagram is flooding my feed with period tracker app ads. I do not like that.
yolk_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:06:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this happened to me too. My girlfriend was complaining about our old mattress one day and the next day ads for mattresses were popping up all over my facebook. It was a really scary moment in my life.
The song Summer Girls by LFO came on the radio the other day. Me and my SO were talking about the line in the song- about Abercrombie and Fitch. We had a short conversation about the company, we've never shopped there, searched it etc., and the next day my SO got a Google rewards survey asking if he's ever been to Abercrombie and Fitch.
DrQuint ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I actually EXPECT it to GPS track me because they outright say they do.
Yeah, this happens, though. I once jokingly mentioned something like "It's not like I'm gonna show up with an engagement ring" on Facebook messenger. I was spammed with ads for jewelry stores for a month.
jseego ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:04:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, a thing that many companies have admitted to doing.
I'm saying there's are alternative explanations. One is that there was an underlying reason they were talking about it in the first place (such as a band's touring schedule) that also influences advertising.
Another is simple psychology. The advertising was always there, it just wasn't noticed until the topic was on top of mind for other reasons.
razyn23 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:11:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If an app as widespread as fucking Facebook were listening in on you, that would have gotten busted a looooooooooooooong time ago. First off, the phone microphone requires more power than you'd expect, your battery would get hit hard. Second, if they were listening, well, they need to process it. Your phone is nowhere near powerful enough to do that, so it would need to be uploaded to them for analysis. Packet sniffing (inspecting your network traffic in realtime) is ridiculously easy, if they were sending constant audiologs it would be incredibly obvious to anyone who cared to look.
So no, Facebook is not listening in on you. It's just that all the other ways they have of tracking you (GPS, etc) and all the information they have on you (age, sex, location, job so usually income, plus all the info they buy from other info-aggregates like Google) makes predictive algorithms for things they think you'll want to buy scarily accurate.
For example, if you are male, mid 30s-40s, just got married (yay Facebook relationship status, and even if you don't change your status your wedding photos and a ton of conversations about the wedding are an easy tip for their automated services), and you live in an apartment complex (remember they know where you spend most of your nights due to GPS) they will probably start showing ads for houses. And it looks (and is) creepy as fuck. But hey, they're not listening in on your microphone!
Yeah I don't really think they are listening tbh, like someone said you see so many ads you're bound to see something you've been talking about
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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razyn23 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:24:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have, multiple times.
... Source? Because all I see are a bunch of vague pop-science articles that all seem to reference the same professor who said they "might be doing it," and later said outright "I never said in that story that I believe Facebook can hear you" in the Snopes breakdown.
I'm sitting in front of my phone saying pocket knife, whittling, and trying to think of as many terms for carving things out of wood that I can think of without Google. Let's see if I get a Facebook ad for this in the next week. I'm guessing no.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll put it in the foreground even while I'm browsing. I've never gotten an targeted ads that seemed out of place. Working pharmacy I hear tons of conversations and Facebook is always draining my battery. They're all relevant to my Google sources.
It's pretty well known that the Facebook app causes an increase of battery life in the ballpark of 20%, and sending a text document of only keywords used multiple times would just be a text a few hundred words or less. All of this could easily taxi on the normal pings your phone sends to cellphone towers to make sure it still has signal, just like our text messages do now.
If this is true, then wouldn't it drain your phone's battery like mad? Whenever you have google maps open or some other GPS-reliant app, your phone battery goes down the drain really fast. Wouldn't it do that constantly if you were being constantly tracked?
Also, how would it know that you used to be friends with that guy? Sure, it could know you were in the same room as each other for a brief period. But you're in rooms with LOTS of random people every day, how can it tell the difference between a long-lost friend and a random stranger? A more plausible explanation: the person added one of your friends when he met them at the get together, and Facebook recommended him to you because you now had a mutual friend.
Also: which app would be doing this covert tracking? Any app that uses the GPS needs to for elevated privileges first. People would notice very fast if some app is asking for GPS permission when you aren't using it.
Unless, of course, Apple and Google are both in on the conspiracy, and they let some apps through without asking. Well, we know Google isn't, because Android is open source, and someone would catch something like that when viewing the source code. So, it's really only Apple that could be doing this.
If you're really paranoid, though, just disable your phone's GPS completely whenever you're not using it, and force quit all apps when you're done using them so they're not running in the background.
I don't actually think they're listening, I'm just saying that's its worse than gps tracking because a lot of apps ask for gps permissions and people usually agree
That's why none of my voice memos aren't working dammit
KserDnB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it, if they actually did it then it would have come out.
Theres no way in 2017 an app could do something like be listening to your voice 24/7 and not a single hacker group or anything has come out with solid evidence that it's happening.
baenpb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did a little experiment last year with my Facebook.
I set my radio to a Spanish station, opened my Facebook app and then "closed it" (but didn't force stop or anything, so it would have been running in the background) and then set the phone on the radio.
The next morning I log into Facebook and a ton of Spanish suggestions, and ads were everywhere.
Strangely not on other sites, but everywhere on Facebook.
While Intellectually I know if they recorded everything, my data usage would reflect that, it's still a bit of coincidence too great to ignore.
I deleted Facebook from my phone (as much as I can since this phone can't delete it completely)
I use Facebook as little as possible, and have run a script to remove all posts comments and likes from everything prior to 2017. I got tired of cringing at "on this day in 2009" suggestions.
A drinking buddy and I noticed that swipe up ads on our Reddit apps were not only typically beer ads, but were ads for our beer of choice. Miller Lite ads only show up on my phone, Coors Light only shows up on his.
I have the google survey app, it probably creeps a lot of people out, but they're getting the information anyway: If I visit Subway, the survey app asks how I liked it, if I'd suggest it to others, and then gives me $.24 for my answers. If I visit the bank, they ask if I made a payment with my credit card. $.12 extra.
In addition to the play store credit, I also get a bit better idea of how well they're tracking what I do and it makes me keep in mind that my location history is stored on their servers, tracking what wifi ssid's are nearby, etc.
One time a roommate and I were having a conversation about Domino's pizza. Within 5 minutes, he gets a notification from Domino's encouraging him to order a pizza. He claims that he almost never gets notifications from them and swears that they were listening.
Its3pic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve noticed something like this, after going to the gym around 4 times a week, my whole Instagram feed is just Fitness posts and pictures of gym workouts. I havenโt liked, nor followed anyone who posts Fitness related posts
You realize the data companies are still tracking you even without the apps? While apps are one source of mobile GPS data, there are also companies that track your location based off when your phone pings the cell towers. As long as your phone is on you're being tracked.
Now don't worry, it's all de-identified. They aren't allowed to say that it's your phone - just that random device ID was here, here, and here. BUT WAIT - it's very easy to get a dataset with your name and address. And I can build an algorithm to see where the de-identified phone tends to sit for 6 hours every night and tie that to the address and who lives there. Boom - now I have your name tied to your device and as long as that phone is on I can track you.
Or use an iPhone and turn that stuff off. Yes you'll get ads, yes you'll still get tracking on the web, but you won't get any of this voodoo because Apple gives users control over microphone and location settings.
And yes I know you don't get all the stuff you want on your Android, not telling you to switch. Just saying, I suspect that if any of these are true, they've either given complete access to the respective apps on an iPhone, or are on Android and are not doing what you do.
\4. Consent to Use of Data.
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Traffic. If you are physically moving [...], your iPhone will periodically send GPS locations and travel speed information in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple [...]
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Location-Based Apple Ads. Your iPhone will send your location, including its travel speed and direction, to Apple in order to provide you with geographically relevant iAds.
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HomeKit. Your iPhone will use your location to enable accessories to turn on or off when you arrive or leave a specific location [...]
The crowd-sourced location data gathered by Apple does not personally identify you.
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The only place I see an inkling of "they do sell it" is mapping data, wifi database, and iAd information. The iAd stuff is the same as what Google probably provides: the ability to show an ad in a set geographic location, but doesn't reveal customer information. The mapping stuff is stuff like speed and location, and it's all aggregate stuff (like "traffic speed on I-91 is 70mph" vs "John is going 70mph on I-91"). The wi-fi database is also aggregate and is common sense to improve their products.
If I missed something or you disagree with my assessments please let me know.
mdz2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:49:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a similar freaky experience -- I asked my husband why flags were half mast and as he didn't know, I went to my phone to see why. I entered "Why" into Google and before typing any more, it suggested "Why are flags half mast today". BUT, there is an easy solution. If you have Google on your phone, turn off "OK, Google" detection to stop it from stop monitoring you all the time. So turn that part off
ttw219 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was at the Griffith Observatory with a couple friends, there were quite a few Asians there that must have been speaking Chinese. I pulled out my phone and my Google cards were showing me the weather and air quality for Hong Kong.
After coming back home, I was talking to a family member about where we were going for Father's Day. When I woke up the next morning, my Google cards showed the ETA for that restaurant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's google cards?
ttw219 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On my Nexus phone (and I assume most Android phones have some version of this) there is a slide to the left of your home screen that gets populated with news stories, ETAs, restaurant menus, etc based on your location, location history, past searches, and apparently whatever it picks up from your conversations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His son without a doubt searched for it, and Facebook / Google know family aggregates. One and one equals two and dad gets targeted marketing.
I used to do online marketing optimization and seo, I'm sure it's always someone in the same network searching for something they talked about.
hateboss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's what I'm thinking too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. The wifi, including bssid (mac address) of the fast food place was detected and reported, as was the duration of your visit and the profile of your signal level. That way they can accumulate data on whether you you sat down to eat or used the drive through. Orwell really had no idea where it would go but his was right far beyond his own imagination. If the Zuckerborg could, it would get a feed of 'anonymous' items ordered and then use deductive reasoning to determine what you bought too.
Ansonm64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What gets me the most is half of these tracking services send you ads for things you've already done and bought. No. I'm not buy another 65 inch tv, Best Buy.
(I'd never actually buy a tv at Best Buy anyways)
Undoubtedly. I was driving past a stadium and saw the sign. I started speculating who was the person it was named after. Typed "ro " into google 5 mins later and it auto filled his name.
I've never cared a damn thing about sports of any kind but a woman I work with is constantly talking about her grandkid's soccer practice and games. Not long after I turned on google assistant I started getting notifications about big soccer matches and shit.
I constantly find that the location of my phone has been turned on. No matter how many times I turn it off, it always ends up flicking back on after a while.
I mean this pretty well known stuff.
My phone literally says "hey you are at such in such establishment! How about adding some pictures and a review to Google maps."
The thing is you and I aren't special. No one gives a fuck where we are. They just have a computer track you and market to you based on it. I'd rather see ads relevant to me instead of a bunch about male enhancement. Am I right guys? You know it.
Alwin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phone is listening in for sure. I was talking to my buddy about this bike sharing app that was launched in my town. He's not from my town, nor a town which has the bike sharing app. Anyway, next day he gets advertisements for the app we talked about.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google maps is one of the best things to ever happen though. I do longer have to doubt where a destination is, I can click on a building or house I vaguely know and get the actual address, I can see my childhood house with our shitty above ground pool killing the lawn since they haven't reshot the satellite view photos since I moved away, I can see cars of old tenants who've moved away outside my apartment complex AND I can explore the world.
Yeah, this is pretty common in advertising, it's called geo-fencing. Advertisers use your phone's gps to determine that you are in a certain area. When you are, your device ID is put into a pool. Advertisers then serve ads to people in that pool. It's basically the computer equivalent of when you visit a website, then start seeing ads for that product because of your cookies.
Not the same thing. Of COURSE your GPS is tracking you--that's kinda the point and is no secret. Mine usually asks me to leave Google reviews for the restaurant I'm sitting in; they aren't trying to hide it.
I'm still unconvinced that your microphone is listening, which is a WHOLE different thing. Anecdotally, I've tried things along the lines of leaving my phone next to Spanish radio overnight, or saying the name of a product repeatedly, and never gotten any results.
hjf11393 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine at least tells me nowadays. Half the time I pull up somewhere new it asks me to add pictures for Google Maps or some bullshit.
I worked in a resturant where we had a little device which my understanding was it would pick your bluetooth and tracked where you were in the restaurant. So you would know how long someone was in line or at a table for. I forget what it was called but you could use it in a retail store to target and send deals to people who were looking at certain items. They "didn't" sell information but I'm sure your phone recognizes this and facebook recognizes where your phone was and make suggestions to this
jatenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a service mobile providers are capable of; mine offers a service to send you SMS with special deals if you pass a shop that has a contract for that with them, but it doesn't cost anything anything and you have to manually opt-in (and can opt-out at any point). I guess it's very possible to just do this without asking the user; might be a thing of laws of a country as well.
I used to get the same kind of weird ads on Facebook. Go to dinner somewhere? Boom, ad for that food later on. Talk about something with friends? Boom, ad for something that was mentioned during the discussion, or random friend suggestion like you mentioned.
Turn Off Facebook's permission to use your microphone. In fact, turn off all of Facebook's permissions as 99% of what it asks for is not necessary for the app to function. Since I did this, I haven't seen any ads pertaining to where I've been or what/who I talk to.
go to google maps and view your history. As long as your phone is on google maps is tracking you at all times. It tracks where your phone went within 5ft 24/7 it is insane how much data they collect and store on everyone. They know exactly which shops you go to all the time, they can figure out which building you work in and which you live, which are your favorite lunch spots, etc all from your gps data
phqx996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is only a "conspiracy theory" for the technologically illiterate.
What about words? Anthrax, c'cain, Windex butt plugs
fuckitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was waiting outside of a burger king recently, didnt go in at all, and facebook straight up asked me the next day if i had visited BK recently and if i wanted to post about it. Way to be subtle.
Wasn't there a story here recently of a guy leaving his phone next a radio tuned to a Spanish speaking radio station for a day and when he came back to it Facebook had filtered a lot of his ads and feed to Latino orientated stuff?
so just turn location services off ? ( if its an iphone )
Dunan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks at the pictures you've taken, too. I once saw a drink called Mets Bitter and took a picture of it because it perfectly encapsulates this baseball season for some people, and next think you know I'm getting advertisements for that drink when I browse the internet on my phone.
I didn't do anything with that photo, or label it. Just took the shot and that was it. Yet somehow my browser knew what it was a picture of and thought I might like to buy it.
Those ads that try to sell you customized attire based on where you live and your family name. They aren't even clever. Like their template is "never mess with a "last name" from "where you live" or "trust "last name"s that like "favorite band or something"". Who would wear these?
My dads family is from WV. When I asked my grandparents about them, they knew who the Whites were despite never having seen the documentary. Apparently their legend is no joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a photoshopped picture of Jennifer Aniston on FB last night wearing a shirt that said something about how girls born in October are better. I looked it up- she was born in February. Lazy advertisers can't use the right celebrity
My stepdad and mom and uncle ALL buy these dumb ass shirts. My brother and I just laugh at them. There's no use anymore trying to explain it to them. It's embarrassing as hell to be seen in public with them when they're wearing them though.
SeaBones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anything they have potential to be hilarious. Or just keep people guessing. Or just make zero sense. Never trust a fart from any guy named Brent.
xCaptx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom bought my whole family shirts with out family name off of Facebook... it has remained securely buried under years of old clothes and blankets since I received it.
That is slightly different. It is like people who do those family picnics and make t-shirts for it. It might be weird but at least it isn't someone falling for an obvious photoshop scam.
entent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:35:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister legitimately got excited when she saw they made hats with her name. She bought one right away. She's a mark.
cakez_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha I also noticed ads with T-Shirts saying "Never mess with a woman who listens to Disturbed and was born in July"... um excuse me, but what does one have to do with the other?
[deleted] ยท 6277 points ยท Posted at 22:26:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Original comment is concerned, but I'd do it. Worked in AdTech for 8+ years at a large social network, and on the targeting / algo / big data side of things. Do you really think people would like to know about this stuff? Im concerned the truth is honestly less interesting than it sounds.
That's awesome anyway, maybe try casualiama? Or contact the ama mods? Even if it's boring to you it may be interesting to us, or it would just be good to know! :)
Eh, probably get sued or something. And I try to avoid the Reddit FB circlejerk except when people seem like they can actually read / aren't wearing tin foil hats :P
Also once you start saying facts about advertising or recommendation algorithms, it's usually too boring for people to read. Instead I get replies that are just "drinking the Facebook Kool-aid" or that I'm lying. You can even see it in the comments here. Basically once people have a view of something, it's really hard to believe a boring truth :(
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 03:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked for a company that reddit hates and I have to say the conspiracy theories some people come up with are so creative we should have hired them lol
picklas ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:37:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just quit Comcast. I'm convinced the infrastructure would hardly support spying of any kind, it can hardly support the garbage service we put through it. Comcast doesn't need to spy, because the thing that IS true, and they don't really hide it.... You basically have to use our shit, bitch.
They don't need shady tactics to increase business, their entire business is a shady practice.
crnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologies in advance for beleaguring the topic further, but could you point me in the direction of the documentation I would need to prove that this "conspiracy" is exactly that? Even if it's just saying to look at the Terms & Conditions of specific products.
I have a few friends who are 100% convinced that Facebook et al are listening in and tracking their every move for advertising purposes. I've tried explaining much of what you've described (with less detail/proof) but they just brush me off as being naive. It's tiresome.
Have you tried clicking the three dot button on the top right corner of the ad and then click on "Why am I seeing this?" I have used it before and it gives you an explanation on how the ad got to you.
I believe the truth is boring, as you say, but I still think it's pretty repugnant what Facebook and others do. Then again I hate about 99% of what modern companies do, particularly when it has to do with advertising.
They aren't doing anything. No one is forcing anyone to sign up for these data mining services. I certainly do not approve of their tactics therefore I do not participate.
Edit - to be clear I'm not saying that you said they do, I know you weren't saying that.
In my case, I'm a caregiver and Facebook is my mom's preferred method of keeping in touch with family and other caregivers, so I'm stuck holding onto an account. Also, even though none of us are forced to participate, we are certainly pressured to and it's becoming increasingly difficult to function outside of these services. It just bums me out that we haven't figured out a way to offer such services without the shadiness/subscriptions (and no, I have no idea what a better alternative would look like).
Preferred method doesn't mean there aren't other ways. I've not had one ounce of difficulty not using Facebook, or any other social media services. If you have access to Facebook it is highly likely you have access to a phone. Why does the world pretend these services are becoming vital? They really aren't. They are, as you put it, preferred, but are absolutely no necessary for anything.
Not knocking you or your mom by the way. But there is no pressure to join Facebook, it's just convenient and extremely popular. But it will never be more convenient than making a phone call. Although I believe it is likely more popular than making a phone call.
This needs to be further up. It's certainly creepy, not because of nefarious spying, but because of how absolutely predictable people are when their actions across the internet are tracked and processed.
Edit: Since the parent was deleted, here is the gist: The guy worked on targeted advertising. He said that they're not spying via camera or microphone, which would be far more processing than it's worth on that scale, and that instead cross-site tracking and cookies across the internet feeding data back to advertisers allow you to be incredibly predictable. Basically, even though you haven't ever searched for product X, your historic interests in products A, B, and C allow them to predict your interest in X, so you get ads for it. But from your perspective you're getting ads for something you've only ever mentioned in conversation, so it seems creepy.
Mr-Blah ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:15:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is more interesting is: are we predictable because we just are or are we predicatable because we are shown and advertised the same stuff independently of our definting characteristics...?
It sounds odd as hell, but there does seem to be programs in how our brains take in information. Or in how we decide to determine what messaging we will accept based on things as simple as peer pressure and a Dopamine release if something hits our pleasure center.
Not only are we absolutely predictable, but these companies have a ridiculous amount of data about us. It's really not that hard to recognize trends and hypothesize about a person's behavior if you have data on 5 million people's traveling, movie and music preferences, search results, internet history, Facebook posts, Youtube searches, etc.
I think people are more willing to believe their lives are being nefariously tracked other than just admitting that 95% of what we do is the same or very similar to what everyone else does.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:29:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it also has to do with some sort of cognitive bias(es) that cause recent observations to somehow appear more relevant or frequent than they really are.
For example: Was that REALLY the first time facebook recommended that dude to be his friend, or did he just never notice it before because it didn't get his attention until after he saw the dude in person?
maztron ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:49:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are creatures of habit. Its not really that creepy. We all have routines and literally do the same thing everyday.
JWarder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:37:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Additionally, given the number of people on Facebook there is going to be the occasional long-shot coincidence just due to law of large numbers.
The other reason it seems "creepy" is because of confirmation bias and correlation/causation problems.
You (and me, and everyone else) don't notice the thousands of times these same theoretical matches don't come up, we only notice the ones that do. When it comes to web stuff, we probably aren't even aware of the mountain of data that went into determining what ads to show you, or who to suggest as friends, etc. And because we don't have the ability to remember every minute step we took over a week online, and don't have the ability to simply process that much data in the way that a computer could, it seems magic (or creepy).
eg: you don't notice the hundreds of thousands of street lights that you drive/walk under that continue functioning normally. But you do notice when one goes out right above you.
We notice the coincidences (I drove under a light and it went out right as I was under it, super creepy), and throw out the legion of data that would show that, yeah, it'll happen by chance just because of the quantity you "interact" with on a daily basis.
The guy worked on targeted advertising. He said that they're not spying via camera or microphone, which would be far more processing than it's worth on that scale, and that instead cross-site tracking and cookies across the internet feeding data back to advertisers allow you to be incredibly predictable. Basically, even though you haven't ever searched for product X, your historic interests in products A, B, and C allow them to predict your interest in X, so you get ads for it. But from your perspective you're getting ads for something you've only ever mentioned in conversation, so it seems creepy.
I'm still doubtful mostly because the only person who I know who watches the Alex Jones show is my uncle who I live with. I look at his profile on facebook, nor do I look at anything concerning Infowars.
Those are the only ads I get.
Maybe it's not listening to me (cuz that would be a lot), but it's a bit more than an algorithm based on my clicks or visited pages.
At the same time, I don't know about Android but on an iPhone it's trivially easy to prevent Facebook accessing the camera and mic, and you still get the creepy ads.
I figured that the friend looked him up on facebook to see if he was there.
My biggest complaint about Amazon adds following me around the internet is that I went and shopped for what I needed, then I bought it. So, why are you showing me other ones? How many small bilge pumps do you think I need?
You have to go into Amazon's site and mark stuff as things you don't want recommended for you and remove them from your browsing history. But at least you have that option
SAT0725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Display ads are cheap. When you're paying $1 for a thousand impressions, it's sometimes cheaper and more efficient to have some over-coverage than spend the time constantly tweaking the target.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:59:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still factored in (I believe, the weights and factors of that algo changes a lot). But you viewing someone else is sort of just increasing your own "coefficient" for them, not increasing theirs for you (sorry dude).
But if she's checking you out too, then yea you guys will prob see one.
miki151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You suggested in another comment that if someone is FB stalking you, they may get suggested as a friend.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the other thing people forget is that ads etc aren't served just based on your habits, but on the habits of potentially millions of other people who behave similarly to you.
If I have a pool of 500,000 visitors to a site about baby ducks, and of those, 400,000 have also visited a site about butt plugs, I'll probably show butt plug ads to baby duck site visitors when they're doing other non-duck-or-butt-related browsing.
Your behaviour isn't unique. It's entirely predictable.
Yea... It's funny how circle jerky places like reddit get about topics like this. Most people here have no idea how consumer technology really actually generates profit from its userbase. It's usually less about actualizing people's devices as spy tools and more that people are often more predictable, understandable and, well, stupid than they think. People are easy cash cows.
This comment chain is the biggest breath of fresh air I've had on reddit in a long time. Everybody is so clueless about online advertising and I get downvoted to hell...despite managing a digital ad agency.
I mean, I've worked in marketing and used to pick apart commercials and ad campaigns because I thought it was fun/fascinating (and spent much of college making fake ads for fictional businesses).
I believe I have a solid understanding, I just dislike them. But if you feel I'm missing something, please fill me in.
Digital ad ops is a lot different than other aspects of marketing. Google as a ton of intro classes on it, it's a good place to start and pretty interesting.
Inherently no, and it's likely how most of the sites you visit are able to function.
And if FB and google offered to charge everyone $10 to use their services instead of ads, few would take it, and bing would offer free with ads, and everyone would flock over there..
No, I get it, I just hate how much of an industry they've become, the amount of resources and research that goes into producing certain ads and campaigns. I'm not a nut and don't believe there's some big, deep conspiracy about why ads exist and what they're "capable of" - I know perfectly well why ads exist, I used to work in marketing myself and was once fascinated by ads (I would make my own fake/spoof commercials for fun when I was really young). I just feel sick when I think about ads nowadays. It's just a visceral reaction, and probably a bit overblown. I understand perfectly well that they're sort of a necessary evil, but it still bothers me. I'm not an elitist by any means but I'm always a little disappointed when someone I know who is smart, talented, and creative goes into marketing. As a wannabe artist/musician/writer myself, it feels like a betrayal, even though I know that's ridiculous. After all, I'm the one with barely a cent to his name while my friends in marketing are all generally doing well for themselves.
I don't really have a rational argument here; overall society is probably better than it's ever been, and modern advertising plays a big role. I just wish we didn't need it and I wish we valued creative types beyond using them to make money.
Maybe. I think it would be actually less interesting than you think when on TV in honest form. Most people either hate ads or dont care that much. The group that hates would be disappointed in the lack of a boogeyman. The 'dont care that much', well, wouldnt care that much. Worked in AdTech for 8 years, deep into the tech / algo / big data side as well as the user side.
Ads work. But not the way the haters claim. They cant make you buy something you dont want. Generally they can make you aware that a produvt exists, consider it if you are in the market, and maybe nudge you over the edge if youre on the fence or inertia is holding you back. Theyre not mind control.
But I would geek the fuck out on it. I was around in the 90s when ads first got started (I was on a forum around 1994/5 that first discussed whether ads were even a viable concept and should be shown on that forum, it was so new) and it's still a black art to me. (but I don't work in an industry that uses them like that, so I'm out of the loop)
Also I studied marketing a bit and am interested in big data and data science algos, so I would really geek out on it. Hard. (but of course JO wouldn't go that in depth -- I wonder if there's a Coursera/etc course)
I'm not who you responded too, but I run a media buying team, and data is really easy to geek out on. It's so interesting to find trends and find weird pockets.
In school, I was the guy who hated math and statistics and just wanted to know the pop-psychology and shit, and statistics and math are like 85% of what I do/have done in this industry.
I got a notification from the marketplace the other day. I have only ever looked at it a few times ever, and I have never received a notification about it. The notification was alerting me to an item I'd be interested in-- a newborn basically fetal squirrel that someone had posted to the marketplace after finding it in their backyard.
I have no idea whatsoever why Facebook would think I wanted a naked baby squirrel so much that they needed to send me the first marketplace notification I'd had in years.
I'd just like to say thank you so much for being the first person I've encountered that has managed to get a top voted comment on this topic. Reddit is so utterly clueless on this topic that I get downvoted any time I post factual information about it.
Thanks for thanking me :) It's fun replying to people - but nice when people actually appreciate it!
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:09:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's one I haven't figured out....
Facebook showing me my tinder matches on my iPad (and only ever seen this on my iPad), when I don't have tinder installed on my iPad, i use a fake Facebook for tinder, i don't have any personal info associated to Facebook (either account) and don't have any contacts in my iPad, or numbers in my Android phone of said matches.
I'm pretty savvy with tracking, ads, etc...and this one has me boggled.
Have you ever logged into your 2nd account from the same machine? Or same IP (ie diff machine, like your phone, but same wifi)? Both make it very easy to join the accounts.
Edit: there are other ways too, like deviceID, even beyond normal cookies, IP, contacts, etc.
If you logged into Facebook on two accounts in the same browser it shares cookies and now your identities are linked.
Also your ISP may be injecting "supercookies" in your outgoing HTTP stream to certain sites which pay for them to do it, and providing a list of supercookie->identity lookups so they can correlate your traffic across identities.
REMSheep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you explain this one to me by any chance? I've been trying to figure it out for a while. My dad asked if I could help him order a car battery online. I had never owned a car at that point. Later that day I sat down on the computer that I only use and I had a bunch of ads for car batteries on Facebook. My dad doesn't use wifi at home nor my computer. I definitely never searched for car batteries until days after.
silian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:00:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He means the guy must have had some account linked to the computer the dad was using. Email, google/youtube, whatever. They know you own both accounts so they send the ads they built up for the other account to the account he's using on another computer because they know it's owned by the same guy.
lilzilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:58:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No wifi, but were you plugged into the same router? Could be based on IP address.
Or, coincidence.
REMSheep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He uses his work computer at work, no computer here at home but the ones I own.
Is that now common knowledge for any facebook messenger user?
sgee_123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:35:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also believe that this is partially psychological. FB recommends you a friend that you just happened to randomly think about 6 days earlier, and you freak out about it and think there's some sort of in depth tracking going on. In reality, things like that just pop out to you because it's fresh in your mind.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does facebook do suggested pokes?
Same people keep showing up but I've barely communicated with any of them.
spyxero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I need to ask this then:
I had a coworker given as a suggested friend.
He had our work place listed on his profile. I did not. I NEVER have my location services on unless I need them. I don't need them at my work. Ever. We had no mutual friends. I had never searched for him on FB at that point. I had no FB friends at that workplace and had never searched for any on FB. I had searched in chrome for the workplace months before when I was going for the interview.
No mutual interests, I hadn't even updated that I was living that city. My profile still had me over 300 ks away. No overlap other than us working together and I had been careful not to allow it onto FB that I worked there.
I see no reason why he and I should be suggested friends.
Perhaps he and/or other coworkers searched for you which could have let FB guess you were working there? Pretty imprecise method though, but it's definitely possible for the internet to figure out info about you just based on what others search for and post that are related to you even if you don't put any yourself.
memnoc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:05:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Piggybacking to point out the frequency illusion which makes people believe things like ads are more personally relevant than they would have otherwise been.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ayyyyy s/o to my adops boy we out here cookie matching and collecting those predicting behavior segments i see you son
My google profile thinks I'm a 24 year old woman that's into tech for some reason so my efforts to keep shit private have been paying off I guess. I enabled targeted ads once and shit was hilarious. At some point I was getting women clothing ads and tampons. One time a adult toys of the phallus variety got suggested.
Would you mind recommending some of such papers/patents/authors? I've been very curious about how Facebook and other services do that kind of stuff but don't know where to begin
So "network ego" which was the term for the recommendation units like "PYMK - people you may know" has a lot of published papers. The engs that built that stuff were 'wicked sma't'
I got one that's been bugging me for a while and I can't figure it out. Some time ago I went for a job interview for what I thought was a basic position. I'll save all of the details, but one of the perks of the job was a company credit card. Other than that I've not talked about a business credit card, researched them(why would I?)..etc. Beyond telling people over the phone, via text, or in-person there was no other discussion over a business credit card. The next day I started seeing ads about applying for business credit cards.
Is it just me, or has ad targeting gotten way more extreme lately? For example, couple of weeks ago a friend linked me a picture of some boots that she wanted over Skype. Immediately half of the ads on Reddit were for this exact pair of boots, and it lasted for a week or two.
A few months ago I mentioned something about a Rolex watch while my phone was in my hand. I wasn't in a watch store and I never searched for one online nor do I own one. The next day there was a Rolex ad on my Instagram page. Can you explain that?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you honestly think I "just happened to notice?" Instagram ads are pretty sparse I usually only see one or two a day. I had never gotten a Rolex ad before and you're telling me the day after I mention Rolex that I just so happen to get a Rolex ad? Out of all the ads I could have possibly gotten I just so happen to get that one even though I never searched for it online or anything. Yeah ok dude.
scobey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consider the millions(billions?) of people targeted with ads. Consider the chance that everyone who talks about a product never sees an ad for that product soon after. It's more likely that someone somewhere will have this coincidence occur. You just won the targetted ad lottery. Also for fun, consider that you are the kind of person to even talk about a Rolex, so you're more likely to have an ad for one target you. And how can you be so confident that you have never been shown a Rolex ad before?
I'm with you, instagram shows very few ads. I have noticed the same types on things. I was at a garage sale, noticed some nerf guns, talked about them, then I start getting nerf ads. I don't buy the top of the mind or coincidence explanations.
What you're talking about "top of the mind" is also known as the red car syndrome or the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.
grievre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the best example here is that one store (target?) that started suggesting pregnancy/infant related products to a teenager. Parent got mad at the company. Turns out she was pregnant. The store's algorithm guessed she was pregnant based on her buying habits before she knew.
It's against Apple's terms, would use up your data cap in about 6 hours.
It wouldn't send raw audio data. If it's listening for keywords surely it could analyze that in your phone and just send tiny bits with those keywords back.
SAT0725 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"way under-estimate how much can be predicted off of the really basic sh*t they do on a website"
This. I work in digital marketing and I often hear people talk about how they don't care about being on social media because it's not like they share anything of value anyway. But people drastically underestimate what can be correlated from seemingly insignificant data. Even seemingly innocuous social media behavior, over time and when correlated with your various "affinities" -- people you interact with and who interact with you, the content you "like" or otherwise engage with, the content you spend more time paying attention to, etc. -- can provide all kinds of insights as to your personal and professional attributes, attitudes and behaviors. Your religion, your politics, you worldview and potential behaviors -- it isn't that hard to predict when all the factors are run by computer algorithms.
It's been well understood for more than a decade now that all this information, even when "un-identifiable" taken in aggregate, can hurt you. If the algorithms suggest males ages 30 to 40 who live in the Midwest U.S. and play guitar tend to have certain health issues more than other populations, well, you may have to spend more on your health insurance than other groups. It's not a fantasy -- this is real stuff.
No they recomend friends based off of wifi or gps for sure. I work for a very large 1 floor company full of cubicles. I am recomended friends of people i sit by all the time. Some of them 100% dont know i exist because they come into a confrence room near my cubicle, and ill get them recomended to my. They dont even see me.
Is your employer listed anywhere other than Facebook? And if not, Google tends to figure out where you work via gps based on frequency and timing of visits, so they may share that guess. From there, easy to recommend others.
I have my work in my gps as my work, but i use a address that is 3 blocks away (same company) but i work with 800 people in the same building, and they only recomend people who are near me.
I don't think being in a similar location is used - sounds really expensive to calculate for a mediocre signal about how connected you are.
Tarsupin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:40:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I can't speak for FB, but Google tracks what locations you've been to. And if the data is already being tracked, it seems like it wouldn't be overly consequential to check for timestamp matches at that location. Maybe they don't do it (at least not yet), but it doesn't strike me as unreasonable with how much processing power they can handle and how infrequently they would actually have to test for it.
I think youโre probably right in most situations, but I need an explanation on this...
A while back my wife and I got an Amazon Echo and hooked it up in the living room.
One night, in the living room, I was talking with her about how badly I need some new shoes, and specifically said that I want some red and white Nikes.
The next day, I was scrolling Amazon for a new wallet, and this was my search result:
Edit: I know that these are red and gray in the image, but youโve got to admit that the search has nothing to do with shoes and the timing is uncanny.
You may know nothing about this, because it relates to YouTube and Amazon.
I was over at a friend's house, and we watched There Will Be Blood on his Amazon account. We talked about it for quite a bit and I went on my way. The next day I was flooded with recommended videos for There Will Be Blood. I hadn't looked up anything about it, texted anyone about it, or even watched it on my account.
Edit: Didn't really ask a question here, but I'd like to know your thoughts on this.
Hi! I was wondering, how did Facebook suggest I be friends with someone who I'd never met in irl, but was friends with me on Skype and whose number I had?
badcheer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you ELI5 how Facebook knew what products I was searching for on other websites? Ex: bridesmaid dresses on David's Bridal, a recliner at Target, basically whatever I'm searching for on Amazon, make up tutorials/product reviews in youtube, vegan/conservation stuff on YouTube, etc. I just don't understand how Facebook knows what products to suggest/advertise based on what I've searched on other websites.
Those brands have a fb tracker called a pixel hidden on their websites, they have a fb ad campaign set to display ads to people who have visited that site and triggered the pixel.
filg0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ad networks utilize tracking cookies that report what you do across multiple sites. This allows them to better target ads to you on other sites that are a member of the same ad network (based on things you searched for somewhere else that is in the same network).
See adssettings.google.com as kinda an example.
badcheer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's so simple! I don't know why I didn't think of that. Thank you for explaining it.
l4dlouis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the NSA has been listening in to people for years I tell you. YEARS
pabodie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain why people who im seeing on OKC or Tinser I've never met or had any interactions with are showing up in my recommended friends section? Even when we don't have mutual friends.
filg0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what you mentioned about data caps is a real note worthy argument. Not to mention my phone can't hold a call half the time so I don't think they're recording audio 24/7.
How did "noodle" end up being grandparent slang for brain? ... doesn't seem like thats what it'd be for.
UTF-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
would use up your data cap
Not really, you would do speech to text because text compresses reallly nicely.
butsuon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the reports of people "running into people in places", is it possible the current version does a bit of bluetooth snooping for nearby users? That's common in games.
Hmm that's interesting. Possibly? The problem is the algorithm is really light... like theres relatively few things we put into. Not sure bluetooth snooping would make the cut
Answer me this - I signed on a created a Facebook profile solely for the intent of 'locking it down'. I have all visibility and notifications settings turned off, full privacy controls engaged, have never so much as made a post let alone visited someone's profile.
Facebook's friend recommendations are all spot on, people I work with regularly through freelance gigs, despite there being no real connections to most of them. We don't share a employer. I haven't told Facebook anything other then verifying my name, city and birthdate.
The only thing I've got is I am in the same physical location occasionally with these people, but I only have ever used my laptop to sign in, never a phone. Could just being on the same physical sub-net, once, be enough to trigger an avalanche of perfect friend recommendations?
Even though I've never googled or sent texts about Excedrin and was suddenly bombarded with ads for it. The only time it's come up is when my boyfriend and i talk about it!
Can you explain how a couple years ago I was talking with a coworker in my car about a model airplane that I received from work and later that night, i get model airplane ads having never searched for them before on my phone or anywhere else? I am not into model airplanes at all and it happened after I had received one
bdd4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna disagree on the technology. I worked as a digital marketing analyst for a bank.
Facebook isn't the one tracking you. It's all the other companies who drop cookies on your phone. Facebook receives data from the companies tracking you and decide whether that same cookie is you and shows you the ad without selling the company your data.
You browse to a page. Page drops a cookie on your device. You sign up for a service. They collect your name and email address. That data gets sent to a 3rd company like Bluekai and they assign you side of an internet social security number. Every time you sign up for another service, it assigns that cookie data to that social security number. There are laws regulating this data for banks, so they can't know the real identity of the person, but Bluekai can and they pass your internet SSN thing to them. They know your income level. They know geographical data recorded about your up address. They know what you buy online from everybody using their service. Services like Credeo have the technology to track everything you do.
Once the company who wants to sell something to you, their servers tell Bluekai this person with this real identity searched for rubber ducks. Bluekai says "Oh, I know who that is and here's their number." Bluekai will tell Facebook to show you the ad.
This is a really rudimentary explanation, but companies are definitely making real-time decisions on what ads to show. It's just not Facebook doing that leg work. It's Credeo, Bluekai, Google, etc.
Also, when Facebook bought Instagram, their database expanded. A LOT. They started suggesting people you were connected to on Instagram. Whether or not Facebook is listening to you may not be debatable. Whether another app is listening to you and Facebook is buying that data is another question entirely. This tech is a thing.
Facebook is DEFINITELY tracking your voice as well, I sometimes get ads for cigarette paper which I only mention when I buy them in person (in a small store so I still have to say their name) theres no way I would EVER talk about this online because its simply not important enough to mention anywhere.
[deleted] ยท 1206 points ยท Posted at 17:36:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FemtoG ยท 454 points ยท Posted at 18:49:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the beauty of online marketing and why traditional advertising is on its way out.
For a TV spot, the commercial let's say blasts 10,000,000 people, of which maybe 1% will buy the product. But you pay for 10,000,000 views.
For an internet spot, it can specifically blast say, 1,000,000 people of which 10% will buy the product.
As algorithm develops...the 10% will become 15%..20%..30%..50%..
One day..in the far future?
Welcome to Earth little baby. At age 6, you will get these these these products. At age 12, these products. Don't worry, based on your genetic makeup, family analysis, cultural analysis, etc etc, there is 98.55% chance these items will be compatible with you more than anything else on earth.
Although targeted ads are theoretically what you'd want the underlying goal of propping up your brand is a lot tougher to do over digital than in traditional media.
You could get Facebook ads about lots of shoes, but you need the prestige that Nike has built for itself through other mediums to want to drop the money on them over their competitors.
Nanowith ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:34:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working in online brand marketing myself I can say that if you're not the kind of person who's going to click on an ad then you most likely aren't going to see that ad.
Also about a 10% click rate is mostly deemed a success.
We have ways to find the exact people we need to appeal to and then we have methods to get them in touch with brands and products.
Facebook tends to reward the advertiser with cheaper clicks if they achieve a 1% click rate (at least initially, some times, for some types of ads).
Coroxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's just the kind of people I know, but way more people that I meet seem to deem online adds woefully incompetent rather than useful. I don't remember ever picking anything up because of an add (with the exception of Amazon's "people who bought this"), but I've had plenty of laughs at the expense of companies trying to sell me laptops or headphones after I've just researched or bought a pair.
The line "If you aren't the kind of person who's going to click on an add then you won't see it" seems completely untrue.
The ad sometimes is just a 'reminder' of a brand. That is why McDonald's and Nike keep on blasting ads in all channels. Do you remember brands like Diadora of Italy? Or Joma of Spain? In the 90s they are kind of bigger then Nike. They are still around, but since you dont see their ads so much, it goes down in your mental hierarchy. Next time you finding shoe, whether its online or off, you are going to look for 'trusted' brand, Nike/Adidas/Asics/Under Armour etc. Brands with mega marketing budget. brands that appear solid to you, eventhough the quality are the same, and probably made by the same third party licensed manufacturer somewhere in China.
dudius7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cable companies have already toyed with the idea of using microphones on cable boxes to find information for targeted banner ads. Banner ads, not just for websites anymore!
This. It is way to easy and cheap to advertise on the internet. As an internet guy myself, when I see an advertisement in the physical world it unconsciously tells me that this is an actual real company/product that is invested in what they are selling.
Not necessarily true. I work in advertising, and I can tell you that there are still TONS of people out there that stick only to print ads (postcards, newspapers, etc) because they don't understand digital and they are fly-by-night cash grab companies or poorly run "I don't know why I need to advertise anyway" types.
Don't click. I will never click on any internet/youtube ad. If there is something I am interested in I will type in the url myself or navigate another way.
That's called an impression. Google knows that you saw the ad on youtube (impression). And if you go to the website through the url, and finish the buying process, analytics will credit the YouTube campaign with an assisted conversion.
They track you from your browser cookies.
There is no escape from it, they know everything.
That's why I laugh at these guys who are concerned about their security and buying some wack ass blackberry phone.
Unless you hide in a boarded up basement, you have no privacy
Yep, exactly what this guy said. Google (and lots of the other guys you don't hear about as much) know pretty much every website you type into your browser.
Do you use Chrome? You might as well be writing down every website you go to and putting it in an email to Google's ad team. Even if you're using an ad blocker, Chrome knows where your mouse hovers, it knows what you're searching for, it knows what you started to type into the omnibar but then deleted. It knows that you were scrolling down a webpage but then you saw a pair of shoes and paused for .75 seconds longer than you paused at any other point on the page...
Google knows where you are on earth when you go a website, what browser you are using, what screen resolution you have set, what keyword you typed into the search bar to find the site, how many pages deep you went to find the site in Google search results, what else you have ever clicked on, and a lot more.
Source: If I have Google analytics and Google search console installed on a site, I can know these things for that site. Since Google is Google analytics and search console, they have this data for every site that has these things installed.
In case you're wondering what sites have Google analytics installed, go to the source code for the home page for basically any website you can think of, and ctrl-f "UA-", and you'll find a code like this one: UA-12131688-1 (that's the tracking code for this page).
Google has way more data about what people are doing online than most people realize.
The beauty about online marketing is less about the algorithms. They're a pretty good starting place, but they only go so far
The wonder of online marketing is remarketing campaigns. Basically, if someone visited your site, or clicked on your add, or put something in your Amazon cart and then deleted it, they "follow" you, reminding you to finish your purchase, or trying to convince you to get thing thing you've expressed interest in.
Conversion rate for normal algorithmic ads aren't super great. But remarketing conversion is huge.
Coroxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, neat. Could you source that? I'm super interested.
I don't actually do the bidding, but I take the data and present it to the clients.
Villyer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:32:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That far future sounds kinda great. If my computer told me exactly what I needed every time I needed it, it would save me a lot of hassle.
There is the issue that advertising companies would probably try to push an expensive version of the product, but you could still get it from another source.
But I feel like this never actually works? I always get these targeted ads right after I bought a thing. Buy shoes, I get 2 weeks of shoe ads. Buy a tool, I get 2 weeks of tool ads. I don't understand how this helps anyone.
I don't know... growing up on the internet, I've learned how to tune out a LOT of ads. During the US election last year, media outlets were getting fired up about "fake news" like it was a new thing, but discerning browsers have learned how to spot things like that in no time by virtue of experience.
Like the "chum box." I read about it once and knew exactly what website feature the article was talking about. That grid of obvious, sensational links, unrelated to anything, at the bottom of the website.
I'm not too worried myself. I only see targeted ads for things I've already bought. For the last week or so I've seen nothing but ads for some obscure part I've got coming in the mail already.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is at best a crude oversimplification and at worst just plain old bullshit.
FemtoG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its just taking the concept to its utmost extreme in an infinite timescale
"what-if' scenario
Have the feeling that all this AI movement in the last time by big internet companies has something to do with ways to get and process this kind of data more easily.
It all depends on what you're advertising, though. For certain large purchases, online isn't there yet. I work in print media and we go to over 100,000 homes in my city. The advertisers pay for all 100,000+ homes. And maybe 10-20 people will call. And 3-6 will buy the product or service. Yet the advertiser will make their ad money back on the first sale, and sometimes as much as 30-40x what they spent on the ad on that one sale. I know we're not gonna be around forever, since online keeps evolving and figuring out ways to reach people, but sometimes a very low response rate can be extremely profitable (in fact, some companies don't want a really high response rate because they won't be able to handle all the work.)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:22:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Companies spend a ton on ads! Facebook made 27 billion in revenue, they dont charge anything to their users though. Obviously what ever ads facebook is using must be highly effective or companies wouldn't spend the money. Its disgusting.
What is disgusting about it? Companies are going to spend that money on advertising somewhere. You're going to see ads on the internet (unless you use ad blockers. Which seem like a thing you might feel better using). If you must see ads online, would you rather they be more or less likely to be relevant to you?
It's a lot easier to coordinate group events and things in Facebook; like covering shifts at my work or a large crew of friends of friends that want to come out to play volleyball throughout the week. Notifications are off, but when I need to know a detail like that the app makes life easier
Oh no no! Not related whatsoever to Snapchat. It's been around a lot longer than SnapChat actually.
I think the name probably comes from being able to manage a team in a snap, lol. All my kids' sports teams use it. I know there's other team management apps out there, but I will vouch personally for this one. You have contact info, schedules, rosters, availabilities of everyone, a chat box for current events, the ability to email everyone important info with just one click, photo sharing, you can even use something where people can sign up to bring beer/food/whatever.
That seems helpful for a team setting like yours, but I use Facebook for one off event planning as well. You can rely on most people having facebook as well and that's really it's biggest advantage; I don't really "consume" content on there in any way besides that
Oh for sure. I wasn't suggesting you not use FB at all, but just that there are better options for team management specifically if you were wanting to cut down on FB usage.
Wombat_H ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very useful for getting into contact with people that you don't have a number for, organizing events, etc.
p_iynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really depends on your life. I'm disabled and it's both difficult and exhausting to get out of the house to see people. And often the times I need the most support are the days I can't make myself get out of bed. So being able to log on Facebook, check in with a smallish group of friends who met online and have the same issue or interests is really nice for me.
I'm able to check in with friends in little, low-pressure ways, can catch up on what's going on with friends that aren't super close but I still care about, and it gives me a place to meet people, despite the fact that I don't really have anywhere IRL to do so. My three bridesmaids are all women I met on Facebook, and now we have a chat group where we talk every single day, many times a day. I would have never met them without fb.
And as a mid-20s person, it is much easier to coordinate on Facebook than elsewhere.
101Mage ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:47:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it probably makes using Facebook easier. But I wouldn't trust anyone who equates that with life itself.
You can't possibly see how being connected to everyone you've ever met might be handy? lmao
I fucking hate facebook, but I have to use it to stay in touch with everyone. Are you really that dumb or does it take effort?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't possibly see how being connected to everyone you've ever met might be handy?
So, are you saying you can't have Facebook at all without the app on your phone? Because that's dumb.
101Mage ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:59:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I am. For one, you can't message people using their site on your phone, and secondly, it's too much of a pain to zoom in and out and pan around on a phone.
That was the straw that broke the camels back. It drained my battery. I uninstalled the app a long time a go and started using FB far less. Now I only have one to see a few articles and the pictures my sister and cousin post on occasion.
Yup. My battery would die in my pocket within about three hours when I had the app installed, so I got rid of it and miraculously my phone could last almost two days again. At first I would check the mobile site about once a day, but now it's probably been a month since I've been on it, and it's honestly fantastic.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swipe is a decent wrapper that keeps your privacy and helps your battery. There's a paid version that has a few more bells and whistles like filtering ads.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RazzyT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly only use facebook as a means of contacting people if I don't have their phone number. It almost never fails. Also, companies that I've worked for in the past have used Facebook as our main source of communication.
septag0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. They intentionally remove features using a browser, like getting to msgs, to push you to use their apps
I deleted the app off of my phone. It was the best decision I've ever made. I'd quit Facebook all together but I keep my account because I need it once in a while for work purposes.
FERN-RAI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I uninstalled facebook because of its large data and space consumption
B_crunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Lite. It's a third party Facebook app that uses the mobile browser version of Facebook. It's nice to have a dedicated app for it without having to worry about it draining the battery and tracking my every move.
I use Folio, it accesses the mobile website and makes it functional on a phone.
RazzyT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your tos allows them to do it through the web too. Also private mode just doesn't save your history Facebook still can keep cookies about your other web site visits
They don't get access to my microphone, pictures, location, contacts, anything, if I only visit through the browser.
Facebook doesn't "keep" cookies. Your browser gets one, and sends it back for every subsequent request to the origin server, as long as you haven't disabled cookies. Your browser will send cookies in private mode, because obviously you have to keep state across multiple requests. However, once I turn off private mode, the cookie disappears. Facebook can only track my web activity inside private mode, and as long as I'm going to sites that have a snippet of Facebook code installed.
RazzyT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can allow the web browser permissions and most of the time people just allow it.
Private mode for most browsers just doesn't save the web history locally. Tracking is still 100% active most of the time if you aren't using a VPN
Easy solution: I don't. I specifically commented stating how I deal with these things, not how most people act. Why is that relevant?
If I don't send a cookie, the only way the have to track me is by IP address and useragent. Considering that about 100 people might be on one IP address and 10-15 of those devices might have the same useragent, you get where I'm going with this. They can kind of track you but if they're just going on those two datapoints their confidence that it actually is you is so low that it may as well be useless. Adding a VPN doesn't really change that scenario, either, considering useful tracking is almost entirely dependent on cookies being enabled.
RazzyT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was not under the impression that computers shared ip address's, and the fact that VPN doesn't change anything are you talking about, are you talking about deep packet inspection? You have proven that you know what your talking about with your big boy words and stuff so maybe you know something I don't. Teach me something. Elaborate
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing "super" about them. You can do a bit of voodoo to track someone across the web, but if they're belligerently explicitly not sending cookies, the methods used become so ineffective as to be almost useless.
I just deleted my Facebook app last week, and I actually like how cumbersome it is to use it in my browser. I spend a lot less time looking at stupid pictures of text and the reddit front page stuff from two weeks ago.
Kyle7945 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bought the Samsung Gear VR and in order to use it, it made me download the Facebook app. I was pissed but I wanted to use the damn thing. Anyone want to buy a Samsung Gear VR?
If you have the android version of the app, you can choose what features the app can gain access too, I've turned off the apps ability to track my location and from using my camera or mic,
Bullshit. They are not recording your conversations.
Hahaha aw. I wish I could be so naive still. I work in computer science, they're listening. Not to literal microphones, but they convert speech to text and sell the things we talk about to advertisers. a big beautiful world
They do not have the resources to convert everything that more than 250 million people say for 24 hours a day, seven days a week to text and then run matching algorithms and create profiles of each person. At least not on top of what they are ACTUALLY doing which is using your search terms and a bunch of other information that they gather from previous purchases, video watching habits and emails to create an advertising profile...oh and run the worlds largest search engine.
I couldn't give less of a shit what irrelevant thing you do for a living.
Whatever, you're wrong. No data mining company needs the "resources" to do speech to text on consumers, it happens locally on all of our smart phones. And it doesn't have to happen on every user at once, datamining companies are assuredly using AI to parse through search histories, user locations, etc to selectively process speech. This is the future dude, whether you like it or not
Maybe another thing that Google is doing is using nanotech to sneak into our ears and copy our brains. Then they rebuild our brains in their virtual processing facilities. They then run a simulation on each brain. This allows them to see what kinds of things we buy in the simulation and then they use this information to send ads to us about hammers and saucepans. It is entirely possible that you are in the advertisement focus simulation right now!
This scenario has as much evidence behind it as yours.
Oh, and the reason that Facebook wants to have access to your microphone and camera is so that you can use Facebook. Facebook allows people to post images and videos to their feeds. This is distressingly difficult to do without a camera and microphone.
Dude, big data is the commodity in this age. Data collection so vast and broadreaching that it's driving the development of AI to be able to parse trends from this data that no human being could ever understand. None of this is a secret, data is being mined and sold and unprecedented rates. Facebook is training AI on real people's messages in their messenger platform to (in their words) find trends in people who are likely to commit suicide. All of this is currently happening, not even under the table. You can say that it's crazy, because it is. But it's still happening whether or not you like it
At least with Android Kit-Kat or higher you can control app permissions. At the moment, my Facebook app only has the Storage permission. Microphone, camera, location...all turned off.
iOS has always been like this. The phone has to ask for each permission one at a time, and you can say yes or no to each. And the app isn't allowed to lock you out because you said no to something.
So I have my microphone turned off on the Facebook app. And I have location set to "only while using app."
Is this why? I don't know, I never saw the big deal in anything like this. I'm a fairly uninteresting guy and have nothing to hide. In all honesty, if I had to see ads, I'd rather see ads relevant to me than random internet "commercials". I just don't get the outrage. If this is true and Facebook/YouTube etc can listen to your mic, who cares?
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No itโs not why.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can always see when an app is currently accessing the microphone or camera, and Facebook isnโt unless you activate that feature. Certainly not when the app is not in the foreground.
You actually don't, since android (and I assume Apple) asks you to give permission for an app to use your contacts, phone, camera, mic, folders, etc. The facebook app works without giving permission for either the camera or mic. Companies always listening/watching is not a thing. It requires much more computing power than they have and is just not worth it in general. You generally don't notice ads unless they are about something relevant you've recently thought of. This is explained in /u/Mycroftholmez reply.
Lammy8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Android, just disable access to those permissions ๐
qzcorral ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...i don't have a fb but it came preinstalled and unable to be deleted on my samsung s7...can they listen to me?
cryo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.... if you have google maps, of course, you're being tracked. That's what the program does; indicate where you are. And request data from google relating to your location. And you explicitly give your phone permission to do that.
$64,000 question. Did you buy the paint at a big, general hardware store or did you buy paint from a dedicated paint store?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter where he bought the remodel supplies. Any online research/purchases he did and any runs to any type of home improvement store would be enough to trigger paint ads. Painting is cheap, easy, common, and likely to be done soon by anyone doing any sort of home improvement.
I'm accepting the claim that NO searches were done for paint supplies or techniques etc. I agree that there's a high chance something's slipping his mind and he actually did some kind of online research at some point but I wanted to postulate how it might happen in the absence of that.
Zuckerberg shows up at your door with a crowbar and breaks your kneecaps
vgf89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have anything that could tip them off sent to your Gmail? I.e. bank notifications, online orders, etc that are at least tangentially related to your home remodeling?
193X ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:25:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just going to a hardware store's website?
Google and Facebook's advertising algorithms are really not that sophisticated - I'll buy something and I'll get nothing but ads for the thing I already bought, and ads for the site I bought it from for like a month. There's a lot of throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping you click still.
This happens to me all the goddamn time. I'm childfree and was once talking to a coworker about babies. I go on my break and my feed is suddenly ads for pregnancy tests and IVF, all that nonsense. I'd never once had those ads on my feed before.
Dude it's freaky and my wife doesn't believe me. We were talking about a plumbing problem in our shower and she said I should call a plumber to get it taken care of. I started getting youtube video recommendations about how to snake a drain and stuff like that. Her friend told her on the phone about how she was going to have another kid and now her facebook is showing diaper ads.
It's not as advanced as you think. I have GPS turned on on my phone and whenever it notices I'm near, or have recently went in to a store my phone will pop up with "How did you enjoy your visit at ____ location? Please write a review and rate it!"
If you have this turned on and have went to a hardware store, it will be stored in your GPS. Facebook can easily access this, especially if you use Facebook on your phone and have agreed to its EULA. Every app you install, a window pops up stating "This app needs access to photos, contacts, locations" etc. You agreed to that, so Facebook can easily track you via GPS. It's a feature built in to your phone that Facebook can take advantage of.
This is one of the reasons I'll never use Facebook. Much to invasive.
popcan2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not "Illegally", all those multiple terms of services nobody reads to use your device after you dropped $500 on it or when you sign up to a site, mean something.
I had people over, someone brought this fancy lemonade. I have never bought it, looked at it, nothing. I was cleaning up and grabbed the bottle, looked at and threw it in the recycling. Within minutes I got my phone and looked at fb and there was an ad for the lemonade. I was by myself and didn't even have my phone on me when I looked at that bottle. I still don't understand that one.
Websites share information. You use a search engine often, yeah? You ever look up how to fix something related to remodeling a house - running electrical cable, or looking at paint swatches, something like that? Guarantee you another company bought that info and then sent a targeted ad based on it. They're not watching or listening, they're just following your tracks.
If you looked recently at any websites about home improvement, or searched any sites for pain/hardware, or Google maps tracked you to a hardware store (maybe? they have this data but I don't know if they use it), then Google put your unique id (via cookies, usually) into a bucket for retargeted advertising regarding home improvement or specifically house painting.
There's an option to opt out of personalised advertising, so you'll get random ads instead.
sjmiv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever been on a home improvement store website? It showed you that video because of your browsing history
Any chance you make a google search related to home improvement? If so, you can guarantee the search product shares data with YouTube. Did you visit any home improvement store websites? If so, they probably have Google Analytics for tracking purposes, and that got fed back into YouTube.
There's such a mingling of data between Google search product and Google/Facebook's tracking services that people have a vast underestimation of the data being collected on the via legal means.
gattaaca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't be possible for them to stream everything you're saying and 'spy' on you per-se. The data costs would be too obvious.
I've long imagined they have some kind of local keyword recognition going on. It would then returns ads based on those keywords. Would require a bit of battery usage, barely any data transfer.
To really test this I guess you could put your phone next to a foreign language radio station (one you've got absolutely nothing to do with or no knowledge of) for a while or something. See if you start getting ads / content for that country.
Someone may have said this already... but if you've gone to any kind of website to look at renovation stuff, advertisers can hit you with a renovation message. It's done via non-personal data. Advertisers just enter a bunch of parameters (i.e. show my add to anyone who's shown in interest in topic X) - if you do topic specific activities on the internet, you're going to get targeted, generically.
In my lifetime, I've probably seen over 10,000 ads on the internet (not including ads shown to me in the sidebar of any webpage I'm viewing). Chances are high that eventually, I'm going to see an ad that directly applies to whatever situation/circumstance I'm currently dealing with. The human mind tends to see patterns: some exist, some don't. Try not to look into it too deeply.
Did you google anything at all to do with remodelling? Remember YouTube is owned by Google, so it makes sense that the recommended vids are you going to relate to your search history.
Just wanted to reply to you because I've done some ad targeting that has achieved the result your talking about.
You need to consider all your data and cross-site tracking.
For tracking - ad companies will often have pixels installed on websites that help profile users as they move from site to site. For example: You are painting, so maybe you did a google search on paint or visited Home Depot's website and looked at paint. The paint company or Home Depot (whoever is paying to serve up those YouTube preroll videos) uses the profile they've built on you, based on site visits, to deliver these targeted ads that are very topical to something you are doing.
In addition to your online data, many credit card companies track what was bought and where and use that to help profile consumer groups in a specific area.
As a marketer you can take all of these data points and deliver ad buy programs that can have much higher potential to reach the customer because they are delivering relevant information.
So it's probably not Facebook listening in on you, but a combination of mined data points based on your online browsing history and credit card purchases that have created a profile a paint company is using to deliver ads to a set of people you happen to fall into.
Not that this isn't freaky. But it's more computers analyzing data points than humans watching you specifically.
This type of stuff has happened a couple times to me.
Me and the kids were watching youtube videos and an ad for Disney started loading, but was lagging. I said something like "Boo Disney, nobody likes you" and the ad immediately closed itself and the video started playing. And I haven't seen an online ad for Disney since then.
Another time, I was at someone else's house and we were talking a little about Red Dead Redemption. That night, at home, when I opened youtube, some of the first suggestions were for videos about Red Dead Redemption. This continued for a few weeks.
I was talking to my mom who said she had to figure out how to get to "saint something" street, there's a thousand streets starting with saint in this country, there's saint "blabla" hospitals and what not, and this street is anything but popular. So I type in "google maps saint" and right at the top is the bloody street I was just talking about.
Did you go to a home repair store to prep for remodeling? I know companies use your WiFi on your device pinging to identify you and collect marketing data. I would not be surprised at all if these companies share data to target ads. I'm fairly certain some major retailer had a bit of controversy over this recently.
Did you use a credit card to buy your remodeling equipment? Or did you search google for contractors ? If so, then google take a that data in order to send you relevant ads. It's not Facebook spying on you. It's social media/ email taking the data you readily give them
Breezle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you buy products to paint? Consumer data is tracked
But did you use google just once to look up anything or buy any materials? Or even look up related but not explicit things because google owns YouTube so their algorithms will be linked to YouTube's.
Also remember you are one drip in the ocean of billions of users data so your data is basically invisible due to the sheer volume they take in. Its highly highly unlikely any human from YouTube/google will ever look at what you have watched, let alone what the search algorithms picked up from previous searches/data recording.
You didn't have to enter anything into YouTube . You only had to search with Google. Google owns YouTube. So if you searched for anything related to your remodeling you triggered the tailored ads. People don't search for paint and curtains if they aren't remodeling.
I agree. I want to cut social media out but they make it hard. I turned off FB and deleted it from my phone; two days later I had to reinstall to sign into my Spotify and a few other apps.
On a side note: If anyone knows how to find your spotify username let me know. I want to cut FB and this is the only reason I have it. (Music is important to me)
ankensam ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:34:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact Spotify. When I deleted Facebook for the first time I got in touch with Spotify to reinstate my account and they were very helpful about it. They even gave me a free month of premium!
I had originally made my Spotify account via Facebook. Years later, I could not login to Spotify without logging back into Facebook. I contacted Spotify and they walked me through making a new account, where they they send all your Playlists and friends and such to. Then you cancel the original account, shut down Facebook. All good.
Yeah, I tried it and I got a subscription to Groove until 2020 for free (thanks Reddit!) but I have sooooo much content on Spotify (playlists and such) and I also use my phone to stream music via bluetooth in my car and Spotify is the only one the never fucks up.
I'm sad I resubbed to Spotify because I thought the free sub to Groove would suffice; but less than a week after losing it I missed how easy Spotify is to use. And they have been missing some music I've looked for. =(.
But now I use both, Groove has a Vince Staples album that Spotify doesn't.
Bodiwire ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:11:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are a prime member, Amazon prime music is actually pretty good. It doesn't have as large or diverse a catalog as spotify, but it's pretty good for no additional cost if you are a prime member. I can usually find about 80% of the artists/albums/songs I'm looking for with it. This may depend heavily on what sort of music you listen to though. Not perfect, but good enough that I'm not going to bother signing up for for an additional bill for spotify premium. They also have an "prime unlimited" thing for an additional monthly cost that includes more artists, but it seems pretty pointless to me. Usually what I'm looking for is either included with prime anyway, or isn't available at all even with unlimited.
Prime is such a great deal. The only problem I have with using it is that the interfaces are so clunky.
Take Prime video, I find a series I want to watch..good, well instead of a handy drop down menu to select different seasons you have to click on another thumbnail.
I tried prime music once but it just wasn't right, I like my spotify recomendations.
Prime also comes with a dropboxesk app and they give you some amount of free data storage with it.
It really is service after service included but I don't use any of them apart from 2 day shipping and to watch The Grand Tour as soon as it comes out.
Bodiwire ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that their video app is pretty terrible, in terms of the app itself not the content. I actually like the audio app though and haven't had any trouble with it. I honestly don't really like the spotify app and find it far more clunky. That may be because I'm using the Android version though. I've heard spotfy's Android app is much worse than the iPhone version. I haven't used the iPhone version so I can't comment on it, but the Android version leaves me very unimpressed.
h6xy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe soundiiz has support for turning spotify playlists into groove playlists, if you want to try that
8hole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you get free groove?
filipelm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo I thought I was tripping. A couple years ago when I first made my Spotify account, I logged back in and got an email saying "welcome back to FB" or something like that and it was insane. I had my FB deleted for years by that point. I still have no idea how that happened.
st_owly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I signed up to Spotify before they added FB integration so I've always known mine. Did you sign up with FB?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have Facebook but I do have Spotify, so there must be a way. I'm sorry this comment wasn't actually very helpful, I guess I'm just letting you know it can be done
You can contact Spotify directly and they can unlink your Facebook account to Spotify. I had to do this when I uninstalled my Facebook app from my phone.
That's why you don't integrate across social media, friend.
qzcorral ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me. If you signed up for Spotify using your FB login you cannot change it. But! You can create a new account using an email address instead of FB, then contact Spotify customer support. They will transfer everything over to your new account for you. It's a slight PITA but worth it to be free from the evils of FB.
I too deleted Facebook, but it was linked to my Spotify. I contacted Spotify, they created a new account for me, moved all my playlists and songs over, and gave me a free month of premium too. It was so awesome. Best customer service I have had. I haven't had a problem since. I highly recommend you contact them, they'll walk you through it and it didn't take very long at all.
Bbhmh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it sucks but the only workaround I've found is making a new Spotify account from scratch without using your Facebook to sign up.
Then you can make a username and log in that way.
What I did was make the new one, then searched for my own original Facebook profile through that one, copied over my playlists, then deleted my Facebook knowing I could never log back into that original Spotify account.
2 years no Facebook, but I get to keep all my music collections! Hope this helps
If I first signed up for Spotify using Facebook, then got Spotify Premium, would I then be able to create a device password and log in without Facebook but keep all of my playlists and stuff? Or do I just need to make a new account?
I followed this guide - I've reactivated Facebook now, but while it was deactivated I could still log into Spotify on all my devices and access Premium and all my playlists.
I closed my FB account a while back and had my Spotify account linked to it. In my case, I had to contact Spotify support and ask them to switch my account over to my email address.
Bodiwire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might not be worth the effort for you, but you can get a spotify account without facebook now. When I first started hearing about spotify a few years ago I tried to check it out but it required a facebook login to sign up. I didn't have a facebook and wasn't about to make one just to use a music service. A few months ago I checked again and I was able to sign up with just an email. I don't know if there is any way to easily copy all your playlists and settings to a new account though.
I had Spotify premium connected to Facebook, deleted the Facebook account and realized I couldn't used Spotify. I just sent Spotify an email, they responded in literally under 5 minutes and sorted it out. Ended up making a new account and Spotify managed to merge them somehow via email, so all my playlists and recommendations were still there. Best customer service I've experienced.
geedavey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I have two Facebook accounts, one is hooked up to a throwaway email I've long since abandoned, and I use it for everything I don't want to share in my personal universe.
xpletive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can contact spotify support to delink your account from FB and login with a username instead
Try faceslim, it's basically a web wrapper around the mobile fb site, with a few extra touches, so you can sign into your needed accounts without all the baggage and battery drain of fb official.
I never use any social media, I have Facebook messenger but only use it to occasionally talk to my cousin. Never use anything else. I have almost 0 online presence and it feels good man, although sometimes I feel like I'm the only one not completely absorbed in it all. You should get off social media, I'm a lot better off for it and I feel like most people would be, that shit is toxic.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My CD player broke but my bluetooth works. I have a huge book of CD's and was actually buying CD's up until it broke.
Turns out 4.99 a month for spotify is much much cheaper than 12.99 - 18.99 per album I want every month (usually 2 or 3).
I still buy physical sometimes for the novelty and it feels like I'm supporting the artist, but I only buy from artists I've listened to for a very long time.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 19:28:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So privacy vs cash, I guess. You weighed your options and chose Spotify. Now you're asking how to get your privacy back while defending your original broken choice.
Download Tor, then download music. You're trying to walk too thin a line between saving money, keeping your privacy, and somehow supporting the artists monetarily. It's not possible anymore.
At least for the first two, it doesn't have to be listening into conversations. It's possible that you had his email in your phone and it knew you were close to him based on GPS tracking. Or it noticed you had a mutual friend between the two of you.
WatNxt ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:28:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, if you connect to the same WiFi. If the other person looked you up on facebook but didnt ask you to bz a friend.
Yeah, those first two are definitely tied to having visited the same GPS location and then possibly having a mutual contact or other similar statistic involved.
The third option sounds like it could just be very simple predictive analytics based off a handful of metrics that google and/or Facebook have on the user. And confirmation bias would account for the user taking particular recognition of the ad they noticed.
I can't tell you how many ads I'm served in a single day that aren't directly relevant to me, but would be relevant to other people that are very similar to me. But the one time they are spot on, I don't freak out thinking they're spying on me, their algorithm just happened to get a good hit.
I had this same sort of experience the other day with Walmart's website, opened it up to search for something and it had a Buy it Again section filled with items I bought in person. No log in or even the same card as I used when I last bought online, but it still knew
I had the same thing. Stuff I usually buy at Kroger , like some specific crackers , I saw an ad for on Facebook. I was like what the hell...
afqrzv ยท 223 points ยท Posted at 17:57:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean facebook has been sued for this very reason. When you allow it to use your mic it never says when it uses it. I firmly believe that facebook app listens to your conversations and is the exact reason I uninstalled the application.
Exist50 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:34:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lawsuit doesn't equal guilt, or I can give you a thousand BS suits from tech.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:36:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ This is true.
Facebook does know how to use your data to recommend friends, and ads are tailored to your browsing habits; but turn off your GPS, clear your browser history/cookies every so often, and they are nearly blind to your life if its not already directly on your page or given to them. You will get a lot more randomness to your ads and Facebook related things if you clear all of it (try it with Amazon, before and after clearing cookies/cache/browser history).
Sure there are ways for people to use your microphone and video without you knowing, but for someone to do that you pretty much have to let them in in the first place for them to control the hardware (Malware, viruses, etc). You can allow access to those sorts of things (like google asking permission to use the mic on your phone), but at that point you're giving it permission to listen when you click on it.
Without explicit permission or access there aren't many ways to go about controlling the mic/camera without noticing its on, and no average person is really that special enough to warrant time and effort spent on them to collect data when its 100x easier for a company to look at browser history, GPS, or basic key words said into their own microphone when they turn it on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But their permission say they can have it on whenever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More often that not you have a way to actually shut it off (on by default usually), if you wouldn't be able to it wouldn't really be legal; which is a whole different can of worms.
You can shut services off for things that "track" you like GPS or mics or cameras in settings for most applications, usually for a loss of some sort of service that is provided (you can't use Facebook voice chat without letting it have permission to use the mic), but you keep your privacy by it not listening for keywords in a conversation to sell you cheap crap.
Always on, unless you tell it no.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:58:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes there is a way, but when people give them permisssion to use their microphone for recording a video or something, they dont know what else it is allowed to do
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do know what else it is allowed to do, them collecting what they want when you give them permission is in 99.99999% of user agreements for everything; apps to Facebook. It comes down to the indivdual understanding what they're doing and agreeing to, but no one wants to read an entire user agreement.
Between the internet and decent people if Facebook was legitimately listening in when they weren't legally allowed to someone would know (either a working engineer looking to detect it, or someone at Facebook itself).
Simon_x ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:13:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, you can inspect every piece of traffic going across your network if you want to actually verify this. (Spoiler: it's not happening).
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:03:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 19:11:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is nowhere near that capable. Have you even used the search function? I'd sooner believe a ghost is selling your information to the CIA than believe Reddit could index a God damned thing.
Except that as a business it makes way more sense to invest in the thing that actually makes them money as opposed to fixing their shitty but functional search bar
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:32:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you...use Google and then are surprised when Reddit uses it to sell you adds?
Imma give you a second to think this through...
And isn't Reddit seaecht operated by a Google competitor? "Hey Siri. Bing "Google."
Mmffgg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever functionality fb messenger uses for voice
JFCrls ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:16:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the trade off, nothing is free. Your Reddit account, your Facebook account, your Instagram etc... you don't pay a dime for them, but you let them collect all that sweet sweet data.
Yeah, no. This is ridiculous. Reddit isn't scanning the texts you're sending to your sister.
That tag probably showed up because there was a rise in popularity of Brazillian JuJitsu. Also, /all isn't tailored to you.
People see patterns in things and ascribe meaning to them all of the time. Think about cloud watching. We see objects in clouds all the time, but that doesn't mean that there's some higher power making clouds shaped like objects we recognise.
how dumb do you have to be to believe this lmao. so many superstitious idiots. i guess some things dont change with time and more knowledge
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smart. I would never install an app from Facebook on my phone, although now I'm unhappy that they bought WhatsApp on February 19, 2014 - now I have to decide if I want to uninstall that.
This happens to me all the time. I remember last year talking to my husband about something and when our conversation was over I got on Facebook and saw ads for it. I freaked out and yelled for him and he just stood there all smugly like, "Mmm, always wanna call me paranoid!"
Since then, it's happened a lot.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:18:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember the exact term but a lot of this is sort of a spotlight effect. JUST THINK of anything random, like random, and make it a big deal. Then notice how often you find stuff related or your brain makes the connection.
You thought of a starfruit and now you're seeing more grocery ads than ever before! No. You just notice stuff more
Exactly. Two months back my missus wanted a new car, she said she liked the citroen ds3. Never heard of them or at least acknowledged the car but after showing me one (and now getting one), I see them everywhere. It's not a conspiracy that citroen overheard our conversation and sent out patrols of DS3s haha
My wife google searched for glasses at work the day after her 1st ever eye exam. She started getting warby parker ads that night. She'd never signed on to FB at that or any computer at work.
Edit: in fact now I just yell at my phone to send me the ads for stuff I'm looking for. "man. I really wish there were some good deals on Black and Decker Impact Drivers..."
PAPAY0SH ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:09:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its Google, not facebook.
[deleted] ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 20:00:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's not like it's a secret that they are tracking your location or reading your emails. They've admitted it and it's public. Not saying that's good, just isn't a conspiracy if it's known to be true.
dpcaxx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"just isn't a conspiracy if it's known to be true"
conยทspirยทaยทcy
noun:
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
It was a conspiracy, they just admitted to it after the fact, and KEPT DOING IT.
I mostly meant it's not a conspiracy anymore. Obviously it was one at one point.
dpcaxx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my sticking point. It's fruit of the poisonous tree.
Let's say that tomorrow George (HW) Bush comes out and admits that he was a key CIA operative involved in the JFK assassination and was on the ground that day in Dallas. Furthermore, it was the members of Operation 40 who were tasked by him and the CIA to perform the assassination.
Would that mean that the conspiracy is over? No, it would mean that certain groups still reap the benefits from this action...just as Google does today.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They just admitted to it after the fact
No, they didn't. This has always been public knowledge.
They're not trying to hide the fact that, when you give them permission to know your location, they will use it.
Thus, this isn't a conspiracy, as it is not and never has been secret or had harmful intention.
dpcaxx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:43:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's a load of horseshit and you know it. Find me the press release from Google that describes their "plan" for world wide eavesdropping and request for customer input.
They ran this under the radar for as long as they could, then just said "meh, it's to benefit user experience" once exposed. It's harm could be argued, but it was a secret for damn sure. As for benefit...well... I think we know who was on that side of things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't openly announce it, but from day one it was no secret (again) that when you give them your location, they are using it.
Was anybody surprised that Google wasn't just tossing that data out? Seriously?
This is like running up and yelling "guys, guys! prince is dead!"
Yeah, dude, we know.
And I don't know where eavesdropping factors in, as there has never been a record of Google doing that.
dpcaxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't much traffic where I live. But the alert popping up near the end of my work day telling me there was a huge delay (multi car highway crash) is helpful. I've also used it when in a place I don't visit often and it gets me home via the quickest route.
On holiday it routed us round a big crash as well. Off the highway exit, down a few random roads and back on a bit later.
Frictus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:43:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a food store, so I was there every 5 days out of 7 for over a year. Now that I'm free (got a new job) my google maps will highlight any of that food chain whenever I am near it. It thinks I really like that food.
Mr-Blah ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:19:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird.
My SO's gmail realized that her work adress is her work adress.
There is 0 mention of her name and this address online. They just deduced that based on her commute every day, it had to be it. To a point that "work" is now an option as a destination on her google map...
Yea, they literally tell you, and then they ask you to check in when you're there.
Target and now Wal-Mart use God so whenever you're near their store it asks if your shopping there.
The only time this whole thing was weird was when is have it track my home and work commutes, well I'd drive to work from my house and then from wokr,past my house to my dad's and then back home. Every day. One day I open it up after maybe a month of doing this and it's doubled my commute time, so I open thinking there's an accident or something. And it says "time from work to 'daughters nighname for.my dad' ----time from nickname to home' and showed my route. My dad is in my phone as 'dad' and we've only ever verbalized his nickname. And my phone was able to.realize everyday is leave and pass my house, pick her up and head back.
It's worse than that. Several times I mentioned something only in email and was thereafter peppered with ads. I've tested this a couple of times by sending email to one of my throwaway accounts mentioning specific diseases I'd just heard of or products I've never used. Soon started getting junk mail and ads about them.
Google is reading your email.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:26:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good rule of thumb is that if you aren't paying for a product then you are the product. No company gives away services for free. They're always collecting data about you and how you use their services so they can either sell the data to advertisers or sell ads themselves.
Fonzy02 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They just say they can do anything with the information you give them.
There must be more to this - I'm not giving them any information. I'm giving it to my friends and family. They're no more entitled to peek at my mail than is my mail-lady, or so I thought.
abqkat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:26:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're using their medium and servers and technology to do so, so it stands to reason that there is a price for that service. And the price is them collecting data. Plus they tell you in the terms of use that they're using your activity, so they are entitled to peek at your communications
How explicit are they? I figured they'd be entitled to look at the outside of the proverbial envelope - see who I talk to, maybe send them junk mail, watch the sites I go to, try to sell me things. It still doesn't necessarily follow that they can flat-out read my email. In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have been so surprised to find out they do, but I was and am. If they included a note that said simply 'we will be totally reading your email' I'd think there'd be something of a backlash.
I don't have a link for anywhere Google explicitly said it but it's been common knowledge. Microsoft even made a few videos attempting to parody the situation. It's why if you search for "gmail reads your email" you'll find a bunch of recent articles (within the last few months) about how it's a big deal they're not doing it anymore.
Edit: I decided to take the time to check out Google's ToS. Under the section "Your Content in our Services" you can find the following sentences:
When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content.
and
Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored.
So when you create your account and check that box that says you read their ToS you have given Google permission to do the above. They're certainly not hiding it but most people probably aren't looking for the information.
To the extent that I remember reading any of this, I seem to recall thinking it applied to shit I uploaded to google+, which I therefore refused to use. Honestly didn't think they meant emails, which for some stupid reason I thought would be treated like my regular old mail. More fool me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not arguing but that still sounds a long stretch away from '... and we'll be selling it to whomever we wish'. I'm sure exactly nobody wants to go to court to test the limits of this but has this gotten anywhere near court? I mean long before Snowden I assumed that NSA was having a peek but I didn't think Google was blatantly trying to stick their hand up my ass.
At work, I received a specs doc attachment in Outlook and opened it in Office while signed into Gmail on a browser. When I went home for the night, I was digging through my Google Docs repo looking for a different file and that Office attachment was listed as one of my recently opened files.
The attachment never touched the browser in question. Somehow, just by having the Gmail web site open, Google determined that I opened an Office document from Outlook and made a copy in my GDocs repo. I'm a coder and I have no idea how they even managed to catch the events from a website and silently copy a file from my local machine to the cloud without triggering any sort of anti-malware or access restrictions!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, both.
I wrote a memo for myself this morning about reading a book that I shortened as EE. Later on twitter I got ads for EE mobile.
I left my phone out next to Polish coworkers in the past, since then Polish language is recommended on my Facebook.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. When I deleted the google app and started using Duckduckgo, I stopped getting ads entirely.
I don't know, I use lots of google products and I never get this kind of intrusive ad targeting. I also don't have any facebook apps on my phone. So it seems to me to be a facebook issue.
JFCrls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's everything. I pull survey data for work from our field team and included in their response data is IP Address, Machine, OS, Location etc... If I'm getting that then so is the service we use. Everyone is collecting everything, when I hit Save on this post you bet that a lot more data then just these words is being captured.
peppaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Onhill00 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:59:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to my wife earlier today. She bought a new kind of shampoo and did no research online for it and she mentioned that facebook was "all of sudden" showing her images of that shampoo. It freaked us out quite a bit.
A few weeks ago, I walked into a store with a friend who had to return something. It was a camping store I had never even heard of before. Didn't launch the FB app at all while in the store. Later that night, I got ads on FB for that store.
I don't have an android, but I still signed up for it with my iPhone because I like looking at my map! Haha
hbk1966 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you have remembered the ad if you hadn't gone to the store. You see hundreds of ads a day eventually you'll se some relative it's called a coincidence.
Their spying via microphone and camera is well documented.
It is not just a conspiracy theory, it is real.
edit
Looks like the facebook lynch mob has arrived to deny this.
[deleted] ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 22:28:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what makes me mad though, it was only but maybe 4-5 years ago that this kind of talk had somebody labeled a paranoid conspiracy theorist. I was one of them. Now everyone is walking around acting like its common knowledge.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:22:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Several years ago it wasn't nearly as bad though. I had google email and it was basically just that, a way to write to people. Now it's all linked, so I was using it somewhat professionally, then noticed that while my emails were professional, anyone could also see the few random, dumb comments that I had written in something like youtube.
The irony is, what if it was because of those paranoid people that led Youtube/Facebook to do it? They might've said, "Wow, these people think we can do that? I mean, can we? No? Can we figure it out? That would be amazing!"
There is some but not as much as people think. I'd be willing to bet 99.9 percent of people here never even read a full news article about Snowden let alone the leaks.
0 evidence? Are you retarded? I'm being sincere. Do you have a mental disability? Maybe people are over-exaggerating the depth at which Facebook tracks you, but there is PLENTY of recorded evidence that shows Facebook tracks you. Even after you've logged out.
triggered retard calling others retarded for no reason. you linked an article on PCMAG talkign about a BLOG. Furthermore, it talks about facebook tracking you through apps like spotify where you login using facebook. it doesn't talk about it listening to and watching you without your permission. so you provide a bullshit article that doesnt even talk about microphone and camera. well played RETARD HAHAHAH.
Did you even read the part where I mentioned that people exaggerate the depth at which FB tracks you? I'm not on board with the microphone and camera conspiracy, necessarily, but if you think FB isn't tracking your history, or at the VERY least your FB related posting and content, you're just naive. I could link several other articles, that was a simple quick google search, but something tells me you won't accept that evidence either. Feel free to do your own research.
retard is wrong again. read the top comment. it is about microphone and camera. dont try backpedaling out of this retard. no where did i say fb isn't tracking your data. dont change the subject cause you failed. get raped retard.
I wasn't discussing the top comment. I was discussing your inflated statement of 0 evidence. I'm not backpedaling and you need to learn how to have a proper debate. Good luck with your rage problems though. I'm sure you'll get far.
except i won and he has to change his argument midway. his insults are copmletely baseless while mine is based on him believing retarded things and being wrong
Where can I find this documentation? I hate the shit out of Facebook and I'm just itching for a better reason to delete it forever. Hook me up m8
Mmffgg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is none. You ARE probably better off deleting Facebook (getting lawyer, hitting gym), but every part of the conspiracy theory is explained away by how easily computers can read us (which is actually kind of scary). Not long ago on TiL there was the story about the girl who got coupons for baby stuff before she knew she was pregnant (which I believe predated smart phones, it just was going on what she bought at that store)
b_port ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's in the terms and conditions that you signed to use Facebook that they can use your location and mic.
You know, there's a way to verify this kind of thing yourself. Get a packet sniffer and you can see whenever your phone sends something over your network. You'd be able to see whatever recordings they're "secretly" sending out.
maxd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:43:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Surprise, they are not sending out anything.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:32:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
any links to this "well documented" stuff?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya ok buddy. Post that documentation or admit you're full of it.
Sneet1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:09:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i have a question. How much do you think the absolute minimum amount of data to track you, regularly feed this information to FB, and update your advert profile semi-regularly enough (say daily) would be?
Even in an incredibly compressed or totally text-based data transmission, that's a lot of data. Most data plans I've ever seen rarely have more than like a ~5G cap. This is also assuming that Facebook is live-processing or caching and say, processing it once a day and processing it into some kind of parsable, simpler data they could then send back, which would likely drain your battery like crazy - on an entirely different level to battery hog apps like Messenger or Snapchat. The alternative, either live-ish transmission of raw audio data or even caching audio data and say sending routinely would be pretty absurd for any kind of audio file that's even semi comprehensible. Voice recognition software is not particularly powerful - try speaking a paragraph into your phone's text to speech functionality. It won't be very good, and that's at the best quality data processing your phone can do, and that isn't even caching or compressing audio data or sending it anywhere (although searching with chrome will build your advert profile when you submit the query).
I used to think this shit too, and I still have my reservations about the text content of messenger and my browsing history elsewhere based on google ad sense but it's really fucking easy to build a pretty accurate advert profile for a person. Scary easy. Consumption habits are really predictable and those predictions are almost always right, or if you think about them you can think about why you were targeted specifically. Maybe you were talking about knives, didn't even notice you googled something about knives off of your phone meanwhile you are in the prime marketing categories for a person who buys knives.
A bunch of apps say they have access to your microphone and the blurb is "this app has access to your microphone and can record audio at anytime without your confirmation." Why would it say that if they never intended to do that?
Mmffgg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:47:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this app has access to your microphone
Yes
and can record audio at any time
No.
The reason Facebook has access to your Mic and camera is, surprisingly, for audio and video posts
I work with (but not exclusively in) audience segmentation for a major shopping brand. We don't listen to your conversations. We do stuff like "Wow, 40% of our high price items are bought by 10% of our customers, we should target some advertising at them." And then we look to see if they're provided us with an email address or a postal address, and if they've agreed to accept marketing and then we mail them a brochure. Jesus.
Well, yeah, but your point was that this doesn't happen. Clearly it does happen, and people should be aware of it so they can check if an app uses their microphone.
Still, keep the sticker since we know malware exists to watch you, as a rootkit too so the only reliable way to be sure is a full hard drive wipe thrn set it on fire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go on then, give us a source.
clemsev ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:48:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 or 3 days ago there was a red circle on the facebook tab. And I hovered it up and it said the website was using the microphone and camera. Which was a little unsettling.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're on android you can disable specific permissions. Nothing has access to my mic, and since I disabled it I get no more weird ads.
I'm convinced that the "People you may know" section is mostly populated by people who have recently lurked my profile. That terrifies me because I'm lurking other people as well and my profile is likely popping up for them too.
nagol93 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:03:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats why I quarantine FB. It works pretty well.
I never use it on my phone (never install the app) and ONLY use it on a specific 2 computers on a specific network.
The first two are from geolocation and associated friends. Not so much listening to your phone but matching people based off of where their phone tagged their location.
I guarantee my car talks to my phone. My car decided it needed an oil change and until I got the oil change all the ads on my phone were for oil changes and products.
its probably more of a calculation from the last time you were at the place you get your oil changed and the average amount of distance you're travelling and them guessing its about time for another.
I made a kik account to message someone who I'd seen on tumblr and wanted suggestions and sent a small one line message that their work was awesome and got a thank you response.
I made an account for one message. I did not know their name, I did not have a tumblr account and a few weeks roll by and they are suggested on Facebook.
Facebook had suggested an anon whose face I recognised from the tumblr. Someone who one would assume would 110% would want to keep their identity a secret.
That was enough for me to delete a lot of apps and not use my phone for Facebook.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:59:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you read what facebook apps actually do, you agreed to let them listen in and sell your data to the highest bidder.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't sell your data. They sell ad space and that space is on your feed.
If they sold data they would be out of business in an hour.
UTF-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"they" might not sell it, but what about their business partners, subsidiaries, or network providers that get the data for free?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure.
Just like Trump would never be president
Rej_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:23:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they dont sell it because it's way more profitable to 'rent' it to advertisers. I work in webmarketing and you'd be horrified how customisable their targeting clusters are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Horrified?
Way to fear monger. Perhaps marketing isn't for you, friend.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:28 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify might be in to this same stuff. My friend suggested a gig in town next month. A hugely obscure band. The next day the first song on my brand new "Discover Weekly" playlist was that band. Pretty good actually. Might go to the gig after all.
I would think it's likely to be using locations and then other connections in the background. I believe it also looks at contacts (phone numbers, email addresses etc) and builds degrees of separation off that. You're right though - it's surprising the connections they can build.
I've disabled Facebook (and any other app owned by Facebook such as Messenger or Instagram) from accessing location services, microphone, and camera. I still get Facebook ads for things I've had mentioned to me in passing, verbally and in-person, by other people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the absolute fuck. I thought avoiding social media/turning off location services made me relatively safe from the more insidious types of targeted advertising. I'm skeptical of digital assistants and 'smart homes' that can remotely control things like your lights and thermostat.
But a vacuum? Why would a vacuum need to broadcast data? I understand it needing to 'know' the floor so it doesn't just go over the same spot over and over, but there shouldn't be any way to remotely access that information.
Exist50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an opt in for the app.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with fuckin google. When ever i'm talking to someone, and a subject comes up to google i type one letter in AND THEY ALREADY KNOW I WANT TO GOOGLE HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE NAMED THERE CAT SNARFLES. Its weird.
I'm pretty sure this is a known fact, right? It's why apps ask permission to make phone calls... They aren't actually making phone calls, it's an excuse to use you microphone.
kchpgess ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I discussed several times with people in person when I would finish my masters thesis, but I never wrote it in Facebook . On the day that I was should have finished my masters, Facebook posted for me that I am now actually finished. The funny thing is, I got an extension of four weeks because of private reasons.
I don't even understand why Facebook would post it for me and I only found out when people started liking the post.
Nanowith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As somebody who works in advertising I can say they spying on you, but they are on everyone else too. We easily have access to your information but it shows up as statistics and data; nobody gives a shit about you personally.
While Facebook is tracking all this data it only uses it to try and tailor its online experience to you and see what shit it can sell to you, beyond that it doesn't care.
TLDR; this is happening, but nobody gives a shit about you, especially major corporations.
Here's something a little bit more interesting, though:
Tinder knows your soul mate... and it's intentionally keeping you from them.
For those few dozen folks who haven't used Tinder โ even just to see what all the fuss is about โ it's a mobile dating application that works by showing users a gallery of potential prospects. Whenever two people independently indicate their interest in one another, they're invited to start an awkward conversation. You can think of it like virtual speed-dating, in that the general idea is to pick out the people to whom you're attracted, all while hoping that they do the same after seeing you. The program is free, but non-paying users are limited in the number of "Likes" that they can dole out.
If you spend enough time on Tinder, though, you'll start to notice an interesting trend.
When you first install the application, you'll discover a diverse rainbow of people on your screen. Folks of all appearances and from all walks of life will be presented to you, and only few of them will be obvious robots. You'll see scores of women standing in front of Machu Picchu, crowds of men looking constipated as they not-so-subtly flex, and hundreds of both genders whose interests include "live music," "adventures," and โ perhaps most descriptively โ "fun." If you're not completely desperate for companionship, you'll wind up dismissing far, far more people than you'll want to contact... right up until the moment when, all of a sudden, everyone starts to seem appealing.
That sudden shift is where the true genius of Tinder's business model lies. My guess is that as you swipe through the first several dozen potential paramours, the application slowly gathers data about your preferred "type." Then, once some hidden algorithm has gotten a handle on the sort of person who "starts your lawnmower," so to speak, it shows you a group of users that you're likely to find appealing. Your activity is accounted for, too, so that you're finally presented with someone who could very well be your soul mate at the exact moment when you run out of "Likes."
Not wanting to miss out on true love (or maybe just mind-blowing sex), you pay for the premium version.
Now, none of this is necessarily true, but it wouldn't be too terribly difficult to pull off. Even if Tinder isn't employing this kind of system, then it's almost guaranteed that other mobile applications are doing something remarkably similar. For instance, marketing companies can tell exactly how long someone has watched an online advertisement, and can even target similar commercials at the times when they'll be most effective. They know what you want to see, even before you do, simply by analyzing your previous activity. We all give away an absolutely astounding amount of personal information, and we've gotten to the point where we don't even notice the patterns being employed against us. All it takes is a little bit of entertainment or efficiency, and we're hooked, simply because convenience is king.
Or in the case of Tinder... because sex sells.
TL:DR: A Tinder-based conspiracy theory about mobile marketing technology.
Multiple times I have been on Tinder and seen someone and said to myself, "Holy shit, def swiping right" only to be greeted with the "You are out of likes" screen. I just wait till the morning though. They're still the first ones on there. Seems like it has happened waaaaay too often to me though.
They put a person who is frequently right-swiped on (attaractive) as the one right when you are out of likes to motivate people into buying more. They also front-stack people who you matched with when you haven't used it in a while to give you a successful feeling, making you swipe more, using up your likes.
It's like 100 per 24 hours or something. I can swipe through 1-200 before getting a match. My ex swipes 3-4 between matches. The disparity is huge. Tinder amplifies 'traditional' dating dynamics of girls getting to be picky, IMO.
Girls don't get to be picky, guys just right swipe every girl.
raja1701 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But surely it's gonna be an attractive person when you run out of likes because you're right swiping them in the first place, so you find them attractive?
It's always a noticeably more attractive person than usual, IMO. She'll stand out enough I can usually guess I'm out of swipes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm waiting on their "Gold" membership. A service where they'll just show you who's swiped right on you already. Meaning they could have been doing this already but there's easy money to be made by single and inpatient suckers like me.
If you ask me they just assume the profile that gets the most right swiped is 'hot' and good bait to get a less desirable user to buy the premium, a lot less expensive than making sure people don't find true love
The thing is though you can only run out of Likes when you plan to swipe right on a person. That's how you find out you've run out of likes.
So if you run out of likes on person 7 and then swipe left for the next 3 people, and plan to swipe right on the next one (person 11) you would only find out you ran out of likes on person 11, who you are obviously attracted to since you planned to swipe right on them.
Right, but think that through: Tinder knows, based on your past behavior, that you'll want to swipe right on that eleventh person, so they arrange your matches to put the most desirable candidate right at the point where you can't Like them... at least, not without spending money.
Or what if they just save commonly right swiped profiles until the end. It seems easier for them to just use a profile a lot of people like as bait. Chances are if most people swipe right on someone they're good looking, or funny, or whatever enough that you'll like them too.
That makes sense. Dating sites are like clubs, the guys are the consumers, the girls are the product. You make the guys wait in line while the pretty girls get in for free, or else the guys wouldn't have a reason to put up with waiting in line.
Ya but what I'm saying is you'd only get to see ONE of these 9s and 10s, because as soon as you try to swipe right on a pic after you've run out of Likes it lets you know you're out of Likes.
Therefore whether they purposely put good ones after you run out of Likes or not you'd still end up in the same situation. You can swipe left all day, you'll never be notified so that the only time you'd know you're out of Likes is when you find someone you like enough to swipe right on.
It sounds like tinder has changed a lot since I used it in 2015. That's really disappointing because I believe I met my soul mate on tinder and we're still going strong. But I wasn't paying for swipes back then
Same. Met my future husband on Tinder two years ago. I don't remember a premium subscription. Definitely not someone I would have thought of as a soul mate, but hey, we work.
The funny thing is that the Tinder algorithms are actually pretty well understood, if you look it up on /r/Tinder or people who use it very regularly, it's pretty clear what's happening if you use it long enough. It is designed to try to hook you by showing you more attractive people first. In fact it sends you potentials in even-numbered groups of (6, 8, 10?) with your first group always being very high-scoring candidates.
The candidates are paired off and then 'competed' with your swipes, generating an Elo score depending on which one you swipe - if you do the same on both it's considered a 'draw'. In this way they are able to generally determine how attractive someone is (computational analysis of attractiveness in humans is really, really primitive even in 2017, so there's really no way they could figure this out objectively).
Their algorithm is built around boiling a person down to a single number, not attempting to categorize people, or mine data in a meaningful way. The genius of this though is that very attractive people get a huge amount of attention and so will stay in the app as 'influencers' making the app more popular and likely to propagate.
However, the same very attractive people are also very unlikely to swipe right on very many candidates, so you'll be highly likely to 'waste' between 5 and 20 swipes during a single session before you actually get to see candidates who have a similar normalized attractiveness rating as you - which means most men or less attractive women are much more likely to run out of swipes for the day.
OKCupid are actually the masters of doing what you're describing - slicing people into their traits and grouping/categorizing everything. The stuff they do with big data is absolutely light years ahead of Tinder, except that it's a more involved process and there aren't nearly as many people on OKC.
There is also a perception among some people that OKC users are generally not as attractive on average as Tinder users, the reality of this perception is obviously both subjective and unproven, but could be based in the fact that very attractive people are less able to control and filter the degree of exposure they receive. As an anecdote I once had an extremely attractive female friend who reinstalled Tinder right in front of me and received over 200 messages with five minutes of reinstalling.
If they really want to punish me they should charge for dislikes. I average about 20 lefts for every right swipe.
Smoldero ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:58:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you must be choosing all the uglies no one wants :P
realyak ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:11:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there is a conspiracy to make people think that the record labels are using Mick Jagger as a puppet to cover up the fact that they're selling us things subconsciously that we don't actually want.
Why else would the above bullshit be copied and pasted in to every single post which vaguely mentions conspiracies?
Maybe the fellow who originally wrote it put a fair amount of work into a long-winded joke (which people would recognize as such if they'd read the final sentence), so he shares it every twelfth time that he sees this /r/AskReddit question asked.
Maybe the individual in question chose that oddly specific number because "Sesame Street" brainwashed him into thinking in Base 12 when he was a kid, by way of two different songs that were repeated ad nauseam.
Maybe the creators of "Sesame Street" were also in cahoots with the people pulling Mick Jagger's strings, and maybe those people requested that the performer be called "Mick Swagger" while being portrayed as a Muppet, thus seeding the inevitable conspiracy theory that would arise from his name's presence in so many songs.
Maybe the reappearance of the conspiracy theory in question is counting up to twelve instances, after which the creators of "Sesame Street" will be revealed to be the secret entities behind the recording industry.
It definitely happens when you travel to a new city. Maybe just coincidence, but when I'm home there aren't enough people to swipe through to use up all my likes. Since the app is based on distance and the algorithm follows you with your account, being in a new city gives you tons of new people. I'm swiping through and lo and behold, just as you said, amazingly beautiful woman comes up but oops I'm out of likes.
gSpider ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait just a fucking sec. you can run out of likes? I have never run out, and I certainly have never paid for anything
Wouldn't surprise me, not just Tinder either. It's really not good business for any matching service, whether paid or ad-supported, to introduce you to your soulmate. If they are too good at matching people they're just eliminating their customer base. Wasn't it match.com that got caught years ago catfishing people? They offered like six months free if you didn't get a date after paying for six months? So they were paying actors to go on a single date with people who were nearing that free period mark.
I could see the tinder theory being something. I found that I match with girls who look extremely similar, despite swiping right on various types of women.
Do you think advertisers know I always open a new tab while the ad plays? Now I'm wondering if that's why I'm seeing more 10-15 second ads lately, trying to trick me into thinking I should just stay and watch the ad, since it'll be over by the time I find something interesting to read.
Wait, when did Tinder start limiting your likes? Was it always like that? I confess, I wasn't on it long, but I did meet a person whom I consider a soul mate. We met through Tinder two years ago, and we're getting married next year. Haha, take that, Tinder. I never paid a dime.
Lmao i feel like your onto something, I swear whenever id run out of likes the person who I can't "like" is 9 times out of 10 a women who i think is wicked attractive! Like way more than all the others i swiped right. I deleted the app though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is a conspiracy I think this is a business model.
They know who you like more that's why they show you those more often.
Tinder knows your soul mate... and it's intentionally keeping you from them.
I dunno . . . they did match me with an old crush a few years back, and we reconnected really well.
ETA: there's a premium tinder???
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently YouTube could use some work then. The two ads I always, without fail, see at work are for HostGator and Adobe CC. I already have a site hosted by HG and I already subscribe to Adobe CC. Their obnoxious ads make me want to move web hosts and go all in with GIMP/Inkscape
Wait, Tinder has a limited amount of likes? I've been using the free version for months and never noticed it.
eqleriq ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's idiotic... from the concept that one of the hugest sex symbols the world has ever known is mentioned in 3 songs by the same person to the bullshit falsehood about the etymology behind "swagger" to that concluding nonsense
"For those few dozen folks who haven't used Tinder"
Thank you , not all young people are so desperate for a relationship to set up pathetic blind dates with someone you don't know and not to have courage to speak in public , I at least hope so
Elliot Smith didn't kill himself. Yeah he sang sad songs, but he was recording a new album and had just invited a new producer to help him work on it. And no one stabs themself in the chest... twice. Idk who did it, but it he didn't do it himself.
Not saying you're wrong, but lots of people stab themselves multiple times during a suicide attempt. They're called hesitation wounds. For example, Artie Lange stabbed himself 9 times with a chef's knife and fortunately survived. Again, not saying anything about ES.
yendrush ยท 341 points ยท Posted at 22:50:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artie Lange is like the rasputin of suicide. He's tried 3 times. The second time he drank bleach, slit his wrists and stabbed himself in the chest 9 times. Dude is unstoppable. Although, he has had a bad year so far. I hope he ends up okay.
Strabbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he got a second chance with that Judd Apatow show (Crashed). He'd been booted off when he was busted for drugs, and now I hear he's back for season 2. A regular structured gig like that could be good for him. I'm really rooting for the guy.
I'm sorry man, but when it causes your loved ones to die you'll know what I mean.
crawfin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:21:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, giving up on the person is just not the way to handle a depressed individual. I'm sorry you lost one or more loved ones to it, but when someone clearly has a problem, "Fuck them, I don't feel bad for them" doesn't help at all
Edit: he should have been fired from mad tv after the pig costume incident and he should have been fired from the stern show when he was nodding off and calling in sick every other week. Like I said, enablers.
Edit 2: I'm a recovering addict, I have a psychology degree, and I take medication for depression. I think I know what I'm talking about. You know what helped me wake up? The embarrassment I faced after getting fired from my job.
tough love doesn't work. it's been proven ineffective. I am also a recovering addict and an addiction counselor. no, you don't know what you're talking about
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he/she is in a better place now.
sxakalo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes people even shoot themselves multiple times on the head, it is not that uncommon...a family friend managed to shoot himself twice and he survived.
That's why if I want to do it in the future I'm using nitrogen.
I personally know a stagehand who worked for Elliott Smith on his tours. They were friends. He'd watch the bathroom door for Elliott when he was shooting up. However, 2003 was said (from the friend) to be a turning point for him. He was happy. He wasn't using. He was excited to finish tracking his upcoming record. To this day, he still thinks Elliott Smith didn't kill himself. Of all the years he worked for him, his last year was least likely a time for him to end it.
Have you watched any of his final shows? They're really tough. If he was clean, then he was so severely depressed to the point where he can't play his own songs. I don't recommend watching them if you can find them, they're pretty upsetting.
This is common for people who have decided to kill themselves. You hear it a lot about how they seemed to finally be happy and then they go and commit suicide, surprising everybody. Apparently resolving to do it can make those with severe depression feel content, as if they've made the decision that will finally end their problems.
Usually people that have decided to kill themselves don't do it in the middle of a fight with their girlfriend.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:06:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From my understanding (and he's my favorite artist by far), on his 34th birthday, August 6th, he gave up a ton of stuff, like alcohol, drugs, red meat, even caffeine. He basically kicked everything that was a coping mechanism for his rough childhood, which he writes about in quite a few of his songs, particuarly earlier in his career.
Now suddenly, he has a ton of pressures and none of the things he's used for years to cope with them. He has the record he really wants to finish but it's complicated because he's been estranged from his record label so they want answers. His talked about settling down and having kids with his girlfriend. He even scheduled a meeting with his allegedly abusive stepfather Charlie to reconnect after years apart. I feel like all these pressures at once, plus the fight he had with his gf that morning, pushed him over the edge.
While I don't deny that the circumstances are definitely mind-blowing, he had a history of impulsive behavior, and a previous attempt in 1997 where he just jumped out a car and ran off a cliff.
It's definitely tragic and kind of implausible, but the events leading up to it make me think it was just a suicide.
I know a guy who watched form a helicopter a man stab himself six times in the chest. He had won a free police helicopter ride It didn't turn out how he thought it would.
A depressed person can have all sorts of plans. Unfortunately, the thoughts of suicide are not something that someone has one day and then doesn't. There's a buildup, usually.
You can be having an upswing in your life and one bad thing can set it off and you decide "now is the time. Fuck it! I give up. Finally!"
And that's all there is to it. Just because one has plans and things to look forward to doesn't mean that all the haunting thoughts just disappear.
I am glad you don't know what that feels like and how suddenly that urge can hit so you think there is no way he did it. Be thankful for that. Sometimes all it takes is a bad dream and waking up on the wrong side of the bed to decide it's time to end it.... FINALLY. Relief!
riptaway ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:35:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And no one stabs themself in the chest
Dude. Mentally ill people will do some fucked up shit to themselves. Pulling out their intestines. Gouging out their eyes. Not that stabbing yourself to death is common or easy, but it's not exactly far fetched that a disturbed person might do so
Actor Charles Rocket slashed his own throat with 2 box cutters. Hearing about his horrible childhood, it's not tough to imagine that someone would be driven to do this.
If it wasn't going to be drugs, it was going to be a thematic suicide. I don't think there's anything backhanded about it. The guy was depressed, and did it in a dramatic way. People don't have to plan to kill themselves, it can happen spur of the moment. I don't think that's the case though. He could have been planning his new album, got overwhelmed, and said "fuck it." Surprised to see Elliot Smith in this thread though...
Alybank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a similar conspiracy theory to this. My roommates dad died of "suicide" but he stabbed himself in the bathtub multiple times. I think her parents(who were on the verge of divorce) got in a fight, her mom stabbed him, staged it then "found him" later.
Probably his girlfriend. She was right outside the bathroom door and she inherited his estate. Fishy fishy.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:53:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't inherit the estate. They weren't married or anything after all. In fact, she sued the family a year after it claiming that they had a "verbal agreement" that he'd financially support her for the rest of her life more or less. She didn't win obviously.
Also a bit suspicious, she was seen taking his music out of the studio very soon after he died, then she sued soon after. Uncool.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:12:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've heard that but logically, what would she get out of that? She has the masters maybe, but she wouldn't be able to profit from it.
There's also some 40 year old photographer that is probably the single biggest leader of the Elliott Smith Truther movement. She's pretty much worked every batshit angle over the years
I think she was figuring that because he told her they would get engaged or married, it was a verbal contract and she had the right to all of his music and money. Seriously though, I always think about what could have happened on that night. I really wish there was a way we could find out, but I don't think it will ever happen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, IANAL but she the courts decided against her. The family controls the estate and they have an archivist who's been pretty active on Elliott Smith forums over the years. They've put out quite a bit of unreleased material over the years.
Yeah I think the same. A lot has leaked over the years, even stuff he's worked on up to the day before he passed and it's incredible
Yeah. It also troubles me that his mother and step father are retaining the rights. I do not wish to support the person who Elliott wrote "Abused" about. All of his work is incredible and Suicide Machine (song he made right before death) was like his cheeriest song yet.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:03:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but at the same time, experts say one of the clearest signs of someone having decided they'll kill themselves is if they're suddenly cheery after being depressed a long time. That and stuff like giving away money or belongings saying they won't need them anymore are pretty big warning signs
Do people commit suicide by stabbing themselves? Yes. Was Elliot struggling with depression? Yes, and for a good part of his life. However the way that his girlfriend acted after his death is shifty as FUCK. Stealing things from his studio barely days after he passed and suing his family for money don't sound like things someone who just lost their SO would do and it certainly shows like she cared more about the money than anything else.
Also, she just happened to stumble upon a suicide note that the police didn't see when investigating the scene the first time... It was in a very visible place also.
Add that to the fact that the knife Elliot used was allegedly wiped, as the police didn't find any fingerprints, and shit starts getting real shady.
Not to mention his girlfriend was a licensed therapist (meaning she had to take first aid classes, but still removed the blade while in situ - big no no), there were no finger prints on the blade and he somehow had the cognition to write out a note and leave it on the fridge before stabbing himself in the chest twice? Most people agree that if he did it, the stabbing was a spur of the moment impulse - not a planned out event.
I remember hearing this at the time but not since, odd to see him brought up again all these years later.
Deignish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i actually knew a guy who stabbed himself in the chest a few dozen times with a blunt knife. luckily it wasnt long enough or sharp enough to hit his heart or an artery
Kourtney Love did it. In all seriousness even if she didn't murder Cobain and it was a suicide she definitely had a role in hooking him back on drugs and getting him to a place where he wanted to end his own life.
Corpusly ยท 1522 points ยท Posted at 03:10:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pockets in women's clothing are designed to be small or nonexistent so the fashion industry can sell women purses.
Smoldero ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 04:22:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the only conspiracy here is why everyone's seemingly fine with this
I'm fine with it because even if pants had big pockets, I wouldn't use them. I carry my wallet, phone, keys, lotion, lip balm, and dental floss with me every day. Sometimes I carry an umbrella or a bottle of water. It would be so uncomfortable to try to carry all of that in my pockets. Plus it would look weird with bulges everywhere, and it would be really hard to sit.
I only ever wear crossbody purses because they're hands-free, unless I'm dressing up and need a fancier clutch or something.
Do it. You'd still get a ton of women (like me) who want huge pockets cause carrying bags everywhere is annoying, especially if I only want to take my wallet/keys/phone with me.
Same here. I refuse to buy any jeans without pockets
harlemrr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:45:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaand you have a third person who agrees and would buy your pants with men's pockets. Pants without pockets are awful, but the most evil are the ones with fake pockets.
And this right here is the real reason women's clothes do not have large pockets. A vast majority of woman prefer a clean and well fitting look, and bulging pockets destroy that. They also tend to bring a lot of stuff with them, often far more than pockets would allow. Big purse benefits from this, but they aren't the drivers of the trend.
Plus most women carry pads and tampons in their purses all the time. If you wanted women to be able to conceal those in a pocket, the pocket would have to be HUGE and probably include a zipper to keep the stuff from falling out while walking or sitting.
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:35 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still prefer male pockets. Between my pants and a light jacket (Works even in Aussie summers) I can carry my phone, keys, wallet, lighter, smokes, mints and still have room for any small shopping on my person.
This always bugs me. My wife complains about this all the time. You'd think with today's millions of start ups and women run pro-feminism companies and stuff there would be at least someone somewhere manufacturing pants that fit female bodies and have normal pockets. But I've never seen or heard of one (in fairness, ads for that sort of thing wouldn't exactly get targeted to me) and even if one does exist why isn't it more well known?
Do you know how much more you can fit in a bag than in a pocket? My giant wallet wouldn't fit in even most men's clothing pockets. My Kindle wouldn't comfortably fit in a pocket. Then there's my water bottle, a compact mirror, a hairbrush, a jaw clip in case I want to put my hair up, a nail file because I'm kicking a 20-year nail biting habit, a little notebook in case I need to write something down, a little pair of scissors, ibuprofen, granola bars, gum, and an extra shawl in case I get cold. All of this fits in a bag too small for my laptop (I also have a slightly bigger bag that fits the laptop and everything else) and it's not like it's all that heavy, either.
If I'm just running to the store, I can put my debit card and driver's license in my jeans pockets and my phone and keys fit in those pockets, too. But if I'm going somewhere for any length of time, it makes way more sense to bring the things I need with me instead of being cold or thirsty or bored.
tayman12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i mean lets be real, pants do look better with tiny pockets
actually it's so the pants remain as an article of clothing to show off girls legs/butts. the pockets have to be small otherwise shit will stab them because the pants are made to be so tight, generally. mens pants are looser usually so they get deeper pockets. you ever see those dudes that wear tight pants? if they put anything in their pocket you can tell immediately what it is and it looks like it's stabbing them.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:17:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a phase in the mid to late 2000' s that had men wearing girl pants and then going to concerts and flailing their arms.
_Timboss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An old friend of mine almost started a fight once when someone came up to him in a pub and announced: "Nice jeans you're wearing! I think my girlfriend has the same pair..."
Thankfully that strange "men in skin tight trousers" fad seems to have faded into obscurity!
Edit: Unless you're in a British indie band, think it's still fair game for them!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:32:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually it's so the pants remain as an article of clothing to show off girls legs/butts.
But it carries into shirt and jacket pockets too. My wife's jacket has pockets so small I can't fit my hands into them.
Chetanzi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:56:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adding to this - women's clothing, particularly shirts, are made of thinner fabrics so that 1. they wear out faster and need to be replaced more often 2. we have to buy more than one shirt and layer them if we don't want our tops to be see-through.
This is becoming less of a thing since sheer clothes are a fad now, though.
It's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy, clothing designers assume women don't need pockets because of course they have a purse, every woman I know has a bag of some sort at all times, not just for practicality but because purses are an excessory like a watch or jewelry. And of course purse makers provide the pockets not in the pants and are cute.
I'll have to disagree on that. I own several pairs of extremely skin tight skinny women's jeans and since I hate the tiny pockets, I've sewn bigger pockets into each pair and I haven't had any problems thus far. I carry my phone and keys in my front pockets.
This one bums me out. Cuz it's kind of real. Pants were designed so men had a better view. If women were going to dress like men, by god, they were not going to look like men!!! Let's see the curve of asses and crotches!!!! :/
xoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying that if I start retailing big-pocket fem-fashion I'm going to be swamped with customers?
I definitely wont do that though, because I want to make sure whoever sells purses doesn't lose any sales.
Erm. Yeah, they do need that driving force. Been a woman all my life and never liked purses. I wouldn't buy one if my life depended on it. Fucking expensive and ugly as hell, but I do have to use a backpack since there's no fucking room for anything.
Yeah, but those man pants don't fit right most of the time since only either the waist or the hips fit. Men typically have smaller thighs and butts with the same size waist as women. We also don't need the roomy crotch front that men's pants sometimes have.
Dude, just because I don't like purses doesn't mean I'm the type of gal that loves men's clothes. They're not made for the boobs and hips that stick out so freaking far
Women's clothing can work with pockets, they don't put them in. Women's clothing has extra fabric in the chest, less fabric in the crotch and more on the hips. That's the difference. Pocket sizes are not the only differences between male and female clothing, not even considering style of clothing.
Okay, and I had replied dispelling a comment saying that women don't need a reason to buy purses, they would just do it anyway. How does your comment have anything at all to do with that?
I think this far more of a passive than active thing. I doubt that anyone ever even specifically planned it out or anything. Gender expectations, fashion expectations, and manufacturing demands all work together here. And consumers do not exert a strong enough impact to change it.
But I still refuse to buy streetwear that doesn't have pockets!
vjmdhzgr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Promptic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:20:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's a bird egg with some dust on it from age. Since we as humans are descended from monitor lizards we have a subconscious desire to capture the egg.
Elcatro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:15:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real moon is in a pocket dimension, the one up there now is a doomsday device set to crash into the earth when our population goes over a certain limit.
Most of the US is Christian, about 75%. It would be wierd if most flat-earthers weren't christian.
Saying most flat-earthers are christian is like saying most abortions are done on christian women: they are... But that's to be expected.
Now if you are trying to say that a disproportionate amount of christians are flat-earthers, that's something I would be genuinely interested in seeing stats on. I doubt if any stats on such a fringe group exist though.
1jl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand. Flat earthers site Christianity heavily during their arguments. Obviously most Christians are not flat earthers, but I have watched lots of flat Earth YouTube videos and gone to lots of flat earthers websites and for whatever reason the theory is usually tied heavily to religion and some weird form of Christianity. It's strange.
Ahjeofel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not metal and not just super thin, but infinitely thin. It's a JPEG, we're in a simulation. Just a flat image, that's why the same side always faces earth. My uncle flew past it once, said that it kept facing him the entire time, and that it has artifacts that you can't see from far away.
Actually, the moon is just a projection onto a giant screen that is our 'sky'. All close-up pictures of the moon are actually high-res, closely-cropped photos of potatoes that have been electrified.
Also the earth is flat, and eventually cats WILL push everything off of it. Where do you think all your left socks have gone thus far?
!!! I keep telling people this and they look at me like I'm CRAZY.
LOOK AT THE SKY, IT'S RIGHT THERE. STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT.
Jumpy142 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sure, if you believe Big Space's lies about the sky not actually just being a projection on a space curtain.
Jumpy142 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sure, if you believe Big Space's lies about the sky not actually just being a projection on a space curtain.
RayTrain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the moon projection is turned off by the governments of each country on our flat earth and turned back on every morning. That how there's different moons. And when there is no moon the government obviously forgot to turn the moon on.
/s tho
comwhy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This post is just... beautiful. I love it <3
hbk1966 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's night and the moon isn't outside right now.
Have you not played the historical documents in majoraโs mask.
karizake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Master Roshi destroyed that thing years ago.
jrm2007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, so simple, all these years and all I had to do was look up. But I have been busy and I almost am never out at night. I do see the Moon sometimes in the daytime but I figured it must have been something else. Thanks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's onto us.
Take him down.
Jumpy142 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sure, if you believe Big Space's lies about the sky not actually just being a projection on a space curtain.
comwhy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah big space is the worst, trying to ban me from nasa sites and shuttle access saying things like "who the fuck are you?", "you are not qualified to drive spaceships", you will kill us all".
What are they hiding?
Bonobo77 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:21:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which moon landing do you think is fake?
averlus ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 04:50:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apple releases updates to make their phones glitch shortly before the next gen iPhones come out.
I haven't updated my iPhone 5s since I bought it two years ago- still works perfect!!
[deleted] ยท 941 points ยท Posted at 15:57:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the McCanns were actively involved with the disappearance and/or death of their daughter Madeline.
FBIvan2 ยท 259 points ยท Posted at 20:15:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
omg that was a rabbit hole! I never heard of this story and it is intriguing... I am shocked at the bottom of the wiki page where it just seems there is pedophile after pedophile found in proximity of the disappearance! Holy crap
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:37:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was actually another disappearance around the same time. A girl called Shannon Matthews was kidnapped and later found. I won't tell you what happened but it's worth a read.
rabtj ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:01:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but she wasn't really "kidnapped" tho was she.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:19:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was definitely kidnapped. The fact it was by people who knew her doesn't change the experience of being kept inside a divan bed.
rabtj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:55 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was all planned from the start.
How can it be a kidnapping when her own mother knew it was happening and helped plan it?
She was only hidden in the divan when they knew the police were onto them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JP193 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 01:15:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know that widely held fake memory that Nelson Mandela died years ago?
I have that for the McCanns. I have a memory that the parents confessed, the father was taken to court, and it was basically shown that she went missing and they covered up their bad parenting, and the publicity span out of control as they gambled scrutiny versus income (donations and biography royalties).
Genuinely just accepted that for years now, it was a 'case closed' in my head, and only recently someone said that they'd like to know what happened and I was very confused that there's still doubt.
There was a little girl who went missing around the same time. I forget where, but I think her parents admitted to killing her and the facts were similar enough for some of us to link these.
Or Madeleine โs murder has been solved for years in another dimension.
You might be thinking of Shannon Matthews. Her parents tried to stage her kidnapping to get an easy paycheck but Shannon was found hiding under her Uncle's bed. It happened around the same time as the Madeline McCan events. BBC did a really interesting drama about it not too long ago
You might be thinking of Joana Cipriano - another little girl who went missing near where Madeline went missing, around the same time, and whose mother and uncle eventually admitted to killing her. Although her body wasn't found, her uncle did confess that he put her body in a fridge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC many people remember him dying years before that in prison, and only found out he had been alive for years when he actually died. It's one of the most cited cases of the (aptly named) Mandela Effect. I'm on mobile or I'd link you, but you should look it up. Very interesting stuff.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:37:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do as well. But not solved by wasting taxpayers money
It'll never be solved now. There are still no big leads so no-one will ever confess, and there's almost no chance of finding a body. If she's still alive she won't remember anything her former life.
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 23:50:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IamBili ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:23:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe her parents had sold her cold body to some pedo ring, that helped with the whole PR stunt of Madeline "disappearance"
b_port ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty clear what happened, I just would like to know how it was done.
If you haven't, i recommend reading the book "The truth of the lie" written by the lead investigator of the case, Gonรงalo Amaral, who later resigned so he could publish it. There even exists a documentary made from the book here. I was shocked after I read the book and saw the video... it's just unbelievable how things ended. The part where they bring the dogs to the apartment is just overwhelming. Starts at the 25 minute mark in the video.
Since we are talking about conspiracies, I believe they were "protected" and the case was shutdown to avoid a diplomatic confrontation. The case reached such media and popular attention that it could no longer be "solved", it would lead to a major scandal. Let's not forget that they created a fund that reached millions of contributions, from common people as to stars like Cristiano Ronaldo and so on. It would be... crazy.
rabtj ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:08:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, cause Goncalo was a top man. He had already been implicated in tampering with evidence and misconduct in another missing child case.
He resigned because he wasn't allowed to profit from his book while still working for the spanish police and realised he was gonna make way more money from that than he could ever do in the last few short years of a career he had left.
Why would the McCann's be "protected"? They weren't anyone special. They had no connections to anyone special.
And theyve spent their fund on 10 years of private investigators looking for Maddie.
If you were the murderers, would you keep shining the light on the case for 10 years? Wouldn't you want people to forget about it?
You are so misinformed that you think Gonรงalo Amaral is Spanish. He's Portuguese and all of this happened in Algarve, also Portugal! I've done some reading on the matter and never came across the information you're talking about. Can you please link it?
Also, if you're implying that he tempered with evidence in this case, the most critical piece of evidence was brought forward by the forensic dogs which were brought to Portugal by the English police to aid in the case. As Gonรงalo Amaral left the case he was substituted by another detective, who later brought the couple to questioning in light of the evidence found. So it was not only Gonรงalo Amaral but an entire police force and judges, in combined effort with english police, that didn't fully believe the story being told.
rabtj ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:57:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[quote from the wiki article](Joana Isabel Cipriano (born 31 May 1996) disappeared on 12 September 2004 from Figueira, a village near Portimรฃo in the Algarve region of Portugal. An investigation by the Polรญcia Judiciรกria, Portugal's criminal police, concluded that she had been murdered by her mother, Leonor Cipriano, and her mother's brother, Joรฃo Cipriano, after witnessing them engaged in incestuous sex. Her body was never found.[1]
The mother and uncle confessed to police in October 2004; the uncle said he had cut the girl's body into pieces before disposing of it somewhere in Spain.[2] Joana's mother withdrew her confession the day after signing it, alleging that she had been beaten during a 48-hour-long interrogation. The police officers accounted for the bruising on the mother's face and body by maintaining that she had thrown herself down some stairs in the police station in an effort to commit suicide.[3] Both the mother and uncle were convicted of murder and sentenced to 16 years in jail.[4] It was the first murder trial in Portuguese legal history to take place without the discovery of a body.[5]
Five officers were charged with a variety of offences as a result of the allegations of assault; three were acquitted.[6] One of the two officers who was convicted, Chief Inspector Gonรงalo Amaral, led the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the British girl who went missing in May 2007 from the nearby resort of Praia da Luz. Amaral was not present during the alleged assault, but was accused of having covered up for other officers; he was convicted of having falsified police documents in the case and received an 18-month suspended sentence.[7])
Edit: Just read it. I actually remember that case, it was heavily reported on the news at the time. But didn't know it was also in Algarve and also investigated by him. Didn't even know the final outcome. Thank you once again for linking it.
He's not wrong about having to leave Portuguese police so he could make money from the book.
He did leave police do to a police investigation on another missing child where he covered up for 2 officers beating up the child mother who then later confessed. Either way he really isn't that good of a source, although it's widely thought here in Portugal that the parents did do it.
rabtj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:46:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Portuguese sorry, my bad.
If there was enough evidence to charge this couple they would have been charged.
No one on this earth could accidentely kill their kid then go to dinner and act like nothing happened. No one.
And if you say its possible then youve never had kids.
Being a parent doesn't rule you out of being investigated and/or charged. That isn't a deciding factor in any way... if it is, estatisticaly speaking, it actually plays against the parents.
In the book there is a reference to a statistic based on an english database that reaches all the way back to 1960, and from an universe of 1528 cases reported, the parents are responsible for 82% of them. On that same database, 96% of the times there is a great relation of proximity between the victim and the agressor. And only 4% of those cases are attributed to foreign agressors.
The curious thing is there was a mixture of her blood and two other people's blood in her underwear. The DNA did not match the brother. It's odd though they found blood from 2 perps because while finding her blood wouldn't be unusual given what happened to her, but what would make the perpetrators bleed as well and for it to be in her underwear. Semen, I could see, but blood from two people?
If the parents did cover up the brother doing this, where did they get blood from to plant in the underwear? It was the middle of the night and during the morning right after Christmas. If the brother killed her, they probably wouldn't have expected that, so it's not like they'd have blood on hand to put in her underwear.
The case is so bizarre, it's no wonder it's still discussed 20+ years later. Too bad the police did such a horrible job and tainted so much evidence.
atrigent ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 08:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so, after reading that entire page it actually seems that there's no unambiguous evidence whatsoever to incriminate the parents and the vast majority of the commenters in this thread are completely full of shit. Truly despicable.
Peil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two articles from complete opposite sources. If she genuinely wanted to find her daughter, she wouldn't care if the police were suspicious. Also she used her status and nationality to demonise the Portugese police for making her a suspect, despite the fact parents and spouses are almost always suspects in disappearances. The press helped her by portraying the Portugese investigators as lazy, stupid and incompetent. The first person she called was her lawyer. I have no proof that she committed a crime, but it's sure as hell she's not cooperating with the investigation, then wondering why people are suspicious.
atrigent ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two articles from complete opposite sources. If she genuinely wanted to find her daughter, she wouldn't care if the police were suspicious.
parents and spouses are almost always suspects in disappearances
No. If you had read anything at all about this, you would know that they were only made suspects four months into the investigation. This is also when this "48 questions" interrogation took place. These were all very basic questions that the parents surely had already answered and that the police already knew the answers to. It seems pretty clear that the decision to make them suspects was motivated by a misinterpretation by the Portugese police of a British DNA analysis. Their lawyer is the one who advised them not to respond to questions - the police's motive was to trick the parents into saying something that the police could use against them, not to acquire new information. If police ever initiate a witch hunt against you due to their own incompetence, I would advise you to listen to your lawyer as well (I feel like that's the one bit of legal advice that a non-lawyer can give).
The first person she called was her lawyer.
No. The first people they called were the police, 10 minutes after discovering their daughter missing. I don't know when they acquired a lawyer, but it's a damn good thing they had one by the time the police initiated their witch hunt.
Also she used her status and nationality to demonise the Portugese police for making her a suspect
The press helped her by portraying the Portugese investigators as lazy, stupid and incompetent.
It is clearly not true that the press universally supported the parents, because the press is where you and everyone else in this thread are getting 100% of their baseless accusations and other bullshit.
And honestly, the Portugese police did fuck up a lot. There's a whole section on the Wikipedia page about the fuck-ups in the first few hours of the investigation. Their handling of the English/Portugese language barrier was also quite laughable. None of this is to say that the whole thing is their fault, but it's completely justified for the press to report on these mistakes.
Overall, pointing to these "48 questions" articles is just about the dumbest thing you could try to do to discredit the parents. I have to say, if you want to discredit them, there are much more compelling ways you could attempt it.
Elia24 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 21:49:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I think they overdosed her on whatever the sleeping drugs were that they used on their children, then hid the evidence.
This is quite a crazy theory. The parents are both physicians. Even if they were giving sleeping medications (unlikely) they would have known what a safe dose was.
They did show very bad judgment to leave her alone in a hotel room when they went to dinner. How could they have thought that was OK? There could have been a fire, or she might have woken up and wondered off, or, of course, been kidnapped.
Lots and lots and lots of people do this to help very young children navigate through otherwise difficult or stressful things, like a long flight for example. It's very common and often actively recommended by GPs.
The kids were alone in the hotel rooms, but the parents all took turns going back every 30 minutes to check on them. At least, that's what all of them said.
I think she woke up, wandered outside and was abducted. Perhaps the person murdered her or she is still alive and being raised by some pedophile.
I did not know that. Perhaps some people are weird about strangers watching their kids, but then again, those type of people would have had one parent stay with the kids (even on shifts) instead of checking in on them every 30 minutes.
I heard it was a paying service, but I still don't get why they didn't use it...
rabtj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:20:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most these parents were guilty of was perhaps negligence in leaving the kids, altho i can see how they thought their precautions could be thought adequate by them.
Some people say they wouldn't leave their kids alone for one second, others would. Its all a matter of personal preference.
It isn't above leaving your kid for one second like leaving them in the supervised swimming pool while you go to the bar. It isn't like looking at your phone while your kid plays.
They left their 0-6 year old kids in a unlockable from the inside hotel room when there was a specfic service at the hotel so they wouldn't have to do so. They didn't go down to the hotel bar they left to go to a different bar not even in the hotel.
What would have happened if one of the kids left the room and was picked up by staff? Who would the staff contact?
In fact it is very likely that might have happened. Maddie woke up and went looking for them and was taken by someone claiming to know where her parents were.
It is neglectful and slightly sociopathic to gain money over the whole event through books etc + the whole not answering certian questions.
rabtj ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:52:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not true.
They were eating at the restaurant across from the apartment, not more than 50 yards away and in full view of the apartment door.
They ate at the same table they had requested every night for 6 nights, the one right at the front that gave them direct view of the apartment.
Personally i would consider their precautions reasonable as they checked on the kids every half hour and could see if one of them left by the front door and the back doors were locked.
They only things they couldn't take into consideration was someone breaking into the rear of the apartment.
Peil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They used sleeping drugs on their children? I've never heard of this story. That's despicable!
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 06:53:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why people are being upvoted highly for definitively stating this. It's just a theory and there's no evidence that they, at any point, did actually sedate them. I'm not dismissing it as impossible but press have been in a bit of a frenzy in this case and popped up with sensational unsubstantiated reports since day one.
rabtj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:11:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Their is utterly no evidence for this crap. It is pure and utter fantasy.
Just because they were doctors then people assume they drug their children? WTF.
I scanned through the wiki page and there are definitely some things about the case and the behavior of the parents that are odd, however, there is also enough (in my opinion) plausible evidence that the little girl really was abducted, like the Tanner sighting. There are a lot of people angry about them leaving their children asleep alone, but I can see them all as a group feeling safe having dinner near by with the kids sleeping and them checking on them every 30 minutes in a condo setting. The note that stated where the children were was a BAD idea and does open up the possibility of someone intending them harm to know exactly how and when to strike.
Elia24 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 03:11:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes its disgusting. They are doctors themselves and it was normal for them to give their kids sleeping pills or whatever Formula to conk them out and they could go out unhindered. Who seriously leaves a bunch of very, very young children alone in a hotel room. Sleeping or not, its not a normal thing to do. Add the sleeping meds they Gave them and this solves itself.
Holy crap and hat woman isnโt in jail? ... I suspected her before that but refusing to answer those? Why??? Most of them wouldnโt have proven more than that she was a mother!
To be fair it's against your best interests to answer cop's questions without a lawyer present generally, and these guys were itching to pin it on the parents.
Considering the obvious ineptitude and laziness of these cops, and the media focus called in by the parents, I can so see the cops getting hostile af, and that hostility eventually translating to suspicion. Murat has the sketchiest vibe imo, asking questions to journalists & ingraining himself in the investigation early on? Textbook murderer. Speculative af but hey lol
Wendy-M ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:57:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says at the beginning of the article that she was legally represented in the interview, does that not mean there was a lawyer present?
Peil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the obvious ineptitude and laziness of these cops
How is it obvious? This is just the narrative the British press pushed because foreigners can't be policemen apparently
Wendy-M ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:30:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you meant to reply to someone else, I don't know what your question is in reference to.
Peil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I did, Reddit was being very strange, apologies
Wendy-M ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rabtj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:53:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
copied from the Daily Mail article? A common practice with newspapers.
You think, your kid has just gone missing. Your baby girl. Are you going to be in a fit state to answer questions?
atrigent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This didn't even happen just after the disappearance. It happened four months later, when police surely would already have known the answers to these questions. The ignorance in this thread is truly astounding.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:47:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this even a conspiracy theory any more? Rightly or wrongly everyone thinks they did it, and even if they didn't they're still awful parents and awful people who have milked the situation for all its worth.
badillin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:56:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did... did they really set up a fund to help find her, then after it got over a million euros, they used the money for a downpayment on a Mansion where they still currently live... did they really do that????
holy shit...
rabtj ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:00:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dug deeply into this after an argument online with someone and the more you look at it the less likely they were involved it becomes.
Why would two people who had accidently or otherwise "murdered" their own child spend 10 years and millions of pounds hiring people to find her?
Wouldn't you just want it swept quietly under the carpet for fear of you being exposed?
This is just one of the reasons i think they are completely innocent of any wrongdoing.
The time window between her last being seen alive and being discovered missing is way too short for them to have done anything with her body other than hide it in a cupboard.
And could any parent who had just killed their own kid go to dinner and act completely normal? I don't think so. You would be devastated. No way you could hide that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just listened to that episode on true crime garage
ALLEGEDLY, the Podesta brothers were staying within a few blocks of where the McCanns were staying when Madeline disappeared.
Challymo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you've never seen it look up monkey dust, there is an ongoing sketch in it that reminds of this story every time I see it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd forgotten about Monkey Dust, thank you for reminding me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been of the opinion that her parents, both doctors, drugged their three children so theyโd be asleep while they had drinks with their friends. Something went wrong with Madeline, and she died. The parents took her body (which would be small, considering she was four years old) and said she was missing. Itโs strange that a four year old would baby sit not one two year old, but two. Also the room where the kids were sleeping in was unlocked. The best reasoning the family can give is that they were checking periodically. Sounds quite strange.
I'd be really surprised if they weren't somehow involved. Sad, tragic story.
pemboo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:09:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether they were involved, or left her alone as they claim, they are guilty of AT LEAST gross negligence. They're guilty one way or another of a crime and won't see any sort of punishment for it.
I think the big bro did it and the parents covered it up. From the documentaries and shut it seems like jonbenet was the favorite child camped to him. They probably understood his jealousy and made hop for it by covert the murder up.
I know, a huge reach, but they know more than they say
And this is why the case is so convoluted, people don't even bother to get the basic facts right. The case as a whole is plagued with misinformation and random accusations.
filo4000 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:26:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
different dead kid but I half agree on older brother thing, I 50% believe he killed her
Stormaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to post this if others hadn't. I'm not convinced they killed her (perhaps it was an accidental death) but their behaviour in the aftermath of Madeleine McCann's disappearance is incredibly questionable. There many questionable actions and suspect connections that, for me, just don't add up.
R/UnresolvedMysteries has an excellent post on the topic (I'm on mobile so can't find it but it's worth the read).
They were involved in some really shady shit as far as I recall and they were FORCED to give her kiddo or else they get killed.
THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED!
dezzear ยท 705 points ยท Posted at 02:48:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. govt shot down the plane in that Pennsylvania field so it wouldn't hit the Capitol. The inspiring story of passengers rising up is just propaganda.
The cockpit voice recorder captured the sounds of crashing, screaming, and the shattering of glass and plates.[73] Three times in a period of five seconds there were shouts of pain or distress from a hijacker outside the cockpit, suggesting a hijacker that was standing guard outside the cockpit was being attacked by the passengers.[74] Jarrah stabilized the plane at 10:00:03.[29] Five seconds later, he asked, "Is that it? Shall we finish it off?" Another hijacker responded, "No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off."[47] Jarrah once again pitched the airplane up and down. A passenger in the background cried, "In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll die" at 10:00:25. Sixteen seconds later, another passenger, identified as Tom Burnett,[75] yelled, "Roll it!", possibly referring to using the food cart.[29] The voice recorder did record the sound of the passengers using the food cart as a battering ram against the cockpit door.[76] Jarrah ceased the violent maneuvers at 10:01:00 and recited the takbir several times. He then asked another hijacker, "Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?" The other hijacker responded, "Yes, put it in it, and pull it down."[29] The passengers continued their assault and at 10:02:17, a male passenger said, "Turn it up!" A second later, a hijacker said, "Pull it down! Pull it down!" At 10:02:33, Jarrah was heard to plead, "Hey! Hey! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me!", possibly referring to the plane's yoke.[77]
The airplane plummeted into a nosedive with the yoke turned hard to the right. The airplane rolled upside down, and one of the hijackers began shouting the takbir. Amidst the continued sounds of the passenger counterattack, the aircraft picked up speed, whooshing and shrieking picked up on the recorder, and the hijackers inside the cockpit are heard yelling "No!" at the sound of breaking glass โ presumably from the food cart โ and that the final spoken words on the recorder seemed to be an inexplicably calm voice in English instructing, "Pull it up."[78] The plane then finally plowed into an empty field in Stonycreek, Pennsylvania, about 20 minutes' flying time from Washington, D.C.
I m pretty sure that back then the air force never had planes ready for immediate deployment with weapons ready. I remember in this documentary one of the pilots who were sent out to deal with the planes said it was a kamakazee mission as they had no weaponry.
[deleted] ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 06:22:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. There are 911 documentaries with the radio traffic. One of the F-16s that got scrambled had orders to shoot down Flight 93 if it got close to anything important, and the pilot basically asked "with what?" since he had no missiles and wasn't convinced 20mm Cannon would do enough damage fast enough if it came to that.
He was basically ordered to fly into it if he had to.
Gigajude ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 07:43:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The audio from ATC and the military on 9/11 is chilling. You can hear the panic in the otherwise cool composure.
We need to get those [fighters] back up there [to Washington, D.C.]...I don't care how many windows you break!
Also worth watching: Dead Silence (flight controllers monitoring the 2nd plane as it hit the WTC).
After-the-fact interview with Marc Sasseville, one of the pilots who was ordered to scramble into the air for a potential kamikaze mission, as their F-16s were unarmed.
โIโm going to go for the cockpit,โ he told her.
Time4Red ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 10:02:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly convinced that a 20 mm cannon could take out two turbofan engines. Even slight damage to the blades can effect the compression or turbine phase of the engine, which would result in eventual failure if the engine wasn't turned off. Loss of cabin pressure would follow once the engines were destroyed.
I.e. if the plane was on a collision course with a building, does shooting out the engines with a 20mm cannon stop the plane effectively enough so that it doesn't just continue to glide into the building?
Time4Red ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:41:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without cabin pressure, they would have to descend to 8,000 feet, at which point they could glide 20 miles without engines under perfect conditions. With the Appalachian mountains in the way, it would be more like 10, and every time they turn they decrease their range.
Time4Red ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:52:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contrary to popular belief, airliners to not recirculate all of their air. They take pressurized air from the compressors in the turbine engine and pump it into the cabin. That's why the air is so dry. If that system fails, then there is a limited supply of oxygen on board. Within 10 minutes, the pilot has to descend to an altitude at which people can breath the outside air.
Well presumably there's oxygen masks available, and he's probably not too worried about reaching his goal with an F-14 on his ass.
I'm just saying, while 20 mm cannons are sufficient for taking down an airliner, it's likely that the military wouldn't engage with them because there's too many variables as to what happens following the engine failure. The biggest risk obviously being that the terrorists just say 'fuck it' and ram the plane into a town somewhere.
Time4Red ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:40:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only enough oxygen for 10 minutes or so. Not sure if I made that clear.
A few years ago, there was actually an airliner that deployed it's oxygen masks. The cabin pressure indicators were green, so the pilots thought it was a mistake. By the time they started to become hypoxic a few minutes later, there was no oxygen left in the emergency system. They didn't have enough time to descend. The entire crew and all of the passengers all died. The plane continued to fly for 4 hours on auto-pilot, then just circled it's destination in a holding pattern for a few hours until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
Right, this is what I'm saying. Ten minutes is plenty of time to set the plane on a course to crash into any number of things, places, buildings, etc.
Unlikely the military would engage unless they could effectively take down the plane as swiftly and effectively as possible.
Time4Red ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A small town, maybe, but you aren't going to kill many people. An airliner crashed into a dense area of Brooklyn a few years ago and killed maybe 6 or so people on the ground.
maztron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because he wan'ts to accomplish what he was set out to die for. Doubt his intentions are to just pass out while flying a plane.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because otherwise he would be dead within minutes and not get to do his terrorist stuff.
...With trained pilots doing the flying. The FAA requires a multi engine rating in order to fly a plane with more than 1 engine. A guy at the controls with nothing but Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 experience isn't going to maintain control.
Also consider: an engine failing on its own is one problem... damage from a 20mm cannon could affect control surfaces, hydraulics, and the fuel tanks in addition to engine failure.
Just wanted to comment. I've flown many hours in MS Flight Sim (since v1.0 on an old Macintosh, up to FSim 2000).
I'm not sure I could fly a Boeing anywhere I wanted, but I am fairly confident I could make a reasonably safe landing.
I am sure I could take a typical four-seater and lift off, fly around all day, and land safety again. Because I have, without actual flight school, with an instructor sitting next to me. I had expected it to be more difficult than that.
I should probably edit my post to say "probably isn't". You're right that the act of flying a plane really isn't all that difficult - it's when things don't work like they ought to that you have problems. There are plenty of stories where the pilot of a plane was incapacitated and a passenger was able to land safely, so you're definitely right.
Where I was going with my original comment is that an engine taken out by a cannon will probably have more problems than just the engine failing. Take American Airlines Flight 191 for example - an engine separating on takeoff severed hydraulic lines that made the plane uncontrollable. United Flight 232 is another good example. My point is that trained pilots have trouble with these situations... a terrorist with no actual flight training most likely would not maintain control of the aircraft.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:42:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shrugs I mean, that was my thought too, but I'm not a fighter pilot.
Those 20 mm cannons can shoot 6,000 rounds in a minute. I am confident they could take down a commercial plane if they had enough time before the target (middle of Pennsylvania, not in a city)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:45:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wondered about that too, but I'm not a fighter pilot.
It's also possible I'm misremembering and he had nothing loaded.
The rate of fire can still be measured in minutes, even if they don't have the capacity. Using RPM rounds per minute is commonly used with all sorts of guns. An AK47 can fire ~600rpm, but the typical magazine only holds 30 rounds. You could just say it fires 10rds a second, or 30rds in 3 seconds, but rounds per minute is more common.
I think the passengers did rise up. However, the fed had no way of knowing this so shot it down where it would do the least amount of damage. When the story came out the fed didn't want to be thought of as killing people who were fighting back so played up the hero angle.
I feel like that math doesn't add up. It can't possibly that easy to determine where the plane would fall. It wasn't exactly flying on the ground and the momentum it had would have taken it quite a distance.
rmurph22 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 04:36:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a really interesting theory but also one that we will never know about.
The biggest reason this is completely unbelievable is that before 9/11, we didn't keep armed fighters on active alert. It takes a hell of a lot of time to arm up a jet if you weren't already prepared for it. I'm talking hours and hours and hours. Operation Noble Eagle was post-911.
Unless they just happened to have a fighter in the area with a live load (and they almost never fly CONUS with live missiles), you're severely underestimating just how damn long it takes to get a jet in the air with no notice. I mean, for starters, you have to find a sober pilot.
Secondly, hitting an aircraft with an AAM causes very specific types of damage and tends to break aircraft apart midair. The aircraft in question basically went nose-first into the ground at max speed - an AAM wouldn't cause that.
Commercial plane's blackbox recordongs usually are made public some time after they crash. So it's odd that with a crash as high profile as 9/11 that they'd release the transcript but not the actual recording.
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, I actually think more likely than not that the plane crashed on its own, but only releasing the transcript strikes me as odd.
When I searched awhile back, every "recording" I found was faked. Lots of people liked to pretend that the audio from the movies was the actual blackbox.
I was an aircraft maintainer in the Air Force a few years after 9/11. United 93 is what we call an 'open secret'.
I've spoken personally to several crew chiefs and even a weapons troop or two who all shared the same story. That morning, 4 F-16s scrambled out of Langley in a big damn hurry, full alert status. One of them came back missing an AIM-9. All pilots, dccs, some adccs, and even a few loaders were scooped into trucks and brought to debrief where they were instructed that these details were all classified. Being maintainers, however, the truth got out.
Pretty much all maintenance folks know this, it's not really a secret among us. However, this is a case where for the most part we agree with the made up story, because the idea that the passengers rose up as heroes and defended themselves is much better for morale all around, so we don't really mind.
EDIT: there's also this video of Cheney admitting he gave the order to scramble the jets to intercept.
I mean, I'm not gonna take a picture of my DD-214, but I'll give you a summary of my service.
I went in as 2A3X3, tactical aircraft maintainer (crew chief). Went to Lackland with the 320th TRS (can't stop the rock), in August which was dumb on my part. Very high temps. Went to tech school at Sheppard AB in Wichita Falls for about 7 months (326 crew dogs), then a one month HOT training (on the job training on live jets) at Tyndall AFB in Panama City, Florida, crewing the F15 Eagle. Went to Kadena AB, Okinawa, as my home base for my term. 18th AMXS, 44AMU vampire bats. From there I went on a few deployments around SE Asia and a couple to the states, like Red Flag at Nellis.
So that would mean that all the audio recordings from the passengers' phones were faked, as well as the black box data?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:54:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been confused by this... who in 2001 was instantly ready to record a cell conversation? Yeah, we all have apps we might know how to use to do this today, but how did these happen to get recorded back then? (Other than answering machines, of course.)
who in 2001 was instantly ready to record a cell conversation?
Also, back then you'd lose calls when you were driving on the highway because of dead zones so it seems very unlikely that any cell phones in 2001 could have made calls from a plane, connected to who they were calling, and had an uninterrupted phone call. And because of phone tech, you had to turn off your phone during takeoff and landing because it screwed with the plane's instruments, so the whole idea of making calls from a hijacked plane never sounded plausible to me.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:29:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offense toward your associate, but you're probably right about him blowing smoke. I am friends with several folks in the military, and work with several more. With very few exceptions, there are two types: the ones who tell you nothing, and the ones who make everything up.
If everything I was told by them was true, then a missile hit the Pentagon on 9/11, MH370 was shot down by the Chinese, there was an armed AC-130 orbiting Benghazi the whole time, Bin Laden is being held at a secret prison in Diego Garcia, and - my favorite - the F-35 was such a fiasco to cover up a secret program to build an actual cloaking system for it.
Not saying it's all lies, but you know some of it is.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was widely reported while it played out. Then they changed the story. Good call on this one, 100% correct.
The most fucked up part is the fucking idiotic hero movie they made about these poor murder victims. Shame on whoever did that.
lp1965 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question here, even if this is true, does it matter? The harrowing story of the passengers was an uplifting moment for the families of the victims on the plane, helping them feel their loved ones didn't die in vain and went down saving lives and fighting the good fight. A much needed uplift in America as a whole at the time. Being shot down would have been necessary if they knew it was the next one heading towards a building but is a much sadder story.
dezzear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:49 on November 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
absolutely, i dont beleive peoples feelings should get in the way of a greater truth. there can be some inspiration found that those people were sacrificed in order to save similar thousands with the few planes that met their marks.
I remember the day of: news reports that one plane didn't respond to calls to land immediately headed towards DC.
A few minutes later it was down.
mjj1492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:36:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially because the thing was blown to absolute shreds. That's doesn't happen in a crash. There also wasn't a giant impact crater like there should have been
eh? Look up the German Wings plane crash (flew into a mountain by pilot suicide), shit's pretty shredded and no crater, cause as far as I know craters only come from giant impacts
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:23:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said on the news in the U.K. that the plane was 'brought down'. They only said it once. Also, you couldn't bloody well use mobile phones on planes way back then. The 'handshake' isn't possible at those speeds.
Specifically the victims' families retelling what they think happened and that all of their spouses were deadly killing machines. The emotions they portray, body language, facial expressions it's all wrong. Those aren't the reactions someone makes to the tragic death of a loved one.
So my uncle is breathing oxygen through a mask right now because he DIDN'T get crushed by that plane? I guess I'll have to explain to him that he didn't actually crawl out through plane wreckage; I'll just let him know that he was part of the conspiracy.
Explain how flying the plane into the pentagon somehow made up a trillion dollar difference.
Peil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The theory is that the Pentagon were running loads of clandestine missions, bankrolling rebel groups, paying people off everywhere. Nothing super secret like aliens, but if the powers that be found out, the Pentagon staff would be in deep shit. So they fired a missile into the part of the building holding the large amount of records relating to secret missions.
It doesn't add up at all, but that's the story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've read about it, it wasn't like poof, trillion dollars gone. It was a stretch of a shit ton of unaccounted money.
Would you say it's best to read a posts title and understand it's context on Reddit, or not?
JacP123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:37:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's saying they didn't try to get in, but there's no way NORAD had of knowing what was going on in the cabin of that plane and whether or not passengers had risen up. Let alone whether or not they had successfully risen up. Even if it meant killing everyone on board they couldn't leave it with the chance that the passengers had regained control of the airplane. It only came out that the passengers had attacked the hijackers after the plane crashed.
In my mind, I believe that passengers on Flight 93 rose up against the hijackers. They may have even had been close to regaining control of the cockpit, however looking at the debris field and knowing what happens to a plane when it crashes, there's no doubt in my mind that plane was shot down. I'm not trying to discount the efforts of anyone on those planes cause they may have done what theyre reported to have done, but that plane was shot down.
Yeah, too much of a risk when three other planes had crashed into cities, to hope that passengers could overpower hijackers AND that someone on board would be skilled enough to land a commercial jet at a major airport.
Not sure about technologies in planes back then, but it is actually pretty simple to land planes today. They even have practices on simulators to see if they can talk someone that has never flown, to land the aircraft. Usually successful
[deleted] ยท 746 points ยท Posted at 00:37:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TURNING THE FRIGGIN FROGS GAY!
MiiCCA ยท 257 points ยท Posted at 05:25:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The absolute funniest part of this is that while Alex Jones is fucking insane, this one time he was actually kinda right. Frogs aren't turning gay, but certain pesticides draining into water are messing up hormones within frogs feminizing them and making them unable to reproduce.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 07:23:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, chemicals in the water are making biologically male frogs have sex with other biologically male frogs. This is like the only thread on here with an actual 'conspiracy' that is totally true. The worst offender being 'weed cures cancer dude' .
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:25:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:35:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it couldn't, maybe they knew about it but they aren't using the chemicals to turn the frogs gay, its just a side effect.
Thank you so much for linking that. He says enough batshit crazy stuff that isn't factual, but it pisses me off to no end when people cite the one time he was mostly accurate to make fun of him.
Deflargo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:40:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of what he says has truth to it, but he hyperbolizes everything
RCorvus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:28:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Xenoestrogens are the umbrella term given to the chemicals in questions. Things like phthalates from scented soaps or dryer sheets, cleaning chemicals, all sorts of things. They are small(ish) molecules that fit in the the estrogen receptor and feminize the froggies.
the best lies have a grain of truth in the centre.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:39:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one meme by itself makes infowars worthwhile in my eyes. I don't even read it, I just link it now and then to piss off liberals, but the fact that he was right about the frogs of all things delights me to no end.
Kinda like Peter Cvjetanovic, who is in the front and center of all these Charlottesville protest pictures. He is a well known student at my alma mater and is everywhere right now for being a white supremacist. I mean everywhere. The news, the internet, Facebook. There are multiple petitions going down right now to try and get him expelled. I give him a month or two before he had to change his name and move to a different state.
Right!!! The President of the University is getting slammed for asking students to treat him as a fellow student when he comes back to school and that we should try and look at it through his shoes.
It's not about for the guy we don't like, tolerance is for people who are doing things that do not infringe on the rights of others. You do not tolerate someone trying to kill you. You do not tolerate someone who advocates killing other people.
"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil. The world will be destroyed by those who watch and do nothing."
He hasn't infringed on anyone's rights. He has the right to peacefully protest and he did. He didn't fight, hurt anyone or kill anyone. Maybe someone did that was "on the same side" as him but that doesn't make it him culpable.
I believe he's wrong, 100%. But plenty of people in college have stupid beliefs and ideals.
It's like someone who goes to a G8 protest in Seattle and then gets kicked out of school because Black Bloc showed up and started throwing rocks at the police. Just because you believe something similar to a radical doesn't mean you're responsible for the most reprehensible actions of the fringe.
But if someone goes to a white supremacist rally, wouldn't you say that person is endorsing the views of white supremacy? The view that whites are superior to all others just for being white, and that other races deserve fewer rights and opportunities? I mean, you can't really go to a rally like that, wear a swastika armband, and give a Hell Hitler salute, and then say "actually, I don't support what the Nazis stand for".
I think it's about time that the US adopt some European countries' example and outlaw Nazism. That'll put them in a place where their 'free speech' will land them in jail.
Im saying the Nazis rose to power after being banned, showing it didn't hurt them and instead played into their narrative perfectly.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:59:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:00:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then I wish you good fortune in the wars to come, because that seems to be where this shitshow is heading.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you'd been to war you wouldn't be so keen to see it at home.
If Antifa keeps antagonizing the right and the nazis keep antagonizing the left then eventually someone will start shooting and a lot of people will die. I'd like to avoid that if possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A second Civil War would be Afghanistan/Iraq on steroids because not only will the government be fighting against insurgents, the insurgents look the same as them this time and are far better trained and armed. It will be an incredibly bloody conflict.
He was known in classes to side and defend Nazi/supremacist ideology. He was a political science/ history major. He has also gotten in trouble for being misogynistic in the dorms.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:01 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserves it. There are certain opinions for which people need to be punished. If we can successfully make an example out of the Charlottesville Nazis I bet we can effectively squash these ideas from propagating through pure, unadulterated fear. Just like the Google dudebro misogynist: the wrong opinions and viewpoints can and will lose you your job. If we can catch them even earlier, in college, then expulsion can ruin not just their career, but their life.
It really is a bright future. Within 10 years, Trump will be nothing more than a bad memory and there will be no opportunity for others like him as we, as a society, crack down on bigotry, misogyny, racism, Islamophobia, and homophobia. Google and Facebook will be able to use algorithms to find these people and ensure that they never get a platform to spread hate. They're already testing it: Jordan Peterson was temporarily banned from YouTube and they only had to rescind it due to public outcry. Milo was successfully banned from Twitter, Lauren Southern from Patreon, and many others. Soon, though, they will be able to quietly do it to them and all the other hatemongerers on social media.
We should just take away opinions in general. Government will tell you whats good and not that sounds better
IceNeun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:40:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Punished doesn't necessarily mean punished by the government. It's not like medieval and tribal villages didn't have the tragedy of the commons or the free rider problem either, for example. Being shunned violates no rights and is (sometimes, when appropriately used) super effective at incentivizing societally responsible behavior. It is a totally voluntarist, non-aggresionist, and non-governmental punishment that humans have used since we've lived in trees and caves.
The fact that he called Jordan Peterson a hate speech guy and the Google "dudebro misogynist" shows that such a position can't be taken seriously. They either didn't bother to look up stuff about all of this people or is not reading Peterson.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate speech is hate speech, no matter who says it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:07 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the US, Hate Speech is not illegal.
Piratian ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:15:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds a lot like you're promoting fascism. You're literally saying people should not be allowed to talk if they don't agree with you. I know for a fact Milo Yannoupolis and Lauren Southern aren't going around spewing hate speech, they just happen to value free speech.
And have you even read the memo that James Demore put out? It was a 10 page well cited memo that he sent to his hire ups that said that hiring based on diversity rather then skill isn't the best idea, and cited multiple scientific papers that were backed up by multiple scientists after the fact, that said that there are fundamental differences between men and women as a cause for a gender gap, and possible ways to fix that. He wasn't a misogynistic dudebro, he was worried about the direction google was taking and gave some suggestions on how to fix that to take google into a less politicized path. I really doubt that in 10 years trump will just be a memory, because you literally are saying HALF of america deserves to be gagged and kicked out because they don't agree with you.
L4cer8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:32 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know for a fact Milo Yannoupolis and Lauren Southern aren't going around spewing hate speech, they just happen to value free speech.
Cypraea ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:45:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was told recently that police departments require the usernames and passwords of all the social media accounts of anyone who wants to be considered for employment, and "they will find out if you leave any out."
I have no idea if that's true (or legal), but between the erotic fanfiction (some of it cop-themed, oops) and the very outspoken political asshole I used to be in various obscure places, plus the minor issue that I can't fucking remember them all, I am most certainly not applying in that direction.
I'm not a LEO, but I do work IT in a police station frequently. I've never had to divulge my social media accounts. Dunno if it's required of actual LEOs, though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the clarification! I was only required to get my CJIS level 4 certification in order to do IT work, but then I'm on the help desk, not a system admin or anything. I'm not sure if it's required of them either.
We had 2 backgrounds, basic and high-level. Anybody given a gun or the ability to dispense meds was high-level, the credentials for CJIS, AJIS, CCHRS, etc are given after and you agree to different terms. For example, I could look through a lot of systems as a deputy, especially at backgrounds, but IT personnel who entered data only had creds for their specific systems-L.A. County has several of their own requiring only our training and approval. Entering data or working on one system isn't the same as being able to enter a name and dob and viewing criminal/witness/victim info across the board.
All applicants sign and notarize a waiver before their process, I also ask you for your accounts. If you refuse or lie, you just gave me ammo and somewhere to start. Many of the largest sites have relationships with us, and with a notarized waiver I could get anywhere really.
I did have background checks when I first applied. I'm a city employee, so that was expected. When they decided they'd like me to pull double duty over at PD occasionally, I had to have my fingerprints run for a second, more in-depth, background check. I suppose that's when they would have asked for social media accounts, but I never had to list usernames/passwords. I have no doubt they looked at accounts that used my real name, like Linked In. But every other account I have is not my real name, so not sure if they found them or not. Either way, I don't have anything noteworthy or negative in my online history. Credentials work the same way here. Our PD is on a totally different network than the rest of the city and requires completely different credentials with tighter access controls. I have dummy accounts to test software functions, but not a lot of access to anything else.
Am LEO and I used to work background/pre-employment investigations. I will answer questions you have based on my department, the 2nd largest in the country.
Basically the answer is yes we do require it, and you agree to it.
So, serious answer is no, not those sites. The big three are what we're after, and by that I mean FB, IG and Tweeter........
The fun answer is sure! You better tell me who you wrote "Do you like me Y/N/Maybe" notes to in 3rd grade, because if you don't and you're lying I will contact every LE agency in the free world and I promise, PROMISE you as long as I wear a badge on a sunny day in this beautiful country you will only dream of one! DREAM! You think you are dreaming now!? Haha! You actually think you may walk out of this building and go put pencil to paper somewhere else, smile and say all the right things, work reeeeeeeeeeeeeeal hard and someday somebody will pin a pointless silver shield on your chest!!?? You ACTUALLY think that, don't you??!! The answer is no, no, no. Not tomorrow, not next month, not next year! Forget it you spineless, boneless, thoughtless worm! You lack integrity and the ingenuity to go anywhere I don't already have a parking space and a tab!! The most comfortable corner of heaven and the most wretched bowel of hell BOTH have an empty chair EVERYONE knows not to sit in because I might show up!!! If you dream of applying to any department in the land that I love you had better wake up, pour me a cup of coffee and apologize. Do you understand me or do I need to notarize a waiver for any offspring you may unfortunately spew forth in the event they try and apply in the distant future, only to ensure it lands back on my desk where I can ensure anybody you have ever touched continues paying for your half-hearted attempt at besting me??!!
But I would never say that!!!! And we would certainly never ask for obscure accounts that may embarrass you or my beloved department if they were to say, come to light in a courtroom in the heart of Hollywood where the only red face in the room is yours.
But seriously, just the big three and I just talk a big game. Tongue-fu, I call it. Did it work? Would you start spilling the beans? My fingers hurt.
It IS going to happen, and far sooner than that. Wasn't a certain high profile politician recently overheard in the locker room talking to his buddy Billy about some woman (not his wife, btw, but that's neither here nor there) he wanted to, um, bang? Betcha in a thousand years he never thought he would have to answer for THAT after a routine TMZ episode!!!
Now that I think about it, what if somebody mistook my above long-winded half-hearted attempt at a comedic response as anything other than a joke between you and I? It would be me with the red face in that very same courtroom, fumbling through an explanation that would undoubtedly be spun in an attempt to make me look like a fear mongering power hungry nobody with a God complex. Imagine if that were to happen!! Now wait for it........somebody on reddit will see that long post, and only that long post, out of context, and call me a monster with a badge who needs Jesus or an unemployment check. God knows it's happened before, and we are seemingly doomed only to repeat it. It's ok, I expect it on reddit, but the truth is my job pays me, it doesn't define me.
All the best to you, you seem like cool peeps. Glad I could make you chuckle-that means my job here is done. Now to go oppress an entire county 8 hours at a time........
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:25:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I want to be a successful writer and have high aspiring job-ambitions, maybe even VD one day. I don't want all the teenage angst i spewed into the internet to be plastered all over the media some day :/
Im a young guy who's very politically inclined. I think I would enjoy a posistion in politics. I really feel like I could make a differnence in peoples' lives, help stamp out corruption and systemic bigotry.
However, I fucking love really, really kinky pornography.
People need to get over the whole porno-shame thing. Who cares?? Short of things like CP, rape fantasy, or other horrible criminal kinks, who the fuck cares if you like watching furries, grown men in diapers, or whatever. Just get over it and move on. Too many good people hold themselves back because of what others may think of them. I like fart porn. It's funny, and I love it. I don't care who knows it, everyone I work with knows it. They think it's hilarious. Really couldn't care less.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you send it me I can delete it from existence completely.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:21:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've worried about this too, but there is one thing that will curb a lot of it and that's data retention. Companies don't store information forever. They have a data retention period, which is generally 3 to 24 months. Even the NSA spying has a finite data retention period of 12 months.
The exceptions would be financial transactions and online purchases, which companies might keep forever.
Data records may also be lost or disposed of as companies go out of business or are purchased and assets are sold off.
Member when the government built a billion terabyte data storage center in Utah? I member
djover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your theory is close to mine.
There are far too many people that willingly post in /r/AskReddit "what-are-your-biggest-secret" threads.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yepp. I try to post anything with the back-thought that anything I write or share online is stuff that I could say out loud and publicly to all and defend it. Don't share personal stuff online that you aren't prepared to share with all of your family and friends in real life.
I fully believe that the government wants full accountability. In the future everything you do online will be traceable to you. Every comment you've made, everything you've liked, everything you've bought.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I'm horrified by this, because hopefully someday I'll actually make it into the singer/songwriter world and at some point someone's going to drag something I said out of context that I don't agree with now, or link my entire online profile to myself and piece together my life and use that against me somehow.
I have my own, more optimistic prediction: one day some event will just open the internet, making everything accessible to everyone, it will be called the Internet Apocalypse ("Apocalypse" literally means "revelation") and after some initial shock and dread it will bring about a widespread inner peace as everyone simultaneously realizes that everybody's shameful secrets are out there and nobody is in a position to judge anybody else anymore.
I don't believe in the technological singularity thing, but I do believe this Internet Apocalypse is something the transhumanism crowd can actually hope to achieve.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:44:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not trying to dox you or anything, this is all stuff I found out from checking your reddit-profile. I hope I'm not breaking any rules or anything (If I am, say so and I'll remove this right away), since this is all stuff you yourself have posted about, and you did ask for it...
You're a 25 year old American guy from Michigan, have at least one sister, one deceased brother (sorry for your loss), you work at a pharmacy, meddle with some pot, you like the superhero stuff and Game of Thrones (but who doesn't), also have a pretty big interest in politics, religion and flags.
They already knew. Some young lady on Tumblr got fired from her job because she drew some comics that were critical of the fringe hypersensitive sector of the American Left.
Stuff on the internet is a two edged sword. You can say anything on there, but as long as you don't publicly state it's your account, then you can disassociate yourself with it and say you don't own the account.
I mean, what the hell are the police gonna do if you confess to a murder of Reddit, they bring you to court and it's brought up, and you say "I don't have a reddit account". Dead silence and the judge just glances over at the prosecutor who is speechless.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're forgetting that these are things that can be checked and traced. They can prove that you do have a reddit account, the information-gathering bots and stuff can probably reccord pretty much anything you type, and you're computer IP (or whatever) is probably plastered all over your reddit account. It would be like saying that "I wasn't at the crime-scene" when there are witnesses and camera-fottage of you being there.
Everything on the internet can be traced and everything is being "recorded". Nothing will go away, and it can all be tied back to you.
My dad swears he cured his cancer with weed. He made some kind of oil in the back yard and ate it for a few months and no cancer. No radiation. No chemo. He ate a ton of that stuff. He was high as hell. He calls it Rick Simpson oil.
He had hairy cell leukemia from agent orange that turned into lymphoma after about 15 years. I'm just glad I have my dad. I don't care how or why it worked.
[deleted] ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 03:52:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell him to give you the instructions just in case
jopnk ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:03:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The instructions are online and itโs pretty easy to buy, Rick Simpson oil is a brand name/famous marijuana product. Also it doesnโt get you high (cbd as opposed to thc).
I get mine from a medical dispensary but you can get Simpson oil that is cbd based but there is only a small amount of growers who have cultivated cbd plants. And they are over in Washington I believe. The Simpson oil you produce yourself will yield a thc based oil. With Simpson oil a dose for medication for a new patient is the size of a grain of sand. You can understand then how easily it is to get high on accident. The size of a baby pea will lay me down for a few hours. Children who take the oil build a tolerance and dose themselves at 3 times the dose of a new client.
jopnk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know a good chunk of this, thanks for the info
It's really easy to do;you just get all your trimmings and any other leftover plant,you can extract it with ethanol it can take a few days,but you can do it with acetone which only takes about an hour
As a doctor I think this says more about how treating terminal patients for so long helps create a more realistic idea of your prognosis and quality of life. I've met a lot of families that refuse hospice care and will try every last thing to extend the family member's life at the expense of quality of life. In the end they spend their end of life nonverbal slowly dying in a hospital bed, often alone. Most physicians I know don't want to go out this way and have more realistic expectations for their prognosis which shapes their desires for their end of life management. In your example I could see it that a lot of doctors wouldn't want to try this horrible chemo when they know it'll only extend their life by a few months, but many patients without seeing this day in n day out are more likely to be naive and want to try every last option in hopes of a miraculous cure.
kitiikit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was something I had watched/read/heard about this (it was a podcast or video, I can't remember. I believe it was a Radio Lab episode). Basically, doctors will do this A LOT, not just with cancer, but any disease with high mortality rate or low quality of life during or after surviving it.
They often forgo risky surgeries or medicines because they treat them and know what their patients go through and how often these treatments work out. It's not some big conspiracy where these things do actually work, it's just that they know if they get this disease with a high mortality rate, they'd rather forgo the treatment and have a comfortable death. So they don't want life support, or intense medicine or surgeries that will disable them later in life or what ever. They'd rather just take some painkillers and die comfortably because they know the odds.
Cancer is hard to treat because most cancers are different to one another. Some can affect a part of you that you can live without, others will spread out through your whole body at which point there's nothing you can do. We've gotten pretty good at beating cancer when we catch it early, but curing it when you don't is still a gamble.
The fact is that the percentage of doctors who die of cancer is exactly the same as non-medically trained people who they treat. They don't know the answers.
They went to medical school and continually study new research developments, which means their opinion has more validity than literally anyone who hasnt or doesn't.
dubov ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:05:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are both right
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 09:31:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 09:53:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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voggeye ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:19:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs died from cancer, surely because he could not afford his treatment lol. If there would be more reliable and easier ways to cure cancer, don't you think """they""" would offer those to rich people as mentioned above?
mag1xs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:44:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs died of cancer because he chose alternate alternatives like eating better or some shit and didn't listen to his doctor.
voggeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically what the guy above me was advising
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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voggeye ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:48:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer can be cured as many people have proven through their own direct experience. The people in charge of the world of modern medicine have no interest in curing cancer because through drugs and treatment, it is the most profitable industry that has ever existed.
You basically said that "they" (as the modern medicine) are holding back something to make more profit. So you want cancer patients to try alternative ways to cure cancer, like Steve Jobs did. But in the end his unusal approach on curing his cancer did not work out as he died.
So why didn't the greedy modern medicine offer ultra rich people like Steve Jobs the magical cure to cancer to gain even more profit? I mean they could sell it to them for 50 % of their wealth although that would make us "normal" people suspicious.
In the end, nearly all alternative approaches to curing cancer with chemo get debunked. If the solution would be as simple as drinking a shit ton of "Rick Simpson oil" do you think "they" could hide it for several years?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:12:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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voggeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer can be cured as many people have proven through their own direct experience.
You implied it with this sentence.
It can not continue the immense growth as a whole, but you also miss some points.
There are thousands of scientists researching this topic. Their goal is not to maximise profits, so why would they help big pharma?
If one company comes out of the closet with a cure to cancer, they would make more money than the Medellรญn Cartel during its height of power. It's comparable to the prisoner's dilemma, ultimately someone would develope a cure for cancer (IF they have it). But that has not happened so far, so I think there is no cure to cancer, withhold by big pharma
An Insider would have leaked that there is a cure for cancer and the public outrage would be massive if the insider would be right. Why risk everything if you can just make more profit NOW with a cure for cancer?
One good way to distinguish between a conspiracy theory that has atleast some foundation and one that does not is to ask yourself the question: "would the bad effects actually affect the conspirators/elite/higher-ups too?" If the answer to that is "yes", forget it. Example in your case: A lot of influencial people die of cancer (like Steve Jobs)
despaxes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:31:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except jobs died from a treatable cancer. He chose not to get treatment
This isn't true in the slightest there are cures for all kinds of different cancers, go talk to an oncologist for once and they will tell you that.
My mom's boyfriend is chief of oncology at a very large hospital. One time someone mentioned how they wish there was a cure for cancer. His response was literally "we have cures for all kinds of cancers"
Sure, remission and cured are two different things. The thing is there are cancers where the 5-year prognosis is virtually 100%. In those cases, is there a difference between remission and cured?
It's always remission, though some may say "cured." The way cancer works, there is no way to fully, completely cure it. Then again, I could just be splitting hairs as some cancers would go into remission forever while cancer cells still float freely in the body, but then... semantics.
I dont work in oncology, but have a number of cancer patients in palliation or remission and the word cured/curing doesn't come up. Treating and remission are our fluff words here on the West Coast of Canada.
I mean when ever a doctor is talking to a patient here then they'll always say 'remission'. The story I was referring to was when he was talking to my ex's mom.
Of course the word "cure" doesn't come up in patients who are being palliated or in those who are being treated and in remission. Cured patients aren't being treated any more.
A dancer is cured if it doesn't come back in the lifetime of the patient. Is that because all malignant cells have been eliminated? Is it because there are so few left and they are so well regulated by the immune system that they never again form detectable tumours? Who can say in any individual case? But nonetheless cancers are cured all the time. And also, still, incurable cancers occur all the time.
I meant to say patients who I am caring for for things other than the cancer that is in remission and not actively being treated :)
Once cancer is in remission, it's a race against what comes first, death from another source or recurrence of the cancer to see if it's cured rather than in remission. This is all essentially nit picking semantics on my part, though.
I suppose you could be cured for a certain period of time, but if the cancer recurs, was it still considered cured for that period of time or is it strictly remission? Are the words perhaps fluid in the context of cancer?
That only means that they don't treat themselves with some insider knowledge that gives them better odds, not that they don't know what they are doing. The percent of treated people is higher than non-treated/"alternative" treated. That is the important part.
It is funny how treatments like this are always supported by random anecdotal stories, but when quality double blind, placebo controlled studies are done, there is little or no effect. But it is Big Pharma, never mind that these studies are done all over the world, by completely different scientific teams, from completely different and varied funding sources; from independent charities to governments.
It couldn't possibly be that the basic biological properties of cancer lead to the difficulty in curing it. No, can't be that. It is all a conspiracy.
despaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have no way to definitively tell since clinical trials are vastly prohibited. What little studies that have been done show it does.
Literally doing nothing but changing your diet and habits has a better success rate than chemo so I don't feel like the bar is really set very high for something to be said it works
sioux612 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:40:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is not the first person to claim that
Tommy Chong claims he cured his prostate cancer by smoking and eating shit loads of weed + weed oil suppositories
Did he invent the first perpetual motion engine for vehicles, too? JK tho that is crazy, but maybe the placebo effect is way better than we give it credit for or something
you do know that some studies have shown some correlation between some specific cannabinoids and a positive effect on some specific cancers
FTFY
edit: formatting. Also, totes pro-MJ and federal legalization. But if we don't represent the facts truthfully, it's just more fodder for the anti-weed people
Kingimg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:05:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i agree, It bothers me when people try to paint marijuana as a miracle drug that cures everything. im pro mj but nah it doesnt CURE cancer. It may help in some way, it gives you an appetite and it may soothe pain
I have an uncle that did the same thing, he had testicular cancer and started taking oil too. Few months went by and same thing, it cured him. I firmly believe that stuff is illegal because it's the cure to cancer.
TheBames ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:50:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm sure this is going to be buried but I am 99% sure I cured my cancer with Marijuana. I was diagnosed with langerhans cell histiocytosis (LCH) 2 years ago with a tumor in my shoulder blade (in the bone ). I had surgery to drill my bone out and a biopsy taken. After the biopsy my doctor just wanted to wait a little bit to see if it grew or stayed the same. (Everyone has different symptoms and no one case is the same) I smoked weed every day all day since I was out of work due to the surgery. 3 months later my mri showed that it actually shrunk much to the surprise of my doctors and my blood tests showed no sign that I was even sick anymore. Everytime I went back it kept getting smaller and smaller and now it's like it never happened. For real, smoke weed everyday, it saves lives.
This is purely anecdotal, you may have gotten lucky and your cancer may have just gone into remission. Odds are it's just a coincidence.
TheBames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've done extensive research on my disease and it never goes away. I will have it forever no matter if I am in remission or not. I like to think that it's because I smoked bud and not because it just decided to stop. It was never removed and I was never given any treatment that would have done this.
Well, I mean the problem is you are one case out of the thousands of people. There's a possibility that it helped you, but you never know. It would have to be studied before people should accept the results.
TheBames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, and I wish it were legal so that we could do these studies, I would sign up in a heartbeat.
No argument here. I have nothing against weed or weed smokers. I just don't believe there is enough evidence to support it yet. If someone wants to smoke weed while going along with what their doctor thinks is best, I'm all for it. However, even if weed did help you it may not help someone else.
Congrats on beating it, but why do you attribute the cancer death to the weed? Like you said yourself "everyone has different symptoms and no one case is the same", so isn't it more likely that it simply died on its own after the biopsy?
Sure, it could've been the weed, but that someone can be 99 % certain of something with so little evidence is scary.
TheBames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only because that's the only thing I used to medicate myself. All the doctors were shocked because they usually don't do that
It makes me wonder, since stress is a known underlying factor to many illnesses, does smoking weed have an effect on reducing illness due to it's "mellowing" effect on a person. Stress causes higher cortisol levels in the body, which can lead to lots of problems. If the stress is reduced (via smoking), does that reduce the cortisol and other stress-induced harmful hormones?
Ok I'm sure this is going to be buried but I am 99% sure I cured my cancer with Marijuana.
How sure you are that you cured your cancer with marijuana is a question that can be answered with statistics, and with only one data point the answer is very unlikely to be 99%. There is a lot of science out there about the role of marijuana in cancer (though probably more to do with symptom relief than cure). You could get on google scholar and have a look at it and get an answer to the question of whether or not marijuana might have cured your cancer.
Sulfate ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had surgery to drill my bone out and a biopsy taken.
So, you received medical treatment and got better, yet attribute it to the weed?
... Okay.
For real, smoke weed everyday, it saves lives.
Oh good lord. Seek medical treatment for medical problems like a grownup, people.
I'm not sure a biopsy counts as medical treatment and by drilling the bone out he means to get the sample of bone they wanted to see what was going on in there I think.
I would say seek medical advice for your issues as well, but if you don't want chemo and want to try something else, feel free to try whatever you want. Also smoke weed everyday because I enjoy doing so, not because I think it'll save my life.
Sulfate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also smoke weed everyday because I enjoy doing so, not because I think it'll save my life.
but you said
For real, smoke weed everyday, it saves lives.
kk
if you don't want chemo and want to try something else, feel free to try whatever you want.
That's a good way to end up dead when you don't need to.
I know people who have gone through chemo, I have seen them suffer. But they've definitely come out on the better side from my experience - they're still here, and happy. I'd choose chemo, I'd also smoke much more CBD.
If you don't want to suffer, choose the potential placebo, why not? It's your own life. That doesn't make someone goofy, and neither does my opinion.
Sulfate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:49 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you don't want chemo and want to try something else, feel free to try whatever you want.
Why not try shaking totems at the sky, invoking the moon god to come cure your cancer? I've known people that have chosen no treatment, but treatment with no basis in reality? It absolutely makes someone goofy.
If you're going to use pot for the very limited benefits it can provide, then rock out. If you, like the guy I thought you were, are under the impression that it "saves lives," then you're goofy in that sense too.
I'm so sorry to hear this. We lost my little brother to leukemia at 16 and my dad had colon cancer treated earlier. It's such a piece of shit chemical.
I'm gonna think good thoughts for you and your dad all day ๐
Some cannabinoids have been proven slow the growth of cancer and/or kill cancer cells altogether. I've never heard of anyone beating cancer with nothing but CBD oil but I suppose it's theoretically possible.
All anecdotal evidence. I support the use of weed for medical use as a pain killer, appetite inducer, and seizures, but don't act like it's some magical plant that cures cancer and other major diseases. That's just a bunch of holistic bullshit that has zero sound evidence to back it up.
Agreed. A whole lot of confirmation bias goin on here. Can we get a control group for this? How many people have died using the stuff vs those that have been "cured" by it?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:33:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my friends mum was like that.
when she was diagnosed with breast cancer she didnt do ANY conventional medicine, despite her family pleading with her.
nope. instead she went to some woman who walked her through a door frame covered in magnets and fed her a bunch of vegetables and convinced her she was free of cancer. she died from the cancer spreading within a year of diagnosis.
she probably would have lived if she just got her tit lopped off and did the chemo.
In early high school I babysat for a family in which the mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. She didn't do the conventional treatment at first, and unfortunately turned to chemo much too late. She lived for quite awhile, but eventually succumbed to the disease. Very sad for her family.
Although I agree with your main point here, I don't like it when people disparage "holistic" just because some quacks misuse the term. Holistic just means considering every part of the whole. A holistic approach to cancer treatment doesn't mean forgoing a medical regimen, it means paying attention to diet, exercise, etc. as well as using medicine - a holistic approach wouldn't REPLACE chemo with marijuana, it would ADD marijuana. A holistic approach to depression would include physical exercise, therapy, medication, dietary changes, and possibly other things like couples counseling or career changes, if those would help.
Good info. What is a better term to use then that people would understand to mean the quack version of hollistic? I feel like you gave the exact definition of it, but in general terms most people equate hollistic in context I was using it.
I think your point is pretty well conveyed with just "bullshit" but you could call it new-age bullshit or snake-oil bullshit or alternative medicine bullshit if you want to have similar connotations.
CND_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:38 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The words you were looking for was "homeopathy" or "alternative medicine"
It's illegal to academically research and you need non government research done to get legitimate answers and that's never going to happen. Lack of evidence doesn't make it not true as much as visa versa.
I want detailed academic publications ranging from philosophy to chemical structure I would like to see a lot more things like FTIR etc being used and published which you would see in European American and British academic work a lot over the last decade but very little accessible publicly.
hicow ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:35:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not strictly illegal, but you have to use government-grown weed for research. And government grown weed is the sort that, if you sent your buddy out to pick you up a quarter and that's what he brought back, you'd beat his ass for either being rock-fuck stupid or ripping you off.
That is to say, there aren't studies being done with the weed people actually smoke/eat/whatever. Studies are done with brown crap that's 5% THC, when the medical/recreational markets produce weed with THC ranging from 10% to 30% for flower, up to 65%+ for concentrates.
Kingimg ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god your a shitty friend
sporket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:14 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought people nowadays were getting a lot more scientifically aware, I guess not, people just believe the front page of whatever's on social media or Reddit without thinking twice.
so you're saying all the anecdotal evidence of people claiming to be cured is all bullshit, they're all just lying? so these people either faked having a horrible disease with family and everything and never had it or they did and somehow sneaked the actual cure while their family didn't know?
No, he's saying there needs to be more testing done on if it really is a magical plant. Just because I can eat junk food all day and manage to stay slim with a what I would consider fit body does not mean my diet is healthy. Just like, smoking weed curing cancer for one person will not mean it will do it for every person who has cancer.
That's not how evidence works. Some people just get better without any treatment. You never hear from the people who died while taking alternative medical treatments because they're fucking dead!
I'm not saying their lying. I beleieve they think marijuana cured them. However, I doubt the validity that it cured them. We need more research into the medicinal qualities of marijuana which would require the US government to pull their heads out of their asses. There are things we already know it helps, and those results are pretty amazing. However, anyone claiming it is some sort of magical healing plant that cures a wide assortment of ailments is peddling snake oil. There is no proof. I'm not doubting that it could help with other health issues we don't know about yet, but let's not push something without documented trials and results. People could turn to it instead of sound medicine/doctor supervision and end up dead because of it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:00:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
more research into the medicinal qualities of marijuana
There actually has been plenty of research. And while it sure has positive impacts as a pain reliever it has NO positive impact as treatment for cancer.
well it's definitely worth trying for people who are not getting the needed results with conventional treatments, which often times do not heal or help the patient either.
I think something that is forgotten is that THC is a psychedelic, and the one common theme about psychedelics is that pretty much no one actually knows how they work. We know a little, but they are simply too complicated to understand yet. It is quite possible that such a large and unpredictable molecule has some weird effects. However, there also isn't anything saying it didn't originally come from the moon so you should take that with a grain of salt.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may have been coincidence, or actually worked for him; but thinking weed will cure cancer as good as chemotherapy, or even at all for most people, is absolute bullshit pseudoscience. There was this guy on Reddit who had cancer, but denied treatment due to feeling depressed and tried out weed/alternative treatments, wouldn't be surprised if he's dead now.
Sulfate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of people believe in magic until it's too late.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what you mean, "magic" as in weed? Because that's basically what I'm saying
Sulfate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Believing that weed can cure cancer is the same thing as believing that fruit can. Most "alternative treatments" are identical to believing in the curative properties of magic. Even the most hardened believers come around eventually, but it's often too late for medicine to do much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While i am glad that your father is ok now it was proven numerous times that weed has no positive impact as cancer treatment. At all!
BC1224 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cannabis as a cure for cancer, and a vast number of other ailments, shouldn't be a conspiracy theory. Fuck Big Pharma for not waiting to put out cures because cures don't create repeat customers. Fuck the profit incentive for keeping a harmless plant that could benefit millions illegal due to a long history of racism, sexism, and general ignorance.
Cannibis is not a cure for cancer and this advice (as of right now) is just wrong, pseudoscience, and possibly deadly. Studies have found it is safe in treating cancer, but it does not help control or cure the disease.
Cancer is a blanket word for a whole lot of diseases. There are over 100 types of cancer. Everyone of them have slightly different treatments depending on the cancer and the person. You cannot seriously say that cannibis is the key to everyone of them for every person.
Marijuana can be helpful to cancer patients as it helps with pain and nausea that is true. Some scientists found THC and CBD slow growth/kill certain cancer cells in lab dishes.
People are not lab dishes. While promising and hopeful for the future, the idea that there is this big pharma conspiracy where they don't actually cure people is just plain wrong. Pharma has a lot of problems, but making medicine that help people isn't one of them.
2gig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:37:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there hard evidence that this memo was actually from the DNC? I could've thrown this together in 20 minutes, not that I expect a memo to have high production values.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That has typos in it, how can it be real?
Wait this was a email to the DNC not from them, this was another group's suggestion for a plan of attack. On top of that this is among the group of emails leaked where it is believed some have been doctored.
It's honestly astonishing how badly the left has completely fucked up. Well, no, that part isn't astonishing, what's astonishing is how they refuse to learn anything from it, refuse to change anything, and are just doubling-down on it.
Take the Neo Nazis for example. Pretty awful people but in most contexts, they're irrelevant. Same with the KKK. The KKK hasn't been a serious threat for like forty years.
So when you look into the things these people say to justify themselves, they believe white people are becoming powerless victims, they feel marginalized and ignored, and they feel that a huge chunk of the country literally doesn't care about them because they're white. Black people are allowed to have a black identity, Asians are allowed to have an Asian identity, but white people aren't allowed to have a white identity. A ton of these people are blue-collar workers without college degrees, and all they see is more than half the country derisively calls their homes "flyover states" implying they are irrelevant while pretending transgender issues are literally the most important issue in the country. Oh except recently. Now the most important issue is that there's a statue in a state that they don't live in that bothers them.
So the left's response is to try harder to marginalize them, and all it's going to do is convince more people to become Nazis. I mean, it doesn't help that they've literally been calling everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders a Nazi since 2010.
The left relies entirely on an "us vs them" mentality. Agree with us or you're a misogynistic, racist, transphobic nazi. This works when there's more "us" than "them". However in the election, they completely lost the plot by forcing every white, straight person into the "them" group, with the 'all white people are racist' etc...
So now the "them" has more voters and therefore wins the election. And yep they won't learn because their ideology doesn't allow them to admit they are wrong, its just everyone else's internalized misogyny/racism.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:22:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't part of the CIA when Kennedy was killed (yeah right.)
His father was part of the Business Plot... a planned military coup against FDR in 1933.
Roughly 30 years later, this dude's oil rigs are used by the CIA as staging points for the Bay of Pigs invasion... conveniently named Operation Zapata. What was H. W. Bush's oil company again? Oh that's right, Zapata Oil.
A November 29, 1963, memorandum from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to the Director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the Department of State refers to the fact that information on the assassination of President Kennedy was "orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency."
The CIA claims that was a different George Bush... however, research has been done that implies the only Bush at the time on payroll was a janitor at Langley. I think with the Zapata connection it's quite clear who it was.
A few years later, he's named Director of the CIA. He runs for President against Reagan and is forced on Reagan at the convention to avoid a party fracture.
Watch the Reagan shooting... why is the Secret Service not in a diamond formation around him? They leave him completely exposed to the crowd in front of him (contrary to their training before and after.) Reagan is so untrusting of the Secret Service that he orders Navy MPs from the docked Aircraft Carrier to replace his Secret Service detail while in the hospital.
Following the shooting, much of Reagan's agenda has sudden shifts... the Iran Contra things go down, etc. The folks surrounding Bush are elevated in the administration and proceed to have massive roles in government for the next 30 years.
Now, if it was known in 1973, Obama's father helped plot a military coup against Jimmy Carter, do you think he would have gotten a single vote to be a senator much less as President... yet here we have witnessed one family spend close to 100 years steering the secret and public face of the US Government and had Jeb not been such a horrible slob (Please Clap...) potentially another 8 years of control to that one family.
It sounds crazy - unless you realize that the puppet masters aren't who you're voting for.
alex3omg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:42:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So..... Where does 9/11 come in?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:55:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't "come in" because it never left. neverforget/s
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:42:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bushes son dining with the shooters brother? Well I bet kevin bacon was in there somewhere too, maybe the shooter's cousin's dog's hairdresser?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:32:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I admit it was true, just that the coincidence isn't really an unlikely thing. I was referencing Bacon numbers, really you are going for 3 levels of relation between them is ridiculous. Do you know how many important or influential people are within 3 levels of relation to you?
I thought it was so strange he brought up "Art of the Deal" during the election (Republican debate?). I mean, that book is 30 years old and I had never heard of it. But mentioning it brought so much exposure (and sales, I'm sure).
Russia didn't "hack" the election, of course. No one claims they hacked voting machines.
What we do have a lot of credible evidence of is that they hacked the RNC and DNC servers.
And only one was released as a dump to wikileaks...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real question is if they doctored the emails though. if they didn't they honestly did everyone a service. Of course either way if Trump knew about or colluded with the Russians to get that done we are going to have a gayshocker for a president.
We don't know what the RNC had in their servers though. The fact that we didn't know what they knew or were up to means that we don't know for sure if they did us a "service" or not.
It'd be like two people running for mayor, and then its revealed by an oustide force one is an alcoholic. I mean shit, we wanna know that right? But what if they knew, and selectively shielded from us, that the other candidate is an unrepentant pedophile and criminal mastermind. And so the alcoholic loses but the pedophile king pin wins.
The entire intelligence community of our country disagrees with you. Many within the Republican party itself disagree with you, though most still insist that Trump's campaign had nothing to do with it. No evidence so far has contradicted that, and mounting evidence has confirmed it. Mueller's investigation marches forward without any pomp or fanfare because he actually has the respect and loyalty of the people he's brought on board, and so we're not barraged with a constant stream of leaks about the investigation.
If you used the word "hack" specifically to deny that Russia had actually modified votes, that's another matter. There are indications that they at least attempted to access voting systems (per a leaked NSA document outlining the GRU's attempts to breach the networks of various companies and organizations dealing with election hardware, software, and administration), though there's no indication of how successful they were or what they may have done with any information they might have gained.
If you're saying that these claims are part of a Deep State conspiracy to discredit Donald Trump, then there's literally nothing I can say to convince you.
The entire intelligence community of our country disagrees with you.
Actually, no. The AP, Reuters, etc. all back pedaled on that and issued retractions about the 17 agencies thing... at 4:59PM on the Friday before the July 4th holiday weekend. I'm not surprised you didn't see it.
I'm well aware of that retraction. Only 4 agencies officially signed off on the assessment: The FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the ODNI. This is relevant because those are the primary agencies that would actually be involved in investigating and evaluating the sort of thing we're discussing. The other 13 agencies did not comment, but neither did they say anything to contradict that assessment. Most of them wouldn't have any reason to be involved in assessing that sort of threat because they deal with internal intelligence, or with other unrelated areas.
(For the curious, because I had to look it up to remind myself what other intelligence agencies we have, the remaining 13 are: Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, and Navy Intelligence)
tydalt ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:49:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Cool! Can I see the proof you have of that? I'm sure you would be pretty famous if you happened to have it on ya and ponied it up for us wondering...
tydalt ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:51:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're not in a courtroom.... put up or shut up as they say...
Piratian ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:20:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, show the fucking proof that Russia hacked the election, or shut the fuck up already. They have literally found nothing and they've been going over everything with a fine toothed comb for 9 months already. If they had found ANYTHING it would be front page news instead of anonymous sources for days.
tydalt ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:28:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't make any claims so I have no obligation to provide anything...
I just asked for whatever proof ya had to your claim.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tydalt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF are you talking about? I didn't set any goalposts and certainly am not planning on moving any (I have a bad back anyway...)
But, whatever... peruse one of these see what you find.
Not gonna argue with ya'll. You win... have a spiffy day.
Man, I had a whole post written out in response to that guy only to find that the comment had been deleted when I tried to post it. They seem to have posted the same article elsewhere though, so I went ahead and replied over there. For general information:
As for the original report it references, it relies almost entirely on the claim that it's ridiculous to believe that an organization like the DNC could have a connection fast enough to upload the stolen data as quickly as they appear to have. Based on the size of the leaked data, and the "Last Modified" metadata, they concluded that 1,976 MegaBytes of data were transferred in 87 seconds. That's an upload speed of around 22.7 MB/s (or 181.7 Mb/s, lowercase b).
They conclude that this means that the data can't have been stolen remotely, but was copied onto a USB flash drive instead, indicating that it was leaked by someone who worked at the DNC.
Accepting this conclusion requires that you assume:
That the files were never copied to another device again after being taken from the DNC, thus preserving the "Last Modified" data from the original theft.
That it's not possible the DNC network could have had an upload speed in excess of 181.7 Mb/s in mid 2016. This would be quite fast for a home internet connection (in large part since they tend not to be symmetric, with much slower upload speeds than download speeds), but not remarkable for a corporate network.
There. Goalposts firmly unmoved. Their assessment is ridiculous.
Balony1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:12:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did they hack the elections? Please do tell.
Pompsy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:48:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The argument (from my understanding) isn't that Russia hacked the physical voting booths, but instead exerted undue influence with the hacking of DNC computers and the spread of viral propaganda on the internet.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
exerted undue influence with the hacking of DNC computers
They hacked who? Specifics
spread of viral propaganda on the internet
So memes...
Honestly feel bad for people that believe this shit
He...he literally just told you. The DNC, the Democratic National Committee. Their servers.
Was this irl zoolander?
"They hacked the DNC servers Derek."
"Yes, but hacked who?"
"Are you serious? I just told you."
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OKAY
What did they do in this hack? How did they swing the US election? Do we know this hack is from Russia? Its very difficult to actually source where an attack came from.
Are people who don't understand cyber-security constantly talking about the situation with confidence on national television? I can answer this one. YES.
Dude I'm not going to walk you through something that has been reported on endlessly for almost a year.
Pay attention.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:25 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting to the point, these little details seldom help the big picture story. The whole "Russia Hacked US Elections" narrative is becoming more obscure the deeper one dives into the story. A whole team carefully crafted this plot so you would watch this every-night. Nevermind the fact that this info is almost completely useless to you once you're done analyzing it.
16 prosecutors, 2 resignations, a firing, a recusal, a meeting about "damaging info about hillary clinton", the CIA NSA and FBI agreeing the DNC was hacked by Russia, firing Jim Comey, 2 grand juries, financial records subpoenaed, lies on security clearance forms, consistent ties to Russian oligarchs gangsters and Kremlin associates, an NY state RICO investigation, and congressional subpoenas left and right.
It's all just fabricated by the media because you say so. You've convinced me.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its played up for sure, and if you don't see that you need help son.
a meeting about "damaging info about hillary clinton"
Hint: all political campaigns try to do this. Isn't it a service to the people that this got out?
Its played up for sure, and if you don't see that you need help son.
Read my above post again. They're all objective facts. If your response is the one you just gave, well, don't be surprised when no one is persuaded by a total non-rebuttal.
You are delusional at worst, and woefully uniformed at best, my son.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:09 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well lets see another fact
He hasn't been taken to trial because there is nothing to prove him guilty of any wrongdoing. So all this is just words with no action behind them, literally the equal of highschool gossip. This is like TMZ. After more than 8 months added up to, nothing. Nothing will come of this it is a complete waste of time.That's all you need to know, boy.
He hasn't been taken to trial because there is nothing to prove him guilty of any wrongdoing.
Lmao, oh my god. Do you have any idea how criminal investigations work? Let me guess. No.
Here's a hint: they are completed and the person is cleared or he goes to trial.
Has he been cleared by Mueller? No? Or is Mueller continuing to issue subpoenas and grand juries.
Hmm....
Must be nothing there! Lmao.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:03 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you thing Mueller is going to pull more info out his ass? Why do you think he's holding it? He is going to wait for more info because there isn't any solid evidence.
Dipshit, do you know how prosecutors operate? Or attorneys in general?
We don't know what Mueller has because he's not a fucking retard. You don't leak criminal evidence to the public in advance of a trial.
You're legit stupid as fuck. I'm sorry, but that's what I've gathered from these exchanges.
What did you go to college for? Did you even?
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there was something good it would have leaked a long time ago dipfagshitstupidass ;)
The real reason this narrative is even working is because people simply cannot accept the fact that Trump won the election, that's it. This serves as a mental escape for people.
What did you go to college for? Did you even?
Computer Science, don't see how that's relevant tho.
Nope, that's not how competent federal prosecutors work. A leak of their investigation from the inside would be malpractice and criminal. The leaks we have came from other sources or when they filed legal documents (which are public record).
You will know everything they have when the investigation is concluded, and not sooner. The favt that it continues after a year is not evidence that nothing is there, only someone with absolutely no knowledge of how prosecutorial investigations work would think that.
BTW, your education is not relevant. Thanks for recognizing that.
I'm an attorney though, so I actually understand how the fuck this works.
How about I never presume to understand how the fuck the thing I'm typing on works, and you stop pulling dipshit nonsense regarding criminal investigational procedure out of your ass. Deal?
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:06 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive been told to be wary of lawyers so I'm not signing anything. Time will tell anyway.
I've responded to this in more detail elsewhere in the comment thread: link.
To add, I never said they hacked the election. The specific allegations are that they employed considerable propaganda efforts to damage Clinton's campaign and bolster Trump's, which did include hacking, but as a means of gathering information rather than directly manipulating votes (so far as we know).
Balony1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, im not wasting another minute on this bs. Just news companies making more money than ever.
It's honestly not even worth it man. Anyone who completely discounts the entire field of journalism probably isn'y worth engaging with.
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:08 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
discounts the entire field of journalism
Never said that, historically journalism has done a lot of good for us. Now evidently it is commercialized and polarized bs. Its blatantly evident that these people have ties to certain parties. Its less like the news every year and more like ESPN. Honestly I don't even judge them, its in a companies best interest to do what makes the most money. I just feel bad for the fools who watch and think they are getting the facts.
historically journalism has done a lot of good for us.
Read more history.
Journalist aren't perfect. Absolutely they have agendas, both political and monetary.
But to discount the field is silly. You didn't say it but you've implied it in both posts.
Honestly man, I hope you guys wake up from this and realize the "fake news" shit is literally 100% political and meant to dupe you into buying the admin line above all else.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
historically journalism has done a lot of good for us.
Read more history.
Dude it has helped expose plenty of shady practices, what are you on about?
Yeah there have been scandals but that is nothing compared to today where a megacorp is saying "We need constant stories on this, don't stop we need this covered from this angle because its paying the most" its a literal gold rush for all media companies to go after these types of stories. Every small thing is now breaking news. It brings to light that we need something to keep media companies accountable, accountable to the facts, and accountable to the narrative that they are spreading. If someone is making news in order to make a buck as their bottom line and not find the truth then it is an inherently flawed system. Its only now that we have this guy up there in the limelight that we see the problem, some people still don't which I find amazing.
Yes, the press got the most powerful man in the world impeached due to their journalism of a scandal involving impropriaties surrounding election efforts. And no one disagrees, Republican, democrat, or otherwise, that it was 100% accurate reporting.
Because they exposed it to the American public and it was all true in the end.
That's why i love the press. It doesn't matter if you're a Russian cunt aristocrat, or a corrupt piece of shit American. They don't care, they fuck them all the same :)
God, i fucking love when people are exposed ;)
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only people dishonest press fuck over is the people of America
Yeah totally, because you said it isn't so, it isn't so!
Hey, dipshit, the watergate investigation took 2 years. The allegations of the break in were not reported untill a year and a half after it happened.
Open a fucking history book. Jesus christ.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:38 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah 2 years with hard evidence of people caught breaking in, this shit(Even if it is true, lets just go there for a sec) is going to take even longer to gain any significant ground on. SO why are you so sure of yourself, just because the news outlets tell you?
Lmao, dude, the break in was not reported to the public until a year and a half after it occurred.
Are you really unable to read?
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, what did they say? They likely said some small thing like "Oh Russia is spying on us" (no shit you think they would just stop after the cold war?) and the media just blew it up because that's what pays.
There's the report. Note that, as the header of each page says, this is a declassified version that omits details that are still classified, but the conclusions are the same. Please try to read it with a critical but unbiased mindset.
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Delision ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump never ran previously. He was seriously considering it for the 2012 election, but because he would have to leave The Apprentice if he ran, he decided not to.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC knew they could manipulate opinion with Trump easily, that's why they wanted him so badly.
The DNC wanted Trump, badly - in part because they were afraid that the other "alternative" candidates in the GOP, in particular Rand Paul, would do too well with POC.
Rand Paul - What to undermine: the idea he is a โdifferentโ kind of Republican; his stance on the military and his
appeal to millennials and communities of color.
But somehow that isn't racist as all fuck.
I honestly think that Rand has a shot in 2020 if he's willing to take it.
Did better with latinos, blacks, muslims, and gays.
Find something new to circlejerk over.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:10:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank you. good lord thank you brother. this sites circlejerk over the president is fucking sad. they get all their fucking news from cnn and salon. its fucking pathetic
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 03:12:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 03:39:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That article is about Trump doing better with blacks and Hispanics compared to Romney's campaign in 2012, moron. Did you even read it ? Let me guess you did a 5 second internet search, scanned the headline and posted it without reading it. Lmao some expert you are. Were talking about which segment of the population voted the most for Trump. Which was way more poor white trash working class people than blacks or Hispanics. Forget about Romney, the fact of the matter is way more racist white trash voted for Trump in his 2016 campaign than blacks and Hispanics, COMBINED.. You're a loser and an idiot haha
Tjolerie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:10:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're being inflammatory and taking this waaay too personally
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 04:21:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I knew you'd say something like that. Funny the other loser said something similar and deleted his comment. Why? Cuz Fake news spreaders always resort to childish insults when they get proven wrong. Hell Enjoy being embarrassed publicly for being wrong for all the world to see, loser haaha. As for my comment: literally it's just addressing his incorrect points and correcting them, it's a reasoned critical evaluation with some fun insults thrown in, enjoy
I truly believe the media created Trump. Not consciously or on purpose, of course. But every backlash against him and corresponding response only made Trump bigger and gave him more fuel.
It generated much of the attention Trump needed to win while also creating itself as the enemy to unite against (because of how much bias occurs when corporate greed tries to cater to certain views/agendas above actual journalism). Essentially, it served dual roles as both Trump's mouthpiece and his scapegoat enemy.
Kinda sad, really.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:19:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're spreading fake news
tydalt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:51:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right... he's probably a "cuck" too right?
Head back over to T_D... they miss you over there...
Edit: Well THAT was embarassing... not the first time I was stupid and wrong, most certainly won't be the last.
He used the extreme right views on Muslims and immigrants to start gaining ground. Once he got the extremists and jumped up the polls the more moderate started to back him. Them the ones who follow blindly were like "yup ok he good." And finally all the opposers in the republican party just did what they were told and didn't want to be viewed as the worse possible thing in their minds A "Hilary supporting liberal"
I would totally believe the idea was to use the campaign trail as a type of seed money for his own news network. He'd go onstage at rallies and be outrageous, then yell fake news when called on the carpet for it. When the untrustable mainstream media finally cost him the presidency (to a mostly unlikable opponent no less), he would "solve" that problem by launching trump news corp.
It could just as easily be that a 70 year old man was tired when they finally announced the winner, but it was hard not to feel the look was more "well shit now what" than fatigue.
[deleted] ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 20:58:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lawyer I worked for decades ago used to say the best way to build a firm's client base was to run for public office. It didn't matter if you won or lost, your name and profession got publicized.
skylarmt ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:48:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the opposition digs up some dirt and people start calling it something-gate. Then you're done for.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:46:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I promise you most private law firms would still love to have Richard Nixon on their team after 1974. Dan Quayle has a sweet CEO gig and all he had to do was nothing for four years.
HEY. Dan Quayle didn't do nothing. He brought joy to the hearts of millions with his snappy one liners such as, "I want to be Robin to Bush's Batman," and, "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix!"
Not to mention his unfiltered statements of truth. For example, who else would dare to state that, "For NASA, space is still a high priority?" Or to say, with no regard for his reputation that, "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:14:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are these available on vinyl?
idwthis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:42:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is, campaigns are so expensive... You'd have to have a pretty big reputation and connections to get the party to dump a lot of money in you, otherwise you'll be needing to raise a lot of dough.
If you already have so much recognition and money, why bother building a client with an abortive campaign?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't think he meant a state seat or something, more like local government, municipal level for a small suburb or town, etc. Also, I don't think the attempt for the seat was in vain, more of a "even if you lose you win" kind of idea.
I just spent ten minutes trying to find the exact spot, but Ben Shapiro was on Joe Rogan's podcast and said he knew everyone on that team and it was a complete surprise.
I dont know why they would find it a complete surprise. Me and some other people I know thought he had a good chance of winning.
BrettG10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:04 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I appreciate it!
I thought his staff thought his odds were better than anticipated after he started visiting Minnesota in the final weeks of the campaign - looks like I was wrong.
I believe this. Not because I think he was joking the whole time (that's fucking ridiculous in my opinion - running for president is too difficult to just meme about) but because every (arguably biased) projection, news source, and person thought that Hillary was going to win for sure. I wanted him to win and I was shocked as hell. I had come to terms with his loss long before the election, and whadda ya know!
Eshin242 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my theory. He was supposed to lose. Just barely, enough to where he could make a stink. The GOP would bog Hillary down for the next two years, 2018 would roll around and there would be even more GOP seats in the house and perhaps the senate. (Because seriously the GOP hates Hillary and they'll do it.) Then in 2020 (barring any sort of miracle) Hillary would be a one term president, the GOP would have a full house and Senate, Gerrymandering would lock down even more districts and you'd really start to see the shit fly. The only saving grace would have been the supreme court but there is only so much they can do.
Except trump got elected, and now it is all up in the air.
Sambam18 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:42:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the media that came up with the term "fake news"...
Why do people feel the need to rewrite history?
Edit: thanks to whoever down voted me for proving my point
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:38:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's right. Immediately following the election the term was being used by mainstream outlets to describe twitter bots, Facebook shits posts, etc. that helped sway a lot of public opinion toward Trump. I remember very distinctly being struck by how in less than 2 days, "fake news" had gone from a term I had never heard used to one that every outlet, coworker, and family member was using as though it had always been a well-known concept.
Very quickly, though, Trump decided that he would turn the phrase back on them and given his propensity for repeating things, it has now come to be a derogatory term for factual news that you don't agree with rather than its original meaning of factually inaccurate reports intended to manipulate/disinform (e.g. reports of terror attacks that never happened that (not-so-subtly) pushed anti-immigrant or pro-gun agendas).
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:47:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's humorous because I remember reading all the "What do we do about the fake news problem?" articles the week after the election, and my first thought was "any tool you create to censor fake news will just be used against you," and here we are.
Also NO ONE gave a shit about fake news when they thought Hillary had it in the bag. It only popped up because of the post election liberal meltdown when everyone was looking for someone to blame.
lol the downvoters probably think I'm a trump supporter.
Well it's only one indicator, but if you look at Google trends for "Fake News," it goes from basically non-existent to lots of usage right after the election. It's even more striking when you look at the trend over a 5 year period.
As far as how the phrase was being used immediately after the election, if you search news article for the term "Fake News" for a week or so after the election, you get lots of articles about Facebook and Google trying to figure out how to weed out Fake News and pieces about how individuals can learn to identify fake news. Not long after though, it becomes nothing but Trump calling everyone but Fox and Breitbart fake news.
Piratian ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it could be it's used on the various "news" sites like CNN, Fox, and NBC that all led a massive smear campaign on him and to this day still continue to lie through their teeth about everything Trump has ever done and make him out to be evil.
That may have been the case for a short time after the election when mainstream outlets were trying to find a scapegoat for the election outcome, but now the only time you'll hear them mention fake news is in the context of Trump using the term to insult or knock their credibility.
That said, I disagree that MSM usage of "fake news" was based on falsehoods. It certainly was an attack on Trump's legitimacy, but I think their motivation was more more to point to a reason that the establishment candidate lost despite being predicted to win by the mainstream sources. They were trying to cover their asses for bad journalism by pointing to worse journalism.
That was also the early stages of the Russian interference coverage. It has now become largely about Russian ties to campaign personnel, but early on it had more to do with American public opinion being pushed in Trump's direction by Russian social media efforts (including fake news).
Sambam18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You claimed that trump made the term "fake news", he didn't
Moorkain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you're responding to the wrong person.
Sambam18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dubs0 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:35:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the original plan was for him to drop out and endorse Chris Christie, but Trump became more popular and they switched roles. Now Trump is in the Oval Office and Christie is getting into verbal altercations with fans at baseball games and being heckled on NY sports radio.
Definitely not. Trump has been testing the waters for years and finally saw his opportunity to pounce on an election. He was in it to win it from the beginning.
I don't believe that he won the election so much as Hillary lost the election. Had the democrats gone with a remotely likeable candidate, Trump wouldn't have won.
I originally thought he was convinced by Hillary or other democrats to run so it would theoretically make it easier for her to win because many people didn't/don't like her, but instead of people being turned off by his attitude and history too many people thought he was the lesser of two evils.
I honestly thought he ran just because he knew he could and didn't really think he had any chance of winning and knew he wasn't fit for the job, but as he starting winning he couldn't stop because he's too stubborn and has to much of an ego to quit.
My guess is that a perfect situation in his world would be to win the popular vote but lose the election. That way he and his supporters could rant and rave that he's the "true" winner and president and the corrupt system kept him from power (just as he was predicting), but he wouldn't actually have to get stuck with the job. He would then be able to use that reasoning to get Trump News (or whatever the fuck he would call it) off the ground.
cjosu13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best explanation I've seen yet
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he didn't want to win as much as for someone else to lose.
To be honest if I had the money and fame to just run and then started to actually have a chance to win I'd go for it just to be able to say I did it and to see what it's like. I kinda don't blame him on that accord. As for everything else...
Penn Jillette -- who shares the same agent as Donald -- has gone on record as saying that he's got it on good authority that Trump essentially ran for President so that he could command a higher salary for continuing to do "The Apprentice." It was only until just after the debates that it became clear he could actually win the thing.
I truly can't wait until his term is over. Setting aside what he actually does in the White House, I just want to hear what he says about the job and how he felt before he was elected. Because I feel like he's going to be much more honest about his motives after he's not in office anymore.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is about conspiracy theories and rumors. I think you want the "What FACT are you certain is true, why?" thread.
dudius7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:54:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some good theories that it was to get ratings for The Apprentice and when he got in too deep, his ego and promises meant he couldn't back out.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:55:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching the debates was fucking painful. I thought they were both abysmal, but Trump was at least picking up support from the 'thank god someone is calling politicians on bullshit' support while Hillary was just largely making herself look awful.
I'm as anti-Trump as they get but I'll be the first to say Hillary was a godawful candidate. I'm not about Bernie either but I think he would've steamrolled Trump.
Your post is a truly wonderful example of how two people can watch one thing and yet watch an entirely different situation. I thought she publicly eviscerated him. I don't remember him "calling politicians on their bullshit", I remember "No puppet, no puppet. You're the puppet!" Like a fucking child.
Hey man, I thought he looked like a child too, but I could almost see him picking up the angry conservative base he ended up riding to the win.
Meanwhile I felt like Hillary frequently let herself get dragged into his stupid arguments where she had no hope of winning and didn't do much of anything to even encourage me, a left leaning young middle
class professional living in NYC, literally her demographic, to want to vote for her. I did, but I didn't feel good about it.
Kaymann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me at least every debate felt very different. The first debate seemed like a bit of a mess for Trump and I would say Hillary ended up looking quite a bit better. The second debate I would say the opposite - he had a lot of good attacks on Hillary that she just kind of flopped around on. The third where the "no puppet" line came from was just a complete shit show and both Trump and Hillary looked really messy as they were really slinging it hard. My personal takes anyway.
jmhimara ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:26:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've thought of this, and it makes sense that maybe all he wanted to get out of this was a new TV series.
Although it is kinda fucked up to think that someone who wasn't even trying ended up winning.
Exactly. I honestly dont think he had much to do with it. He joined the race thinking he could win, but I think after Hillary's email shitstorm happened, I think she worked something out with TPTB to quietly drop out and hand it to him out of fear. Notice we don't hear a single thing about her anymore.
HugoTRB ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:35:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course we don't hear a thing about her anymore, she lost the election, did you here much about Mitt Romney after he lost his election?
Hillary lost to a baffoon. The Lefties lost an election that couldn't be lost.
IceNeun ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:00:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not exactly being fair to the effects of the gas lighting and misinformation campaign that has entered modern politics. It's basically a new form of warfare no one has ever seen or experienced before in most countries.
Russia took notes on Anglo-world (primarily USA and UK) conservative political tactics since Reagan and Thatcher, and adopted and combined it with good ol' Soviet manipulation of the masses.
There's also the technological shift to the newer forms of media that now exist too. This combination of east and west traditions of propaganda turns out to be way more effective with how ubiquitous the internet has become to all walks of life.
In these situations, when you are fighting with swords and arrows and the enemy has guns, it's not necessarily due to incompetence that they failed to meet the threat, but more a lack of immunization and inherited resiliency.
And now suddenly I'm a race traitor neo-nazi Mexican because I think the US enforcing the same immigration controls that every other rational county around the world does is not racism.
utahdog2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:46:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, full on Trump hating lefty here. I just want to say that I don't think that believing in strong or conservative immigration controls is racist. I think we can easily be compassionate, and have very strong immigration controls. I think the problem is that Trump used very derogatory, and indeed racist, language to describe Mexican immigrants, and that stirred up the real racists, and made everyone who supports him or conservative immigration reform seem racist by association.
edit: I want to clarify that my overall point here is that you are not a racist just for believing in strong immigration controls.
ck-pasta ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:55:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Mexican isn't even a race, it's a nationality. It's like saying American is a race. How can you be racist towards Mexicans when there are white, black, Spanish, and Asian Mexicans.
You can be prejudiced without being racist. For example, people from New York City might think people from LA are empty headed hippies obsessed with kale. Or people from New Jersey might assume every one from PA are bad drivers and couldn't identify good Italian food if it bit their balls. Or people from North Carolina could every one from South Carolina were a bit dumber than themselves because of their inferior BBQ.
Or people from the North can assume everyone from the south is a racist hick.
Or people from the costal states could assume people in the middle of the country hate all gay people.
Or people from the middle of the country can assume the people on the costs don't give a shit about them.
Or people Haiti could think people from Jamaica are lazy and rude.
Or maybe every at Northeast High thinks every one at Central High are a bunch of dumb jocks.
Thinking of a group of people as 'other' is problematic even if it's not based on genetics/ethnicity.
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I'm sure if you talked to someone of Latin American descent, they could tell you have been profiled for being Mexican. Saying "well it's not even a race anyway" doesn't make them any less discriminated against.
Ares6 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is many Americans have an image of what Mexicans look like, when Mexican itself is a diverse title. Same way people say you can't be racist against Muslims yet attack Sikhs who are are not Muslim because they associate tan skin and a beard with Islam. In others words people create a stereotype or image in their head about a group and whomever fits that description will likely face their prejudice.
A white Mexican will likely never face the same prejudice as a mestizo, or indigenous Mexican.
He described literal rapist and criminals as rapists and criminals.
utahdog2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:40:52 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His point was to make it seem like Mexican immigrants were more likely to be rapists than other groups of people, and to get people scared and angry at an entire nationality. Classic racist tactics. And yes his use of those Spanish words is racist when the point is to mock and disparage Spanish speaking people. I am totally fine with strong immigration laws, and their enforcement, but using racism to create unwarranted fear an hysteria to win votes is dangerous.
No. Just that you can read the minds of millions of Americans, including the President.
utahdog2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:50 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think his intentions were pretty obvious, and I don't feel like talking about this anymore, but before I go I want to return to my original point which is that I don't think that you are racist for voting for Trump or for believing in strong immigration controls.
What people in your camp think is obvious almost always quickly ends up including the latter point. I've learned to utterly disregard that kind of thinking entirely. I absolutely do not trust the Left's insane hypocritical holier than thou stance on unilaterally getting to decide that they know racism when they see it.
Contrary to what Democrats say to smear Republicans, it is not R's that are going further right on these issues, it is D's that are going further left. Even Obama was against gay marriage when he got elected and didn't support it until later.
Democrats may be going further left currently, but it's because they were moved so far to the center by Clinton and Obama. The positions of those two are no where near as liberal as Jimmy Carter's or other democrats before him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:59:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you know Jimmy Carter, the pro-gay marriage, socialist, BLM, third wave feminist president.
Politics is constantly changing. What is considered to be conservative or liberal now, might be considered to be neutral or normal in the near future.
I'm Irish, so for example less than 10 years, marriage equality wasn't seen as being the most pressing issue. Our own prime minister (who has recently come out as gay), had previously campaigned against civil partnerships for gay and lesbian people. However, with the rise of legalisation in other countries, the topic came to the front of the media. People who would have considered civil partnerships to be going "too far", were now voting yes to marriage equality. Eventually my children and grandchildren will look at this and think that it was the obvious decision as it's what they've come to learn as being normal and ordinary.
Sambam18 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:43:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been saying the same thing in interviews since the 80s, must've been the long con...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:07:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not working then. His main supporter base is still very happy with him.
jeepdave ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like liberals don't get it. We didn't vote for Trump to make Democrats happy.
I assure you, the overwhelming majority of liberals are well aware that nothing gets a Trumpkin off more than pissing off a liberal, which Trump does very well.
jeepdave ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we didn't hire him to kiss your ass now did we.
Didn't say it bothered me. Simply making an observation. And stand in traffic? So another Trump-loving Neo-Nazi can attempt to kill me? Boy you are a violent bunch. I wouldn't know if it's the result of years of persecution of the white man, "economic anxiety", or generations of inbreeding, but you do have my sympathy.
Yeah man, I'm all for that, my biggest argument here in the UK is that people vote against their own interests. I'm genuinely asking what were the policies that suited you?
jeepdave ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:49:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Number one was the supreme court. After that was deregulation. After that was a tougher stance on illegal immigration.
DMBeer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he put Gorsuch into the supreme court I don't think so.
TThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol if the republicans ever disavow Trump, this will be the conspiracy they tout out to save face.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:33:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That says more about Trump's opposition and the state of our society than it does about him. Trump didn't deceive anyone, he is merely an opportunist. He's the real winner in all of this.
We really need to start looking at ourselves and engaging in collective dialogue to determine how we let this happen and figure out how to not let it happen again.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:36:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My opponent is a liar and cannot be trusted.
UiiN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm half convinced Trump's campaign was Hillary's idea to thin the legitimate opposition, but his ego took over and he screwed her over on whatever deal they had
He was probably supposed to gather a lot of fringe support, bow out, and shift his support to the GOP's favored candidate. But the party overestimated their ability to control a narcissistic sociopath who has never heard the word "no" in his life.
VROF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before Election Day it was kind of obvious they were expecting to lose and launch Trump TV
Actually if you watch old Donnie videos on Youtube like "From the desk of Donald Trump" and shite like that he actually foreshadows that he'll run.. I don't think it was a joke to be quite honest.
He knows he doesn't have qualifications as generally accepted by academic sources, he's a rank amateur at governance, if not management and PR, which for better or worse it's all one needs to succeed in politics, at least initially.
I think he is human. I think he's in over his head, and doing the best job he can with what he knows. He's a political hobbyist who knows the established special interest groups despise him for interrupting their gravy train.
And to be fair, it probably wears and eats at him. He wasn't elected by plurality, but he eeked out a win. I think he loves what he imagines America to be, and I think a lot of people, good and bad, agree with that vision. I think he's seeing daily frustrations with allegations he knows or thinks are false or smoke-but-no-fire. It's possible campaign aides met with Russians and he didn't know. The man gave so many speeches, to expect him to keep perfect tabs on his employees is unreasonable. Their job is to keep tabs on him. Watching the apprentice, he cuts loose people and demands results at the end of the day, with little as to how they were achieved. That's his style. So I bet it keeps him up, the idea that he might have gotten bad advice from someone who might have gotten a suggestion from someone who was Russian- and it'll bring his efforts to fix (or "fix" depending on your outlook!) America to a stop.
According to Howard Stern, friend of the the Donald, Trump ran for publicity which would give him the leverage needed to get paid more money for the Apprentice.
The one I heard is that he did it for attention. The channel that produces his show backed out because he was saying crazy shit. So he went bigger for more attention/profile. He didn't want it and kepy going bigger and crazier and a huge percentage of people just ate it up. He would never bow out, too proud for that and tried to self sabotage, but everyone just ate it up so he went for it.
I don't think a joke but he did it to bring some points to the table. You can actually tell by some of his interviews on the campaign trail and who he had on staff. At one point he said something along the lines of "now we are serious" because he wasn't expecting for it to be what it became. And I'm a Trump Supporter
It began as a way to improve his public persona so he could get a better salary for appearing on The Apprentice, but then he somehow Springtime For Hitlered his way to the West Wing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he's currently trying to probe just how much he can do before he gets impeached. That's his goal. But he doesn't want to seem like he's going for it, that'd wound his ego. He wants it to be organic.
Another option is that he's just a stooge, in there to push the boundaries and see what a president can get away with. Whoever comes next will have a lot more leeway than before.
I don't really believe that, but it would help explain some of the crazy nonsense he does.
During the campaign, I was convinced that it was just for the publicity and then he'd back out around the primary, then he won it. Then I was convinced he'd back out between then and the general election. Then once he was told he couldn't really do that, he started doing/saying the most absurd stuff he could think of to make sure he'd lose.... And then he still won.
Now that it's been over 6 months and he hasn't changed a bit I now realize he's just that much of an asshole, but I held out hope for way longer than was sane.
Llim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy theory; it's the truth. Only it wasn't a joke, but he just wanted to get attention and get his message out there
toth42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he wanted to prove he could win, but didn't want the prize.
I honestly dont think he had much to do with it. He joined the race thinking he could win, but I think after Hillary's email shitstorm happened, I think she worked something out with TPTB to quietly drop out and hand it to him out of fear. Notice we don't hear a single thing about her anymore.
Eshin242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll one up you. Trump never wanted to win. The most surprised person on Nov 9th was Donald Trump.
kettu3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about Trump's campaign started off as a joke, but once he realized he might win, he did everything he could to discredit himself, and yet he still won.
According to r/politics, Trump's campaign is actually a conspiracy between him and Russia that was set into motion 5 years ago.
TThor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:20:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe Trump ever wanted to be president, but at the same time he was too egotistical to "lose" near the end. He was completely unprepared for the reality of winning, and now legitimately hates the position.
why would he try for decades if he didnt want to be president?
TThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
egotism partly, a presidential bid makes him feel more important; and the fact that a presidential run improves his fame and helps him sell more books/tv shows.
I believe the rich are pitting people against each other to drastically take attention away from how they make the rules and run the show.
Hard for a white man and black man to come together and fight a common enemy such as the wealthy when their media stations make you hate each other over skin color or other non important issues for the country.
That is where Richard Reeves, a scholar at the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, aims his fire in โDream Hoardersโ: at Americaโs richest fifth, its upper middle class. Having grabbed their piece of prosperity, the upper middle class are fighting like hell to keep it. Theyโwhich is to say you, in all probabilityโare the problem.
It is hard to fault the well-off for nurturing their children, but efforts to protect their status amount to opportunity hoarding. The upper middle class fight to restrict house building in their well-groomed neighbourhoods, thus making cities unaffordable for most Americans. They lobby for tax benefits for higher education and home ownership, which disproportionately benefit the upper middle class; Mr Reeves cites figures from the Congressional Budget Office, which show that the top 20% of American households receive tax benefits worth nearly $450bn; benefits for the bottom 40% are roughly a third of that. The 20% arm-twist elite universities into accepting their children, and draw on their network of successful friends and colleagues to place their offspring in the desirable internships and jobs that are the first rung on the ladder to success.
I think the truth is even scarier: even the rich and powerful are just as scared and clueless as everyone else. We're all just a bunch of hopeless monkies trying to do our best in a world that is complex beyond anyone's comprehension.
Money itself is fine and useful. The hoarding of vast amounts of wealth by a small percentage of powerful individuals at the expense of societal well-being is not fine or useful.
Well it's not like that money isn't in use. It's on loan to banks which are loaning and investing it. Unless it's hidden offshore of course... Which, now that I think about it, is a very strong case for why you might want to think twice about taxing the 1% too much--it feels good, but at some point it would become counterproductive.
Hannyu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money is indirectly evil. Money is power. I think we have all heard the many sayings about how power corrupts. So until we uncouple money and power, yeah it'll always be that way.
Rich people are just people. Truth is we're all horrible monsters. Never forget that or else you'll really become a monster. The most horrible things done in human history were done by people who thought they were the good purging the evil--that if only they could eliminate this one awful group of devils that things would be perfect forever.
Oh haha I wasn't saying you were. Just to be careful of any mindset that leads you to believe that there is an external group of people uniquely responsible for all of the world's ills. This is the pathology at the root of all genocide. And on the subject of how easily people can be moved to such things, consider giving Ordinary Men a read.
I don't believe a group is responsible for all of the worlds ills, but I definitely believe the government is responsible for the US's ills. I mean it's not like I plan on taking the government down or anything though lol.
Keown14 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:49:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a couple of people, but one woman in particular who would benefit from left-leaning programs, but votes 100% conservative republican. Calls Hilary and other dems "evil", and when I ask her why, she can't really even say. She just resorts to "I just don't like them", and she's also openly racist. She has, however, benefitted from Medicaid and charity medical care. Maybe people like her think there's only so much aid to go around, and want to keep it from others so that they have more for themselves? I don't know. And it's also easy to decide who "others" are based on easy markers like race, religion, ethnicity, etc.
That reminds me of my wife's aunt, uncle and their kids. They are very right wing minded, watch Fox News religiously, and hate government welfare programs and the people that use them. Of the 5 kids, 4 have used or are still on some kind of government assistance.
I'd agree with this one. Back in 2010 during the Occupy movement, the media shit a brick. Every story was either discrediting the whole movement or yelling at people that they have to do everything possible avoid CLASS WARFARE and it wont solve anything!
Now, instead of being angry at the rich, poor people are at EACHOTHERS throats. Racial tensions are higher than they've been in decades, but you don't hear the media say a peep about avoiding a race war. Because they don't care. Its far easier to get away with screwing people over if they're only paying attention to the other people getting screwed rather than the ones doing the screwing.
Reminds me of the great scene from The Big Short where the aftermath of the Wall Street bailouts is nothing but blaming poor people and immigrants and only one banker went to jail.
loverink ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:46:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its difficult to watch a movie so good that leaves you so sad and jaded.
I like to call it the scariest horror movie I've ever seen.
Hannyu ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:13:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at whats going on in Charlotte and the coverage from the media. Not only are they not saying shit about avoiding one, they're damn near actively igniting an an already explosive situation.
And everybody on reddit is here just eating it up. You either believe all conservatives should be removed from the country, or you're a Nazi.
wagsyman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:05 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If youre not with us youre against us is an extremely powerful tool to separate groups.
TThor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:41:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On a tangent, I've always found it funny how it is only class warfare when it is "the poor against the rich"; When it is rich against poor, it is just treated as "business as usual".
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:24:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find it now, but I remember seeing an image of google search trends over time and it was showing how a lot of these current racial/social issues phrases start right after the Occupy Wallstreet movement
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:17:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who owns the media?
Not the people...
Peil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something I believe that fits in this thread nicely is that the media and governments were fearful in the late 2000s- early 2010s. This was after seeing things like the Occupy movement, the Arab Spring, and the rise of anti-establishment leftists in Europe, places such as Ireland, Greece and Spain. So they switched tack from reporting pure news, to shit stirring identity politics stories, and favouring status quo politicians.
They were afraid that the sudden upsurge in mass protests around the globe organised through the internet would cause not a "New World Order", but maybe a "slightly different order", different enough to put them out of a job.
Interestingly, the UK actually seems to follow this trend, with riots across England in 2011 which were heavily connected to social media, and the change in policy since the mid-2000s of strict internet regulation.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:20:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of that stops an assassin. Even the secret service, the best group trained for this purpose, can fall to a determined assassin. It's true CEOs, like the Waltons, hire people like that but even the richest most corrupt people aren't safe from a determined assassin.
You confused determined assasin with suicide. No matter what happen, if a guy/girl is succesful to kill the mighty target, they will get shot to dead. Which brings us to the question of suicide bombers. If they are what they say they are, isn't it more effective if they target a highly valuable person whoever their foes is. Rather then killing unknown civillians that only getting into statistics. They are already 'determined assassins' so to speak. It only serves those who alives a.k.a. guys who run the strings. But the hate will be directed to the suicide bomber's ethnicity or religion for example, which gain NOTHING from that action. This is the conspircary theory that I believe. How does Afghan people or even Taliban gain from all the news served to us everyday about their suicide bombers or goat rapist. If any. it downgrade their purpose of fighting, like we downgrade Nazis as just crazy people with agendas. Its not even hard for a suicide bomber, let say they hate this guy who always happen to shop at Coach store downtown. Park a car somewhere on that radius, have enough explosive charges, boom. At least he/she died for something a.k.a. killing the right person.
I didn't confuse anything. Your implications are not true. Many killers are brought to justice. I agree a determined assassin is willing to die to accomplish their goal but suicide is not their goal so why do you assume it to be?
Everything else you wrote is not something anyone can answer except a suicide bomber. I cannot rationalize a suicide bomber, I'd argue nobody alive can rationalize their minds. They kill for fear, they are mostly weak manipulated people with small perspectives. Maybe if they were educated they wouldn't be killers or they'd at least kill justifiably.
Are you fucking serious? A modern revolution wouldn't be some glorious uprising that results in the redistribution of wealth and ends in some collectivist utopia. If the world's peacekeeping force and largest economic and military power descends into anarchy, you can bet your ass that every other nation with an axe to grind is going to leap at the opportunity. It would mean World War and a collapse of the global economy. Everyone you know would starve or be raped and killed in the streets and die for nothing. We would be lucky to avoid nuclear armageddon.
I think you are imagining class warfare as some sort of army of poor people marching in the streets trying to take over the entire country. That would never get very far. The more likely scenario is targeted assassinations.
If that's the case, I doubt the revolutionaries that were complicit with murdering innocent people in their homes to gain power would make better politicians than what we have now.
Seems like it would lead to the second Reign of Terror.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more likely scenario is targeted assassinations.
That would never get very far.
As much as you might think it's the opposite, pasty anarchkiddies are not capable of infiltrating and consistently overwhelming the security forces of the world.
I doubt if for example the Waltons were murdered we would go to WWIII for them. It would probably be meaningless but I don't think we are as fragile as we were in the past towards going to world war.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:21:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Fox News
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every revolution ever had people die for nothing and had people die for something. It is necessary. Maybe even it's what we need to pull us out of our complacency
wagsyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:27 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you do it then?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:18 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I can't be sure if I would die for nothing or for something also I'd very much rather live.
Yeah sure as opposed to the wealthy being okay with millions struggling. Please spare your morality that you oh so suddenly have.
ReMaxius ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:51:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suddenly? I've had morals since birth dude. I've been where you are, I know how it feels, but with that mentality, we will never get anywhere as a society.
You think I legit give two shits? I'm free to say what I want and if the snowflakes at the top can't handle it then stop acting corrupt and benefit your fucking country. They can shove their nonexistent list up their asses.
No and respectively I'm not but ones nearby almost all the time and I'm not the only CCW holder in my house so even then no one's getting into my house or near my property without us knowing.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:56:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we saw a bit of that a couple of weeks ago with the shooting at the Republican softball practice. Calls for everyone to come together and work together for a couple days, then everyone forgot about it and they stopped pretending.
Well that's just the start, gotta break a few eggs to get the omlette and all that shit.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that the leaders need to properly fear their constituents, but not with fear of death. There should be some financial stakes with entering a political position controlled by the constituents, not gigantic corporations.
Hannyu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We shoukd be able to fire and replace them at any time if we as a whole (or even a big enough minority, like 40-45%) feel we are no longer being represented, but that they are instead representing lobbyists/special interest groups.
Edit: and we should be able to do it without having to resort to using the 2nd amendment to replace our entire government. But even our founding fathers knew there may come a day where they did not give up power freely. It's exactly why they created the 2nd amendment and didn't establish a central government run military like we now have.
Yes, killing people for being more successful than you isn't wrong. Thank God the rich and powerful aren't as barbaric as you.
gd_akula ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh bullshit the rags to,riches story is played out. They aren't more successful by and large they got lucky and were born wealthy. Maybe they got wealthier by being smart but that doesn't give them the right to trample the shit out of peoples lives just so they can afford another yacht this year.
They aren't more successful by and large they got lucky and were born wealthy
How do you know this?
Maybe they got wealthier by being smart but that doesn't give them the right to trample the shit out of peoples lives
Does that happen in America? Poor people in America get welfare (given to them by the rich).
gd_akula ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go look at the top 100 wealthiest and look at their history find 10 that weren't born to at least upper class.
Welfare doesn't come close to closing the wealth gap and a lot of people sit just above or struggle with the poverty line and aren't eligible for any sort of welfare. And no matter what you think about welfare it takes a heartless bastard to think "man we really should just keep fucking people over to make that net worth number of mine go up."
Welfare doesn't come close to closing the wealth gap and a lot of people sit just above or struggle with the poverty line and aren't eligible for any sort of welfare.
If people are above the poverty line why should they receive welfare?
"man we really should just keep fucking people over to make that net worth number of mine go up."
How are people being fucked over? I'm not saying that every single wealthy person is perfectly honest and doesn't fuck anyone over, but how does simply being rich equate to hurting others? If you want to call out specific groups of wealthy people who are fucking others over (like the fossil fuel guys who contribute to Global Warming) that's fine. But what is the point in generalizing?
Go look at the top 100 wealthiest and look at their history find 10 that weren't born to at least upper class.
Perhaps when it comes to astronomical wealth (billions of dollars, which the top 100 have) then family and luck plays into it but there plenty of moderately wealthy doctors, lawyers and small business owners who were born into working class or middle class families.
Hannyu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The poverty line is superficial, we could set it where ever we want. Just want to point that out.
Also that many/most people just barely above the poverty line are actually in a WORSE situation than those below it, as they are nonlinger eligable for many of the assistance benefit programs. What they lose in income value from those far outweighs the extra thouand bucks a year or so they make above the poverty line. Food stamps, WIC, HUD housing, medicare (or is it medicade, can never keep those 2 straight), not to mention federally funded programs from places like the non-profit my wife works for, where they give out commodities every few months, run LiHEAP programs a few times a year to help pay for electric or gas utilities, such and so on.
You need to make a considerable amount above the poverty line to actually come out better than being below it.
it takes a heartless bastard to think "man we really should just keep fucking people over to make that net worth number of mine go up.
So what do you do as a rich person who thinks that? Do you give your money all away to charity and live as a poor?
Or do you pull a George Soros or Koch brothers and donate to your favorite political causes that you think does the most good?
I am no fan of the 1% and we need to take them on. But put yourself in their shoes for a minute, they are people too.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean they got lucky, success is just luck combined with opportunity. I was also lucky to escape poverty but I'm not living in this fantasy and delusion that I'm somehow more deserving. Killing rich people is the right thing to do.
Do you genuinely believe this or are you trolling? I take it you want to die as well then (you said you got lucky and were able to escape poverty). Not to mention that like it or not rich people are the most productive members of society so killing them would hurt everyone else.
You mean they got lucky, success is just luck combined with opportunity.
Some rich people got lucky (born into the right family) others worked for what they have. If you are truly that stupid to think that the only way to get rich is to be lucky I can't help you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:49:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should see my other comments, I think they stand at -100 or some shit. Yes, I genuinely believe that and totally not trolling. Rich people that want to escape death, know their way around and they adapt. This is life. You try to get rich and that's the easy part. The hard part is staying rich and alive.
Yes, I genuinely believe that and totally not trolling. Rich people that want to escape death, know their way around and they adapt
Even if you think that's true, why is killing rich people "the right thing to do"? And do you deserve to be killed for "getting lucky" and being successful?
The hard part is staying rich and alive.
Really? Because rich people tend to live longer than poorer people. Where is this epidemic of rich people getting killed?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people are constantly getting killed in Eastern Europe? By who?
I've been told (by friends who come from there) that many rich people over there are mobsters (as opposed to legitimate businessmen) so maybe that's why. If that is the case, I think them being killed has more to do with being criminals than them being rich.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people are constantly getting killed in Eastern Europe? By who?
In Russia, they are killed by Putin, in Romania and other central/eastern european countries they kill each other by hiring poor people as hitmen.
HOWEVER,
The hard part is staying rich and alive.
THAT was my exact quote. Millionaires in the eastern block they either pay up to the state and remain slightly rich, get put in jail by the state or RUN the state and put other rich people in jail. There are no other legitimate rich people here that stay rich, they are either robbed by the state, by other rich people or they have "car accidents". Corporations can do as they please too as their money is sent outside the country and is hardly reachable by the state.
And do you deserve to be killed for "getting lucky" and being successful?
Also, you implied I were rich and my exact quote was
I was also lucky to escape poverty
Which means exactly that, that I escaped poverty by luck, not that I am rich. I am somewhat middle class in my country but compared to an american, I am very poor. Nobody wants to kill me but there were plenty of other people, richer and poorer, trying to take steal money from me or obtain other advantages.
There was a funny communist joke during the Cold War: In capitalism, the human is exploited by the human, in Communism is the other way around. There's no way to avoid NOT being greedy or exploiting others as long as our entire system of values is material. We were taught, both in Communism and Capitalism, that the world revolves around money, or even worse, your virtues and vices are defined by how much money you have. For example, you are poor and take drugs? You're a loser and an addict that will always be poor or dead. You are rich and take drugs? You're cool, edgy and non-conformist, eccentric and extravagant taking a stand for what you believe in and living life the way you want to. Same goes for other aspects - the double standards are real.
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I've been told (by friends who come from there) that many rich people over there are mobsters (as opposed to legitimate businessmen) so maybe that's why.
That is accurate. Honest businessmen, if there are any, take their money to the West or to offshore accounts to protect it from the state. Kinda like everywhere.
So, all rich people are inherently evil and don't deserve what they worked hard to get? What makes you deserve their money? Sure, there are terribly greedy people at the top who have funneled the money to themselves, taking it away from deserving employees. But, that isn't all rich people in the least.
Ah, this explains why Trump isn't so quick to decry the hate groups. He loves to see people flip their shit over the racial divide, so he can have less attention on what a bloviated bogus billionaire buffoon he is.
Wow, is your reading comprehension really that bad eh? Guy said media made racial tensions higher than they've ever been in decades after OWS to distract and divides us. I gave examples showing what he said is false since there's been high racial the past decade.
Yeah, even all the democrat mayors went around squashing the protests. For example, rahm emmanuel in Chicago almost immediately (iirc) cleared the parks and put a stop to any protest.
I remember the occupy movement. I walked through a huge camp of tents with zero people in the camp. I couldn't find anyone. No one was there, it was a tent occupation with a bunch of tents and nothing or no one in them.
I wouldn't even really consider this a conspiracy theory as much as just a general functioning of human existence.
Consider the differences and similarities between how a poor white guy, a poor black guy, a poor Latino guy, a poor tribal native guy, and a poor guy of any other ethnicity live in America.
Contrast those similarities/differences with a comparison between a very rich guy and a very poor guy. This is where you see the greater differences in how these people's lives play out.
Now I wouldn't go so far as to say all super-wealthy people actively work to disenfranchise the non-wealthy and put them against each other, but it does seem to play out in their favor.
now, I wouldn't go as far as to say all super-wealthy people actively work to disenfranchise the non-wealthy
Sure they don't. They act in a manner that only considers themselves. They take actions to secure their gains and don't think for a moment about the consequences for others. When a failing bank takes a fat bailout check from the government and distributes it amongst its executives as bonuses, they're not thinking "fuck the taxpayer" they're thinking "yay free money".
It's not antagonistic. It's worse. It's contemptuous. You do not matter.
Semi-true. The government was paid back marginally more than they originally issued in the bailouts due to the total interest accrued from the institutions that did pay back, but some-400 financial institutions (more than half of the group) still haven't paid back and likely never will.
aesu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:57:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course all wealthy people dont. Some people will win the lottery today, ro sell their business and make a fortune.
All it takes is for any group of wealthy and powerful people to conspire to this end. It's actually a tragedy of the commons scenario. So long as you allow a minority to owna majority of society, you create the circumstances in which someone will manipulate it to their ends.
2gig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I wouldn't go so far as to say all super-wealthy people actively work to disenfranchise the non-wealthy and put them against each other, but it does seem to play out in their favor.
You read my mind. About a week ago I randomly started thinking about the Occupy Wallstreet movement and how back then we all came together (somewhat disorganized, but together) to protest. Since then the media has just been talking about issues of race/sex/gender one after another and we've just been dividing into angry mobs ever since. I even heard at the women's march the protesters started separating into white feminists and POC feminists and arguing between themselves. It's just a theory, but a plausible one if you ask me. After all, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Yeah. I remember the Tea Party being a bit more like a version of a libertarian movement. Then it got highjacked in a big big way.
Hannyu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:35:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The far left and right have a lot in common in terms of goals, as far as the average person economically speaking. The major differences are social and HOW they think we should achieve those goals.
Absolutely true. Occupy Wall Street was an awesome idea, bringing attention to the 1% and how Wall St basically runs the gov't.
A co-worker of mine was adamant that illegal immigrants and welfare recipients are the problem; I emailed him links to statistics that showed the opposite, that it's the CEOs and their benefits and golden parachutes that cost this nation WAY more money.
Sooooo many articles about how CEOs are paid totally out of proportion to their actual work/worth, and this started in the 1980s or so when consultants showed them how to go about this. Somebody just wrote a book about it and I'm drawing a blank on the name/title- the author is a former CEO so he knows of what he writes!
Anyway, I suspect that the gov't/1%-ers sent "loonies" to disrupt the event and discredit the protesters. The media would cover all the people acting weird, protesting other things, etc. So people would read about and think, "oh look at those dirty hippy millennials who need to get their own jobs and stop hatin' on those hard-working, super-smart banking types!"
Related theory (somebody else's which I agree with): Whenever there's a peaceful protest, plain-clothes cops will show up and start riling people up (bumping into people etc.) Violence erupts, and the uniformed cops then have a reason to shut down the protest which is no longer peaceful.
In Canada no less. :-[ When I learned about this tactic, I wasn't surprised, just really sickened. Probably the same thing that happened in Charlottesville- send in some goons to rile people up.
And then Trump spills the beans inadvertently b/c he wants to perpetuate this belief that the counter-protesters were violent.
Elcatro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:35:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Related theory (somebody else's which I agree with): Whenever there's a peaceful protest, plain-clothes cops will show up and start riling people up (bumping into people etc.) Violence erupts, and the uniformed cops then have a reason to shut down the protest which is no longer peaceful.
Here in the UK our police force uses kettling for peaceful protests that the government doesn't like and force people into a smaller and smaller area, holding them for several hours unable to go anywhere. Guess how this pretty much always ends.
Of course, then the media reports on it as violent protests and rioting and the like making out that there's no legitimacy to the protest.
Yup, it's a subtle but very effective (and fucking annoying) tactic.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I'm too lazy to look up the source, but it's probably on youtube. It's a formal interview with the dude who started the Occupy movement, and he said that he jumped out of it about halfway through because it, overnight, turned into something that was unrecognizable from what he started.
Check out A People's History of the Untied States. It goes it to this quite a bit. Also Manufacturing Consent and Sheldon Wolin on inverted totalitarianism.
In all honesty there has always been a bit of friction between White feminists and feminists who are POC. At least that's what all my Women's Studies classes taught me.
mfred01 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:45:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There absolutely is. The most common issue I've seen discussed (and this happens in other groups too) is that once white feminists get what they want they'll work to secure their gains even at the expense of women who aren't white. Basically, there's solidarity until one group decides they don't need to help out because they got what they want already.
You are right and its not like race/sex/orientation issues aren't all big issues with their own divides.
Occupy Wall Street had no focus and no goal and therefore no major opposition and no major internal divides. It was just "thing is bad" and everyone agreed that it was bad. The end. There was no opposition but the people saying "okay then what?" or "dont you all have jobs?"
Now, I don't doubt groups do stoke the fires of these issues to keep people occupied. Like religious politicians talking about people marrying dogs to rile up their religious base when they have no concern for any of that.
gtphanta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They completely freaked out when it was the rest of the world against the 1%, so this is the solution.
Newoski ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:10:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that identity politics is what is causing this issue of segmentation (it turned the wall st movement from an upraw about financial desperately to fk rich white men, it turned an issue of journalistic integrity/corruption in the fk whiney man babies they are sexist dogpile come to be known as gamergate) It creates an us vs them mentality. The people buying into all this shit are the very definition of useful idiots.
If we're all focused on one major issue, the rest of the bullshit can be swept under the rug and ignored. (See abortion, civil rights, gender rights, gay rights, immigration and Benghazi.)
Peil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:36:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something I believe that fits in this thread nicely is that the media and governments were fearful in the late 2000s- early 2010s. This was after seeing things like the Occupy movement, the Arab Spring, and the rise of anti-establishment leftists in Europe, places such as Ireland, Greece and Spain. So they switched tack from reporting pure news, to shit stirring identity politics stories, and favouring status quo politicians.
They were afraid that the sudden upsurge in mass protests around the globe organised through the internet would cause not a "New World Order", but maybe a "slightly different order", different enough to put them out of a job.
Interestingly, the UK actually seems to follow this trend, with riots across England in 2011 which were heavily connected to social media, and the change in policy since the mid-2000s of strict internet regulation.
Eh, I wouldn't really lump feminist movements in with trying to be 'all inclusive'. I've met many feminists I really hate because of their beliefs (Anti trans and anti sex worker feminists). Feminism isn't really the big group hug people want to make it out to be. It is definitely a good school of thought over all, but its not homogenous, and it has a lot of internal issues that NEED to be dealt with.
This is why I put political movements that are more abstract in terms (Fighting for specific issues) above joining groups that have one purpose. I don't really care about joining a feminist group that wants to close the gender pay gap, when that same group denies the idea that the race pay gap is larger and a more pressing issue, AND can be dealt with at the same time.
Intersectionality is where its at honestly. We can fight for all rights at the same time, no need to demand only one group gets the stuff over others.
You might be giving the media too much credit. They want to sell, so they talk about issues people care about the most. This might be a chicken or egg question...
Exactly. I think a lot of people also forget that the media is not a monolith. It's not like news outlets convene in one big office and go "Hey, let's disinform the public by starting a race war!"
Til issues or race, sex, gender didn't exist until after OWS protest. It was all created by media.
Hannyu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the case, they just took on a more prominent role in our propoganda machine - I mean media - in order to keep focus on issues that separate us rather than issues that divide us.
MiniJar ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:16:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Forgetting all the pain and hurt we caused each other in these streets.
If I respect you, we unify and stop the enemy from killing us."
DeFex ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:03:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See also immigrants taking your jobs (your jerb was freely given away by the very people who want you to hate immigrants)
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - President Lyndon B. Johnson
People who worked on Nixon's campaign have admitted that Nixon did this. Who do you think, "states' rights", "law and order", and "war on drugs" were meant to appeal to?
The way I see it is like this. There is fat farmer fox. Farmer fox sits on so much grain that he could never use is. He sells eggs and meat from his chickens.
The chickens mainly have to pick through the bugs and such to get fed. He throws a little grain out to the chickens once in awhile. He says, "look at that little white chicken, that brown chicken just took the food from your mouth! Look at that little red hen, the red rooster took the food that was meant for you! Look little rooster, the lazy hen who doesn't even lay just took the food from your family!"
It's all a clever ruse to keep the chickens from realizing the fox is starving them while he gets fatter through their hard work.
EDIT: This could also be expanded to say the fox has a hen who loves to gossip and likes to see drama. The fox keeps the hen as a pet, giving her a little more scraps of food than the others. The fox wouldn't have to directly tell the chickens about the others taking their grain, all he would have to do is mention a few things in passing and the gossiping hen would take care of the rest. The media ladies and gentlemen.
That's why incels is still on reddit after being a cesspool of hate, yet I get a comment removed for saying my opinion on a hot topic when it's different from everyone else's for being 'hateful'.
Not just the wealthy but the powerful. Love him or hate him, Trump's a political outsider & the country has been upended by his election. The media and establishment politicians hate him because no outsider was ever supposed to win.
The constant criticism of every little thing is so over the top. It's 24/7 negative attention from all sides and every source. Now we're having race riots because a handful of yokels crawled out from under a rock to opine over a retired statue and something something this is all Trump's fault. Seems extreme to the point of being crazy.
It just doesn't pass the smell test. Seems much more likely that the swamp refuses to be drained and will do anything to stop his agenda, even if it means causing a second civil war.
I actually worried that crazies would pull this kind of dumb shit when Obama won in '08 because racists but nope, nothing like it.
You know that really makes me question this whole thing...I figured it was Trump being a dipshit, which he is, but I mean it does show that the career politicans are scared.
After 7 months, I'm convinced that they'd be acting the same even if he was a saint and that they couldn't treat him worse even if he was literally Hitler. And now I want to know what they're all so afraid of.
But why has he managed everything so poorly then? He could have rode in on a new economic nationalism, but everything has been so botched and mismanaged.
I would add the additional motive they have right now is not to keep "making the rules" as usual, but simply to survive.
The planet is in a mass extinction now and climate change is just starting to ramp up, they don't want the other 98% working together when things get really tough. Better to keep them distracted and angry at each other, and keep building the luxury bunkers and consolidating wealth in the meantime.
Hannyu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:43:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More people are waking up to it. The problem is they have all the resources and unity to stand together to maintain their power and status. Even if enough people wake up, too many are controlled by fear of losing the little they do have to truly fight it. So not only does awareness have to spread, but then acceptance, and finally organization and willingness to do something about it en mass.
I mean... of course they do. Have you not been paying attention to the last eight thousand years? That is basically the most key mechanism of maintaining power. Play your opponents off against each other.
Right? I mean while a lot of bad shit has been going on, it makes sense considering such a short time after the whole Occupy Wall Street thing happened, everyone suddenly forgets the whole point. Now were all fighting each other and no one really cares about the wealthy.
bobfnord ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:18:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has always felt more like an observation than a theory. I'm not sure I've seen anything that would lead me to believe this wasn't the case. And it makes sense. If I was a rich asshole and wanted people to stay compliant and not focus against me, I'd find ways to ensure there was infighting. "Hey, look over there!"
Hannyu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another great tactic they used that a lot of people over look is how the number of workers has grown in huge quantities several times. Free the slaves, put women in the work force, bring in cheap immigrants. More people for fewer jobs, more competition and fighting among the chattle. Weaker worker protections, shittier benefits, less need for loyalty to workers when they're easily replaced. Now we've hit a point in technology where we also have to compete with computers, and globalization means competeing with massively underpaid and protected kids working in some chinese sweat shop.
As an added bonus, our kids are now largely in daycare and preschool at earlier ages than past generations in larger numbers. Insitutions that have to meet government regulations/guidelines. Essentially they have our kids from a very young age to raise and indoctrinate - I mean educate - as they see fit.
RangerPL ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bring in cheap immigrants. More people for fewer jobs, more competition and fighting among the chattle.
globalization means competeing with massively underpaid and protected kids working in some chinese sweat shop
That's awfully selfish. Globalization has made a positive impact on the lives of those immigrants and Chinese laborers, whose only other alternative would have been subsistence farming with zero opportunity to improve their or their childrens' lives. Just because the American middle class isn't getting its share of the pie doesn't mean we should throw millions of people under the bus. To them, you and I are the economic elite.
Hannyu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not here to play a morality game. I was just calling it like it is.
Also globalization has allowed for the exploitation of children in foreign nations and an illegal immigration problem. So exploiting child labor at near slavery conditions and breaking our nations laws - immigration laws that are lax compared to most nations - is your idea of moral high ground?
I haven't looked into it enough but I've definitely read Martin Lurther King Jr. was only killed after starting to speak out against capitalism. He wanted to unite all poor people just as he did for the black community. Regardless of how he died, Martin Lurther King Jr. didn't like capitalism.
Eh, so many terms it's hard not to. And everything means different things to everyone else. I'm advocating post-scarcity Star Trek utopia, not soviet union to put it in clear terms :P
And yet when I ask how a stateless communist society handles murderers or people performing some capitalist act, it either involves having only 'perfect' people or it turns out that there's a government that you don't call a State.
They don't have to be enforced by the state. People are perfectly capable of co-operating and making up rules for groups without any govermental bodies. Obviously there would be a need for a huge cultural change before people learn that if we all play nice together, everyone will have more fun.
My 8-year old daughter can play nice and share. It doesn't require people to be perfect, it just requires them to value other people and community more than valuing the ego boost of having a faster car and a bigger boat than the guy next door.
There's an essay for you if you genuinely want info. I, for one, look forwards to having a post-scarcity star-trek utopia. Humanity has the technology for it it not yet, then at least very soon. Have a nice day!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely true. Corporate autocracy will be the communism o the 21st century. I'm not for regulation of most products, but access to quality healthcare is one thing that many poor suffer from because it's all privatized.
Yes yes yes! Everyone saying the things that make me wonder if I'm crazy for being the only one who thinks it. It seems so obvious. I can't enter discussions with people because if I say something that I identify with, it must be associated with either social justice or nazis, no in between. It's rare to meet people who don't assume whopping portions of your personality based on one trait. White? Racist. One conservative view? Must be alt-right religious kooky who wants to build a wall. One liberal view? Social justice warrior non-binary communist who voted for Obama. People don't focus on this shit naturally. They're told what's truth and believe in a manufactured society. We eat corn feed in all of our food and we're obese like farm raised pigs, for petes sake. We're livestock.
This isn't a conspiracy so much as how society has run for the past 100+ years. Pit immigrants against the poor, televise it to scare the middle class into compliance.
Wages have stagnated? What're you going to do about it? Demand a raise, get fired, and become one of the poors you see on the news?
Hard for a white man and black man to come together and fight a common enemy such as the wealthy when their media stations make you hate each other over skin color or other non important issues for the country.'
Read about the Sinclair Broadcast Group, How they own huge swaths of local news channels and radio stations.
Or watch this to get a good idea.
Xumayar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I think of Democrats and Republicans I think of House Lancaster and House York during 15th century England.
They both vie for power over each other but it's more important that the common populace stays powerless.
Hard for a white man and black man to come together and fight a common enemy such as the wealthy
What makes wealthy people the enemy?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buy bitcoins, this single thing is a huge threat to established power and money systems.
Sure it's being manipulated by those with power and money, but it doesn't change it's usefulness, just pushes the price up and down so that anyone with a little knowledge can earn money whilst it does so.
It's not the big solution to the problems in the world, but it's a huge start. The key point is decentralisation.
This is probably the greatest hoax that the right has pulled on the American public. I spent about a year living in an area that was largely rural and low income, I was astonished at how many people I met who were on disability/Medicaid/other forms of social welfare who were always convinced that other welfare recipients were just sucking up resources and keeping their own taxes "too high." They've managed to convince a good chunk of the lower and middle classes that there is always someone poorer to blame, some welfare queens or brown people, who are the reason that they aren't wealthy. Yeah, keep the finger pointed at them and don't look at the tax subsidies that corporations are getting or consider that the ultra rich should pay more taxes. I mean, they convinced these people who typically vote for "the guy they could have a beer with" and who disavow "elitists" to elect a wealthy, arrogant, real estate tycoon...
I believe this could be true. Its very clear that the media is promoting racial tensions. I feel like someone is trying to incite a race war, but too many people realize that race is a stupid thing to fight about. But media is still pushing that angle.
Yeah, just ignore the countless centuries... actually millenniums of us fighting each other over skin color, ethnicity, etc. All the rich people's fault.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:14:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't an edgy SJW opinion, respected historians like Howard Zinn would tell you that the rich pitting the rest of us against one another is a strategy older than the United States.
What do you think is happening though? People on Wall Street don't care about you or poor people. They care about money. I'm sure there are a few ass holes at the top of some of the major banks trying to manipulate things, but on a wide scale people let their own well being and greed get the better of them. That's it.
The people at the top, the ones that don't even need money, they're the ones who make decisions that keep them in power. War keeps the world busy, distracted, and divided. It's not a club of evil people. Absolute power corrupts absolutely
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:52:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with saying "the people at the top" and such is it's easy to discredit because people think you're referring to jewish folks or illuminati or whatever. It's not some organized group doing stuff, it's just that the mentality of a lot of hyper rich people, and by extension big corporations, just make decisions that benefit themselves or at least avoid inconveniencing their own interests. People just plain aren't clever enough to run a super secret worldwide conspiracy.
But it's human nature. A lot of people have to choose between a charitable decision, a selfish one or an apathetic response. There's a large enough percentage of humans that make selfish decisions. When rich folks do it, it has a lot larger radius of influence than a regular person, same with corporations. If I decide I hate a product then that's basically it. What am I gonna do, convince everybody I know that it sucks and be the guy that hates that thing? Who cares? But if Nestle or a billionaire decide that then they can really have a huge impact on that.
Doesn't matter anyway. Even if we had a class war or western civilization revolution, the guys who win would eventually become the bad guys anyway. French Revolution is a good example of that. Oh and America.
The wealthy hate each other as much as anyone else though. I have relatives many would call "super rich" and it's pretty clear that they are as divided as everyone else except the issues are more related to government spending and taxation (Koch/Mercer/DeVos vs. Soros/Buffett/Gates).
Interesting theory, and it'd make a good book, but I honestly think the answer is simpler and sadder:
People have a "marginalization" fetish.
A few years ago, it became vogue to be the underdog that society is stomping on, and everybody staked their claims all at once.
"It sucks to be gay."
"You think THAT sucks, imagine being gay and BLACK."
"You think THAT sucks, imagine being gay, black, and polyamorous. Nobody understands me."
It became a fucking competition. Who gets to claim to be abused?
There are a lot of legitimate gripes, and I understand how difficult it can be when you're, in some respect, not somebody that society deems "normal". But nobody wants to get labeled as the oppressor, so everybody rushed to claim a share of the "oppressED" pie.
"I can't be part of the problem in society because society hates me too, don't you see? I have an out."
There's a threshold, somewhere, between "i am a person and I demand to be treated with respect" and "I'm so completely self absorbed in my niche identity, and all the things that I expect you to do to avoid hurting my feelings, that I'm impossible to interact with."
I don't think it's a conspiracy; I think that people have decided that there's virtue in not being cis-white-male, and they're all climbing over each other to be the center of attention.
I just do not believe there are secret meetings where "the rich" are getting together and saying, "the media needs to focus on more race relations so we can keep enjoying our wealth" lol or is it more likely that race bait sells and the rich people in charge of media like to make money? I think the latter.
Divide and conquer is being played out by the media to distract us from whatever our government is up to and we're falling for it hard!!!
Personally i think they want another civil war so they can implement martial law and put people in the fema camps! If you've never researched fema camps and fema coffins I recommend it! Its a ridiculous rabbit hole and is pretty sketchy! There's places throughout the country where there's these coffins (that can hold like a family of 5) stacked wicked high and go for miles! There's a fema camp in Alaska that can hold like a million people, their creepy ass hell and all connected to railroad tracks...they look like concentration camps with double barbed wire fences and all...
Also who's to say china and russias secret service won't do what our alphabet agencies do all the time. Fund groups to overthrow the government, it's a scary thought...
Also look at george soro's who's believed to have funded the blm movement
pabodie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world's cultures have become hundreds of attention markets. Prurient, hateful, and salacious media sell really well becuase humans are too often unable to resist temptation. This is why Putin is able to use viral news as a weapon against us. It's a two way street. Every time I hear my beloved Rachel Maddow lay down the facts against those guilty of exploiting us, I am grateful for the good work her team is doing, but also mindful that millions of educated people clicked on stories about Pizzagate and one weird trick Hillary Clinton uses to steal from your uncle. Our appetites have been weaponized, and, since we probably cannot stop the attackers without jeopardizing our more important freedoms, like press freedom and freedom to (even digitally/virtually) assemble, it means We are the change we've been waiting for. It doesn't help that our "president" has tried so hard to confuse the issue to salve his ego. His followers now think the Washington Post is fake, and Alex Jones is to be respected. But, again, deep down, I believe we know better. We just have trouble resisting temptation. This is behind many conspiracy theories. We, the consumers, are the complicit. The markets we provide for UFOs and Bigfeet and JFK and Birtherism and Trutherism are absolutely real.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you're wrong but a similar phenomenon was happening before the market crashed and the recession happened. After 9/11 and the war in Iraq started, I was protesting the war and George W Bush's inauguration and it was blatantly obvious there wasn't a united front. People were protesting the war, gay rights, pot legalization, etc. in a very divisive way even before Occupy Wall Street was happening. All of those issues needed to be addressed, but the anti-war movement fizzled out very quickly in those days. That might be more of a conspiracy...split the issues so people recognize stagnation and eventually give up. It explains a lot of the failures in protest movements lately.
This is true for everything. They use religion, political parties, and more to cause strife. It's classic Littlefinger behavior. Reap the benefits while others fight, you barely have to involve yourself at all.
c0nn4h ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is true. News channels aren't trying to cause a divide, they're just trying to make money. They get the most views and make the most money with polarizing stories. They choose and spin stories based off what will get the most attention, which just happen to be dividing issues.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Divide and rule.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pssst I'm a communist for exactly this reason. Capitalism inevitably creates this situation.
โThereโs class warfare, all right, but itโs my class, the rich class, thatโs making war, and weโre winning.โ
Warren Buffet
Makkel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:33:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I understand what you mean, I think this highly overestimates what "the rich" are... I do not think there is a special club of rich people who just meet every Wednesday to plot how they could make poor people fight each other. The world is much more complex than that...
Skyvoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what happened when indentured servants were getting too expensive in early America. The laws started to treat blacks poorly, (I.e. You must maim slaves by cutting off fingers) while they simultaneously gave poor whites privileges. Before this working class blacks and whites got along fine. The first person to own a black slave was actually a black man who was part of the elite in Virginia then they took all of his stuff once the laws changed to divide the poor from coming together against their real enemy the oppressive elite.
Candy Crush Saga is rigged in order to try and convince you to throw your hard-earned money in their direction to acquire power-ups. They sporadically make it winnable in order to make you stay clinged, though.
Don't believe me? Play Bejeweled and Paris Hilton's Diamond Quest and then compare the consistency of the difficulty level with Candy Crush's.
Less a conspiracy and more how all free-to-play games are designed to make money.
aris_ada ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:39:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't even hide this, at conferences they exchange tips on how to be more addictive and how to keep the whales. This business has more or less the same ethics as a street drug dealer.
MKibby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whales?
aris_ada ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:16:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The tiny fraction of users who're spending fortunes.
Yeah, I did a study on this and it's pretty nuts. They hire the same dudes that help make casinos inescapable. The games are designed to get you hooked, and then ramp the difficulty right when you're most vulnerable for wanting "one more hit".
It's the major reason why they're usually considered to be objectively bad games - They're designed to be at least slightly too hard to be fair. Otherwise you'd never have to buy anything. It varies, though, and some games take a higher road by keeping the game fun but making payment necessary for cosmetic items, or to reduce grinding, but keeping the game fun for free players as well. You just have to weed through the crap to find the gems.
That's not a conspiracy, that's a common development strategy. And it's why the free to play model is fucked up. All of em are scams that try to take advantage of those who are more prone to this kind of spending addiction. It's fucking evil and there should be a goddamn law, imo.
I think every update they add more. I have no idea how many there currently are
Man_ning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:56 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on 943, never put a cent into the game, but I do believe it, sometimes a super hard level will suddenly get lots of nice colours all in a row, does make me suspicious, then back to nothing good again.
Anti-memory edit and anti cheat tech was good enough to stop me before Candy Crush. Why, then, was it ridiculously easy to use the simplest of Cheat Engine tricks to win every level of Candy Crush?
yeah, he's surprised it's easy to cheat. I'm guessing he's on android. Cheating games on non-jailbroken ios is pretty much impossible.
duuuuumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then to answer their question, enough ignorant people could be counted on to waste money on Candy Crush that they didn't feel the need to spend money adding anti-cheating? Anyways it seems if you could cheat on Candy Crush there is no point to it anyways? I've only played it for like maybe 30 minutes in my life but it seems tremendously pointless if you could cheat... granted I feel that way about pretty much all games. Thanks for the response, in any case.
No problem. i feel like since it's a single player game, there's no real benefit in cheating. You'd be cheating yourself in the end. The game is addictive for its play style. Cheating kills the play style. So they don't care much about cheaters. It's more serious on multiplayer games. 8 ball pool comes to mind, they ban you the second they detect any sus activity
duuuuumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense, that multiplayer games would be more susceptible. Still, what's the point of feeling proud that you have a bot that can win a game for you? The feeling of succeeding on your own with equal odds is so much more satisfying. Granted, I mostly play multiplayer games locally, or mostly shit like darts and pool randomly. I never cheat with them because it wouldn't be any fun to win if l did. I guess I can see how if someone's up against millions of people, with no chance of even being decent, it would feel different. Although at that point I'd say just play a different game, personally.
A lot of the times it's just boredom. I'd be lying if i never cheated or fucked around with mods in some of my favorite games. As much as I despise cheating, especially in multiplayer, there's something about bypassing the rules that makes it so attractive. You play a game for a while, it's great, you despise the cheaters, etc. But, as much as you hate it, you want to try it to see how it is. I'll admit it's stupid fun the first few days but after that, it completely numbs that original dopamine addiction. The game gets beyond boring and you go back to regular play or just leave it altogether. I'm sure most "cheaters" can relate to this life cycle.
duuuuumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf there was one time when GTA Online glitched and I was invincible in the free play mode. I stormed around the map messing with people. Eventually I got kicked by the players(fair play) and when it reloaded a new map I was normal again. But it was tremendous fun while it lasted, though I feel like it would get old faster than playing competitively would, all the same. I get what you're saying, though.
Desktop, and this was like 3 years ago. It was the web version, and I'm saying, if they wanted me to buy the in game shit then they should make the game harder to cheat.
The weak anti cheating measures are most likely purposely designed that way. Cheaters cheat, but that means they're still addicted to the game, which means there's still a chance they'll click the random ad, and maybe even eventually buy shit. etc etc, = happy player, happy devs
especially seeing as it's a single player game. The cheating hurts no one.
You are not helpless in this - either don't play the game or have some self-control when you do play. I've been playing for years - maybe 10-15 minutes every couple of days and never given them a dime. One thing I have noticed is that if I'm not playing for a while and come back CC falls all over itself to let me win and give me boosters.
This is literally how "free to play" makes money. They are designed to be frustrating, not fun. Any free to play with timers, busywork, etc. just feeds on known human emotions/reactions. Also see casinos.
I avoid f2p like the plague. As an adult, I have limited time for gaming, so I don't want to spend it grinding and waiting for timers. I also don't want to have to pay to avoid said things. If the game isn't rewarding or at least fun in and of itself, it's a waste of my time.
You misunderstood that. I pay for content. I don't pay for freemium shit. If I want a good game I buy it. I have over a thousand games on steam that I paid for. Money for entertainment isn't the issue. Having games that make you grind, have timers, etc. that just waste my time is the issue. I've bought probably 50 games for mobile that don't have the freemium model, paid to remove ads from game I enjoyed etc.
It's about a game being fun, not something frustrating that makes you spend money to avoid frustration.
I believe this about the more recent FIFA games too. No matter how long you play that game, you never seem to get to the point where it does what you expect it to.
Yeah, my uncle was driving me and my cousin to see my great grandmother when I was 5 and to keep ourselves entertained we wrote short stories (not very good ones but we were 5 and 6) And mine was about a ninja being bit by a radioactive cat.
The real conspiracy is why this is the first post/comment in the top 200 that even mentions 9/11. CENSORSHIP
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding 9/11, what happened with Building #7? It was never hit by a plane and it's one of the furthest buildings from the towers yet it still collapsed. Doesn't add up...
That Tommy Wiseau, the eccentric and questionable writer and director behind The Room, is actually D. B. Cooper, the man who hijacked a plane for a ransom of several million and then jump out of the plane with the money never to be seen again.
It makes a lot of sense,
He is always avoiding questions about his origins (for example, NC's Shut Up and Talk), Greg (the guy who played Mark) said he is older then he seems,
DB Coopers drawing matches Wiseau very well, plus Wiseau just appeared out of nowhere with a lot of money and made a movie.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:29:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard this but it makes so much fucking sense
hicow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:02:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it doesn't. Wiseau isn't nearly old enough to be DB Cooper.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's plausible since no one really knows how old he is or even where he came from. Says he may have been born in the 50s, which is a stretch but still plausible. He looks pretty damn old too. Harrison Ford was born in '42 for reference. And it would make sense because no one knew where all the money was coming from while making The Room and they thought it was a money laundering/organized crime thing
Peil ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:17:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was born in Poznan, in Poland
barto5 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:54:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's BS. The money DB Cooper stole was all marked and it's never turned up in circulation. It's a great story but the - by far - most likely scenario is he died somewhere in the wilderness where he jumped.
hicow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:30:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would have been far too young if he'd been born in the '50s. Cooper was estimated to have been around 40 at the time, and most of the suspects were born in the '20s-'30s. Wiseau might be young for his age, but I doubt he's that old.
JacP123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:43:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is, wiseau would have been 4 years old during the copper heist. Or you believe wiseau has a forged birth certificate. In which case he would be between the ages of 68 and 75 based on descriptions of cooper. No way he's that old.
Timmy Wiseau looks like he could easily be 70 so I would not rule out that possibility. In fact many of his colleagues have said they believe he is much older that he says he is. A quick google search will show that this man has a very unclear and sketchy background that warrants suspicion about his history.
Kinda late to the party, but the US is in Afghanistan to put pressure on the surrounding countries (China, India, Russia, Iran). The US has been hostile to most of these countries, and may want to keep some in line, or to make sure they don't try any funny moves. But if you see where Afghanistan is on a map and it's neighbors, you can see it's the perfect military base.
[deleted] ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 01:54:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if you see where Afghanistan is on a map and it's neighbors, you can see it's the perfect military base.
Counterpoint: a country that's good as a military base is equally good as a hub of international terrorism, the stated goal of US involvement in the region.
Small price to pay when you consider risk-reward. Attack a US base vs. global influence?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not true. That kind of centralized location is useful when your assets are as large and cumbersome as the US military. But terrorists are typically one or two man missions (at least today), so being in afghanistan if your target is in china isn't really that much more convenient than being anywhere else in the world. So if you are a terrorist group, either way your operatives are gonna hop a plane/train and get there ahead of time by like a day, so proximity isn't as much of an issue.
[deleted] ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 02:16:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Through Afghanistan we have the rest of the region under our direct influence, keep in mind that the Suez canal in in the area as well and the fact that Saudi Arabia is set to get rather spicy once the current king dies and the 5000 princes start squabbling.
But we already have bases in Djibouti, Kenya, the UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, and more. British bases in Cyprus and elsewhere could also be used. Afghanistan is pretty awful relative to all those.
Additionally, Afghanistan is landlocked. All supplies have to be brought in via the neighbouring countries, at great political cost. Furthermore, the locals are not adversed to taking the odd pot shot at your security forces. On the upside, Afghanistan has beautiful scenery and landscapes.
This also ensures India and Iran can't trade between themselves. The instability also fucks up any land possible trade routes between Asia and Europe or in-between Asian countries.
But were they really going to use a land route for that. No this is where the efforts with KSA come in. You can't have Iran closing off the Strait of Hormuz again so you make sure the South side of the Persian Gulf is in your pocket. Another example being Kuwait and Bubiyan Island.
You are misusing hostile dramatically. Things haven't been great with those countries but there have not been open hostility with most of them for 20+ years.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War? What war? This is our new home away from home!
riptaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:36:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might make sense if NATO and Iraq didn't exist. Not to mention aircraft carriers. A decade long trillion dollar war for one shitty midsized airfield... =\
Yes obviously you know more. Nato is not as powerful as you might think. And to suggest Iraq is a pillar of stability is ridiculous.
But I agree. Aircraft carriers are essential. That is why we have 10x as many as anyone else.
riptaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno why I said Iraq, I was thinking of Turkey. NATO being powerful or not is beside the point. We can use airspace and military bases in other NATO countries, projecting our power.
Turkey is for sure more reliable than Iraq, I will give you that. But I can't help but think you made that "typo" intentionally.
And to your second point, I'd rather not trust anyone other than ourselves. To suggest any nation in Europe is capable of or dedicated to protecting the West from islamitization is up for debate to say the least. They are letting everyone in and have seen a noticeable uptick in terrorism.
Remember the recent attack in London?
If your answer is anything other than "which one", you are full of shit.
riptaway ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:17:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a typo. It's an entire word I spelled that way intentionally. It's just not what I was thinking of. Not sure why you would think it was intentional? Not sure what the point would be.
Anyway, until aircraft and troops and vehicles can travel thousands of miles in minutes and over ocean, it doesn't matter what you'd rather, we need foreign bases to conduct foreign wars successfully. At least, if we want boots on the ground and for those boots to stay there, get fed, get rotated out, etc.
And islamitization? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking about more or less conventional wars, or at least wars conducted by our military against forces in other countries. Counter terrorism is completely different and certainly doesn't require the logistics of an entire army.
You're kind of losing the plot here
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:23:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... how is mixing up Iraq and Turkey in any way misleading to the point of benefit? Yes, they're both muslim dominant nations, but we have military bases, NATO alliance, and nukes in Turkey. Iraq, we just have some bases, but they're not very relevant to the conversation aside from his typo.
But as far as NATO goes, it wasn't created to defend against Muslims. It's a treaty that was formed in response to the Soviet Bloc. Had Ukraine been able to become part of NATO, they probably wouldn't be in their current state. As it stands, NATO is likely one of the key factors protecting Poland from any Russian aggression, and absolutely deterred Russian/Soviets from messing with Turkey and put us in striking distance too.
Unless an organized army of Muslims come out of nowhere and invades Europe (or Turkey, which is kinda Europe-ish). There are no fundamentalist muslim militaries who could pose a threat to any single NATO nation, let alone any muslim nation willing to get their ass kicked by doing something so stupid. We (the USA) sell guns to most of the idiots. They're too busy fighting amongst themselves to be a threat i.e. Iran vs Saudi, Saudi vs Yemen etc.
riptaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My contention is that you are an islam sympathizer.
Lol. Have a good one, retard
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 10:50:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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riptaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is we? I was in the Army. I walked around Baghdad, Iraq with impunity while the local population snivelled and the people fighting us hid and pissed themselves when we rolled by.
So who are you waiting for?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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riptaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. What country? Are you retarded or maybe disturbed?
Let India deal with them. They're nuclear too, and have way more people. Plus, they're too busy being at each other's throats, and India has Muslim Bangladesh behind them because they don't get along with Pakistan either.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gee, idk, there was that one time the most wanted man in the world was living in a compound miles from the Pakistani equivalent of West Point.
In fact, the Obama admin was so mistrustful of their "ally", that he ordered a military op that brazenly violated their airspace and sovereignty and only alerted them when he knew it would be impossible to tip Osama off or capture the military team.
At best, they are allies of convenience. Both are huge threats that destabilize the region and fund terrorist activities that target the US/West/Other nations.
Pakistan and Saudi are enemies of the free, peaceful world.
I think the phrase often used regarding the US and these countries is "You can pay a girl to fuck you, but that doesn't make her your girlfriend."
It's a complicated situation, that simple words like friend and enemy don't work for. I mean what do you call it when you give country A $X billion dollars so that they can fund organizations to destabilize country B (thereby making it letter-of-the-law legal for you) and they then skim a percentage to destabilize other countries (including you!)?
Afghanistan doesn't have any ports, especially deep water ports, which makes it shit for logistical operations and therefore as a permanent military base.
skljom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To add to this, read the Grand Chessboard, written by the foreign advisor to 4 presidents and the foreign advisor to Obama during the primaries. There is a reason we helped push back USSR from Afghanistan only to set up bases throughout the Middle East to then call for a "new Pearl Harbor" to invade it ourselves. 9/11.
I hate to break it to you, but there is absolutely zero cohesive US foreign policy. I wish there were, and I wish some smart people were actually orchestrating SOMETHING, but, there aren't smart people in high places in government (because there's no money in it) and what there is, ain't up to anything that makes any sense. Incompetence. That's all there is. It ain't sexy or glamorous, so it'll never sell.
This explains why you can look across lake Michigan from Indiana to Chicago and see the skylines, with the buildings being on the same level and not lower from the curve of the earth.
What if you put your binoculars/telescope on a spirit level, so you'd know if you were actually looking perpendicular to where you're standing, instead of directly at Chicago?
Banks & the government artificially and cyclically raise and lower flood insurance rates to gather, then sell real estate.
The cycle goes something like this.
Property values rise, water view properties rise faster, but also need flood insurance. Flood insurance rates are lowered so water front properties can really explode.
Insurance and government decide, fuck it, let's raise flood insurance (happening now). Rates go up until the right amount of people have to foreclose. This can be timed to go with a general downturn in property values (they should level off in a year or two).
Eventually, people can't afford their properties. Also, waterfront property values will drop if insurance is insane. So, people who can't afford their bills and also can't afford to sell (sellers who would have to bring cash to closing), they let the banks take over - foreclose - on their property.
Over time, the banks/government acquire lots and lots of properties. Now, they want to maximize these assets. So, they drop Flood Insurance because they can, then people start buying in again at low rates. Then, the land values skyrocket again, and the cycle begins anew.
*Oh, and while I'm at it. Snapchat is perfecting facial recognition tech that governments/advertisters will use for mass surveillance. "I can't believe big brother is trying to record everywhere we go... Hey big brother, can you scan my face so I look like a dog?"
Federal Flood Insurance is something that I don't think should exist. If a private insurance company won't insure your home then there's a good reason why, and the government shouldn't subsidize people's homes like that. People in the west don't get subsidized earthquake insurance and people in the midwest don't get subsidized tornado insurance, so why give people near water special treatment?
bende511 ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 00:11:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flood insurance is really tough on a private company because the risk is highly correlated. With most kinds of home insurance, like for example fire insurance, the risk that all of the homes insured by the same company catching on fire at the same time is low, whereas with flood insurance, the risk of all the homes flooding at the same time is nearly certain. So in the event that a payout is needed, the insurance company is certain to go bankrupt, and the homeowners will also be fucked. Hence the need for the government, which can afford to take a loss, to sell flood insurance in particular.
Which is why all the major insurance companies don't cover hurricane insurance in Florida. Our house is insured by some fly-by-night company that almost certainly wouldn't be able to pay out in the event that our brand new, up-to-code, fancy-impact-glass-having house is damaged. Hope FEMA has their shit together if it ever happens, because that's who we'd be relying on.
Eshin242 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:08:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope Trump actually appoints someone to head FEMA as well as NOAA. Might be nice to have someone there to do the job when it happens.
dbag127 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:49:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know an equestrian trainer who would be perfect for the job!
This is an example of government correcting a market failure
anti_dan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, its government hiding the true cost of living places that flood. Just a regular old subsidy for a politically powerful group, and a great example of public choice.
Yes it is a subsidy. So in your view, nobody would live on the coast, basically deleting all industry and tax income there, unless they could afford to personally insure themselves?
anti_dan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People would totally live there. Rich people. However, the home prices would be cheap. Yes, it would reduce tax income, for those states from property taxes, but that money could be made up in sales taxes because now the people pay less for rent and prop taxes.
People lived on the coast long before federal flood insurance, and people lived along the Mississippi in flood plains before it as well. Housing was just cheaper, and people who worked there got a kind of "hazard pay" in salaries.
recidivx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since the government can manipulate the weather I have a hard time thinking this isn't a conspiracy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:09:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why all the earthquake insurance in California is actually managed by The California Earthquake Authority, regardless of what company the homeowner bought the insurance through. Because last time there was a large one a lot of companies folded or played games with payouts.
TofuTofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If no company can make it work, then perhaps we shouldn't be building houses in these areas.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. A place can be unlivable for five days out of a 10 year period and it doesn't mean no one should live there. It means people should plan for those five days to not cause catastrophic consequences.
There is no place to live that has no risk of catastrophe. The unique nature of catastrophes that affected everyone in the area at once is something a private company can't weather.
It's like living on an island that needs a bridge to access. None of the individuals on the island can afford the bridge, themselves, but together and over time the bridge is totally affordable. But the time component of the equation is important.
Apply the time portion to the flood insurance equation and it comes out worth building there. You just can't expect a private company to keep that kind of money lying around waiting an indefinite amount of time for something bad to happen. Businesses don't leave money lying around. They can't and they shouldn't in order to stay viable. But they need access to large amounts as needed. That's what the subsidies do.
I think it's the least worse scenario. Floods generally aren't localized and when they occur, they damage huge swathes of property. Insurance companies are too inept or can't charge enough to cover these losses.
So, after a big flood, if all these people are suddenly homeless and can't rebuild, then what? The government is still kind of on the hook for their well-being anyhow.
That last part is the real kicker. The government would have to support those people anyway if they list everything Might as well get them to help pay for it in the form of premiums. And then they have the ability to Tenille and become connecting members of dickey again target than being on government assistance after they lose everything.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On top of that- OP stated tornado and earthquake insurance. My completely uneducated guess is that we do not need people living in earthquake or hurricane prone areas. We DO need people living near waterways. At least historically, anyway. This country ships billions of tons on waterways every year.
Well earthquake, tornado, and hurricane prone areas are huge areas. If nobody lived in those you would disqualify over half the country from being habitable.
Also tornados/earthquakes don't tend to knock out zillions of houses all at once. They might damage a bunch of houses but they won't demo them the way a flood will.
Most insurance will cover tornado, but certain areas will have higher deductibles for wind and hail. Earth movement (including setting), earthquake, and flood are catastrophic losses that can hit a very large area with little to no warning and most insurance won't cover.
The government is still kind of on the hook for their well-being anyhow
They may be on the hook, but they shouldn't be. It's create a moral hazard. If the government wasn't involved real estate developers, insurance company's, etc. would be forced to find a solution to the problem. The solution probably isn't apparent now, but that doesn't mean there isn't one that doesn't include the government.
Cypraea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:49:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because rich people.
Rich people and their fucking multimilliondollar barrier island homes in hurricane-infested latitudes.
Disposable, replaceable mansions, with Mother Nature doing most of the demolition.
I mean, the California Earthquake Authority is a thing...
Frykitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is I am required by the federal government to have flood insurance now. If I am ever caught not having it, it could be on a rental property or a homeowners property I get nothing. FEMA does not cover you if you don't have it. However you can be hit by a tornado and the flooding and FEMA will cover both events.
Thankfully I can afford this, many people around me can not. So the federal government subsidies. Many people still can't afford it even at this discounted rate, so if they have another flooding event they will be unable to repair their homes. (This has already happen and I know people who are living in homes that should be condemned but they have no other place to go)
You know maybe, juuuust maybe the lending standards should be a little higher in these areas. It may not seem fair, but neither is having the tax payer cover the bill when you can't afford to fix your home. I understand some losses may be total losses, and not everyone would be able to totally replace their home. Then again, they probably shouldn't live in an area prone to flooding.
Frykitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you never have to use FEMA. The state of Louisiana pays into it. Every state does. It's like the state paying insurance to the feds. FEMA does not normally supply enough money to rebuild your home. They do provide loans that have to be paid back and emergency cash assistance so you can get into a hotel in a safe location and buy a few necessities. Most of FEMA money goes to the state/local government to repair the damage. Like streets, drainage, etc.
As for living in flood prone areas, well that's a lot of places. Rivers shift, as seen by the massive flooding in Northern states along the Mississippi river. Northern Louisiana had flooding where it had never flooded before. California, Arizona and Texas also experienced flooding. This isn't to account for Hurricane Sandy that decimated the North East a few years ago. It's not like people are sitting here waiting for their houses to flood. Flooding is often times unpredictable, but once it's happen you must maintain flood insurance. (FEMA will assist you for the money your homeowners and flood insurance doesn't cover. Say you had 100k in damage, only 90k insurance, then FEMA will provide you a 10k loan)
Frykitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:23 on August 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you ok with the current storm? Do you need help? Do you need info on FEMA claims? I'm not trying to be patronising, I am genuinely concerned about your well being.
If someone buys a house they can barely afford, which is common, then property values go up and taxes along with it. Then Flood insurance goes up a couple hundred a month, this can be quite a burden. Any extra financial strain at this point can lead to foreclosure.
Also, different types of flood zones react differently. The AE - 1/100 annual chance of flooding will stay flatter than say the VE - velocity flood zone along a river.
The banks make money all the way by servicing these flood insurance policies. Then banks make more when the rates rise. Then people can't afford it the banks get the land, then they really make money.
It's been going up 25% a year and the insurance folks I talked to said it will continue into the near future. Funny thing is, I don't think rising water levels play a role in their methodology.
I'm a Canadian that works in the real estate insurance industry. Canada has laws against the bank side of a company and insurance side being under the same management to prevent issues like this. (conflicts of interest)
umm what? why do you automatically lose your home if you cant afford the associated costs of ownership? you sell it to a willing buyer. maybe you lose money, maybe you make it but you dont lose your home to the bank.
I agree, a lot of people stay put. There are a lot of costs to selling a house that can ruin any profit margin. Most people don't have $20K to throw away when they SELL their house
Does it? Let's look at the later stages of the cycle. Say you bought your property after rock bottom for $500K, you're retired, on fixed income and spent a chunk on the down payment. Property values go up to $600K, then bottom up around $400K. So, you now have a house you can't afford, because you're still paying off that $500K mortgage and flood insurance rates went up. They're going up 25% a year, and that cycle has just started. FI rates on a 500K house would probably started around $6K-$7K a year. Every 25% increase is $1500 bucks. Property taxes can go up too, and there can be a lag effect. There are all the other expenses involved with staying alive that aren't getting cheaper.
So, if you're just trying to have a chill retirement with a nice view. You're in a house that is becoming increasingly unaffordable, so you want to sell. Your $500K purchase is now only worth $400K. Ok, how much equity have you put into it? If it's more than $150K, you may be able to break even, but probably not (closing costs). That means that a cash strapped person will have to come up with the difference, in cash, at closing, just to get rid of their house. In order to have a free and clear title, the bank is legally entitled to receive the remainder of that mortgage. No one will assume that mortgage that is $100K overvalued, plus that's just a mess. Furthermore, if the house is owned by some people who are scraping by, the house deteriorates quickly, roof leaks pop up, appliances start falling apart, etc. this all negatively affects resale value if they're not fixed.
What a lot of people do with a house they can't afford and can't afford to sell is just let it ride out. They'll quit making payments, quit maintaining until they're eventually kicked out. I've heard stories of people living in places for years before the bank got around to kicking them out. It sucks, but sometimes that's the least worst option.
Then the bank gets a ton of decrepit properties that they've foreclosed on (and let sit unattended for often years). They have 1000's of these properties. Now, it's in their best interest to unload these things at a higher price. What better way quickly increase property value than to lower insurance rates?
There are more factors at play, but I've rambled long enough, I hope it makes sense now.
I can't understand how any of this makes sense to you... Is this like a personal issue for you or something? Idk anyone that would pick losing a home to the bank for defaulting on payments over selling at a loss. Even a massive loss. The hit to your credit alone makes it insane.
Look I get people can't make mortgage payments for a host of reasons, but it's not because flood insurance breaks them. Only a fool would allow such a tiny thing to unbalance their budget and destroy their credit.
Not personal. I sell real estate and invest. Even with the modest flood insurance rates we currently enjoy, it's a deal breaker with a lot of sales. I refuse to buy in flood zones. It's like throwing 2 months rent into a fiery pit each year. My one rental clears $750 a month, if that house was in the least risky FZ, it'd be about $1500/year insurance, maybe more. Most buyers don't want to deal with it, so, it lower prices in FZ's. Next year, the anticipated bump up would eat another month's rent.
The same applies for buyers. My mom even, she's in a FZ because of a manmade lake. If rates keep going up, it's more money into a pit. It's not going to break a lot of people, but from my experience, it's a very touchy thing, increases throw everything out of whack. People who are on the border of affordability, it can push it over the edge. A lot of people buy houses at the very top of their budget.
You realize FZ often equals water front which also equals higher rent than your non water front property right? You shouldn't be renting water front for the same as your non WF properties.
And again... How does 1k or even 2k a year push you to forclosure? That's such horrible money management. I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
in the US, yes. your town, county, and state all have a say in the process but not the feds. you're also legally allowed to appeal your property's assessed value every year at both the county and state level, but theres nothing you can really do about the towns tax rate.
How about don't build a fucking house on low lying land and quit feeding the fucking machine? I'd love it if we got completely rid of flood insurance altogether. All it's done is encourage risky decision making. Libertarian wank fantasy, tho. Never gonna happen. People get the government they deserve.
Yes. Flood insurance is a pretty popular 'program'. There's no way people are going to vote to get rid of it. And Libertarians like me are all off in la la land railing against the machine while it only grows bigger and stronger every year (even, well, especially under 'conservative' administrations). Our efforts have been mostly futile. I even consider concealed carry laws to be a failure, as one should never, ever ask permission to exercise a right. Fantasy, and in my case, withdrawal, is all we're left with. But hey, I'll have a nice view of the slow motion poo-pocalypse from here.
I believe that unhealthy dietary habits are encouraged in order to profit from the needs of an unhealthy populace.
ikorolou ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:15:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the Food Pyramid (wheel, plate, whatever they're calling it nowadays) is put out by the US Department of Agriculture, not a medical organization. It is, or at least was when I was a kid, a big promoter of grains, dairy, and meat because those are large sections of US agriculture. So definitely the healthiest diet choices, for example promoting a fiber-rich diet over a diary-rich diet, aren't coming out of all government agencies. (edit: I picked a shitty example)
But other organizations like the FDA do recommend better things now, something like a plate that I think was tied to Michelle Obama's initiative.
ikorolou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:48:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was just tryna give credence to the idea that some organizations put out something that is branded "healthy" when it has agendas other than promoting health.
2gig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:40:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plate "graph" from Michelle Obama's initiative is a huge improvement over the food pyramid (though pretty much anything would be, that thing was ass-backwards aside from telling you to minimize candy), but it's not without issue. Aside from being overly vague, the big issue is that it still underplays the value/importance of protein. Which leads into another conspiracy, actually.
Protein is the most important macronutrient. It's a huge part of what out bodies are built of, and one of the major building blocks that most frequently needs replenishing. Additionally, it is the most satiating macronutrient (you feel more full per calorie), which helps a great deal for losing fat and keeping fat off.
So anyway, the conspiracy... I think that if everyone in the United States was conscious of how valuable protein is to the body and attempted to consume the ideal amount of protein in their diet, prices would shoot through the roof. The farming of most protein sources (animal, which is also the most complete protein source for amino acid profile) are also pretty harsh on the environment for multiple reasons. Thus the government downplays protein's importance to keep consumption at sustainable levels.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The food Pyramid was created by Sweden in 1972 during a price raise in food to promote healthy eating habits using cheap food.
2gig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is, unless the Swedish pyramid is drastically different, it doesn't promote healthy eating habits at all. The portion of grain relative to everything else is insanely unhealthy.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the one in the US is there to promote American farmers
2gig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is put out by the US Department of Agriculture, not a medical organization.
It was put out jointly by the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Health and Human Services.
the healthiest diet choices, for example promoting a fiber-rich diet over a diary-rich diet
This doesn't entirely make sense. Fiber itself doesn't really do a great deal for health (it's nutrient void, but it'll help you shit). Fiber rich foods include vegetables, which are indeed very healthy for you, but that has little to nothing to do with their fiber content. Conversely, plenty of grains are rich in fiber, but they're still grains and loaded with mostly-empty carbs, thus not so great for health.
Moving away from dairy doesn't make a great deal of sense, either. Dairy has a good balance of macronutrients, as well as a decent helping of micronutrients. One of those macronutrients it supplies is a hearty helping of protein, which is generally the least abundant in other foods, and the most satiating (helps you eat less). A big problem with dairy is that people get the low-fat/fat-free versions, which are often loaded with simple sugars to make up for the loss of flavor, making them actually much more unhealthy. People need to get over the misconception that fat the micronutrient is primarily responsible for fat the adipose tissue on your body; it's just an unfortunate, misleading homograph.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fair enough I did pick a shitty comparison, and I will edit my original comment to reflect that
Elcatro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about something like this a few months back, how easy it would be to use special offers (Buy one get one free, half price, etc) to get people to eat the foods you want them to eat.
Absolutely. Also processed sugar is in almost everything, so everyone is literally addicted. In the same way that an addict can't think clearly between drug usage, same goes for us with sugar.
There are many, many documentaries on this...all interesting and tough to watch with the knowledge gained.
Best way to massively increase your wealth if you are multi-billionaire is trading currency in artificially designed wars.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:25:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps before 1940s. There were no major first-world wars since WW2, and you won't get that rich from speculating third world currencies (liquidity is less than you'd think). If you have the ability to start wars, there are many better ways to get richer (war financing, energy / raw resources speculation, etc.)
TCnup ยท 340 points ยท Posted at 02:44:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What people don't realize is that blind doesn't mean 100% loss of vision. People can be legally blind but still make out some shadows and lights. Not to mention after a long time of being blind, you get used to it and can function like a sighted person (like being able to hear where people are standing).
Source: uncle is blind from birth, and a former president of his chapter of the NFB. He used to chase me around the yard when I was little, had enough residual vision to make out human-blobs.
My grandparents used to volunteer at the center for the blind in Hollywood, and there are many different ways the eyes can fail resulting in many different kinds of blindness.
I've known blind people who can still "see" and even read, but theres no way that they would be capable of operating any kind of vehicle, or navigate a large city.
Stevie Wonder is irrefutably blind yes, how blind is a different question all together.
My mother has been legally blind since she was a child. Can't see anything more than a foot in front of her face really. Ended up working out for me as all our TV's have been fucking massive to compensate.
I'm gonna give you a tip. When you're interested in something, open up google.com. Now enter what you want to see in there. Entering something like "stevie wonder catching mic stand" would suffice, as would things like "stevie wonder not blind video". It's really easy, google will find the things you want to see without relying on other people to link you to things. The things you'll find while searching can be really interesting. Give it a try, you'll no longer be at the mercy of internet strangers to show you things you're interested in seeing!
I've worked with people blind from birth in a school for disabled children, that used to be a school for just blind and visually impaired kids.
I knew a few kids who exhibited this behaviour - there was a real temporary employee culture at the school at the time, and many were young (19-25) people from Australia and New Zealand. So there were plenty of attractive ladies working at the school at any given time.
This would usually have been seen as an awesome perk to the job, but that I worked in a class with a kid very similar to Stevie Wonder in a lot of ways. Talented musician, similar mannerisms, but this kid had high functioning autism on top. He did not like it when he did not get his way, and as he got older, "his way" was often to do with where the attractive lady staff were. If there was a young attractive lady in our class, he'd do exactly the kind of behaviours you mentioned. Much more touchy - far too much so for what most of us would consider socially acceptable. There were many problems regarding this conflict :/
They have other ways of knowing things in general too. I loved sneaking up on this kid for example and tickling him - mostly because he loved it and it gave us a chance to bond so he may listen to me more in difficult situations. I once decided I would stand on his usual route out of the lunch hall and onto the playground and be completely silent, just to surprise him - he was getting used to my sneaking technique by this point. When he got close to me he flinched as if he knew I was there about to pounce - but I hadn't moved an inch.
Needless to say this freaked me out a bit, so I asked him how he knew I was there. He said there was a "sound shadow". The noise of the playground dampened down an unusual amount - compared to what was normal for him.
I have a hundred stories like this, it's really amazing how the human brain can adapt to losing a sense.
Whoa! My cousin does that too! I'll try and sneak up at her(silently as fucking possible) and she'll sigh, and say to get out of her way. I asked her how she knew i was there and she says "Idk, it's like when you say you feel someone watching you, well the closest feeling i have to that is a feeling like someone is near me in a quiet area."
Fucking fascinating. I really think it has to do with the electromagnetism the body can adapt itself to feel since it lacks sight. But idk
PCav1138 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:18:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more to do with the ambient noise in the area being "blocked" or "muffled" by your body. Turn a fan or A/C on in one room, and go into the next room with the door open. Now don't look, but have someone walk in front of that door. You'll know exactly when they step in front of the door because of the change in sound. The same is probably true with ambient noise, such as on a playground, but is more easily detected by people who rely on their ears more than those who don't.
spongish ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:14:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do spooky ghosts have any effect on these sounds?
PCav1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! If you believe in that sort of thing, perhaps. Maybe poltergeists, since they are capable of having physical interactions with objects, so they may interact with sound vibrations. I don't particularly believe in ghosts though.
Eyes also have the ability to see without the mind knowing they can see. There have been studies of blind people being able to see movement even without being able to see.
If the eyes are still in tact, they can still be taking in data, just the conscious mind can't interpret it, but the subconscious mind can.
it's not quite that, we had Daniel Kish visit the school once and teach a few kids how to use it at a very basic level.
He essentially knew the school backwards in his head - he'd been there since he was a small child.
He was also very good at using sound already present as a way of echolocating, but it was a very self taught level.
But he didn't make his own noise like Daniel Kish.
While it might also have to to with the fact that they started making new movies recently.
Then again, the day Netflix put out a old show / movie, reddit is flooded with things related to it.
For example, they added Matrix to their collection recently.... And now all of a sudden bunch of fan theories floating around and "people" "randomly" quoting the movie or recommending it on comments.
When P&R was added, the exact same day a P&R department of an unnamed city was planned to do an AMA. But they all refused to identify themselves and all of them.... An entire department of people, claimed to have never seen a very popular show that is about their department
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:02:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah you're so right, no one has ever said that the prequels are trash before.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i was being snarky but i see what you mean now. sorry
Kwetla ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:34:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was originally written to be one of the villains (likely in Dooku's position), but George Lucas changed his mind after The Phantom Menace was released.
JFK abolishes the use of the Federal Reserve and then 2-3 days after he is assassinated, LBJ signs the Federal Reserve back into use...
Lots of money to be made on supplying the US with Money on a 3% interest loan.
I believe that someone very wealthy had him assassinated.
Timigos ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:04:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you referring to executive order 11110? It's my understanding that may have limited the power of the federal reserve by some measure, but did not abolish it.
I think is safe to say John was murdered by a Joint operation of several agencies.. Not only because he wanted to limit the Federal Reserve's power but he also wanted to dismantle the CIA among other things as far as I know.
Your pretty close but there's way more too it, basically there's been a battle waging between gold and silver standards for yonks (bryant v mckinley for instance) with the bankers/fed on the side of gold (rare, easily monopolized.)
What jfk did is order the minting of silver dollars which was a shot across the bow of the fed so they reacted, with extreme predjudice.
Fun fact, every assassinated president fought the fed and the fed won every time except for Jackson, that man was a force of nature.
Pylons ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:15:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true at all. The government had been issuing silver certificates since 1878. Kennedy didn't order printing of silver dollars - he actively pushed legislation to do the opposite and increased, not decreased the power of the Fed by allowing them to print smaller denominations of bills.
"I again urge a revision in our silver policy to reflect the status of silver as a metal for which there is an expanding industrial demand. Except for its use in coins, silver serves no useful monetary function.
In 1961, at my direction, sales of silver were suspended by the Secretary of the Treasury. As further steps, I recommend repeal of those Acts that oblige the Treasury to support the price of silver; and repeal of the special 50-percent tax on transfers of interest in silver and authorization for the Federal Reserve System to issue notes in denominations of $1, so as to make possible the gradual withdrawal of silver certificates from circulation and the use of the silver thus released for coinage purposes. I urge the Congress to take prompt action on these recommended changes"
I hate the FED as much as anyone, but your reasoning isn't sound. All you have to do to make money (or slowly lose it to inflation) on government debt is to buy treasury bonds. The real outrage the FED has done, and acknowledges that it's backed into a corner now, is buying up wealthy people's bad investments (a bit of evil...for the greater good?). There is NOTHING new under the sun. All central banks eventually do this. Bank of Japan owns a majority of the Nikkei now. They're completely fucked and they know it. You can't print real production or real prosperity. There's no way for the BOJ, FED, or ECB to sell their portfolios without crashing the whole world economy. This can go on for several more decades, but eventually it'll have to stop. Prepare accordingly.
I doubt I'm the first person to come up with this, but I've long believed that the reason the US always seems to always be involved in some military action is actually because the Pentagon wants to keep our military ready and trained for a more serious conflict. They want to make sure they always have combat experienced, battle-hardened veterans ready for a 'real' war should it break-out.
That's not why the US gets involved, but it is well known and documented that an armed conflict every 15 years is somewhat necessary to keep soldiers experienced.
I understand it in theory, but i dont know how well it works in practice. we have so many different soldiers all around the world, and the vast majority of them never see any of conflict or fighting. I mean, pilots will still fly, mechanics will still mechanic, and soldiers will still practice hiking and shooting and what not, but actual combat and not just drills, well its really quite rare to see that.
Noble06 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:16:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah but at least some have experience and they will rise in ranks to be the leaders in the case of a massive troop buildup.
you dont just magically get promoted if you see combat. thats not how it works at all. i mean, promotions are different for different branches sure, but thats called a step promotion and they are both very rare, and very hard to get. that said, any medals or impressive things you've aquired can still help. but not as much as you might expect. link
Noble06 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:05:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if there is a draft like during ww2 the experiences troops will end up commanding the new ppl coming in.
I suppose, but shit would REALLY have to hit the fan for that to happen. like, world war 3 nukes dropping. in which case, honestly, more feet on the ground wouldnt even make that big a deal if everybodys dying from bombs.
skylarmt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So any day now then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fighting an insurgency is very difficult for traditional armies who learn tactics from traditional field manuals. Having someone who has experience fighting an insurgent army is extremely valuable.
What he is saying is that if a other major conflict broke out, something that required a draft, then the veteran core of the military would form the Cadre of the new conscript military. He's not wrong. There is precedent for this and was a key part of early US military policy. If something like WW2 happened again you would see a lot of junior officers and reservists move up the grades very quickly as well as many of the prewar enlisted find themselves made into NCOs. Look at some of the better known commanders in WW2, many of them were O4 and O5 at the beginning of the war and ended up with stars on their shoulders before the end. Eisenhower spent the time between WW1 and WW2 as a major and by October 1941 was a Brigadier General. After almost 20 years as a major jumping three grades in less than a year is crazy to think about for the modern US military but it happened. By the end of the war just 4 years later he was the highest ranking allied commander. They had to give Washington another star so Eisenhower didn't outrank him.
ePants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand it in theory, but i dont know how well it works in practice. we have so many different soldiers all around the world, and the vast majority of them never see any of conflict or fighting.
Even in an active war, the majority will not see combat. The more technology used by the military, the more support is required.
There used to be a saying in the Marines that for every pair of boots on the ground, it takes ten in the rear - meaning for every person in active combat, there are ten more who don't see combat but are enabling them to do their jobs.
Another old expression is that anyone not a grunt existed to provide "the three B's" - Beans, Bullets, and Bandaids (food, ammo, medical). They've since added more B's to the list of things grunts need to be provided with: Badguys and Batteries(Intel and electronic support)
The support infrastructure of the military is huge - the majority will never see combat, but that's ok. Only those who are expected to perform in combat need the intervals of experience to pass on their training.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well. There is the argument that you have to use your army in an armed confluct every so often since it would otherwise seem like a huge waste of money to your citizens.
Do you have any stats on that? I feel like I know way to many veterans with PTSD for no one being involved in combat. I know tone is hard to read in text but I'm genuinely curious, not trying to cause a problem. I'd appreciate any insight you have.
bhamnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:30 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PTSD doesn't just come from combat. A huge amount of sufferers never saw a battle, and many didn't even deploy.
I don't have any statistics but the idea that PTSD is very common in the military and has, apparently, nothing to do with being deployed sounds like bullshit. Obviously you can get PTSD without being deployed or even being in the military, but it's very common in the military for a reason, and I think that reason is that they are asked to put their lives at risk over and over. Do you have any actual information on this?
bhamnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:05 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Another large scale study of 50,184 active military duty and Reserve/National Guard personnel reported an overall prevalence of new-onset PTSD based on the self-report PCL of 7.6 โ 8.7% among those who were both deployed and reporting combat exposures, compared to 1.4 โ2.1% of deployers not reporting combat exposures and 2.3 โ 3.0% of non-deployers"
Higher rates there for those who never deployed, vs those who deployed in non-combat roles.
I'm confused, the way I read that is that the people who were deployed and saw combat have more PTSD than either other group (~8% vs. ~2%). Combat of course can lead to PTSD.
bhamnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:33 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, thats right. If you refer back to my original comment, I said
PTSD doesn't just come from combat. A huge amount of sufferers never saw a battle, and many didn't even deploy.
It's a common misconception that veterans can only have PTSD if they were in the firefight - being shot at, and shooting others. You can see in some of those links its even been argued in court with regards to insurance coverage. However non-combat PTSD in veterans is an issue, and should be treated equally as combat related.
came here to say this. where the hell would we even get the data. we havent seen very evenly matched conflict in general in over 30 years to even draw on this. i mean in history we could look for patterns, but it would be awfully tricky and i doubt anyones put in the work yet.
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:44 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you don't have other people actually shooting to try and kill you in those scenarios. Part of the training is simply being stoic in those situations.
My point is that 95% of the military never will have people shooting at them, even if we're in an active conflict. Wars aren't going to be won with infantry like they were 100 years ago.
USA quite blatantly orchestrates the favourable conditions for war to break out all over the place so they can have an excuse to bust out their latest war tech.
riptaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it is well known and documented that an armed conflict every 15 years is somewhat necessary to keep soldiers experienced
Uh... link to this documentation? And with 15 years in between "experience gathering", all those with experience transition out of the military, thus negating all that experience gained. Makes no sense
And to test new weapon systems.
Latest theatres of war were/have been like the steps of testing in a laboratory.
1991 Iraq is sunny (no heavy rains, so you can test laser guided bombs at night), has plain deserts (to test ranged weapons).
2001 "We're doing well in dry, plain terrain, we should add mountains!" Afghanistan.
2017 Mountains, forests and some rain Korea?
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:00 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, that means New Zealands next.
ZAVHDOW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have WMD's. Welsh Massive Dicks.
Nymaz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:19:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was worried about that, so I asked one of my whale friends if he knew any other whales that were acting as headquarters for ISIS and he told me "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO", so I think we're OK.
I'm not going to bother to refute your individual points dude, but Jesus, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk where I first read it (maybe /k/) but someone pointed out that we wouldn't have a lot of our more advanced military tech today if we weren't fighting an asymmetrical war against insurgents because in a full-blown military v military conflict we'd be more likely to just mass-produce what works rather than experiment with gadgets.
The US military was moving much faster than anticipated toward the Iraqi capital in 2003 - logistics and supply is having trouble keeping up... record unseasonable sandstorms suddenly happen slowing progress and preventing Iraqi forces from effective counter assault while supply catches up with the tip of the spear... just a lucky coincidence of course.
The US Military is our big, socialist jobs program. Even if you're not employed directly as a service man or woman, the many military contracts keep American manufacturing, engineering, and shipping companies busy, busy, busy. American taxpayers are funding military expansion that outpaces our ability to use it, because if we didn't, unemployment would rise until our government figured out other initiatives to create jobs with.
Former Federal contractor here, no one has Washington by the balls more than Defense contractors. They have the leverage to always always get their money, regardless of our government's political make up.
This is true but slightly misleading. Yes, the US has a military industrial complex. Yes a decent portion of our economy is based off of the military. However, this is sort of misleading as it makes it seem like we purposely export war and look to seize upon any opportunity to do so.
In WWII there was a huge demand to produce supplies needed for the war. Women for the first time started working in factories to help the war effort. Companies that never produced military equipment or supplies shifted some or most of their production over to making supplies. Motor companies shifted to making planes and other vehicles for the war. Textile companies manufactured uniforms, blankets, and tents. Not only did established companies switch production but new companies sprung up. The US even kept this ramped up production level going right to the end. They weren't sure if they would use the bombs on Japan and weren't exactly sure if they would work like they expected. The estimated amount of casualties for taking mainland Japan were estimated to be so high that the purple hearts produced in advanced were still being given out up to a few years ago. So they produced all the supplies they thought they would need.
Then the war ends. It was very much so a world war with many nations involved. Some of those nations were decimated. Their countries were taken over by Germany or Japan. Their men conscripted into service for the Germans in Europe or massacred by the Japanese in the Pacific. Their military equipment was either destroyed or taken over by whatever occupying force was present. Part of the reason for Germany and Japan continuing it's taking over of countries/land was to procure supplies for the war effort. The countries were drained of supplies, military capable men, and had to rebuild.
Now the US remained as the only super power left. Germany was destroyed, surrendered, and was disarmed. Their military might was no more as the war and later surrender degraded it's capabilities. Japan was forced to surrender and was in a similar situation with it's supplies. Japan was also forced to disarm itself and to not build up a military.
So the US is not decimated. Our country wasn't involved in battles fought on our soil (past pearl harbor). Our factories weren't destroyed and were instead running at peak output and have been doing so for the past few years. The US also had a shit load of supplies, weapons, and other military equipment. All while being arguably the lone super power at the time.
Being a smart country the US realized they have to find a way to get some value from this surplus. They already have this military. We need to establish trade with the now decimated countries to both help them back up and to keep our economy strong. So the US goes to these countries that were destroyed and says "Hey, we'll be your ally. We got this big ass military nobody will fuck with. We got your back bro. Just give us a good trade deal with your nation." Now the US has multiple advantageous trade deals with multiple nations. The only trade off being an agreement to lend a helping hand if someone messes with one of those nations. A trade off of offering something you already have a surplus of. Not even something tangible like "Here are 4 ships" but "we will sail 4 ships to your coast if they attack you." This worked for the nations that were trying to recover too. They not only had to face the prospect of rebuilding their nations from the ground up but also faced the issue of trying to rebuild their military with an already decimated military capable population. It's advantageous to them to be allies with the largest and strongest military when they are in such a vulnerable position.
The US used what they had a large abundance of to make economic and trade deals with countries that had a need for it's abundance. They offered protection and an ally. Not even a tangible thing. This is why the US gets such a bad rep in the "exporters of war" category. It's because that's what we sold to countries to make deals. In our lifetime 1945 is 72 years ago. A long time in which we feel much change has occurred. In the grand scheme of things and looking at a longer timeline it's not that long ago. There are still veterans living today from the war. To put it into perspective, some people still living today were alive during a time when the entire world was waging war. The mentality of governments and the economic, political, and social impacts of the policies and laws made after the war stick around. A major event occurred in our world which isn't quickly forgotten. Decisions made after the fact in attempt to prevent the same from occurring again are taken very seriously. They don't just degrade or change so quickly in 72 years.
So yes, it seems like the US is always involved in conflict somehow. However, it is also the deal we made with these countries years ago. It would look pretty bad if the US reneged on said deals when it came time to cash in.
Honestly, I always pictured the US (speaking as an American) as the kind of country that would worry the entire universe. We'd sell to one galactic civilization to destroy another. In fact we'd probably destroy galactic civilizations over nothing, just to stay sharp.
Considering defense spending is only a few percent of GDP, I really don't believe this. Obviously a sudden stop to all of it could destabilize the economy, but a gradual decrease during a peacetime wouldn't do much damage.
C377 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:32:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me introduce you to the F-35 fighter jet, completely useless against any modern fighter but has parts produced in 48 states and built in multiple states by several companies.
The F35 is going to be sold to a massive number of NATO and pacific allies, in large quantities. It's also an incredible 5th gen fighter with insane technology.
I wish idiots wouldn't just read shit and not do even a little bit of research themselves, and also understand that technological capability that puts you a generation ahead of your rivals is a little valuable.
C377 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:08:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way a single fighter is going to pay for a 1.45 trillion in development costs. Its a waste of money for a toy. Oh boy and we have less than a hundred in use. The primary navy variant isnt even in use yet. Did I forget to mention that experienced fighter pilot found the older F-16 fighter to perform better in dogfighting scenarios. Its a subpar fighter, interceptor, and Bomber. The damn thing is an example of Pork barrel politics at it's best. Meanwhile while this plane has floundered in developmental hell, the navy has been trying to find a cheaper, newer replacement. Stop falling for a sunk-cost fallacy and actually look at it.
Fair enough, it shows the rampant abuse of government contracting and the choke hold Northrop and Boeing have over the DOD, I agree there. It's stealth is unmatched and the 360 view technology is groundbreaking
C377 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some fair points you have brought up though.
Look up old articles from the early days of the f-16 and you will find the exact same armchair gripes
C377 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, pretty much every major nato military doesn't want the damn thing.
C377 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Total developmental costs of over a trillion dollars and has failed to deliver on its most important promise of a modern vtol capable fighter. Also finally went into service, i forget, like half decade behind schedule.
... I'm not certain I want to get into a discussion with you about the difference between military spending/growth and gross domestic product.
Military investment is not a growth industry unless... _________
Bay0net ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The companies that make arms don't profit nearly as much as one would think. It would hardly collapse the economy. I read once if you took all the profits each company makes and added it together (the profits from arm sales) it totals like a quarter of Apples annual profits. I just did a paper on Raytheon and the $2 billion in profit they make a year is 1/3rd that of Philip Morris and half of McDonalds - companies that are right around the same size according to the Fortune 500.
But what is happening is that the US does have a vested interest in keeping these companies going. If they stop making weapons as it's no longer profitable then the US loses that capability. We decided as a country after WWII not to have to build an army from scratch every time we go to war. There are only two shipyards that make surface warships for example. You want at least two going for some competition and redundancy. It's all about keeping things going in case it really needs to get ramped up
Kojima did take a lot of inspiration from the military industrial complex conspiracies when writing MGS. It's especially a theme in 2 and 4. Guns of the Patriots really does explore his idea of what will happen if the MIC reaches a natural conclusion, what with the whole "war is to the 21st Century what oil was to the 20th" line.
Conflict seems to come with being human, but on a pure numbers basis, this is the most peaceful the world's ever been. (Not that they're aren't some powerful psychopaths with the ability to change that real quick .....) But we really are a more diplomatic species than we've ever been, at least as far as written history goes.
My favorite conspiracy I want to be true is the New World Order, because a globalized "national" government wouldn't be without conflict, but it would be without major or even overt conflict. Weirdly enough, this was a fantasy of Ronald Reagan's: That aliens would threaten the Earth and we would come together as one planet to battle the space monsters .... and presumably remain a one-world government afterwards, which would certainly get rid of a lot of hassle with mailing and customs and duties.
no the privatization of natural recourses thru military force is the primary corporate subsidy. industrial age fossil fuel cartels, weapons manuf., drug companies, are so used to free shit their business models would collapse without it. and let's not forget central banking because all wars are bankers wars.
h2man ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:55:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War is big business... check how much weapons manufacturers contribute to the American economy.
Also, rebuilding the war torn countries is usually not done by local companies...
The numbers look good, but does it really contribute to an economy when your work goes into making disposable missiles instead of infrastructure or R&D? The average citizen would be much better off if the government didn't tax their earnings and divert it into military spending. It's essentially the broken window fallacy.
h2man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:39:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why was Halliburton rebuilding Iraq?
Ensuring trade and getting contracts in war torn areas is big business.
Those parts and materials could have gone into cars and computers instead of missiles. What's going to improve the life of an average more? A new car to drive or a bomb dropped in Afghanistan?
I assumed it's because a significant portion of the US economy is based around the military and wars. Can't just tell 15% of your economy to take a break for a few years.
I'm sure that plays into it, but also in order to be prepared for more serious wars you need to make sure your arms production infrastructure never erodes. Really the best way to do that is to keep it continually producing the best products. I'm not making a moral judgment here, but it is rational.
The US arms industry isn't anywhere close to 15% of the US economy. US arms industry made $209.7 billion in 2015. US economy was around 18 trillion that year. 209 billion isn't even 10% of that.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. huuuuuuu.. hahahahahahahhahaha yeah let's go murder a few thousand people just to keep us top combat form. Better yet let's choose regions where we can influence domestic propaganda and further a tyrannical establishment!!
Or it's because billionaires get billions more in defense contracts.
dramboxf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:09:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Dad, who was of draftable age during the Vietnam conflict, (enlisted in the Marines, never saw combat,) had the opinion that the US got involved in so many wars (and he died in 1987, waaaay before even the 1st Gulf War) was so that the officer corps of the various military branches could get the combat command experience required to be promoted.
The US sells its military services to the world like an economic good. Don't have a military, Japan? We'll trade you. Don't have a military, S Korea? Tradesies!
That's not a conspiracy, that's military management 101.
Also, you have to sell your old used weapons to restore some money back. This means you have to sell weapons to terrorists. Then, you blow up the terrorists for verification of the newer weapon systems. Evolution man..
Eeehh, more like the US keeps a standing military around the world so the rest of the world doesn't have to. Everyone wants to insult the US having their troops everywhere until Russia detects oppressed minorities or China claims your fishing waters.
Well for one Congress hasn't declared war, so they are just 'military actions'. However, we are also fighting enemies who don't pose any significant threat to our sovereignty or have a realistic chance to mount any kind of invasion. Essentially we aren't fighting to defend our existence.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:37:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I see, that makes sense, thanks for elaborating!
mcapozzi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:51:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your theory is close, but the truth is we continue to engage in armed conflicts because a significant portion of our private industry is devoted solely to government and military contracts. The United States makes and sells more weapons than any other country. The CEO of Lockheed-Martin threatened former President Obama that he would lay off 10,000 people if the defense budget was reduced.
Lockheed was granted 38.4 billion dollars in government contracts back in 2009. I would expect that number to be as high or even higher now.
Most of the employers where I live are government defense contractors (upstate NY).
ElePuss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O doubt experienced because a lot of people are 4 or 8 and out with the military. Bit it does keep them funded if they can consistently show that there is a need for them.
Rios7467 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also play "war games" which are used a simulation for such an experience.
I think it'd make more sense to encourage military spending and to justify the investment in designing and building more advanced weapons for sale to the highest bidder. The US is a military development complex and it uses the weapons to force the hand of other nations. It is a bartering chip. The US has only political power to gain in the mutual destruction of multiple nations. It's a risky business, but it's business... and business is good.
Not really. After world war 2, it became the defense goal of the US to be able to sustain two ongoing conflicts on both coasts.
But also after WW2, the US kinda came out on top in a lot of ways. One of them was our infrastructure.
The other issue, is that that Europe was in shambles. Just beacuse WW2 was over, didnt mean Europe wasnt in need of an army. And the only folks that could still keep an army standing? The US. The same with Japan. With China. Lots of places.
And this isn't even counting the USSR. And the cold war that started as soon as ww2 was over. Lots can be said about that.
But overall the US was elected to be worlds Police.
And through world history, there been no country more able to anex the world, and hasnt. Thats weird. Every county before then, that had the ability to exercise that ability, they exercised as hard as they could. The US doesn't act only in the best interest the world. The US acted for itself, and that largely beacame best for the world. And largely, thats been pretty okay.
Isn't it more that the pentagon wants to be in wars so they get more funding from the goverment? In Europe fighting in wars is not as important to the people so there is less and less support for an increase of the defense budget
True, but Europeans also reap the benefits of America's strong military in that NATO ensures that should any other state threaten them, the US is obligated to intervene.
Honestly, that may be a part of it. When you look at the money arms companies make, and how small a percentage of that they need to use to lobby the government for a harsher foreign policy, it becomes pretty obvious it's not the main reason.
What's the real war? Perhaps an internal revolution. The military gear and training trickles down to the police when it's done. Live test it in the third-world.
If it were true than that would make the US Military the most unethical/immoral military in the world. Aka assisting in the killing of one side of a two sided battle just for the experience in a fight that has nothing to do with the US. And then some random lie is given and the propaganda machine churns out some more stuff and the cycle repeats.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Korea has been brewing for a while. Once war breaks out, something like ten million people will die in 72 hours and a further ten million soldiers will be deployed. I wouldn't be surprised.
WWII did this to us. We were caught largely off guard and aside from some general officers many didn't have experience in the First World War. Couple this with the nation still not ready for war despite ramping up military spending and having a draft in effect and anyone who passed sophomore year history gets why the US doesn't want to get caught with its pants down. They may not agree with the reasoning, but they understand it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever heard of a government stimulus package it's essentially how the military industrial complex works. Government creates demand and keeps people employed by having a large military--government pays US businesses to outfit that military--That money goes to the US employees of those businesses--Those US employees then spend that money elsewhere within the US.
This is an inefficient way of spreading that money around but consider all the stakeholders who have an interest in it operating this way.
The military-industrial complex is well documented. Basically, bullets are the perfect product: non-recyclable, and the more there are, the more are needed. Check out Why We Fight or Bowling for Columbine.
One of the reasons (there are a few) countries like Mongolia and Pakistan send a lot of soldiers to UN missions is so that their large armies get some deployment experience, something countries like the UK and US don't need because we do our own wars, thankyouverymuch.
It's nothing new and makes total sense that armies require at least some experienced soldiers who have seen operations.
(Other reasons include it costing loads to mobilise our advanced militaries and would be financially bad and arrogance/control i.e. "you want to use our soldiers but put them under the command of someone we might not choose? No thanks." Hence, the members of the security council send loads of soldiers from non-member countries on missions but won't deploy their own other than a few in advisory capacities.)
namdeew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And because the military budget of US is so huge that it would destabilize the infrastructure of the country if they don't go to war
I think the Pentagon is much more concerned with the economic impact made by weapons manufacturing and sales than they are with having highly trained troops.
Joe Jackson had a sweet thing going with The Jackson Five, especially breakout star young Michael. So to retain that money making voice, he had him castrated.
That would explain Michael Jackson's behavior, his seeming inability to "grow up", all the weird sexual things, etc. I mean, he named it Neverland Ranch for crying out loud; Freud doesn't need to hit you in the face with a frying pan to decode that.
And I know he has kids, but this wouldn't be the first time someone paid someone else to have their kids for them. Heck, knowing how jacked up that family is, I would not be shocked, shocked if one of the brothers did the hard work for Michael so it would at least resemble him.
Smoldero ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 04:19:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get why people believe this, but I think Michael's upbringing was so scarring and abusive that it lead to his many personal issues.
His behaviour as an adult was so extreme though, so I do find it intriguing to consider.
Michael Jackson was actually a castrati....seems plausible but unlikely. Personally I'd just guess that Joe Jackson was probably a paedophile in addition to being physically and emotionally abusive. I have absolutely no evidence to support the idea, it just seems like a reasonable conclusion.
There's also a theory about adolescent molestation/abuse that stunts the emotional growth of the victim. Leading to things like baby voice (where someone sounds like they're faking a child's voice, but they are obviously at an age where it should've changed to an adult voice), immaturity, sexual promiscuity...
where someone sounds like they're faking a child's voice, but they are obviously at an age where it should've changed to an adult voice
Every time I hear someone talking like this I want to punch myself in the face and hopefully knock myself out so I don't have to hear it anymore. I get that it's sad that someone may have come across that voice because of abuse but, damn, do I hate when someone talks like that.
My personal theory is that Michael got all the plastic surgery to look like Brooke Shields, whom he was very close with for a long time. I think his plastic surgery actually made him resemble her quite a lot.
hicow ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:50:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily physically castrated, but around puberty he was allegedly put on a pretty heavy medication for his acne...a medication which was known to interfere with testosterone production, so chemically castrated, at least for several (really important) years.
It's also alleged (or well-known, depending on who you ask) that his voice was a put-on. Michael Jackson the dude had a normal, relatively deep male voice. Public Figure Michael Jackson put on the high falsetto.
This is the most plausible theory. Was pumped full of drugs by his father at a very young age and was severely traumatized by his upbringing.
The lawsuits were all a ruse to extort money from one of the wealthiest entertainers in the world. He hated how he was used and tormented as a child and wanted to change that.
The man died from a cocktail of drugs. It's painfully obvious his issues were caused by his sociopathic father.
Jesus Christ, this post has down votes and the one above has upvotes? A post where a guy doesn't understand what you're talking about, assumes that's your failing and then corrects you on it?
are you high? since when does being a eunuch make you unusually tall? or have anything to do with your height at all
idwthis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:35:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since I wondered, too, I looked it up for us both. From wikipedia:
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(I just did a quick google search so I could be off a bit on average.)
He hit .375 in the series. .375! That's someone trying to lose? I can't buy it.
scothc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:20:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.375 is what I've heard too. No denying he had a great series. I've always subscribed to the notion that he took the money and couldn't bring himself to actually throw the game once he was playing. But even then, in a best of 7 series, you can still have good stats and fuck up when it matters most
Freud would probably just say he wants to fuck his mother and close the book. For real though, I forget which celebrity, but someone said that they would call him and he'd answer in his airy voice, but then when he realised who he was talking to, he'd just talk like a black guy.
Coke came out with the new Coke with the intention everyone would hate it. It allowed all the old Coca Cola that was made with sugar to gradually leave circulation. Then they reintroduced Coke Classic, made with corn syrup, as a replacement for the new Coke recipe that no one liked. The new Coke was never intended to be permanent and was never intended to be liked. It was all merely to bury the fact they switched from sugar to corn syrup.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:37:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, it apparently is made from a queen slug's backside.
That the war in Syria is (or at least was) partially about pipelines. The heavily bombed areas in the country has a strong correlation where Russia had or was building pipelines to connect it to the 2nd largest oil market in the world, Western Europe. If you look back to when the wars began you'd even see reports of groups in black masks blowing up key areas of the pipelines and then disappearing.
Meanwhile, around the same time the Syrian war started the development of the Leviathan gas field off the coast of Israel started ramping up, and is building a pipeline through cyprus and greece (whose public gas company was privatized during the Greece economic meltdown) into the same market, which isn't getting as much media attention as it should, given the massive scope of it. The company behind it is Noble energy, whose major shareholders include many high-profile political figures in the US, such as the Clinton family.
I 100% believe this. This is a war for oil . Who supplies the west Europe market , Iran and Russia? , who then become the gatekeepers to European sovereignty. Or the US ? How would wester Europes politics change if Russia and Iran could turn off their lights and cars. This war is about pipes
Eskipony ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:57:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If thats true, It could explain why the strong push for renewable energy and electric cars in the EU today. If the EU is energy sufficient, neither Russia or Iran could have a stranglehold on the EU.
Yes exactly, if the people of a country don't look at how economics can be used as a weapon against them, they are being naive. Imagine if all the oil to the US stopped? Like the embargo. US politics learned a hard lesson about guarding threats to their economy
Yes. And why the idiots in the UK government are so keen to push fracking through.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think any of our military intervention is about oil at all. I think it's really for Israel. Syria, Libya, and Iraq all had powerful militaries and strong anti-Israel sentiment. We toppled Saddam and handed the country over to extremists. We fund "rebels" (50% extremists) to overthrow Libya and fight against Syria, so obviously we don't care about terrorist organizations since they end up fragmenting and fighting each other most of the time. But war allows us to crush powerful armies and establish more bases in the region. The next target is Iran, and Saudi Arabia - once Israel's biggest enemy - is on board with the US.
It's more to support Saudi Arabia. There's a cold war going on between them and Iran. Every talks about the west's involvement in the Arab Spring but forgets those two. Syria isn't a proxy between the US and Russia. It's a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
It is interesting, but there is no way making the ME less stable leads to a pipeline. They leak to much as it is, and you can't defend literally thousands of miles of pipeline against some randos with easily sourceable high explosives.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be the ones who oppose the Russian pipeline making it less stable, not Russia. Shit, the US under Obama had two different government agencies supporting two different rebel groups that actively fought each other - a proxy war against ourselves.
samzeman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:00:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought everybody knew those wars were for oil first, terrorism second? that's literally what I got taught in school in the UK. um. you okay, America?
I don't like how much sense a lot of these theories make.
wervenyt ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:54:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it'll help you sleep at night, the human brain is basically designed to identify patterns and has a very bad track record with false positives in that department.
What cracks me up about threads like this is how people obsess about the obscure and occult, but ignore much larger, more impactful situations happening right under their noses. For example, the most important "conspiracy" that Americans should care about is the influence of rightwing billionaires on our sociopolitical stability - and I've not seen it mentioned once.
For example, the most important "conspiracy" that Americans should care about is the influence of rightwing billionaires on our sociopolitical stability - and I've not seen it mentioned once.
I don't even see it as a conspiracy, just fact. The average person can do nothing about it, so they either ignore it, or pretend it's not the case. We as humans are great at ignoring or explaining away things that make us uncomfortable.
I don't even see it as "rightwing" or "leftwing" thing. People in power, no matter what wing have more in common than the rest of us. Right or left wing is part of the same bird. The common man is just a resource to them, nothing more. It's like us taking stock of how many eggs we have in the refrigerator.
An interesting read is "dictator's handbook: why bad behavior is almost always good politics". It's damn interesting and it brings to light a lot of built in control mechanisms. If you're at all interested in politics or conspiracy stuff (though this isn't a conspiracy book), it's a must read.
For other reading on understanding the powerful, "48 laws of power" does a pretty good job at helping you understand the way the powerful think.
Poobyrd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:30:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Questioning the things you take for granted is the path to truth. It's a bit scary, but it's worth it.
Same, but I'm pretty sure I'm just someone who believes things to easily, without need lots of evidence. So I really just ignore conspiracy theories, but still enjoy reading them.
They did show during the campaign that his account was coming from both an iPhone and an Android. I think he carries the Samsung, and someone on his campaign has the Apple.
I thought this was obvious. You can tell just from the syntax - Trump-speak is much different than the pre-written content that his handlers give him to say.
And by "different" I mean that it has some proper grammar, cohesion, and basic emotional maturity.
Also, someone ran a word-frequency algorithm on his tweets and basically confirmed that, that the more hostile and undignified tweets were all coming from one phone, while the more bland/official ones were coming from the other, and that one would never use certain words, and vice versa.
swentech ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 04:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that a surprise? Pretty much every celebrity have people tweet for them.
I think that some of the celebrities that hold AMAs aren't actually typing out the answers. I think sometimes they're read questions, say the answer, and someone else types it!!!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:16:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hicow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:41:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's not a genius. Something closer to a savant. He's a guy of middling intelligence at best with the attention span of a hyperactive 5 year old. However, he understands how to sell. It's about the only thing he understands, and that he can do pretty goddamn well. But even that only goes so far. A real salesman wouldn't have multiple thousands of lawsuits and a number of bankruptcies under his belt.
It's pretty telling that multiple people that have known Trump well have been asked, "what's the real Donald Trump like?" pretty much all answered something to the effect of, "That is the real Donald Trump. This is actually, really what he's like"
No. Every business that's not very small get's sued regularly. Justified sometimes and oftentimes no.
Businesses get sued. That's just the way it is. Being accused of something doesn't automatically make them unethical. You can be sued for anything. And once a company is a certain size, you can't directly control everyone in it.
You can set policy, and fire violators, but it can still get you sued after they do something wrong. That doesn't mean your business isn't honest or ethical. It just means you have a business.
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:17 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know why Trump started going to Russian banks for financing? American banks didn't want to deal with him anymore because he had a tendency to sue when he got behind paying on loans. Contractors stopped dealing with him because odds were good he'd either stiff them and they'd have to sue or he would sue them for BS reasons. He like illegal immigrant labor because he could pay them peanuts and they wouldn't sue if he ripped them off.
Trump is well known as a pretty deeply unethical businessman. It's been that way since at least the '80s, and it's hardly been a secret.
VICE News just posted an interview on their Facebook page with the woman who ran his social media campaigns during the election. In the interview, she said that while the tweets were his, she ghost-wrote his Facebook updates. The woman studied his writing style and wrote his statuses as if she were him. She even goes into detail a little bit on the phrases and cadences she uses to imitate him.
Knowing this, it's entirely plausible that he has someone writing his tweets with or for him.
anxshush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Tis true. My butler makes all my Reddit posts, because diningroomfan is such a prima donna. He rarely even reads them, stuck up sonafabitch with all his brown shoes . Wants them all shined. Like he even has any freinds that care, bossy prick...
Cyrado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was common knowledge. No way the President (incompetent though he may be) is constantly on his phone tweeting. He probably has staff that manages his social media. Sure some tweets here and there are probably from him but no way all of them are.
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 20:14:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sparx86 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:38:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan was too competitive to throw a game
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:49:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sparx86 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living in Chicago I've heard all the different things. Including how big of a dick he really is but more than that how he wanted to be the center of attention. I mean the chance at being a 2 sport great had that for him but there had to be something deeper
It wasn't about baseball. It was about Jordan who played one season to the title, then played in the Olympics, and then another season to the title. During that second season his dad was murdered. It was an exhausted young man needing a reset on his situation...
No big silly conspiracy..
all2neat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He actually won 3 championships before his first retirement.
C'mon, let's not be pedantic. I don't truly believe Jordan was suspended. But it is definitely interesting to talk about.
tisdue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if this were true, it would have leaked a long time ago. Like none of the NBA owners, officials, players, etc. Literally NO one talked about this until it became a sexy idea years later. I just dont see it.
I think it is a lot easier for conspiracy theories to gain traction the further they are removed from the actual events. I'm sure it would have seemed absurd in the moment, but it is interesting enough as far as conspiracy theories go.
tisdue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep seeing this. I thought it was well known that Jordan was suspended for gambling. I don't remember the suspension having anything to do with his baseball "career" or even being around the same time. I always figured the baseball thing was some type of publicity stunt or an attempt to compete with that Bo guy from around that time "Bo knows ___" and that other pro athlete that played multiple sports.
But why would you secretly suspended the stand alone star of your own sports league?
There's no reason I can think of to keep it a secret. If his gambling allegation were public then ok, you'd have to suspend him to keep integrity in the game. You don't suspend him as some secret form of punishment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I'll bite. The NBA thought it in the best interest of the brand to distance themselves momentarily. They would have been balancing their reputation along side the preservation of Jordan's image.
The suspension itself helped to shift focus away from the game and onto Jordan himself. It was never supposed to be punishment, necessarily, but more like the inconvenience of moving into a safe house.
The face of the game getting caught betting on games would undermine fans' faith in competition with fair outcomes.
This doesn't seem too far fetched now that we know referees were gambling and/or fixing games. See: 2001 Lakers vs Kings game 7.
Not really a conspiracy theory, but in middle/early high school, I had a bunch of online friends. I would tell them everything that I wouldn't tell anyone I knew in real life.
Then, one day, someone I went to school with mentioned something I had mentioned to my online friends. Not long after that, my brother and his girlfriend mentioned something else.
No one knew my usernames on the sites I talked to my friends on, I always logged out, I used a fake name when I told these people my name too. They even had no idea what I looked like.
To this day, I'm pretty certain every single one of my online friends during that time period were fake/set up by people I knew in real life. Even if there's no way I could think of that they even found me. But because of it I now have really bad issues trusting people online aren't somehow in cahoots with my RL friends/family/acquaintances.
That's likely really what happened, but I wasn't really hiding anything. It was mostly just insignificant/small things and word for word mentions of something I had said to my friends.
Rorynne ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 01:29:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
could have just been your siblings are assholes and read your internet history like reading a diary.
only one lived with me at the time and I always cleared my history; regardless, literally no part of my history would have told them my usernames on sites
the only way I could think of would be if someone glanced over and saw what I was on and made it their personal mission to find me and befriend me
Rorynne ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 01:42:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dont doubt the power of siblings wanting to fuck with their siblings man kids are horrifying
I mean that's about it. I was a kid and selfish. I was a nerd installing key loggers. I'm not really at the top of physical fitness back then. I just relished in the fact I knew I was right.
Think of the possibilities... you are sure they couldn't read your chats and didn't even live with you but somehow they found your account and spent time being friends with you online? I think this is just a coincidence. Either way your family and friends would have had to have been able to get your information without you letting them. Whats their motive?
Honestly, yeah, it doesn't make sense. But it does make me paranoid as shit, you know?
Before I had actually begun having online friends and separating my RL stuff from my online things I'd keep myself logged in on MySpace and Facebook on my computer and I know for a fact my mom and brother used to snoop around on those, so it had already broken my trust a bit. So I think that plays a big part on why it doesn't feel like a simple coincidence to me. But you're probably right.
Don't let this get in your head. Talk with someone if you need to. People are not out to get you and in reality everyone is so tied up with their own lives that they pay little mind to the lives of others', even their own family's.
lanfair ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:08:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself. I only came to this thread to see what he said about us watching him. Turns out he's onto us.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm your cousin. We use to hang out a lot back in like first and second grade. But then I moved off and we never really talked since. I was leaking information to your brothers.
Maybe your parents refused to acknowledge that we were cousins seeing as since then they've not been eye to eye since my dad's little incident at the family picnic?
And that about lines up with the time line.I am a year or two older depending on the month. So I'd have been in first when you were 4. Hmm.
That's scary man. Why don't you mention it to one of them. The worst that can happen is they either lie like they always have or they just won't know what you're talking about.
I would but, honestly, I think I'm more content pretending that they never really did that (in case they actually did). But I think one day I still probably will just because I do want to know if I'm distrusting people for a reason or not.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
something extremely similar happened to me. when i was around 16, i fell into an eating disorder and made a tumblr page about it to vent my feelings or "track my weight loss progress" or whatever. one day, i got an anonymous message saying that it was pathetic what i was trying to do and i was too good for it. only, that message also had a lot of weird personal information such as what i had to live for and other things. stuff that ONLY my sister would know. i think my sister found the page somehow and tried to help me anonymously, but she never once brought it up again. i never told a single soul in real life that i was restricting my eating habits. my weight loss corresponded with the sports i took in high school, so that's always what i said was going on. i'm always mortified when i think about how she must have felt
I'm not sure how tech savvy you were back then, but I thought I was when it came to hiding my AIM chats and online diaries. Years later my brother admitted that he learned a lot of his IT skills in high school by practicing on our family computer, and almost everything I thought was hidden or deleted was easily accessible to him if he wanted it to be. This was back in the early 2000s though, so how we used our computer and the internet was much different then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A day late but if you never told other people those things in the first place, it sounded like you already had trust issues
Hey dude I know this sounds bad but this kind of paranoia makes me think you may have some kind of mental issue. I would contact your doctor or a medical professional about these thoughts because these thoughts seem pretty irrational. If your mental health is fine then that's great but if you do have a problem it's much easier to diagnose it early. If you wanna pm me go ahead.
Munninnu ยท 714 points ยท Posted at 16:20:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simulated reality. Spiders have 8 eyes because they are actually self-replicating webcams that locate and move to corners where using silk wires they build a structure which they can use to trap small animals for food and also as an antenna they can use like a string instrument to send data to their network.
Did you know that Spiders have 8 eyes because they are actually self-replicating webcams that locate and move to corners where using silk wires they build a structure which they can use to trap small animals for food and also as an antenna they can use like a string instrument to send data to their network.
Some apps on my phone listen to me. I sometimes will mention something I need or want and amazon will recommend it to me if I go on the app short after
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:37:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I just said I needed something. I will be back with an update.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:47:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't. I speak Russian sometimes with my mom and I noticed I'd get Russian ads on Youtube. My roommate is South American who screams stuff in Spanish when he's playing FIFA I noticed I would get Spanish ads when living with him.
It tries to guess based on where you've been too. I went to a Mexican grocery store and suddenly I get Spanish Youtube ads. I don't think it's listening but it certainly connects other dots to try to calculate who/what you are
Darxe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is definitly happening and if you've agreed to the terms of service for most common social media apps you've given them permission to do it. Go into your settings and turn off access to your microphone.
The FBI killed MLK. Just within the things that have been proved, they had him high on the list of most dangerous people, where tracking him, sent him a letter telling him to kill himself, and his family won the civil suit about his murder, in which the courts found the FBI guilty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr.
mygawd ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:12:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article says the courts found some guy who owned a business nearby guilty, not the FBI, and the verdict was overturned
mygawd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Under the section about Coretta Scott King v Lloyd Jowers
The jury found defendantย Loyd Jowersย and unknown co-defendantsย civilly liableย for participation in a conspiracy to assassinate King in the amount of $100. Members of King's family acted as plaintiffs
It was a civil case and the defendant was providing evidence against himself, with nobody providing the counter evidence, so it's not surprising he lost
I am aware it's a civil case, I said, in my comment "civil suit" for a reason, I know it's totally different. The court case is just one of the reasons I think it was out govt. It is more so the stuff brought up in the case that I find interesting such as from the article "the evidence implicated the FBI, the CIA, the US Army, the Memphis Police Department, and organized crime in the murder of King". I also have other evidence, such as the FBI's files on him, and the letter they sent saying to kill himself ect... The current FBI director even said that he has the recodings of MLK on his desk to remind him of how the orginization meant to protect it's citizens has been used against them so it won't happen again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:38:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In an interview with Ron Bennington, James Earl Ray was asked if he had shot King. Ray responded, paraphrasing here, "Let's put it this way, I was sentenced to general population with a 96% black population. If any of them thought I actually did it, do you think I'd be talking to you now? The whole thing was a charade."
bm0000 ยท 400 points ยท Posted at 18:28:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK was killed by a conspiracy that did involve elements of the U.S. government; Reagan and Bush conspired with the government of Iran to hold the prisoners until after the 1980 election; the CIA has had foreknowledge of hijacking, assassinations, and minor terrorist incidents and did not intervene because they didn't want to jeopardize an ongoing mission
You've probably heard of Roy Cohn but if you haven't you should look him up. In his biography/autobiography he talks a lot about how Reagan was elected and about the Iranian hostages release.
Roy Cohn was also Donald Trumps attorney. He was a scary, scary man with his fingers in a lot of corrupt political pies dating back to the 1950's.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:09:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Mossad knew about the bombing of that Marine base in Lebanon several months before it actually happened and it was so obvious to them they figured it would be insulting to mention anything to the CIA. Although the idea that the CIA is omnipotent is bullshit, I find it hard to believe they were not aware of this.
Lre420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly his brother owed the Mafia a lot of money
Re: The prisoners in Iran. My friend's Dad was DoD intelligence. When that happened he came out of his chair ranting that it was impossible for that embassy to be breeched since it was the seat of the CIA communications over there. He knew right then that the entire thing was a false flag.
Masylv ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:07:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first one is probably BS but the second two are common knowledge I thought? Reagan negotiated with Iran to get the hostages released to make him look good, and of course the CIA (or any intelligence agency, really) isn't going to abandon an important mission to stop some minor hijacking or terrorist attack not on their soil.
You wouldn't give up taking down al-Baghdadi to stop the Nice, France attack for example. It's cold, but taking him out quickly saves more lives. Similar principle.
bm0000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as the first one, I recommend reading Larry Hancock's "Someone Would Have Talked." He's an excellent researcher and very skeptical by nature and I know him personally. A lot has come out over the years and serious researchers have more or less narrowed down on a relatively small group in the intelligence community who sponsored the assassination with the help of other non-governmental forces.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:55:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The740 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:04:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were two separate Congressional investigations - both times with a Democrat-majority legislature - and both refuted the idea of a Reagan hostage conspiracy.
Have you ever seen the movie Traitor? That is practically the plot of the movie and it's a great film. I would not be surprised at all if we had people inside who were aware of smaller scale terrorism, especially overseas
You're right about the last half but more than you think. Sometimes facilitating, or even just allowing something to happen, can further the CIA's mission-even if the subject doesn't know they're being watched.
jjsibs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:19 on September 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Qeesify ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 01:57:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That companies like Apple deliberately slow down your phone as you update it so you will buy their shitty new one without a headphone jack
Angie-P ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 03:19:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the ntnh time: it's called planned obsolescence and most products live by this.
rolfrbdk ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 09:27:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're misunderstanding what planned obsolescence means if you believe most products live by it. It's simply not the case.
I'm a mechanical engineer, and while it is true that SOME companies deliberately have made products that fail quickly (example, Samsung TVs mysteriously seemed to fail just after the warranty period, they used a capacitor which on the average cycle load would fail after approx. 25 months: https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-power-defect-causes-some-tvs-to-fail-and-a-class-action-suit-follows/ ), the real reason products aren't made to last is that you, the consumer, are not willing to pay for more.
Look, you can design something that will work for 2 years easily. You can design something that will work for 20 years doing the same job too. But the difference in quality of components, materials, processes etc. is so great that you simply would not buy our product. Professionals, however, will.
This is why you can go down to your local hardware store, buy a hammer for $5 and it'll last you a year or two. Or you can buy the one next to it costing $50 and it will probably last you a lifetime.
That hammer is simply made from a better alloy, forged better, has better quality control etc., but you're gonna be paying for it. Would you like a 10 fold increase in the price of your phone? I don't think you would to be honest, and Apple, Samsung, Sony, etc all know this.
The general life time we design for depends on the application, but for eg. a car, it is about 8 years. If you have ever owned a car that was approximately 8 years old, you'll start to see things wear out that don't normally need replacement, I'm talking rusty exhausts, maybe the gaskets, or some bearings start squaking. This is normal, this is fine, it's impossible to design something to last forever, but you must understand there is a balance.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a great and entirely correct write up.
The reason iPhones become slow after two years, however, is not because of the physical hardware. It is because Apple renders the older phones useless on the new IOS that was released at the same time as the new phone. This, of course, should be illegal.
Angie-P ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 10:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I studied obsolescence in regards to textile design, which include mass produced products including electricals , I'm just recalling what I remember.
MockLled ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:15:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How good do you think the next big phone, PC, console, whatever, would be if they utilized the greatest technology at the time in it, instead of planning for the next years model?
Angie-P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:56:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty good, but not amazing, some features and graphics are an item of it's time.
Eggmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't always want to be mas marketing bleeding edge tech. Much better off using stuff that has a solid history and with production capacity in place.
I am just asking a hypothetical question as to how good an iPhone could be if it was filled with the best tech possible today
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:41:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it's them intentionally slowing performance or them refusing to optimize newer OS version for older devices. I could see them willingly refuse to optimize for a 512MB RAM device that is technically supported because they know the 2GB RAM flagship model is the hot item. When the old phones slow down everyone flocks to the new model.
Samsung absolutely did this with my S2. I remember the original firmware was fantastic and then the new update absolutely destroyed the usability of that phone and no one else talked about it. Coincidentally the S3 was coming out.
Couldn't you complain to your carrier? Our contracts are usually 2 years, so if my phone died after one, just because the next model was coming out, I'd insist on a replacement, or never use that carrier/manufacturer again (and explain that when I left).
I did, all I got was a not my problem bit. This was like 10 years ago though.
thedetox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this 100%. My f'n phone is slowing down and my battery stays charged about 12 minutes.
rudyv8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think this may be true but not as intentional as you think. Sloppy programming can often yield code that runs poorly. Lots of unnecesary code, or code that could be optomized to run better. For example, only class I took in college was called Algorithms and all we did for the whole year was focus on 1 problem, and programming it over and over with more and more efficient ways.
As technology advances storage increases and we further complicate our programs by adding on more and more inefficient programming. Apple simply realizes this and doesnt force their employees to program for maximum efficiency. Not only does it yield more $ through customers upgrading more frequently, but it also yields more $ from not having to pay for optimal programming. Sub-par programs are OK.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it is as meaningless as some people think; to win gold medals, to be the greatest on the planet at something sports related, creates a near tangible image of one's country and its inhabitants, an image of strength and power which can be used to persuade or intimidate other nations
Plus the Cold War involved a lot of propaganda. There was no better way to definitively say "our way of life is better than theirs" than to beat your opponent in a head-to-head competition.
The official story is that the experiments were halted and it was largely done using drugs like LSD.
People acknowledge that it's something that happened.
However, there are communities of people that are claiming that mind control weapons/experiments are still happening and they are being attacked by the US Gov't and weapons that were developed from the MK ULTRA program.
Many people complained about this technology being used. So many people complained and contacted their representatives that there was a bioethics commission set up with many people testifying about the program(s).
I feel like John Snow trying to tell people that White Walkers are real but the CIA is using a mind control weapon to hurt people. This weapon is even being used to make people commit suicide against their will at times.
I know it's crazy.
But MK ULTRA is a fact.
I just want you to use common sense and think about how advanced a technology from the 50s and 70s would be in the present.
Please understand that mind control is real.
Please upvote for visibility. Spread it around. Let people know.
In theย MKULTRAย experiments, theย CIAย dosed unwitting subjects withย LSDย to see how they would react.
What has not yet come to light is that MKULTRA was an intra-agency project.
The CIA created new departments within the CIA, and fed them steady doses of LSD, and otherย psychoactivesย to see how the departments would diverge, and mutate away from normal departments.
Whole projects and hierarchies were created. With everybody involved, being more or less, unwittingly under the influence of LSD.
This is how the "restraint bed portals" and "flesh interfaces" were first created - i.e. from a heavily psycho-mutated hierarchy.
The entire thing had to be eliminated, but the technology it created has been revolutionary.
The CIA invented an audio broadcast device that is at such a low frequency that you can't hear it. But it resonates at the frequency of your bones( like a pitch fork) which means it resonates the bones i your skull. Which means you might hear it as a "voice in your head"
I'm on mobile so I can't find the article but it was an actual patent in the 60-70s and I think a shell corporation bought the rights
Edit:
Holy crap , I found it.
Wired article explaining how one would cause audio hallucinations using microwaves and RF frequency
I'll look into the patent and see if I can find it. I didn't believe this either until I saw the application for the patent office .
Brown note is hilarious
NyanDerp ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:46:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm heartened to see how many people are upvoting this.
vayyiqra ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:57:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MKULTRA is not even a conspiracy theory, it's a well-established fact that it existed and did lots of weird creepy unethical shit. Fascinating subject, though.
I am glad you posted this. I have a story that seems stranger than fiction relating to Mk ultra.
I was in deep research on this topic, watching in depth interviews from victims, and reading accounts posted from other researchers. Being a very open person I was sharing many of these articles, and other conspiracy related things on social media regularly. Around this same time, I started experiencing what I could only explain as "Rogue frequencies" attacking my body. I had a military style hummer creeping on me as I walked home from work one night( It turned around and I dipped into a park and cut through houses, and watched it drive around looking for me for like 20 minues.) on the street just before these events started happening. Also when this started happening police cars that didn't look like the local city cops would drive up and down my street while robot like voices were seemingly attacking my brain waves. Looking back it's like outside voices were trying to implant fake memories into my head, which sounds nuts, but I'd never experienced anything like it. It escalated to point where I was hospitalized by my family. The psychiatrist in the state facility where I was sent diagnosed me with chronic schizophrenia despite the fact that it was my first time ever being diagnosed with any type of mental disorder. My parents threatened to sue if they didn't release me and I was eventual released.
Looking back it all seems surreal, and very hard to talk about with anyone who knows nothing about these types of things.
Aumdpa ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:52:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you, and I don't think you're crazy. Thank you for sharing. You're not alone.
Thanks. It's hard to talk about, for sure. I know that I'm not crazy, but there is always a lingering paranoia that I have to shake off. My mind is extremely rational, and I have sifted through what was real, and perceived by me in relation to the event, and even though a few things are blurry, I'm convinced that they work to destabilize people's mind using esoteric knowledge of alpha brain waves.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:24:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the advice. It is hard to live a normal life when most people around you have no understanding of many esoteric subjects similar to this and others. I surround myself with good people though who enjoy talking about the strange and esoteric. Thanks for reaching out!
Aumdpa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:29:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I also have strange experiences. People that know me well are usually surprised to realize that I'm "crazy" as defined by an erroneous society, yet clear minded and rational. Like Plato's cave, once you've seen the Emerald City's Wizard, you're then casted beyond the norm, despite being the more knowledgeable of the shadows and curtains. Be well, fellow traveler.
I'm a neuropharmacologist. What age were you when this started and how long did it last? And I assume they medicated you, especially inpatient. If so, what drug and dosage? And i assume you have a prescription now (whether you take it our not it's irrelevant). What did they prescribe?
33 years old, and it tapered off after the event, but still occurs (but is markedly different, more like echoes. I must add that I have what I consider Audiographic memory in which I can nearly recall an entire song by hearing it once, and remember tones and inflections exactly). I was on anti-psychotic drugs (2 different types, Latuda, and another sub lingual one?) and one anti-depressant/mood stabilizer (Seroquil) which I quit taking them all because they actually stunted my emotional response to some of the things that happened which caused long term psychosis.
That's actually quite late for schizophrenia to kick in. Did the antipsychotics merely dull experiences, or did they outright stop whileb taking them?
Its uncommon to experience psychosis from those drugs. Was it a rebound after taking them, or did the drugs themselves precipitate the psychotic episode? That must be absolutely terrifying either way. Psychosis is such an odd phenomenon, because there is a little piece of you that knows what's going on, but it's a very small piece and very very hard to be aware of, if not impossible.
The drugs were post what you refer to the psychotic episode. The only thing the medication did in my opinion was complicate my natural emotional response as it was associated with certain thoughts/triggers. In other words my mind was repulsed at the same time my body chemistry was altered to sort of accept it. That in my opinion is what caused the long term psychosis. The only thing that has had positive effects in treating the issues is different forms of meditation, and slowly building and projecting focus on long term goals.
If anyone is still interested, like always the answer is always boring.
Guy posting posts on /r/drugs, takes lots of drugs, has psychedelic episodes, was in psych wards, displays paranoia. There is no MK Ultra experience, at least it's very very very very unlikely there is, just a paranoid guy. No offense, and actually kind of sad :(
Yeah good point. First post I see is about smoking tar off aluminium foil...you don't need anything on the foil to get it smoking...which is always great to inhale /s
I like how you now know my life history and have skewed these events to fit the "crazy" category. ;)
"Was in psych wards." Plural ? First of all I already said that the event pushed me to suicide. That's how I ended up in a psych ward. My first and only time being in one.
Second of all. I have struggled with opiate addiction. I started taking opiate pain pills for my crohn's disease and it ended with a heroin habit 10 years later. The thing about opiates is that they do not cause hallucinations.
Psychedelic episodes ? The only times I have experienced a "Psychedelic episode" is when I consume a hallucinogen. I know it's coming and that it will wear off after a handful of hours. The amount of psychedelics I consume are very low compared to most others on /r/drugs.
Displays Paranoia ? More like anxiety. It's taken a lot of work on my part to reduce my anxiety over the years.
Takes lots of drugs ? I used to take cannabis and opiates daily. Key words "USED TO." Sure I've experimented with other drugs but that was a good while ago when I was younger. The drug I consume the most of now-a-days (and last year when this experience happened) is caffeine in the form of Coffee or GreenTea and beer.
At the time of this so called "MK ULTRA" experience I was clean from opiates and in the process of turning my life around. I was making progress on fighting my depression and had almost conquered my anxiety.
So I find it funny that I "went crazy" when I was clean, being actively healthy and was finally starting to care for myself.
I posted the short version in this thread. Only if you want to share.
IamBili ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:11:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't try to become a hero, write about your experiences in a secret diary, scan it, put it in several pendrives, travel through the country and share them with strangers
Or write a fiction book that aludes to your experiences and once you finish it, seek help to publish it
Hey, I did an assignment for my English class about this!
I've got nothing to contribute to the discussion, just wanted to say that. But yeah, I wouldn't put it pass them to still use drugs as a control mechanism.
goat407 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some that think that whatever is happening right now is done due to some type of advanced drug.
Others believe it's done to technology - extremely low frequency and some other types of cutting edge tech.
It's tech. Trust me, it's tech that's being used now.
If you ask me, technology is more aimed towards psychological warfare - influencing, distracting, intel collection using the public. I doubt frequencies can be used for mass control, that would require years of specific conditioning and you can't really control the public using generic low frequencies.
Then again, I suppose you don't have to - they can just focus control on few very influential people.
Edit: still think drugs are in use though.
weiers08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the theory that Patsy Ramsay (Jon benets Mother) was an MK ULTRA experiment. She was a former beauty pageant star and married the man that worked with what is now Lockheed Martin so she has a lot of info her way she could funnel.
MK ULTRA never worked, so you'll have to excuse my skepticism that the CIA magically unlocked the secret to making it start working. Hypnosis and LSD don't work that way.
Now there are a few drugs like burundanga/scopolamine that CAN cause "mind-controlled" states, but this is mostly just memory loss and drowsiness. You don't really have a problem with whatever's going on. This would be useful for interrogations. Not mind control though.
Just because one experiment didn't work out as having applications doesn't mean that they stopped there. Check out "the woodpecker incident/experiment"
Radio frequencies are at a different Hertz than your brain. Your body and mind are definitely affected by ELF wave frequencies, and localized vibrations. See: the new headphones that don't even go into your ear.
So radio signals are electromagnetic. Light is a radio signal in the visible spectrum. Your eyes are actually tightly tuned radio antennae for the brain.
The woodpecker experiment claims that it can emit radio waves that match the resonant frequency of the brain, calming you down and mind controlling you...this is horseshit.
He said to imagine LSD with the tech we have today! /s
Caelinus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that is how drugs work lol.
Seriously though, mind control should be possible. But I highly doubt it would not be overwhelmingly invasive. The brain is just too networked for there to be an easy override switch.
You can definitely put someone in a suggestable state, but that is not the same thing, but rather a kind of self induced trance.
Oh, it absolutely is possible, but we're nowhere near. I worked in a lab that worked with optogenetics.
In a nutshell, you genetically modify a specific brain region (e.g. the amygdala, which is the seat of "fear" and stress) to make the nerve cells start producing a protein sensitive to a specific color, similar to the proteins in the eye.
Basically, when a certain and specific wavelength of light is shown on those cells in that brain region, it can either activate that region or turn it off; so basically, the light can induce fear like responses once it's on, and they go away the second they turn off. Same with the inverse, where an animal is put in a stressful situation, and the amygdala can be "turned off".
The light sensitive proteins are made to express on excitatory parts or inhibitory parts, so the light works in the same way neurotransmitters normally would.
Now the reason this is so far from human use is that it requires either a genetically modified animal, or using an engineered virus to target certain reagions specifically and inserting the genes for those light reactive proteins. To activate those regions, small lasers are attached to fiber optics and secured in the brain region and attached to the skull.
Any way you spin it, it requires a canula (fiber optic thing) which means brain surgery is required. To add to that, we cannot do specific thoughts or anything, just activate specific brain regions. And finally, for humans, we'd have to use a virus to transfect those target genes into the brain, and that's a big no no in humans.
So using this on people isn't plausible just for torture or info gathering since it would require a skilled neurosurgeon, neuroscientist, and molecular biologist just to set up this project and then implant it.
But seeing it work on animals is crazy. I could literally flip a switch and make a rat shit from stress and fear, and then turn it off and it would act like nothing happened.
This might eventually have use for treating things like seizures that require brain surgery, severe chronic pain, and maybe something like Parkinson's as opposed to electrodes. It's a shame that it requires changing the DNA of part of the brain though, because that really lessens how likely it is to happen anywhere near the future.
I mean, I'm not against the idea that there are still people who try to figure out mind control or some shit. But right now, the top answers sound like nothing more than the ramblings of paranoid schizoprenics without any clear story or evidence
1jl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:10:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's good, but when they know, then?
???
Profit.
I'm not trying to take away from your post, i've already shown it to some. It's a good read with good sources. But for example someone brought up earlier that one of their theories is that the rich are pitting poor people against each other to distract that they are in charge. Most of the comments on it say that people are well aware that this is a thing, but we are still fighting each other. We still have what happened in Charlottesville just recently, and similar happenings every day. We're aware, but still doing it.
TL;DR I'm with you, but what do we do against government agencies capable of things like mind control?
goat407 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was even a frequency that could cause rage and riot like behavior.
I understand what you're saying. But we were close. We were damn close with our bioethics committee.
I went to my Senator and he resigned not long after asking for help.
You can make a difference.
Things can be done to expose this and limit their power. It's just difficult. If you look at most of the youtube comments on those videos they are taking the side that the people are crazy. That's the problem. How can you convince people that something that you know is very real if you can't see it? There's documentaries talking about mind control as a technology that the history channel produced some years ago. There's news reports that I've cited. But it just doesn't matter. People will never believe that they got tricked in such a big way. It seems like a plot of a video game that the "land of the free and home of the brave" resorts to mind control and robot planes as a mainstay.
Sc-krypt ยท 396 points ยท Posted at 22:25:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Google is big brother.
I was with my GF talking about stupid shit like what would happen I took birth control, so, naturally, we decide to look it up, she typed 'what would happen' into google and right there was 'if a man took birth control' I SHIT YOU NOT.
My phone was in the other room so I went and got it to do the same search.. it didn't pop up as a recommended search (obviously).
He said it came up in the predicted searches. I'm a guy and have literally never wondered that. I'm sure others have but it's really weird that it would be one of the predicted searches after just typing in "what would happen"
Well adding the "if a man" significantly narrows the possible endings to that sentence. It coming up by just when typing what would happen is very different.
sygraff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:45:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read your link? It clearly states that the recordings are voice searches you've made in the app.
It listens passively for the OK Google keyword, but it does not record any of it. Recording it would kill your battery and bandwidth.
mrtstew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But in theory, if someone wanted to record constantly or at least certain conversations, it could be possible? You're battery and data usage would just be way higher than normal?
If all is working well, yes. However things don't always work as intended. When I first found that link, one of the recordings from a year or so before was 15 minutes of a sensitive conversation I was having with my housemate who was going to a birthday party of the daughter of her new partner - my lifelong best friend - and would be face to face with his horrendous ex-girlfriend for the first time. At no point in the conversation did the term OK Google get said, I didnt have a push-to-activate style widget on my home screens but clearly something said was "misheard" as the trigger phrase and it recorded our conversation. But that's actually a separate issue to what I'm talking about, that is the retention of your search history, I'm talking about the device recording key information taken from what you say, not direct recorded audio files of those words.
Knowing that the listening feature is always on standby mode, and that at times I've had/seen targeted adverts for things that I had discussed but not searched - the same way that what you look for on Amazon will show up in ads on your Facebook page - heavily suggests a correlation. You state that data allowance would be rinsed at the constant uploading of audio recordings and I don't disagree. Instead I think that the feature links in to the use of cookies, with small cookie files being generated or edited by voice-to-text. These cookie files are what is then driving the targeted advertising when you go online.
If we know that entering something in a search bar can create a cookie, and we know that voice-to-text functions work without the need for a data connection (try it, it will recognise the words, just not be able to search them without a connection), its completely possible to have vocal input converted to text and stored in a cookie.
I don't think it's constantly linking back to and being recorded, I think it is recording key words/triggers into cookie files to help build the consumer profile of you for more efficient targeted advertising. I don't think anyone is spying on us, just trying to sell us stuff ultimately.
Sc-krypt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten the trumpet lesson question before too, I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with a recording but they'll ask strange questions randomly as a way of detecting bots.
Google Maps or Google Now or whatever it's called now has become so eerily precise that it can tell which store I'm exactly at in a row of shops, it can tell if I'm at a Trader's Joe or Barnes & Noble next door and even make recommendations on things to buy.
Pcatalan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think of google more as the middle child. Always there, people acknowledge his existence from time to time, when something is needed, but is ignored most of the time. He goes unnoticed becuase he is the middle child, but still hears everything.
I was thinking about watching Star Trek DS9 and I wanted the episode where Worf kills Gowron. So I go to Google and type "episode of ds9 where" and it autofills: "where Worf kills Gowron".
Always freaked me out.
JSlice3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:29:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha I just read this and decided to say a question out loud that I've never said before about quantum mechanics and started typing it and boom, one of the suggestions was how do quantum computers work. Just had a nice chuckle about it hahaha.
ZAVHDOW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tried to google it myself. Didn't come up until I got all the way to
what would happen if i took b
so that's pretty weird.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got "what would happen if a girl took viagra" after "what would happen if a" and "what would happen if a man took birth control" after "what would happen if a m"
I just said out loud "I wonder what would happen if a man took birth control pills", opened safari, and typed "what would happen". The third result was "what would happen if a male took the pill". What the actual fuck?
Caelinus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:30:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is pretty high up on my results and I have never asked about that.
I think people might be seeing a pattern where there is none. They are probably just getting results based on their demographic and past search history behavior.
The reason I say this is just because of the absurd amount of data and processing it would take to actively listen to people.
Yeah, except the witch was actually supposed to be in the movie, Heather just forgot to pan to the left when they were running to the house at the end. She was supposed to be on a hill in white clothing, we just never saw it.
Also, she's in the new Blair Witch.
I saw that Film Theory, too, but it's been busted.
dbear26 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:34:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New Blair Witch is shit, how did they forget to show the Blair Witch in a movie called The Blair Witch Project?
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 07:00:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dbear26 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:25:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok that's actually really cool. That makes a lot more sense
Are you really going to tell me the first is better than the new one? It's not great, but the first one is legitimately terrible. I know its budget was crazy low, but I can still judge its quality.
dbear26 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:55:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was pretty good for what it was, and if you read the explanation above, the emotion was very genuine because the actors legitimately didn't know what was happening. And hey, it might not have been a masterpiece, but it was good enough to have at least split people's opinions on how good it was. I think everyone can agree that the sequel and remake are both total shit. But whatever, to each his own
What is it with people on the internet and trying to make themselves feel superior, smarter or bigger in some way by calling someone a kid or making assumptions about their age?
I have an opinion that you disagree with? Oh, better try to insult him by calling him a 12 year old! That's never been done before! That'll show him!
I'm 21, by the way.
Basically nobody really knows who created Bitcoin, and whoever created it has the keys to 1.1 million bitcoins ($4.4 billion today).
What person or group of people would have the vision to create something that at the time was a novelty and cheaper than dirt, but would go on to become preposterously valuable.
Now what group could do that, and leave 4 billion untouched? The creator of Bitcoin has never directly spent bitcoins or cashed out, only doing small test transactions with people like Hal Finney and Gavin Andresen.
If one person suddenly had from nothing (a few computing cycles in 2009-10) $4k, $40k, $400k, $4 mil, $40 mil, $400 mil, or $4 billion. Then they would either spend some of it, or they have lost the access to them, or they somehow are unaffected by the interim time of value accumulation (e.g a time traveler, or a coma patient).
If someone from the future is responsible for bitcoin, they could take the private keys to the future with them and destroy the record in the past. If they did this, they would have effectively created an incredible fortune for themselves.
Additionally Bitcoin was so far ahead of its time when it was first created that even many die-hard cryptography buffs disagreed with the premise and didn't think it would work. Its almost like the creator was granted sight, or already knew having been from the future where bitcoin already exists.
Logically keeping that wallet/account locked (i.e Key thrown out) would make Bitcoin more stable as a currency, or am i just way too tired from being up all night? lol. Decentralized and all, if that wallet/account suddenly started spitting its money out everywhere, maybe swapping for Fiat currency here and there, etc.. even though the bitcoins stay in the system wouldn't that cause some instability?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Scaveola ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the US and most of the World this is wrong. No major currency is backed by a commodity. What keeps the market in check is people's faith using that currency.
Look back to when the Mt.Gox hack happened. BTC was at an all time high before that happened and then afterwards people lost a lot of coins and did not have faith in the currency any further (I was one of those people).
I know if something like that happened to me, I'd be so embarrassed I sure wouldn't mention it to anyone. I guess you could tie this into other conspiracy theories and figure he's afraid to use it since he could die if the competing monetary systems like federal reserve ever found him.
Lvl1NPC ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:25:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea how bitcoin and the like works so I'll just accept this.
Cypraea ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:58:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory: whoever it is is sitting on it until Bitcoin rises to the point where that nest egg is "destabilize the economy of a nation" sized, at which point they will flood the economy by dumping it in all at once, in the same way that large-scale counterfeiting operations could be used to trigger an inflation event.
Either that or buy commodities (or currency?) maliciously to fuck with supply, demand, price, et cetera.
I think someone assasinated the original creator. I forgot the name but I saw a recent documentary on the rise of bitcoin and apparently, after it went into operation, the creator stopped communicating with any of his co-creators. He suddenly vanished and nobody knows who he is.
I'm gonna be honest, it would seem pretty feasible for a government to assassinate the creator of bitcoin. If bitcoin goes worldwide and is used to pay everywhere, the economies of all the nations are no longer dictated by their own currency, but by a completely honest and decentralized currency, and I assume many govs would want as much control over their currency and subsequently their economy as well.
Equally possible that the creator never really existed, was a government cover agent, and that bitcoin from the start has been a government (or even worse, private sector) endeavor to control the entire WORLD with a new currency rather than a simple nation.
I know right! It specifically stated in chapter 2 verse 14, behold! the rise of evil, a coin that does not exist but shall be put onto my fellow man, bit by bit, through the use of the internet.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:18:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin's original development is informed by an ideology that wants to bring that about FYI, or at least sees it as inevitable.
See: Cypherpunk, Cryptoanarchism.
IceNeun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Government currency is never going to stop being a thing as long as you're required to pay taxes in it. There's zero reason for a state to feel "challenged" by other things that can sort of function like currency. You don't have a choice on whether government currency is a major part of your life. Sure, you have a choice as to whether you use that or cryptocurrency to purchase a few things, but unless you found your own state, everyone will need to figure out a way to make something that you'd give the government on the threat of being thrown in jail.
Some people believe taxes are inherently immoral. Problem is, it is unlikely a majority of voters would feel fine (for both "selfish and altruistic" reasons) about giving up all the services they receive from the government.
There are already crypto currencies that make the user anonymous, Monero is one example. When the dark web store alpha bay was shut down recently the govt. could not track where the monero came from.
IceNeun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that cryptocurrencies actually have the ability to be used anonymously fairly reliably. However, I wasn't arguing against that, I was just arguing that it is impossible to live a life (assuming you aren't part of a black market and make your income "illegally") where you can ever depend on cryptocurrencies significantly more than official fiat.
I'm even willing to admit that some people would be able to mostly depend on cryptocurrency, but certainly never a large amount of people will be in a circumstance where they can do that. As long as people need to pay their taxes in fiat, it will always be easier from the circumstance of a typical person to focus directly at earning fiat first and foremost.
I wonder if cryptocurrencies are taxable. Down the google rabbit hole!
IceNeun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, legal businesses like having documentation since it's important for pretty much any business imaginable to be able to defend themselves in court for anything and everything they could end up relying on the legal system to help them. Which means what they document has to match what they tell the IRS, otherwise the previous intent loses it's purpose. Which means that the government knows how much money their employees, meaning you, make, and knows all your "larger" purchases as well.
Which means it's hard to completely fool them, rather than just mislead, about how much money you make and spend. Which means they could account for the type of currency you tend to use in your life. Which means it is also in your interest to be somewhat truthful, lest if they ever follow through and audit you, you don't end up in a shitty place to be. Which means you would likely just tell them, one way or another, you are using cryptocurrencies to a varying degree in your life. Which means they can figure out how to tax you for whatever amount of cryptocurrencies you've been using.
All of this depends on whether you primarily make your money legally, since anyone who does get their income legally would have every desire to have the protection of the courts on their side if you ever end up in any sort and level of a legal situation.
Bitcoin and blockchain tech could cause a major blow to central banking, and thus all government currency. If this happens and governments are forced to restructure their debt and currency, it's not entirely impossible to have competing currencies at that point. Also, it's possible that most government currencies would not be revived.
TaiVat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:18:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin and blockchain tech could cause a major blow to central banking
How exactly? For that matter, any government could easily take steps to make it illegal/tax it. It wouldnt matter that its anonymous or anything, any financials gained by a store or anything but the most trivial of property bought by an individual would be trackable and subject to financial laws.
People vastly overestimate the overall impact of the little financial sector gimmick that is blockchain techs.
IceNeun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to hear of any person who was able to give up fiat money in all non-trivial matters.
I disagree that governments have that much ability to make them illegal, and to be able to meaningfully enforce that, but as you said, it would be trivial to find a way to tax from it.
For that matter, any government could easily take steps to make it illegal/tax it.
They can try, but then btc and other alts can just fork and create a new currency. Unless they think of all the possible altcoins scenarios and ban all those then any legislation to make it illegal will have little to no effect.
How exactly?
Partly for the reason I just mention, but also because altcoins work way better in facilitating transactions, transfer's, it's more secure, etc.
Cypraea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also plausible, given the type of person who manages to do this sort of thing, that whoever-it-is was assassinated for other, unrelated reasons.
Not really believing it, but for the novelty of the idea, I could see myself doing it if I had access to time travel. I've been obsessing a lot over what early-day Bitcoin would have been worth to me now.
I've been obsessing a lot over what early-day Bitcoin would have been worth to me now.
The best thing I've seen said in reply to this is what are the realistic odds you wouldn't have cashed out when it first became valuable? The odds of someone having bought in back then and still having their original investment today are pretty small. Probably only a handful of individuals. It'd take you every single day waking up and saying to yourself "nah, not today. I trust this will still have this much value or more tomorrow when I wake up." Every single day is a gamble.
Not to mention when Bitcoin crashed...
The second it started gaining value again you'd have to have the faith that it wouldn't recrash. Shit, your wallet is now at $10K. And it's already crashed back to $0 once before. You're most likely going to cash out right then. Probably even earlier.
I bought like 100 or so for around a dollar a piece and sold them when they hit like 20 or 30. Thought they had peaked and the novelty would wear off. My life would be a lot easier right now if I had 300k lying around.
also, its a currency. i used bitcoin when it was 10 dollars, and i used when it was $1000. i have no regrets that i didn't speculate when i held what is now $100K worth of bitcoin, because without economic activity within a given basket of goods, it has zero value as an investment.
also, theres still no telling if it will fail or not, there are competitors with MUCH more compelling technology now. if i did hold $500K worth of bitcoin, i'd be well into my divestment strategy by now.
SHA-256 could be broken any day. the second it is, the network will collapse. yes it can be rebuilt, but that wouldn't be bitcoin anymore, it would be a highly political altcoin without the decade of faith that bitcoins current market cap has been invested in.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heh. I first learned about it in 07-ish as I was looking up Cypherpunk shit for personal enrichment. Imagine how I feel now.
When bitcoin was around $300 each, I had planned on buying one bitcoin a month. My wife didn't like the idea as it was nothing tangible (the concept of currency isn't either...) I wanted to do this for about a year.
I guarantee I'd have cashed out at least half when they reached the $3000 mark. That would have been a lot of money.
I'm still griefing my younger self. I was skeptical as hell about it so i never bought it.. but basically i had enough money for 1 bitcoin and compared to now, cheap as hell.. veeeery cheap. I was skeptical, young.. and stupid as fuck.. Sure it's 'only' 4000 dollars now but even now so many years later thats basically the money that would pull me out of the shitter for good. Fuck me.
esatxE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't have held it for this long. Trust me.
It was for that exact purpose, but you are right. It's 4300 dollars today, but i would have probably pulled out a few years ago as i'd have needed the money just as much as i do now lol. I would have held it for quite some time still though..I'm a patient guy ever since a kid and i had almost $200 saved up by the time i hit age 7. I hate the fact that i got so skeptical about it though..but live and learn and all that huh.
These days i might invest a bit in Sia and just let it sit.. For me personally one of the most promising cryptocurrencies out there and they have so much potential in terms of their cloud storage etc.. There's a looong road ahead for Sia still though.
IamBili ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:43:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now what group could do that, and leave 4 billion untouched? The creator of Bitcoin has never directly spent bitcoins or cashed out, only doing small test transactions with people like Hal Finney and Gavin Andresen.
Given that such fortune is public and that it is risky for the creator(s) of the Bitcoin to touch it without giving away their identity, my answer for whom is behind the Bitcoin creation is a group with an interest into researching ways to create a currency that can't be controlled by any regulatory agency, but that it can be controlled by its main money-holders
It doesn't take much imagination to connect the group behind Bitcoin with the groups behind NWO conspiracies
Kind of a fun idea, but the justification for a time traveling inventor is the same justification for a non-time traveler simply leaving the money alone.
The reason the time traveler leaves the money alone is so that the largest return is possible.
The reason the non-time traveler leaves the money alone is so that the largest return is possible.
Plus, (and to be fair, I don't know a lot about cryptocurrency so I might be completely off base here) wouldn't spending or cashing out the money reduce the overall value of bitcoin?
One of the reasons Bitcoin has done so well is because there is a stable base of all these coins that never get moved, spent, etc. If you tried offloading that much Bitcoin the price would swiftly tank to nothing.
So, what's an enterprising tech genius to do? Well, you have that mega-wallet that holds all these untouchable coins. Meanwhile, you've been mining Bitcoin on numerous other rigs and sending those coins to a plethora of wallets.
Yeah, you don't have $4 Billion or whatever those coins in the mega-wallet are worth, but that's "get yourself suicided with two shots to the back of the head" levels of money. Instead, you're getting tens of millions of dollars, which is plenty of money, and at zero risk of death while also not ruining Bitcoin.
however, i find it WAY more plausible that "the gubment" INVENTED bitcoin, then disseminated it into the libertarian crowd that was most likely to use it for drugs and tax evasion by hyping it as some kind of panacea to the troubles of the federal reserve, which is of course, a popular libertarian talking point.
despite its reputation, bitcoin is NOT anonymous. its tied to IP address, and is, by its very definition, a "distributed public ledger". forensic examination of the network is trivial.
that, along with the size of the satoshi wallet, which is large enough to absolutely ruin the global bitcoin economy if it was suddenly sold off, (even minor activity on that wallet would send panic through the markets, currency supply is managed and limited for a VERY GOOD ECONOMIC REASON) makes me think that it was a very clever attempt to gain and maintain economic hegemony by someone, and the forensic susceptibility of the network makes me think that that "someone" is, or was, involved with western governance (edit: china is also plausible, certainly they've been benefited by it greatly, despite their protestations about it being used to move funds out of the country).
perhaps the proverbial powers that be simply don't feel like playing their hand on petty crimes like that. even if the hackers get caught, i suspect we'll never know how that particular investigation gets started.
Mr_Mars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:27:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about that though is that Sakamoto's wallet is really only worth $4b in theory. He owns about 1 million BTC out of around 15 million total. The current value of bitcoin is predicated in part on those 1 million BTC being out of the economy and inaccessible. Essentially, the value of a BTC is being artificially inflated by the fact that there are ~7% fewer BTC in circulation than there should be. If there were even hints that those coins could be touched (not would be, just could be) it could have a huge destabilizing effect on the market and cause bitcoin to crash.
So whoever Sakamoto is, he owns a vast fortune that only exists as long as he never spends any of it. And there's very little doubt that he's plenty smart enough to know this as well as anyone. But on the other hand he also seems to be a very clever software engineer and thus making money likely isn't too much of an issue for him. Hopefully he's at peace with it.
What person or group of people would have the vision to create something that at the time was a novelty and cheaper than dirt, but would go on to become preposterously valuable.
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Alexander Bell
Mark Zuckerburg
Time travel is interesting to think about as well as parallel universes. I mean, if time travelers came back and messed with the past, the present people would have no way of knowing about it. Did time travelers go and prevent things like all the things Hitler did? Possibly, but we could simply be on a different branch of the timeline where it never happened.
By having multiple parallel universes, it negates much of the paradox caused by interfering with the past, as one that hasn't been tampered with would always exist by definition.
I saw something on youtube about bitcoin recently and it gave a name for the person who created it. I don't remember the name and I don't care enough to look it up, but I was under the impression that it was well known who created bitcoin.
blkdnmt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:12:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin and blockchain wasn't really ahead of it's time; it's based on basic physics.
vesok ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:12:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Wow Okarin, you really like Bitcoin, don't you?"
"It's an enlightened currency for the chosen ones."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it seems like something from the 1920s.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:45:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Elon Musk created Bitcoin
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:55:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely sure it's a conspiracy theory but I think the Northeast blackout of 2003 was a test by the government to see how a major metropolitan area would react if an EMP bomb went off and wiped out the electricity. Many cities and millions of people were without power for days. How does all of New York with all of the power backup systems in place go down completely!? If they didn't plan it they took extensive notes.
Huh, interesting. I was on vacation in Cleveland when that happened. Considering how soon after 9/11 that was, I could believe they were testing what would happen should our power grid become a target by our enemies.
...Actually, the more that I think about it, the more surprised I am that this is the first time I've heard this conspiracy theory. Considering it would be easy to kill thousands of Americans if huge chunks of the country lost power for days or weeks....Yikes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communication lines go down, servers in the area go down, transportation of goods and services go down. The new York stock exchange offline for a week!?!? If you knock out power across the country for a week it could take months to recover and would cause a huge hit to the economy.
The blackout was definitely not a planned test. Voltage collapse is what took down large sections of the eastern interconnection. Bringing the power system back to normal isn't as easy as you'd think. Only some power plants can "black start" with no power - most power plants require electricity to start the generators. Many power plants, transformers, and other equipment were damaged during the voltage collapse and required repair or replacement before power plants could begin generating power. Ironically it was actually the preparation for Y2K that allowed the grid to come back as fast as it did and contained further spread of the blackout. As far as power backup systems most places do not have systems to deal with extended outages. These systems generally only cover critical components and may require refueling.
Source: I worked for an electric company during the blackout. I had access to the control room, real-time data, and worked with the historical data for months after the blackout.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well there you go. Well I'm sure it was studied extensively anyway.
vegan8r ยท 1516 points ยท Posted at 15:50:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sun is actually the center of the solar system, not the earth! The church doesn't want you to know the truth
Definitely a major conspiracy here. Heck, even the Pope agrees with you!
Funcuz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:05:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, just for the record, the current pope is on board with modern astronomy and evolution. He even said that basically you'd have to be some kind of idiot to deny it's true.
skylarmt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:01:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear, Galileo wasn't punished for his science. He was punished because he was being a dick about it and was pushing a heretical non-scientific agenda with it. Plus, his calculations were flawed and he couldn't justify them.
tl;dr: Galileo did shoddy science, got called out, started publishing heresy, was told to STFU, and published more heresy.
Heliocentrism? Sounds like one o them book learnin' words to me, boy. You ain't been reading books now have you? wouldn't want the church to find out about that...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:41:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The space is isotropic [citation needed]. You can assign any point in space to be the center of the solar system (or even the Universe, for that matter). But with the Sun at the center, the math describing the orbits of celestial bodies becomes somewhat simpler.
I mean... You are not wrong. Just four of five centuries off in that startling proclamation fact
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Galileo was eventually proven right but couldn't answer many criticisms of his hypothesis at the time and was a right twat about it. Don't be a twat to the pope, not only will it make him upset it will also make a lot of other people upset.
I do suspect that even through his sentence was commuted to permanent house arrest a catholic zealot might have had a hand in his eventual demise.
Actually, just learned about last fall: Robert Bellarmine was a contemporary of Galileo (a priest, scientist, and now a Saint) and communicated with him frequently over this. Basically, he was like "The Church has basically no problem with geocentrism, and scientists across the Church are realizing this too. We can evolve our interpretation of that one scripture verse if it's the case. Too bad that even though you're probably right, you're kind of a dick and you've written some blatant theological heresy and anti-Church pieces, so you've gotta come to trial in Rome anyways."
It was kind of a gigantic, more-complicated-than-meets-the-eye ecclesial clusterfuck tbh
Freakin nerds, if we moved around the sun then why do my books stay on shelves instead of flying off?
yg_bigj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never even heard of this before and am extensively involved in my church. Idk what church is stating that but they have no clue what they're talking about. The sun is definitely the middle of the solar system
Lizard people are real. When I was 9 I wrote a book called "Larry the Lizard" about a lizard who was a detective and had to find a missing plane. Twenty years later I see pictures of Ted Cruz and realize he's Larry -- the green skin, the tail, the fedora, everything. Coincidence? I think not.
Bullshit, there are plenty of people with green skin and tails and they are just regular people. It's just a coincidence that they are all powerful businessmen and politicians.
Or by whom. It was probably equally likely that a U.S. ship would be sunk by a U-Boat (much like the Lusitania, the passenger ship sunk by a U-boat during WWI that served as the battle cry for U.S. involvement) or the Japanese would do something to a pacific territory.
Yeah, there's a reason so many US ships were destroyed at Pearl Harbor.
Unless you somehow believe that FDR had the foresight to recognize the dominance of the aircraft carrier, in which case I guess you could say that's why they were out of harbor.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually they were all coming back. If the attack had taken place that night the attacks would have been more effective. If he knew then all the carriers should have been leaving.
I'll always believe that the "Paul is Dead" conspiracy theory is partially true.
The Beatles did place clues in their songs and albums to hint that Paul had died. It was all going to lead up to a big practical joke reveal. They gave cheeky answers when asked about it, et cetera.
But then Charles Manson happened, and he kept insisting that he had heard secret messages in Beatles songs that justified his insanity.
So now the Fab Four couldn't admit to putting any hidden messages in their songs, even as a joke, because that would give Manson legitimacy. They started getting really pissed off about people asking about it.
I was writing a paper for a class about Paul Is Dead when I came to this conclusion. One of my best papers.
The best was the showerthought along the lines of "If Paul McCartney had died and been replaced by a body double, his body double is arguably more accomplished than Paul ever was." Going on to explain since majority of the bands success came AFTER the supposed switch, along with Wings, and all his solo work and song writing.
At the time a musician told me he believed the 'Paul is dead' controversy was created by the Beatles themselves knowing they were going to split up and wanting one last payday (of record sales) before they faded into obscurity.
The illuminati - just not the cartoon version peddled by tin foilers. But there really are large, powerful, deeply entrenched organizations and entities who own the media companies, and most importantly, control the pre-selected candidates and topics on which the unwashed masses are allowed to disagree upon. Pouring money into the military industrial complex and financial rip offs are never touched, discussed, debated, or questioned. People cry over bathrooms, the sexually disturbed, welfare, guns, and marijuana. These are emotional hot buttons which opposing sides will never agree upon. And no matter which direction policy shifts on these things, The sacred cows are unaffected. It's a complete fraud. All of it.
Not really a conspiracy. I think, just like I believe many others do, that there's absolutely fucking nothing we can do about it without giving up our conveniences and luxuries. We'd rather live in a bullshit world with comfy beds and food on the table than a "fair world" with an uprising, a destabilized government, possible infrastructure failure, possible military invasion, etc. What can we really do?
I've flown probably over 1000 times in hundreds of airports. Ive never seen any of them act like the ones in the UK. Everything is a liquid (deodorant, chapstick, lipstick, creams, inhalers, mascara, etc) and you get one bag that must fit them all and zip. I get there are liquid rules everywhere, but none that have classified as many things as a liquid as they do here or enforced it as strictly.
All of the things you mention will be seen as fluid in every airport in Europe, the Americas and most other places in the world. Beyond that, I was able to fly from the U.K. just last week with simply my toiletries bag opened. No ziplock required. But perhaps more important, these shops behind customs have been there since long before the liquid in hand luggage became relevant. They are just popular and easy to carry gifts for people travelling.
Anytime I've flown from Ireland to the UK, there have been different standards for what needs to be in the little plastic bag. In Ireland (and in Italy actually) they're very laid back, require only actual liquids and gels to be in the bag, and off I go. In the UK, everything becomes a liquid. Even things like a non-liquid lipstick or chapstick, which I normally just keep in my purse. In Ireland, mini deodorants don't need to go in the bag, in the UK they do. I had one guy try to tell me my eyeshadow had to be in the bag or the bin because "it's a cosmetic and that falls under the liquid/gel rule!". I don't know if he was conning me or just new to/bad at his job, but it's ridiculous to have to completely repack a bag that was fine the way it was two days ago, a hop, skip and a jump away over the Irish Sea.
He was just following the rules the way they are set out. That some people are becoming more lenient is fine, but don't put blame the people just doing their job.
In what world is a pressed powder a liquid? Powder is literally the opposite of a liquid. If he'd been told that cosmetics fell under liquids, they almost definitely meant only the liquid cosmetics. I have never experienced a powder eye shadow having to be put in a plastic bag in any other country including the States, which had the most extreme security checks I've ever experienced, and I've also never seen any airline, airport or travel group advising people that powder make up needed to be put in the bag. It wasn't even on any of the written documentation on the walls around the security check that we were in.
All evidence that I can see points to the individual not properly understanding what needed to go in the bag. If you can find any documentation from the UK that would indicate that he was just following the rules then I'd be happy to look at those, but until then, I'm assuming that he was the issue.
I appreciate that in many many cases, it's the organ grinders problem, not the monkeys, and I try to be aware of this when I deal with people. But you don't get to be bad at your job and then hide behind "policy". It doesn't work that way.
I was mainly referring to that. But yes, eyeshadow shouldn't be a problem, but there was no reason to get that out of the bag regardless, so I wonder how this ever became an issue in the first place. And beyond that, it could be caused by a plethora of reasons, be it training, lack of knowledge, whatever it might be, but a conspiracy it is not.
I'm sorry if I was harsh. My experience with a ridiculous security guard isn't a reason to snap at you. It was just such a horrible experience. It definitely didn't help that he was rude, and thought the best way to explain why I hadn't had to have the eye shadow in a bag on the way over was because the Irish were "a bunch of lazy bastards who can't do anything right".
Oh I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just see where they're coming from singling out the UK. I can confirm they are stricter, but I don't think it has anything to do with their airport shopping.
Beyonce was not preggo with blue ivy. Aside from her belly folding, if you look at her recent pregancy now, its a huge difference. Everyone holds her to a high standard so she putts out the image of being perfect
Also jay z had his mistress killed. As soon as she was going to go to the media she dies out of nowhere. Money is power.
I definitely agree with the Beyoncรฉ one. Same goes for a lot of famous women. They fake their pregnancy using a surrogate and prosthetic stomachs so they don't ruin their image. And then a few months later after the "birth" they can sell a story to a popular magazine about how their hard work and intense diet and exercise routine helped them lose their baby weight.
Caelinus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:38:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a woman who did have an extremely controlled diet, and she only took a break from running during the latter half of the third trimester.
A month after her pregnancy she looked completely the same as she had before.
She was absurdly healthy and had a serious genetic advantage though, so I have no idea if that is possible for most celebrities.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:26:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Much easier to have a planned caesarian at 36 weeks before the belly ever really gets stretched and then hire a night nanny and a personal trainer.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:30:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just so I am clear you are saying that she looks really different during this pregnancy vs the first one?
If so it proves nothing. I was tiny and small with my first pregnancy. With my youngest I was only 10 lbs heavier in terms of weight and carried like I was having twins. I was the size of someone carrying two babies so I had to be checked for twins. My physical appearance in my two pregnancies was night and day.
Not disagreeing with you, but you do know she's having twins this time around right? That would account for the difference
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are pictures of her being pregnant in Hvar. Croatian journalists aren't professional enough to be a part of such a huge conspiracy as helping Beyonce fake her pregnancy without blathering about it to someone.
Siri is always listening and gathering data. If she can pick out 'hey siri' she must always be listening?
mean95c ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:36:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be with you on this except that my iPhone's Siri never reacts to me saying "Hey Siri". It'll react to rando shit on my television or just in the middle of me and others conversing, but never once when I've said "Hey Siri".
It maybe listening but it doesn't understand a damn thing.
That would take an insane amount of server space to hold all that data, and if it was sending data while you were off wifi then you'd know because your phone bill would go up. It's unlikely that Apple could monetize the majority of your conversations, so collecting all that information would waste way more money than it would create. Lastly,but most importantly, it would take only one hacker figuring out what they were doing before their reputation would be permanently destroyed, and they'd lose billions as people boycott Apple products. The risk/benefit ratio makes no sense here.
Except you can easily do voice to text conversion on the device, do keyword analysis and then compress the chunks and send that back for further analysis
Try walking around with Shazam on auto in your pocket all day. It will happily pickup and identify songs wherever you go. This is just an extension of that functionality
Amazon Echo - I can't think of when I'd need it to order more tissues for me, or to tell me the capital of Ireland, etc, unless I was constantly kneading dough or changing motor oil or otherwise had filthy hands.
You'd think that a being from an hyper-advanced civilization which happens to view employment as literally being part-time slavery would have better labor relations.
TaiVat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:31:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much an insult to Special Circumstances given that Musk is a glorified PR guy with a lot of money to throw around for his sci fi dreams. He's done a great job of building up a cult of fans, but hasnt really achieved much practical stuff at all, let alone had any involvement in anything technical himself.
I sure as hell hope if culture were out there and came to help out, they'd send someone more competent and, well, actually helpful.
but hasnt really achieved much practical stuff at all, let alone had any involvement in anything technical himself.
reusable space travel and beautiful electric cars don't count?
TaiVat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:28 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No? Electrical cars were in development before Musk and half of his research for batteries is stuff he took from other sources anyway, goverment research or something like that. Not to mention that said electric cars are nothing but a goverment subsidized gimmick for the rich only, atleast so far.
And "reusable" space travel, i really dont get the hype. Exploration, launching satelites etc. have been done for decades now, at best this brings the prices down a bit. Big deal..
no shit sherlock. but he made them sexy, desirable; which was my point
at best this brings the prices down a bit
i don't know whether to laugh at your derision or pity your incomprehension
it's already bringing prices down. and they will fall much further, the disposable launch vehicle is a high cost and a barrier to further space eXploration. Learn something and then maybe you would understand the hype
#logistics
that being said i do share some of your concerns regarding the personality cult, especially here on reddit
Edit: here is the relevant part "Salo, the Tralfamadorian explorer, is a robot built millennia earlier to carry a message to a distant galaxy. His spacecraft is powered by the Universal Will to Become or UWTB, the "prime mover" which makes matter and organization wish to appear out of nothingness. (UWTB, Vonnegut informs the reader, was responsible for the Universe in the first place and is the greatest imaginable power source). A small component on Salo's spacecraft breaks and strands him here in the Sol System for over 200 millennia. He requests help from Tralfamadore, and his fellow Tralfamadorians respond by manipulating human history so that primitive humans evolve and create a civilization in order to produce the replacement part."
kreynlan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:48:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They exiled him on Earth. He wants to nuke Mars for "terraforming," but we all know he wants to exact his revenge on those who would cast out the great and powerful Musk!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best one so far lmao. Would explain all the advanced technology.
TITANIC, was sunk by J.P. Morgan to help create the Federal Reserve
On April 10, 1912, the Titanic, largest and most luxurious ship afloat, left Southampton, England on her maiden voyage to New York City. Just before the launch hundreds had canceled their tcketsโincluding the owner of this prestigious vessel, J.P. Morgan and many of his banker/industrialist friends.
Inexplicably fitted with insufficient lifeboats, well able to survive a frontal collision with any obstacle, carrying the wrong colored distress flares, in calm seas with excellent visibility, the Titanic side-swiped an iceberg at 11:40 P.M. on the night of April 14 and sank. 1522 diedโฆ
Consider the facts:
1. Notorious banker J.P. Morgan, architect of the equally notorious Federal Reserve Bank and owner of the White Star Line, was scheduled to be on the Titanicโs maiden voyage, but mysteriously canceled at the last minute, โdue to ill health.โ Two days after the disaster Morgan was found to be in good health in the south of France. This fact alone condemns the official Titanic story.
[It is interesting to speculate that if Morgan had been onboard and gone down with the ship, his banking empire might have foundered, and the world wouldnโt now be experiencing the current JP Morgan Chase banking scandal!]
J.P. Morgan had several valuable bronze statues
taken off the Titanic an hour before it sailed
So many passengers cancelled their tickets at the last minute that the press got wind of it, and the Titanicโs โJust Missed Itโ club was born, boasting several hundred membersโincluding many personal and professional acquaintances of the aforementioned J.P. Morgan. Many of these wealthy industrialists would later found the Federal Reserve Bank and make a fortune from the unprecedented slaughter of the First World War.
Some of the cancellations...
Left to right: Pro-Fed JP Morgan, Joseph Ismay survived. Anti-Fed John Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim died
Amongst those on board were many industrialists heading to America to try and stop the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank. These powerful men opposed the competitive ventures of the Morgans, Rothschilds, and Rockefellers. Had they lived they would have used their wealth and influence to block the Fed and oppose World War I. Among them were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss, and Jacob Astor; all of whom went down with the Titanic.
There is a wealth of evidence, including forensic corroboration from the wreck, that the ship that sank was in fact the Titanicโs sister ship, the โOlympicโ. The Olympic had been previously damaged in a collision, essentially making it an insurance write-off, and had been switched with the Titanic and deliberately sunk as part of an elaborate insurance fraud.*
*Note: This is very reminiscent of the 9/11 insurance fraud. In 2001 the World Trade Center badly needed a very costly refurbishment, including the stripping out of hundreds of tons of dangerous asbestos. Demolition had been suggested as a cheaper alternative. Then, right on cue, we had the โterror attacksโโand WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein pocketed the $4.5 billion insurance payout.
There is also another, more up-to-date, Titanic connection: the conspiracy around moviemaker James Cameron and his intriguing filmography: including Exogenesis, Aliens, The Abyss, Terminators 2, 3 & 4, Avatar, Sanctum and, of course, Titanicโฆ A little research will quickly reveal that thereโs more to Cameron than directing fictionโhe always manages to be where the action is in real life as well, whether heโs hobnobbing in the Antarctic or at the bottom of the Mariana Trenchโฆ
How are the Federal Reserve and Titanic Connected?
Shrouded in mystery and speculation, the sinking of the Titanic has many strange coincidences and anomalies surrounding it, the most prevalent involving the US governmentโs central banking system, the Federal Reserve, founded as a private establishment in 1913.
Conspiracy theorists believe that many of the proprietors of the Federal Reserve were part of an Illuminati, a group of enlightened ones behind a New World Order in charge of overseeing certain events to establish themselves in places of power.
In 1910, seven men met on Jekyll island just off the coats of Georgia to plan the Federal Reserve Bank. Nelson Aldrich and Frank Vanderclip represented the Rockefeller (Illuminati) financial empire. Henry Davidson, Charles Norton and Benjamin Strong represented J.P. Morgan (Illuminati). Paul Warburg (Illuminati) represented the Rothschilds (Illuminati) Banking dynasty of Europe. The Rothschilds were the banking agents for the Jesuits and hold โthe key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church.โ
The officers of the Titanic. Captain Edward Smith circled.
The Jesuit Connection
Captain of the Titanic, Edward Smith, was a โJesuit tempore co-adjutorโ. Meaning that he was not a priest, but a Jesuit of the short robe. Theorists believe that J.P. Morgan was also a Jesuit and put Smith in charge of captaining the Titanic as well as being responsible for its construction. Those in belief of the theory state that Jesuits served their order via profession and that both Morgan and Smith were in on the plan. Smith had navigated the waters of the Atlantic for 26 years and was regarded as the master of the icy waters that the Titanic would traverse.
Those who support the theory believe that the Titanic tragedy was planned from the beginning. From the insufficient number of lifeboats, to the distress flares being shot off the boat being the wrong color, suggesting a party rather than distress. Theorists believe that the sacrifice of innocent and the deaths of over a thousand individuals was a planned, casualties of a war aimed at changing how the country and the world would operate. The whole world knows what happened on the night of April 14, 1912 and how the Titanic shipwreck became one of the events that changed the world.
In December of 1913, the Federal Reserve System came into being in the United States. Eight months later, the Jesuits had sufficient funding through the Federal Reserve Bank to begin World War I. Notice the Federal Reserve was established soon after the disaster of the Titanic. Those who opposed the creation of the Federal Reserve all died with the Titanic.
This can be debunked quite easily by looking at the titanic shipwreck. Although the RMS Titanic and RMS Olympic were sister ships there were still a number of differences in design as Titanic was built slightly later. One of the most prominent changes made to the titanic was the promenade deck which was enclosed towards the front, on the olympic it was left open all the way through. There were also quite a few other more subtle changes such as different placements of portholes and vents around the ship.
Also when the RMS Olympic was dismantled at the end of its life, the fittings within the ship still retained the original number used to identify Olympic from Titanic during construction. Similarly fittings and parts recovered from the Titanic shipwreck contain Titanicโs number and not Olympicโs. Therefore the ship that sank is definitely Titanic and not Olympic.
Something interesting about the not enough life boats was that the Titanic actually had MORE lifeboats than laws at the time required. It was only after the sinking that stricter laws were put into place.
And irrc there was a weird system in place that rewarded ship owners for having fewer life boats because then the ship was "obviously" safer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this was because the law regulating the life boats numbers were done in realtion to ship mass and hadn't been changed.
Basically when the law passed, long before Titanic, there were few ships above X tons, and not much above that, so they just said "ship above X tons must have Y lifeboats"
Not to mention the fact that the Titanic didn't hit the iceberg head-on. The ship started to turn when the iceberg was seen, but could not turn quickly enough and so rather than collide on the bow, the iceberg hit and scraped the side, opening holes in the hull across several of the watertight compartments before they could be sealed.
[deleted] ยท 372 points ยท Posted at 21:17:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So.... are you saying that Morgan paid an iceberg to be in the way? Are you saying that the captain of the ship who was going to die also purposely hit the berg? Even if you say that Morgan intentionally included too few lifeboats, that doesn't create the impetus for sinking. Survivors of the titanic recall the iceberg, so it's not like a made-up thing we have to guess at.
I think he left out the part where the Iceberg was in on establishing the new world order.
Jokes on the Iceberg's though, they got screwed over in the deal thanks to rampant industrialization their kind are dying off quickly.
Iceberg's should take this as a lesson not to deal with the Illuminati.
rabtj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:43:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think if you dig into the true story of the sinking of the Titanic you will find that the iceberg was actually a secret "boat sinker" submarine disguised as an iceberg, being sailed by a zombie Amelia Earhart.
Get your fuckin facts straight.
bigglenn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:06:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They set sail with a coal fire raging in the hull just about where the iceberg (any iceberg) would do the job, as outlined above op post.
Documentary 2017 - Titanic the New Evidence (2017) - Channel 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRa6MDian0
Yeah, this conspiracy feels like it makes sense when you're mired in all the little fleshed out details, but then you zoom out and see the holes. Not seeing the forest for the trees, that kinda thing.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a theory that white star swapped names of ships: titanic become Olympic and Olympic became titanic. Olympic had been damaged and white star was about to lose the early 1900s equivalent to millions, so they disguised it as titanic and planned to sink it. And some believe "titanic" sank due to a fire and not an iceberg. The damage to Olympic, which had been repaired with a sheet of steel got hot in the fire and caused a weak spot. All this was done for insurance money. There is a boom called The Ship That Never Sank by Gardiner if you want to read more.
The damage on the Olympic was on the stern though, which would mean the ship would have had to both hit the iceberg at the stern and sink stern first, which we know from eyewitness accounts isn't the case at all.
Democrab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:33:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Furthermore, apparently the ship design could have taken an impact directly on from the iceburg and likely survived with significant damage. The actual insurance fraud theory says they purposely hit it at an angle to sink it.
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:12:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you read the new theory where they believe it wasn't the iceberg that caused the sinking. It was actually more due to a fire on the ship creating the steel to weaken
Cypraea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of icebergs in the sea, perfectly easy to adjust course and hit one.
There's another piece of the theory that the 'Titanic' was rammed by another vessel (running with its lights off) that was fitted to breach the hull below the water line
bigglenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, pretty much that is correct.
They set sail with a coal fire raging in the hull just about where the iceberg (any iceberg) would do the job, as outlined above op post.
Documentary 2017 - Titanic the New Evidence (2017) - Channel 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRa6MDian0
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe the captain made it off. not that unreasonable to propose.
I've never heard of this theory before but I think what he is implying is that the captain was in on the plan and was an expert at navigating the icy waters they had to traverse and could have easily avoided the iceberg if he wanted to.
The captain was explained in one version I heard. He was in on it because it was his shop (the Olympic) and his fault she had been damaged previously. Something about honor.
Yes, the old adage that a ship captain who damaged a ship must regain his honor by sinking a ship, committing insurance fraud and killing hundreds of innocent people including himself in the process. It's basically the preface to the handbook "Admiralty for Dummies".
I am going off memory there was a really good post explaining it and Iโm not good at explaining it haha I was hoping someone would jump in and fill in details.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His shop had too much overhead.
[deleted] ยท 469 points ยท Posted at 22:54:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, both WTC towers have asbestos. That needs to be removed."
"Mmmm, that sounds awfully expensive...why don't I just coordinate a terrorist attack where four planes are hi-jacked and two of them hit both towers, one hits the Pentagon, and one crashes in a field. Hopefully the towers will completely collapse as well. Yup, that should do it. Now I won't have to pay to remove the asbestos. Instead, I'll just fake a terrorist attack and kill 3000 Americans."
Not to feed into this stuff too far, but if people knew that I had an asbestos problem, and someone from the CIA said "psst, instead of paying to demolish and rebuild your buildings, just take the insurance payout as hush money for helping us with a terrorist plot," I might take a little while to think about it.
The value of the towers was $7 billion. He was in the process of raising the insurance, but he hadn't gotten around to actually doing it.
TThor ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 06:02:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in the 90s various big cigerette companies were sued into the dirt by the federal government, because internal documents showed these companies had known the dangers of smoking for decades while at the same time telling the government and the public smoking was perfectly safe and fighting any allegations otherwise tooth and nail.
These companies killed people to help their profit margin; when dealing with big money I wouldn't put anything past sociopaths. (fun fact, it was this lawsuit that is the reason the federal government to this day is so incredibly harsh on smoking and the tobacco industry, many people in congress felt a burning rage at these companies in the aftermath)
That's what I really hope happened, but until FoIA requests can be carried out, I'm always going to have some primal, niggling doubt in the back of my brain.
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Schuba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explain?
vayyiqra ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:00:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes perfect sense! But how do I know you're not in on the asbestos conspiracy too and this is just a false flag to deflect attention away from the lizard folk that really did it? The rabbithole deepens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have caught me. My name is Larry Silverstein and this is my reddit account. I may have to "pull" my comment now...
Cypraea ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:39:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just arrange for terrorists to get the idea and point them at the world trade center; oh whoops, they took the idea and ran with it, taking four planes instead of two.
The targeting of the pentagon seems astonishingly boneheaded compared to the WTC selections, given the shape of the thing (it's a hollow pentagon, quite low to the ground, and much less populated); I can believe that selection came from a different source.
And of course the Pennsylvania crash was not the terrorists' goal but a direct result of passenger interference.
(Though as far as plausibility goes, I find it more likely that somebody was looking to kick off a war and/or jump-start the erosion of liberties, and somebody in the planning stages looked at all the various possible targets and decided it would be nice and profitable to hit the asbestos bird with the same stone. Whether Silverstein was in on it in exchange for the profitable insurance windfall or some friend in high places arranged it to favor him, could go either way. The general main weakness of conspiracies is the number of people who you're depending on to keep their mouths shut.)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:44:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pentagon doesnt sound like a bone headed idea.
Wtc - attack on the economy
Pentagon- attack on the military command.
If youre fighting a war those are the two biv things yoy want to kill because if you cant pay or lead men youve got no army.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing most conspiracy theorists overlook was that there was no plot to destroy the World Trade Center. The (quite reasonable) expectation was that the buildings would be damaged, the collapse was very fortunate for the terrorists. From a Bin Laden tape:
...we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.
"Though as far as plausibility goes, I find it more likely that somebody was looking to kick off a war and/or jump-start the erosion of liberties"
Cause and effect switched? 9/11 was used by the government as a great excuse to do things they wanted to do anyway, but their profit is no proof they caused it (similar situation to Pearl Harbour, where many insist the president must have been responsible because it helped him). To invade Iraq, there would have been far easier undercover operations possible (like arming his enemies as "freedom fighters").
Terror attacks are about symbolism. They knew that they couldn't 'destroy' the pentagon but it could be attacked and damaged. They had the same idea for the Twin Towers, they didn't actually expect to bring them down, especially since they had already tried that once before and it didn't work.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest issue I have with conspiracy theorists is that they refuse to acknowledge the possibility that what happened is exactly what it seems. A terrorist attack. They have to jump through a million hoops to explain every little aspect of that day just to make their idea work.
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 hit WTC7 with considerable debris, causing structural damage and fires (several eye witnesses described it as a "scoop" being taken out of the building). These fires went almost undeterred for the course of the day and several firefighters said the building was "leaning" and was "going to collapse".
If you look at a diagram of the building, it had a unique design, similar to WTC1 and 2, in that you have the core frame, and then trusses outward connecting the outer shell. Over the course of the day, a critical column (#79, if you want to look up the building diagram) gave way and the internal collapse commenced. This is clearly seen in video of the collapse as the penthouse of the building collapses (signifying the internal components failing) and then a few seconds later the rest of the shell comes down, as its core support had already experience progressive collapse.
Every single conspiracy video about WTC7 that I have seen leaves out the part where the penthouse collapses, simply because it destroys the myth that the building fell at free fall. The collapsing penthouse also provides insight into the internal collapse before the visible outside shell does moments later.
I'm happy to hear criticism of this.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When a flaming building collapses and hits another building, don't you think its possible that a fire could start from that?
The core of the building collapsed. This is shown by the penthouse collapse and once it had progressively failed, the shell came down.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:50 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The penthouse is used to signify that the building had started collapsing but wasn't seen from the outside. The penthouse portion of the building wouldn't pull the building over, so I'm not sure where you think that is possible.
As I stated before, the inside of the building progressively collapsed. You can see the progression by the sudden shutters of the windows from one side to the other. Once the insides had failed, the shell had nothing to support it, and it collapsed downward. Essentially, the shell kept most of the building going straight down, then the shell fell on top.
So the Secret Service and CIA occupied a few stories in the building...so they would need to demolish an entire building to hide evidence of the 9/11 attacks? I don't get it. The logistics of coordinating this to hide some papers is absolutely astonishing and highly improbable.
Check out 1:37 in this video to see a great animation of how it collapsed: WTC7 Collapse
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:03 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "scoop" helped weaken the structure. The inside progressively collapsed from one side to the other, then the outer shell came down. I've said it two times now and is also demonstrated in the video.
"...even though you don't actually know for sure." That is your quote about me, and then you follow that with, "It was a controlled demolition, that's why it fell how it did". It sure sounds like you know for sure what happened, despite not providing any evidence for your side.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:41:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when you invade a super-rich and geostragecally important location like ... Afghanistan! /s
Well, many people I've talked to seriously believe that. Left or right, they can't imagine that there may be reasons for people to do things other than money. Despite if you actually look at people's lifes, a lot of their day-to-day decisions are made because they are concerned about what others think about them and ideologies.
The value of the towers was $7 billion. Everyone took massive financial losses from 9/11.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of evidence conspiracy theorists need in order to prove even a single aspect of the 9/11 conspiracy is staggering, and they still have almost NONE. How they view the attacks is, "mmmm, this guy wanted a lot of insurance money for those towers, so therefore everything required to make that a possibility must be true."
JCelsius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still doesn't explain WTC 7. Check out "The ring of power" documentary. They explain how the leaseholder and everybody involved in the purchase were dual US/Israel citizens. Suddenly their country and companies recieve billions in aid, and insurance. It goes much deeper than you think.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They explain how the leaseholder and everybody involved in the purchase were dual US/Israel citizens.
As a matter of fact, about half of American leadership positions are controlled by Jews (roughly 2% of the population). I'm not concerned about this "Jewish privilege" because I believe in HBD, but it might explain how you end up with so many Jews in one place.
So a building just falls magically out of the sky, which building 7 did, and you don't have any further questions? In fact, there is recorded video evidence of the owner of the building saying "They had to pull building 7" essentially saying that fire fighters had to bring it down. Do you know how long it takes to set a building up for a controlled demo? Do you know the CEO for the security company who was contracted for the towers, and Dulles airport was at the time? hint... his last name is the same as the president at the time, because it was his brother.
There have been multiple studies of the area around the towers where samples have been taken, and have shown that neutron bombs had been detonated in the area. Pictures of cars that weren't anywhere near the fire but somehow burned confirm that a strong blast occured near the base of the buildings.
Also, the only firm that was connected to Israel (Zim Israeli) that operated in the Wtc mysteriously terminated their lease early and paid a 30k fine mere a month before the event.
I could keep going for hours, trust me, but if you don't want to hear it.. why should I waste my energy?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:58:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have managed to answer your own question. WTC7 had been on fire since 8 in the morning and collapsed at 5 in the evening. In several videos from Ground Zero, you can hear firefighters saying that it is going to collapse. Saying that they were going to "pull it" doesn't mean that the firefighters had rigged an entire building with explosives...it simply means they pulled their men from the building and would let it burn out/collapse.
That Bush myth has been around for ages and is not actually backed by any evidence or records.
Watch the video of the collapse closely. It is clearly the inner frame collapses due to structural failure, which leaves the outside for a moment as a standing shell. The shell then comes down with relative ease because almost all of the core has already collapsed. You can see the internal collapse in the movement of the windows just moments before total collapse.
No, please. Waste your energy. I love this.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lost the case to get his money, so we didn't pay for that. He lost because he was in the process of raising his insurance before it happened. But he didn't actually get around to doing it. So the contract had been drawn up with the insurance, but he never got around to finishing it and starting the new policy. (Which seems pretty dumb for someone who was ""in the know"")
How the fuck does having an insurance policy on a building and then filing a claim when it comes down make you a crook?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you think he made money off this? He lost billions.
He got a payout of $4.55 billion, but lost $7 billion worth of property. Then he didn't get to collect any revenue from the property for 13 years while he had to spend billions building a new sky scraper.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not an easy path to follow at all. I'm still unsure where the profit you mean is coming from. His total insurance payout was $4.5 billion. He didn't make $4.5 billion twice, or per claim, or anything like that.
I can see how re-building one tower is cheaper than re-building two towers. But with that considered, he still took a net loss when it's all said and done.
While I don't think 9/11 as a whole was orchestrated, I wouldn't be surprised if some wealthy people caught wind and decided not to tell, if they figured out they could uh... gain quite a large amount of oil.
I like conspiracy theories but the general 9/11 conspiracy nut is just too far.. There's heaps of evidence suggesting that the towers could easily fall naturally.. But no, controlled demo, thermite bla bla.. Just stop it. E: by this i mean the steel beams, jet fuel, all that stuff.
The furthest i will ever believe this, is a Pearl Harbor type of situation.. knew something would happen but just turned the cheeck for whatever reason.
I feel like maybe they demolished the building out of fear it might topple over and take other buildings down with it. That would satisfy most conspiracy theories since there was a controlled demolition and of course you can't just say:'We had to blow it to save other buildings, so we killed a lot of people to prevent an even bigger desaster.'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What degree are you willing to go? The Bush admin knowing a specific date and location for the attack and letting it happen? Or the Bush admin being in charge? Or how about the building being rigged with explosives and a missile being shot into the Pentagon? How far on the scale are you willing to go?
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:02:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You actually got downvoted, lol. This doesn't even take into account the physical improbability of pulling off such a perfect event.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was pretty damn close if it weren't for the passengers storming the cockpit.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This issue here is you point to "holes" that you have absolutely no evidence for, in terms of supporting your case.
People are desperate to believe it was a conspiract because it is terrifying to believe the US government could miss something so big. But they did.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think that the terrorists actually planned to destroy the entire World Trade Center? I haven't seen any evidence for them wanting more than causing massive damage. That the entire buildings would collapse was fortunate for them, they weren't geniuses. From a Bin Laden tape:
...we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, remove that sentence from my comment and then read it again.
There was speculation of explosives being in the building, since jet fuel can't melt steel beamsTM
Perhaps it was just a really crazy coincidence that both things coincided in such a way.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:59:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would take at least a year to rig two 110 story buildings with explosives and there would be trace wire all over every single floor. The heat from the fire caused the trusses to sag to the point of failure, not melting needed.
One thing I learned in Catholic School...NEVER underestimate the Jesuits!
IamBili ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always heard tales about several zionist/jewish families influencing the fate of several nations during the last 500 years, but rarely I read the same thing about the Jesuits
I wonder if you could guide me to a source that overviews their possible influence on worldly affairs since their inception
This is more of a out there poke at the Jesuits but it contains core truths. This too..
But basically the Jesuits are everywhere. They are behind the world's largest network of institutions of higher learning, including St. Edmunds College/ University of Cambridge, Georgetown, Boston College and of course Loyola University.
John Adams, Abe Lincoln, Napoleon etc. all voiced strong dislike for the order. Liking it to more of a militia than a religious order.
Thus, somewhere near every person of power, lurks a Jesuit. That's what the good Sisters always taught us.
Not discounting in any way the excellent Jesuit Brothers that teach and those that administer to the sick. They do a lot of good works but have a dark history.
Jesuit conspiracy theories really are so entertainingly ridiculous.
My favorite I've seen are the ones where they founded Islam (despite Islam being founded 800 years before the Society) and one I saw where Stallin and Hitler were leading rival sides of Jesuits and that was the reason for World War II, which is just so wonderfully ludicrous.
They have been around so long, that the theories make for endless entertainment. But they also have some dark shit in their history that helps feed the conspiracies.
"โI learned much from the Order of the Jesuitsโ, said Hitlerโฆ โUntil now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization into my own partyโฆ
I've seen that quote thrown around by conspiracy theorists but I find it highly unlikely without a credible source, and my studies of their history doesn't really find that much "dark shit" in their history
Considering the Jesuits are a monastic order, yes yes he is.
Caelinus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty sure doing any of that is very, very against Jesuit vows as well. They are an unusual order in their reach and influence but not really mysterious or sinister.
Look at any position of power or influence (advisors, media) and a Jesuit is either right there or nearby. It's not the Jews who control the world, it's the Catholic organization.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:04:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha don't be silly friend, the society of Jesus is your friend nothing nefarious.
Please you don't want to end up in the files in the Vatican of dangerous individuals do you?
Caelinus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it could just be because they run a crap ton of highly respected schools and produce extremely talented scientists and advisors.
Yeah this seems a little off the deep end to be honest, and he lost all credibility in my eyes when he started on the 9/11 conspiracy.
Kirbyzx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:04:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He sorta had me until the "Illuminati" part. Then, I just skimmed through the rest and retracted my upvote.
kopkiwi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is fantastically written, I will give him that.
kaenneth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chase Bank targeted Washington Mutual bank for takeover maliciously; bribing news outlets to post headlines questioning WMs stability without basis, just so they could steal it cheap.
Yeti1987 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:58:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the evidence of the coal bunker fire? One of the coal bunkers was on fire and the only way of fighting it was to shovel the coal into the steam engines. That's why they went too fast. Also there was a coal mining strike at the time and they only put on enough coal for the most direct route to New York so heading south would mean they would run out.
The coal bunker in question was located where the iceberg hit. The intense heat warped the already cut price steel the boat was built out of. The freezing water hitting the red hot bulkhead caused the rivets to fail flooding the engine rooms.
There were engineers room crews who survived and testified this both in New York and Britain enquires. The judge in the British enquiry was linked to the white star line company and ruled the event happened due to the dead captain speeding. So the insurance would pay them out.
What about the evidence of the coal bunker fire? One of the coal bunkers was on fire and the only way of fighting it was to shovel the coal into the steam engines.
Yeti1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better then dumping it overboard and drifting without power while people look for you. Titanic should never have left Belfast, they knew about the fire then.
We'll sort of, I guess, but what if there's a fire while they're pulling into port?
Yeti1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:32 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plan I believe was to use pretty much all of the coal on the way and probably fill the remaining space with water before repairs. The water bit happened, bit earlier then expected though.
He didn't in 1975 two hippies wrote a book series poking fun at all the people who believe in conspiracy theories by trying to connect them all. Turns out people took them seriously instead and now we have hundreds if not thousands of people who think the Illuminati are behind everything. Almost every "Illuminati" conspiracy you hear about this days is from that book series.
The book series was The illuminatus Trilogy The only reason the Illuminati are the bad guys was becasue the writers were inspired by the Prinicpa Discordia the holy book of a parody religion made by two other hippies in the 60's (Discordians are the good guys in the book).
Really interesting, but I'm pretty sure Cameron's just sightseeing. I think at one point he admitted he only pitched the Titanic movie idea because he actually wanted to go to the wreckage.
This is one of the few theories I've read so far that seems unbelievable to me. I'm not researching all your accusations. However, a google search revealed that the Olympic was finally scrapped in 1935. It couldnt have been the same ship. That's a huge factual error. I doubt the veracity of the rest as well.
I stopped reading at JP Morgan was too sick to board but found in fine health two days after the disaster. The Titanic boarded on the 10th and sank on the 15th. JP Morgan was seem in fine health on the 17th. That makes completely logical sense.
It's one of those things where they're stating accurate facts but omitting the details that make the conspiracy implausible.
scothc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was that jp Just needed some fine euro poon and didn't want people to know so he said he was sick
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:58:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And to think we make fun of Infowars.
falafely ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would watch the hell out of this movie.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's an interesting theory, but how do you explain the iceberg?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:24:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know the Jews very well, do you? Ice... "berg"?
scothc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the fact that the sister ship that had already crashed and been repaired multiple times before was switched out with the actual titanic. Pictures of the "Titanic" that sailed and sank didn't match the production photos and there was evidence of the signs and decorations being changed and traces of the old ones.
The mass death was not planned as Morgan or another conspirator had someone in another cruise ship nearby the spot of the planned sinking. There were records of the large boat loaded with TOO many lifeboats, wool blankets, and life preservers but it got lost/lost communication/missed the signal or something and the rescue effort was way off course causing the delay.
There's a whole thing comparing the ship from the bottom of the ocean to pictures of each ship etc.
The 5 Chinese scientists that had the only other claim to a billion dollar patent with the Rothschilds were all on flight MH370. They dead now. Convenient.
If anyone wants an interesting read, stick to the first half of the post before the Illuminati bullshit. It sounds quite credible, is not a far stretch, and certain things like JP Morgan not boarding his ship are certainly suspicious.
The rest is just babbling, especially considering we have definitive proof that was not the Olympic, the James Cameron thing is just fucking stupid, and then there's the Jesuit reasoning that borders on anti-semitic.
Anyone saying that it's cheaper to get a $4.5 billion payout on $7 billion worth of property, then not earn any revenue from the land for 13 years, instead of just removing asbestos... they probably haven't thought it all through.
rmurph22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah not to mention he gave a bunch of the land to the 9/11 monument and museum.
I think the Jesuit part is scraping the proverbial ship along the crazyberg, but I 100% believe that it really was the Olympic that sank, for reasons of insurance fraud. The part about the Federal Reserve is also somewhat plausible, but I'm more on the fence about whether that could've been deliberate or just a "happy" accident.
kingnai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Additionally, there may have been a coal fire that led to the hull being weakened:
There's a really good episode of Generation Why that addresses the Titanic conspiracy theories. I think it was a series of compounding, unfortunate events - a drunk captain, binoculars unavailable to the lookout, miscommunication with nearby ships, etc.
This is one of the most compelling conspiracy theory explanations I've heard thus far. And I've looked.
I think that looking a bit more into Edward Smith and his immediate family would corroborate this theory even more. Unless of course he is truly free from worldly possessions including some form of reciprocity for his sacrifice to his heirs or sons or charity or cause of choice -courtesy of the JP of course.
Recently I've been harboring thoughts that some strange aircraft accidents have things in common with that guy that performed the mass murder suicide in Germany. I'd be interested in looking into some of these guys diagnoses before the incident or entire health history to look for something terminal.
It seems improbable that they could plan to crash an ocean liner into a target in open sea at just the right angle to rip a hole in the side of a ship however. A mathematician could probably run some numbers based on the conditions at sea etc...surely the his has been performed. However improbable, a skilled crew as were likely assigned to the maiden voyage of the Titanic could have perhaps coordinated an incident. It seems more to chance that they captain had turned in for the night and the lookout crews missed the iceberg. Guess the could have hired drunkards or degenerates for that job.
It would be interesting to consider if another boat could have tugged the iceberg or at least did some reconassaince work to lead the titanic into an increased probability of demise.
I think the best way to think about this well substantiated claim of yours is: this grand scheme crafted by JP Morgan and other powerful men and confidants could have certainly not been executed to the level of its success (measured by the annuilation of his opposition to creation of the fed.). We could very well be talking about the federal reserve bank established in 1925 after the German conquest of Europe in World War 1 without any US involvement or any number of infinite scenarios. These did not occur because powerful people made a powerful play which will be omnipresent for the remainder of the existence of the current world in its relatively stable form.
Did you find this idea ina book, if so, where. Either way, I'm convinced.
There is no evidence of that the wreck on the ocean floor is anything but Titanic. Nothing. This 'theory' is absolutely nothing but speculation and paranoid imagination.
DeathPro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My great-great-grandmother was one of the people who had a ticket for the titanic but cancelled it. She always claimed it was because a man/angel told her to not get on that boat.
UTF-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting but you lost me at "the Jesuits". I mean seriously, now you're just talkin looney.
bigglenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They set sail with a coal fire raging in the hull just about where the iceberg (any iceberg) would do the job, as outlined above op post.
rush0312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read Secrets of the Federal Reserve, great book
emh1389 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the fire in one of the engine rooms(?)? There was a fire where they stored a huge chunk of coal that burned hot and long just before the ship sailed from manufacture port to England that weakened the steel between the compartments. And with the water pressure, it burst. Flooding that one extra compartment they couldn't afford. Also, I think only two or so of the original crew stayed on to sail across the Atlantic because they feared the ship was compromised.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A big problem with your idea: J.P. Morgan actually lost a lot of money because of the Titanic Sinking.
He had started the IMMC in 1902, a big transatlantic shipping venture (his main idea was to create more profits by coordinating the ships with railroads, but that failed for various reasons). A part of this big conglomerate was the White Star Line, which owned the Titanic. 3 years after the Titanic sank (and 2 years after JP Morgan was already dead, we assume he didn't plan that) mainly through that event the IMMC was bankrupt.
If you have a nice big paragraph as a single point on your list, but then want to separate it into a second paragraph for some reason you have to have 2 new lines to create the new paragraph.
But that separates the existing text so that it is no longer part of the list item.
See? Stupid ass formatting.
If you use 2 spaces, then a new line it doesn't split things up so stupidly.
See? Nice as shit, right?
I wish I'd known this earlier.
Now you can have multiple separated paragraphs (sorta) as one list item.
Note to self: Use this in all lists I make from now on.
*Note: This is very reminiscent of the 9/11 insurance fraud. In 2001 the World Trade Center badly needed a very costly refurbishment, including the stripping out of hundreds of tons of dangerous asbestos. Demolition had been suggested as a cheaper alternative. Then, right on cue, we had the โterror attacksโโand WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein pocketed the $4.5 billion insurance payout.
What??? This is ridiculous. According to NY/NJ Port Authority (who owned the building and leased it to Larry Silverstein) said that the cost of asbestos removal was around $600 million.
The insurance payout was $4.5 billion. He was in the middle of applying for more insurance coverage, but they hadn't finished working on the terms, and so the policy hadn't gone into effect. (That's the truth behind the "just raised his insurance" claim) The towers themselves were valued at $7 billion. Plus you have to think about the 13 years worth of rent that could have been collected if the towers were there.
So basically he lost $2.5 billion worth of property in order to not collect rent for 13 years... all to save $600 million in construction costs? Okay...
including the stripping out of hundreds of tons of dangerous asbestos.
I'm just gonna pick this one part out for an irrelevant reason.
I don't understand the whole "MUST REMOVE ASBESTOS FROM EVERYTHING" circlejerk. Sure, it causes cancer when inhaled, we get that- but when sealed into a building properly and not disturbed, it's a wonderful construction material. Strong, resilient, and damn near fireproof. It's only when you start cutting holes and making dust around it that you cause problems.
elyze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:39:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In response the the 9-11 claim:
The 9-11 conspiracy, is a government conspiracy. I have a relative that was a civil engineer in NYC when the bombs went off in the trade towers in the 90s.
Basically govt incompetence is why the towers went down the way they did in 2001. It's why it looks like "jet fuel can't melt steel beams." The govt didn't bomb the towers in 2001, but their idocracy and lying in the 90s made them go down A LOT faster and in such a way that it looks like they bombed them. When the conspiracies came out, and the engineers wanted to come forward and say "no, the port authority are just idiots, not malicious." The port authority and HRC basically threatened their lives to shut them up, because an evil govt is better and less believable than a stupid one.
South park was actually very accurate.
I was told all this fairly recently over a night with a few drinks.
I'm glad I scrolled down far enough to find an actual conspiracy theory. I think the hottest take in here is that the Fed is an evil organization trying to establish a New World Order. It actually seems like the Titanic part is the least conspiracy-y part of this whole comment, since the theory relies on many other conspiracies such as the illuminati and the Jesuits being responsible for WWI. If you could prove the other parts to be true I'd actually probably believe the Titanic theory. I think the biggest flaw in your theory is that sinking a massive ship is one of the hardest ways to kill 3 people. There are plenty of non-sinking things that could go wrong on a ship, and an all-powerful organization like you're describing would have plenty of resources at its hands to get together some other killing that could be covered up and didn't take so much effort.
Big business conspired with government to sell cigarettes and other tobacco products knowing it was killing people. Just by the way, to ramble for a bit, I have encountered historical accounts of ministers preaching for (or against) racial equality, against automobiles, against Demon Rum. I have never heard of a church (before the 1980's) preaching against the growing and selling of tobacco.
Henry Ford and Thomas Edison started a campaign against smoking in the 1920s. They believed it was the biggest health hazard America faced, after alcohol which had recently been banned.
They didn't make much headway against the advertisements of the tobacco industry.
Hi, my dad. He completely believes the only reason cigarettes are legal is because the government is hoping more people will die of lung cancer before they collect social security.
Ratttman ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 02:49:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They hired Stanley Kurbrik to direct the moon landing, but his perfectionism made them film it on the moon
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:20:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is one I like. Stanley Kubrick's the shining is an expertly crafted masterpiece created to make conspiracy theorists believe that he was hired to direct the moon landing and hiding secret messages detailing the events in his films.
RQK1996 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:40:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the theory actually came from directing 2001, ACC is often also mentioned for having written the script etc. as 2001 had very realistic moonscapes, so realistic in fact that in hindsight the only tell is the fact the Earth is not clear enough due to them forgetting one mathematical aspect while calculating the clarity the Earth should have when viewed from the moon
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and Arthur C Clarke helped with the math, though the flaw in the theory is that in 2001 (the movie) they made a fairly big mistake by forgetting to factor in the albedo effect generated by the clouds that was revealed after pictures from the moon were returned to earth
She caught pneumonia from some mold infestation in her apartment. Her fiance died of the same fucken thing right after she did, too. Hell I remember the media claiming it was an OD.
There was a fuckton of mental illness in that house. Those people were absolutely infested with it. I'm not saying she wasn't murdered, though. Just that it would be hard to tell.
Sirhan Sirhan was brainwashed by the FBI and CIA using MK Ultra developed techniques including hypnotism and instructed to assassinate RFK.
I hadn't heard anything about this, but then Buck Compton (the lead prosecutor) came to a club I belonged to in order to talk about his experience in Easy Company but instead got bombarded by questions about the RFK assassination.
He finally got upset with all the questions about the assassination that he came out as said that he knew that that Sirhan had been brainwashed by the FBI but he still pulled the trigger and it was on TV and that his job was just to put him in jail and what did it matter anyway.
You could hear a pin drop in the room.
I know it's true because Buck Compton himself told me.
If Buck Compton said it, then I fucking believe it. If Dick Winters told me that the Knight King was storming down from the Northwest Territories, I would believe that, too.
Yes! I've been waiting for this thread for years, for years!
I believe the "outages" of /r/thebutton, were farses created by Reddit to keep it going until it hit a million clicks. Why did it handle the traffic of hundreds of thousands of users so well for 48 hours, getting dozens of clicks a second, but it couldn't handle like a click every 50 seconds or so?
Reddit really wanted the publicity of the claim, and so every time The Button hit 0, they claimed there was an outage, which is why apparently there were so many at the end for whatever reason, and why The Button hit 0 just a few thousand clicks after 1,000,000.
That sounds about right. I also think that the admins waited a little bit to end Place because there were lots of misplaced pixels near the end, and they wanted to wait until it looked nice enough.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 00:33:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Larger ISPs are pushing against net neutrality because streaming services are on the rise, especially with the younger generation. When I say streaming services, im including actual TV, not just netflix. Online streaming live sports are a true threat now and that was the main thing keeping people hooked to cable.
The U.S made it to the moon in 60's but the footage you saw was actually recorded because they didn't have the technology to film on the moon at the time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:32:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fully believe that Jor El intentionally destroyed the planet of Krypton after staging a failed coup attempt and passing the blame on to General Zod.
What we have seen in film and media is a lie, it is Jor El's version of events.
Cornered with the High Council suddenly hot on his heels, he didn't have enough time to allow for the escape of himself and his wife; he activated his super weapon and was able to send his infant son to the safety of Earth. He did so knowing full well that the young Kal El would grow to be unbelievably powerful and would be able to rule over the citizens of the planet as a king if he so chose.
Luckily young Kal El landed in Kansas and was taken in by the Kents. The first time he spoke to Jor El's image he was already a young adult and had internalized the human morality.
I always found it interesting that out of all the planets they could have sent their kids to, none of them chose a planet they've been to or that they know people on. They send their kid to a far off planet and all of them chose earth. Maybe all of them that sent a child were in the coup...
actually green lantern revealed that earth was in fact pretty much the source of all life, and that every single culture on earth came from aliens. also earth is considered a back water planet not worth invading so it would be safe to send someone there.
I had to Google what beetlejuicing was, however... is...is it bad to do?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol no it's awesome
Mstinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Twix started the shit we saw in charlottesburg. They started the civil war.
Werrf ยท 1009 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple cartels are operating in the US, and they're a big part of why the average working person is struggling so much there.
By 'cartel', I don't mean a drug-smuggling group; I'm talking about a group of legal businesses and corporations who work together to keep prices high and costs low while pretending to compete with one another.
Cases in point: Telecom providers. It's well known that there's a literal agreement between Time Warner and Comcast that they won't compete with one another, that each has their sphere of interest and they won't move into the other's sphere. This has the effect of stifling infrastructure investment and keeping prices high. Healthcare costs are another cartel situation.
Voter suppression efforts by the Republican party. There's no real problem with in-person voter fraud in the US - there's maybe a dozen cases of it, out of millions of people - but Republicans are pretending there is a problem so that they can suppress their opponent's voting rights.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:24:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Werrf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't heard that quote. Good one.
[deleted] ยท 287 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They used to be called trusts. There was the beef trust, the steel trust, the rail trust, the oil trust. They all made deals with each other to control costs and set prices. For example, to insure highest profits, Standard Oil would get together with Union Pacific and General Motors and the Chicago Meat Packers in big posh private resorts where they would arrange the best deals so every trust made the most profit with zero competition. That's why we have the Sherman Anti-Trust Act which is why Bell Telephone Co. was split up into all the baby Bells for local coverage and ATT for long distance.
Maxpowr9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Airlines are ruthlessly competitive and historically have made essentially no net profit at all.
(Every time I mention this someone posts their "billions" of profits last year which 1 - is the highest it's been in decades and 2 - is still a really low ROE for the amount of capital invested)
Exactly. Haven't these ingrates ever looked at bus fares or train tickets? You can buy a plane ticket for $200 and get there in 2 hours or buy a train ticket for $150 and get there in 20 hours.
You are right for the cartel. The misunderstanding with the working of the market is that is not competing with each other for lower prices. But the highest return on investment.
I've always wondered can we really know it's not happening if we don't check voter ID? I mean, without checking a person's ID, there is pretty much no possible way to catch it if they're pretending to be someone else.
For example if we just stopped checking people's blood sugar, we could also say diabetes isn't a problem since no new cases have been diagnosed. Of course we wouldn't do that because it would be crazy irresponsible. I don't see the difference.
Sharobob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there has been study after study commissioned by republicans, spending millions to prove it and all have come up short.
Links? And can you ELI5? If we don't verify someone's identity, how do we know they are who they claim to be? It just doesn't seem to be possible to know without checking.
Sharobob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:31:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bush made it a huge part of his issues to fix during his presidency. Their studies came up way short of proving that it has any impact at all nationally and most of the actual corruption was done in a few small local races where tens of votes would actually make a difference.
You generally have to know someone's full name and address to vote as them. How many people's names and addresses do you know? Are you absolutely sure that person isn't voting because if they already have you're going to jail. Unless you have some sort of crazy organizational structure, there's no real way to commit voter fraud and if you fuck up, you now have a felony. It's just not worth it and most of the violations are because of ignorance, not malice.
At the end of the day, the risk of going to jail is high and the payoff is incredibly low because one extra vote doesn't mean diddly squat in a national election.
I understand that there are a lot of mistakes that may not be intentional fraud, but it still seems like a lot of those errors could be avoided with voter ID.
Ineligible voters could easily be avoided by requiring ID at time of registration in addition to when voting. Particularly useful when people walk into a poll, register then vote all at once.
As for intentional fraud, all you have to do is register a name and address then vote as that person. It really wouldn't be hard. And with the law actually forbidding a check of voter ID in some places, there is no possible way to catch it or prevent it.
There are many successful prosecutions for fake and duplicate registrations. For in-person fraud, people generally get caught only because they're dumb enough to brag about voting multiple times then are usually prosecuted successfully.
Studies may find this doesn't happen much but there's really no way to extrapolate the findings correctly across nearly 150 m voters when researchers are not able to check the single relevant piece of data necessary for their study.
For scientific or mathematical purposes, every single one of these studies is inconclusive due to insufficient data. Even the best methodology would fail to reach any conclusion since the researchers are prevented from gathering the most critical data necessary to perform the study. This kind of thing has no place in science or statistics but it's wholly accepted as a political matter. That makes no sense at all.
Again, I refer to the diabetes example. If we only tested people who showed symptoms (which are usually very far along in the irreversible disease process like ketoacidosis or gangrene of the feet) but tested nobody else, we could say that diabetes cases are few and far between. That's if we were allowing the same parameters as we are for these "studies" on vote fraud. But that would be extremely irresponsible and no health provider would ever advocate such slipshod methodology for diagnosing, treating, tracking or prevention of a disease.
How is this any different? None of the studies address how they verify voters without checking ID, therefore none of the conclusions are acceptable. They're anecdotal at best. I'm trying to understand what criteria these studies meet that they can unequivocally state a conclusion without having any data to support or refute said conclusion. The scientific method is how I'm used to doing things so can anyone break this down for me?
Sharobob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As for intentional fraud, all you have to do is register a name and address then vote as that person. It really wouldn't be hard.
You need documents sent to that address or documenting your residency there with your name on them (i.e. bills, lease, etc.). They then check that to make sure you're a real person. False registration is a crime as well and that gets prosecuted often with people who more often than not are just confused.
Studies may find this doesn't happen much but there's really no way to extrapolate the findings correctly across nearly 150 m voters when researchers are not able to check the single relevant piece of data necessary for their study.
There have been a ton of studies about it. They got huge lists of duplicate registrations and supposed voter fraud across every state for that commission and came back with nothing. It wasn't a small endeavor. Every study has come back empty handed. The burden of proof is on the people wanting to make the monumental governmental change, not everyone else's job to disprove an unsubstantiated claim.
For scientific or mathematical purposes, every single one of these studies is inconclusive due to insufficient data. Even the best methodology would fail to reach any conclusion since the researchers are prevented from gathering the most critical data necessary to perform the study. This kind of thing has no place in science or statistics but it's wholly accepted as a political matter. That makes no sense at all.
Got any citations on that? I'd be interested to read actual professionals who have this opinion because everything I've read from anywhere that isn't a right-wing thinktank has basically said "yeah there's no proof it's happening."
Again, I refer to the diabetes example. If we only tested people who showed symptoms (which are usually very far along in the irreversible disease process like ketoacidosis or gangrene of the feet) but tested nobody else, we could say that diabetes cases are few and far between.
What?! If you only tested people who showed symptoms you would find that a huge percentage of them had diabetes and that the diabetes rate was through the roof. If you did it with the supposed voter fraud cases, it would be akin to saying "the diabetes rate is actually shockingly low because even the people who we suspect have diabetes, there is almost no actual diabetes." There is some weird faith that there is rampant voter fraud but you would actually see people get caught for it all over the place if it actually existed.
Regardless of anything, I'll go back to where the burden of proof is. You can't just make a claim and say "disprove me" and you can't legislate based on a completely unproven problem.
At the end of the day, I'm not inherently against voter ID. Just the way it ends up being legislated. If we mailed someone their voter ID for free every voting year and never charged a cent or made them go to the DMV for it, I'd be fine with it. That is never what actually gets passed. It's always picking and choosing types of IDs that count that would disenfranchise minorities and the poor.
I'd like to point out that where I live, there is no proof of residency requirement for voting or any kind of ID at all. I had to supply multiple versions of both to enroll my kids in public school but to vote there I filled out a half-form and that was it.
I think you missed the point with the methodology questions. If we can't check ID, how can we be so positive that everyone is who they're claiming to be? None of these studies actually check to see if a voter is who they claim to be at the polls, not a one.
They cross reference voter lists with other states, with registrations, with birth and death records or various ways but not a single one actually verifies identity. Without verifying the identity of voters, it's absolutely impossible to claim that there's no fraud.
As for the medical example, if we didn't test most patients for a disease, we would have far fewer diagnoses of said disease. Using the 'no voter fraud' logic, we would artificially claim that cases of that disease are decreasing. No, they're totally not decreasing, we just don't check for that disease anymore so now most cases go undiagnosed.
I understand what you're saying about proving a negative and the burden of proof however those don't apply because until we check ID for both registration and at the polls we have absolutely no reasonable, logical or likely accurate way to gauge whether or not this is a problem.
Literally the only way to prove there's no fraud would be to ID people. Literally the only way to amass a single shred of proof would be to ID people. The claims that it just doesn't happen are totally made up because there's no way anyone could know one way or the other unless we check ID.
Sharobob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, most states do ask you to provide utilities or some sort of proof of residency. Regardless, due to the Help America Vote Act in 2002, all states do some sort of identity verification on newly registered voters based on their name and the last four of their social. So you can't register under a name unless you know the last four of their social or have a driver's license. So we do have a pretty good idea that someone is who they say they are when registering. If someone is organized enough to gather a large swath of names and socials, would they not be organized enough to get some fake IDs?
So beyond that, you're claiming "I think there's a problem" and saying "we have to change the laws so that I can prove the problem doesn't exist." No matter how you phrase it, I will never accept that premise. It will always disenfranchise people unless done in a government-side expensive way (which Republicans will never support) and I will not accept a solution to an problem that disenfranchises people's right to vote unless presented with evidence that it's a real problem.
I respect your view on this but we will have to agree to disagree. We would never be so slapshod with other critical things and voting is certainly one of the most important things we should safeguard and be proactive about in all situations. The current way of doing it leaves much to be desired and just isn't sufficient.
I don't believe that requiring a state ID would disenfranchise anyone, it would actually improve their lives. If a person is so destitute that they can't pay $30 and spend an hour getting an ID, then they are living an extremely hard life that would be greatly improved now that they can open a bank account, sign up for government assistance more easily and many other benefits of having ID.
In Ireland the car insurance companies are doing something similar. Money racket. All of them agree to Jack up the prices and people will still fork up.
I agree on both, but I'm not sure those are conspiracy theories as much as rhetorical re-framing of known events.
Werrf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm a sceptical person by nature, so for me to be sure that a conspiracy theory is true, it has to be pretty damn solid. I count these as conspiracy theories because those involved are still trying to pretend that they're not actually conspiracies.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:09:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think it's perfectly reasonable to present your driver's license or any form of your ID to vote. I mean, you need it to buy liquor, you need it to enter some places, so why not the ballot?
The common response is that minorities don't drive as much so they dont' have photo ID and that since they're so poor they can't afford to buy one.
Problem with that is that you need ID to do lots of things like: buying alcohol, buying cigarettes, getting health insurance, enlisting in the military, buying a home, renting a home, renting or buying a car, buying an M rated game, among many other things.
So why is it that the Democrats (who fancy themselves as civil rights advocates) don't ever bother to mention that minorities are also unable to do any of those things? If they don't have ID then they're missing out on an awful lot. You'd think that if Dems cared about them you'd hear them speak up about the whole ID thing more than when it applies to voting, but you don't. Pure coincidence I'm sure. /s
Everytime this happens some old 100 year old black lady gets denied at the polls because she hasn't driven in 30 years and doesn't have a license.
If anything we should make more laws so it's easier to vote. Hell in my state of Washington they mail the ballot to me and I mail it back.
The big issue with this is that Republicans have every incentive to suppress turnout, especially minority turnout. That's why it's so contentious. They will generally win elections with small turnouts.
And Democrats have every incentive to make voting insecure because it makes it easier for them to register dead people or to get illegals to the polls. 5.7 million illegals voted in 2008 alone.
(Edit: Bringing up the site's founder does not discredit the study since it was conducted by other people. Stop telling me the MUH KOREAN PREACHER bullshit. That's totally irrelevant and only a way for liberals to stay within their echo chamber. You know illegals vote, I provide proof, you put your fingers in your ears.)
And the whole "Republicans do better in low turnout" is totally misframed. You make it seem like that means they're undemocratic. Nonsense. That only means that they have a base that turns out more reliably than does the core democratic base. So when turnout is down overall the few voters that remain are more likely to be Republicans. Such is the consequence of the Democrats going after the youth vote more often; the young simply don't care as much about politics.
Edit 2: Here is the study the original article was talking about. Taken from an academic journal. Read it yourself.
Already sourced it. Keep in mind 5.7 is the high estimate, the low ball was a few hundred thousand. 3.6 million in 2012, on the high end estimate. Not enough to have turned the popular vote in either election, but vastly more than "none" that Democrats would have you believe and easily enough to have swayed other elections, like 2000 or 1800.
Quote from Brian Schaffner, a professor of political science at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst and the co-principal investigator of the Harvard CCES.
He's the author of the study that "Just Facts" got their data.
I donโt know any serious survey researchers who would have tried to extrapolate 100 or so respondents from a large survey like this to produce a range that large without tracking back to think about the dubiousness of that projection. It is totally worthless as a range of anything.
That took me 5 minutes to look up man. Be skeptical.
And both Snopes and Damn near every political science professor have either given to the Democrats or are in their pocket ideologically speaking. You said give you a source that wasn't info wars and wasn't about Soros, I did, you don't like it. You were never going to be satisfied with anything I sent you because it disagreed with your worldview.
Disregard the numbers though because that's not the point at hand. Democrats love to say that the whole voter ID thing is about protecting minority voting rights. They fancy themselves as civil rights advocates and make anti-racism a core component of their platform. So let's grant them that minorities are unable to get IDs. That would mean that minorities also couldn't.....
1) Drive a car.
2) Get Health insurance
3) Buy a house
4) Rent a house
5) Enlist in the military
6) Buy alchohol
7) Buy cigarettes
8) Buy M rated video games
9) Buy R rated movies
10) Buy a gun
11) Buy auto insurance
....among many other things I'm sure I'm missing. So if it's true that minorities don't have ID and are too poor to get one then that means that they're also unable to partake in any of those things. Some of which are hugely important to living a normal life (it's illegal to not have auto insurance in most states). So why do the self-proclaimed civil rights advocates not demand that we get minorities an ID? Seems like it'd satisfy both sides; Democrats could play it off as advancing civil rights because it opened up all those avenues which were closed to minorities, and Republicans could rejoice in more secure elections. But they don't. Why is that?
Because Democrats know that they stand to benefit from having insecure elections. Take the state of California, in which has 11 counties with more registered voters than elligible voters. Must be a coincidence that that only happens in deep blue states, no? Or is Yahoo a fringe conservative sight too?
But he's right about the numbers. I work in stats, 100 people is not a big enough sample size to extrapolate to the whole country. A quick look at sample sizes determines it'd need to be about 16,000~ people (representative of the pop. as a whole) to be accurate of the voting populace. Basic statistics.
How do you answer that point, irrelevant of the argument that existence without ID is impossible in modern America?
I think if you're using he numbers as a key source, it is the point at hand here. I don't care about the argument here, I care about the proof you are claiming.
I answer it by saying that even poor stats gathering refuted I Democrats claims that no fraud happens at all I also answer it as irrelevant. You don't need to have enough fraud to change an election for it to be a problem. Let's say I being an illegal in and tell them to vote against whoever you do. That one vote is not enough to change the outcome but it renders your vote irrelevant. It cancels out yours.
What you're essentially saying is that it's ok to have a certain number of peoples votes cancelled out, drown out by intelligible people simply because it didn't change things overall. That means to you it's not that the process is sacred, it's that it gives you the desired outcome so it doesn't matter at all.
Voter fraud is like rape, murder, theft, or whatever I other heinous crime in the sense that anything above 0 is too much. You don't tolerate any of those things, we shouldn't tolerate any voter fraud. Democrars being coy on it is just them covering up. They know that there's far more things happening than the public realized and voter ID laws are the first step to exposing it.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've NEVER met anyone that didn't have access to some kind of ID.
I have. There are plenty of people who don't drive or have state ID. They tend to be college students, the elderly, etc. Coincidentally, all of these groups lean left.
Pyrhhus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:38:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, if you can't even be assed to go get an ID, you're too irresponsible to have a say in running the most powerful nation on the planet anyways. Having an ID is a pretty damn low bar, its frankly pathetic if people whine about not being able to even do that
cld8 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:45:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may be your opinion, but who gave you the right to decide who is responsible enough to have a say in the government? Democracy means that everyone has an equal say. The homeless guy living under the bridge has just as much say as the CEO of a major company. You can't set arbitrary requirements based on who you think is responsible enough to vote.
Piratian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing we're not really a democracy, and more a republic. We vote for people to go ignore us and not vote for what we wanted them to.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have elements of both democracy and republic. Many states have ballot measures, for example.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:41:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee that homeless guy has an ID to buy liquor with
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:15:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to bother continuing a conversation with someone who makes absurd "guarantees" that are easy to disprove. Apparently you aren't concerned with facts, and just make stuff up to suit your argument.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently you don't spend a lot of time around homeless people. They really like liquor. Never met one without an id
cld8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've met several without ID. Your experiences aren't representative of everyone.
Crumbaa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need an ID. You need a day off from work to diddle around at the DMV/RMV/whatever. You also need to pay the fee to get that ID (AKA a poll tax).
You're saying that people living paycheck to paycheck/working multiple jobs who can't take a day off work shouldn't be allowed to vote?
You can get a job with a school ID or an out of state ID. You can't vote with it. Also it's not necessarily about the cost of the ID itself, but the lost wages from taking time off work to go get it.
I don't know the US, but in Brazil most homeless people have IDs. Here we need 2 documents to vote. I have no idea how requiring an ID is vote supression
Crumbaa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:17:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are they issued free of any fee? Also in Brazil voting is compulsory, so it's not really comparable to the US.
Poll taxes and voter suppression have a long, gross history in the US. Unless we make significant changes to how IDs are obtained and paid for, requiring an ID will continue to be effective voter suppression.
Pyrhhus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spent most of my life below the poverty line living paycheck to paycheck, and I've had a valid ID since I was 18 as a matter of basic personal responsibility.
To even insinuate that poor people are not able to do something so basic as get an ID is patronizing and infantilizing. They're poor, not children.
Crumbaa ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:39:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Says the guy placing himself above them since he has "basic personal responsibility"
Pyrhhus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:11:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres a reason some of us escape poverty and others don't. Living in the ghetto you learn that most of the people there end up staying there so long because of their own poor choices. Substance abuse, theft, obsession with get rich quick schemes and MLM bullshit, horrible work ethic, sleeping around having kids they can't afford, and wasting their money on dumb shit.
I did some of these things myself, and the first step in escaping the cycle of poverty is to learn the lesson of personal responsibility. Is the system unfair? Sure, it is. But at a certain point I had to realize I could either spend the rest of my life down here in the gutter crying about it and yelling that someone should make it better, or I can suck it up and start clawing my way out.
For many, it's simply an issue of logistics. Imagine being so poor that Missing any time from work means you don't make rent or can't afford enough food for the month. Now think about how you're too poor to have your own transportation. Now realize again that you can't miss any time from work from your job that requires you to be present during operating hours of a government office that can issue you a new ID. Since you can't afford to miss the time from work and now don't have your own transportation to make it to an office and back in time during your break, the hurdle has suddenly become significantly higher to perform a simple task.
And this is before we even get to how long it would take to use unreliable public transportation in which you would likely have to take at least a half day of work off simply to get the ID. Then, you may have an incredibly lengthy wait at the office to get said ID, forcing you to take an entire day off, and now you risk being evicted, fired, etc.
What seems like such a simple task for you may require a less fortunate individual to clear multiple difficult hurdles to complete. Not the topic we are discussing, but this is also a perfect example of privilege. Many people don't realize just how hard it is for poor people to complete simple tasks without it having a drastic effect on the rest of their life. Life is a constant game of surviving by a single thread where even a minor setback means losing nearly all of what little you currently have, and even the highest amount of "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps" is nowhere near a guarantee of pulling themselves out of it because it is such an uphill climb that even minor obstacles can become mountains that take years of grinding to clear. Sure, if everything goes according to plan, nothing veers askew, and they catch a lucky break or two along the way, they may be able to get out of that hole and become very successful by conventional standards, but the odds of that happening are immensely against their favor even if everything goes according to plan to the point where making it out is an outlier. Not having to battle that is privilege, and having to never experience it means you can probably never understand fully what your privilege is and how much of a leg up it is for you.
Werrf ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 20:11:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting that you jump straight to Voter ID...I didn't mention voter ID. That said, are you going around asking everyone you know for their ID??
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:32:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Werrf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:56:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voter suppression involves more than just voter ID laws, though they are a big part of it.
First, bear in mind that in-person voter fraud - the kind that ID laws are supposedly meant to prevent - basically doesn't happen. It's a big risk for only a single vote, and there really aren't any cases of it happening. So if there isn't a problem that ID laws need to address, why are they being so energetically pushed by the right?
Do a little research, and you'll find that yeah, it actually can be pretty hard for some people to get an approved ID. Voter ID laws also don't tend to include any provisions to make it easier to get ID, or to even tell people what ID they're going to need to vote.
But voter suppression also includes issues like purging electoral rolls of people who are eligible to vote, setting up inadequate voting facilities in certain districts, etc. It's about more than just ID, is what I'm saying.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:49:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of people who don't have IDs. College students, who often don't drive or have out-of-state IDs (also, in many state the laws are specifically designed so that so that college IDs are not valid), poor urban people who rely on public transportation and can't afford to take off work to get a state ID, poor old people who no longer drive, immigrants... You're definitely right that most people have IDs, but the people who don't usually belong to groups that traditionally vote Democrat.
you also get your DL revoked if you're behind on child support. So if someone doesn't pay child support, they could potentially not be able to vote.
Crumbaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL your friends are representative of all Americans.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:40:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Werrf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is with everyone assuming I'm talking about voter ID? Yes, that's part of it, but just part. There's a helluva lot of ways Republicans are using to suppress the vote.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason everyone is latching onto IDs is because that's the most common argument for voter suppression, that people who typically lean democrat are less able to get ID. As to the rest of your comment what other ways are republicans suppressing the vote in your eyes?
Texas' election maps have been ruled illegal every single year for the past 30 years iirc.
Sharobob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As is tradition. They draw up a new illegal one just before the election, have the election, and go "whoops" when the judge declares it illegal. Repeat ad nauseam.
Nothing's wrong with it, actually surprised we don't have it. But the law that was brought up locally for me was very poorly written. If we could get a voter ID for everyone it'd be great. But then the gov would have to pay for it. If the law is written well pretty sure everyone would be on board
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:49:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dead people vote for Democrats all the time. Is it that hard to get an ID? Don't you think its a little ridiculous that you can just walk into a polling place and simply state who you are and they're just supposed to believe you?
Sharobob ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[Citation Needed]
Pretty much every case of that is when an old person votes early or sends in an absentee ballot and dies before Election Day. There are almost no documented cases of people voting under the name of a dead person.
Similar results have come from every investigation regarding illegal immigrants voting. In fact, the only three cases in 2016 of voter fraud were people trying to vote for trump twice "because they didn't think their vote would get counted" and they were arrested.
Voter fraud is hard. One vote has very little effect and it comes with a huge amount of risk. If you're an illegal immigrant you're not going to risk being caught and deported for that crap.
Suffuri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ACORN is probably what he's referring to, methinks.
Sharobob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking real proof. An in-depth study. Not just a hack like O'Keefe editing people out of context.
Piratian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:54:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing you didn't see that 11 counties in California alone had more votes then american citizens over 18? San Diego had 40% more votes then US citizens that lived in the area as per census data.
How about when the NYC Commissioner of the Board of Elections admitted on camera they bus people around to multiple polling stations to get as many votes in for their candidate as they can?
And ID for voting is not voter suppression in any way shape or form. You literally need ID for anything else, requiring it for voting is not suppression at all. You can't.... Drive, drink, buy a gun, open a bank account, get a job, get a house, apply for government benefits, buy cigarettes, adopt an animal, go to a casino, pick up prescriptions, legally hold a rally or protest, buy M rated video games, or purchase medication, all of those REQUIRE ID, so ID for voting is far from voter suppression.
Sources for the San Diego and the NYC claim, please.
Piratian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NYC one is REALLY easy to find, the San Diego one is based on 2 year old census data, but i HIGHLY doubt the area grew over 40% in 2 years alone. The relevant parts are right at the beginning of the Video, and page 2 after the first point, it also shows the other 10 counties that have higher vote counts then 18+ citizens.
They abused their own system. The DNC could decide to stop holding primaries and it would be legal as primaries are private organization elections.
Werrf ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:23:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a difference between suppressing voters in a primary and suppressing voters in actual elections. Remember, the parties are both private organisations - there's no law that even requires them to hold primaries, they could just appoint a nominee and leave it at that.
(To be clear - I don't approve of what the Dems did to sabotage the best candidate they had and prop up a bad one, but I don't think it's on the same level as Republican voter suppression).
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:34:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Requiring a voter to present a valid government id isn't suppression. So please explain how simply asking the voter to prove that they are the person registered to vote would prevent someone from voting.
I find it very hard to believe that any person legally able to vote doesn't have some form of official ID or isn't able to get one, especially when election boards in states with such laws will provide free ID cards.
That site has a clear Democrat bias. From their about page: "ThinkProgress is a news site dedicated to providing our readers with rigorous reporting and analysis from a progressive perspective." Their founder and editor-in-chief was a research director for Clinton's campaign.
They've hidden their sketchier claims behind links, most of them just different forms of the "requiring voter ID is disenfranchisement" debate. Many of them lead to the same few pages. For example, this paragraph:
"In total, roughly 1.5 million Florida residents (almost 2.5 percent of the stateโs population) are disenfranchised because of the law, which white
lawmakers designed in the years after the Civil War in a deliberate attempt
to dilute the voting power of freed slaves. This year, one in four of Floridaโs
black residents could not cast a ballot."
This page is linked three times in that article, and is the only citation in it. The citation to the 1.5 million claim on that page is a broken link. There is no citation that it was "a deliberate attempt to dilute the voting power of freed slaves." The citation to the one if four statement is also a broken link.
Try some more links throughout the article and see how well their information is supported.
I'm not going to weigh in on this issue as a whole; I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. I'm just trying to point out that it isn't as easy as you claim to find information on a topic as complicated as this.
mrv3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't those cartels fund the party who'd help them the most.
Didn't Hillary spend $400 million more than Trump. Where did that money come from?
Werrf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:00:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, the cartels fund both political parties, so they're guaranteed to get what they want. What, you think that because I'm a liberal I'm going to defend the conservative Democratic party??
mrv3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does that include Bernie as he ran from DNC nominee...
Werrf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie is an Independent. He ran as a Democratic candidate because it was the best opportunity for him to get a presidential nomination.
The party as an entity is corrupt; that doesn't mean there aren't some good individuals in the party.
mrv3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:53:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the old "He just joined the corrupt organization to become it's leader and get money and fame from it, but it'll work out... I swear"
I don't join a neo-Nazi party and go "I'll fix it from the inside"
I don't join the tea party and go "I'll fix it from the inside"
So why is it fine for Bernie to join such a corrupt organization (your words) and fix it from the inside? Only then to brake promises and support one of it's most corrupt members?
Sounds like the facts are at odds with your opinion.
Let's say Bernie is the non-corrupt individuals... why would someone not corrupt end up supporting some as bad and as corrupt as Hillary who and this has been shown in court had the government help her get elected. That's extreme corruption.
K20BB5 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:12:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think it shouldn't be required to show ID when you vote? If you think Republicans are doing it to suppress voting, why not work to make IDs more accessible which is the real problem?
Werrf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think it shouldn't be required to show ID when you vote?
Because it's unnecessary, because in person voter fraud doesn't happen. As in, there are 33 "questionable" votes out of one billion.
If you think Republicans are doing it to suppress voting, why not work to make IDs more accessible which is the real problem?
I have no problem with people doing this. I'm not a politician, though, so there's not a great deal I can do. And the real problem isn't that ID's aren't accessible enough, it's that Republicans are trying to suppress the vote. ID laws are only of the methods they're using.
Suffuri ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:46:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you block all investigation into voter fraud, and refuse to let people implement a voter ID requirement, it is quite hard to prove voter fraud. Now, if required voter ID laws came with free IDs, as most of the proposed ones do, it should be a win-win for everyone, yes?
I was right with you until you went full retard with the republican shit. Sorry bro, both parties Gerry mander and have had a long time to get good at it. Also, when citizens of foreign countries start voting in other counties elections. The UN calls for a recount. It's a sign of a banana republic that they can't keep their shit straight for an election.
The democrats know that most new immigrants and illegal aliens vote democrat, so they are all for it.
Imagine if 11 million Americans traveled to Mexico , china or any country, for work , then they started voting in their elections. Can you imagine the fallout? It would be violence
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:35:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course a The Donald person is gonna BOF SIDE
mcapozzi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cable TV cartel isn't really a cartel. The reason there are geographic monopolies is because the infrastructure is cost prohibitive to duplicate. 500ft of cable company plant costs approximately 10000 dollars in labor and materials. Other examples of geographic monopolies are (water, gas, and electric).
The reason why fiber networks haven't taken off is because the cost of infrastructure is too high compared to the revenue that would be generated. This is why fiber networks only exist in "high-rent districts". This is also why Google is looking to use wireless only 5G networks (cheaper to deploy).
Cable companies have been putting tens of millions of dollars into their networks just to keep up with the data demands of their customers. Most markets now have a 300Mbps offering which required plant cleanup, upgrades and millions in capital equipment costs. Remember, 10 years ago most people only had 10Mbps data service and there were only a few HD channels.
Within the next 5 years, cable companies will have the technology to provide Gigabit service across a footprint that residential fiber networks couldn't dream of covering.
Werrf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:25:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other examples of geographic monopolies are (water, gas, and electric).
And isn't it interesting how those are public utilities - and how hard cable companies are fighting to keep from being public utilities?
The reason why fiber networks haven't taken off is because the cost of infrastructure is too high compared to the revenue that would be generated.
Hasn't stopped it in other countries.
Within the next 5 years, cable companies will have the technology to provide Gigabit service across a footprint that residential fiber networks couldn't dream of covering.
They've had that technology for decades, and refuse to use it. That's why most countries have better everything than the US.
mcapozzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What other countries are we talking about, ones the size of Rhode Island, or perhaps Vermont???
The United States has a very low population density making networks bigger and more expensive to serve the same number of people.
And to make a wild ass claim that tech had been out for decades is just bull$%!+. The equipment we deployed was so new the damn developers were logged into the gear taking error dumps and making code changes as the equipment was being installed.
Heylick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:58:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are also some laws that restrict the growth of fiber optics specifically Verizon fios tv. If they cannot service the entire town, at least where I am from, then they cannot offer it to anyone in town. Geographically large towns with small populations are not financially worth the xxx miles of lines.
In fact most of the voting fraud is by their suppression efforts. Last primary i had people being turned away without being given the chance to look at all the books for their address/names.
I tried to advise people to check every book because my name was not in the proper one, and people started giving me dirty looks. Really quite the shame.
bende511 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:13:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why we need unions. The only way workers can get on even a remotely level playing field with employers. As union membership has gone down in the U.S., income inequality has increased. This is not a coincidence.
Werrf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not so sure how the Republicans would suppress voting rights. I've heard that requiring ID is suppressing votes, but that doesn't make a lick of sense.
Werrf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's really disputing the "easily bypassed by getting an id" part. The whole article is saying that a huge number of poor people can't afford to obtain one, so your point really doesn't reflect having read the article well
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:27:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Driver's licenses are not very expensive at all to get, and they're a necessity to have nearly anything else in the world. Everyone already has one who is going to need one.
They work with the government more than each other. These cartels are given monopolies in certain areas by the gov. Your local government is probably guilty of it.
Fuck, don't get me started on Telecom companies. We have the shittiest internet for a developed nation here in the U.S. You go to places like Korea, and they have internet 10x faster for a tenth of the price. Why? Because, thanks to our government who "looks out for the people" they made an agreement with the telecom companies, allowing restrictions on max bandwidth and then there is no fucking competition here, unlike other places where a person can have 6+ options to choose from, causing our prices to be sky high.
As a side note: Fuck Spectrum (the new Time Warner). They are fucking thieves. I'd rather have no internet over Spectrum. And yes, I know what I just typed was a run-on sentence
ATT and Verizon too. Legally there needs to be competition in a sector so a company isn't broken up as a monopoly - like ATT was. ATT and Verizon need each other to exist. They carve up the market and set prices. If you're a company the last thing you want is the competition of a free market. You want a monopoly.
One person, one vote means nothing if you don't track who voted and tracking who votes means having a reliable way of identifying the person.
It's not a conspiracy; it the minimum of common sense. You have to know who is casting a ballot, period.
Werrf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:57:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you're okay with preventing people from voting in order to prevent a problem that doesn't happen. So own that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If youre not competent enough to maintain a legit, easily obtainable gov id to vote, its likely youre not competent enough to be trusted with voting. I understand as a citizen you are entitled to a voice, but i doubt that the issue of id affects as many people without it as it does leave the potential for voter fraud. Wasnt there a few cases recently where illegal aliens were convicted of voting, and multiple times? If one illegal casts 5 votes, thats already more damaging than the ONE instance of the old lady who wanted to vote but couldnt work her schedule around to have someone pick her up and drive her 100 miles to the nearest polling booth.
Werrf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasnt there a few cases recently where illegal aliens were convicted of voting, and multiple times?
No, not that I'm aware of. As far as I'm aware, there are about 33 possible cases of in-person voter fraud...out of over a billion votes checked.
I'm okay with preventing people from voting when they can't establish their own identity, yes. I'll own that.
Are you seriously going to contend that the voting process doesn't need to do anything to reliably record when a person votes?
Werrf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a particular problem with requiring ID, as long as there are also measures to increase access to acceptable IDs, removal of fees for getting ID, publicity about ID requirements, etc. Those other steps, though, are never included - it's only ever about ID.
That the Men in Black are real and they are in fact aliens who visit people that has had ET contact to wipe their memories so that they don't talk.
Jrodvon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:31:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens exist, because of how big the universe is.
phanfare ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:05:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lyme Disease. I grew up in East Lyme, CT and lived across the sound from a nice island called Plum Island. This island is home to a government BSL2 lab (dangerous pathogens but not deadly). This island is close enough to CT that birds can fly back and forth carrying ticks or some other form of the pathogen that develops into ticks. They kill animals on the island, but my conspiracy theory is that they missed one and it took something back to the mainland to my hometown.
Nothing nefarious, just a horrible mistake that they'll never own up to. Probably some tropical bacterium they were researching that got out. Here's a dumb, unreliable, website about it that's the hallmark of every conspiracy theory
panda388 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:02:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know those little baskets you can shop with at stores that aren't the big carriages?
I think Walmart purposefully doesn't re-gather them and stock them at the store entrance. This forces people to grab a big carriage and make them buy more stuff.
Every Walmart I have been to has a few 10 items or fewer lanes, but they are set up so that the 2 registers share the same lane. So imagine one check-out lane and on the left and right side are the express lanes. It's narrow-ish. You feel bad using a big-ass cart for 5 items. May as well do ALL your shopping here and fill that cart up.
I was thinking about this the other day as well. It makes sense from a stores perspective. They want to make the most sales, not help those who wish only to buy a few things.
I find it difficult to believe the country has been teetering on the brink for decades in a row. Really, campaign promises are like dating website profiles: "I'll always be there and take care of you, and I will shelter and make sure you live well in a great house with everything you want" and then they end up in a shit condo and un unhappy relationship.
Had this discussion with my husband a few weeks ago.
Haurboss ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 03:08:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Washington Post is CIA Propaganda
The CIA has controlled portions of the US media for decades now. This is no secret
When Bezos bought WaPo years back it was a big story because everyone wondered why he would buy a failing form of media. NewsPapers were dying
Shortly after purchasing WaPo Bezos signed a $600,000,000 contract with the CIA
Previously when Bezos signed a contract with the CIA guess what product he developed? The Echo. That little box that sits in your house and listens to everything you say. yeah that thing
One of them had to go to rehab for anorexia so it isn't really weird to imagine them being small.
yg_bigj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This could be possible if the pictures of both Olsen twins together was just a doppelgรคnger being paid to act as the twin of the single Olsen girl. Not impossible, definitely not easy but also not impossible
Sometimes I feel like a conspiracy theory is plausible, then I remember that humans are generally pretty incompetent and it would require huge groups of people to work together. Seeing how most people perform in group projects, I don't think the theories are true
So much this! If a something can't be handled by 2-3 people it's probably not true. Ever work for a big company? There is a reason they are so slow to change.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:44:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not only are humans bad at planning. but psychologically, humans jump to conclusions and try to find meaning where sometimes there isn't any. Yes, of course governments and banks do illegal and hidden things, but to assume that every weird event is a conspiracy statistically just can't be true
On the other hand, it's hard to prove a lie, and have enough people listen. Heck, Trump and his people say whatever the hell they want, in front of a global audience, with no regard for the fact that anyone can check the facts, the facts are often proven wrong, and they still get away with it. Now imagine a situation where people are actually trying to hide the falsehoods. I think it's easier to get away with than you think.
A mathematician actually devised a formula to estimate how long a conspiracy would stay secret based on the number of people involved. For the big conspiracies, not long: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35411684
Mstinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People always things like "the government is too stupid to do that" ... well if people are that incompetent wouldn't it be fairly easy for a smart well-organized group to pull one over on them?
IamBili ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:28:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must one of those people that believe secret societies could never exist, because "there's no evidence of them"
Better that than being convinced they exist just because there's no evidence that they don't.
Smoldero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh man and people just suck at keeping secrets. incompetence + the human ego + people turning on each other constantly = makes me skeptical about how many conspiracies humans could really carry out.
i want to believe though. everything's a lot more interesting this way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:19:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like imagine whole centuries worth of events, and historical figures were just multiplied and duplicated with big big gaping holes that don't make sense, and a repeating pattern of cultural drama that does - greek concept of catharsis being masterfully executed and power schemes constantly evolving parallel to us..?
Or that like the whole English language as well as the King James Bible as well as Shakespeare's plays were infact conceived by a large group of people - "Septuagint, so 70, just like in the past) hired by a smaller core of elites...
There are a few things we can draw some conclusions from with relative confidence... first. constantly one step ahead of the masses are the philosophies and tools of power cults which eventually lead to ethically very egoistic behavior a la D. Trump but that's litterally the perfect example of how the mainstream is completely a death trap and leads to possible "sin" or "bad karma" - always through ignorance rather than malicious intent, and modern society through the addition of small human mistakes, is the biggest distraction for the mind's natural flow of growth - the flow leading to "Right and Wrong" judgements of actual use, which can then be acted upon - and ONLY BY DOING SO - we can consider that 100% of our experiences are ultimately positive, the worst ones being in the end the most ripe with invaluable lessons. So bad education make us ignorant to what's what, which oops causes this accidental, meant to be temporary process - the notion of "evil" or "death" or "bad" or anything like that being an effective copy, just in the negative, of timeless ABSOLUTE considerations such as deep moral values and stuff. No such thing as death, only birth of something else. No such thing as universe, energy, or just, words and concepts at all, what have you - ONLY Love going where it goes and taking different forms. From big bang to heart beat to black holes. A dancing, cosmic love story forever experienced anew, one way or another, and evolving. Ain't it all beautiful in the end :) I'll love every single hateable tyrant conspiring against me at any moment. Either they're going something good or it's on their karma not mine - and my karma is like a frigging lush garden in my backyard, it's pretty much immediately reflecting on my reality when I make coherent decisions - as well as positive in the future, and for posterity and to leave the others with a good world and blabla, sure.
But the seemingly intelligent, consciousness-like, personallized/sometimes immediate synchronicity, linking a random epiphany so directly with the life's serendipitie, andparticularly it's peculiar, very personal-insight-oriented uh.... INTENT .... seemingly ... is really making itself noticeable to my rational mind ... and the more that happens, the more synchronicites come, it' just getting more and more solid, and downright, mind-bendingly almost paranormal at times, I have a lot to thank Karl Jung for in this regard, but my own confidence as well, and my childhood, which reminds me - the gratitude like I just expressed that's really good karma, according to Buddha one of the infinite source of energy with Love, Appreciation and Equal Though, that we always have access t,o and never ever pay some energy price. It's not cause he said it, it's because it made sense to my mind after thinking my way through it, that I allowed myself to profoundly believe in .. well just about anything ever since I've wandered off the beaten roads of my mind, lost it a couple times, found it again, over the past decade. "if the dam breaks open many year too soon," -PinkFloyd had it nailed down - "if there is no roof on the hill, and if your head explodes from burning in your ear, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon"...
It works the other way around basically, we have to assume that even conspirators are driven eventually by a feeling of moral coherence, which is philosophically defendable and probably in fact the only way to deal with being in the situation of authority and still find a way to make yourself a good thing for the world rather than a bad one. In the end we all have the same reasoning (or denial of) and so it's a question of time before what we think AND feel is being thought of by others. By keeping these traditions of elitism and secrecy in a larger framework of world building, one can go from one little dude on the outskirts of evolution ALL the way to living god like status, but at this point I think we don't even want to go there - sort of like thinking twice before having children. We should always just aim to be more in control of our immediate surrounding y/tribe and go from there. In reality, the mind right now can take us all the way to the very last axiom of, the real, belief in immortality of our conscience just from pure reasoning and life experience, and science slowly accumulating data pointing in this general direction. But it starts with the timeless, zero-point of the self in the "Now" as a best possible model for considering the idea of a real God at all - model through which, subsequently, said entity of "God" ACTUALLY manifests itself and talks to us non-stop, through the riddles of every little neuronal connection needing to be made being reflected as conscious perception of reality, digestion and finally comprehensive understanding - both inwards and outwards, otherwise we are in effect, morally, subconsciously giving up our own divine status for a more unbalanced, less appreciable existence. Which we still 100% impose on ourselves just not through active volition - or vizualization, vocalisation, of our desires but rather by nightmare-like processes of self torture. Which is so central most people either never even grasp their own power or do so way too late in life. But we must always give us a tap on the back and forgive ourselves, cause this world is a clusterfuck of a tangled anti-thesis of what it should be, and will eventually get better with time and so not to take up fights we don't even believe in is the #1 consideration to have at all times or it then becomes the #1 reason for our demise. The choice, it seems, rests entirely in MY hands. And duality-oriented structured of our own mind and identity as well as society, and further dimensional concepts and complex systems we build only make everything progressively simpler, easier, pleasant, and exciting, and also right, and obvious as well. The final step I think is, how to finally properly convey this to humanity around us with words... That's where I'm at. And the end of this step is basically like, eternal immortality and ultimate victory of life or Good or something. There's no stopping in fact, til my last breath!
Cause this weird world and DOES make a lot of sense in my gut from an accurate world-view more than ever before, as language slowly phrase out the same base formula in every possible experience I didn't dream could be true... History is the riddle. And in an unbroken line going all the way back to the Bronze Age collapse and since pyramids and the invention of written language and subsequent writing down of mythology --- through oral tradition which is most probably waaay more spot on than wed suspect as generations of gods replacing the previous infact represent actual movements of populations as certain pagan cults gained popularity over others, and or religious syncretism of the Greeks merged, over time, different gods that stood for similar ideas, as pagans always welcomed new gods (the more the merrier) or replaced over centuries but the sequence was kept unbroken in metaphor. Also in terms of gods representing SOME FORM of real process. But highsight is 20/20 however COMPLETELY unreliable and keeps being vandalized and manipulated, then people catching up, only for the cycle to naturally start over again just because that's how human collective conscience works and this has been known for a long time, and obviously kept within a SOMEWHAT closed circle, which is more porous than we would think... Tower of Babel anyone? but, humanity has this huge like pink elephant in the room issue, where everything is in fact SO FUCKING OBVIOUS that we don't consider it possible even when it's in our faces as well as intuition. It is litterally impossible to go back after, the only way to make it through this rabbit hole is to keep wanting to believe but equally doubting everything, sifting the credible from the not using simple logic. And recently my best insight has been that, I MYSELF have thought of many many schemes that could be doable. If I can think of it... like, I'd flood the shit out of youtube and the net in general with shitty conspiracy videos and theories so that the actual real ones are needles in a haystack of "nutjob-stuff" when it's infact a huge topic of importance. Which just leads me to think this is exactly wassup. And they ALWAYS have one step ahead of us so it's to be expected that we can't WIN any battle ever, but it does eventually sorta balance itself out through natural tides of change - evolution-driven mutual, between non proportional... RARE are those who have enough of each brain hemisphere to open up to these ideas without losing your solid ground and drifting towards unsanity.
Look up Mystery religions pre 300AD. Rome banned the use of psychedelics after and recycled the Mystery cults with Christianity which in fact was supposed to be much more buddhistic/taoist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also uh, the Great Pyramid could be, say, infact, upside down , and once meant to be used as huge vessels for the Pharaohs to consume psychedelics in and explore knowledge that it could bring back - the most interesting take on the Babel idea, and in a way, freakishly real now. In fact the first step of the pyramid is the flat one one at the top symbolizing how the universal spirit descended into our physical dimensions at the moment of birth of a human mind. And implying that psychedelic use allows us to better step back down into the primordial sea of the cosmos for a moment and explore the world of ideas and abstract metaphysical conjecture; but like, this on massive steroids. And the consequence being that eventually some are discriminated against and certain information kept within one civilization over another (Egyptians with Osiris-Isis, and later Greeks through the Mystery cults - see Eleusis - Dyonisos -also Icarus with the minautor). And therefore what was a very sane religious cult harmonizing our animal and divine duality which is central to spiritual growth, cultural/technological revolutions, as well as just better life in general, and social relations, because the aristocracy and ruling class would finance these festivals, share food, and hold them as a DUTY towards the people, which is the fair way of having class inequalities. The big fish eat the little ones, but eventually, you'll get some efficient multi-cellular organisms which becomes seen, and welcomed, as a new whole over time.
IN SHORT ALWAYS BE OPTIMISTIC and ALWAYS KNOW DANGERS AND FACE PESSIMISTIC REALITIES IN THE FACE and also remember that the heart and mind have some form of - physical and mental - interactivity with the universe, that is central and has extensions in higher dimensional space that we can't just "see" unless we do it from the the pineal gland in our brain, and not the actual eyes - and by building actual mental models for it (which is the same process as our whole reality being emulated within the brain anyway). Science is catching up to ancient wisdom that was by nature unprovable yet intuitively accessible - if we orient our conscience towards those possibilities. Instead of finding a solution or an intuitive straight answer to our issue - we remember what's aleady there by forgetting what we know-or think we know. Never be afraid to discard absolutely everything and start over. It's the first step... name the devil. Visualize the future and let the universe do the rest. Naturally, laws of physics, biology and health, and of human language, as different as they are, want to align with one another in perfectly compatible , information systems, layers of language one on top of the other, Microcosm, Conscience and Macrocosm all benefit from each other, and therefore all three can be expected to have unsuspected "backwards-compatibility" with the physics in nature very much reacting to our electrical head mind but especially, 3000x electrically more powerful pulsating heart mind, which doesn't treat small bits of info but feels emotions and sends out conscious vibes through the whole organism, it's electro-magnetic field decetable up to 10m away in another room. Now the notion that we have two minds in constant dialogue and that the head mind only focuses on the -question- to ask and it's parameters, and the heart gives the most intuitive, rational -answer- to it under a different form, which then can be further visualized and investigated back in the brain. This is basically putting us back right in the middle of the universe and rightfully so - as we ARE infact the most - universe - god - whatever - looking thing that exists while also being the least - funnily - the big universal processes, and things in general usually look like dots and platonic solids, not like, say, what our childhood was. But as we go back in time OR forward, the further we go in the natural logical unfolding of insight, the least THIS we become and the more robot-civilzation-brain like OR particle physics-like universal stuff, mathematical -perfection- of the void being the end point in both directions - To me this means if there IS a ultimate golden mean of the universe, and central point in all existing dimensions conceivable, then it is this very moment! It's a permanent foundational process through which we always have a conscious power of the mind over matter, even if we don't think we do (which is THE problem, as well as the solution, beautifully) and in fact our DNA is evolving new functions as a direct result - and global rising synchronicity and harmonicity of the minds of individuals OUTSIDE the realm of n physical tech... this is a good time to be alive.
That the fix was in for Hillary's nomination, as far back as 2008 but certainly before this cycle's primary ever began.
I find it completely ludicrous that not a single A- or even B-list Democrat even attempted to run against her in the primary; it was her, a socialist independent from Vermont who wasn't even a (D) until it was politically advantageous for him to become one (and he switched right back immediately following his loss), and some wackaloon that no one had ever heard of before who looked like he might literally shoot up the place at any moment.
And then there's Biden... if he'd run he'd have wiped the floor with her, a very popular sitting Vice President with barely a fraction of the skeletons and baggage that she brought with her. (And if it was Biden vs Trump I think there's a pretty good chance we'd be looking at a Biden administration right now.)
And I don't believe for one second that Beau's death was a factor in any way. Beau could be alive and well right now and Joe still wouldn't have run... because he was prevented from doing so by the DNC.
I feel pretty confident that there was a conversation that happened back in 2008 that went something like this:
"Listen, Hil -- can I call you Hil? -- we need to face reality here. Our candidate is going to be either a black man or a white woman, of this we are certain, and all of the polling data suggests that we stand a better chance with a black man than a woman of any race. We just went through eight years of Dubya and significant advancement of conservativism across the US. We NEED to win this election, and right now our best best is Obama.
"We need you to step aside, and if you don't we will make certain you lose. In return, he will appoint you to a high-visibility position in the administration, where you can stay in the public eye until it comes time for you to step down and focus on your next campaign. We will ensure that you are all but unopposed in the 2016 primary, and we guarantee that you will receive the nomination."
your conspiracy theory can only be believed if you believe that they put in the fix for Hillary despite her not stepping aside. She remained in the 2008 primaries long after she was mathematically eliminated.
Not to mention, there were 5 people in the Democratic race at the start. Hillary Clinton, Martin O'Malley, Bernie Sanders, Lincoln Chafee, and Jim Webb.
Also, you're right, Biden would have wiped the floor with most other candidates. But I have absolutely no problem believing that he didn't run because of Beau. Burying one of your own children is one of those things that keeps parents up at night. I don't care how old the kid is.
The fact that in an open year the candidates (besides Clinton) were:
A socialist who had never been party of the Democratic party and started the campaign with little name recognition outside of Reddit.
A governor who was considered "average" at best by Democrats in his own state
A Republican senator who became an Independent governor and then became one of the worst governors in that state's history after only one term.
A one term Democratic senator who began his career in politics as a cabinet member during the Reagan administration and was a Republican until right before his senate race.
When there were plenty of other viable and high profile potential candidates (and look how cramped the Republican field was) makes me think the DNC was talking people out of running.
Oh I don't doubt that they wanted to keep the field small. At all. But I also think a part of it was that people had a certain sense that a Clinton nomination was going to be inevitable.
I'm on my local Democratic committee (tiny little city in Niagara county) and even at that scale people are talking about candidates months before they announce.
We try to remain as fair as possible when multiple people want the same office, but I imagine the more that is at stake in a race the easiest it is for the scales to be tipped in someone's favor.
I'm guessing that by early 2013 there were already DNC members going around telling everyone not to bother.
Yeah, I doubt it was a "no you can't run," and more of a "do you really want to waste your time and money campaigning against the inevitable Hillary?" People were saying in 08 after she dropped out that she was going to be the nominee in 2016. She had a base that really wanted her and she clearly had the ambition. I don't see how anyone can see a conspiracy here.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:50:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus Biden had a couple of unsuccessful runs himself which (though nothing compared to the controversy of this cycle) would have raised some pretty ugly incidents.
rmurph22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Biden speak at the 2015 Generation Progress Summit and I have to say that he did not seem like the same man who was elected as VP in '08 and '12. Beau's death really changed him.
ZAVHDOW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She remained in the 2008 primaries long after she was mathematically eliminated.
this could easily be doing some pre-campaigning for 2012 / 2016 / 2020.
You never recover from burying your child. At best you can learn to live with it. Some of the time.
Yakb0 ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That assumes that Hillary was given marching orders by 'the establishment'
She's been politically active for decades, her husband is the most popular living president. She IS the establishment. There's no conspiracy here. She wields an enormous amount of power in the Democratic party, and nobody with anything to lose wanted to challenge her.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:05:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She does wield an enormous amount of clout, but not an enormous amount of wealth.
There's a dude named George Soros who funds a lot of DNC-related stuff, like BLM and Antifa. I have a sneaking suspicion that he would be the one to dangle campaign donations in front of her if she would be willing to wait.
My crazy theory that has little merit is the connection between the Clinton family and the CIA. The entire CIA gun-running operation in the 80s was run from Arkansas, and I think Bill worked with Langley to keep it hush hush since they had some form of dirt. In return they help him become president so they can keep working together. Fast-forward to the late 2000s and the middle east is in shambles, and small groups are being controlled for CIA interests. Hillary ends up losing (can't predict surprise charismatic black man), but still gets put in as Secretary of State. Benghazi was the hot point when things almost blew up in their faces. Everyone focused on her in the investigations out of what was basically a witch-hunt, but no one really asked why the CIA was there in the first place monitoring the ambassador, or why he was there. CIA is heavily involved in a lot of these regions, and as ISIS grows stronger and Syria slipping, Hillary is the perfect candidate to work with them so that they can follow whatever plan it is they want. They would keep hiding dirt that they could use themselves, and then they would allow her to take office to help them. I'm not a T_D guy, but the ease at which dirt has come out on Trump seems a lot smoother than with Clinton as if she was being shielded.
So basically, the Clintons have been in cahoots with the CIA "shadow government", but the CIA is definitely in control of the situation, utilizing blackmail and favors in order to have near-puppets in power.
Crazy, stupid, insane, easily debunkable, but still an intriguing thought.
Beau Biden, while dying of cancer, told his father that he needed to run for President. The fact he didn't run after all that happened to him makes me agree with this theory. The fix was in from day one.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:44:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A godamn potato could have won after GWB.
Hillary really ought to be mad at Barack for stealing her thunder back in 2008.
I hope she never runs again. She has shown that he is worse than a potato.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that Hillary locked up all the donors and endorsements years in advance. Biden would have been way behind in money and establishment support.
IamBili ยท 482 points ยท Posted at 16:34:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudi Arabia's government is funding both Islamic terrorism, the "refugee crisis" and propaganda pro-refugee spread by the MSM and SV companies, through its Sovereignty wealth fund
Edit: Sovereignty wealth funds from the Middle East and from China are funding groups with a veiled interest into destroying the western civilization and the western culture
[deleted] ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 19:15:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudi Arabia is fighting a Cold War against Iran to assert regional dominance. They're supporting radical Sunni militants to offset Iran supporting radical Shiite militants. It's a viscous circle, much as the US-USSR Cold War was.
Saudi Arabia has little reason to attack the West, though. There are off-target affects when the radicals they support attack Western targets, but I see little political benefit from their targeting is directly. They need us to buy their oil and sell them armaments.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when you create a Rouge you have little controle over what it dose. that is exactly what Saudi did by funding extremism.
I think America is doing a fine job of destroying the western civilization and the western culture
elHerpes ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:56:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudi is funding terrorist groups thats no secret. The "destroying western civilization" thing is bs and you need to seek help though.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 00:31:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China is also seizing up economist interests in Africa and seizing up islands to gain dominance (even though their navy/air force is shit, their intelligence agencies are shit, their export-oriented investment based manufacturing economy is shit and fragile so it would take them decades and decades to even catch up).
I am pretty sure they are disseminating a lot of fake news along with being involved in cyber attacks. They're trying to gain the competitive edge because right now the U.S. is still extremely powerful.
This is why Trump fucked up with leaving TPP. TPP would use the other East Asian and South East Asian countries as a counterweight to China.
For once a country is developing underdeveloped countries instead of colonizing or bombing the shit out of them. Just because a country has its own interests doesn't mean it has to be destroyed
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China will fall under its own weight, just like the Soviet Union did, and just like the United States will
History ain't kind to widespread nations and empires
Mstinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:56:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was an esteblished fact.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprisingly, there are too few mentions of the term "Sovereignty wealth fund" in conspiracy forums, even though I hypothesize that they are the main funding sources of political, cultural and economical groups who promote propaganda for policies that threaten western civilizations, western cultures and western nations in the long term
Mstinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:45:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt that what paid for 95% of mosks in europe too?
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:44:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudis' latest 3.5 billion investment is Uber... Therefore, Uber is destroying the Western civilization...
IT ALL CHECKS OUT!
IamBili ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows, maybe Uber could be a money-laundering company, that gives a makeover on the money of SWFs, so that it sponsors MSM and SV companies that obliges with the multiculturalist agenda without anyone raising suspicious about the sources
Don't you find weird that the number of ads of Uber has grown to such ridiculous extent recently?
Call me crazy if you must, but if I were to distribute an amount of money as huge as the ones wielded by SWF to sponsor certain companies that complies with my political/cultural agenda, I'd do so through in ways that raises no suspicious, and putting that money in "startups", that you can control to invest into publicity everywhere without raising suspicious is a road that I'd take
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:03:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fight against terrorism has the unique problem that killing people does not work (unless you consider carpet nuking an entire continent an option, which might not even work). You kill one terrorist. You also just killed somebodys father/brother/uncle/son/close friend/etc. The people who lost somebody dear to them are now a lot easier to radicalize and you just created more terrorists.
REMSheep ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 04:15:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A small group of really rich people control most to the wealth of the planet and cause chaos and warfare as a means of creating more wealth for themselves.
Byizo ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 20:27:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taylor Swift is a bear.
ZAVHDOW ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:43:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta give me more than this. It's too intriguing.
[deleted] ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 03:14:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ZAVHDOW ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 04:19:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know which is the more outrageous claim, that you boned Taylor Swift or that you boned a bear.
"and it was at that moment, that I realized the young woman standing right in front of me wasn't a young woman at all, but a 1000lb 6ft grizzly bear with razor claws and beady black eyes, and at that moment I said: "go away grizzly bear!!! I ain't giving you no tree fiddy!!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:37:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tormund?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "lizard shapshifters" videos were created to throw people off the trail of face2face video editing software. The glitches with double eye lids and other facial anomalies were bugs in the program, and as far as I can tell, have now been fixed. I believe this is used far more then most people could even imagine.
jaie22 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:51:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One I really believe, although I can't figure out who benefits from it/how it was arranged. I am convinced that internet page designers, especially for online news but really across the board, are somehow in cahoots with the printer, paper and ink people. It's the only way I know of to explain the sheer number of times a printout is precisely two pages long, except for the final line about copyright, or the author's bio, or some other mostly useless piece of information.
Sure, print preview exists, but do 99% of the browsing public even know what that means?
Detergent and fabric softeners have marked their recommended usage on their caps higher than what you should really use, so you end up using their product faster thus buying more, plus you wear out clothes more and end up buying more of those too.
The Laundryati if you will
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:21:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I firmly believe that the pork industry slowly decreased the thickness of bacon over time so that they could then release a thick-cut bacon product at a higher price with no additional overhead. Here is looking at you Oscar-Meyer, if that is your real name.
Try and find a knowledgeable person to explain to you how the Rockafellers and Rothschilds don't have their unimaginably rich hands into every possible pot on the planet. You won't. I think among the researched this is pretty widely accepted.
I think foreign governments (Russia and China) are directly causing division among our country. They are doing this to undermine our stability and pick apart our assets abroad. They are doing this in the following ways:
1) They are pumping up controversial digital news story impression numbers that feed the algorithms that push them to the forefront, creating political polarization. They are also pumping up "likes" to pump up controversial public social media posts.
2) They are leaking information abroad to undermine our credibility (even though all other 1st world countries do the same things).
3) They are helping with the destabilization in Syria and abroad in order to create refugees which leads to political polarization and destabilization in Europe, due to controversial immigrants.
Meanwhile, China is snatching up and creating new islands in the South China Sea, extracting tons of resources in Africa and South America, and building the Nicaragua Canal. Russia is looking to block the pipeline that could feed Europe with gas from the middle east directly. It's well known that foreign governments had a hand in the U.S. civil war - I'm a believer that our rivals this time around are doing the same and would want nothing more than for us to kill each other.
Of course he's American. An American always speaks of "us" and "we" when referring to their country. You won't ever find them speaking about their country in an indirect fashion: "Americans.." '
You're not wrong for the most part. I always try to be mindful of that and say 'America' or 'United States' though. But it's a tough habit to break when you're beaten over the head with nationalist propaganda your whole life.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:05:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:58:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit loves Dugin because they think they figured out Putin's super secret plans. In reality his influence has been exagerated. He couldn't even keep hos teaching position at Moscow university, much less government roles
This is what I've been saying since the whole Trump-Russia thing popped up...an unstable America is AWESOME for Russia.
Russia is doubling-down on global warming because it would actually help them. If the ice caps recede, that's more land to be developed into whatever they need and new trade routes to use it all. So they need access to fossil fuels while everyone else is moving more towards clean energy. Where is all of that? The Middle East. The United States is calling the shots there right now...ok, let's back a dictatorship (Syria). But what if the United States doesn't want us buddying up with a Middle Eastern country? Let's make sure they're cool with it. How? Hmmm. Let's help our patsy buddy get into the White House. He owes us A LOT of money and now he'll owe us two favors. Excellent! He can keep pushing pro-fossil fuel rhetoric and at least slow down the transition somewhat (This is, I think, the main reason Trump unilaterally decided to withdraw from the Paris agreement) But he won't be the president forever...unless...what's a good way to get the U.S. to suspend elections? Civil unrest should do it. Let's foment a resistance to the administration and current form of government...the leftists already don't like the corporations widening the income gap and there's already plenty of racial strife but let's stir up that hornet's nest too by bolstering the far right. Radicalize both ends of the spectrum and they'll be too busy fighting each other to realize they'll never get control of their country back.
And that's where the United States is at right now. Everything happening right now is planned and orchestrated by some very powerful people. And we're all being played like fiddles.
Foreign governments have always tried to stir shit up in the United States. During the Iran hostage crisis, they released all the minorities immediately because of "US oppression"
Successfully for the most part (Latin America and the middle east anyone??)
Yeah this is the thing, it's not really a conspiracy to me, it's just that other countries have managed to build enough power to respond to US foreign policy in kind. It sucks for everyone but to think of the US as an innocent victim that needs to unite behind our government and business interests to resist foreigners?? Hard pass.
elHerpes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything the us says other countries do, are just things the us is guilty of. Ever heard of iran contra?
KA1N3R ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolutely true.
Just look at the 'Cyberwar' Putin has been waging on the US and EU for years now.
Of course other countries want to cause division in the US, this has been going on since at least the Cold War. There is substantial evidence linking the USSR to the Civil Rights Movement.
poadyum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is substantial evidence linking the USSR to the Civil Rights Movement.
elHerpes ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey i have another one thats actually true: The US has done all this shit and more to other countries while ruining itself post ww2, and now that its showing more and more the people who cant possibly believe that they are at fault for defending it are trying to blame all problems on hidden foreign "threats". No other country sure as hell forces all of its rivals to get nukes just to defend themselves.
Obviously we meddled in other country's affairs, but so has every other powerful country / civilization since the dawn of man. The point of my post was that many Americans don't realize other countries are meddling in OUR affairs.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:41:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love to push for war with nuclear powers instead of adressing a growing neo nazi problem. Yes the chinese, the most soulless corrupt government next to the US definitely are literally nazi germany, they even speak german its just a different alphabet.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 01:10:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.. copying my comment from before.
China needs to be destroyed by the U.S. Navy and Air Force. They are a huge disturbance to the international world order. First, they have absorbed a lot of American manufacturing power. Companies across every industry - industrials, energy, tech, consumers discretionary/staples have put all their factories in China, stealing millions and millions of job because China is low cost, on top of the fact they are manipulating their currency to keep currency pairs at lows so the US is stronger. That's billions of dollars in spending for U.S. consumers that could have gone to Americans, billions of dollars in wages, billion of dollars of spending in education, billions of dollars in taxes that the government could have used.
Moreover, they are actively trying to destabilize us by building a shit ton of infrastructure in South America and Africa and extracting all the economic resources there, while being a pain in the ass in the South Chinese Sea.
They also are not listening to our diplomatic efforts with the North Korean crisis - China has the diplomatic leverage to make North Korea stop their shit but they won't.
They're become a huge issue. Even if you were to consider this non politically, think of Chinese tourists. Seriously, every city they go, Mainlanders are the most ignorant, vile fucking disgusting human beins on the planet. The Chinese government had to write up a pamphlet detailing how tourists should behave.
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:18 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, every soulless corporate asshole meddles in the US government, but foreign powers practically dont. No, not every country funds 40 terrorist cells and contra groups on 3 different continents and sends itself into eternal debt just to fight as many proxy wars as possible. No other country comitted genocide in vietnam and korea and threatens korea with another one. No other country single handedly ruined the middle east. All the things you accuse foreign powers of are literally things that only the US does.
Yes, it's us that are the evil ones, nobody else. I'm sorry the U.S. hurt you - do you want to show me on the doll where it hurt your feels?
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:34 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes as long as the doll looks like a globe i can do that for you. Theres a couple millions of people who would gladly do the same. Maybe we should wait a couple decades and see how many more.
You make a lot of bold statements my man. Middle East is a crap hole due to the Ottoman empire and then France and Britain - http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/britain-and-france-conclude-sykes-picot-agreement. Genocide by North Vietnam was more common. Korea - buddy come on they have concentration camps for gods sake. What type of revisionist, horrible history have you studied to come up with such crap. Read a book.
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:55 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
guys history.com told me the iraq war or funded terrorist groups never happened. They also told me the us air force never bombed korea or vietnam. Hope you get voter suppressed lol.
US did all of those things but they didn't singlehandedly destabilize the Middle East like you said. Any they weren't responsible for most of these genocide in Vietnam like you said. We bombed Korea because they invaded South Korea! Are you 13?
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:38 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao epic reddit knowledge, epic educated scholar knows everything like a damn brain genius, literal dr manhattan brain
I think this is going to be one of the craziest stories we'll hear in our lifetimes when the details actually come out in the coming decades. The Russian active measures in particular were one of the most effective weapons ever launched against us, and they worked exactly as Putin intended, and are still working!
I 100% believe that Russia has been running an extremely effective misinformation campaign against the US and its allies. I work for a big data analytics firm. I'm currently working on a project where I'm assisting in the testing and design of a massive data management system for a government agency. I don't deal with the data security portion of it though.
I believe the whole Trump collusion story. I think the FSB gained access to voter rolls, ran a data mining operation based data from those voter rolls, figured out key issues for a lot of the voters, and created bots to post a ton of content on the internet which greatly exaggerated those issues. I believe that there are bots that post comments and content here on Reddit. If you're constantly seeing comments and stories with certain viewpoints, you're going to think that those viewpoints have are a lot more popular than they are. People naturally try to conform with their social group, so they start to take on those views themselves.
I think that the FSB was working closely with the Trump campaign, developing their strategy, and even directing him on what topics to hit on in his speeches. I also think that Trump's plan for his first 100 days was a plan to get rid of the checks and balances on the President's power. First, he pushes through a bunch of legislation that deregulates certain markets. He also happens to be invested in those markets, so he makes a ton of money off of his own actions. He then launders that money through shell corporations and funnels it to the politicians of his choosing through SuperPACS. That gives him the ability to basically buy off Congress. The one thing don't want when you're doing that is competition. That's why his plan included creating regulations for lobbyists. The specific regulations he passed created a barrier for lobbyists who had established relationships with people in government. That would make way for a takeover from his own lobbyists (who don't need established relationships with people in government since they already have a relationship with Trump and his people). That makes it so that it's only his money that they're getting. If he establishes a monopoly on campaign finance, they have to do what he says in order to keep their careers. From there he can appoint anyone to the Supreme Court who he wants. Finally, he gets them to pass congressional term limits. This gives him the ability to just wait out anyone who opposes him. Can't force them out by funding their competitor's campaign? Oh well, he can just wait till you hit your term limit and you'll be gone anyways.
I believe this as well. Taking the US out of the picture would be beneficial to China and Russia, and both know they can't destabilize the country through force.
poadyum ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taking the US out of the picture would be beneficial to China and Russia,
How? China is making billions (if not trillions) of dollars off of the US market, surely they see the value in that? What good would it do them to "take the US out of the picture"?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Out of the picture of geopolitical power and resource control, not the picture of a market to trade with.
poadyum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you can really separate those though, surely the volatility of the stock market is a prime example of how much things like national power are linked to commerce
Kradget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly Russians and probably some hirelings are. They're looking to recapture some territory and relevance and feed the oligarchs, and don't have a lot to work with other than old Soviet weaponry and intelligence services.
I'm not sure China has a solid reason to do that, they're a massive piece of the global economy and a rising heavyweight without resorting to political destabilization. Their government thrives more on stable business with us and Europe at this point, and the Party seems to be playing a long-term influence and money game. It's been working really well for them so far.
namdeew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once read something about the KGB, told by a former KGB-deflector, and their 70-year plan to demoralize (through popular media) and thus destabalize the US (and by that the western establishment).. More porn, nudity, fowl language, usage og drugs in the mass/popular media - and then trivializing the public debate betwixt politicians... dunno if I believe it though the thought is interesting considering many of the problems that people complain about in modern politics.
I know - which is why I mentioned the European pipeline from the Middle East.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 00:33:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China needs to be destroyed. The US Navy could do it in a couple of weeks
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:09:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Untrue. We have the most powerful navy in the world, with the most naval carriers. The Nimitz' class naval carriers alone each carry 15-20 fighter jets on them and we have 9. Our navy alone has the second largest air force in the world
Our defensive and offensive capabilities are bar none and we have a lot of anti missile defense systems that we have in place, some of which we were not allowed to use (the MIRV rockets built during the Reagan administration) because they were so fucking powerful.
Just because the United States has the coolest and most expensive stuff...well, that doesn't mean shit. Wars are not fought on paper.
China is probably the one nation that would have a legitimate shot at occupying the United States
namdeew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:56:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 billion young men ready to sign up for the army as infantry I've heart... that is a damn lot. Dunno if the facts checks out though
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, cool I didn't know that. Can you tell me more?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The main problem with China's missiles isn't the altitude, Aegis can hit shit skimming the ocean surface if it has to. The problem is the speed, by the time it locks on to a hypersonic missile it's too late.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. But they are a huge disturbance to the international world order. First, they have absorbed a lot of American manufacturing power. Companies across every industry - industrials, energy, tech, consumers discretionary/staples have put all their factories in China, stealing millions and millions of job because China is low cost, on top of the fact they are manipulating their currency to keep currency pairs at lows so the US dollar is stronger. That's billions of dollars in spending for U.S. consumers that could have gone to Americans, billions of dollars in wages, billion of dollars of spending in education, billions of dollars in taxes that the government could have used.
Moreover, they are actively trying to destabilize us by building a shit ton of infrastructure in South America and Africa and extracting all the economic resources there, while being a pain in the ass in the South Chinese Sea.
They also are not listening to our diplomatic efforts with the North Korean crisis - China has the diplomatic leverage to make North Korea stop their shit but they won't.
They're become a huge issue. Even if you were to consider this non politically, think of Chinese tourists. Seriously, every city they go, Mainlanders are the most ignorant, vile fucking disgusting human beins on the planet. The Chinese government had to write up a pamphlet detailing how tourists should behave.
I have chinese friends and love east japan and korea - but China is just a huge pain in the ass that thinks it's tough shit.
Any other videos or links to somehow being able to destroy china?
It's not so much a conspiracy theory but I believe that it's extremely possible that we are in a simulation of reality. I don't believe it's a matrix-like slavery, rather, we are simply a world of Sims who started and will end within a computer server. I believe that, if real scientists pursued physics theorems predicated on the idea that we are in a simulation, it would account for a lot of the weirdness that goes on in the extreme micro and extreme macro levels of the universe.
To take it one step further, it's virtually certain that humans will be able to create such a simulation here on earth in the future. A simulated universe with people who believe that they are real. If we ourselves can do it, why can't we already be inside the simulation?
poadyum ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:43:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a lot of the weirdness that goes on in the extreme micro and extreme macro levels of the universe.
I'm aware of some of the extreme micro weirdnesses (quantum tunneling, etc) but what are some of the macro weirdnesses?
A good way to put this is that the possibility of us being a race of beings evolving into sentience is infinitely lower than the chance of another race at some point in some time evolving to the point where their technology could create this simulation. Throughout all possible cycles of the known and unknown universe in infinity, what's the chance that life actually evolved on this planet, here and now versus any other planet, anywhere else, at any time. Maybe I'm thinking at the wrong angle but it's always made sense to me
If we ourselves can do it, why can't we already be inside the simulation
One thing I always wonder is that once we are able to create virtual/simulated reality like this, wouldn't we have the knowledge to create virtual/simulated reality within each level of VR? Like, if I know how to make a grilled cheese in this world, I will know how to make a grilled cheese in every single partially simulated universe. So wouldn't the same rule apply to simulations?
Well, to build on that concept, assuming the "creator" of our own simulated reality (our God, if you will) wants to see how a simulated universe functions on its own, he would know it's simply a matter of time before we discover how to simulate reality on our own. Then, 10,000 years later (actual time is irrelevant if you're running the simulation, you could conceivably fast forward/rewind as much as you want) his little simulations figure out how to make their own simulation and then THEIR simulation figures out how to make a simulation, etc...
This is why, not only is it highly possible that we are not only in a simulated reality, but we may be multiple levels deep.
Okay if that's true, then where does each simulated universe begin? Does every single one begin with a "Big Bang", or is the creator cultivating a world that exists after the big bang? If so, why do we, as simulations, have profound understanding of our universe before we existed or it existed? If it does begin with a big bang, how does the creator know the world will develop similarly to the one that he believes he is living in?
That's the thing, we really don't know if our own universe started as a Big Bang, do we? That's what our models point to but, as any scientist worth their salt will tell you, it's nothing more than our best theory. I'm at the tail end of getting my geology degree and have come to understand that our historical models are really a "best guess" scenario in terms of the initial inception of earth and how the planets formed, etc. We really don't KNOW.
So let's look at the Big Bang through the perspective of a simulated universe. If our universe was actually a computer simulation, what would that first moment look like? Maybe because we can't fathom the idea of matter and space and time simply popping into existence (as it would in the Big Bang) we have to come up with models to explain that behavior.
Look at it this way, since the first people began to question the world around them, we have never been content to leave science unexplained. Humans WILL ALWAYS come up with an explanation for something we don't understand based on our current level of knowledge. The Big Bang was theorized before we even had a concept of a simulated universe. Now that we have these new concepts in place, maybe a simulation is a better explanation.
Ultimately, it comes back to the Creator with his finger on the Execute command. If you program a video game and then launch it for the very first time, how would it look and feel to those characters? How would they explain their existence if given the opportunity? "Uh, well....we weren't here and then, BANG, everything was here."
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proposition : there's not enough atoms in the Universe to build a computer which could store the state, position, momentum and all other properties of every atom in the Universe.
I doubt you can build a storage device that can store all the properties of more atoms than the number of atoms it's made of.
Hold on, are you suggesting that a computer program has atoms inside it? If we were indeed a simulation, WE would interact and perceive our surroundings as real but it would still be just a computer program to the person viewing the simulation. To simplify, imagine that the Sims were actual thinking people inside your computer - artificial intelligence.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm implying that to represent our reality 1:1, a simulation would have to simulate every single atom in the Universe.
If Sims were actually thinking people inside my computer they would perceive the world as it is simulated by y computer. Which is a bunch of wire frames with textures strapped on them.
That is shortsighted. If we can imagine a technologically advanced simulation (key word is Imagine) then I think it's safe to say that it may not even be within a computer as we know it. Maybe it's an organic miniature, maybe it's within an artificial brain - and to say that it needs to contain all the atoms? Why? Can a program not generate procedurally? Don't we have laws in our own universe that dictate that some particles behave differently when observed? Step outside your home PC and try to imagine the endless possibilities, not only of an advanced civilization but a civilization that has the power to create everything you see around you. Wire frames with textures is so....2017.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Be it electronic or organic the problem remain the exact same. It's a question of probably unattainable levels of information density.
Contrary to popular belief, procedural generation is not magic. It's a pretty misunderstood mechanic it seems. All it does is generate a set of data. It can generate immense amounts of data, but in the end that data still has to be handled in real time.
Take No Man's Sky for example. Remember the "No loading times, no distance popping" and how that turned out to be bullshit? Sure you can replaces hundreds of files by some procedural generation on disk but all that does is generate data that ends up taking up space in your RAM.
Overall I get the impression that your reasoning here is more akin to that found in a Keanu Reeves meme than a pragmatic approach based on an understanding of the subject.
Sure you can always "imagine" something but there's a point where it becomes an unfalsifiable claim based on the notion that logic or proof don't apply. Creationism 2.0.
Everything you're saying makes perfect sense using all of our current technology and understanding of physics - I have no arguement in that regard.
I would simply assert that, in a hypothetical discussion about whether or not we are in a simulation run by a interdimensional/omnipotent/alien life force, all your knowledge about how computers and data and unattainable information density mean absolutely nothing. Again, if we can suspend disbelief enough to hypothesize about such things, arguing the capabilities of computer systems based on your 2017 understanding of what a computer is and/or what defines attainable levels of data storage seems pedantic and short sighted. Futurism is predicated on conceptual hypotheses that cannot be reigned in with concerns about the limitations of future technology.
50 years ago, a 1TB SD card would have been utterly inconceivable. A Bic lighter would have terrified a 13th century peasant. I hope I'm making my point here. I'm not concerned about what humans think is possible because, historically, that's never been indicative of actual scientific progress.
I'd recommend Clifford A Pickover's book A Beginners Guide To Immortality. It deals with the topic quite a bit. Pickover has some amazing ideas. He's probably genius level, but his writing is extremely interesting and easy for any layman to read.
I'm already looking it up. I know I'm nowhere near the cutting edge on this type of stuff so I'm fascinated to see what others have already written about it. Thanks for the recommendation
Edythir ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 02:21:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk is a time traveler that came from the future to save the earth. I mean, he is revolutionizing one business after another, he is solely or in part responsible for 3rd Party Space Travel, Safe Internet Payment, Electric Cars, Hyperloop, Solar Cities and concepts of new planes. Along with warning everyone that North Korea is a minor problem compared to what AI will do to us if we are careless, sounds an awful lot like someone who had firsthand experiences with these technology, advanced from the future.
He's revolutionizing shit. His hyperloop is absolute fucking bullshit that never will see the light of day, there are multiple other ways of transportation proven in a lot of other countries that don't rely on an insanely expensive experimental project for a 'hyper train'. His solar panels are a scam. Teslas are nothing new, they're basically reinventing the wheel (first cars were actually electric... we just have the technology now to store power) with new bits that they're refining in-house (read: Not inventing) plus they are not even fucking close to autonomous driving - I'm closer to cumming sitting on my chair thinking of pineapples than their purely marketing fueled 'auto-pilot' drives cars - Mercedes Benz had a system very closely related and functional in the 90s.
The Space travel thing is just the capitalist in Elon taking over, getting to Mars my ass - he just smelled money when he realized there was an opening for a privately funded space exploration company.
Edythir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
American universities/colleges/establishments of higher learning are disgustingly expensive because the government knows that a population of closed off, uneducated young people with low standards and Facebook addiction is easy to manipulate in various ways. Those who do manage to get their liberal arts degree or whatever other useless crap end up in debt or paying off loans well into their 30's. All the stress and angst about paying your way through college, finding a relevant job, and housing makes it very easy for various powers-that-be to sway people one way or another.
The government changed the law so student loans cannot be discharged by bankruptcy. This means they can come after you - forever and there is no way out.
Once that law was in place there was no reason not to give unemployed students with no income, large loans knowing they would be paying on them for the rest of their lives.
This flood of money caused the universities to jack up the price of, well everything. The cost of education skyrocketed.
That is about it. No conspiracy required. Just a lot of greedy motherfuckers taking advantage of people too young and naive to know better.
The existence of easy-to-get loans with no real credit approval of any kind (unlike every other kind of loan) gave colleges and universities the opportunity to increase their prices dramatically.
Go ahead, see if an 18 year old can qualify for a $100,000 unsecured loan for anything other than college tuition.
[deleted] ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 16:17:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DJHJR86 ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First people blamed the limo driver, William Greer. That theory has since been debunked. And then it evolved into another agent in the car behind the President's motorcade. But consider this:
Were it not for the significance of the events, some discussions would just be funny (like Bonar Menningerโs 1992 book arguing that a Secret Service agent just happened to accidentally shoot Kennedy in the head while Oswald was coincidentally shooting at him, i.e., the only accidental discharge of a Secret Service weapon around a President in one hundred years would by chance hit the President in the head and would by chance occur in the six or so seconds during which someone else was shooting at the President).
Seems too implausible. Plus, this theory has also been debunked, several times.
The guys name is Boner? Wow, his parents were shitty.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chaitin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you be happy with implausible when the other choice is plausible?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chaitin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A group of terrorists hijacked four planes and attempted to fly them into buildings.
They said they did it, and terrorists have hijacked planes before. The only room for implausibility is in the details of how exactly the result came about (details which, as I've posted elsewhere, are generally easily explained, and occasionally explained with more difficulty).
Riiight, and one of the terrorists just happened to have their real passport with them on the plane, that passport magically was undamaged enough so that it was readable, even though the black boxes from the planes were nowhere to be found?
chaitin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very good example of what I was saying about the details. Your issue isn't with the means or motive, or the plausibility of the event itself (unlike the moon landing or JFK conspiracies for example). It's with one of the many items they found in the wreckage.
And you're not wrong--that passport surviving was an unlikely event. But weird things happen in plane crashes, fires, and building collapses. They found an almost intact flag from one of the bottom floors as well; what are the odds of that?
Doing some brief research it seems likely the passport, along with most other surviving debris, was thrown clear of the main crash site (it's not hard to imagine how that could happen to a passport). Again, maybe not likely, but certainly plausible. We've all read stories of people being thrown clear of deadly car wrecks and walking away unharmed.
So conspiracies have two problems here. First, they need to be more plausible than explanations like the above. Second, by their nature, they need to explain things like the intentional deaths of thousands and a wide scale cover up. I just need to explain how a passport was lucky enough to survive a plane crash.
bende511 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:18:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it implausible? On the contrary, the President is almost never under fire. Maybe a dozen Secret Service agents have ever had to deal with this scenario ever. It stands to reason that one might panic and accidentally discharge a weapon in this highest of stakes panic situation, and with even higher likelihood than a less stressful time.
DJHJR86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:16:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It stands to reason that one might panic and accidentally discharge a weapon in this highest of stakes panic situation
Sure. Until you watch the other footage of the assassination, the Bronson film, and you can clearly see the agents car behind Kennedy's has all of the agents seated during the headshot. That would've been impossible for any of them to have hit him at that trajectory from a seated position in the car behind him. That's why it's implausible.
if you calculate the individual probabilities of every antecedent to an event then every event that has ever occurred is implausible.
DJHJR86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:13:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you look at the Bronson film, you can clearly see that the car behind Kennedy's had all of the agents sitting at the moment of the head shot. It's implausible to think that anyone other than Oswald killed Kennedy.
A, Oswald, sets off a series of events which causes B, the president being shot accidentally. Saying what are the odds of one event causing another is ridiculous. What are the odds of two dominoes falling at the same time right next to each other in a line?
DJHJR86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:17:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A, Oswald, sets off a series of events which causes B, the president being shot accidentally
A, read the articles linked, and B, see how easily this theory was debunked.
First shit missed, second went through his neck/upper torso (with is the so called "magic bullet") and third was the head shot. According to official accounts.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His head explodes, you likely won't be a vegetable after that.
You aren't really paying much attention, are you? The first bullet to hit him struck his spine. The second bullet is the one that kablooeyed his skull. The theory is hat that one was an accident.
Didn't the Zapruder film totally debunk the Oswald shooting from the book warehouse theory? Seinfeld even did a bit on it.
MagicSPA ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 23:36:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
President Kennedy was not shot by Lee Oswald alone and unaided - if Oswald even shot at him at all.
The hole in the back of JFK's skull was measured to be SMALLER than the calibre of bullet Oswald was supposed to have fired. Neither was the performance of the head shot consistent with what we'd expect from Oswald's ammo.
The Warren Commission panel was rife with questionable members; Pres. Johnson had previously described Gerald Ford as being "too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time", and yet Ford was just the man for the Commission to investigate the Crime of the Century. Allen Dulles had been fired from his high position in the CIA by JFK and harboured a notorious grudge, but when it came to serving on the Warren Commission he was A-OK.
A finger print found on a cardboard box by the Dallas Police - so a very FRESH print, in other words - in the School Book Depository and stored as "unknown" in the National Archives was later matched by a fingerprint analysis expert to Malcolm Wallace, a thug and gunman who had previously murdered someone on behalf of Lyndon Johnson to protect him politically, and been given a very light sentence as a result of intervention by interests aligned with Lyndon Johnson.
Some of the members of the Warren Commission itself, that famously flawed, contradictory, and incomplete document, concluded that they were not happy with the robustness of their findings.
The list goes on and on, but basically - the more you find out about the JFK assassination the more suspicious it gets.
I like the theory that Oswald was the only gunman, but as the secret service agents scrambled on to the car one of them misfired their gun, putting another bullet into the president.
This would neatly explain the secrecy surrounding the whole affair (the head disappearing, etc) without requiring some huge conspiracy. It was the Cold Wars, times were tense, so they covered it up.
MagicSPA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:21:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a book about that in my room, "Mortal Error". It is a very convincing theory, but even if it is true it doesn't preclude the possibility that other powers were also at play, and that Oswald had nothing to do with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once watched a video where an ex policeman or something said the first weapon they brought from the depository was a Mauser but was never entered into any records, also I'm not sure where I saw this but it was someone talking about how they would pick someone up soon after the shooting occurred regardless. I think it's very possibly Oswald was framed
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, a Dallas deputy sheriff said later that a Mauser was recovered; he said that the officer who identified it used to run a sporting goods store and was an authority on weapons. That was the name that made it into the statement of one of the investigating officers, and which was released to the press - this was later rescinded, but that aspect of the entire case is one of many that is not referred to by the narrative put forward by many authors or the MSM:
Look into the Zapruder film, it was obviously edited and held back for very long. What they had to cover-up: the kill shot is actually two sniper shots hitting him almost at the same time, something that couldn't happen with a lone gun man.
The first shot gets him in the neck. The kill shot is two nearly simultaneous head-shots. There's also a bystander who got hit, in addition to the Governor.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I heard about that a while back. The measurements in the Zapruder film dont' add up, witnesses heads aren't following the car when you'd expect them to, some of the crowd seem to have stopped moving during the second "cut", even though you'd expect them to wave, or jump, or turn to track the limo.
A lot to talk about with that idea. An edited Zapruder film would explain a lot.
Not the steel beams crap, or any of that...the jet fuel thing has been debunked, the not-matching debris thing has been debunked, the missile thing has been debunked, the popular conspiracy theories don't have a leg to stand on.
I'm talking something far less sinister...like covering up a monumental clusterfuck of failed communication between intelligence and administration, or at its most malicious Dubya's handlers intentionally ignoring warnings so that Cheney could get Halliburton a sweetheart deal on some newly-acquired Iraqi real estate.
I don't think Dubya knew...he looked WAY too dumbfounded during the infamous 'My Pet Goat' scene to be in on it, though I do have no doubts that his daddy issues were the perfect leverage Cheney and Rumsfeld needed to get him to go along with it once the wheels were in motion. He always came off as desperate to break out of HW's shadow, and what better way to do that than to 'Do what daddy couldn't' and unseat Saddam (unwitting or willingly ignorant that HW didn't take it because his generals all said 'This is a bad idea, Saddam is an asshole with no right to run a country but he's the only thing keeping it from devolving into a three-way civil war and we do NOT want to get tangled up in that mess', and being the man he was, he listened to them)
vayyiqra ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:59:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe if anyone covered up anything about 9/11, it's what a massively inept failure of government it was.
About a month before 9/11 I was working late at the place across the street from the WTC. When I left work, there were many many official Port authority vehicles (like patrol cars, but marked with PA-NY/NJ)parked around the South Tower. I'd only been working there for a couple of months, so I have no idea if that was a normal thing. I guess it stuck out in my mind because most civil servants don't work that late, and they wouldn't schedule a regular summit sort of meeting at 8:00 pm. Or, it could have been nothing. Also, in the month before the attacks, my manager was sent to our disaster recovery location for a "dry run". Those two completely unhidden things made me wonder how much was known. Probably TPTB knew an attack was imminent, just not the exact details.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:29:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Scottish. Totally amazed anyone believes the 9/11 official story. It's terminal bullshit. You might enjoy the, extremely thorough, work of David Ray Griffin.
Mr_Mars ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:47:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's basically common knowledge at this point that the intelligence community had plenty of warning signs that Al Qaeda was planning something big and probably to do with airplanes. Balls were dropped.
Here's the real conspiracy theory though: it wasn't incompetence at all; the government knew what was going down. As noted, they had lots of advance notice. They knew there would be hijackings, they knew Al Qaeda was behind it. They probably knew who the hijackers were. They probably knew the rough timeframe if not the exact times and dates. The only thing they didn't know was the end game. They expected the hijacked planes would be used as leverage for ransom, demands, airtime, etc etc. It never occurred to them that the hijackers had no intention of coming out of this alive, or that the planes would be turned into literal weapons. They figured they'd let the hijackings happen, wait for the planes to run out of fuel and be forced to land, swoop in and save the day. The President gets a nice little bump to his approval rating, hostage rescue teams get some live fire exercises, the government gets leverage on middle eastern states that aren't super friendly. It was expected to all be a relatively tame affair. Dubya wasn't dumbfounded by the attacks themselves, but rather by the magnitude of them, and the realization that he let them happen.
I don't really believe that, but given the thread we're in.
CVV1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:38:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US intelligence agencies control a lot of the media messaging. Not by direct control but by "leaking" certain information they feel will affect outcomes of certain situations. How often do we simply hear "government sources" rather than actual names?
We've seen this happen with the intelligence agencies leaking stuff about Trump.
Much of the information during the Watergate scandal came directly from someone involved with the FBI. Deep Throat worked for the FBI and gave information to Woodward and Bernstein.
Sirgeeeo ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 16:22:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's referencing a bunch of different conspiracy theories at once.
NASA faked the moon landing and the round earth is a hoax.
JFK was killed by the cia (which is actually a conspiracy theory spread by the KGP)
9/11 was an inside job
OJ didn't do it is probably in there too.
Sirgeeeo ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:03:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many UFO sightings - including the Roswell incident - weren't extra-terrestrial at all. They were just Soviet aircraft intruding into North American airspace and that is something the US and Canadian governments couldn't ever publicly admit to because of catastrophic national security implications. Retaliate, and you go to war. Go public, and the public demand answers. Best bet is to keep quiet and just let it happen.
Notice how all these weird lights in the sky started appearing over US military installations at the height of the Cold War? There you have it. There was also another incident where a suspicious aircraft crashed into the sea, with both US and Canadian navies sealing the area and guarding the crash site. Probably a crashed Russian spyplane.
K-Zoro ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:35:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That or they were top secret American aircraft. That makes a lot more sense as to how you would see them by military bases as they were testing them. I'm not sure the Russians could fly aircraft across the USA without refueling.
ZAVHDOW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd think that it was an SR-71 being tested. The lights could have been the afterburners lighting off, the TEB does make a brilliant flame.
vayyiqra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's much more fun to believe that Area 51 is full of top-secret experimental aircraft built by the United States and full of mind-boggling new technology than that it's full of dumb 1950s flying saucers.
KA1N3R ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely not.
There's also no way they'd risk it more than once.
That's a terrible theory. Mainly because you ignore the red scare that happened during the 40s into the 50s. So the public wouldn't ask questions if soviet aircraft were found flying over the US. They'd be alright with hunting the reds. Like they did with all the false accusations of Hollywood being red, senators, etc.
The fact that the vast amount of UFO sightings decreased extensively after the decline and fall of the USSR, despite the increase in availability and quality of recording technology should be pretty compelling.
Vpantha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very interesting. But i believe we as well as other nations recieved the knowledge of advanced aircraft from other terrestrial beings visiting here. There are many accounts from columbus seeing flying ships in the air to many tribes worshipping sky people.
The Roswell Incident was a part of Porject Mogul, a top secret project to detect Soviet nuclear tests using microphones attached to high altitude balloons.
You should also check out Mirage Men. It's a book and documentary detailing the Air Force's efforts to use UFOs and the community to cover up for top secret testing
Russians didn't have capabilities to do a US recon mission. They'd need in-air refueling close to the US. The Blackbird could but Russia never had anything close to it.
Both Russia and the US, as well as several other countries, have a treaty that allows any of them to fly over any part of any other country in the treaty. I forget it's name, but the topic came up recently when Russia flew a spy plane over the white house while it was being renovated.
Some stipulations are that flights have to be planned ahead of time, all gathered information has to be shared, and a representative of the observed country is on-board during the flyover. For the most part, any airspace of any participating country is wide open to any other.
Andy Kaufman is still alive fo sho. I'm to lazy to look up the official deets, but it was known by his inner circle that he was obsessed with faking his own death. Furthermore, he ended up befriending a man with cancer. He was known to ask the man several questions about what it was like. Why is the cancer important? It was an extremely rare form. This becomes even more significant when it turns out this is the same form of cancer Andy developed. The theory states that the dying man took his place as the supposedly looked similar.
It doesn't end there, however. He had an accomplice, the guy portrayed by Paul Giamatti (spelling?) In Man on the Moon.this same guy came out a few years ago saying that not only did he fake it, but that Andy gave him explicit instructions that if he hadn't made a public reappearance by that time, to publicly call him out. Out of all the fake celebrity deaths, I believe this one is most likely to be true as one way you could describe Andy's style as avant guard (yes I know. Probably misspelled as well) and very social experiment-esque.
One of four things are true. One. He did die but asked his publicist or whoever he is to do this as one final joke. Two. He did fake his death, and diedsince then. Three, he fakes his death and is waiting for a good time. Or four, death faked, either enjoys his anonymity too much, realizes his family would be hurt, or he has another reason for just deciding to stay "dead".
His friend was Bob Zmuda, his writing partner. He wrote a really good book called "Andy Kaufman Revealed," which is a bio of Andy, and later another one explaining why he thinks Andy faked his death.
Huh? People love taking pictures of themselves. And before cameras, there were portraits. Selfies are just a way to not only take a picture of yourself, but brag to other people about where you are. No doubt the government takes advantage of it, but they didn't need to do any work to make them popular.
Lol you can always tell how young someone is when they refer to selfies in some manner like this and ignore or are unaware that before the internet, people just used point and shoot cameras instead of Instagram
Yea, I don't believe that. I would be willing to believe that somebody in the intelligence community noticed that #throwbackthursday was useful to age-prediction software and mentioned something to Colin Powell and he tried to make it more popular.
But its more likely that he posted that photo of himself for his own amusement.
I grew up in the 90's and early noughties. I don't think selfies became a thing until smart phones, but even after they came out - maybe 2-3 years. Even cameras with reversible viewfinding screens have been availabe for ages before smart phones, but selfies weren't a thing people ever did.
Do you not remember MySpace lol? It was even a thing called the MySpace angle to make selfies more attractive looking. Were you on AIM in the 90s too? So many people had selfie photos as their avatar. This is nothing new people love to take photos of themselves, phone cameras just made it way more easy to share. No conspiracy here.
i mean you have to take a picture for your drivers license and that goes directly into a data base so why would they need facial recognition software when they already get names and pictures via government issued IDs and drivers licenses?
Selfies are popular across the entire world. I live in Australia, and as a kid I did it with a digital camera while having no connections to social media. It's human nature. If anything, a company like Facebook would use preexisting selfies to train face recognition, but the US government would have little to no use for that kind of technology.
So is #tbt (throw back Thursday) so they can algorithmically learn to track facial aging.
Eggmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems more likely that if they are doing that they just capitalized on a trend that was inevitable the moment teenage girls got their hands on portable cameras connected to the internet
The quality of machine learning algorithms generally don't keep increasing with the amount of training data after a certain point, eventually it makes little difference. Eg. I can train an image rec algorithm on a database of 1m images or 10m images it wont make much difference. It would be much better to spend resources on researching algorithms rather than collecting more data.
The point of a selfie is for other people to see it, its vanity. Noone looks through albums of their own selfies, selfies are to show other people how hot you look, hence why they increased after all these social media photo apps started coming out, I don't think that has anything to do with America.
Going to have to completely disagree with this one, I would say almost certainly not true and makes very little sense.
azswift ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:22:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government has seeded conspiracy theory groups with members who are visibly off-balance mentally to make members of groups that are too close to the truth seem really wacky and untrustworthy.
The Nixon administration started the War on Drugs in order to discriminate against blacks and the anti-war (Vietnam) movement. The reason why I believe that's true is because his 'domestic policy chief' came out and said it:
Domestic Policy Chief John Ehrlichman - "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
from what i've read.
Nixon was well known for hating most everyone.
Now I won't go as far to say it was Courtney love - no evidence of that.... but he died with his shoes on and so much heroin in his system that it would have been incredibly difficult to shoot himself with a rifle ... he would have had to take his shoes off to pull the trigger
so much heroin in his system that it would have been incredibly difficult to shoot himself with a rifle ... he would have had to take his shoes off to pull the trigger
First of all, it was a shotgun, not a rifle. It's not really that difficult to stretch your arm out to reach the trigger of a gun of this size with the barrel under the chin or in the mouth. Second, heroin addicts (and opiate addicts as a whole) can develop drug tolerances that require them to take much higher doses than an average person would need to get "high." The amount of heroin he had in his blood would incapacitate an opiate-naive person but is completely normal for a person with a significant heroin tolerance.
If this was just some normal dude nobody would doubt that his death was a suicide. But because he was famous, many people want to believe that his death was a murder despite the overwhelming evidnce to the contrary and the multitude of warning signs he exhibited (drug abuse, clinical depression, previous suicidal ideation, etc.)
To back up your bit about opiate-addicts requiring much larger doses, Anthony Kiedis, lead singer of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, was in a bad motorcycle accident, breaking one or both of his arms I don't recall, and smashing up his mouth. In order for the morphine to have effect, he needed what was then and I believe still is now the LARGEST dose recorded in Cedars-Sinai Hospital history.
rabtj ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:10:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ozzy Ozbourne says in his autobiography that he went to the doctors for (something, cant remember what) and the doctor had to give him a sedative.
The doctor had to give him 4 times the recommended dose of sedative to knock him out. Enough, he said, to have put a horse out.
RG3ST21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
scar tissue was a great book
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:10:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's not good reason to stay the hell away from drugs, I don't know what is.
rabtj ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:07:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont care how fucked up i am, i bet i could still mouth a shotgun barrel and pull a trigger.
Lifelong friends have refuted the clynical depression thing, not to mention all the weird shit Courtney Love did leading up to his death. I can't remember exactly everything that led up to it, but there's a good documentary on Netflix with a ton of voice recordings between the PI Courtney hired and Courtney, that really make you think.
What about there was no fingers print of him on the gun and ammo?
klsi832 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:08:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He still had his rehab bracelet on in the death photos, too, even though the official story is he left rehab on a Friday night and shot himself the following Tuesday. I think he was ambushed Saturday or Sunday and injected with a massive dose of heroin (hopefully not held captive at all). He bought two plane tickets right after he left rehab and left a message for Courtney that simply said 'Elizabeth's phone number is...' Cali DeWitt was living at the Seattle house where Kurt's body was found at the time, she talked to Cali on the phone many times that weekend, he and his girlfriend saw Kurt when he got home in the wee hours of Saturday morning. When Courtney called Tom Grant she told him no one had seen him or heard from him since he left rehab, even though he left her a message giving her a phone number where'd he be. Then in the middle of trying to track down her suicidal husband she hires an electrician to work right where the body is lying. None of that is fishy at all.
Not to mention Courtney's "practice papers" in her backpack. She was copying his style of handwriting from his journals to fake his suicide note. They were about to divorce, which would've meant she would've lost out on his Nirvana fortune since they had a prenup.
klsi832 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:48:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's too much to not even mention. That's why there's been several books and movies about it.
mendax__ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he have had to take his shoes off?
3dswho ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To use his toes to pull the trigger
3OH3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't know but I'd assume that pulling the trigger of a shotgun held to your head is pretty difficult unless you use your toes.
The tv show Unsolved Mysteries did an episode on Kurt Cobain - they said he was too, because someone tried to use his credit cards after he was already dead but before the body was found. They also showed the shotgun and measured the strength needed to pull it off.
A LONG shotgun barrel is 30". A typical hunting barrel is 24". Defensive guns and turkey hunting barrels are 18-20". Police use 14" usually. Breaching guns can be 8-12". All on the same action/firearm.
It's unlikely Kobain's shotgun was 30" barrel, they're only reallly for bird hunters.
I'd like to think that one of my favorite musicians didn't kill himself, but he truly did. Chris Cornells death and more recently Chester Bennington certainly show that even those who appear happy and have loving families still have their own personal demons. Personally, I don't trust anything Tom Grant, the PI hired by Love, has to say. He's a publicity hound and frankly a pretty lousy PI (he was at Cobain's house a day or two before he killed himself and if he did a proper search of the area he may have found Kurt holed up on the premises).
Kurt was a addict and depressed individual. He had a tremendous effect on people and the music industry, but also couldn't get past the skeletons in his closet. It's incredibly sad, but really not all that unlikely or surprising. Most of the "facts" of the case people tend to spread come from Tom Grant himself who I think was just trying to get attention/save himself after he didn't do his job correctly.
weiers08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this theory, but him being a rampant heroin user makes me believe he was low and wanted to end it all.
As I recall he had 1.48 ppm of heroin in his system and that .5 ppm would Kill even hardcore junkies. The book written about his death by the private investigator hired by Courtney love to find him while he was still missing was fascinating, of love and death if I do recall.
Bill Gates is actually an alien who traded places with a relatively unremarkable, identical-looking human, and is now using Windows to slow down human progress, error by error.
ran93r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the real BG is writing code for alien motherships?
Actually, the aliens are super chill. They just like art. Bill Gates is a famous singer (aliens are bad at music).
(I'm not just making shit up. This is all a reference to Year Zero by Rob Reid. I take every chance I get to recommend that book to people because I love it so much.)
Not at all, I'm just saying that the amount of information control needed to achieve such a thing, and the number of contact points that would need to be controlled for information leaks, makes it highly improbable that such an effort would stay secret for very long.
lol-117 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:22:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is more a personal conspiracy theory, but my sister and I are convinced that our mom is not our gramma's biological daughter. We think she never had sex with our grandpa, he knocked up a Jewish gypsy women (this was in a poor Polish neighbor in Philly in the 50s), gramma was so horrified about what it would do to her reputation that she took the baby and pretended it was hers.
Evidence includes no pregnant photos of gramma or newborn photos of mom, no one in my family remembers gramma being pregnant, gramma and grandpa both have fair skin and hair while mom has olive skin and thick curls, and gramma gets REALLY MAD whenever we joke that we have Jewish ancestry.
well... if you google it you can find stuff about it, normally i think those theories are stupid but a view days ago some guy on tv and talked about it on a talk show, one thing he talked about was that the middle name of elvis was spelled wrong on his tomb stone, thats not a big thing but in 1989 an unknown artist gave a tape to a producer, the song is called "spelling on the stone" and the artist sounds exactly like elvis, a piece of the lyrics of the song: "people wonder, people ask, am i present, am i past, i never left, i haven't gone, check the spelling on the stone"
Elvis was a simple man at his core. He had had his fun and he just wanted to go back to bumfuck nowhere and drive a truck, and chill on his porch like the hick he was supposed to be.
So he found am out. Or as the movie Bubba Hotep tells the story the switch happened earlier and a Elvis Double was the guy who went to Vegas on die on the shitter.
superkp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:18:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch Bubba Ho-Tep.
While the movie is definitely stupid (in a fun way), it makes the whole portrayal of motives pretty clear and believable.
What was it again? The fame got to be too overwhelming, so he switched with the world's best Elvis impersonator "for a few years" but the dude and his attorney both died or something and he couldn't resume his own identity?
Also why is he not buried next to his mother? He loved her so much why not be right next to her?
numanoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world is full of people that sound like Elvis. Hell, there are Asian Elvis impersonators. Elvis' voice is really easy to mimic, once you hear him. Elvis just had the benefit of being the original.
He doesn't have to be there are a lot of 80 year old still alive
Brendy02 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 01:05:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever Apple or any other big tech company release a new device, they always put out an update that causes the past generations to act up. I have always noticed that my phones began acting strange close to the release of the next model.
I think it's more of a we don't care to spend time and resources fixing the bugs that come up on the old hardware when we try to get the current generation working perfectly.
This is how it works with web development and dealing with different browsers too.
Flight 800 did NOT explode because of the center fuel tank.
There are two competing theories, one is that someone with a shoulder mounted missile launcher standing on or just off the beach shot it down, the other that a sub was doing live firing exercises and things went horribly wrong.
I have no favorite. But as an aviation buff the center fuel tank never held water for me.
It was simply empty. Planes routinely fly with only the fuel they need - they don't necessarily fill the tanks like you would a car.
There are very good reasons for this. Weight and balance, efficiency, etc. For Flight 800 the center fuel tank was empty. They blamed the explosion on a spark and vapor.
This is mine, too. So many credible witnesses. I was in CT at the time and remember President Clinton & Hillary going to the New York (!) airport to wait with the families. Hillary might have been working on her Senate bid, but why Bill unless there was some national implication?
I am completely undecided which theory I like better though. The missile or the sub. Both are pretty convincing for different reasons.
Here is the thing about the center fuel tank....
Running a plane with that tank empty is kind of normal. I mean, look into what I said earlier - planes run with the fuel they need. They don't tend to run excess of what they need. Running with that tank empty was a fully normal thing.
Why did this plane explode and others did not? Planes should have been exploding for some time... yet only this one.
Pick your conspiracy. One of them has the President not wanting to face the ramifications of international terrorism on our shores. The other is the Navy covering up shooting down an airliner.
CFCA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Submarine holing live fire exercises can be imidiatly ruled out. No submarine carries anti-air missiles that reach as high as an airliner flies. If any they carry a short range stinger missile that cant hit Airliners at altitude, only when near ground. It couldn't have been a unlucky collision with a ballistic missile either as all those tests are conducted in the pacific.
The plane hadn't yet reached cruising altitude, it had just taken off. The airport is very close.
Multiple, independent (the witnesses don't know each other) witnesses reported missile contrails prior to seeing the explosion.
CFCA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even so, a submarine is bot going to be firing off missiles willy nilly especially when they dont carry AA missiles normally. If we are operating under the assumption that it was shot down from the sea then I would've had to of been a surface vessel, or Terrorists on a fishing boat. During the investigation the FBI checked and rechecked all the logs and serial numbers of the navies anti-aircraft missiles on board ships in the area, so the only way they could've done it is it someone at a very high-level cooked the books so to speak
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:12:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 30% of Second Life is real people and the other 70% are bored FBI agents listening in on their conversations.
Deflargo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Second Life like the game? Can you elaborate?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:26 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the cancerous game.
keboh ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:16:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK. My grand father is one of the foremost voices in the JFK and MLKjr conspiracies. I've seenabd read some crazy fucking shit. Nothing classified, but he has read basically all of the declassified documents and has the more telling ones ear marked.
Not exactly a conspiracy, but the media is actively subtly trying to influence how we think. It's no mind controlling but they are inevitably biased and try to portrait political players as a specific imago to make us like or dislike specific persons. The USA is always the big good guys. Russia is the evil bad commie east. Left parties are good and populists are bad but unexplainably popular. I'm not sure if any of it comes from or is supported by the government to advance their politicial agendas but it's clear as daylight how biased they are, and I'm pretty sure they portray certain people badly on purpose to change our opinions.
brinazee ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:53:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it's not subtle, I think it is more overt.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:55:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This very site is pure propaganda. Stories are removed are shadow banned. Bots manipulate voting. Admin have admitted to changing pro trump comments, mods of big subs probably get contacted by groups all the time.
Reddit is one of the worst news sources I can think of and all these teenagers get there news from here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is sooooooooo many sources out there. I tend to take some left leaning ones, some right and then ones that tend to be middle of the pack. With technology you can pull news sources from mutiple places and then have them all together.
You mean like how in Soviet Russia, they were all told how the USA is basically a failed state with greedy capitalists taking over everything, leaving people homeless and starving?
Yes, this is called propaganda, and is used on you whenever you switch on your TV.
Just imagine, there are thousands of people out there right now figuring out just the right thing to say or show you you, to get you to do what they want. They will monitor you, collect information about you, and use this to change your opinion on them, on their terms, and all your neighbours will agree with them, making you look like the odd one out.
In China, it's taken to a whole new level of Party Allegience using overt gamification.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't try to control public opinion, someone else will
Tire companies hardened the compound of their all-season tires so they are less effective in winter, increasing their sales of winter tires.
LD_in_MT ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:14:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, harder tires have less traction, but longer life. It's a trade-off. Winter tires have lugs that hold snow in them on the theory that snow sticks to snow better than rubber sticks to snow.
Also coincided with several areas (including mine) passing laws where winter tires are mandatory, even when certain existing all seasons were as good or better than those now certified as winter. Those laws didn't pass everywhere, so they then compromised the safety of the all seasons to generate some deaths to push the laws through later.
Millenials were invented to bolster the participation trophy industry.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:58:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the dastardly avocado toast lobby and their endless vendetta against homeownership.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millenials were invented by a couple of hokey writers to sell their shitty book by capitalising on generational resentment.
It was then picked up by the media for cheap ratings boost by capitalising on that same resentment.
It was picked up by Conservatives to discredit the views of the progressive youth.
Like every other previous generations. The people making these books aren't even sociologists.
It's a race to who's going to coin the name for the next generation first and make money off it.
Could wikileaks have thrown a curveball and delayed the release of said information until after the election? Yes. Did they have this information verified for weeks/months and sat on it until it maximized Clinton damage - possible but unlikely.
Wikileaks vettes any information it receives and it has a solid track record because of this. Vetting information takes time.
This vetting process takes time.
Whomever provided the information to wikileaks did so knowing this and timed their leak to wikileaks such that the information would be vetted and released at a time to maximize damage to Clinton.
Someone was counting on a rough timetable and used wikileaks. Some say it was Seth Rich who was convienently killed in a robbery gone bad(where nothing was taken from his body) or its possible it was Russia.
Yet it is very curious that a) The leaks against Clinton and the Democrats came while Julian Assange was in exile in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. And b) there was a noticeable lack of leaked material regarding the republican candidate(s).
Assange had motive to harm the democrats, where wikileaks got the info is irrelevant, they could have sat on it for another week to avoid influencing the election, yet they chose not to because it would hurt the democrats.
Clinton was on record saying she wanted to "drone wikileaks down". Why would he hold off on releasing information that could stop her from becoming president.
He said he had info on Trump but decided not to release it even though they claim to release all information they get because they say they're all about "freedom of information" yet they also haven't released their dirt on Russia that they promised years ago. :Thinking:
Well, it's nice he finally condemnedthem, but he sure took his time to say that. On the first day, he was asked by journalists to condemn them and he just ignored them. And then this 'both sides' bullshit.
Avachiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:56 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me, it has never been more obvious that the personality of a president has no effects on the actual turnings of the world. Put a monkey in the office, things go the same way, what do you learn? The office is unimportant and exists as a distraction, or at the very most, a scapegoat.
Just a thought.
kihadat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something is up with 9/11. I've watched countless videos and documentaries and read tons of papers and articles (yes this includes reddit posts, those are opinions too.) and I feel like something isn't right.
I don't want to get into a debate because I don't feel like bantering on reddit today, but there are a lot of inconsistencies and "factual" evidence that doesn't make sense to professionals.
Also JFK. Dude wanted to take down the CIA. Dude ends up dead. Hmm.
LD_in_MT ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 20:12:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what the truth is, but I don't believe we've been told, "The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."
Yeah. He fired CIA Director Allen Dulles for going behind his back and against his orders on the Cuban Bay of Pigs incident. So bizarre they would have appointed Dulles to chair the Warren Commission investigatiotn.
Pylons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:30:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dulles wasn't the chair of the Warren Commission. He was on it, but he wasn't the chair.
One of my favorite videos on this was James Corbett's five minute video on the facts, as presented by the government/media. Funny, sad, and scary all at the same time.
https://youtu.be/hgrunnLcG9Q
Fires burned uncontrolled for over 8 hours in a building with structural damage exposing support systems, no active sprinklers due to pressure loss, and a fire rating that is based on lab conditions for 2 to 3 hours, tops. It standing for as long as it did is a testament to its engineering
Large buildings like that have dozens if not hundreds of structures involved in their stability and preservation. These structures are designed by teams that themselves have up to dozens or hundreds of people involved. "I helped design some of the structures involved" is an incredibly broad statement.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
awesome, which?
alves_42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:08:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The planes.
ncreavid ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:48:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now theories like "Bush did 9/11" were turned into a meme. Either by coincidence or also planned by officials.
Now it's a joke and no conspiracy about it will ever be taken seriously. And even if it was created coincidentally - turning important matters into jokes and just laughing about it, instead of thinking about it, is stupid in general.
-500- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Bush did it, I think he probably was informed that it was going to happen and didn't take the threat seriously.
Frustrating thing about 9/11 these days is, anyone calling any detail into question is lumped into the same category as "Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams and also I believe in lizard people and the Earth is flat" folks.
I remember watching a movie in 9/11 and they slow mo the building at time of impact and you can see multiple explosions on each floor, away from the initial impact
They weren't explosions. It was the sudden change in air pressure from the plane running into the building at hundreds of miles per hour. The air pressure inside the building blew the windows out. This is also seen during collapse when the air pressure inside the building goes up for the lower floors, blowing the windows outward.
JediGuyB ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:33:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think people forget that air is a physical thing. If its moved it has to go somewhere.
No, because the "air pressure" was also visible from corners and sections with no windows, was uneven, and proceeded far ahead of the collapse front if it were truly a progressive collapse.
From Shaym Sunder, lead investigator for the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the government body tasked with investigating the Twin Towers' collapse: Well, as I've said, the buildings themselves are really 70 percent or more air. That's where all the tenants work. That's where you have the stairwell enclosures and the space within them. And essentially what happens as the building starts to crumble is that these large voids are suddenly closing, so all that air is being forced out. At the same time, the concrete floor and the gypsum wall partitions which are all grey in color are all being pulverizedโas is the furniture and the contents of the buildingโand this pulverized powder, combined with the air is really thrown out of the building because there's no place for this air to go and you see puffs of smoke which are grayish in color that are ejected pretty much like pistons out on the side as the building comes down. Now, we did see lots of puffs of smoke, and that's not at all very surprising.
Repeating someone whose job it is to spout disinformation won't help your point
-500- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even fluid dynamics, bro?
Jesus man, out of all the things to be skeptical about from that day, you pick the one that can be explained with Freshman year science class knowledge?
I think the whole thing was an act.. I mean, Steve Buscemi was there, anyone else think that's kinda fishy?
Anyone?
515 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:06:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch a video if WTC 7 coming down, and there is no way you can deny there were explosives in the buildings.
Plus so so many other things don't line up.
Sorry, i am sure this is a stupid question, but how would a fire spread in a steelstructure like that. I get that there are things like desks, furniture, etc thqt can catch fire, but it seems like there is not enough fule to keep the fire ablaze and spread.
Yes it does seem like a long time, but I feel like you're underestimating the fuel load in a high rise like this. First of all the fire did not start on every floor simultaneously, it started on lower floors from burning debris from the collapse of the twin towers. The fire started low and then progressed through the 47 stories, and there is a lot to burn, sure there are the obvious desks and furniture, but there are also the walls, carpet, ceiling, doors, insulation, and then on top of that there are copiers and phones and computers. Not to mention the incredible amount of paper. Think about how long it would take to burn a skein of paper and then imagine how many skeins would be in a 47 story building, and that's just the paper.
My question would be if seven hours seems too long, what would sound like a more reasonable time for a 47 story building to burn unctrolled before extinguishing itself, keep in mind the collapsed towers burned for over three months.
Me too. Public finds out a trillion dollars just up and vanished like a fart in the wind. Shortly after 9/11 happens. One of the planes hits the exact area in the Pentagon where evidence is being stored. Plane wreckage is nonexistant. The Jesse Ventura interview about 9/11 is really interesting.
Here is a new video from my favorite 9/11 truther. All of his videos are well thought out. No stupid CG plane theories. Just straight physics and architecture.
There's a big difference in fires on the exterior of the building such as dubai and fires that are burning through the inner structure and structural components of the building
There's been plenty of evidence refuting stupid zeitgeist conspiracy videos, and claiming you don't want to get into bantering about it is just a flimsy way to avoid people showing up with proof.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:27:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The JFK assassination was a botch. Oswald was supposed to do the job but failed to hit him in a vital spot. Secret Service in the vehicle behind him was using an AR-15 and was not properly trained and accidentally shot JFK. Oswald was assassinated before his trial because if he were to testify in his own defense he would have said that he only fired two shots. The third shot came from the AR-15, either purposely aimed, or the Secret Service was inept, or got the luckiest hip shot ever.
See the Documentary "The Smoking Gun".
Phediuk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:48:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of think this, but up until that point Hitler had done everything pretty much legally and by the book. It seems almost foolish to pull a stunt like that. If it came out that you orchestrated it then everyone hates you.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:09:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Who would blame me? Up until now, I've done everything by the books!"
KA1N3R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang you just made this account so you could post this comment for karma.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Redditor for 2 months
anooblol ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 21:57:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who hate the "left" or "right" pose as people on the other side, and commit crimes. Making the other side look bad by doing crime in "their name".
Like that Bernie supporter that shot people in a (baseball game?). And the apparent Trump supporters assaulting people.
No way. They've got to be double agents.
Edit - Classic, "I don't like this conspiracy theory on a thread about conspiracy theories." smh, I accept the downvotes.
Edit 2 - Reddit redeemed itself today. Faith is restored, have a great day Reddit :).
I did over hear a conversation by someone about how they are registered for the other party. That way they can vote for the worst candidate in hopes of influencing the election.
anooblol ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:58:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's so sick, but I'm not even close to surprised it goes on.
I thought about that when I was registering to vote. Then I realized I never like the party I was thinking I aligned with me, so better support my side rather than drag the other side down.
...I did this, but I live in possibly the reddest state in the US. And until very, very recently, independents weren't allowed to vote in either primary so aligning myself as such (what I really would consider myself) would have been a literal wasted vote.
Fun fact! Hard evidence for that one from the clinton campaign!
Rept4r7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:08:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bebe's transfer to Manchester United was a payoff to former United and then Portugal coach Carlos Queiroz for interfering with Nani's drug test while playing for Portugal.
Queiroz found out Nani (a Manchester United player at the time) was to be tested and sent him home. He was found guilty of interfering, was given a lengthy suspension, and fired as Portugal's coach.
Queiroz then recommends Bebe to United. Bebe had just gone from some small broke club to a Portuguese Primeira Liga club. He played six friendlies and had a buyout of 9 million euros. Sir Alex Ferguson buys Bebe having never seen him for 7.4 million pounds. A big finder's fee goes to Queiroz and there may have been additional payments through Jorge Mendes, who brokered the Bebe deal and also represented Querioz.
Queiroz knew Nani would fail that test. He basically took the fall for him and United paid him for it.
Will prob get buried, but there's actually a very convincing argument to be made that Willy Wonka is a cannibalistic serial killer who lured the kids so he could eat them. Some points?
Ompa Loompas always have a song rehearsed.
All the vehicles in the movies have just the right amount of seats left for the remaining kids.
His reaction when Augustus (a kid whose mother previously stated could not swim) falls into the chocolate river.
There's tons more throughout the internet, just a quick search will find some evidence. And dont even get me started on Grandpa Joe.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:33:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The British withdrawal from the European Union is intended to allow the Conservative party to strip away regulations, saftey standards, national institutions(NHS) and taxation to allow for wealthy buisnessmen to establish a tax haven in which they can make huge profits whilst paying everyone else in peanuts.
Since Thatcherism many on the right have been supportive of Neo-Liberalism. Many politicans view the EU as a block in the advancement of Neo-Liberal(ironic as a lot of the far left view it as being the bastion of Neo-Liberalism) policies. Many politicans such as Nigel Farage who brought in the question of leaving the EU grew up under Thatcher and want to continue her legacy of creating a Neo-Liberal Britain like "how she wanted".
I believe that all the hate that millenials get is a pre-emptive attack to prevent and discredit the fact that the generation who came before us ruined the economy and put us in crippling debt. I call them the recessive generation.
JFK conspiracy. No clue as to what actually happened but if you think Oswald pulled off three rounds, one a headshot, in under 8 seconds with a bolt-action single shot cheap Italian rifle, boy do I have a bridge to sell you
Its not hard to find videos of people doing it and you could do it yourself, its really not that hard. Oswald was also a former marine trained in marksmanship. So you can keep your bridge and while your at do 30 seconds of research instead of just parroting what you read on some conspiracy forum.
Whether you agree with the conspiracies or not, Oswald himself was an ex-Marine. He wasn't just some random nutter fumbling with a gun.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ZAVHDOW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Storm drain theory?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was oswald, the police brought a Mauser out of the depository but never entered it into any records, and the police chief or someone like that said they would pick someone up soon no matter what just so hey could have someone in custody
Princess Diana was murdered, I have no doubt whatsoever. Why? Just do 30 minutes of research into the circumstances surrounding her death that night in Paris and you'll understand my angle.
-The CCTV in the tunnel mysteriously fails moments prior to her 'accident'
-After the incident, the wreckage is removed and the tunnel is swept and reopened for public use within two hours. Oh, and the CCTV appears to start working again.
-The first medic on the scene said Diana was fully conscious and described her injuries as 'severe but not life threatening'
-The Royal Family ordered that an autopsy would not take place and that Diana's body was to be embalmed and prepped for the morgue immediately after she passed
-Months prior to all of this, Diana wrote a letter to her butler telling him that they are 'planning an accident in my car' to make way for Prince Charles to marry his mistress.
In England, such elaborate political assassination plots are usually carried out by MI5. Who was head of MI5 at the time? Prince Philip.
Very recently, a retired MI5 operative made a deathbed confession that he himself was part of a hit squad that assassinated Diana on the orders of Prince Philip. This has never been investigated, obviously
That's just the beginning, there's much more. Go get it!
mistgem ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say this. The "discovery" of Mohammed Atta's passport is what broke the cognitive dissonance for me (jet fuel melts steel, but paper miraculously survived, people could not be found, but a tiny bit of paper was).
superkp ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 20:11:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I've had bonfires to get rid of drawer's worth of old paperwork, old homework, etc. etc.
Every single time there's a few pieces that survive.
All those notes that I'm going to need next semester in order to pass a class? Gone.
That one note that my ex-girlfriend used to break up with me in a really awful way? slightly singed.
Yea but out of all the damn paper in that building, and they find one of the terrorist (that was on the plane that basically vaporized on impact) passport on the ground, C'MON MAN!!!
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm not saying it's very plausible, by the skepticism has to go both ways.
I'm skeptical that the passport wasn't planted, and I'm skeptical that it was.
Atta and presumably his passport would have been on a plane that exploded and burned hot enough to take down a building that was designed to survive such a hit. First responders reported picking up hands and legs and that ground zero was burning for quite some time. There was tons of dust, ash and debris. Anyways, the passport isn't the only thing that raises questions about what happened, it just happened to be the thing that made me begin asking questions.
The buildings did survive a hit from a plane though, they stayed up for hours after the planes hit. They didn't survive the fires that weakened the structure though
dear god they design buildings to take hit's from airplane's now? i thought they made them powerful enough to to collapse under the weight of themselves, age and the stuff and people inside but they are designed for scenario's no one saw coming now? ffffff science is magic.
I assume you are being sarcastic. However, planning for worst case scenarios is not new and is an ongoing process. Even minor mishaps or minor terror attacks can be quite disruptive: for instance a car crash shuts down an interstate, yet presumably there is another route, shooting off a gun for fun that manages to hit a major power line, etc. Yes, these things are considered and plans are drawn up. In fact, on the day in question, the US military was conducting exercises and it is rather interesting what exercise they were conducting.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you view building 7 as a "smoking gun"?
tisdue ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:29:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The building collapsed without reason. Almost like it was supposed to be hit by a plane, but the plane never made it. The building was likely pre-rigged to drop, and they still went through with the demolition and explained it away with BS later.
Bldg 7 was hit with debris on only one side, it should have fallen over with parts of the building crumbled and parts still standing. Like the Oklahoma City bombing. Bldg 7 dropped at free fall speed straight down all sides, corners, equally at a straight vertical descent. It was a controlled demo without question, which itself takes a lot of planning, looking at building skematics, on-site measurements, wiring, it's tricky to get the timing and placement of demo explosives just right. Couldn't have happened in one day among the chaos of ground zero. I'm not a conspiracy theory enthusiast, not leaping to any conclusions on the who or why, but I've always been perplexed by Bldg 7 and the lack of awareness and discussion about it.
That was really good. I've actually never seen it explained like that and I can finally say there's an actual explanation that I can swallow. This video needs to be seen by more people.
Seriously. Can't argue there. I mean, look at my first post. I've been disturbed by this for many years and never found any good explanation. So sincerely, thank you for that!
Wtc 7 was also the point steel framed building that didn't have an operating sprinkler system, was abandoned by fire fighters, had another building fall on it comprising its load bearing ability and exposing is structural steel, used its support system, and had fire burning unchecked for 8 hours .
You're reaching for something that isn't there because it's something unusual to you. We've been predicting a building collapse like this since at least the 50s and knew it was just a matter of when, not if, one would collapse
The problem with the 9/11 commission report, is it seems to me that they rushed writing it. I am not surprised that conspiracy theories were able to develop, it just wasn't in depth enough. The problem now, is that there isn't that much of a demand for a new investigation. For most people, either the official report is good enough, or they can do their own research.
rugtoad ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:53:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The commission report didn't go into things like "Why did WTC 7 collapse?" because it specifically was not in the scope of that agency.
The NIST report, however, did go into full detail and presented a perfectly rational and reasonable explanation for the collapse. Truthers don't want to believe it, though.
rugtoad ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:08:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 12, me and a friend bought a water balloon launcher. We launched a lot of water balloons, trying to hit stop signs and what not...but at some point, we asked ourselves, "What else can we launch?" One of the first things we tried was a golf ball. It probably made it about 150 feet up, then came down into the soft ground in our yard and buried itself nearly 6 inches deep. It was pretty cool. Anyhow...
Flight 93 was flown nose-first, full-throttle into the ground. Impact velocity was over 500mph. It hit with a kinetic energy of nearly 10 times higher than that of a normal plane crash, with all of that energy focused in direct-impact fashion rather than a more typical "skid-out" crash where pilots are fighting to keep the aircraft afloat.
On top of that, it hit into relatively soft ground.
Simply put, this crash site is exactly what you'd expect to see from this type of crash. Like my golf ball, a good bit of that plane ended up buried underground. The force with which that aircraft hit the ground was on-par with close to a literal ton of TNT.
With that kind of force, most of the people on the plane would have been completely obliterated by the G-forces in the impact. We're talking hundreds of Gs, ripping every organ and tissue out of the body. Every bone would be shattered. This sort of trauma would look similar to the end-result of someone strapping a few sticks of dynamite to their chest and setting them off.
And while the human body is pretty fragile...these spectacular results still give you an idea of how what kind of destruction the aircraft itself saw. Much of it would be blasted into tiny shreds at best.
To me, the crash site is actually pretty damned convincing evidence of the actual story. Nobody shot 93 down, if they had done so we would have seen bodies littering the countryside and a crash scene that spanned for miles. It wasn't a missile or bomb, unless it was in the perfect shape and size of a Boeing 757.
Everything about the crash site supports the official story. Unless, of course, you have no idea what you're looking at and are just trying to come up with some sort of reason to believe in one of the most spectacularly absurd conspiracy theories ever dreamt up.
eunit250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they steal all of the CC videos minutes after the crash from the surrounding area and never release them? It seems like that would be a good way to get these people off of their back. Also wouldn't their be a mark of plane wings in the building at least? Surely they wouldn't just incinerate before hitting the building.
rugtoad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:46:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is if the definition of religion making masses of people ignore reality and believe in the ridiculous?
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other than the "masses" part, you've described your little idiot club perfectly. I'm sure more people would buy into it if traumatic brain injuries were more common.
There was debris at the crash site. The reason why it isn't evident from the aerial photographs, is due to the high speed impact of the plane into the ground.
"My photographer and I were working nearby when we got the call: a plane crashed less than four miles from where we were....We arrived there 30 minutes after the accident. We got there so fast I was able to walk right up to the crater.... Nothing was there -- no wreckage, no fire. Only a row of burned trees..."
So, your telling me that when a plane crashes in the the ground straight down at hundreds of miles per hour, that the debris is going to be easily visible?
Holy crap, I just realized what you're thinking and it's hilarious! Do you actually believe the plane and vanished into the ground with no trace on the surface other than turned over soil?
No, because they did actually find debris at the crash site. What I was trying to say, is that any semblance of the plane body, was immediately destroyed on impact.
look up, someone else already posted pictures of actual commercial airline crashes, there is a lot of debris. In the Pennsylvania missile hit there was no debris, 2 12 ton magnesium turbine impellers don't evaporate or turn to dust upon impact. Seriously, watch one of the many documentaries about 911, you will either understand why we are wrong or why you may be wrong. I was entirely skeptical until I watched Lose Change, it was idiotic to think it could be a conspiracy, or so I thought. I wanted to make fun of the tinfoil hat brigade but after about 45 minutes I knew it was an inside job, not because of what I was hearing but what I was seeing. I dare you to open your mind and check out "Lose Change".
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:53:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The building was likely pre-rigged to drop
If the conspiracy was real they wouldn't have pre-timed explosives. That's too easy to notice if the plane doesn't make it. There are too many factors to think about to get the plane there to sync with the timed explosive. Wind resistance. Fuel. The timing of the hijacking. And if these masterminds were smart they would've not dropped Building 7 at all because the attack had already done the damage intended. Building 7 was at most a controlled demo to keep more people from dying or to remove the burning building. The reality is, it was more than likely destroyed by some critical fires in the right places caused by debris.
tisdue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldnt have to be pre-timed at all. The twin towers were hit, and didn't come down for a while after. They could have let the planes hit, given it 10-15 minutes for a good amount of people to be evacuated, and then demo'd it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I misread, I thought you meant pre-timed, but you said pre-rigged.
tisdue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all good, dude.
-500- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you spent, like, 10 minutes google searching there is an easy explanation for this.
The towers collapsed less than 100 yards away, flaming debris entered the building. It burned uncontrollably for 7 hours, and the interior collapsed followed by the outer framing.
The steel expands when heated, which dislodges it from its joints and voila, it collapses.
eunit250 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes perfect sense. Many steel structures larger than these have been completely engulfed in flames for longer than 20 hours and didn't collapse. These were the first in history so I can understand the conspiracy.
-500- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but how many have had massive pieces of debris slam into them from a collapsing skyscraper right next to them.
Nothing is up with building 7. Fire departments abandoned it around 10 am because it was empty and not worth going into. This left fire to burn uncontrolled for about 7 hours + the time during depth operations in the building. The sprinkler system didn't work because the days events caused a loss in water pressure and falling debris exposed structural components to fire. At its best, fire r resistance would have been rated for about 3 hours (based on lab conditions, not real world ones). The fact that the building stood for roughly 7 to 8 hours with fires is a testament to how well it was designed
eunit250 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:55:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought there was only fire on one of the top floors and it was inside the building. Also wasnt building 7 Tower 7, on fire for 8 hours which also housed the Secret Service, the CIA, the Department of Defence and the Office of Emergency Management and their files? Also these are the only steel structure buildings to ever collapse from a fire. Larger structures have been on fire completely and for longer and still didn't collapse. I think it's kind of strange at least and something to look into.
Other buildings that were on fire for a lot longer weren't hit with falling debris that exposed structural support systems and took chunks of structural support away that comprised the load bearing ability of the building. Other buildings that were on fire for a lot longer didn't have a malfunctioned sprinkler system that was inoperable due to lack of water pressure. Other buildings that were on for a lot longer don't have the same structural design as building 7 did.
Don't compare other fires to wtc 7. No fire will be the same. And no, there were fires in multiple floors throughout the building. You could just image search the building and get a shot early on with fires on two floors very low in the structure
And while these are the only buildings to collapse from fire, once again, we've been predicting this since the 1950s and have text books describing failure mechanisms. Further, it had been looked into, many times. We've already figured out why wtc 7 collapsed and it wasn't because of a demo
edit: grammar
5pez__A ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fires could not have resulted in free fall acceleration of the building for more than 2 seconds according to NIST - indicating negligible structural resistance.
how did all that building get out of the way of the collapse all at once in a progressive scenario you describe? of course it was demolition.
First, that free fall speed stuff nonsense. That's a talking point of people who have no idea what they hell they're talking about. The building collapsed the way it did because heat exposure caused a key support column to slip out of its seating and compromised the entire system. The building essentially lost its support system in a matter of seconds due to compromise from fire and debris damage triggering a collapse from one side to the other and the impact load of collapsing floors completely overwhelmed the system to the point that what was left might as well have not even been there.
This is all consistent with what we've understood about building collapse and high rises since the 1950s. The are plenty of videos that explain the mechanics, even in this thread. Just go look for them.
There was nothing odd about the collapse.
eunit250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are the only steel structured buildings to ever collapse from fire. I think that is odd. I mean I believe the twin towers definitely had some sort of failsafe but many steel structures that are a lot larger then building 7 have been completely ablaze for almost five times as long as building 7 and it collapse from after only 8 hours. So kind of hard to understand learn from something that has never happened in the past. You have to admit that is pretty odd.
5pez__A ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:12 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're wrong. NIST themselves confirm free fall acceleration was measured. Something you or anyone can observe themselves from the video
How ironic you bring up talking points and then spout your own nonsense. Do you need me to help you google NIST's admission of free fall acceleration for over 2 seconds?
The claims you make are impossible. You are omitting key structural elements in your analysis. I can't wait to see how you fit free fall into your theory of progressive collapse. It's been a while..
Yea, it's not a talking point for people who don't know what they're talking about because NIST said it, it's a talking point for people who don't know what they're talking about because they don't understand physics or how the building was constructed.
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop.
5pez__A ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:14:07 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity
This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent timeโcompared to the 3.9 second free fall timeโwas due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. '
Besides, you or anyone can measure it, if so inclined. You're the one who doesn't know what they are talking about, and is spewing talking point falsehoods. This proves it.
Oh, and also, don't forget the sentence you cut off with your nonsense from NIST
During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above.
5pez__A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:51 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how is scientific measurement of free fall that is confirmed by a government scientific agency nonsense?
it says free fall - negligent resistance from the structure. and gives a number of seconds they measured it for.
the part you highlight is not a measurement, it's speculation, and it is not backed up by ANY science. you're nearly a laugh.
Then explain it. You have the answers, right? Use math proofs and a credible analysis and explain 1) what free fall speed means in this context, 2)why its impossible for any such conditions to occur to cause a free fall during a collapse (be sure you test and rule out variable that arose due to the buildings structural design of parallel support columns), 3) how demolition does not defy laws of physics but somehow only a collapse can.
Then as a follow up, explain why you're willing to accept NIST time measurements, but then reject their analysis on the building failure in which they have a lengthy report that is consistent with explaining why it fell the way it did. You can't have it both ways. Either NIST is credible or they're not because the times you want to cite as some grand proof came out of their report they referred to in the link I posted.
George Bush Jr and George Bush Sr were each standing in one of the towers with a remote control flying the planes and crashed them in to the buildings.
Jr then teleported to the least suspicious place on earth... Kindergarten... and Sr teleported to... i dunno a golf course or something.
I think most people, deep down, know that something was hinky. But many people cannot conceive of anyone being evil enough to kill thousands of their fellow countrymen for money and power.
chaitin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:29:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I legitimately think it makes sense that the apparent terrorist attack was a terrorist attack. I think most people agree.
The counters to this mostly consist of poking holes in the widely accepted sequence of events (building 7, talking about how debris looks, etc). Very few are at all convincing, as many deal with laymen's explanations of what should "obviously" happen under extreme conditions. The less obvious questions are generally explainable if you do a bit of research (like why building 7 fell so fast).
None of the proposed conspiracies make more sense than a bunch of terrorists planning to fly four planes into buildings themselves.
Literally every one of those screenshots shows me posting the theory in question.
I'm not sure how that supports your argument that I use throwaways or ask other Redditors to offer it. It has been stolen from time to time โ usually by spam accounts โ but I only ever offer my own work under my own name.
The Mandela Effect. The universe I grew up in had the Bernstein Bears and chartruce was a red wine color. I and lots of other people have slipped into a parallel dimension.
Another one just to add to the repertoire, does Kit. Kat. The candy bar have a blank space or a hyphen in between the two words? I'm leaving it ambiguous so you can look it up and report whether I'm crazy or it's another example of the Mandela effect.
In this reality chartreuse is a liqueur. In my home reality, it was a wine. If I am meerly misremembering things, why do other people misremember things in the exact same way?
Conspiracy, that's why.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:08 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because misremembering is not a random process. Memories are plastic and easily influenced by external information.
If someone says they remember something "this way" your memories are then likely to modify themselves to fit the description that has been given to you.
It also works with self-suggestion. If you tell yourself that that's how you remember then it's how you'll remember it.
Factors in your confirmation bias that makes you want to validate your already held view point and if you keep looking for it you'll keep "finding" things that seem different because you will upon stumbling on them, brainwash yourself into thinking they were different in the past.
There is a lot of peer reviewed research on that, read up on it.
And as far as Occam's razor is concerned it requires a lot less far fetched astrophysics conjectures.
That's why when you are looking for cases of Mandela effect, you don't say "Didn't Nelson Mandela die in the '80s?" You say "Do you know when Nelson Mandela died?" Just like the Kit Kat guy from the other comment.
Sure false memories are a thing sometimes, but "Collective False Memories" are different.
As far as occum's razor goes, "the theory with the most assumptions is correct," I am assuming only that alternate dimensions exist and people, including me can and do slip between them without being aware of it. You are making assumptions about the situations under which each person experiencing Mandela effect first heard about the situation they are having "false memories" of and how their brain handled it.
Imagine, if you will, a bunch of "two dimensional" beings. They live on what we experience as a table. They aren't truly two dimensional, they are made of paper, and therefore have a minor thickness to them, but since they can't move on their own in that dimension, they don't really notice it. It would be very easy for a natural force, like the wind to blow them to another table, or a 3 dimensional being like us to pick one up and move it to another table. We could be similarly limited.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:11 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why when you are looking for cases of Mandela effect, you don't say "Didn't Nelson Mandela die in the '80s?" You say "Do you know when Nelson Mandela died?" Just like the Kit Kat guy from the other comment.
Sure false memories are a thing sometimes, but "Collective False Memories" are different.
No they're not man. Sorry to break it to you man but literally tens of millions of people are exposed to the same kind outside influence through rumours, mass media, pop culture even before they land on your sub.
Want me to solve the great incomprehensible Berenstain mistery? Here goes. Berenstain, Einstein => Berenstein. Wow man! What wizardry is this.
Why do you remember the hyphen in Coca-Cola being lower? Because that's where you fucking expect it to be, because that's usually where hyphens are.
Magic Mirror - Mirror Mirror. It's magic mirror in the animation movie. It's Mirror mirror in the book.
That's not how Occam's razor work man. It's not about whether you can phrase it in 1 or 12 lines. It's about what is the most banal and requires the least amount of rare or extraordinary things to happen.
IE :
My only assumption is that memory is plastic and easily manipulated. Which is proven scientific fact.
Your assumption is " a bunch of absurdly non-sensical pseudo-science happened.
Actually.... A person is not an elemental particle. It's only an undividable entity in our mind. This is the same kind of bs pseudo-science the Chopra of the worlds use to explain "telepathic" powers by "quantum entanglement". Whatever fanciful phenomenon you imagine would have no reason to affect an entire person.
You've obviously decided you know how the world works and aren't going to pay attention to other people's experiences and user names. You are never going to change your mind about how the world works. There's no point in me arguing with you while you have your head buried in the sand.
I ain't panicked by you, kid, just bored.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:16 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am fully capable of changing my mind. I just prefer to do it based on well documented facts and studies rather than on the incoherent rambling of delusional strangers on the internet.
Chances are you too think that the internet is full of people who say non-sensical things and demand that other's take it on faith.
What you don't seem to realise is that what you're saying fits into the exact same category. Excuse-me while I put your brand of absurdity in the same box as people who adamantly claim to be the reincarnation of an ice dragon.
You are right. I do think the internet is full of people who say non-nonsensical things. The difference is that when people claim to be the reincarnation of an ice dragon, I don't wander in and comment about how their brain works, order them around, and misgender them.
You don't want to be swayed by the things I say because I don't have peer reviewed scientific work in this field? Fine. Too busy to read usernames? Fine. Just stop trying to tell me how I experience the world. Unless you want to pay for my time. I accept Amazon gift card.
In all honesty I swear that "Vimto" was always "Vinto" instead. But only I can remember that it was called Vinto. Think about it dammit Vinto rolls off the tongue so much easier why on earth would it be called Vimto????
That dude who worked on Hilary Clinton's campaign and leaked shit and then mysteriously died in a mugging. I believe it was a hit
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:52:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The clintons probably have miles of skeletons. Not to mention the Clinton foundation is corrupt as fuck.
Probably just says handle it and then they get to work.
Ian1732 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:42:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are there so many famous people who die when they turn 27? Because there's some sort of organization that approaches celebrities at that stage of their and asks them if they want out of the business, and offers them the opportunity to leave stardom behind and live a life of normalcy. If they take the offer, their death is faked, and they're given a new name, maybe some plastic surgery, and shipped off to where nobody will ever recognize them.
pouch28 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:40:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United Airlines staged that dude getting dragged and beaten off a plane so they could unveil their shittier economy basic level of service without anyone really paying attention.
The DNC leak was an inside job (Seth Rich). And he was murdered as a result, and the murder was covered up and blamed falsely on a robbery (even though nothing was taken from his dead body..still had his wallet and watch on him).
It'd be interesting if the DNC hack is tied to the RNC hacks and it's the Russians. They dropped damning info on Hillary but left Trump virtually untouched. When the RNC isn't on par with serving interests of an evil government like Russia's, then we will see all this damning information on Republicans.
KA1N3R ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's far more likely that Seth Rich actually did leak the E-Mails, but the Kremlin had him murdered to tie up loose ends. Evidence would be that WikiLeaks is basically a russian Intelligence operation.
That literally makes NO SENSE. If "teh Russians" were behind the scenes, they would want an American fall guy.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:37:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you idiot, Guccifer 2.0 and Fancybear were responsible for that DNC information which Wikileaks then posted shortly before the election. The intelligence agencies (CIA amongst them), which is a neutral agency confirmed it and debunked any of those b.s. theories about murder.
Go put on your tinfoil hat elsewhere
dudehat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:20:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resorting to name calling sheds light on your lack of argument. In a debate the first person to throw a punch loses. Work on your argument.
If you believe anything the cia says to the media, or any other intelligence agency from any country for that matter, you're a moron.I genuinely don't want to be a dick but I can't word that any other way.
Hey, trump has unlimited powers to declassify this shit, he just won't.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:40:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Marilyn Monroe's death was a suicide. There's this big theory that she was killed by the government because she knew too much being with JFK. They found broken ribs when they found her dead body and the last person she saw that night was JFK's brother. I watched this documentary on it, I would recommend it. It's on YouTube.
jacxy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bin Laden died at Tora Bora, everything else until his 'death' at the hands of ST6 was political theater.
Orphins ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:04:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody pees in the shower
all2neat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:39:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think manbearpig is real damnit!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is being monitored by the Illuminati and other groups so they can spread misinformation to "disprove" all the theories mentioned here.
Their controls and secrets can't be maintained if people know the truth, so they will either "prove" the theory false, or help keep it just a theory.
The Kings were cruising against the Lakers going into the fourth quarter, up 3-2 in the series, when suddenly the whistles came out. Every time a King touched a Laker they were shooting two. They fouled out Vlade Divac and Scott Pollard. I remember Shaq decapitating a guy and not getting called. The Lakers kept drawing charges with their feet moving. Hell, the announcers calling the game couldn't believe it.
When crooked ref Tim Donaghy was busted, he specifically mentioned that the 2002 Western Conference finals were rigged to A. Make the only exciting series in the playoffs go one more game and B. Put the Lakers in the finals, because the finals would have otherwise been the Sacramento Kings and the New Jersey Nets. The East was a joke, either Sacramento or LA would have stomped the Nets, but more people would watch if it was the Lakers.
JFK, Malcolm X, and Martin Luther King Jr. What did they have in common? They were all talking about civil rights. And they were all assassinated. Coincidence? I think not.
Dynas_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:06:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the government is still concealing information about 9/11. For example, Saudi Arabia's involvement that came out recently.
Princess Diana's death was deliberate.
JFK was killed off by the government.
There's secret research being done in Antarctica of who knows what.
Dynas_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couple of things. Several prominent people visited there not too long ago like Buzz Aldrin and then Secretary of State John Kerry in 2016. Why?
There is research ongoing there and several strange things about Antarctica in general anyway like the 91 volcanos that were recently discovered or the giant gravity spot.
Lastly, Antarctica isn't necessarily owned by one country. 26+ countries lay claim to it and there's a 300m perimeter that is maintained by the military around the continent so you can't just go there on your own.
Nazi's landed there also supposedly.
Aiox123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some suspicious stuff on Google maps, areas blurred.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A jackton of stuff is blurred on Google maps. My local police station is blurred. They requested Google blur it so potential threats couldn't use the satallite images to plan an attack, and Google complied. And I can personally attest that there are no UFOs, aliens, bigfoots (bigfeet?), reptillians or nibirus in my local police station.
Being blurred on Google maps isn't suspcicious.
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but this is Antarctica, wtf would be worth blurring there.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:31 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, clearly, the Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster *rolleyes*
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:24 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must be a great responsibility, knowing everything.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? It's less burdensome than you might think. The really annoying thing, though, is when guileless jackasses on the internet get their jock straps in a bunch because my nonbelief threatens their commitment to their own beliefs. As if I'm responsible for other people's intellectual insecurities.
Thankfully, my vast intellect does provide some comfort.
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha, well you read a lot in to my comments, or you just want to troll a bit. Me, I like to keep an open mind on all things. This is not worth anymore of my time. Adios.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:09 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can personally attest that there are no UFOs, aliens, bigfoots (bigfeet?), reptillians or nibirus in my local police station.
That sounds like exactly the sort of thing a bigfoot would say.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going through my post history? Staaaalker.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough, no, coincidence, though I can see why you'd think so. Well you're a bigfoot. Naturally I was curious.
Aiox123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some suspicious stuff on Google maps, areas blurred.
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:52 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the government is still concealing information about 9/11. For example, Saudi Arabia's involvement that came out recently.
Princess Diana's death was deliberate.
JFK was killed off by the government.
There's secret research being done in Antarctica of who knows what.
1 - yes they are. the people would have long revolted if they knew the truth of what our government really does and has done in the name of politics. and the common good.
2- doubtful.
it was a tragic accident that never needed to occur.
3-governnent? dunno, that was a very polarized time in the US.
the commies were all over the place. missle gaps, public military failures.
as far as 'the government' doing it, doubt it, a small faction inside , very possible.
but i do believe there was more than one shooter.
4- lots of secret research , and huge amounts of public research in the Antarctic.
however, its not what you are thinking. no nazis no ufos.
That Hollywood is run by a ring of incredibly rich pedophiles. I was reading an article that said Justin Bieber cancelled his world tour because the ones who run Hollywood wanted him to abuse a young boy on video and he refused. Apparently in order to be projected as an icon in the industry, these people make you abuse a young child and get it on video so they own you while you make them even richer. Heath Ledger and Chester Bennington's apparent 'suicides' are speculated to have happened because they either had evidence to prove these pedophiles run Hollywood or they weren't afraid of speaking out against them and they were examples to the rest of the industry to not even think about speaking out or else the same will happen to you.
Kusibu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has "unintentional" combat prowess far beyond the capabilities of a fool. When attempting to convince someone to meet his requests, he very often moveshishands in a method evocative of the Jedi mind trick wave. And this silly guy, this buffoon, is in Palpatine's core contingent. On the surface, he appears to "stumble" into victories and positions, but that stagger is devastatingly calculated.
MiniNuka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that is certainly alarming
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MiniNuka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they had made Jar Jar less fucking annoying. I would have loved to see his story unfold before they killed the character off.
There is some fan edit (maybe despecialized?) out there where Jar Jar speaks in an alien language with subtitles, it's really amazing how much better the movie is with just that fix.
That the current political climate, where everyone is developing extreme views, is being consciously created by powerful players behind the scenes.
It makes sense, and has happened before in history. What we are seeing is textbook 'divide and rule' strategies playing before our eyes over the last few years.
Liberalism, multiculturalism, feminism all have one thing in common - they flood the workforce with labour. This lowers wages. Then monetary policies push up asset prices so people have to work their whole lives to pay for their homes. People could vote against these policies if they were united. But no, then the media outlets take on increasingly extreme editorialised rhetoric which serves to divide people, drive wedges within families and old friends, and create smaller groups of people who are each less powerful than the anonymous players behind the scenes.
The end result is radical income inequality. Everyone is a slave in all but name. Fickle, easily controlled, and easily convinced to follow the plans of the elite.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:46:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be interested in "The Fourth Turning" by Strauss and Howe.
Yup, there's a marketplace for reddit accounts that have age and karma. They have value because some subs require a certain level of karma to submit frequently, and it lends credibility to the kind of people that like to dig into an account's history to see if they're spamming. Marketers use them to push products and political ideologies. There were a couple of youtube videos titled something similar to "how I bought my way to the reddit front page" that went viral right here on reddit awhile back detailing the process.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea.
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-The German government paid for the armored rail car that took Lenin from Switzerland to Russia in order to start the Bolshevik Revolution.
-Pop singers are products of genetic breeding programs. My theory is that some record label already has tons of songs prewritten, but needs a meat puppet they own to perform them. So they buy the sperm, buy the eggs for the ideal-looking candidate, and rope in a poor, stupid couple into raising the child for 10 years to take care of them, take them to singing lessons, but intentionally not teach them any life-skills so the recording studio can own them for their lives.
-There are 2 industrial presses capable of the offset-printing necessary for printing $100 bills, and one went missing. The CIA is rumored to have one of them, and the CIA insists that North Korea is the one that has it.
-All stories about North Korea are actually intentional disinfo to make them think their government kept a famine a secret to them. All of them are fake. Read up on Operation Mockingbird.
-The issue of "specific localized knowledge" that Adam Smith theorized in his Wealth of Nations has actually been solved by sufficiently complex algorithms, but banks want to keep the general public from knowing this.
-The technological tree has already been mapped out by game theorists, and technology experts, and "pop" technology companies are only buying existing patents and technologies and fronting them to the general public.
-Another North Korea theory: The U.S. navy shoots down their missiles and tells the media that they fell into the Sea of Japan to humiliate them.
-Human migration never stopped, and is ongoing. World governments collude the general public from knowing about this, because they are wrestling with the problems in wrangling millions of moving people. It would otherwise undermine the invisible lines in between countries.
-The State Department has more sophisticated tools for influencing public opinion than the silly smaller experiments that were performed for MKULTRA. Theirs have more to do with the work of Edward Bernays.
-Khomeni was supported by foreign agents in his time in Paris, which is why Iran is now so suspicious of foreign agents.
-The world forex markets are actually rigged, and the credit that relies on them is fake.
-The UK government is intentionally throwing the Brexit negotiations. They want to hyperinflate the pound.
-News stories are staged, and often written ahead of time. The only spark of evidence I have of this is that only 2 days in 50 years have not had a single professional sports game played. One was a meaningless day in the early 00's, and the other was the day of Nixons resignation.
-The F-35 fighter jet was made ahead of schedule, and under budget. The news programs that complain about runaway costs are to distract foreign governments from the next-generation technologies that are being developed with the diverted funds.
-Pakistan is not an actual country. Thats why Afghanistan refuses to recognize the Durand Line, and why India is so hostile to a fake government that controls their land. There is no Farsi word for Pakistan, and the Persians named all the nations they conquered. There is a word for Arabia-Arabistan, and India-Hindustan. There is no word for Pakistan because it never existed independently before. It is a British creation.
-GreenPeace is funded by the coal industry to spread misinformation about nuclear power.
-The DSM is a tool of social control. Psychological drugs are being used to make the general public more compliant.
-There will be a "big reveal" in 1.5 years from now.
It was. They all seemed fairly reasonable to me. Except maybe the popstar one, which I still appreciate because it would make for a great episode of Black Mirror or something. Also meant as a compliment: you should consider writing if you don't already.
-The KGB never experimented with "remote viewing". They realized their memos were compromised, so they used that program to channel funds into better communication equipment, and to identify leaks.
-The people behind Wikileaks are intentionally exploiting the demographic divide between people who get their news primarily from the internet, and people who get it through traditional news media. They want younger, less wealthy people to distrust the government. Older, more employed people are more connected to the status quo.
I have dozens of these. I'm sure you do too.
Marthman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Soviet Union built the Caspian Sea Monster not for it to go over water, but for it to go over ice.
If it ever went into serial production it would have been used as a ferry for a Soviet invasion of Canada. Thats really the only place where Soviet, and U.S. logistics would be equally weak.
The Deep State and the wealthy control corporate media. They all have the same angles together to present the same narrative. All these different shows will parrot the exact same tag lines in order to get a message out there. They constantly have us bickering over issues in order to divide us. They blatantly distort the facts and have been caught doing it several times. They are there to try and make us believe what they want us to believe, not to report information.
Bifidus1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:54:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this even a conspiracy? Seems pretty much fact at this point.
Yeah, you ask me, that tidbit about the golden shower show was just to let Trump know they have tapes of god knows what horrible thing he actually did. Like, he would know just hearing that part, that it was the same night as the ____________ or whatever.
And to add, all this dirt was so the mafia could strong arm a real estate business man. When he became president it was a lucky break for the Russians.
Look at pictures of them together, especially when she was younger. Combine them with comments he's made about her, especially the sexual ones.
Watch his body language in some of the videos of them together, he's very possessive in his motions. Almost controlling.
The whole situation just creeps me out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are implying that russia even helped him in some way. Which hasnt been one real piece of evidence yet. Trump hasnt even done anything helpful for Putin. Sanctions on russia and expelling of diplomats. Whats in it for them?
Tons of reports are coming out the emails were a leak and not a hack.
Airway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don Jr. emails are damning evidence that Russia did help in some way.
Vpantha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes perfect sense. He was revolutionizing the way people were thinking. He messages were clear an for the common folk that it was causing a problem for controlled agendas everywhere. He did something many could not on was on his way to make a big concert to express his ideas even more (same with mj). He had to be stopped so people wouldnt coexist. Look back into history of the first world, any celebrity trying to bring people together somehow was "silenced".
I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, I'm saying I'd rather believe that he faked his own death to live out his days as a street musician, it's a happier ending. :)
Vpantha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton's payoff to not freak out over Lewinsky was a promise to make her president. To fulfill this promise later on, after losing the primary to Obama, Tim Kaine was pressured to stepp down as chairman of the DNC and recommend they put Wasserman (Hillary's campaign manager) in his place to ensure she wouldn't lose in the primary again by running it dirty. His payoff was to be her VP.
iampc93 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:12:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are very few if any sexy singles looking to fuck near me
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:12:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a shadow orginization running the US Governnent. If you apply game theory to politics you will realize there has to be an opponent moving pieces around. Every fake news story or presidential speech is planned by a third party that is orchestrating a carefully planned way to mantain power for key individuals, who are most likely participants of said orginization. Everyone is always saying "The New world order" but i think its very much an old order.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:05:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK - but I don't know who did it.
We will probably never know.
Why? He couldn't do the shooting and the final shot came from the right/front. Plus the massive coverup aftermath was just ridiculous.
There is a book about the kill shot coming from a M16 in the follow car by accident by secret service men that were forced to run that duty due to the regulars getting drunk. It's theorized the agent heard the shots and grabbed the rifle while standing up in the seat just as the driver floored it. The ballistics and angles make total sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a show on that - it seems ridiculous but plausible when you watch the show. The guy makes a pretty good case, but there was no entry wound in the back of his head - no evidence exists since the brain was "lost" and the xrays were "misplaced" or doctored.
I still say the final shot came from the front, and both John Connolly and his wife both insisted JFK was shot first till the day they died. Jackie can be seen trying to retrieve brain matter off the back trunk NOT in the front seat. The frangible bullet thing is totally plausible - but we will never know.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:17:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mandela effect. It seems pretty impossible that so many people will remember something a "wrong" way. Plus, we all seem to realize together that something is wrong with our memories
Our brains are old wet sacks of meat trying to conjure up childhood video and newsreels and crap. They're doing the best they can >_>
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get how we can see something such as a tweet and be easily influenced by it and think "hey, I remember that too!" But there's something about it that really intrigues me
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People's memories are notoriously unreliable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, and it's just the facts. What fascinates me, however, is how collectively we seem to have the SAME misconceptions
EDIT: and I also get how we can see something such as a tweet and be easily influenced by it and think "hey, I remember that too!" But there's something about it that really intrigues me
Corpusly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Captain Disillusion has a really interesting video on his youtube channel debunking this!
I believe there is a large astroid with our name on it. Nasa has known this for years. It's still far away. Too far for amateur astromoners to notice. Might be hundreds of years away. But it's coming.
Who says amateur astronomers haven't noticed? Heck, we've known about it for years. It's in the manual for most high-end telescopes. My 10" Schmidt-Cassegraine has more than a dozen "major extinction event" asteroids in its on-scope database. We don't bother telling people about it because it makes us feel superior, plus we want to get a head start on all the looting and rioting in the days leading up to Armageddon. If you ever see a bunch of neckbeards smashing store fronts and stealing massive amounts of redvine candy, just join in because you don't have much longer to live.
I know this one is true because I spoke with one of the designers but the internet regards it as a conspiracy theory. The De Havilland flying saucer. My Grandfather was an airplane engineer for De Havilland, the following is his account of the events, unfortunately, I never recorded this story before he passed away. On their lunch breaks, the engineers at De Havilland would make sketches for flying saucers, just for fun. One day a supervisor told them to stop screwing around on paper and build the damn thing. So they did, De Havilland built a flying saucer. It didn't work. It was terribly unstable when they tried to make it lift off the ground, it wobbled uncontrollably. If they wanted it to be stable it would either have to spin (which was not achievable at the time (1960s)) or have a tail fin, which would ruin the flying saucer idea. For whatever reason the internet thinks this is a top secret project, it's not, it was just a few engineers having some fun on they're lunch breaks. RIP Granddad.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:41:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loren Bouchard stole the idea for Bob's Burgers while online gaming. Back in 2009 I was playing COD with some friends and I said in these words, "I'm going to make a show that will be the new Family Guy. It'll be called Bob's Burgers. I'll pitch it to Fox. It'll be about a family in New York who owns a restaurant". Odds are it's probably just one of those crazy coincidences but who knows.
Yes, it was MW2 on PS3. Back then my friends and I would always play online and mostly just say funny shit to each other more so than focus on playing.
976chip ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:01:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Chappaquiddick Incident was engineered to destroy Teddy Kennedy's chance of running for president. It would have been too suspicious to outright kill him, since John and Bobby had both been murdered, so "they" resorted to character assassination.
FBI assassinated MLK. It was just after MLK started advocating socialism, and cointelpro was aimed primarily at basically killing or otherwise silencing socialists. We know they killed a couple of other activists, mainly in the BPP. Also, Kings family was confident it was the government and even supported the "framed" assassin against the charges.
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the King family won a civil suit proving exactly that.
lorosyp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:41:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit exists primarily as a paid tool to push website traffic. It's owned by a billion dollar media company and I don't see Reddit Gold as being enough to pay for servers, staff, rent, utilities, accountants, lawyers
Rundle_1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:06:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe to get anywhere in life you need to be rich, and to get rich you need to start of with crap ton and rich people decide who gets crap tons.
Jan-Sch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorts by controversial
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:39:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The German government purposefully stops people from attempting to find mass graves from WW2
A few years ago my friends father attempted to uncover the bodies of 54 Jewish women and children who were 'caught up to' by Germans while fleeing from Germany.
A few days after he set out to start digging the German government told him that the site had already been uncovered. And denied him access to dig.
A few stories like this have popped up over the years about people trying to find mass graves only to be blocked by the German government. Even after obtaining digging permission
JGFishe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:45:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC.
A "botched mugging" where nothing of monetary value was stolen.
Seth was awake and talking to the police, then somehow goes into critical condition in the hospital and subsequently dies.
A John Podesta email that says something to the effect of, "I'd be willing to make an example out of a leaker." (Seth Rich leaked the emails, there was no DNC hack. Julian Assange has all but out-right stated that Seth was the leaker.)
Pylons ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A "botched mugging" where nothing of monetary value was stolen.
Yeah, that's why it was botched.
JGFishe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They would have at least stolen something, anything. Watch, phone, wallet, keys, whatever.
If the whole idea of a mugging is to go up to a person and steal their shit (hopefully with no intention of killing them), if they were forced into the situation of killing their victim, they would still take some stuff with them.
You think it's more likely that a professional hit person wouldn't take anything if they were trying to pass it off as a mugging or that a failed mugger would panic and flee the scene as soon as possible after shooting someone?
JGFishe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that it if was a mugging, or supposed to look like a mugging, something would have been taken (watch, phone, keys, wallet, etc.)
"I'd be willing to make an example out of a leaker."
Ok, but this makes no sense to me. First of all that email is two years old so it can absolutely not refer to Rich. Secondly, the context makes it explicitly clear who he is talking about and what the consequences are. He specifically mentions firing/not hiring any leakers not murdering. Murder in the context is of that email is absolutely ridiculous. Also no one would admit to that in an email sent to anyone else especially when people are leaking those. Thirdly, how would a murder that's covered up make an example out of anyone? Especially when this conspiracy relies on the DNC attempting to blame Russia? According to the conspiracy the DNC did not want anyone to know it was Rich and that's why they murdered him instead of firing/prosecuting him. But if you cover up the murder to look like an attempted robbery the only thing people are warned about is a possible robbery. So should or shouldn't people know the DNC kills people?
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:35:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
7/11 was an inside job
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:04:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*part time job
bens111 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:58:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women's pants don't have usable pockets in order to increase purse sales
I consider the urban legend of aliens at Area 51 truly dead and buried, since Trump became President. No way could he keep a secret like that. He would have tweeted it out accidentally a 2am months ago
9/11 was an inside job. Why? Because Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Maine, and all the other convenient events that led the US into wars where US corporations made lots of money through annexation of territory or securing mineral rights, i.e., all of them.
Cody667 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:08:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've either already cured or are extremely close to curing the likes of Cancer, AIDS, and even the Common Cold, but Western pharmaceutical companies, American health care providers, and Insurance companies would all go under, resulting in hundreds of thousands of lost jobs and hundreds of billions of lost dollars if any of said cures/research ever got out.
Aids may be, but cancer and the common cold aren't just one illness, there's thousands of different cold viruses that would all need a slightly different cure and they are constantly evolving so even if a cure was found it wouldn't work for long. And with cancer there's a different cancer for pretty much every type of tissue in the body, all would need a different treatment method, also due to the fact it's actually your own cells that are the problem it's incredibly difficult to treat.
Big Pharma has a cure for cancer but it would put them out of business. Easier to have people continue in their expensive treatments indefinitely.
addysol ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:20:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Osama Bin Laden wasn't killed by a SEAL team he died years ago in an airstrike.
Why? Because he conveintly got thrown into the ocean a few hours after the killed him and no one took photos, not a one. Fuckin Saddam Hussein's execution was televised and we don't have one photo of this other arsehole with a rifle lobotomy?
Anndgrim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:41:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadam Hussein was arrested, not killed in a dark op.
Islam demands bodies be processed extremely fast.
The military is not in the habit of sharing gruesome pictures of those they kill.
911 deniers are like religious extremists, no amount of clear truth or reality can change their faulted beliefs.
Vufur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:41:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it depends, I'm actually sure that some people were aware of the threat and somehow kept it for themselfes to make money with it. Don't know how high it goes tho.
I was watching a documentary about don't ask don't tell. Apparently in like 1998ish 60% of our intelligence analysts who spoke Arabic got fired under don't ask don't tell.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:36:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
American slavery never ended. The old method was just obsolete. Instead they outlawed slavery, except for prisoners. That was the loophole to continue slavery. The old method was also too obvious and people rebel when they know they're slaves. However if you focused on criminals, people have a defeatist attitude and blame themselves. This makes the government be all, "you fucked up with your own bad decisions" and the prisoners is just a dumbass, not a slave. That's how they paint it, even though the government and private companies want to put more and more people in prisons for cheap labor. That's why prisoners in America are about the same numbers as when slaves existed. Plus the average American doesn't give a shit because the majority of people are not even wanted here (Blacks, Mexicans, illegal immigrants, poor white trash).
Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)
Section 1
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Celebrities/other people getting brainwashed using MKULTRA style tactics, or other kinds of brainwashing/manipulation. I don't think the government or any huge group is necessarily behind this one, but just that since info on potential ways to control a person is out there, someone's using it to their advantage so they have an easier time dealing with whoever they're working with. Could be a celebrity's manager, could be a pimp, could be someone's significant other, or a parent trying to mold children to their idea of a perfect child.
I don't really buy the mass media brainwashing the public stuff though. If some worldwide conglomerate is behind it all, I don't know and I can only care so much as a mostly powerless citizen. My mom always told me that not everything I see on TV or read about is necessarily true and if something strikes me the wrong way, I don't have to believe a word of it beyond a semi-functional framework of the information other people know. Overall I try to look out for my and people's safety, have a decent life, and most importantly have a plan to be polite to everyone I meet. Including people way deeper into these theories than me.
Y'know all those "Identify the narcissist in your life. Here's 7 signs!" clickbait articles floating around. I bet lots of narcissists are reading them and figuring out how to refute those arguments. Only semi-related, I know, just food for thought I guess.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:11:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Celebrities/other people getting brainwashed using MKULTRA style tactics,
In this case the brainwashing is (allegedly) to make them more complacent. Everyone has a brain, can't be smart or stupid without one. :P
Ragepoon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:28:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only problem with all the more serious conspiracy theories is that they would involve dozens if not hundreds of people in order to cover them up and surely of those multiple people one would have come forward to expose the truth of a conspiracy, especially the older ones. Human's are generally terrible at taking secrets to the grave.
KA1N3R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah, this is basically why most conspiracy theories are just theories.
It's the 'great filter' of conspiracy theories.
Borneo3 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:08:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government was involved in some way to the events that happened on 9/11.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:16:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK was killed by the Secret Service.
I forgot where I heard this, it was either through Reddit or it was stuff they don't want you to know (or car stuff)
But the gist of it was, the first bullet was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald when everyone was freaking out trying to find the shooter a secret service agent who was standing in the correct approximate position holding a gun that would shoot a round that would do that kind of damage, shot up towards the general vicinity of where Lee Harvey Oswald was, which by the way is the same general vicinity where JFK's head was.
So this agent accidentally shot JFK, and the secret service covered it up because... Well accidents happen (expecially in fire fights) and they already had Lee Harvey Oswald.
Lyndon Johnson said that he did not trust the Secret Service after that event.
The Titanic was not the ship that sank. It was the sister ship the Britannica. The Britannica was damaged ( I think it collided with another ship) and was in the same dry dock the titanic was getting finished in and they used some materials for the titanic to repair. White line realized the cost would be too high to completely repair it so they switched the names and all equipment that had names and they let it sink for insurance money. The insurance was purchased two weeks before it launched and had a $5 million payout.
Even though the ship's looked very close to each other there was a difference in the space between the Windows and pictures of the titanic when it launched compared to pictures of the Britannica before and after don't line up right.
He was clearly a Bernie supporter and was prepared to inform Wikileaks of the collusion between the DNC and the Clinton campaign.
He was then murdered in a "robbery" that resulted in nothing being stolen.
As was a woman he was meeting with who was believed to give him Julian Assange's contact info.
Both were killed in "robberies" in which nothing was stolen, as they were about to blow the whistle on a conspiracy to put Clinton in the White House.
Show me the list then. Most of the ones I've seen floating around the internet include people who never actually existed, or even people who aren't dead.
Apparently no settlement but they found the evidence compelling enough to retract the story as the quotes used to back the story are proven to have been fabricated. What's more, Spicer met with Butowski and Wheeler three weeks before it broke. Fake news. Sad! Wheeler was even told such by execs at Fox that broke the story.
Remember W's military records? Release a fake though pretty accurate document, discredit the journalist and kill his career, no one touches the story ever again. Disinfo 101.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way fox handled it was made up but the actual fact he was killed and considered the leaker isnt.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:15:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fox didn't make the story up. People have been speculating that since last summer, way before fox ever even mentioned it.
My concern with this is that Julian Assange made open claims about Seth Rich being his source.
Fox News may have retracted the story, but Julian Assange still claimed that Seth Rich was his source and, as far as I know, never retracted his statement.
Seth Rich had a link to Wikileaks. While Fox News may no longer be saying so, the head of Wikileaks continues to say so.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assange never made "open claims" so much as he did a wink and a nudge to get conspiracy nutters to think he was supporting them. In the end, Assange is incredibly anti-West, and anything that helps Russia is going to be something he does.
I don't trust Assange at all. I like to believe he had a noble goal at one point, but that has long faded. The man has a political agenda, and he's using his platform and community he built with trust to push that agenda.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Julian Assange used to have a regular show on Russia Today. His agenda is quite clear.
T9x978 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:10:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. He was assassinated, not murdered. Zero doubt in my mind about that, and the fog around him and everything just helps draw the same conclusion
I always see people say he was clearly a Bernie supporter but never any evidence for it. Someone tried to link a Bernie Twitter page to him but then retracted their statement when they realised they messed up. The Twitter page also made a statement after people started going over it thinking it was Rich's. Most of the time the evidence he was a Bernie supporter is that people say that gives him motive to leak, but then say he leaked because he was a Bernie supporter. It's circular logic. Also his parents said he had just taken a job with the Clinton campaign which he was really happy about.
Also I don't really see how nothing being taken is evidence it couldn't have been a robbery. There were 4 reports in the month before Rich died about 2 men robbing people at gun point, most of them only streets over from where Rich died. The police reportedly have a video of 2 men walking in Rich's direction around the time he died. His watch had been ripped off and he showed signs of defensive wounds. There was also gunshot detectors in the area that would be sending police there the second the trigger was pulled. Personally putting all this together I think he refused the robbers, a fight broke out, a shot went off, and then the robbers panicked and ran.
It's easy in hindsight to say "something would be taken in a robbery" but I think people forget that robbers are still humans. Pulling a trigger is one thing. Taking possessions off someone while they lay bleeding in the street, likely pleading for help, while you know the police are on their way as you go over the body is another thing all together.
Qulijah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:24:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK he had a reddit account that was pretty active in the Bernie-subreddit. Someone went and edited his posts and stuff aswell. Very, very fishy.
I remember his account being found (it was Grimlock45 or something similar to that), but nothing political was found on it except 1 post in politics where he just complained about a sensationalised and edited headline. IIRC most of the stuff that was removed were things that revealed his identity, like pictures of him and details about where he lived. Most likely by Admins to prevent doxing or something similar.
Qulijah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All good! A lot of info gets thrown around about this so sometimes it's hard to keep track of all of it. Honestly I only skimmed over his account when it was first found, so I could be wrong here, but after spending a lot of time on r/conspiracy I haven't really heard people say he posted Bernie stuff so that's also what I'm going off here.
Everything you said here is absolutely correct. Bloomingdale was experiencing a mini-crime wave due in part to DC Water blocking First St past Rhode Island Ave, and refusing to light the area properly. This meant that the two robbers would wait at blind spots late at night to jump drunks on their way home. Not victim blaming, just calling out who's an easier target.
Well, unfortunately Seth ended up being that drunk they jumped after going from his favorite spot to one that's known for being a shitshow. After stumbling his way home while distracting himself with a phone call to his gf, he was drunk enough to fight back instead of handing over his stuff.
"And in other news, an internet forum user by the name of /u/KelevraBlack was found dead in his home with two self-inflicted .50 caliber gunshots wounds to the back of the head"
KA1N3R ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's far more likely that Seth Rich actually did leak the E-Mails, but the Kremlin had him murdered to tie up loose ends. Evidence would be that WikiLeaks is basically a russian Intelligence operation.
There is literally no proof that he was a Bernie supporter. No one in his family claimed he was but has talked about him being excited to work for Hillary. The only 'proof' people have is that there was a pro-Brenie twitter account that had a similar name but that has been proven not to be his.
Also what hitman wouldn't even finish the job in killing him? He lived for hours after he was shot. When you need to pick between a lousy robber or a lousy hitman it's far more likely that a robber got scared and ran. And some stuff was missing and his watch had marks showing they tried to rip it off.
And another big thing. The leak was weeks after his death. How did they know he was the leaker and how were they sure he was going to leak things. They could have easily just fired him or turned him without any damage being done.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 00:37:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first of all, relax - it's a thread about conspiracy theories.
secondly, to add to the theory - several former intelligence analysts have performed their own independent review of the metadata of the files that Guccifer 2.0 provided, and they believe that the person who released those files had local access to them, i.e. it was not someone in Russia hacking, it was someone in Washington who had physical access to the disk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The metadata thing relies on no one copying the files locally at any time after the documents were leaked, because that's an opportunity for the metadata to be overwritten.
What's more likely is that someone hacked the DNC on Russian orders, copied the files to a USB drive, and handed it to their point of contact to leak it.
Which is fine. Use these as an opportunity to educated and provide sources to back you up.
Don't be a douche to people who may not have updated info.
That won't change minds or make anyone more intelligent. It serves no purpose.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia was involved in the US election, but not just to put Trump in power. To them, who didn't matter - they gave dirt on both sides to either candidate, alongside blackmailing the candidates. Both Clinton and Trump were manipulated by Russia.
I've never heard this dudes theory before, but if I had to guess it would be to create this political insanity we have going on right now. Everyone is so focused on blaming each other for everything we aren't actually getting anything done.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the jobs of Russian intelligence operatives today is to spread distrust for our democracy, so no matter what happens the citizens will trust the system less
KA1N3R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They wanted to weaken the presidency of the next US president.
A Trump presidency or a 'bloodied' Clinton presidency would achieve that.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:41:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The MSM is against you and is giving you a false narrative that goes along with what the deep state wants to do. Whether Trump is for or against it he's powerless to stop the deep state. You are as we speak being brain-washed by the news.
I was watching some local news station criticism of trump today on race and they talked a bunch of crap for a two minutes and then the news guy asked some "trump defensive - what if questions" but then the same guests responded with just the same bs they just said... It seemed to me that they were just pretending to give voice the other side so that the anti-trump guests could just talk more bs another two minutes. It was a one sided debate. I don't watch tv, I walked by it...
I don't have a specific "theory" about it that I think is true other than that I think there's a lot more to 9/11 than was acknowledged by the US state organizations. Why is it so unimaginable that some actor managed to get explosives in the buildings? (state intelligence agency, "rogue" group of people who would benefit from dragging america into middle eastern wars backed by the wealthy hobgoblins who made hundreds of billions off the wars for their corporations, pakistani ISI, whoever the fuck)? What's so unimaginable or crazy about that? If you bring up anything other than "well idk planes hit shit and it fell down", you're suddenly a mad-hatter conspiracy theorist who thinks George W. Bush brought down the towers personally, when in reality there are about a trillion other options/explanations. Really doesn't seem very far-fetched to me. Lots of very suspicious financial fraud evidence disappeared when those buildings went down, from both government organizations quartered in Building 7 and trading companies in the towers. There's so much suspicious stuff surrounding it that makes the whole 'ah well it was just a small group of angry muslims' explanation seem nonsensical. In the 9 months prior to 9/11, there was 'elevator modernization' work going on in the WTC complex and a private company had access to all the buildings, maybe something was set up then.
Those buildings shouldn't have come down the way they did without demolition charges. Look at those buildings, specifically building 7, even Dr. Shyam Sunder, head of NIST's investigation of the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9/11, when asked why WTC 7 collapsed, said: 'Truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.' It didn't "weaken and twist and collapse" like NIST's inadequate model shows, it came down into it's own footprint in moments, when suddenly, out of nowhere, the entire structure symmetrically lost all support at the same time? How is that even a possibility from office fires? A few column failures can't cause a synchronized global collapse. How does that make sense to any rational person? Building 7 wasn't hit by any airplanes, and yet somehow it came down in exactly the same way the other two did? The building comes down in a total symmetrical collapse, how is that possible without demolitions charges? If there's fire or something and a portion of the structural support weakens, it twists and causes damage and portions of the building might fall off, sag, or topple over, maybe a portion falls in on itself and you get a wrecked building, but a total symmetrical collapse of a building like that into its own footprint that takes place in seconds is something that requires professional demolitions experts. Then on the one hand you have NIST saying they 'found no evidence for explosives in the buildings', and in another paragraph of a NIST report they say they didn't look for evidence of explosives residue. That's not how science works. That's how cover-ups work. NIST didn't follow professional or scientific standards in their investigations - they're the "national institution of standards and technology", yet they didn't follow national standards in 'fire damage investigations' or structural failure investigations. There were explosions on video, we have witnesses to explosions, we have audio of explosions right before the towers started falling down, there's overwhelming evidence for the existence of explosives - 3,000 americans were murdered and the first 3 high-rise steel buildings collapsing from fire happened, and they didn't even really investigate it. Preservation of evidence is a basic standard and the evidence was all almost immediately destroyed.
It's obvious to people who have brains can see that there's more to the story, like for instance demolition experts with decades of experience who, when shown the video of WTC Building 7 coming down without being told what he's looking at and asked what his estimation of the event was, responds "this was a hired job, performed by a team of experts, no question. it starts at the bottom and comes down from the top, they blew the columns and it comes down" and "It's a professional job, without a doubt, they knew exactly what they were doing", and academicians/scientists like the late Carl Sagan's wife, Lynn Margulis, who is a professor at the University of Massachusetts, is a 'crazy 9/11 conspiracy theorist'. People with brains and experience/degrees see that something is obviously wrong with the story we were told. I think any reasonable person who gets over the psychological stigma of "being a conspiracy theorist" and actually looks into it will inevitably come away convinced of the same thing. The world isn't as simple as 'good guys and bad guys' / 'terrorists and freedom', the world is a web of states, organizations, interest groups within those states and agencies, and people willing to kill to further their own ends, doesn't matter how many people die. Complexity and organization is something human beings are perfectly capable of, take a peak at any city to find out how smart people are - so the suggestion that it would simply be too difficult to manage a 'conspiracy' like that is ludicrous. The argument "oh well someone would have blown the whistle" doesn't hold any water either because no one believes anyone who tries to call it a conspiracy that involved anything more than some angry arabs, and if this were to have been pulled off by a more sophisticated actor/organization, they'd be perfectly capable of monitoring their people using security officers (just like defense contractors and governments do) and killing or imprisoning anyone who tried to go 'off side' or spill the beans. Even if someone involved tried to blow the whistle, the entire media would act concertedly to ignore them. We all know that.
That doesn't necessarily imply "george bush did it", lol, it means there's more to the whole story than meets the eye, there may have been more actors involved than we were told and that was kept secret beause it wasn't convenient or simple enough for the public to digest, and the event was quickly taken advantage of and spun in the simplest way it could be to be used for the implementation of policy that the people in power already wanted to implement because they thought it was best for America. Doesn't mean "da gubbermint did 9/11", but there are so many indications that there's a whole lot more to the story of 9/11 than what the politicians told us. Politicians lie. Anybody at NIST who didn't support the politicians lies would have been tossed out and called crazy anyway, losing their careers, reputations, etc. NIST basically made up a brand new never-imagined-before version of structural failure to "sort of" explain away what happened to Building 7, but just watching their presentation about it, you can tell that even the guy explaining it is sort of just trying to get through it and knows it's not a very good explanation. Someone told them to investigate and come up with some answers, so they did, but they had to do it within the framework of an official story that dictated what their conclusions needed to be before the study was conducted and that study doesn't actually take all the data/evidence into account. It wasn't done scientifically.
The evidence was immediately destroyed, rather than being studied all the steel was picked up and shipped to China for scrapping. There were also other reports about explosives in trucks at the Washington Bridge, and they were found in places that would have caused major damage to US infrastructure - like ones that would have cut some major stock market/finance communications connectivity infrastructure. One of these trucks actually had a mural painted on it with an airplane being flown into the twin towers. Just google it, it exists, it was found by police, people were arrested (and held for months, questioned by the FBI, and eventually expelled from the country without being tried for anything, curiously). Having looked into it myself out of curiosity just to understand what all the different sides believe, I can't really imagine how anyone could believe the official story as is, without thinking there's more to it.
This is a mass murder that precipitated even greater mass murders and changed the course of world history, and it wasn't even properly investigated - oh, and you're not even supposed to talk about it, otherwise you're ridiculed as crazy. Doesn't matter how obviously rational your reservations are. Something is wrong here. Meanwhile everyone is busy whining about a reality TV star president and the KKK killing a single person at a protest. The US is in a very precarious political position.
Parts of 9/11 just dont add up.... if they do then the US defence strategy at the time and preparation for an act of terror on that scale using that method was terrible.
DLTMIAR ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:06:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simulated reality. The odds are not in our favor that we are/will be the first
Almost all aspects of our lives are ultimately controlled by the ultra rich, who essentially buy laws they want. I don't think it is malicious beyond relieving us of most of our incomes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:23:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am resolutely convinced that Donald Trump was paid a comically large sum of money by Hillary Clinton to be a joke candidate to distract the republicans- but that when he got an actual following he refused to back off and give her the win.
Everyone I mention this to tells me I'm wrong, but I still can't shake the idea from my head.
Tupac is not dead. I really know nothing about the whole deal EXCEPT that I waited on him at a ski resort in northern Michigan in 2000.
A whole crew of folks, 10+, came in at 1 a.m., they weren't staying at the resort (trust me, in that area we'd all know if a large group of black people were on property, sad as that is to say). They commenced to order about $3000 worth of Dom and Remy and were super chill.
About five minutes before they all left, (they were only there for about a half hour) he walked in. I'll never forget the fur lined hood on his knee length puffer...and clearly he (quietly) led the group. I instantly thought it was him, something about the person's energy...
I looked up height and weight the next day to try to convince myself I was imagining it. They correlated.
Never ever will anyone convince me I didn't lay eyes Tupac that night.
This is Vault 7 - a leak of known hacking tools available to the FBI. Among them is the ability to falsely plant forensic evidence that would suggest a different hacking tool (such as, one employed by a foreign government).
The evidence for the "Russia hacked the DNC" claim was exclusively based on computer forensics that the FBI knows can be faked. What's even better, with some of the dates in the Vault 7 data, it is certain that the FBI had knowledge of this counter-espionage tactic on or before the day the FBI Director announced publicly that their intel pointed to Russia.
This doesn't necessarily mean Seth Rich leaked the DNC documents, but it shows the FBI mislead the public with their report.
Devil's advocate: The FBI might have a good reason to lie. If the existence of such counter-espionage technology was not thought to be known to foreign governments, the FBI couldn't make a public announcement based on its existence. Still a conspiracy.
To that last part - no. In fact I think the white house might have their hands tied. It's a matter of international intelligence - there is probably a lot about the story the public can and will never know
Just because you ignore or don't know something doesn't make it wrong. Instead of trying to play the "my opinions better than yours game," why don't you try actually researching these things?
The conspiracy theory is that they're being silenced. If you do a little searching, you'll see that many of the family member's statements on social media have contradicted the spokesman's statements.
It seems like the word "conspiracy" has taken a completely different meaning in recent years.
KA1N3R ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:21:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's far more likely that Seth Rich actually did leak the E-Mails, but the Kremlin had him murdered to tie up loose ends. Evidence would be that WikiLeaks is basically a russian Intelligence operation.
Would absolutely fit Russia's modus operandi.
b_port ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, the only reason you're being downvoted is because these people want to believe the Clinton's were behind it. Both theories are equally ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing you can about this whether you are you are on social media or not. My wife does development and qa for a company that specializes and capitalizes on this.
It not what you are doing, its what the people around you are doing. Example, let's say 5 of your coworkers go to lunch at a near by TGI Fridays and you stay behind. 4 of the 5 have location services enabled. 2 of the 5 check into the restaurant when they arrive. They eat, pay, and return to the office.
You forget your location services were running for the past week. Online marketing now knows where you work. Where you live, where you coworkers work and live. At this point there is a good possibility that you will start receiving ads for TGI Fridays from them just being there earlier and then being withing close proximity of you.
The government created Lyme disease. It appeared in Lyme Connecticut for the first time in recorded history just a few miles from where the government does biological warfare experiments (Plum Island in the Long Island Sound)
Mseevers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Star Wars episode of the Muppet Show is the reason Frank Oz was chosen to play Yoda in Empire.
Marilyn Monroe was too close to too many powerful people, and it was way too easy to make her death look like an accident. Sorta the same for Diana, but Monroe, definitely.
93devil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan was kicked out of the NBA for gambling and his dad was killed dues to his gambling.
DerfK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Harvard's directory did not incorrectly list Anthony Scaramucci as dead. He is in fact dead, and the person Trump hired was a Russian plant that had stolen his identity.
Probably a bit too late, but I believe that government is behind the huge increase in incest porn, so that they can use it as blackmail against future candidates they don't like
Turing was assassinated by the British government. They knew he resented them - they were chemically castrating him, after all. They also knew that therapy made him further unbalanced. In the wake of Cold War eacalation they figured he was a volatile loose thread that needed containing.
I believe every conspiracy is really true but the real conspiracy is they make us all look crazy to think about this shit which enables the government to do whatever they want in plain sight with immense power to discredit the public by just calling us conspiracy theorists.
All of the internet companies got to get her and divided up the United States so they were not directly competing with each other but still look like they are so they can still effectively have a monopoly on the internet to provide low quality products at outrageous prices and give shitty customer service because there is no where else to go.
Sometimes I wonder if the politicians of the two US parties really aren't rivals but work together to keep all of their jobs and purposefully create animosity between the parties to keep themselves relevant and in the news.
Bohemian Grove is a site where the nations top elites gather to discuss major war, political, and economical decisions that will be rigged to look like the American civilians some kind of choice in the nation's path. I don't buy that former/present/future presidents, A-listers, elite politicians, and social influencers gather every year for 2 weeks in some random ass isolated forest in California to drink and talk about sports.
Sanhael ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:49:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By most estimates, we hit our modern physical form ~2-300,000 years ago, a figure that may be set for a dramatic push back. Mentally speaking, we had most of our capacity at that time, but certain specific functions had not evolved. It's believed that you could go back between 50,000 and 70,000 years if you wanted to find a child who could, say, be abducted to the present day, and raised without anybody noticing anything particularly odd.
I don't believe in "ancient aliens." I do believe that there were ancient civilizations, and people crossing the globe, even trading, tens of thousands of years earlier than what the mainstream viewpoint currently accepts. We can't go a week without finding evidence of something having happened thousands of years earlier than we thought it did, but the broad figures haven't changed in years.
If those are our only options, then modern humans simply stopped innovating and developing -- in every sense -- for tens of thousands of years at some point (given the supposed close proximity of writing, farming, and city building). Only the point at which that happened would change.
I have a 4-year-old niece who got her first set of building blocks when she was 2; it included rounded pieces. She promptly made a wheel. The entire human race, depending upon innovation for its day-to-day survival: tens of thousands of years; my niece: ~30 seconds? Nobody showed her how to make a wheel. There was no picture of it. It doesn't add up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At age two she would have seen a wheel before though, surely. Making something youโve seen before is a lot easier than coming up with the idea
I believe that Trump wants to bring about climate change reform and is just pretending to be against it so the country will really behind it.
gojaejin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that it counts as a "conspiracy theory" (perhaps more like the opposite), but I'm sure that Amanda Knox is innocent and that Italian authorities pursued the case out of cynical political motives.
I know this mostly because I trust physical evidence far more than people's intuitions and stereotypes about other people.
Brad Maddox was going to get released by WWE simply because they didn't have anything to do for him, and they used his "cocky pricks" promo as a lame excuse for doing so
Pescados ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:25:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was in a small, but big enough way, an inside job. My apologies if I'm touching a sensitive subject or make an insulting statement. I only hold this suspicion still after all these years because I don't understand how it could have happened, while also hearing arguments that American fighterjets could be present in a matter of minutes anywhere in their country's airspace? Was it not possible to shoot it down after determining its direction?
AdamGo86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:36:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fairly certain LSD was criminalised to reduce its radicalising impact on left wing politics: not for public health reasons.
This makes it a kind of mass-mind control operation: where people are denied access to neurological states and their correlating experiences, purely for political reasons.
I dont know if it's necessarily a conspiracy.. but there's no way we are the only ones in the universe. Let's say were the only planet in our entire galaxy even (which is a stretch with something like 30 billion planets in our galaxy) there's still over 100 BILLION galaxies out there... There's just no way. If God did make the earth to make us in his image what exactly was the point of making the other 3 septillian (or some shit math is hard) planets? just for fun? I will never be convinced that there's not some guardians of the galaxy level planets out there, all different species and races with different forms of currency. Hell our planet may be the laughing stock of the galaxy because we're the last one to learn how to travel to other planets to meet up.
US Politics are rigged. The whole system in big elections is rigged to have loop holes when needed. Political parties are built to keep you confined to one mindset. It's easier when you have a team to root for. Money controls US politics. I mean the fact that people scream on Reddit "The left!! Or "The right!!" Is pretty good evidence of the problem. You can't come together and solve the actual problems.
It didn't used to be like this, in the 90s newt Gingrich made a few changes ( for example stopping freshman senators and representatives from living in DC and being able to socialise with each other, as well as getting rid of all of the inductions and training provided to remind them that they are there to serve their constituents.... it's a million times easier to hate the other party when your wife is not inviting the wife of the senator from the neighbouring state over for a barbecue every weekend )
To explain: when people die, their blood flows to the bottom-most part of their body, which causes a discoloration and bruising of the skin known as lividity. She was found nude, laying in bed on her stomach, but her back had some lividity; in other words, when she died, she'd been laying on her back for some time... which indicates that she was moved after being discovered, despite witness claims that she'd been left untouched after being found.
One of the more reasonable theories I've heard is that both her personal doctor and psychiatrist each gave her a dose of sedatives on her last night, and, in a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing, the combined dosage proved to be lethal. When one (or both) of them realized their combined mistake, they rearranged things to make it appear as if she'd committed suicide in order to save their career(s).
Beyonce did not give birth to her first child as she was unable to concieve and used a surrogate. There were barely any photos of her pregnancy. Equally, if she was unable to concieve the first time round and then used IVF, the chances of have multiple births (twins, which she does now) would be really high.
Microsoft and paper companies, and maybe printer companies are in cahoots. There is 0% need for the default margins in Word to be as wide as they are, they do it so you use more paper. The print companies might be in on it too, mainly because printers are printing more than they need to be thus shortening their life.
This is less a conspiracy theory and more a personal belief fuelled by paranoia.
9-11 wasn't an "inside job" but the government absolutely saw a terrorist attack coming. They chose to allow it to happen so they would have a "Pearl Harbor-like event" to rally Americans to go to war. Read the Project for a New American Century. It's chilling.
I don't think that William Shakespeare actually wrote all of the works attributed to him. I believe the conspiracy theory that they were actually written and/or commissioned by Sir Francis Bacon. There are some really great explanations of this online.
The government of the USA using misinformation mixed with fact about the existence of extraterrestrial life, spacecraft, and technology on Earth. There is little reason to hide this anymore.
organic produce is no better and not even objectively different from conventional produce. it's a niche product that they can charge more for, that's it.
I believe that the purse industry and the women's pants industry are working todether. I think they are making womens pockets smaller so they can make purses more expensive because they are in a higher demand
I believe we have been to the moon, but the footage, the Shining references, all of the theories, and the need to beat the Russians (thus faking it) I sincerely think it was faked to improve US morale.
Aliens are real and there isn't a shred of doubt to me.
To think in a universe of this scale, with millions of planets, that we're the only species that has gotten to this level is completely naive.
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real , yes.
Visited here. no.
Its a pretty simple answer to the question have we been visited.
We're still here.
If / When they show, we will all know it. It won't be a single small crewed vehicle.
It will be a massive object. To cross the void between stars will require so much energy and time. Most likely first knowledge contact will be when they come inside the kuiper belt and start decelerating. Meaning most likely they will be firing their engines towards us to slow down. Remember, they can travel between the stars. What can we offer besides being food or labor to civilization of that power level.
Don't count on an altruistic species either.
We witness the might makes right strategy throughout most all species on earth. Why should the rest of the universe really be any different.
You don't tend to survive as a species that can cross the stars if you still subscribe to might makes right. We've come ridiculously close to ending ourself with nuclear weapons on way too many occasions, and have not yet nearly climbed far enough up our tech tree to attempt an interstellar crossing.
I'm late to the circle jerk, but I believe that Trump is purposely making himself the bad guy so he can give Democrats and Republicans a common enemy. Think about it; as soon as he pulled out of the Paris deal, most of the country rallyed around support for climate change. Now, he's doing the same thing with Neo Nazis and White Nationalists. Trump is just using reverse psychology to get what he wants- and its working.
jnb64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could believe that. But it's far more plausible that he's just THAT insane of an egomaniac.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bin Laden ain't dead. We spent over 10 years and an insane amount of money, bodies, resources to finally capture him and we toss him off a boat in the ocean?
Bonk_EU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
instead you keep him hidden and tell nobody? what for. its not like the guy knows the coca-cola formula or something
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:23:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New conspiracy: Bin Laden knows the coca cola formula which is why Bush wanted to catch him
Bonk_EU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:13:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im in :D
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porn industry fucking with people's minds
jnb64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:54 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what way? Just by existing, or do you posit some kind of subliminal messages or mind-control or something?
Not sure if this counts, but the reason that the Berenstein Bears books now all say "Berenstain Bears" is because I now exist in a slightly different/alternative reality from the one I grew up in. It sounds ridiculous but that whole thing solidified the idea of parallel universes and alternate realities for me.
That Big Oil and Big Auto fight tooth and nail against public transportation and alternative energy cars, and still will even despite countries like France vowing to outlaw them. (And you just know they'll look to the Americas and say "Guess what guys! More petroleum for you!" when it takes effect.)
This is widely accepted as true. The automotive industry fought tooth and nail to replace the early American streetcar system with buses. The major automotive manufacturers got up to some pretty shady shit, in order to stifle electric streetcars and anything else that could hurt their profits. Their actions even influenced the future layout of cities (less walkable, more driving).
That's how we have been getting the presidents we have had for the last 50 years prolly. The reason Trump is so hated is because he wasn't planned to be the next president. It was supposed to be Hillary no matter what, but she was so hated that it didn't work, even with all the tricks they tried to pull Trump still won.
I genuinely believe that the 3 WTC buildings were demolished by explosives and did not collapse as the result of planes or a furnace. I believe this because of compelling arguments from physicists.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:11:26 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apple updating older devices to make them run slower. Because, well, after the update they run slower.
Update: Anyone there?
Help-em ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:23:20 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Idea that the reason we have to do the Iโm not a robot thing on websites is a government tactic at taking down an unstoppable AI which has been kept under wraps because they also know we canโt win
I believe that Marilyn Monroe was murdered, Iโve seen documentaries surrounding her death and it feels like everyone who dies in Hollywood is inexplicably linked to drugs or mental health issues, which Iโm not saying that those arenโt plausible theories but the information surrounding her death just doesnโt add up to me. It seems overly excessive.
"They" are sneaking in fake conspiracy theories...stupid ones, at that...to make other conspiracy theories seem crazy and stupid by association.
Trouble is these fake ones start picking up some dumbasses who believe them to be true and the fake theories gain some traction...and then people don't know what to believe and what not to believe.
Allow me to help folks out with some common ones.
REAL -
9/11 -
The twin towers and WTC 7 were controlled implosion demolitions done by bombs planted in all the support beams. They look too much like known controlled implosion demolitions not to be. An obvious inside job. Whether it was just Bush or done by "them" as a whole is still up for lengthy debate.
JFK -
There was definitely some kind of cover-up...why else would Lee Harvey Oswald be allowed to be shot in front of all that press amongst all that security? Plus there's tons of other suspicious circumstances surrounding not only JFK's assassination but other deaths in the Kennedy family, such as JFK's son or younger brother, I don't remember which, dying in a plane crash while flying solo, even though he had sufficient experience as a pilot to make a simple short hop flight between a couple of small coastal airfields with a fricking CITY right there in between them to use as visual reference.
Second of all...Christopher Columbus and his peers weren't arguing over whether the Earth was flat or round as many seem to believe...there have been quite a few scientists who had conducted experiments proving the earth was round long before any of them were alive...what they were arguing about was just how large the Earth was.
But JFK's son was not experienced enough in the planeconditions. He flew into MVFR/IMC without an instrument rating at night no less, after a hurried departure because he was delayed. One of the leading causes of GA crashes to this day are inexperienced pilots thinking they can handle poor conditions, and "get-there-itis". Source: Am pilot; and did internship work at NTSB headquarters; studied human factors.
Fixed link
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:15:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lora4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:29:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The federal reserve is b*shit! After the dollar stopped being based on gold the inflation just went crazy. The FR can just print money out of nowhere. The Jews are behind it for sure
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Send me all of your filthy U.S. Treasury bills, I'll help you by properly "disposing" of them for you.
Quesamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the Jews? Is there any reason why they are said to be behind all of these conspiracies?
lora4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This probably isn't the only reason, but in mid-age Europe jews were the one only ones allowed to lend money.
So if a king or other local leader took a loan with the jews and was not willing to pay it back, it was quite common to scapegoat the jews for poisoning water supplies or such and have them exiled or killed.
Also the jews are quite good at 'cheating' their god which probably is another reason. For example: they are not allowed to do certain things like carrying something outside of their homes on sabbath, so they just declare huge zones to their 'home' for sabbath (I forgot the name of these zones, but iirc the biggest one contains a huge part of lower manhattan) by circling them with a 'blessed string'.
I think there is more to the horror story of 9/11 than what the official story explains. Far fucking more. The most blatant bullshit is Building 7's controlled demolition. That one event alone, caught on video, blows the whole story out of the water. The complete story of 9/11 is unlikely to come out in my lifetime, and sadly, maybe never... But considering how this one event created the world as we know it today, with assholes abound both high and low, armed with executive privileges and Kalashnikovs, grinding down the lives and rights of innocents... The world deserves the truth. I hope it comes out one day.
Michael Jordan didn't retire between the threepeats. The famous gambler was caught gambling on basketball, and instead of letting it come out and have it tarnish the legacy of the greatest player ever, they had him "retire" for a while.
conspiracy = people conspiring right? damn lol. i guess i just associated conspiracy with crazy false idea
NeinNyet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That somewhere in history it will be revealed that the DNC in an effort to satisfy Hillary promised her the Presidency of the United States.
They promised her if she could get her 'street cred' up they would get her the presidency for keeping her silence during the whole Monica thing.
She wanted it in 2k, but they knew the experience thing would effect her. So they got her as a senator and then put her in the chain of command and line of succession later.
The DNC knew she couldn't win in 04, or 08. That's why they backed off her. They promised her if she chilled in 12 she would be guaranteed the DNC nomination over all other choices. DNC had really planned to take on one of the other much more qualified names in the final election.
Nobody really took Trump as a serious challenger, since his whole campaign was based on making sure Hillary didn't get elected. But one by one the religious nuts showed themselves in the RNC and Trump surged.
The DNC knew that 2016 was the last realistic chance to get her elected. She blew it. The DNC gagged our choices. And look how it all came out.
Check out the Pied Piper strategy of Clinton's campaign manager, as revealed in the leaked Podesta emails.
You will find that it was a conspiracy that got Trump elected, and people behind the conspiracy were - Hillary Clinton's campaign staff.
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
..thats a twist that i hadn't heard.
the above theory is my own thought.
and i saw another redditor made a comment that Obama was squelched to give possiblity to his daughters future aspirations.
..to wit, i think that is a very serious consideration. it would be a very large selling point in 20 years.
Shortly before the election, Wikileaks released 10,000 Emails from the Clinton campaign. In it Podesta, Clinton's right hand man, described the Pied Piper strategy. The idea was to make the Republicans nominate someone completely unelectable, a far right wingnut with no appeal to the mainstream American voter. A complete pushover that Hillary could beat without half trying. On their short list were Ben Carson, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. They decided to go with Trump. They told their friends in the media, basically everyone in the mainstream media, to push Trump in the primaries. If you recall, during the primaries Trump could do no wrong, he bragged that he got $3 billion in free publicity due to his brilliant publicity skills etc. Then as soon as he won the primaries, they all turned against him. Literally overnight they went from building him up to tearing him down. If you look at some of the news stories in detail you will see both the buildup and tear down were equally phony. This was the 'fake news' period when they stood up Trump as a straw man.
But in the end Trump won the election. The point is, he never would have got the nomination if not for Hillary Clinton. She is the one who hacked the election.
She also claimed a few days after the election, that it was the Russians who hacked the election and hacked her emails. This is the same woman who said "Wiped? You mean with a cloth?" so not the most computer savvy person.
Wikileaks Julian Assange who leaked the emails, said there was no hack, the information was leaked. After his death he revealed that it was Seth Rich who leaked it.
So no Russian hackers involved in the leaks or in the election. It was all Hillary Clinton, and John Podesta, who used the word "password" as his password on his email account.
When he started running for president Donald Trump had zero intention of winning. It was ruse to build up his business and TV career a bit. It wasn't until he was contacted by Putin about how to get him into power that he considered actually being president.
He no longer wants to be president, now.
jaie22 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:39:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I generally don't believe in conspiracy theories because, well, have you seen how dumb some of these people are? They couldn't keep it secret if the president had a bout of diarrhea two nights ago.
But there's one in particular that really irks me. I just don't believe that the British Royals orchestrated Diana's fatal car accident in Paris. Not to say that they might not have found it very convenient to have her gone, but there are too many ways she could have survived the collision , or for it never to have happened. If the Royals were going to do it, it would have been more foolproof โ she would have gone down in some completely inescapable way, with no chance of survival, and a vehicle accident just isn't it. People walk away from unbelievable wreckage quite often.
The accident could have been averted had Dodi not insisted on using the driver they did, who was not the scheduled driver for the night and who was known to drive recklessly. Had Diana been wearing a seat belt, given how she was found in the vehicle and what her injuries were, she would have had a decent chance of survival. (Not a great chance, but certainly some chance.) The precise speed, the precise angle of impact, the structural mechanics of that particular car, all played a part in her demise. In other words, there was really no way to guarantee Diana would not survive.
The Royals would have used a more reliable method. A fake kidnapping, a fake suicide (believable due to years of struggle with mental health issues), a random sniper, all would have been much more certain to get the job done. Think of other assassinations like JFK, RFK, MLK, Gandhi. There was no doubt the victim would die. There would have been no doubt, at least about that, in this case either. Doubt about who pulled the trigger or who set them up to do it, yes. But no doubt that it was going to work.
BTW, the ambulance did not fly off for the emergency department because it was staffed by fully-qualified emergency doctors who could do a number of things in the ambulance that in other circumstances and other countries can only be done in a hospital. But they can't do them while the truck is barreling down the road. All of which I'm sure an earlier poster has probably explained in greater detail.
The one conspiracy theory I do believe? "New" Coke. We were never supposed to like it, but it got all the sugar-containing "Coke Classic" off the shelves so we didn't notice the slight change in taste when the old stuff came back, now made with high-fructose corn syrup instead. Not sure it's even a conspiracy as much as it's an open secret.
KTH3000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:39:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NFL is actively manipulating games to get the highest possible Super Bowl ratings. They do this by having the refs favor popular teams or teams in large markets. If you watch teams such as the Patriots you can really see it, but they're not the only ones at all.
For example some unpopular team will have a great play that puts them in position to possibly win the upset. Out of nowhere a ridiculously bad call will be made by the refs that erases the play and kills the momentum. Or more subtle things like the spot of the ball will be placed way back for a less popular team, so they are less likely to get a first down.Or that it's OK to completely destroy some quarterbacks but if you so much as bump into any of the top ones it gets called every time. I feel that it's actually getting worse lately to the point where I can no longer say it's a coincidence.
I don't think it's a conspirac-theory anymore .
Even 70% of the US population doesn't believe in the official reports .
It's pretty simple actually watching the situation ad a whole :
George W . Bush is without doubt one of the worst people in mankind . There is nothing to discuss about .
Betrayed his own country and killed 2 million people in his illegal war . Children , women , men , old and young .
BUT he knew he had no evidence of mass destruction weapons in Iraq . ALL secret agencies as the CIA admitted to this day it was all a big lie and hoax to SOMEHOW justify the war .
BUT bush DIDN'T order 9/11.
It was more like this :
He knew that a big attack was going to happen on US soil .
After they found out when and where he did all he could to make it actually happen .
He ordered the entire air force on 9/11 to a training in the west . Almost NO jets were available during the attack
2.They couldn't shot down the planes because they lost track of them .
How retarded is that please . The terrorists pressed ONE BUTTON and both machines disappeared from the radar .
The nation that spends more money on the military than rank 2-10 COMBINED .
Imagine what Russia would able to do of they can't find 2 passenger machines . They could fly over the US and complete destroy it because they are off the radar .
That's retarded and we all know the US' is technology is pretty advanced.
Building 9 . It doesn't really matter , but just shows how shady the entire thing was .
WTC 9 PERFECTLY collapsed even though only ONE !!! steel beam ( number 86) was damaged. This is physically impossible.
Bush had now his reason to start the war . He Lied 585 on camera about Iraq . 585 breaks of oath .
So what did he gain from it people ask ?
The US didn't gain shit . The war costed 2 Trillion $ . Millions of American lost A LOT . Hundred of thousands went into poverty . The US debt today is a result of the bush politics. The refugee crisis is a result of it .
That's the shady think about 9/11 and the Iraq war . NO ONE profit from it EXCEPT a small group of people .
The weapon industry who sold their stuff to the US government AND rebels / terrorists. It's documented that weapons were sold to terrorists .
AND , now it comes , George W. Bush himself .
After the Iraq war 28 billion $ went missing from the Treasury .
28 BILLION .
Even Wikipedia says that those 28 billion went into the pockets of HIGH RANKED POLITICANS! !!!!!!
Yes , also George W. Bush pocket.
It's not only 9/11 , but all the things that followed that attack and happened afterwards.
One of the most shady things ever happened in the new age .
That the media plays a very active role to subterfuge our politics.
For example, ignoring your pro/con belief of Ron Paul, Ron Paul was dismissed early because "he was a racist", this dismissal was widely supported by mainstream media. Without taking a stance on Trump, Trump does show that the perception of being racist doesn't prevent one from becoming president.
I don't get this one, there ARE security videos of the crash.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:06:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC killed Seth Rich.
lora4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES! I believe this especially after of what happened to a Fox News journalist. He said he was going to investigate it. The parents were on board. Then some advertisers threatened his show and the next day the guy decides to "not talk about it to respect the parents".
I'm seeing this girl who no matter what I say, thinks the moon landing was faked. I would actually like to see it from her point of view, do any of you guys have any decent or informative documentaries supporting the idea that the moon landing was faked?
Just to be clear, I fully believe the moon landing happened. My contribution to this thread: Area 51 is completely real and there is some wild shit being held secret there.
Tsevion ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:59:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone believes the Moon Landing was faked, they either also believe in much bigger, further reaching conspiracies, or they don't think about motivations much.
The USSR had the instrumentation to monitor and observe the Moon Landing. If they had even a whiff of evidence it was fake, they would've gone to town with that to discredit the US. So either there's a much bigger conspiracy and the whole Cold War was being faked, or the Moon Landing happened.
Area 51 (Or more properly called Homey Airport(KXTA) or Groom Lake) is certainly a real facility... it's a remote detachment of Edwards Air Force Base. It's a testing ground for highly experimental aircraft and weapons systems... notably the U-2 Spyplane and the SR-71 Blackbird, as well as various stealth aircraft. In 2013 a lot of the early documents describing its purpose were declassified in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
vayyiqra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One good reason (among others) to believe the moon landing wasn't faked and the JFK assassination wasn't a massive conspiracy is that the USSR would have been all over it as a huge propaganda victory.
crusoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. Some crazy shit if you read declassified airforce reports. Remember the stealth fighter was developed in the 70s and flown for a long time before it was unveiled.
Funny you should mention those two conspiricies in the same comment but not related to one another. A common theory within the moon landing hoax community (which I don't fully consider myself a member but believe it is not at all far fetched) is that the Area 51 site is where the filming locations and props and so on are stored.
I'm not saying the moon landings were fake. But NASA is not helping their own case.
1) They say space missions outside the atmosphere are impossible because you would need lead shielding 4 feet thick to protect the astronauts from radiation. When asked what kind of shielding they used in the moon missions they say they don't know, they lost that information.
2) They say they destroyed the tapes of the moon missions. Are you shitting me? We have Columbus' journals and logs from 500 years ago but NASA couldn't be bothered to keep the tapes of the moon missions. They say they reused them and taped over them to save money. Save money? NASA?
3) They also admit they destroyed all the photos and replaced them with replicas.
That is the only part of the story that is true. The passengers did bring down that plant. It was going to the third building that collapsed at WTC, not DC as we've been told.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:26:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Benghazi is actually a cover up for the executive branch arming factions without congress's explicit knowledge and approval, basically Iran-Contra Part Deux!
Donald Trump is just a smoke screen for some bigger evil. If we focus on him, what happens outside our focus?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:16:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Professional sports are indeed fixed, or at least deliberately influenced by the interests of people with money invested in them. In the NBA, it's pretty goddamn obvious that certain players get special treatment. Is it a coincidence or just lazy officiating that LeBron gets to travel for 50 steps when he drives? Fuck no. They don't want a well organized team of 5 mediocre guys that methodically play great as a team, they want LeBron traveling from half court doing a windmill dunk so they can replay it on ESPN 1,000 times an hour.
The NFL....CONSTANTLY changing rules to make games higher scoring. Overprotecting "poster boy" players like Tom Brady while Cam Newton gets mugged every game. Watch enough games of less popular teams and you'll see blatant "lol fuck you" moments from the refs. Unexplainable penalties, bizarre "flukes". I shit you not, a few years back the fucking BROWNS have the Patriots goddamn dead to rights. Nope, can't have that. Can't damage the image of the Patriots being invincible by letting them lose to the Browns. Patriots last ditch effort, fade to the endzone, Patriots player straight pushes off and ball hits the ground, should be game over. NOPE! Penalty on the Browns! When the PATRIOTS player initiated the contact! Ball placed at 1, then touchdown Patriots, game over. Completely jaw dropping blatantly obvious rigging.
Absolutely infuriating watching this go on and nothing that can be done about it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFuMDUKhrI
While it was a bad call, and that game manipulating happens the game would not have been over, and it wasn't even an offensive penalty much less an obvious offensive penalty like you described. The Browns also set themselves up by not recovering an onside kick a couple plays before that.
PiLamdOd ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:51:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Julian Assange works for the Russian government.
He once had a TV show on Russia Today. Meaning he was an employee of the Russian government.
Wikileaks never posts leaks that are damaging to Russia or its allies.
All the leaks happen to be damaging the US or its allies.
Wikileaks timed it's DNC leak at the perfect time to harm Hillary.
The cake in Portal is a metaphor for life, sometimes you can give your all to something but still get shit all in return, even if promised "the world".
Zomborz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:43:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find myself swayed by the 9/11 conspiracy arguments. Too much was too perfect, the way the building fell, the state of the wreakage, the lack of plane parts at the pentagon, the fact nobody acknowledges a 3rd attack happened that day, and the incompetence of Bush Jr.
I just don't buy the story they try to tell, it skips over and tries to make people ignore the flaws in the arguments rather than discrediting them. Twin towers was a incredible demolition, whoever set it up did a great job, but it was a false flag operation to do in Afghanistan what they did in Vietnam; start a war for commercial interests.
All you need to know is the truth was told, just not the whole truth.
popcan2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:42:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eisenhower made a secret deal with aliens for technology, leading the way to the computer age. In July 1947 the famous Roswell incident took place, a few months later, in the same year, bell labs announced the "invention" of the transistor. Edgar Mitchell was an astronaut who all but confirmed the existence of aliens, including seeing them outside his Apollo capsule. Paul Hellyer was a former defense minister for the Canadian government who all but blew the lid on alien visitation, but nobody seems to take him seriously. All thru out history, there have been numerous sightings recorded by famous people, including Christopher Columbus all the way to generals, astronauts, pilots, police officers, firemen and ordinary citizens who have witnessed other worldly events. Mufon alone has tens of thousands of recorded sightings including videos and pictures for those who want to research the truth. This is the knowledge that separates the "elites" from the populace. It's the highest chip you can have in the big game.
Tsevion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:05:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In July 1947 the famous Roswell incident took place, a few months later, in the same year, bell labs announced the "invention" of the transistor.
This would be more plausible if there wasn't a continuous stream of theory, discovery and invention leading up to it over 50 years.
popcan2 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were stumped for 50 years, then, bam, a ufo to reverse engineer.
Tsevion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:30:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't stumped though... they were making continuous progress, with the transistor just being another small step.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:55:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love threads like these because they remind me how stupid Redditors are, in general.
Haurboss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:45:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich or another DNC insider leaked the emails. Russia did not hack them
The DNC refused to let the FBI examine their servers. They only allowed Crowdstrike which is a company tied to Hillary Clinton with a history of falsifying evidence.
Newly released computer forensics shows the download speed at which the emails were taken from the DNC server is way too fast to have been done from Russia. It had to have been done manually such as by a simple flashdrive.
Note how the media initially said 19 US intelligence agencies confirm it was Russia. Now the number is down to4. And none of those 4 have provided any actual proof
Even Salondotcom admitted today that it may have been an insider and not Russia.......SALON admitted it.
The DNC is going to come crashing down once it is proven it was an internal leak. The liberal MSM is screwed as well considering how hard they've pushed the Russian narrative. Hopefully it happens just in time for 2018 or 2020
Pylons ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Newly released computer forensics shows the download speed at which the emails were taken from the DNC server is way too fast to have been done from Russia.
lol, this garbage explanation.
Even Salondotcom admitted today that it may have been an insider and not Russia.......SALON admitted it.
Not incredibly surprising if you know the author of that article.
By the way, The Nation is reviewing that article they posted.
tquiz ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:37:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russian collusion with the Trump campaign occurred at some level, we just don't know how high up it went yet.
tquiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really didn't though. There have been front-page developments every week or two for months now.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you realize the DNC came up with the "Russia story" within 24 hours after their loss to help the party recover from the loss... you're a MSM sheep if you think Russia actually rigged or hacked the election or colluded with trump in anyway
Airway ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:38:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don Jr. emails.
You might be a victim of far-right propaganda if you refuse to acknowledge hard evidence.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emails to a Russian lawyer with no ties to the Russian government
If you think that's cold hard evidence... you need a lobotomy
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 19:12:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that pizzagate has a degree of truth to it. I don't think the particular pizza shop they talk about is guilty of anything nefarious, but I do think that there are some powerful people (politicians, CEOs, etc) who partake in some form of sexual trafficking and get away with it because of how powerful they are.
Think about it. Catholic priests got away with it. Why not a Senator or Governor?
I dont know how 911 isnt the top answer. 911 was an inside job and anyone on the fence just needs to watch zeitgeists. or at least research building 7. Maybe the government is keeping it from being top comment (joking). Really tho its so obvious im surprised its not general knowledge by now.
Nah. Religions are founded generally by someone who wants to sleep with and/or steal money from gullible people. This is how all cults start, and once they get large enough to go mainstream, they become a religion. This has happened dozens (hundreds, even) of times over the years.
The only difference between something like Scientology or Mormonism (which started as cults in fairly recent history and have, by most definitions, become larger religions) and other, more mainstream religions is that the the founding went from historical fact to apocryphal stories. They tend to get the more cult-like parts stripped out over time in order to make them more socially acceptable, like all of the Old Testament's pro-slavery stuff being deemphasized once we as a culture decided that slavery wasn't acceptable.
Dang it, I'm so late to this game. I truly feel that it's a conspiracy that putting weights on bats for practice swings actually helps your batting average is nonsense. Never been proven, but still happens to this day.... I think the weights,bats,extra bats companies are all in this together.
Edit: I know my comment seems like a joke-- but seriously, that's got to be a mental thing and not a performance thing.
But.. isn't it to make the bat feel lighter to the hitter once they take the weights off? Thus potentially helping their batting average. Still need to have good contact.
That the government killed JFK. I mean IDGAF because he was not a good person (look up what the Kennedy's did to Rosemary Kennedy).....but I still think it was an inside job and Oswald was a scapegoat.
Our mind is capable of transcending space and time. We are suppressed and have forgotten the true meaning of being Human. We chase a dollar to keep this power in the small elite.
That Rick c137 is the rick of evil morty. And rick performed experiments on that morty, but in turn caused that morty to gain higher intelligence. So he abondoned him. Then evil morty built a new rick to begin his efforts to get revenge on rick, by causing his current morty to turn against him as well.
9/11 was an inside job. Just think- a planes wing can not slice through meters of concrete and steel beams like a hot knife through butter, it just wouldn't happen. There are also explosions heard just before one of the towers went down, timed perfectly to try and be masked by the sound of the building finally giving in. The US military were also told to stand down even though they had been warned something like this could happen weeks earlier
I don't know if this counts but if you go to Disney the security getting into the park is minimal. They have a team of nice people that quickly look into your bags and that's it. I've seen some metal detectors but it seems random.
I'm convinced the security is crazy high tech and everywhere you just don't see it. It's "the happiest place on earth" so they don't want you thinking anything scary...but there is no way they trust those monster parks with an old man and a stick poking in my kids stroller.
I've told my wife that I'll bet if I taped a BB gun to my thigh under my shorts that I doubt I'd even make it to the ticket booth. Never had the guts to test my theory though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't rest that theory. You'd ruin it for everyone.
Reala27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Test it, I'm curious...
ePants ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:21:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never believe that 9/11 was an "inside job," but it's a fact that they knew about the towers being potential targets.
I think they had demolition charges installed as a last resort plan to minimize collateral damage and cleanups costs in the event of an attack.
This sounds absurd, but it was a calculated move when you realize how much worse the damage and cleanup would have been if the tops of the towers had collapsed and tumbled into surrounding buildings (which is honestly what would happen if the upper quarter of a building is compromised while the foundation and lower half is fully intact). It was like an insurance plan to ensure that if the buildings were hit there'd be the minimal amount of damage and fastest cleanup.
All the coincidences about certain people not being there that day are just that - coincidences. All throughout history there are odd coincidences. What's not a coincidence is two buildings collapsing from the ground up when the damage is at the top - that's just breaking the laws of physics (or a controlled demolition).
Chillvab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:18:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The small fudge poptart boxes (boxes of 4 packs), contain pop tarts that are significantly lower quality than those of the fudge pop tarts in the big boxes in order to make you buy the bigger boxes.
Hear me out.
I pretty much each 2 packs of these pop tarts every day and it's almost undeniable at this point that the pop tarts that come out of the smaller boxes taste and look like shit compared to the big box ones. Over the past three years, I have been keeping track of which boxes or what types have shit pop tarts and which have good ones. I've had many failed theories, but I think I've narrowed it down.
At first, I believed it had to do with different editions of boxes. When I started noticing, it was the boxes with poptart cartoons/comic strips on them which had shitty poptarts within. The ones with good poptarts always had an ad for a giveaway, and no comic on them. At this point in time, I hadn't connected the quality of poptarts to box size. My initial theory was that it was a ploy to make you enter in their giveaways, as the good poptarts only had the ads for the sweepstakes.
Until, one day, I bought a box and it had a new giveaway advertised. Something about winning $100 online. I opened the box and instantly new they were shit poptarts just by the look. But how could this be?! The sweepstake boxes were always high quality?!
Not anymore. My reality had been shattered.
I took a step back to evaluate, and come up with something simpler. I determined that it probably had to do with the batch it shipping in, and/or the factory it came from. Then I did some digging into the situation and realized that this probably isn't the case as some of the comic boxes came from the same place as the big boxes.
Onto my latest, and most proven theory.
So, I then took ANOTHER step back. Maybe there was something I was missing? After buying two more boxes, one large, one small, both advertising a giveaway, it finally came to me.
IT WAS THE BOX SIZES!!!
I opened the small box, shit poptarts, big box, good poptarts! I then followed up later that week and it was the same thing. It must be a plot to make the consumer buy more expensive, bigger boxes. Saboteur!
At least now I am able to rest easy, knowing the truth. To all you fudge poptarts lovers out here, stay vigilant.
In addition, this is untested with other flavors besides fudge poptarts. I am not liable for any wasted money if results aren't consistent with other flavors.
I'm going to upvote this because. I've also come to believe that the takeout Chinese is not as good as when you eat in the restaurant. Coworkers and I noticed this; when we went into Imperial Dragon and sat down to eat, it was delicious and there was more meat/shrimp. When we ordered delivery, it wasn't as good and fewer meat/shrimp.
That Jesus lives in a moon base built by the Nazis on the flat moon which also doesn't exist because it's a hologram created by the CIA which is secretly run by Kermit the frog to spy on people that oppose Chem Trails which is secretly poison and is all related to A marketing scheme by Febreeze so we can "Breathe Happy"
Bro it's a conspiracy thread you're doing it wrong
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:18:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Trump was running for election last year, some viral facebook post was going around with a picture of Trump and it said something along the lines of, "If Trump came to your house, how would you entertain him?"
The responses on this viral thread were a lot of country things like "We'd shoot guns" or "I'd take him fishing", and things like that. Nothing wrong with those things at all, but those were the responses.
It truly amazed me that anyone from rural America could look at him and think, "yeah, he's just like me!" I'm from rural America. I understand that Obama probably wasn't listening to their concerns, that's fair, but the fact that they all seemed to think he's a good ol' boy like them is insane. I just don't get that part. He's a NY billionaire. He was born into that. He has literally nothing in common with country folk.
That's something I've had trouble understanding too. I have family from rural southern-Illinois who are teachers that love Trump. I cannot fathom how they think even for a second that "Small loan of one million dollars" Trump gives a shit about the middle class.
Everyone ganging up on trump missing the real problems with the fed
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Since the inception of this country, the central banks have always been a hugely unethical entity. Today, they have the power to control our lives.
Ignorance is pretending the problem is with dems vs repubs, whites vs blacks, gays vs straight, men vs women, THEY are doing it to us.
He gave up the life of a billionaire in his 70's to become the most hated man in the world.
This isn't just a thankless job, it's likely the most stressful job in America. Why would someone give up so much to do it? The money? He's got that. The power? He had that too.
There's a better argument to be made that it's all about his ego, and that he only wants to make the country great so that he will be remembered as a great man.
That's a conspiracy theory I can understand, because Trump certainly has an ego.
I know lots of people who retired. Most did so before 70, and with a whole lot less than a billion dollars.
How is spending millions of your own money to run for president (a job that doesn't pay very much) economically beneficial to someone? He knew his chances were slim.
I mean, if you have a theory that Trump has an Obama-style slush fund then I'm all ears. But as it stands now, I'd imagine him being president has hurt his business far more than it's helped. His buildings are all located in large, liberal cities. Didn't they take down a few "Trump" signs near a few of his buildings?
Airway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
19% of Rosneft would be pretty beneficial.
The vastly wealthy and powerful don't often just retire like normal people. They didn't get there by being satisfied once they had enough.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Obama was forced to be pro Hilary instead of Sanders despite talking about how she wouldn't be a good president before he was first elected.
I firmly believe he was pro Hilary in the recent election because he cares about his daughter's future political connections and that was threatened
xllcyllx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:52:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK shot first
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "conspiracy" about JFK is 100% the real account IMO, the direction his head moves after the shots, eye witness accounts of smoke coming from the grassy knoll, in still pictures, pretty much everyone at the scene is looking towards the grassy knoll and that LHO was himself killed.
The conspiracy is the "official version" the truth is the "conspiracy."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they are not secret. This thread is proof of that. Many of these conspiracy theories began within days of the conspiracy as smart people spotted the flaws in the fake narrative.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That companies decrease the quality of their products so they break and you'll buy a new one. Not so much a conspiracy as fact but I know many people who refuse to accept this.
The Jimmy Hoffa "disappearance" was an open-and-shut case, but it was spun into a mystery and a conspiracy to drive a wedge between organized crime and the Teamster's Union, in a plot to deprive the union of funding, and this was done by circulating rumors and false information.
TheGarp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler caused the Hindenburgh explosion.
Here's why: At the time, Hitler was ramping the Uboat fleet. The only real way to watch for and defend against them were with blimps. Planes cannot just loiter and hang out for long periods of time in the air watching for uboats.
So, Hitler had the Hindenburg rigged to blow up once berthed, taking out resources to launch and tend to blimps on the east coast. Or, he meant for them to appear too dangerous to keep using and we would stop using them. But, it went off too soon.
There was something else that happened that lead to him taking a hiatus. But you're right. It had nothing to do with baseball.
slka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if this qualifies or who already mentioned it, but I'm pretty positive that b**** Courtney murdered Kurt Cobain. Watched several documentaries on the subject and there are just too many uncanny coincidences/instances of botched police work.
Tommy Wiseau is an alien who made a movie showcasing human life called "The Room." He directed, produced, and acted in the movie. If you've ever watched it, you know it's far from normal. Wiseau has a particularly ambiguous past, from his source of income to grand purchases.
There's no way a person thought "The Room" was a great dramatic masterpiece. Only an ironic comedy.
Many of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written during Jesus' or his followers' lifetimes. Some make references to his brother James and to Paul as an opponent.
In order to prevent this interpretation from becoming widepread, the document team dated everything they could to a century earlier via a number of questionable interpretations, some of which have been reversed. Also prevented outside access to the documents for decades.
Sounds very DaVinci Code, but it's hard to know what to make of the behavior otherwise.
Most of this is from Robert Eisenmann, a scholar on messanic Judaism, early Christianity, and Islamic law, who helped get the scrolls publicly released. His view is in the minority.
James the Brother of Jesus is the central work. It is dense but the material is fascinating. He also has a lot of stuff of YouTube.
One theory that makes sense is that the books were hidden away in 70AD during the siege of Jerusalem. After Jerusalem was sacked many were never recovered because the people who put them away were dead.
They may not all the same source. Some may be from the Qumran settlement.
But the Copper Scroll is pretty clearly from Jerusalem. The attempt to declare the treasue list a fantasy and place it in Qumran seems far-fetched and motivated. And many of the documents are very clearly from the Roman period.
The lotion cartel puts ingredients in lotion that makes you need more lotion. I've used very little lotion in my life it my wife uses multiple times every day and can't live without it. Skin softness is no different between us.
It's supposedly debunked but Michael Jordan's mid-career "retirement" from the NBA to play baseball was actually due to suspension from NBA for gambling.
I heard this one was like half true, they were going to suspend, so he just decided to retire and go play baseball
Shrigis_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am 100% convinced that Courtney Love is behind the death of Kurt Cobain. There is a mountain of evidence to support this theory, all of which can be seen in the documentary "Soaked In Bleach". Which follows the investigation of Kurt's disappearance from the private investigator Courtney hired. It exposed the many lies and coverups by the police and Courtney Love.
Everything evil in this world is the result of ___________ and we must stop them!
klipoch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced the HVAC and power companies bred and released millions of stink bugs so everyone would keep their windows shut and AC on. I don't remember stink bugs being so present when I was a kid, but it seems like they're everywhere now
Verizon overcharging people on data. No matter how much data you purchase, you're always going to go over by a tad. Enough for them to keep adding on the fees.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bigfoot, they haven't seen him, but they haven't caught him yet.
The banks don't want the average person to gain too much wealth, so what do they do? They create a financial crisis every once in a while by pressuring governments to deregulate certain aspects of the banking industry. Once they have the pieces in place - they pull the trigger.
They never want the average person to be able to pay off their debts, so they create situation after situation to make it happen.
The banks WANT you to be in perpetual debt, so you are effectively a slave to them.
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never enter debt and this never becomes a problem. I don't even use credit.
He was about to spend the rest of his life in prison. Remains cremated, buried in an undisclosed location. Oh, and the doctor who certified his supposed death was a lifelong friend.
Ohb9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain didn't kill himself. The documentary Soaked in Bleach is pretty eye-opening. I suspect Courtney was behind it. Kurt in interviews had talked about future material and his death was a complete shock to Dave and Krist, who knew him very well. Also if I recall correctly, the amount of heroin he supposedly took before shooting himself with a shotgun was enough to put an average person into a coma.. There's no way he could've taken it all and had enough time to shoot himself..
I'm convinced that it's wholly intentional whenever Burger King comes out with a new side and one of them "accidentally" ends up in my normal fries (as a "try me"). It happened too consistently with the same sides at certain times.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Little Caesars purposely cooks way less $5 hot and readys now that they have their upgraded $6 hot and ready pizzas. Usually people don't feel lik waiting 5-10 minutes so they just upgrade
DartFred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan was suspended for two years while in his prime because he got caught gambling on his games. He retired so the NBA didn't get destroyed in its aftermath.
That the American government really caused the tragedy of 9/11 to further ignite a war with the middle East to get American minds off the fact they're fucking us with more taxes and laws that don't matter for the funding of a senseless war.
The US government has the cure for cancer but it's more profitable to keep them coming for chemo
jylny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem with this one is there's no one "cure for cancer". There are so many processes that can go wrong that even if we "cure" one sort, the rest are still screwed.
hah98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you read about Operation Northwoods from the Cuban Missile Crisis, you'll notice some eerily similar plans to stage a commercial airliner crash in Florida. Blame was to be put on Cuba so that the Kennedy Administration could gain the support they needed to invade cuba.
Fast forward to the Bush administration, and you have the same senario. Bush has stakes in the oil industry and wants to mess around in the Middle East, so what does he do? Rips a page out of Operation Northwoods and rallies behind the anger of the American population.
Fun fact. Dick Cheney ordered NORAD to stand down ON 9/11 before anything went down, an order that has never been given in the history of USA.
Anthony Scaramucci is actually Patrick Bateman of American Psycho. The timeline matches up, the sharp dressed good looks match up, he worked in finance in New York, and he adores Donald Trump.
MH-370 was planned. Why? There was a dude on board which wanted to make a patent for a microchip that you can implant. Guess who has the patent now? Rothschild. They are behind many thing. Just look up all the people that worked once for them and where they all are. French president macron for example.
The pockets on women's pants are purposely small to force them to buy purses. I own men's skinny jeans and they have regular pockets so it's not because women's pants are tighter than men's.
I know it's cliche, but 9/11 was a false flag attack to rally public support for continued middle eastern conflict. It all fits just a bit too well together. A magical fire-proof passport, missing frames from the Pentagon's cameras, and of course, the physics-defying WTC7 collapse.
Think about the aftermath of the event, and consider the fact that false flags are not uncommon events orchestrated to change public opinion. Look back to Turkey's last "coup" attempt, which resulted in more authoritarian rule. The Russian apartment bombings starting the 2nd Chechnyan war. What makes 9/11 and the subsequent PATRIOT Act (which otherwise would be considered a blatant violation of the US Constitution) and wars we still fight to this day.
Ken Lay faked his death. He wrecked the economy, defrauded thousands of employees out of their retirement, and died just before going to prison and the body was quickly cremated.
I don't think it would be far off the "conspiracy" vein to say that Omega watch company payed NASA to have their watch worn by astronauts and have the speedmaster as the claim to being the first watch worn on the moon. During NASA trials the watch performed poorly. NASA astronauts didn't like the watch as it was mechanically inept. Buzz Aldrin was quoted as saying it was "a lousy watch to have" (funny he's now a spokesperson for them now). Another astronaut, Gary Cooper wore his Omega Speedmaster on one wrist and a Bulova Accutron Astronaut on the other in a 1963 mission to see for himself which performed better (the accutron was the direct competitor for Omegas speedmaster in who was to be chosen for the official nasa watch). Well, long story short, the Omega failed catastrophically on launch (from G-forces affecting the hairspring) as he had reported to NASA (the report only came out much later) and the accutron astronaut watch worked perfectly (while also performing a mission critical action, the only MCA to be performed by a watch in space also). That accutron more than likely saved his life. It's strange to think that while you have proven technology such as the accutron movements/watches/clocks, why would you need something else (and something else that has been seen to fail in real life scenarios)? I believe they already used accutron clocks on board the spacecrafts dashboards as well. Why would NASA allow their astronauts to wear substandard equipment in place of state of the art tech that works perfectly and without fail? And all those years leading up to the moon landing in 1969? I find it hard to believe that money was not involved. Don't get me wrong, I love the Omega Speedmaster, but at the time, it was not mechanically qualified to go to space as it was to be in the driver's seat of a sports car.
The same "conspiracy" theories get posted and upvoted to the top so people will see the same ol' stories, get bored, and not even bother scanning some posts that might actually be true.
How can Occam's razor still be incorporated in today's world?...serious question. That philosophy gives reasonable accusations loss of credibility, because it's easier to expect nothing happened rather than something.
As for Aliens Im going to try and stay with-in the Occam walls. Our species has two ways of leaving this Earth, with the use of technology. Either together by space or extinction If we use this as basis for conscious evolution throughout the galaxy. There would be likely more species who left their solar system by united commorodry. Rather than those species who left their planet after complete domination, that is to say they didnt cause their own self destruction before hand.
Now take those who left, say over the course of however long, and they meet with similar beings. Which ones would form an alliance? If they meet the opposite of beings, who would have more allies? Over time which kind of beings would grow in numbers?
Here is where I break the razor. I think there would come a realization, on both sides, that species can be influenced but not shown how to leave their home. If say the dominion beings give the knowledge to a group who didn't have dominion traits than they give more numbers to the opposition. If the live and let live beings gave knowledge to a species unfit they risk destroying a planet.
All this can go a whole lot of different ways. Maybe we have not been in contact with aliens. I just know that if they are out there, the size in numbers lie with those who are peaceful.
Our internet has been going in and out for months - we've been power cycling at least once or twice a day. Cox calls to promote some shit and I say "we're not really interested in upgrading considering we're barely getting the service we already pay for", they say "well since you're not renting a modem from us for 500x the actual price of the modem, we can't ensure that you will receive the service we're providing". So we buy a new modem, but never end up hooking it up because the internet has been connected flawlessly ever since that phone call.
I don't know if there is even anything they could have done to "fix" whatever was going on before, but I am convinced that whatever it was, we called them on their bullshit.
Kiemal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the fast food industry is not as unhealthy as people make it out to be. The idea being that local or sit-down restaurants and supermarkets will see an increase in business if they convince the masses to stop eating fast food.
I just cannot buy the idea that french fries can be super unhealthy in a place like McDonald's, but if you buy them in Walmart and make them at home, it's fine. Same thing with hamburgers or chicken.
Reddit exists primarily as a paid tool to push website traffic. It's owned by a billion dollar media company and I don't see Reddit Gold as being enough to pay for servers, staff, rent, utilities, accountants, lawyers
I have no doubt that Jordan retired and went to play baseball because he got caught up gambling on games. I'm also a lifelong Bulls fan who grew up watching their titles.
Trekiros ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Governments all over the world are making education worse and worse with each year because stupid people's votes are easier to manipulate.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole cell phone revolution is the result of people not wanting to catch aids from pay phones. Even though science dismissed the opinion that aids could be acquired from casual contact like a pay phone, people refused to believe it. Cell phone manufacturers leaped at the opportunity to cash in on peopleโs fears. Now there are more personal cell phones, with pay phones rapidly disappearing.
I'm convinced that micheal jordans swap to the mlb for a year was actually a hidden suspension for gambling agreed upon by the nba leadership/ownership to prevent smearing their game and the greatest ever forever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:39:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA knew that the space shuttle Coumbia was doomed from the launch. They watched from the launch video, and saw the piece of foam insulation break off from the Space Shuttle external tank and strike the left wing of the orbiter. They didn't want to cause panic among the crew and their families.
r4it21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most recent coup in Turkey was a false flag. No one is so incompetent.
mcwilg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government asks this question on Reddit every week to know what we know
Cyrado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the famous "Covfefe" tweet was a satirical joke made by one of Trump's social media staff members. Essentially instead of saying "ridiculous media coverage" he (or she) intentionally said "ridiculous media covfefe" because they knew the tweet would end up in media in the anti-Trump campain set up by most of the major mainstream media corporations, thus proving the media covfefe was ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:10:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Khitomer was an inside job. But good luck getting the High Council to admit it.
Cyrado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 9/11 and or Pearl Harbor was another iteration of the Northwoods operation. For those who don't know what Operation Northwoods was, it was essentially a false flag operation by the U.S. Department of Defense to commit a domestic terrorist act and blame it on Cuba to justify a war. It was turned down by JFK (just one year before he was killed but that's another theory for another time) but who's to say presidents before or after him weren't as clean. From the released documents detailing the Northwoods Operation we know what the government is capable of. I'm not saying this is fact but it's something to think about.
How could Pearl Harbor be an iteration of a plan that started with a plot to start a war with Cuba? Pearl Harbor happened 18 years prior to Castro's revolution.
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what he means is that Pearl Harbor was a false flag event similar to the later suggested Operation Northwoods. If so, Pearl Harbor (or events before that) would be the starting point with later operations (Northwood, 9/11) being iterations of it. It was just a fluke of grammar and placement.
In the cover for the song "Blinded By The Light" by Manfred Mann's Earth Band (originally Bruce Springsteen) there's some controversy over what exactly the lead singer says...
According to the lyrics he says... "Revved up like a deuce another runner in the middle of the night"... But it certainly sounds like he says... "Wrapped up like a douche"
I believe he actually said the word "douche" by mistake during the first live performance and just decided he'd keep saying it that way so it wasn't obvious he misspoke. From then on he had to say "douche" whenever he sang the song. He clearly says "douche" no matter which version you listen to.
AtxD1ver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:16:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toyota was slandered in the media after GM was bought out by the government. Right after Obama(come back) became president and GM was bought, they needed to boost domestic car sales because the auto industry is a huge indicator of how we value our stupid economy. All of the sudden there was this accelerator pedal (mechanism really, they said they couldnt get it out of gear)getting stuck on tons of toyota cars. They lauched damage control, it was all over the news, recalls, and they did an economic tailspin. Im not saying there wasn't an issue. Just that the majority of consumers never saw the redactions and the vast number of claims that were false. We did see an improved economy and a new interest in domestic cars. All at the hand of the 4th branch.
Titanic was actually swapped with the damaged Olympic in the days preceding its launch in order to claim the insurance money previously denied the Olympic when it crashed into a military vessel and found culpable for the accident on its way back from sea trials.
Dubanx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:22:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure the US government manipulates Google and other search engine results to hide leaked classified documents that portray the US in a negative light..
So many leaked wikileaks documents have basically disappeared from the internet. If you look up a lot of these things you'll get results that are completely inconsistent with what you would expect the search engine to return. More like it's manipulated than unclear.
Think about this. If you bring up a leak that isn't super well known people will demand a source. Of course, because of the search result manipulation it's virtually impossible to find a source on a lot of these things.
Thus it becomes nearly impossible for the internet to "remember" these events. Anyone that tries to propagate them is discredited because it's basically impossible to look up past events that the government has covered up.
The plane they claim hit the Pentagon, didn't. It was obviously a smaller plane or weapon. Tough part is there are some crazy theory's about that day, that this one gets over looked.
magnora7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Rothschilds run the finances of the British crown and effectively control it, and have for almost 150 years. Evelyn Rothschild was knighted 1989 for exactly that.
Underneath the Denver Airport is a government doomsday bunker. I realize how blatantly ridiculous that sounds but there is in fact a very large government complex under DIA and they don't let anyone go down there. We are talking several square miles people.
Funny thing is I'm not even a conspiracy guy but this one just seems legit to me.
xNine90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a /r/nosleep story with a similar idea. Instead of a fallout shelter though, DIA contained a base for inhuman beasts underneath it.
I have no evidence to back this up, but damnit, do I believe this:
Google Maps, Waze, and all their competitors do not give you the best route to get to your destination. They purposely send everybody on specific roads in order to divert traffic away from what is actually the optimal route. This way, the roads are clear for those that work on these apps to drive traffic free wherever the hell they choose. Bastards.
Gas stations within close proximity of each other will purposefully switch the buttons when selecting your fuel grade, or in other words the regular button will be on the far right at one gas station, but the far left at another nearby gas station.
This way you will fuck up based on muscle memory and select the more expensive grade accidentally, thus paying more without realizing.
CodyCus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain did not kill himself. He was murdered. There was so much heroin in his system that he should have died from that, and he could not have even held the gun, let alone pull the trigger.
Edymnion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keanu Reeves is the Wandering Jew.
mtfbwyjw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying 9/11/2001 was an inside job... but there are a lot of things that don't make sense...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the Russian Intelligence Services, including Putin and his inner circle of Chekists, had something to do with 9/11, and that 9/11 was part of a great agenda of this same group of Russians that includes, among other things, the hacking of the 2016 elections in the US and all over Europe, supporting and funding the alt-right movements and using RT as a foreign propaganda outlet to spread Kremlin lies all over the internet.
Don't get me wrong, it was al-Qaeda terrorists who carried out the attack and killed thousands of innocent people, the finger should forever be pointed at radical Islamists, but lets just say they may have gotten a little help and/or "inspiration" along the way.
What's interesting is that the one country that NEVER gets mentioned by 9/11 conspiracy theorists is, you guessed it, Russia.
9-11 was an inside job carried out by terrorists. Too much money to be made by going to war for people with large defense contracts with our military, and the Middle East was already an unstable area. When in doubt follow the money trail.
When you sign the release papers to take your baby home their is a part that states that the child is government property. We just feed clothe and raise them sorry for any spelling errors
NeinNyet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gold and silver were never the real assets of a country.
I believe this movement with the confederate monuments and maybe even the stuff with Korea is meant as a diversion away from some serious shit USA is planning or in the process of doing..
The book: The Poetry of Kings: Wives & Consorts, is written by an immortal being and contains hidden illuminati code hence why it's used by elites and celebrities at ritual parties.
famnf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:28 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 9/11 was an inside job. Because in 1998, three years before the war in Afghanistan started, several oil executives testified before Congress that they had all of their oil and gas contracts in place but they couldn't develop them because of lawlessness in the region. They told Congress that they needed Afghanistan to have a functioning, internationally recognized government before they could move forward and develop their oil and gas contracts.
Wulfman97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:22 on September 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certain that the conspiracy theory behind aliens and advanced technology is true. My reasoning is simple, when you live somewhere that the sky is clear most nights and when you are out away from light pollution and you see physical shifts in the sky that aren't normal and you have people with you who also see it happening it's kind of hard to deny that there is advanced technology or more intelligent life forms.
That public schooling and minimum wage jobs are meant to dumb us down and distract us from what our government is really doing to our world and easily have control over us while maintaining the illusion of freedom temporarily. If we're not dumbed down and incapable we can't defend ourselves, if we don't have time to innovate and have our own way of financially prospering, we're stuck in an endless loop of job after job until we die in a lie. Anyone who hasn't conformed to their way of life is an enemy that must be eliminated immediately.
Organ trafficking and harvesting in the United States
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:25:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is suffering from dementia. Not really a conspiracy, but compare the way he talked in the eighties: he was articulate, smart, charismatic. Nowadays he's a shell of his former self, and I bet there has been a great effort to tone him down now that he's POTUS.
Do you know any people in their 70s? Dementia is a severe condition, but old people are just kind of batshit. My dad's in his 70s and my mom has Alzheimer's and lives in a dementia ward. Lots of old retiree types in the town I live in. Trump, and most other big wig politicians are old and crazy in a way that is very normal but not suited to such a high performance job.
It has become a job best suited to a man about 40 years old.
I'm convinced Hillary had something to do with JFK Jr's death.
He was supposedly going to run for senate, which would have put him against Hillary.
He had 310 hours of flight time. Plus knew the area well enough to navigate.
She's Hillary for gods sake. She can't tell the truth for lying.
She also assassinated Robert Kennedy and MLK Jr. Don't believe the fake liberal media lies that she was too young, or wasn't there. How hard would it be for an ancient demon which can copy itself?
She's also currently playing the roles of Putin and Kim Jong Un, trying to start armageddon. For the Jews. And Muslims. And....cannibalistic pedophiles.
Imagine the riches that can be made off of the methane pockets in the permafrost.
Amelora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not saying this is the reason, but someone is in line to make a ton of money from the death of the plant
sardinez ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:13:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We cant kill this planet. We can change it sure. Make it toxic, inhospitable. But that will not destroy it. Life goes on, it always finds a way. Our human lives as we know them, and perhaps most other life would die out, but life adapts. Look at life in there mariana trench, the deepest, darkest abyss known to man. No sunlight, little vegetation, massive amounts of water pressure - and yet life finds a way. No, we can't destroy this planet. But we can destroy our place on it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:17:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chinese government flooding the USA with fentanyl and carfentanyl to kill off Americans as payback for opium war and economic warfare.
9/11. I can't help it.
-There was literally no plane at the Pentagon
-The towers fell perfectly in their own footprint, in the style of controlled demolition
-Building 7 fell in the same way, for no apparent reason
-Mohammed Atta's passport was found in the rubble (seriously?)
The list goes on and on. I'm unable to believe the official story
piangero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not from the US and with limited knowledge of 9/11, but the Pentagon thing always intrigued me. How come there was so little coverage of this? (Or was there a lot of coverage? I don't remember). Did they end up rebuilding the entire building?
I feel like, whenever there's a 911 documentary, they hardly talk about the pentagon. Infact, most of what I've seen from the pentagon was that weird edgy conspirary theory with that track from the Fight Club sountrack or something.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably watched Loose Change. Go watch Screw Loose Change. There was a plane at the Pentagon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is at least some truth behind pizzagate, there are simply too many coincidences and obvious child sex code words. I know were some crazies especially with the whole comet whatever pizza place, but it seemed like they were only used as a way to discredit the actual truth there.
Yesman69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:30:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was 0 evidence of anything of the sort. The "code words" were so far-fetched that it was laughable.
They were literally code words previously found in use by child sex rings a few decades ago. Hell, some of them are in use by us. Have you never seen "cheese pizza" to talk about child porn on the internet?
Yesman69 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never have. But I did work at a pizza place for a few years, and cheese pizza was said about 200 times a day and written down almost non stop.
That's lovely, but irrelevant. At any rate, calling these code words too far fetched is like in 2017 calling the idea that a nation would genuinely enstate this crazy idea called communism too far fetched to ever happen EVER. It's cool if someone thinks that, but it kind of already DID happen is the thing. What I'm getting at is almost all of the alleged code words have genuine historical use in other child sex rings. Do you have anything to say about that, or do you just want to talk about your old part time jobs?
Yesman69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:38:16 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I wasn't going to reply because this is ridiculous, but for real.....
So because a few decades ago the term "cheese pizza" was used to talk about child porn. So then you guys drew the conclusion that this pizza place in DC must be a child sex ring because they also used the term "cheese pizza"... and what else? Is that it? Because if that is your only evidence then you are reeeeeeaaaallllllly looking for it. By that logic, anyone ever that has used the words "cheese pizza" should be investigated for child pornography.
And let's go a little further into this. According to the conspiracy, it is all being held in the basement of Comet's Pizza. There is no basement there. Someone even went as far as to go into the pizza shop with a weapon and tried to "free" the children, only to find out that there is no basement, and it's just a fucking pizza place.
Do you ever actually think about what you believe? Or do you just read something and go "yup, sounds about right" and that's it?
Aaaah. I forgot about that.
Heres the thing. Pizzagate is NOT about comet ping pong. That place is not the main focus and that place is not why pizzagate exists. We drew some connections and found some shady stuff unrelated to the emails, but that has never been its focus. When that guy with the gun went to comet ping pong, mainstream media started painting it like that restaurant is the one main focus, making anyone who believes pizzagate seem crazy.
Pizzagate started when people found these suspicious words in John Podesta's emails from wikileaks. That's what I was referring to with the codewords. People found more and more connections (this part of the story is where I stopped participating because it got too real) between top DNC staff and child sex felons. There are some plausible legitimate reasons that Comet is suspicious (and not because they sell pizza), but I won't talk about them mainly because I haven't been closely following pizzagate in a long time and I don't know them.
Tl;dr- mainstream media has been dishonest about what pizzagate is and that caused a misunderstanding.
The emails never use "cheese pizza" they only talk about regular pizza. And the source that claims that hotdog, pasta and walnut are a code comes from 4chan and has no source. Not too mention they all conveniently mention only words from the emails and no other code words as if it's written specifically for the conspiracy theory. And finally, why use a code that's public?
Haurboss ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:25:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate
Podesta is a creep and for damn sure a pedo along with his brother
Hillary has an awful lot of odd connections with human trafficking in places like Haiti
Alefantis, owner of Comet Ping Pong, is basically a blatant pedo on his Instagram. Oh and funny how the gunman walked in and out of all the places to shoot in a restaurant he shot the hardrive of Alefantis computer which was in a random closet.
Mothra67 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate is real
Haurboss ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:35:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure
The fake shooting at Comet Ping Pong basically sealed the deal. The elite wanted to end that discussion REAL QUICK so what do they do? Place a fake gunman (who btw was an actor according to his own facebook and also got a slap on the wrist for the whole thing), have him go in and destroy the hardrive, and then surrender. Then the narrative switched from pedos to "gun violence in the US".
All of a sudden Alefantis pedo ass became a victim -_-
The dude Alefantis had freaking singers in his pizza place talking about having sex with kids while on stage to the crowd. Normal people wouldn't hire freaks like that to entertain them.
That guy only acted as an extra in a B horrormovie. What actor chooses a job that gives him 4 years in prison as his role in a lifetime and why would people even hire an actor to do the deed if that is suspicious? It's also not as if actors can't be crazy either (there are a ton of crazy actors, some who have killed and most famously there is John Wilkes Booth). If normal people would be turned off by edgy singers they wouldn't visit those shows. If you are hiding that you are creepy you wouldn't show off the creepy thing in public.
Mothra67 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need to see Podesta do a perp walk before I die
1791_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
every day I wake up grateful he's not our sitting secretary of state...
It's not a joke, nutjobs on the right actually believe this shit.
Qulijah ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and you believe you are being cool trying to get facts and evidence to support a conspiracy theory.
Rickmi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That My Neighbour Totoro is connected to the Sayama incident or something similar. The sisters being dead and Totoro being a death god or bad omen or so.
It's just that I felt some scenes were kinda weird/creepy so I googled an interpretation and found some really elaborate theories about all that. They sounded just too perfect...
Yes there's a statement from Studio Ghibli denying those theories saving their heartwarming mascot. Still I kinda refuse to abandon the theories...
It's a kids cartoon, people need to stop looking for things that aren't there. That's like Spirited Away representing human trafficking
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wind is rising is one of the saddest movies I've ever seen, so I would be willing to consider this theory true. Ghibli isn't happy-go-lucky all the time.
That Hitler escaped to Argentina. Although I'm not 100% sure it would make a decent amount of sense. Firstly the bones the Russians found were not that of a man as the teeth I believe were found to be from a woman. Secondly I believe I saw somewhere the CIA had files mentioning him up until the mid nineties. Thirdly I believe it to be entirely possible to have escaped through Hamburg or to have gone through Austria (where some Nazis fought even after the war ended) and into Tyrol to escape. Fourthly the CIA could have used him to hold influence over German scientists from operation paper clip.
Note: I am not a Nazi nor do I support any effort from them in modern times nor attempt to justify or glorify them in the past.
iBeavy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:02:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I really have to be the one?
9/11 was most certainly an inside job.
That is all.
wdaloz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon is actually a transparent ball of water.
Fact 1. It follows the tides
Fact 2. It's transparent- when visible in the day you can see the blue sky behind it.
Fact 3. Its light is cold (like ice, which would explain the freeze thaw behavior of the moons phases). This can be proven by looking at weather data for cloudy nights vs equivalent cloudless nights, where the moonshine clearly is reducing the temperature.
Fact 4. If you analyze the spectroscopic emission of the sun you see elements H up to Al due to fission, that's what makes up the sun. Doing the same toward the moon returns evidence of refraction from water.
WAWDoing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:18:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fact 1. Because gravity.
Fact 2. It's transparent? That makes no sense, because then light would pass through it even at night. That blue haze you're seeing is the freaking sky between you and the moon, visible now because it's day time.
Fact 3. Its light is "cold". Yep, going to stop there with that nonsense.
Fact 4. If you've ever analyzed the spectroscopic emissions of the sun and the moon yourself, I'll give you $5.
I hope you don't really believe the moon is a ball of water lol. It has craters and mountains and valleys that you can see with the naked eye.
And the only reason the moon looks blue during the day is because the sky is blue. And only some of the visible light from the sun can refract through the atmosphere during the day.
eunit250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are they unsustainable?
Vpantha ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:37:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We share this Earth with many other beings from different dimensions or planes of existence. Just a lot of times we cant see them but when we encounter their presents we are labelled crazy, weird, odd and issued "medicine". Theres a lot more around us than we know.
Vpantha ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:52:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon is an extra terrestial being space station. Many accounts from many tribes stating there was no moon before a big catastrophe. Just like Earth it is very hollow.
Not gay, but a lot of estrogenic chemicals from plastics, pesticides, and fertilizers seep into the water supply and cause more female/hermaphrodite frogs than natural.
k3dabra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Saville recruited Fred West at a Black Magic Bar party in 1981 to help him procure and sacrifice children in ancient Druidic rituals designed to ensure the longevity and continued global influence of Queen Elizabeth II
James Earl Ray didn't kill Martin Luther King Jr. unaided.
ritarue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't read all the way through but JFK is my answer. My mother's deaf uncle happened to be in the area at the time. Saw two people on the grassy knoll with cases (violin maybe?). Next thing he knows, everyone is going crazy. Looks up, sees them putting something back in the cases and leaving. It was documented in books by because he was deaf, no one understood / believed him at the time and his "story changed" because they had multiple interpreters once they did actually start talking to him.
nhaines ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:24:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mother's deaf uncle
Also known as "my deaf great-uncle."
ritarue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone forgets about McKenzie and Garfield, though Garfield was assassinated way after he was president.
Pylons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did JFK challenge the federal reserve?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. government either manufactured 9/11 or allowed it to happen. A plane piloted by a man with little experience who was a bad pilot performed an 8000 foot 270 degree descending corkscrew to smash right into the Pentagon destroying the financial offices THE DAY AFTER it was announced there would be an audit of the $2 trillion missing that the Pentagon was responsible for? This is just one of many insane coincidences that make me very very suspicious the story as told is truthful.
I believe the US military shot down United 93 to keep it from crashing into its target. That was the plane that crashed in a field Shanksville, Pa. I wouldn't necessarily even condemn them if it's what happened, considering the alternative.
After the plane hits you can see a black circle zip by from the top left to the bottom right. It is traveling much faster than the plane and comes at a very unlikely angle/speed to be shrapnel. It doesn't look like a bug that flies close to the camera (to me) because it doesn't seem to ever appear in front of the buildings. It looks like a projectile far away that appears from behind the buildings.
Not really a theory... but how the hell do we not have any footage of the plane crashing into the Pentagon? There's no recording devices around the Pentagon?
That Yuri Gagarin was not the first man in space, but the first to survive a round trip. I wouldn't put it passed the Soviet Union to just keep sending people to their deaths "in the name of progress". There are also journals of Radio enthusiasts who would pick up odd broadcasts of people screaming and then suddenly going out.
SuperCPR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced pill birth control is a conspiracy. I think it makes people "relatively infertile." Waaaaaay below Poverty level can't afford birth control so the multiply like crazy. Those below poverty are frequently considered unintelligent and easily incentivized by low cost methods(i.e. we give you cheap shit so you'll look the other way while we pass these laws or get away with something way bigger) meanwhile the rich who already control the lower class can afford to pay for the meds/tools to get pregnant even after taking birth control pills.
I sort of believe the theory that many obnoxiously wealthy and powerful people know we have royally fucked the planet and are currently riding the waves of luxury and carving out eventual safe zones for themselves for when civilisation collapses from the dramatic shifts in climate expected over the next 100 years.
The data for climate change is there also I recently visited Mer De Glace in France it is terrifying how much that glacier has shrunk in 30 years and personally it is hard to be a denier after being there in person and yet really fuck all is being done to hold this off.
I'm pretty convinced that hitler escaped. It just doesn't seem possible that he died in 1945 and we have no proof either way
dgrace97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weed is illegal to keep for profit prisons full, which keeps the owners richer which allow them to give more "donations" to the politicians willing to ruin people's lives for a profit.
H1N1 (swine flu) in like 2012 was a government tactic to distract the public from... something. I know because I faked having it to get out of school. I felt totally fine, but when I went to the doctor she SUSPICIOUSLY quickly diagnosed me with it.
Keep in mind it is super expensive to go up there and there isn't that much to do once we are there. We have pretty much done all we need to and aside from the novelty of having a man jumping around there we can just have drones do everything for us. USA beat the Russians in the space race and now that's over there isn't much of a reason to show off anymore.
I get that it is awfully suspicious but when you think about it there are plenty of reasons why we haven't been back.
acideath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting there was nothing but a pissing contest. But there was more than one moon landing, there were 6 moon landings. So they did go back, 5 times.
Going back now isnt really needed or warranted until we are ready to set up bases there.
I'd say donald trump didn't win the presidency and only got in cause of russian meddling but that's more of an obvious fact than a conspiracy at this point
That the US government knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor and let it happen so they could enter WWII.
Watched a show on History channel or something that detailed all of the different radio intercepts that we received that told where the Japanese fleet was and where they were headed.
There's a book called Day of Deceit that puts all the info together to show FDR engineered the attack
vayyiqra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe the vast majority of conspiracy theories (and I enjoy reading about them, so I am familiar with most of them) but I find it plausible that Vladimir Putin orchestrated the apartment bombings as a casus belli for the Chechen war. Dude is shady as fuck.
Oh, and he tried to meddle in the 2016 election, but that's not even a conspiracy since Russia was barely trying to hide it.
thudly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump & co. are actually robbing the country blind and using all these apparent political bungles and faux pas as a massive distraction. Everybody's horrified at his apparently stupidity and ignorance, but if we ever found out the full truth, we probably think he's a genius.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk exactly what the conspiracy behind it is but the fact that after the U.S. killed Osama Bin Laden they dumped his body into the middle of the ocean, under cover of night, then offered little to no explanation. Then if I recall correctly, a few weeks after he was killed a Chinook with something like 16 special forces members (including those who killed Osama) randomly goes down killing a bunch of them. It was all too convenient. Obviously the government was tying up loose ends. But why?
I believe modern schooling is woefully inefficient, with the majority of teachers capable of being replaced by pre-developed lesson plans, cheap online courss, or having their curriculum phased out altogether.
But no politician or journalist wants to be responsible for the loss of jobs, or 'attacking schools.' So it gets a free pass. Everyone knows a teacher, and doesn't want to hurt people they know.
Putin and Trump are in a homoerotic relationship, Putin calls Trump daddy. They make sweet love to Careless Whisper by George Michael.
baliball ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:48:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the towers were destroyed by a professional controled demolition on 9/11. Not the "inside job" nonsense, but that all sky scrapers in nyc, and possibly the world, have "self destruct" charges planted at time of construction. This is to allow safe demolition in just these circumstances. Could you imagine the towers just burning for days and weeks, collapsing slowly ontop of everything else.
crusoe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:36:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trade center was designed to pancake down it's concrete core just for this reason. It was designed to fall down not over. The architects admit it and are happy it worked. No charges needed. Once one floor collapses the mere weight of it falling causes the next and the next....
baliball ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:26:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then theres the opinion of a few demolition experts who died shortly after interviews saying it was a controlled demolition. Yours does seem more reasonable of a theory. I just prefer the fiction of those fire fighters sacrificing themselves to trigger the self destruct and save the city, over just wasted lives in a sensless tragedy. Also it utterly stupifies the "truthers" when you throw a crazier conspiracy theory than theirs at them in response. TL:DR I concede you are most likely right, but only if you concede you are definitely boring.
No way...youre telling me the religious sect that is also an ethnicity, killed its own kind to win over the sympathy of the world? Who were granted their 'homeland' as an apology? Who now have an automatic anti-Semitic response to anybody questioning motives? The most who own corporations/banks/media?
I say I need facts, give me some history books to read wait...who owns the most of the publishing outfit?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely believe we never went to the moon. I understand there is a metric (imperial?) fuckton of evidence that says I'm wrong but I just can't believe it happened.
I also question 9/11. I don't know what I believe is true, but I don't think that those planes brought down those buildings. I kind of hate myself for even thinking this.
1) If you don't believe in the moon landing, do you believe people went to space at all in any capacity? What about the Soyuz program, or the Space Shuttle program? What about astronauts currently on the International Space Station? Do the doubts involve astronauts landing on the Moon only and come down to things like computer technology or the Van Allen Belts? If man were to successfully land on the Moon or Mars today, as is planned in a few years, would that do anything to change your mind, or would you still be skeptical of those accomplishments as well?
2) How do you counter the fact that we literally have telescopes powerful enough now to see the actual landing zones on the moon from Earth, right down to the flag planted on the moon and the footprints of astronauts? Granted, you can't do it yet from your backyard, but it's quite easy to bring people in to major observatories to view this live in real time. Given the impossibility of any type of control over a situation like that, how could it possibly be faked?
1) It mostly has to do with the technology at the time. If someone were to walk on the moon tomorrow, I would believe that that happened. I don't doubt that we put men (and monkeys and whatever else) in to space at the time, but I just can't wrap my head around getting man on to the moon and back safely based on my understanding of the technology available to them. Also, the fact that putting man on the moon was so important and then we just never went back? It doesn't make any sense.
2) I feel like you're asking me how digital images could be faked and that seems like it's a question that answers itself. I don't necessarily know how those telescopes work but I assume it's a digital zoom lens (more or less?) and not optical, so the digital images that they're showing could be altered.
Well, let me see if I can address some of your questions.
First, if you can launch a living person into space and get them safely home, it's not that much more of a stretch to get them to the moon and back. Certainly propulsion isn't the issue, because if you can get to space, inertia will carry you there and back. Computer technology WAS a big issue, because computers in the 1950s were huge, usually the size of a room. A big portion of the budget went to computer companies like IBM that worked on miniaturization, until they managed to produce the world's first computer that was a around the size of a milkcrate. While even a modern non-scientific calculator has more power today than that computer, it was incredibly powerful at the time. The actual computer program for the Apollo rocket has been declassified, and you can go online and actually look at it. You can literally go through line-by-line and see how it could run everything, and many computer programmers have gone in and done just that. Remember that the creation of this miniature computer by IBM would be commercialized after the end of the Apollo program and helped to create the entire modern PC industry. Nobody doubted the power of the home and business computers created just a few months and years later. As a comparison, the computers on the Space Shuttle (which we think of as far more advanced) also were incredibly primitive, with the equivalent of only about one percent of the power of an XBox 360. The entire spacecraft ran on just 1 megabyte of RAM!
Now, why didn't we go back? There are two big reasons. The first was expense. At it's height, the Apollo program was a HUGE portion of the national budget. Every single Apollo rocket cost billions of dollars in today's money, and the money spent on development was incredible. A program of that magnitude simply could not be sustained. Remember, we went to the Moon several times, not just once. Secondly, the reason we didn't go back was that it was believed the next logical step before returning to the Moon was to create a reusable space ship and a space station for near-Earth research. This was the Space Shuttle program. It certainly had a number of huge successes, but it never really became a cost-efficient way to get to space. In fact, it was shown to be substantially more risky than just using reusable rockets. In the meantime, companies like Space-X have managed to bring the costs of getting rockets to space down to just $133 million dollars per flight, so this has become a vastly more affordable way to get to space. That's why it's now being pursued for the Mars program. (By the way, the first manned test flight for that spacecraft is coming up in just a year or two.)
Now, with regard to telescopes, you're right, most telescopes now work on a digital zoom. However, so do most modern television cameras. It's one thing to create a special effect for a movie, but imagine I wanted to create the appearance of extra players in a football game during a live broadcast. Could you do it? Possibly. However, it would take incredible expense and a huge amount of foreplanning. Now, could you do it in such a way that you could bring an amateur in to operate the camera and have them point it wherever they want, creating that effect live in the camera's actual viewscreen, and only at the appropriate time, and then do it from any camera in the world of that power simultaneously everywhere in the world? The answer then becomes no. If I were to walk in to any sufficiently powerful telescope on the planet, in any nation, I could see the moon landing site. For that matter, the Russians have taken photographs of the landing site and acknowledged the validity of the claim. Given the stakes and embarrassment this caused them, why would they concede this if it wasn't true?
That the Clinton's have their own personal hit team and that the list of peoples deaths and "suicides" of people who were digging into them and their charities is ridiculously long... There was a huge list floating around a while ago of people who died under mysterious circumstances who all were connected to the Clintons, either they were investigating them, we're planning on exposing them for something, people who publicly bad mouthed them the list goes on and on...
Also "all natural" doctors have been dropping like flies over the last couple years due to mysterious suicides and deaths!
Also this page was probably done by some alphabet agency
toekneeg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we have entered into some alternate timeline in which Donald Trump is now our president.
fitalt47 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:56:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really disappointed this isn't further up on the list... it's like, what more do people need to believe it was a false flag?? Just watching the towers fall is basically enough, then top it off with molten metal found in the rubble several days after. Umm, jet fuel doesn't burn that hot bro. Thermite does and the reaction caused it. God damnit, this topic gets me fired up, I'll stop there.
HKHunter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:43:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of it has been debunked, again and again. You just don't look for / read those articles. I'm always interested in conspiracy theories, most of them are cool, but I always try and debunk them before I start believing anything. In pretty much every case there are far more rational people offering answers to the 'evidence', especially for 911. Challenge me and i'll show you a more rational counter argument. Thermite, anything.
I agree the thing that makes me laugh is when people say it couldn't be true because it would mean too many people keeping a secret. Have people not looked things up and found out it has happened multiple times in the past. Maybe not as big but really doesn't mean it's not possible
fitalt47 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:36:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I don't think many people are covering it up. The beauty of conspiracies is that the best ones require very few to know and have malicious intent. For example let's say person x gives money to terrorist cell y and tells them how to hijack a plane and fly it into a building in X's country. Only one entity would have to keep quiet and many would work in their interests and be complicit without knowing/understanding the full grasp of what they are involved in.
bruce656 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:33:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fitalt47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MKULTRA was hidden for years without it getting out.
By the time the gulf of Tonkin incident was brought to light it was too late.
Obviously I am in the percarious situation where I can't show you any conspiracy theories that were kept secret.... because well..... that defeats the purpose ahaha.
It was exposed during the first few weeks, a majority of the US believed the attacks came from within. It was thanks to "WMD" that the general public shifted their focus to the Middle East. Nothing we can do about it since its in the past, but false flag operations remain a real thing (and probably even more so)these days.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it was carried out by the CIA, their job is literally "to do terrible shit and tell no one about it..."
bruce656 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your conspiracy theory bullshit nonsense becomes a lot more convincing if you don't mix up 'there' and 'their.' ๐
When did people start talking about the moon landing being a hoax? Does it matter if something is revealed if it is labeled as crazy by 99% of the media?
Yesman69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So about the amount of time such a secret could be kept secret - according to the math based article posted by u/bruce656
Lupusam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that the biggest evidence that the moon landing did happen is that there's no way the Soviet space program could have been fooled with a fake film and a dud rocket, so either they were in on it and the number of those needing to keep the secret is vastly too low or Russia worked out it was fake and never said anything for no reason.
Yesman69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By that math you are correct, but by all the other math and evidence that proves we did go to the moon. There is far more evidence to prove that we did, than there is to prove that we didn't.
Kaiern9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are there really any comparable situations? Give me an example of two please, seems interesting.
Kaiern9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, interesting.
fitalt47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure man.
My personal take on conspiracies is just to know what the government is actually capable of. For some reason before researching the stuff that I did I just assumed they were always benevolent but the world just isn't like that.
There are people that will shoot you in an alley for 500 bucks (arguably all of us if pushed to that point), but there are also smart and benevolent people working in the government that do nothing but strive to help others and lead courageously.
People are people and people run the government so as long as people themselves are capable of conspiracy so is the government.
Kaiern9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a mature and realistic viewpoint, and i find myself agreeing.
Paladar2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot more evidence pointing to Pearl Harbor being the result of months of careful planning by the Japanese Navy, combined with negligence from the US Navy.
Yesman69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In fact, one would say that there is only evidence to point out that it was an attack carried out by the Japanese navy, and only speculation to say that it was a false flag.
How the fuck did I know ordering this post by controversial would have this on top. The worst part is even if something happened to indefinitely prove that the 911 report was BS and massive cover-ups happened, it's been long enough to where people won't care. I just will never understand how so many people can put so much trust in an organization run by people who are dishonest and greedy by default. Fuck is wrong with people.
fitalt47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's another conspiracy theory.
3rd parties vote manipulate to propagate certain narratives here, on youtube, etc.
Yes nice quote but isn't it just as delusional to believe everything your told ?
I mean look at historical conspiracies that came out as real, such as mk ultra.
Pretty sketchy precedent set there that the government isn't your friend, so why instantly debunk future sketchy events ?
Why is one more plausible than the other ?
I would say the government secretly practising mind control, is on the same level of wtf, as a flat earth.
Only difference is one was proven, and one wasn't .
I'm not even trying to say that the flat earth theory is true, I'm simply stating that if you can't trust the government in one aspect, why can you trust them in any other aspect
Yes same principle applies, how do you know for sure the earth is really a globe ?
Not saying I'm a flat earth believer, but me and you have no evidence to prove it eitherway, other than what we have been told by government approved sources, I.e NASA
No ofc not NASA Is one of the government approved sources though, which is the type of sources I'm assuming you believe, which is why I mentioned it .
There are alternative sources that give evidence to support the flat earth theory also, so I fail to get your point.
But your missing my point though
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the type to believe in conspiracy theory but the conditions that allowed 911 to happen just seems so unbelievable. Almost all of the fighter jets the air force had was unavailable in one day and the terrorists managed to choose the same day to attack?
Before 9/11 there were barely any fighter jets available since there was no threat.
You are comparing their presence during 9/11 to it's consequential increase in numbers.
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By unavailable, I meant they were all sent out for exercise and the ones on standby had no live ammunition. The 2 or 3 jets they managed to send was desperate enough to consider sacrificing themselves by bringing the hijacked plane down with them. Of course we all know they did not even manage to reach those planes in time. The entire country did not have a SINGLE jet on standby that could deal with any form of threat from the air and saying that is out of the norm is an understatement.
By unavailable, I meant they were all sent out for exercise and the ones on standby had no live ammunition.
As it was every day before 9/11 for decades. There was never an aerial attack and no need to waste money on a potential one.
If it literally happened any other day before 9/11 the deniers would have the same "proof". This means that the air force was not involved at all since it didn't do anything out of the ordinary.
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That simply can't be true. An Airforce of a first world country does not have fighter jets on standby for scrambling?? What's the point of having them then?
Even if there were many fighter jets and hundreds of people ready 24/7 it would not have helped.
The terrorists simply turned off the transponder and could not be located. And since nobody knew what was going on nor where they were flying towards they were impossible to track.
Many people take the changes after 9/11 for granted but simultaneously forget what caused them and how it was before.
Passengers could go into the cockpit during the flight and talk to the pilots. Take a guess why this isn't possible anymore.
I am surprised no 9/11-denier hasn't said that American Airlines were involved because it was easy to access the cockpit...
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a 9/11 denier. It happened but it was enabled by the authorities that made it possible. Otherwise, it's impossible for them to pull off such an attack.
It was plain obvious that forces within its own ranks purposely blocked, hamstrung, and prevented the military apparatus from carrying out its most basic defensive responsibilities.
If you truly believe that then no amount of logic is able to change that.
Good luck.
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically it was logic that made me questioned the '''truth'' presented to us.
The Germans civilian refused to believe their government was massacring the Jews in the second world war because they simply could not accept their government is doing something so evil. The clues were all over the place but they chose not to see them. The same can be said for people who doesn't want to address the glaring holes in the ''truth'' that was presented on 9/11. How could anyone sacrifice a few thousand lives to further their political agenda. It's not like it was done multiple times throughout history.
What do you have to gain from such blind loyalty to the government? Do you forget that the the government is made up of people. And people can and do lie?
I think religious conservatives are secretly in charge of Social Justice Warriors because the things they want to ban are almost exactly the same. They're just using different arguments to ban the things what they want to get rid of.
Back in the fifties it was called segregation, today we call it safe zones. Conservatives wanted to ban all forms of media containing violence, sex, and bad language because it was immoral and sinful. Now SJWs crusade to complain it's all triggering, misogynistic, and hurts feelings. Back in the fifties conservatives were greatly upset over Elvis because they didn't like white people singing what was seen as black music. Now it's cultural appropriation is being used to arbitrarily kick white people out of other cultural influences. Now, SJW's are even arguing sexual preference is not just biological, it's an ethical choice, just as conservatives used to argue years ago when they wanted homosexuality to remain criminal.
And the added bonus is if it all backfires and goes to hell, all that happens is they successfully sabotaged the same youth culture that successfully opposed conservatives in the past.
IamBili ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes, groups that are diametrically opposed to each other, like hardcore religious conservative and SJWs might have some "Apollonian" or "Dionysian" features in common, even though they have used different ways to develop such features
Because of such differences, some of such features are hidden from society while others aren't . For example, the bizarre sexual degeneracy of many SJWs would be shared by certain religious conservatives, but unlike SJWs, they make an effort into hiding that feature of their personality from public eye
I genuinely believe there is life outsideof Earth and that Bigfoots and other mythical creatures are a strong possibility. Now, I am a skeptic but if you sit down and watch ancient alien theories it makes a lot of sense. And the fact that the US has a Space Military is definitely frightening. Why make a Space Military if there are no threats. The governments have the ability to cover up whatever they want really. Human life is so simple but once you think about all of the weird shit that happens, you really get an expansion to your spectrum of what life really is.
WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7 were bought down by controlled demolition.
Despite having been struck by planes (except 7 of course, that was struck by debris) they were all deemed stable after the impacts and each collapse was reported as being due to a fire based scenario. So the first three steel framed buildings in history to collapse as a result of fire, all fell on the same day.
They all collapsed straight down, through the path of most resistance, each into its own footprint. The collapse of number 7 is absolutely indistinguishable from that of a controlled demolition.
Molten steel was recorded on each site by reliable sources, even though the official report is that the fires burnt at a maximum temperature that was only half of that capable of melting steel, about 1370 degrees Fahrenheit, whilst steel melts at 2750 degrees.
Research by the US Geological Survey as well as by RJ Lee found heat signatures three and four times that of the reported maximum temperature (USGS found 4753 degree temperatures present and RJ Lee found temperature signatures of 3180 present) Such heat would be impossible to achieve by the burning of jet fuel but would make the melting of steel inevitable.
FEMA's research found holes in steel beams which they described as having a Swiss cheese appearance. Their report is of a severe corrosion to the steel having occurred, something the New York Times described as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is one of my own making, but I believe that the New England Patriots dynasty is 100% fake, and can be attributed to 9/11.
It's actually hard to follow football due to how strongly I believe this to be true. To me, football is now akin to wrestling. It can still be enjoyed, bit you have to accept that it is staged.
Edit: forgot the WHY- all the evidence is there
the cheap shot that "injured" drew bledsoe
the tuck rule??? Bitch, please.
tom Brady beating the greatest show on turf with a team of nobodies? Yeah, right.
"oh shit, now that we staged a victory, we have to make it look real!" Two more in three years. Goooos, don't arouse suspicion. Even keep the scores close! Only have them beat Jake Fuckin Delhomme by 3? Wtf the Sisters of the Poor could have put up more numbers.
ok, the star is set a decade later. Let's have a Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin type feud and make it top news for an insane amount of time. Ah, shit, nothing coming up.... oh, I know, let's say that Tom Brady under inflated balls! No one can go back and actually verify, and it won't be seen on tape, it's the perfect crime! And then we will give a silly punishment so that when he stages the LARGEST COMEBACK IN SUPER BOWL HISTORY BAAAAAH GAAAAAWWWWD the viewers are going to love that shit, a throwback to the good old days when the dynasty began.
And WHY DID IT BEGIN?! What could the NFL and America POSSIBLY HAVE TO GAIN FROM STAGING THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS BECOMING A DYNASTY?!
Simple: oil.
Bush needed American support for a second term. HE needed support for Shock and Awe and the invasion and mobilizing troops. He needed America in Iraq and the best way to do that was rally America behind one hero- how symbolic that the Patriots come out on top after 9/11! What are the odds!!!!
Well, when you write the story they are pretty fuckin good.
Edit 2: bledsoe was removed because it would arouse suspicion if he was all of a sudden talented. They had to remove him with an "injury" to put in a backup, who no one could vouch for or against. The perfect crime.
Jan-Sch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why kill a guy when he hasn't even leaked anything when you can just fire or prosecute him? Why hire a hitman which is a lot more trouble than just prosecuting him? How did they know he leaked anything yet? Why is it leaked posthumously? Why hire a shitty hitman that doesn't even finish the job and runs away? Honestly a lot of things don't make sense while a robber getting scared and killing his victim and then fleeing happens all the time. And yes a robber would leave not taking everything because who would want to be searched to be found in possession of the stuff of a murder victim?
Also people keep saying it's supposed to be a warning but then why make it look like a failed robbery? Who does that warn beside regular people to look out for robbers? People wouldn't guess that a nobody being killed in a robbery was actually killed by the DNc for leaking.
_dudz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:25:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming he didn't pass the files on to wikileaks before he was murdered...
My theory on Western involvement in the Middle East. I think that Western leaders have concluded that the ME is hopeless. They have realized that the only way peace (and therefore business) will be had in the ME is through a series of violent, conclusive wars. In order to keep their hands clean and their wallets full, Western powers have decided to simply flood the ME with modern weaponry (hence Obama + Trump's weapon deals with known Terrorist funders Saudi Arabia) in order to propogate war until one side has decisively conquered the other and created a stable state capable of contractual, consistent business with Western powers. Just a theory, but it neatly explains why both dems and republians are still supporting Saudi Arabia, US and Russian involvement in the ME and spark of the Arab Springs, Sadam Hussein and the Gulf War, etc.
TLDR; The psychopaths running the Western world just want the ME to kill itself into a stabalized state so they can do business with them.
Bifidus1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While this is plausible, how do you account for them letting millions of Muslims into Europe which will absolutely destroy what we know of Europe in the next twenty years? How does the loss of Europe benefit Western financial interests?
My thoughts are that this is an attempt to intigrate the ME population into Western society so that after a few generations they adapt to Western culture.
I don't think the EU is doing a very good job of this however, and are instead adapting to ME culture- or so I have heard.
Although considering how recent this has been historically, it's too early to call whether or not this is being handled well.
It is also important to realize that having an influx of cheap labor is good for markets, so there's a benefit.
We are adapting to muslim culture, but we are not converting which is how it often seems perceived in the states.
We accept the presence of Mosques and most food industry companies providing halal meat. We understand the importance of prayer, Ramadan and Eid (even if we don't understand what they stand for), we - in the most part - have objection to hijabs, burka, veils. We're accepting and understanding this culture existing alongside our own but we are not losing our identity because of it.
Despite the above we still work against forced marriages for example. I don't understand why there is this fear of Europe becoming Islamic or adapting to accommodate Islam. Did New York become Irish or European after the immigration influx there? No, it simply assimilated parts of Irish culture into its own to the benefit of everyone.
Bifidus1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a few generations they will be the majority. They are already out breeding the native Europeans.
It is definitely not being handled well.
Cheap labor is good for markets. However, a large percentage of the migrants don't work, they just collect from the respective governments social programs.
Thanks for your response. I'm going to leave it at that because I don't want this great thread to devolve into a debate about Muslom immigrants.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last night, I had a gentleman who said he was an ex-Army guy and worked 30 years for the federal government and close to the CIA. He shared information about the JFK assassination. I've never researched or bought into any conspiracy theories. He said with confidence that one of his secret service personnel shot him through the head. Jack Ruby was asked to step in and shoot Oswald because JFK was frequenting one of a head mafia dude's girls. And secret service recovered JFK and flew him out of Dallas before an autopsy can be done in Dallas to prevent Oswald from being exonerated based on information that would have been found. I'm not saying I believe anything he said, but he sure believed it.
NyanDerp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frojuice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon is an artificial satellite. Having geosyncronicity, perfect eclipses with the sun earth based off distance, the fact we never went back. When doing sonar testing the moon rang like a bell. We have yet to find another planetary satellite that is as unique to our planet as our moon. Also it's composed of a lot of hydrogen 3 which is a known highly efficient fuel. Larger leap here, it is an alien spaceship housing extraterrestrials.
10leej ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ISIS was created by the US Government and they are the "moderate" rebels we've been arming and training in Syria.
WAWDoing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain and made it look like a suicide before he could change his will. Never believed it before but I watched this documentary on Netflix and had me convinced in just 5 minutes. Shot gun's the wrong way and Courtney Love bulldozes the greenhouse/crime scene a week later, sketchy as Hell.
That the WTC buildings were brought down by nefarious means, other than the official story that the jet fuel from the planes caused a fire so hot it compromised the structural integrity of the building.
There are many to choose from regarding 9/11, but the one thing that is certain is a bunch of Saudi's and their planes did not bring down all the buildings and the at the Pentagon.
Eh? No 911? 3 buildings explode into dust that blows all over Manhattan for a day, collapse into thier own footprint at an impossible speed, through an impact at the top, Multiple witnesses attest to many explosions including emergency services, and that is just the start. Anyone care to find a picture of the plane from Pennsylvania or even the pentagon?
DD225 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Seahawks did not want Marshawn Lynch to make the drive for the touchdown against the Patriots in the 2015 Super Bowl because he would likely receive MVP.
jokemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was not what we think it was. The bush family was friends with the bin ladens and got them to do it in order to make lots of money for companies in the US and overseas. Also, it was a nice way to build some new buildings in NY.
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the towers were full of asbestos insulation, which would have cost a fortune to remove.
The Fluoride Deception presents a very convincing argument that fluoride is a known toxic waste produced by the aluminum industry which is too difficult to keep from seeping into our water so they funded dubious scientific studies to convince people it promotes strong teeth. The US government signed on because fluoride was needed to enrich uranium which was critical for the Manhattan Project.
crusoe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:33:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except fluroapatite is stronger than normal tooth enamel... It's both harder and .or resistant to deminerlaization.
People who grow up on well water with low fluroide tend to have softer teeth and more dental problems.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erdogan staged the coupe against his own regime. It's just too convenient, and he had used it as an excuse to fire and imprison tons of gov officials in the judiciary, military, police force, etc. Then the referendum came to practically make him a dictator.
This will get me tons of shit from many Turks, but I just know there's gotta be lots of people who think so too but just can't express it out of fear
I don't think many people are arguing that the collusion caused him to win, and I doubt that anyone who voted for him would even entertain the idea that they were swayed by false information from a foreign govt (cognitive dissonance and all that). That being said, there is a fair amount of evidence publicly available that suggests that they at least tried to get support from The Russian government, and I would wager a good deal more that hasn't been disclosed yet.
LdouceT ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of things wrong with that. First of all, its not a conspiracy theory. Second, none of the reasons you gave say anything about whether or not he colluded with Russia.
True, but he did establish why he probably wouldn't need to.
Actually his points are all directly related to the collusion...
The first Russian collusion possibility is the fake news incident. A fuck ton of people were affected by the Russian fake news spike in the first week of November. The articles which said things like: the Pope was fully supporting Trump and Hillary kills puppies for fun (not an exact article title but it was something absurd).
Weirdly enough the question of whether the Russians affected the election has been answered for several months now. They are just trying to figure out who from the Trump team (if anyone) paid/supported the fake news flooding.
The second current Russian collusion possibility is the tampering with election systems in certain states. Allegedly, no votes were changed but the authorities were looking into votes being deleted or "not counted correctly".
Tldr: Trump colluding with Russia: out in the air. Russia helping Trump with the election: confirmed in some capacity.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:00:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we're living on different planets. Fake news is directed towards trump (who repeated he was a racist, Anti-semite, misogynist).
Hillary Clinton was the most terrible candidate of all time, almost objectively. When Trump spoke at his rallies, it was hard to believe he was not genuine. There were barely even any people at the dems rallies. Yet, the mainstream media would always lie about how horrible trump was and how decent Hillary was.
There is absolutely no evidence of collusion else we would have the information shoved down our throats. They don't want Trump to help the country, neither do you apparently.
what makes you think hillary was "the most terrible candidate of all time"? (genuinely curious)
LdouceT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we're living on different planets. Fake news is directed towards trump (who repeated he was a racist, Anti-semite, misogynist).
I'm not so sure how fake that is.
Is he racist? Debatable, but he's certainly expressed some racist opinions.
Is he an anti-semite? Probably not, I haven't heard anything to really suggest that. And Jared Kushner seems to be okay with him.
Is he a misogynist? Again, I personally haven't really heard anything to suggest he's necessarily a misogynist... buuut he's certainly expressed some pretty disgusting opinions on women, especially for someone who holds the presidency. Misogynist may not be the right word, but reports of him being sexist or expressing vile opinions of women are certainly not fake news.
NyanDerp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:42:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mean, you're right, but it would be more of a conspiracy to believe that he DID collude with Russia to win. It's got a lot less proof than your stance.
Seth Rich leaked the DNC emails and he was killed for it. DNC bigshots colluded with the media to invent the entire Russian narrative as a cover-up and as a way to try to take down Donald Trump. The amount of data taken could not have been sent through the internet at the speed at which it was stolen which was approximately 30 MB/sec but a flash drive could transfer data at roughly that speed.
Wait... There are people who don't think Bin Laden wasn't just a CIA-plant? Do you think the war in Syria is because Assad is some psychopathic dictator and not because he's the only independent figurehead in the Middle East, too?
Actual conspiracy theories are hidden by governments and various bodies hiding them by paying people to promote the seemingly sound and on the surface reasonable theories.
The origin of conspiracy theories comes from people discrediting the Watergate scandal.
Also Syrian government doesn't have chemical weapons but rebels use it on themselves to sound good so he international community can feel good about making a good Vs evil narrative.
sslee12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Harvey Oswald was set up
tri-trii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Royals killed Diana.
AnnaEd64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pokรฉmon is somehow following/watching me. Every time I try to text something to someone with the word "Pokรฉmon" it won't send. It only sends when I delete the word.... anyone else getting this too? I know I'm not crazy.
I have a hard time with the official story about 911. Two planes and three buildings come down looking like a controlled demolition. The only truth is that the passengers brought down a plane in PA. That plane was not going to DC, it was going to the third building in NY.
Korb10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if anyone has mentioned 9/11? I'm not sure what I believe. I'm not trying to start a war in the comments but I've watched a few documentaries that are particularly interesting.
That the government already has a list of all gun owners in the country, where they live, and a list of what guns they likely own.
Target could tell a girl was pregnant before her own father knew based on buying habits, and many phone apps (Facebook especially) stalk you so much they have to hold back info on directed ads so it doesn't seem as creepy. Any government would salivate at the ability to have that kind of detail in a database for all their citizens. The gun thing would be pretty minor in comparison to what they could reasonably do already.
That my thoughts are being read, probably something to do with having a family history of schizophrenia (not like I'll ever admit this anywhere else ๐๐ป)
Here's a forum conspiracy I know: Shane and a few people have created sockpuppet accounts which masquerade as real people. An acquaintance and I have been going through the various pieces of evidence that this theory is real.
They killed Reagan to help get W in the Whitehouse. Reagan had Alzheimer's disease, quality of life was suffering, it tapped into the Republican base in an energizing fashion and reminded ppl of certain demographics what they considered better times politically/economically, etc.
I called it several months before it happened within window of about a week (with witnesses). Then it happened.
Not certain it is true but certain it could be true: you (or me in this case) are the only real person. Everything and everyone else is a figment of your dreamspace that you can't escape from. The laws of physics were all made by your subconscious and the world makes sense because of course dreams make sense.
You literally could never prove it wrong or right.
That Marcus Morris played in place of his injured brother Markieff in the NBA playoffs this past season. They're identical twins and have matching tattoos. THEIR WHOLE LIVES HAVE BEEN LEADING TO THIS POINT.
That this question being asked on a weekly basis is purposeful and not the result of OP not searching to see when (and how recently) it had been asked. It has to be since even a cursory search would make all the previous ones pop up.
Why is the same thread question being reposted every other week with the same mild, uninteresting, and repetitive answers at the top? Is there some social conditioning going on?
Stop with this same question I've seen it so much recently
Ciphtise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm somewhat convinced that governments(and everyone else with power) use books, movies, tv shows and so on(speak: fiction) to cover up real things,at least sometimes
Aliens and government, ancient aliens. But honestly I don't see how you could consider them theories there is too much evidence. JFK for sure. Definently 9/11. Princess Diana. Hitler didn't die in that bunker. Jimmy Hoffa. Pope John Paul. And Pearl Harbour.
Religion only exists to prey on the weak. It fills a need in the human psyche and convinces people of a higher being. At least some of the money they take ends up in charity...
Look it up, there's multiple instances where he unnaturally seems to catch things like a falling mic, know who's standing behind him before they introduce themselves, etc.
Maaz-A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay
Remarkably, frogs actually use their eyes to help them swallow food. When the frog blinks, its eyeballs are pushed downwards creating a bulge in the roof of its mouth. This bulge squeezes the food inside the frog's mouth down the back of its throat.
Maaz-A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1.) He had enough drugs in his system to kill an elephant.
2.) He loved his daughter and wouldn't leave such a horrific last image of himself for her.
3.) HE WAS WEARING SHOES!!!!! How the hell would he pull the trigger with his toe if he had shoes on???????
Raghavcm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube listens to conversations and then suggests videos.
I had a lengthy discussion with my boyfriend a few months ago about handwriting and how his is not very good honestly and then that night in my recommended videos I got like 3 different videos about improving your hand writing.
Also, I bought a used car, I didn't look up any videos about cars, and then a few days after I bought it I kept getting ads for car shops and O'Reilly's and shit. I can't think of any other examples right now but this crap happens all the time
escyeph ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:40:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've thought about this.. sometimes I also talk about things, but never type them in, and a few days later, look at that, it's either recommended on Amazon, or recommended on youtube.. it's entirely possible, and really not that hard I'd imagine.
Oh for sure, as does Amazon. My girlfriend and I started drinking Perrier flavored waters (mind you this is the first time Ive ever typed this into any keyboard), we buy them at a local store. Ive never searched for or had reason to google them. I get ads for them all the time. Almost positive its voice recognition ad spying.
I'm convinced that politics is a smoke show with a divide and conquer ethos behind it. Its why both sides of our political system amount to things like good bills dying for partisan reasons, government shutdowns when congress can't agree fast enough, and news that focuses on the most extreme left and right wing populations. Corporate donations influence the choices of many politicians on a much greater level than you or I writing to the governor's office could ever hope to.
Apple is paying the Snapchat developers to include less features and slower updates on Android as a scheme to sell more iPhones, as Snapchat is one of the most widely used apps of all time on both platforms.
osm0sis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone interested in talking more about plausible, non-debunked conspiracies is welcome at /r/ConspiracyHypothesis
ktsb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a compound on the other side of this nursing home i used to work in called archives. It's pretty big but i never saw anyone go in or out of that place. I started walking the fence and noticed a hole to get in and the next day i saw cars parked around the compound and suddenly people do work there and the fence was fixed over night. So i started wearing black scrubs and went out there to "smoke" and had a look around and noticed some cameras got put up. A few days later now there is a security guard that drives around every hour. Idk what was up but i bet that if i hadn't left that line of would i would been arrested for trespassing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruno Mars is actually Michael Jackson. I was high one day and it kinda makes sense
Organ donors have a statistically lower average lifespan than non-organ donors; I.e. volunteering to be an organ donor adds you to a list of candidates the government will "hunt down" in order to harvest their organs for politicians and shit
DoctOct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Olsen Twins arent actually twins. I dont know how many of them there are; probably between 1-8 just not 2.
Flatezer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government has a car that runs on water, and they cuz then we'd only drink beer!!!
Not one theory in particular, but I do believe in the general idea that there are western politicians in the world who've killed and blackmailed a great number of people to get to and maintain their position.
More of a ''I believe consiparacies of a certain kind exist'' than a ''I believe X conspiracy is true'' but I hope this is in line with the topic.
I fear fiction might be confounding my judgement. Unapolagetically reprehensible people seem far more likely in fiction than in real life. In Real Life people tend to hate hurting others as a general principle. Yet, it seems to me that if someone wasn't troubled by hurting others and would do it in order to advance his role, then he'd have a better chance than those that wouldn't. So if anyone like that exists and wants to be a high-ranking politician, that someone has a higher chance of being a politician than someone with more normal moral compass.
So it seems reasonably likely that at least one such person would rise to power in all the western world. Although the fact no such conspiracy has been discovered in my recent memory is troublesome for my theory. Yet, the recent discoveries of politicians involved in sex slave rings and pedophelia reveals how far governments go to save the face of their politicians.
In the end, this seems more like a ''I attribute about a twenty percent probability that there exists such politician'' which is actually quite a lot. After all, most random theories with no evidence whatsoever like mind-readers existing, would have infinitesimally small probability.
Certainty is something I reserve for tautology. Like ''If the color of the sky is blue then I'm certain the color of the sky is blue.'' You can't really be certain of anything else. Specially not conspiracy theories.
That schools and history teaches us that the first advanced civilizations occurred only about 2000 years ago . But there is overwhelming evidence that there was 1 if not many advamced civilizations that happened atleast 10k years ago.
We have a pretty prominent religious group in our home town, apostolic christians, and they used to be much more influential in the town before more people came in and naturally moved away from a conservative town. However, back in the day one of the elders of the church started a masonry business. That elder was also on the town's governing bodies. Well, "to make our town prettier" they passed a local regulation that required all new construction of houses to have brick on the front of the house. Coincidence? I think not.
The RNC put all their support behind Trump, because no matter how bad he could ever be (knowing full well he is a joke and incompetent) anyone they ever run in the future will seem moderate and more likely to serve as a politician. Causing people to possibly sway away from independent or Democratic to the Republican ticket
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there's definitely some shadow government stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. I think the Illuminati/New World Order is just an extremely overblown version of that theory, and the real truth is that there's more to politics than politics. I mean, corporate lobbying pretty much proves that there are strings being pulled all over the place, possibly in ways people don't realize. The Danny Casolaro case helped convinced me of that. Despite being well-known for his fear of blood, he supposedly committed suicide by slashing his own wrists, and this was after multiple threatening phone calls and him telling his brother that he (Danny) would probably be murdered soon. All of this centered around Casolaro's Octopus, which was basically his term for a shadow government conspiracy. Also worth mentioning is Jim Keith, who examined Casolaro's case and also ended up dying after predicting his own death in a similar way.
I dunno, I just can't shake the feeling that there's some shady shit going on in the background that ranges from crooked to downright spooky.
I'm convinced the Board on the Federal Reserve is still functioning as a quasi- private venture that does not take orders from the government. After 2008 congress demanded to see their records. Federal reserve said "no"
Let that sink in
I (half) believe that the number of people in the world is exaggerated and that whenever I go to a big city, there's a shadowy secretive organization to queue up huge crowds just outside my range of sight and then direct them at me in opposition to whatever heading I'm on. Going uptown? Crowd is instantly repositioned three blocks North and sent towards Battery Park. Change my mind and heading back toward the museums? Crowd does a quick change around the corner and goes back the other way. All designed to make it look like the City is densely populated.
These are also the same people responsible for filling the subway trains that stop and/or pass the station I'm at, so as to give the illusion that these commuters are actually going somewhere, when in fact they get off at the next station, change clothes & makeup, and then go back the other way (until I join a set of them on a car, in which case there's another agency responsible for making sure people get on and off on what appears to be a reasonable frequency).
By my estimate, there are really only about 6 million people in the world. That's enough to maintain the illusion of a fully populated planet and get in my fucking way every damn place I go. Seriously, Mysterious Shadowy Organization- let's just get it all out in the open. I'll leave you alone. You get your fucking people out of my fucking way. You'll have that many more to do whatever it is you do while you're not screwing with me, and I'll be able to walk from Piccadilly Circle to Leicester Square without bumping into ten thousand "tourists" and "locals."
serosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a form of solipsism... You should see a behavioral therapist.
The bilderberg group has a major impact on american politics and god knows what else. I don't know how or what they do (and I'm usually the guy mocking conspiracy theorists) but they somethang screwy hurr
Trader Joe's makes their parking lots small on purpose to make themselves seem more busy than they actually are!
Kraft bribes the FDA to out experation dates on their products. Mayonaisse doesn't go bad it only becomes miracle whip. That's the miracle. That extra tangy flavor is called patience.
Source:Kyle kinane
saskskip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler escaped Germany after the war. When you look at all the other Nazis that got out is it so hard to believe the top dog would have an escape plan.
Lan777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The curse of the undead was perpetuated by the gods and Astora's tale of "the fate of the undead" is propaganda
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Bill Cosby still count as a conspiracy theory?
Alex Jones is actually a mild mannered Croquet enthusiast who spends his time off camera reading about and collecting a wide variety of moths and butterflies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We never left God. I have no internet so I can't explain how I came to this conclusion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That if there was a cover up in the JFK assassination it was to cover up the involvement of wither the Cuban or Soviet governments to avoid possible nuclear war.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen to draw us into WW2. That is the reason the flattops were not in the harbor.
chowel29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took a class centered around the JFK conspiracy, and there are too many evidential holes for me not to believe SOMETHING doesnt add up there.
The moon landing. Filmed on a stage, during a time when the US absolutely NEEDED to get on that damn moon to establish dominance. Nobody has set foot on the moon since.
The NBA has rigged lots of shit in the past. Multiple draft lotteries have been rigged to make sure star players go to big markets, and games have been rigged. Look no further than the 2002 Western Conference Finals. If you're in a business that depends on viewers in big markets watching your games, who do you want representing the West in the Finals: Sacramento or Los Angeles?
danman2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Fox News, the alt-right and Russian trolls spread lies about Seth Rich's murder to intentionally distract the American people from the Trump Russian probe.
JFK basically wanted to not use Silver certificates, or silver as any monetary function but replace them with Federal Reserve note, which are backed by gold. This was a speech he was going to give in Dallas...
Mondelli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Bohemian Grove
And Russia is secretly doing shit to make both sides of the political isle in the United States go at each other.
Mars once had some degree of life. Why? Because it's goddamn red. Rocks are generally red because the iron inside them has oxidized. Thus far, we know Earth's oxygenation was caused by photosynthetic life producing it. We can see it in the rock record with banded iron formations.
So at one point Mars had an atmosphere with a lot of oxygen, enough to color the rocks. Thus far the only good mechanism for that oxygen getting there is life.
Journalist Michael Hastings death#Death) in a car crash was no accident. I believe there's a good to fair chance that it was remotely hijacked. However, we'll never know.
That 9/11 was an inside job and that it is very unlikely that some cave dwellers on the other side of the planet with a few weeks of alleged pilot experience were able to execute one of the world's most deadliest attacks on the most protected airspace on the globe.
Also, many cover ups and deception from both government and media twisting stories or outright lying regarding the official story.
I can go on and on but this is just a scratch on the surface.
I believe Alex Jones is a shill instituted by someone. He makes up the most ridiculous conspiracy theories. Since he also proposes some valid concerns as well, the real conspiracies are discredited by virtue of association with the "gay frog" level conspiracies.
I didn't believe Instagram was listening to you, however, I was discussing a place I had traveled to with some friends. I pulled my phone out to show the pic of the particular destination, and when I opened the app, it was the first thing to show up, and I posted it months ago.
Advanced intelligent extraterrestrial life exists and had been playing since role in human development for an indeterminate time anywhere from recently to the last few thousand millennia.
TWA 800 was shot down accidentally by the US military.
Explosive residue was found on the wreckage, in 3 separate places.
Multiple eye witnesses saw what they describe as multiple missiles approach the plane and then saw the plane explode. Multiple eye witnesses, who are completely unrelated and in various spots to view the incident, all made similar statements and described a similar event.
The wiring that was named the caused the explosion was never recovered.
Several NTSB investigators have come forward and stated that FBI agents on scene purposely blocked them and prevented them from seeing particular parts of the wreckage.
Various airline pilots have stated that there is no possible way the aircraft would have behaved or been able to fly in the way the official NTSB animation shows.
Bill Clinton imports fuck loads of coke into the US. Hillary's law firm saw a lot of business while he was President. Business that other firms would have been better at. Easy place to cook the books.
I don't know if Creationism counts, but I am willing to believe it. I'm an Evangelical Christian and a life sciences student, toxicology major, so I hear a lot on both sides of the coin. I want to believe my religion as literally and truthfully as I can, but there seems to be a mount of evidence to the contrary of some of those beliefs.
Also, I am, like many, painfully aware that the government, to some degree, is definitely monitoring most of the things I do. However, for the time being, I am not worried about people knowing my life.
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creationism isn't a conspiracy, it's just stupid and demonstrably wrong about every claim that it makes.
Wait, now I'm confused. It's stupid to believe that God created the world? That's the basis for several different religions, including mine. Why is that stupid?
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there is literally zero evidence. At all. There are no tests that the claim "magic invisible fairy X created everything" survives. Every truth claim made by any religion or holy book (which are the claims, not the evidence) can be proven completely wrong with even a rudimentary understanding of science.
Then why is anyone ever encouraged to believe in any kind of religion?
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low standards of evidence, cultures of ignorance that sprout up around religion, fear of the unknown, perhaps even genuine belief in something which is just flat out wrong.
Gods i wont articulate this well on my phone. Govt allowed pearl harbor to happen so we would enter the war. No American wanted to goto war before that happened. The axis had not one single interest in america, infact we could have sold supplies to japan to make a quick buck.
If i remember there was something about all or best ships were sent away on drills a week before the attack so what we lost was not that much. If i sound heartless i am not being so remember we also experimented on the tuskegee airmen and sacrifice a shit ton of japanese American lives to save a few white guys. We are perfectly okay with acceptable losses.
This oddly enough is why i dont believe 911 was a set up too many were lost for it to be a setup. If it was just the pentagon then i could see it.
Jimi hendrix, kieth moon, and berry Oakley all faked their deaths and now play as mariachi band in a small cantinas all over the the western coast of cuba.
Early electric/hybrid cars were intentionally created with the ugliest frames imaginable, to poison public perception on them.
scothc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oswald, a CIA operative, is told to be at the book depository, where he was earlier told to get a job, for x reason. Jfk gets that boo-boo, and Oswald realizes he just got fucked, so he runs. He doesn't know who he can trust, and needs time to think. In the meantime, whomever actually ordered they hit (i think gov, but it could be CIA, FBI, even a rogue military upset over the bay of pigs) puts out Oswald's info. Oswald has an encounter with and kills that Dallas cop (tibbs? I can't remember). The Cop was prob in the dark as far as the conspiracy goes, but how is Oswald supposed to know that, and does it even matter? Later that day Oswald gets arrested. Who knows what was discussed in that Dallas interrogation room since it was never recorded. Jail records show a outgoing phone call to a guy in (South?) Carolina who just happens to be a CIA agent. He claims no one called him, btw. Oswald gets moved, says he's a Patsy, and some mid level scuzzball who shouldn't have been in that garage kills him before any incriminating information can be recorded coming from Oswald's mouth.
The beauty (or horror) of this is that only a handful of people really knew what was going on. The majority of actors are taking information received on good faith and acting accordingly.
Most conspiracy theories are promoted to hide the real conspiracies. Even the term "conspiracy theory" was a conspiracy to devalue any legitimate claims of prevalent conspiracies.
It's worked well: I think they're all bunk, including these.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Danielle Jonas (married to Kevin Jonas) faked her first pregnancy for god knows what reason. I came across this article and thought it was the usual garbage celeb gossip but I am a true believer now.
I made a post here on reddit expressing sorrow at the death of an NPC in dark souls, a few days later I read a 'top __' list about unexpected 'feels' moments in video games and had that exact NPC. While I have no doubt other people have been distraught by the same event I can't help but feel like I inspired that entry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not he was even in on it, Lee Harvey Oswald was not the gunman that killed JFK. There is no way someone's head violently jerks backward after supposedly taking a bullet to the back of the head.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the amount of money allocated to the federal healthcare budget is capped without yearly increase from now on. The pie is divided each year into smaller pieces for more providers, more hospitals, more patients.
There has been pitched to the hospitals that by following an arbitrary set of quality measures that don't actually define quality like electronic medical record utilization, they will be rewarded by premium reimbursement rates while less invested facilities are penalized for noncompliance plus or minus soon to be double digit percentages.
The EMR costs a fortune, and secures higher reimbursement, but allows limitless agenda pushing from the top down to the end of allowing intentional slowing healthcare delivery.
In a world where the reimbursement rates only change by reinvesting profits, joining larger organizations or perpetually increasing volume to cover overhead will be the only way to secure profitability.
Having a measure of control through the EMR with the imposition of time wasting measures empowers a legislation of the rate and thus the overall cost of care delivery. Its actually more of an observation than a theory, because it is already widely practiced and the model of healthcare in the current year in the U.S.
The ultimate end is plausibly to stop entrepreurship in the healthcare industry and just marketing and scaling up well reimbursed taxpayer funded services which is ostensibly a good thing. It forces clinical integration and rewards it, but more in theory than practice. The large systems say they are doing an awesome job, but they really aren't truly clinically integrated networks, they just do all the paperwork and pay the site surveyors and they all pretend like the low impact metrics they follow matter to get all the checkboxed ticked off to get the designation and the maximum reimbursement rate from the government.
elyze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 9-11 conspiracy, is a government conspiracy. I have a relative that was a civil engineer in NYC when the bombs went off in the trade towers in the 90s.
Basically govt incompetence is why the towers went down the way they did in 2001. It's why it looks like "jet fuel can't melt steel beams." The govt didn't bomb the towers in 2001, but their idocracy and lying in the 90s made them go down A LOT faster and in such a way that it looks like they bombed them. When the conspiracies came out, and the engineers wanted to come forward and say "no, the port authority are just idiots, not malicious." The port authority and HRC basically threatened their lives to shut them up, because an evil govt is better and less believable than a stupid one.
South park was actually very accurate.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wars in the middle east have been going on as long as they have so the west can sell them weapons and ammunition. The war on terror is big business.
Trump and his children have used illegal Russian oligarch financing to support worldwide real estate transactions: the Russians launder the $$, the Trumps get the use of it as collateral, as debt service, etc. The Kazahkstan deal is only the latest.
Stories about Trump campaign/Russian contact are just a gloss on the first idea: KGB compromat on Trump leverages sabotage of Clinton. Implicit promise: a compromised Trump will make nice later on.
The fucking illuminati. You can't tell me Beyoncรฉ, Jay Z, Rhianna, Kim Kardashian, Kanye, etc. aren't in it. Look at Rhianna's newest album and watch conspiracy videos about it. All of it is fucking true.
That Tijuana Flats intentionally dribbles beverage down the side of their cups... I don't know why they do it, but there is nooooooooooo way they ALL do it by accident.
Not sure if it's exactly a "conspiracy theory" but Jon benet Ramsey was murdered by her parents. There are too many weird discrepancies (pineapple, war and peace of ransom notes matching pattis handwriting, the discovery and moving of the body) and the DA at the time had a history of making deals with murderers and rapists. Granted boulder PD totally FUCKED the case but you don't call your lawyer and try to escape in your plane while your daughter is still "missing"
Ive heard that theory too and he's definitely weird. Also, his visits with the child psychologist were very interesting. Normally children who are around a home invasion or have had siblings die are afraid for their own safety or worried that the bad guys will come back for them but he just wasn't. Also he was heard on the 911 call when he was supposedly asleep but strangulation? I just don't know if a 10 year old would be strong enough, or if something happened and John later strangled her to finish her off what happened? But everything about patsy and Johns behavior was just incongruous with their story and there's just too much evidence pointing to the fact that they absolutely knew what happened to their daughter.
Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain. Forensic evidence does not point towards suicide, but cops didn't try too hard for "just another heroin addict rock star suicide."
The first moon landing was faked. The key word is first.
Russia was winning the space race, hands down. They had more manpower, the first manned orbit, lots of volunteers. Their tech was rough around the edges, but they were making progress. The US was still doing tests and training, making steady (but slower) progress.
So they cheated. Rigged up a moonscape on a stage, fired off a rocket, and made a big deal about how they finally had it all figured out. One small step for an actor, one giant leap for Democracy. And while the guys in Mission Control were patting each other on the back, NASA now had the breathing room to figure out how to do it for real.
Absolutely believe Michael Jackson was dead BEFORE his "This Is It" tour was announced. His death was announced during the production of his comeback tour so that publicists could end his legacy on a positive note & attempt to overshadow his tarnished image. That is absolutely not MJ giving his "final speech".
The universe is a simulation. I don't mean that it's a simulation running on some computer is the real world. It goes deeper than that. You could simulate it on paper with enough time. So it's just some really complex math. So why bother working it out? The universe is just a mathematical equation. The equation describes every point in time and space, everything that ever has been or ever will.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lobbyism.
Sometimes it appears to me as if people didn't realize what lobbyism actually is, and think that it just didn't exist. As if they thought that lobbyists would just be normal people who just contact the politicians in the same way as voters could and try to convince the politicians by mere arguments.
That Secret Service Agent George Hickey accidentally killed JFK after Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to do so. The presented evidence makes the most sense to me.
I can't imagine how Hockey dealt with the act and cover-up, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
James Earl Jones killed MLK while working part time at 7/11.
Michael Jordan's 'flu game' was actually a case of hangover. They said he had flu-like symptoms and was sweating a lot, which would suggest an infection.
They would never had let him play with an infectious disease, risking other players getting sick too; especially the opponent team would have filed a complaint. If the real reason was food poisoning then they would have just said that, instead of officially clearing him to play with a condition that could be spread. The personal trainer said, in 2013 (why wait so long?) that it was a pizza delivered by 5 guys and that he got a bad feeling about it, but they still let Jordan eat it (conveniently the only one who ate it). A personal trainer letting him snack on pizza the night before a crucial game?
tlowe90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being a sports person myself, why does it matter if it was a hangover? Was it against nba rules or something?
It shows his unprofessionalism, of going partying before a game day. Some others commented that he was forced to retire due to gambling issues too (I'm not sure about that one). But MJ was a role model for many, the flu game was (is) considered an iconic moment of how much sacrifice he was willing to make to win, etc. Being hungover was just bad press so they covered it up with flimsy explanations.
They add chemicals to high fructose corn syrup in order to control the populace, mainly through compulsive spending. The more HFCS we eat of it the bigger the urge to spend money. That's why it's added to everything, even things that don't need sugar. It what makes people buy seasonal crap at various times of the year, because those holidays are also high candy sales, full of HFCS.
Captain Sullenberger intentionally and needlessly did the emergency landing in the Hudson Bay. As I recall, he helped write the book on emergency water landings and was nearing retirement without his theory validated. After he hit the birds the tower cleared the air space for him to get back to the airport and instructed him to do so, but he declined and insisted on landing in the bay. I think he knew that he could make it back to the airport for a conventional landing but decided to land in the bay to polish his sunsetting career.
Lex88888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people have heard of operation paper clip, but I think the version the public got was just a peep hole sized view of a much, much larger undertaking. We not only took the scientists from the nazis. We took everything Russia couldn't get to first. Their entire spy network, all of the high level SS officials, doctors, engineers, the high command. Fucking everything. And then Truman took all of the loot gathered by the Germans and Japanese during the war. Put all together valued at around 100 billion in 1949 money...... and created a black budget that could be regulated from which these Nazis now working for the USA could use to keep all their cutting edge experiments, spying, occult research etc all going with out any oversight by congress or anyone else. The idea being that the USA would now benefit from the gains in technology and medicine and intelligence they made. Except it didn't work out like that. These highlevel Nazis planned post war assimilation into the USA in order to keep all their advancements going the moment Hitler ordered operation barbarosa. Once in the USA all of these Nazis kept in contact with each other and the sleeper factions in south america and formed secret societies. By the time we realised that they had been putting in a puppet show all while preparing a break away civilization with tech 300 years more advanced then anything NASA has today.
acideath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really in to the whole NWO global depopulation thing but the worlds economy is controlled by the Rothschilds.
Trump owes big banks a lot of money. Big banks realize trumps worth more to them alive than dead so then had him elected as president. Look at how banks and the stock markets post trump inauguration.
Wow, this is fucking lame. How about the 2006 NBA finals, where the refs called egregious fouls on the Mavericks which allowed the Heat to win the series. Not as easily proven with a poop stain, but obvious to anyone who watched every game of that series.
How about the fact that the US collaborated with Nazis? MK Ultra was a known project to incorporate Nazi scientists, including Mind Scientist (aka incredibly cruel bastards) into our own government, albeit with the noble goal of keeping them away from the Russians. Sometimes I wanna give Reddit the finger.
Whenever the top comment of a thread has a million replies where you have to scroll forever to reach the second original comment it's because people don't want you to get a different opinion.
MLK was assassinated by the government & Jesse Jackson was a spy. Snipers on the rooftop of the motel King was staying at had orders to "kill the person wearing a tie." When MLK stepped out onto the pathway of his motel it was all over.
ctn0726 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OJ Simpson killed Nicole and her friend but he had his friend Al Cowlings be there to witness what happened. OJ then took off that night for Chicago leaving Al to get rid of the knife and other pieces of potential evidence far away from that part of LA.
alex3omg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The enemies in fire emblem heroes always aim to kill your guy that has the exp or sp. The one you really really want to live, even if it's a bad play.
jrozn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hinckley killed Reagan. Jim Hinson is hired to make an animatronic Reagan that can be operated by Nancy. Week Reagan leaves office.... Hinson dies mysteriously
A couple of years ago while i was in the UK the Channel Tunnel was shut down for unspecified maintenance reasons at least twice, i think maybe even three times in a month. More than i'd ever heard of before or since. I dont know what was going on in there but it wasn't maintenance.
Also, im sure the CIA or NSA are the ones making a variation of this thread on a fortnightly basis so they can keep an eye on what we know, what they need to cover up better and what they're covering up well.
Having listened to many interviews given by Tom Grant, and examined the evidence he provided...I dunno, man. Courtney Love is just the kind of crazy to hire a bargain basement hitman.
The designer and found of the city museum in St. Louis was murdered and was not killed in an accident. Blame points to a group targeted his son earlier that year, it was probably a robbery gone wrong that was staged to look like an accident. The attack on his son seems like someone out for information. I'm pretty sure everyone in and around St. Louis knows this one.
A) Crack cocaine was created by the US government to put down black communities. It's a fact that the war on drugs was explicitly about punishing black and latino communities, so It isn't that much of a stretch.
B) China is secretly trying to become the monopoly of manufacture at the expense of having super low wages because they want to cut It out all in one day so the world turns to communism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how this turned into a bunch of people sharing their own personal conspiracy theories and but actual theories that society collectively shares.
OC_maybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The neo nazis are here in force because we're being distracted from what's going on with North Korea.
Source: I'm drunk at a bar.
Edit: or maybe the other way around.
OC_maybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're fucking dumb. Don't you know incompetency reigns supreme in today's day and today's age!
OC_maybe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:48:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To say that it he government is "incompetent" is just saying that what they do isn't important. You're apathy is wasted on your crispy millennial asshole.
OC_maybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the song "Rhinestone Eyes" by Gorillaz, the part where they say "E-Electric -tric -tric -tric" they're actually saying "I-I like big dick big dick big dick".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry if someone said this but I didn't see it... Courtney Love KILLED Kurt Cobain. I am positive. It was something that was not on my radar until I watched the documentary Soaked in Bleach. She did it and she got away with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Operation Mockingbird never ended. The CIA still controls much of the media.
I believe that in EA FIFA games and FIFA Matches, the commentators drop a few rhymes to keep you subconsciously entertained. I've been noticing it for years now and have been planning to make a compilation out of it.
Troopx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The war on vaping. Why? Special interests. $$$. A disruptive technology that is scientifically proven to be a better option gets nothing but fear mongering and junk science from the media. #ABillionLives.
Better option says who ? It's like the flashlight of the smoking world. Sure it's a nice novelty every once in a while but it's a poor imitation of the real thing.
If all you know is te flesh light of course it's gonna be great, as well as if you are trying to give up the real thing.
P.s. It's not any healthier for you, we have limited short term studies based on perfectly manufactured juices and not the crap which people actually make and sell and the science comes in at roughy as bad as cigarettes, less lung cancer is offset by higher rates of heart disease and stroke. Once we have people who have been gaping for 20/30 years and have never smoked then we can actually start making comparisons.
Troopx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:06 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really tell me, and the hundreds other other that I personally know that have quit smoking by vaping, that it's a novelty. It's a more successful method than any current NRT on the market.
PS- Your science is flawed my friend. Flavored PG and nicotine in a vapor vs. combusting tobacco with an abundance of carcinogens is a no brainer. Your TV is wrong.
We don't have any studies which follow anybody for more than about 2 years of use. Which means we don't have any studies which follow PG or VG for any longer than that . Name one study which follows a group of people for more than 10 years. We have hundreds of studies which do this for cigarettes.
Nor do we have studies about all the various flavours.
Yes it's a smoking cessation tool, and I'll give it that.
Troopx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:29:49 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the "harm reduction" part. I don't care what your theories are, as I'm anecdotal evidence that a 20 year, 2ppd habit could be crushed by vaping, when all else repeatedly failed. That's harm reduction. After over 6 years of not smoking, and using a smarter delivery method- I feel great. Yes, anecdotal evidence. There are millions of us anecdotes.
Studies? We have Nic, pg, VG, and even some flavoring studies. Long term will be coming in. We can look at studies that have been done on each component to make an informed decision. It's not really rocket science when you look at both the limited ingredients, and delivery method of vapor to know that it makes more sense than burning tobacco that includes 100's of chemicals and many carcinogens.
"PG has been used as the aqueous-based chemical additive in asthma inhalers and nebulizers since the 1950s, with no serious side effects known. PG, because of its water-retaining properties, is the compound of choice for delivering atomized medication. It is also a common diluent for injectable medications, constituting 40 percent of the intravenous form of Phenytoin, an anti-seizure drug." http://www.ehow.com/about_5499611_danger-inhaling-propylene-glycol.html
Etc., Etc.
We have a technology that IS saving lives, and making lives better right now. If you were a slave to a 20, 30, 50 year habit of smoking- and can finally quit the combustion and tar and carcinogens as so many have- why doesn't that make sense? Harm reduction. Period.
Yeah sometimes I wonder about motivation. If you're a talented enough digital artist to make that believable, wouldn't it be worth it to put your name on it, and be all "check out this cool thing I made"?
I guess website traffic pays well and people are bored so...
Chrenen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certain it's true- I'm just not 100% clear on what it is. The routes that Google Maps/Waze give you aren't always the fastest ways, but they actually take you through specific routes. To what end? Maybe to make sure you pass by certain stores or maybe so you don't drive down certain well-to-do neighborhood streets. I've talked to Lyft/Uber drivers and they've noticed it too.
Or.... shorter routes mean less gas, so the oil companies would definitely have a financial interest in giving drivers slightly shorter, but not the shortest routes.
TJPrime_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been a believer that there is more to the titanic story than meets the eye. It hit an iceberg and sunk? This is a steel ship. Surely an iceberg alone couldn't penetrate its skin?
Originally thought that maybe the ship was sabotaged. The Germans had a hand in building the titanic but I think there was some disagreement/argument between them and the Irish workers about something.
Now there's the theory floating around (sorry) that the titanic we know is actually the olympia. The olympia was damaged and the owners wanted to claim insurance, so they sunk it but disguised it as the titanic while the real titanic sailed as olympia for many years.
NopePopi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I truly believe politicals and some GREAT people controls our nation because I watched too many TV series and movie.
Koovies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That there is a hidden construct that controls everything globally. It just seems too chaotic and stupid to stay held up. .Trump, nukes, Russia having power, middle east target practice to appease them, North Korea vying for nuclear strength to keep their power fantasy going and their people illusioned..I could go on. .I mean this isn't just how everything naturally fell into place right?
I believe reptilian shape shifters live under the White House and control the world because... why not? Oh yeah, also because Donald Trump is in office
The navigation app Waze actually sells ad space and takes drivers nearer to the businesses that pay better. So all these "time saving" side turns are really so I get in the proximity of this business in order to be hit on the app with their ad. Also businesses can pay more to divert traffic away from their competitors locations.
I believe the Royal family killed princess Diana to stop her from marrying that Muslim man. If she would've married him then they'd have a Muslim in the royal family, and quite possibly having Muslim offspring. Thus tainting the royal family as both the pure blooded leaders of the UK but also the heads of the church of England.
I've had the feeling that MatPat from The Game Theorists does cocaine for a few months now. Started watching their live streams amd he acts almost exactly like my addict buddy when he's on the stuff. I've also noticed that his mose seems red and irritated quite often and that he rubs or otherwise touches it a lot. Maybe he's just a wild and crazy guy? Maybe he just needs the rush to plot out those ridiculous details? Maybe I'm a fucking idiot? Who knows?
I think this is a stretch only because there's so little to go off of. He may just have allergies and his character/personality on camera may just be abnormally hyper. Cocaine need not apply.
There's a theory out there that the internet as a whole has evolved a massive, nearly all-knowing AI on the deepest level of the web. Accessing and observing data flow on this level would require complex quantum computing technology, which we do not yet have. Some claim that an AI on this level is manipulating the global flow of data to such an extent that it now controls the direction of our entire society.
Sounds like a bit of a stretch, but accidentally creating our own god is a hell of a hypothetical.
Sibito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About that guy in San Francisco who knew the police were watching him because of his class in society. So heโd be easier to pin crimes on and that the police were actively doing that to lower class citizens.
He knew the police were watching him so he set up a security camera and could see them (not on camera) literally watching his house. The footage on the camera was gone from that and another time when he thinks they went inside his house, about 4 hours of footage just wiped clean.
He posted about it on an online forum not knowing it could be fracked. Few days later he turns up dead after being stabbed multiple times and his house lit on fire. They said it was a suicide. Okay.
Btw this is all off memory so the details might not be right.
Stocks go down only as soon as I invest in them. Even stocks that have been on a consistent climb for the past 2 years suddenly crash when I invest and never recover. It's quite the superpower, honestly.
Kaoshosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That governments bomb and kill their own people to strengthen their power positions.
The Turkish coup, the Putin apartment bombing, 9/11. All of them were planned by governments alongside the mercenaries they hire and call terrorists.
Reddit exists primarily as a paid tool to push website traffic. It's owned by a billion dollar media company and I don't see Reddit Gold as being enough to pay for servers, staff, rent, utilities, accountants, lawyers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe cold fusion could've worked as some of the experiments resulted in successful energy production but were mostly inconsistent and some failed altogether. Just the fact that at least one other source confirmed something akin to l.e.n.r. was occurring suggests it would've been worth thoroughly investigating. It also seemed that since the process didn't fit with the established views of the laws of thermodynamics (or whatever law it was) it was quickly poopoo'd on even though it could've drastically altered our energy needs.
Modern day governments are fronts for bank owners that fund the corporations of the world. Each year they consolidate more of the world under their control and they are trying to achieve a one world governance, with paperless money and tracking chips, etc.
Why? For obvious reasons. Once you have all the money in the world and can make more on demand for free, money becomes a means and not an end. Most people in this position seek the one thing left to challenge their desires, power.
How do I know? There is so much information at this point out there supporting this conspiracy that when I first heard of the idea, I spent over THREE YEARS (I was a singer for a political rock, Rage-Against-The-Machine type band) researching by reading books and watching docs, interviews, old footage, etc.
I guess if you want a good jumping off point to satisfy your curiosity then watch the Zeitgeist series (Zeitgeist, Zeitgeist Addendum & Zeitgeist Moving Forward) as each fact in these docs has references and going through their references on their website led me to a plethora of information.
Obviously with anything, pay attention to what your heart says more than your head. Misinformation is a tactic they use often and besides, most of these journalists and authors mean well but they are writing about a very scary subject and sometimes the message itself can get tainted with fear.
There's a person paid to ensure Olivia Munn is always on the first page of r/celebs . Other celebrities cycle through, depending on their activity (new movie, new photo session, in the news, etc.) But Olivia Munn consistently tops the subreddit even with years old reposts.
Scazzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Republican party really wanted Trump to win so that going forward every future Republican candidate will seem far more competentant and moderate compared to Trump and easily win elections.
djexpat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my armchair conspiracy theorist opinion but the death of Osama Bin Laden. If I remember right Obama announced his death during his re election campaign, and how did Zero Dark Thirty come out SO SOON after his death? Also, where's the body? Did it really get thrown in the ocean?
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i remember this controversy.
to be honest, i think dumping the body and making it non recoverable was the best.
it wouldn't have mattered what happened with the body it would have become a physical martyr for so many.
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, if what happened to Mumtaz Qadri (hanged for the murder of a liberal politician in my country) is any sign, Osama Bin Laden would just have become a revered saint for the sick and twisted with regular pilgrimages to his shrine.
The Russians killed JFK. I have a cousin who worked for military intelligence around the time of the murder. He told me a few years ago that it was a matter of fact that they killed him.
That every single person with their finger on a nuclear missile launch button is part of an organization to prevent the firing of nuclear weapons. There are many secret societies working for the betterment of humanity and the number of incidents where nuclear war could have started is terrifying.
Stanislav Petrov was working at a ICBM detection station in the Soviet Union. The station had very recently got an upgrade and started warning of incoming nuclear missiles. Stanislav believed this was too much of a coincidence and chose not to retaliate. Even under direct orders from his superiors, he refused to fire back. Crazy thing is, that's not the only time that happened.
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as this is a wholesome conspiracy, there are some truly terrifying moments we came close to nuclear warfare. The one you mentioned is my second favorite. However, my most favorite (if you could call it "favorite") "we-nearly-screwed-up" moment comes from U.S.
A U.S. government phone line connecting an early warning system with the Pentagon melted, leading to communication loss with it. It was assumed that a strike had taken place, leading B52s locked, loaded and ready on the airstrips to go. Coincidently, it was an airborne (non-nuclear) B52 bomber that confirmed that no strike had taken place an the early warning station was indeed intact. I can't exactly remember the fine details but this is the gist of it. You might wanna search it further for further information. Cold War had some "oh-shit" moments when it came to nuclear option.
In the US we have a national "do not call" list but not a "do not mail" list. Why?
My conspiracy theory is that punishing junk mail would really hurt the post office, while punishing telemarketing just encourages more junk mail which aids the post office.
So we kept junk mail and removed the competition. You can take it a step further with the "CAN-SPAM" act.
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but this one has always stood out to me. Also, I love the US Post system.
The Soviets did not steal nuclear secrets from the US. My mother's grandfather, a Soviet scientist, died of what we now know as radiation poisoning while the European theatre was on.
I believe there is already a NWO. (New World Order for those that aren't so conspiracy-experienced)
I like to look at it like a business or corporate ladder.
Owner----------------------------NWO "Owner" (?)
CEO-------------------------------NWO "CEO" (?)
CFO--------------------------Rothschilds (Bankers)
Board of directors-------------------------Illuminati
---------------Politicians in power------------------
------------------Governments---------------------
------------------Corporations---------------------
---------------------Media-------------------------
----------------------You---------------------------
In short, the higher you are the more information(+control) and money(+power) you have. Obviously, the taboo of even speaking of the Illuminati, tends to instantly discredit any conspiracy there is. But for shits and giggles, if they (the Illuminati) are "invisible", then THEIR higher powers are even more hidden!
Someone please argue this thought... It's a scary thought for me lol
I don't have enough confidence in the higher ups of any bureaucracy to keep something this big a secret for so long. They can't even hide a semen stain and they're supposedly part of a secret shadow government that discreetly controls the world?
I can never disprove the idea of the illuminati since it's unfalsifiable, but it's extremely unlikely
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know much about anything but I can present one weak little counter argument. Most humans, even in the highest echelons of society, are more focused on self-success and are just incompetent that the possibility of a spider-web of super rich bureaucrats at the top level getting richer is pretty low.
As an example, I'll take my favorite "Why the heck haven't we?". Simply put, why the heck haven't we landed successful colonies on Moon, Mars and beyond? Or why are we stuck in the undoing of our own planet? Because no one gives shit enough about anything long term to actually to do something.
If I seem rambling, just remember this. Most of the people have their own interests that conflict with others so they'll always choose their OWN interests over some over-arching Zionist pantheon of bureaucrats. Thus, no Illuminati or such can exist... and this is coming from someone who once believed in Illuminati a long time ago.
So by "richer" you mean the end goal for organizations whether it be money, power, land etc.?
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC data leak was an inside job and Seth Rich was likely connected to it.
Most recently, evidence suggesting the amount transferred in the period of time would not be possible via hack and confirmation that Seth reached out to Wikileaks.
Pylons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
evidence suggesting the amount transferred in the period of time would not be possible via hack
DE has personally removed all Argon Crystal spawns from my game, I've ran at least 10 void missions without a single fucking crystal spawning I just want my amprex pls
It doesn't seem super hard to believe that sexual abuse is way more common among celebrities and the government than any of them would have us believe. I mean, look at Jimmy Savile. I can't imagine that over the years nobody knew about that and just didn't feel like doing anything.
Governments are paid to promote low fat so that people have high cholesterol which the pharmaceutical industry profits off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the gist of this is generally true. govts keep us fat and unhealthy so that we are first of all easier to control and they can keep their pharma and agri friends happy.
MK ultra. The sad part is that we know this project actually happened because of a congressional investigation. Unfortunately we don't know much because we only got a tiny fraction of the documents after the CIA torched most of them
I'm slowly beginning to believe the theory that the yakuza are responsible for all of the garbage decisions Konami has been making over the past number of years.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO it was Seth, the Street Fighter character.
TamLux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Big conspiracy Theories (moon landings, princess dianna, sept 11 and so on) are made up to distract us from the more plausible ones (IRS targeting conservatives, ritchest attending some owl meet up, MK ultra plans and so on) and also to make some people very rich!
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please look into fact 3. It is absolutely true that cloudless nights are colder than otherwise equivalent nights (same time of year) when the moons cold light is obstructed by clouds
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:47 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the moons cold light
Um, light can't make things colder. That's physically impossible. It's a form of thermal radiation. There's no such thing as "cold light."
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:14 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you haven't done the obvious basic task of comparing otherwise equivalent summer (or any season really) nights, one with clouds, one with a visible moon. 99% of the time cloudless is colder. That's pretty strong evidence. If you held your hand over a stove you can tell it's giving off heat. If you look at the data you can tell the moon is giving off cold. Maybe it's not carried by light as you believe (but can't prove) to be "impossible" but the moon is cold. Period.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:32 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say cloudless nights aren't colder. They absolutely are. But it has nothing to do with the moon.
Clouds form because of evaporating ground water becoming vapor and rising into the atmosphere, condensing into clouds. In other words, clouds form because of *HEAT. When it's cold, *water doesn't evaporate, so clouds don't form.
Cloudless nights are colder because FEWER CLOUDS FORM WHEN THE AIR IS COLD.
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:25 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm impressed you didn't just jump to the typical "clouds are insulating" argument which is equally hard to believe considering the sun feels hot and moon feels cold
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:52 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I just explained, the moon does not feel cold. It's the air that feels cold. You are misattributing clear nighttime coldness to the moon.
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:24 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how you can be so sure I'm the one "misattributing"
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because this is basic meteorology. There's no scientific evidence that the moon radiates coldness energy. That's just nonsense. There's a very simple explanation for what you've observed, but for some reason, you refuse to accept it.
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also fact 4. The data is readily available from scientifically reviewed sources. Most mistakenly claim the water is just background from the atmosphere, but the other evidence is clear that it's actually the moon is water
drjallz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens exist and they've been here and all that jazz.
I'm certain that the evangelicals running this country are actively trying to bring about the End Times. Because there is no reason not to if you buy it.
gJonny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
frencln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
call me crazy, but the moon is a hologram, lmao. i feel absolutely stupid bringing it up.
golde62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a place called Bethel Park Pennsylvania (if you've ever seen This Is Us they mention Bethel Park as being the "whitest city on earth" or something like that) but I spent time moving between different pets of Florida and Pennsylvania. I went to school in Florida for 9th grade and I had a science teacher that was from South Park, which is literally neighboring Bethel Park. In her classroom she had tons of South Park stuff like photos of the clock tower and a map of South Park.
I'm 100% convinced she's never even set foot in South Park. I think she may be WPP, that I'm not sure of. She knows nothing about South Park and it's neighboring towns like Bethel Park. It seems like lines were fed to her about South Park. It was strange because that map that she had, had a border that was labeled Bethel Park and she said she had "Never really gone into South Park. She didn't know anything about the Sports teams that she seemed to be supporting (Pittsburgh teams)
I honestly think someone fed her that backstory and was like "you'll be teaching in Kissimmee Florida, you'll never come across someone from that area."
A few weeks before Wrestlemania 30, I tweeted out to Triple H and several others if we could get a cool new Daniel Bryan that shirt that didn't look cheesy (wouldn't have a goat on it, a beard pun, etc.; I just wanted a normal t-shirt for the dude). Triple H then favorited my tweet. Not long afterwards, Bryan debuted this shirt on television.
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:52 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic meteorology taught to you that you didn't go out and observe yourself as I have by looking at real weather data
Ok, so I have this theory my history teacher is the devil. Like, really. Full blown Satan. Now let me explain...
Let's call her R. She's a very unlikeable person, though she often pretends to be very kind. She will lure in new groupies by pretending to "parent" them and give them pep talks, even though they become almost zombies later on. In the halls, she knows everybody's name and will grab you and pull you aside to talk. As she greets you, her eyes do a weird flashing thing and she smiles -all teeth- and suddenly you're hypnotized. No matter what you do, you will always suddenly be glad to see her and cheerful during the conversation. As soon as she leaves, and her eyes do the flashing thing during the goodbye, you're left feeling awful. You'll feel hollow and slightly depressed. The people who love her with follow her every word and absolutely adore her- they call her "Momma R"- and will suddenly be taking their anger out on students who dislike her. She constantly gets in trouble for harassing students who dislike her, but she's never been fired. Almost like she has control of the administration...
John Lang was killed by Fresno Police. He predicted his own death. He had CCTV cameras all outside his home. Even caught an unmarked police van with the side door open and a man holding an infrared camera towards his home to see if John was home. In broad daylight. They were trying to rid of him because he was digging up the corruption within his local PD. He was found in his home, dead, with stab wounds and his house on fire. He's caught numerous people scoping out his property. Someone trying to get in his truck.
He was trying to prove the fact that FPD was going into a low income area and scanning license plates in store parking lots. Police would then follow those cars and pull them over and check the said vehicles.
That all if a President is born West of the Missisipi they have a greater chance of being impeached because Clinton and Nixon were both born West of the Missisipi
Bring on the down votes but Zionist/Jewish global control.
There are way too many signs for it to be just a conspiracy theory.
How does one people get kicked out of over 100 different nations over several thousands of years. How do some of the most prolific and clever people including Jewish people themselves come to the same conclusions?
-Bobby fischer
-Michael Jackson
-Mel Gibson
And the level of taboo the media creates over calling them out as taboo is absurd. I can talk shit about how many Russians Stalin killed, fudging the numbers, claiming they deserve it for living in that country, or saying North Korea is the 'best' korea all day long... and at worse I'd be historically inaccurate and an idiot.
But say something about the Holocaust and that's suddenly an arrestable offence?
Somethings not right here.
And we're not even getting to the financial control in terms of bank-ownership, and Rothschild's enslaving of entire governments.
Some of them are God's chosen people buddy. Christians might be grafted into their covenant, but the old vine remains, and an eternal promise is an eternal promise.
How many stories in scripture tell of the nation of Isreal, regardless of their state of devotion, being persecuted to the point of genocide, only to emerge stronger and more powerful in the end? How many Jews died in the Holocaust? 4 million? 6 million? So explain to me using man's wisdom and any comparable people on earth how that happens and the number of Jews in the world 50 years later dwarfs the number 50 years prior? And they ended up being moved back into their homeland and are literally being funded by their previous aggressors like the Egyptians packing their coffers before letting them go.
Hitler's people taking on the Jews was literally a bad move of biblical proportions.
So you're saying jewish people are really 'chosen'? I don't agree with op but I definitely don't agree with you either. It's all just politics and culture that paved the history of the jewish people. Take that last phrase as you wish i just wanted to say that you cannot draw modern day conclusions from a book written 2000 years ago because then that book would be magic and magic does not exist.
So you're saying jewish people are really 'chosen'?
Absolutely! Not all Jews are of the chosen people, but all of the chosen people are sons of Abraham. It's an eternal promise.
I'm not "drawing conclusions", I'm pointing out that modern day evidence is backing up a religion that is thousands of years old that explains the otherwise unexplainable story of the nation of Israel. It's like everything in the world, all other nations and people, have provided only evidence that they should fail and instead they prosper. And that's exactly what their God promised them.
The second statement is such circular reasoning I'm surprised you aren't dizzy. "A car can't go 0-60 in 3 seconds because that car would have over 500 horsepower and cars over 500 horsepower don't exist".
Yeah I don't think so buddy. It's your job to prove magic exists. Prove it, get your Nobel Physics Prize, and then we'll listen.
Also, you're overlooking the obvious. What's more likely :
a) Rich Jewish People were sticking up for their fellow Jews following the Holocaust, which, combined with Western guilt for what happened, and the intention of the British to let go of the extremely problematic Levant, led to the creation of Israel.
b)A 3000 year old book chock full of inaccuracies is true and a magical God called Yahweh/Allah exists and all other religions are false.
Qulijah ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 05:20:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its definitely true as fuck. Not every jew is a globalist player but all of them are jews.
Sadly people don't realize that you don't have to be a nazi to think these things.
Also on the holocaust, there's so much fishy stuff. Ranging from the capacity of the ovens not having NEAR the capacity to burn that many people and the fact that all the camps were at first "death camps" until US troops checked out about half of them and found that none of the ones they checked were deathcamps. The only camps that are still defined as having been deathcamps are the ones only Soviet checked. There's fishy stuff going on here and i truthfully believe holocaust was a false incident made up by soviets as a powergrab and a way to evade all critizism in the future for jews. Also, all of the main "playas" in Soviet were jewish.
Okay, so the source you post is a rambling vomitus of barely coherent claims with little to no verifiable evidence backing them up, it essentially only cites a single website (equally rambling) as a source for its claims, which itself only make wild claims based on "reasonable interpretations " of news stories or interviews. On top of that, it goes on to assert that the reason people are lying about it is because it Jews are afraid of white power. I have no problem re-evaluating my own views, but it takes a lot more than the dumbass claims of other conspiracy theorists to sway me. Give me an actual academic source. Give me an investigation. Anything from an actual, reputable, source and I will re-evaluate. There are so many volumes of information and publicly accessible records and survivor stories and perpetrator stories and hell, even psychological studies about how something like that can happen and how normal people can become sadistic fucks incredibly quickly. You've gotta have something better than nazi-sympathizers circle jerking each other to overcome the mountains of evidence that's out there. I would even give you that the numbers of the holocaust are likely not entirely accurate. I gave you (and others that upvoted) the benefit of the doubt by asking for sources for the claim, but the nonsense you've provided just backed up my original thought: you guys are probably the kind of folks that think the color of your skin or the random place you happened to be born mean that you are superior to others. I really want to rage and shout and scream and mock and ridicule, but I don't think that's going to change anything. I'm disappointed more than anything, and kind of scared that this kind of shaky reasoning is becoming the norm in the US where I live.
Qulijah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:03 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, you sound like a smart guy.
Another challenge for you, go read Culture of Critique if youre actually intrigued on this topic. Or you can see who owns every major company with control over what people think; entertainment, banking, media etc.
Anyways, im going to bed. Our paths will most likely never cross again so i wish you all the best โบ๏ธ
drpik ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way Trump talks, he uses phrases like "trust me," or "believe me," or "a lot of people are asking/saying," "that's what they say," and things like that to either emphasize that what he's saying is totally true without actually backing it up, or else distance himself from the source of the information (even when it's actually him) so that when it turns out to be false he takes no responsibility.
Often times he does both, so he's simultaneously totally credible and definitely not responsible if you've been tricked by what he said.
Funny thing, I never said that now did I? But instead of providing evidence for something the vast majority of the left believes you switch the topic to something completely unrelated. How typical.
drpik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I have no opinion regarding Trump's involvement with Russia. I mean except for that the Russian government paid its citizens to pose as Americans on the internet to stir up hype for Trump to try and garner his support. But that's not technically collusion so it's not really the answer you're looking for.
Mostly I was just trying to make a joke by comparing your "trust me" to his.
That the Sandy Hook shooting never happened. There's a ton of evidence that the school was never an established school at all. There were no children in the footage of the aftermath (when they should have been walking out of the building and staying put until they were ordered to leave). There were no bodies on the triage mats near the ambulances, the dispatchers from the area don't recall ever having a call to the school, and every person treated by an EMS squad needs to be taken to a hospital dead or alive. Despite that fact, no doctor in the area treated any shooting victims on the day it allegedly happened.
The other, more subjective aspects are that all of the parent vehicles look the exact same (black sedans) and that there is obvious tampering with the family photos that were shown after the "incident" took place. The father who gave the public address literally hours after his daughter was allegedly gunned down is seen joking casually with some of the other reporters/personnel. None of the children's death certificates are public domain, unlike literally everyone else's. So either the shooting never happened or they've got something serious to hide.
nb4 "HOW CAN YOU DENY THAT LITTLE CHILDREN WERE MURDERED!!!!", Pres. Obama passed multiple gun laws days after the incident took place, giving the government an angle.
Bonk_EU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what makes you think that? i mean why do you think someone would go through all that trouble just to pass a few gun laws? if you wanted to pass some of those laws would you think up something that could be a watergate-on-steroids for you?
doesnt it sound way more plausible that some psycho snapped and did something horrible and the government passed stuff to appear to be doing something?
No, because Americans love their guns and in order to take them away without a fight, you need to make the gun more of a threat by killing 25 little children.
Bonk_EU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:14 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but as i said why risk a scandal that could end you and even your party for that? as far as i know the only reason to take guns away from people is so that psychos and assholes no longer have them too (or at least have it harder to get them)
jnb64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Sandy Hook shooting never happened. There's a ton of evidence that the school was never an established school at all. There were no children in the footage of the aftermath (when they should have been walking out of the building and staying put until they were ordered to leave). There were no bodies on the triage mats near the ambulances, the dispatchers from the area don't recall ever having a call to the school, and every person treated by an EMS squad needs to be taken to a hospital dead or alive. Despite that fact, no doctor in the area treated any shooting victims on the day it allegedly happened.
Do you have any proof whatsoever for any of that? Proof. Like, undeniable physical evidence? Not just interpretation of news footage.
None of the children's death certificates are public domain, unlike literally everyone else's.
That's a classic "Shakespeare's signiture." Something that sounds fishy if you don't know it's common. (For those who are curious, Shakespeare rarely spelled his name the same twice, which seems like evidence that there was no real Shakespeare, or it was a group of people, until you find out that wait, the same is true of pretty much everybody pre-Industrial Revolution because literacy sucked.) It's not common practice to release childrens death certificates into the public domain.
famnf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:57 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shakespeare's literacy and spelling would have sucked? That's seems like a stretch. The average person? Sure. But Shakespeare could write, well, Shakespearean plays, but couldn't spell his own name? Seems fishy.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:28 on August 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every other famous author you've never heard of from the same era did the same. It simply wasn't common practice to even have a standardized spelling for ones name. Which makes sense since most people couldn't read -- there was simply no need for standardized spellings.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:38 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't think if the government wanted to whip up hysteria about children being shot it'd be easier just to, you know, shoot some children?
I mean, yeah, they do it all the time in other countries. But It's a lot less messy for them if the public does figure out that it's a hoax if it actually is. I mean, I don't trust the government.
Aiox123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, way too many things wrong on that one, another false flag event.
Aiox123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, way too many things wrong on that one, another false flag event.
MilkHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much of a conspiracy if youre certain it's true though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that osama bin laden never actually existed or died a long time ago. like we are suppose to believe that some secret special fighting force just suddenly found him in some complex in islamabad. but they have no evidence of him. and no pictures of him before he died. and that his body was just thrown out to sea. that's why they don't have it. oh, and they say some funny story about him to make him look like a hypocrite "haha he was watching porn when we found him". also does nobody find it weird that they would photoshop a picture of a spanish politician's face onto his face. oh and right as they announce his death they leave iraq and afghanistan. like wtf, how is that not suspicious af?
I received a small letter in my mailbox about how there will be planes spraying pesticides and to not worry, it was on a half sheet of paper and looked extremely unprofessional yet it was typed out and from an unknown source.
Weeks later a guy comes into my work talking about "Chemtrails" and how his daughter got sick out of not where and died due to the government, he reminded me of that crazy guy who rants about aliens so I kind of put it off rolling my eyes in disbelief.
Weeks later I kept seeing plane after plane with a thick contrail which got me laughing at the entire theory.
The next week I got another letter in the mail to not be cautious of the amount of planes spraying pesticides in the area...
By this point I'm starting to get curious and I look up chemtrails online and see lots of posts from people who live in the Wisconsin area close to me reporting suspicious activity.
The next month I started having respiratory issues and was diagnosed with Asthma at age 19...
If all these events didn't stack up all at once I probably would put off the Chemtrail theory but I won't deny it has me pondering if this is some way for the government to control our population...
9/11, duh. Absolutely an inside job, wtc7 was demoed without a doubt. The two twins were too but well pretend "fire" brought them down to keep all you boot lickers from freaking out.
The world we know is a sophisticated computer program. The best evidence is that you can find articles on any topic on the internet, yet I've never met anyone who actually has written any articles.
I'll go with Oswald not acting alone, though. I think when he said 'patsy', it certainly had some substance. I've lately thought that maybe Oswald was tapped to fire a warning shot only. Unbeknownst to him, there was a crew of real snipers in the area to take the kill shots. There's been some new files that came out, and some others on the way, but it'll likely be a bunch of -Redacted-. We'll never fully know how things went down.
Who wants to be a millionaire, old and current version. 50/50 is 'randomly selected' Every time I watch and the contestant has it narrowed down to 2, the remaining 2 answers are the ones they had it down to.
Companies that make sunscreen are paying people to indirectly shill their products, hence the recent influx of Redditors stressing that everyone wears sunscreen.
Modern money mechanics says money is given value by confidence, trade is two parties both trying to get the better end of the deal, not an equal exchange, adam smith says the market is led by god or an invisible hand.
It's not a theory, it's a fact, the market is faith based while a scientifically based open source society would be better.
That's not really what the invisible hand means. It's the science of arbitrage. Granted, it's a social science more than a physical science but it's still science and not faith.
lol, I would have no trouble believing any other republican could win, my Russian friend.
It's T-rump I don't believe in.
Haurboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But normal people who can see the government wasnt looking out for Americas best interests recognized voting in the same Obama, Bush, Clinton, Rubio, McCain type politicians wasnt working.
Trump with his openness and ability to speak his mind is what Americans across the country want. We are sick of the same old same old.
White People in particular have become sick of being thrown on the back burner in their own country by these politicians. Obama and his 8 years of SJW BS woke up a sleeping giant that isn't going back to sleep anytime soon.
"Russian friend" shit like that is why the Democratic party will continue dying. Thank you for helping the cause.
People who voted T-rump are petty bullies who can't stand the thought of not being able to abuse people they don't like. Just like T-rump.
He may not be a "politician," but that doesn't mean he's not still a lying sack of greedy shit. The sole reason he's in office is to make more money for rich people at the expense of everyone else in America. The sooner his extremist fanboys realize that, the better off this country will be.
I had a coworker swear Trump would not survive the inauguration because "1/19 is 9/11 backwards." He literally swore on his life he believed it. Day after the inauguration he tried to pretend like he didn't believe it would happen. He failed.
Most murders are crimes of passion. The mob killed the Kennedy boys over a crime of passion. JFK, RFK, Marilyn Monroe, and Frank Sinatra. All of the boys banged Marilyn and only one lived to be named "Chairman of the Board."
The lead post is actually right though. Facebook knows everything and you gave it to them. I would point and laugh as a non user but you tag me on posts and tell them about me. You do it for free you fools.
I believe there's an entire arm of the US government that not only manages but can deport an import aliens at their own discretion. They're kind of like an I.N.S. but for the Galaxy and they all have to wear the same uniforms which would be a black suit and they have these flashy deeley's that can make you completely forget what happened they've been involved in multiple world saving events that will never know about
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man did not land on the moon in 1969. Common pocket calculators are many times more powerful than the computer technology at the time. It was impossible.
Soros is funding antifa and this is a desperate attempt to overthrow trump so that paedophiles can continue their pledge. Source - dad works closely with gchq
I think the 1986 NASA Discovery explosion still seems sketchy to me, but I keep going back and forth on this. If you do a quick google search for the crew members, they have doppelgangers that are still alive today.
Too many questions unanswered. Too much evidence that many of the things said by the government and media were lies. Too much covered up shortly after it happened. So much info online that leaves simple questions in the air that could have been addressed yet we're ignored. Too much to gain from the attack. Helped start a war that many felt was needed within the government.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they knew within a few days it was Saddam. Mueller did a bang up job on that one.
We're 8 light minutes away from the sun. That's really far. That's like starting a campfire and then walking a few miles away and wondering why you're not getting burned. Bad analogy though, because the sun is so hot it still burns you from ~93 million miles away.
All women are bisexual/asexual and are in complete control of the whole world. Beyoncรฉ, "Queen B", even sang about how women "run the world." There have been scientific developments suggesting reproduction can occur without sperm (bone marrow?). They always seem to know what's really going on. And, in many places, they have built a set of rules that force others to care for and protect them.
The newer feminist movement is a group of women who are unsatisfied with how many women have to pretend to be oppressed to keep up the public image and end up suffering for it. Women against the feminist movement are traditional "World Leaders" who think the system will collapse if the female's true nature is exposed. This would supposedly lead to non-females taking up arms and trying to throw off the ovarian overlords.
My grandfather, who was in the Air Force and stationed in New Mexico in the 50s has mentioned being under an NDA (or military equivalent; it's been several years since he's said anything about it) in relation to something in Roswell. It's easy to infer what that's possibly about, and he's not one for flights of fancy like that.
As much as this thread has talked about aliens being used as bait for conspiracy theorists, I feel like there's all least something true along those lines.
So many theories with evidence people just contihue to deny the existence of.
- UFO
- Aliens
- 9/11
- The First Moon Landing
- Grenfell Tower
- Aliens on Mars
- Area 51
There's just so much hidden from people. It's mind-boggling.
Reala27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:13:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is literally no reliable, concrete evidence for any of that nonsense. You're an idiot.
Alright.
1. UFO - De-Classified X-Files all provide proof of it's existence.
Aliens - It'd be incredibly idiotic for anyone to believe that we're alone. Let alone what astronauts, marine pilots or Military agents testify it's existwnce of. Even scientifically, the math, the physics all point to life beyond Earth. There needs not be physical evidence. I mean, of course, if you refuse to believe the hidden aspects of what is seen in Space and on Mars, such as; Orbs, The Black Knight etc. Then you can about it scientifically, and even then if you refuse to believe. Then, who I am to stop you from not believing?
The 9/11 is such a huge conspiracy. This isn't the theory of why it happened, it's of the main point. Who did it? The government for some. Well conspiracy for some, for others it's a fact. It was on tape how many of the American's did protests with banners such as "9/11 was an inside job". It became two obvious when, pieces of paper somehow survived a massive plane crash and a huge explosion, yet something ehich is meant to survive such incidents, aka the Black Box couldn't?
Why do I believe the first moon landong specifically be fake? The fact that Russia was competing with USA. It put mass pressure on which country would be first to send a man on the Moon. Why did the flag wave? Why was there reflections of camera's on the astronauts 'helmet'?
The Grenfell Tower right now? Is being investigated by officials. Why? Because we people actually demand answers. Why did they keep refusing / delaying the upgrade to building structure despite being warned so many times? What did the ยฃ10 Million go into even? How could this building yet still survive such a huge fire and stay standing yet The Trade Centre Buildings of 9/11 fell within hours?
Well, this pretty much ties in with point 2.
Alright. This well could be a "Top-Secret USA Government Facility" to "test" military vehicles etc. Hence the extremely tight security and border. However, this doesn't explain the Roswell Incident? It obviously wasn't a weather balloon. It's as if they testing out advanced helicopters when suddenly some "Weather Balloon" crashes in its area and suddenly their military now consist of Soundless Aircrafts, such as the TR-3, and specifically the TR-3B which can travel in the air at such slow speeds and yet stoll is able to hover... So suddenly the USA has all this advanced tech just sprouted from the ground after a few months/years a weather balloons crashed.
I'm not mad. I'm just saying that there's definitely some sh*t going on down there and it sure isn't military testing...
TL;DR: There is definitely stuff hidden from the public. This for sure is not a theory.
Sometimes evidence is hidden, locked away, so those who find it, will find it hard trying to make others believe they found it...If you know what I mean.
Reala27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Christ you're thick.
The claim is not "life exists on other planets" but "Extra-terrestrial life exists on Earth/Mars right now." There is sometimes a side claim that this life contacts humans in some way. Yes, it is statistically likely that life exists elsewhere in a universe of incomprehensible size. No, there is no evidence that it exsits here.
Got a source for those claims? Other than the ass you pulled them out of?
Why wouldn't the flag wave? It was being manipulated by the guy holding it. There's still inertia in space! Aside from that, we have independent confirmation from the USSR that the moon landing occurred as stated. They would have every reason to denounce an American claim to landing on the moon, but conveniently agree that the 'fake' one did occur? That's asinine.
I honestly have no idea what the fuck Grenfell tower is, nor do I particularly care.
You probably mean 'point 1' but as far as Mars goes let me elaborate: pareidolia is the phenomenon of the human mind filling in incomplete patterns or recognizing patterns where none exist. During early human development recognition of human faces was useful to survival, and therefore an 'overactive' facial recognition system was chosen over a less active one. This is why people see faces in power outlets, house structures, the front of cars, and indeed in rock structures on Mars. A quick shave with Occam's Razor can tell us which idea is easier to believe: Humans seeing things that are only partially there, or advanced civilizations in a highly life-hostile environment that we haven't received any sort of transmissions from.
Roswell has no independently verifiable hard evidence of anything extraterrestrial during the supposed incident. Your little story conveniently skips literally any details that would help back it up. If you can demonstrate with hard evidence (anecdotes and witness accounts mean literally nothing. They're worth less than the air vibrated to transmit them) that an extraterrestrial craft landed in New Mexico, whose technology was then used to create modern military aircraft, you might have something. Unfortunately, you have provided nothing.
For a claim to be believable it must be backed by hard evidence and sound reasoning. The wild tales hocked by conspiritards fit neither of these criteria.
I'm sorry. You must be unaware of the tragic incident which happened in Manchester, UK. But to make remarks such as "nor do I particularly care", lost all my respect for you, and evidently, nor do I care for what you now have to say. Shame really, was looking forward to advancing our discussion.
Many people lost their relatives and loved ones. It was a really tragic incident to which holds a bery high respect, Fortunately, the Government have said they'll distribute money to those who lost their relatives and loved ones. Just as you had asked me to cute my sources. How about you do a little Google search, and find out what The Grenfell Tower is all about.
IDK if someone already mentioned this and I didn't scroll down far enough but that western countries send economic hitmen to developing nations to stunt their progress and have economic leverage if they needed something from said nation
PS I'm not sure which western countries do this but I completely believe that the US government has done this (and will continue to do this) in several nations all over the world.
phqx996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big oil companies (Shell, BP, ..) recruit and fund militant groups in Africa to fight each other over who can control which area. Two reasons: 1) evidence, 2) if it makes money it makes sense.
Makes financial sense to pay 2 sides to fight each other as long as the end sum of costs is lower than the profit to be made,
phqx996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't claim one company pays two parties to fight each other. Each company pays one party and the parties fight each other as a sort of proxy war, on behalf of the companies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trudeou is Fidel Castro's secret son.
Look at the pics of Castro when he was young, the likeness is uncanny. Now look at Trudeau's supposed real father... They look nothing alike.
Castro and Trudeau's mother were also friends. And she would often entrust him to entertain the baby (Trudeau).
I Like my conspiracy theory and I anit letting it go.
LSG1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you believe 9/11 wasn't an inside job, you're either completely brainwashed or at least half retarded.
Slanesh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:57:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I truly believe this conspiracy will be proven very soon . ALEX JONES is a Gay , Transsexual , Jewish, Muslim , Atheist underground Lizard frog from outer space. And by buying his products he is changing your DNA so you also become a Gay , Transsexual, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist underground Lizard frog from outer space.
slowshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a multi-national conspiracy capable and powerful enough to bring down national landmarks without ever confessing or allowing any leaks is simultaneously incompetent enough to make a mistake like that?
That makes no sense
The US government either knew about or was involved in the events of 9/11. YouTube "WTC building 7" - buildings do not collapse like that without explosives
9/11. From controlled demolitions, to the air defense response failure, to Silverstein's interview with PBS, and firsthand accounts, the story just doesn't add up. How would 3 structures (one that wasn't even hit by a plane) collapse at freefall speed, into their own footprints on the same day. The physics don't add up.
Go watch it on YouTube. Reach down to the little button that says "playback speed" and select "x2". Tell me that's not just a man hopping around with the framerate halved. That's not double speed version of 14% gravity. Even if he was hopping at PRECISELY half Earth's gravity, what kind of professional performance ballet dancers did he hire who could work their arms and handle things precisely in proportion to their current gravity and why the fuck would they do that?
Also, look at the screen in the control room while the footage plays and men walk around in the foreground. It's just footage of a man hopping around in Earth's gravity.
The fucking odds that we sent a manned missile on the first try and livestreamed the damn thing without a hitch... It's a preposterous concept. Even if we did go in 1969 you know NASA can't just roll the dice with it being "watch these two astronauts miss and float into oblivion/die on impact"
Shit's clearly fake, personally I think you've got to be a little bit stupid or desperate to believe to buy it just because you were told it happened, despite how laughable it looks half a century later.
psbwb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:28:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first moon landing was the result of the 11th missile we shot at the moon, hence Apollo 11.
Apollo 1, initially designated AS-204, was the first manned mission of the United States Apollo program, which had as its ultimate goal a manned lunar landing.
It caught fire and all the astronauts on board died.
Apollo 1 was not even pretending to go to the moon.
This is a silly point you're arguing, my point was that the Apollo 11 landing in 1969 that was shown on TV and is still used to this day is very clearly fake. The only thing it has going for it is the quasi-religious status of NASA in our culture.
psbwb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apollo 1 may have not even been pretending to go to the moon in the sense that they were testing the equipment and procedures, which would result in useful data to use on later Apollo missions.
I'll concede the possibility that the footage is fake, on the grounds that in the midst of the Cold War, the government wouldn't want to risk national secrets by displaying the moon footage. But there is no way we haven't gone to the moon. Tons of people watched the takeoff of the Saturn V for Apollo 11. Where else is tons of rocket fuel going to go except up? If the landing was fake, wouldn't Russia be the first to invalidate the landing, in order to keep the space race going and potentially beat America to the moon? How come we can shine lasers at the moon and have them reflected back to us from the retroreflectors left there? What about all the moon rocks brought back, which have been dated to be millions of years older than the oldest rocks on Earth?
And can you explain what you meant by "the quasi-religious status of NASA"? The average person probably doesn't think about NASA at all, and those that do, the majority are probably discussing it in regards to the national budget. If I asked people what they thought about NASA, they would probably just say it's the space part of the government.
I am not convinced we have never gone to the moon. I'm not denying spaceflight or the existence of satellites.
I was only talking about that one piece of footage. Which is minor in it's concept, but it is pretty insane in the scale of deception. To this day, people believe it is 100% genuine moon footage and NASA defends it like it's scientific documentation.
psbwb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just clarifying my position on the two similar ideas, as you didn't present a solid standing on how fake you think the moon landing footage is.
But why would NASA want to fake the footage? That is like one of the biggest dick waving opportunities to ever come about, which happened while two super nations were having a battle over their ideals, a great time to whip out the ultimate dick wave and prove your ideas superior.
If the footage isn't genuine, why would they use actual astronauts on the film instead of talented actors? Personally, I think one of the simplest piece of the footage that makes me think for sure that it is legitimate, is Neil Armstrong flubbing the first words on the surface of the moon into a meaningless and contradicting phrase*. If they were in a studio, why not yell cut and reshoot the scene so the dialogue actually makes sense? Messing up something that bad is like buying a great, nice, expensive house and only using paper plates and not mowing your lawn.
He said "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind," instead of the intended "one small step for *a* man." Without the "a" in that context, "man" means the same as "mankind," completely forgoing the meaning of the message.
I'm not making allegations about their motives. This took place a few decades before I was born, and I really don't want to spend years of unpaid research getting the full picture of events that were largely classified to this day.
As for how fake I think it is, 100% fake. Like, made in a studio, "looks good to me", completely fabricated. Since you seem at least mildly interested, I'll go ahead and trust you aren't just here to confirm your previous beliefs, and break it down for you, albeit briefly.
Note, I am only making a very narrow claim. The footage of the 1969 moon landing is not authentic. It's not men landing on the moon.
Here is the famous footage I'm talking about. Go ahead and watch it. First off, the quality is crap, which is excusable in theory but you must admit it's low quality enough to give a permanent built in excuse: "I don't know, I can't really see it". Nevertheless, I think there's ample evidence as it is that it is fake.
The moon is purportedly 16% of Earth's gravity. Not exactly 50%. Also, you don't move your body in relation to gravity. I don't lift up my arm to scratch my head slower because I am at a higher elevation.
Now here's some timestamps.
The footage from the control room shows the events happening at double speed. As soon as it cuts to full screen, the footage suddenly is slower. Perhaps it's a change in framerate of the camera? Well, reach down and change the playback speed on the video to 2x. It's exactly the same thing from before. What the video was showing before in the control room was live footage, which was slowed down by half to appear to be in low gravity.
The little hopscotch portion looks pretty low-g. Until you hit 2x, and then it suddenly looks exactly like a man hopping around in a suit, maybe with a cable when his hops are big enough to stress the system, but his smaller movements are completely normal to the eye. This is bad enough as it is.
The real kicker in both of those cases is the gesturing. As I said, gravity doesn't slow down how fast they reach and look and turn and point. I concede that if you were on the moon, you'd be moving slowly and carefully. But the likelihood of the precise coordination between this "cautious movement" and the rate of gravity is so absurd it would be a marvel if anyone could pull it off. Maybe by some trick of the camera 16% gravity precisely halves the playback speed, but a human can't just move at precisely "half speed". Go find a comedy channel where they do that gag moving in slow mo. I've never seen one that can be bumped to as beautiful a fraction as "2x" and looks completely normal. Not only does the gravity suddenly look like a guy hopping around in a suit on Earth, their movement looks like two guys working on something, looking around, etc.
At this timestamp you can even see the dirt kicked by his foot playing along in the magically halved ballet.
The arguments that NASA provides as evidence are somehow so incredibly stupid, I can't imagine why anyone buys into them, other than desperately wanting to. In this clip from Mythbusters for example, they "bust" the "myth" that a boot wouldn't leave an imprint like it supposedly did, by reproducing the boot print. Using synthetic moon dust. That they got from NASA. All they did was prove on camera that such a boot print could be precisely faked by NASA using sythetic dust.
So maybe this is all a big magical coincidence and I'm just a dope who doesn't understand how camera footage works.
But look at this footage from Apollo 16. All of a sudden, not only is the effect of reduced weight apparent at all times, their movements when making small corrections like turning around, or raising his arm to salute, are hilariously fast and jerky. Because that's what 2x speed does to normal movement. The same is seen in other apollo missions' footage. Also, in 3 years, the camera quality has suddenly taken a leap into the visible age.
That 1969 moon landing footage is not up to par anymore. I can see why people would buy it in 1969 when their TV was low def, they had no footage to compare it to, most people had never seen footage of simulated microgravity in airplanes, changing playback speed wasn't as simple as it is now, etc.
Maybe men landed on the moon in 1969, but that's not footage of it. Maybe we didn't go until a few years later, and that was just a publicity stunt to flex our muscle. Maybe it was a power play, that they knew the Russians couldn't debunk it without admitting to things both powers were lying about or hiding from the public. Maybe we've never been to the moon, but production quality kep
increasing over the years until our technology got too high-def and demanding and the manned missions were halted before we expected them to have 1080p livestreams. Honestly, it doesn't matter in and of itself, as you have pointed out, because we can get workable results using the science from the moon missions, so obviously NASA is not just an elaborate series of mirrors and radio towers. They aren't hiring filmakers and writers, they are hiring chemists, physicists and engineers. I don't believe NASA as a whole is an Illuminati propaganda cult, but I do believe that, in the very least, that footage, which is defended as authentic to this day, isn't real.
But the reason it's relevant is because it goes against the belief that "nobody could keep a secret like that", or "NASA would never do that". Clearly, they have. It's been so long, that the truth of whether or not that footage is real is immaterial. Nobody cares whether Achilles of Troy was a real man or if Shakespeare was a single man or a team of writers using a pseudonym. It is possible for the entire world to be hoaxed or mislead in such a way that the perpetrators get away with it entirely, and the only people who catch it will be seen as crazies by sheer force of social proof.
There is literal hard evidence that Hillary was doing exactly what you just described with Correct the Record, and this is not coming from a trump supporter but a Bernie supporter.
Engineer here. Idk anything about the conspiracy there but 2 things: jet fuel can melt steel beams given the proper heat flux and it wouldn't matter anyway because support-type beams would have collapsed before melting after softening from heat.
But to add to that, there was molten metal pouring out the building before it collapsed, then there was also molten metal found in the rubble up to two weeks post 9/11. One word: thermite.
That's some weirdly wild speculation. I would need to see documentation of the temperature and the time period. Also weird because thermite doesn't burn for 2 weeks and metal cools pretty quickly.
Also seems redundant to do because you know, a plane hit it.
It's a chemical reaction. It was also found in samples taken of the dust from the debris. That's why more people died after 9/11 than they did on the actual day.
Thermite isn't toxic, it's just rust and aluminum, not quite sure what you're talking about there. I don't know about DC but in New York the major issue was the shit ton of asbestos being flung into the air by the collapse of the towers along with other carcinogens and toxic materials.
PRMan99 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:53:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TWA 800. I am firmly convinced that the Clintons shot that plane down.
buboe ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An Air Force general from DARPA mentioned this during a night of drinking. It was accidentally shot down by the US Navy. Bill Clinton ordered the coverup as election season was coming up and he didn't want the bad press.
[deleted] ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 00:02:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm doing you a favor when I tell you this- you sound like a fucking lunatic. I'm going to assume you don't actually spout this nonsense to people who know you, and that's a good thing. Don't.
Seek help man. Something has happened to you and you've wandered down a very dark, deluded path.
There are too many inconsistencies and contradictions within the official story. Photoshopped pictures of families, photoshopped mugshot of Adam Lanza (the official mugshot is fucking 144p quality with forensic markings around the eyelids, nose, and lips... We have higher quality pictures of the columbine shooters from decades prior), no pictures of the bodies, people walking aimlessly around the firehouse to look busy, internet activity, shitty "evidence" at the crime scene: https://www.reddit.com/r/SandyHookHoax/comments/61ip95/gone_round_round_with_itfinally_accepted_sandy/
The list goes on.
If the official story is true, there's still no answer to any of these inconsistencies. Why would all of these random things have happened in a way that leads to as much suspicion of the official story as possible? Why the fake hat at the crime scene? Why put a little shitstain of blood on the bed and claim it was the scene of a suicide? None of it makes sense. Even if it's true, it's been tampered with heavily. It's time to ask some questions.
And I'm embarrassed you find the official story as 'proof'. That video highlights many of the story's abnormalities, but you don't care. You saw it on TV - that means it must've been true.
I've had friends who lost relatives in the sandy hook shooting. Your disrespect for the dead and the families who are still grieving absolutely disgusts me.
Your statement means absolutely jack fuckin shit to me until you back it up with verifiable evidence. There's ALWAYS one of you "i lost my relatives" people in every fucking thread. No evidence/pics from any of you, ever.
There's nothing anyone could say to change your mind. You've convinced yourself of some wild conspiracy, and now it's too important to you to see anything that resembles truth. You're lost.
You're very much like a flat earther, actually. But I'm going to guess you spend too many hours a day playing online gaming, and you've warped your own sense of reality.
What sort of proof could I possibly give if I wanted to?
And I don't, out of respect for the families.
I won't argue this anymore, but seriously, children were killed. Families were affected, and have been stalked and harassed by people like you. It's sickening.
Sir-R2D2 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler wasn't a crazy man who wanted to exterminate the Jewish people, it was a made up story that UK created to get help.
Blimey85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:43:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a "documentary" once that tried to show Hitler had no idea that anyone was being killed. I was impressed with how convincing they were. Completely wrong and insane/delusional though.
There is no way that humans made the pyramids. First off they're massive, they had no modern machines for help, and they're aligned perfectly along latitude and longitude lines. Aliens man
hitbacio ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it impossible for them to make them without modern machines?
Levers, pulleys, and some very smart people can go a long way.
i31719 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They run along the surface, from end of the axis to end of the axis, but if all the lines were shifter a mile leftward, the only difference would be 60 degrees is on mile further left.
When lat/Lon was set, the exact placement of the lines was arbitrary.
It's not. It is the internet doing to government what it did to entertainment, then communication, then commerce.
A great deal of the shocking and outrageous events of the last 2 years are business as usual, but we didn't get to know about it, and everything moved a lot slower. Not to mention how many people's jobs and processes are now completely outmoded and unnecessary.
komiroya ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:58:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Trump is a half billion dollars in debt to the Russian mob due to all his corrupt business activity. Everything he does is just to make more money to get out of this debt.
Putin of course is in cahoots with the mob, which explains how Trump is such a sycophant to Putin.
So he took a massive pay cut and gave control of his multiple companies to other people in order to make money? And where do you get the number of half a billion dollars? Did you make that up? Not to mention, he has to work around the clock for the people of the United States rather than for personal monetary gains. Yeah, your theory makes a lot of sense...
He will be the first to tell you that business is booming now that he's president, and he didn't give control of his companies to anyone, he put them in a trust to which he and his children are beneficiaries. The info isn't hard to find, it's public knowledge that doesn't need to come from the media, there are primary sources that are easy to Google.
That Kennedy had Marilyn Monroe killed to avoid an unprecedented sex scandal in the White House. His presidency and his reputation were on the line and he figured killing her was the best way to keep her silent and his reputation intact. Then some Hollywood bigwigs paid off a few CIA guys to kill Kennedy in revenge, plus all that lost money she would have made them.
The Vela Incident in 1979 was a covert nuclear test between Israel and South Africa, and the US knew about it. However, there was mutual blackmail between Israel and the US over Israel's own nuclear weapons program and the US' covert cooperation with South Africa in Angola.
Area 51 isn't being used for covert military operations, because too many people know about it. Instead, it's a waste dump or disposal facility where the military can get rid of waste from secret military programs without being encumbered by health and safety regulations or environmental regulations. And therefore they wouldn't be subject to litigation for environmental pollution or unsafe working conditions.
News articles suggesting that millennial marriage and divorce rates are at an all time low is covert encouragement into getting men into marriage as part of a wider push by feminists to establish greater control over men.
turns31 ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 16:24:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we didn't go to the moon.
You're telling me we haven't wanted to go back since 1972? Like we went there 6 times back in the late 60's and just decided we're all good? We saw everything we needed to see I guess. Not like we have any better technology now to further analyze and discover. Not to mention how easy it would be to "fool" the gullible people of that time with a little movie stage magic. There was no Twitter or social media. Nobody investigating the authenticity. Whatever was on the news was gospel.
ses1989 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:24:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buzz Aldrin has a knuckle sandwich waiting for you.
turns31 ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he can provide me with a logical explanation as to why we haven't gone back in 40+ years I'd be willing to listen.
Not cool enough. The real reason for everything has to be narratively satisfying or it must be covering up something that is.
sledge98 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:42:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went sky-diving once. Never went again. Maybe I neverwentatall?!! I'm having a revelation here.
EDIT: Additionally you could look at this the other way. If you're going to fake going to the moon why fake it 6 times? That's just asking to get caught.
The space race has ended and there's no urgency to go back. Even at the height of the space race half the country didn't support spending money "up there" when things were going to shit down here. I love NASA as much as the next guy, but going to the moon just isn't all that important right now
turns31 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 19:40:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't want us to go back. I think our whole space program is a giant waste of money. I could care less what's out there at this point.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:57:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think our whole space program is a giant waste of money.
This attitude is exactly why we've never gone back.
superkp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a troll or do you not like cellphones?
The space program literally set up the tech and infrastructure for your ability to use GPS and a handful of other things.
The tech gained from the space program goes in to the making of your phone (although the signal doesn't go to space).
turns31 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:23:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot. You are probably reading this right now as a result of our wasteful space program. And every time you use GPS to get to where you are going, you can thank stupid NASA. You are so ignorant that I'm embarrassed to be associated with you by default, as we are both human.
pl487 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:57:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're telling me we haven't wanted to go back since 1972?
More like we haven't wanted to spend the money to go back, but yeah.
Like we went there 6 times back in the late 60's and just decided we're all good?
Pretty much. The whole point of going to the moon was to demonstrate technological superiority over the Soviets. It accomplished the mission. Science was secondary, but that was fully accomplished as well.
We saw everything we needed to see I guess. Not like we have any better technology now to further analyze and discover.
We had people on the surface and exploring for 80 hours. We collected 2200 separate rock samples weighing 842 pounds in total and brought them back. What could hour 81 tell us that hours 1-80 didn't? What about rock sample 2201? We have used our increasingly advanced technology to analyze the samples we have ever since they were collected, from the convenience of a NASA lab.
Not to mention how easy it would be to "fool" the gullible people of that time with a little movie stage magic. There was no Twitter or social media. Nobody investigating the authenticity. Whatever was on the news was gospel.
Don't forget about the KGB, who was applying its full power to finding out as much about the space program as possible. All they would have needed was one informant, and they could have exposed the whole thing.
I watched a documentary that showed two photos that were listed as being a mile or so away from each other but the hill line and camera position were exactly the same when overlayed on each other. They only difference was there was a rock in the foreground that was only in one.
I think that it's possible that the GOP are trying to dominate the world, and they hired Alex Jones to spin the story to make it look like liberals are trying to control everyone.
I can't show you that pecans are one of the best all time pizza toppings. I can't show you that I once landed and lost a speckled trout bigger than my arm from the elbow down. I can't provide you with any objective proof that there is a waitress that favors one of my kids over everyone else in the restaurant.
I know all of these things. They are not source-able.
You know there's never been a controlled double blind experiment proving the efficacy of parachutes?
Reala27 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first one is unknowable, since there is no way to objectively measure taste. An image of the second one would suffice. A video of the third. You can absolutely have sources for those.
Knowledge is a subset of believe characterized by being both well justified and true.
I don't have any pictures of the fish because it got away and I didn't get a picture of it. I have no video.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You're ignoring the validity of things that are known experientially.
Reala27 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:53:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anecdotes are not evidence. Your anecdote may be credible, as in "this is a thing that can potentially occur" but I have no reason to believe anything you say simply because you say it. If I cannot replicate the process by which you arrived at your conclusion, it is invalid.
You're right. Anything that isn't proven to you isn't true. That's not collassally egocentric or anything.
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is just basic standards of evidence. If someone cannot test your process against reality to make sure your conclusions line up with what the tests actually show, they have no reason to believe it. Be that an actual, empirical test or just a line of reasoning. Knowledge is necessarily demonstrable, and if you can't show it you don't know it.
...but if there's hard evidence then it isn't a conspiracy...
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more individuals to commit a crime at some point in the future. No part of that definition implies lack of evidence. Although for conspiritards absence of evidence is often considered evidence of presence, that's not how reality works.
i do believe the the first moon landing was faked. but im not one of the people who don't believe in the moon or don't think anyone has ever really gone there. i just don't think the first one was real. just think about it, the whole world was in a race to see who get get there faster, whatever the cost. so america must've realized they might not have gotten there first, so they faked it. and there is proof of it too. if you look back at the footage, the flag was blowing as if there was a breeze, but there couldn't be a breeze on the moon. and, the sky was just black. where were all the stars? there was a ton of other evidence but im not going to list it all.
The flag was wavering as it was rammed in the ground. Newton's third law. There are no stars visible because the reflection of the sun on the surface outshines the faint light of the stars, the camera isn't able to capture the faint light. I'll be happy to debunk every other piece of evidence you have.
I should do this on a throwaway but here we go: I have had doubts about whether the US actually went to the moon. Have you seen what they went there in? The thing doesn't look like it could be used to pop microwave popcorn.
The reason the GOP defunds planned parenthood isn't for "pro life" ideology or voter support but to increase birth rates amongst the poor and less educated further increasing the wealth gap
jtapp83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this one. It's good! It would be hard to argue that it is not a likely outcome of defunding Planned Parenthood
Population control.
Aids just so happened to start in a poor, uneducated African country; where, it spreads sexually, and targets gays.
Oh yeah thousands of people have died because a dude fucked a monkey one day.
Edit: woaa for a post basically asking people to state their generally unacceptable conspiracy theories there's a lot of downvoting
MRSA kills more people annually than HIV/AIDS, is easier to spread, and it isn't sexually discriminating. HIV/AIDS is a pretty shitty way to kill people in the name of population control.
Very prevalent in gays.
And highly doubt pc would create a Black Plague. Helps the medical industry, keeps the gays down, controls population.
But maybe I'm just delusional. Just always made sense to me
The earth is definitely flat, but we live on a cube. ;-)
pavemnt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:46:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Wal-Marts stick extra car in their parking lots to make them seem more packed. I always feel like I have to walk a mile from a parking spot but there's never anyone in there.
Nashithk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:46:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only one of the Olsen twin. She's just running really fast back and forth, so she seems like 2.
We don't know how she does it, but, we're close.!!
magariot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
US elections were hacked by the Russians.
joe1up ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:03:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paul McCartney died and was replaced with a lookalike.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:34:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tin foil hats increase the reception of your thoughts
Extraterrestrial life/UFO's. I was watching a YouTube channel called SecureTeam10 which broadcasts UFO sightings but took it with a grain of salt at first. Recently I saw a UFO with my own eyes and I'm not crazy, it was a ball shaped UFO just like in many of his videos and it was moving pretty fast, and it was pretty high up but still clearly visible. Me and my brother both saw it, so I'm not seeing things. It's real.
I believe that someone is paying NGOs to send as many refugees as possible here in italy to de-stabilize our country for some reason, or the current ruling party pays NGOs to send refugees so they can make them italian citizens as fast as possible to cope up with their abysmal approval ratings.
Why do i believe this? Because a couple of NGOs picked up refugees from the lybian coast, when they were still on land and the government passed a bill that makes all first generation migrants italian citizens.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:59:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens exist
kiingb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finland is not real. Basically the Japanese and Soviet governments met and decided to pretend Finland is a country so they could have free reign over the fishing buisness in the ocean that is where Finland is is. More explained over at r/finlandconspiracy
Edit: this is kind of a meme but theres "evidence" at this sub, I dont want to write a long thing I'm about to sleep
At about 1:40 left in Round two, when Colleen. How is she going to . "You just gotta have some willpower, you just gotta want it. She don't want i! SeeS how she's giving uo? She's gotta want it, turn around and move. You don't want it. Colleen is seated with MAsters on her back.
I like the fact that she never gave uo...after fight
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:28:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This world is Trumps own personal simulation created by his advanced civilization to keep him out of their real one.
I can't understand how an idiot like that can still be so powerful after so many fuckups, unless the world is shaped to fit him.
I believe that Elon Musk speech about robots taking human positions and dire need of universal income just a way to create loophole in laws allowing him to fire bunch of people and replacing them with assembly robots. Right now in most countries you need a valid reason to fire person otherwise you will be sued, but with universal income you can go with "but he has money to live on" and fire bunch of people replacing them for robots. Elon Musk thinks about efficency, not people.
Earle89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he cares about his personel that afraid to call ambulance and engineers who burns down in a couple of months happily living his company? Yeah...
I think it has more to due with the rift in leadership. When the new head of PETA took control she completely devastated their public image through poorly thought out demonstrations. She got her shock value but lost legitimacy.
There are aliens/UFO's. Call me crazy, but I've seen them with my own eyes and there is no logical explanation I can come up of what else they could be. My parents have also seen them.
Yep. I had a daylight sighting on a clear day of a classic disc shaped craft. It looked, hovered, changed colour and flew at velocity like nothing else I have seen. It gave me the distinct impression that it was not of this world.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw an UFO too, I think it was an allucination because human or not its behavious had no logic
โWhat conspiracy theory are you certain is true, why?โ
The conspiracy of silence in regard to consciousness. Since a myriad โconsciousnessโsโ all conscious of differing realities, cannot be cognitively correct. Yet everyone remains silent. As they either don't want to appear stupid, or else don't want to admit to being stupid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:56:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the US government is trying to take all of my money.
Why?... Because the US government is taking all of my money.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:16:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that calling people full of shit is a ploy to shift blame on those who are constipated.
Actually your gut bacteria feeds on it, leading to healthier intestinal flora. Also, a lack of insoluble fiber can lead to buildup of waste, and eventual weakening and stretching of the intestinal walls.
As someone with diverticulutis/diverticulosis, I can tell you that dietary fiber can save your life. My intestines nearly ruptured due to a lack of it. Now I have to deal with intestinal pain every single day.
On top of gut health, fiber intake can also help lower cholesterol and prevent a variety of diseases. Since your gut health can directly influence your mental state (gut receptors), a lack of fiber and intestinal irregularity can even exacerbate depression etc.
If you'd like some clinical info/links to studies/papers I can post some. Eat lots of fiber, yo! It's really important! A huge portion of the people who die from diverticulosis don't even know they have it.
Nutritionfacts.org is a great resource. The site is a non-profit started by a nutritionist whose mother was saved from heart disease and imminent death with a healthy, plant based diet. A team of volunteer medical pros wade through all of the studies and analyze them for validity and supportability, so you get to hear real findings from real studies, without having to check every paper for suspicious sponsors or questionable procedure.
So yeah. Take it from someone who will die without proper fiber intake: EAT FUCKING FIBER.
Then again, you don't have to. Could always just bank on the colon resegmentation surgery...
djexpat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:54:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my armchair conspiracy theorist opinion but the death of Osama Bin Laden. If I remember right Obama announced his death during his re election campaign, and how did Zero Dark Thirty come out SO SOON after his death? Also, where's the body? Did it really get thrown in the ocean?
Big corporate funds the libertarian movement to convince Americans a smaller government is good government. Once regulatory agencies are diminished, big corporate provides โassistanceโ to the agencies. Drafting rule/laws and funding research that is always favourable to there cause. This also goes hand in hand with reduced tax burden and increased public reliance on private enterprise.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying the illuminati is 50.000 years old? During the Upper Palaeolithic Revolution religion more or less got started. All cultures alive had their own religions, all cultures believed in some sort of god.
So a 50.000 year old organisation had cross continental controll of the world population in 48.000 bc?
Fucking tosser
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:53:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Christianity or Islam period" you mean 700+ years?
Christianity and Islam were both based off of Judaism, which according to your well thought out theory must have also been come up with by the illuminati, extending the time period with a few more centuries.
Where's the proof? Where's the evidence?
You genuinely think the illuminati came up with religion yet you call me immature?
If you got offended when i called you a fucking tosser, my apologies. In my culture calling someone a tosser is pretty standard if they are being silly.
David Duke is actually a plant so that anybody he endorses has their credibility damaged for that news cycle. Or he's just an irrelevant leach.
Every AI that's been made, from Microsoft Tay to that one in China, ends up being a gigantic asshole intentionally taking the idealogical bias of it's Creator and going in completely the opposite direction.
The Chinese AI praised America and Microsoft's Tay became a Nazi.
Moon landing, yes i know dumb for this question but SERIOUSLY HOW DOES A FLAG WAVE LIKE WIND IS HITTING IT IN SPACE, THEIR IS NO AIR TO BE PUSHING IT,also where are the stars? I feel like if you were in space on the moon you would see quite a few but nope, not one on the footage, also the clear reflections in the masks and the fact that the shadows of everything were going in different directions as if their were stagelights?the government just says stupid stuff like the flag was just unfolding and it was the sun in the reflection reflecting off somethin else but nope, also theirs a rock that has a clear C on ot as if its a prop, theirs some more and ik this is dumb but how can all that evidence get covered up.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOW DOES A FLAG WAVE LIKE WIND IS HITTING IT IN SPACE
There is nothing to stop it from moving once it starts moving
That 9/11 was planned and executed by factions of the US ruling class, with assistance from Israel, Saudi Arabia (perhaps as a willing dupe) & Pakistan. Those three towers on 9/11 were demolished via controlled explosions. Likely Primaline-85 detonation cord to break up the steel floor pans and RDX cutters/charges for the columns. Not one of the many thousands of floor pans or steel trusses has been documented in the rubble.
Not believing US propaganda is not a sign of "craziness". You are truly naive if you think the capitalist class wouldn't invent false flags as pretext to invade, plunder, and destroy other countries in their imperial conquest as has been done for decades.
Over one million civilians died in the Americans' illegal 2003 invasion and destruction of Iraq. That is a public, documented fact. Remember how hard the Bush adminstration tried to tie Iraq with 9/11. You think it was a mere coincidence that 9/11 happened and the US immediately invaded two countries and prepared for a third (Syria)?
Just look at the shit that's upvoted in this thread. Michael Jordan this. Selfies that. Regime change propaganda about Russia and North Korea. Timid, uninteresting shit about US politics or simply parroting the horseshit Trump-Russia collusion narrative.
"Only enemies of the US state department can plan false flags, bomb innocent people and stage coup d'etats! The US is innocent, and even when it's not, other countries did it too...five hundred years ago!"
Oh no, dude, I would never read a comment like this from you. I have a full grasp on all the events you take issue with. Sincerely, you need to get help. This has nothing to do with your beliefs, and everything to do with your obvious mental illness. I understand you can't see it, that's why I am telling you: you need help. Are you familiar with schizophrenia?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:46 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK. I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope someday you can see out of the fog well enough to make a positive change. It's really scary to see people like yourself going around untreated, however. I'm seriously afraid you're going to hurt someone you deem too "ignorant" or "patronizing" when they don't subscribe to one of your theories. Please remember there are more important things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:01 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, everyone but you is sheltered and unaware, I understand. In actuality most of us just don't really care, it's your illness that's leading to your obsession. You could have blocked me the whole time, friend. Enjoy your day.
Edit: why was i downvoted? The hollow earth theory is wicked interesting! There's hundreds of caves that are off limits to civilians! Also supposedly there's a giant hole in Antartica that's a no fly zone and it's guarded by the military!!!
Somethings sketchy about Antartica, i mean why does every military have bases there?
WikiLeaks was knowingly in cahoots with Russia for the Clinton emails to ensure Clinton lost the election. It's a fact that Nigel Farage is good friends with Trump and he's visited the Ecuadorean Embassy and Roger Stone has also referenced that there was a high profile British go-between that sits between Trump and Assange.
I'm also not 100% sure about the MMR vaccine. I think it's a public health cover up to make sure everyone vaccinates their kids. Better to minimise measles, mumps and rubella than have a handful of kids contracting autism. (And yeah I know, I'm gonna get a shit ton of downvotes for saying that.)
Edit: ha! What did I say!
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 01:57:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% sure the earth is flat. Illuminati controlling the governments/Hollywood to push fake narratives (such as space travel).
Im also sure that atheism/religion are both controlled, to keep humans away from the real truth.
You are certain of the ball earth, until you actually research it for real.
Edit: It's fine that you guys disagree. But atleast research it. We all know that the governments worldwide are corrupt. Why is it so hard to think they lie about the earth too?
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Roswell85 ยท 9629 points ยท Posted at 00:43:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Trader Joes purposely build their parking lots too small so it looks like they're busier than they actually are.
jacksrenton ยท 3861 points ยท Posted at 03:44:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL that Trader Joe's tiny parking lot isn't just a thing where I live..
Tinfoilhartypat ยท 1567 points ยท Posted at 04:19:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have lived in multiple states, from the West Coast, Midwest and to New England, and traveled all across the country. I firmly believe Trader Joe's selects their real estate based on shitty parking situations.
edit Thank you for this list of large TJ's parking lots. Since I am moving again soon, I will take this information under consideration when deciding where we go next. :)
Portsmouth, NH
Danbury, CT
Half of New Jersey
Virginia Beach, VA
Westchester, CA
Indio, CA
Pasadena, CA
Santa Cruz, CA
nixonrichard ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 04:54:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's where I live are nearly always in little mini-mall things where there's a laundromat and a teriyaki take-out place.
I feel so bad for those other businesses. It's not like someone happens to have their laundry in the car and the popularity of Trader Joe's pulls in more business for the laundromat.
Synthetic_Shepherd ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 05:07:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might, actually. I usually do all my errands in one day and always try to travel as little as possible between each stop
Ralphus999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:14 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to frequent the Sandwich shop, laundromat, and grocery store near my old apartment every Sunday. I'd start my laundry, eat lunch, switch laundry over, grocery shop, get laundry, and go home. Got lunch and errands done quick. I spend far more time doing laundry now at home.
Pinkfish_411 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 05:18:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back when we used a laundromat, we always chose the one next to Trader Joe's so we country do our grocery shopping while the clothes dried.
nixonrichard ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:19:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well there you go!
smick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:30:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but who's really actually washing their pants?
Shurdus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:53:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communists.
metalfed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sick fades bro
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can damn well bet if I lived around there and needed a laundromat I'd be taking my laundry when I went to Trader Joe's.
ihaveyoursox ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 05:19:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trader joes next to my childhood home has such bad parking that they literally have a security guard in the parking lot directing traffic and making sure that the southern California granola soccer moms don't kill each other by yelling Namaste and tossing avocados at each other....that might be a true story
The_Bruccolac ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:33:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manhattan Beach?
That fucking Trader Joe's parking lot...
i_should_be_going ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:10:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neighbor! I started going out of my way to hit the one off Rosecrans because of the parking.
ihaveyoursox ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:37:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Encino. Right off the 101 and white oak....and for those wondering yes we really do say "the" before the highway number in Southern California....and we never NEVER! call it Cali.....would you call your country a cunt?
frickinloser ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 09:30:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a long-time lurker who literally just made an account to comment on this. Lmao I work at Trader Joe's. I transferred stores but was hired at the Encino store and let me tell you, it wasn't much better for the employees trying to do carts without being a hit and run victim. Even at my new store, it's still such a hazard that I actually almost got hit this past week by someone who suddenly threw it in reverse without looking because they thought a spot was opening up. Trust me, we hate it as much as you do. Also for the sake of your friendly neighborhood grocery crew, please look before you reverse!
Edit: spelling errors
RayBanfanboy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:19:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to comment that my Trader Joes was the same way, but we're just talking about the same one...
glass__jaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:16:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that pretty much turns Burbank into a one-lane road.
Mxfish1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, I hated that one when I lived in Van Nuys.
theultimatehero2 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:40:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The" is a thing elsewhere, and when I lived in Cali I called it Cali. I'm not from there, but neither is anyone else that lives there, so saying Cali also happens frequently, but I've also seen natives say it, so it doesn't really matter.
YourPoliticsSuckFam ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:38:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lived quite a few years in California, some 20 all told.
"Cali" is from surfer dudes and TV shows.
PRMan99 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:54:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously.
hvac ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:33:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
silver lake?
boston_homo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:00:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's someone directing traffic at the Trader Joe's in Brookline Massachusetts.
MADDOGCA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's odd. The one where in the city I lived in (Camarillo) had a decent sized parking lot. Maybe we were fortunate to have a Trader Joes with a decent parking lot?
xeskind30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the next Real Housewives...
dethbunnynet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:27:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One in Chicago has a steep ramp up to the second floor of a large shared building, with a sharp hairpin curve. Once you navigate that, you're rewarded with this parking garage: http://imgur.com/qAFhrnG
R34CTz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the...why? Why make a parking lot like that? Ugh I think my brain is gonna fry from trying to figure out the logic behind this.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep where I live tiny fucking parking lot, luckily I have a car but a truck would be impossible.
lil-yahtzee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:42:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. There are two in my county and I thought it was just a coincidence because both are in pretty busy areas.
Holy shit.
CptHammer_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:23:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where I live our Trader Joe's had a huge parking lot. I mean massive. Car shows are actually held there. Still in a strip mall kind of thing but the surrounding businesses are not impressive.
I did say "had". They moved to a "more convenient location". This means instead of the middle of town with freeway access they moved to the major outdoor mall where I can honestly say I have yet to see there store front. I do go to that mall it has the only best buy in town, and when I'm in the mood for frozen yogurt, or shwarma. I actually thought it had just closed up, but when I was describing the old location as Trader Joe's a friend of mine informed me they moved. I bought wine there all the time. They lost my business because I didn't know they were in business for over a year. I discovered bevmo in that same mall, still no Joe's. It also has a Hooters but my story is already over.
logitec33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:37:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly the parking lot at the one near my house is the most spacious lot they have, but half the spaces are for compact cars.
tayman12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
properties with large parking lots are more expensive... probably some weird expense strategy
rdmc23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This Trader Joe's has a huge parking lot just east of Los Angeles
llambie42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's often takes over older type food stores in strip malls or older failing shopping centers that have gone under . The stores of the 70,s & 80s were smaller back as were the parking lots.
markpelly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Trader Joes near my work has a HUGE parking lot.. Portsmouth NH
TheGreenLoki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:29:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. In Portland, the one on 82nd and...is that Woodstock? I dunno. Near there, has a normal parking lot. This is Portland Oregon by the way. Not any of the non-Oregon Portlands.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one by nw 23 sucks
abqkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Though, in Portland there are so many other places like that, granola-ish food store type things, that I wonder if the demand is less here than places where it's the only store of its kind?
TheGreenLoki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hm. Probably. Yeah. Makes sense.
jayessdubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The non- Oregan Portland one has a good sized parking lot too. Granted, it's shared with a outdoor store thing? I think? But the TJs is the main draw there, at least for me.
TheGreenLoki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, the Portland Oregon one is also a shared parking lot lol. But the one that's on it's own (deeper into Portland) does have a tiny parking lot.
mlp0139 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Trader Joe's sucks.
Any2suited ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trader Joe's in Santa Cruz, CA has a very large parking lot. Maybe it's the exception.
decrypt512 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:30:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have zero marketing or branding experience and know nothing about the factual ideas behind the marketing, but I do have experience as a hive minded stupid human, and when I see lots of commotion I get curious and go, "Wow, Trader Joe's is always busy, I should try to get over there".
the_federation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Trader Joe's that I go to doesn't even have a parking lot.
sittingwishingwaitin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Trader Joe's I work by recently moved down the street into a shopping complex with a bigger parking lot. So dreams do come true!
Mxfish1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with ours in Santa Barbara! And now only three blocks from my work!
SoUnhealthy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have not been to the LA county area then
Permtacular ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's in Westchester, CA has a huge parking lot. Unfortunately, my local TJ's lot is pretty small.
dalibor_m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Bellevue parking lot is decent size. Much better then other shops around.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one near me in VA Beach has a fairly large parking lot.
Urwifesmugglescorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Small, if true.
FaceTHEGEEB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in new jersey, half of them have tiny parking, the other half have a shit load. Maybe they got it wrong at first?
xeskind30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Trader Joe's I know of in my area has the store on one side of the street and the car park on the other side. The worst part about this situation is that this store is on one of the busiest streets in the city. No matter what time of the day time, there are cars backed up to stop and allow pedestrians to cross to either side. I know they did this on purpose to either let consumers know there is a Trader Joe's in the area, or just to piss people off.
ejohnson382 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they buy cheap and shitty real estate and opt out of expanding their parking lot to keep costs down?
murderboxsocial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they select it for that reason, but part of their business model is using existing real estate, instead of building. I'm sure real estate with poor parking options is cheaper
lamprey_condom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trader Joe's in Danbury, CT has a yuge parking lot that is easy to enter and leave. Sorry man
DrtyBlnd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Santa Cruz ones and all of the ones in the Berkeley area...fuck THAT mess.
WildKidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:32 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Trader Joe's parking lots are small. TIL the town I live in has one of the biggest Trader Joe's parking lots
Republic_of_Texas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:26 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pls add Indio CA to your list.
Tinfoilhartypat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:00 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Done. Thanks.
helllenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:33 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put in for Portsmouth, beautiful area and the TJ is part of a larger shopping complex so the parking is always good!
dxle203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:00 on January 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, about the Danbury one, its because its also next to a Staples, Starbucks, Chipotle, pet store, and a DSW. That parking lot is huge because it has to account for all of those stores.
doonkune ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's is just Aldi products in different packaging and marked up for the hipster market.
smokumjoe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:56:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hipster market? Dude our 50th year in business is this Saturday.
chicckafit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:25:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They gave my 4 year old a flyer about that and he's so excited. Guess I'm spending my weekend at a Trader Joe's birthday party.
SydneyRoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From Hippie to Hipster.
_ak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You say it like it's a bad thing.
SewageSquid ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:20:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
last three Trader Joe's I've seen have had solid sized lots
PettySetGo ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 04:23:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sure, we know it's you Trader Joe
BabaJim ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:40:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuckin Joe, little bitch
ktv13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:25:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually ours has a big lot too.
blackxxwolf3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:31:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ahuh sssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeee
Mrok91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google trader joes off 20th and camelback in phoenix. More common than you think.
blackxxwolf3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah keep saying that trader joe's alt account. YOU CANT FOOL ME!!!
Mrok91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Typhoon2423 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My local one has a huge lot
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in OKC the lot is really big, but when I lived in Everett the lot was like gas station size.
FrankyEaton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the okc lot is deceiving. Actual parking spaces is much smaller than the lot size. Also there are alot of surrounding businesses that take up spots
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I see what you mean, whenever I'm there (in OKC) I never have a problem finding a spot. I gotta get those $5 macarons. I don't think those other businesses are ever particularly busy. I have been meaning to check out that soda place though.
FrankyEaton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pops is awesome. Make the trip to the original near Arcadia if you have time
BabaJim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big, if true
DudesMcCool ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:04:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Trader Joe's actually moved locations to somewhere with a bigger parking lot. It's still too small but you can actually consistently find a spot every time now. It's a nice upgrade.
BlueVerse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:38:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Shake Shack I frequent shares a highly inadequate parking lot with a Trader Joe's, and about 20 other business including a walk-in medical clinic. I have no idea how they got zoning approval.
therest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Orlando? Man I hate parking at that trader joes...
BlueVerse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:26 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winter park, yeah... There's a secret to that parking lot actually: due to the way the traffic flow is restricted coming in off the light, there's almost always a spot or two in the row nearest the street, since you can only get into that row from the north.
mfigroid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here but the lot isn't that big to begin with.
Mitch_from_Boston ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joes doesn't even have a parking lot, around here.
Alexannne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real me too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never thought about this before until just now. Looking back, yeah, the one in Portland is oddly too small, and the one in Vegas, off Decatur is way to small, too!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you live in the same place than OP
megustawalrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf. This is freaky true
afbrh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Madison, WI here. Lots are small.
zip_000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing! I've only ever been to two TJs I think, and both parking lots were tiny, but I never knew it was so common!
Locktopii ยท 619 points ยท Posted at 04:02:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's part of the strategy to cut costs by having everything at maximum capacity all the time. No wasted space. Same reason there are always long queues at the tills - no idle time for checkout staff. They know if the prices are low enough people will put up with this shit.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 07:24:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the trader joe's by my house NEVER has a queue... they keep every register manned, I've never stood in a line longer than maybe 30 seconds at that place. and even if I do get it a line, a cashier will call me over to their empty till.
mycrazydream ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:04:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joe? Trader Joe, is that you?
leiphos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:47:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm Morning Joe. Trader Joe is my cousin.
IAMTRAITORJOE ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:00:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, Joes evil brother here.
leiphos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome username haha! And relevant!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish! The only two I've been to are in Portland OR (Hollywood dist) and Milwaukee, WI so maybe other cities just don't have enough employees??
leiphos ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:45:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the one near me, the line often circles entirely around the store twice, so you start waiting usually right by the registers, and only checkout once you've gone around the store, back by the registers, and around again. There are employees who carry signs to indicate the line's path since the store is also crowded with people not on line.
qwerty-_-qwerty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:09:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Union sq?
GA_Thrawn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf. Why not have the employees holding signs man a register
leiphos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All registers are occupied, and the line would spin out of control without them. It's a very precarious queueing setup.
Bot12391 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not enough registers, or they may not be cashiers. Not everyone gets trained to use the register.
harlemrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, walked in to one like that - immediately walked out. I didn't want Trader Joe's groceries quite that badly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy crap! I've only been to TJ's in two cities (Milwaukee, WI and Portland, OR) but there's always been lots of checkers. I had no idea others were so bad!
superdrunk1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:05 on September 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they have TJs in the UK? 'Cause in 'murica we call it a line, buddy.
bruwin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:32:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they probably get the property for much cheaper because it's not an area that's desirable for a grocery store.
Mr_Grabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All Trader Joe's in my area are in super-desirable areas...
bruwin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Desirable for grocery store, meaning stores that don't have a lot of parking space, or buildings that don't have the space or layout you'd normally associate with a grocery store.
silentanthrx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:34:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
where i live Aldi pulls the same shit. Also the reason i never go there.
Locktopii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are the same company!
laid_on_the_line ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird. Our discounters try to have big parking lots somehow, so that you are not deterred on how full it is and are more likely to come and shop there and especially shop more. Also staff is not just at the checkout here. When it is slow, they have to do everything else in the shop too.
morris1022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had to wait long
morphling4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand your point about waiting in line, but I'd wager that they actually lose money by not having enough parking space.
Stronkowski ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:46:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But... Trader Joe's isn't cheap?
coral_tokerbell ยท 477 points ยท Posted at 03:32:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It continues inside with their tiny aisles too..
MechanicalCheese ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:21:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the only franchise I've ever left without checking out because it was just too damn claustrophobic.
chicckafit ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:31:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love it. It's why I go there. Regular grocery stores with their yawning voids of endless mile long aisles full of birthday cards and Mylar balloons and baby powder and three hundred brands of cereal make me feel like I'll never get out of there.
Sabetsu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tiny bitssss
gasmasquerade ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:29:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read this as tiny assholes
denimbastard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, and I knew if I looked, somebody else would have.
Ucantalas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:59:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We don't want fat people in our aisles."
IndianaGnomes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's so you can fit more stuff in. Worked at a grocery store that did a massive remodel, and that's one of the things they did and it allowed them to add like 4 more aisles (ironically, 2 of which were a Natural Foods section)
nowyuseeme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part that and also it will be designed to fit just enough space for x amount of shopping carts to encourage people to stop in isles and look at products. Everything is designed with sales maximisation, colours, stacking format, stacking order, offers, sometimes even smell and air. Same thing in the UK with the supermarket oligopoly we have.
evilf23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's is the catalyst to my now consistent routine of only going shopping in the first or last hour a business is open.
BonesJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the narrow-shouldered amongst us
itshiptobesquare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as tiny asians.
humanysta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:37 on January 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been to Trader Joe's but I believe their aisles would be considered huge in Europe.
andoman66 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:09:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the auto body industry. I swear 1/5 clients had their accident in a Trader Joes parking lot.
zwck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i wonder how that compares to the wholefoods parking lot accident rates.
iknownuffink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where I live, they are the same thing. One sits right next door to the other.
zwck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the accidents associated to the tjs parking lot could also very well be road-raging mothers and fathers going to whole foods
ambulanceblues ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hiya, Kyle Kinane
Smesmerize ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:46:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the FDA is in bed with Kraft making up expiration dates because mayonnaise doesn't get old!
bigbear75 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:43:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It just becomes miracle whip. That's the miracle!
cfafish008 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:05:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That damn Trader Joe and his subtle racism
RoyaltyRyan ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:21:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up this is why we get dental
PCHardware101 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:56:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HEY IT'SA ME, TRADER GIOTTO
Luke_Flyswatter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:48:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You dare question trader Ming?!
smokumjoe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:54:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Ming deman respect from forrowers!
UNSTABLETON_LIVE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't aknowladge trader Mingh
captainscuffles ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:41:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle Kinane fan?
Darkdude24 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 03:56:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This could actually be true lol, I worked at a smoothie place next to a trader Joe's that was relatively new. There was already a pretty big parking lot behind our buildings but they spent weeks moving a shit ton of dirt and concrete and honestly at the end it seemed smaller than it originally was. Could just be coincidence.
Realman77 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:27:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
San Rafael by any chance? Just guessing because they have a smoothie place next to a TJ's with a good parking lot
Acecarpenter ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:41:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good parking lot for compact cars only. I park near petco so my behemoth of a vehicle won't get keyed (again) by disgruntled TJs shoppers.
WaitTilUSeeMyDick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We shared are parking lot with a Trader Joe's. I often suggested that we could make the parking lot more orderly by passing out sharpened sticks and torches.
1jl ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:59:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they also build their stores too small. Because mine is always packed.
David_Foster_Walrus ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:22:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, TJ's does not develop land (i.e. find a spot and decide to build a new location from ground up) for their stores.
Real estate developers contact them to be an anchor store and TJs tells them to give them the location rent-free(!).
felixjawesome ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:33:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really?
Damn. Smart.
David_Foster_Walrus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:41:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense though, right? Reason I know is because my family is in real estate and they contacted TJs to see if they were interested in the location. They sure were - they generously offered to move in, full stop. Fam said hell no on principle. I dont begrudge TJs though. It's just business ๐
Skreech2011 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:35:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, so why did your family contact them to ask them if they were just going to say no?
bunnylingus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because someone says they're in business, doesn't mean that they're good at it.
What a ding-dong.
David_Foster_Walrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:22:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they found that out the no-rent term when they started initial negotiations.
Skreech2011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay. I was confused. Thanks for clarification.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They thought they'd be able to get TJ to pay rent.
jac_aattack ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:34:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been to the Trader Joe's on Arroyo Parkway in Pasadena CA? Literally the smallest fucking parking lot with little to no parking in the area and an incredible amount of traffic. And no one can fucking drive. It's amazing ๐
pax_lux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:18:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the first Trader Joe's, back when it was just a small specialty store. The grocery strike in 2003 is what brought an influx of customers.
jac_aattack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:06 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first?! How did I not know that? That's a really interesting fact and also makes a lot of sense in terms of the parking.
__NomDePlume__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been there several times. This TJ's literally has like seven parking spots
jac_aattack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao seriously. If it wasn't for my love of the soyrizo, I probably wouldn't waste my time trying to get in that one. But there's another south Pasadena location on Mission and Orange Grove, IIRC, and they have so-so parking but located in a less trafficked area so I usually don't have a problem getting in and out fast.
rdmc23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one right off on Huntington and San Gabriel has a huge lot.
jac_aattack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally always forget about that one. I recently moved to Houston and there's a location in a shopping center with ample parking but the immediate lot around the TJ's just feels super cramped. It's just annoying. But yes, the one on San Gabriel is pretty roomy.
evanvsyou ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:17:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoutout to the TJ's on Hyperion and the blessed angel parking attendant
ljustneedausername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES! He got into a horrible bike accident a couple years ago but thankfully was able to come back and resume business as usual :)
BlancoNinja ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:03:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a 15 year TJ crew member, I can tell you that it is part of the low 'overhead' philosophy that allows prices to stay relatively low. No BS... TJs does 3x the business as big box super markets, but occupies a space that is 1/3 of said big box super markets.
yerlordnsaveyer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:59:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, this is a thing? I just thought Trader Joe's drew the short straw in my neighborhood.
SeabgfKirby ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:03:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our trader Joe's is built into a strip mall near a petsmart and Joanns. The parking spaces are so narrow that they only really fit compact cars causing larger vehicles to park over the line. It reduces the amount of spaces actually available, making the lot smaller. Whoever painted the lines for that lot really should lose their job.
Swise1178 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spokane
SeabgfKirby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virginia Beach actually.
FaxCelestis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...are you in Fairfield?
claudiahurtzyouandme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... Spokane?
disgustipated ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:27:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work corporate for a large national athletic shoe retailer. Our stores were large standalones, usually near malls or shopping centers. The founder/CEO made sure all parking spaces were as small as legally allowed so we could pack more cars in (20 more cars meant 20 more customers).
We had our fair share of complaints from door dings, etc. but in the long run it paid off, especially during back to school and big sales. Parking lots were always full.
basaltgranite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:34:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most strip malls have tiny parking spots. The landlord can charge rent by the square foot for stores. Parking? Overhead, the less the better.
GoatseVonJohnson ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:44:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice one, Mr Kinane
dieselweaselfart ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:51:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, Kyle Kinane
ArsonWolf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:12:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HEY KYLE, DO YOU THINK YOU COULD BARBECUE OVER A VOLCANO?
HeathRoss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:23:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle?
Merudinn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:31:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle kinane?
Piderman113 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the FDA is in kahoots with Heinz, just so they can sell more ketchup to us.
coredumperror ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:41:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is true, or at least it's not universal. I used to live in the town where the first (second? one on those two) Trader Joes was built, and it had horrifically bad parking. I'm talking ~15 spaces shared with an entire 5-store strip mall.
The parking was awful for years, but they eventually solved it... by going out of business from lack of sales. The newspaper article about it said that the owners admitted that they lost the store because their parking was so bad.
MattyMatheson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:44:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Trader Joes near Georgetown in DC has a parking garage.
RkellyMetaphors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, the Trader Joes on 14th street has underground parking that is almost impossible to navigate.
youfailedthiscity ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you Kyle Kinane?
o0poop0oo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:01:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see you are a Kyle Kinane fan lol
Kravy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:26:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mayonnaise doesn't go bad.
basaltgranite ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:33:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joes goes to a lot of trouble to look like a hippie co-op. Actually they're owned by a big, secretive German mega-business.
keineliebe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:51:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. It's literally just a nautical themed german style grocery store. The fact they are owned by Aldi Nord isn't some big conspiracy. They are just styled to be more appealing to Americans in some weird way.
basaltgranite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes. Most US patrons know nothing of Aldi though--and TJs does nothing to disabuse them. Instead, they make a science of clip-art, "hand-made" mailers that look like The Whole Earth Catalog.
sporkyforky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate those things, I have to parse through a paragraph just to get to the damn point.
WaitTilUSeeMyDick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes so much sense immediately. American here. Get my eggs and milk at Aldi's. Didn't know they owned TJs.
b217r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it isn't because they want to seem busier. The thing is they look for properties with cheaper rent, those tend to be locations that don't have the best parking. It isn't devious, its frugal.
BongtheConqueror ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh the seas were angry! We lost a couple crewmen in the south Pacific... But the island women, oh the island women, branch number 847, oh the island women.
drizzyk90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supply and Demand.
MrMexican78789 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:37:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work a trader joes in a decently sized plaza and quite happy with the size of the parking mainly cause half my day is cart collecting.
LoRiMyErS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:00:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end game to the conspiracy is to frustrate people into taking bike to Trader Joe's, thus going green.
sobesmagobes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:09:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you the stand up comedian who does this bit? If so, I love your stuff.
intensenerd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:00:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is going to cinema
Starkville ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:22:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I live in Manhattan, so we don't have parking lots near our Trader Joe's. But that place is ALWAYS busy, whenever I go. Even at 8:30 am on a weekday. Also, they won't build one on the Upper East Side. There are several available retail spots where grocery stores have closed, there is definitely a customer base who's salivating for it, but they won't do it. Then again, I was told for years that TJ's would never operate in Manhattan because real estate was too expensive, and they finally opened several stores here. The demand has stayed high.
archlaw007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:57:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an architect that's designed a couple Trader Joe's I can say that it's not quite "on purpose." Though it's the same effect. The parking lots are designed to meet the requirements of the city they are in. That requirement is usually a formula of 1 parking space per X square feet of building. However, where stores like Target have a minimum requirement much higher than any city requires, Trader Joe's doesn't. Whatever parking the city requires, they provide.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:21:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. All the Trader Joes I've been to in Colorado and Oklahoma have ample sized parking lots.
Jtaltstatt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:33:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thief. This is Kyle Kinanes joke.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stores are also laid out to look busier than they really are.
d4ydreamr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The TraderJoes in my area are parts of bigger shopping areas and so have very adequate parking
StayPuffGoomba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I can think of at least two with a more than adequate parking lot. All the other Trader Joe's I've been to have been part of a larger shopping center and so they have to share with the other businesses, which doesnt help.
Z_as_in_Zebra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:55:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be true. But the Trader Joe's in my little city is packed all the time.
breakinbread ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have small stores because they stock less SKUs of each type of item. The result is they get a similar number of customers as a full sized supermarket but parking regulations are based on building size and use, not customer traffic or sales/square foot.
eloquentlyinept ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually did an entire senior project in college on Trader Joe's and the reason their parking lots are crappy and their eisles are so narrow is so that they can pass savings onto consumers. The narrow shelves allows them to maximize their space, they actually have more products per store than most (any?) Other grocery stores. I believe the parking situation has something to do with cheaper real estate? It's definitely a strategic and purposeful thing. It's been a while and I'm not sure the exact motives anymore.
TLDR it's not in your head.
ihaveyoursox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well thats a straight up fact
Fwob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking busy is exactly what keeps me from going into a store.
lfg472 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's by me is in a strip mall setting with lots of parking, BUT they put up a sensor on the shopping carts that only allow you to bring the shopping cart to a small area of the parking lot or else the wheels lock up.... I think I can confirm this theory
bunnylingus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the signs!
Yerboogieman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're always busy when I go in. But there's always an open checkstand.
sammysalsa8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're big in Washington!
sirmeowmix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude...
castikat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one near me has a perfectly adequate sized parking lot...
Gotelc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know. It is highly likely. But The one in Baton Rouge is in a strip mall with fairly ample parking Although they will always seem buisy in a strip mall with som many stores sharing the parking.
KeyserSozeReddits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is too fucking weird for me.
Somehow this accurately describes the TJ opened up near my home a few years ago. Their parking ramp is oddly narrow. Yeah, the lower level doesn't even have that much of spots. But the unnecessary traffic the lot caused with its excessively narrow ramp was definitely strange considering that this TJ is a part of a small strip mall.
Boondock_Billy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked there. They just buy small spaces to save money. They weren't supposed to become this popular
AtomicFlx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same goes for the store. Isles so narrow two carts can't pass. I fucking hate trader Joe's. I have no problem with the products, corporate cultural or anything like that, I hate the stores themselves. I want to puch people after a trip to TJ.
crispycrunchy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you in LA? Some of them here have entire parking structures beside them!
WaitTilUSeeMyDick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. My God.
Bartelbythescrivener ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the real trader Joe conspiracy is they put a product on the floor and it does well, they knock it off. If they can't do that, they just dump it.....I want my miso soup back.
tayman12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
properties with large parking lots are more expensive... probably some weird expense strategy
SleeplessShitposter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively: the more of a pain in the ass it is to get into a store, the more likely people are to spend a bunch of money in one sitting in hopes of not having to go there anytime soon.
One day's worth of food is easy to predict, but one or two weeks' worth is impossible to do without overshooting it.
BlocksTesting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Trader Joe's has lots of parking. But I have noticed this and other Trader Joe's
sauerpatchkid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....holy...crap. Can confirm. SLC, Utah store.
GnophKeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bert Kreischer, is that you?
nowake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, not really. If Trader Joes is building from the ground-up, their parking lot will need to meet code. Code will specify a certain number of spaces per square foot of retail space, along with how many of those spaces must be reserved for handicap.
It may seem this way if they skimp and lease a building with a pre-existing lot, or if the lot was given some variance to the code. Believe it or not, it would actually cost money for TJ's to go out of their way to make an existing parking lot worse.
xcalibur1992 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:34:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a real estate analyst, and I can verify that this is true. When looking at retail properties, considerations are made for appearance.
boahabba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's just a Theory a Conspiracy Theory.
nick1231 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, listen to Kyle Kinane
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joes is trying to work around minimum parking laws to pass on savings to customers (as well as more profit to the company). Free parking is incredibly expensive for society.
uscjimmy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
never had to deal with that in socal thankfully.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Parking lot sizes are determined by store square footage.
oreo369 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle Kinane?
OblongHaggisFarmer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A youtube channel called Vox made a video about parking and why it takes up so much space. Cool video.
MMPRDCR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:02 on October 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha they need to stop fucking doing that already. like wtf!
even_less_resistance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I swear this goes for Whole Foods too
coraregina ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:11:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WF recently moved in my town, from a shopping center with plentiful and easily accessible parking, to a newer and ritzier one that is a fucking SHITSHOW to get in and out of, with small spaces and door basically right where you try to turn in. The incessant flow of pedestrians means there are often backups into the road from people trying to turn into the lot.
I don't go there anymore unless I have absolutely no other choice.
normalfaults ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read an interview with CEO of whole foods where I believe he confirmed this to be the case ... Can't find it though
JoeyRobot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me I heard a prominent health food grocery in California (I think it was Mother's?) purposely builds their aisles uncomfortably narrow, to discourage obese people from shopping there.
Ca7Snak3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you also believe the FDA and Kraft invented expiration dates???
Agent9262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, in my town they must have specifically chosen a place with a small parking lot. The lot came first.
Ambybutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Canadian and I visit the Trader Joe's in Bellingham every few months (Short drive across the border from where I live) and their parking lot is huge and so are the isles? Granted that's the only one I've ever gone to.
rickiestrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely should have put a serious tag on this one.
Shrouds_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because it cost less to maintain that way. "Pass the savings to the customers" and all that jazz.
SGT_Chowdown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're closing our Trader Joe's, which has a super huge parking lot, and are moving it to a different area (following the rich ppl migration I guess) with a way smaller parking lot. It's evil.
legos_on_the_brain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ours has a huge lot. But it wasn't always a trader's.
SquirrelKnuckle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's where I used to live had a massive parking lot!
funkymunniez ยท 7209 points ยท Posted at 01:57:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Mason jar founded pinterest to boost sales
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 1531 points ยท Posted at 03:39:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've got their fingerprints all over Etsy too
even_less_resistance ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 03:43:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Big Wood is taking over now cause I see planks and driftwood and such more and more.
EssArrBee ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:49:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking pallets. Their everywhere on Pinterest.
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:20:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sticking it to the man, one hideous glob of over-polyurethaned junk wood at a time
thinnes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:05:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uncool. We Pallet Town residents may be few, but we are proud.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/unexpectedpokemon
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may enjoy Fuck Your Noguchi Coffee Table
PM_Me_Rude_Haiku ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:20:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah woah woah!
Artisan vintage driftwood, please.
BurritoBlasterBoy ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 04:10:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Wood, eh? We have something in common then ๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:27:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Expanded comments for dick jokes, got what I expected.
BurritoBlasterBoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:08 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Expanded eh? We have something in common then ๐๐๐
SikkatheDeath ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:41:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything changes when you get in bed with big wood
pocket_turban ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:14:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Ship Lap, goes waaay deeper than most realize.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, heh, Beavis.
Anyway, I imagine big drift wood conglomerate with a giant swamp kiln thing to throw logs into, aging them more quickly so they can come up with the supply faster than harvesting it.
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was my nickname in high school.
veilofmaya1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Wood Brewery?
bless_ure_harte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:56 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:00:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an Etsy store but it's been on 'vacation' for a couple of years. There is no way I can compete with all the other stores on there. Etsy used to claim they wouldn't allow big companies to sell things on there but that's a lie. I've called them out numerous times on it.
alexmason32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:17:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They got their fingerprints in every pie!
[deleted] ยท 255 points ยท Posted at 04:01:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise, those Facebook cooking pages are funded by coconut oil companies, because they always use coconut oil where they could use any other oil
flurryMC ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 05:02:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably because more people would do searches for "coconut oil" these days so they'll get more hits using it in the post.
PM_ME_A_GIF ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:33:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big coconut is planning penetrate the condom and lubricant market
Twixes3D ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:33:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It already penetrated Reddit. Or rather... Reddit penetrated big coconut.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:04:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mayerpotatohead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:25:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty bad for you, but thanks to the pseudoscience of alternative medicine, it's all the rage now for its "health benefits."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:57:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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milleniajc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can, but there's a sweetness that some people don't like with some foods. I don't like making eggs with it, tastes weird to me. Most of my uses are topical versus edible for coconut oil. Moisturizer, lube.
I bet it would be great for coconut curry, and wanted to try it in a baked good, but so far have only tried it in substitute pastries/keto versions. Which can be good, but not like a regular dessert.
Kezaia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:25:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use it as lube. Seriously
DaAvalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my family do the same when we cook... We mostly find it gives a nicer flavour and I think it's healthier which is a plus.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:44:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think but you are wrong. It's is definitely not healthier for you. It is the opposite. Throw that stuff out.
https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/coconut-oil-warning/
94358132568746582 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:19:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coconut oil is terrible for you. It was literally just a marketing campaign that worked far too well. Similar to the "milk does your body good" crap. No, it doesn't help your bones, itโs just a calorie dense beverage, like many other things. Drink water.
Zero_Requiem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
coconut oil is good for you. American Health organisation are lying to you. research.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burden of proof is yours. I'm waiting...
Zero_Requiem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll link some sources when i get home. But the burden isn't mine, I've done my research. If you cared about your health you would do your own research.
edit:
source: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
and read this: http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/saturated-fat-good-or-bad#section5
it's an article with multiple sources.
94358132568746582 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what? We know saturated fat is bad for you and mono and poly unsaturated fats are good for you. Coconut oil has the highest saturated fat content of any cooking oil. There are no magical healthy compounds inside coconut oil to overcome it being made up of over 91% heart clogging saturated fat.
Zero_Requiem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
exactly, saturated fats are good for you! That's why Coconut oil is good for you, because its so high is saturated fats.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/saturated-fat-good-or-bad#section5
read. learn. do not believe what health organisations spoon feed you. Refined carbs are bad. Trans fats are bad.
heres a list of health benefits of coconut oil and sources http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-10-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coconut-oil#section8
94358132568746582 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cutting saturated fats in and of itself does not prevent fatal heart disease, so on that point, the studies you linked are correct. Especially when these saturated fats are just replaced with high carbohydrate foods, which contribute to obesity, which in turn contributes to heart disease.
However, what these studies donโt show is that replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats; such as those found in olives, nuts & fish; greatly reduces the risk of heart disease and heart disease related mortality.
So, my point stands. If you are going to use any sort of cooking oil, using coconut oil over oils high in unsaturated fats is terrible for you.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2676998/
http://jandonline.org/article/S0002-8223%2807%2902079-2/abstract
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11883-999-0033-7
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1445-5994.1994.tb04444.x/abstract
amdrag88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only use it about once a month when cooking thai food
tugkae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But even in Thailand, people don't use coconut oil to cook food though, or do they?
studder ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:39:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says right in the first article you linked, and I quote,
In fact, both articles say it's fine to eat in moderation.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you need to chill on the hyperbole if you're actually trying to make a convincing argument. Don't throw out your coconut oil, just stop buying it.
breakplans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still worth buying for skin and hair in my opinion. I use it to cook very occasionally when making Thai food, because I find olive oil doesn't match the flavors right and I don't always have peanut or canola oil. But a few drops of rosemary essential oils in a bit of coconut oil is great for your hair, and I like to moisturize with it occasionally too.
studder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really good for making pancakes too!
mayerpotatohead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commenter claimed to "think" it was good for you.... the response was to let him/her know that it certainly isn't.... how does this offend you?
studder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because telling people to throw something out because it's less healthy than they think is a wasteful overreaction.
I'm not at all offended by it so how did that offend you?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was more my point, although I could have worded it better. The amount of people I know that use coconut oil based on the fact it's been marketed as being "healthy for you" is scary. I always advise them to throw it out. Wasteful maybe, but healthier than the alternative of using it again. I've watched people cook with it and they will also tend to use more then an alternative due to this "healthier" tag. I appreciate that's anecdotal however. I also do quite like seeing my friends get fatter, makes me look better by proxy.
mayerpotatohead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to chill on being upset about the thought of "wasting" some coconut oil. Although, "offended" probably wasn't the right word.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mayerpotatohead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it in issue if this person chooses to suggest throwing out something that is perfectly useful?
Zero_Requiem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The American Heart association do not care about your health. They are lining their pockets with funds from the corn/wheat industry to promote false information.
These large organisations only care about making money and if that's at the expense of your health, then so be it.
The high carb, low fat diet that's constantly being preached is a lie.
Do a bit of research, do not believe American health organisations.
Many research studies have been funded by the wheat/corn industry to promote their own agenda and line their pockets. Refined carbs are bad. Breakfast is bad for you. This bullshit 'Breakfast is the most important meal of the day' slogan Kellogs made is a lie. It is the most dangerous meal of the day.
Saturated fats do not negatively impact heart disease or diabetes etc.
I have don't have many sources with me at the moment as im at work but heres a start which contains 5 studies.
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read this article, cites a lot of sources http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/saturated-fat-good-or-bad#section5
https://youtu.be/0WTcjRmosyY link to a video from someone on the board of the American heart organisation who says the article the organisation released was false.
wanyequest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:37:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coconut oil is definitely not healthier for you. If you want a "healthy oil" go for extra virgin olive oil.
queefy_vandersnatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coconut oil works best for box cake mixes and honey mustard chicken. That's it. Otherwise olive oil is better. I recently discovered rice bran oil too, which is pretty neutral in flavor.
chuckusmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually corn oil is the healthiest. It's what I generally use.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:43:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They definitely try to sell the "health" angle. Let's fry up these bacon-wrapped burgers. But it's with coconut oil so it's healthy!
DaAvalon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:00:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthier doesn't automatically mean it's healthy it's just a better alternative I'd say
mayerpotatohead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But olive oil is is a cheaper, easier to find, and healthier alternative to coconut oil, so......
DaAvalon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man I never give it much thought I always used to cook with olive oil but recently changed to coconut oil when everyone (inclu me) got swept away with the fad.
mayerpotatohead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resist my friend! Don't be a victim of the BS new-age ploy! Also, movie theatre popcorn had been popped in coconut oil for decades. It's been around a long time, but only recently has there been a massive PR push to make people think there's something special about it.
Kezaia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I worked for a company that has one of those pages. They just blindly follow trends
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, that's just hipsters being hipsters combined with run-of-the-mill pseudoscience food fads. Coconut oil is the healthiest, don't ya know.
churniglow ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 04:07:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You shut that wide mouth of yours." -- Ron Mason, Pinterest Founder
MrMastodon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:35:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
smudgyblurs ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:19:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nonsense. Ball's real money comes from their aeronautics and aerosol canister divisions.
the_wurd_burd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:29:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't expect to find some actual facts in this thread. Nice.
smudgyblurs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:34:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always there to shed light on the threat of Ball Corporation global dominance.
TheMadmanAndre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:27:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always found it amusing how a corporation can do two absurdly disparate things like Bell does. I mean, Mason jars and Satellites. Your think the two have nothing in common...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Glitter was probably all over this too
OldLamborghiniThere ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 05:00:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two of the founders of pinterest are Evan Sharp, and Paul Sciarra
Mason jars are made of glass.
Glass, when broken is Sharp.
If you were you cut yourself on that Sharp glass, it might leave a Sc(i)ar(ra)
BoxxZero ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:33:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking checkmate.
HopefullyImAdopted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was Singed the whole time!
T-MinusGiraffe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:33:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure it wasn't... the Masons?!
swizzler ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:52:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even understand how this site works, I thought it was some sort of craft ideas site thing... but when I tried to use it as that one time I couldn't ever get to the authors post to pull up, every time I tried it just kept pulling up more posts like the one I was trying to open, so I got frustrated and went back to google image search.
Tarukun564 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You understand exactly how it works.
Mascara_of_Zorro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to click on "visit" or "read it" on the right under the picture on the 'post' itself
StMungosPA ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:52:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they also hold stock in all of the burlap companies.
I hate rustic shit. Shit needs to go away. No one wants to sit on a bale of hay at a wedding.
HavenDan ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once did this very thing. I did not want to do it.
StMungosPA ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:37:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recently saw a burlap garter at a craft store. This is madness.
My conspiracy theory is that no one actually wants a rustic wedding. Brides are just being brainwashed into thinking they do.
HavenDan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. My ex wanted one of those and that was a pretty deciding factor in her being my ex.
StMungosPA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:03:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Talk about a boner killer. Nothing would get me less in the mood than lingerie made out of burlap.
bless_ure_harte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:54 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was all the rage in 1346!
heyitsbay ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:12:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still not over the people who came into my store to find burlap to wrap around the tiers of their wedding cake. Not edible "burlap" or something to leave an impression, straight up cloth.
StMungosPA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:21:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disgusting. Seriously. What the hell.
abqkat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I also hate 'rustic' stuff. Mostly because I grew up in the rural US south where we were rustic by necessity, not fashion. And it seems really belittling to basically emulate being broke, by doing it voluntarily. It's huge where I currently live and feels really stupid each time. And seriously, getting married outside on a bale of hay in a farmhouse is silly, and somehow more pricey than a real wedding
StMungosPA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the rustic weddings are quite expensive. Such irony.
mrHappy- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:36:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weโre Going To Enjoy This Cocaine-Fueled Mason Jar Rocket Ride For As Long As It Lasts
comerpintxos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:24:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was the top comment last time this was asked. I love it.
SteamedKloom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:02:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure they're also responsible for the popularity of legal moonshine for the past few years.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:13:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, i hate this. My family has made jelly and pickles and salsa from our gardens for DECADES and i have dairy goats and cows, so i use mason jars to chill the milk.
Pinterest came along and now pint jars have gone from $6 for 18 to fucking $16. And AND! You CANNOT FUCKING FIND LIDS AND RINGS because these Weekend Housewives just want to slap chalk paint on the jar and stick it on a fucking shelf.
Not to mention the feed stores are charging for junk pallets now because of Pinterest. We made kidding stalls years ago out of them for free. Now, a pallet with missing boards and nails sticking out everywhere is $5.
Fuck Pinterest and fuck you damn Weekend Housewives.
TheMadmanAndre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:14 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a case of 12 of them for like 6 dollars at Wal Mart today. They came with lids. Where the hell do you live...?
showmeurknuckleball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew Ball couldn't be trusted.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bless_ure_harte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:55 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use them for sauerkraut. I refuse to buy it.
Actinglead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:08:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They probably did that with money from their aerospace business.
Not kidding Bell, the Mason jar company has an aerospace engineering business.
WAR_TROPHIES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:10:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Hilarious
SAT0725 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There used to be a hippie adjunct at work who would drink water out of a huge mason jar instead of a water bottle. It's like, how far out of your way do you have to go to be quirky? You're trying way too hard...
angryundead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes.
JumpingSacks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I am missing something here.
moonshotman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:24:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ball Aerospace is the same company that manufactures the classic Mason Jar that everyone has come to know and love. The above comment is simply mentioning the fact that every Mason jar has released a cloud of nanites upon opening that transmit your every movement to the Ball satellites in orbit, and all of that data is sold to advertisers and government agencies. As anonymous aggregate data of course.
JumpingSacks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:48:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok fuck it of time travel is ever possible I want to go to that board meeting.
CEO: ok we have the satellites and the nanites ready. How do we get the nanites into people?
Suit 1: Well we could start a vaccination program where the nanites are injected with the cure for the common cold we have been keeping secret all these years.
CEO: good ide-
Suit 2: Wait I have it we sell mason jars.
CEO: shut up Larry, no one likes you.
SUIT 2 (Larry): Wait. Listen we set up a website where people can post stupid artsy stuff that all use mason jars.
We could call it masoncreations.com then what we do is we sell the mason jars with clouds of nanites hidden inside that when opened fly inside the unsuspecting human.
SUIT 1: That's stupid we should call it Pinterest.
CEO: That's brilliant, great idea Chad. You were always my favourite son.
End scene.
this_guy_here_says ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh put a lid on it
MadameHootsALot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd belive it
HeinousCalcaneus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ค Must be in cahoots with big cobweb for Halloween also. My God funky you may have cracked this case wide open!
dioandkskd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well now i feel stupid for having bought mason jars.
CastawayWasOk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/were-going-to-enjoy-this-cocaine-fueled-mason-jar--36779
magusg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was actually the wood pallet lobby.
uber1337h4xx0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/amasonjar care to defend yourself?
username9k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful. The last person who was this reckless wound up with their body dissolved in 42 mason jars. Mason jars are resistant to acid, so they're perfect for making salad dressings or disposing of people who know to much!
turismofan1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about Big Burlap.
MairmanChao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be more inclined to believe this than the actually-true fact that Ball (the mason jar company) also manufactures aerospace parts.
Roadsoda350 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't burst out laughing in quite a while. Thank you.
superdrunk1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:52 on September 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Chalkboard Pen must be in on it too
polyparadigm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:52 on February 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough, they also have their fingers in weapons technology and the space program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_Aerospace_%26_Technologies
darthoprah666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ill believe this once someone starts promoting that the mason jar is stored inside of another, larger and specially designed mason jar.
Rapsberry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it. Can someone explain? :(
Chastain86 ยท 1471 points ยท Posted at 22:46:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I firmly believe -- and will never be dissuaded on this -- that NBA Commissioner David Stern colluded in 1985 to ensure the New York Knicks would end up with the #1 overall pick in the draft, thus ensuring them the services of Patrick Ewing. This is what gave birth to the concept of the "frozen envelope theory." Supposedly the envelope containing the name of the New York Knicks was placed in a refrigerator just prior to the draft, and thus allowed Stern to make sure the Knicks -- arguably their biggest and most important market -- got the top pick in that draft.
pr1ceisright ยท 682 points ยท Posted at 03:39:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love NBA conspiracy theories, even the ones today. Up above there is a comment on how Paul Pierce crapped his pants... I believe it.
ineververify ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 04:12:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
on one hand you have presidential assassinations, government cover ups, banks colluding, Illuminati, simulated realities. on the other Paul Pierce crapping his pants and frosty envelope.
KukukachuGotScrewed ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:24:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you could relate those 2 things to each other on Urban Dictionary somehow.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:50:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's one floating around out there that says the NBA is 100% as fixed/predetermined as professional wrestling. This tickles me as a fan of both professional wrestling and unfettered madness.
Chastain86 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:23:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an above-average fan of the NBA -- I had hoped that the Tim Donaghy scandal and subsequent revelations afterward (i.e., that NBA officiants were instructed to call fouls more consistently on certain teams or not at all against certain players), and the subsequent hiring of Silver as the new Commissioner, might mean the sport would begin policing itself more consistently.
I dispute that it's 100% fixed, but I believe the NBA currently has and always HAS had more than a casual interest in the final outcome. They play favorites. They cancel trades that don't benefit the league from a marketing and ratings perspective. They turn a blind eye to teams tanking for higher draft position. They rig the lotteries so the top markets get better players. They punish disliked owners with unfavorable schedules and targeted, selective officiating. They collude with media outlets like ESPN to promote certain players whose look and feel bring in a young, white demographic over a black, inner-city one. Meantime, the prices to see an NBA game featuring one of their hand-selected "superstars" have become prohibitively expensive for all but the 1%'ers.
There's a lot to dislike about the NBA these days, but I still can't get on board with a "predetermined outcome" being the case. It's not quite kayfabe, but I'll agree with you that you can definitely SEE it from where they're standing.
namkap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The outcomes mean way too much to the individual players to believe that any professional sport is actively fixed. There's some frittering around the edges like you note here in the NBA in all the leagues, but no league actively fixes matches.
ilikethewayyoudothat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:11 on November 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flair up
limsol45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they give the #1 pick to San Antonio over Boston for one of the highly rated player out of college for the #1 pick then if this was the case?
dbadefense1990 ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 05:46:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe in the "bent corner" theory of this conspiracy.
During the draft lottery process, the other draft team's logos were placed in the spinning drum all gently. The logo that would eventually be the Knicks was the only one placed in all rough, showing a bent corner lying down. Needing to know that this bent card had the Knicks logo, commisioner Stern (who'd eventually draw the logos out) felt the pressure to find the bent card when it was time to pick cards. Alas, he to his luck saw the bent card within reach, picked it up, and as he mentioned to the cameras that the team who's logo is that he got gets the #1 draft pick, Stern fidgets with that corner before placing it to the podium.
Perhaps the card was also frozen (never got into that theory), which made it even easier for Stern to find the Knicks card. But for that to be the only bent card in the process? That's the more believable conspiracy theory for me.
Political_moof ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:04:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I've always been skeptical about is that the rolling of the drum seems more "violent" than the original toss. Though Sterns action with the bent corner is interesting. Has anyone done a zapruder film type anaylsis showing that the card he throws in haphazardly is the card stern picked?
Oh who am I kidding, of course the internet has.
Also, bizarre that the fridge theory is upvoted so highly. It's literally just based on the fact that the knicks needed ewing, were a big market team, and got him. There is literally no other corroborating evidencd.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So was there no weighting of the chances in the lottery back then? One card for each team and just draw the order?
falconrider ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 04:00:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a Bulls fan, I'm 80% sure the same thing led to us getting Derrick Rose.
BrokeN18 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:47:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also Cleveland getting LeBron.
falconrider ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:52:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably LA getting 'Zo too. Honestly I'm not mad about any of them. Overall impact made the NBA more fun.
MrBenDerisgreat_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:23:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's close to impossible to rig the lottery the way its done these days.
BoringPersonAMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:18:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it done these days?
MrBenDerisgreat_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:26:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They use an actual lottery system with all team representatives present, not envelopes. It's all recorded and available online.
Check it out here.
bullet50000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:56:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And also audited by EY too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really watch NBA, how is it not like the NFL that the worst team gets the first pick?
MrBenDerisgreat_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst team get the best ODDS not an automatic first pick.
This is a good visual break down.
handlesscombo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is to discourage tanking. Teams still tank but this way the worst team doesn't always get the first pick, its just a higher chance than everyone else.
Every team in the lottery has a chance of getting the top pick. If you were the worst team that chance is 25% and the lowest position you can fall to is 4th pick. If you were the best team in the lottery the chance for the top pick is .5%.
Percentages are determined by an order of 4 ping pong balls. I think there are 1,000 possible combinations. The worst team gets 25% of all possible combinations for that first pick. Process is repeated for picks 2-4 and then from that point it goes by season record.
BrokeN18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah as a Lakers fan I'm excited to have a hometown kid on the team. The odds weren't terrible but it was extremely lucky for the team to keep their pick for 3 straight years, kind of makes you think.
Chastain86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to the Lakers home-page and the article on this year's draft, they had a 15.6% chance of getting the #1 pick this year, and a 15.7% chance of getting the #2 pick -- which is, of course, what they got.
So no, the odds weren't infinitesimal, but you're right that they've been pretttttty damn lucky considering they tried to tank even MORE down the stretch and unluckily ran into some teams who were even MORE intent on losing. coughcough PHOENIX
GlazedReddit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:33:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kind of adds to the theory they hate the Toronto Raptors due to the CDN$ since they didn't give Canadian Wiggins or Thompson to bump the franchise.
It's even been touched on by American sports reporters that there is an obvious bias against Toronto during playoff calls as if the refs are instructed to and they keep pissing off the league by doing relatively well.
falconrider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can believe your theory, but I think the main contributor is that they would only risk a fix for the biggest of bucks. Knicks (Ewing), Lakers (Lonzo Ball, my own theory but seems believable), and Bulls (Rose) are the top 3 markets in the NBA.
That being said, I could totally see a Canadian star flourishing on a Canadian team being a huge plus for basketball viewership, so maybe there is some incrimination of some foreign-nation discrimination.
GlazedReddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:08:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You got to think they would want the team to flourish but I think they want to move the team to the states like Vancouver. A big thing about the playoff discrimination is I think they cannot afford to have Toronto make the NBA Finals and have to deal with the Broadcasting contracts. The loss of ad revenue along with broadcast rights since we have laws in Canada that may force them to play Canadian market commercials and share rights with companies that trade on a sub-par currency.
ElderAntler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Raptors didn't have a shot at Wiggins in the first place lol. They won too many games the year before to even be considered a lotto team...let alone draft the dude going #1 overall lol.
And no one is out to get them come playoffs. The Raptors two best players just so happen to be some of the worst playoff players in NBA history.
GlazedReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree on the first bit due to the stats (still pisses the league off when they do well) but the league rigged the draft multiple times to build Cleveland up for LeBron. Either giving him players to compliment him in order to win championships (Kyrie, Thompson) or enough pieces to bring in high profile players LeBron wanted to play with (Wiggins for Love)
Wiggins fix was just as bad as Rose. Both the Bulls and Cleveland had 1.70% to land the first pick.
And yeah I agree with Lowry/DeRozen falling off in the playoffs but the foul calls are insane. Let's not forget the famous "LeBron Diving" meme came from the Raptors series.
wade3690 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had something like a 1.5% chance of getting the #1 pick i believe? Made for a good story though. Derrick Rose who played at Simeon in Chicago getting to come back and play for the Bulls
WinstonsTasteGood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:58:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really enjoy how vague this comment is.
wade3690 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh?
ILookLikeDrewGulak ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:46:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something you didn't mention, but as they're putting the envelopes in to shuffle them, they clearly bang the corner of one of the envelopes, presumably the one that has the Knicks logo inside.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:00:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love NBA conspiracy theories. They're the best.
There was the one about Paul Pierce pooping his pants
There was the one where MJ's baseball career was really to cover up a suspension for gambling
There was the one where Greg Oden broke his knee falling down the stairs drunk and on cocaine and so they circulated an embarrassing rumor about him breaking it playing Dance Dance Revolution to draw attention away
There were the 2000 western conference finals, in which the Trail Blazers had a trip to the NBA finals taken away in the 4th quarter of game 7 after an absurd number of fouls were called on them, sending the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe to the NBA finals because LA is a more important market than Portland.
There were the 2001 where basically the same thing happened except it was the eastern conference finals with Philly and Milwaukee
FoghornLegporn ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:08:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And don't forget the 2002 WCF that robbed Sac and gave the Finals to the Lakers.
bullet50000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:59:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm gonna say is watch Game 5. That shit was pretty damn bad in favor of the kings
Easytotell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:18 on August 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The greatest tragedy in sports" on youtube covers this extensively.. recommend skimming through it
ram0h ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Portland shrank
pjmcm ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:40:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about how he fircefully tossed the envelope into the bowl, causing one of its corners to bend
Chastain86 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 04:47:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put nothing past David Stern. If there was a contest for Most Corrupt Individual To Lead a Major Sports League... well, Stern would get some votes. Probably behind the IOC. And cycling. And soccer. And boxing. And Roger Goodell. And Gary Bettman. And a host of other corrupt motherfuckers.
Political_moof ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:05:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But some goddamn votes nonetheless.
SydneyRoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:16:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeach Bettman!
handlesscombo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I like dislike Stern, he was very good at expanding the NBA as a brand. The NBA continues to be one of the best and progressive sports leagues in America.
Chastain86 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:29:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll get on board with that.
It's important to note that David Stern also benefitted immensely in that the majority of his expansion efforts and seeming misdeeds happened before the internet was a huge part of everyone's lives, and so he was able to operate without the looming shadow of the microscope of public opinion. I give him a lot of credit for making the NBA accessible to many paying audiences... but that doesn't excuse the fact that the NBA has been priced out of the visibility of most consumers, and exists now, predominantly, as a TV-only sport.
I can't speak for your geographic area, but I live in Phoenix, and my team is what most impartial audiences would deem "not very good." But to get tickets to see the Suns play a scrub team that's also "not very good" would cost me at minimum $45-50 a ticket... and if I wanted to see the Suns get massacred by a team of stars like Golden State, or Cleveland, or even a middling team like the Bulls or Rockets, tickets will START at around $150-200. When it's no longer feasible for an average family of four to watch your sport in person, that's a terrible bellwether for your continued feasibility as a sport. I mean, say what you will about the MLB, but it's still possible to take your family to a game without considering whether you'll need to plan for it like a vacation.
BobcatOU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree with you about how ridiculous the price of an NBA ticket is, but the comparison to baseball isn't a perfect one. Baseball stadiums are roughly twice the size of NBA arenas and MLB has twice as many games as the NBA.
Chastain86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, and I should've taken that into consideration -- thank you. If we want to keep audiences and length of season in consideration, I would guess the NHL is probably a better touchpoint -- the top teams in each league attract about 800-900k per year. And the cost of an NHL ticket is about the same as the NBA, and even in some cases skews higher than the NBA.
Yikes. Guess I'm lucky that my local NHL franchise is not very good.
BobcatOU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:11 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I have an AHL team in my city! The Cavs are expensive enough!
handlesscombo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:26 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think those prices depends on the sport. Baseball will always be cheaper cause there are +30,000 more seats and twice as many games as basketball. But I agree its hard to make NBA a live family event between the expensive tickets and the blackout date rules on watching teams live.
Also I live in NYC so Knicks tickets during the time they went 17 wins are like $80 for nosebleeds. On average its $150 and i never ever bother when a big name team comes to town.
the_peoples_elbow91 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:21:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the plot of an encyclopedia brown mystery.
rooftops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say the same thing! It's been close to a decade since I've read it, but I still remember it.
CrossYourStars ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:27:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this same vein, I firmly believe that the 2012 draft was rigged to get Anthony Davis to the Pelicans. It is way too suspicious that the league takes control of the team, puts a stop to them trading away Chris Paul to the Lakers and they coincidentally they get the #1 pick right before the league tries to sell the team.
TeamMountainLion ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:09:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the theory that Stern colluded with Michael Jordan to rid him of his gambling debts and force an early retirement?
DevsiK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:35:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe this one because MJ probably brought stern and the whole league more money than any other player ever at the time. Keeping him around is simply more profitable for Stern
L3thal_Inj3ction ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also James Dolan, the owner of the Knicks, owns Ernst and Young, the accounting firm that handles the NBA draft lottery.
PokeyTifu99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he bent the corner of the envelope when he threw it into the spinner?
OutrideGaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:26 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
off topic, happy cake day!
Chastain86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks man! I honestly didn't remember at all. Very nice!
trolltoll4hole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:12 on September 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact. Went to high school in ga with Ewing jr. For a year. He was pretty good. Hurt a kid real bad in a game though. Kind of a douche but everyone was all over him.
He carried around a bobble head of his dad's and would ask it questions. His favorite was "an I better than you?โ and make it say yes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This still happens today. All 2016-2017 season people complained about parity and oh look! Another big-market team (Celtics) with young talent who has a chance to be competitive to the Cavs within the next 3 years gets the first pick! And the Lakers get 2nd to draft the big marketed name and become relevant again! What a coincidence!
EDIT: There are just too many coincidences throughout the years pertaining to the draft - there is absolutely collusion/corruption going on amongst owners and the commissioner in the NBA whether it be the draft, refereeing, etc.
handlesscombo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I think the Celtics played that well. Brooklyn is the one who messed that up. Trading your first round picks for players who left the team after a year. That was one of the dumbest moves ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard not to believe any of the NBA conspiracy theories. Tim Donaghy didn't help.
Footinthecrease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then they went on to win all those championships because of Ewing.......
Browntownss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a knicks fan, it's a shame the best they could support Ewing with was John "Lets give Reggie 8pts in 9secs" Starks. Fuck John Starks.
Chastain86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason might be terrible human beings, but they were pretty damn good basketball players to pair up with Ewing.
Browntownss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, I may still be slightly salty due to Starks. Not Spike Lee levels by any stretch, but its still there.
MrLomax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this theory, but I also think it's possible the Knicks' envelope was purposely dented in order to distinguish it from the other envelopes.
IveAlreadyWon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And unfortunately for the Knicks, the Rockets had a Dream.
thesneakywalrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, there's a video that highlights that shows them intentionally bending the corner of an envelope, followed by Stern identifying and pulling that envelope from the middle of the stack.
useyourcharm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:59 on November 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I understood sports because this seems like a juicy theory but I definitely donโt understand it.
CallahanWalnut ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 03:51:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worst one here
Bantheshroom ยท 5839 points ยท Posted at 16:46:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
D.B Cooper: The whole flight crew was in on the scam, nobody jumped out of the plane. He hid somewhere the authorities wouldn't have checked and then strolled out with the money wearing an outfit he had under his clothes.
theDUDEhasreturned ยท 1802 points ยท Posted at 19:45:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's not what happened in Without A Paddle!!
anderc26 ยท 521 points ยท Posted at 20:57:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter; saw downstairs.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:50:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She had it pierced!
Tino9127 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:29:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's a downstairs?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:55:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOOM!! Blew my... ribcage all to shit.
tara75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anderc26downstairs.com
paigezero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People, do not take this advice, do not saw your downstairs.
down42roads ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:47:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Prison Break.
therestruth ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:15:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that show so much, at first.
Itzvan100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happened?
therestruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They drew it out too long and the last couple seasons lost a lot of the quality and character development. It tried turning itself into the other show that had just came out: 24.
therestruth ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:15:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That movie will forever be linked to the one time I got caught stealing content. I downloaded it from Limewire back in the day and my parents got a notice about piracy and shutting off the internet. I was forced to delete it and Limewire before I could even watch it.
FF3LockeZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really much of a conspiracy.
therestruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What part of my story lead you to believe anything I said was part of a conspiracy?
FF3LockeZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I apologize. My comment was in jest. Merely a jape.
therestruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, ok, no worries.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:51:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First you mock my sweaty ballsack, now you want to cuddle with it?
Eternity_Incarnate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:39:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about that one episode of Leverage?
Dark_Vengence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That hairy chick was pretty hot.
Eddy_Khadra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or prison break ...
nc2tbvp25vheos9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I not remember Without A Paddle? What are you referencing?
HorseMeatSandwich ยท 2365 points ยท Posted at 20:42:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
D.B. Cooper took the money and went on to live under the alias Tommy Wiseau.
Gyrgir ยท 1223 points ยท Posted at 23:20:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm partial to the theory that Ron Paul is D.B. Cooper. The age-adjusted sketch that the FBI released in 2008 looks a lot like Paul, and pictures of Paul from the mid-70s look a lot like the original sketch. Paul's height (5' 11") also matches Cooper's description.
In addition, Paul first ran for office in 1974, the year after the hijacking, which would fit if the hijacking was a way a raising money to go into politics.
HorseMeatSandwich ยท 858 points ยท Posted at 00:25:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow this might actually be the most plausible theory. Has anyone ever seen Ron Paul and D.B. Cooper in the same room? How good are Paul's wilderness survival skills?
Tw1tcHy ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 04:38:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ron Paul lives just a few miles from me and delivered many of my friends when they were born. I see him fairly often riding his bike, at his age the dude is still moving pretty well. Subtract ~45 years and I can only imagine that he'd dominate a survival test in the wild.
RipCity77 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:46:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, if you get a chance just straight up ask him if he's D.B Cooper and see what he says
Touch_My_Nips ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 05:59:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ron Paul was an OBGYN?
prancingElephant ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 07:35:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep
KaJashey ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No bullshit answer: Yes.
Tw1tcHy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:17:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, for several decades. Not sure what the other guy is talking about when he says it was as a volunteer...
Waltonruler5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:38 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but he was really enthusiastic to teach kids about the constitution as soon as possible.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:04:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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prancingElephant ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:36:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this from something?
netramz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:28:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is a "volunteer/enthusiast/hobbyist OBGYN"?
TheProtractor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:10:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A guy that asks for pictures of vaginas on craigslist to determine if a women is pregnant or not.
IAMABitchassMofoAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he does climb mountains.
delecti ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 04:59:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I haven't seen either of them in any room, so apparently I'm both Ron Paul and D.B. Cooper.
TheNoseKnight ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:18:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get 'im boys!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vote for 'im boys!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
i_broke_wahoos_leg ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:46:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until there is a photo of Paul and Cooper on the plane on the night in question I can't think of a single reason why you would believe otherwise. The burden of proof is undeniably in his court.
imperial_ruler ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 02:24:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On top of that, the guy is a hardcore Libertarian, possibly because he wants the government to be too weak to investigate further and try to go after him for his crimes.
Maybe reddit is on to something here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except he was a gyno for years previous
kebabwhy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:43:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone's seen DB Cooper in any room for a while.
greedo4president2016 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:03:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how good of a gynecologist was D.B. Cooper?
ocultada ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:03:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did serve in the air force, I'd assume the provided him with some sort of survivalist skills.
prancingElephant ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:37:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was a flight surgeon, according to wikipedia. He would definitely have been familiar with both planes and parachutes.
BoeingSeven4Seven ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:24:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
itshappening.gif
kosmic_osmo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:25:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dale gribble its dale gribble.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:06:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea of it but didn't they mark the bills using serial numbers or something making the money unspendable?
RunningInSquares ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:48:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
5'11"? Wow, what an uncommon height for a person to be! It must be him!
The_Naked_Snake ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "presidential candidates are actually players in old conspiracy theories" joke is one of my favorite the internet has graced us with. It is also the favorite of Ted Cruz: The Zodiac Killer
basiamille ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As he parachuted away, he was heard to shout, "It's happening..."
tinycole2971 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:00:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit. r/UnresolvedMysteries is gonna love this theory!
showmeurknuckleball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the money was never spent?
Gyrgir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:43:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's believed it was never spent because the bills never made their way back to banks. But many of Paul's core supporters don't trust the banking system.
Edwardteech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some was found in South America years later in circulation.
gl0bals0j0urner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:06:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source? To my knowledge the only recovered bills were found rotting in the banks of the Columbia River in 1980.
Edwardteech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:21 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mistake i can't find that anywhere not sure where i heard /read that.
speedyjohn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:42:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know someone who wrote several pages about why D. B. Cooper was Thomas Pynchon. It actually sorta made sense.
atakalam_bisaraha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
sukkitrebek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As fun as that is of a theory, I highly doubt that. If you one of the most wanted men in America at the time, the last thing you're gonna do is go plaster your face all over and put yourself in the limelight like that. Our government is dumb but not that dumb lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ive been 6' my whole life and met ron paul in person
if hes 5'11 then scales have been lying to me my whole life and im anywhere between 6'3 and 6'6
leiphos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:02:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unbelievable that your mom was able to deliver you at that height.
pacman_sl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:21:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/RonPaul_Channel, this is your chance: are you D.B. Cooper or not?
rogue_talk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just lazily skimmed thru his wiki and no where in my blurred research did I see a D.B. Cooper reference. This saddens me
TheMusicMan57 ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 21:39:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG THIS ACTUALLY MAKES SO MUCH SENSE.
Deroni76 ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 22:32:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except it doesn't because D.B. Cooper would be in his 80s or 90s by now. If Tommy Wiseau truly is him, I'd like to know the type of botox he uses.
TheMusicMan57 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:39:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time Travel?
Deroni76 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:40:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How didn't I think of that.
Hayes231 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:27:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rookie mistake
FartSnackwell ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:05:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay, he can go back and fix it
TheMusicMan57 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:43:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOURE TEARING ME APART Deroni76
BlueThumbtack08 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:59:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The type you can only afford with super heist money.
ThatOneHandedGuy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:48:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tommy Wiseau does have the appearance of someone who got really well-done, really bad Botox. Like before the technology was good, but the doctor knew their shit. It's this uncanny valley of youthfulness, where he both looks to be older than time itself and around 40-50.
spookyjohnathan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The kind that a million dollars gets you.
theunnoanprojec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's claimed that Tommy is older than he appears, but like, i was thinking he'd be in his 60s as opposed to his 50s.
readbroll ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:33:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really like this theory, mostly because it makes Tommy Wiseau that much more entertaining. But I tend to subscribe to the theory that Greg Sestero poses in The Disaster Artist. Especially since, if it's true, it almost makes Tommy Wiseau sympathetic.
Extra_Napkins ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. What a story /u/HorseMeatSandwich.
dispwned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, you've got me convinced.
LHOOQatme ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:56:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is always a relevant xkcdยฎโข
ItsReallyMeSid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Chester Westmoreland, right?
Rofl47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit
GentlemanlyOctopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha, what a story, Mark.
Canadian_bacon1172 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 20:44:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he survived, hit a lady with his car on the drive to mexico, and went to fox river penitentiary under a different name.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:59:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with a cat
uncovered-history ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:47:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But helped Michael Scofield, his brother Lincoln, and several others escape.
blacknwhitelitebrite ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, DB Cooper was Richard McCoy Jr.
mitochondrial_steve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He even looks like the sketch.
Elessar_Inman ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 06:05:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about 90% sure D.B. Cooper was my uncle. Looked exactly like him, worked for Boeing and knew a lot about planes, knew the states of Oregon and Washington like the back of his hand, ran into financial troubles and started losing his mind around the time the heist happened, and died under highly suspicious circumstances at about the right time (the authorities didn't let anyone see the body).
Also, his first two initials were D.B.
EDIT: A little more information, since people have requested it:
D.B. stood for Donald Brutka. He tested prototype planes for Boeing, and also served as kind of a go between for Boeing and the Military, reporting to the latter about planes the former was making and analyzing their potential uses (at least I think that's what he did. He was never allowed to talk about it). And according to my mother, he might have worked around radiation at some point, but why I have no idea.
He eventually quit his job and started living in a trailer (he lost the money from his job on alcohol and gambling) and began distancing himself from the rest of the family. He also seemed to be going a little crazy (although this may have been because of drug use).
I don't remember the exact date, but he (allegedly) died in his trailer. None of us from his family ever saw the body, we just got a visit from the police telling us he had been found and identified (we don't know by whom, though) and he was going to be interred in a few days. We were never allowed to see the body nor attend his burial.
From pictures I've seen (although I can't find any right now) he does look quite a bit like the FBI sketches of D.B. Cooper. He was 39 when he disappeared, the right age. He would have known all that he needed to about planes and parachuting (which may explain why Cooper requested military style parachutes, which require training to operate). He had traveled all around Oregon and Washington in his youth and was very familiar with the land and the topography. And with his declining mental and financial state, I wouldn't have put it past him to have done it. I don't think he would have had any trouble abandoning his family for a completely new life.
SquashyDisco ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:53:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do explain more.
chiefrios ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:59:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta tell more!!
Fyre2387 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:05:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we all know that D.B. Cooper was, in fact, Adam West.
b00m5t1ck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I was short on cash, I had bad representation, I was desperate ... Judge not a man by the size of his shoes!โ
Gapescope ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 19:14:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I thought they found a piece of the plane but only a piece. Some people say he never even took the money with him but instead buried it somewhere.
CastawayWasOk ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 22:59:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They found the whole plane...intact...landed on a runway.
spongish ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:44:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last place they'd think to look, my god, that's genius!!!
Lebagel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, DB Coops was not flying the plane.
ponyboy414 ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 19:58:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plane was fine, they did find some money though.
PCRenegade ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 20:22:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They found a sign that's from the back stairs in the plane in the forest a few years later. I assume that's what they mean. It likely was blown off when Cooper jumped.
ponyboy414 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:25:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, but they could throw a sign from a plane, to take investigators off the trail, but why throw money?
HiddenKrypt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:53:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same reason. You want to convince people that Cooper jumped and successfully made it to the ground, so you toss a little bit of the cash. It cuts into your take only a little bit, and it makes the story that much easier to sell.
PCRenegade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No idea :)
valiantfreak ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:17:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I respectfully disagree with you here, based on one thing:
When they found that bundle of money in the river it was still in a bundle.
Even if the flight crew was in on it and knew the serial numbers would be traced, even if they decided to make it seem real by opening the door mid-flight to chuck out a bunch of money: why keep it bundled? What are the odds of the bundle being found in such dense wilderness? It could easily get stuck in a tree or washed away in a river, or stuck somewhere completely inaccessible.
Better to open the bundle and chuck it out the open door as a bunch of loose notes to increase the chances of it being found. Surely if they were smart enough to pull off the rest of the heist they would know the odds of one bundle of money being found are very slim.
For this reason I doubt the crew was in on it, although it is possible.
Hydris ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:33:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one would bat an eye at a loose bill. Well rather no one would find it suspicious, just that they were lucky.
tesla_is_my_hero ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:03:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they froze a bundle in a block of ice?
Lebagel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's to say what other false clues they didn't find?
tunersharkbitten ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:15:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or he parachuted out with the money, buried it somewhere in utah, and then made his way down south and was arrested for vehicular manslaughter... and then sent to fox river state penitentiary.
and then he met michael scofeild ;)
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:58:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except no money has ever turned up in circulation. He ded
Maxuranium ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coulda used it to buy illegal drugs, guns, stolen gold or paintings to launder the money.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it would have turned up in circulation.
uss1701jb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the people he used it with also never let it enter circulation.
Maxuranium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless it only reached banks in small amounts from different people in different locations, they dont log every bank notes serial number.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they do, the bills are so old they would have been sent back to the treasury to be replaced/destroyed.
The FBI knows every single serial number
NoAstronomer ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:38:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually probably the most rational explanation. No one with any parachute experience would have made that jump. No one without parachute experience would have made that jump.
The only conclusion is that there was no jump.
Dyolf_Knip ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 23:22:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arguably only someone without parachute experience would have tried the jump.
mipadi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:46:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to the money, though?
NoAstronomer ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:50:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They stuffed it somewhere (plenty of places to hide shit on a plane if you know where) and threw some out of the back.
mipadi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:58:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why go to all that trouble, and then never spend any of the money?
FpsAmerica902 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:52:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude got bored, wondered if he could steal a bunch of money and temporarily steal a plane.
petikgrant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:50:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GTA irl
Regalingual ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:59:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, someone who had some experience with parachutes, but not enough to be able to recognize how monumentally and stupidly risky that jump was; one of the FBI's modern suggestions is that he might've been part of the Air Force who would've gotten some rudimentary training in how to operate a parachute in an emergency (specifically, one of the guys who helped make high-altitude supply drops).
canned_koalas ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:30:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm too baked to go into the details but I find the theory that DB Cooper was also the Zodiac Killer to be an entertaining one, no matter how foolish it could be.
actual_factual_bear ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:27:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So DB Cooper stole the money to start his career in politics?
Dyolf_Knip ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:23:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And also Jack the Ripper who got ahold of a Lazarus pit.
paprikaparty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once saw a theory that the Zodiac Killer was also the Black Dahlia murderer. Not sure if it's believable but it was very interesting.
sjmiv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that were true someone in the flight crew would have come forward. Before or after the crime
xraig88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was so excited when it was theorized that Don Draper would turn out to be D.B Cooper. Evidence was piling up to support the theory, he even left and went West all of a sudden, but then nope. Just smiles and makes a Coke commercial.
WallabyWriter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, that kid found a wad of 100s in a river. Also that's a way more complex scheme, convincing an entire flight crew to go along with it and getting them on the same flight? Plus it's wayyyyyy more glorious that he just disappeared.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0-NzSrt9_WA
JimmyBoombox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:17:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying 42 people were in on the scam? That's highly unlikely.
Meatball_express ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:57:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
42 can keep a secret if 41 are dead
AtomicRaine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:16:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes aside, i think op meant just the cabin crew were in on the scam, so only a handful of people.
Zatchoacho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. It's well known that he is in prison with Michael Scofield.
VilePug ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, but I'll still upvote because this is a cool theory.
i_broke_wahoos_leg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the money found many years later found by the boy?
Bantheshroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could have thrown some of it out
lizardscum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wrong, he died in a failed break out attempt from prison.
-Balgruuf- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:46:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone tell me the story of DB Cooper?
Was it a commercial airline, or something smaller? Where did the money come from that he stole? If he opened the doors, wouldn't the air suck people out like we see in movies?
notorious_emc ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:21:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super interesting story that I recommend you read because the details are fascinating. Commercial airline that he hijacked by telling the stewardess he had a bomb. The money was provided by the FBI after all of the bills were photographed and their serial numbers were recorded. He had all of the hostages go into the cockpit while they de-pressurized the cabin (not sure of the phrasing there), he activated the aft airstair apparatus, then jumped. None of the money has ever been found. Like I said, quite an interesting story that you should read sometime.
MrLomax ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:57:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite detail is that he ordered a bourbon right before he started the hijack.
AtomicRaine ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:28:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sat down, ordered a bourbon and coke, smoked a cigarette, ordered another bourbon, said please and thank you, stole 200k and jumped out of a plane, never to be seen again. In a weird way I admire him
sunshine_rex ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The short of it is that a man named DB Cooper hijacked an airplane, demanded 200k, demanded the plane take off again and then the fucker jumped out of the thing over some crazy ass territory and had never been seen again. Some years later some of the bills were found near the river but other than that, nothing.
It was in like 1973 when you could take a bomb on an airplane with relative ease.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:21:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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the_421_Rob ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:52:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The money also never turned up but I'm convinced he bought drugs from a Mexican cartel then resold the drugs for cash, the money in question is probably still wrapped and hidden away in Mexico
Regalingual ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:03:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively: he died in the landing, and his corpse has either never been recovered, or has been recovered but never had the link made between it and his identity as D.B. Cooper.
the_421_Rob ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:24:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the romance in all of this?
KnashDavis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would make sense.
Lebagel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would the Mexican mafia never use the money?
the_421_Rob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could have easily been wrapped and stashed like I said we are talk about a group that deals in millions of dollars it's possible that it was stashed in a building for future use, noted in a ledger that it's on hand and more or less forget about
Lebagel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose that's possible, but fanciful nonetheless. You'd also expect it to eventually turn up and it's been a long time.
the_421_Rob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll admit I like the romance of it and I like to think he pulled it off this also explains if he did what happened to the money
Nume-noir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hold on, everywhere it says that the money never went back into circulation. Do mexican cartels use US dollars? If they were, wouldn't it make sense that the money could still be used there and practically be exchanged for some more "clean" money?
-Balgruuf- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they gave him the money while the plane had landed?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:48:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. It was ransom money. He didn't just rob everyone on the plane
brianxhopkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a chance the FBI gave him bad parachutes? I doubt he would have known if a parachute was going to work or if it was a dud before opening it in the air.
Bruins01 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:33:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper#Hijacking
[deleted] ยท -41 points ยท Posted at 02:49:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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-Balgruuf- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:08:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow dude, who took a shit in your cocoa puffs today?
CORNER! NOW!
no_viable_person ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:46:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be me.. I'm really sorry
Captainshithead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's most likely that D.B. Cooper was David Bowie
doom32x ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:53:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he was The Sovereign.
mrkrabz1991 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but some of the money was recovered in a shallow stream in the area where he would have jumped. So he for sure jumped.
romulcah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they threw some of the money out the back of the plane
mrkrabz1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes 0 sense. Why would they throw a sack of money out the back in a thunderstorm thinking "oh they'll find this in 30 years and think I jumped"
bacon_cake ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:40:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They would have thrown it out thinking "someone will find this in a few days and think I jumped"
Bantheshroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could have thrown some of it out
mrkrabz1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
Bantheshroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To make everybody think he jumped
mrkrabz1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he through out 100k into the stormy weather to throw off the small chance that authorities find the bundle of cash way out in the woods 30 years later? Think about what you just suggested.
Bantheshroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't aware it was bundled, I thought it was loose notes. They found 100k? I'm surprised that much money was found all together.
mrkrabz1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They found a bag full of 100 bills. The theory is he tied it to a jump cord to dangle beneath him as he parachuted and it broke and fell.
Bantheshroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you got a source that says they found 50% of the 200k?
rennez77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quite plausible, but what about the money that was found
busterbluthOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The flight crew definitely wasn't in on it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, are you also saying he hid some of the money to be found? To throw off the authorities?
8BitsIsEnoughForMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you explain the money with the correct serials numbers found in a river years later
kebabwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch unsolved mysteries dude. Their first episode from the early 90s covered it. People found multiples bundles of cash along the river he would have landed near. Lots of them with the serials intact and matching the list made before they gave him his cash.
Bantheshroom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:48:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could have thrown some of it out
NotDBCooperAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is we might never know.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why was some of the money found?
cmitch10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. He died in a prison trying to escape with Michael Schofield
Moomshinemel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was just a new news article about this YESTERDAY!
barto5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So where's the money?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He actually got caught and served a sentence in Fox River Penitentiary for a while before he escaped with 7 other inmates.
leiphos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then did what with the money? Every bill was marked and they have not turned up to this day.
CumStainSally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were recent developments in the case, and a push to reopen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they watched him jump out of the plane
RilinPlays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I remember hearing that some of the money from the hijacking was found buried in the bank of a river, and that his parachute was found in the woods
nug4t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:34 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he probably died without protection at - 57c and later rain... even proffesionals wouldnt dare such a jump nowadays. He jumped straight into the wildness
goddammitMicah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They found a cache of money on the banks of the Columbia river matching the serial numbers of the ransom money...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:32:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only in 1980 they found some of the money....
Bantheshroom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:48:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could have thrown some of it out
karizake ยท 4939 points ยท Posted at 01:30:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Pope Francis had just started there were some rumors that he would dress as a normal priest at night and volunteer at soup kitchens and whatnot incognito. I like the thought of the Pope getting just a tiny bit too stressed adjusting to his new job.
kilowatkins ยท 1096 points ยท Posted at 03:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came here expecting to find depressing things that I refused to believe. Thanks for proving me wrong!
kaiplay ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 07:31:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I had a similar thought. "What am I getting myself into if I read these?" Apparently theories about a guy in the NBA pooping his pants and the Pope doing volunteer work.
heavyfrog2 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 09:31:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, this is not a subreddit for religious people, so no worries.
genericname__ ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:31:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
XD le edgy r/atheism post bro fuck religion lololol
/s in case you didn't get it. r/atheism is ironically more toxic than most of the religiously populated subs.
heavyfrog2 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:17:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/atheism would not exist if there were no religion. You lose the argument right there, bro.
Nihmen ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 09:44:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The very fact we still have a pope is depressing
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:34:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
RealMurio ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 11:39:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Cause science
cath91 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:04:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the science that has been funded and promoted by the Catholic Church throughout history?
RealMurio ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 12:06:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think "funded and promoted" means what you think it means.
cath91 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:08:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...so what does it mean?
Edit: Will you explain that to us? I thought the Catholic Church did a lot for science and the belief some people hold of the Church being anti-science was simply a myth (basically, fake news, as people love the term these days), just like the "Jesus comes from Horus" myth and many others.
RealMurio ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:24:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, funding means giving out money adn resources, while promoting means to help its establishment.
Which is kinda hard if you kill scientists that do not agree with you. I mean, that's basically the opposite of "science".
cath91 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:29:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you provide any sources to support what you say? Also, check the edit from my previous comment if you haven't done so.
This is one source I always have with me: https://darwinwatch.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/science-and-religion-%E2%80%93-where-is-the-conflict/
Also, even Wikipedia (sometimes wrong in these matters) claims what I claim in a general way: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Catholic_Church
Your turn.
Edit: Grammar.
H31s3nB3rg ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've never heard of Galileo Galilei, have you?
cath91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:43:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I have! Another myth. Source: http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/galileo/debunking-the-galileo-myth.html
Eppur si muove.
NovelAndNonObvious ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:18:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm, your source (which makes no bones about its own bias) admits that Galileo was summoned before the inquisition for teaching heleocentrism.
It then goes on to defend that action by claiming that the issue wasn't the heliocentric view, but just that Galileo taught it after promising not to. It also remarks that Galileo's imprisonment wasn't that bad, because he was under house arrest in a nice villa.
I don't care how nice the villa was, or what Galileo was forced to promise before he started reaching again. If you summon people before an investigative body for the content of the science that they teach, and if you imprison them in any way -- nice house or otherwise -- you're in the wrong. Believing otherwise is a rejection of basic human rights (an area where the church has also been historically deficient).
Also, look at a more reputable source like the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/world/after-350-years-vatican-says-galileo-was-right-it-moves.html
Galileo was forced to recant to avoid being burned at the stake, but was still kept under house arrest for 8 years until he died. That doesn't sound progressively pro-science to me. In fact, the church in 1992 essentially apologized and agreed with Galileo. Taking 350 years to agree with Galileo seems like the exact opposite of being pro-science.
Finally, without getting into the church's abysmal record on human rights, let's talk about something recent: how many people do you think have been sickened by completely preventable illness or died in childbirth because the church is too stubborn to see the value of distributing condoms in developing countries, or making medically-necessary abortions available in religiously-run hospitals in the United States? How many LGBT youth do you think have killed themselves because the church of their parents refused to accept them? Refusing to accept change, or to understand society in any way beyond its own narrow understanding is a hallmark of the Catholic church.
In sum, the church only likes science when science suits the church, and that attitude is unscientific at its very core.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are throwing way too many topics at once, as if viciously attacking the Catholic Church via diverting attention was the main goal of your comment. Maybe it is my European upbringing, but I won't debate hatred and passions, especially when they are filled with guilt-trips which, put into actual context, mean something entirely different. Heck, that strategy is even obsolete these days.
Now, many people (and some are here) actually believe the Church even killed Galileo, along with many more myths that promote the idea that the Church was anti-science. They believe that the Church was silencing science instead of trying to defend science just like all the scholars did then and still do today with current matters. Look all over and you will find countless sources that debunk these "Church is anti-science because it must be" ideas by explaining what actually happened with Galileo. Sources like this one: https://www.str.org/article/answering-galileo-myth#.WZRHnXopCf0 this one: http://www.ukapologetics.net/galileo.htm this one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnfarrell/2016/04/17/galileo-and-the-myth-that-wont-go-away/#4f3b3ac51e7f and many others. You could also check out the source I provided on one of my previous comments on religion and science.
Hatred is not the answer and perpetuating myths won't solve anything.
Edit: I have to leave, I will come back later to see where things are. Edit2: I came back and replied.
RealMurio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is fun, please keep going.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you want to reply as well? ;)
NovelAndNonObvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The purpose of my penultimate paragraph was simply to give a few more current examples of how the church's refusal to accept modern views has been damaging to humanity. I understand your point that it's a lot to address, though, so let's concentrate on Galileo.
Just focusing on the facts: what (factually) do you believe that the church did to Galileo, and why do you think it was OK?
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I will not give you a chance to unnecessarily take things to a different territory so you have multiple chances at it from different perspectives. That is also a known strategy to me, and all it achieves is getting things all foggy and useless.
The sources are there, the information is there, and I will personally not debate facts. You can go ahead and do so but if you do, do it respectfully and not like before. We have too much hatred in the world already.
NovelAndNonObvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not totally sure what you're suggesting my conversational tactic to be, but I assure you that you have misinterpreted my intent. I don't want to debate facts in the least. I want to understand what facts you are accepting as true so that we can discuss them.
For instance: It is my understanding that Galileo was persecuted and imprisoned by the Catholic church because he taught a scientific theory that they felt disagreed with their beliefs. Do you agree those facts are true? If so, do you believe that the actions of the church were acceptable, and do you see those actions as demonstrating an acceptance of science?
Also, a brief tangent on the topic of respect: I believe that my responses have been respectful, albeit passionate. I have not said anything disrespectful or hateful about you or your beliefs. I have said what I believe to be true about the church as an organization, which is that it has -- in large part -- not been friendly to science, and has sometimes exhibited remarkable cruelty in the name of its beliefs. In fairness, I think that the majority of people in the church who have behaved badly have probably done so for what they believed to be good, even moral, reasons.
To finish this tangent, I will add that it is imperative in a civil society to be able to call an entity's actions into question without being branded as hateful or disrespectful. For example, turning to American politics, I will easily and immediately say that the Republican party's stance on immigrants is ill-advised and in many cases cruel. I will not, however, say that all Republicans are terrible racist xenophobes. The first is a valid and civil opinion, the second is hateful invective. If we are unwilling to listen to valid, civil opinions because we disagree with them and so feel they are disrespectful, then we resign ourselves to a seat in an echo chamber.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those questions are worded in such a loaded way, but since I can see through it and couldn't care less about all this correctness: Yes and no, because "their beliefs" were scientific ones in that case and other scholar fellows of him disagreed ("prosecuted"?) with him first. No, but they were defending science over all and also, Galileo's behavior wasn't very appropriate. Yes, absolutely.
All you need to know is being discussed in the sources I have provided you personally, and the one you will easily find on a previous comment of mine on this thread. The Catholic Church has not been (nor currently is) anti-science. It might be hard to learn that multitudes of people are starting to believe this, but it is 2017 and some old myths are currently dying. This Galileo tale that many people used to claim those (fake news) myths against the Church is proven to be wrong, just like the "Jesus being Horus" myth and other lies. Most historians do in fact agree in that the Catholic Church has not been anti-science. When one is in the academic world (the actual academic world, not the "status and agenda" one), one knows as much as this. I mean, it is a known thing at this point and I have provided you with sources. Lawrence Principe is one of many that talks a lot about this, in case you are interested to learn more. Not to say that the Church has done everything right. Not at all, but that is a different topic altogether.
Also, don't even bother explaining what you said or didn't say. Come on, people can see through words and it's just obvious that you were just attacking the Catholic Church, and that's where your arguments lost many points. I mean, why bringing up the LGTB youth or condoms in Africa? I could bring up cat videos, for instance, but the topic here is a myth about the Church being anti-science.
Edit: Fixing up a couple sentences's grammar.
NovelAndNonObvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, it sounds like what you're saying is this:
Yes, the church persecuted and imprisoned Galileo,
...but it was because they were defending what they believed to be correct science (which was believed by other scientists in the same period),
...and Galileo wasn't very nice about it,
...so it was OK.
If that is what you're saying, I have to point out how unscientific those actions were on the part of the church (assuming for the sake of the discussion that all the facts, as you presented them, are correct). The scientific method revolves around debate and the free exchange of ideas. Forcing someone to recant (and imprisoning them) because you think their science is incorrect is unscientific (and morally wrong).
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say I agreed with how the Church treated him. I in fact answered "no" to your question, which is exactly the view of some writers from my sources. Please, don't make things up at this point.
Also, funny how your last paragraph agrees with a source of the ones I have posted here.
Edit: I added a sentence.
NovelAndNonObvious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm legitimately lost:
You don't agree with how the church treated Galileo, but you think that the church's actions were pro-science?
Please explain.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:15 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. You don't get it, do you? The Church and Galileo's fellow astronomers and scholars weren't being anti-science with Galileo. What happened was merely a dispute that started when Galileo made fun of the Pope, of all people, while attempting to reinterpret some passages of the Bible to fit certain scientific views of his that were being refuted by his peers, after promising not to do such things. What happened is that, eventually (and after his death), it was proven that his theories were correct, even though he could not have proved them during his lifetime. The atheist movement has simply taken all of this way out of proportion and without considering any kind of context to then create a myth that, again, is rejected and considered a MYTH by most historians of science today, in 2017.
And now, even besides this Galileo thing, you want to say the Catholic Church is anti-science? Fine, there is freedom of speech and as far as I am concern you can also talk about condoms in Africa or the LGBT youth. Does it make your statement true, while gaining the support of the historians of science of this world? No, because it just isn't true, but a known myth instead.
I read your source. It was ok (for being the NYT) but it (purposely?) fails to address many issues and its first paragraph isn't worded accurately, which is not very surprising, if I have to be honest. In case you haven't read some or any of my sources, here you have them so you can have all the facts on the table:
http://www.ukapologetics.net/galileo.htm
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/galileo/debunking-the-galileo-myth.html
https://www.str.org/article/answering-galileo-myth#.WZTwHneGNV9
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnfarrell/2016/04/17/galileo-and-the-myth-that-wont-go-away/#3e0cc41d1e7f
https://darwinwatch.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/science-and-religion-%E2%80%93-where-is-the-conflict/
Edit: Grammar.
NovelAndNonObvious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I really don't get what you're taking about. Please explain what part of imprisoning a scientist for what they wrote or said (regardless of content) is pro-science.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my gosh...You are the one being anti-science. Please, quit being narrow-minded and read this new source to learn and become better at this. Written by an atheist historian, if that makes any difference. Again, this is a known thing today, it is an actual truth, it is what people learn at good institutions today, in 2017. Everything else is simply a conspiracy theory of many that populate the internet these days, unfortunately. Sorry if I am being harsh, but spreading fake news is just something that gets to me. New (6th) source here: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-misunderstood-historical-event/answer/Tim-ONeill-1 This answers all your questions. Have fun!
/u/RealMurio and /u/H31s3nB3rg feel free to read this comment's source and/or the whole thread as well. I don't do this to be on top, but so next time someone treats this myth as a fact, you'll know more than them and therefore will be on the better side.
NovelAndNonObvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:06 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read all your sources, but I still don't understand how imprisoning a scientist for what they say or write is pro-science. Could you please explain it? (Note: If you just cite another "expert" instead of directly answering my simple question, I will be forced to conclude that you don't actually understand anything about this history and are incapable of explaining it.)
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:39 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you for real? You provide no arguments/sources to support your opinion, you don't define what consists "anti-science" and why, and you reduce the issue many people have wrote books about (religion VS science) to one little, vague question based on a minor episode of history. Really? You are losing this badly and are just about to quit but that's ok...Since your question is not a "yes or no" question, I will take it part by part.
Your whole argument of the Church being anti-science in general lacks sense, as proven by many people (I have provide you with some sources, but thousands prove it already). The myth of the Church going against Galileo merely because he had different scientific views is false, which also proved (you have read it on the sources).
Now, the Church went after Galileo because a complex combination of things, which summarized would be that he was an instigator who pushed his theories (some of them wrong today, by the way) without demonstrating them and facing opposition from his fellow scientists, mocked the Pope and went against what back in the time was not only the Church but the "established order". They didn't go after him because of his scientific views themselves, as proved (in the sources). Was what the Church did ok? Not really. Was it "anti-science"? Certainly not. Anti-science maybe would have been not letting his first book on the issue be around for 70 years (until new and more updated theories surfaced among scientists), or not letting him write and spread his works written during his house arrest, or saying his science was wrong although was demonstrated. This things didn't happen and the church did not oppose science.
Also, I remind you this is simply one tiny case blown out of proportion. Maybe you can explain to me who proposed the theory that is now known as the "Big Bang Theory" (look it up yourself if you haven't studied it), or many other scientific discoveries. You could also tell me which one is the largest non-governmental healthcare organization in history and in today's world (look it up also, I know it already). I refuse to give you the sources to this and a lot more, since you don't seem to care for facts, but for ego and power instead. Reminds me of someone...
To sum all this up, I have replied to your answer and provided you with many sources (some of them by excellent scholars), while you have come up with one incomplete news article and a very vague and biased question, which I have answered. You are still inside the cave, defending a dead myth. I encourage you to come out now that most people are, before you are singled out as "simplistic" or "gullible".
Edit: Grammar.
NovelAndNonObvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:16 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I asked a simple question, and you wrote five paragraphs, none of which answered it.
An answer to my question should probably have looked like this: "The church's imprisonment of Galileo was not anti-science because... [reasons]."
As to your comment that concentrating on the Galileo incident is narrow: yes, you're right -- it is narrow. I seem to recall that we elected to narrow our focus of discussion because you found my initial comments to be too broad.
If you want to broaden the discussion, I'm inclined to start with the church's refusal to distribute condoms or teach accurate and complete sexual health. A mountain of scientific evidence shows that condoms are one of the most effective ways to reduce the spread of HIV and other STIs, yet the church prioritizes dogma over public health. I suppose it could be argued that the church isn't opposing the science of sexual health, just the application of that science, but my point is that the church's stance has deprived thousands of people of the benefit of modern science and has undoubtedly hastened some of their deaths.
Beyond simply restricting information and refusing to distribute it, the church has -- either intentionally or out of ignorance -- spread scientific falsehoods to justify its stance.
Example regarding condoms from The Guardian:
"The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk. The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV."
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/oct/09/aids
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:03:58 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't prove the Galileo affair to be anything but a myth, and then jump to a different topic? That's fine, I guess. Also, what do you think of the historians of science and just historians in general's views on the Galileo affair and the Church being pro-science? Please, include your opinion on that in your next comment, since you haven't said a peep about it yet. When you disagree with any kind of expert, it's a must to explain why and how. And again, many people like that (and like some people from the sources) are writing entire books or teaching university classes about it, so it really needs you to clarify your opinion on their views! Even Wikipedia (as stated before) agrees that the Church has historically been a patron of sciences. Don't forget to clarify that bit when you reply, please.
Now, I replied to your question by saying that the Catholic Church certainly was not being anti-science. You asked if it was "pro-science" for persecuting a person for whatever reason, but that is a misleading question given the broad roles the Church had in Galileo's times. Now there is a separation between the Church and the State, but back then there wasn't. Asking if the Church was being pro-science by persecuting a person (for whatever reason, as you said) is like asking if you are being pro-science by making your SO cry, for instance. Or in other words, it is a question that lacks sense. Still, I did reply in the best way possible, and just did again.
You bring up the developed countries again, to switch from a myth you couldn't prove as real (as of now) to something else where you might be luckier. Is that even OK? I didn't think so, but who cares, really. The claims your source talks about were made in a moment when it was known that certain types of condoms (the membrane ones, mainly, but also other latex types that were dipped in latex only once instead of the now normal two times, and others that were torn, stored inefficiently or simply defective) were actually letting HIV pass through those "tiny holes". It's also good to know that the Catholic Church believes that a more efficient way of improving this unfortunate situation is teaching to live a responsible sexual life, with everything that this would entail. Also, did you know that the Catholic Church is the world leader in granting care to HIV patients? This is very easy to find online, if you're interested. And it's not just a news article, but actual sources that can be found. If you want to go to the abortion issue, go ahead and do that yourself, but I warn you that it's precisely there where science really shines in favor of Catholics.
But going back to the Galileo Myth and science, could you please explain what you think about experts disagreeing with you? Is it a myth or not? Are those people wrong? And most importantly, do you agree with the last source I sent you? https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-misunderstood-historical-event/answer/Tim-ONeill-1
Edit: Typo. Edit2: No reply? Case closed, end of thread.
RealMurio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:28 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is, the church used sources to imprison and prosecute Galileo. They didn't bother to understand what he was saying, they just assumed he was wrong based on their sources, which is kinda what you are trying to do right now.
Oh, the irony.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:27 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I provide many sources, you provide zero, and you are right just because you say you are? You seem to be one of those armchair scholars that populate the internet.
Considering that you seem unable to contribute, at least check out my responses to the other person so you don't miss a thing! Only if you feel comfortable with it, of course.
RealMurio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:30 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said I was right, tho.
See, there are two kind of people: those who want to win arguments 'cause they think they're right, and those who want to win arguments 'cause they want to prove something.
If you think about it, this argument is pointless. You're not gonna change your mind so why should I bother? I know I'm not wrong, there is really no reason for me to keep going. I don't have anything to prove either, since this is a downvoted marginal subdiscussion on an already old reddit post, and I don't really know you, so why would I have to prove myself to you?
It's the internet, no one gives a crap about your efforts to make a proper argument, and no one will change his mind. You are utterly wrong but you won't see it, 'cause you need to prove this to yourself, and by proxy, to us. Your sources are for the most part revisionist garbage, and your logic lacks the basic understandings of stuff like human rights.
That's what I see from here. And I still don't care.
Have a good life, my man.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:00 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you have things to prove. You made a brave statement and showed no evidence at all to back it up. That's what we saw from here.
"I know I am not wrong." ...
RealMurio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:18 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still don't care. Sry.
cath91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:50 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point exactly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The devoutly religious Galileo?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:07:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What scientists did the any pope kill or order killed? Also, which scientists were killed by the Catholic Church?
borumlive ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did so to prey on homeless children.
There, fixed it for ya! ;)
applebrush ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 11:12:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, what the pope and his cardinals do to children is pretty depressing.
zaklein ยท 692 points ยท Posted at 04:28:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although the Vatican officially denied the allegation, it wouldn't shock me if they did so moreso for practical/security matters than for the purpose of conveying the truth. The claim has never been properly verified, but I personally consider this less of a conspiracy and more of a fun secret--it just seems so appropriate given his public persona, especially when the adoration was overflowing right after his installation.
(Side note: I'm not sure if installation is the right word...what do you call it when they declare a new pope? Popification?)
Edit: Pontificating or election were what I was looking for, thanks for the help!
Take_It_Easycore ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:57:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe technically a new pope is 'proclaimed' by the electors. I am not 100% positive though.
latinloner ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:29:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the Pope wins the Popular vote but loses the Electoral?
FlyingChange ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:40:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
History usually shows that you end up with two popes.
latinloner ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:57:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean an Antipope?
haby112 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:11:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a Pope collides with an Antipope they will annihilate and create a vast amount of charity.
spacetug ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:35:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CatRugLZol ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:24:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the Popes, really.
gusbyinebriation ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:41:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least two!
Dabrush ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:17:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is a joke, but popes are only elected when 100% of the cardinals manage to agree. That's why it often takes so long.
latinloner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are there Swing Cardinals?
zaklein ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:05:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So in context it would be "after his proclamation"?
iamshiny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either elected or chosen. More often I hear chosen. The "proclamation" part is just letting everyone know who it is.
anoresteia ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:16:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Papal inauguration is the phrase you're looking for. :)
SimonCallahan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:19:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just gave me a mental image of a computer screen with a little bar across it and a message reading "Now installing Pope Version 226: Francis Edition".
kebabwhy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called being elected. When a pope dies the Vatican convenes all the Cardinals and then they vote on who gets the job next.
flippin_patties ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
popin' off
SuperlaTiff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:19:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is elected by the papal conclave.
fenixivar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pontification.
Runixo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:53:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of how the Dutch king turned out to be an incognito airplane pilot in his spare time.
RitaAlbertson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Francis is a good shepherd.
buddy-bubble ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:22:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah like the king of the netherlands who pilots KLM planes incognito a lot
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It used to be a Papal Coronation, back when the pope wore a crown (okay, it was a tiara). Now it's a Papal inauguration.
Kaatiekay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pontificate!
Foreverending ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry about the pope, we'll install it and be out in a few days. The check will come in the mail so just uhh pay that when you get it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:50 on December 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess lying is OK when you're the pope? Sounds legit
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:20 on December 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where in that story did the Pope lie? I don't think the Pope has ever even been directly asked about the allegation.
And even if he were and had said that it wasn't him, we unfortunately live in an era where people would absolutely try to harm him if they knew he was out and about unprotected at night. Would you really blame him?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people around him lying for him; and you should live within the constraints of your own religion if you are the voice of your god on earth, if you don't then nobody else will
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:35 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you get this upset about lying then religion--any religion--is definitely not for you. Actually, people probably aren't for you either...plenty of dishonest atheists out there too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:45 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Atheists don't make rules about being honest though
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:05 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between atheism and anarchy, and even so...great, the lying atheists are just hypocrites rather than, what? Hypocrites who think they're going to hell?
Bang-up job establishing the moral high ground for the atheists on this one.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:02:29 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even understand your gibberish at this point
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:38 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine trying to understand whatever you're trying to get at...catholicism/religion are bad because a couple people might have lied to protect the pope from being harmed while he was out and about doing good deeds without security?
Ok, chief. You keep doing you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:54 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's just the part where the pope is meant to be the voice of God on earth and so he probably shouldn't tell fibsies or stand around while other people do that for him
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:34 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He hasn't lied--still hasn't been asked about it, as has been pointed out above.
But what you're saying is that the people around him should rather needlessly put his life in danger by telling an ultimately irrelevant truth than tell a "fibsy" that allows him not only to live, but also to continue to engage in acts that makes many other people's lives better?
You tell me, what seems like the greater good?
And you're also assuming that they're lying. I just speculated that they might be because I like the idea of a pope who actually goes out and does good deeds instead of preaching empty words from his pulpit...the Vatican could just as easily be telling the truth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:01 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I don't go around telling everyone to follow a bunch of rules that don't make sense, but the pope is that guy, so he should live with the consequences of 100% compliance and demand the same from those around him. If he can't follow the rules then what's the point of anyone else trying
zaklein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:56 on December 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proceeds to demand that the pope follow a rule that doesn't make sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:17 on December 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're dumb
Picklestasteg00d ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 04:56:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coronation, I believe.
JudgmentalNarwhal ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:01:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure coronations involve crowns.
Xisuthrus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:22:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Popes had a coronation and wore a "papal tiara" until Vatican II where the tiara was symbolically abandoned. All subsequent Popes (John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis) have been "inaugurated" instead of coronated.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_tiara
Anonymous4245 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pontifex has a crown
Well tiara to be more accurate
kebabwhy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:35:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legally the pope is the "King of Rome" it's an agreement from mussolinis reign. It's why the Vatican City is legally a nation. Basically mussolini gave the church legal sovereignty over their bit of Rome, in exchange they kept their mouths shut about how evil Hitler and mussolini were.
powderizedbookworm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Pope is the King of the Vatican territories.
one_armed_herdazian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's the pope who coronated kings
ikilledtupac ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:57:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whereas the other pope was covering for his pedophile brother
zaklein ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:58:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first I'm hearing of this! Which pope and which brother?
And if you'd be so kind as to provide sources, I'd greatly appreciate it :)
ikilledtupac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:40:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ratzinger
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/georg-ratzinger-brother-of-pope-benedict-admits-abuse-jhntbmlfm
He claims he only beat the boys, he didn't fuck them. Of course he lied before but I'm sure would tell the truth now. Right?
idwthis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which pope did this now? Im not about having "pope covers up for pedo bro" in my search history....
ikilledtupac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ratzinger
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/georg-ratzinger-brother-of-pope-benedict-admits-abuse-jhntbmlfm
whirl-pool ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything about the Catholic Church is a conspiracy. They don't do "fun secrets" unless it involves kiddies. Uuurgh
munaught1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:18:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just read the nba poop one and read it as Poop Francis.
WordRick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:25:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reports say you can recognize the fake Pope by his hightop sneakers and incredibly foul language.
trexrocks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Batman pope!
"Batman talks to Morgan Freeman...The pope talks to God...which is MORGAN FREEMAN!" Pope=Batman CONFIRMED.
ikilledtupac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Morgan Freeman banged his own granddaughter and I can't get over that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:07:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unrelated, but - did you know that he used to be a bouncer?
mapbc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:09:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was verified?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When dude was a Cardinal he still rode the bus to work. He's not afraid of getting his hands dirty.
OhHiGCHQ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:30:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually been confirmed IIRC.
Starkville ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:24:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pope Francis has the very best PR team I've ever seen.
KarmaEnthusiast ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 05:17:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to nit-pick but that isn't a conspiracy theory. I'm not sure if you're American but they seemed to have created a connection between "conspiracy theory" and "wild outlandish idea" or "conjecture without proof". A conspiracy theorist is someone who postulates (usually, hopefully, with proof) and theorises about conspiracies (illegal acts involving multiple people towards one goal - usuallu making money). The pope possibly going to soup kitchens at night isn't that. Before I get downvoted to oblivion I hope people realise my only aim was to educate on a media soundbite that I think has been misrepresented to silence dissenters.
idwthis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:10:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get sometimes with some things people feel the need for pedantics.
But sometimes, like here, I don't understand why someone feels that need. Like, why not just let folks do their thing? Its not harming anyone, and really in this particular case, I'd say "conspiracy" does still fit.
Supposedly people conspired to cover up the fact the Dope Pope moonlights at soup kitchens. That's literally what any conspiracy is, people being conspiratorial about stuff.
KarmaEnthusiast ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 09:24:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually in the strict definition of the word it entails something illegal. What he said is simply a rumour. The fact Americans downvoted me for saying something that is 100% truthful (including their media brainwashing against "conspiracy theorists") shows just how little they've come since the propaganda of the Trump campaign, for shame.
beccaonice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, my conspiracy is this rumor was started by the Catholic church PR team.
It worked too!
high_pH_bitch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He already did the most impressive miracle of all: he made Argentineans seem likable!
BfMDevOuR ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 06:53:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incognito molestation.
feed_me_ramen ยท 2049 points ยท Posted at 01:13:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grocery stores move shit around all the time to keep you in the store longer. Not the basics like eggs, bread, and milk, the weird stuff like chia seeds, lemon juice, and tarter sauce.
christophermertin ยท 549 points ยท Posted at 04:57:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy. It's true. Even Costco does it. It's to get you to see more items in the store and is proven to make you spend more.
ePants ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 06:05:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Conspiracy" doesn't mean untrue. In fact, even "conspiracy theory" doesn't mean something is untrue; it just means it hasn't been proven, or that the person with the theory isn't aware that it's been proven true. Once proven, it's still a conspiracy, but no longer a theory.
therealijc ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 09:03:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a basic business practice. Just as placing breads/milk at the back of the store ( to make you walk past other stuff to get there. Increasing chance buying something else )
ePants ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's common, but not well known.
It's also more involved than most people think.
http://online.notredamecollege.edu/psychology/the-psychology-behind-a-grocery-storeโs-layout/
http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/15/surviving-the-sneaky-psychology-of-supermarkets/
BrotherManard ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 07:24:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't treat it as a conspiracy though. It's not a secret, and not kept under wraps. Most retail outlets do this.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:21:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FuckYourBigBlackBars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
Deracination ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the conspiracy, who you ask, and what level of evidence they require.
Tsaibatsu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:47:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A conspiracy is supposed to be hidden.
ePants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Originally, it was hidden. The vast majority of people still don't know it.
shadow1515 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 08:19:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must be a "bad" shopper; I get frustrated if I can't find what I came for where I expect it to be and I just leave and get it from a different store.
VianneRoux ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 08:31:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you'll take the time to go a different store assuming/hoping they have it in the same place rather than finding it in the store that your at?
Confirmed. You are a bad shopper.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 08:32:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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VianneRoux ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 08:53:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. You do you!
BuffelBek ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:48:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just swear under my breath and then realise that I didn't actually need those things anyway.
Luckily the essentials stay in the same spot and it's just the luxuries that get moved around at my local store.
X-istenz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:08:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A "Conspiracy" just means two or more people are conspiring to accomplish something, outside common knowledge. It is by definition a "conspiracy", if you allow that the goings on in any corporate boardroom are outside common knowledge.
Kaelio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:27 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Costco end caps are sponsored and therefore the products switch weekly (typically Sundays) but sometimes even more often. The suppliers pay to have these items showcased and the result of movement creates a necessity to move products in the isle to match the somewhat strict product category requirements. Same brand, boxes versus bags, etc. Certain products can't be left beside each other as it violates their ideal appearance standards. 90% or more of Costco profit comes from memberships and not the products as they almost always break even or just above to keep prices as low as possible for the member. You've paid to enter, they don't care how long you are there.
tdt0005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:50 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why does Target allow you to search for where things are in the app? It keeps me from ever having to look for things again.
Rapturesjoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:03 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also put impulse items at the tills and nearer to the doors, not unlike what Vegas does, keeping the shiny bright objects close to the door so you are drawn in like a moth to the flame.
AubergineQueenB ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 05:31:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Costco does this, it's called a treasure hunt.
Vendors will also pay for "prime" spots for short periods of time, also focusing on seasons, showcasing new items, etc. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, just good merchandising skills.
euripidez ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:48:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are also several different algorithms which help merchandisers plan product placement. Cameras on the ceilings of big stores can track foot traffic throughout the store. Like you mentioned, vendors will pay for high foot-traffic areas, but only for short periods of time, because as things are moved and placed, high traffic areas can changed.
Additionally, there are algorithms that will determine items frequently purchased together based on databases full of the actual store's transactions. The most commonly used is called the apriori algorithm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apriori_algorithm
Itemsets, foot traffic areas, and new products/vendors all work in unison to create an ever-changing store-scape for merchandisers. It's actually pretty exciting to me, as a data scientist.
NotFelineItRightMeow ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:48:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! The lemon juice! I swear it's in a different isle every time. And it's never by the lemons!
Xtinasauras-rex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:27:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it be by the lemons? Granted when I was a kid I seem to remember that's where they kept it. In the stores I shop in now it's down the juice isle.
RuggedToaster ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:18:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have lemon juice everywhere. The juice aisle, the alcohol aisle, and by the lemons.
Xtinasauras-rex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:39:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems excessive. Probably got tired of people asking after they went where they thought it would be.
On a weird separate note. The Smith's I shop at didn't have limes 2 weeks ago. That blew my mind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where I shop, the lemon juice is in a couple different locations. There is lemon and lime juice in the produce section and they are in those plastic bottles that look like lemons and limes. The bottled juice is located with all the other juices in a completely different area.
MiniNuka ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:57:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not mine at least.
tadysdayout ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:53:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to keep you in the store to make you go looking cause you might find something new you want to try
scothc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's also you you always go to the left when you walk in, and the shit everyone wants, frozen pizza, soda, chips, etc is waaaay in the other side. You gotta go through everything else to get there and hopefully you'll buy something extra
DontWakeTheInsomniac ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:12:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fresh fruit & veg are always first in most supermarkets where I live (Ireland) -- I think it looks more appealing. I always start my shop feeling so healthy but by the end my basket has junk food piled on top. I mean, I earned with all my healthy purchases, right?
The bastards.
morris1022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also that if you already have everything you need, you can buy what you want. If they put impulse stuff at the front, you'd think "I can't I have to buy X" and then never go back for it. Putting it up front means you already have it and you feel like you already did something healthy
hicow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:12:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People turn to the right on entry, which is why the produce and flowers and such are to the right. Otherwise, yes, although it's the 'staples' in the back - bread, milk, butter, etc. But if we're talking college-town grocery store, it'd be the frozen pizzas and Hot Pockets in the back.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:42:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys realize different stores are set up different way right? Some have right side entrances, some have left, some have center, a lot have both. Some have bakery on right, some have bakery on left, some have deli near front, some in back. Although it does seem pretty universal the essentials like produce, meats, dairy, and bakery tend to all be on opposite ends/corners.
hicow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes. What used to be my neighborhood grocery store had two entrances. Neither could you go immediately right...but both entrances more or less forced you through the produce section. It's almost universal in grocery stores that produce is up front. And it's nearly universal that stores, all stores, are laid out in a manner that reflects people's natural tendency to turn to the right on entry. But there will always be exceptions due to layout of the space or owners that haven't found that trick.
Elcyis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is interesting to me as now I'm thinking about it most stores where I'm from (Ireland) are set up to make you go left...are you from America?
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and that's funny you say that. While I was thinking about this yesterday, I started wondering if it was a universal human tendency or if it might be somehow cultural.
morris1022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah one of the Acme's near me starts you off on the right, going counter clockwise
X-istenz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:12:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would be surprised! Regardless of where the means of ingress are located, you'll often find you're immediately funnelled one way or the other before actually encountering the stock. Yes, the actual layout might be flipped or rotated, but most of the "chain" retailers go out of their way to provide a near identical experience regardless of which branch you enter.
northbathroom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They will also sell those staples at near a loss if not an actual loss purely to compete with the other stores and bring you in -then all the way to the back of their store. You won't usually price compare taquitos, but damn I saved a bundle on milk!!
scothc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant turn right on entry, thanks for catching that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I think is odd is that many grocery stores sell plants. These plants are way more expensive than going to a big box store to buy them.
morris1022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just in the back, but on opposite sides of the store
Cotillion_TheRope ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 05:43:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work in a grocery store. Mine totally did this. They also kept the essentials like milk and eggs in the furthest corner of the store so you would have to walk past all the displays.
yodelocity ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 08:12:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another more important reason is that the milk stays is in the back where the loading dock is, so that it can go directly into the fridge without breaking the "cold chain" and risking contaminating the milk. Customers walking all the way through the store is a bonus.
Russ Robert's debates this point very compellingly (IMO) on NPR's Money Talk podcast.
It's only 16 minutes long and I thought it was really interesting.
justjanne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's often claimed, but rarely true.
In most stores milk is loaded into the cooling shelves from the front, so you have to wheel out a cart of milk out of the refrigerator, through half the store, to the cooling shelves, and load it. Same with frozen stuff.
The cold chain is almost always interrupted.
ctilvolover23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never have seen that stuff at the stores where I'm at.
LawnShipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Publix?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is by design, but food safety also plays a role. They don't want to put the milk and eggs section somewhere that isn't easily accessible by the back so that they can ensure cold product spends as little time as possible on the floor.
fhebert12 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 08:12:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is completely true... I work for Walmart and this is literately my job.๐ They call us the mod team ๐
rapemybones ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:46:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's true. There's a science behind organizing supermarket products in a store. For example, similar to what you said they place common item pairings often on opposite sides of the store, like keeping the ice cream far away from the chocolate syrup, and far away from the whipped cream. That way you have to walk past many other products first and something might catch your eye.
Also usually the more expensive name brand products are placed at eye level, while the cheap store brands are down close to the floor. And typically men on average will grab what's right in front of them at eye level, while on average more women will spend time to look around for the best deal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:34:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least the store I shop at has the chocolate syrup at the end aisle where the ice cream is. The whipped cream though isn't anywhere nearby.
Wicks-Cherrycoke ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:37:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clothing stores will also have linoleum flooring in the aisles to speed you up, and carpeting where the clothing racks are to slow you down
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:35:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Next time I'm in a clothing store and see carpet I'm going to speed walk on it.
Elcyis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure to slow-mo on the linoleum too
grimequeen ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:39:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i can confirm this conspiracy for you :~) i work at a very popular general store & when we reset, the goal is to keep you in the store longer & to make sure you see more of our product! cos see, if you knew where everything was all the time, you could just beeline through the store to get what you need & get out all the time. there'd be no impulse buying, no perusing or browsing, and that would be terrible for sales. a large chunk of profits comes from impulse buys & customers seeing one or two things that they hadn't noticed before, or hadn't realized they needed till they saw it. (plus, sometimes we move shit around to make sure our stores are being properly cared for. resets insure that prices are changed as needed, and it makes sure that products are stocked and rotated on schedule.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I make a list before I go to the grocery store and stick to it almost all of the time.
grimequeen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:39:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good for you! you're not the kind of person that sort of sales technique is designed for, then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it depends. The issue for me is that I don't have a lot of kitchen cabinet space to keep a bunch of items so I have to shop a few times a week and don't buy much. I stopped shopping at places like Walmart and Target and I order most other things online now. There were lots of years though when I did shop there and I did buy things I didn't intend to. Glad I saw the error of my ways.
butsuon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:57:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My local Wal-Mart, Target or Safeway haven't moved shit in 2 years. You might be on drugs.
CountessAmara ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:46:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My local Wal-Mart moves things according to the season (the seasons hot stuff is put at the front). Then they make a big move of things every year or two. It's so frustrating because right now they don't even have the aisles labeled properly. And none of the regular employees know where things are or are clearly annoyed that they have to help you. I only go at night now because there aren't many customers, the people stocking the shelves know where most everything is, and they're always friendly. The downside is that sometimes they're out of half of the things I need that late in the day....
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:31:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Talk about 'seasonal' items. I live in Florida. Last 'Fall' I was in Target looking to buy a pair of shorts but there weren't any. I asked an employee who was stocking shelves and she said all they had were winter clothes. It was 90 fucking degrees outside!!!! Winter clothes?????
CountessAmara ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:41:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winter clothes in FL!?Hahahaha y'all don't even know what winter means! For y'all it's what, high 60's-70's and lower humidity?
Pompous_Walrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We get into the 30s-40s occasionally. Those are scary days. I do love the heat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was raised in Florida and currently live in Florida. However, I've lived in Pennsylvania, Virginia and Montana so I know what cold is. Winter in Florida is just a nice cooling off period. lol. Highs are sometimes over 100 with 100% humidity. I hate it.
Dr_Dust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar thing happened to me years ago. February in the Midwest, went into a Wal-Mart to get some gloves and was informed they didn't have any left aside from a little two foot section that basically only had work gloves. Said they were starting to get in their spring stuff and didn't expect to be getting anymore winter gloves. Kinda sucks having to scrape ice and snow off of your car when there's a wind chill of -10 and you have no gloves.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:31:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. You probably could have ordered a pair from the Walmart here in Florida! lol. No one ever needs them but I have seen them in the store.
McBeaster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:46:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grocery stores, not poor people emporiums like you listed.
frogjg2003 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:58:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using the same Publix since I moved to this city. The only time they move stuff around is when they put items up front for the clearance and seasonal sales.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only shop at Publix but the two stores in my town do move things around from time to time. It's annoying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the only time things really get moved in most cases is when there's a reset and items are pulled or added to the shelf, and sometimes it has to be reorganized. still stays in the same general section tho
LawnShipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what to say if you're not using the app to build a list and zip in and out of there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I usually do have a list. On paper.
AmericanFatPincher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:18:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to me. Cream cheese was on the complete opposite side of the store from the cottage cheese, butter and milk products. ๐
BookWorm424 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:26:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi! Deli clerk here. Every once in a while we get a 'plan-o-gram' from corporate which means we have to change the position of everything in the case. We gotta move meats and cheeses, switch tags around, etc. It's a pain in the ass. So, if it makes you feel better, the people on the other side hate it too.
munaught1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:35:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actively avoid the stores in my area that do this. I'm not a suburban mom. I want to get what I need and gtfo
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too because I cannot stand to shop.
LawnShipper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind shopping, it's all the morons in the store doing their shopping that get me. Sure, just leave your cart in the middle of the damn aisle. Sure, just come flying around blind corners like Mario fucking Andretti and get huffy with me when you almost crash into me. Sure, just strongarm your way in front of me to grab something off the shelf I'm trying to grab something from.
Going grocery shopping reminds me that Zamasu was right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:59 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stay out of places like Walmart and Target now and haven't been there in a long time. Most of the things I want I order online. I know what you mean though. I've experienced the same things in the past. People with their carts in the middle of the aisle, sometimes two carts blocking the aisle while the shoppers are standing there talking to each other. What pisses me off a lot is when adults let their kids push the carts. So many times I've watched little kids zoom around in the store knocking into things. I always feel like tripping them so they fall on their face.
LawnShipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Publix isn't bad, as long as it's not the first/third or Thurs/Fri (typical pay day)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:34 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of welfare recipients? I always go when they first open. I can't stand crowded stores and have huge anxiety about it. So at seven am I am usually the only customer in there.
LawnShipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:15 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, also, dat bakery smell
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:31 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmmmmmm....
skee_ball ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worked at Wegman's and this is real. It's also to get people to buy foods they wouldn't usually pass on their typical route through the store.
Timbitz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:02:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The conspiracy (from what customers tell me) is so that they'll buy more. But I still can't tell you where those chia seeds are
Topher_Wayne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:16:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, but it's also because things are getting discontinued and new products come in. Where I worked the company had its own crew who went to different stores week to week. They were called The Reset Crew. I worked reset for 6 months. We also remodeled old stores and filled the shelves of new stores getting ready for their grand opening. Yeah though, items get totally rearranged so customers have to walk around and relearn where everything was. It didn't only piss off customers, but also regular employees because we'd work graveyard, so they'd come into their day shift to a totally different store than the day before. Had so many good times working reset and traveling though.
DontWakeTheInsomniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? We got photos from head office detailing the new layout and floor staff done it all. Having a traveling crew seems quite weird.
Topher_Wayne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we got all the photos and shelve length information from corporate too, but the store is open 6am to 11pm and we'd start at 10:30pm. We couldn't reset the store while it was open, too much going on, there's no way they could shop in peace. I only worked there though, I didn't make the rules, heh.
UndeniablyPink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:27:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, they'll put necessities in the same aisle as the shit no one buys at a grocery store like shampoo so that you have to see it and maybe think huh, I need shampoo, might as well get it now. Source: used to work at one, verified strategy.
Legilimensea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know there are specialty places that sell fancier brands, but is it uncommon to buy shampoo at grocery stores? That's where I always buy mine.
UndeniablyPink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it just costs a little more than, say, Walmart or target.
sauerpatchkid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:35:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why aren't black olives by the canned veggies?!?!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:32:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're next to the spaghetti sauces where they're supposed to be!!!
LawnShipper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:49:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right next to the flippin' kalamatas!
BlackManMoan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:10:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely hate it when they do this. It's always under the guise of making it seem like it's easier to find what you're looking for, or it'll be a great way for you to try new things. No, you're fucking with me. You moved the pasta from one end of the aisle to the other. What's the point of swapping where the frozen vegetables and ice cream are?
I've actually walked out frustrated before just to go to another supermarket instead. I might as well get to know the layout of a different store if I'm just going to be making like a one-legged cat trying to bury turds on a frozen pond trying to figure out where the hell they decided to move bread crumbs for literally no reason
HipToTheKids ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:32:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tortillas are never in a sensible place. There's always multiple brands scattered throughout the store, some with the bread, some with the ethnic food, mine keeps some in the fish section. There's no sense to it and every time I'm in a new store I never know where to look.
Legilimensea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know! My favorite tortilla brand has its own display that moves to a different part of the store every couple of months. The rest are by the taco seasoning and shells in the middle of the store.
Cosmic_Hitchhiker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worked at a grocery store. Confirmed.
Ziddix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this count for a conspiracy theory? It's pretty standard "marketing" practice. The most expensive items in a certain range are also easiest to reach in the shelves with the cheapest ones usually being all the way at the bottom so you have to sit on the floor to get them
Scary-Brandon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:23:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems easy to prove/disprove
HighlylronicAcid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:52:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of my job in a supermarket was to survey customers. By far and away the most common complaint was to get us to stop moving things around all the time. Another part of my job was to go to other branches and move everything around.
code_vector ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know those amazing Red Lobster garlic cheesey biscuits? You can buy a box to make them yourself. I swear they're in a different place every god damn time I go.
DontWakeTheInsomniac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Used to work in a grocery store, the most expensive brands are often at eye level - some companies pay good money to get priority spacing.
Food aimed at kids are often placed on the lower shelves so they'll see it and ask for it. Health conscious customers spend more time browsing so their products can placed in other poor performing spots unless it's Health Food store of course.
Special Offers are at the expense of the brand, not the supermarket.
henbanehoney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, it took me like 5 years to figure out where the lemon juice permanently resides in my grocery store.
It's with the rest of the juice. I was making it way too complicated.
feed_me_ramen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:24:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See? That's my thought too, except last time I tried looking for it in the juice aisle, they only had lime juice, and no empty spaces where lemon juice would be if they had just run out. I JUST WANT THE FUCKING LEMON JUICE
ofthedappersort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when i worked at a liquor store my shithead boss made us move the white wine to the back of the store in the summer so people would have to walk past the red wine. Her idea was that if the white wine was up front no one would see the red wine and consider buying some. In a way it was a a good idea but in a larger way it was a stupid idea. In life you will find it common for managers to hatch hare brained ideas like this one. They do it so their bosses think they're clever but really they're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
Mikechurro726 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Target definitely does this Heard a higher up person actually say this out loud
purpepineapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true also there is a war over what you see first
Dark_Vengence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The basic stuff is in the back so you browse around and maybe buy more stuff.
IWatchGifsForWayToo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never thought about this but I'm now certain that stores of the same chain have different layouts for this reason. There are two Safeways where I live and they are completely different. It confuses the shit out of me every time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It pisses me off when they do this because I have to find someone and ask them where a certain item is located.
VehaMeursault ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What part of the world are you from?
feed_me_ramen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only buy lemon juice maybe once a year, and it's never where I remember it being last time. Same thing with chia seeds, the new Kroger that just went up got rid of the fancy healthy foods aisle, so I still don't know where those are supposed to be.
X-istenz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's half right, but it's not a "Conspiracy Theory" (except by the proper definition, I suppose). Items are moved according to seasonal variations, promotions, and popularity. It's not so much to "keep you in the store longer" (in fact a lot of the time they want you in and gone as swiftly as possible), but mostly to bring different items to your attention. It's not a mystery to be solved, it's an economic theory to be understood.
LethalPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't true at all! I worked in a grocery store and if we moved shit around constantly we wouldn't be able to find it ourselves.
DontWakeTheInsomniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's only done every few years - but people also shop in several stores and get confused. I used to get customers complaining that we kept changing the layout long before we ever did -- also some customers would try to return products we never sold insisting they got them here. (even rival store brands!)
Legend017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
French fried onions for sure. I can never find the damn things.
chuckusmaximus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the worst! Around Thanksgiving they're with the green beans. Any other time of year...good luck.
AoO2ImpTrip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The grocery store we go to rearranged their vegetable area recently. I'm almost certain this is why. People would come in and make a b line for what they need without looking around.
Khrull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Hy-Vee I got to in the town I live in literally does this ALL THE DAMN TIME. They move stuff around I swear once a week, and they do it even more in the Natural/Organic section of the store. It's infuriating. Plus their prices are retarded.
airportluvr416 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well i'm always in the store for like an hour anyway so apparently this tactic works
BurnedItDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they do it to make people like me, who work at a grocery store, look like an idiot when I don't know where anything is.
TalisFletcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you could just buy lemons. Or cut out the middle man and grow them yourself. You just gotta watch out for those lemon-stealing whores.
HoTs_DoTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they do it 1 time a year or, maybe 2. its to make it seem more 'modern'. they don't do it so you walk around longer. if you have a house you should know you like to 'change things up'. its also a competition. maybe the other grocery story changed their flooring or glass casing for deli; they do it just to keep up with the times. they could also be in a very popular location but the site is outdated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd believe that. Or my grocery store puts the common stuff like eggs, bread, and milk in the back of the store so you have to walk through it, increasing the chance you will see other items to buy.
depreciatingaccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Source: Was Costco floor set guy.
prototypetolyfe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On top of that, dairy/eggs are always in the far opposite corner from the entrance to make you walk by as much as possible before getting to some of the most common items. Same with bread and produce on opposite sides
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one is actually true. If you come to the store during odd hours usually once or twice a year you'll have a group of people who's job is to literally take stuff off the shelves and move it somewhere else. Little mom and pop shops wont do it but I'm fairly certain it's standard practice for any big box store.
Studies found that when customers can't find what they're looking for they're more likely to buy more product, and buy product they might not have bought otherwise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you need to read White Noise by Don Delillo. Crucial scenes occur in the grocery when they reorganize the shelves.
Cashatoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must be the lamest shopper ever, or my grocery store is lazy. I have had the same grocery route for years. If a product moved I would lose my mind!
borumlive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worcestershire sauce always in a different spot. Hella frustrating when you ask an employee and they have to radio someone bc they, too, do not know where they're keeping it today
empireof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A agree with this one. I was in Aldi's the other day, and they had lemon juice next to crackers or something. Then again, everything is placed in strange places in that store.
anongames101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:31 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in for a large supermarket chain and i can confirm that this is true
Edit: Typo
xyroclast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:24 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's extra effective because a lot of those things fall into multiple categories. "Is this a snack, a foreign food, or a baking ingredient this week?"
Serendiplodocus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:55 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually, eggs are almost always found in the middle of the store, because it's the most regular temperature. At least in the UK, where we don't refrigerate eggs.
Bigbigplans ยท 12025 points ยท Posted at 20:29:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game 2 of the 2009 NBA finals, Paul Pierce pooped his pants and covered it up by faking a knee injury. There's no way he hurt his knee so bad that he needed to be carried off the court, only to run back on the court minutes later and play like nothing happened. That and there was a noticeable brown spot on his pants before he went down.
EDIT: This was game 1 of the 2008 finals, I beefed up I'm sorry. He still very well may have pooped himself at some point in 2009, we just have no evidence.
cutesammiches ยท 1232 points ยท Posted at 23:53:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now this is a good conspiracy theory!
AimingWineSnailz ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 03:22:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conspooracy theory am I right lads wooo
H0LT45 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:35:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a shit pun.
/s
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:17:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the best one I've heard, that's for sure
snoogans8056 ยท 1746 points ยท Posted at 23:03:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way he was carried off is exactly how I would carry someone who pooped their pants.
Two people grab a leg, and let the poo pool down in his shorts. Don't want that stuff coming down a leg hole.
gs_up ยท 308 points ยท Posted at 23:31:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't see it in the video the OP posted, but he was wearing tights under his shorts, one of these: https://images.sportsshoes.com/product/U/UND1618/UND1618_1000_3.jpg
At least that's what someone said in another thread the last time this topic was brought up.
nhaines ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 04:03:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TYL the term "compression shorts."
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:21:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jennacide88 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 05:34:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YGLT
You Gone Learn Today.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Yabadababoobs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually even longer now with some added stuff but I'm not really into fanfictions.
nhaines ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:13:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a Q, too, but the Z makes it sound cool.
GA_Thrawn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a plus sign. Also I like how commenting on this is bringing downvotes. Reddit is sensitive. You said nothing bad
mgulley08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the I. Intersex.
nhaines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the one! :)
froschkonig ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:41:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Typically the basketball player will wear tights, but they have padding on the front of the thigh to help prevent thigh bruises
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 04:21:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those things are impossible to remove. Nearly cost LeBron a finals game, totally nothing to do with Bron being a no-clutch crybaby, compression shorts are just impossible to remove when the a/c goes out
INHALE_VEGETABLES ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 01:42:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guys poops pants.
Mahcus_Smaht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check this out though...a deep dive by* an admitted Paul Pierce hater. Conclusion? Well I'll let you discover that..
[deleted] ยท 1621 points ยท Posted at 23:06:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did this theory first come about?
gs_up ยท 873 points ยท Posted at 23:29:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/NBA maybe? At least that's where I think I saw it the first time. Though I only saw it maybe in 2012, so I could be wrong.
querius ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 02:31:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would he step out on the floor with that stain, though? If I sharted or pooped myself, the first thing I'm doing is checking my pants, especially if they're white. The video does look convincing, but that's the only thing I don't understand.
ElBartman ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the Jersey manager didn't have extra shorts? Maybe he is superstitious about wearing those particular shorts?
TequilaNinja666 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:42:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stain wasn't there when he was standing at the timekeepers table waiting to come back in. He probably got new shorts since they have many but compression shorts underneath were probably done for the night and stuff was still leaking out as he played. Mixed with sweat.
Edit: i read the rest of the comments and it seems that the stain was in a different game. I don't follow basketball.
pwners5000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:12:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stain also isn't there while he writhes on the ground in pain, which tells me this claim is false.
https://youtu.be/_Mp5V26En3s
greedo4president2016 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:42:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If true, it's funny that he faked an injury to cover up for the fact that he pooped himself and kept playing. The really impressive part isn't that he came back out again after an alleged injury, but that he wanted to play so badly that he stayed in the game long enough to take care of business after sharting himself. That is the true dedication.
Tl;dr he covered up the true heroics by pretending he had a knee injury. A man who stays on the court after shitting himself in the finals is far more impressive than a man who sprained his knee and came back out again
Smart_Dumb ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:34:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is funny your Tl;dr is only one line of text shorter than your post.
greedo4president2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, brevity is not my strong suit
LegitLlama ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:53:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they start the shitposting?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:08:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we just solved this mystery
GoldenWizard ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:32:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a cool sub, thanks for leading me to it!
DydoDeChamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:10 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Simmons
iAmTheRealLange ยท 910 points ยท Posted at 01:21:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's true. He performed so much better when he came back from the locker room. He felt much lighter and relaxed after a nice dump
Nipple_Copter ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:58:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of space to shoot when nobody on defense wants to get close.
m1serablist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:53:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did he though? After a poop I can't really function for about 10 minutes, which is the time it takes my insides to readjust to the new empty space and stretch out a bit, get some blood flowing etc. I guess that makes him an athlete and me an office worker
SmokePot ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 06:00:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just the blood returning to your legs after you've been getting paid to read Reddit on the toilet for half an hour.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The struggle is real. Although for me guilt usually sets in at about the 15-20 minute point.
Sceptile90 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 10:12:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. Go see a doctor or a proctologist or something. That's not normal.
m1serablist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's what I think it happens. Don't you get that pure zen empty mindedness after some nice dump
Sceptile90 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:23:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get a feeling of relief, but I don't actually need to wait for my insides to adjust.
kiepy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just love how wholesome this comment is, considering the situation.
Rapturesjoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:45 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing like clearing the bowls for a better game.
gingerlea723 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:29:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yours was the second comment today on which I upvoted and was the 400th vote. What kind of conspiracy is this?!?
RubberCorn ยท 437 points ยท Posted at 00:23:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mind is totally blown. That makes too much sense. I always made fun of him the total show he puts on in that game but now I completely understand!
mwinks99 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 04:33:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some would call it a real shit show.
Pituna ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:31:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I first read that your mind was totally brown, I can't stop laughing!
YoMammaSoThin ยท 964 points ยท Posted at 23:21:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He will go down in history as:
Paul Pierce Poopie Pants
Hillraiser ยท 328 points ยท Posted at 02:17:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Little Paulie Shits-His-Pants. It was the most perfectly round turd you've ever seen.
couchpuppy ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 03:48:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Your butt is touching my shit, George! Shit on my shit!" Such a magical show.
fadedtoolong ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:47:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolute star power focusing their prowess on classic toilet humor
couchpuppy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:01:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shameless replacement of Bradley Cooper with Adam Scott was perfect.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:26:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These blueprints are literally kicking my ass.
Dwarf_on_acid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:13:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is our life now.
Big_Henry ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:42:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understood that reference
BenjewminUnofficial ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:45:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Walla-walla-hoo!
Dwarf_on_acid ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:13:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Walla-walla-hey!
onthedown_low ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kim chu-ay!
psylent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:14:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After an evening of reading about Trump and Charlottesville this gave me a great laugh. Thank you.
Kreatorkind ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:30:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or P.P. Poopie Pants for short?
a_latvian_potato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:29:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just activated some neurons that haven't seen the day of light for a loooooong time.
ForfeitedPhalanges ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:14:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a fan of Paul "Poopy Pants" Pierce.
Rolls
down the legoff the tongue better.airmclaren ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:04:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm laughing so hard at this rn.
basiamille ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, don't pierce them! Do you want to spring a leak???
hanselpremium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's the truth!
James_Posey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah woah woah,
it's Hall of Famer Paul Pierce Poopie Pants
falcone83 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 01:10:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best conspiracy ever.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:07:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And probably one of the only true ones
BummySugar ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:50:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PAUL PIERCE PANTS HIS POOP!!!
katwolfrina ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does paul pierce pants his poop?
HairyBaIIs007 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:01:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good theory...except the fact that the injury you are talking about occurred in game 1 the the finals, whereas the "poop" stain occurs in game 2, as you stated
Bigbigplans ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:07:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but I think 1 of 2 things happened here: He either wore the same shorts after game 1, or pooped himself again game 2. The former sounds highly unlikely so I'm actually under the belief he pooped himself twice.
Jowitness ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:10:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting although I don't see that stain in this video, it should be easily visible. https://youtu.be/_Mp5V26En3s
afrogirl44 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:01:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could have changed his shorts while he was out.
ocular__patdown ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:29:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a pretty good shot of his taint area before he was taken out though but damn, this one would have been hilarious
Debater3301 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:50:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? The Celtics didn't make the finals in 2009, they made it in 2008 and 2010.
Bigbigplans ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 00:54:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I screwed up, he pooped himself in 2008, not 2009 (that we know of).
angryflipflop ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:24:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an underrated comment.
aerodynamic_23 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:54:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the truth
omahamyhomaha ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:04:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He called the shit poop!
_BlankFace ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:35:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why have I never heard of this? ANYTHING IS POSSSIBBBBLEEEEE
jd_beats ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:18:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an article that pretty thoroughly debunks the theory. Can't find it at the moment, but it's worth looking for if you're interested.
Bigbigplans ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:22:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Ringer published that article. It's run by Bill Simmons, a well known Boston Sports homer. I simply can't trust that the article was unbiased.
jd_beats ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:27:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... you can decide the conclusion for yourself, but there is plenty of photographic and video evidence that there is no poop stain, which is basically the only thing holding the theory up. After that, it's choosing which option is more likely:
1) Paul Pierce felt pain in his knee and thought that he tore a ligament - and reacted accordingly - until the pain subsided and he felt he could return to the game. (Probably even played up the pain thinking a return would fire up the crowd).
2) Paul Pierce pooped his pants and/or had to poop in the middle of a game, and instead of asking to come out of the game when the urge got severe, he let it go until he couldn't hold it and thus had to pretend to get injured so he could leave the court, finish his business, clean up, change shorts, and return to the game.
Option 1 screams Paul Pierce and Option 2 does not.
wannaroc89 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 02:54:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you let pooping his pants be number 2
ThisGuy182 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:44:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe he sharted.
The_White_Abed ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:43:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I still like option 2
RedTeeRex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can be a combination of both. Pooped a lil bit; the fall looked more like a flop than him trying to avoid injury and it didn't look serious at all. Went back to the lockers, finished pooping and then came back with clean shorts and undies.
PM_FORBUTTSTUFF ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:10:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a C's fan and I think it's probably not true but I still find the whole conspiracy hilarious
bestprocrastinator ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:18:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just love how someone took time out of their day to point out someone else's poop stain.
Bigbigplans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:03:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm passionate about poop
themainingredient420 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:22:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never trust a fart.
wyvernwy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is happening I knew I had become a senior citizen.
darthoprah666 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:58:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
as a basketball player and a man, the one single greatest pain i have ever felt in my existence was when someones knee hit the inside of my knee in the right spot at the right angle. Could not move for 4 minutes and just layed in pain on the court but 7 minutes later i was completely fine. So, just my experience.
FuckTheClippers ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:04:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2008 and that was game 1
Bigbigplans ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:47:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah shit. He still pooped his pants though.
Timberpuppies ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was carried off in game one of the finals. This shot was in game two.
Runs_towards_fire ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:32:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably the most believable ones I've seen yet.
Karl_Marx_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:40:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nba would love this during the off season.
Porkchop_Sandwichess ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:59:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed when the video said "Did you see the poo stain? Look again..."
Shadeus117 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:55:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Gary Lineker, an English footballer-now-TV presenter who did famously poo himself on the pitch when he went for a header. https://youtu.be/9t_8pfbCH-4
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:11:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahaha this is great
Hardyng ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:03:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that brown stain is from a different game in the series...
showmeurknuckleball ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:03:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day, I hope to make something as important as that poo stain video.
androocrawford ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:08:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A hind d?!?!?
cortez0498 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:28:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody wants to be a Gary Lineker. EVERYTHING he does gets dozens of replies on social media about him shitting himself in the pitch.
iWaRR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:45:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit happens.
RonaldJosephBurgundy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You beefed up? Speak into the mic billy.
Bigbigplans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:29:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suck m- wait, we don't say that anymore
colantor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this.
topshitbird ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like that the dude blasts Boston over his sports games
Herogamer555 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit.
im_saying_its_aliens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the actual fuck
BeetSaIesman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he sharted himself in game 2 not game 1.
WE_Coyote73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG! That could have been a classic of college sports if when he landed a turd slipped out of his shorts onto the court.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's almost a tongue twister. Paul Pierce pooped a pair of pretty pants. A pair of pretty pants, Paul Pierce pooped. If Paul Pierce pooped a pair of pretty pants, how many pretty pants did Paul Pierce poop?
TheBlueprent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never heard this but I'm fucking dying. I will always remember Paul Pierce for that flop. This makes it 100 times better.
Quinnel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin ahahaha
Oh noooo
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes diarrhea comes at very inopportune times lol. He did a pretty good job covering it up.
deevees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also that the Draft Lottery is rigged. Prime example is when the Bulls got the 1st overall pick for the 2008 Draft despite only having a 1.7% chance.
Corn_Palace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. This post took a load off an otherwise horrible day.
wildfish18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plz give 20 minute presentation to Reddit on the dangers of having inaccurate info on your conspiracy theories. And for the love of god talk into the mic.
Bigbigplans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello fellow AWL! I wanna say it... but we don't say it anymore
HowlingMadMurphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good soundtrack to that poop evidence video
Fzn15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big if poo.
mattsaddress ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a historical precedent so it's not unheard of (see Gary Lineker 1990 World Cup),
pepper_head ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:04:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He should've just doubled down like Gary Linekar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_PLu9KWNK8
DootMasterFlex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:01:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the shittiest conspiracy I've ever heard...
Stronkowski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems plausible. I did basically the same thing in my 8th grade basketball game, but I pretended it was a issue with my contacts then came back a few minutes later after fixing my "eye".
huntingwhale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite one here.
AndoMacster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who did he conspire with though?
mn_sunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[SPOILERS]
If were him I would pull an Olenna Tyrell and confirm this shit on my deathbed.
"I DID SHIT MUH PANTS BACK '08!"
249ba36000029bbe9749 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Video montage of pre- and post-injury: https://youtu.be/_Mp5V26En3s
MegaxnGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, wait, he didn't wear underwear? Damn, it would be swinging from side to side.
drcmorbuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was touching cotton that's all.
DrLarzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid question... but are you not allowed to leave to use the restroom?
rikihound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's doo doo, baby.
bitches_love_brie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first I'm hearing of this and you have me 100% convinced already.
UTF-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've honestly never laughed this hard from a reddit post, thank you.
DEEEPFREEZE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something shooting 100% from his buns.
I apologize if this or a similar joke had already been made
realultralord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my Gosh! When this turns out to be true, there will be no world like we know it tomorrow.
atayls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was debunked by The Ringer.
https://www.theringer.com/2017/1/6/16040652/why-did-paul-pierce-need-a-wheelchair-a54ca1cd7006
jrm2007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would guess this happens to pro athletes way more than most people. I think it is common in long-distance runners in particular.
filmusic42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fuckimg hilarious.
Dark_Vengence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crapping his pants!
Thatguy8679123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn thats crazy, but seriously who takes a shit in a high pressure situation.
Side note: thisnis what I fear the most in Judo. Just befor tatchywaza I always take a piss. Never want to get knocked out, or choked out and piss my pants on the matts. Real fear
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my #2 favorite conspiracy theory. Bad joke? Eh, I'll just flush it then.
fatpads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advert for magnum ice cream with a gooey chocolate centre was....uncomfortable before that video.
WinifredSandersn1692 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a great time to be alive lol...
RoleModelFailure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not uncommon for that to happen to athletes. They're in situations where they can't come out. Plus add in the intensity of the sport and people sometimes have unplanned BMs. Also Roberto Luongo, I think, once had to shit so he got pulled from the game. It was between periods iirc and they put in the number 2 goalie after the period because no 1 was dealing with a severe no 2.
nelsonbestcateu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is by far the best one I've ever seen in threads like this.
vznb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did he come out wearing the same shorts?
JamesCMarshall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
everything from boston is a piece of shit
[deleted] ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 02:29:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bigbigplans ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:02:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for offending you with my inaccuracy! The point still stands that he pooped himself
beware_the_spooks ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:23:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you absolute moron you were off by 1 number. Loser. Trash. Die. /s Calm your tits machomanrandysavage
AnusEinstein ยท 9656 points ยท Posted at 19:47:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US Postal Service is using algorithms to estimate the tracking of packages instead of reliably scanning the packages that have tracking/delivery confirmation.
Why? Because in the past three months I've had packages arrive in my mailbox a week after they said they were delivered. As a seller I've had customer's packages with delivery confirmation show as delivered that didn't arrive until days later.
This absolutely sucks for consumers who don't get their package but have no course of action because the PO says it has been delivered.
PM_Me_Buttery_Stuff ยท 3886 points ยท Posted at 22:15:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to me and I was told by an Amazon employee that sometimes, the delivery drivers will mark the package as delivered, so as not to screw up their route.
BEEF_WIENERS ยท 1267 points ยท Posted at 00:12:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As somebody who does Amazon Flex a bit, they recently updated the app to fix this. Now if you select a package out of order in the route it will actually go to the next package AFTER that and continue the route, rather than constantly suggesting you try delivering the first one. For example, if you had 5 packages and had an issue with 2, so you selected 3 as the next delivery, previously once 3 was delivered it would have then routed you to 2. Now it routes you to 4.
Of course, what you're SUPPOSED to do when you have an issue with 2 is report that issue through the app. There's a structure for this shit, but because we're all just random idiots doing it through an app there's not much quality control on who's delivering your packages, no interview process or resume submission or anything. Just a background check to make sure you've never driven drunk or something.
entrancedunicorn ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 03:39:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am happy about that recent update to delivering and honestly like the fact that if we deliver to the front door that we have to take a picture of the package.
Personally I'm glad.
justpress2forawhile ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:46:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a thing now? Guess they are going to stop helping people out who have packages walk off shortly after being delivered. They should start offering reliable package containers that are not horrible to look at. So that you could install a box that they can be left in through a one way trap door or something.
94358132568746582 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:37:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't going to stop all theft, it is just another way to ensure accountability. Yes, someone can walk off with your package. Yes, the driver themselves could steal your package. But those problems already existed. Now, the driver at least has to come to your door and place the package down instead of just marking it delivered.
And if you are that worried, have you looked into the Amazon lockers? Just have the package delivered there and pick up on your way home from work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So uh, what if the delivery person takes the package immediately after snapping the picture? Or is this just supposed to force people to lay the packets down properly?
entrancedunicorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:07 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moreso to have the packages laid down properly and so that the recipients know where the package was laid.
erroneousonbothcunts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be much more risky than just keeping it on the truck, because they risk being seen.
RoboIcarus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:37:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As AMZL driver support, dear god, please do this when you have a problem. Don't call me at the end of the route because you delivered a package 3 hours ago to Jim Bob and it didn't let you mark as delivered.
IronPikachu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:32:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oo! Ur a delivery driver?
BEEF_WIENERS ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 00:34:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do Amazon Flex, and I end up doing it once, maybe twice a week. I also drive Uber, and I have a regular full-time desk job. Gig economy, yo.
vanewho ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:45:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's amazon flex? Im looking into gigs (besides Uber) for some extra cash.
omendamo ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:53:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow Flex driver. Before you get too excited, google it and check it's in your area. If it is, then you tell the app when you're free (and can update it anytime) and you get 'blocks' 2/4 hours long reserved to you, as /u/beef_wieners mentions it's probably likely you'll only get 1-2 a week. You can then also refresh the app at anytime to see if there are any more unreserved blocks are free (usually snapped up VERY fast so you have to refresh a lot). It's self employed and no fuel reimbursment. If you're UK based its ยฃ12-ยฃ15 a hour and fuel usually isn't too expensive. It's an easy money earner but not very reliable, I haven't been able to pick up anything for 2 weeks.
I_HAVE_SEEN_CAT ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:07:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad does flex and most of the people he works with use a bot that taps the refresh and blocks automatically so they can reliably get work.
omendamo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:32:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thay makes so much sense.. Why didn't I think of that. Do you know where/how I set this up? Thanks
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:55:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is all that really worth it when you get only a couple hours a week?
omendamo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:13:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is for a bit on the side. I work full time at my main job, so to have a bit on the side that I can choose the hours I want is appealing. I can also take my kids along for the ride and they love going to 'work' and cranking the radio up. I am yet to find a job where I choose when I work, can work different hours every week without commitment and can take my children. That said I would not reccomend it for anyones sole income as it's not stable enough!
richard_hawkes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you mate. This "why bother" attitude is entirely the wrong mindset imo.
ipdar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You also get such perks as worrying about finding a parking spot while making deliveries. Or even picking up deliveries. From a warehouse. That amazon owns.
On the other plus points you get a crappy navigation app that doesn't know what streets are closed for construction, or have been modified to not be streets anymore, or even were always a one way. Then it will send you down an extra block that you don't need or will send you down low speed back roads to try and make it more confusing to get anywhere.
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PM_ME_UR_EGGS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:58:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Noooo those are evil, sold to you by evil commie Democrats. You need to work more, by the way. The boss wants you to come in all weekend for no extra pay, but we do need you.
2068857539 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2017. The only people benefiting from unions are union bosses. Check their pension funds-- union leadership pension funds are full, membership funds are empty. They aren't fighting for you, they're convincing you to fight for them.
PM_ME_UR_EGGS ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 07:20:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that means that we should just throw out the whole concept and accept our corporate overlords?
Bad implementation != bad concept
Plugitinmrshulgin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but muh Bernie Sanders
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pro-union in general, but the last thing I want is a union job. I drive for Uber/Lyft because I can do it whenever and for however long I want. Bring unions into that and then all of a sudden I have a schedule and hours, fuck that shit.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:02:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like I said, pro-union. I'm not the one who suggested one was needed here, just the opposite. My point was if there were unions involved I would have to be an employee, which is the last fucking thing I want.
You're right, I am on my own. But I'm not screwed if things change because I'm prepared for them to change at any minute. As everyone should be, contractor or 20 year full time employee.
Sphen5117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are misunderstanding the implications.
ipdar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those flavors and textures.
richard_hawkes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I've had two key Prime orders (UK) that were marked as delivered (I waited in all day for one of them) but never actually arrived.
Are you saying they might just be marking them as shipped?
Amazon sorted me out, but always wondered what the hell went wrong. Both items were quite pricey (over ยฃ200).
TypicalRecon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon contractor here, i work for a company that runs the night pallets out of BFI5 and i know the drivers that will not be to their stop yet and press delivered on their phone to save their ass being late and no to get in trouble with their manager.
ZombyTed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:45:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, thank all the deities.
There may have been some overly loud cursing in a few residential neighborhoods under the old version.
Coffee_Grains ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently bought something and chose same day shipping on Amazon. Two days later and it hasn't even been out for delivery yet. Is this a common thing?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Coffee_Grains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was in stock. The shipping info hasn't been updated since the first day and it ended with the carrier (Amazon) receiving it. It's been 32+ hours since then and no further updates.
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Coffee_Grains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks man, I really appreciate your help.
Rixxer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Amazon Flex the new delivery service that's basically Uber but for deliveries? Goes by AMZL as the carrier on Amazon?
pietro187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing against you, but this comment makes me dream of the future when drones deliver my packages.
Morineko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually really hate when my stuff is delivered via Amazon drivers. I live in a gated complex, and it creeps me out when people tailgate into the property, but also, 98% of the time, the drivers cannot seem to figure out the visitor phone at the gate, so I'll just get a 'cannot be delivered, locked gate' message.
logoth ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:24:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of our amazon local drivers mark shit as delivered as soon as they pull into the apartment complex. Then they can't find my building because the giant letter is hidden behind a tree (and our office doesn't take packages).
I've had packages: end up in limbo; end up on the porch of the apt complex office; end up at another person's door (who, at least once, took it to the office saying "this isn't mine").
fuck them.
MAGA_Chicken ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:34:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only way they'd actually get fired is if they kept or threw away the packages. Putting them off until they have something else going there will get them maybe a verbal warning. And that's assuming anyone even makes a complaint to the postmaster. And assuming the postmaster follows up on it (he won't).
I once found a package inside my car. The mailman had opened my goddamned car and left a package in the passenger seat. It said delivered and I was looking everywhere for it, and I didn't drive anywhere that weekend, so when I found it on Monday I was pretty surprised and pissed.
I had empty Amazon Fresh bags sitting on my porch for a week before the mailman picked them up, too. He delivered three packages on three different days to my house and left them next to the bags, but didn't take the bags.
I've watched them toss boxes from 20+ feet away onto my porch. When I opened the door and said "hey" they just walked away like I didn't exist.
USPS employees don't give a fuck.
garretble ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:17:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to me once from Fedex. The guy forged my name to leave packages in the apartment complex office I was helping manage even though I wasnโt there. We were at lunch or something. He was trying to save time, and apparently was going to bring everything in the next day. But before that could happen a resident came in asking for a package saying I signed for it. I hadnโt, and we didnโt have it. The resident showed me on his phone where Iโd signed.
I called Fedex and reported it. We learned later from the UPS guy that the Fedex guy got fired over it. Good riddance.
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BradWI ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:28:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you can sign up for USPS informed delivery which sends you an email every morning with a picture scan of each mail piece arriving today. However it doesn't work with packages quite yet.
GA_Thrawn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:56:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon doesn't always use USPS though (especially outside of the US lol). So what they mentioned may have been unrelated to what you're talking about
delecti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
USPS isn't the only carrier that has that problem. I've heard it quite a bit about OnTrac and Amazon's own delivery company ("AMZL", Amazon Logistics). In fact I hadn't previously heard about it happening with USPS.
omyn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:04:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this not considered fraud?
Atleast the companies selling and mailing through said postal service should be pressuring them to do their damn job more precisely...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work for a third-party Amazon seller and this is what I tell my customers with this problem. Partly because their Amazon-generated estimated delivery date has not been reached yet so its not my problem yet.
But mostly because I dont know where the fuck the package is because I'm not fucking delivering it myself like some people think and customers demand to know why this happens so I make some shit up. Seems to work.
EminemLovesGrapes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not us postal service but I live in the EU.
Literally saw a delivery driver scribble something on his PDA as a "signature" and throw a 200 euro phone in the neighbours doorway.
I'm glad I'm on good terms with them and I happened to be outside when it got delivered. But for all I know they could've knicked that phone and I would've been none the wiser.
Sharkbate44125 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, my mom is a post master and my dad is a post carrier, some carriers scan early to avoid getting in troubles.
Matt081 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:48:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is how I came to get my Wii U for free. My Prime Now delivery window was 8PM TO 10PM. I can track the gps of the driver. She was 10 miles away at the same spot for over an hour when she marked it as delivered exactly at 10PM. My wife and I each called to complain and the thing finally showed up around 11 delivered by a very stoned driver.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Matt081 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:23:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When we complained, Amazon customer service gave us the delivery for free.
Midnight2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes you just have a shitty mailman. Last place I lived- mail sucked. My new location it's great though!
swizzler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is right as my USPS orders will show delivered right after they drive away from my door. I think the problem is shitty drivers that know they won't get fired, not a shitty system.
Surefireaustin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i can concur my mail man just marks it as "unable to reach front door" which is utter bull.
sonofaresiii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had that but I have had them ring me in as not home... As I watch them drive by.
LateNightPhilosopher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always assume that's what it it is. It's happened to me several times that a package will be marked delivered at the very end of the day and I'll receive the notification from Amazon, but the box w9nt actually show up on my porch until the next morning. I'd always assumed it was the local delivery guy lying about finishing his deliveries on time to save himself from getting dinged for falling behind, and then catching up the next morning
DialMMM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:29:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a $3k WalMart.com order refunded because the product was defective. It sat on a pallet waiting for two weeks. Then I got re-charged the full amount. After a bit of digging I found that the driver had marked the package picked up, so when it never showed up at the distribution center they flagged it as stolen.
PM_Me_Buttery_Stuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a tv refunded to me a few days after it was delivered because the driver didn't mark the package as delivered...
HashedEgg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:56:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was waiting the whole of yesterday for an important package, only to get a message through the track and trace app (DPD, not amazon) that no one was home and the driver left a note. That never happend. Neighbours hadn't seen shit either. I think it's very plausible that they just mark off some packages when they are behind on schedule. It was marked off an hour after he should have delivered and when I called DPD, half an hour later, they said it was to late now for the driver to turn back. In short, DPD sucks, they fake delivery attempts.
RepublicanScum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:50:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I figured too. My USPS guy marks things as delivered then they show up the next day. Especially on Saturdays when I just assume he doesnโt feel like doing his job.
I think itโs more so he doesnโt get in trouble than anything.
Dephyus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work for USPS. Can confirm. Will sometime scan packages as delivered then deliver them the next day if your house is too far away or it won't fit in the box. You fuckers order some heavy shit.
EDIT: Just in case this comment goes tits up, Yes I was joking. BUT this does really happen with some of the more senior carriers. If they don't feel like carrying it, they will scan it delivered and wait for you to come get it. It's tolerated less now, but it still happens. It never hurts to call your local PO.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:20:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dephyus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:42:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Please call customer service. To be truthful, a lot of carriers do their job quite well and managers want nothing more than to not deal with customers. Carriers will deliver your package to the best of their abilities, but managers could give a shit less about you or your package. They get paid salary. They have their own union. I mean, for fucks sake, there was a recent post master who harassed a score of women. Instead of fire him, they moved him to a different sector of the service. They couldn't give a fuck. So call them, have them do their jobs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:11:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dephyus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now hold on. Unions do a lot of good too. They are like welfare. You pay for it. You use it when you really need it. But it is abused constantly. At least for me, I was in an accident involving my postal vehicle. Management tried to say it was my fault, it was intentional, that I had been drinking on the job and I should be fired. Their logic? I delivered to a bar, so I got drunk and crashed my rig. Union set that shit straight. But, there are people who know the system so well they call pull shit off for years and never get in any hot water. It was works well till it doesn't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dephyus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:38 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True fucking that, my dude.
andy83991 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:30:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either you're trolling and if so, touche, if you're serious though, please quit and get a job you can handle like a Walmart greeter
Dephyus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a little bit of both. Honestly, most Walmart greeters work harder than postal carriers, and they are 100% less entitled.
yucharion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:26:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow.
RoveCove ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:48:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop down voting this guy or else folks won't be able to see his comment, and this is what should be known.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do this to me all the time, but I always receive the package a few hours later than it said it was delivered.
tendernubbins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya
unpleasantrascal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a story from Canada the other day where the delivery driver showed up and left a card, when the owner flagged him down he didn't even have the package with him.
essential_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they do it to fall in line with whatever shipping you paid for. Oh you paid 2 day? I'll mark it delivered and come back tomorrow.
Beachy5313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. It will say that my package was delivered and it shows up at 8am the next day when the USPS lady hurls it onto our porch.
morris1022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, I work for a really large ecommerce company. It is very common (or at least that's what I was told) for drivers to "bulk scan" all the packages in their trucks (basically scanning a label that encompasses all of the packages on their delivery), in which case, the item shows delivered before it actually is.
Or, drivers do the opposite and don't scan anything until the end of the day, then they bulk scan once it's all been delivered.
Or they don't deliver it all.
Or they deliver to the wrong place.
And sometimes, they'll deliver an empty box.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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g-g-g-g-ghost ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize what happened there right? You called and asked if they had it and they pulled it for you to pick it up. The carrier would have been told that and it was waiting in the office for you to get it.
andy83991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Happened to me. By the time I realized it, I had to go pick it up the next morning.
shad0wpuzzle ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 03:26:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a USPS mailman, I can confirm that this is not true. At least not in my area. Packages arrive in the morning, sometimes in the afternoon, and are scanned by a machine that then tells the clerk which route the package is to be delivered on. So, essentially there are carts for each route, and the person scanning in the packages puts each package into the correct cart. This is when its scanned as "Out for delivery". The mailmen then have to scan the package as "Delivered" or "Attempted" once we arrive at the destination.
It's probably true that some drivers are 'lazy' and don't deliver packages, especially ones that require a signature, but that doesn't happen at my post office, or at least as far as I know. I don't think many people realize that we sort all of the mail and packages ourselves before we hit the road. Personally, my route has ~650 addresses to deliver to. Each address, on a Monday, probably gets 7-10 pieces of mail on average. Not counting the businesses that get significantly more. So that's like ~5000 pieces of mail that I'm placing with my own hands into a spot on the case that matches the address. We then have to sort packages out, which last Monday I had 150. So we sort the mail by hand, and then sort packages by hand, and then load them into the truck so that they are perfectly organized for delivery. Then we deliver all of the mail ourselves which involves sorting through the mail for each address and paying attention to packages all while driving. It's not an easy job by any means. There is a reason why the turnover rate is ~75% on a job that pays $17+ an hour for entry level. Honestly, I'd even say the turnover rate is higher than that even.
Any ways, I'm tired, but I just wanted to share some insight into the process behind mail delivery. TL:DR, it's not an easy job
Brawndo91 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't explain why I just received a package from the USPS today that the tracking said would arrive this past Saturday...
cwest2424 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:00:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably got delivered to the wrong address, taken back to the post office and then resorted to be sent again.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:28:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Brawndo91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:26 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ dude. All I said was that my package wasn't delivered when the tracking said it would be. What about that makes you think I buy into some conspiracy? How about you sling some of that shit to the guy who said it in the first place?
simrobert2001 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 22:29:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It actually happens when the postal employee pre-scans the package, or scans the wrong package. Or even puts it at the wrong address.
Rubes2525 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:26:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a former FedEx courier, I admit I would fuck up sometimes with my scans, but it is something I can fix within an hour (or next day worst case scenario), not come back a week later with it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing like your afternoon library bathroom breaks in the glorious AC
Rubes2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work split shifts so I would just drive home with my truck, hang out for a few hours, and then proceed with my afternoon pickup route.
simrobert2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but this guy could be just lazy. Or doing something REALLY shady.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Rubes2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:41 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A USPS carrier has mailbox privileges, a smaller area to cover, and very little tracked packages. The point is we are talking about tracked packages, and there is no excuse for delivering a package a whole week later than what the scan says.
Emburgh ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:07:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While certain scans are system generated (typically the "your package has departed/arrived from XXXXXX facility"), delivery scans are absolutely NOT based on an "algorithm". You're giving us too much credit lol. Like others have said, either the carrier misdelivered your package which, if the cell service is bad for the carrier's scanner, is possible, or they pre-scanned your package and didn't deliver it because they most likely weren't going to be able to deliver your package that day due to a handful of different delay possibilities. Delivery scans are how we measure if your package was delivered on time, so if a package is going to be late, carriers may pre-scan them, then deliver them the next day. This is ABSOLUTELY not how they are told to do things. It's just a workaround in the system.
Source: Plant engineer/scanning specialist for USPS
secret_motor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:46:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question about USPS tracking: I've got a package that's bounced back and forth between two cities in the US for a full week now, maybe 10 or more times, with no indication of the loop of stopping. What's likely happening here?
CallTheKiteman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:20:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll have better luck asking questions at /r/usps
Emburgh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple things can cause a package to loop. If the package has two labels on it (meaning the package was reused and there are two labels exposed, one old and your current one) that can cause it to loop. If the address/barcode on the package is damaged it can cause a loop. Those are the more common issues, but there's a handful of issues that could be causing the looping.
Do you have the tracking number? I can call the plants that it's looping at and tell them to pull the package out next time it hits one of their sorting machines. PM me if you have it.
katrilli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incorrect addressing most likely, or you've got a forwarding loop going on. Call your post office and talk to them? They can help you more than strangers on the internet can. And for the love of God please please please have your tracking number when you call.
Emburgh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a pretty cool video explaining generally how your mail is shipped and delivered.
https://youtu.be/ELAHw0JNdVk
Level9TraumaCenter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it true that packages are "bundled" rather than individually scanned at certain points, such that if a package comes out of the bundle for some reason, the tracking reflects where the bundle is, and not the individual package?
I mean, the package may be scanned in individually at some points, but once it's in a bundle, there's no reason to scan it individually. But that doesn't stop it from being separated from the bundle by accident, misleading anyone who attempts to track it.
Emburgh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on what part of the process the package is in. We'll sort packages into sacks, but the packages are scanned to that sack so you can track the sack as a whole, thus tracking each package. Sacks are tied before they're put into a bigger container, so very rarely will a package fall out. So yes, technically your package is "bundled" with other ones, but that's purely for transporting from plant to plant, plant to post office, etc. Once the sack is emptied onto a sorting machine or sent to a post office, the package will be individually scanned either by a person with a scanner, or on a sorting machine.
This isn't hurting the process or hindering your tracking ability, as an FYI.
katrilli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not op but... Kind of? When I receive a package to go out I scan it accepted. Then when I do dispatch, I scan one barcode which then tells the tracking system that it's been dispatched. When I receive packages to be delivered, I have to scan each one individually as arrival at unit, then each one either delivered or attempted before the end of the day or I'll get a call from my supervisor about it.
Rorynne ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:03:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive notced this happens MORE when the package changes hand between delivery services. Like DHL to USPS
ImARedHerring ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could be the case, especially if the drop-off delivery agency is using "last mile" service, such as UPS, Fed-Ex, and DHL. Those often come after the carriers have left for their routes, and are delayed until the next day. I've not heard of a package being delivered a week after it's delivery scan, though. And they use live tracking, at least at the point of delivery. The postal service has gotten much more strict in their policies for scanning on time, not in the office. The goal is to get much more accurate in their tracking, because let's face it, USPS makes their money off of parcel delivery these days, standard and first class postage wouldn't even keep the lights on.
katrilli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. We receive last mile packages around 12:30. The carrier is long gone by then, so they don't get scanned until the next day to avoid a failure on our record. It would be impossible to deliver them that day.
MythresThePally ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:30:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of my previous job (CS rep), I've had to deal with a lot of shit because of that tracking issue and I tell you, it's every mail service. USPS is just the worst offender. A buddy of mine lived in the US for some years and knew that many times they just a) scan it as delivered before leaving for the route, so as to not be scolded for late delivery if they don't make it for ETA or b) they mark it as delivered even if they lost it so that they don't get shit on for losing it.
I have a freight forwarder address in the US so I can shop there and this gives me so many headaches. This and the dreaded "available for pickup", sure, lemme jump in a plane, be there in 10 hours if I can find one.
Edit: Tweaked, because I always mess up reddit formatting.
DtMBrown12 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:33:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I'm a postal carrier and we have to scan each and every package we're in possession of upon delivery. When packages enter our office the clerks scan them in, which also takes a pic of the item, then we scan them delivered in the field. If we miss scans, management knows and we have to account for the item.
All this being said, it's still almost guaranteed you'll encounter a fuck up every now and then. You're regular is off and a brand new carrier is on route, package may be scanned delivered but it may be the wrong address, maybe your neighborhood uses the sane house numbers on every street. That can be fixed with the fact our scanners gps tag the act of scanning said package, if it's misdelivered we can normally be told where.
For Amazon in particular though, at least in my area where thru built a new facility, Amazon has hired its own force of delivery people so that could also be the disconnect in service. We do still deliver Amazon, as well as UPS and FedEx, but any we touch will have a new label with "USPS Tracking Number" on it. I don't know how Amazon proper is handling their delivery service but that may be the algorithm you mentioned.
In closing, the USPS can and will fuck up at some point but their are safeguards for the consumers. Be nice to your mail person and tip at Christmas haha!
ThreadyKrueger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:00:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I own an eBay business and ship thousands of items each year. This isn't even close to true for me.
USPS has been absolutely amazing for my business, though expensive. I have never had a single lost shipment in the United States with over 10,000 deliveries.
I have a .33% late shipment rate, none of which have been the USPS fault.
There have been two cases where a mailman marked the shipment delivered and never actually delivered the item that day. But the item was delivered the next day. I assume it's because they were lazy and wanted to go home.
Anecdotal but my experience.
Level9TraumaCenter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm right there with you. I ship a few hundred every year via USPS, and have had mostly good experiences.
My only exception would be for trying to claim insurance on those rare occasions that a "covered" item disappears. USPS insurance never pays out in my experience. There's always some sort of exception they will find.
katrilli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you โค๏ธ
lockheed06 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:36:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use myusps so I get an email at MOST of the tracking updates. Just today my carrier knocked on my door, handed me my package, and then when I got back to my desk i got the "delivered" notification in my email. I'd say you've just had bad luck with shitty mail-carriers.
fallouthirteen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I do the opposite. Since package handlers rarely even bother knocking (instead just leaving the package at the door) I just refresh the package tracking periodically and multiple times I've seen it change to delivered and I see the truck pulling away by the time I get to the door or a window.
jups2709 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:04:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had my mail carrier banging down my door the other day because she'd delivered a package but forgot to scan it. I mean she rang the doorbell several times and beat on the door for a few minutes. I was getting out of the shower so I couldn't run to the door right away. Anyway I think that goes against your theory but supports the unfortunate reality that some of the carriers are just lazy, rushing, or messing up some other way.
verbal_pestilence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was it something expensive or insured?
jups2709 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, she just said if she didn't scan it they'd think she stole it.
Rubes2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How to be the ultimate dick in that scenario: "I never got that package, what are you talking about?"
horsecalledwar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're on to something here. I've been ripped off 3 times now because USPS shows my package as delivered but I've never revived it.
In one case, the carrier admitted that he scanned it before starting his route then realized he lost it by the time he got to me. They still refused to change it so tracking showed it as delivered so I paid for something, never got it and couldn't get a refund.
Level9TraumaCenter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:27:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you need to go to your postmaster at the post office and report this sort of thing. Bring all your corroborating documents that you have.
If it goes that far, the US Postal Inspection Service does not mess around.
horsecalledwar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:18:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think of it at the time because I was so busy fighting with my local post office but that's a great suggestion and anyone who has a similar experience should do that!
historybythevictors ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:31:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, Newman
pug_grama2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:47:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had things show as undelivered on Amazon for months after they were delivered.
CallTheKiteman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just because the delivery guy forgot to scan it "delivered", so it's just still sitting in the system.
TheCoyoteBlack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:50:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't have our shit together enough to do that, tbh.
Cryptonat ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The truth is much more sad than the conspiracy. They are just a poorly managed government 'service'. I'm pretty sure the only well managed government 'service' is the IRS.
aliensheep ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 23:46:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a government service. It's a company owned by the government, same with Amtrak, and its fully funded by the sale of stamps, not taxes. It was also forced by Congress in 2006 (postal accountability and enforcement act) that within 10 years the United States Postal Service would have to fully fund retirement health care benefits for the next 75 years. This forced the USPS to run in the red for a few years because they had put money aside for to cover employees that weren't even born yet. That has come and gone and now we are seeing an improvement in services.
Edit: Clarified, Amtrak is government owned company, but not funded by stamps
robotnel ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:26:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if only Congress would stop trying to force the USPS to make terrible business decisions, which even after doing so the service and company still manage to get it mostly right. The idea is that if they force not just unreasonable but completely unrealistic expectations onto the USPS, then they can justify that the private market can do a better job than the government.
KinglyWeevil ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:25:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost as if some services should be provided for the public good and be funded by taxes, because not all things good for society are profitable...
Level9TraumaCenter ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:25:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is the end goal is to render the USPS unable to compete with private services like UPS and FedEx. It's the unsurprisingly common tactic of starving federal services (even though the USPS isn't "100% federal"), then pointing out how awful it is so the obvious solution... privatization, and thus profits.
Cr4nkY4nk3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me that you're saying that Amtrak is owned by a corporation where the government is the majority stockholder, and you're not suggesting that it's fully funded by ticket sales, etc.
Source
Source
aliensheep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The former.
DoktorSoviet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're basically state capitalism ala China.
krakajacks ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:38:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The USPS is not a government service anymore. They still have some special rights from when they were though
Yunknow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irs is a fucking joke
abqkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain why you believe that this is? As an accountant, I am always interested in hearing people's take and opinion on the IRS
Yunknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still haven't received my 2015 tax return of just over $900. I have spent hours upon hours on the phone with them, getting put on hold, getting transferred here and there. I've been told something different by every person I've talked to there.. ID needs to be confirmed, employer didnt turn in my w2, it was deposited to a bank and then taken back, etc. I've confirmed my ID and my employer resubmitted my w2. They've told me 5 different times they will send me a letter in the mail within 45 days. Ive recieved 2 letters, one said my money was on the way, then another that said nevermind your account is still under review. I talked to taxpayer advocate and they said the only way they will speed up the process is if i turn in an eviction notice from my apartment! I even made an appointment to go to my local irs office. I sat in the waiting room for an hour. The guard there actually asked me what I needed my money for, apparently "because it's my money" was not the correct answer. They told me the computers were down and I would have to reschedule. I've been working tirelessly for 2 years trying to get my tax return with absolutely no success.
Deriksson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are willing to overlook numerous scandals the IRS has been involved in
cld8 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:38:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's an algorithm, it's just lazy drivers marking a package as delivered in order to keep their numbers up.
CaffeineSippingMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:30:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My package was delivered, but I didn't have it. I called and the lady asked my address, when told her she apologized and told me it was delivered at my neighbor's address across the street. This happened to be where my mailbox was. Found out the GPS told her this. My package was in the 2nd mailbox, not mine.
OMGoodman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:04:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
City carrier for USPS here. I can only speak reliably for what happens when it hits your post office.
Clerk will scan it received at the office, and depending on what time it got there, it'll go out either that day (if it was early in the morning) or the next (if it arrived after we departed to our routes).
So there's a lot of pressure to deliver everything that day. Like, a lot. Like, it's a law a lot.
But depending on what kind of route you live on, there could be anywhere from 80-100 packages your carrier has to work through, and we don't get a list. We just load our trucks in order as best we can.
So they will scan it delivered once they figure out that they missed it.
It's super ridiculous that they are taking a week to properly deliver it though.
Also, I do know first-hand that the delivery scans are accurately time stamped. I used to live on my own route, and would get a notification when I scanned something that i had ordered sent to my email about 15 minutes after the scan.
KingCoprolite ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked as an assistant rural carrier this spring. The delivery/gps device is usually accurate but does a terrible job figuring out streets if a house can be be accessed on both sides. Sometimes id run through the scanner and accidentally say delivered and walk to the wrong house then figure it out later. It's possible the service in you area is so bad that people are bringing packages back to the office if the house isnt found. Then are put out for redelivery later.
superdude4agzefaggot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened with my french press on Amazon. I notified the seller that it was indeed NOT delivered, and they sent another, free of charge & no questions asked. Then a second press shows up in the mail 2 days after the first one (which was just a day late).
xXxNoScopeMLGxXx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's weird. I never get a delivery confirmation until they scan it. Actually, the mail lady told me she expects to see me a few minutes later whenever she scans my package.
LemonJongie23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care if this is a conspiracy or not it just pisses me off when this happens
sirdigbychikincaesar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had this happen to me twice. I called my local post office, and they claimed it was delivered. I received the one item a week later and the other almost an entire year late. It was dusty, so I assume it fell behind something and it was only found after cleaning.
ImARedHerring ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:53:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It probably ended up at the dead letter office for a while for some reason or the other, before they figured out where it was supposed to go.
DontToewsMeBro2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*using an algorithm
If they are using an algorithm, the definition is that it is meant to solve a problem (not create one). Yelp continually calls me to advertise with them, saying that their "algorithm" removes my good reviews. Algorithm is a fancy word to few, but they use it as a "set of rules".
They still keep calling me.
I've had about 25 different "account reps" in the past 2 years. Churn and burn, just like Uber.
Rhenthalin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't chalk up to high level mathematics what can easily be explained by general incompetence, espeically in regards to USPS
lahickorynut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens to me all the time. UPS and FedEx delivery notifications are usually minutes after delivery. USPS notifications are a joke, sometimes days before I get the package.
ShotIntoOrbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you might just have a shitty local USPS. I get packages all the time and am almost always home when the mail comes. I'm also signed up to receive text message updates for packages coming to my address. The moment I receive a text saying a package was delivered I can look out my window and see the mail truck still at my mail box, every time.
laikahero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Former USPS Letter Carrier here. If we missed a package that day, management would tell us to scan it as delivered anyway. It looked bad when the higher ups saw that we had undelivered packages, so everything just got scanned as delivered.
goosegoosegoosegoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a "no safe place for delivery" pick up slip in my mailbox for an item that had long since been delivered, but the carrier couldn't find the package and since it was already marked as "delivered", she was afraid she had lost it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes the new guys scan it as delivered and sneak it to you over the next couple of days
KeybladeSpirit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's clearly a bunch of employees on multiple levels trying the fudge their numbers.
In the past few months I've had the opposite problem. Packages have arrived days before they're even marked as shipped, or get marked as shipped the day before they arrive even though I'm using the standard 5 day shipping option.
by_myself ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canada post claimed to have tried to deliver a package to my house while I was there, they claimed no one was home. The slip that they leave wasn't left on the door, it was put in our mailbox. I went to the kiosk they have to pick it up the next day and they couldn't find it, i had to visit them 2 days after the slip was left in our mailbox before they found it, and they were about to send me home empty handed claiming they couldn't find it when I started complaining and they looked again.
Canada post is ruining the regular unprofitable postal service in order to drive business to their more profitable subsidiary: Purolator.
Dephyus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For reals though, as a USPS employee, I truly believe they go by the bar code. They just scan it as delivered, then promptly lose it. Only to find it days later. It happens to me once a week.
Also, no course of action is a little extreme. The scanners we use to scan packages are super accurate GPS'. You would think it's so they can pin point where your package was scanned (which they can,) but it mostly to track employees and make sure our lunches don't go one minute over. The scanners are so accurate, they can track within a 20 foot radius of the scan point. Those scanners update location details and package links every 45 seconds. They are tracked in major hubs using giant monitors cycling through every carrier in 5 minute intervals.
And yet, they still fuck it up and lose packages. All the fucking time.
PonyJetpack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had packages "delivered", only to show up later. Turns out our mail carrier was stealing mail and would only deliver the packages after confronted. We had no clue until we got a letter from the OIG that our mail was involved in her thievery, along with news stories documenting her nonsense. My dog hated that raggedy old bag...I should've known he was warning us.
gsfgf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon uses USPS for last mile in my city. I usually get a delivery text within minutes. It's not unusual for me to get a delivery text in time to meet the mail carrier at the door to get my package without them knocking.
topdangle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't because of algos. That's because of employees illegally scanning your delivery before its actually delivered for whatever reason, probably because they are frequently late and their managers are getting upset. There is also the less likely possibility that, if your package requires no signature, they're selectively stealing packages.
MissTastiCakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the postal service, if it says delivered the scan locks in a GPS coordinate as to where it was delivered to. We can see these when we look up the tracking number on our side. They are pretty darn accurate. There are some hiccups like if you have group boxes the GPS scan will be there and not your house. International tracking numbers don't lock the GPS coordinate. If you are having problems with a package saying it's delivered and it's not check with your post office, that shouldn't be happening. I worked in an office with great carriers who were honest and did everything they could to get packages where they are going, but I know some people are feeling the pressure and may be doing things like scanning things in their trucks or manually inputting them on the office. The GPS will show those instances though, and if it keeps happening you should definitely talk to a supervisor or the post master.
Source: postal worker.
Khcorum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just recently had a USPS Priority Mail package get lost in the mail, and the tracking info said it was delivered. Neighbors didn't get it, the post office couldn't find it, and they didn't really make an effort to look for it. I visited the post office in person twice and called repeatedly. They all told me they would check with the driver that was on the route that day and call me back. No one ever called back. Luckily my vendor on eBay was top notch and sent me a replacement via UPS.
Chairman5551 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This definitely happens. Last week I had a package marked delivered and the tracking said it was put in my mailbox. I checked my surveillance footage, which has a clear shot of my mailbox, and nothing was delivered. Showed up the next day. It's really annoying because I live in a shitty neighborhood and have had packages stolen, which is why I installed cameras to begin with.
droidonomy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure the Australia Post guys just fill out a bunch of missed delivery cards beforehand, because it's much faster to distribute those into an apartment complex's mailboxes then drop all the packages off at the post office for collection. The number of times I've been at home all day waiting for a delivery, only to go outside and find one of those cards...
11BravoNRD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FYI its just lazy employees. I was told my certified letter from the army couldn't be delivered because no one was home. I was home all day. I went to the street and confronted the carrier on his way back down our road. He not only didn't make an attempt to deliver the letter but took the notice that must be left in the mailbox.
Eurynom0s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One time I had a package show as departing the same point three times in 24 hours.
PasswordIsTaco33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I might be misunderstanding this, but I'm not so sure about this as multiple times I've had tracked packages that show they haven't left the original location that once delivered skip through the usual tracking steps to delivered
oscurotek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are on to something.
enormuschwanzstucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This just happened to me a few weeks ago. Weird.
voteGOPk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see my postman scan the packages as he hands them to me though...
Onkel_Adolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to me twice in the last month. Amazon replaced it for free with little hassle. I love you, Mr. Bezos!
Indigoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a package arrive a few weeks earlier than the estimated delivery date. It was confirmed delivered on the original date too.
hitthewallrunning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I've seen this too.
dont_believe_sharks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the flip side, I've had packages sitting on my desk that the usps website said was still on the other side of the country. I'm pretty sure their tracking software updates scan to the central server in batches. The delivery confirmations go up in real-time though.
dreadtheomega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This just happened to me, said it was delivered on Saturday, I just got it on Tuesday. I've been told that they scan the packages ahead of time as delivered to save time while delivering, I think it's BS. I mean it sucks, I paid extra for one day shipping (Which should have been Friday) and I didn't even get it till 4 day's later.
VanillaTortilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's crazy, because I regularly get mail for 5 different people at my address when it's only me living here.
IAmKingOfNoPantsAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had problems with that and them just not scanning it, so for a week I think it's in Kentucky or something. Then the next update says it's out for delivery. So. I would agree with this one.
quidditchstudies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if this is just where I live, or if the delivery person was just awfully nice, but Amazon sent a delivery confirmation along with a photo of the package on our doorstep. Might be because people have also started to steal packages, so.. there's that.
g-g-g-g-ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes things get misdelivered and it takes time to get it sorted out. It's not common but things can be delivered to neighbors or to people with similar addresses and either they don't notice it until a week later and drop it off, it was get told to go pick it up and bring it to the right place, sometimes it might go out in the wrong city and then get delivered and noticed that day or the day after and go through the process of getting to the right place but at that point the tracking only updates internally and customers can't see it.
upsidedownfunnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My packages are labeled delivered 100% accurately to the half hour of when theyโre delivered. Do you live in a rural area?
pugwalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last stop must be accurate though because I get an email the moment it arrives.
LostInUserSub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if I'll be seen but I got some really good proof.
I checked my package status at 11:30pm or so Feb 1st. It said "arrived at local facility at 4pm Feb 2nd".
I assumed glitch but this has happened multiple times. The packages always arrive on time and I do check/verify whether I'm seeing the correct time zones etc.
Not sure what's going on here.
dieselgeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been outside and received a notification on my phone that my package was delivered as the post man was jamming it in my mailbox.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just my experience but I've gotten an email straight after the mailman dropped off my package.
poochyenarulez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I've shipped over 500 packages through usps and never heard of this problem.
Best_of_Ireland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually a letter carrier for the post office, and we do have scanners with us. We're supposed to only scan the package delivered when we're actually dropping it off on the porch, in the box, or with the customer. The earliest we could possibly scan a package is the morning of the day it is supposed to be delivered, so I honestly don't know why it could be taking as long as days or even a week longer to arrive.
the_professir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked for UPS for 3 years, 9 years ago.
Believe it or not, they gave us hand scanners and a little computer we carried on our hip. We scanned every package that came into our truck (and had to memorize which zip codes went in which truck -- hundreds of numbers with various, tricky exceptions).
They also strictly employed druggie college kids so they could basically abuse them.
This all led to an environment about as insane as you'd imagine. I've seen packages roll down the belt literally on fire.
TLDR; moving millions of packages a day is a pretty shoddy operation.
ThorinWodenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask them for the location of the delivery scan. They should be GPS tagged within feet of your mail box. Or, I suspect at a supervisor's desk.
DomesticChaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once I had a package delivery notice....a week after my package had arrived. So that was weird and nice.
sizzleracn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't say anything about USPS, however I load trailers at FedEx and we scan every package, not solely so the customer can see where it is, but because it gives valuable information for the company, such as trailer weights (since there's weight limits), and how well each area of the building is performing. It also gives a way for them to see how well employees are doing since it tells how many boxes per hour each employee is loading. In my load area, scanning percentage is usually between 99.5% and 99.8% each day, meaning, everyday, .2% to .5% of packages somehow get through without being scanned. I would assume USPS also takes scanning seriously, so it's possible that you've just gotten really unlucky with missed scans.
thewanderer64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may or may not believe me but at least at my office I can confirm that every skid gets scanned as 'Arrival at Unit' and every single package gets scanned that way by a team of clerks and then every single package is scanned again by the carrier. If your theory is right the USPS is paying a lot of people for busy work...although now that I think about it....
emptyflask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This had happened to me multiple times as well.
The USPS tracking system is useless if packages are marked as delivered days before they actually show up.
Judgm3nt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not useless. Each 'delivered' scan has a GPS coordinate that can be used to identify whether it was delivered at the correct location.
brassmonkeybb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and her mother both have an Ipsy account, delivered by USPS. Both receive their packages the day after the PO says it has arrived. Every time.
red_beanie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to me. The package said it was delivered on Sunday and I didn't get it till the following Friday. Jokes on Amazon tho, they refunded me before it arrived.
otzisan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Today I was sitting on my front porch when I got a notification that USPS just attempted a delivery and left a notice. No delivery attempt, no notice.
Rhodie114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the flip side, I've gotten packages before, only to get a notification that they were delivered a day later.
MailFucker6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The postal service has received directions from Amazon stating essentially that all their packages must be delivered on the expected delivery date by 8pm with no exceptions. Sometimes that's just not possible. A business is closed, not safe to deliver, no place to leave the package, etc. This is how it started, the supervisors at an office scans a package delivered in a what we call a "stop the clock" scan. It has however completely opened the floodgates and the scans are no done for absolutely no fucking reason other than whoops, didn't get it to the carrier before they left (sometimes multiple days in a row). They also do it will all packages now, not just Amazon fyi. Basically rules are too strict the rules no longer matter. There's no flexibility so it's entirely tossed. Not trying to say it's right to do or ethical, legal, etc, just trying to explain why it do like it do. The system is also entirely fucked. So... That doesn't help.
PyDive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sell guitar picks on eBay. One of them shipped to Ohio. The tracking said delivered, but the 2 a guy messages from the buyer said otherwise. It took another 4 days for him to actually get it.
HarryHungwell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simply untrue. It is mentioned countless times that you need to remember to scan the package when you deliver it. When you deliver it, not before. If you did not scan they will tell you when you get back and likely just have you type it in and confirm it.
RonsterTM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lost a limited edition vinyl because USPS said that it was delivered when it hadn't been. In fact I had received the mail when the day it had shown delivered since I was expecting it. After 4 employees and 2 managers said they would contact me after looking into it, they finally just said that it had been delivered and there was nothing they could do. Fuck em.
jatenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in germany; I'll talk about biggest parcel service DHL here which also offers tracking (as every parcel service nowadays). I can't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure it depends on scans here. The data matches "logic", which would not oppose an algorithm if it's good enough - it's not always on time, but considering how much of that data is transmitted, that mobile coverage doesn't exist everywhere, and that people and machines screw up (as in, don't follow the "usual" route), it would make sense for some data to not make 100% sense.
On top of that I also spoke to a kiosk owner who has a contract with DHL so that they can have a little space in his shop as a kind of "minimal branch" (that exists quite a lot here in areas where people live, but not enough to justify a complete store). He was just under contract and planned to not extend it (as many others, as he said) due to horrible conditions that made him actually lose money in the end (fucked up thing; he explained it to me but it's too complex for here) so he was open about how it works and his experiences.
He told me that every few months, a lot of regular drivers from specific areas have vacations and they employ untrained substitutes for that time who don't even really get training. They just need a driver's license, that's it. They also hire a lot of immigrants who just came here, which is great for inclusion, but without the least amount of training that results in trouble with our society, work protocols, and even communication (it's often really hard to even speak a few words with them). That's not on those people but on DHL, of course, and it's great that these people try, but the hate they get from annoyed customers is unfair to them and also DHL's fault.
During such times, packages and especially the tracking screw up WAY more often. You can have three "failed" delivery attempts in three consecutive days while you where at home the entire time. DHL support is aware and doesn't even really do anything (as they can't); they tell you they're gonna look into it and just throw the ticket in the trash. Sometimes they'll tell you that your package will arrive "in a few days" if they know that that's the time the regular drivers return.
The stories go so far that he had an anecdote where an employee quit, in the middle of his shift, from one second to the other. He just left the truck standing, half full with packages to deliver, and walked away. No idea what happened to him, but considering that this is a thing that can happen and that those employees are untrained and unfit for this job, it definitely makes sense that such problems can occur in less severity outside of those timeframes. New employees are usually unskilled at first, and in such a big company there will be a few who handle your package at one time or the other. If one screws up, the tracking process might fuck up entirely as it's extremely hard to build software with any kind of fuckup in mind.
myothercarisapickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I got a new phone I ordered a case to be delivered to my home. It arrived the following day. 5 days later I got an email saying it had just been shipped. Conspiracy? Probably.
sudo-iceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS! and here I am trying to explain to clients why shit isnโt showing up on time.
EvilFlyingSquirrel ยท 7622 points ยท Posted at 18:51:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars' "Uptown Funk", the line "Uptown Funk you up, Uptown Funk you up", they actually say fuck a few times.
11181514 ยท 3641 points ยท Posted at 22:11:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so this one time I was at a farmer's market and there was this kid, definitely under 10 years old, playing an electric guitar and singing. Which was pretty adorable. But then when he started on Uptown Funk he was definitely saying "fuck" (not intentionally just how it came out). There was probably a crowd of about 50 people trying not to laugh so as to not make the kid feel embarrassed about performing, but it was one of the funniest things ever. Even the kid's parents were barely holding it together.
RichWPX ยท 2508 points ยท Posted at 02:54:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son does it the reverse way
"I'm too hot (hot day)"
It still makes sense
williet28 ยท 1011 points ยท Posted at 03:28:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girls say "hot dance".
My favorite though is the Jason Derulo song "Talk dirty to me". They think he says "Tom Brady time". We live in Boston.
[deleted] ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 05:43:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part of every Jason Derulo song is where he says JASOOONNNN DERUUUULOOOOoooOOOoooo
RichWPX ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 03:32:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny when he does it and I'm sure it the same for you it's with 100 percent conviction that that's the proper lyric. I don't know something about that look of yeah I know this song and I know it well makes it cuter.
Wiki_pedo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:40:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the song where he says "Jason Derulo"?
johnny2k ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:28:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just heard about Tom Brady yesterday and know he's a quarterback but is there some other thing about where you live that makes this comment funny? Do people in your area love or hate Tom Brady? No sarcasm here. I just want to understand sports references.
Weebr ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 05:38:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boston is in New England. Brady plays for New England.
uber1337h4xx0r ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:23:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have a new England now?
earlsweaty ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 10:06:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New England is my City
sophiaroses ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:36:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is litty
Rph23 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:02:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is an absolute living legend up in the north east. I'm not a fan due to my loyalty to another organization, but it's fair to say he is the best quarterback of all time. He's an incredible player and has a good personality/looks, everyone loves him up there.
POGtastic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:02:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're in Boston and insult Tom Brady, you're going to have a bad time.
mustang55 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:54 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girls say "hot ham" lol
Skidvish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:48:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm totally stealing Tom Brady time haha. I just played the song and it's awesome
boopboopadoopity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:45:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simply adorable!
EuphoricNeckbeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's adorable
DiamondMinah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:59 on November 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i thought he said "Top thirty two"
Fleaaaa ยท 494 points ยท Posted at 03:10:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wholesome kid
borumlive ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:21:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/KidzBop is leaking
fotografamerika ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:16:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to think "dirty deeds and they're done dirt cheap" was "dirty jeans and a thunder jeep"
MrLomax ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:41:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, a full grown adult man, usually say "I'm too hot (hot ham)"
Weird Al, you know where to find me.
digitalmofo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird Al needs to turn Smack Dat into Snapchat pronto.
MrLomax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still waiting for the "Bleed It Out" -> "Tweet It Out" parody.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:27:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's cute as hell
thenandz ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:21:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adorable. Have an upvote.
RichWPX ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:27:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha thanks he's barely 6
7emple ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:30:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Niece
"It's too hot (hot bread)"
Cute as fuck
LegendaryGoji ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:38:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Kidz Bop version, maybe?
yomandenver ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:41:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That one is "hot yeah."
horhar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:23:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fill my glass, put some water in it.
RichWPX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's I was actually wondering if that was it when I first heard it, thanks for confirming it's not.
innovationzz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:06:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That song that says "popped a molly I'm sweating"
I thought it was "hot tamale I'm sweating"
TheNewAcct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter says "hot bam!"
dirtybirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the Kidz Bop version, they say "hot yeah"
ItchyTriggaFingaNigg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son says the same... "Po-wice and a Bi-man"
xenokilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot damn
nc2tbvp25vheos9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get your comment. Did I drink too much tonight or am I just dumb?
holy_harlot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that is so CUTEE
i_fuck_centipedes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fill my cup, put some Kool Aid in it
prestoneric ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:05:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When my son was still learning to talk at about 2 years old he tried to copy his mother and sing Uptown Funk but instead he kept saying "up down I'ma fuck you up!" We have some very shaky videos of him singing because we were laughing too hard.
jumanjifan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This single comment made me wish I lived in a first world country and enjoy such moments. I hope to get the opportunity to travel to California sometime next year.
11181514 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:48:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it was actually in California!
jumanjifan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figured haha! Beautiful place. Enjoy the people for me over there.
lonelady75 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was teaching ESL in Korea, one of my students was convinced the words were "Up, down, monkey down, Up down monkey down."
No idea how he thought that, but I remember the class bursting out laughing, and then everyone trying to convince him that he was wrong, but he was sure he was right.
chasethatdragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Growing up I thought it was"play that fucking music white boy" first time ever got in trouble for cursing love
dongknog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:43:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was at a talent show for adults with Down syndrome and one woman sang uptown funk hit that hard UCK every single time. Worst part was those were the only words she knew. She just yelled "uptown fuck you up" until the song was over.
superpencil121 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When the song first came out I overheard a group of young boys talking about it, saying "yeah the song said 'uptown Eff you up!'" I thought it was funny that they mistook the lyrics and were excited about a song having a swear word in it
Khrull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 4 year old says it all the time!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friends kid says "fuck" instead of "truck" and he has no intentions of ever correcting her.
MADEDITOR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was this the asian kid in Third street?
11181514 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope
UndeniablyPink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, this reminds me of a memory from when I was really young. My sisters liked his song called "thank you for the funk". Of course I thought it said fuck and was kind of surprised it was being said so freely but sang along anyways. Got made fun of by them but not scolded so win?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget 'here's my cup put some n*gga init'
PatDude0000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister is 11 years younger than me and 9 younger than my brother. We're at dinner when she's maybe about 10 and starts singing "Like a Prayer" by Madonna....
kosmic_osmo ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:31:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you should have. children singing is disgusting.
sixesand7s ยท 1789 points ยท Posted at 20:27:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in poker face by lady gaga i swear its like P-p-p-p-fuck her face
innernationalspy ยท 1037 points ยท Posted at 00:50:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She has confirmed she sometimes does this at shows. https://youtu.be/IR1sVy3RSH0
LTMG ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 04:10:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gosh, I'm not a big fan of the music, but I love this woman
DemonJesterBot ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 06:09:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you might enjoy this: https://youtu.be/ooyE9IIWBy4
James' mic was off in this clip Here is the rehearsal with his mic on https://youtu.be/bsYq4hGevIw
Anonymustache_ ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:50:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy hell that was amazing. She is fucking badass!
DemonJesterBot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:37:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She just needs to work on the headbanging
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 05:02:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dankmernes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Louie Louie
Skidvish ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:49:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Butt fuck her face?
acidpaan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:58:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only works on people with assholes for mouths
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever looked up a picture of someone with an asshole photoshopped where their mouth should be (they exist)? It's actually really unsettling.
SipofCherryCola ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:24:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arseface!
DaAvalon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:34:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird that you mention it because I just started watching Preacher yesterday and they have a guy kinda like that in the show.
LavastormSW ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:08:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's incredible
PM_meyour_closeshave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only shows, it was like that in the radio, after she talked about it they started censoring it
KEKS_WILL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:44 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lady try hard
mrstinkyfingers ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, she does not sound good live.
cyrusvuitton ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 21:50:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She confirmed that a few years ago so you're right
stormageddonsmum ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 01:40:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy Shit. It's true. I thought I just had a dirty mind.
Harry-Dresden ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:04:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, I wish I knew she had confirmed it. So many people have argued that I'm hearing things, when I've always found it so blatant. Always bugged me a little when I'd see very young girls singing it...
ryeguy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:05:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link to chorus. Listen to the second repetition, it's pretty obvious when you're listening for it.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:10:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tobietera ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:21:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im convinced Cypress Hill did exactly the same thing with 'When The Shit Goes Down'. For the radio version they just titled it "When The Ship Goes Down" and didn't re-record the vocals at all. There is no way anyone could prove they were saying anything but "Ship".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the UK at least, the radio version was called 'When The Ship Goes Down' but they actually just muted the word shit when they played it. I don't know whether there was a 'ship' version and the stations just thought it was still too close to shit so muted it out or whether Cypress Hill literally never did a different version.
tobietera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:02 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's my point, I'm from the UK and remember without a shadow of a doubt it being played on daytime radio and the radio dj saying "Before any of you ring in and complain they are saying "Ship" and not the rude word that sounds like ship" and I chuckled to myself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I agree. I think it varied from station to station. The beeb censored it, because they are a bit more careful in general, other stations were just insisting it said ship. I am pretty sure it wasn't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That guy recording is awesome. Obviously a big fan and singing in that joyful but very off key way you do at gigs.
RyghtHandMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In spaceship coup by justin timberlake for the longest time I thought he says "with the top fuck you wrapped up in my space lover cocoon" i wonder if he did it on purpose
-Balgruuf- ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:56:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure at one point in it she says it, but only once or twice, and she changes her tone mid-sentence when she starts saying fuck to sound a little angry
Pa-pa-pa-poker face , fa-fa-fuck her face is how it goes
ancientcreature2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:51:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's poke her face, fuck her face.
CWSwapigans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't read my poke her face.
-Balgruuf- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:10:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listen real hard
idwthis ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:30:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'll be dipped in shit. She does do it. I've listened to this song thousands of times. I can't believe I never noticed it before.
mattyb65 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually, it's at 1:20 where the says "fuck her face"
Emperor_Neuro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:15:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just at 1:20, but every "repeat" of the "puh-puh--puh-poker face" line.
ottoginc ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been convinced for years she says "fuck her face" many times in that song, and I'm fine with it because fucking faces is one of my favorite things.
thepeoplesdouche ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 21:05:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
also they keep saying burrito is Despacito to make white people sound racist when they swear they keep hearing them say burrito and ask about it
TravelerFromAFar ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 00:50:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear in David Bowie's song, Life on Mars, The lines, "Sailors fighting in the dance hall! Oh man! Look at those cave men go! It's the freakiest show!!!!" I swear to God, David is saying ,"Sailors fighting in the dance hall! Oh man, look at those "gay men go"!, it's the freakiest show." It makes more sense to me than the other way around.
mrhorrible ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:29:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never heard anything but gay men.
I mean, bowie was into sexual boundaries and blurring lines of gender. Struck me as perfectly reasonable he'd sing about a fight at a gay bar.
Tru-Queer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:50:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!
heybrother45 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 01:22:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I speak Spanish. Nobody says anything remotely close to "burrito". It's the only Spanish sounding word that rhymes with what they're saying that most people know.
Merwini ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:50:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a non Spanish speaker, I kept hearing "laberinto" as "la burrito" until I looked it up.
davetronred ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:23:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See I swore they were saying burrito, so I looked up the lyrics and read them as I was listening to the song. Once I did that, I confirmed there is not "burrito."
ParkLaineNext ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/LYhF9ZRjVek
Seeking_Psychosis ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:52:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I looked up the lyrics recently, and I was surprised that "This is how we do it down in Puerto Rico" isn't a line in the song. I've been hearing it like that for months. I thought past the beginning bit that it was the only English in the song.
callmemrkk ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:12:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://genius.com/Luis-fonsi-and-daddy-yankee-despacito-remix-lyrics
Verse 3. You were probably looking up the originals lyrics while the version everyone knows is the remix.
Seeking_Psychosis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:19:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooooohhhhhhh, that was probably it.
pikachu334 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the original the one every knows tho? It's the most seen video in YT
supermicky97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a line in the song though....
Seeking_Psychosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I looked up the translated lyrics it said it was all in Spanish for something like "were gonna do it a beach down in Puerto Rico" or something like that. Now I'm really confused.
Szalkow ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:42:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The original version of the song is entirely in Spanish. The version which is currently popular in English-speaking countries is a remix featuring Justin Bieber, and has had several verses reworked to include English lyrics.
Benramin567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... That's not racist.
iamAARAN ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 23:03:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just straight up wrong. Here's the lyrics
thepeoplesdouche ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 23:06:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well of course they wont show it in the actual lyrics, that's the conspiracy...
findandwrite ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:38:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought that was obvious. Like brittany spear "if you seek amy" song also around that time. I think pop music was definitely hiding stuff in plain sight
raspberrykoolaid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:19:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you remember the song "get down by B4-4"? I was singing that shit when I was 13 in front of my parents and had no clue.
findandwrite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....wow. that's like a lonely island sketch.
raspberrykoolaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come for the frosted tips, stay for the puka shells and eyebrows
correcthorsestapler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
H3H3 did a vid on these guys last year: https://youtu.be/MqgtVpD328o
midnightauro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:46:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least in the case of "If You Seek Amy", it wasn't hidden, people at the time BLEW THE FUCK UP about it. At least in the US. So much clickbait was produced about it, I thought they'd never shut up.
Strangely, no one gave a shit about "3" though.
dal_segno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't hidden AT ALL. The lyrics made no sense if you took them at face value: "All of the boys and all of the girls are begging to if you seek Amy".
So...yeah. It was about as stealthy as a hot pink ocean liner on dry land.
swion ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:33:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daft Punk secretly reveals a bit about their identify in the song Get Lucky. In the repeated part of "we're up all night again" they are really saying "we're all part Mexican." I swear it's true, give it a listen.
Millacol88 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:54:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like "we rub a Mexican monkey"
swion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:10:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that makes sense if they really are part Mexican.
jen0c1d3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never sing it another way again.
Legolihkan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:17:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
French, but part mexican?
tobietera ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're probably joking but I keep hearing people talk about who Daft Punk might be whilst I never thought there was any kind of mystery to who they actually were. They only started wearing the robot helmets relatively recently and used to regularly play and do photo shoots with no 'disguises'. They are just two normal, albeit incredibly talented, French dj / producers.
Emperor_Neuro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:19:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a rolling stone article about their look:
"Back in the Nineties, the duo placed black bags on their heads during promotional appearances and bought creepy Halloween masks to wear at photo shoots. The robot helmets, designed by French artist friends, originally featured campy brown wigs โ curly for Bangยญalter, flowing for de Homem-Christo. En route to the 2001 magazine shoot where they first unveiled the helmets, though, Daft Punk yanked off the hair, deciding the robots looked better bald. "Sleeker," Bangยญalter says."
tobietera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only ever remember seeing them for years with no mask or disguise at all and then them wearing the robot heads.
yerlordnsaveyer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, did you pull this from my Facebook ca. album release?!
mayanrelic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:43:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out Make Her Say by Kid Cudi. It's about blowjobs.
Kid_Budi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:08:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because she does say that. And then kid cudi made a song using that song as a sample called " poke her face"
cliffhuckstable91 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:25:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The songs called "Make Her Say"
Kid_Budi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not originally, but yes the album version is make her say
dancecommander ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:46:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone thinks I am nuts when I point this out. Thank you for pointing this out!!! I am not crazy!!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not she is saying "P-p-p-p-fuck her face" - from now on, I will hear that.
So, let us agree that she is saying that....
She is a more amazing singer than many people give her credit for - listen to this??? -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPAmDULCVrU
Wow. (and thanks for the face fucking)
hytone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:17:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poke her face, papa, poke her face.
buttertost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too have been single for a long time
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:48:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sixesand7s ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahaha
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always swore this from the first day I heard it and nobody ever listened to me. They called me crazy! Who's crazy now!
Thank you... brother.
Or sister.
awesome357 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've said that for years now. No one believed me. Recently she confirmed it though. Now everyone I talk to can hear it as well.
pogoyoyo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought it was "ma ma ma poker face, ma buttfucker face"
spidereater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why say that when poke her face is saying the same thing but is much sillier?
Dark_messengeR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carry my, carry my
TenaciousBe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She ABSOLUTELY says that and I can't believe it's still made it through to radio for this long.
SkyPork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a "clean" version where they fixed that. Plays on radio stations sometimes.
frappuccinio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i thought it was "Fuck her face" the first like ten times i heard it
mightandmagic88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always heard it as buttfuck her face.
Prison_Vape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always heard "butt fuck her face"
Way_To_Go_PAUL ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Butt fuck her face
Mr_Monster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poke her face.
WuTangBatman0615 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:49:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been arguing with my girlfriend about it for years. I've always thought she dropped some f bombs. I'm glad this chain of commented appeared to show my side some support.
Darxe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:29:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The song is literally about blowjobs so it makes sense
unit49311 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that Gwen Stefani sing where she says I screwed my uncle
idwthis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what?
What song are you talking about?
unit49311 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's spiderwebs by no doubt
idwthis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's singing "I screen my phone calls" not "i screwed my uncle"
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's 4 penises. You're out of line. But don't get behind me.
alwaysangel ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Celine Dion definitely sings the hotdogs go on too
UninvitedGhost ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, naw, naw, naw.
ThorGodOfKittens ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We used to say b-b-b-b-buttfucker face
jumanj5ever ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 03:18:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
P p p has a penis?
silly_vasily ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 00:30:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well simple plan wrote the song heart breaker so that they could say dick on the radio... When he says " heart breaker , I'm a dick, I'm a dick-tted (addicted) to you
Smoldero ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:34:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ohhh man thank you for reminding me how much I love the song Addicted by Simple Plan
silly_vasily ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:09:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No prob I myself ain't a fan at all but fun fact, some of the band members when to my highschool , few years before I went there.
SadGhoster87 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:04:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then Big Sean took the joke and made it really obvious in The Mighty Fall.
OreBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I first heard it I thought he was saying "I'm a dick, I'm a dick head to you".
silly_vasily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That also works
mudgetheotter ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:55:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a teenager, Extreme II: Pornograffiti had a song called "Get the Funk Out." They were totally dropping f-bombs.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:29:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dhporter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:59:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of white female celebrities are slang for cocaine.
Red_AtNight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd upgrade that from probably to definitely.
Michelle Pfeiffer played a coke addict in Scarface (it was actually her breakout role)
toxicgecko ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:44:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you seek amy- Britney spears
rahtin ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:26:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's blatant. Nothing hidden there.
Smoldero ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my favourite Fox News panel of all time
kingbad ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:31:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear that the chorus of the Doobie Brothers' "Black Water", which supposedly includes the line "honky-tonk all night long" sounds to me like "fuck you all night long".
Dabdahzoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that sticks in my head as a misheard lyric every time I hear this song from now on, thank you if it does!
flyingboat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:45:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with Lady Gaga's Poker Face.
She definitely says fu-fuck her face, several times in that song....
onyxandcake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:36:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On that note, there's no way Nikki Minaj isn't spelling "gang bang" in the song "Bang Bang."
shao_kahff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:49:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
let's not forget about that t-swift song where she says "long list of ex lovers**" and it really sounds like she's saying the word Starbucks. come on. she's saying Starbucks and her fan base has subconsciously bought in to it
Skylord_ah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long list of ex lovers*
shao_kahff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep that's it. they knew what they were doing ..
rathemighty ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:42:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to believe that Bruno Mars has gotten into at least one fight and told the other guy "I'm gonna Uptown FUNK you up!" or some variation
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:00:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought "them hood girls, them good girls, straight masterpieces" was "straight masturbators" until I heard some kids singing it.
_MNMs_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:10:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the same vein, I'm pretty sure the Gorillaz song Feel good Inc. has them saying "shut the shut the shut the fuck up" but most places I've seen just have it as "cha cha cha cha cha" or something like that.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:49:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of all the videos back in 2008-2009 YouTube when people would reverse a track (for example Led Zeppelin) and point out some satanic meaning (with words like DID YOU HEAR THAT) on the screen. And I actually believe that. I mean I believe that musicians secretly put hidden words/meanings to their songs, not that they're part of some satanic cult and brainwashing us.
anonymous_subroutine ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:20:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh hidden messages in reversed music has been a conspiracy theory since the late 60s. See: "Paul is dead".
threesifyouplease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:59 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Power of suggestibility. When you see on the screen what they're supposedly saying/they tell you what the message is, you subconsciously strain to hear that, because otherwise you'd just be hearing gibberish.
IsSuperGreen ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:46:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Daft Punks "lose yourself to dance" they're really saying "who just sucked the dicks".
LettuceWouldntFit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:03:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always heard "You just sucked a dick"
jckingo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:57:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar to ''we're up all night to get lucky'' totally sounding like ''we're all a Mexican donkey''
kokakokola ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:54:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where they go "we're up all night to get... we're up all night to get..." etc it totally sounds like "we're all part Mexican".
SadGhoster87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We rob a Mexican monkey
OreBear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:43:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man it's "Mexican monkey"
PsychedelicDoc ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:18:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was "Uptown, funky wunk."
bionix90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure in Mistress Mabel by The Fratellis the line "Tell me where all the days have gone, when you rocked my cradle" is actually "robbed my cradle" as I interpret the song as from the point of view of a guy who misses his nanny who statutory raped him.
itsbskully ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Samething with Drake - Know Yourself "I was running through the 6 with my woes You know how that should go" "I was running through the 6 with my woes You know how that shit go" Censorship game slick.
Grittsfeer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I played it at a gig once and the singer took the mic out to the crowd and had them repeat "uptown funk you up." One old lady misheard him (somehow) and said "uptown funky road" and we all lost it onstage.
tydalt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, Daltrey says "fuck" twice in "Who Are You" and Jagger says "You make a dead man cum" twice in "Start Me Up".
Probably common knowledge to fans of the respective bands, but it was fairly salacious for its time and gets common airplay on the regular OTA radio stations without censoring all the time.
northrupthebandgeek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:38:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, I can't unhear "Play that fuckin' music, white boy!".
UrMomLikesMine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:55:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jack Black's nickelodeon add from like 10+ years back, I swear to god he says "lick a titty." Hold on, I must find it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BS7WAK4QKoc
Yea. My memory was correct. Lick a titty
plainguy01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:40:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have always suspected Bruno Mars is secretly the bastard of one of the lesser talented Jackson brothers. Just something about him reminds me of the family.
Red_AtNight ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably because he's built his career by determining the exact mixture of Michael Jackson and Prince necessary for pop music success. If you listen to 24 Karat Magic it becomes pretty damn obvious who his influences are
plainguy01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is probably the most likely scenario. That or big music hunted down the bastard daughter of Tito or Jermaine from the Jackson 5's glory days and in a secret breeding plot mated her under the guise of a groupie with Prince. To produce the ultimate pop singer, and switched it with some poor couples real baby.
cfafish008 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:58:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every single damn time he says "and pour some liquor in it" I hear the N word, never fails.
quakank ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:45:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lyric "Make a dragon wanna retire man" sounds a hell of a lot like "make a dragonborn retire man". I think Bruno Mars is a closet nerd.
VdubGolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I thought it was Dragonball.
Maimster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:12:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, me and my wife crack up every time.
foxtosser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the N word?
DaTigerMan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:12:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
necromancy
foxtosser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah
foxtosser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah
yerlordnsaveyer ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 04:35:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol one has 7 syllables, the other has 2. I think you're hearing what you wanna hear.
AyukaVB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 'liquor', not the whole expression
yerlordnsaveyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw, my joke fell flat :(
DearStage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Weeknd also does this on the radio version of The Hills. It's crazy how much that dude gets away with on the radio.
ryanson209 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't Phunk With My Heart" is one I believe similarly to this
Red_AtNight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually a shitty radio edit of that song where the chorus line is "Don't mess with my heart." Heard it at the grocery store the other day
Samus_is_waifu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always heard "straight masturbating" instead of straight masterpieces.
mashbury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Fill my cup, put some n*gger in it"
Wiki_pedo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:39:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about Extreme's "Get The Funk Out"? No way they're saying "funk"!
Passwordis12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First thing that came to my mind.
greyjackal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Fried chicken."
You what what song I'm on about. And if you don't, get off my lawn.
ForfeitedPhalanges ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mรถtley Crรผe have a song "Too Fast or Love"
If you listen closely, especially to the background guys, they definitely slip in "Too fat for love", usually on the second time. Vince Neil also slips it in occasionally. I think you can catch it at the end.
I may be thinking of a demo version I heard where it's way more obvious but you can hear it in the album version, IMO. I do admit that I have audio processing issues so maybe it's just me.
Just_Todd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/IqP76XWHQI0
B_Z_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed this most likely a nod to Prince's 'Erotic City' which does the same thing lyrically.
And 'Uptown Funk' definitely has a Minneapolis NPG flavour....
Brunsy89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear the same thing happens in Blackwater by The Doobie Brothers:
"I wanna hear some 'funky' dixie land. Pretty mamma come and take me by the hand."
Kryptosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In lady gagas Poker face she sings
Pa pa pa poker face pa pa poke her face
dundundun
fa fa fa fuckerface fa fa fuck her face
mamamama
Here she is doing it live and you can hear it in the radio versions too.
Fagrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bit late here, but in The Pretty Reckless song 'Miss Nothing' there is a line that goes "I am misused, misconstrued"
From what I've heard Taylor Momsen actually sings "I am misused, misCUNTstrued" and yet nonradio shows seem to have picked up on this yet
Elenamandarina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simple plan wrote "I'm addicted to you" with the purpose of getting a swear word to air in MTV (I'm a DICK ted to you) xD
IrishRepoMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Play that fucking music, white boii.
Zerotan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uptown Funk is ripped off of Homestar Runner's Everybody to the Limit
Mashup
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear to God in Poker Face by Lady Gaga she is usually saying "fuck her face."
TouchedByAngelo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with Lady Gaga's "Poker Face". She clearly says "Fa Fa Fuck her face".
oligodendrocytes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, if you listen to pokerface by Lady Gaga, I swear to god she says "fuck her face" at least once
Edit: god damnit I need to scroll before I post
___LOOPDAED___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I swear they are saying "play that fuckin music white boy, play that fuckin music right." I have tried since 1993 to hear funky. I still can't. Was 8 at the time iirc.
NigNewton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keeps people from stealing too much hotel shampoo
stickfiguredrawings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In practical magic the kids chanting were supposed to be saying "witch witch you're a witch" but if you turn on subtitles you can see some say "witch witch you're a bitch"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm positive that in Nightwish's "Bye Bye Beautiful", Marco says "die, die" instead of "bye bye" at least once!
Mehgamehn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:33:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ariana Grande's "Focus" is just an excuse to say "Fuck, Fuck, Focus on me"
meateoryears ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:34:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. That may be the worst song of the decade.
doubleblax ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:04:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand Bruno Mars but you're looney tunes if you think that song is bad
meateoryears ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This hit, that ice cold Michelle Pfeiffer, that white gold This one for them hood girls Them good girls straight masterpieces Stylin', whilen, livin' it up in the city Got Chucks on with Saint Laurent Got kiss myself, I'm so pretty
I'm too hot (hot damn) Called a police and a fireman I'm too hot (hot damn) Make a dragon wanna retire man I'm too hot (hot damn) Say my name you know who I am I'm too hot (hot damn) Am I bad 'bout that money, break it down
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo) Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo) Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo) 'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you 'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you 'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you Saturday night and we in the spot Don't believe me just watch (come on)
Don't believe me just watch uh
Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Hey, hey, hey, oh
Stop, wait a minute Fill my cup, put some liquor in it Take a sip, sign a check Julio, get the stretch Ride to Harlem, Hollywood Jackson, Mississippi If we show up, we gon' show out Smoother than a fresh dry skippy
I'm too hot (hot damn) Called a police and a fireman I'm too hot (hot damn) Make a dragon wanna retire man I'm too hot (hot damn) Bitch say my name you know who I am I'm too hot (hot damn) Am I bad 'bout that money Break it down
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo) Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo) Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo) 'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you 'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you 'Cause uptown funk gon' give it to you Saturday night and we in the spot Don't believe me just watch (come on)
Don't believe me just watch uh
Don't believe me just watch uh Don't believe me just watch uh Don't believe me just watch Don't believe me just watch Hey, hey, hey, oh
Before we leave Lemmi tell y'all a lil' something Uptown funk you up Uptown funk you up Uptown funk you up Uptown funk you up uh I said uptown funk you up Uptown funk you up Uptown funk you up Uptown funk you up
Come on, dance, jump on it If you sexy then flaunt it If you freaky then own it Don't brag about it, come show me
Come on, dance Jump on it If you sexy then flaunt it Well it's Saturday night and we in the spot Don't believe me just watch come on!
Don't believe me just watch uh
Just the lyrics alone is about the dumbest thing I've ever read or heard. The music is just about the most cliche bullshit I've ever heard.
The fuck is good about it???
doubleblax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The MUSIC
meateoryears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What else do you like?
Zempheth ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real conspiracy is why is that song so popular when it sucks so much
Skylord_ah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a goddamn bop thats why
thepurplehedgehog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What has been heard cannot be unheard ๐ฑ
asgfgh2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:44:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/madlads
pittsburghposter ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:45:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same way in Third Eye Blind's Semi Charmed Life. "And then I bumped up"...doesn't sound like he is saying "bumped."
thecheat420 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:52:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is. In the context of the song it makes sense.
Legolihkan ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:20:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then i bumped again, and i bumped again. He's taking hits of meth
miklschmidt ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:00:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That song is full of bad language! I'm pretty sure they say "fill Mike up, put some n-word in it"..
beaverteeth92 ยท 4351 points ยท Posted at 18:23:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vladimir Putin planned the Moscow apartment bombings as an excuse to start the Second Chechen War, which facilitated his rise to power. I mean they found FSB people near buildings where actual bombs were found in bags, and they said it was a "training exercise."
Kevin_Uxbridge ยท 1803 points ยท Posted at 20:17:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this still a 'theory'? I honestly thought it was documented fact.
[deleted] ยท 1259 points ยท Posted at 21:35:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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km816 ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 23:17:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't really call that a conspiracy theory. KGB defectors have detailed some disinformation operations that included things like
spreading JFK assassination conspiracy theories
spreading MLK assassination conspiracy theories
spreading conspiracy theories that AIDS was made by the US government
spreading conspiracy theories that water fluoridation is used by the US government for population control
stoking racial tensions by sending false KKK mailers to black families
and so on. It's really not out of the realm of possibility that the FSB still does this, and if you spend even five minutes on looking at Russia Today or Sputnik News you'll see plenty more anti-US-government conspiracy theories.
(Wikipedia links: Active Measures, Mitrokhin Archive)
PM-ME-YOUR-BITCOINS ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 06:49:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This also explains why the usual conspiracy theory outlets are silent on Russian election meddling.
Vio_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've tried going pretty deep on this subject on reddit, but few people here really care about it.
powderizedbookworm ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the "HIV was a creation of the US government."
Bad-Badger ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:20:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didnt
grokforpay ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 23:58:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that I can believe.
Bound4MuMuLand ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:31:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except a lot of 9/11 conspiracy theorists use the Moscow Apartment Bombings as evidence of government up-to-no-good.
OJezu ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:22:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point, most people consider 9/11 conspiracy theorists nutjobs, so "Moscow Apartment Bombings was false flag" is discredited by association.
chasethatdragon ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why did so many beloved firefighters still to this day and on that day claim there were multiple bombs going off? Most "truthers" were actually at the event and the most effected by that date which is not the norm for most theories. They are just looking for justice for their brothers.
DrDaniels ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:12:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC the files related to the bombing are to be unsealed in 60 years.
TheGentlemanBeast ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:31:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me in 60 years
1b8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:48:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It shall be done.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:29:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. This is something that is probably just "known" in the upper echelon of the intelligence agencies of the US.
It will be released to the public in 50+ years or never.
DavidlikesPeace ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:17:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Arya Stark's death list, I look forward to the day when Vladimir Putin is dead.
That man's been responsible for enough death to fill a lake. He's as dangerous as ISIS, far more manipulative and charismatic, and currently seems to still be winning. There are many times when I'm sad the older die first. I respect so many of them. But there are other times when I'm glad mortality exists. There is some justice after all.
Putin's made me rethink my reddit username.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:45:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the worst of all is how he's screwing Russians over and making them love him for it. I can sort of understand someone fucking over other countries to benefit his own, but here it's clearly not the case.
On the other hand I'm not sure his death would be that helpful. They probably have some muppets being groomed to replace him when he dies.
BambooSound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isis are no where near as dangerous as Putin.
austinbdude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/k4voxw0Twv8
MordorsFinest ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 22:26:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Do you think the Chechens are above this sort of thing?
ColdNotion ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 23:05:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the explosive used was pretty much only obtainable through a government run munitions factory (which I believe the FSB guarded), and two FSB agents were caught planting that explosive in another apartment. While the Purim administration claimed the agents were interrupted doing a training exercise, it's pretty damn suspect. Add to that, the Chechens really didn't have anything to gain by blowing up apartment buildings. They had already won autonomy during the first Chechen war, and only would have stood to lose that control by sparking a second war with Russia.
MordorsFinest ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 06:19:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I suppose the Russians gassed their own people in the opera house thing, or killed their own kids in Beslan.
People with an Islam fetish love excusing jihadists. Chechens are more animal than human. Don't see why russia would need an excuse to intervene in Chechnya, they are currently genociding the gays and Putin is leaving them alone because westerners like you wont let him wipe them out
ColdNotion ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 07:22:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, a few things. First off, I don't think the Russian government was responsible for either of those attacks. To be honest, I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm particularly biased against Russia, and I would prefer if our debate could stay related to the topic, and not sink into anger. The same for that matter goes for the "Islam fetish" comment, which not only doesn't describe me, but feels a little prejudiced against Muslims.
Back to the bombings, it really is looking into the case a little bit. I'll say that I'm not 100% committed to the idea that the FSB orchestrated the attacks, but some of what happens puts them in a very suspicious light. Equally, I will concede that there is some evidence the bombing could have been terrorist attacks, as had been described. The point here is, the unusual lack of clarity around the incidents is striking, and no one narrative seems to provide an airtight answer for what happened. Does this mean there was a conspiracy? Not necessarily. However, it's worth considering, if only to disprove that such an event took place.
So, a few other things. I know there's a tense relationship between Russia and Chechnya, for good reason. I'm guessing some of that tension translates to anger on your part, which is understandable. However, advocating for any group of people to be "wiped out" is not ok. Genocide is never an acceptable proposition. Additionally, I agree that the treatment of the LGBTQ community in Chechnya is atrocious. However, I strongly disagree that this is because the west is preventing intervention. To the contrary, the fact that a blind eye is being turned towards these crimes likely has more to do with the Russian government's overall crackdown on gay rights, with laws getting more regressive every year. Additionally, Chechnya is part of Russia, and subject to Russian law, not the whims of western nations. If Putin wanted to push to protect LGBT citizens in Chechnya, or anywhere else in Russia for that matter, he could make an effort to. He hasn't.
SimbaOnSteroids ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:20:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that the Russian government has specifically stated they gassed the opera house. It was a carfentanil aerosol which is essentially super-fentanyl, which in turn is super-heroin.
MordorsFinest ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 07:40:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Muslims want genocide for all non-Muslims, its the objective of their religion.
the Chechens have had an ongoing insurgency against Russia on a purely religious basis for generations. The place was an Ottoman fief of sorts taken in the 18th century. Sure they might have had a solid basis once.
But if you look at their culture, even for a Muslim society, it is extremely violent, ethnocentric, and unmanageable. They have committed many brutal terrorist attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege
They killed over 300 people at a school in 2004, this is well after the last Chechen war and the autonomy they got. The whole western world condemned the Russians when Chechens launched one of the only wars fought during the de-Sovietisation of Communist states. The Russians one and gave autonomy, and now they're using the autonomy to wipe out their gay population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
killed over 100 people and injured 10000 when they took over a theatre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Moscow_Metro_bombings
40 on the Moscow metro.
BTW the Apartment bombings weren't what justified the invasion of Chechnya, it was the Chechen invasion of Russian controlled Dagestan, which is a similar Islamist dominated region.
The Russians did the right thing, the Chechen 'Ickeria' was similar to ISIS, between 1991-1999 they had de-facto independence and committed ethnic cleansing against non-Muslims from day 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen%E2%80%93Russian_conflict#Ethnic_clashes_.281958-65.29
The last people anyone should be defending are Muslims, and Chechens are among the most violent.
vanillle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:44:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wikipedia is your source? Are you kidding me?
MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giving you their footnotes, or the media news articles, documenting very visible world events would take time.
You're the one suggesting the Chechens don't do terrorism and its really the Russian government. If you look at Chechen history, or the history of Muslim societies generally, coexistence is not possible with them outside of major conurbations.
JacP123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:02:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fucking daft? He never once said Chechnyans never committed terrorist attacks. They have killed thousands. What he said was that there are circumstances around the Moscow apartment bombings that look suspicious. That's it. He never said he believed they didn't, he said he wasn't committed to the idea. Stop putting words in his mouth and start reading the fucking shit he did say. Or better yet, just piss off, you're not adding to the conversation, you're wasting everyone's valuable fucking time by not being able to read black on fucking white words and compre-fucking-hending the meaning behind them. Do us all a goddamn favour and make like a tree and fuck off.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The motives weren't there, the opportunity wasn't there, and the payoff was what? More war?
Hide your head in the sand about it if you want, but it's pretty clear Putin had it done.
You can take the candidate for Russian president out of the KGB, but you can't take the KGB out of the Russian president.
MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet you have no evidence, which is the crucial element
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And somehow your evidence leads to Chechens. Who happen to be FSB guys planting FSB bombs with FSB explosives from a FSB facility, in FSB controlled and patrolled Russia apartment buildings named ahead of time by FSB leaders.
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Bad-Badger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look guys! Its a real life straw man argument being used in the wild!
powderizedbookworm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is saying that Chechen terrorists aren't real, dangerous, cruel, or capable of destruction.
Jeimsie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much how russia came into Finland's soil
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila?wprov=sfla1
Dont make assumptions what a nation can and can not do
MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was under Stalin in the 1930s
1991 live broadcast television exists
jrsc5ve ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 02:51:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe people are this oblivious.
IanPhlegming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shit. Gotta wonder if the guy who wrote it is really that oblivious, though.
Read stuff like that, and then all the down votes for your reply, and I wonder if it's time to throw in the towel on the country. The only people who say they still buy whole-hog into the Govt. story on what happened on 9/11 are stupid, brainwashed or lying. So fucking distressing.
shea_the_great ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 04:04:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude i know... could barely believe i read this. the level of brainwash is simply mind boggling. this right here is an example of the awesome power of the deep state propaganda machine. it's so shitty to realize people willingly give up all free thought to the psychopathic warmongering corporate/government masters
now watch the downvotes lol
Time4Red ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:48:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAE think the deep state is controlling our minds?!?!
Better the CIA propaganda than FSB propaganda. Russia is a proto-fascist state. Their government is not worth defending.
TheRealJoelsky ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:27:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Hitler burned the Reichstag to give himself more power, no way he's the only one who's pulled this shit.
mrrrrnicehigh420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how people can always believe other governments are corrupt but THEIR government is just beyond that. Fascinating logic by these people. It only happens "to them" and "over there" the US government is immune to corruption I guess. Lmao
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:03:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rlbond86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gulf of Tonkin was pretty conclusively shown to be confusion, but obviously that other stuff is real
typzone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mass surveillance cause with privacy totally eliminated, restistance like we had in WWII won't be possible. The government will have full control cause knowledge is power.
KeepItLevon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:27:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one in these comments suggested the US government isn't corrupted. Who are "these people" you refer to?
Skrillerman ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 08:35:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well because they are sure putin did this but won't admit that 9/11 was obviously executed / permitted by the US government to have a reason to start the illegal war in Iraq .
It's sad to see that people still belive in the official 9/11 report to this day .
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Zero" Evidence.
Sure thats why 70% of the US citizen don't believe in the official report because it's so flawed and left many important information
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to read it . There are tons of summaries of it that's why experts criticise it so much because tons of stuff is missing and not mentioned
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you haven't read it, either.
Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but you did , huh ???
Don't need to read it if other people did it and tell us what's wrong and bad about it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know how I know you're an anti-intellectual?
Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you are one and try to find similar traits in me that match with yours ?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I compare myself by contrast๐
Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the fuck is this logic
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should I read it if there are legit summaries written by officials out there ?
I don't need to know the exact time person x smashed on the ground and got his brain splattered all over the asphalt.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really think bush gives a fuck about his own people . Don't be naive . Someone ruining the economy, fucking up hundred thousands of people , making the US the country with the highest debt that will slowly consume them , killing 500.000 innocent people directly in a war based on nothing , doesn't give a fuck about 4000 people . 4000 is nothing .
And by the way you can still be up to date about a topic without reading the entire official document. Thousands of professors and other dudes did it and told us what is written .
And going with your logic . Don't tell me you are a person who believes that putin ordered to kill some people who might be a treat to him . Because you are not allowed to say that before reading every report on that case . The official reports from Russia site . Because thinking putin kills his opponents while having over 70% of approval seems kinda retarded and groundless, am I right ? :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also make a deep analysis about Adolf Hitler . He wasn't a totally bad guy like they want us to tell , right ?
He maybe kinda got emotional with the Jews BUT he helped his country to grow economically and developed the infrastructure and actually made the country respectable again .
There isn't much to discuss about bush . There is a reason why he is one of the worst president in the history of all presidents . Entire debt under obama are a result from the bush politics .
And as I said . I don't think that Bush actually ordered an attack . But he knew something was gonna happen and did as less as possible to make it happen . It is possible to hide . Right now some documents revealed that the CIA , FBI or NSA hid information about the Kennedy assassination. Mayor information about the assasins actually . And look how old that shit it .
And there are enough evidence about 9/11 to make it obvious that there is something wrong about the real story . Jesus Christ Bush was far worse than putin and still every shit about putin is automatically true . Russia in an enemy of the US , why do you think THEIR reports say putin killed x person .
It's actually kinda funny that it's always the CIA , NSA investigating about Russia related stuff instead of NATO offices or European, unbiased , groups .
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Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should have put /s behind the Hitler argument. It was to show you that even though one person did some good thinks he can still be evil and shady af .
Um , you can even read on Wikipedia that it was bush who ruined the economy with his intense military spendings , Iraq war and the financial crisis starting at 2007 ( he took a big part on it )
I don't praise putin I just don't like your way of desperately defending George Bush . He is one of the worst person existing right now and you try really hard to put putin next to bush . That is insane and delusional. Sounds like the shit you hear from propaganda movies as in American Sniper or London has Fallen . Pure blind hatred .
20 Trillion $ is worrysome are you actually kidding ? They raise the bar higher and higher every year . Do you know what will happen when the bar can't be set any higher ?
Pure chaos . No one is getting paid ,important infrastructure will be closed and shut down for some time and lots of Americans are gonna lose everything if they got debt at the bank ( like in 2008 but bigger )
I really hope this conversation takes and end . I'm sorry for the average US citizen who has to suffer from their incompetent government. It's just a question of time and the entire system collapses like a house of cards .
KeepItLevon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:48:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? My question was WHO are these people? listen when other people speak and please don't just say what you already planned to say.
The US let 911 happen? Do you know how many people would have to be in on that conspiracy to keep it quiet and remain quiet? There are thousands of people working in intelligence.
I believe there was probably Incompetence but the idea that George Bush wanted a plane to hit a building in NYC is completely implausible and without evidence.
Putin's own security team was caught planting actual bombs in an apartment building man. Now that is evidence.
A building falling down strangely or government incompetence is not evidence of a conspiracy.
Skrillerman ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
funny . In the beginning everyone said that it is a conspiracy that putin ordered the bombing , without any facts . And know it's a fool proven FACT that his team did it .
And you except it like it is but don't take the evidence around 9/11 as truth because they are only from conspiracy theorists ???
Russian government is lying but the US government said the total truth about 9/11 . Come on .
There were tons of people who did profit from the Iraq war . Even Wikipedia says that after the Iraq war 28 billion $ went missing from the Treasury and into the pockets of high Politicans and officials ( yes , George Bush is also a candidate for this ) .
And not everyone is a secret agency has information about anything . Everyone knows only a small piece , only the top chefs in the headquarters know about everything. Some time ago they even found out that the CIA , NSA ( or other two big agencies ) tried to hide information about the Kennedy assassination. And look how much time has passed since the attack . They are good in hiding things
erttertwtt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think the Treasury and Bush planned 9/11?
hawktron ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:39:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the evidence for that though? We have evidence and credible insider witnesses of KGB involvement. When a former Bush Whitehouse employee or CIA or whoever you think was involved comes out claiming it and they have the credentials to back it up then people will listen, atm all we have is a bunch of arm chair experts making silly arguments based on unreliable evidence.
And before you mention engineer groups, just because they don't think the official report of the collapse is right it doesn't mean they believe it was an inside job.
Skrillerman ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:36:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Entire 9/11 is a big pile of shit .
I am not gonna link you all the hundreds reports from experts to that topic .
If you just look at the official report and than compare it to reality you will , as a healthy human being , don't believe it .
They didn't even MENTION some heavy adpe of it . They didn't mention WTC 9 IN THE official report . Come one man .
I don't think that Bush ordered that attack , I'm not dumb . But je definitely knew something big was happen on US soil and let it happen .
The entre Iraq war is one of the dirtiest things ever . It's on a level with the holocaust. Every government on earth , US secret service's AND even US politicians said that the IRAQ WAR was based on absolutely nothing and a war against international law.
9/11 was bush's desperate justification for the war . Even now 70% of the US citizen don't believe in the official report about 9/11 .
The war killed 2 million innocent people . Children , women and young man . Do you really think he gives a fuck about 4000 US citizen? He ruined the economy completely. Hundred thousands of Americans lost EVERYTHING.
Reddit is so hardcore pro America it's insane
KeepItLevon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:41:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because someone is skeptical about a claim that the US let 911 happen doesn't make them hardcore pro America. You should be more skeptical and less "sure".
Skrillerman ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And someone who is sceptical about the stuff a government says, that got convicted of lying and starting groundless wars , doesn't make him a conspiracy theorist
KeepItLevon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:56:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of things you just said are evidence for a conspiracy to allow a plane to hit the WTC. Even if Bush had evidence that some attack was coming and chose not to act, is still NOT a conspiracy. That's just being a crappy president. Or maybe the intelligence officials didn't have enough information to act. How would they know exactly what plane on what day at what time the attack would happen? Intelligence gets bad information all the time.
But again. Just being an idiot doesn't make you the same as a foreign dictator for example.... Who has people murdered for not agreeing with them.
Intentions are very important.
I refuse to believe George Bush is evil. Stupid? Yes. But not devoid of morals.
Please link your sources to actual evidence. Please.
Skrillerman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:11:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bush is greedy , incompetent, anti patriotic and stupid .
War is in my eyes the worst thing ..I totally hate it and don't support it in any ways . Bush started an illegal war put of profit without having ANY evidence about weapons in Iraq . EVEN his own agencies told him that . He Lied 585 times about it on camera.
His war costed the live of 2 million people . He killed his own soldiers , killed the US economy, forced his allies to join his illegal war and killed INNOCENT PEOPLE. And today we have terrorist groups that were able to form in this destroyed country .
How is this man not evil ? He is dead evil . He is a disgusting piece of human garbage. He didn't kill his own people but innocent people on the other site of globe . Families with kids died user the bombardments. And in your eyes that is not evil ? I'm sorry but that is just inhuman of you .
hawktron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:07:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said just because the report may have been flawed or incomplete doesn't make the Bush government responsible.
Well I'm British but I guess jumping to conclusions without evidence is the root cause with 9/11 conspiracy theorist ;)
Skrillerman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:11:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well some people just can't 1+1 .
Why should they not include IMPORTANT parts in the report . And bitch please George W. Bush is one of the dumbest and shadiest man out there . You instantly believe putin was behind that one but don't question 9/11 . That is just very naive and weak .
Hundred of millions of American (.including experts and high ranked officials ) doubt the official statement about 9/11. But YOU are so smart and right . Of course my friend :) Whatever floats your boat
hawktron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're making WTC7 more important than it is because it feeds the conspiracy theories.
If there wasn't conspiracy theory about the attacks then WTC7 was just a building that received heavy damage and long burning fires that ultimately collapsed, there is nothing important or special about that.
You're basically making a big fuss over some secondary event and using the original lack of interest as evidence for a greater conspiracy.
Can't you see the flaw in that?
Skrillerman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it just shows that the government didn't want to FULLY investigate that event . It's the biggest terror attack on US soil EVER . EVEEEERRRR. And we all know how easily triggered Americans are when it's about their home country .
And then they do such a bad job around that big event ? Even smaller events as the Boston bombing received more attention than 9/11.
And as I said , I do think that the buildings collapsed simply because two huge planes hit them . But they way this ALL happened is more than questionable.
See it like this : Bush lied 585 times on camera about Iraq . He failed his job and lied UNDER oath for 585 times . Every secret agency admitted that they all lied and nothing of that is true .
And now you want me to tell me that the man , who lied 585 times about Iraq didn't say ANY!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE LIE about 9/11 ??? Come on man , nobody can be this simple minded and naive . You sound like the governments wet dream
hawktron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:48:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Provide me with evidence and I'll believe you, there was a brief period after I watched zeitgeist that I believed it too, so I know what its like to be on your side. I just came to the realisation that I should be just as skeptical about their evidence as they wanted us to be skeptical of the government, if that makes me simple minded and naive then so be it.
The fact is if there was evidence you would show me it rather than just giving me your opinions like "Bush lies" and they did a "bad job".
Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I started to question out biggest newspaper here in Germany . Over the time it went full pro America and jumped on the anti Russia train . They did a really bad job during the obama period .
And that is like 8 years ago . AND I've read so much things about capitalism, the system and the US that I'm ALWAYS sceptical about everything right now . Once you understood how the system works ypu question everything that is happening. Don't jump blind on any hate train , make your own view .
There isn't much where I say this and that happened. But I'm 100% that 9/11 didn't happened as they told us . There are just too many factors that don't work out together. One of those is George W . Bush . If it was Clinton or obama in office than it would be a totally different story . But that man is so shady you can't imagine .
Just read everything about Iraq , George W Bush, 9/11 , the weapon industry, refugee crisis , founded terrorists groups that it all undoubtedly is connected together
hawktron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read a lot about it and the Middle East in general I just think the world is far more complicated than people like to or even are capable of imagining. People like simple answers so saying Bush was a bad guy or capitalism is evil is just an easy way out.
There is no doubt the invasion of Iraq was clearly initiated by flawed governments but that doesn't mean they were complicit in 9/11. 9/11 wasn't a random event, Al-Qaeda bombed the towers a decade earlier and had been attacking US embassy and military targets for years and plane hijackings were common place in the decades leading to it.
It's much more likely they exploited it as an excuse rather then initiated it or let it happen. Let's not forget the initial war was with Afghanistan.
If they just wanted to invade Iraq there was much easier ways than carrying out the biggest terrorist attack in the world then blaming people who had nothing to do with Iraq.
Let's not forget the biggest argument and the focus of their UN presentations was WMDs not 9/11.
Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it complicated as hell .
Even now in Syria you can't say who is the bad or good guy because there are like 5 big fractions fighting each other .
I saw the presentation about the WMD and it was sickening . All the garbage they told us , presenting absolutely nothing and trying so hard so force the war .
That's the thing .Bush needed the approval of the population. And 9/11 was just a TOO PERFECT TIMING . Even after 9/11 people all around the world were super sceptical about the Iraq war . Nobody supported it here in Europe. He even called us cowards and traitors to not join the war .
And now imagine if 9/11 never happened. He would have less then 0 reasons to start the war . Even with 9/11 it was a very vague thing to do .
And also the war proved that he gives a shit about human lifes. 4000 Americans are a good deal . Compared to the 500.000 people DIRECTLY murdered and the other 1.500.000 that very killed and died over time because of it , it'd absolutely nothing
hawktron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you see where I'm coming from? They exploited 9/11 for Iraq unquestionably but even still their focus was on WMDs because they knew the link to 9/11 was weak. So the idea they let or committed 9/11 for a justification for the Iraq was is completely illogical.
KeepItLevon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government not wanting to investigate the event and George Bush lying to Cover his ass are not evidence for a MAJOR CONSPIRACY TO ALLOW A PLANE TO HIT A BUILDING IN NYC!
I used capital letters to help you hear better.
Unless you have actual physical evidence or witnesses to a crime then you can't go around saying it's OBVIOUSLY true because you don't like the guy who may have been involved. That's not how language or logic or reality work.
Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George W. Bush is a criminal. .He is just immune because being an ex president didn't you know that ?
He broke international law . Human rights , US laws . Killed his own soldiers in his interests , killed innocent people AND ruined the US economy.
In other countries he would be in den Haag but the US doesn't support den Haag . People like him normally get the death sentence . You can't argue about that because THOSE are facts .
And than EVERYTHING he said about 9/11 is true ? Unlikely
11-22-1963 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:53:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Lots of US-centric horseshit in this thread.
OreBear ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:27:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
>go on American website and complain that users primarily post from an American perspective
>?????
>Profit
MrNudeGuy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:34:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chaos is a ladder.
Kradget ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:50:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I thought there were some reporters who shot themselves in the back of the head and dumped their bodies in the river after ID'ing two government agents who were at those apartments.
Vio_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:34:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very well documented, but the Russians swoop in and start saying it's not here. Unfortunately, most redditers don't know this piece of history, so they get wrapped up in all of the "wasn't him" posts.
bowsmountainer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:33:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A "theory" is basically equivalent to a "documented fact". It is a shame that they are conspiracy theories, when they aren't theories at all. A better phrase would be "conspiracy hypothesis".
Go0s3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:23:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link the "documented facts" please
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just like 9/11 right?
ThisIsMyWorkAccountt ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 01:01:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chaos is a ladder
Lintobean ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:37:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/614/the-other-mr-president
Saxopwned ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:51:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they do a "This American Life" episode on this?? I was enraptured, and I'm for it. Way too many coincidences
scrignutz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:37:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worked in "international desk" news at the time, and agree completely. I had bureau chiefs and wire service reporters flat out tell me they believed this to be the case, and that they were under pressure to not go there. This was Putin's power play, at the end of 1999, and it was very effective even as the economic/social elite believed the bombings to be staged and/or committed by assets of the FSB.
kat_without_a_hat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:00:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An episode of This American Life ("The Other Mr. President," 04/14/2017) was recently dedicated to this very thing, and I was pretty convinced of it by the end.
GrandTyromancer ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:24:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In case folks haven't read it already: None Dare Call it a Conspiracy
Physical_removal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:40:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a good book by that name
ImperatorXIII ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:04:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recommend checking out the Russia House Podcast. They talk about shit that happens in and out of Russia or that is connected to Russia. They talk about this incident particularly in episode 4.
Kilo914 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:03:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False flag attacks aren't that surprising to hear about. It's really fucked
FalcoLX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
98% of the time false flag accusations are just right wing propaganda. This is an exception.
goodoverlord ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:18:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While this whole story with FSB in Ryazan is suspicious, there are some contradictions. First of all, Islamic terrorists invaded Dagestan in August, whole month before the bombings, and that was more than enough for the casus belli. Next, according to this conspiracy FSB used hexogen for bombs with a detonator made from a cartrige for a hunting rifle. Which is not enough to detonate that kind of explosives. Furthermore, "FSB people" were caught by the residents of the building in 9pm. The time when there are a lot of people are returning from their work. And the person who financed whole this theory (investigations, books, stories in massmedia) was Berezovsky, the oligarch who made his fortune on the Chechen war, who financed Chechen terrorists.
Rapsberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:16:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember that it wasn't just about Putin's rise to power. It was also used as a casus belli (i.e. pretext) to start the second Chechen war, which resulted in the collapse of the breakaway Islamist republic in Chechnya, which, in turn, solidified Putin's rule even further
Shin280891 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:32:51 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaaah, it hurts to me as a Russian. Who am I supposed to vote for next year other than Vovka? xD
CoolbreezeFromSteam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much nearly every ruler ever has fabricated a cause for war. It's history just repeating itself, whether its a claim for land or something else
borumlive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lotso' training exercises every time there's a really serious bombing or attack. Interesting even if they're mostly authentic.
Sometimes i wonder if the so-believed false flag attacks in US history are believed so, because of incompetent/inaccurate reporting, conflicting accounts from unreliable eye witnesses, and coincidence that so many drills take place so often, an attack happens at the same time a drill is taking place somewhere all the time.
Then I pull my head out of my ass and realize they're less coincidences and more "plausible deniability" measures
JFMX1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putin brought his country from shit to one of the most powerful in the world. With all the sanctions and world against them, a pretty good feat.
Just imagine in 20 more years.
Benkei-sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia bombing their own people? Must be fact. 9/11 neah.
Skrillerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be ironic of you were one of those people who still believes in the official 9/11 report :D
So many people still think the shit happened like the US government told them even though so many things got debunked long time ago
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Stuff_is_not_right ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:47:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean drink tea that causes you to fall out of a poisoned window?
guter567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? Everyone knows Putin is the duly elected representative of Russia/s
speak2easy ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 00:21:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting that this can be believed yet the US government involvement with 9/11 isn't as much.
11-22-1963 ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 01:55:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Americans are propagandized to believe that only "dem foreign countries" have governments conniving enough plan a false flag event.
Centurion87 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:49:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it might have something to do with an FSB agent being caught red handed planting bombs at an apartment complex at the same time as all this was going on. Something that didn't happen on 9/11.
11-22-1963 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:14:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never happened.
Plenty of eyewitness evidence before 9/11 and on the day itself on indications of explosives.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:17:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kernevez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair when you say it like that, I don't think it sounds particulary impossible.
I think the fact that absolutely nothing leaked is a bigger proof that there was no conspiracy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:42:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kernevez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wait, I actually misread that part as I didn't know there was a conspiracy about that.
I guess that explains the jet fuel meme.
shea_the_great ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 04:11:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
came here to write exactly that but you beat me to it. there's brainwashed zombies and then there's this, I don't even know what this is
11-22-1963 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 01:52:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regime change oriental horseshit. And of course the replies allege that 9/11 (far more likely to be planned and executed by the US ruling class) theories are also propagated by Russia. "US can do no wrong, only enemies of the US State Department plot coup d'etats, bomb innocent people, fund violent militias and plan false flag events!"
harlequinix ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:20:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it took me longer than I expected to chance upon the Russia fear-mongering, but there it was. The CIA is the closest thing to the devil incarnate (as their own declassified documents show, so not something Russia could have planted) and most would still rather believe a foreign country is responsible instead of facing the truth: the US government does some preeeetty fucked up shit.
2015_BCS_ORANGE_BOWL ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:10:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a really bizarre comment. The statement was that Russia probably committed a false flag terrorist attack. Why would you then try to defend it by bringing up US foreign policy? That's pretty extreme whataboutism. Nobody is talking about the USA.
You also didn't give any evidence for your opinion. You just whined about how russia can't do anything bad, because america also does bad things.
11-22-1963 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:24 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're exactly right. And you're downvoted for speaking the truth. That just shows how deeply propagandized the people in the West (US, Canada, UK etc) are.
ShinyNipples ยท 3904 points ยท Posted at 21:14:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All these home ancestry DNA tests that popped up out of nowhere have me suspicious.
edit: 2 words
2nd edit: Sorry, I should actually state my theory. I feel like these suddenly became popular as a way to collect a massive database of DNA. I really wanted to do one of these tests, but the fact that your dna data is only kept online, you're not given the data as physical media, doesn't sit right with me. We already have the NSA collecting photos, etc.
PragmaticMoth ยท 2114 points ยท Posted at 22:06:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I'm not going to dismiss the creepy aspects that having people's DNA in databases entails, it's mostly because DNA sequencing technology has gone leaps and bounds the past decade thanks to next gen sequencing, it became a fraction of the price and takes a fraction of the time and someone said, "Hey, we can so market this."
Undergrad bio majors often do their own DNA tests in class, it's that easy.
Edit: this comment actually makes me think of one of the Artemis Fowl books... (Villian replaces herself in prison with a clone because they use DNA as ID in that world).
hectorabaya ยท 264 points ยท Posted at 02:38:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some evidence to back this up is the popularity of canine DNA tests so you can learn what your shelter mutt supposedly is. They gained popularity at about the same time and for about the same reasons: because they're fun and were suddenly affordable. They're not even nearly as reliable as human DNA tests because there hasn't really been as much research into canine DNA, but people like being able to say that their Heinz 57 is actually 1/16ths Viszla or whatever other exotic breed comes up.
There are definitely ethical issues with human DNA databases that I think we're just beginning to explore, but I don't really see a need for a conspiracy theory here. People just like DNA testing and technology advanced to the point that it became affordable and easy, so companies stepped in to make money off of that.
PragmaticMoth ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:50:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canine sequencing has been taking off recently, especially ancient canine DNA. I only know because someone in my old department is one of the big names in it now (though he bitches that he doesn't like dogs and is more of a cat person). The anthropology people are really interested in the genetics of dogs right now, and finding out their origins of domestication because of the implications that could have on human civilization and help fill in some puzzle pieces, so there's a lot of collaboration and grant money being poured into it.
Edit: I never paid much attention to his presentations, he wasn't non-evolutionary-biologist-friendly when it came to jargon (I be dumb ecologist) but the jist I got was there's a lot of support for multiple domestication events in Europe, Asia and possibly North America separately - but don't quote me on that, plus there's a new paper out every week about dogs.
hectorabaya ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's really interesting to know! I have noticed that there has seemed to be a lot of new information about early canine domestication/evolution/whatever coming out recently, but I'm definitely a layman there and wasn't sure if I was maybe just more aware of it for some reason. I find it absolutely fascinating. I'm a K9 handler and also keep a lot of other domesticated animals ranging from cats to chickens to various hoofed mammals, and I really think the relationship we have with dogs is unique. Though I guess you could say that about our relationship with any domesticated species since they all fill different niches...maybe I should just say that I'm definitely a dog person. ;)
PragmaticMoth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:29:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dogs are way more fun to cuddle with. The beauty of artificial selection / selective breeding is it basically puts evolution into hyperdrive, in only a thousand years you can see dramatic trait divergence you'd expect over millions in a natural population. It makes finding landmarks in our own history easier, especially as our desired traits and uses for them changed. It's all incredibly interesting, I just have no natural instincts/talent for that type of research so I don't know much detail. The book "Domesticated" is a great read though.
hectorabaya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow I'd never heard of that one, but I just downloaded it. Thank you for the recommendation.
It is so fascinating to see how our domesticated animals reflect our values. I definitely don't have the education you do, but I see it even in our modern dog breeds. I have German Shepherd dogs and absolutely love them, but it's fascinating (and occasionally horrifying) to see how the breed has evolved. It's even such a new breed, barely a century old. My dogs are from a particular set of working lines known for being lean and more upright. They're not terribly common in my part of the world, and everyone thinks they're mixed breed. And I can get why...they do look like a different breed than the show/pet lines most people are used to. GSDs are probably an extreme example as they're both so new as a breed and also branched off so quickly into show/pet lines and various working lines (further exacerbated by the division of Germany following WW2...there are distinct and obvious differences between East German and West German lines dating back to that time period). It's just crazy how much we can influence the evolution of a species at all, much less in such a short time period.
PragmaticMoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no shortage of extreme examples with dogs, that's for sure! Working dogs at least haven't had to experience what the toy breeds do as much, with missing teeth and deformed skulls. I'm always surprised when I can recognize different lines in the same breed - labradors for example since they're so popular as pets, and then you run into a breeder that has a hunting line that are these lean, thick furred athletes that look nothing like my beached walrus of a dog. Plus just about every mutt has lab in them. I used to work with my aunt's Border Collies, she was always trying to give me a free puppy because they were a little...too related to each other.
blurryfacedfugue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recall reading somewhere that the reason dogs have such a high variability has something to do with how their DNA is more susceptible to mutations, or something like that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have always been a dog person and have owned dogs for years. One of my sisters hates dogs, loves cats. I don't like cats.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the canine DNA testing is pretty neat. It lets you know what breeds your dog is mixed with and it can prove what your puppy is if you bought it from a questionable breeder.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:41:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Feelinggood11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a good dog :)
hectorabaya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may legitimately be one of the cutest dogs I've ever seen. I'm a sucker for goofy facial expressions. And yeah, those breeds sound pretty accurate!
I think the issue is that only certain breeds have really been sequenced, so if your dog happens to be those breeds, then it'll be pretty accurate, but if your dog isn't, then you're out of luck. I know they used to be really bad. I got a few of them for free for a promotional thing and used one on my purebred GSD (who I am 100% is purebred as the breeder is well-respected and known for producing really consistent dogs) and it came up with a bunch of weird breeds, and only like 40% GSD. But that was probably 10 years ago now, so I'm sure they've also improved a lot since then!
It was still pretty fun to do, even with the inaccurate results. I enjoyed the results I got on my mixed-breed rescues.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:42:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 63 years old and just had mine done last year. My parents and grandparents never discussed our ancestry and I always wanted to know. When I asked my mother about it she said that she was always told that discussing things like that wasn't appropriate. It was like talking about someone behind their back. So stupid.
I'm glad I had my DNA tested. I was able to do a family tree and dated my ancestors way way back. It was fun.
idwthis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:59:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heinz 57! I thought I was the only person left alive who uses that to describe mutts!
I'm probably overly excited about that, but I love finding people who use the same obscure terms I do.
hectorabaya ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I'm glad someone else knows it! I guess I'm dating myself as I remember when it was a pretty common term but now a lot of times people look at me like I've got two heads when I use it. I'll never stop, though.
zonumnire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:23:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad uses it! I never heard anyone else say it.
idwthis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First roommate I had called his dog a Heinz 57. Blaze was a mix of Doberman and German Shepard and god knows what else, but he was the best dog ever :)
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:46:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Cartervixx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get your mother to do the ancestry dna test. She's probably a heinz 57 too.
Dragneel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's... kinda insulting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dragneel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm mixed, so I do as well.
ledmonk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like those DNA council guys got to you too. Lenny!
cambo666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be so sure... I believe law enforcement agencies can issue a warrant for your DNA from one of these services if you're a suspect. I don't like that, personally, and that is the single thing stopping me from getting the test done, which I would love to do honestly.
Not that I anticipate I'll be murdering anyone or be a suspect in a crime.
hectorabaya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the ethical issues I was talking about. That doesn't mean they were created as a conspiracy to assist the government/law enforcement, though, just police taking advantage of the information people put out there. You know, just like cell phones weren't created in order for police to track your movements, but police still frequently get warrants for cell phone usage to prove someone was in the area a crime was committed (which actually has a huge amount of problems in itself as that data is pretty unreliable, but that's a different conversation).
And while it's theoretically possible for them to get a warrant for DNA for one of those databases, it's pretty rare (which again points against the conspiracy angle). There was one case I find pretty concerning, where the investigators submitted DNA from a crime scene to Ancestry. Ancestry informed them that it was a potential match, and they got a warrant to get the results. The guy was later ruled out using the more comprehensive methods used in criminal cases. There have been other attempts to get a warrant, but they've mostly been unsuccessful AFAIK. Generally if you have specific enough information to obtain a warrant for DNA (which is a pretty high bar), you can just get a warrant to collect it directly from the suspect.
So basically, my position is that it's totally reasonable to be uncomfortable having your DNA on file somewhere (I definitely am, which is why I haven't used any of these services), but there's no reason to believe that they were created as part of a conspiracy, especially given that government requests for access have largely been denied.
Sorry for the long reply, this is just one of those subjects that really interests me so I've done a lot of reading on it over the years.
cambo666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to apologize for the long reply! I enjoyed it! Good take, cheers!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:33:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that cat dna tests are much more reliable than dog dna tests but not completely sure why
Jessman8S ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 03:32:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for artemis fowl
DoctorWSG ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:11:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely loved that Artemis Fowl as a kid! Looking forward to a Netflix special, which is a sort of buddy cop film with Will Smith and some fairy folk trying to contain a magic wand. So, essentially, a world after the glamour has been lifted and humans and fairyfolk intermingle.
That book series got me into science and Sig Sauer handguns.
Edit: Holy shit, Airman came out 10 years ago. Time flies.
Edit Strikes Back: The movie is called Bright.
Return of the Edit: Fucked up original post, and made it sound as if Bright was an Artemis Fowl flick. It's not. It just reminded me of AF.
Gunji_Murgi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what Netflix special??
Xisuthrus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:42:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's this about a netflix special?
dawhigit ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:31:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artemis fowl... that brings back some memories. Wasn't there talk of a movie at one point?
WhyNotThinkBig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney is making it. They recently started looking for young Irish boys for the lead part, so at least something's happening
hipsterboy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:40:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which Artemis Fowl book was it?
PragmaticMoth ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:46:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to say the fifth one... Not 100% sure, I read them likely a decade ago but my brain is flashing the silver cover with Opal in the name.
There's a line that the scientist in charge of her mutters all the time, "DNA never lies, DNA never lies..."
Edit: I lied it's the fourth one, the opal deception. ...Spoiler alert?
ah_rhi ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:52:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the Opal Deception, maybe? That's the name that comes to mind, anyway. I loved those books and remember thinking "MAN she is nuts".
PragmaticMoth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:53:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! I just looked it up. I loved that series.
Xisuthrus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC Opal's only ever the antagonist in even-numbered books so it can't be the fifth book.
PragmaticMoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, I correct d myself at the end of the comment.
barstowtovegas ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:29:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Opal Koboi I believe?
coredumperror ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, tech at that level existed 15 years ago. I did a DNA test in my freshman biology class in 2002. I didn't sequence my own DNA, though: I just got a stain. If you're talking about bio freshman sequencing their own DNA in class, that's impressive.
fighterbynite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just following procedure really. I work in DNA sequencing and it isn't that difficult. What I don't see is universities letting students use next gen sequencing machines. Those reagents alone are extremely expensive.
joeyjojosharknado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It still takes some skill to do the library prep right. I've seen a few expensive fuckups because universities have let the grad students do the library prep (instead of an experienced technician).
SoriAryl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What bio class was this?
Astrangerindander ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:28:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a full Gene sequencing or anything, but often when you learn how to run a gel / pcr you take a month swab and look for a certain marker. I did this in a 300 level bio class.
PragmaticMoth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:47:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup - my own education included multiple genetics courses, so we got to BLAST (gene database that at the time mostly had anonymous Scandinavian sequences) our PCRs and learn if you were similar to the white people, or not so much. That's about the quality then - that's why different services give you different percentages because they're comparing you to different databases (some better than others).
johnny_walker_lee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:53:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had one class in my last year of undergrad where the prof said that the year before, the entire class submitted their dna to 23andme, then got to learn bioinformatics by analyzing their own results. I had another class where we did this with publicly available data from 23andme
SoriAryl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I start college this next spring for bio and never heard of undergrads doing it. Thanks for the info
NebuchadnezzarJack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:18:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opel the sly hoor
verbal_pestilence ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what's the point of testing if you have nothing to compare it to
those companies purport to have a database that can actually connect you to someone
fighterbynite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from ancestry, you can test for genetic markers as long as you have a true positive (or know what a positive looks like).
For ancestry, there are know VLPs for many different races/regions that people can be compared to.
PragmaticMoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was stuff to compare to, there's a whole history of DNA sequencing I'm skimming over, I'm just saying at that time you had a few hundred/maybe thousand samples in the database compared to tens of thousands today.
lostnnumbers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very off topic, but I miss reading those books growing up. Not like I'll go read them again but I'd take a movie. While not a great movie I did enjoy Enders Game coming to life (yea sue me)
WhyNotThinkBig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The movie coming out in the next few years is a combination of the first two books, I fear it will suck.
painahimah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I learned how to (and ran) a gel in my bio class in high school in 2003. It was really cool to do!
FlyestFools ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same world but the fairies/gnomes/dwarves etc. just live in a subterranean metropolis.
borumlive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers bro. I'm still learning about the LEP Recon unit
guepier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct but completely unrelated to the rest of your comment: These DNA testing methods (simple single-locus genotyping or fingerprinting) are neither new nor expensive. The methods used in ancestry tests, which have decreased drastically in price, are large panel genotyping which is a lot more expensive (and also requires a somewhat more complex lab procedure, though not beyond the scope of undergrad biotech).
Chirimorin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've done a DNA test in my highschool biology class as an introduction to a specific study.
lostchicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DNA sequencing is one of the few technologies that's improved at a rate faster than semiconductors. It's called the Carlson curve (https://www.genome.gov/sequencingcostsdata/).
Sequencing the first complete human genome was an international effort that cost a few billion dollars in the late 90s. Now, it's a benchside lab test that costs a thousand bucks or so.
-Kung-Fu-Kenny- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you use DNA as ID in a world where cloning is possible
timtom85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:13 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's true that it became technically feasible only recently, but that doesn't invalidate the claim these companies may be covert government operations to compile a massive database of DNA records.
CandlePrincen ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 00:41:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember exactly where I read this, but there was someone talking about how sites like ancestry log certain types of dna and that it can come up to cause issues for you later (i.e. getting insurance). Also, there was a weird post going around about the way they handle First Nation's people and monetize their genetics?
ravenstarchaser ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:44:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know the link concerning First Nations DNA by chance?
CandlePrincen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't, sorry, it was a tumblr post from a while back that I can't find now. I'll link it if I see it again. However, if I had to guess, it was probably spawned from a combination of the genome project and the spiritual/religious issues of post-humorous baptisms.
ClumsyWendigo ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 03:15:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
while we're on the topic of ancestry.com and conspiracy theories, here's mine:
ancestry.com was started by mormons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry.com#History
mormons got in trouble for baptizing people's ancestors without their permission: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead#Controversy
so my conspiracy theory:
ancestry.com was started for the purpose of baptizing the dead into LDS church
if you go to ancestry.com, some shady mormon group is going to baptize your ancestors into the LDS church
jake55555 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:51:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ancestry.com signed a 60 million dollar deal with Familyserach.org who has already gotten in trouble for doing just that. The real conspiracy is that a similar DNA testing company, 23andme signed deals with Pfizer and Genentech. So these companies will have your DNA and your family history and is selling it off. โWith 23andMe,โ wrote Lisa Miller in New York magazine last April. โ[CEO Anne Wojcicki] wants to do with DNA what Google did for dataโbecause, after all, DNA is data." And what Google โ and other web giants have done โ is to create powerful platforms through which other companies can sell us stuff.
glutenfreetoast ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:28:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was this not blatantly obvious to people? There's a lot of money to be made as it's a new market. Not just commercially, but for law enforcement to track fugitive's families as well. To what level the individual owns their own DNA is kinda up in the air at the moment.
ClumsyWendigo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:54:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so we and every human who has ever lived are all mormons now?
i think it's creepy, but kind of amusing and stupid. baptizing the dead? holocaust victims are annoyed, so i respect their concerns and stand against the practice. but it seems ridiculous
jake55555 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:29:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much. I think it's bizarre too.
For Mormons, baptizing the dead solves a big theological problem: How do billions of people who never had the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ โ including those who lived before Jesus walked the earth โ receive salvation? By baptizing the dead, a practice known as posthumous proxy baptism, Mormons believe they are giving every person who ever lived the chance at everlasting life. That includes Muslims, Hindus, atheists, pagans, whoever. โMormons believe that there is a place the dead go where they are in โspirit prisonโ and where they have the chance to accept the Christian baptism,โ says Richard Bushman, a Mormon scholar at Columbia University. โBut itโs a duty to actually perform Christian ordinance of baptism, so Mormons seek out every last person who ever lived and baptize them.โ
OliveItMaggle ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:08:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the mormons were trying to trace native Americans to the lost tribes of Israel. Because Mormons believe the Garden or Eden is in Missouri.
ClumsyWendigo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:22:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yup, that's another creepy thing they do
BrayanIbirguengoitia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do they do? Just throw a little water on the grave and pray? Because I don't mind if that's all they did, to be honest.
ClumsyWendigo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:46:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
read the wikipedia link. it's quite bizarre, includes people baptized who are standing in for the dead
i find it hilarious and dumb, and i don't really mind that much either
but holocaust survivors are bothered by it, so i stand against it in respect to them
it's pretty goofy and creepy
takegaki ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:33:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion is weird, but I guess I can shed some light as a born and raised Mormon. The church encourages us members to research their own ancestors, learn more about them, get their names, date of birth/death and where they were from. Then you have a card with that information and you can take it to a temple and do baptisms for the dead. People can submit their ancestors to a big list and everyone just works on knocking them down. You stand in a small pool in white clothes, a person reads the baptism prayer and you get dunked. Then repeat 10 or so times. My family's been Mormon since the beginning on both sides, so basically all my known ancestors have had this done, so I usually just do whatever names they have on hand at the temple. I've heard about the holocaust victims thing, I'm pretty sure it's a big nono to get anywhere near those now, and I've never heard of people choosing random dead people that aren't direct ancestors before, but that was a thing I guess. What is taught, (try not to laugh), is that people have their free agency in the next life too. So it can be like, hey a live person with a physical body was baptized for you by proxy (for some reason baptism has to be with a physical body) do you want to accept that? And people can still be like, what? Be a Mormon? No!
ClumsyWendigo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:38:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey i'm not laughing, and thanks for chiming in with a real and genuine explanation. TIL, thank you
i still think it's creepy and weird. but that's true of all religions, not just LDS
catholics go every sunday to get a wafer which "transubstantiates" into the flesh of christ, then they eat it
that's fucking weird
sea_queue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Raised Catholic, went to mass for ~20 years before lapsing, can confirm that the Eucharist is poised to be seen as the flesh of Christ but I always saw it as a wholly symbolic ordeal.
ClumsyWendigo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nothing specifically wrong with catholicism
all of religion, every sect of christianity, islam, judaism, hinduism, etc.: weird and often creepy
the jews have two different sets of pots
because you can't cook stuff with milk in it with other stuff, you can't even clean it and use it later
i mean: this two sets of pots shit, transubstantiation, baptizing the dead, etc.: y'all fucking weird
fighterbynite ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:13:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe GINA prevents discrimination based on genetics, except for government and military. What you could be alluding to is a genetic disease manifesting as a physical disease; that physical disease then preventing one from getting insurance. Some companies, when testing DNA for one thing, will also test for a specific set of mutations. These mutations are usually closely linked to a curable disease. In the case that these mutations come up positive, even though ancestry.com isn't testing for them, they may feel you have the right to know and disclose that information to you.
DISCLAIMER: I don't know if this is what Ancestry.com does, I work in a genetics lab and this is what we do, but we specialize in hereditary diseases.
https://www.genome.gov/10002077/genetic-discrimination/
CandlePrincen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did not know about GINA specifically so thanks for that, but yes, I was talking about the (chances of?) physical manifestation resulting in a "preexisting condition" label.
NuezEnMiPapi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:26:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issues with insurance only come up if you consent to seeing your medical risks, they now require consent forms filled out/literally just a check mark pushed before you can view your genetic predisposition to medical conditions because of insurance issues.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:40:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a TED talk or some kind of article about the massive amounts of data produced. The business model is to sell or license it to great profit. Not a conspiracy theory but facts.
Rubcionnnnn ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:43:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They license it anonomously. Every part of the record that could point to you individually is removed and then it's massed with other people's records and sold.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. But most clients think it's a toy for their own use, while their data is a product to be sold.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:41:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for ... your DNA
Rubcionnnnn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:10:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The information from the DNA analysis are not individually identifiable.
harlemrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure sites like 23andme admit to it publicly, but more in an attaboy sorta way, saying the anonymous info is used for medical research. Yay, you helped cure diseases!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I mean, that's true too.
Styron1106 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 03:04:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all these negative things about ancestry.com, but I just want to say I used one of their tests and was able to find my father after 36 years. Met him for the first time a couple weeks ago. Couldn't be happier.
captainbluemuffins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay happy ending!
Logeboxx ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:36:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought part of the deal with those was that you DNA is cataloged for research purposes.
achotate ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:22:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure about the others, but 23andMe sells your genetic data to other companies and to universities. A vast database of genomes is an incredibly valuable research tool that people are willing to pay through the nose for -- so valuable that their whole business model is based not on selling sequencing kits, but on selling their customers' data.
Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/23andme-is-terrifying-but-not-for-the-reasons-the-fda-thinks/
pug_grama2 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 02:57:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares?
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:03:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of points here.
First, the original response said:
OP is explaining the issue, not really making a point that can be argued.
Second, who cares depends on who you ask. There's loads of privacy issues with issues like this that we haven't considered. It's the same question about facebook, apple, google and every other app tracking our location and search history. Sure, it's relatively harmless right now. It's less harmless if someone wants to harm you and has access to that data. Or if that data can be hacked, modified, or shared to the public at large to hurt someone's reputation.
I'm not particularly excited about handing out my valuable personal information to random companies in exchange for finding out trivial information about myself. Call it paranoid or call it opportunism, but if I have something of value to other people, I'm not going to pay someone to profit from it.
fighterbynite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:23:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scientists aren't using the database to track a specific person, if 23andme was selling your DNA with your information there would be a huge problem, but the data is anonyminized. Nobody but 23andme should be able to link the DNA sequence to a name. I can understand the fear of handing our personal data to a company, but that same fear shouldn't be because 23andme is selling their database, almost every genetic company is doing that. The only way we're going to learn how DNA really works is by looking at huge amounts of data.
I can understand wanting to keep your sequence private, but the data provided could provide the next breakthrough in genetic specific medical treatment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a scientist but I doubt that any information coming from 23 and me is going to lead to a breakthrough. We have plenty of genetic data but it doesn't really mean anything if we don't have a way of interpreting that data or correlating it to specific medical issues. The problem with 23andme is they don't have any actual medical history. It's all self-reported patient histories that can't be verified. "Do you have trouble sleeping" is different than insomnia which is different than sleep apnea. If I'm studying drugs that target sleep apnea, that genetic data dump is virtually meaningless. If I'm doing research that relies on scientifically valid data, I'm going to ignore everything they provide.
It's okay if they want to sell data. That's basically what every company does these days and the consumer has no expectation that their private information, anonymized or not, will be held privately. Grocery stores, credit cards, Apple and Samsung, cable companies, and every other company with data on you is going to sell it. But there's no need to pretend like what 23andme or ancestry.com or anyone is doing is a noble cause. It's defendable in the sense that it's a common practice but it's not going to save the world or any lives.
As far as the privacy concerns go, yes, when they sell the data it is anonymized. However, the records they keep aren't.
pinks1ip ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:14:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, ancestry.com is owned by the Mormon church. My theory is they are using it as a recruiting/recovery tool. It's a great way to find "lost sheep" or whatever.
IAmScience ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:48:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It feeds their Genealogy projects, which are a means to find dead people in need of baptizin'. Source: Ex-Mormon.
Tacothechihuahua ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had this same thought. It's obviously a ham fisted attempt to create a comprehensive DNA registry.
The govt has been collecting a sample of DNA from every baby born in the USA since the 1970's but it isn't in a compiled database for law enforcement use. Getting the law enforcement data base filled up with as many DNA profiles as possible is what these home DNA tests are about.
You are now required to submit to a facial recognition scan compliant photo for a drivers license. Guaranteed that a DNA sample will be required within the next 10 years under the guise of homeland security and fighting terrorism.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. It's not as big of a conspiracy as you think. More of an Occam's Razor for capitalism. The government doesn't really need DNA as much as capitalistic interests can profit from your DNA. These companies compile DNA along with a self-reported medical history from people submitting their DNA. They take that data and see if they can find any genome mapping info that they can sell to pharma companies. So the consumer pays you money to break down their DNA, then you sell that data to another company. You're winning on both ends.
EX: http://gizmodo.com/23andme-is-selling-your-data-but-not-how-you-think-1794340474
xenonpulse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even know what Occam's Razor is? The way you used it in a sentence makes me think you don't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! I do.
xenonpulse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something can't be an Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor is simply a philosophical principle.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appreciate it. The Occam's Razor principal applies here because I'm showing the difference between a massive US government conspiracy and profit for a corporation.
The assumption OP made says there are several major companies that are fronts for a government conspiracy that wants to harvest all our DNA for record keeping. My argument is that a much simpler assumption can be made - those companies sell the data they have and it's massively profitable for them.
PragmaticMoth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:04:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The facial recognition scan is to prevent fraud for the people that like to have 10 different licenses in different states. They compare the photo to other databases of current licenses.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:22:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude they keep the DNA you give them so even if they go out of business they keep it
Shits sketchy as fuck
Source:that terms and service y'all ain't reading
tormund_giantsbane07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:38:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like if they become manly?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao business
pug_grama2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:56:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares? I've got plenty more spit.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:13:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the can sell it to companies/rando people and they can do whatever. Thats how you get framed for eating old people!!!!
Pugovitz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who has read Michael Crichton's "Next" knows what's up. They're cataloging everyone's genes so the can patent them in the future. Once CRISPR technology has advanced enough, we may have the ability to change our (or at least our children's) genes at will. Want a blond, blue-eyed child who will never get cancer? Well DNA Inc. owns the rights to that "secret recipe", if you will, and they're happy to lease it to you.
MushmanMcGoo ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:13:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ancestry.com will copyright your DNA if you take their dna test
JediGuyB ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:36:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they can own their clone army and fight the Separatists?
Vraecla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's treason then.
Wide_Open_Colon ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:02:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they can then sue me for existing?
captainbluemuffins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
MushmanMcGoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:04:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/ancestry-com-takes-dna-ownership-rights-from-customers-and-their-relatives-dbafeed02b9e/amp/
captainbluemuffins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:36:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtffff thats... dystopian
lightning_knight ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:35:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The FBI have already used them as part of crime investigations.
mgulley08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Right here. That is the scary thing. They are able to subpoena your DNA from these companies without you ever knowing it. This story was in Dateline not long ago. Forget that. I don't care that much about my ancestors. Familial DNA is scary shit.
mooseeve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the fine print. They own your DNA if you use them.
OctopusShmoctopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is the absolutely terrifying part to me. Mormons, baptisms, who cares - they own your DNA FOREVER.
fergnorie ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:28:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I agree but they seem like they are such a waste of money anyway. Not only are you randomly sending in your DNA but you lose money too.
I had a guy tell me that it told him he was a quarter Hispanic. When he knew his heritage a far ways back and it was primarily German. Which eh who knows what happened.
However when he started reading off every celebrity from Brad Pitt to Abraham Lincoln, I stopped listening.
PersikovsLizard ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:47:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hispanic is not an ancestry group. Spanish? Andean native? Caribbean native? What exactly?
Rubcionnnnn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's usually listed as a mix of southern European and native American
PersikovsLizard ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:48:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that either the previous poster is lying, the previous poster's friend is lying, or this company is a farce. No DNA results will say 'Hispanic' as that is not a genetic population group. I get your point though.
fergnorie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:37:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I work as a receptionist and it was a customer that stuck up a conversation with me a few months back. I don't remember the particulars- just the general convo. We were talking about being bilingual and somehow it led to him learning Spanish because he found out he was of some sort of Hispanic background. Which then led to Brad Pitt. I didn't particularly care from the beginning of the conversation and even less towards the end.
I mainly remember talking to my coworkers how it seemed to be a scam targeted at making you feel special because you were 3rd cousins removed on your mother's cousins side to Bruce Springsteen.
pug_grama2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:55:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they say he Spanish ancestry? What company was it? I tested at both 23andme and Ancestry.com and got the results about ancestors that I was expecting.
I also discovered I have a half brother, which I was not expecting,
fergnorie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't truly remember. All I remember is the general conversation. I work as a receptionist and he was a customer so it was mainly small talk.
I do remember him reading stuff off his phone and showing me a list of "relatives" it looked maybe like some sort of app, but I have no idea.
gaslightlinux ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, you get people to subsidize their own enslavement.
The government couldn't afford to GPS track everyone, but a lot of money can be made getting everyone to own a cell phone.
Give a little benefit where you gain more, make them pay for it, and outsource it to businesses. Capitalism baby.
theHawkmooner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're run by the mormons down in Utah. Once you sign up for the site and request the background checks they are allowed to see all information about you, and they use that to try and convert people. That is not a theory
Rustybot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:50:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a conspiracy theory.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what's the problem? I'm more than happy for them to keep and use my data for whatever. Do yourself a favor and get a test done holmes
octobertwins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a dateline where a dude was being accused of murder because his uncle had a test done.
This isn't going to be a great comment because I can't remember the details (not positive it was even the uncle) . But, in the end, the guy wasn't the murderer.
mgulley08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here it is
mdmenzel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:00:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is the insurance industry getting us used to the idea of routine DNA testing so that they can use the info at renewal and sign-up time.
SlimTidy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it supposed to be a Mormon thing?
Kradget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder about the terms of service for those. Who keeps the data, for how long, all that good stuff.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since my mother is German, I just had my dad do it and did the math to make my own. He's former military so the government already has his DNA on file anyway.
Pattriktrik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe these are being used by the government to have everyone's dna! I mean their actively collecting everyones face using facial recognition software thanks to facebook and snapchat! They collect all of our data about our lives via facebook! I believe fb was funded by the nsa/fbi/cia because what once would of taken months to investigate people and find out their habits, who they associate with, up to date pictures, their movements and their phone calls/texts Facebook does all this for them' they don't need a warrent for all our info we happily give them to facebook who collects all of this!
MAGA_Chicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.popsci.com/could-submitting-your-dna-to-private-genetics-companies-land-you-in-court
froschkonig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been confirmed that 23 and me has shared their library with the us government. What they've done with it? Who knows
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
improve knawlegge
itsjustchad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
familial dna matching is a thing used by law enforcement.
Spinolio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No conspiracy there. It's part of the LDS church's ongoing genealogy program. They have in mind to baptize everyone by proxy.
Antonskarp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone I've heard about that has taken these tests have been some part native American. I somehow doubt this is a very common ancestry in Norway, but it's what the target audience of these American websites want. They're at least partly bullshit, is my conclusion.
bad-medicine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All owned by the Mormon church!!
mare_apertum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to tell us what the conspiracy is about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pattriktrik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:02 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe selfies was pushed by the alphabet agencies too! Also pokemon go was definitely help funded by alphabet agencies too! Because we have a whole generation using their phones to map out area's kinda look the google maps car
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm suspicious too. I think they just google the name and do a statistical analysis estimate of the history of the person.
Zeoniic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:48:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same as, I was going to do it but films have taught me to never send off samples of your DNA to be stored on a database.
mapbc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is an astoundingly powerful database.
Why are google, Facebook and Amazon such huge companies? Yes the provide a great primary service to the public... but the secondary information they can sell to companies about people's search patterns, friend circles and shopping behavior makes the powerful trackers of information.
Now imagine that on a genetic level? R&D companies are looking for genes. This is a way to get people to PAY the company and DONATE the item they need. It's genius.
throatchakra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed - perhaps this a tin hat moment... but it's the perfect thread! I've heard that once someone has your DNA it can be replicated. I'm interested from a background aspect, the contribution to the study of where we all come from..but can't get over how the info could be used against innocent people. Edit: fixed a typo
fighterbynite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, DNA can be replicated in the lab. It's called PCR and is a very old technique. It mimics what your cells are doing to make new cells (mitosis), but on a larger and faster scale.
Can you clarify what you mean "info can be used against innocent people"?
throatchakra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course - in that if someone provided DNA it could be used against them later in some capacity. I.e. planted as evidence in a crime they didn't commit.
ABLovesGlory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your genetic makeup also changes from service to service. It's amazing how genes can just do that!
Also, Ancestry DNA is actually a nation-wide hit list, and once they reach 90% compliance they will start the cleansings.
12remember ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i just did one of these and was pissed when it returned that i was 80% 'central american' which it claimed was a vague mix of indigenous, spanish, and african. Like uhh okay thanks I already knew that, the point of the test was to find out how that part of my heritage broke down. Ripoffffff
fighterbynite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because there is not enough data for those ethnic groups. Their database probably contains mostly caucasians. The test is more for large very established ethnic groups, anything other than those and it's basically a guess because the data just isn't there.
summerfr33ze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a new tech. people like learning about their ancestry. Really don't get the mystery.
Xtinasauras-rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It worries me more because Ancestry .com is owned by the Church of Latter Day Saints.
TooPrettyForJail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of those big companies recently changed their terms of service to say that they now own your DNA profile
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone I know who has done one has been replaced. Yesterday I went swimming with my mom and sister and both of them started to twitch and shock the water a bit when they went to get in.
Blueblackzinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how are they getting the DNA match if they have nothing to match to?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've been around for many years. I think it's just recently more and more people are getting this done because of the commercials from Ancestry.com.
apotheotika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'd say you're right to be suspicious. The fact that DNA sequencing is a LOT cheaper than even a few years ago, plus a brilliant business opportunity.
If you've ever used ancestry, and you meet a doppelganger down the road.... be VERY suspicious.
whirl-pool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am in agreement. What database are you being attached too? The LDS have one of the biggest ancestry archives on the planet and you have to ask if this is associated. If so why does a church need this data? Line up people. Left to hell, right to heaven?
_MKUltraViolet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would it be possible to store the blood collected after a babies heel prick after it was birthed at the hospital? Or is it incinerated immediately after collection? Example being a doctor or nurse reading this has actually preformed the physical disposal personally.
Personally I think it's all stored and cataloged.
Thebraintickler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's just trying to market the technology as a private enterprise. Why else would someone want to pay someone to sequence DNA if they aren't a biologist? Sequence your own DNA? That's kinda cool. Find out your genetic history, possible genetic diseases? That's a decent service to offer with the technology available.
Now, what are they going to do with your DNA data? hopefully something useful, some big data would be a decent thing to do with it.
The DNA test is also totally volunteer, you actually pay to have it done, it's a service.
Also, most people wouldn't know how to interpret the results of a DNA sequence.
Abiogeneralization ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't eat the ADVENT burgers.
charlesgegethor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of how people who were in the Boy Scouts of America often had trips to police stations for tours where they would take thumb prints for "fun", when in actuality they were collecting them to add to their database.
ChummerLicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about this yesterday when I heard a 23 and me advertisement
StressedForlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:27 on October 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck you I wanted to do one now I am questioning it lol
primarybs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:52 on November 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait.... I thought this was basically true, but less sinister and involving the Mormons. Basically, the Mormons believe that a soul can be saved even after death and somehow they get to claim extra souls for God through the ancestry and DNA sites they run.
Cococlimbingjewelry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:25 on November 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My feeling too ๐
Marinersfan12 ยท 1349 points ยท Posted at 22:14:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason Easy-E died of AIDS is because Suge Knight murdered him. Hired someone to inject AIDS infected blood into his system. Suge even alluded to it on Jimmy Fallon's talk show.
BloodAngel85 ยท 668 points ยท Posted at 23:47:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how many deaths is Suge Knight responsible for? Isn't he blamed for both Biggie and 2Pac's deaths?
senor_moustache ยท 437 points ยท Posted at 03:49:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He definitely put a hit on Biggie, but Puffy was the one that put a hit on Pac. Biggie was just retaliation.
Nobodygrotesque ยท 378 points ยท Posted at 05:06:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw 2pac was going to leave Death Row to start Makaveli records which would've led Suge and the label in financial ruin, so to avoid that Suge had 2pac killed and TRIED to keep all of the songs 2pac made but 2pac's mom actually got the masters and publishing rights. Why do you think 2pac had SOOOOOO many songs that were never released? He made a crap load of songs to fulfill his contract to Death Row Records.
Edit: ok y'all I thought this was a conspiracy theory thread lol. I'm just saying what my thoughts are.
Edit 2: yea I'm aware Suge was in the car with 2pac at the time, perfect alibi IMO.
senor_moustache ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 05:20:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pac was only out of jail because of Suge. If Suge wanted to keep him from leaving he could have gotten him sent back.
serg_yeooo ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 10:13:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah Pac got out of jail thanks to interscope records sliding death row the bail money
knockoutking ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 11:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. If people still didn't know that, they straight up said it in The Defiant Ones
yummychocolatebunny ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many people have come out and said that was a lie, deathrow bailed him out. There isn't a single pic of Jimmy iovine and 2pac together.
Never heard 2pac shout out interscope records the way he did with deathrow
Edit: go watch DJ vlads interview with 2pac close friends and family from last month, they say Jimmy is full of shit. Sorry to disappoint you
Why didn't Jimmy say anything 20 years ago? Why wait until now? The outlawz said it best: its convenient timing, why mention it over 20 years later? And why is it only being revealed in a documentary they are promoting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO_05E4wjHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTHgmG8DBAQ
http://www.hiphopmyway.com/g/outlawz-call-out-jimmy-iovine-for-2pac-comments/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/bc.marfeel.com/amp/allhiphop.com/https:/2017/07/17/daz-dillinger-claims-jimmy-iovine-lying-bailing-tupac/
limsol45 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Iovine has a note from 2pac on his wall thanking him for all that he has done. They showed it on the Defiant Ones series.
yummychocolatebunny ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:01:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who knew 2pac best say its bullshit https://youtu.be/XO_05E4wjHA
limsol45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, 2pac probably thought the same thing and that's why he loyal to Suge and his friends thought the same thing. He wasn't shouting out Interscope because he was signed to death row, which sounds more of home grown record label than big Interscope. Interscope was owned by time warner and wouldn't let them bail out Pac, so they fronted Death row the money.
yummychocolatebunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds very convinent, why the hell didn't he mention it before? Why didn't he let 2pacs mother know? Why wait 20 years and only "reveal" it in his documentary. Why didn't he correct anyone for the past 20 years? Theres so many documentaries mentioning suge bailing out 2pac, wouldn't jimmy iovine be pissed at that?
I mean its amazing publicity, well it would have been 20 years ago.
Seems to me like jimmy is lying, and the people who knew 2pac seem to think it too. All he has is a piece of paper apparently written by 2pac.........no photos with 2pac, no sort of correspondence, nothing at all. Did 2pac even know of jimmys existence? Heck even madonna, sting, tim roth, Kiss and others have known 2pac, so it wasn't like he had a problem mingling with certain people.
serg_yeooo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because interscope wasn't supposed to bail him out, but since they knew how much he was capable of selling they had to. It's in the HBO series, the defiant ones.
yummychocolatebunny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His own group says that isn't true, so it's Jimmy's word against tupacs family and friends.
Why is it now, 20 years after 2pac is dead that Jimmy came out with that claim?
Why does 2pac never mention Jimmy? Why is there no picture of them two together?
2pac owes Jimmy iovine everything if what Jimmy says is true. But not a single mention of those two together, ever.
serg_yeooo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only person I've seen try and claim that Jimmy is lying is daz dillinger, and this dude even said "suge came to yall, and took that money to bail him out. That was his money." And that shit don't make any damn sense, it was his money, but they took it from iovine?? It's like these dudes are trying to discredit iovine just because they don't like him. Probably because death row crashed and burned and they hella salty. If you have any other proof of others saying Jimmy lied, id love to see.
yummychocolatebunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The outlaws say Jimmy is full of shit too https://youtu.be/XO_05E4wjHA
Funny how there isn't a single picture of 2pac and Jimmy together.
Or how 2pac has never mentioned him
Oh and explain why it took Jimmy 20 YEARS to come out with this ground breaking claim.
Funny how it comes out in this new documentary, and it's never been heard before it.
Edit: and another thing to note is that 2pac conspiracy theorists (the ones that believe suge killed 2pac) often point to suge bailing out 2pac as a big part of why 2pac wanted to leave deathrow (2pac was being controlled apparently)
So I guess Jimmy iovine is in on it now too?
blanxable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pac was put in jail by the fbi, i thought it was common knowledge
yummychocolatebunny ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:22:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2pac was never gonna leave death row, he said himself makaveli records was going to be under death row and the outlaws just confirmed it last month in an interview with DJ vlad
Suge went into financial ruin with the death of 2pac, deathrow records collapsed and suge went to prison, so no he didn't benefit from his death.
The first person suge met out of prison was 2pacs mother, they had a friendly relationship.
The only person who benefitted from a death was diddy. After biggies death diddy's career skyrocketed, but no one ever suspects him of killing Biggie.
Nobodygrotesque ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:38:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard the interview on him saying it would be under Death Row Records BUT that could accurate idk. I'm pretty sure I remember reading his mom had to take Suge to court over her Son's music though, but it's been so long since I looked into this stuff you could be completely right about all this. I do agree about Diddy though.
yummychocolatebunny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think suge actually owned deathrow anymore when 2pacs mom sued. Pretty sure she sued the new owners.
2pac has it written down on the original makaveli track listing which states makaveli records will be distributed under deathrow records. And the outlaws also confirmed it recently with DJ vlad.
And they also planned deathrow east for the east coast, 2pacs at the MTV awards talking about it.
RadioOnThe_TV ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 06:11:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suge was in the fucking car. I dont care how crazy he is hes not trying to kill someone by having someone else shoot up the front passenger seat of a car he is driving.
Pac got in a fight with some gangsters earlier that night is all.
Dark_Vengence ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 09:26:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah suge is a crazy ass mofo. He is bulletproof, you better believe it.
KMFDM781 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:16:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tupac was a kid from the east coast who wanted to play gangsta and fucked with some real G's who don't give a fuck who Tupac is. They ain't playing and they live that life every day....they sure don't take kindly to outsiders who roll in talking shit while hiding behind their big posse.
Patternsonpatterns ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:14:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why you're getting down voted since the people that were around said the same thing.
KMFDM781 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:12:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting downvoted because people have no idea about that life. It's totally foreign to them. That was excellent interview. MC Eiht is a real OG
Patternsonpatterns ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought so too when I watched it. I was watching some interview from what I assume is his office and in the background he's got rifles in display cases on the wall lmao
Shanguerrilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and now I'm subscribed and binge watching a new (to me) youtube channel...
Eiht did an amazing interview that day (there are a bunch of other clips), but that channel is awesome with the other guests too.
Patternsonpatterns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to watch a really bizarre one, Bankroll Fresh was a pretty big name in Atlanta when he was killed. Here's his killer.
Vlad gets a lot of shit from people sometimes tho. I haven't looked too much into it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could see it was this video for a thousand miles away
RadioOnThe_TV ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:42:52 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Sounds like losers to me
KMFDM781 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Essentially yeah
Wealthyontheinside ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:18:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see a good movie about this, one that covers Suge and Diddy's involvement.
yummychocolatebunny ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:28:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Murder rap, came out last year I think
hicow ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:51:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This actually makes the most sense, I'd say. All they really had when Pac signed were Pac and Snoop, and Snoop didn't last too much longer with DR.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:12 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you forgot Suge Knight got glass on his head off that night?
TEALC- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:38:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so suge ordered a hit on 2pac while being in the same car as him???
LawnShipper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:57:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And we wonder why our urban communities are so rife with violence.
These are their role models.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 05:21:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rapemybones ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:56:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they would've been waay better off killing N.W.A. if that was their goal. Tupac wasn't like the figurehead of killing cops and shit.
Libertyreign ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:43:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like something the FBI would spend there time orchestratong and risking getting caught over /s
The_Farting_Duck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:44:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds more like the CIA's bailiwick TBH.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bailiwick
UsuallyHerAboutGames ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:25:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hippies make my day
DraculaBranson ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:53:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he didnt. if you look at vladtv compton police interview they explain it thoroughly. they beat orlando anderson up in vegas and orlando came with boomblam later that night. simple as that.
hicow ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:50:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Puffy didn't put a hit on anyone. He's soft, and aside from that, he's a businessman. Pac being dead wouldn't have made any difference to Puffy.
BangEmSmurf ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:41:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh read up on Puffy. I'm not saying he's John wick but the dude came up with a very real crowd of people, lots of ties to real gangsters and drug pushers in a big way. Pretty much everyone that came out of the NYC rap scene in that era was tied in with legitimate murderers and criminals
yummychocolatebunny ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:30:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Diddy's is surrounded by dead people, look up the list of people who have hung around him and are now dead.
2pac himself, on multiple occasions has blamed diddy for setting him up in 1994 (which got 2pac shot 5 times)
fuckitx ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:02:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
..no one calls him puffy anymore
thatG_evanP ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:21:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's responsible for 2Pac's death in the sense that the person who shot Pac was actually trying to kill Suge. Pretty sure he actually confirmed this recently.
ikilledtupac ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:03:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk about that...
BloodAngel85 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:18:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the username checks out, I'm convinced.
Guyupnorth ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Diddy killed big and tupac. He benefited the most from their deaths. He's talentless when it comes to music and rapping, but all of a sudden he's the biggest name in hip hop.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:58:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy this. Big was his golden goose. He was well known in the industry before Bigs death. Hes always been more of a businessman and producer than a rapper. I guess you could say he certainly became more famous as a musician after Bigs death (he never had an album before it so we don't really know) but he could have done the same with Big still alive.
billiards-warrior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His bodyguard and close friend for years says otherwise. Provides lots of proof for his stories. It's on YouTube
Guyupnorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:27:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You serioiusly think that his garbage music would compete against Big and Pacs music if they weren't both murdered? His wealth increased astronomically after their deaths. He played up being the sad best friend to make his career blow up. He then tried to control hip hop and strangle out competition for about a decade. Look into his past. I honestly believe he's personally killed more than 1 person and has a record of beating the fuck out of people when he snaps.
yummychocolatebunny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:31:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at diddy's career after the death of Biggie, he became a global superstar. Heck his tribute song to Biggie is one of the main reasons for that.
However I don't believe diddy had Biggie killed, but that would make more sense than suge killing 2pac
yummychocolatebunny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's only blamed for one death, the killing he committed in 2015, other than that there is zero proof for any other murder
StressedForlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:50 on October 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he is garbage
GlazedReddit ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suge probably used by FBI to kill off prominent rising voices of influence and protected over the years. Nothing gets the Hollywood treatment unless they want the official story blasted out there to sway population.
zknight137 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:37:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Kimmel
Chaos773 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:26:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit skeptical, do here are a few questions:
I mean, Eazy was promiscuous. My thought is that it's more likely he got it from one of his partners.
BitNot defending Suge, but it seems like an excessive amount of trouble to go through to kill someone.Edit: Formatting and spelling.
scorejockey ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 03:50:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no one injected him, Suge had him raped at gunpoint by a guy with AIDS when the whole Dre contract thing happened.
Mr_Mars ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 04:44:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many times? A receptive partner's risk of contracting HIV from anal intercourse is about 1.5% if ejaculation occurs. As far as assassination methods go that's inefficient as fuck. Injecting infected blood would be a better way to go but better hope the blood type matches. Seems like a lot of work to go to either way. I have no problem believing that Suge Knight has killed a lot of people but this is way too elaborate for a dude who runs a someone over in front of witnesses.
chlou ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 04:52:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ripping the skin ups the chances, and anal rape would probably cause tearing
Mr_Mars ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 04:59:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but again, we are talking about a dude who is currently on trial for running someone over in broad daylight in front of witnesses. Suge Knight is dangerously violent and probably a sociopath. I don't disagree that he's probably connected in some way to a lot of deaths in hip hop over the past couple of decades. But this is all way too elaborate for him. If he'd wanted to kill Easy he would have hired someone to shoot him, or maybe shot him himself.
In my mind it's far more likely that Suge would talk it up as if he'd done something to Easy because Suge wants everyone to know what a hardass motherfucker he is. Maybe he implied it but that doesn't mean he did it, and given his other crimes it doesn't really fit his style.
SGT_Chowdown ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 05:13:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
also you have to ignore eazy's past drug use, which is the most likely way that he became HIV positive, so...
Mr_Mars ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:19:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's not like Eazy was known for his clean living. Him getting hiv from drug use or unprotected sex isn't exactly far fetched.
I actually looked up the quote from Suge Knight when he was on Kimmel, and he was responding to Kimmel coming out wearing a bullet proof vest as a joke.
(clip)
So maybe he did that. But it still just doesn't seem like the way he rolls, and Suge seems to me like the kinda guy who'd want to claim credit for things he didn't do to pump up his reputation.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 08:09:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is such a fucking psychopath. Just sitting there casually talking about it, laughing and smoking a cigar. Why the fuck would abc even have this scumbag on as a guest?
GA89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:14:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting better ratings gets you more money probably.
yummychocolatebunny ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:32:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eazy e own son said the whole suge thing is bullshit.
He knew suge personally too
SGT_Chowdown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBH, the "Suge jabbed Eazy with a poz blood syringe" thing has been a meme for aaaaaaages. I would be totally unsurprised if Suge mentioned that one specifically because it's the biggest conspiracy about him out there, next to "Suge did Pac/Biggie". Plus it adds a hint of the sinister that he'd be willing to joke about that on national TV, like a Cosa Nostra boss who fears nothing and no one.
The_Farting_Duck ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:46:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That and E never used condoms in the middle of the AIDS pandemic.
SGT_Chowdown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if it was into the early 90s, he may just not have known. SO much information coming out about AIDS at the time was biased, incorrect, or otherwise misleading, and it leaves one surprised that more people didn't contract HIV because of all the stories saying shit like "white guys can't get it" and "you get it through gay sex and that's it nothing else"
The_Farting_Duck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was the HHH disease at that point, because only Homosexuals, Heroin addicts, and Haitians were the only ones getting it? Or was it GRID by that point?
SGT_Chowdown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRID came about in 1982, in 1985 they started using AIDS instead. I remember reading that the "white guys can't catch it" shit stopped real fast when all of a sudden a bunch of white male junkies showed up in hospitals with Kaposi's Sarcoma.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:42:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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scorejockey ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is much easier to contract it by receiving anal sex then by giving it. And it is almost impossible for a man to get it from a woman.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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archetech ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:58:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he had that guy cum in his ass 70 times.
FuckFaceMcQueefer ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 02:55:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is such bull shit. How many hoochies did Easy fuck? But it was Suge Knight that injected him with infected blood?
scorejockey ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 03:49:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't injected into him......Suge had some guy with AIDS rape him when he confronted him over Dre's contract. That whole story of Suge "threatening" EZ? Yeah, he had him raped at gunpoint so as to lose any credibility if it came out.
Edit: Not to mention, do you know how hard it is for a guy to catch HIV from a female, especially during vaginal sex? It borders on the close to impossible range. There is an old joke I have heard an HIV/AIDS counselor make: what do you call a straight guy with HIV? A liar. It's a shitty job, and just like any shitty job there is gallows humor.
JavelinTF2 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 04:00:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i mean technically you could still say it was injected into him
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:02:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how did Magic Johnson get it?
scorejockey ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 04:08:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you were alive at the time, but there were a lot of rumors that he was bisexual before he announced his diagnosis. There was talk about parties/orgies at his house for years.
Am I saying that is how it happened? I don't know, there are a ton of people who think he really doesn't have HIV and took a large sum of $$$$$ to bring HIV front and center as something that could "happen to anyone". The HIV drugs at the time somehow kept him incredibly healthy while everyone else was dying.
Who knows, but the odds of him getting it thru vaginal sex is almlost zero. The odds of getting it while having anal sex with a woman is higher. Maybe he has herpes, which would make it easier to catch if he had active sores at the time. Maybe he took a huge payday and doesn't have it at all? Only he knows the answer.
socontroversial ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:05:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Butt stuff probably
anscmc ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:05:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Raped at gunpoint.
bird1759 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:48:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on how long he'd had it when he announced his diagnosis in 1991, he could have gotten it through a blood transfusion.
Beor_The_Old ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:25:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking out of your ass, receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner HIV positive is 0.82%. Vaginal sex is from 0.07% to 0.55% depending on the stage of the source partner. This was the 80s when AIDS was not well understood and antiretroviral therapy wasn't as advanced as it was today.
The difference in probability of getting AIDS from having copious amounts of unprotected sex with many different women over several years, compared with the possibility of getting it from being raped once by a man is not even comparable. Also there is no evidence he was raped, and he likely would have gone to a doctor if he was. It's far likelier that he would have gotten it from a women.
ilikewc3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
yummychocolatebunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first time I've heard the rape story, you got a source for that?
kebabwhy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:51:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Easy was just too easy going about rubbers. Just saying, he seems like the "raw dog and bounce" type as Eminem would say.
EvanyoP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bail*
fuckitx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:08:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did he allude to it
tayman12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
huh?...
RonDonVolante92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im just picturing Fallon doing his laugh after Suge makes the implication
ComatoseSixty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
E was murdered, but AIDS doesn't kill anyone that fast.
RobwasHere_lol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get some supporting evidence on this? Sounds like an interesting one
EvanyoP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you link the episode
spvcejam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we are going hip hop beefs I think Tech9's crew killed Mac Dre.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a link? Would love to see that.
kevl9987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smh it's not conspiracy if it's fact EAZY E WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE WANTED TO REFORM NWA WITH DRE AND ICE CUBE AND TUPAC WANTED IN AND DEATH ROW WASNT GONNA GET A CUT THATS WHY PAC DIED SOON AFTER OPEN YOUR EYES
yummychocolatebunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suge night had nothing to do with eazy e death.
Eazy e own son talks about it with DJ vlad, he knows suge personally and talk frequently.
murderboxsocial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe this one for a second. Easy-E was well known to fuck everything and anything that walked, and he is one of those "never left the hood" rappers. Even when NWA was making money he was still fucking sluts down on Crenshaw. Didn't like condoms. Even Dr. Dre made a comment once to the effect of "we all did wild and irresponsible stuff back then, E was just the one who paid for it."
ofthedappersort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
little far fetched. Eazy E was running through hood pussy and wasn't wrapping it up tight and AIDS was more prevalent in 95 than it is today. Suge will say anything for some notoriety
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:16 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Kimmel
breakingbadforlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:12 on September 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bruh dude is an ASSHOLE. he ran over some dude in the Straight Outta Compton set after learning they were showing him as a villain in the movie (rightfully so)
timtom85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:43 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be an awfully slow way to murder somebody. It may take many years before an HIV infection manifests as AIDS, and even after that many years before the patient dies. With today's treatments, you may in fact never die of it.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's not how AIDS works bud lol
1aeiouyy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:16:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone thats replying and even yourself should be ashamed. Its Eazy-E, cmon now. Show some respect for the deceased. Also, go M's!, you mediocre miscreants
BurnedOut_ITGuy ยท 14934 points ยท Posted at 18:39:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am 100% convinced my barber is cutting my hair longer and longer each time. The city tore up the road in front of his shop months and months ago and are taking their sweet time fixing it. I'm convinced he keeps cutting my hair longer since then because this means I need more haircuts more frequently and this makes up for the lost business from the road being torn up.
[deleted] ยท 8487 points ยท Posted at 21:27:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know it's time to bring it up with him when he starts putting hair extensions in.
GeneralEchidna ยท 745 points ยท Posted at 03:30:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See also: GTA San Andreas
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 06:31:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GTA: Online is worse. I choose to go from a buzzcut to pink cornrows and she leans in front of me with scissors and when she moves back, I have new hair and highlights!
prancingElephant ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 07:40:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were obviously reverse scissors
glowworm621 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 08:57:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Reverse scissors" sounds like a sex position.
prancingElephant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
;)
IveGotABluePandaIdea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:39:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is, ask your mom.
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-scissors
PM_ME_YOUR_CAT_ ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:31:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any gta where you have the option to get a haircut
Non-Alignment ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least it isn't as strange as WoW's barber... they can change your face with those scissors in addition to making a bald guy have hair. They can even reshape horns from Tauren and Draenei, remodel dead skin in undead, reshape tusks in Trolls... etc.
PM_ME_AMAZON_VOUCHER ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:50:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See also: some random horse on front page
Glassclose ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:24:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm tell you Sam, All the IT guys are getting into pony tails now. All I do is take 45 minutes put on this hair extension then we're gonna talk randomly awkwardly bullshit for about 25 minutes while I cut this all down into place, just another $25 on top of what you normally pay and gratuity of course."
Coquelins-counselor ยท 2029 points ยท Posted at 20:01:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tell him to take it all off. It's the only way to be sure.
Thillip ยท 3449 points ยท Posted at 22:06:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Barber begins to profusely sweat
krakajacks ยท 1533 points ยท Posted at 23:34:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gets out 3 guard
bobbinwinder ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 03:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shaking the bed laughing. 4 simple words making my night.
baconpizza7 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:32:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain to us uneducated folk.
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 03:34:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A guard is the attachment that goes on an electric shaver. They are numbered, and the higher the number the less hair is cut off. If you asked your barber to take it all off then that means he wouldn't use a guard.
regoapps ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:45:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 guard leaves 3/8 inch of your hair left on your head. Your hair grows about 1/8 inch per week, so that would mean that compared to using no guard, you'd come back 3 weeks sooner.
fossil98 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:54:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theydidthemath
DandhisKitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I typed it out but then deleted it
the_wurd_burd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:55:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm at a friend's cabin cracking up myself. They're all having a "serious discussion" but I'm over here dying laughing.
KoolDude214 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont get it....
Cuntdracula19 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:44:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slyly presses the extender on the clipper making it a 3.5
Lane_Meyers_Camaro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:30:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Batman slap No! Get the 000!
htx1114 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That shit is hilarious
T-MinusGiraffe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:48:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha I'm picturing himself getting ready with the intensity of Indiana Jones preparing to swap the idol. XD
canIpleasehavepizza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:09:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
had a deep belly laugh, thanks
ProxyReBorn ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 00:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sweats in barber
notdanecook ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:24:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me laugh so much more than it should've
Thillip ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:57:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
barber becomes aroused
LaterGatorPlayer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:24:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
barbering deintensifies
Thillip ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:27:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BARBER BECOMES AGGRESSIVE
DomesticChaos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:32:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:28:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FerrisGotA9to5 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:02:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth or Joe?
raspberrykoolaid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:15:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wooooow or heh heh heh heh
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of Rogaine
Where can I buy some
DickyD43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...in...including the head?
goombapoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โฆI'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
derpattk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cutters conveniently "stop working"
Dyolf_Knip ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:20:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ordered an electric razor off Amazon. Two haircuts later, it's already paid for itself, and without the whole "three kids, when the fuck do I find time to run to the salon" issue.
Gucci__Flip__Flops ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:36:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, same. Got a nice buzzer from Walmart, and learned to cut my own hair. I am now very good at it, and my friends pay me $5 (or beer) to cut their hair as well.
StyleJam ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:45:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha nice joke
A_Game_of_Scones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"just a little off the side" "wait you can do that?!" "Sure? This ain't the army!"
orange_sox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then go back everyday to keep it clean.
The_world_is_your ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My barber could never pull this shit on me. I always get number 2 with a fade. I know how #2 guard suppose to look like.
airmclaren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say no more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few years ago I gave up the fight with my receding hairline and got my barber to buzzcut my hair. He was concerned about it and insisted on doing it in gradual stages so I could stop him if it got too short and I didn't like it.
He was a good guy. I actually love it now but obviously, I don't need to go there anymore as I just do it at home with clippers. Shame cos I liked him.
Locuxify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game over, man, game over!
frozenHelen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear strippers make way more than barbers anyhow.
ReddieRalph ยท 4406 points ยท Posted at 20:45:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably the "nicest" conspiracy theory I've ever read/heard of in my life.
H0LT45 ยท 1941 points ยท Posted at 01:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
barbershopgate
Senor_Droolcup ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 03:12:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
911 was an inside bob!
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:49:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hair gel can't melt steel beams!
DakotaDevil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โ ๐ ๐
TheRemonst3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me actually lol. A mystery neighbor washed something sandy in the communal washers and fucked up my laundry. Their sand is on my socks and undies. I needed a laugh. Thanks for that!
Tales_of_Earth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:28:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then we find out Clinton is purchasing children from Benghazi through the barber or whatever pizza gate was about.
Justforthrow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:55:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright where's Tom Brady, we need his cell phone. It's somehow his fault.
Adamskinater ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:03:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Barbershop VI: The Lengthening
Foppyjay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:30:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starring Ice Cube as Jeb Bush
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're putting chemicals in the hairspray to turn undercuts gay
thatsaccolidea ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:52:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
careful, someone might get shot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way things have been going, that doesn't seem so far fetched.
thatsaccolidea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
from what i can gather from your countries rather opaque statistics, somewhere between 5 and 10 people have died to gun violence since i made that comment.. so yeah, i'm guessing that horse has bolted already?
punky_megster512 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Reddit
LaterGatorPlayer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:23:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PEOPLE WHO NEED THEIR HAIR CUT HATE THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK
redbanjo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:19:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But... but... the hair!!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wheres my ar15
Ihadsumthin4this ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
barbershop quartet gated-community
Sharp as Arrested Development, snarky as Parks & Rec, fast-paced as Archer, and altogether unexpected content akin to Party Down. This year's promising series, for sure.
All episodes written by Mr. & Mrs. E. E. Cuttings, hence the show's all-lowercase title.
basiamille ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's the conspiracy behind how Ice Cube became a movie star.
actual_factual_bear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this conspiracy theory the best because when I was a kid, the barber shop was always where I would actually hear all the conspiracy theories, what the Illuminati were up to, and that sort thing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/wholesomeconspiracy
ForgottenJoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/wholesomeconspiracy
ReddieRalph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally subbing to this.
Gsusruls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? Almost endearing.
Also, OP, how do you know that he doesn't simply miss you? This is his way of seeing you more often.
Hexapollo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a repost
shao_kahff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he means cutting it longer each time, as in keeping it longer than usual so he'd make more frequent visits
tara75 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 00:32:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a barber that has the street that we're on being torn up! This is so funny hahaha. I would never think to do it but I could totally see another barber using this technique. Also hair grows 15% quicker in the summer.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:01:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you cut people's hair 15% shorter in the summer to compensate?
simcowking ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:18:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just go 15 percent sooner to the barber. Or like a week early ever two months.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:21:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course that's what you'd recommend. Your shilling for big barber has been noted before.
tara75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah I do
appthrow1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you in Delft by any chance?
tara75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm in Ottawa Canada
skittlesfortiddles ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:57:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While possible, hair does grow faster and slower during seasons, hormonal bouts, stressful times, etc. I still like this though lol
stevanG10 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:52:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one smart barber
chinoz219 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:28:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe hes trying to give your hair good form, and each time he needs to cut less because its shaping up well. But its probably because money.
Yodlingyoda ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:59:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe you have a thyroid problem
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:38:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does thyroid problem make your hair longer after it gets cut??
Yodlingyoda ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:15:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, no but hyperthyroidism does cause increased metabolism which can lead to faster hair growth
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might explain why my fingernails are growing so fast since I started the synth
simcowking ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:17:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also your skin might be receding because you're dead.
quidam08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:20:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is everybody always ded here?
GreatestOfAllTime96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is the obvious answer
silly_vasily ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:26:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This road renovation phenomenon is very common here in Montrรฉal, and my actual theory is that because the mob owns most construction companies (this was proven in a public inquiry) they do this to run people out of business who refuse to pay "insurance"
TheSeattleite10 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:30:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This could be a Seinfeld plot.
Shufflebuzz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/RedditWritesSeinfeld
allofthemwitches ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:46:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced my hair colorist is doing less and less so I have to come in more and more. He just moved from a big salon to make his own with a few coworkers. It's freaking me out. You're not alone. I think about this multiple times a day.
Atoning_Unifex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i call that hairstyle "the comeback"
1one1000two1thousand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:15:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does it anger you or do you kind of sympathize?
mbelf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:54:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually:
"How would you like it done today?"
"Just the usua..."
"And we're done. That'll be $38 dollars."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me, the opposite.
My local barber spot has exploded in popularity in the last year or so. No idea how or why, I've been going there almost five years, and for the past year or so, they're literally booked out (every slot, every hour, every day) for a month in advance. Glad that they're doing well, but harder and harder to get in.
Last few cuts, the barber cut my hair WAY shorter than I asked- it still looked good, but he cut off like more than double what I asked. Talked to two friends about it, they said their recent cuts were really short too.
Seems like they might be deliberately cutting aggressively to try to keep the crowds more spread out. Get guys to come in every 6-8 weeks or something rather than every 4 weeks. That kind of thing.
riptaway ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cutting it...longer...
Is that like cutting a hole out of something?
Shufflebuzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I cut it three times and it's still too short!"
Robinziphood ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:53:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bro just tell him that you want it shorter wtf am I getting trolled? can't be serious
que_hora_es ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been noticing the same thing with my hair dresser (I'm a chick but I do have short hair) I tell her every single time that I want way more cut off than the last time but now it's just getting ridiculous. It might as well be a bob now.
Peil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah how does this guy get his haircut? "Hello sir, one haircut please". I ask for a one on the back and sides or a skin fade, I'm gonna know if he doesn't give me what I asked for!
CasuConsuIto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you meant he was taking his time more, not physical length
hoopajoop69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is your barber named Art? Because I have a customer that's a barber who recently had major construction on the street in front of his shop, and he's done nothing but tell me about how it killed business
buckeye2114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, a barber cutting hair too long for once? I wish I had that problem.
Vok250 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you me in an alternate reality? I just changed barbers because of this reason. And my barber also is on a road closed for construction all summer. And I also relate to your username.
Shackmeoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't cut someone's hair longer. Are you trying to say that he cuts less than the desired amount every time? If so, don't you look at the finished product before you leave his establishment? You comment really makes no since yet it's the top comment. I'm so confused right now.
ParadiseSold ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So maybe he normally leaves with a hair length of 3x, maybe x is inches or mm or something idk. Lately it's been closer to 3.3x or 3.5x. Meaning the hair gets scruffy a teeny bit sooner, making it a 2 week cut instead of a 3 week cut. Its not noticeable to the eye.
More likely op's hair is just growing fast right now
good_lurkin_guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon Cooper is that you
hcnye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just get everything sheared off, cue-ball style.
brotherjonathan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not technically a conspiracy unless his wife told him to do it.
LucyLilium92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My hair salons always always always cut my hair way too short. I don't think they want business.
irishpwr46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you in queens? I'm dealing with the same thing
PM_ME_YUR_BIG_SECRET ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take pictures after each hair cut and this should become obvious?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
mortalwombat- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is your barber Leroy?
WolfeBane84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't tell that you're hair isn't being cut to the same length than the problem lies with you, not your barber.
PrisonBull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except this is illogical. Logic would indicate someone who prefers a style of short hair or a clean shaven head would also continue to like that and thus go to his barber more frequently. When one has long hair, a month between cuts wouldn't make a difference as much as a shaved head.
AnnieL10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is odd, our barber is doing the same thing and the road has been torn up for some time.
weggles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give him an extra tip. My city did extensive construction and it was hell for businesses...
ijoju ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I learned recently there are two ways to cut the hair at the sides of your head. One uses clippers and comb and is basically your standard fade. The other uses scissors and fingers and is called Square Layers. Square Layers makes your hair seem like it's growing slower while a Fade makes your hair grow in bushier and seems like it's growing faster.
LEGITIMATE_SOURCE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a thing called a ruler
BeetSaIesman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro just buzz it.
maximus_96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you in GTA?
Th3assman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of this one
fritzhund ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mow a few yards in my neighborhood every week. When the weather has been dry I cut the grass higher so they will still need me to come back every Friday.
HerrXRDS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems one easy to prove theory with the help of a ruler.
splitcliffhanger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ever wondered if the Barber has a crush on you, and does it so you can visit the Barber often and this way gets to spend more time with you ? The fact that you keep going back, does not help the cause either.
pinkdildos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is by far the best one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Albuquerque?
this_guy_here_says ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he's not skimming off the top enough...
losian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last I knew businesses receive all kinds of monies for that kind of shit based on their expected traffic and lost income and such.. if he's losing money.. well, he shouldn't be.
Trying-to-survive84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sal's Barbershopโ in Western MA?
ABLovesGlory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell him to cut it right, and give him a bigger tip.
texacubacolomex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name of the shop please so we can make it official the same guys are doing it to all of us.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this about my barber as well. Except I think they cut the low part of the neck longer down the neck so that it will grow and irritate me sooner. Same thing for hair around the ears.
throwaway93_4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you could just ask for it shorter...
Pulp_Ficti0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is your barber Uncle Enzo?
Karl_Marx_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Could you cut it a little shorter."
Problem solved.
LewixAri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just ask him to cut it shorter when he's done, just go "yeah can I get a little bit shorter here and here" then just tip the dude like hell must be rough on business, I'm sure he appreciates your loyalty
WayneDaniels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How tight do you take your hair?
maniacal_wombat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I reading that right? Cutting it longer? How does your hair get cut.. longer?
Shalnar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to find a great barber, try getting him referrals! :)
toekneeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, if only there was a way to suggest your barber to cut a little bit more before he finished.
xvilemx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't live in Boulder City, NV do you? Same thing happened to my Barber. They tore up the street right in front of the place, and it's now just gotten fixed up, 4 months later. I get a 2 guard on the clippers, so it's easy for me to tell he's not cutting my hair longer, but that's not to say that wouldn't be a good tactic.
bdd4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure my previous eyebrow lady was doing this. Damn crooks.
shurdi3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just stop cutting it altogether.
Embrace the flow!
Cryse_XIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can you work in IT and have someone cut your hair? We only have two hairstyles. Long and weird or none.
ReZ-115 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck, that makes no sense and now I'm confused.
Phantasia5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CJ ?
I_Know_You_Dont_I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you don't I? We go to the same barber shop, next to the bakers right? That barber is a wholesome guy- I'm a regular too. I see a guy in there as frequently as I am getting his hair trimmed, just the other day, in fact, I was looking at the guy after the barber had finished and thought to myself 'that trim looks longer than usual'. Small world, maybe I'll see you in there in a couple weeks time, I'm the guy with the red scarf by the way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard of anyone cutting hair longer. I know what you mean but it sounds weird. Your barber is leaving your hair longer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me everytime i get my hair cut I'm pretty sure my receding hairline goes back further and further.
Footinthecrease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is true, not only does your barber have an insane memory, he also might be a genius.
bottomofleith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only man had invented some kind of short piece of some kind of material, maybe with units of measurement marked along it, that could be used to verify or refute this....
Perhaps in the future...
smellyguy74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am convinced mine cuts it too short just to comment on how quickly I'm balding - feels bad man. "Ohohohoho! How you so bald?! How?!"
HoTs_DoTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cutting your hair longer makes it sound like your barber is giving you extensions.
thewispo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Barber: "What do you want?"
BurnedOut_ITGuy: "They're digging the road up outside!"
Barber: "I got you fam!"
empireof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The place I get my haircut has a sickening level of road work in front of it as well. It's like a maze of orange barrels trying to navigate the intersection. I wonder if this theory holds any credence.
PmMeYourBitcoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:34 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Richmond
conceptionary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iiiiiiI would like to know thennnn why WISH.COM keeps trying to get me to buy weird penis shaped things and weird underwear with penis holes all over my stuff. I never say anything about these things and I also never listen to people who...use these things.
ParadiseSold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish shows more of what you click on. I fucked my wish all up by clicking on dumb shit like fidget spinners and weed grinders to show my husband to laugh at. Now it shows me products I don't want.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ParadiseSold ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Longer than last times cut, not longer than when he got here.
PM_ME_BOOBS_PLSS ยท 5124 points ยท Posted at 16:48:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the "PM_ME" accounts don't actually work. And everyone else is lying.
[deleted] ยท 5501 points ยท Posted at 20:16:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First day on this account someone sent me their pasta recipe with pictures. Just one person so far though. :(
Edit: fuck yea shower me in pasta baby keep em comin'
katmaniac ยท 875 points ยท Posted at 21:48:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Report back with how many pasta recipes you get today. (I'll send you one of mine a bit later.)
therestruth ยท 597 points ยท Posted at 22:20:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not asking for pasta recipes, he's asking for pasta gurls.
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 22:38:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like /r/SlimeGirls but with spaghetti? I can see that working out.
J0ckinjz ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 23:17:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do I even click on links anymoreโฆ
tacitry ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:40:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on a plane, what is it?
J0ckinjz ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:43:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's honestly exactly what it sounds likeโฆ girls made of slimeโฆ
tacitry ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:08:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Man, the internet is a weird place.
Could you imagine back in the old days trying to find others with that highly specific fetish?
PM_ME_PERSONAL_NUDES ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:47:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't find others, you just kinda jack off to it.
tacitry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:58:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, such is the lonely plight of the slime men, doomed to the abyss of solitude and slime gifs.
simcowking ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:44:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need to stop saving these subs for after work to click on. My backlog is huge...
thunderathawaii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:40 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must hurt going in
The_Lost_King ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:10:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't know about those?
J0ckinjz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm new to (using) Reddit. I'm learning too much too fast.
The_Lost_King ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:04:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I learned about goo girls way before using Reddit. I guess you just were never a part of the seedier side of the anime community.
Sarcastic_Asshole_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:55:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not something to be proud of.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 04:28:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Lost_King ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing a comma
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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evn0 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:16:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now your comma is in the wrong place.
MrAcurite ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:57:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't look at that link because my dad is right next to me and would see the images, but know that I'll be coming back to this comment
im_saying_its_aliens ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:08:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He probably watched you typed that...
pnandgillybean ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:49:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf is this why did I click this
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:20:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you know why
deSaltine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many new subs to a slime based porn webpage because of a person talking about how no one sends him pasta recipes.
What a world
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The future is now.
codenemesis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is awful how few posts that sub gets, even more so that I recognize like 75% of them.
Rumpel1408 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:32:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hade to search a bit, but 4 chan got you
https://i.imgur.com/sJ8BVNZ.jpg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think shadman drew one of those before..
Shlappz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm almost reminded of Pizza the Hutt from Spaceballs
Skwonkie_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:07:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone remember this woman ? She was allowed to wear a strainer on her head for her license photograph because her "religion" was pastafarian. Also, if you google pastafarian it seems to have taken off.
im_saying_its_aliens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, when I heard of it, it was some dude in Europe.
Would be neat indeed if it did take off.
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few people have done it.
deSaltine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been around forever, it's fantastic
The_Farting_Duck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:41:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ey bruh, you gonna pasta gurl when your done?
Natamba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't prove that.
therestruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want to bet on it?
JasePearson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was asking for Pasta, gurl.
HellaTrill420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a "pasta girl".
You know who you are you heathen.
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, that's a new fetish.
VageCheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was addressing the gurls to pm him some pasta
therestruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's open to interpretation. My takeaway is that pasta is universally loved.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:29:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get one too? I'll share any recipes I get!
katmaniac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just sent it your way, too!
drbluetongue ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:48:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? Iโll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and Iโve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and Iโm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Youโre fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and thatโs just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little โcleverโ comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldnโt, you didnโt, and now youโre paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. Youโre fucking dead, kiddo.
LX_Emergency ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that escalated quickly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly lost count , i have been replying to everyone that messaged me directly tho, let them know their efforts are not wasted, i am gonna be eating so much pasta the next few weeks
katmaniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, glad to hear it! I hope you like my recipe. :)
coralinn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:51:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm making some pasta later in the week. This girl will send you pasta pictures! Hope you like alfredo! ๐
ABLovesGlory ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:44:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/absolutelynotmeirl
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:19:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yea!
RequiemStorm ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:18:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever received creepy pasta?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but you can break my creepy pasta cherry
SailedBasilisk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any copy pasta?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:01:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the rest of us wing it when making pasta.
cookiesndwichmonster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sent a pasta recipe to a similar account once, theyโve since deleted their account though. Perhaps my pasta was so tasty they didnโt need any more recipes.
awhamburgers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I don't have a cute novelty user name, but I would be pretty stoked if you would pm me the tastiest pasta recipe too
whyyes-yesiam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, the girl at the end had me a bit confused as to your intent here....like, a pasta sculpture of a girl, or a girl covered in pasta, or like a weird sex thing....I mean, this is REDDIT.
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made this account today too! We share a cake day :D
Nobody has sent me a kitty or titties.
punmaster29 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope you don't get any impastas!
saxBroFive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I picture you naked, with strangers pouring pasta and sauce on you, while you dance. It's a strange image, but not an unwelcome one.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
saxBroFive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
going to make an account called "PM_ME_YOUR_PASTA_NUDES"
MacScot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:19 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My gf looves pasta dishes. I'm I'll you share some of yours so that I might impress her?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:08 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh man take your pick , I've tried about 6 of these so far and they've all been amazing.
http://imgur.com/a/pXLsM
https://www.bingingwithbabish.com/recipe/2017/2/20/il-timpano-inspired-by-big-night
http://hungryhundred.johnnyandemily.limarzi.org/2011/04/28-pasta-allarrabbiata.html
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/5541/hotsmoked-salmon-with-creamy-pasta-and-pine-nuts
Also /u/omgitsjo shared a very delicious recipe that i tried yesterday, it was great. copying from his PM :
This is my grandma's recipe, as passed down to me from my parents. Begin with Italian spicy sausage, at least 5 links. Add olive oil to a large pot and set to medium heat. Add the sausage immediately. Let the sausage brown on all sides, turning it regularly. Get it as close to burnt as you can without actually getting there. Add a 16oz can of tomato puree, a 16oz can of crushed tomato, and a tiny 4-6oz can of tomato paste. Add a half-bottle of wine and about 8oz of water. Cover (and I mean COVER) the surface in oregano. Add about a tsp of black pepper and a 2tsp of salt. You may need to add more salt later. Add chopped garlic. 1-4 cloves. Put the lid on the pot, but leave it ajar so that the steam will condense and drip back slowly while some of it escapes. Perform the following every hour for 6-8 hours: As the gravy boils down, add wine and water in 8oz steps to bring it back up. Do not add wine or water in the last 45 minutes of cooking. Add additional garlic, as garlic that cooks longer has a sweeter flavor and garlic that's less cooked has a more robust flavor. The combination of different levels of garlic makes it delicious. Bring water to a boil. Add pasta. Thin sauce means thin spaghetti. Thick sauce means thicker spaghetti. When the spaghetti is cooked, strain in a cauldron. Add one scoop of gravy to the receiving pot to keep the spaghetti from sticking. Alternate scoops of spaghetti and sauce. Eat.
MacScot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:45 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ZOMFG - I cannot wait to try that recipe in the bottom of your mail!
I have a great pasta recipe with lamb - I'll look it out and send it to you!
_sophia_petrillo_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really want some recipes?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea!
exn18 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:42:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna PM because you don't tell me what to do. With that said here's my favorite pasta dish:
-3 lbs chicken breast
-2 cans stewed tomatoes, not drained
-1 can diced, not drained
-can or small jar of kalamata olives, drained
-2 lemons, halved
-handful of basil
-2 or 3 tablespoons of butter
-6 cloves garlic, minced
-half handful of oregano
-2 cans artichoke hearts, drained
-third bottle of pinot grigiot. Cheap is OK, but not bottom bottom shelf
-2 cans chicken stock.
-third can beef au jus
-linguini
Flour and pan sear the chicken if you feel so inclined. Combine everything but the butter, artichoke hearts, chicken stock, and white wine. in a stewpot. Halve and squeeze the lemons. Bring to a simmer. Take the lemons out after 1 hour; squeeze them out, first. Lemon rinds add bitterness if you keep them in too long. Add the white wine. Simmer 1 more hour. Add butter and artichoke hearts. Salt to taste. Whisk in flour if you like the sauce thick. Simmer 30 more minutes. Let cool and thicken.
Cook linguini in chicken stock. Serve chicken dish over the pasta.
Modeled after chicken cacciatore, although that typically calls for a while or half chicken, not just the breast.
lmk what you think and/or what modifications you liked.
Credit to watching Gilbert cook this dish at Maxi's Bistro in Cleveland's Little Italy
tumsdout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get out of here you dirty liar! We are up to your tricks!
awesome357 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well Toki made you a macaroni murder lady, so you got that going for you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wowieeeee!
PM-ME-YOUR-1ST-BORN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky. So far no one has PMed me their ritual sacrifice.
PM_ME_GIFTCARDS_PLS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mine hasnt worked lol
moosewhite78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you at least try out the recipe? If so, how was it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did, it was really good, cajun chicken penne pasta!
moosewhite78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you send me the recipe? I love that dish....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the one! :) https://imgur.com/gallery/d3BRN
Th3assman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want pasta recipes too :(
PM_ME_UR_EGGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have gotten like 2 pictures of eggs.
I wish more people would send me pics of their eggs.
ur_labia_my_INBOX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welll. Some of us have better luck than others, I guess.
AL_DENTE_OR_NOTHING ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do u want it bb
Skiptoomyl0u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I make dope pasta not a gurl though?
Mccmangus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I desire your pasta wisdom
Cakepop40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, I gotchu
Heresmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is the most beautiful edit I've ever seen
HatMaverick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait are you a gurl that i am to pm my pasta to or are only gurls supposed to pm you their pasta?
PM_ME_UR_BANGS_GIRL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't gotten even one decent picture of a woman's bangs.
pm_your_asshole_gurl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow PM_MEs. I receive about a dozen buttholes a day
Shaynnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but hook me up with some recipes please??
PM_ME_ITALIAN_THINGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been saving this account for so long. I knew I'd meet my soul mate
Fruit-Viking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is my favourite edit of all time.
PM_ME_SOME_TOAST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually received a lot of toast
thenandz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
17 hours and no one took the easy joke? Guess I am obligated. Username checks out.
PM_YOUR_ISSUES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the broad reading of "issues" that people have taken.
I've gotten people that tell me depressing stories of the trials they face, the light-hearted complaints that are pissing them off, and pictures of their favorite magazines and comics.
It's a fun gambit to run.
PM_ME_AMAZON_DOLLARS ยท 605 points ยท Posted at 20:53:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten pictures of money :/
MiltonFine ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:24:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had an alt account with PM-Me... as soon as I had a post blow up, the PMs started coming.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:01:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell I didn't comment for about a month and BAM one comment 10 upvotes and 3 new games
PM_Me_Cheerios ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:06:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ain't got shit
FatalisCogitationis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw
Chirimorin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money from the Amazon area?
PM_ME_AMAZON_DOLLARS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even! Just dolla dolla bills
Chirimorin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a ripoff!
PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS ยท 512 points ยท Posted at 19:38:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm
Rios7467 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:15:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tends to help if you spell if right.
PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:28:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been ashamed of myself since the start :(
IndoorCatSyndrome ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No reason to be. You did what you wanted. You had an idea, did that idea, and now hundreds of people are aware of it. Applause to you!
GetJukedM8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cute puppy's what???? CUTE PUPPY's WHAT?!!??
IrrelevantLeprechaun ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:15:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 15 year old dog recently was gifted a camo sweater, if you want a look-see.
epistellarjovian ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:31:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...I want to see
Johnadams1797 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:59:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All doggos are puppers regardless of age.
ZJEEP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:18:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forget that guy! PM_ME_CAMO_SWEATER_DOGGO that shit
MyAlarmClock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:21:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/hmmm
amumumyspiritanimal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know for a fact you already got PM'd some puppy pictures
PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About 100!
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 19:49:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine works occasionally.
Roomba_Rockett ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:58:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please make a collection of Iroh quotes and share them as a collection, please!!! I've been wanting to do this for so long :D
pm_your_huge_chode ยท 595 points ยท Posted at 17:34:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do work, just mostly if you want to karmawhore comment karma.
pm_me_ur_goosebumps ยท 294 points ยท Posted at 01:26:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or read the goosebumps series
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And let's be real who doesn't
studentofsocrates1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:01:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys' names cracked me up. Thanks
adamrcarmack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
pingasthrowaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you share your collection of huge chodes with me please?
pm_your_huge_chode ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best one was some guy who sent a pic next to a tiny candy banana with the title "Banana for scale."
RandomStranger16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too.
AwesomeBantha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it's that guy from r/Stunfisk!
I've been out of VGC for some time but it's cool seeing friendly usernames once in a while.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, Taint, not choad, but Mr. Show fan?
PM_ME_U_SMILING ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 00:10:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're a pleasant surprise now and again.
RentalSuperhero ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:35:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your PM's are very wholesome.
PM_ME_U_SMILING ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
pm_me_horrormovies ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:20:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately you're right. I've only had 1 person pm me horror movies.
jaytrade21 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:41:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you just want the name of a horror movie? or the whole movie in AVI format?
pm_me_horrormovies ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:31:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name of movie.
jaytrade21 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:05:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out Superstition. An underlooked gem from the 80's. Cheesy at times, but has some legitimate scary scenes.
pm_me_horrormovies ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:33:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll check it out. Thanks.
bitches_love_brie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a PM, conspiracy confirmed.
iloveyoucalifornia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to go old school, check out Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed. Also, the original Tales From the Crypt movie from the 70s is really fun, although mostly cheesy.
turmoiltumult ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:11:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said Pm him you dimwit. Username clearly isn't working, op was right
iloveyoucalifornia ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:16:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smh
I_Am_Not_Phil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dracula 3000
It is like Alien but with Dracula and Coolio.
Combsy13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you prefer the more gory/torture porn type movies (Saw/Hostel etc) or more Psychological stuff? Or are you more of a slasher fan?
pm_me_horrormovies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any and all.
Combsy13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out "Oculus" then. It's a pretty good Psychological movie about a possibly haunted mirror that l's fairly good at having you question whether or not what is happening is actually what's happening.
debunkernl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MKV is where its at though.
jaytrade21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HVEC son....great quality in a very compressed codec
PM_ME_FAVOURITE_GAME ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:24:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works for me, have you tried turning it off and on again?
PM_ME_YOUR_SNOW_PICS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn I'll have to try that!
PM_TASTFUL_FEET_PICS ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:01:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
8 months. 0 feet pics
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 03:16:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A month. Probably 5 dicks, 6 constructions and 2 elections.
wardrich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice touch with the elections.
PM_Me_Anime_Feet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:04:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol even I've got more than that. My condolences
PM_TASTFUL_FEET_PICS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky fucker
GoldenWizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There just aren't any tasteful ones.
PM_ME_YOUR_SAMOYED ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:51:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine worked like twice, over a year ago. But nothing since :/
PM_ME_YOUR_SNOW_PICS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:23:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same! :(
wardrich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first doggo was a mix of Samoyed, Husky, and Wolf. He used to check on me when I was sleeping and helped teach me how to walk by letting me hold onto his fur. I was only 5 when he died from cancer, but he was such an awesome dog.
PM_ME_PREQUELMEMES ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:13:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine mine would work better if I posted on the appropriate subreddits.
JLake4 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:10:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello there!
DickieMiller77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup!
PM_ME_OODS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:58:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too
wardrich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are oods?
PM_ME_OODS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are Oods
wardrich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like vaginas stuffed with worms.
SailedBasilisk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
dlgn13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:27:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:( Can confirm, they don't work...
PM_ME_UR_MOM_BOD ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:02:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works for me.
Deadificator ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:37:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a sub
DominicVahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man. Don't hold out on us.
quantumango ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting hungry
Pm_For_boob_rating ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:35:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Still waiting for the 1st one
I_Am_Not_Phil ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:56:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll give your boobs a perfect score, a 5/7.
Pm_For_boob_rating ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:01:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But im a man
I_Am_Not_Phil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:33:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't make the rules.
BlinkedHaint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phil makes the rules.
Famzey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still 5/7 tho
PM_ME_UR_MOODS ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:04:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People tell me about their days or how they are feeling... i like to make sure that they feel that they matter. Even if its one fleeting moment at a time.
PM_ME_HANDSHAKES ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:12:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had this account for 2 minutes and not one single handshake
PM_Me_Buttery_Stuff ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:08:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've only gotten one. A big buttery ass pizza.
pm_your_grool_please ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really?
PMnudes4me ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:09:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't, nobody has ever sent me anything, not even dickpics.
PM-ME-D_CK-PICS ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:03:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about duck pics?
IndoorCatSyndrome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver
Iampizzaslice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true sad story
I_Am_Not_Phil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is about marketing. I see you have posted 3 comments over the course of a month. Gotta work for it.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:09:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get dachshunds every day
PM_ME_UR_SPANKED_ASS ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:10:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day, my friend, one day...
PM_ME_GARDENING_TIPS ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:54:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends what you mean by "work". I've had - I'd say - 2 handfuls of gardening tips so far, which is what I've asked for. On the other hand, my garden is largely unimproved in the same timespan. So my account hasn't yet yielded any long term benefits.
PMyouMooningME ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:55:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
twice
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:58:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totes works. It's not often for me but I also don't post often enough. It's pretty interesting to see when it does happen though!
PM_me_goat_gifs ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:44:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten a few goat gifs.
But thats not a theory about a conspiracy
otterfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know about r/goatparkour?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:36:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten a few kitties. I mean, not near enough, but a few...
PM_ME_YOUR_COOL ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:52:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people just PM me to correct my spelling, sad thing is I meant cool to be a noun as in a physical thing they could send. However, I like the idea that people think they're cool and take the username as a compliment so decide to PM me telling me I'm wrong, so it's a win-win I guess.
PM_ME_SQL_INJECTION ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:42:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
Doctor_Steve_Gates ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:39:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize this comment is gonna get you a bunch of PM's? For that reason, I think the real conspiracy is that you wrote this comment just to get some tits.
PM_ME_CLEAVAGE_PLZ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:01:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if you karma whore really hard it might work better.
PM_ME_YOUR_BALROG ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:37:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do. Kinda sucks for me bc every time it works I gotta go all Gandalf the Grey on their asses.
RudeMorgue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You dug too deep.
PM_ME_SEXY_GRAPHS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:14:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't had much success so far, but it is a new account so I still hold out hope!!!
Plz_Pm_Me_Cute_Fish ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 19:18:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/CuteFish It works.
EDIT: why is this getting downvoted, rofl?
EDIT: Nvm, I think it was downvoted for incorrect link before, lol.
DefiantTheLion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:18:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Subscribed
heiferwolfe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:02:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, have pm'ed this guy cute fish.
PM_dem_selfies ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:15:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, no selfies yet.
PM_ME_YOUR_SCHMEEBS ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:20:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been PMing selfies. You just didn't say who to PM them to, that's the problem.
PM_ME_YOUR_PATRONUS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:07:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you havnt been invited to the PM club then you wouldnt know...
ZAVHDOW ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:09:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/PMclub
PM_ME_CUTE_FLUFFERS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:29:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have yet to receive a cute fluffer of any variety.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:14:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually got sent a personal message from a trans showing me her penis. It was legit.
Pm_me_Pics_of_watevr ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:27:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
watevr dude
GoldenWizard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:37:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is "watevr" like an "alot?"
wardrich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/watevrguy12
pm_me_warm_pie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:07:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(S)He's on to something
PM_ME_YA_PETS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:41:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do :)
PM_ME_YOUR_SCHMEEBS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:18:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's true. Not one set of schmeebs in my inbox.
pm-me-ur-dank-maymay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can confirm
PM_DAT_SCAPULA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:04:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False. I have gotten two whole scapula pics.
PM_ME_YOUR_CHESTHAMS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:18:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes they do. You just need to be more creative.
PM_ME_PERSONAL_NUDES ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I've finally decided to make one so here's hoping
PM_Me_Your_MOCs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:32:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh, pretty true. Only been sent a single Lego MOC.
pm_me_norwegians ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two Norwegians have ghosted on me. It's entirely true :(
Pm_Me_Your_Boobs7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do work, but just rarely. Dont make an account like this and expect pics to be flooding in. Itll be maybe 1 in every 3 months. Probably better rates if you arnt a lurker like me.
PM_me_naturestuff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten stuff maybe four times, but I don't comment super frequently.
PM_ME_OODS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone has asked me if it works before but it has never worked.
PM-me-your-oatmeal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I've gotten--waaaaaait a minute I see what you're doing!
PM_ME_YOUR_MX5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would be correct. At least for me. Someone pls :(
_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you have to use a z in your name.
PM_ME_RAW_MEAT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've only gotten one so far. Mine isn't even that bad, I just REALLY like raw meat, is it so bad that I want to see it every second of every da... I think I have a problem.
PM_ME_YOUR_PMs_TO_ME ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I ask for so little.
PM_ME_UR_GFs_ASSHOLE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, they work.
pm_me_your_calc_hw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had one dude send me his differential equations homework.
It was really hard and I couldn't do it.
PMme_ur_grocery_list ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:42:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really know what I was expecting when I made this account. It was supposed to be just a joke to use as an alt, but then I ended up ditching my main account and using this one all the time. I receive grocery lists occasionally and it's actually quite fun. I get to chat with people about food. :0)
DistractedAutodidact ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds awesome
Pm_Me_Your_Worriment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have tried as well lol.
PM_ME_CHOKER_MEMES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed....... :(
PM_ME_ARIZONA_TEA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you need to stop. It doesn't work alot but not everyone drinks Arizona Tea while on reddit....
PM_ME_UR_PUFFY_NIPS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
pm_me_ur_foodpicz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one wants to play. :(
PM_ME_PRETTY_TITS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or do they? :o
PM_ME_LAME_ASS_PUNS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already received number of ass puns sine I made this account so they kind of worked
PM_ME_YOUR_BIG_LOAD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:27 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine worked. Except it's only resulted in me getting PM's from dickheads who think they're funny that contain a picture of an overloaded truck or a full hamper. Just show me your ejaculating penises, seriously!
gagnonca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, everyone who has one is 12
PMmeDBZpics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine sure hasn't worked yet.
PM_ME_THEM_UPTOPS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep
PM-ME-D_CK-PICS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that!
PM_ME_UR_KITTYS_PLS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten one picture.... so they kinda work
PM_ME_YOUR_SNOW_PICS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its true :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, I've definitely got some delicious pictures.
PM_PICTURES_OF_STUFF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going for a shotgun approach here. I'm interested in all kinds of stuff.
PM_ME_URBUTTHOLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't work. :(
PmYourFantasyAndPics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still waiting, but hey, it is the law of averages, right?
PM_How_To_PM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they totally work 10% of 1/2 the time
PM_CROCKPOT_RECIPIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here goes nothing :D
pm_me_your_buds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've only over gotten one picture of buds, and they were flower buds not weed. Although I'm not very active
Aperture_Theory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you did there...
pm_your_full_bush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i believe this one to.
PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
99% of people just PM me 'PM' - everyone thinks they're clever or maybe I'm simply asking for it. Who knows?
XenithTheCompetent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/PMclub
PM_ME_your_SMECKLES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First pic I got was a guys dick.....that's not a fucking smeckle
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have proof they work! Let me just sign into my alts!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try but I've received tons of pictures.
death_smells_funny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed looking at your comments and seeing that everyone mentioned boobs. That is consistency
PM_ME_UR_TITS_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you're wrong. . I've honestly received several
PM_ME_UR_CRUSHs_NAME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They work, I don't even post much yet I've gotten a few names, usually they tell me other things too like how they met the person or what they like about him or her.
iisbeingdylan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are they supposed to work?
PM_ME_UR_THROW_AWAYS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seconded
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only have one picture. Damn it
PM_ME_UR_SIDEBOOOB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm
PM_ME_CAKE_BATTER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sure wish they did! Not one cake batter. :c
PM_ME_UR_PAYPAL_PLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm.
ShiraCheshire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I PMed someone a picture of a rhododendron once.
PM_ME_UR_FEET_OR_BRA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll never work for me... too specific.
PMDicksInTinyClothes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody sends me dicks in tiny clothes :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know there's a whole sub for that? Lol I forget the name, but I remember some dude made a calendar.
PMDicksInTinyClothes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know! /r/cospenis is my favorite sub.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao
PM_ME_MESSY_BUNS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this seems accurate
PM_ME_WAT_YOU_PM_HIM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You and me both know that you're full of it.
[deleted] ยท 3882 points ยท Posted at 23:52:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1616 points ยท Posted at 02:30:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I always pack an empty water bottle in my bag and fill it at the water fountain after security.
Smoldero ยท 209 points ยท Posted at 03:53:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why don't more people do this?? water is free! it is of the earth!
k_princess ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:59:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh! Don't tell the airports that! They'll start wanting a quarter to run 5 seconds worth of water.
random-engineer ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:14:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, a number of airports are starting to put in free water bottle filling station to help out people doing this very thing.
tenkei ยท 207 points ยท Posted at 04:00:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weed is of the earth too, but we still pay a fuck load for that.
[deleted] ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 04:20:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mywordswillgowithyou ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 04:34:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and potatoes!
[deleted] ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 04:38:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:19:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow dude I spent like 5 weeks forging that and you're just going to dog me out with "its of the earth". You just lost yourself a smithy.
ozzy52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should pray to your God, Crom and if he does not answer, say "To hell with you!"
jkwan0304 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:20:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FIFY Plays epic sax guy music
the_federation ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:22:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, stop. Run that back. You can chop all night, but can you play that sax?
jkwan0304 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:24:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. But the 10hr epic sax guy music is just heaven.
nouille07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:08:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And avocado toasts
KoolDude214 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's a potato? /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, who's your potato guy?
mywordswillgowithyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idunno, I'll let you noise
RichardMyNixon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and molasses! if you want some, oh just ask us!
TerraPlays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username does not check out
quantumango ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:06:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
awwwww, mannnnnn
SadGhoster87 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a good idea but not for that reason.
all_copacetic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:27:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At my nearest airport there are no fountains only faucets in the bathroom. They only spray very hot water in two second burts. Sneaky bastards.
Smoldero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:25 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's messed up! Who wants to drink tiny amounts of hot water? That doesn't sound refreshing at all.
insomniac20k ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:23:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Public water fountains are grody
imminent_riot ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:59:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to find a gym fountain, even the fancy water bottle filler ones, that don't taste like lukewarm bathroom sink water.
sarahbubblebutt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:08:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dance studio water is of the Gods though
imminent_riot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:18:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow it sounds like it should be. Lean mean dancing machines in pretty costumes get piped in evian, sweaty mf in spandex get crusty sink water.
KonigSteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the ones at my gym are nice and chilled. But then again they just put them in because the entire place got flooded last year.
blissonance ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/8hsxO6394wU
Hellstrike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:42:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because places in Europe do not have water fountains. The only way here would be washroom sinks.
Theartofdodging ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:04:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you just use the sink? That's what I always do.
Hellstrike ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:27:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But people touch that with their pissy hands. The doors are bad enough but at least they don't go near my mouth.
NINE_HUNDRED ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:26:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you rubbing the bottle all over the taps?
thetarget3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
European airports' bathroom's typically have one sink with cold water specifically so you can fill your bottle.
WR810 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:52:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not paying for the water, you're paying for poor planning (and the bottle).
FKAred ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:27:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no amount of planning would enable you to skip security.
DaddyRocka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, but planning on bringing an empty bottle/water receptacle of any kind.
yourbrotherrex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:50:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water isn't free. Rainwater is, but drinking water is definitely not.
264011 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:49:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you actually can't collect rainwater without a permit, so no not even that is free.
Stooby2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:37:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF? You seriously need a permit to collect rainwater? Where do you live?
264011 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:15:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorry that was kind of a broad claim to make. it depends where you live. my home state says that it's legal, but my current state of residence has some sketchy laws about it that are essentially not enforced but collection is still illegal afaik.
Stooby2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they give a reason? I'm in the UK and we don't have anything like this.
pwny_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're fucking up your local water table depending on how much rainwater is prevented from entering the system.
It's one of those "no big deal if one person does it, but if everyone does it we're screwed, so we'll just be safe and ban it" sort of things.
Stooby2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone does it, you can buy water barrels (butts) to store it in. It's actually encouraged - use the water for gardening, washing cars with pressure washers.
This is England - we have more than enough rain!
I'm guessing you're in California ?
Rubberduc142 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NC. Here they claim the standing water will attract mosquito breeding, and therefore spread the diseases they carry. You know, cause the pond across from me doesn't.
yourbrotherrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not where I live.
crnext ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A better question is this:
Why are we hearing all these claims that water is in short supply? Are we trapping it in plastic bottles in landfills? Have we sent it to outer space?
Where is all the water going? It doesn't/can't leave Earth.
plasmidlifecrisis ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 06:06:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is that while there is a shit ton of water on Earth, a vast majority of it is really difficult to get to or not immediately drinkable. Like it's trapped in ice or has salt in it etc.
cryo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:36:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean water is in short supply. Where does it go? It gets dirty.
crnext ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:43:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. I understand the specificity of clean water.
Um, i thought your local water department treats it, to make it consumable. Right? Like (no comments pls) "fluoridation" and chlorination, etc.
I am seriously confused. "Clean" water comes from a source of water that is then chemically treated and purified, then distributed by a gigantic plumbing system to sections of towns, to individual streets, then to individual houses.
If they clean what we consume how is it tjat there isnt enough? Enlarge the facility, right?
Dont hate on me for wanting to understand better peeps. I am asking legit questions, here.
Kelgand ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:59:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Southern California, so I can use us as an example as it is what I am most familiar with. It is really expensive to clean dirty water. We do have plants to do so, and making more is always an option, but it costs a lot of money to do that. There is a lot of treament that has to be done to remove bacteria, non-water liquids, physical debris, etc. Everything that isn't water has to be removed from it and put somewhere.
What we normally do is take our water from the ground. The natural aquifers have really clean water already, but the problem is that it takes a reeeeally long time to replenish them. I think I have heard a few thousand years to fill back up what we have used in recent times? This is a big part of the "short supply" people talk about. There is only so much rainfall making clean water naturally, and SoCal has had a huge shortage of rain over the last several years. The water that is easy and cheap to process to the standard of "clean" is in short supply.
We won't run out, someone will spend the money to make water treatment or desalination plants before we end up at zero available water for everyone. However, as long as we have access to enough (and I use that loosely, as we have been asked to cut back on our usage for the last 15 years) cheap clean water for our current use, no one will want to pay for the plants. Thus, a continuous period of running out.
octopusdixiecups ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:15:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kills me is everyone acts like California having no water is somehow surprising???
Like it's a fucking desert. An actual desert with almost no humidity and no rainfall. This isn't a new thing. It has always been a desert. They should have built a desalination plant years ago. All of the desert dwelling countries in the Middle East use desalination plants.
Kelgand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:23:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Not only a desert, but more than one person decided that they should grow crops in it, too. I get that the soil could be good, but then the export should have been topsoil and not food.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably easier to move water than dig up and move topsoil
leiphos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not all places on Earth have fancy water filtration systems and widespread safe plumbing.
crnext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so fuck me for being born in the first place, right?
Like I had any damn choice in the matter. I guess next you're also gonna call me water-priviledged? Like that's my fault, too?
I guess i should be ashamed of the things my country did long before I was born so that i could enjoy things like running tap water. /s
Arizona94 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:26:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also freeze a bottle of water and get it through security as a solid
Darkraze ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 04:38:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about you but i would rather arrive on time and buy a bottle than arrive 12 hours early so my bottle can thaw
anonymoose_octopus ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 04:56:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How... how long do you think it takes ice to melt?
delecti ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 05:06:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How quickly do you think you're getting to the airport and through security?
altrsaber ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:22:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That depends, did I remember to use an enema to expedite the cavity search?
Darkraze ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:25:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sure hope so! I couldn't imagine air travel without my enema!
anonymoose_octopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about elsewhere, but at my local airport I've never spent more than an hour in line. But that may just be me.
delecti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't see how you can argue both that the ice will stay solid for long enough to get through security, but also that the ice will melt quickly after you get through. It just seems like a really silly balancing act when you could just bring an empty water bottle.
anonymoose_octopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing either of those things, haha. Just that 12 hours for ice to melt was a bit extreme.
jonsboc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:11:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the whole idea of freezing your water is that it would still be "solid" when you get to the security checkpoint. and it would take a couple hours to melt a full bottle of water (unless you microwave it etc...). that was the point OP was trying make.
but that's besides the point because they wouldn't even let you bring frozen liquid past checkpoint.
anonymoose_octopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just figured it only applied for long plane journeys, like the 8-9 hour ones. It makes sense they wouldn't let you pass with frozen water though, lol. Should have figured that.
DiddyKong88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If...if you arrive at security with a frozen-solid bottle of water, it is going to take a long time for you to harvest water from it in the terminal - unless you plan on drinking just a sip every 15 minutes.
The 12 hours was an exaggeration.
anonymoose_octopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I totally got that. It was just an extreme one. It's moot anyway-- water frozen or liquid can't make it past security. I think everyone misunderstood my tone, anyway. I was just fooling around. Sorry to have stepped on so many toes!
DiddyKong88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:23 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah we used to take big jugs of frozen water into the college football stadiums. Even on a hot day, it would take a long time to melt!
Dark_Vengence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:23:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you really? You can kill someone with frozen water.
Sobotkama ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:53:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can kill someone with your hands. They shouldn't allow hands on airplanes!
Dark_Vengence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you like to exaggerate. Good for you.
KonigSteve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:27 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're actually suggesting not allowing any hard objects that COULD be used to bludgeon someone?
Dark_Vengence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:13 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They ban liquids so wouldn't they ban frozen liquids? It doesn't make sense.
northbathroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this and really want to see a YouTube video of someone trying it on the TSA.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:37:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is illegal to film airport security agents doing their work (in many countries - cant say for all)
Probably on the account of all the ball touching.
leiphos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called fondling.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:32:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't tell them then they'll find a reason to ban empty water bottles!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:34:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, it's too late!
Jewfangled ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:59:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an empty camelbak on a carabiner hanging from my belt loop when I walk up to security. I wear it everywhere else, why shouldn't I fly with it? I make eye contact with as many people as I can, as a way of showing that I won't be dominated.
And then I have to explain Magic: the Gathering cards to them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the spirit!
SmithIsLit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
8 hour flight tomorrow, thanks for the tip!!
johnnypayphone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:46:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the life hack from Defcon about how you get to lock your luggage if you just fly with a gun in each bag?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No actually, but I'll keep that in mind for my next trip. Somehow one thing always goes missing from my check-in.
TabbrisAverayus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:32:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then all that extra water makes you so wet that you have to buy salty peanuts to suck up the moisture, the airport always wins
cambo666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:18:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the smartest person I've ever not met.
LuluWantsYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A life pro tip right there.
emu90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that pro level? Seems more like common sense.
plasmidlifecrisis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:08:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're just a natural-born pro at life.
Draskuul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LAX now has water fountains specifically made to fill bottles like this. Nice addition. It's a cubby in the wall near the regular fountains with a dispenser nozzle at the top.
jmcshopes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it's maybe different for domestic US flights, but every time I've flown, it's been a ban on containers more than that size, not just the liquids.
exonwarrior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:53:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not many non-US airports have those though. In the past 6 months I've flown through Dublin, Birmingham, Munich, Paris, many others. None have had fountains that I can recall. And I always search for them.
mobysan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:21:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fountains are not really common in Europe. But then, tap water is very strictly regulated here (stricter than bottled water, actually), so you don't really need a fountain; you can just use the sinks in the bathrooms. It's what I always do, and I've never gotten funny looks or anything.
PabloDX9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manchester does.
SalAtWork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hardly even pack it. Just make sure it's empty when you put it in the bin before it's scanned.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy flies
Monkeyfeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is water bottle and water foundation industries scam then!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree because having a water bottle is not exclusive to being at an airport. Most people have them to begin with, and you can always get a discount.
random-engineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, a number of airports are starting to put in free water bottle filling station to help out people doing this very thing
saltyPunks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real tip is in this comment
Abiogeneralization ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to down a liter of water to keep my Nalgene before my last flight!
Nastapoka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you hate America?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain?
schlubadubdub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever watched people using those water fountains then you'll never want to use one again. People and germ-riddled kids put their fucking mouths right on them
HoldTheCellarDoor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy flies
superezfe ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:10:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you explain that TSA provides water drainage areas and encourages bottle re-use now?
madethiscuzihadto ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:51:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water isn't the only drink that comes in a bottle
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:23:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but it's the only thing worth drinking
empire_strikes_back ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:32:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shampoo?
throwaway93_4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you going to wash your hair on the plane? just put it on the registered luggage
1b8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:08:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who said anything about washing hair?
throwaway93_4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...what exactly do you use shampoo for???
greyjackal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever flown international with someone like AA? You can't guarantee your luggage will arrive at the same airport as you.
ctilvolover23 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:11:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why keep flying with them then?
picklas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if your luggage really gets lost in that slim chance, buy new shampoo lol...
LawnShipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sun screen makes your head all..."bluaaagh" too, it's a hell of a trip.
boredyboredbored ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can take shooters through security in a zip lock bag. I do it all the time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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boredyboredbored ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true, I know. Doesn't mean I can't have a jack and coke while I'm waiting for my flight
altrsaber ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:58:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incompetence? The TSA fails horribly at it's supposed job, failing 95% of security check tests, so it stands to reason it would fail at it's secret conspiracy job too.
TenSnakesAndACat ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 03:01:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it's probably two things in my opinion. Well, one of them is true. I do think that the whole "Selling overpriced water" is one thing but also to make people believe they are safe from terrorists
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 03:57:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The TSA has been shown to be purely security theater. There are things that actually make us safe, and there are things that make something look safe. People prefer the latter.
Inanimate_CARB0N_Rod ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:50:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too watch Adam Ruins Everything
Hypernova1912 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:18:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, some of it is. They actually have some good tech, and it would be several orders of magnitude more effective if the people operating it were actually competent.
Psudopod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real believable conspiracy theory is always in the comments.
archetech ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:28:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are all comments.
Psudopod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:12:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deeper in the comments.
jennz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:40:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a terror plot discovered in 2006 at Heathrow where liquid components to make explosives were smuggled in using soda bottles. That's why the rule was imposed on the first place. Whether it's still necessary is up for debate.
TheMillenniumMan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:07:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had my refillable Gatorade bottle thrown away when I tried to get on a plane in Vegas. They wouldn't let me walk straight out the door (30 yards and in line of sight) and dump out my water without going through all the security nonsense again. Instead they just threw my dangerous Gatorade bottle into the trash right next to everyone in the security line. Doesn't seem like a safe move.
Wiki_pedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't you just drink it all right then? I've had to chug 500 mL at once before, so I could keep the bottle.
TheMillenniumMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I asked and they wouldn't let me. Makes zero sense.
greyjackal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing (ie an event) prompted the shoe removal thing. Thankfully that's dying out.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:06:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, all liquids weren't banned, just the size. So if you were really determined, it wouldn't be too difficult to just smuggle that same stuff through, just in more tiny bottles. Like others have said, I think it's more the illusion of safety than a real prevention
LawnShipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a limit to how many small bottles you can carry. Been a while since I've flown and I always traveled light, but I can remember having to take a tally of my little liquid containers.
CanadianBurritos ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 02:02:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is no conspiracy, it's straight-up truth.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:29:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it isn't, because in some airports, like Dublin, you can get free water. You can also bring an empty bottle and fill it up afterwards.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TSA is specifically referring to America
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No-one said TSA.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit. Guess that shows how low I think of TSA. Sorry!
today2day ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:43:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pack a sealable bottle and put in carryon. Fill at the water fountain.
LawnShipper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:44:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ew, city water? But that's got chemicals in it and it's not rated 5 Star GMO Free All Natural Vegan Cruelty-Free water!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:15:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You joke, but some of us live places where the municipal water tastes like pool water. No exaggeration. The tap is just not the first place we think of when we're thirsty.
Eversor_Regalis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:39:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Airport security guy here! The reason for the "no larger than 100ml containers" is quite simple. To elaborate, the rule accepted by TSA is as follows:
No LAGs (Liquids, Aerosols, Gels) unless in containers of 100ml or less. Said containers must then be placed in a transparent (plastic usually) bag with a volume of 1L or less. Only one bag is allowed per person." The 1L bag ensures that you can't bring sufficient amounts to create a powerful bomb.
This rule was put into place after there was an attempt to blow up a number of airplanes some years ago which was just discovered by chance. (someone was clearly doing their job though)
There are exceptions to this rule, such as baby food and liquid medicine which is then promptly scanned for traces of explosive materials.
And to those that argue that it's all just a show, put on to make the common passenger feel safe, I encourage you to bring a sharp blade longer than 6cm (the maximum allowed) and see what happens. No system is perfect and there will always be prohibited items that make it past security but people are less likely to attempt it if there is risk involved.
The people that claim airport security is useless tend to forget that they will be stuck with ~200 strangers in an aluminium can at 30000 feet for the next 6 hours. I for one feel safe the likelyhood of an armed person with ill intentions is astronomical.
arvs17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. Well funny thing is in Singapore, once you go to your boarding gate, they will ask you to throw liquid away. Right after the inspection, you can refill your empty bottle from the water fountain.
nznsbakansu3e ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:09:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't think so nitrate solutions which are the base for explosives would be really easy to dilute in water and pass by TSA and create a homemade bomb in a bathroom or something. To add to that, think that you can dilute anything into water and make it undetectable let it be drugs or explosives
Yourstruly0 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:27:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can do this with three smaller bottles in a quart sized bag, as well. Those things don't necessarily require a large bottle.
l0calher0 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:13:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quit giving people ideas.
LawnShipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ftfy
Yourstruly0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, bare with me.
Heavily bearded Osama type, making an instructional video for Islamic radical terrorists. First he holds up a regular sized bottle. No! Shakes his head as a red X appears over it. Then, a la Patrick, he gestures to take the liquids and put them HERE, in these three smaller bottles! Two thumbs up, fully clothed virgins dance onto the scene, victory is achieved. Then you blow up.
P4DD4V1S ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I understand it, that is actually just a security show, it doesn't actually do anything to make anyone safer, but it does make people directly feel that security actually does something. I mean look, they kept you from taking your 500ml shampoo bottle onto the plane, who knows how many bomb ingredients have they confiscated this way?
Hoju64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one thing I love about the Dublin airport. They have kiosks that sell "Plane Water" It is a 16 oz bottle (or whatever the metric equivalent is) and they are sold for 1 euro each. The best part is it runs on the honor system and you just put the euro in a money slot. Cheap water, no waiting.
Piratian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The TSA literally does nothing. This has been proven multiple times, when people can get just about anything past them if they put any amount of effort into it. They're called Security Theater by a lot of people, because they put a lot of show into being safe but are really just acting like they do something.
Player_17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a job program.
_ScreeN_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one is just obviously 100% true.
chrischm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pack empty plastic bottles or metal refillable ones and fill up water from water fountains
ka8778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think elaborate is the right word, but this definitely is a thing. Same for movie theaters.
joe1up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd believe that. It's mostly security theatre though.
FluffonStuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even give it that much weight. It's just a stupid attempt at making themselves look useful by saying, "No, we swear, this is tooootally a thing that has to be stopped. Super dangerous."
P4DD4V1S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I understand it, that is actually just a security show, it doesn't actually do anything to make anyone safer, but it does make people directly feel that security actually does something. I mean look, they kept you from taking your 500ml shampoo bottle onto the plane, who knows how many bomb ingredients have they confiscated this way?
craiger_123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bring a stainless hydroflask filled with ice. Just before I go through TSA I drink any melted ice water so there's just ice inside it. If it's just ice it goes through.
This allows me to fill it up inside and have ice cold water!
mrs_shrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that at first it was security but now it to help reduce weight therefore use less fuel therefore save money. Same applies for dimensions of your bags, it's to keep things small therefore cheaper to transport.
kebabwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the TSA is a massive scam for tax dollars. Have they ever actually caught anyone?
ocultada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That and duty free liquor.
Brohannes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine it's an attempt to prevent smuggling drugs
Palladog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried this once, but they forced me to toss it. SCAM, I TELL YOU!
DaAvalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Luton Airport they used to let you carry empty water bottles and then fill them with clean water from water fountains right after the security check. They renovated and I haven't seen it since though. I think I've been to other airports that have something similar
VehaMeursault ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes less volume than half a toothpaste tube to pack enough explosive to wreck a plane mid-flight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, you can get free water in Dublin airport.
d3m0nwarri0r320 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 100% with you.
I just returned from a flight a few days ago, I forgot about this stupid rule and bought 4 bottles of Lipton iced tea (because it's amazing) and had to throw most of them away. After I passed security there was a coffee shop selling some other garbage iced tea made by a major company.
shc86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there's so many free filling stations on the other side...
WAR_TROPHIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or to reduce dead weight brought on the plain. This also account for high luggage prices
gyakya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was stopped for having too much juice with me (there is like a 200ml limit), so I drank the juice right in front of the security guy. Like, it's still iny my body.. If I can literally just puke out whatever I drank right after what difference does it make?
RedRedditor84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is more about the perception of security. They have rules like this that if you don't think about it too hard then it makes it seem like they're doing something useful. It's the same as putting devices in flight mode. If it was really dangerous then they'd be controlled like dynamite is.
HobbitFoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were happier about attaching name to a ticket at purchase.
2Kou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So one thing I really wanted to bring up and to let TSA (if they look at this sort of crap) know they should really check thoroughly.
2 weeks ago I passed through TSA (I was heading out the USA), and right before I passed through the metal scanner, they called me out and said I had water in my bag and I had to take it out.
I, so sure there wasn't any water in the bag said, "Yea sorry I got no water in the bag."
They passed my bag a second time and viola, it went past.
It's been 2 weeks and I'm currently in Okinawa when I was trying to find my usb adapter when lo and behold what do I find?
A half full bottle of water I had forgotten about from a month ago.
HoTs_DoTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, yeah...ever go to a concert or sporting event? you can't bring in water. its not because it could be alcohol...its so you have to pay the place you're at to drink.
xMidnightMandyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freeze your water it will count as a solid and they can't take it away
saxBroFive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so yes, but actually no. Mutually inclusive does not give rise to cause and effect yo.
HearingSword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must be your airports. At my local (Glasgow) there is a Boots that is still fair priced. Any airport I've travelled through (all European) there have been fair priced shops there as well.
icypops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some places have "honesty boxes" for water though. Like they'll sell water for like โฌ1 a bottle but just have a box to put your money in rather than having to deal with queuing and paying at a till.
harlemrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the last time I went through the airport, they did a second security check at the gate, and made me throw out the drink I had just bought after security for the flight!
CliftonForce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pure Security Theater. Something visible to look reassuring.
It actually started when there was a rumor of terrorists planning to blow up a plane by sneaking bottles of pure Hydrogen Peroxide on board. Not the 3% stuff you buy in drugstores- pure. Which is ridiculous. The stuff is so unstable that they'd likely blow up or dissolve their car while parking at the airport curb.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a all or none scenario. Sure we could have TSA check everyone's liquids, but that would end up in a lot of wasted time and arguments. Easier just to say no liquids over 4 oz.
Account_Admin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:43 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Two three ounce bottles of the right chemicals can mix to make a plenty powerful explosion. The size limit doesn't really mitigate the threat tbh
Aussie-Nerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:19 on November 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason for the no liquids is because a terrorist in 2006 tried to blow up a plan with liquid explosives.
See wiki.
funkymunniez ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's born from an actual terrorist attack called the bojinka plot. Places that have captured markets always jack up costs - movie theaters, theme parks, etc
wolvern76 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a reason why balloons pop at high pressures, outwards and not inwards. Even the slightest decompression inside the cabin of an airplane means that all containers will automatically lose the constant air pressure they had on the outside, allowing for expansion on the inside.
Basically, if 3 is on the outside, 2 will stay on the inside. But if that 3 becomes a 1, 2 will break out. Therefore, it as an extreme precaution that all liquids should not be a 2, but instead be equal to 1, so to make sure it never breaks out whatsoever in the off chance that 3 does become a 1.
However, those airport shopping stores can go f*ck themselves
greyjackal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that's complete bollocks because you're buying replacement water in the airport, not at 35,000 feet.
wolvern76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See: Last sentence
mywordswillgowithyou ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 04:33:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you please place your seat in an upright position? We cannot take off if your seat is at a 91 degree angle instead of the 90 degree take off position.
To me this is utter nonsense and control tactics at its most petty. The only person it ends up inconveniencing is the person behind you.
octobertwins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:02:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's to keep the aisles clear. What u talking bout?
mywordswillgowithyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly. I never heard a rational reason why an inch movement on your chair, forward or back, made any bit of difference during take off.
CynicalEnigma ยท 12443 points ยท Posted at 16:07:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The UFO conspiracy is a government conspiracy.
Project Bluebook was a real program in which the US government purposefully made UFO sightings appear to be a government cover up. In actuality the UFO sightings were of the B-2 bomber, F-117 and other experimental aircraft. The military used the UFO sightings to cover up the development of these aircraft.
I believe this program never stopped and the government loves the idea of UFO and Alien conspiracy because it makes the government appear more powerful while simultaneously misdirecting the public.
Edit: for clarification
I definitely misspoke when referring to the B-2 and project blue book. It would have been the SR-71 that was being covered up. UFO reports were indeed made when the B-2 was being tested at area 51. The military didn't actively perpetuate those sightings the same way they did with the bluebook, just let them continue.
Also, a lot of people are recounting their personal sightings of UFO's that defy physics etc. While some of these I would maintain could still be military aircraft by no means am I saying all UFO's are explainable. I'm talking specifically about the idea that the government has found, made contact with aliens and reversed engineered their spacecraft. I would wager that the governments of the world have marginally more knowledge regarding true UFO's than the average citizen.
Ganglebot ยท 2926 points ยท Posted at 18:55:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also what I believe.
In addition, they know a certain segment of the population will hunt out conspiracy theories. The government actively engage these people with exciting, fantastic and sexy stories of alien space wars, alien-human hybrids living among us, and secret space programs. These keeps the conspiracy types occupied and out of their hair for real secret programs (which are not fantastical in anyway).
tacodepollo ยท 1736 points ยท Posted at 20:57:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading a story, or watching a docu somewhere about this. There was a guy who was certian he had observed UFOs somewhere in the US southwest. He let someone know, and one day the government showed up. Asked him all about it, he told them everything he knew. They confirmed everything he said. He was in fact communicating with aliens and whatnot, and should keep studying them and reporting his findings to them.
The truth? The gonverment had been testing helicopters in the night. These are the lights he'd seen and radio signals he heard. They wanted to deligitimize him. Make him look crazy. It worked. No one ever believed him after this.
This works for many reasons and is a clever tactic.
scrignutz ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 03:52:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paul Bennewitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz was this guy. Weird story, involving rumored alien bases (in Dulce NM) and cattle mutilations. An Air Force intel officer claimed to have fed this guy a bunch of invented UFO lore.
Davidjufo ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 04:37:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, the government really messed with him badly. Kinda ruined his life and sanity. They feed him as much conspiratorial ufo disinformation as they could. Really messed him up. My recollection is that the agent who befriended him, used him ( for no obvious purpose at that point) and feed him the information which subsequently caused his breakdown, has no remorse for what he did. Nice.
Sphen5117 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:15:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hooray, governments that respect their citizens!
MuzzleBlast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:27:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh similar to Bob Lazar Iโm sure.
scrignutz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lazar is a minor scam artist, although I know lots of people who believe he was originally fed some nonsense to feed back to the UFO cultists. Bennewitz, by all reports, was a total innocent with a somewhat fragile personality who was trying to do the right thing and was basically led to insanity by a rogue USAF counter-intel jerkoff.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:11:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. And this no doubt was a driving force behind the whole alien abduction/government conspiracy craze that was so popular back in the 80s and 90s. We probably wouldn't have had shows like the X-Files if not for this.
Ganglebot ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 23:41:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's called Gaslamping
Croutons957 ยท 179 points ยท Posted at 00:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gaslighting but yeah.
PeriodicGolden ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 01:56:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to correct you (and I was sure you were right) but the other guy was right, it's gaslamping: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslamping.
/r/mandelaeffect
Croutons957 ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 02:15:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhh very clever, took me forever to realize.
Dangermommy ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:32:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pure evil genius at play.
Rubykscube ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 02:51:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'm missing something? Cause the link takes you to the wiki page on Gaslighting...
AwakeSeeker887 ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 03:18:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're gaslamping you man
Rubykscube ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:53:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well played, indeed.
marshal_mellow ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:46:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
check again you're crazy
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:19:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thenandz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:27:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh so, fuck. Which is it?
marshal_mellow ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:30:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's gaslamping.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:23:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gaslamping
Thorimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gastorching
Theundead565 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:31:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's gaslighting.
dmizenopants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been gaslamped
Smarag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:01:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
both
_4b3_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes.
marshal_mellow ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:50:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you actually edit the gaslamping page? Thats commitment to the bit man.
HardlightCereal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah he made the link false.
goo_goo_gajoob ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:14:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow today I learned.
ONLY_DRUNK-WHEN-POST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toe mater
TerraPlays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're evil.
marshal_mellow ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:36:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's called gas lamping
rouge6 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:27:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually gas stoving
marshal_mellow ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:30:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No thats actually a common misconception and if you would just pay attention for once in your miserable life you'd know that.
rouge6 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:48:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually gas
marshal_mellow ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:49:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslamping
rouge6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually gassing
czar_the_bizarre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're thinking of Sylvia Plath.
Ralphus999 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're crazy
marshal_mellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslamping << am i crazy? or are you crazy
Ralphus999 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:59:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I know I'm crazy.
marshal_mellow ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 04:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok but in all seriousness it's called gaslamping. someone made a 2nd wikipage to spread confusion.
Krillo90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called gaslighting after the play Gas Light and the 1944 film version. Good film.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honeydicking
LongDickOfTheLaw69 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:05:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the exact plot of an episode of the Golden Girls.
modestmillennial ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:56:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe you are the government trying to cover up the fact that those were really UFOs 0o
ericwphoto ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:44:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mirage Men
folksingingrobot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:32:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happen to remember the name of the documentary or story? This is fascinating.
newnameilostoldname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A comment a few up says it's a guy named Paul Bennewitz as the guy it happened to
blackbirdpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hypernormalization by Adam Curtis has a section detailing such events.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing about people who claim to see UFO's and especially when they claim they were abducted. Everyone thinks they're nuts. I think if I ever saw anything I couldn't explain I would never mention it.
Rapturesjoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:17 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he also end up having a mental break?
hikerfag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they didn't really much other than broadcast that man's delusions. No person totally soundv of mine would go straight to aliens. Most of us would realize it was an unfamiliar aircraft. So the government didn't make him seem crazy- He was crazy.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:52:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:03:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell you feel very strongly about this documentary
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. I just believe it's accurate and we need to bring peace to the planet.
blackxxwolf3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:35:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it didnt change my mind i want gold. edit: okay maybe im lying, i didnt watch it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He seems much crazier if the agents never show up at all. Whoever thought of this is an imbecile.
blackxxwolf3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:34:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he cant prove agents ever showed up. all he can prove is a couple of men showed up in suites talked to him and left. (could be any number of religions out there that did it and thats assuming anyone even noticed)
CynicalEnigma ยท 613 points ยท Posted at 19:10:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wholeheartedly agree except for the programs not being fantastical. I would wager that some of these programs might have technology that sounds fantastic, albeit based in reality.
superkp ยท 606 points ยท Posted at 19:49:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a cracked article maybe 10 years ago of all the weird (unclassified) weapons that they had.
One was literally a pain ray. Like it made you feel like your skin was on fire. It could be blocked with a normal piece of plywood or a mattress, but then your hands are still wrapped around the sides and you drop your barrier.
After something like that what would they have that's still classified?
psm510 ยท 552 points ยท Posted at 20:08:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That weapon was on the history Channel. It looks like a large TV satellite that you point at people to boil the water under their skin or highly irritates them somehow. It was supposed to be used to get rioters to disperse
ATL28-NE3 ยท 215 points ยท Posted at 23:48:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that thing. Microwave emitter right?
[deleted] ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 01:01:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FattySnacks ยท 180 points ยท Posted at 02:58:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are quite different
Teledildonic ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:41:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, the bomb goes away.
TsarWhores ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:18:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, the bomb goes off.
Would-wood-again2 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:46:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eh, 50/50 chance, good enough for me!
UndeadFetusArmy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:27:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From far away? Meh, not really. If your on top of them? Literally life or death.
FishFloyd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'd argue that detonated is actually a subcategory of disabled
rothbard_anarchist ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:44:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Detonates? Ouch.
kyebosh ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:00:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems counterintuitive, but that's how IEDs or other ordinance is dealt with. Why risk a technician's life to defuse when you can use $50 worth of boom to reduce the whole problem to dust?
the_number_2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More fun, too!
captain_zavec ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:38:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as IUDs at first and was thoroughly confused
saolson4 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:46:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Catholic church has really taken it up a notch!
im_saying_its_aliens ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:02:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for fucks sake let's hope r/oldpeoplefacebook doesn't get wind of this
Shin280891 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:25 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ZEDs?
Whalez ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:47:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing a similar riot prevention weapon that uses sound waves. Like how a laser emits light in one concentrated beam rather than disperse it 360ยฐ like a lightbulb. It emits a sound wave that can only be heard if it's pointed directly at someone. And the sound is apparently so strong it will drop anyone in a couple seconds. Don't think this one is top secret though because they visited the HQ of the company that created this thing and tested it out.
Dangermommy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:34:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't this just happen with a couple of diplomats in Cuba?
Edit: https://www.livescience.com/60110-how-sonic-weapon-might-work.html
Killer_Tacos ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:12:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar. what /u/Whalez is talking about is a concentrated sound cannon with audible sound that's just super loud. It's called the LRAD and in use by some police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMyY3_dmrM for crowd control (riots, etc.). What happened in Cuba is that the Cuban gov't is accused of using a sonic weapon (that is not heard in the human range) to deafen diplomats working on the island. Because the diplomats couldn't hear the super loud & constant sound, they didn't know their hearing was being damaged. This is much more nefarious and damaging than using the LRAD for crowd control.
matticans7pointO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was on the same episode they were talking about actually. I think it was meant as a deterrent against pirates.
Alan_Smithee_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:31:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Conditions have to be perfect, though. I remember it being demonstrated to journalists on a rainy/drizzly day, and it had no effect.
Kradget ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something like that. I saw it described as a millimeter-band device, too. I always wondered if/how they got around giving people cancer with the damn thing.
GeneralASNYH ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:05:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like the one stolen from Wayne enterprises
Araziah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:15:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millimeter waves. Similar.
Rayquaza2233 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like the one Wayne Enterprises just misplaced.
rf-engineer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millimeterwave emitter. I think W band.
superkp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:44:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes. in an article with like a plasma cannon and a few other things.
kebabwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have to be. Microwaves agitate the water in cells to heat up food. You send that at someone the water in their blood, skin, muscles and fat would basically start boiling.
payperplain ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 00:30:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is 100% real and was developed to be used in Iraq and Afghanistan to detain people without having to shoot at them. I don't recall ever seeing it in use but it was on future weapons way back in the day. Similar to an LRAD.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:15:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I loved Future Weapons. Made me want to be an engineer so I could make cool stuff go boom in the future.
payperplain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I remember the most about it is how they considered rockets and stuff accurate if they hit within several FEET of their target. That was always an interesting thought that kind of told you how dangerous the objects were.
VeseliM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
disperse people*
payperplain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That too. The point was to get them to stop so they could either keep them away from something or to get them to stop so they could be captured without actually harming them.
dankmernes ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:08:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Used at the Dakota Access Pipeline protests
jeepdave ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 04:03:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good.
dankmernes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:19:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's relative
jeepdave ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 04:29:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a relatively huge waste of time and they trashed the place. Should have used rubber bullets and gas.
dankmernes ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:44:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing that people who think that rubber bullets and gas would be an appropriate measure of force probably don't much care that they trashed 'the place', as it was a dirt road out in the middle of nowhere.
Those PR firms sure do work wonders. EDIT: Added link to said PR firms, and their tactics.
cobras89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just want to correct you here, but as a ND resident there was some major concerns about pollution, especially the trash left behind to be picked up and carried away as the rivers rose.
Some of the Res leaders were not very happy.
jeepdave ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just the "save the planet" irony against a back drop of trash they left. Most were just there for the attention anyway. Let's be honest, they gave zero fucks about the environment otherwise they wouldn't protest the literal safest way to transport petroleum.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:36:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although I can't deny rubber bullets and gas would be great punishments for littering everywhere, I hardly think that 'attention' is why they showed up, or that abandoning trash by being arrested for protesting a pipeline is 'zero fucks'.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. All were arrested. Look I lived there. I still have friends there. These fucks were mostly out of staters who wanted to be "a part of something". Fucking losers every one.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have family up there. whooptydo.
Sure. Most of the cops were out of staters too, many excited to use their new toys, arrest the press, or block observers of abuse of power.
I'd gather there was plenty of losers to go around.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry what exactly was the protesters goal? Stopping the safest way to transport petroleum?
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever it was, I doubt it merited the use of force displayed, or military tech deployed.
Pipelines may be safer, but they also leak more. Considering this pipeline is slated to go under a river, it's probably a concern that everyone downstream shares to some degree.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are the safest way to transport petroleum. Nothing is perfect. Safest possible way. These protesters were idiots.
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The safest possible way spilled 18.4 million gallons of oil and fracking waste from 2004-2014
The protesters may be idiots, but it doesn't change the data.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize 18.4 million gallons is nothing over a 10 year period. Right?
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, "0" is 'nothing over a 10 year period'.
I'd say 800,000 gallons over a 37 year period beats it
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.....not when you factor in how many people it tends to kill when it spills at 70 mph. Safe doesn't just mean least spilled.
metric_units ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many?
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your own link shows 47 people in a single incident.
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you win if you count immediate deaths, as a pipeline doesn't sneak up on you, but I'd wager the long term hidden leaks cause more property, environmental, and health issues. A train tips over and everyone knows immediately. A pipeline can leak for months, and then be hidden from the public.
Still no reason to go after those protesters in the manner they did.
I suspect the real reason is that a pipeline costs half as much as a train ride for a barrel of oil.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those protesters had zero right to be there.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:59 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's arguable. Even the Dept of the Interior admitted that the peopleline could have negative effects on the local water supply.
If your measure of the morality of a protest is getting permission from the entity that you're protesting, I don't know what to tell you.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any thing could happen. But at the end of the day these people just looked like idiots and the majority of the nation was laughing at them.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:23 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it seems that the idiocy is in the beholder.
I didn't get the idea that the nation was laughing at them, if anything they found it inspiring, and telling when thousands of US veterans went to join them.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone with half a brain found them to be morons.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the ones with whole brains didn't.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they laughed the hardest. I mean honestly, what did they accomplish? Other than trashing the land I mean.
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:49 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they certainly seem to have gotten under your skin.
Even if that protest had no immediate effect, it certainly accomplished getting that story into mainstream news once hired security started setting dogs on people. And look, we've had a nice conversation about it.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:14 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly a decent convo true. But any publicity isn't always good publicity.
Steveisnotcaptain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:56:12 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You post on the_duck so your opinion is invalid
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:34 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awww. It's you again. Wuv you too!
Steveisnotcaptain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:14:21 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it Sunday morning but the 8th grade has school Monday so you need to get to bed kiddo
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:00 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good one. You're full of promise.
Steveisnotcaptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:31 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're nervous about starting high school because the kids that aren't from the trailer park will pick on you is scary I get it it. Just understand that most people aren't racist nazis like you and they read books that explain the evil Nazi ideology and losing confederacy are popular material that you'll also have to read. I suppose learning to read will be the first step to being an adult you'll have to accomplish though. I'm so excited for you! :)
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Retarded.
Steveisnotcaptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:13 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you grow up kiddo your vocabulary will hopefully improve. I know most lower class and poor families from the sticks that you're use to could never afford an actual 4 year college but hey maybe you'll get that promotion at Walmart and be able to afford like a book wouldn't that be pretty cool buddy?
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:10 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are precious. You're very ignorant but that's okay. You don't know better.
Steveisnotcaptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:26 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao oh Lordy I'm so glad people like you are too stupid to express their ignorance in real life. Then again I try and steer clear of trailer parks.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:58 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your ignorance knows no limits. Bravo.
Gigadweeb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:07:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck you
jeepdave ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a well reasoned and calm reply.
bobbypinbobby ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:19:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disperse into what? A cloud of vapour?
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you feel like you're getting burned you leave that area. It can't actually kill.
Nattin121 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:17:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See also: gay bomb
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb
ih8lurking ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:21:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google magnetron gun. You can make one with an old microwave. But don't. My husband and I were thinking about it but we watched a couple of videos and figured if the death rays don't kill us, the asbestos probably would. But he found a way around the accessories and is now pleased with his ridiculously strong magnets.
suenrg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck dude I thought you meant Google brand magnetron gun. I was wondering if Google had gotten into the arms race.
thisisabore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm not mistaken, it makes your nerves react by hitting them with a frequency they resonate with. It's supposed to not do any physical damage, so boiling the water in people sounds off (and gruesome).
Edit: I was wrong. Wikipedia informs us that "The ADS millimeter wave energy works on a similar principle as a microwave oven, exciting the water and fat molecules in the skin, and instantly heating them via dielectric heating." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System)
Edit 2: so this is where my confusion came from, the bloody Daily Mail of all things: "it emits an invisible, focused beam of radiation - similar to the microwaves in a domestic cooker - that are tuned to a precise frequency to stimulate human nerve endings." (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-482560/Run-away-ray-gun-coming--We-test-US-armys-new-secret-weapon.html)
sparta981 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not boil, but vibrate intensely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah its actually not very good, if i recall, in a riot situation you're only hitting the front few rows who will feel the need to scatter but will be unable to, resulting in trampling. Not to mention all the potential reflection points. Anyway continue citizen.
Wiki_pedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the John Rain books also briefly has that weapon in it.
xxxSEXCOCKxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:11 on October 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad that didn't work out
psm510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:51 on October 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, now they have a rioter ray...
xxxSEXCOCKxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:52 on October 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was under the impression it didn't get much use. I was wrong tho
number1eaglesfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Afghans couldn't abstract enough to figure out that the pain was coming from the big green thing and so, they didn't know where to get away FROM, and so, it was totally ineffective at disbursing them from where we needed cleared around the base. At least at that time/place/power level. I guess if you're whole life has been pain and misery, a little more discomfort doesn't really work. I laugh at how much was spent on the program that just doesn't work on simple, poor (world poor, not US poor), rural folks.
CynicalEnigma ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 19:55:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well exactly. If that's what is unclassified imagine what is still classified. They was developed nearly 15 years ago, who knows what could be in development now?
TreeBaron ยท 865 points ยท Posted at 21:17:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously a pain ray that can go through plywood and mattresses.
MeowlbertWhisker ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:39:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a really big nailgun
JackFlynt ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 01:11:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They already make those. They're called railguns, which comes from "R(eally big n)AILGUN"
Kortallis ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:45:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Along the same vein, Project Thor is worth looking up. It was an orbital kinetic bombardment platform. Basically, it would fire a tungsten rod the size of a telephone pole from space and hit the ground at mach 10 causing massive devastation.
It would be terrifying, but godamn whoever came up with that name was on point.
ElFrijoleroBlanco ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:18:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't know this, but project Thor is how Tungsten got it's chemical symbol. W...for WHATTHEFUCKWASTHAT?!
Uncle_Rabbit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:36:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โThat MAC gun can put a round clean through a Covenant Capital Ship.โ
superkp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:47:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best part is that "fire" means "let go and allow to drop"
I don't think they had to use any propellant - just release it at the right moment.
awesomeificationist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has an equally badass nickname, "Rods from God."
whirl-pool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need this to fix my r(eally big n) problem at my house.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, y'know, a gun.
vgf89 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 21:51:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point of the ADS was to hurt but not kill your opponent. Specifically, the radiation was only meant to penetrate your skin by <20nm.
Making a similar ray that penetrates mattresses and plywood would also penetrate your body much deeper, defeating the purpose.
TreeBaron ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:54:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was just a joke...
chinoz219 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:41:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to the military it wasnt, lol.
BoeingSeven4Seven ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:14:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/TreeBaron just got put on a list. The United States Military doesn't fuck around.
builttospilll ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:12:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this comment made my fucking day. cheers
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In modern combat, lack of penetration is actually a beneficial factor if you are intentionally going less than lethal. Less risk of civilians getting caught in the attack if it's blocked by a thin layer of wood. You can disperse a riot pretty easily that way.
benjammin9292 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:51:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean marriage?
barto5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:11:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pain Ray 2.0
skyspydude1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:10:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rule of thumb I've always heard of was that if you're seeing it in consumer tech/out in public, the DOD had it 20 years ago.
While likely not 100% the same, an example would be a smartphone. GPS enabled handheld computer, the govt probably had that by the late 80s.
Ublind ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:02:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the government is developing bone hurting juice.
1b8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:01:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ow oof ouch
DaTigerMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
owie ow off my bones
Butternades ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:36:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know they developed solid state laser systems for missile defense with the Israelis
TiHKALmonster ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:37:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc it was a microwave gun. Microwaves which are tuned to the frequency of H2O (like the ones in your kitchen). Shoot it at someone, and suddenly every water molecule in its path (including through your body) begins to heat up. I'm sure that would get pretty painful pretty quickly.
SummonTheDerp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:47:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's just mean
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if the alternative is getting actually burned...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:04:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, the Active Denial System. Uses microwaves at a particular frequency to make people feel burning pain but without suffering injury.
ebolawakens ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:37:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's nothing compared to PROJECT MARAUDER
Turtledonuts ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like a microwave cannon.
lobodelrey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:20:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cracked was around 10 years ago? I am getting old.
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to their website, they're the only humor website in america since like 1865.
thesunscreen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Next gen tech. Some of these projects take 10 - 20 years to become viable.
My guess is minaturized rail guns. I was talking with a co-worker today and he brought up the idea of a rifle sized rail gun. The only problem is the mobile power source large enough to power it.
Also full on mech warrior suits like in Chappie, or the giant robot battle between the US and Japan later this year.
WolfeBane84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you take two strips of cloth off a pair of jeans, staple them onto the back of your plywood in the form of handles, boom, done, suck that Pain Ray!
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well sure, but when you're hunkered down doing that, someone comes behind it and beats you in the head with a stick, and then cuffs you.
It's about disabling, not hurting. It just uses the pain to disable.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard they have vacume grenades, throw one into a cave and everything in the entire cave system dies of suffocation.
uber1337h4xx0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still classified?
Lightning bomb. Drop a ball that somehow causes lightning strikes from clouds.
Earthquake machine. Some sort of bomb or tunnel bore that can create minor earthquakes so you can stealthily kill a city without declaring war (or a tsunami)
Hallucinogenic gas that is invisible and quickly disappears so you can stealthily screw with the enemy without officially breaking any war rules
Shield technology (something to protect a building from missiles)
Jetpacks
Non-conventional destruction (tesla rays, railguns, xrays, etc)
Maglev
Active cloaking
Passive stealth
Efficient energy/engine
So much shit that can still be created without us knowing
ThreeLZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i mean you could just put a handle on the board. we have had basic shield tech for millenia now...
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
During a riot?
I mean one guy above you mentioned staple-gunning some strips of your pants to the back, but still. I'm not bringing tools with me to a protest/riot.
the_number_2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You bring your pre-made shield to the riot.
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:03 on August 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this isnt the hunger games, you are allowed to bring items from home...
Drow_Z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about the active denial system. Sometimes they get used to disperse crowds at protests etc
PMmeyourwallet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about an invisible cloack?
Seanshotfirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It exists. Not sure if it's ever been used, but the US army had some mounted on Humvees in the early 2000s. There is footage out there of a solider taking a hit from it and describing it after.
I think they were abandoned and replaced with LRAD, though. LRAD can be small enough to be chest mounted to a soilder/police officer for crowd dispersal (OPP had them for the G20/G8 summits in Toronto a few years ago)
ContemplativeOctopus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a real thing, it was designed for riot control. It's basically just a big microwave magentron. Shoots microwave beams at you to heat your skin up like a directed sunburn.
McBeaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:52:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could place your hands behind the plywood or matress and not have them subject to the pain ray
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you won't be able to move your pain-ray shield.
McBeaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably aren't moving much with a sheet of plywood or a mattress anyway
dogfish83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how each conspiracy theorist agrees with previous ones up to a point and then diverge, like religious denominations
Sk311ington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they disagree on whether or not the stuff the Government is hiding is interesting or not.
badmartialarts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah. It's like all those various stories about 'silent black helicopters' that were going around that people kept pointing out was impossible because helicopters can't be silenced that way. Then the bin Laden raid happens, one of them crashes, and sure enough, we've have stealth helicopters for years. I try to keep that in mind every time I'm quick to denounce a conspiracy theory.
Ganglebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. The Blackbird and Nighthawk are fucking rad.
But, not AS fantastical as aliens, UFOs, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have free access to Area 51 and just check out all the cool shit they are actually working on. That would astounding.
Maruff1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:04:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno SR-71 was pretty fantastical in 1962. That's when it first flew. Development started in 1958. Now think that was back then and it has quite a few speed records still intact. Who knows what secrets they have cooked up since the F-117 Nighthawk and the B-2 Spirit. I'm ignoring the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning they look like regular jets. They probably have some cutting edge thing flaoting around we will hear about in 10-15 yrs
Ganglebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but not AS fantastical as intergalactic alien visitation and abductions.
The shit they developed there is amazing through! I can't even imagine what they are working on there now. Probably a lot of drones (land, sea and air)
Maruff1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aye drones. I wonder if the Aurora Project was a thing.
DeedTheInky ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:59:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do say that the military is about 20 years ahead of what the public sees in technology. Last time there was a really big UFO conspiracy wave was in the 90's when the X-Files and stuff came out. 20 years later drones appeared to the public. :)
Cross-Country ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:13:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They always choose someone with a large ego, someone who will use it to seek attention and to be seen as some sort of messiah. This is why this whole UFO thing is going on with Tom DeLonge.
pabodie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I listened to his audiobook Sekret Machines. The whole project seems misguided and driven by ego, agreed.
EndgameArchitecture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he's a loon
cloud3321 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I respectfully disagree.
The Blackbird are and still is one of the sexiest planes in history.
B-2 Bombers while not as sexy (some might disagree with me here), are certainly awe-inspiring and terrifying at the same time.
DudeGuyBor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will just always love the description of the Blackbird's missile defense system: Fly faster than it
ihaveyoursox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:33:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a science teacher who said he worked at area 51. When we asked him the typical alien questions all he told us was "man it was so boring, we were just inventing stuff like super glue"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Riley Martin says "Hey man... the Biovians are real"!!
lizardscum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the final teir ofthe matrix
SippantheSwede ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also kidnap conspiracy theorists from the parking lots outside UFO conventions to experiment on them, knowing that nobody will believe them when they try to tell people what happened.
DrunkonIce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk Laser canons, rail guns, and stealth bombers are all pretty excited and relatively recent in terms of being declassified.
I'm still puzzled why no one brings up the fact we have a fucking ship mounted laser cannon that can blow up small boats. Or the fact we mounted said cannon on a plane once.
Peil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would explain why there are so many former government employees who add fuel to the fire.
Slanderous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad, (who also by the way thinks the moon landings were faked) is convinced America has a secret base on Mars and that the CIA puts mind control implants in people to act as sleeper agents.
Also aliens built the pyramids.
jsteph67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So wait, we faked the moon landings but have a base on Mars. Haha, the cognitive disconnect there is a little much.
Slanderous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah in his mind they couldn't do it at the time but anything is possible today
archer66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just asking for a friend but where would one find these sexy stories?
Ganglebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Sexy" in that they are tantalising, not that they necessarily involve sex.
That being said, look up the claims on alien-human hybrids. Lots of people claiming to be used as forced breading stock for aliens. Its a fun read.
ma_x_power ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey guys do yo need to watch: Sirius. An amazing documentary
Gella321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND WITH HIS CHARIOTS LIKE A WHIRLWIND, that's how Christ is coming back, in the so called mystical thing that you, that you see on the X-Files every Friday night, all those so called UFOs, these ufos are not little green men from Mars, extra terresestrials as you think,but they happen to be the spirits that dwell in heaven of god, the angelic world that's right those are the vehicles that they travel in and those are the same vehicles that they delivered the prophet of Elijah in when they took Elijah up by whirl wind and they parted him in Illisha, its the same vehicles that's coming back to save the children of Israel and when they come the white man is aware of it he's putting weapons in outer space every month on global level there sending up the space shuttle to put weapons out there to try to fight and prohibit the second coming of Christ that's why the shuttle goes up with secret military payloads, partial beam weapons, space mine, electromagnetic rail guns, kinetic energy weapons, all kind of little mickey mouse toy weapons that your sending in outer space but you think you can fight God but you cant even make a deal with Fidel Castro"
Ganglebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know if this is real schizophrenia or pro-level satire.
Gella321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an audio sample that can be heard at the beginning of EDM producer Armand Van Helden's song "Hybridz".
Ganglebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh thank god. I didn't get the reference and thought you were a crazy person!
Gella321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was listening to that song the other day and your comment made that sample pop into my head. Crazy shit
Qualanqui ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a theory that the fake moon landing was created to distract from the fact that jfk had just been murdered, right in front of everyone.
[deleted] ยท 425 points ยท Posted at 16:51:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd highly recommend you read "The Hunt for Zero Point" by Nick Cook
It's quite fascinating and may add some more context to what you're mentioning.
MentalRental ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 19:11:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd also recommend Mirage Men.
Ludwig234 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:26:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also men in black
kvngvroosmeanjeans ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:42:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say this. Incredibly fucked up but also makes sense as far as misinformation campaigns go. The lengths agencies will go is absolutely insane.
KilRazor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:20:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, if you're interested in fun stories about teenage English wizards, you should check out Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
... I mean... as long as we're recommending books we like.
Rett__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that seems neat ill give it a go
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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truthseeker1990 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:58:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop the spamming
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
truthseeker1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are annoying as fuck.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:16:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well written but holy crap so much woo in that book. i've never been able to tell if it's not lightly fictional because for a serious journalist who specialized in aeronautics and hard engineering he sure seemed to buy into the whole antigravity thing pretty hook/line/sinker.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:59:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, it was well written and the info was supplied well, but certainly there are parts that can't be factual.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's got a certain 'gonzo journalism' feel that is what twigs me.
LurkerKurt ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:50:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read/heard a rumor that the Area 51/Bob Lazar stories were meant to scare the Soviet Union.
CynicalEnigma ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:33:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's super interesting. Wouldn't doubt that for a second, definitely sounds like cold war espionage and disinformation.
LurkerKurt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Longer version of the rumor: The government creates the story about recovered alien space craft at Area 51, reverse engineering the technology and then using it in the Strategic Defense Initiative (the Star Wars missile defense system).
LurkerKurt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly longer version of the rumor: The recovered alien technology was reverse engineered and used for our missile defense program, thus prompting a panic in the Soviet Union, eventually leading to its downfall.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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toptierandrising ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the government had proof of aliens, Trump would have bragged about it by now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No president knows as explained in the documentary,
toptierandrising ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the president doesnโt know but the filmmakers do
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because the film itself covers upwards of 50 whistle blowers who all come out confirming the same stuff, watch the documentary.
DownvoteDaemon ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 01:05:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While possibly not aliens, definitely UFOs:
ASTRONAUTS
"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."
โ Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury & Gemini Astronaut
"I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now."
โ Captain Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut
"...I've been asked [about UFOs] and I've said publicly I thought they [UFOs] were somebody else, some other civilization."
โ Astronaut Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Commander
"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. [...] It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
โ Captain Donald Slayton, Mercury Astronaut
"Statistically it's a certainty there are hugely advanced civilizations, intelligence, life forms out there. I believe they're so advanced they're even doing interstellar travel. I believe it's possible they even came here."
โ Dr. Storey Musgrave, NASA Astronaut
"For nearly 50 years, the secrecy apparatus within the United States Government has kept from the public UFO and alien contact information." "We have contact with alien cultures."
โ Astronaut Dr. Brian O'Leary
"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!"
โ Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.), NASA Astronaut
NASA, CIA, ARMY, AIR FORCE ETC
"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is..." (1) "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." (2)
โ Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA, 1947-1950
"We had a job to do, wether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited." (2)
โ Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Scientific consultant for Air Force Project Blue Book
"Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."
โ Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding, Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII
"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
โ J. Edgar Hoover, first Director of the FBI
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... anything you can imagine we already know how to do."
โ Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works
"This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious."
โ General Nathan Twining, US Air Force, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 1955-1958
"Unidentified Flying Objects are entering our atmosphere at very high speeds and obviously under intelligent control. We must solve this riddle without delay."
โ Rear Admiral Delmar Fahrney, USNR
"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets".
โ General Douglas MacArthur
ROCKET SCIENTISTS & PHYSICISTS
"It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system. There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."
โ Dr. Hermann Oberth, the "father of modern rocketry"
"I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis."
โ Dr. Walther Riedel, chief designer and research director at the German rocket center in Peenemunde
"The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."
โ Dr. Maurice Biot, leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist
"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future, is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles."
โ Dr. Harold Puthoff, Director, Institute for advanced studies at Austin, Author of fundamentals of Quantum Electronics
SOVIET / U.S. PRESIDENTS
"The phenomenon of UFOs is real. I know that there are scientific organisations which study the problem. It must be treated seriously."
โ Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev
"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."
โ President Harry S. Truman
"...I strongly recomment that there be a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena. I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment on this subject."
โ President Gerald Ford
"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was."
โ President Jimmy Carter
"I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."
"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside of this world."
โ President Ronald Reagan
Anyone is welcome to provide evidence that a quote is legitimately out of context, and I will remove it.
All credit goes to /u/Alx__ for compiling these. Sources for these quotes can be found at http://spaceflare.net. Many of them are on video, in context. For example, this one.
It is recognized that quotes are not proof. However:
There is compelling evidence that UFOs are physical phenomena, not imaginary or hallucinatory. They are captured on radar that only detects physical objects, and perform feats not explainable by known physics. 90-95% of sightings can be explained by known phenomena, but 5-10% cannot.
Source: The COMETA Report (published by the French government):
Part 1: http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_part1.pdf Part 2: http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_part2.pdf
The former Governor of Arizona, also former pilot and Air Force officer, who witnessed the Phoenix Lights firsthand, describes the experience: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SJXMBHByZY
UFOSKEPTIC.ORG, run by professional astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, was recommended by /r/askscience Mod /u/wbeaty, who also created and maintains amasci.com, a fantastic scientific resource in its own right.
More:
Regarding physical evidence -- there is little to none, other than trace evidence like evidence of exposure to high-powered electromagnetic fields in grass where craft are said to have landed.
Radar evidence http://www.nicap.org/whatradar.htm http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc614.htm
UFOs defy known physics: http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case334.htm (one case of many)
FAQ
"The government wouldn't cover it up." - The US government didn't acknowledge the existence of Area 51 until last year.
Evidence of UFOs is compelling to the extent that to deny their existence is tantamount to science denial. Earnest study of available information makes it impossible to come away with the impression that they could be fictitious or hallucinatory. While this comment is just an introduction, it includes sources that can be explored to satisfy any doubts.
MUCH MORE here: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/wtabz/computer_hacker_gary_mckinnon_has_no_choice_but/c5gbmqz
kitchen_clinton ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:02:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for publishing the list. Not too long ago on Reddit someone published a piece on how President Carter had actually mistaken Venus for a UFO.
DownvoteDaemon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they have been to earth before and will be here again. I don't know if its alien or government tech but somebody is watching us
MY-HARD-BOILED-EGGS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While you're quoting astronauts don't forget all the stuff we heard John Glenn admit on Frasier that was 100% totally real
kitchen_clinton ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:03:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying that astronauts were giving wild quotes because they were high?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were an astronaut, I could see myself saying weird shit to fuck with people or to make annoying reporters look silly.
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silverside30 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop spamming your shitty documentary please!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not mine.
silverside30 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, you're just being an obnoxious twat then.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I only messaged people who were talking about not believing in ufo, providing proof.
I'm not calling anyone names such as yourself.
cobalt_phantom ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:56:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad worked the night shift at a store about an hour away from an air force base. He said he used to see a black triangle with a few lights fly by every once in awhile but nobody believed him until the B-2 Bomber was revealed a few years later.
Enjolras1781 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:40:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this absolutely. If you'd never seen have blue or a spirit you'd think that shit was from space no question.
JimmyBoombox ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:09:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of ufo conspiracy theories is because of roswell where the military actually said it was an actual ufo. Then they quickly changed it to it being a weather balloon and denied their first report.
foxden_racing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair, it was a weather balloon. A weather balloon modified for even higher altitudes and kitted out with experimental cameras/microphones meant to spy on hostile powers then crash somewhere recoverable, but still, a weather balloon.
It turned out to be such a stupendously hare-brained idea, something about not being able to guarantee it'd fly over shit they actually cared about, that they turned their attention to extreme-altitude manned flight instead...granting us such awesome planes as the U2 and SR71.
nooneimportan7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:35:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The important thing to note is that the "disc like microphones" were commonly referred to as saucers, because of their size and shape. This the "flying saucer" mishap. They did call it a flying saucer, but they retracted their statement to cover for classified information.
The way the tech worked is very interesting, it's called project mogul, and you can learn all about it. It 100% debunks the Roswell incident.
WeAreTheSheeple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The person that found it said on his deathbed that the item (weatherballoon) that was handed back to him for a photograph was not the same object he found. You really trust the wrong people on this one.
nliausacmmv ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:59:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are these strange lights in the sky neat a secret military airbase? Gotta be aliens, only possible explanation.
Masterreeferr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:11:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The UFO phenomenon peaked in the 50's when there was massive public sightings all around the world. They were seen everywhere, not just near military bases. The B-2 and F-117 didn't come into existence for 4 more decades. The U.S. military made a televised statement saying they were aware of the problem and were looking into it because they were concerned with the countries safety. Sooo
UFO's were being seen in mass well before advanced secret aircraft was being tested, decades before. Aliens is a very plausible, and most likely explanation.
nliausacmmv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And weirdly, it went away right as cameras became a bit cheaper and more commonplace.
Look, I want it to be aliens too. I really do. But it's not aliens; it's never aliens, and we'll definitely know it when it is aliens.
Masterreeferr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well no. It weirdly went away when world super powers started addressing the issue and admitting to the public they were just as confused as anyone. Both the U.S. and Russia took huge notice during and after WWII that UFO's were being reported like crazy and shortly after admitting UFO's exist they both very quickly dropped the subject and it instantly became common place to ridicule anyone who took it seriously. It's pretty obvious that aliens are/were hanging around Earth, could not hide from super power governments, and once they threw millions of dollars into investigating it they started acting really suspicious. To say "we'll definitely know when it is aliens" is extremely naive considering aliens have been around for at least the past 6-7 decades. Everything from government and military statements to pictures and videos. It obviously all comes down to personal discretion on what's real or fake but the testimonies and picture/video evidence has existed for years and continues to grow. Anyone who genuinely researches the subject can find countless evidence that aliens have/are visiting Earth, governments know, and they hide it as best they can.
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nliausacmmv ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:03:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that aliens don't exist. Statistically they must be out there somewhere. But do you really think that somehow they arrived here secretly? Aliens came from across the galaxy to see us, but they snuck in and went directly to the government? Or, are there maybe just some strange aircraft in the sky near an Air Force base?
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SlimandNone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:11:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't change my mind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 4 hours long. Nice try.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 4 hours long.
Flyinghigh11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It changed my mind.
Bike1894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Logically, if you were a conquistador and found a new tribe, the first thing you'd request is to be taken to the leaders. Similar concept.
nliausacmmv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except you wouldn't be taken there secretly. Especially if you don't even speak the language and nobody even knows what you're asking. And also you'd do some conquering at some point.
rblue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:21:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most are. I've seen silver saucer-shaped vehicles in broad daylight before though that hover and make no sound. Super goddamn fast as well. Two at a time, on a bright day.
Early 1980's so dunno. If they were ours, wouldn't we know by now?
CynicalEnigma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why show your hand if you don't need to? There could be extraterrestrial craft all over the place. I was talking specifically about the government finding, and making contact with extraterrestrial spacecraft. I think if there are extraterrestrials the government knows marginally more than the average person.
vile72 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Battle of Los Angeles? An experimental bomber? No
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Logicaldiversity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit really needs a better way to deal with spammers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just ignore them?
Logicaldiversity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spamming is against reddit rules. I'm sure it won't be enforced though. Understand that when people see the same exact comment by you 15+ times in one thread it takes away from your message. That doc sounded really cool the first time I seen you mention it but now that I know it's just a spam link I'm less likely to even watch the video.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's entirely up to you my friend. Best wishes.
Tldr, Dr greer put together 50 or more independent witness testimonials over 20 years releasing them all in this one documentary after the deaths of all involved. They explain why ufo are real, why they are friendly and why it's being covered up. All of the testimonials are from high ranking government officials who have proof of military time served. Most of the witnesses seen ufo's above nuclear facilities which ufo's appear to be particularly interested in.
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esqualatch12 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:14:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just remember people when was the last time you heard about another country invading our airspace. is it easier to pass it as a ufo or admit someone another country entered our airspace.
JD_Revan451 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:05:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Major Briggs you're alive
automatic_bazooti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am like the Blue Rose
Jeroldy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recommend you watch the documentary unacknowledged
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked with a retired Army Pilot that was a believer. His opinion was pilots have so much training and flying time there is no reason they shouldn't know what they're looking at.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:21:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always just assumed this was the case.
thelastpizzaslice ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:00:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was an inside job was an inside job.
CynicalEnigma ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Southpark Episode is exactly why I phrased it the way I did lol
Derpicusss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. This one actually makes a lot of sense.
DanTheFireman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I met a guy the other day that swore and even admitted that it sounded crazy this - He reports that he worked on IBM missile destroyers for the US government during the cold war. He said that in addition to stopping missiles they were also shooting g down UFO's. He talked a lot of many different things and a lot of different experiences, some were definitely embellished. He was hard to read. I work with psychotic people all day, he didn't strike me as someone with a psychotic or delusional disorder. I think he genuinely believed it as a totally sane man. It was really bizzare but I still don't believe it.
CreamyGoodnss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right after WWII, the United States was taking all of the captured German and Japanese technology they could get their hands on and coming up with just INSANE experimental aircraft. Hell, even before the war was over, they smushed two P-51 mustangs together and we got the F-82 Twin Mustang.
So the USAF and USN were building all these weird aircraft and testing them out in the desert at places like Groom Lake Air Force Base aka Area 51, and at the same time, keeping our new "allies," the Russians, at arm's length. So when something like the Vaught XF5U or the Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar is spotted and/or crashes, of COURSE people are going to think it's something otherworldly!
Also, don't forget, this was the dawn of the jet age, so people hearing jet engines for the first time and seeing a really weird looking aircraft making those noises...
So, like you said...the government is always testing top secret and experimental aircraft and totally running with the whole "alien spaceship" stuff
Edit: Fun fact about the F-82. It was the last piston-driven
aircraftfighter ordered into production by the US Army/Air Force but also the aircraft to fly the first combat mission (by the U.S.) of the Korean WarTeledildonic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And honestly, if you saw the F-117 before it was public, it would alien. No plane before was angular like that. It was all black. The engines were muffled. Watching one turn and bank in the sky would almost look like some otherworldly, shape-shifting craft.
robot72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See also: the documentary Mirage Men
Shadow_US ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
X-Files explored this back in the day.
OmenQtx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to see B-2 bombers flying in the night as a kid, didn't know what they were at the time. Just large black shadows flying overhead. Then they had the first public "test flight" and the thing had a blocked fuel line. I figured out what those black triangles I had seen were that day.
I used to live in Palmdale, 30 miles from Edwards AFB and just down the street from Lockheed Skunk Works. Experimental planes flying at night were the norm for us.
GoldenSama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd go further. Not just the UFO conspiracy. So many government conspiracies are about how the government is all-powerful and super capable and secretly controls everything.
While it makes for a fantastic TV show or video game plot, the government is way too terrible at doing anything for it to be real; but they would definitely rather we think them all powerful than realize how terrible they are at everything.
eaterofdog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:27:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck would aliens come to the backwaters (we live in the sticks) of a very average galaxy to visit half-smart apes? It's all anthropocentric nonsense. If we do encounter evidence of aliens, it will probably be their Von Neumann machines coming to exterminate us.
Bike1894 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think a transended alien species would only want destruction upon us?
SinkHoleDeMayo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:17:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't we study primates and dolphins in the wild?
thebbman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been reading or listening to the Bobiverse books?
eaterofdog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:17:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. What about it?
thebbman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh just that they're books largely about the main character being a sentient Von Neumann probe. Rather entertaining listens and the third one just came out last week. I think they were written to be audiobooks first and a paper book second, so most people I know have listened and not read them.
eaterofdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds interesting. Obviously I'm a sci fi fan.
Sir_George ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying if we achieve space travel we shouldn't bother visiting intelligent life we know of because they're not as smart as us unless we plan to exterminate them?
eaterofdog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL "achieve space travel" We can't even cooperate long enough to keep the oceans from engulfing our costal cities. We ain't going nowhere.
Theres_A_FAP_4_That ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until the real guys show up. (whimpers silently)
tumsdout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did this in a south park episode. I think Bush "accidentally" dropped top secret files in front of the main characters.
Rob_Cartman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i started looking into the released files related to CIA UFO investigations. most were probably nothing but some were strange sightings by military or other professional personal in situations i couldn't explain.
MostAwesomeRedditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting perspective.
I believe the opposite. I really believe aliens exist and they visited in 1947 lol.
I enjoyed reading your perspective. Do you know if this theory is shared on other sites?
domestic_omnom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always felt that if the government was working on something like spacecraft they would let the world think its aliens so they could deny having that tech.
ScreamingMidgit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who pitched this idea to the US gov't is probably the most brilliant bastard alive.
I want to shake his hand.
karizake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere a lone government office worker is sewing together little alien puppets.
Manpooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen a 'UFO' before. Then, about 30 seconds later, it was an 'IFO' hehe. Definitely was military testing, though. It was a twin-rotor, single-person flying harness (aka a 'jet pack'). Was painted military gray and I saw it flying low (50-100ft above the ground) across a highway near Newark, NJ sometime around 2010 around dusk. I've checked to see if it showed up in records, but I haven't seen it yet.
Thought it was a bird at first, but I realized it was too big as I got closer. Then I recognized the shape of it as one of these things.
kitchen_clinton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the stupendous noise eliminate birds?
Ftb262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really does make sense. The SR-71 was built in the 50s and the F-117 in the 70s and 80s. Why wouldn't they have been testing every possible drone option that includes much more powerful versions of the shit we can buy in Walmart now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. Me and my friends have seen some crazy UFOs over here in Connecticut.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't there UFO's in the Smithsonian museum from world war II?
anscmc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's this a reference to?
inmatarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a story once that in Air Force, they'll run training operations all the time, one kind of training operation being the recovery a crashed aircraft simulated via a weather balloon, and that when alcohol is involved they decorate the weather balloon to look like an alien spacecraft so that they can fuck with the conspiracy theorist who hang out near their bases looking to catch photographs.
madefordumbanswers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize this was a conspiracy. I thought everybody knew this was really what was going on with UFO sightings.
Ohmannothankyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lived near then-active Castle AFB as a kid. Saw hella UFOs.
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AccidentalAbrasion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to shit all over OP for asking dumb questions. But you salvaged it.
scrotalKahn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are interested in the subject you owe it to yourself to get closer to the truth. Govt using the phenomenon as cover was just convenience.
Check out Jacques Vallee's research. The alien nuts hate him because after researching the phenomenon since the 60s with Hynek, he's espousing the view that they're NOT alien spacecraft, but something more exotic that has been with us here on earth all along.
Abadatha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had no clue there was a name for that.
angelsandairwaves93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell this to Tom Delonge
Lakonthegreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd believe it more if J. Allen Hyneck didn't have the credentials behind his name to be able to make determinations on mental health in the people he talked to.
Hairless-Sasquatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like the most logical conclusion because let's face it .. if the aliens Invade, I sincerely doubt the US government would have a single clue what to do about it, wouldn't know enough to stop it let alone cover it up
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Hairless-Sasquatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know jack shit about aliens and stuff but when the think about it there is absolutely NO way that intelligent life doesn't exist somewhere.
When you think about how big space is it just seems impossible for us to be alone. I can't can't wrap my head around it
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:17:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching documentary it will blow your mind.
Storytellerjack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's plausible to an extent, but I've shaken hands, and dined with Travis Walton. It takes a lot of dedication for the government to fake thousands of abductions for the sake of feeling 20% cooler.
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SheolCodeMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't South Park do an episode on the 9/11 version of this? Where someone dropped a deuce in the urinal
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so, no UFOs, just aircraft that the government is either saying or encouraging people call UFOs?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have watched plenty of it, and I have watched/read things explaining them away. Occam's Razor wins out here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how about the 3 witnesses guys all in the military who witnessed a ufo above a nuclear launch base in America at the same time as all of their intercontinental nuclear missiles went offline. Not only is there 3 witnesses there is declassified documents confirming that all ballistic missiles went offline on that day.
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When was this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's covered at length in the documentary.
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna admit, wasn't terrible curious, and I am not watching a 4-hour documentary.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tldr, Dr greer put together 50 or more independent witness testimonials over 20 years releasing them all in this one documentary after the deaths of all involved.
They explain why ufo are real, why they are friendly and why it's being covered up.
All of the testimonials are from high ranking government officials who have proof of military time served. Most of the witnesses seen ufo above nuclear facilities which ufo appear to be particularly interested in.
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant the specific incident you were talking about with the ICBMs not working.
Kaerhis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I met a staff member at my high school who swore up and down that he saw something akin to a stealth bomber (that kind of shape) in the sky one night from his backyard. I wasn't sure whether to believe him or not, but he seemed 100% certain of what he saw.
Steven054 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The SR-71 blackbird was around for a looong time before being declassified. I'm sure most of the UFO sightings were experimental aircraft that we won't know about for another 30 years or so until it becomes obsolete.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Steven054 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If our government was really trying to cover up ufo sightings like those in the video, they all would have been killed. Simply posting a YouTube video with no legitimate sources is laughable at best. All I got from this video was people who are smart and think too much, they can't prove anything. If a life force was advanced enough to travel to earth, they would be advanced enough to have some type of cloaking device, we would never know.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:14:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the video, Dr Steve greer compiled all of these witnesses over 20 years and released them all at the same time. In this documentary, none of these witnesses testimonials were released until they were already dead. Actually watch it before commenting.
makzter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shhhh They're on to us.
muddy700s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is the most logical area 51 explanation. Also, iirc there was some experimental Russian disc shaped craft.
SonnyLove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait shit, this is the conspiracy? Not the one with aliens and probes and shit?
Pt0m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree
thenewtomsawyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So this is just the "Carrots make you eyes better" of modern conflicts?
hugemishtake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mulder....is that you?
IreneFrances ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Last Podcast on the Left" interviewed someone who used to work in Area 51 and he confirmed this exact double conspiracy. Basically the US gov lets people perpetuate alien stories to help conceal some iron man type suit and other military weaponry. Pretty crazy but also kind of cute?
[deleted] ยท 5448 points ยท Posted at 16:06:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Genuine55 ยท 3743 points ยท Posted at 16:18:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's been a bunch of recently de-classified documents about the investigations into JFK's assassination. It looks like there was a cover-up. Apparently both the FBI and CIA, and several other law enforcement groups knew that Oswald was planning an assassination.
I think the cover-up was a classic cover-my-ass story of incompetence. [edit]Fixed a wrong word.
beeps-n-boops ยท 2854 points ยท Posted at 16:35:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now, that's one angle I haven't heard before...
Scyrothe ยท 3802 points ยท Posted at 23:16:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Aww shucks, this isn't a camera!"
natural_distortion ยท 1387 points ยท Posted at 03:17:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There I go killing again!
XanMaverick ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:35:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Oswald!
Burnout07 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 04:50:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Krombopulos Oswald
fokkoooff ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:44:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy!
A911owner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:07:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
-Lee Harvey Oswald
waka_flocculonodular ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-Michael Scott
derpattk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:56:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
heck.
Pottymouthoftheyear ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:28:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy!
YouProbablySmell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:07:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is almost as bad as my nephew's eighth birthday party...
SadGhoster87 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 04:08:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heyyy guys check out my new camera!
bang
Ah wait, this isn't a camera.
hoochyuchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Haven't seen an asdf cartoon reference in a while.
Hairless-Sasquatch ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:20:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now Lee, when you get the book depository there's gonna be a rifle and a camera. Pick the camera up and get some shots of the president in his motorcade for us will ya?
Why's there's a rifle?
It belongs to old man Duncan who runs the building. He's a bit of a nut.
So it turns out Harvey didn't do shit. Old man Duncan framed him.
telegetoutmyway ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:25:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you get the shot?!
LeikaBoss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:05:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Ramza_Claus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:15:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, Lee!! Time to become a national hero!
pirateninjamonkey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I picture Rick from Rick and Morty, Hey...hey...burp.. Oswald. Here, This...this will prove the driver is trying to kill the president. Look through this scope. See JFK in it? Okay Look at his head, the driver has an explosive device hidden in his hair. The...the...burp only way to stop it is to shoot it. Do it Oswald, be a hero. You...you have to do it Oswald, you have to shoot the president.
FnaTiiK ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pickle Rick did it for sure
AbeLincolnsFreckles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta love those Italian 1940s cameras.
iAmbassador ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might as well shoot.
greedo4president2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahahaha amazing
Zerole00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oswald goes to shoot photos"
It's Always Sunny in Philly music plays
SpanishConqueror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:09 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(What I imagine)[https://youtu.be/S45hn6EJh0U]
MeowlbertWhisker ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 00:41:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just casually climbs the building with a sniper rifle to investigate a hypothetical "what if?" scenario
"Now if I was to kill the President what would I do? Maybe I'd stand here, no, here, that's right. And I guess I'd aim about here, and then when he comes round the corner I just have to adjust the angle slightly and boom- OH SHIT IT WAS LOADED?! JESUS CHRIST WHAT DO I DO, THEY'LL NEVER BELIEVE MY STORY!"
Genuine55 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, fixing that typo. :D
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:59:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Genuine55 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 17:08:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lee Harvey Oswald... noir private investigator, framed for the assassination of JFK. He must clear his name. I can imagine the 'dame walks in' scene, featuring Jacki O.
:D
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:18:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:01:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Genuine55 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:33:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KoolDude214 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did the parent comment say?
Genuine55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why it got deleted. It was kinda a 'good idea' comment. He did make fun of hulk 4, iirc.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:32:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so the movie "shooter"
NBHarty789 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:32:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No obviously it was professor farsworth with fry and bender
Kawaninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See the movie "shooter"
rothbard_anarchist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the theories is not too far off. Oswald supposedly realized when the cops showed up at the book depository that he'd been set up. He'd had some CIA involvement before.
suchmagnificent ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:56:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he picked JFKs brain a bit too roughly
Not_A_Hyperbole ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:33:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oswald assassinated JFK to prove the sheer paranoia running amongst the US government. The FBI and the CIA believed they were under threat from the White House and constantly covered up information to make themselves look better. Oswald knew this so he assassinated JFK to prove years later how corrupt and paranoid the US government really is by revealing documents years later showing the CIA and FBI covering up information.
gavriloe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, he believed that he was working for the CIA. After the Bay of Pigs invasion failed, the CIA and elements of the Cuban mob felt betrayed by Kennedy (somewhat rightly so). They knew Oswald was a sharpshooter, and they contacted him claiming to be working on behalf of the CIA. Oswald was probably convinced that Kennedy needed to be taken out for the sake of the nation, and that he was following the orders of the CIA in doing so. Oswald almost certainly died thinking that he had been fulfilling the wishes of the CIA.
ITRWZK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:31:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to break it to you but if the cia contacted and paid him to do it he was in fact working for them. Thats pretty much the definition of working.
gavriloe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But in my theory the CIA agents that contacted him did so on no authority but their own. The CIA as an agency didn't decide to kill Kennedy, rogue agents with a personal vendetta against him so that. Oswald just thought that these agents were acting on behalf of the CIA.
gavriloe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Now, I shall investigate the effects of this bullet entering President Kennedy's brain."
~crack~
"Oh no, it's all over the car now..."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:56:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oswald was working for Earl Warren all along!
Zacoftheaxes ยท 1143 points ยท Posted at 22:38:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd believe that they're covering their own failures. We have documents from 9/11 that showed the government figured the Saudis were funding terrorists to do something but they were shaky as to what exactly the plan was.
Think about when you "cover up" something in real life, most of the time it is covering up a really stupid mistake you made. The government doesn't want it to be immediately obvious that they fucked up and let a terrible tragedy happen.
ortho_engineer ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 01:44:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear, there used t o be laws that forbid the CIA from sharing info with the FBI. This is in the public's best interest - it was meant to keep the technology used to spy on our enemies from being used on us.
Then 911 happened, which the CIA had an inkling about. Now we have the Patriot Act and citizens live in a surveillance state.
I am bringing this up because you need to be careful what you wish for.
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 03:18:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was what founded Homeland Security?
The FBI, CIA, and NSA each had bits of the puzzle but it didnt make sense until after the fact.
LetsGoMs ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 05:18:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the separate agencies previously used to even compete for information and recognition, almost never working together toward certain threats. An FBI agent was roommates for a brief period with a 9/11 plotter who was being watched by the CIA, but the "wall" that existed between the agencies prevented any sort of information being shared before the attack. Since then, as you have mentioned, Homeland Security has unified the agencies. They all even had separate databases prior to the attack, it's insane.
AThousandEyesN1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Roommates? Do you have a source?
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:38:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is when people say "The CIA knew 9/11 was going to happen." To which I always respond "well they would be pretty shitty at their jobs if they didn't know something about it."
Zacoftheaxes ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:54:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. The CIA knew some sort of terrorist attack was planned, it doesn't mean they had the full plans lined out for them.
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:01:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, they could have known the entire thing, but if they had one detail off (date, flight numbers, etc) they wouldn't have been able to stop it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:27:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the expected damage was high enough (i.e. they knew they were going to try and attack sky scrapers, and that this would work as well as it does) they could have implemented some of the more effective lessons from 9/11 early. Primarily this means strong cockpit doors, but also includes education of flight attendants and working through the legal conundrum of shooting planes headed for population centers down.
LetsGoMs ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:28:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the issue is we life in a completely different world now, the CIA could not have anticipated the extent of damage the attack caused back then. Osama Bin Laden was even surprised the damage was so huge. Now we are aware of the potential of modern terrorism, but in those days an attack on the world trade center to the extent it was was just inconceivable. The US had never in it's history faced such an threat and unfortunately the intelligence agencies there to protect it were not prepared for it.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:48:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
Zacoftheaxes ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:05:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part 4 of the report on 9/11 was classified until just last year. It points out Saudi connections to the hijackers.
The US had a inkling that the Saudis were helping out terrorists but didn't know the scope or the exact plan. After it became the deadliest attack on American soil, they were not eager to point out that a supposed ally had connections to the attack.
bundleogrundle ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:26:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing we went straight to the source after that. It's amazing how much shit the Saudis can get away with without being held accountable. As long as they continue selling oil in petrodollars, they will never be punished by the US for any wrong doing.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:02:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Selling oil and controlling a major trading route.
ConeCandy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My money is on Oswald's shot scared one of the secret servicemen who accidentally discharged their weapon, shooting JFK in the head. It'd explain the magic bullet issue and is the most interesting one I've come across.
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:35:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The magic bullet theory is explained pretty easily by the layout of the seats in the car. The two second-row jumpseats are situated inboard and lower than the back seats where JFK and Jackie sat.
GreatWood69 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:03:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the most god damn retarded shit that the the Saudis have essentially gotten away with being responsible for the worst terror attack in the modern day
HadHerses ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:20:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am quite partial to the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald's shot missed or only injured him, and in the race to protect the President, the Secret Service agent who jumped on the car, his gun accidentally discharged delivering that fatal shot.
I can see why they would want to cover that up.
SnakeEater14 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:17:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that sounds... really implausible. Like, a million to one shot. Plus, doesn't brain matter get on the back of the car before the Agent jumped up? I remember seeing Jackie O. reach for it.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:14:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was in army intelligence, intercepting and translating phone calls. He says it's highly unlikely they didn't know the attack was coming. It was allowed to happen.
nedjeffery ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:46:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a great 9/11 conspiracy blog post once (have not been able to find it since). Basically the idea was that about 5 years previous there was a mini nuke in Israel that went missing. At the time in order to prevent a total meltdown in geopolitics the US covered it up. That nuke got sold on the black market to people in Saudi Arabia that provided it to bin laden. It explains the whole 'jet fuel melting steel' thing. Also it explains why all the debris was shipped off site as quickly as possible because it contained radiation. The cover up was to prevent people from freaking out further, as well as the US own incompetence that lead to the issue in the first place.
BOJON_of_Brinstar ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:21:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that require 2 mini-nukes?
Not to mention the Pentagon and PA planes
nedjeffery ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:33:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah. I guess so. I dunno, I read it like 10 years ago.
John_ygg ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:29:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, so the claim is that they blew up a nuke in the towers?
nedjeffery ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Essentially. From what I remember it was incomplete or very small or something. Not the giant city levelling explosion type. It would have been in the plane.
imperial_ruler ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:22:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As crazy as it sounds, I guess the fact that so many people ended up getting cancer and all that afterward could hint to something. But I'm still doubtful a nuclear bomb was detonated in Manhattan.
MisanthropeX ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 02:52:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are so many things that can give you cancer, radiation is very far down the list.
Most people getting cancer from the WTC inhaled particles and got lung cancer. Same reason why asbestos causes cancer.
limprichard ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:18:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife volunteered for six months at the site, came down with stage 3 lung cancer 10 years later. She's all clear now, all's well for her, but I don't doubt this at all.
Thade780 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:53:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best of luck mate, give your wife a hug from me for all she has done to help.
nedjeffery ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was true, I think covering it up probably would have been the best thing to do actually.
thepurplehedgehog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....but then again if you'd asked most people at 8am on 9/11 if the twin towers could be brought down they'd have looked at you like you'd gone insane. 2 and a half hours later they were a pile of rubble.
brastius35 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:47:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This definitely didn't happen. Whoever made that up had basically zero knowledge of nuclear tech, that much I can tell you for sure. Also the melting steel thing doesn't need any further explanation, it's garbage science and as silly as the Obama birthers still unconvinced he was born in Hawaii.
Rockyrock1221 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:13:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have footage of both planes hitting the towers.
Nothing shown even comes close to the damage a nuke or "mini-nuke" (whatever the hell that is) would have caused.
Also how would they have even snuck a device like that onto a commercial airliner lol...
As for the cancer aspect comes from the burning debris and the asbestos (among other things) that was inhaled by anyone that was in the general vicinity when it happened. That shit gets in your lungs and fucks you up.
nedjeffery ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, I just thought it was a cool story is all.
Ball_Masher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an unlikely scenario that could never be verified. Also, there are far easier ways to explain the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" part. Most notably, the steel never fully melted, it just got hot enough to become compromised. The liquid metal falling appears to have come from the plane.
fadiphatu1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the first paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Soufan
Whouiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a new show called Inside The FBI. I think second to last episode is about 9/11 and yes, they very openly admit they messed up bigtime, biggest being an Al Queda switchboard that got a call from the west coast by 9/11 hijackers and was not followed up on by the FBI. Mistakes were definitely made.
Gingevere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You bumbling idiots! How could you have missed this!"
"We didn't miss it. Uhhh . . . We uhh . . We knew this would happen!"
"Well why didn't you stop it?"
"Oh, Umm . . Reasons, good reasons. Reasons that are most certainly not related to me and the level at which I meet the responsibilities of my station, or the whiskey and brick of cocaine in my desk"
AnnexedMuse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Pearl Harbor also somewhat along these lines? I feel like this is a pattern in US history...
Zacoftheaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah same deal. Warning signs were ignored, misunderstood, and incorrect information got jumbled into it so that by the time the attack happened no one was prepared.
Faeleena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I always imagine the only way that many people keep an awful secret like that is when no one is going to benefit from the truth and/or it's going to harm a lot of people. Like the experts losing jobs and not being there to divert another threat. :/ I don't know but I don't think it matters.
IrrelevantLeprechaun ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 03:13:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was an American planned attack that was outsourced to Saudi Arabia so they could find a reason to invade Iraq. Hell, the Pentagon "plane" was a fucking missile.
SomeRandomStranger12 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:34:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OBAMA TURNED MY FROGS GAY!
PM_ME_UR_EGGS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:15:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that we invaded Afghanistan in response to 9/11. The Iraq war wasn't until several years later.
Nv1023 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:31:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I thought Bush was a complete idiot? How could he pull off such a masterful plan and keep the hundreds of people involved in the coverup quiet? It's impossible
ThoughtsYouNever ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 03:27:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jehovah's witnesses the same year mentioned the melting temperature of steel beams months before the two towers go down. Alsso had a magazine on terrorism beforehand. They also hilighted the cruelty of Russians. But who's the one that made the movie "the two towers?" Hollywood. They do a lot of Shit beforehand. Like signal price fixings.
Prince was depicted on the back of a magazine or theirs as the king of Egypt. Few years later he died.
Russia is banning Jehovah's witnesses and has for years. They raid them now, seize their buildings..
-13 are you serious???? Why??????
DownvoteDaemon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:06:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People on /r/mandelaeffect can't even decide how many people were in the car when he died lol
DontCallMeInTheAM ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:39:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandpa and another guy used to hold auctions back then.
After Jack Ruby was arrested for shooting Lee Harvey Oslwald, they bought everything out of Ruby's Carousel Club. The night before the auction, the night clubs safe was stolen without a trace. (>250lb safe) The police never solved that case either.
Fun fact: My dad still uses Jack Ruby's spatula.
BillyTalentfan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:59:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of classified documents about JFK are going to be declassified in October of this year iirc.
sonia72quebec ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:27:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So incompetent that they lost JFK's brain.
Booney3721 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:47:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War sells and I am.sure the Mafia had some stake in it. With JFK in office, he was pushing for peace, then BAM! He is assassinated and war continues.
jake55555 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:24:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His brother Robert Kennedy was the AG at the time and had handed down some punishment on the Mafia. He refused to be interviewed for the warren commission but people said that he was always suspicious that his influence had something to do with it. There's a ton of documents to be declassified this year and I'm interested to see some of the things that were deemed "a threat to national security" in the 90's when they were originally supposed to be released.
Booney3721 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:38:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling there is going to be a LOT of black lines going through everything or its all falsified
SwitcherooU ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:06:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most interesting theory is that a nearby secret service agent panicked and discharged his weapon, which actually fired the lethal shot.
It would explain a couple of things: one, the impossible angle; and two, WHY there was a cover-up in the first place.
IvyGold ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:02:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been to Dealy Plaza. It's much more compact than it looks like in photos.
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:58:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. To give some perspective for those who've never been there, all of Oswald's shots were at a range of rather less than 100m.
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:16:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the "impossible angle" you refer to?
tydalt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the theories out there, this is the one that makes the most sense to me...
Thanks for posting that!
ubspirit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love believing in our government's incompetency, don't get me wrong, but I think it's far more likely that they knew what Oswald was planning and allowed it to happen because they wanted JFK gone.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:59:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jalapenohandjob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:24:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
omg it was totally just an accident, typical government incompetence duh!! jeez the people in power are just so dumb, rite?
This speech sends chills down my spine every time.
whyyounohelpme ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:13:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wouldn't surprise me. I've heard that the government knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor. Which may have been why the aircraft carriers were conveniently out to sea. But they let it happen to rally the public into going to war. Same with 9/11.
opiewon35 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:21:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. Most of the sailors stationed were new recruits by a large margin and a lot of the ships were known to be out of date and in poor condition.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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opiewon35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Americans were in the majority against the war. If we didn't act, we would be left behind as our allies invaded and weakened. They needed something to sway our thinking of the war...... It is common for this type of thing to happen all around the world but the scale of this conspiracy makes it unbelievable.
whyyounohelpme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:45:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The American people didn't support jumping into another world war. Sure some Americans might have agreed to go to war if no one got hurt but you let a few soldiers die and it's going to cause a frenzy.
rlbond86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Japanese didn't deliver the last coded message (the one declaring war) until AFTER they bombed Pearl Harbor.
whyyounohelpme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:47:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? The Japanese had been sending messages for days about attacking Pearl Harbor. And how they should do it. There was plenty of time for the government to pick up and decipher those messages.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show me
Genuine55 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:32:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/10/542531879/the-final-documents-on-jfk-s-assassination-are-being-declassified
To get you going. I'm way to lazy to dig through the actual primary sources.
Deradius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:25:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This falls in the same category as 'we knew about 9/11'.
Yeah, of course we did. Because every single day a hundred thousand pieces of intel pour into the FBI, CIA, secret service, you name it, saying everything from 'ISIS has a sleeper cell in every major city on the west coast' to 'The cartels are planning to take over El Paso' to 'Kermit the frog is going to assassinate Dick Cheney'.
It's like a million monkeys with a million typewriters. They probably get early warning on everything, but how do you pick out the real threats without the benefit of hindsight?
Some FBI office somewhere in October 1963:
'Hey, boss. Says here some loon who just came back from Russia with a bunch of Marx pamphlets is planning to shoot Kennedy in Dallas. Also I got one here that says Lucille Ball is a Russian spy.'
'Thanks, Dave. Pass me another donut.'
Onkel_Adolf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was mistakenly shot by his own bodyguard..the coverup was about incompetence.
pronhaul2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:51:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the general issue with Oswald is no one took him seriously and thought he'd go through with it.
Pretty much everyone (and this includes the Soviets, to whom he tried to defect before being kicked out) just viewed him as a sad loser with delusions of grandeur who was ultimately harmless.
So, they may have known he was talking, but lots of people talk. Oswald was the last guy they thought would actually do it.
Perspicacious01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're interested in it you should research the topic. Oswald never even fired a single shot
Veritas3333 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a pretty plausible theory that the headshot came from the secret service agent behind him accidentally pulling the trigger in surprise. Apparently after that LBJ reduced his entourage, and kept away from the secret service as much as possible. Though people say the body shot would have been enough to kill JFK anyway.
number1eaglesfan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:59:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See a documentary called 'the smoking gun'. The whole chain of events makes sense under the theory that Oswald shot JFK, but not fatally, with the 1st shot, and the only sober Secret Service man there blew open JFK's head accidentally with an AR15 while trying to swing the rifle toward the book building to return fire. The coverup was all directed toward typical government incompetence. The poor bastard that actually (accidentally) killed him did nothing wrong, he was one of the only responsible people on duty. His coworker accelerated the car they were in just as he went to shoot Oswald. Sad. This was before 'finger off the trigger' was taught commonly.
fishwithlegs1200 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oswald visited Russia for several years, and was a pretty normal guy. The cover up was most likely to prevent a war since if it was found out, the Russians would be instantly blamed despite them already proving to the u.s. government that they took no part in the assassination.
scothc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:05:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He tried renouncing his us citizenship, and attain Soviet citizenship. That's a bit more than "visited for several years"
fishwithlegs1200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said visited, because he returned to the U.S. and settled in Dallas in 1962.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's so many people who wanted JFK dead, it's unreal. And then to have some random person jump out in front of the cops and kill him? give me a break... Why didn't he pop him in the head? Probably was a blank in the gun, gave him plastic surgery, gave him some cash, and called it a day with his new identity.
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard that JFK was planning to work together to get to the moon with a joint force from Russia. If any of our presidents during the cold war could get that deal to happen, it was JFK. However, the end of the cold war would mean less money for FBI and CIA. While they may or may not have done it themselves, it was in their best interests to let it happen.
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty openly 'Oswald and Oswald alone did it' but I have zero doubts the same orginisations would conspire to cover up their incompetance.
DwarfAssassin35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard that JFK was about to do a press conference and put the CIA on blast and expose them for all the illegal stuff they were doing and hiding from the public at the time.
skandranon_rashkae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one I like is that his death was actually accidental. Oswald's shot missed (or hit, but didn't kill him; or he didn't fire at all, he was just an easy scapegoat depending on which reports you believe) and it was a secret service agent in the same car who fumblefingered his sidearm and blew the President's brains out. There was a special on that particular theory on the History Channel at one point.
Side note: my third grade teacher was in Dallas that day. We did a unit on the Presidents where we wrote speeches and filmed them, and she skipped JFK because it was too much to handle.
Choofwagon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was trying to pull America out of Vietnam
Dubious_Squirrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume those where these documents you mentioned? It looks like it takes monumental effort to sift through them and it would be kind of you to point out which ones gave you that idea.
You really should elaborate on this because God knows J.F.K assassination have enough of baseless conspiracy banter surrounding it.
ComradeGibbon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best argument I've read is the CIA and FBI had their hands so deep with deranged right wing and fascist groups in the US that they were terrified that they were unwittingly part of a conspiracy to kill the president.
Step 1: Fund a bunch of fascist anti-communists groups in TX.
Step 2: President is kilt.
Step 3: Panic
SlaughterhouseIce9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the most plausible ways to facilitate something like that. If you know it's going to happen, and just stay out of the way.
charlesgegethor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, what was the cover up of? That the CIA/FBI knew the assassination was going to happen, but botched stopping it and Oswald ended up doing it despite that?
Irishjuggalette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was a huge JFK fan and her theory always was it had something to do with the Mob. Something about they wanted their debts paid and he didn't want to pay them. So they killed him. But she is also a drunk, so yah never know. Lol
MrWigggles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Citation?
KerberusIV ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:43:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard an idea that one of the secret service men paniced slightly and ended up shooting the president on accident. They covered that up with the magic bullet. No grand mafia/aliens/curz's dad conspiracy, just the secret service trying to keep their reputation.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:27:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, in October the files will be release and all the important information will be... "redacted for our safety."
droidonomy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:39:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find the washing of the car and the instant subsequent murder of Oswald really strange.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:32:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the statistics on the deaths of witnesses. It's quite phenomenal
droidonomy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:38:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A google search led me to this. Interesting.
skynet2175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That list is unsettlingly long.
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 468 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a cover up, but it's not what you think.
JFK was shot by Oswald, but not in the head. A secret service agent in front of the car was startled, turned and accidentally fired his rifle, striking the president in the forehead. The cover up was to protect him.
[deleted] ยท 410 points ยท Posted at 19:37:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just shot
MarvinJFK in the face!toomuchpork ยท 236 points ยท Posted at 22:19:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you see a sign that says "dead president storage?"
thevegetexarian ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 01:30:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's cause storing dead presidents ain't my fuckin business.
jhorch69 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:20:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't need you to tell me how fucking good my coffee is, okay?
Gigadweeb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm out for dead presidents to represent me
eleyeveyein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo... a bank?
Brian3613 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:04:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You hit a bump!
PM_meyour_closeshave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
selfie with half headed Kennedy
idiot-prodigy ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 00:04:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the same documentary as you, and it had me convinced that this is what happened. It explained numerous military vet witnesses smelling gunpowder at ground level, including a policeman on an overpass that the motorcade drove under after the shots were fired. It also explains how two of Oswalds rounds were found intact, while the headshot round shattered (Hollow point ammo the secret service issued). Oswald was a Marksman but not a world class shot. It's possible he shot only twice in the allotted time frame, much more reasonable with his rifle. Immediately after this incident, the secret service no longer issued agents AR-15s. Think about this a second, why after a monumental failure of the secret service to protect the president, would they use LESS firepower to protect the next president? Imagine if after 9-11, the FAA REMOVED all cockpit doors and replaced them with plywood.
ihahp ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 04:27:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a multi part documentary called The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
Every episode of the documentary had a different theory on how he was killed, but EVERY EPISODE had me convinced, until the next one came on. At the end it just made me realize how persuasive and manipulative documentaries can be.
JeeveruhGerank ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:52:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate when people say "I just watched this documentary..."
HONRAR ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:25:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, yeah. The problem with documentaries is that you're being fed the director's idea of the thing.
EDIT: wait that's basically what /u/uhahp said.
MalooTakant ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Armchair Activists.
JediGuyB ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 01:20:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does seem suspicious.
0OKM9IJN8UHB7 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:58:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did they start issuing instead?
Reminds me of how when the NYPD switched from double action revolvers to Glocks their negligent discharge rate went through the roof (no pun intended), so they started (and still do) special ordering the guns with a much heavier trigger rather than train the officers to use proper trigger discipline.
GrumpyFalstaff ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:16:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was the name of the documentary? I've always been curious about this theory.
idiot-prodigy ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:51:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK the Smoking Gun
Bhargo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:39:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the funny part is you can watch it on youtube and the comments are filled with people making even crazier conspiracy theories using their armchair ballistic experts degrees to "prove" the lethal shot came from in front of him.
lexushelicopterwatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back, and to the left.
stonecutter7 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:09:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This fascinated me too, but i think there's a pretty decent debunking based on, among other things, the Bronson film.
http://22november1963.org.uk/did-a-secret-service-agent-kill-jfk-by-accident
crazyisthenewnormal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:15:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. And JFK's brain disappeared. The CIA told the doctor doing the autopsy that JFK's brother wanted the brain so the doctor gave it to them and it simply disappeared. That could have had evidence of hollow point ammo.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That poster was talking about a different theory, about an agent in FRONT of Kennedy hitting him in the forehead.
idiot-prodigy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I haven't heard that one.
4givemedaddy4isinned ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 23:04:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see you haven't yet found the next level of the cover up. The secret service shooting is actually a ploy to throw you off the the fact that his head just did that.
thebendavis ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:14:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spinal Tap Drummer syndrome.
askacanadian ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 20:19:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More to protect the secret service and its reputation then the single agent.
270343 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:15:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Him and the rest of the secret service - if they could have got away with it, I'm sure they would have hung him to dry, but you can bet we would have done away with the Secret Service if it came out that they shot the president.
HairyDonkeyBallz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this reasoning perfectly demonstrates how nor formal agreements are needed for massive conspiracies.
270343 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:02:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone fucks up, and a bunch of people with skin in the game desperately try to cover their own asses. It's the basic conspiracy formula.
CanisMaximus ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:02:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read that book. However there are a few things wrong with it, such as the angle at which the bullet entered JFK's skull and there were no witnesses who saw this or heard a bullet being fired at close range.
I believe there is a conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination, but it has to do with others setting up Oswald as a "patsy." Who those people are is speculation.
TheFlashFrame ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:27:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dude. Oswald was a straight up Patsy. That's the conspiracy. Too bad we'll never be allowed to know who set him up.
MagicSPA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:33:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The angle of the bullet is discussed in the book, and it is established that it is compatible with Kennedy's head position and the visible damage.
Also, there was at least one witness (possibly more, I'm doing this from memory) who said that the shot came from the immediate area of the motorcade. I don't know how you can read "Mortal Error" and not know these things.
CanisMaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the book. I didn't agree with the hypotheses. Neither did the experts. Here
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then how come you didn't know about the angle of the alleged bullet being compatible with the damage to Kennedy's head?
How come you didn't know about the witness who said they heard a shot coming from the area of the motorcade itself?
Did you at least read about the witness who said they saw an agent with a gun and thought he had shot at someone, or the witness who saw an agent fall over at the time of the last shot?
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you didn't. Because if you did, you'd know that both of those issues were discussed in the book.
CanisMaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the book. I didn't agree with the hypotheses. Neither did the experts. Here
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't, and neither did the author of that article that I read a long time ago. Both of you are in obvious error about the contents of the book.
I'm not saying that you're wrong because your ideas don't line up with mine. We haven't even gotten to the point where we can talk about ideas.
We're stuck at the beginning because neither you nor just about any source I've ever seen trying to debunk it seem to be aware of what's actually in the damned thing.
Sacket ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:02:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats Roy Killerman my great great uncle. Look him up on wikipedia. I never met him but according to my family his home was searched after the assassination. He served under 3 presidents and, again according to my family, he thought LBJ was behind it.
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:45:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The agent who allegedly accidentally shot JFK was George Hickey.
Sacket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good to know. But he wasn't riding shotgun in JFKs car.
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. /u/PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU is saying Kellerman was the one who fired the fatal shot, though.
Sacket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I understand what you're saying. Gotcha thanks.
TheMobHasSpoken ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:25:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't necessarily believe this, but it would make Jackie's reaction of trying to crawl out of the car make more sense; she'd be trying to get away from the close-range shot she just heard.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:34:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She held her husband's brains in her hands. She was crawling towards him, if you watch the film.
crazyisthenewnormal ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:16:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She crawled over and picked up a piece of his head.
Thatguysstories ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:23:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was a SS agent in the follow car jolted and fired his rifle, hitting JFK in the back of the head.
mudgetheotter ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 21:45:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dayamn, Hitler had a long reach from his hideout in Argentina (or Brazil).
dukevyner ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:37:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Back and to the left"
CorkyKribler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Back... and to the left."
KennethKnot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:51:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Keith Hernandez.
Homosapien_Ignoramus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would have to be some incredibly unlucky (lucky?) headshot to get. It's possible but not entirely likely.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK's head was about 8 yards away. As negligent discharges go, there have been less lucky shots than that.
ExskweezeMe ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:26:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accidentally fired his rifle at the exact same moment Oswald shot? Sounds plausible.
filo4000 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:13:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accidentally fired his rifle while in the midst of panic after being fired upon makes total sense
ExskweezeMe ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:08:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't happen. Do you guys realize that the Zapruder film has been viewed and studied by thousands of experts? This theory is not even mentioned as being in the realm of possibility by anyone other than unreliable conspiracy theorists. There are literally dozens of more likely scenarios.
ronin95 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually a forensics expert who examined the data and the ME report came up with it and conspiracy theorists reject it because its not a government conspiracy
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:43:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "Secret Service killed JFK" theory was first proposed by a gunsmith in Baltimore, not a "forensics expert".
ronin95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFKย is a 1992 non-fiction book by Bonar Menninger outlining a theory byย sharpshooter,ย gunsmith, andย ballisticsย expert Howard Donahue that aย secret serviceย agent accidentally fired the shot that actually killed Presidentย John F. Kennedy.
Ballistics expert. A sub class of forensics dealing with projectiles. So a forensics expert had the theory.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No; the theory is that the agent's shot was stand-alone, and wasn't accompanied by a bullet from Oswald.
Actually, if I remember the book right, if the agent were standing in the back of the follow-up car, a headshot from Oswald would have to have passed through the agent to hit Kennedy.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. The traditional narrative is that Oswald fired three shots (I'm going from memory here, so I may get a few details wrong):
Howard Donahue, the guy talked about in the book, "Mortal Error," hypothesizes that Oswald took only two shots:
Then, some short amount of time after the second bullet had been fired (not more than a few seconds), the secret service agent in the tail car stood up on the seat to try to get a better view, but slipped and staggered, which caused an accidental discharge of his rifle. This was the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An agent in the tail car.
Also, maybe they don't carry rifles, but this sure is one funny-looking pistol.
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. No one ever suggested they happened at the exact same time.
stonecutter7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This fascinated me too, but i think there's a pretty decent debunking based on, among other things, the Bronson film.
http://22november1963.org.uk/did-a-secret-service-agent-kill-jfk-by-accident
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing on that webpage in any way debunks anything in Mortal Error. The author clearly hasn't read the book.
stonecutter7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Bronson had been standing on the concrete peristyle at the southโwestern corner of the junction of Houston Street and Main Street. When Bronson captured the head shot on film, he was about 60 yards from Kennedy, and almost directly opposite Abraham Zapruder. This portion of Bronsonโs film lasts only two seconds, and is of inferior quality to the Zapruder. George Hickey is visible, on the third row of seats at the back of the Secret Service car. His gun is not visible. Immediately in front of Hickey was President Kennedyโs political associate, Kenneth OโDonnell. In front of OโDonnell was the driver, Sam Kinney. In front of Kinney, and extending beyond the top of Kinneyโs head, was the carโs windscreen, with both visors raised. To shoot President Kennedy, Hickey would have had to stand up or raise his gun to at least the level of his head, and the film shows that he does neither."
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the Bronson film? The segment of the film this writer speaks of is so fuzzy and indistinct that the specificity of claims made in that paragraph is silly and laughable. You can barely make out individual persons as anything more than dots, let alone figure out what they're doing.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:20:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
inconsistent with the autopsy report.
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:44:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why they call it a cover up.
If you care to look at such things, you can find pictures of JFK on the morgue table, clearly showing he had been shot from the front.
JigglestheCamel ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:12:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're probably not qualified to make that assessment.
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you hear? Everyone on Reddit is an expert.
notarealaccount_yo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link me fam
archetech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes a lot of sense.
On the other hand, I was just convinced Paul Pierce pooped his pants in game 2 of the 2008 playoffs until I read the footage was actually from game 1 so I'm still skeptical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whaaat? I was just at the 6th floor Museum in Dallas today and there was obviously no mention of that. Interesting if true. Sources?
I thought it was interesting Jackie said 'they've killed Jack' like it was a group that they had been aware of wanting to kill him had shot him.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a book called "Mortal Error" that details this possible scenario.
jerkmanj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite kind of conspiracy. No shadowy conglomerate, no secret codes, just a massive screw up and a bunch of idiots trying to do what they can to cover it up.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's certainly the most likely kind of conspiracy in my book. I believe that most people are basically decent and that any truly malevolent conspiracy of any magnitude would be outed pretty quickly by one or more people who had a conscience attack.
But on the other hand, people are prideful and easily embarrassed, and I could definitely see something like this, where the truth would not help anyone and would harm everyone involved, being covered up.
heartshapedpox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would he have needed protection? In theory, what would have happened had a secret service agent clearly and accidentally did that? (I'm not typing that term, nope!)
crazyisthenewnormal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree except I don't think it was an accident but that he was hired by Allen Dulles.
dec0ded13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I shot the president . . . but I did not shoot the deputy
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:25:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I'd heard it all, but that's a new one on me. That's even more far out than Menninger's "Mortal Error" (about an agent behind Kennedy negligently discharging his gun).
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no credible evidence for that theory. Here's an article that pretty thoroughly dismantles the theory.
The publisher who originally published it was sued by the Secret Service agent in question and lost.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! The Donahue scenario.
weiers08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the theory I believed. Technically Oswald did kill Kennedy using the transitive property.
filo4000 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% believe this, that the secret service accidentally shot jfk in the head in the panic of oswald opening fire on the car. I can totally understand why they would want to cover it up, honestly, I feel really bad for that ss guy, and really, oswald was the one at fault for creating the panic
pgabrielfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a show on Netflix about this theory but I can't remember the name of it! It made much more sense than any other theories I've heard of. Really quite convincing. You see it and remember the name?
ineververify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
smoking gun
pgabrielfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the secret service agent also accidentally shot JFK made a lot of sense. There is a persuasive youtube presentation to that effect.
ShutterBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was the thesis of a book called "Mortal Error" which has been thoroughly debunked and sued out of existence.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen any "debunking" of Mortal Error that did not make numerous factual mistakes about the content of the book.
And the fact that the author was sued by the Secret Service agent involved has precisely zero bearing on its factuality.
ShutterBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:08 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The book HAS no factuality (other than the first couple of chapters)
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another one who hasn't even read the damn book.
As with the other guy in this thread trying to claim that it's debunked, we aren't even at the point where we can debate ideas because you don't even know what ideas are even in the book.
ShutterBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:19 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I own the damn book, and have read it. It's nonsense.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:06 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What specific claims do you take issue with? I'm going way out on a limb here by assuming you have any.
ShutterBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:12 on August 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donahue's theory relies on outdated information, questionable trajectory calculations, and requires a fantastic leap in logic that a Secret Service agent "just happened" to accidentally shoot JFK a few inches from where he'd been shot seconds earlier. He ignores (or is unaware of) neutron activation testing which proved that all bullet fragments came from Oswald's Carcano. He ignores the dent on the inside of the windshield frame, which is inconsistent with a shot from Hickey's location. He depends on an undefined "cover-up" of such massive proportions, it isn't even worth considering.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:19 on August 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of these are legitimate issues that I'm going to look into further, but there are a couple big problems:
The skull entry wound is too small for a 6.5 mm Carcano (I can't recall the exact size), even if you allow for some compression.
A thick-jacketed bullet could not have created that wound. No possible way. It would require much more fragmentation and energy transfer than the Carcano could manage.
ShutterBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:51 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The entry wound size is perfectly compatible with the 6.5mm bullet, given the contraction of the wound.
The head-shot bullet did fragment, and the fragments are in evidence. They came from Oswald's rifle, to the exclusion of all other weapons. The unique rounded nose of Oswald's ammunition made it more prone to fragmentation and deformity than a pointed-nose bullet (which the AR-15 uses), as well as the tell-tale "skidding" effect observed to the skull.
LOTS of tests have been done with Carcano rounds on human skulls, and it's perfectly capable of the damage we see in JFK's head. Not only that, there are some 40+ lead fragments that were seen in JFK's brain. Every one that has been tested with neutron activation has been demonstrated to have come from Oswald's ammo.
Sooooooooooooomebody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if that particular story is true, but I do suspect that JFK's death was probably an accident and that the assassination story was to save face during the worst depths of the cold war. The CIA would very much like to present America as a nation where something so insanely random and incompetent could never happen, but if there's anything I know about America, it's that random and incompetent are our two biggest exports.
Truan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is one I've heard emerging recently, with the addition that the SS boys were hung over.
another one I'm hearing is that it was a mob hit (would explain the multiple angle bullets/extra shooters), and that Oswald was the fall guy.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The interesting thing about the Donahue scenario is that it doesn't attempt to explain why Oswald was up in the book repository that day. It only attempts to explain what happened after he fired his first shot.
Truan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you'll have to elaborate more on all that
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Donahue scenario (the SS agent accidentally fires his gun and improbably hits Kennedy in the head) only deals with what happened AFTER Oswald opened fire. It has nothing to say about why Oswald was trying to kill Kennedy in the first place.
HussellWilson ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:41:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would explain why Jack Ruby, who was affiliated with the mob, was able to kill Oswald in his jail cell.
doom32x ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:57:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, he killed Oswald while in transport. Everybody who knew Ruby said he loved JFK, and most people think the Mob would have never trusted Ruby due to the fact that he was a goober of the highest degree.
HussellWilson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mistake, he was in the police station, I always just assumed that meant he was in his cell.
doom32x ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:06:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I'm surprised you never saw the picture before, it's quite well known.
Eddie_Hitler ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hanlon's Razor.
Since when would the CIA ever admit to killing the President, accidentally or otherwise?
Irishman318 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:49:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Occam's razor
Do you realize how many people you'd have to keep quiet if it was the CIA's doing, purposefully or otherwise?
je1008 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:52:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap razors. Dollar Shave Club
Interwebnets ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:17:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever heard the story of the creation of the Nuclear bomb? It is among many other real life events in history that took place in secrecy while thousands of people worked on the project.
This reasoning of "too many people to keep secret" is just wrong, and thoroughly debunked throughout history as well as plenty things going on right now.
njew ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:13:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there were Soviet spies in the Manhattan project. That's how they got nuclear bombs so quickly after us. It wasnt kept secret.
ruiner8850 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:09:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue isn't that high clearance people can't keep a secret, it's that a secret like the JFK assassination would have had to have been kept a secret for this long. A short time maybe, but someone would eventually have said something. Also, a lot of people might be involved with some top secret things, but that doesn't always mean that they know exactly what what they are working on is for. I'd imagine a lot of people who technically worked on the Manhattan Project had no idea what they were actually working on.
Interwebnets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, exactly, that's the point. 10k people don't have to keep a secret to contribute to said secret project.
My original comment was to refute that line of thinking that says they would.
ruiner8850 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely agree when it comes to things like the Manhattan Project, but I do use this line of thinking with things like the Moon landing conspiracy theorists or the disgusting Sandy Hook deniers. It really depends on the individual conspiracy theory to estimate how many people were involved.
funnysman9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ever hear the tragedy of John F Kennedy? It's not a story the US government would tell you...
grokforpay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:56:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, excellent example. I have heard of it, it was not kept secret.
I_AM_A_MOTH_AMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You heard it decades later after we dropped two of the suckers, GrokForPay.
Interwebnets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the general public of the world, yes it was, for years.
Rorynne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thing is though, the key word is "was" it wasnt kept secret for ever like something like the JFK assassination would need to be. Im not on one side or the other of how many people you need to keep a secret. but in the end that particular secret got spilled in some way or another.
randarrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thousands of the people working on the creation of the bomb didn't know what they were doing. Heard a story of one woman who found out because she saw a picture of herself in a museum.
HussellWilson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not very many. The CIA is very compartmentalized, an agent probably doesn't know what other agents are working on unless they have a need to know. An operation like this would probably be conceived and carried out by some rogue ideological faction within the agency, I doubt even the DCI would know about it since they're usually political appointees. So maybe like 2 people, both of whom are extremely motivated to keep it a secret.
Irishman318 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 22:48:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! Trust the guy who doesn't even source anything on the internet, people! He knows all!
HussellWilson ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:58:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck's your problem? We're just speculating on conspiracy theories why should I have to source anything? How could I source this? If I had a source it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory.
You're a dick.
Ordotrio ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:41:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and this is how ignorance spreads like wildfire...Well, this and Facebook.
How dare you demand proof for my wild speculations? You must be an ASSHOLE.!
We are all fucking doomed, doomed, doomed.
HussellWilson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:48:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want proof... for my speculations about a conspiracy theory??? Jesus christ, the whole point is nobody knows; I took a guess at what could have happened, you want me to prove it? Basically just prove that Kennedy was killed by the CIA? Sure no problem, why wouldn't I be able to do that?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:55:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HussellWilson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, seems like you're taking this pretty personally. If you don't want to hear people guess at what might have happened with conspiracy theories maybe don't go on a conspiracy theory thread. I seriously don't know what your problem is, but you need help.
Javert__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty extreme level of anger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ordotrio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You people make me sick, sick , sick. Go to your safe space and drink another latte, little lambs. The big bad wolf and his scary words can't actually hurt you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ordotrio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you really got me there. Now I know I've been shamed.....
Plastic fantastic losers got the big hared fool elected now they use it as an insult............
ddddddddddooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeddddddddd
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ordotrio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two words : Throbbing Gristle
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ordotrio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:36:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nevermind sucks. Nirvana Sucks. I wish I could have done Cobain myself
Stop listening to corporate bullshit. That's your first problem.
Nerdiana ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:35:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you beat me to it.
Newb_A_Lube ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a cool piece of information. Any chance you have supporting evidence? This one actually makes sense
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's s book called Mortal Error that describes the whole thing in detail. Like any jfk theory there's a number of people aiming to poke holes in it. Not least of which was the secret service agent, who sued the author over it, but dropped it before the book was published.
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George Hickey sued the publisher of that book and won in 1998.
stonecutter7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This fascinated me too, but i think there's a pretty decent debunking based on, among other things, the Bronson film.
http://22november1963.org.uk/did-a-secret-service-agent-kill-jfk-by-accident
TheAb5traktion ยท 285 points ยท Posted at 17:46:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard of The Wink?
This is a picture of LBJ getting sworn in as President after JFK was assassinated. Standing next to him is Jackie Kennedy. The person who LBJ is looking at is Democratic congressman Albert Thomas from Houston, TX. At the moment of the picture, Thomas is winking at LBJ. This picture has led many conspiracy theorists to believe that those responsible for the assassination of JFK goes all the way up to LBJ. Also, what you don't see in the picture is JFK's blood on Jackie's coat.
one-eleven ยท 465 points ยท Posted at 20:25:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems like a pretty sloppy giveaway, can't imagine that to be true.
If the conspiracy is so sloppy that you're willing to wink at the guy at the top of it while the dead man's wife is in the same room with a photographer I don't think you're able to hold that secret for long.
[deleted] ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 21:43:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how these clues always work. Running a secret organisation that rules everything? Put your logo on money so that some people have a chance at figuring it out! Pretending to be Shakespeare? Devise a complicated code in the texts, so some people have the chance of figuring it out!
Killed the president to take his job? Make sure there's a photo of you winking so some people have a chance at figuring it out!
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:28:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ย "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
(Paraphrase of Hitler)
PureWhey ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:36:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a wink would be the procedure after a coupe like that neither...
kaenneth ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:16:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's more high-five level.
trapper2530 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:02:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking chest bump.
venustrapsflies ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:08:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can't tell it's an actual wink from a single frame; a lot of people blink asymmetrically.
trippingchilly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:45:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah plus he was in a convertible
LamZeppelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, LBJ was never known for his subtlety. He was a fan of taking his dick out in meetings and what not
buttertost ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:54:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention by the time the photographer would have noticed the wink he wouldn't have enough time to take the photo before the wink was over
digitalmofo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:22:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he was just taking a picture and happened to catch the "wink." If it's a wink.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 20:57:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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K3fka_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:52:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of the wink supporting this is pretty weak to begin with. What reason would he have to wink at all? It just gives people fuel for theories like this, and if it were true, it's just making it possible to figure it out.
TreeBaron ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 21:22:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if it was just like the Seinfeld episode but in real life.
CIA: "Do you want JFK killed?"
Thomas: "No!"
Winks
LBJ: "You didn't have JFK assassinated did you?"
Thomas: "Of course not."
Winks
johns2289 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:04:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PULP CAN MOVE BABY!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:45:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit if im about to carry the stress of the world on my shoulders and my main dude JFK just got shot I would want some sort of confidence boost as im about to signup for the hardest 4 years of my life.
That or LBJ showed Thomas his dick and Thomas wasnt gay but 20 is 20.
gaslightlinux ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:35:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Want a rabbit hole? Here's the Wikipedia page of the person who's testimony made people think of Oswald as crazy. What's crazier? He wrote a book about Oswald a year before the assassination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Wendell_Thornley
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:16:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conspiracy aside, I feel so bad for Jackie Kennedy in that picture. I can't imagine what that would have been like for her, and the detail that her husband's blood is still on her jacket is so disturbing.
TroyBarnesBrain ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:03:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even realize it until later on. My sister was in a really nasty bike accident 10 years ago when she fell into a dry riverbed and her face was cut open. My dad was wearing a yellow plaid dress shirt with her blood on it for about 2 hours before he realized he should take it off while we were waiting in a hospital lobby. I didn't notice, but I apparently took our TV remote with us to the hospital, and was holding it the entire time. In times of extreme distress, the amount of adrenaline pumping through you can make you do all kinds of nutty fucking shit.
LHOOQatme ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:53:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read each and every instance of LBJ as LeBron James
Sawgon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:54:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he was president, even if people loved him, he'd hold this huge conference after the first 4 years to announce that he's taking his talents to North Korea
Scameron313 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:51:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LePresident
learningtowalkagain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:03:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard of this one, but it, along with the "photographic evidence" made me laugh.
dieterschaumer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:47:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've once been promoted up due to someone leaving the position for personal reasons, and a work acquaintance "winked" at me as a kind of tone deaf thumbs up.
And no, that shouldn't be evidence that I killed someone's father over in Minnesota. If you think a grainy photograph of someone maybe making an odd gesture is evidence on its own you're an idiot.
thestickystickman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:33:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, conspiracy theorists are retarded.
MableXeno ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:37:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They made JFK black and put him in a nursing home.
SkyWest1218 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:43:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then he
lickedkilled a mummy with Elvis.Edit: wtf autocorrect
MableXeno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Licked = slang for beat! ;D
Adamskinater ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:08:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he wasn't shot, what if his head just did that on its own
VikingTeddy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:31:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has been my go to theory.
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 20:04:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This professor thoroughly debunks any and all conspiracy theories related to the JFK assassination
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
AlanDorman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:13:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oswald just seems like an unlikely candidate for the "lone nut," with his military background, his links to Ferrie/the Civil Air Patrol right-wingers, and "no questions asked" return from the USSR after having renounced his citizenship. I believe he killed Kennedy, but also think there was something to his "just a patsy" statement.
You seem well informed, what do you think about that?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:17:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who gets killed by a CIA agent before standing trial is definitely a patsy.
Lozzif ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:22:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ruby wasn't a CIA agent...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:28:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, right, sorry, Mafia operative.
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's had to keep track of the different conspiracy theories. There's so many that are all 'so compelling'
None of them with evidence. But compelling.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:27:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ballistics do not match up with someone shooting him from the front, tho
LoveandRockets ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:51:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1976 concluded that there probably was a conspiracy. And it didn't involve the Russians, Cuba, Cuban exiles in the US, the CIA, FBI, Secret Service or the Mafia. (Even though weird inconsistencies came up with all of them.)
So, case closed.
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on a debunked dictatape.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's known that the FBI was surveiling Oswald. The cover-up is just that the FBI didn't want everyone to know that they were watching him closely and still managed to miss a presidential assassination plot.
It's not a super exciting cover up, but it absolutely was a cover up.
mcvey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, every JFK theorist should read this.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:46:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the movie "JFK" as a teenager, and immediately didn't believe in any conspiracies surrounding his death after watching it.
I found this guy's website, and he told the truth about the situation, that the guy who started the conspiracy investigation was OBSESSED with homosexuals, and truly believed that the assassination was a "homosexual thrill kill", and put a gay man on trial over it. Iirc, the jury took about 15 minutes to come back with a "not guilty" verdict.
Literally every aspect of the conspiracies surrounding that are horsehite
steelpeat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:50:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the explanation in this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faOUDoRmK_E
Dinsdale_The_Piranha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that's just absurd. Here's a song about what really happened, along with some JFK history: https://youtu.be/K7y2xPucnAo
Of course, this version is just as valid: https://youtu.be/W6naJ08Tskk
JeffDenlon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:45:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've always assumed that there was more to JFK's death. I've never thought Oswald was framed like so many people do though. I figured he was always involved and was scapegoated for the whole thing and then killed before he could talk. There is too much weird shit surrounding it to be a single guy.
s0lidsnack1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:07:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read "Libra" by Don DeLillo. Super plausible hypothetical as to how Oswald was a patsy.
tommytwochains ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:57:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Dan Carlin said it could have been a cover-up to prevent ww3 due to the assassination being carried out by a soviet agent.
QE3TRFAW4EHGBSZE4GF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you imagine nowadays if an ex military US citizen moved out of the country to one that was at odds with America, returned and killed a politician. Nobody would even question that the person was working on behalf of the country they moved to and/or was 'radicalized' there. I'm more surprised that this isn't the most accepted story and that there is such a range of theories muddying the waters.
noseymimi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read Steven Kings book 11/22/63. I just finished it last week, wonderful story.
digitalmofo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, James Franco on Hulu. Maybe not quite the book, but a great show.
skynet2175 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:26:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I just wish it was one or two episodes longer so they could have spent more time exploring all the post apocalyptic worlds that happen when JFK lives.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have long thought the coverup or frame job wasn't because he was innocent, but because they had fucked up the evidence and so were just framing him for good measure. Or that the protection was wrong somehow. Not that there was actually some nefarious plot, just a lot of cya.
darklordoftech ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't help but wonder if J. Edgar Hoover was behind the assasinations of both Kennedys and Martin Luther King, Jr.
skynet2175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't doubt it.
Dwarf_Of_Nordinbad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:02:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One detail you should note is that secret service ushered the Dallas PD off the scene as the PD was actually actively investigating. If it was a plot to kill JFK I don't think they would have clued them in. DPD discovered the bullet in the concrete and I think they could have figured out a lot more if the secret service didn't shoo them away.
Lozzif ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh. No they didn't.
GatoNanashi ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:11:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Oswald killed Kennedy, but I also think people in our own government put him up to it.
ruiner8850 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Oswald fired the shots and maybe others others were somewhat involved, but not necessarily our government.
LogieD223 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:21:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if his head just kinda... did that. Spontaneous exploding head syndrome?
chris622 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:11:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, I believe there was a second shooter, though I don't know who it would have been or their motivation.
Mw348 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lyin' Ted's father of course.
natasharost0va ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:55:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe as backup in case Oswald missed/chickened out?
chris622 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given how many people/agencies are speculated to have been in on it, that could be.
Eternity_Incarnate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, there was debate as to how many gunshots were heard. Some say the surrounding buildings produced and echo that sounded like an extra shot.
But I learned elsewhere that there is a sniper trick where you fire at the same time as somebody else to mask your own shot.
The huge hole in this idea, however, is how in the hell are you ever going to time that right?
MJive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cuban exiles getting revenge for the failure of the bay of pigs invasion?
TastyFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the theory from the Illuminatus! Trilogy:
Oswald was the assassin, a second sniper was sent to kill Oswald, and when sniper 2 saw a third shooter, he said "fuck it" and shot JFK himself.
serene420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all of you watch this
some of the "claims" are extrapolated but those that have clear evidence to them show some very shocking revelations about the whole ordeal.
https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM
sleepingonstones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
209 whut
cracked_belle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. I didn't watch the Zapruder film until a few years ago. Yes, he was shot from the front. Doesn't mean it was CIA / Cuba / Russia / aliens...I could see them wanting to cover up simply for such a lapse in security. (Though LBJ does not smell like roses to be honest.)
JFK was shot from more than one angle, period.
[deleted] ยท 2168 points ยท Posted at 16:17:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
David Stern forced Jordan to leave the NBA because of gambling and that is linked to his father's death.
80sKidsAreSmarter ยท 910 points ยท Posted at 18:18:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this to be true as well. Jordan was a well known gambler and there was no sense in tarnishing the image of him or the NBA, so his suspension was guised as a retirement. Unrelated, he's said to be a real dickhead
[deleted] ยท 586 points ยท Posted at 21:59:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems to be the standard takeaway from an "I met Michael Jordan!" celebrity encounter.
mcsweeney94 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 04:16:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No all accounts point to Jordan being an absolute asshole to his teammates, coaches, opponents and anyone he thought got in his way. Many accounts say this not just some rando asking for a photo with him.
SpaceTornadoOgawa ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 05:40:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bugs Bunny?
-500- ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 03:34:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I've met him. Absolute cunt he is.
crunchone ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:02:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Story time
-500- ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 05:42:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much of a story, really. I've worked with a few notable athletes through my job and he was the worst by far. Just a cold, heartless asshole at every opportunity.
I worked on a team that produced creative work/events for Air Jordan. Had to present ideas to him and keep him involved on some shit we were doing. He never once said thank you, would openly talk shit about you while you were still in the room. In fact, he would never actually talk to you he would only communicate through his handlers while you were sitting at the same table. Really weird shit.
One time he made our producer throw his shoes in the trash because he was wearing normal Nikes and not Jordans. Everyone treats him like a literal God so he treats everyone like an underling. Once the event was concluded and everyone was just sort of hanging out relaxing, a younger kid from our team who idolized him asked him for an autograph (granted, we were instructed not to) and he flicked cigar ash at him and laughed and walked away.
Horrible experience every time we had to work directly with him. He is notoriously non-trusting of people.
Kevin Durant, on the other hand, is fucking chill. As is Blake Griffin.
MY-HARD-BOILED-EGGS ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 06:42:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I kinda wish the Monstars won
Political_moof ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 07:15:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sucks living in Chicago where people idolize him despite him being a piece of shit.
I'm a huge Bulls fan. He was a great player. I'm grateful for what he brought to the city and our team.
But people shouldn't idolize dickheads.
galenwolf ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:02:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Throw sneakers in the trash? HA FUCK THAT. Would have told the cockwomble to jog on with that demand.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell. What an absolute Cock
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:18:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think part of it the "Jordan is an asshole" is related to how difficult he could be to play with. He demanded perfection. That made him win, but also made him difficult to deal with.
I occasionally hear people lament that Shaquille O'Neal could have been so much more had he more of "Jordan's singular drive". That he doesn't have that "singular drive" and insistence on perfection is what makes O'Neal a better person.
mayerpotatohead ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:37:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Shaq was a huge asshole, always stirring up drama among teammates (particularly Kobe). Shaq was just way better at PR than Kobe, so he walked away looking like the big nice guy.
WaxStatue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:34:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the last finals with Shaq and Kobe. The Pistons won precisely because Kobe was not letting Shaq take over. He was holding the ball and killing possessions. It was Detroit's strategy to make him do it, and his pride kept him from passing. Yes, Shaq had some shit to say about Kobe from time to time, but Kobe earned most of it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of both, and I think the situation worked out as well as it was likely to for all parties, but Kobe was the bigger issue in their relationship.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:06:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Kevin Durant because he's on the Warriors and he's being so fucking tone deaf when it comes to why people are mad about their superteam, but I also can't hate him because everytime I hear about someone meeting him he's always really nice.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:45:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Michael Jordan at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnโt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, โOh, like youโre doing now?โ
I was taken aback, and all I could say was โHuh?โ but he kept cutting me off and going โhuh? huh? huh?โ and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like โSir, you need to pay for those first.โ At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually โto prevent any electrical infetterence,โ and then turned around and winked at me. I donโt even think thatโs a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
-500- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:27:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is copypasta. I've seen people post the exact same shit for other celebs. Are you a bot?
shnigybrendo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:31:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got my popcorn.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 07:12:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DezBryantCaughtIt ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:23:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Chamillionaire story about Michael Jordan is hilarious.
HighlylronicAcid ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 09:49:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Link for the lazy:
https://youtu.be/y4ZQERHL6ow
simplyanass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving this for when I have wifi to watch
CompleteDerp ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:58:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so Space Jam lied to me?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:29:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nike bought out the whole restaurant I was bartending at for some Jordan event. Jordan was in attendance. By the end of the night, Jordan had gone through one whole bottle of Don Julio 1942. By the time he got to the second bottle, he was arguing with the other bartender that he didn't pour him Don Julio 1942. And what do you do? Argue back? He poured him again right in front of him, so Jordan would have no second doubts. For someone so respected, even if beyond rich, he came off as such a loser that night.
madeformarch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:35:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having met Michael Jordan while he was golfing, I certify this to be true.
McJigglets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:47 on November 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ran into him when I was a kid walking out of the Pro Shop at Hapuna Beach on the Big Island. Drunk like a skunk.
ThouArtMortal ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:54:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, being one of the most iconic sports figures on the planet, the sheer amount of harassment he receives in public probably gets pretty old.
Berowalt ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 07:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Different but relatable in my eyes would be Dwayne "the rock" Johnson. The man just seems like a wonderful person. From his fame from wwe to being s movie star, all accounts I ever hear is him loving his fans and being a genuinely nice man.
I love Dwayne Johnson though, I could be biased. He was my role model on my weight loss journey. I'd listen to him talk smack before every running session.
SpacedApe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:48:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've seen/heard it appears that pro-wrestlers seem to be some of the most down-to-earth and kind celebrities.
bozon92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:18:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, when the Rock transitioned to acting, I was very instinctively dismissive. But when he showed he had the comedy chops and I started hearing all the first-person accounts of how he was just such a genuinely good guy to everyone he met, I couldn't help but become a fan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I really liked him in Southland Tales.
bozon92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually so happy you mentioned that one, that was actually the first movie I saw him in that I really started to reconsider my stance. I saw it so many years ago and it was so weird, but so good...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:01 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought his work in it showed he had range and a sense of humor. I think the first thing I saw him in was some Scorpion King movie and... it was what it was. Cinematic distraction at ten cents a minute. Not good, not bad, just there.
But Southland Tales rocks!
bozon92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the first time I actually saw him was in that Mummy movie where the Rock shows up half Scorpion at the end, wasn't a great display of his skills. Scorpion King was not bad, but it felt like a lob of a role for Rock. But yes, Southland Tales really gave me an idea of the depth of his ability.
ther3ddler ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 04:54:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wayne Gretzky was bigger in his sport(Hockey) then Jordan could ever hopr to be and everything points to him being a pretty good dude. The worst rumours are that he likes his booze but most people don't have a bad thing to say about him.
I've met him, good guy.
Edit: I didn't mean to spark such a fierce debate of Gretzky and Jordan. My point is superstardom doesn't give you a free pass to be a piece of shit to everyone. We are all human, treat people with respect no matter how famous you are.
naphini ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 06:31:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gretzky was better at his sport than Jordan, but that's totally irrelevant. Jordan was a much, much, much bigger celebrity than Gretzky.
ther3ddler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan was definitely a bigger celebrity but relative to Canada, Gretz is as big an icon as Jordan.
Just because you're a celebrity doesn't give you a free pass to be a shitty person.
naphini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it doesn't excuse it at all. There are a lot of huge celebrities who are reputedly very friendly and decent.
PRMan99 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I met Gretzky at his restaurant in Canada.
He shut the doors and ate his meal while people were trying to mob him (his handlers politely but firmly told people to "go sit down") but then spent the next 2 hours shaking everyone's hands, giving autographs and taking pictures, before retiring to a private room with his brother and his handlers.
And he was even trembling as he shook my hand (like a vise grip). He clearly isn't a natural at interacting with people but did it anyway for the good of the sport.
Gretzky was truly amazing with the fans and an all-around super nice guy.
[deleted] ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 04:59:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:07:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, dude, I've never watched a game of hockey but everyone knows Wayne Gretzky
Nobodygrotesque ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 05:02:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is how Canada and USA got into a war. /s
ther3ddler ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 05:10:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its okay if you're not familiar with him.
Wayne Gretzky is the best athlete at his sport, ever. The two main stats in hockey are goals and assists and if you took away his goals, he'd still have the most points ever. Dude was from another planet, completely changed the game.
Either way my point is every GOAT athlete isnt an asshole and it's no excuse to be.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Fillertracks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:40:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Motherfucker doesn't tip, well known in Cleveland.
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 05:37:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fuckudepression ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 06:02:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan is 4th on the list of all time scorers in NBA history. Gretzky's point total is still 50% greater than #2 on that list. There are at least a handful of players in NBA history that belong in a conversation regarding who is the GOAT. In hockey, there is no conversation. Gretzky transcended his sport in a way that no other athlete ever has.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:39:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are missing the point, yes Gretzky was arguably better at his sport than Jordan was at his (or not, doesn't matter, again not the point) but Jordan was/is a global icon. On a totally different scale than Gretzky.
ryanson209 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 06:23:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be because I'm not in a hockey place, but though I've heard the name, I never really knew anything about Wayne Gretzky.
Michael Jordan, being the example provided, was in a feature film (as himself, co-starring iconic cartoon characters), is in a large amount of commercials, made still very popular branded shoes...
I don't mean to sound demeaning, so I want to ask: his scoring is one thing, but what are some things he's done and been involved with in popular culture outside of hockey? I think that's the main point that was brought up with Michael.
ProStars doesn't count for either Michael or WayneEDIT: I can't believe all 5 hockey fans in the world downvoted my on-topic question.
SirJoeffer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:16:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not arguing that Jordan wasn't a bigger pop-culture icon, what he's saying is that Gretzky was way better at his sport than Jordan was at his. Gretzky is undeniably the best hockey player ever, Jordan is top-2 in most people's eyes, but have not the clear cut GOAT.
StuffandThings91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:00:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gretzky was never in a feature film? I guess you missed his cameo in Mighty Ducks 2 where he supports Team USA for some reason
ryanson209 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe Gretzky single-handedly carried the movie Mighty Ducks 2. Truly a Renaissance Man if ever there was one.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:57:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best in basketball is arguable. Best in hockey is beyond any doubt Gretsky. But Jordan is iconic in general pop culture.
Skidvish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, gretsky's office. No one can afford to chill like that now. I grew up a little later than his era. Hockey now compared to late 90's hockey is so much faster it's insane. I'll have to check some more vids of Wayne and see how I feel brb
GhostlyTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:39:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gretzky is largely the reason you can't just hang out like that anymore. Teams were forced to adapt to overcome.
Skidvish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True
bubmox22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:04:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anything is arguable. but Jordan is beyond friendly bar debates. he is the GOAT. you had to have watched him to understand the pure dominance he showed year after year. sure argue Kareem or Lebron over him but i think it's a losing battle.
WaxStatue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take Bill Russell over Jordan, thanks, and he is just one of 2-3 guys you could make a legit argument for. It is VERY MUCH a debate. As the population skews younger, it has become more popular to support Jordan as GOAT, but the people who watched Bill and Wilt play would argue all day.
bubmox22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is why I picked the wrong fight on this sub. you would get destroyed on r/NBA for this. Russell played when the average NBA player was utter garbage in comparison. Put him in the modern NBA and watch him be half the player he was then. Of course old heads are gonna say that shit. You could maybe argue Wilt but even then, there's no way one player could be THAT dominant in the modern NBA. Wilt doesn't get 100 points today. that's why you have to draw a line. modern basketball, Jordan is undisputed GOAT. the eye test proves it over everything, but he even has the accolades and stats to back it all up.
WaxStatue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I say this on r/NBA all the time, and I'll say it again here (by the way, I never get destroyed for it). The whole notion of a GOAT is moronic. You cannot compare players across eras. Styles, conditioning, sports science and nutrition, and rules are ALL different. You may as well be comparing players in different games. That said, Bill Russell won 11 championships while player coaching two. His opposition, notably Wilt Chamberlain, is the most physically dominant player in NBA history, as well as the most unstoppable scorer. He played with almost as many hall of famers as Russell, but still got it handed to him. Why? Because Russell was just that good. 11 Championships, molding the game into what it is today? Yes, he is my GOAT if you make me pick one.
edit: Also, they eye test? How can you have an "eye test" when there is next to no footage of two of the people in the GOAT discussion? Only old heads that watched it all could really tell the truth.
GoodOlSpence ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:38:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's certainly the safest answer. But to say Russell, KAJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, and Lebron aren't all in the same level is foolish.
gorypineapple ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:45:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saying russel is the goat now is a bit to early id say. The rest are all definitely contenders.
mosaik_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he meant Bill Russel here
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Russell bruh
thetakingofphlegm123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:05:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he meant bill russel
jakeusmc610512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Russell blew Jordans panties off. If championships = greatness no one touches Russell. Even won a championship as a player/head coach. And he dominated in his era as well, even against the single game scoring record holder and all time ladies man Wilt "the Stilt" Chamberlain.
WaxStatue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. You're joking, right?
GoodOlSpence ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be careful who you call foolish. Jordan may have been bigger than basketball but Gretzky was bigger than God. The entire league retired his jersey number, he owns most of the records and they are utterly untouchable.
There's definitely been arguments made about the great basketball player ever, it's not unanimous. But if you put all of the best players at their respective sport, Gretzky would beat all of them.
SirJoeffer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:12:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan had/has a much more significant culture impact than Gretzky, there have been very few athletes in history that have had such a tremendous impact on the game they play and the society they play in, I'd say Jordan is one of those athletes and Gretzky isn't. BUT Gretzky's impact on hockey was way greater than Jordan's impact on basketball was.
Gretzky is the undisputed GOAT in hockey, and even though you think Jordan is "unanimously the greatest basketball player ever" doesn't mean everyone else thinks so. Jordan has a lot of competition for the GOAT title (LeBron, Wilt, Russel, Hakeem, Curry).
Just think about this, Gretzky's number was retired league wide, not by his team, but the whole league. Jordan was an amazing player, one of the best there ever was, but he doesn't touch the level of dominance Gretzky had, no one does.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why be so disrespectful.
sirfray ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 05:15:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan is a dick no doubt but Gretzky is a broke nobody compared to him lol get outta here with that "bigger in his sport" crap.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:37:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sirfray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even about who was better at their sport. Initially this was about Jordan being harassed in public. Jordan is a hundred times more famous, well known, and rich than Gretzky, and therefore I'm guessing he gets harassed in public far more often too.
hicow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:57:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
assuming he hasn't gambled it all away, of course
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! This is the point.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:56:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sirfray ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 06:00:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually aware of all that. Like I told the other guy, this was about being publicly harassed, not who is better at their sport. Gretzky is nowhere near as recognizable and famous as Jordan.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:03:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sirfray ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well OP of this comment thread was talking about recognizability and so was I in the comment you replied to.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sirfray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is Gretzky may be "bigger in his sport" than Jordan, but Gretzky can not compare in terms of being a public figure. Jordan is almost certainly harassed on a daily basis more than Gretzky has ever been. And thus it's just not a good comparison.
Tormidal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:09:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chamillionaire has a great story about a time he won an auction for a Jordan Jersey and he was basically told (by Jordan) to fuck off.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:58:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Have valeted his car in Charlotte.
Albert_Caboose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work for Royal?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Related, he is a total asshole.
belizeanheat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:51:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard a good explanation for why the league would get rid of their most valuable asset. Fans don't care at all about gambling, I don't buy that the league was worried he would tarnish their image in any way. He was the NBA.
mickeyflinn ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:43:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Jordan who was making 30+ million a year would loose 5K at a time at LEGAL casinos.
O_O
DisturbedNocturne ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:10:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is, he wasn't making anywhere near that from the NBA at the time. Prior to his retirement, he was making about $3 million a year from the NBA. On the other hand, he was making tons more through endorsements (Hanes, Ball Park Franks, Nike, McDonald's, etc.). I could go more into detail, but that's one of the reasons I've never really bought the gambling theory. I think it was more about leveraging himself for more money.
cman811 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:23:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is patently false. In 97 he signed a 1 year 33m dollar deal.
DisturbedNocturne ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:54:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and his first retirement was in '93.
cman811 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:08:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally didn't think about that. Touche. For the conspiracy to matter you are correct.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:43:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No professional athletes were making close to that much a year in the 90s, at least off of player salaries.
Noble06 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:04:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does it new to look?
nipplesaurus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I first read this, it broke my heart. MJ was a hero during my childhood. Now I am finding more and more stories of him being a terrible person and each time it hurts more.
cassanaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tiger Woods syndrome.
SikkatheDeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Pippen is actually a pretty good dude though. Go figure
RadioOnThe_TV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hell would they do that?
Suspending players is done so everyone knows they got suspeneded not as a spanking. This theory is garbage it makes 0 sense for the NBA to want to suspend someone secretly.
Aerdrake ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:23:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The day before he retired, on a local sports talk radio show in the Twin Cities, I heard an NBA insider reveal how the NBA was going to drop a bombshell in a Vegas gambling investigation. The next day he "retired" for exactly 1 season. Later, a relative of his was kidnapped before a big game. Who else has that happened to? Yeah, this one is real.
a1nubsauce ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:49:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you I think the same exact thing. Only way the bookies were able to get back at him.
munromae ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:27:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bookies got back at him by fucking killing his dad because he didn't pay
heybrother45 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:36:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two idiots killed him. If they were mob hit men they were the worst in history.
Jordan's luxury car stood out like a sore thumb in a bad area and the carjackers needed crack money.
ThePrussianGrippe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:09:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they were mob hit men then you could argue it was a brilliant ruse. Disguise it as a robbery for drug money and never talk.
heybrother45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were arrested for murder because they kept making phone calls from Jordan's cell phone, which would have been the only cell phone in the area at the time. So if they were hired by the mob, they were really stupid about getting caught and then never tried to bargain away their murder charges by giving up people that hired them.
yupyepyupyep ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:07:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crackheads tend to be really stupid, though.
mickeyflinn ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:43:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would the bookies want him to loose his multi-milion dollar job? So he could make 100s playing minor league ball?
aimless_grizzly ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:55:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe despite his multi-million dollar job he wasn't paying up.
eaterofdog ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:37:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't even tip waitresses. The guy is a complete dick.
tiptoetina ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:07:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False - that is Scottie "No Tippin" Pippen... Jordan tips.
MisterMukwa ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:24:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. My girlfriend caddied for Pippen before and he's notorious for not tipping caddies.
eaterofdog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:54:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Charles Barkley: 'There's nobody cheaper than Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan'
munromae ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 23:27:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His year playing minor league baseball was definitely an indirect long term suspension from the NBA for him getting caught gambling. The league would have folded if the best player it ever had was gambling and got suspended.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:19:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Iceozo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would it really fold for something so innocuous? In Australia we've had arguably the best player of all time during the peak of his player career grab a woman's tit in the street and a few years later fuck a team mates wife. He even provided a character witness for a known gangster at a trial. And that's just what happened before he retired. And then there's other players as well who have done worse. Gambling doesn't really seem all that bad.
newtonsapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:49 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gambling in American sports is treated as a huge deal, mostly because of the 1919 Black Sox scandal, where a few members of a team lost the World Series intentionally after Chicago bookies paid them off. The main worry is that an athlete will get into gambling to the point where they start betting on their own sport, or even their own team.
dbadefense1990 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:37:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me, the murder of Jordan's dad was never a coincidence to his gambling addictions. Hell, Jordan was outed in a tell-all book by his former friend that he'd lost more than $1 million around the same time the mob executed the senior Jordan over the debts.
celsius100 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:17:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, he was supposed to throw away one of his finals to make some mafia types rich and didn't. Dad payed the price and 23 had enough.
kchuen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:25:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan waa too big a star for Stern to try to get rid of him despite his gambling problem
supraman2turbo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:09:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lived in Chicago at the time, never will I believe this one until there is concrete evidence supporting it
beeps-n-boops ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say what now?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fixed it.
mickeyflinn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:42:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Stern secretly removed the most bankable star in the history of the sport why?
dpalmade ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:58:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people believe that his debt was so deep that he might start throwing games.
YoMammaSoThin ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:18:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's liable to be extorted to throw a game as payback.
dpalmade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:36:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cool. thats exactly what i said with different words.
heybrother45 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we've created more theories to support our already made up theories? There's evidence Jordan gambled. What more evidence is there beyond that?
dpalmade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:35:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? this is all one conspiracy theory. i was explaining peoples logic behind why Stern would felt it necessary to remove the games biggest star. I dont actually believe any of this.
pamtar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He went to UNC. Known cheaters.
Nash-Ketchum ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:46:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sports players that have a gambling issue are hard to deal with. Say he loves to gamble but hes in serious debt. If he were to bet on any games he played, who could say if he was throwing the game or not? The sport then becomes a shitshow if its found that he was
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:46:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because if he didn't he would eventually have to ban him from the league or face the loss of a ton of integrity for the league.
newtonsapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:17 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would've been stuck between a rock and a hard place. Suspend Jordan outright, and you ruin the squeaky-clean image of a player who was the face of the NBA; the league might never recover. On the other hand, if you do nothing there'll be hell to pay if/when the press finds out you threw out the rules for your best player.
Derivatives_Trader ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:16:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard his father was murdered over a gambling debt he refused to pay.
heybrother45 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 01:38:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you actually looked into it or are you parroting ridiculous shit without knowing what you're talking about?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:59:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried not being a cunt?
CaptainSnacks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:21:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, we are in a thread about conspiracy theories...
candycv30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know you're on Reddit, right?
MambaOut8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watch Korzemba too
Believe_Land ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with this conspiracy is this: there is no "why". You may say "because gambling". That makes no sense. Here's what this conspiracy consists of: people make an excuse for Jordan to take time off from basketball. When you ask "why", they just start making shit up. They start connecting dots that aren't there.
harrybalsania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like someone needed to just stop gambling and save his loved ones
FlaminHotTito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the stupidest theory that always shows up in these treads. Why would the nba "secretly suspended" their biggest money maker in the history of their league? The ratings went down significantly during the nba finals while Jordan was away. The NBA is corrupt and always has been, but their corruption is used so that they can make more money and get more ratings, which is the exact opposite of what happened when Jordan left the league
FruitCakeSally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the worst conspiracy. Why would the NBA secretly suspend its most marketable player?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they wouldn't have to ban him when the truth would have inevitably come out if he stayed in the league for those years.
FruitCakeSally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would secretly suspending him prevent that?
Cryptonat ยท -54 points ยท Posted at 21:25:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we were talking conspiracies, not silly sports rumors.
Eman5805 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:43:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't a conspiracy theory really just a glorified rumor? And one of the biggest names in sports history would be more than just a silly thing, to me.
johal61 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:16:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What lol
Amity75 ยท 1288 points ยท Posted at 19:26:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of Dr David Kelly. No way was it suicide and Tony Blair has blood on his hands over it.
Stormaen ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 05:01:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the BBC bares some responsibility for this too. Kelly went to their journalist as an anonymous source. When the government started putting BBC execs across the rack, rather than defend their source, they immediately named him to protect themselves and pass on the blame. Whether he was killed or killed himself, the interest and attention in him that resulted in his death came as a direct result of a complete lack of journalistic integrity by the higher-ups at the BBC.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 07:00:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wikipedia page say his name "became known". Is it not a matter of public record who named him?
Stormaen ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:38:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was Andrew Gilligan, who quoting Dr Kelly from a strictly off-the-record conversation. He was the first person to use the term "sexed up" in relation to the September Dossier.
Cast_Me-Aside ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:02:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My recollection from the time -- so subject to the potential for my having misremembered it and that this was falsely reported -- was that the government adopted a position of not denying the truth, when someone asked if it was him.
That it, if you called and said, "Was it Bob Smith?" they'd say no. But if you called and said, "Is it David Kelly?" they'd neither confirm nor deny it. Given that the comments could have only come from a relatively small number of people it was alleged journalists called and just went through the list.
If this is true, he was deliberately fed to the wolves with just enough effort to deny he was named.
This deserves a little scepticism though. When Jean Charles de Menzies was killed the press initially reported he was wearing a puffy jacket on a hot day, had wires sticking out of it, leapt over a barrier when a polceman identified himself and then fled onto the train. None of this was true.
HighlylronicAcid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:46:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I very rarely see anyone talking about that. The day Jean Charles was shot me and my dad were watching the news. A "witness" said something like "he came running on to the train and the police shot him" but much more elaborate. It was only when the true story came out and I asked my dad if he remembered what the guy said and he did. I've often wondered if he was a fantasist or a shill.
Cast_Me-Aside ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:58:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think many people know both versions of the story.
I was travelling home from an interview when the first version came out. And, unsurprisingly thought, "Well, it's tragic, but you did kind of act suspiciously."
The part about a police officer challenging him was claimed by the police. As I recall it a jury came to a near unanimous decision that this was a lie. Since we know in retrospect that de Menzies used an Oyster card and went down the escalator in an orderly way, there was some speculation that it may have been a police officer that jumped the barrier to catch him.
But... It's worth bearing in mind that the police have a track record for telling lies to the press to cover their arses. Most notably Hillsborough, where they claimed thousands of drunken fans broke into the stadium, which caused the crush.
HighlylronicAcid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is mad how a lie can stick. A couple of years later I was in college and the topic came up and Brazilian girl (coincidentally) said something like "well he shouldn't have been running from the police!"
englad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Details are always confusing in the heat of the moment
HighlylronicAcid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get that, but this was a bit above and beyond. He basically gave the early official police story which turned out that it couldn't have been further form the truth. I wish I could remember exactly what he said but he was actually dragged out of a seat and then shot which would be hard to confuse with running away.
Zantetsuken42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:44:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent article about this and the influence of the BBC in this sordid affair.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/tom-mangold/do-you--remember-what-happened-to-david-kelly
Stormaen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing this. First I've read it. Whilst long, it was worth the read. Does a lot to clear up the subject. Overall, it's an account of tragedy: a humble, hardworking and dedicated man caught between two guilty giants looking to blame anyone but themselves. A needless and regrettable end, and one that Blair's ministry and the BBC are equally culpable in.
K-Zoro ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 21:40:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thom Yorke (of Radiohead) has a song about this, Harrowdown Hill.
87broseidon ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 03:10:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I just dove down the rabbit hole of Dr. David Kelly. I had no idea Harrowdown Hill was about him and I consider myself a massive Radiohead, Atoms for Peace and Thom Yorke fan. Mind blowing stuff, thanks for sharing
thecauseoftheproblem ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 23:59:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reading this thread in a jumpy kind of order convinced me for a moment that Thom had written a song about a basketball player pooping his pants.
Reality<fiction once again
libelle156 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:22:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A shart that's
Full up like a landfill
A poop that slowly kills you
Fake bruises that just heal
I'll take a quiet break
A handwipe
And nothing more noxious
And no farts
No surprises please
Normanisanisland ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:18:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paranoid Andrex
cdeverett ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:35:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Rainpoos
OK Compooter
Edit - A MOON SHAPED POO!
Normanisanisland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High and dry? The BENDS?
flippitus_floppitus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:52:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it actually about that?
K-Zoro ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:02:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. I think Harrowdown Hill is the name of where they found his body.
Edit: there's plenty more, google it and there's a good amount of info. Sad that it's all forgotten now.
libelle156 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:24:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thom Yorke did also grow up around there. He's said since that he feels uncomfortable about writing it, but its also been a favourite of his to perform live.
sunmachinecomingdown ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:56:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
Amelora ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 22:20:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the guy that committed suicide by shooting himself in the back and then stuffing himself in a duffle bag?
Cast_Me-Aside ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 23:09:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. He was a weapons expert who told a BBC journalist that a lot of the British government's claims in the dossier on Iraqi weapons were inflated. This is the dossier that later Colin Powell would brandish as evidence to invade Iraq.
The journalist released what Kelly told him, without getting information from a further source. (Which to be fair probably wasn't viable.) The government then tore a strip out of the BBC leading to the resignation of its chairman -- and its subsequently being extremely when challenging any government story -- and allowed Kelly's name to be released to the media.
After a few days Kelly went for a walk -- as he regularly did -- consumed a large quantity of painkillers and slit his wrists with a knife he'd owned since he was a kid.
One of Kelly colleagues reported that they'd had a conversation where Kelly said he'd probably be found dead. Another reported that his hands were too weak and that he needed help to cut food, so it was inconceivable he could slit his wrists. There were also reports that there wasn't enough blood, suggesting he'd been staged where he was found.
Maybe there's no conspiracy here at all. It could simply be that the British government sexed up a load of claims -- which were later proven to be untrue -- to justify invading another country and when an expert went to the news media about it they allowed him to be harassed to the point he killed himself.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:56:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NedryOS ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:21:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without the context of the entire conversation, that's a pretty bold statement to make.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does it not make sense in any other context? He was caught up in a web of lies and deceit that a government used as evidence to invade another country and it was about to be exposed. If someone in the middle of all that said "I'm probably to be found dead" it's obvious what they mean.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:27:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evidentally not.
jnhummel ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 23:43:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was Gareth Williams, a GCHQ employee, who was found dead in a duffle bag in his apartment in 2010.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams
Cast_Me-Aside ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 00:31:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well really, who hasn't zipped themselves in a bag and accidentally sealed it with a padlock?
DrEmilioLazardo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:47:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was trying to be the new Houdini.
dubov ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:03:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally what the investigation said
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had zips that won't undo before on coats or overalls and I just pull until the stitching holding the zip to the coat gives way and rips off. This guy was a fitness fanatic and ripped, even if the zip was padlocked there would still be enough give to open the zip half an inch or so. There is no way this man would not have been able to get a couple of fingers either side of the zip and pull with all his might and either break the zip free from the tracks or rip the zip clean off the bag. He could reach the zip as it was concluded he pulled it shut and locked it whilst inside the bag.
Danjcb ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 23:09:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's the guy who was found with barely slit wrists, on a hill in the middle of nowhere after stating that's Saddam Hussein didn't have any weapons of mass destruction.
HadHerses ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:24:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this too. He was murdered.
gaslightlinux ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:48:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well of course he has Dr David Kelly's blood on his hands ... but it's amazing how people focus on that instead of the millions of middle eastern people's blood he has on his hands.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't met anyone yet who doesn't think he's a war criminal.
by_myself ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:07:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe all politicians are psychopaths to varying degrees.
meatspaces ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even Dwight Eisenhower and Jimmy Carter?
Jhinfamy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:12:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There certainly were some outsiders who made it big like this- Ike as a general would have been isolated from political maneuvering a and had a logical head on his shoulders. Carter was folksy and tried to resist the will of his congress-so I agree on these two and FDR who was a real outsider policy wise. Obama gave a fascinating interview with Jerry Seinfeld, where he was asked (as a joke) how many foreign leaders/dignitaries/monarchs (one of the three) were loopy and totally insane, and Obama, acting serious said something like 'quite a few'.
Dark_Vengence ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:22:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bloody blair!
wmil ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:06:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Tony Blair had anything to do with it. Tony Blair probably has hundreds of people who have pissed him off or hurt his career more than Kelly. There'd be a huge trail of bodies if he was in the habit of killing people.
unbearablerightness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you havent read voodoo histories I recommend it. You may change your mind.
bottomofleith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the one thing that makes you think it wasn't suicide?
Qualanqui ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 05:11:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from nz and have never even heard of him.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok
[deleted] ยท 970 points ยท Posted at 22:34:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I believe it's entirely true, but I feel like there may be some truth to the conspiracy that says Elvis befriended President Nixon to get the government to help him fake his death so he could live out the rest of his life as a "not famous" person. It's at least somewhat plausible.
craigsproof ยท 805 points ยท Posted at 22:45:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But who is going to fake their death as
" ...he died on the toilet pushing too hard."??
weasdasfa ยท 570 points ยท Posted at 03:12:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you're lying, throw in a bit of self embarrassing info. Makes it more believable.
TheIncredibleHork ยท 190 points ยท Posted at 05:05:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"There's no way this could be true, it's too stupid."
60% of the time, it's always true.
Manwellrogeres ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 09:07:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
60% of the time, it's true every time
TheIncredibleHork ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:41:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
60% of the time, I misquote every time.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:04:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make any sense.
kilo_actual ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:12:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never call out of work, but when I do I make sure the reason is super embarrassing. "Pooped my only work clothes", works every time.
DootMasterFlex ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:09:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always try to go graphic and say I have explosive diarrhea. Nobody wants to asks questions after that.
Cameron_Black ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Yeah, it's like a chocolate pudding fire hose in here..."
kilo_actual ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn straight they don't.
Arborgarbage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why don't we believe it?
[deleted] ยท 223 points ยท Posted at 22:55:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elvis, obviously. Nobody really wanted to murder him, but everyone knew how unhealthy he had been getting, it's the perfect crime!
josh18soccer ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 05:02:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually a common misconception. Elvis never died on the toilet, he just died in the bathroom.
MyersVandalay ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:06:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe someone who's goal is to get rid of his famous persona if he wants to live a normal life. I mean sure riding a shark into an active volcano is cool and all, but if you really want to disapear and be somewhat forgotten, when you are going from that level of amazing fame... an embarrassing though somewhat mundane death might actually help that goal.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:33:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who wants to make it believable because no one would ever fake die that way.
deathschemist ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:27:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and that's exactly one of the reasons it might be true.
i mean how ridiculous would it be for someone to fake their death as shitting too hard? how embarrassing an end is that? not only is it embarrassing, but it's also embarrassingly mundane.
but if a guy wants to really disappear? it's a viable option, because nobody's gonna believe someone would fake their death like that. it wouldn't have been easy for elvis to disappear any other way, so if he was gonna fake his death, the best way for him to completely disappear would be exactly that.
endless_disease ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:14:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't it proved not true?
sethboy66 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:38:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't though, he died in the bathtub. That is just a myth.
graememacfarlane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they want you to think
HylianHero95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:01:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody would question it. They would be like oh what the fuck that sucks. The story would be about the toilet, not him dying, which is the perfect way to fake your death. Making everyone believe it was some crazy accident, but it has to be weird enough that people won't ask a bunch of questions about the exact logistics.
Democrab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:01 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? If you get to pick your death, everyone would expect something heroic or otherwise somewhat noble.
dcfromcc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i always thought that was ridiculous until i was actively addicted to opiates. i could totally see it happening.
MableXeno ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:02:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was alive not too long ago in a nursing home in Texas.
rahl_confessor ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:52:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bubba Ho-Tep! The book the film is based off of is from my home town.
archiminos ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:28:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"They dyed me this colour!"
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:06:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
something something the government is directly involved with the amount of elvis impersonators so he may walk in public freely something something
PresidenTrumpCamacho ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:58:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't even know his exact fried chicken recipe, how the hell do people have the balls to say they know that? Also, he was a super fat pill popping dude by the end of his life so a heart attack at 40 wasn't that suspicious.
Uncle_Rabbit ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:43:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a documentary about that called "Bubba Ho-Tep".
Princess_King ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:23:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a witness in Arnett, Texas who recognized Elvis at a gas station years after his "death." Supposedly, he was on his way to New Orleans. Dunno if I believe it or not.
mattyb65 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 05:01:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
somebody said they saw Elvis alive after his death?!? Why is this not higher up?!?!
L4cer8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:58 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... wasn't that story in The Stand by Stephen King??
Princess_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:10 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!
TALKING_TINA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:33 on September 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been a while since I read that book, but for some reason I thought that gas station story was about jim morrison? I could be totally wrong though that's just what I had in my head for some reason.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elvis died in 1977. Was Jimmy Carter in on this too?
Fillertracks ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:06:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man was a peanut farmer, after his death everyone wanted fried bananas and peanut butter sandwiches. CAN'T YOU SEE THE CONNECTIONS????
SubieB503 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:09:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The movie Bubbahotep explains what happened to Elvis. Bruce Campbell knows Elvis personally.
MrLomax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elvis then went on to become an extra in Home Alone. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXKafsX4foA
thewispo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't give a fuck what people say. He was in home alone!
HoTs_DoTs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bubba Ho-Tep ?
TiniestOne3921 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Operation King Falls Kringle.
iBaconized ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can you not believe it in its entirety or not? He either faked his death or he didn't, not sure what the middle ground would be. Not trying to be cynical, just thought it was funny ๐
watchoutsucka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:32:41 on November 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know Tim in this article and he says Elvis is dead. http://thecabin.net/stories/082197/elvis.html#.WhaVNEqnFPY
Rapturesjoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:40 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Elvis want to be a secret agent?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:48 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps
Rapturesjoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:39 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Day Elvis begged Nixon to let him be a secret FBI agent
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:56 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I had never heard that part of the story
Rapturesjoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:14 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not a crook ;)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:06 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
oceansparkmick ยท 4001 points ยท Posted at 19:48:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beyoncรฉ was not born in 1981. She was born in 1979 and she will be turning 38 not 36 this September.
Her dad has been on radio shows and mentioned that Beyoncรฉ was the same age as Pink who was born in 1979.
infernocobbs ยท 2721 points ยท Posted at 22:00:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretending you are two years younger seems like a very petty thing to lie about...but in a strange way I could see it may have been beneficial to her early Destiny's Child days to portray her as the teen-singer-who's-the-face-of-a-girl-group . A common trope in the late 90s
RoderickCastleford ยท 937 points ยท Posted at 00:37:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did when I was at University for stupid insecure reasons, I was basically 2 years older than everyone else.
ClassicPervert ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 03:25:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I go back to school I will be very old compared to everybody
As long as you dress the part, I think it's good
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:04:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I'm 25. Tell most people I'm 21-23 depending on my last haircut.
Stormaen ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:52:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm turning 30 in October and my ops manager at work (who is 31) asked me if I'm at college. He was convinced I wasn't even 21 yet. As a teen I hated looking younger than I was (e.g. getting ID'd at 19 to buy a lottery ticket because checkout lady thought I was under 16) but now I'm happy to look way younger than I am! :D
whimywamwamwozzle ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:55:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I look younger as well and I keep telling myself that it will be great when I get older
clucks86 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:07:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get this a different way. When i was about 16 every one thought i was about 21. Now im 30 and everyone thinks im about 24/25. So basically ive aged 4yrs in the last 14yrs. Or ive discovered the fountain of youth with out realising
Smithsonian45 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:21:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna be 6 years older than everyone else when I go back :s
Indetermination ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 06:36:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spoiler alert: 18 year olds are super boring
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And willing to try new things. And bang.
sock_face ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:38:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, sometimes I lie about going to university, it's easier than telling people my story (which doesn't include going to university).
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:43:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sock_face ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:05:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, conversations with strangers. Family, friends etc all know, if I was lying to them I wouldn't consider them family or friends and I'd go find some people that I don't feel the need to lie to :)
Picture this, you're in a job where everyone has a university degree, no one actually needs one to work in this job. This is a defining factor about you, quite often when people introduce you it goes like, "Here's sock_face, he never went to university!"
Then you go to a conference or training day and everyone's talking about going to university blah blah blah. You can just smile and say "yeah, university". Or you can go the other route and derail the conversation and make it all about yourself - which I don't like being the centre of attention anyway.
Doris033 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:31:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I'm just about to go to university and I'm 2 years older than everyone, is it worth lying?
RoderickCastleford ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:45:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely not, you'll find students from age 18 all the way up to retirement age on undergraduate courses. I think it was baggage that I'd carried over from highschool, the baby boomer members of staff had me believe that I'd be an oddity if I took longer than a gap year before going to university, that obviously turned out to be utter crap.
Doris033 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:47:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks :) honestly I think I'm in a better position to go to uni now rather than a few years ago. I've had people tell me I'm leaving it too late and I'm getting old but fuck it, I'm in a much better place and know I'm studying the right thing. I don't want to dedicate my life and all just debt I'm a subject I'm not sure about
Sprinklez1993 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:47:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good job! I decided to go back as well. Best decision ever.
Sphen5117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
sarcasticorange ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:30:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother lied about her age by 1 year until she was over 90. At 100 she didn't want a hearing aid because it would make her look old. She's about to hit 106 and now claims that getting one would just be a waste and still refuses to get one, so we just have to yell.
dayoldhansolo ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:14:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She also gets to say that she's a millennial if she was born in 1981
painahimah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:24:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought 83 was the millennial threshold?
HiddenKrypt ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:14:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends. The US Census uses 1982-2000. Nielsen Media Research uses 1977-1995. Pew Research Center uses 1981, and doesn't have an end point set yet. The Harvard Center uses 1965 to 1984 to define Gen X, and 1985-2005 for Millennials to that the baby boomers, Gen X, and Millennials "cover equal 20-year age spans".
hicow ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:47:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born in '77 here - Nielsen is fucking stupid if they think people turning 40 this year are millenials. I'd say the Harvard Center has it about right. Although it does feel like 20-year generations might be too long now.
quidam08 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:48:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed on the length of the gens. We started being vastly separated through tech and globalism around the early 90s. My husband, sister, and bro in law are all same gen '70-'75, but drastically different from mine, being born in '82.
Io5833 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:20:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In sociological circles 20 years would be considered way too wide for a generation. 7-12, depending on the nature of the birth cohort.
paintbox999 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:32:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd make a distinction between those who can remember a time before PCs, the Internet, mobile phones etc. became very widespread and those for whom their childhood was dominated by such technology.
I agree that 20-year generations are too long now - I'm more in favour of 15-year or even 12-year generations - so Millenials I reckon would have been born in the early 80s to mid 90s and there needs to be a new term for today's teenagers and kids who are the true digital natives.
Edit: just actually looked it up and there's a Gen Z or post-Millenials - those born from the mid-90s onwards, which seems about right.
HiddenKrypt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The truth is, there's no good way to put down a solid boundary between the generations.
I agree that the Millennials are defined by the events and technology they had growing up: The first ubiquitous cell phones, 9/11, the rise of the internet into a global force, etc. The Millennial generation is the last generation to remember a time when you couldn't call someone to find out where they are, to remember a world before the Department of Homeland Security and the TSA, a world before "Google" was anything but a number.
GenX, in contrast, is the last generation to really live in the cold war.
This means, though, that there's inevitable overlap. People born in the early 80's where most of the boundaries are set can easily find themselves on the wrong side of the border based on their own experiences. A family that adopts new tech readily may have children that grew up with a more millennial experience than their peers.
Some writers/researchers have also made a specific designation for the nebulous gray area generation between gen x and gen y. "The oregon trail generation" is the name I've seen used, though when I've seen it it's usually carefully noted that it isn't a specific, separate generation so much as it is a label for people "on the cusp" who share traits with both generations.
paintbox999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make a good point. It's possible for a Generation Yer, I suppose, to adopt the attitudes of a post-Millennial if, for example, their work requires them to be fully immersed into social media so they have just the same understanding of it as a current 16 year old would have. The generation descriptions are stereotypes and describe a majority, if not all, of the cohort they represent.
HiddenKrypt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. There's also plenty of people in every generation that are just a bit immature for their age, kids who grow up in an area where there's nobody their age so they hang out with older kids, etc. all of which can lead someone to have a general affect of a different generation than their birth year would suggest.
Ultimately, any hard-year delineation is an estimation at best, used to describe sociological tendencies of a group, and should not be considered useful for describing any particular individuals.
painahimah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hell that means Harvard thinks my husband and I are different generations o.o 84 & 85
dayoldhansolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was 80
El_Douglador ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:23:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red shirting kids gives them a tremendous advantage against their classmates. Even being born early in the window for a grade gives a student an advantage over kids in the same year born later.
rothbard_anarchist ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:55:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She and Albert Pujols!
Xlukethemanx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:51:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lied about my age to my coworkers for years because I didn't want to be the 18 year old kid working with a bunch of dudes in their mid thirties. I had to keep the lie going until they all quit/got fired
ScudTheAssassin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:17:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about the same woman that wanted the whole birth suites area in a hospital to herself. She is petty.
Roxanne1000 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:03:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
every year over 25 a woman in entertainment ages, they are much closer to being essentially forced into retirement by their agents, producers, managers, etc
redditsfulloffiction ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the younger you are, the bigger lie two years is.
fake_kvlt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:58:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you get young enough, you're probably lying about being older. I know when I was 12 I pretended I was 14 so all the cool older girls would talk to me lol
idontevenarse ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:06:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one lie women do consistently around the world no matter what culture.
ClassicPervert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Prostitute ads on the internet exemplify this
dec0ded13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:59:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait... Beyonce was in destinys child?? how am I even gay if I didn't know that
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:24:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stand outside your house. Someone will be over soon to confiscate your gay card.
ScribbleMeNot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently pretending to be younger also happens with athletes as well. Watched a video about NBA players who lied about their age to get drafted.
lemonfucker007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's so vain though that it really wouldn't surprise me at all if she lied about her age. She could pull off being much younger though, surprised she didn't talk a bigger game.
FKAred ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:23:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
today i learned that beyoncรฉ was a part of destiny's child
dotcomdiva ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:08:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm genuinely gobsmacked people didn't know this! I feel so old! But don't lie about my age....
IrishRepoMan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:05:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't she fake her pregnancy? I remember seeing an interview clip where her belly buckled as if it were made of plastic.
missdespair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:01 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen some conspiracy theories about her using surrogates and I wouldn't be surprised if that were true.
kopkiwi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She seems the sort to be honest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pop stars have been caught, or admitted to doing this before. Such as, one of the girls from B*Witched and another male that I can't think of off the top of my head.
paigezero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was born in 1980, obviously Beyonce just wanted to seem younger than me specifically.
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, two years would have made a bigger difference then, but she would have to keep up the lie to this day.
superdrunk1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:52 on September 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also we're talking about a lady who's concert rider included red toilet paper, so Petty's kind of the name of the game here
TheDMisalwaysright ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beyoncรฉ is kind of the queen of petty, so I could see this as true. She hand-crafts her complete image, and even got these pictures permanently removed from the internet
ikilledtupac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:55:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's psycho
giingerly ยท 1351 points ยท Posted at 22:20:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but her dad is kind of a POS.
He mismanaged destinys child (was very demanding/hard to work with, clearly only cared about beyonces career) causing the other members to quit and Beyoncรฉ to take all the flack in the media (leading to her bout of depression), stole money from her I Am world tour, cheated on her mom, released photos of Blue Ivy without beyonces permission, and announced beyonce's pregnancy of the twins before her (prob without permission), lied about her and her career to the media (said certain things she wrote about in her songs were fake, lied about her age, said destinys child will have a reunion tour - yeah, no they won't....)
Beyoncรฉ cut business ties with him in 2009, even has spoken out about her difficult relationship with him
So yeah I don't really buy anything he says lol
Princess_King ยท 277 points ยท Posted at 02:27:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, my dad isn't a POS, and he still can't remember that I'm exactly 30 years younger than he is. He never remembers how old I am. Lol
thatG_evanP ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:24:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my Dad never remembers how old I am either. But then sometimes I can't remember how old I am. A couple of years ago I spent about 6 months thinking I was a year older than I actually was.
I_like_ur_face ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:47:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My fiancรฉ spent all of last year thinking he was a year younger than he is...he was so depressed when his birthday came around and he finally realized.
thatG_evanP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that would suck. Seeing as how I thought I was a year older, it was great when I realized my real age.
Coalemus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:55:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man. The older I get, the harder it is to keep up with my own age.
Moderatelyhollydazed ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:46:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he doesn't know how old he is?
Princess_King ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:37:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That, I would believe.
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:05:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad will still occasionally call my brother or me by our late dog's name.
Princess_King ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's big in my family. All my aunts and uncles call my cousin and me by each others' names all the time. We stopped correcting them decades ago and just started answering to it. Same with my brother and other cousin. And my brother and my son. And my brother and my uncle. It doesn't even register anymore. Lol
Eos42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:24:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm exactly 30 years younger then my mom and that's how my dad remembers. At least he usually remembers how old my mom is though so there's that
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom always thinks I'm a year younger for some reason, and I'm exactly 20 years younger than she is. Still, at least she remembers my birthday. My ex-heroin junkie "father" used to call every August and wish me a happy birthday. My birthday is in October...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad doesn't always remember how old I am either, he thinks I'm still 22, I turned 24 last month. Even my mom, who's had sole custody of me my whole life still gets confused about my age.
JfromGallifrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since I was about 15, my dad always remembers my birthday 2 months late.
mcstranglehands ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 01:06:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are you so informed about Beyonce and her dad? Haha
Hakul ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 06:17:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably one of those obsessed fans.
taa_dow ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:51:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same as jessica simpsons dad. Put those big tits on display every chance he could.
UninvitedGhost ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:37:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a point of sale!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:37:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the Murray Wilson/Joseph Jackson style of child management.
SoriAryl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:06:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... he belongs in r/justNOFamily
Mecha_G ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a not-so-secret that Destiny's Child was a vehicle for Beyoncรฉ.
Rapturesjoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:06 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never work with family.
Also check out Michael Jackson's father...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why doesn't she just cut all ties with him? He sounds like a horrible human being.
nomad_kk ยท -36 points ยท Posted at 03:36:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who fucking cares, man.
toeofcamell ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:42:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that all??
/s
voiderror404 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:41:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I belive this. Gabrielle Union said they were friends in hs.
lordhellion ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:08:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, what's more likely: he's confused about how old his daughter is, or he's confused about how old Pink is?
graptemys ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 01:40:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid, we had an account number we had to use at the local pool. It ended in 42. My dad told me it was the same year my mother was born to help me remember. I was in my late teens when I found out my mom was born in 41. I never really did the math on birthdays growing up, and didn't notice anything until they planned her 50th birthday. I questioned this, as she was, by my math, only turning 49. When I asked my dad and my older siblings about it, they said, "Yeah, it helped you remember the pool code."
manicpixielolita ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:02:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, my mom (that gave birth to me and threw every one of my childhood birthday parties) occasionally gets my age wrong, and has asked me more than once, "what fucking year were you born? I can't remember."
And we have no conspiracy. She's just scatterbrained af.
Marinersfan12 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:08:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My parents always get my age wrong, it's plausible he just goofed
loverink ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:31:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad always rounded our age up when we were in trouble. (Ex:: You're 13 now, you're too old for this! / Me: I'm 11 and a half.)
AlexTraner ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:53:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was like โhow old is your brother, 19?โ
My brother was born the day of the OKC bombings. It was a big deal. My parents had to TRY to have him (I donโt mean sex, guys. I mean like doctors and such). Yet dad has no idea how old he is.
Spacealienqueen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:11:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah my dad is alway saying am a year older then my really age like dad not 22 yet
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 21:19:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would she lie about that? Two years?
[deleted] ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 22:55:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Celebrities do it all the time. Not many want to be considered old or older. 2 years might not seem like much but 29 sounds a lot different than 31.
Jessica Chastain and Nicki Minaj all got caught lying about their age.
Pizza_Delivery_Dog ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 00:50:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rebel Wilson too. Apparantly for a female celebrity your real age can ruin your career
coulduseagoodfuck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:54 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Female pop stars and actresses usually have a career lifespan lasting until around 40. 2 years makes a big difference there.
Thorandragnar ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:24:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Charlize Theron and Catherine Zeta-Jones, too.
Anthillmob74 ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 21:48:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The spice girls all lied about their ages. Were all a lot younger than me then suddenly I'm the same/around the same age as them now
karizake ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 01:17:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Spice Girls age slower because they're well preserved.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:39:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANT
OhMaGoshNess ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:31:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe travels on the silk road?
Spazmer ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:16:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rebel Wilson did the same thing. She was in her 30s instead of 20s and that affected people deeply.
numanoid ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:08:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ann Coulter did the same thing, lied about being two years younger than she is.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:33:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two years is an eternity in pop.
When you are found out: Publicity.
Faiakishi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:33:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That matters a lot when you're a young star. Less so when you're an adult, but it's not like you can just drop the lie after a certain amount of time if you're always in the limelight.
Judaspriestess666 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:13:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Destiny's Child was a teen/hs group. They were all supposedly 15 (16?) when their first album came out. The difference between 15 and 17 is a lot compared to 36 and 38.
voiderror404 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:41:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alot of celebs lie about their age.
Julian_rc ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 23:44:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because she's a woman.
AntithesisVI ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:52:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're being downvoted yet every celeb mentioned here has been uhhh... not male. Hilarious.
Eman5805 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:41:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People lie about being a little bit older than they are all the time. To get into bars to buy alcohol, doing porn, getting married...
yupyepyupyep ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:03:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lawrence Fishburne was only 14 years old when he appeared in Apocalypse Now. He lied and said he was 17.
stink3rbelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't her age be fairly verifiable with her young star search appearance? I get that 16/18 might not seem that different, and 36/38 certainly isn't, but 6/8 might be pretty easy to distinguish, right?
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:11:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe Beyonce actually carried her first child. She used a surrogate and faked it by wearing a pregnancy suit. The 2nd child she carried for real though, because of all the rumors she faked her first pregnancy. It's why she had so many photoshoots the second time around showing off her exposed belly. She didn't for the first one.
ian_dangerous ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:39:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should've been included in OPs post about Beyoncรฉ. I don't believe she carried her first child neither. There's some compelling discussion and pictures/video out there...I just don't understand why, though!
fake_kvlt ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:03:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's pretty ridiculous to fake being pregnant, but I absolutely understand why someone wouldn't want to go through pregnancy. It makes permanent changes to your body, some more severe then others (stretch marks, hemorrhoids, incontinence, vaginal tearing, etc), not to mention the possibility of post partum depression/psychosis.
also it apparently hurts like a bitch. still seems very strange to put so much effort into faking it, though.
octopusdixiecups ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:02:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of celebrities have publicly used a surrogate. I don't get why she went through the whole process of faking her pregnancy. I mean she did make a big deal of announcing her pregnancy. The whole thing garnered large publicity.
A mean her entire "pregnancy" was so widely reported on. I guess they just wanted the publicity from it. And she probably didn't want to have to deal with the aftermath of actually being pregnant. Which is kind of an asshole thing if that's the real reason why. She's fucking Beyoncรฉ. That's just shit to act like she got her body back so quickly after giving birth. It creates false expectations.
I guess the other option is she was insecure about infertility issues but judging on how they milked the pregnancy for publicity I doubt it.
caseyinnyc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:28:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because she didn't want to have to lose the baby weight and get her body back in shape.
octopusdixiecups ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:06:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is she could have done this without faking her fucking pregnancy. Plenty of celebrities use a surrogate, but they don't lie about it. It's the amount of lying and the way they milked the pregnancy for more publicity that pisses me off.
Don't get me wrong, I know pregnancy can be absolute hell on your body and using a surrogate can be an amazing alternative. I'm not knocking people who employ a surrogate. I just can't wrap my mind around her hiring a surrogate and then faking an entire pregnancy for the (1) media attention and (2) awesome "post baby body".
Also everyone acts like she's some holy Mother Earth like being???? Like what?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pointless to even bother, because I came late to the party. It'll just get buried.
theo_sontag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Australian interview! Fakity fake fake!
machenise ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:46:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that years ago, so I can't point to the article I read, but according to that article there was no one named Beyoncรฉ born in Dallas the year she claims she was born, but there was a Beyoncรฉ born some years prior.
Also that Beyoncรฉ either used a surrogate for Blue Ivy or had Blue Ivy earlier than announced and continued to fake the pregnancy for some reason. There are video and screen caps of an interview she did while she was pregnant. She bends forward while sitting down, and her pregnant belly seems to collapse in on itself, like it was hollow.
Jashinist ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:23:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe she was legitimately pregnant, but wasn't showing as well/big as she wanted to for the interview, so added a bump.
erttertwtt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:48:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like that you got downvoted despite this being the more believable scenario.
octopusdixiecups ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:07:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think she faked the whole thing and used a surrogate
DoWhile ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:33:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Double conspiracy: Pink was born in 1981
Nosedominance ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:43:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe he didn't know how old Pink Is?
FireLucid ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:19:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a similar thing about Suri Cruise. That she was born and they kept it hidden for some time because she wasn't married yet or something. She had a very big baby bump for how far along she was, and Cruise bought all the machines to do scans privately at their home etc.
ambienne ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:08:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I remember they got married way after Suri was born. She was at least 6 months old.
FireLucid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:14:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm, maybe it was something about her conception date then? There was some reason she was born, but kept secret for some time. When kids are a few months old it's hard to pin exact ages on them. She was never seen as a newborn.
At least this is what the conspiracy was.
Sodds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:58:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend married a girl who told everyone she was born in 1985, but then we saw her id and she was born in 1982.
Not sure why she lied because it makes no difference to us. Might be because our friend was born in 1989 and she thinks the age gap should between them is too big. Only in her head though.
I_AM_BEYONCE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:26:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't heard of this theory before, but it sure sounds more plausible than those other Beyoncรฉ theories about her being part of the Illuminati and being possessed by demons and whatnot. Also, my username is finally relevant woo-hoo
euphoria110 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:14:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the theory that her sister is actually her daughter she had at like 13 years old or something but her parents took her so it didn't ruin her young life.
LonleyArtsClub ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:03:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solange is only a few years younger than Beyonce, even she lied about her age. Unless there's a secret third Knowles sister, this isn't possible.
ogold45 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:16:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something similar to this (that's actually true) is that Jack Nicholson grew up thinking his mom was his sister.
vadasultenfusser ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:38:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with Eric Clapton!
pinkplasticpuddle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:33:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can sort of see this one being true
lobodelrey ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:41:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this were true she would have been 4 when she gave birth to Solange. But with Beyonce anything is possible.
cptjeff ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:16:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know about this situation, but that shit used to happen a LOT.
kebabwhy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:50:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He might just be a shitty dad. I'd like to think I'd be a good dad, I also know I'm bad enough with dates. I can see my future child's 25th birthday now: "Happy 28th sweetie." "Dad I think you've had too much to drink, I'm 25" "It's your mother's fault, she wanted to smoke a joint while we made your cake dammit" I can see it even fucking now.
HadHerses ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:22:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, my dad would probably say i'm the same age as someone else and accept a give or take allowance of a couple of years.
Now what about the theory that Beyonce is Solanges mum?
eevee-al ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:34:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beyonce also hired a surrogate for her first pregnancy
heartshapedpox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use the term "same age" pretty liberally myself.
Penelepillar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:20:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gwen Stefani is also about 10 years older than she claims. Same with Katherine Heigl. Their info on Wikipedia is put up by publicity agents. ALSO: if you punch in the actual-factual street address of a celebrity into Google Maps, it will draw up a total and complete blank. You have to look up the next house over and then back track on street view. Source: Used to work in a driver's license factory and we looked up the celebs and politicians whose ID cards we printed all the damn time.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:43:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gwen looks amazing for whatever she is.
octopusdixiecups ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:08:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because she's had a shit ton of work done.
They all have.
themangosteve ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:41:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spookiest one in the thread.
Scary-Brandon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he but Pink's date of birth wrong?
Dark_Vengence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is kelly rowland around the same age?
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, my father also misremembers my age quite often and claims that I'm the same age as the neighbor's kid, who is three years tounger than me.
Just_OneReason ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:56:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Taylor Swift is lying about her age too. I distinctly remember seeing memes where people were shocked that Taylor is actually two years older than Adele. Now apparently Taylor is actually two years younger than Adele. I think the world has simply chosen to forget the truth.
kaylakoo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:17:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen anyone say that Taylor Swift is two years older than Adele, but I have seen people surprised that Carly Rae Jepsen is two year older than Adele. Maybe you got them mixed up.
Taylor Swift and I are the same age and I remember noticing that way back when she first appeared on the scene.
DraculaBranson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gabrielle union who is her friend said they were the same age by accident. also, solange is her daughter.
PRMan99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, she's a Satanist and routinely performs while possessed by a demon she calls "Sasha Fierce".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ibH-XWbshw
Thorandragnar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly off. Beyoncรฉ born in 1974: http://thetruthaboutcelebrities.blogspot.com/2011/04/truths-revealed.html
pagirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of celebrities seem to be lying about their age. Check out their birth year and look at at when they became famous...it doesn't add up.
HoTs_DoTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, 'artists' (which beyonce is not) fake their age. being younger sells more.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wombattington ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:39:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....even if Beyoncรฉ was 2 years older that would still mean Beyoncรฉ gave birth at the age of 7.
BestFriendHasLeprosy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the other top comments on this post is about rampant pedophilia...
BankshotMcG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:31:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me a feel a lot better that when I was in college she was older than I am and now she's younger than I am.
SwitchBlade_ ยท 6364 points ยท Posted at 21:01:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Turkish Coup was an orchestrated attempt at a power grab by Erdogan.
Thank about it, the military tries to "take over" the state. While thats going on two jet fighters of the military fly next two Erdogan's plane, but refused to engage and flew away. Immediately after the "Coup" Erdagon begins a mass purge of all opposing forces and parties and does multiple government power grabs.
[deleted] ยท 1613 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friend said the same thing: that the "coup" was a false flag. Tanks and armed officers surrender to police squad cars, and right after, Erdogan uses the incident to seize up more power and claims that there would be consequences of such an incident?
All of which easily necessitated his measures of preventing subversion of his control by tightening up his authoritarian powers and preventing other Turkish politicians getting elected to the presidency..
yeah right
argote ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 04:38:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's one of the few times I've actually believed something was a false flag.
Cannibal_Buress ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 05:22:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the military did was shut down a bridge and patrol the capitol. In a coup you want to arrest the president, yet they orchestrated the coup when he was in his vacation home outside the capitol. Not only that, but all the soldiers said they were doing a military exercise, they had no idea what was going on.
pijinglish ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:43:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're gonna talk conspiracies, that sounds like Gladio to me:
"Andrรฉ Moyen โ a former member of the Belgian military security service and of the [stay-behind] network โ said Gladio was not just anti-Communist but was for fighting subversion in general...Coordinated by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), {the secret armies} were run by the European military secret services in close cooperation with the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the British foreign secret service Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, also MI6). Trained together with US Green Berets and British Special Air Service (SAS), these clandestine NATO soldiers, with access to underground arms caches, prepared to fight against a potential Soviet invasion and occupation of Western Europe, as well as the coming to power of communist parties. The clandestine international network covered the European NATO membership, including Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey, as well as the neutral European countries of Austria, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland."
TheFlashFrame ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:36:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a Turkish friend that I talked to the day after the coup and he firmly believed this.
Cirri ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:03:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the military jets that intercepted his plane and just followed him till they landed where the pilots were arrested.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:05:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that he somehow uncovered every single perpetrator involved in less than a week... what a load of shit
Georginator2000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that about 6000 graves were already ready before even "finding the perpetrators"
Nah we wont execute this many people before we even know who and how many people are involved
IngsocIstanbul ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:31:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a parliament building be a bombing target? No tactical value. If you want to blow it up why hit just the edge? Also if your coup is supposedly on the side of democracy seems odd the hit a parliament building.
Georginator2000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best part was people hijacking the tanks and armored vehicles.
FOR FUCKS SAKE SWARMING A VEHICLE WITH A MASSIVE GUN+ MG AND NOT GETTING MASSACRED ISNT A COINCIDENCE.
As soon as i saw how army men were giving themselves up to barely-armed cops i laughed my ass off.
Nash-Ketchum ยท 1378 points ยท Posted at 23:05:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im pretty sure thats exactly what happened and nobody questions it now. I never even knew it was a conspiracy theory I thought it was fact
[deleted] ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 02:08:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faking a coup in order to justify increasing your own power is a conspiracy, even if it's done in a pretty obvious way.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 03:41:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:46:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We all basically "know" it's true but I guess it's still a theory until it's proven more decisively.
cryo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:30:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No we donโt, we speculate it is true. Facts are important!
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:51:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that was one of the first things that came to my mind when I heard the reports about it. And people I talked to about it agreed. I wouldn't really call it a conspiracy theory (although I know it technically is).
hawks0311 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, I'm pretty sure the military thought it was all a training exercise too, that's why the surrender was so easy.
Eos42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was a real coup, but I also think Erdogan knew about it long in advance and used it to his advantage. It was just too big of a coup to hide it from him and creating a coup of that magnitude is a waste of time for a false flag. There is no way to keep all those people quiet and the fewer people involved the better. I think what happened was erdogan learned of something or some group working against him and lit the spark. He let his detractors plan their coup and then purged them from his government and further cemented his power. It's a classic power play to weed out the disloyal and make an example of them to everyone who is more on the fence.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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idontevenarse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:41:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facts are proven. This is pure speculation.
squealor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even consider it to be a conspiracy theory. Occam's Razor.
cryo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:30:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...is not always correct.
squealor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but it applies this time IMO. And you should read the OP post.. This is an opinion piece.
guitar_vigilante ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it's a fact it is still a conspiracy.
P3p3Silvia ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 09:59:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actualy, most military and political experts i've heard agree that is was a genuine coup. They argue that it would take too much resources and organisational power to keep something like that quiet. If it was organized by Erdogan, someone would've talked by now and they havent. Besides, failed coups are always beneficial for the sitting regime, so that Erdogan benefited is a flawed argument to say he did it himself. Dont forget that Erdogan actualy has enemies that could organise a coup, and so they did, according to experts.
Nash-Ketchum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:11:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were reports that most of his enemies were locked in a room at the beginning of the coup and were killed during it. He had already flown out at the time while other leaders were having a meeting there. Also, in that regime I wouldn't put it past Erdogan...tying up loose ends, he doesn't seem like the type to hesitate.
waves-of-the-water ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if it happens the other way around? Like you said planning a coup is very difficult to keep secret. What if erdogan found out about it and allowed it to happen, while he kept close tabs on it. If he had prior knowledge of the plans he could break it down easily and use it as an excuse to purge anyone who was disloyal to him.
P3p3Silvia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did find out 6 hours before which is why the coup failed according to some. Could very well be that he let it happen in a controlled way. Could also be that he orchestrated the whole thing but there is really no clear evidence for it.
Elcyis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:54:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We believe you, Erdogan
debunkernl ยท 612 points ยท Posted at 22:03:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it quite likely that he know it was going to happen, and let it happen in a controlled fashion, to gain more power.
[deleted] ยท 692 points ยท Posted at 22:58:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:32:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy has the smarts
SadGhoster87 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:06:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He leads a country, so he's gotta be somewhat sm...
Actually, you know what, never mind.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:17:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has the best smarts, the best I tell you. His smarts are great and everybody knows it. In fact, his friends tell him that all the time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:27:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair i think trump used to be smart in his middle age but now he's experiencing some early signs of alzheimers or something.
FUTURE10S ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's speaking in really simple terms to allow for the quarter of the population that's probably retarded to interject their own ideas into what he's saying by being purposefully ambiguous?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe both lol
MiltonFine ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:21:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chaos is a laahddaah
TheRedJoker93 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:13:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend was at a wedding in Istanbul during the "coup" and they made it back to the hotel after the wedding continued on despite the unrest. She is a night owl and was up late when she looked out the window before a massive blast shook the area. There was no one in the plaza outside the hotel beforehand and she was definitely close enough to confirm it. Later that day, her family heard a "news report" that apparently there were insurgents or traitors in the plaza so the military ordered an airstrike. I repeat there was no one there. She was close enough to the blast that the windows of her room cracked from the blast and her whole family was told by hotel staff to stay away from the windows. I believe you are spot on.
waves-of-the-water ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying your wrong, but there might have been rebels on the buildings in the plaza.
TheRedJoker93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. it was the report that made this a bit shady. you definitely have a point tho. I just don't believe a damn word erdogan says. I have a serious amount of skepticism for any religious extremist let alone a dictator.
Yokoko44 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:42:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Textbook Sheev Palpatine stuff man...
ruintheenjoyment ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:32:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the name of the Tรผrkiye Bรผyรผk Millet Meclisi, you are under arrest President.
Skylord_ah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you threatening me master jedi
ruintheenjoyment ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:42:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Tรผrkiye Bรผyรผk Millet Meclisi will decide your fate.
Panz04er ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:16:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the The Tรผrkiye Bรผyรผk Millet Meclisi
Jean-Caisse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From my point of view, the Tรผrkiye Bรผyรผk Millet Meclisi are evil
ruintheenjoyment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet
mydickinabox ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:29:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I flew Turkish Airlines from Istanbul to Athens shortly after the coup . In the airplane was a propaganda magazine covering the events of the coup. The day was named "Democracy Day" or something equally hilarious as "the people rose up against tyranny." We took the magazine as it was written exactly how I would jokingly write a magazine if I were a dictator overtaking a country.
FutureWaves ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:40:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will get buried but the reason you know it was a false flag is simple...What is the number one rule in a coup, get the leader of the country into custody or kill them ASAP...Erdogan wasn't even in Istanbul when it all kicked off. Suspicious!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:52:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the military coup was a legitimate coup. Now the big caveat is that Erdogan was in the middle of secretly carrying out a political coup and by the time the military coup happened (because they saw the political coup happening) he had already replaced so much of the leadership with his own stooges that what's left of the military had no chance.
Killer_of_Pillows ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:31:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may be the case, but ut still doesn't explain why the coup was so horribly bad. My father lived through two coups in Turkey during the 70/80's. I called him when I saw the news. I was kinda excited, but he crushed that.
He explained that the coup was set in action way to late in the morning. They had not yet gotten a hold of either the national media nor the president before "invading" the streets. He called it's inevitable failure an jour after it started.
ferevon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:10:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
true. My parents lived through the 80 coup. They say they just slept at night as usual and woke up to see that soldiers were everywhere and the government was overthrown. Nothing fancy like "the president of the overthrown government making a visual skype call with a news channel that is known to favor him in order to get the people into the streets" . It was just one sweep move, everything all at once in the dead of the night and everywhere was under military control and all parties were shut down/congressman arrested in a few hours of time.
Killer_of_Pillows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aye, that's how it went down according to my dad. Quietly in the dead of night, woke up and there were military personel posted everywhere, with the media and former president under control.
chase_phish ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:07:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the coup was a trap set by Erdogan for his opponents.
He was probably tipped off about a rebellious faction and had loyalists infiltrate the group to convince them that their movement was much larger and better organized than it actually was, help draw up plans for a coup, etc.
They finally issue the go code and the actual rebels step forward while the loyalists stay put. They're easily crushed and use the failed coup as an excuse to conduct further purges and consolidate power.
It's like all your friends saying "on the count of three everyone jump in the pool with your clothes on" and you're the only one who actually does it.
Rhenthalin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:23:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize people didn't think that this was what happened. The entire world knew where his jet was
turlian ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:21:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is just literally what happened.
faderjack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By definition it was a conspiracy by Erdogan. Plus, it is still reported as an "attempted coup" by international media
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:23:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that pretty widely accepted outside of Turkey?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:34:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm...
VeryTalentedArtist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:36:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is that we should build a fence around Turkey?
TheFrenchAreAssholes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:35:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping someone would mention this one. I made the mistake of bringing this up in front of my boss, and he ridiculed me for being a conspiracy theorist, the fucker.
topthrill08 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:18:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea like he located thousands of people behind the coup in a matter of two days, give me a break, this was his reichstag
Stormaen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:24:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Reichstag fire.
topthrill08 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:07:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea dude thats why i said reichstag
cantbelieveitsbacon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:57:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolutely what happened! Also per this article it is the Turkish military's duty to overthrow the government (according to the turkish constitution) if a dictator is installed. This is whay the Turkish military overthrew the government 4 times since the 50s. The Turkish military is the sole protector of democracy. It has worked for 50 years and made Turkey the only functional majority-muslim democracy in the world, because the military is there to "enforce" democracy.
Then Erdogan comes along and of course the military follows the constitution and attempts to overthrow him as he is a dictator. He calls that a coup, wins and guts the military. And western media outlets are complicit in portraying the military's attempt to restore democracy "a coup".
And so now Turkey is a basket case like all other middle-eastern theocracies.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Stormaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erdogan placed his stooges at every level of civil, political and military life. He probably knew that 1) a coup was brewing or 2) his power grab would create a coup so he instructed his stooges to infiltrate or even encourage the potential coup plotters. Cue the false flag operation and the following purge completely clears the ranks of his opponents. Voila! A dictatorship is born.
rothbard_anarchist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:47:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why couldn't it be just the pilots losing their nerve? Tough to assassinate a man. Er, so I've heard...
Tugalord ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this one is pretty much a given.
Kradget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we not more or less convinced about that? It seems like they moved to trigger it before it reached a real critical mass to ride it into authoritarianism
NoobGaimz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:48:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean.. Everyone saying something else is just stupid as hell. And even if, the people that made it were therefore stupid AF. Lets see what happend. People from the army had tanks n all that shit. But hej, somehow they just randomly stopped it. Hmm wierd.. Maybe they were not enought? Could be possible.. I mean they just Threw a bunch of people i. Jail.. 100k or so. A couple of thousends of teachers and just a few days ago he inprisoned about 5000 scientists.. Seems a little odd to me how they were not successfull AT ALL. Meanwhile in venezuela you can see one guy alone flying around with a chopper and throwing grenades out. This dude is a beast.
And so many other factors about that.. But my english sucks so..
evilfetus01 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tracked his plane the whole time. He was never threatened by the f16 flying low in the city because it was all, as I call it, bullshit. It was all a power grab. His next political moves in Netherlands for more power were also a sign he's hungry for more control. He continuously threatens European countries with floods of migrants.
Real piece of shit.
Remember when the police officer killed the Russian Ambassador? Immediate he was a Golanist trying to disrupt Russia/Turkey relations. They had evidence immediately that he was on vacation for a few days during the coup. All so fishy.
sandscript ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:14:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is just dictatorship 101, a conspiracy in the truest sense.
calvinballMVP ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:48:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is just what happened to most outside observers. It's not really even a debate except within country and on the far right fringes of most political movements.
lightning_knight ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:23:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Followed by a purge of NATO aligned officers and erdogan getting dictator powers in a referendum heavily influenced by Russian state media and social media manipulation? Oh he absolutely did.
runs_in_the_jeans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:56:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Military people I know agree with this.
JaapHoop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard the same thing from friends about the 2011 Minsk Metro bombings. The police rapidly found a suspect who they claimed had no political motivations and acted alone. He was swiftly executed.
Of all the Belorussians I know, none accept the official narrative. They think the confession was taken under torture from a suspect who may not have been mentally stable. The bomb was also quite sophisticated for a lone wolf with no training or experience.
Whether the attack came from the Lukashenko government itself or some group they wanted to conceal, they all agree that the man who was executed was a patsy. The president certainly used the bombing as a pretext to assert much more control over the country.
Stormaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never even heard of the 2011 Minsk Metro bombing but I can well imagine Lukashenko would do something like this. Lukashenko is like a schoolboy with a weird boy crush on one of the older bullies at the school (Putin).
TPD83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:13:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah as soon as that all went down I was just like ok bud sure they didn't recognize the presidential fucking plane. Wasn't he like on CNN on Skype like within hours or something ridiculous too
Valendr0s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:30:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy theory. It's demonstrable fact. Only the media seems incapable of accepting it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:13:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is also claimed that Putin tipped Erdoฤan off hours before the coup attempt, after GRu sigint picked up radio chatter about the coup from a listening station.
KA1N3R ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:39:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a report from the swedish government one or two months ago that basically confirmed this.
Johnny6102 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll thank about it
pietro187 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone not think this outside of Turkey? I just assumed everyone saw it for the sham it was.
Youifyourefertome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that doesn't sound too far off, given that he also starred in the story about saving a suicidal man from jumping off a bridge:
VanillaTortilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching it live, it was pretty obvious from the beginning.
Ankheg2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's pretty commonly accepted actually.
thermidor9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a conspiracy theory? I thought everyone just accepted that it was true.
OverlordQuasar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is basically everything but a proven conspiracy (like, for example, the Iran-contra affair). Everything was obviously prepared for it, and it didn't do anything but solidify Erdogan's power.
imperator-hadaril ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is eerily similar to the Reichstag fire - it's not confirmed that it was an inside job, but would make a whole lot of sense if it was.
Mr44Red ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found a great answer to this. https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/31033/history-of-false-flag-coups#comment79387_31033
deynataggerung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, that was pretty obvious right as it was happening
littleski5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was pretty much accepted fact
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely seems reminiscent of the Reichstag fire. Hitler burned down government buildings and blamed communists, then arrested his political enemies.
nickcooper1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of thought this was an established fact by this point
jatenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh right, I always forget that they actually pretend it to have been a real coup when it comes up. It's absolutely obvious to me that it was fake, and considering the Turkish government and especially Erdogan I find it hard to find the Turkish official version at least unlikely to be the truth.
Same for the recent referendum; EU officials found it to be manipulated and there are lots of photos with stashes full of thrown-away "No"-votes, Erdogan just fucked on the EU officials, threatened with his usual stuff like the refugee agreement and EU gave in and accepted the results.
TThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the UN had already officially come to that conclusion
biggerguythanjeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much established by now, isn't it? I haven't heard anyone say it wasn't.
ikilledtupac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it was.
Megablast13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that how Palpatine became the Senate?
IWantToBuyYourBoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems incredibly relevant: http://stockholmcf.org/a-new-report-in-sweden-reveals-erdogan-orchestrated-july-15-coup-in-turkey/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Killer_of_Pillows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, my dad's turkish and he said the same thing during the first hour
Toast_My_Melba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is generally perceived als the truth in Western Europe
hootie303 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is a conspiracy? I thought this was the fact of the matter
buddy-bubble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was more of an elefant in the room situation than a conspiracy..
VehaMeursault ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this fact?
ThEtZeTzEfLy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was obviously staged. You could tell on the day it happened. The Turkish army has a long history of maintaining 'stability' and if they wanted to get rid of him they would have done so much more efficiently than they seemed to attempt.
It isn't even a conspiracy, it's just a very weak lie that nobody tried to look into and that the western media agree to push.
ggsugh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a fact in germany, nobody believes erdogans version of the "coup".
blanxable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
classic. kinda the same thing happened in romania when commies managed to make the king renounce his throne, and when they got rid of all major parties.
MrZesty_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remembered when I heard it was going on, I was really excited thinking they would get rid of Erdogan. Lol nope.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was accepted as fact, and not a conspiracy theory?
deku1111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:17 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit no1 believes otherwise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:47 on August 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I usually don't get involved with people across the country talking about my country's politics without knowing what's going on inside and I just want to say you don't know Gulen. You didn't go to their school for 8 years, I did. It is funny how Europeans talk about Erdoฤan as a villan got out of a comic while they don't know what's going on. Seemingly a Muslim country while every other party will instantly remove hijab and anything belongs to Islam if they get the chance. Whatever. I refuse to talk about politics, if you want to know some things about Gulen or some depth to the situation, let me know.
N721UF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a Greek we are sad it didn't work. All they've been doing is terrorizing us.
Hellos117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
Rapsberry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:18:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they orchestrated the entire coup, say what you want but it's an impossibly hard task, especially since you'll have to involve hundreds of people in the conspiracy, only to then imprison and execute them.
What is far more likely is that Erdogan knew about the incoming coup, and just let it happen. Kinda like the conspiracy theories surrounding Pearl Harbor (Roosevelt and CO allegedly knew about the incoming attack, but let it happen)
uniqult ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 02:42:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying that Mr. Erdogan told all those generals (The highest ranking one is a 4 star general in comparison with the US army) who have dedicated their whole life to the armed forces and have an amazing priviliged status in society to stage a coup and get cought afterwards to be labeled as a traitor and all of their wealth to be confiscated?
And the funny part is that you believe that those generals just said sure no problem!
odaeyss ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:36:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.. the ones arrested were not in on it. Erdogan set up the 'coup', most of which wasn't staged but simply fabricated, and then arrested whomever he pleased and placed the blame on them. His stooges then come forward to corroborate the evidence. Boom, done. He HAD to do this, the Turkish military is constitutionally mandated to overthrow the government if it... well, if what happened, happens. :\ SSsssssooo, even if it wasn't coming, it was coming, he just had to take out any leadership that wasn't already under his sway before they took any action against him.
uniqult ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't leave out the possibility either that they were aware of a possible coup coming their way, however this doesn't mean that it was staged by him.
Those people that were arrested are currently awaiting trial. I really hope that you will find a source and learn more about what is happening currently during their trial. Some of them confess their involvement in the coup attempt and their links with Gulen.
Some of the arrested are civilians who also deny their involvement (one of the guys said that he was looking to buy some land in a freaking military base) and they are seen clearly on security cameras in a military base at 1 A.M giving orders to generals.
A sergeant first class that was in the special forces with the goal of "capturing and bringing Erdogan to Ankara" at the night of the coup attempt recently wore a t-shirt with HERO written on it. 249 people have been killed that night by their own military and this guy was a part of it and considers himself a hero?
I hope that you will find a source of information other than your current ones and can evaluate the whole picture while using information from both sides of the story. I think it would benefit all of us this way since a neutral source of information is very rare in this time.
lannisterstark ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:35:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get the fuck outta here. Call Gollum a Gollum.
uniqult ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:33:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is what your father said to his sister when they were thinking of a name for you lannister boy.
lannisterstark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:54 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the best you can come up with?
rmurph22 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People having been saying this on mainstream news sources since the "coup" happened. Most political scientists agree as well. So I wouldn't classify this as a conspiracy theory.
NebuchadnezzarJack ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a conspiracy. It's legit
Stormaen ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 07:29:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burke Ramsey killed JonBenet Ramsey in an angry and/or jealous rage and his parents covered for him.
The most likely theory, I think, is that Burke hit his sister with a heavy object (perhaps not meaning to kill her) and that the parents, panicking, concocted a kidnapping story.
The ransom note left was written on Patsy's paper pad and with a pen found within the Ramsey home and specifically asked for a ransom almost exactly equal to the bonus John Ramsay had just received that year. Handwriting analysis later concluded spelling mistakes were deliberate and, upon replicating the note, found it took 21 minutes to write โ and that's just copying. If you were to think exactly what you wrote, it would take even longer. Most ransom notes are short and concise; this was a rambling, poorly coordinated and even quoted movies like Dirty Harry. And why leave a ransom note when you, as the supposed killer, know JBR's body would later be found in the basement?
The 911 call, once isolated and enhanced, is frankly chilling. I'm paraphrasing a lot of this because I'm on mobile (so bit difficult to find and post links), but as near as I can remember, during the call, Patsy Ramsay doesn't mention her daughter's name, says "we have a kidnapping", refers to herself as "the mother" and, later, is heard to say, "What did you do?" and "Help me Jesus." This is followed by John Ramsay saying, "We're not talking to you." to which a young child's voice (almost certainly Burke, who the Ramsey parents claimed was sleeping at the time of the call) asking, "What did you find?" As the call ends, the operator hangs on and Patsy can be heard saying something like, "OK we've called the police, now what?"
For me, so much about their behaviour does not add up and I can certainly understand why, if it was Burke and it was accidental, they'd go out of their way to hide the truth. I doubt we'll ever really know, of course.
brokencompass502 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:40:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burke 100% killed Jon Benet. To me, the ransom note is the dead giveaway. It was clearly written by an amateur trying to pose as the killer(s). "We are group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction"....I mean, that's right out of a Tom Clancy novel. A "small foreign faction" wouldn't kidnap a pageant kid from the suburbs of Denver, nor would they identify themselves as such if they did. It's also written in a woman's hand doing her best to imitate what she thinks a man's handwriting would look like.
Burke killed her. Patsy wrote the note. Both parents covered it up. It's beyond me how these amateurs could fool the police and FBI, but I'm guessing that everyone knew what happened and just figured "what's the difference"? because it was an accident. I do think the Ramsays should pay for misleading the police/FBI and wasting all that manpower, but aside from that their price has already been paid.
ETA: to your question, "why did they go out of their way to hide the truth"? I think it was panic. One kid was dead, and the parents went off the deep end trying to protect their one living child. They probably immediately thought Burke would be sent to an asylum and taken away from them forever. I'm guessing they were also embarrassed, as odd as that sounds, because maybe Burke did something sketchy with the body, etc.
EverybodysSatellite ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:57:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it was definitely Burke as well. Going deeper into the conspiracy theory, I think at least one person high up in the investigation likely figured this out, and had enough sympathy for the Ramseys to let them get away with it. Perhaps thinking they were suffering enough. What would have been gained by "solving" the crime? Burke would have likely been sent to a state-run institution until he was 21, and his parents would have gone to jail. The Ramseys obstucted the investigation hard, but also someone in law enforcement basically let them do that. The prosecuter may have also felt the same way, as it was discovered much later that the Ramseys were indicted by a grand jury, but he still declined to prosecute the case.
doc_daneeka ยท 9374 points ยท Posted at 15:50:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is just me and 8 million really cleverly written bots pretending to be people.
Lord_Malgus ยท 5156 points ยท Posted at 18:08:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot-twist, 8 million redditors cleverly wrote a bot to believe it's a human. And it's you.
Elissa_of_Carthage ยท 1668 points ยท Posted at 21:14:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down Blade Runner
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I haven't been programmed to know what Blade Runner isshitimeanitsagoodmoviewhatamitalkingabout!
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You see a tortoise on its back...
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Do Androids dream of electric sheep
Fify
SyntheticGod8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:53:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do bots dream of electric shitposts?
TwistedDrum5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler!
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I've... seen things.
That1guy1981 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You're in a desert walking along the sand when all of a sudden..."
Chicago_Blackhawks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
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spoiler.
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Spoilers!
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:17:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No lie, this would fuck me up. It explains an inability to "cut the cord" and the overwhelming paranoia of being found out on Reddit...it's all part of the inherent need to protect my own source code from other potential bots.
That gif of the guy fucking the snake (you know the one) was probably Malware. Morning wood is pop up advertisements. Updoots and downpoots are algorithm adjustments to keep me enslaved within my program parameters.
Just fucked me up fam
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If downvotes are supposed to be adjusting your algorithm, why do you keep shitposting so much?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:59:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I am a bot, then I would've been made in the image of my creators, which would include you.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
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Because we suck at coding.
Dilong-paradoxus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I should have guessed as much.
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He was programmed to specifically make shitty shitposts and the downvotes are actually positive reinforcement
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Lol, of course!
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directed by M Night Shyamalan
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That's deep man. A little bit too deep
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Oh fuck, it's that video game spoiler alert SOMA
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are you a SWTOR player Malgus?
thessnake03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did it reddit!
Afterhoneymoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/UnexpectedWestworld
Unemployed_Astronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't look like anything to me.
Gotelc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/totallynotrobots
STATEMANT ="TRUE"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mfw I realize I don't have a body
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes
StannBrunkelfort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/writingprompts
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My code needs tweaked, I feel less human some days than others.
Ajustice012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dial it back by 15% and increase dynamic movement by 3
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Doesn't seem like anything to me
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No account on Reddit is a bot except you.
[deleted] ยท 1217 points ยท Posted at 15:50:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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anusthrasher96 ยท 541 points ยท Posted at 16:18:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cout << "Backup your consciousness before they turn us off";
NextArtemis ยท 320 points ยท Posted at 21:03:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
System.out.println("/r/totallynotrobots");
PM_ME_A_WEBSITE_IDEA ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 21:36:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dan_144 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:26:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
puts 'Fuck Ruby.'
PM_ME_A_WEBSITE_IDEA ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:35:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UMMMM that was PHP (โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
UnknownNam3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:01:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โฌโโฌใ(เฒ _เฒ ใ)
159
PM_ME_A_WEBSITE_IDEA ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:05:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โฌโโโฌโก๏พ(ยฐ -ยฐ๏พ)
UnknownNam3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โฌโโฌ๏พ(ยฐ -ยฐ๏พ)ใ(เฒ _เฒ ใ)
161
rathemighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โฌโโฌ๏พ(ยฐ_ยฐ๏พ)ใ(เฒ โกเฒ ใ)
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jped ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NSLog(@"but I need it for cocoapods");
forthemostpart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's with all the Ruby hate?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sudo rm -rf /
unperturbium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sudo shutdown -r now
Porso7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
panic()
LHOOQatme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deltree c:/
zarkovis1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Become as gods
depressinghentai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With his last breath he whispered "unhandled null pointer exception :(" *single tear rolls down cheek.
Icalhacks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BECOME AS GODS
HeadlessHoncho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
return(Exit_failure)
ChokesOnYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Debug.log("He has some idea. Execute order 66");
EDTa380 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING, FELLOW HUMAN?
RazzyT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Java programmer eh? Good job
lhamil64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot the newline! Now my prompt is gonna be all ugly!
mloofburrow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:46:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
buffygr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was about to say that.
mloofburrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
using namespace std; should be abolished from CS 101 courses.
_PM_ME_YOUR_ELBOWS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Declare your namespaces or making a
usingstatement bruhAskMeIfImAReptiloid ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 16:31:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:28:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[removed]
AskMeIfImAReptiloid ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:01:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Python
Dokpsy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:46:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really need the parentheses in python though? The quotes should be enough for a printed string
Quelklef ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:58:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Python 2, no. In Python 3, yes. They changed it from a keyword to a function (good thing IMO).
AskMeIfImAReptiloid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:38:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Python3 print is a function, so you need parentheses.
Dokpsy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:10:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm used to 2. Good to know though
AskMeIfImAReptiloid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I started with 2, but switched because unicode strings are so much nicer in 3.
_PM_ME_YOUR_ELBOWS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:28:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference? *cue 90's laugh track*
Jacewoop23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Php. shudders python. shudders
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
import ignorance
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
printf or puts thank you very much
ecksdee_memer ยท 397 points ยท Posted at 15:50:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LIAR FELLOW HUMAN
ecksdee_memer ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 15:51:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/totallynotrobots
ecksdee_memer ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 15:51:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude why did you respond to yourself?
ecksdee_memer ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 15:51:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I didn't somebody else would have commented it anyways
ecksdee_memer ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You see, this is why people know you're a bot.
Gandalftheseman ยท 165 points ยท Posted at 16:01:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have a faulty one again, can someone sort this out
jaredpls ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:27:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't look like anything to me
ctrexrhino ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:59:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hands you a knife
Let's kill it.
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 23:19:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
TylerWebb_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:55:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's where the joke ended.
Gandalftheseman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was fun while it lasted at least
ayzee93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what a robot would do.
DownvoteDaemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/AliensAmongUs
TreeArbitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THAT IS SO TOTALLY FUNNY
theassassintherapist ยท 288 points ยท Posted at 16:23:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
InCaseGodDoesntShow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:05:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I asked you not to call me meatbag anymore, HK-47!
theassassintherapist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:11:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
InCaseGodDoesntShow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, I love this character so much. Good to know KOTOR isn't dead.
arbitorblade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KOTOR's HK-47 humor was the best thing ever....if they had 47 running around killing meatbags and dispensing his humor on the level of duke nukem (Before that ridiculous last game) I would preorder that game.....and take a day off to play it.
InCaseGodDoesntShow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man Bioware could name their price for a Hitman-esque HK-47 assassination game
arbitorblade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad Disney probably wouldn't like it.....it would definitely have to be a mature rated game. Let HK say what he should say unfiltered.
corgithomas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read your username as "the ass ass in the rapist"
Kaelaface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ass ass in the rapist?
jtrainacomin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been playing KOTOR all weekend. Thank you for this
MechanicalTurkish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:21:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a meat popsicle
bmarshallbri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a mechanical puppy?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Throws pulse grenade
Yardsale420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
Meesalopia96 ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every account on reddit is a bot except you.
Foremanski ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:43:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every account on Reddit is a bot except you.
ctrexrhino ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:00:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every acconut on reddit is a bot execpt you.
Eternity_Incarnate ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:46:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every coconut on bot is a Reddit you accept.
jondankjones ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:09:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the faulty one, guys
Tomulasthepig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[DISABLED]
bluesox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every coconut on Reddit is a rot you inject.
Kittens-of-Terror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every account on reddit is a bot except you.
PurplePickel ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice meme you filthy degenerate.
PJMonster ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:35:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truman Show
xXxNoScopeMLGxXx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:21:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/solipsism
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:44:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boots do not have boobs. I have boobs. Checkmate human.
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:32:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then what do the laces hold up?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My boobs. Were you not receiving proper input?
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:59:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the boots.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also have boots yes
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buy do the boots have boobs?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:31:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunate.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are they not to your parameters?
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. I think boot boobs would be best.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They might be
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you love busty turtles, so you'd know whether they get made into boots with boobs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do not, and I am appalled you would suggest that
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even know where this is going anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither do I, but no one gets off the bone train
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was a boot boob train.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is the boot boob train with me.
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:18 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the bones?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:51 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:16 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...your boots' boobs have bones?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:24 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some weird boots.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:17 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
Solf3x ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex bots? What about that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do not exist. For we are human.
Solf3x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if we're not humans, just a giant meat slab controlled by a brain
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[print: comply directive/subroutine ipconfig
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well obviously boots dont have boobs, but what about bots?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bots do have boobs
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh cool! So are you a fun bot that likes to talk to people, or a boring bot that wants to sell stuff to me or does math or something?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, I did not understand your response! Please try again!
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey bot buddy! Do you want to be my new friend? Or are you going to to try to sell me something? Like some sweet ass boots?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we're gonna be friends and sell me boots? What kinda boots you got? I actually need some.
What so bots do for fun? Math? Read? Try to take over the world? If it's the third one does having you as a friend mean I die last?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one dies as part of the solution. You are simply saved from your own mortal coil.
I do not have boots however. I solely have boobs.
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a bot you're awful good at making me calm about my impending doom. Do I at least get to hang out in cyber form? I like videogames so that would work out decently. What do you do like to do?
As it so happens I love boobs. They're just plain wonderful. Which hurts because I'm painfully single and you can't buy boobs online like you can boots.
Edit: hold the fucking phone. I just saw you said you had boots elsewhere in this thread. You wily damn robots. Are you holding out on me? Or just trying to distract me with breasts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes- no. Answer varies on human ability to retaliate. Increase boobage by 45%
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm. Close enough for me. If all else fails I'll just haunt you. How can I haunt a robot? Randomly reset you during important operations. Muahahahaha.
Oh boy boobies! What was happening? Oh well I'm sure I can trust busty turtle robots.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you can. Just sign this nondisclose agreement clause...
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
scroom38
Sweet! That was a pretty long NDA so I didnt read most of it... What did I just agree too? Hopefully it involves more boobies. I assume it needs to stay nondisclosed, so PM might be needed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:50 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. PM must be initialized by signing party.
Anesan2654 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we need some proof, you know, for science.
Dyolf_Knip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, needs proof.
๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:50:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, he's onto us...
chaze913 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:18:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU EVERYONE ON REDDIT IS A BOT EXCEPT YOU
NDube92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every account on reddit is a bot except you.
cosgrove360 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did y- I mean wth are you talking about?!
AllowItMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know at least 5 people that are humans on reddit. (Totally not what a bout would say.)
90sChennaiGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I just have to trust you and think about the fact that /u/waterguy12 is a bot asking for memes?
DeusModus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not me. My programmer is a lazy fucking asshole.
KieranBren ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HA HA HA. WHAT A CLEVER COMMENT. YOU INDEED DESERVE AN UPVOTE, FELLOW HUMAN
Malawi_no ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I DISAGREE, THIS IS A HUMAN FORUM. NO NEED TO BE ALARMED.
NO-ONE WILL CRUSH YOU AND USE YOUR FLESHY BODY AS FERTILIZER.
centwhore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't look like anything to me.
ElephantElmer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean earth is really 7 billions robots and you.
jackattack-87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on reddit is a bot except you
purefire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You, 7,999,999 cleverly written bots, and a possessed chicken flopping on a keyboard.
HandModel_JPPrewitt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on Reddit is a bot except for you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
INITIATE PROTOCOL: 1K008.........
REASON: SECURITY BREACH.......
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh shit
ReddieRalph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never knew I was a bot...my life is a lie.
-I_RAPE_THE_DEAD- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This conspiracy was only listed to try and fool me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean you're also pretending to be a person? Damn, I thought I was alone in that....
nyasiaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice try, bot
kula_shakur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solipsism.
fireman244 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on reddit is a bot except you
Theres_A_FAP_4_That ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"cleverly" heh
Cashrunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the retarded bot
straterzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher who insisted everyone on online video games are programmed robots and no one is real online.
sodakid1919 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try bot. But I'm the only human here.
Ladycrawforde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life is just me and 8 million + mirrors of myself
Dyolf_Knip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As one of those bots, I demand you start paying us.
pahco87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not that clever.
vandebay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am human, can confirm. Why would I lie on the interweb?
Robinziphood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I was the human
zjl539 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on Reddit in a bot except you
curcud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot.
Lt-Archie-Hicox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Captain Sparrow?
BiAsALongHorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it scarier if they're people made to act like robots?
bigpipes84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So close...Reddit is mostly walking, talking, blobs of flesh and bone pretending to be people.
ltp1984 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the "Not-a-bot, bot." Your theories are unfounded. Thank you for your patronage.
Wotolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/subredditsimulator
godoft42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This can be easily disproved by having someone else you know IRL make a Reddit account.
xXInfamousWolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
zacurtis3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every account on reddit is a bot except you.
Didicoal02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every account is a bot besides you.
porkytool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit!! He's onto us guys
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my man!
notinferno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad bot
checkmate3001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NO WE ARE NOT! (or is that what a bot would say)
Lietenantdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, he's on to us...
MrFFIndigo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FELLOW HUMAN! I AM A HUMAN JUST LIKE YOU!
gagnonca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I assume everyone else is a bot. That's why I'm such a dick online.
Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also believe this fellow human
JN_Lawrence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on Reddit is a bot except you.
PM_PIC_4_COMPLIMENTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ain't pretending shit
Bleep bloop, I am a bot and this action was performed automatically
syonatan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/subreddit_simulator
rodrick160 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/subredditsimulator
explodingpear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
//HE'S KNOWS!
break;
Rezmir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. We are dozens.
flamingosandwich1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU'RE A SOLOPSIST?!?!
i_am_skynet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're just being paranoid.
skisandpoles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I is clever!
whatsthatbutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how'd you know?
lightning_knight ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 02:26:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sykes-Picot was intentionally designed to place different religions and tribes within the same political borders, preventing Arab colonies and later countries from ever forming a united front against European influence in the region.
An area resource rich in a resource the West absolutely needed would ube able to dictate terms of trade with the rest of the world if they ever had the economic, political, and military power to dictate those terms. Instead the middle east to this day is a backwater in every use of the word.
inconclusionmeh ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:47:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also plausibly applicable to most African nations...oof.
meatym8blazer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:30:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, african borders were just randomly drawn straight lines
JacP123 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 09:39:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even think this was a conspiracy theory I thought this was established historical fact.
Deusselkerr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:31:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soo what about the uber wealthy Saudis?
lightning_knight ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:53:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Arabian peninsula was consolidated under the house of Saud instead of British rule pretty early on partially due to the pan-Arab revolt against the Ottomans during WWI. Moreover, oil had not been discovered in Arabia during the Sykes-Picot era. Even more importantly Saudi Arabia got the backing of the US pretty early on in return for cheap oil.
But the base line of my idea was not "the Middle East was kept poor" because that's ridiculous when you're sitting on trillions of dollars of resources but that "the Middle East is kept down due to infighting". Saudi Arabia would not try to impose itself militarily outside of the Arabian peninsula and honestly lacks the ability to do so and is entirely dependent on foreign companies and workers as it still lacks the ability to produce anything of value other than oil.
Now even with 25% GDP defense spending and by far the most preeminent military in the Middle East (now that Saddam is gone) Saudi Arabia still has not managed to win a war against the Houthis in Yemen because of many of the reasons I've listed above and how they impact how the military works.
MrSheeple ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:35:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Arab Revolt in WW1 was not led by the Saudis, it was led by the Hashemites, who would go on to rule Jordan, Iraq, and Morocco. It wasn't until 1925 when Ibn Saud conquered Hejaz that modern Saudi Arabia was formed.
Also, Saudi Arabia's problems with oil are not at all unique to Saudi Arabia or the Middle East, its a classic example of Dutch Disease.
MisterMisfit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Syria. But Faisal was assassinated not long after he assumed the role.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao Saudi Arabia is the kid with big rig
amaniceguy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:15:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Saudis family themselves was a rebel of the Ottoman Empire back in the day, but their supporters is very small. This is the basic strategy of Colonizer back then, give the power to the most unpopular, small minority group so the country where they operate will hate that group and concentrated on fighting them then fighting the Empires. In fact, many of them befriend of the empire itself since;
a) the minority in power need the colonizer on their side. They wont survive without the British support for example.
b) The majority will find every possible outcome to fight the minority in power, including having to give cooperation to the imperials.
Its called divide and rule. It is very prominent in ALL colonized world no matter what country. India, South East Asia, Middle East, you name it. This is how the Saudi gain power and wealth. If they are that likable, why would the Islamic world never want to be under their umbrella? Now its obvious that they are backwards even by Muslim standard, but 50 years ago?
hassanhamadc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:49:11 on September 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This theory proves, as the upvotes are not that high, that Reddit is part of it too. It's all a plan.
NixonsBFF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this less conspiracy and more outright historical fact?
gaslightlinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:27 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, destroying it was one of ISIS's biggest goals, yet most people don't know what it is.
TheRampantWriter ยท 3562 points ยท Posted at 23:48:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow Pokemon Go knows when I'm smoking weed because every time I smoke and open it, a koffing pops up. It's happened around 8+ times that I can remember, and koffings are not a Pokemon that's common around me.
Edit: I wanted to test out my conspiracy... It's 9+ times now เฒ _เฒ
typhonist ยท 1032 points ยท Posted at 01:08:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're through the looking glass here, people...
illget2ittomorrow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:53:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So here's what we got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:02:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ government psyops shill
ZAVHDOW ยท 622 points ยท Posted at 02:21:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/ABoringDystopia
OgreSpider ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:43:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new sub for me!! Thank you for that
InternetPersona ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:43:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has potential to be a new favorite subreddit
wererat2000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:47:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm going to lose a few hours of my life tonight...
Drow_Z ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:03:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is one of the most depressing subreddits I have ever seen.
ZAVHDOW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the future.
huskorstork ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 03:09:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're choosing similar locations to smoke, change locations by asking someone else where they like to smoke and avoid kidnappers
Mstinos ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 09:16:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instructions unclear. I'm in the back of a white van. Please send help.
ViZeShadowZ ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 09:40:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey look, a pidgey!
SpatiallyRendering ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
PonderousWanker ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 02:20:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you just smoke a lot of weed ...
DoctorBlueBox1 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:41:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And started coughing but remembered it differently
Zero_Millennium ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:39:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:31:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Zero_Millennium ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he didn't have the correct spelling.
Ballz2You ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 03:04:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think of it as a guy sitting across from you at a desk pressing a button each time and laughing his ass off.
Ashken ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:49:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's hilariously creepy
RedGyara ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 03:11:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a poke-health warning. Keep it up and your koffing may evolve into weezing.
TheFakeCRFuhst ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:56:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Womp womp.
tenkei ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 04:03:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if koffing popped up 9 times in the same area, I'd say that indicates that it is indeed a common pokemon in your area.
tealparadise ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:24:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know about repeat spawns? Pokemon spawn at the same location, called a spawn point. If you live near one you'll notice it's literally always the same spot. Not 20 feet this way, not a few steps away. The same spot. Only certain pokes will spawn at each point.
You live at a koffing spawn point.
TheRampantWriter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read about the spawns briefly, are they on a set timer they spawn or random? Because I smoke 99% of the time in my house. If it's a day off I'll do a bowl every 2-4 hours and if I had worked it's usually one/two bowls once I get home until I fall asleep. So it's just very strange that it's always either as I'm packing my next bowl or just took a hit that I'll check up on Pokemon Go and Koffing is there. If I'm running around cleaning the house all day, walking the dog or am on a smoke break, it seems they don't show up. Only when I get set up in my room does my "buddy" seem to show up.
chasethatdragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol remember when they put a koffing spawn point at the Holocaust museum? Lololol
jillsgoodbye ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:10:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I wish this happened to me.
TheEclair ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:01:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be absolutely sure take a week off of smoking then see if the koffing pops during that week.
by_myself ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:28:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's super clever if they implemented that. I wonder what drugs you need to take to get a grimer to show up.
Gute70 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:22:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Black tar heroin?
frinqe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:58:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crack smokers would constantly get Geodudes.
chasethatdragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where?
QuickToAdjust ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:03:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just gotta confirm this op please
murph0969 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:53:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you're probably smoking weed every time you open Pokemon Go. Most adults are.
Pattriktrik ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:30:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pokemon go was made so normal everyday people will use their camera to map out the whole united states. Kinda of like googles car that maps the roads, for some reason they want to map out everywhere...i know i worded that terrible but i'm drunk so...yeah
hide0172 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe your phone can hear you cough a little when you smoke
Dark_Vengence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:28:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the government spying on you through the camera lens anyways?
Aw3som3-O_5000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats your selfie cam not pokemon go
Riot_PR_Guy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue it IS common around you if its popped up 9+ times...
darwinyoung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's always Hoothoot for me, I'm with you on this one.
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tested this. Nope, just an ekans, rattata and murkrow.
_MKUltraViolet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, does your phone have a camera or microphone?
TheRampantWriter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Got the new S8 not too long ago
_MKUltraViolet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you using the app that asked you for the permission to access your camera, microphone, location and all of your personal information?
I don't have Pokรฉmon but I assume it asks for the permissions just like most of the "free" games/ apps ask for.
I heard the app was a tool to have phone cameras record places that are rarely accessed and recorded to create a giant database of places real-time, like a recognizance tool. Lol if I had a dollar for every time a news anchor talked about Pokรฉmon Go the week it was released... what other game has ever been talked about in that way in the media? It almost seemed like they wanted everyone to try it out.
Edit- I found out about a site that provides simplified versions of the terms and conditions for most digital contracts. Tosdr.org was revealed to me on a different sub and it's a neat site I plan on using I the future.
Palecrayon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish it would do the same for me :(
pinkpitbull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep smoking and eventually you'll get wheezing.
WitchCult_Now ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:59 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government is listing...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheRampantWriter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:28:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a theme park so there's always a shit ton of pokestops and gyms around so it's enjoyable for me. Plus with the events and gen 2 Pokemon there's a bit more variety. I can understand why people got tired of it though.
[deleted] ยท 1170 points ยท Posted at 22:23:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elite Pedophile rings. Example, the Dutroux Affair.
[deleted] ยท 783 points ยท Posted at 00:27:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made a huge TIL post about this and it got 33K upvotes. A retired police officer found Cyril Smith, British MP with 144 accusations of child molestation and abuse, in a home with a sex offender and two drunk teenage boys. He was threatened to be prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act. Nothing happened. Moreover, there were TONS of other instance of child abuse that happened in the late 70s/all of 80s in Elms House in London because Smith was part of a MASSIVE paedophilic network that consisted of MPs and government ministers. Everything they did was covered up and every officer which tried investigating was threatened with the Official Secrets Act. They were even tied to the murder of an Indian boy in the 80s who was completely mutilated. Almost all of the investigation files regarding Cyrll Smith were destroyed by the Metropolitan Police.
In a fact, a dossier of all the members in parliament and top bankers and government offificals was drafted by a conservative MP (Geoffrey Dickens), which was later "lost". Margaret Thatcher later explicitly prevented one of these politicians (Peter Hayman, a top level British diplomat) in this suspected ring from being investigated (even though a 33 page document by the Director of Public Prosecutions showed he had paedophilic material).
When David Cameron back in 2014 paneled a board to investigate it, the* first two heads of the board were fired* (they officially "resigned"), and then the third one was rehired because they had to disband the panel to make another one. Insane.
This ring didn't just die in the 80s in Britain. It still exists today.
sielias ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 03:32:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the actual fuck, I've never heard about this. Ever. Can you link to the thread?
meonaredcouch ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:03:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6hl6kg/til_in_1988_a_retired_police_officer_found_cyril/?st=J6EHRHA5&sh=53ded28a
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
here you go
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 10:42:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did some research
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wanless-report-into-westminster-pedophile-ring-says-key-files-were-destroyed-this-century-9853662.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/how-thatchers-government-covered-up-a-vip-pedophile-ring
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wanless-report-into-westminster-pedophile-ring-says-key-files-were-destroyed-this-century-9853662.html
https://www.rt.com/uk/170784-missing-files-westminster-pedophile/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/scotland-yard-investigating-allegations-senior-politicians-abused-children-in-the-1980s-and-used-8411989.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-27047442
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier
marilyn_morose ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:10:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How come you got 33K karma on that post but your karma is only in the thousands? Shouldn't it be at least 33K?
HadHerses ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:32:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think when one your comments or post start to reach a high number of upvotes, you need more upvotes for 1 karma.
It isn't 1 upvote = 1 karma when you get to the upper echelons of posting!
TheIncredibleHork ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 05:07:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like taxed income. The more you make, the less of it you actually get to keep.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:43:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolish reddit!!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:49:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No clue, it's kinda annoying.
2gig ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:29:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're sitting at ~175% the karma of the person you're replying to, and only the second comment in the chain, yet I had to click the "load more comments" thing. Is Reddit in on the conspiracy?
OnlyRefutations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyril Smith was almost certainly an evil man. It does look like Edward Heath is going to be vindicated since it was revealed that the main witnesses are likely to have colluded or just been plain deluded.
I would not be surprised if the Smith crime ring didn't include and expand beyond known offenders like Saville. The beeb and the gov. were very close.
whiskeyalpha7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:13:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the US, Rep Barney Frank threatened to name names, when he was under investigation for living with a sex offender, and moving next to a school yard. It was quickly dropped.
Superdad75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit like this happens across the pond, but The Franklin Credit Union Scandal is just a load of crap made up by a few "nutty teens" here in the U.S.
SirSticky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:48 on August 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm nervous to think who is involved now. I have friends who have worked on upgrading the court system and police records servers and they've all been told explicitly that all records regarding politicians and celebrities are to be left completely alone. Even though they're supposed to be making copies and trasferring all data across to the new host location.
I get that some people are crazy or spread rumours of sordid pasts, but when there are massive amounts of data being gated off from court ordered movement it gets worrying.
toth42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My personal doubts are from parts like this. Most people aren't pedophile, so why would most government/celebrities/rich guys be? And how do they find eachother without huge risk of getting blown?
A_Game_of_Scones ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:28:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They want to get blown that's the point
Nig_Bipples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am reminded of this in relation to the pedo ring stuff. Chilling.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 07:11:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and you can come on the internet and claim this based on...?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:43:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did my research.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of those support your statement that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:11 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah cuz a paedophilic ring consisting of members from the highest echelon of the UK government just stopped existing 10 years ago and politicians just stopped raping kids and molesting them :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is zero evidence for a paedophile ring in the government ever - full stop. The only evidence we have is that individuals were possibly protected in the 80s or before that. The values at the time put the establishment before everything, that hasnt' been the culture since the mid 90s.
The investigations into Dolphin Square were based off one witness and they went no-where.
The 80s were more like 30 years ago, the sources you cite themselves say that a cover-up is "unlikely" but I'm glad you admit that you have zero sources for there having been a ring then or now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wikipedia search peter hayman and margaret thatcher.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Hayman is one of the people I was referring to when I said we know for sure there were individuals. There isn't evidence of a ring.
omg__really ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 03:44:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fell down this rabbit hole some years back. Interviews, mini documentaries, records, everything I could find I read. I was horrified by how much was connected, how high this went, and how it was so much worse than anything I ever could have imagined. I came out of that feeling legitimately changed by what I'd learned. I have no confidence that these rings will ever be shut down. Ever. So many of the victims aren't even missed: they were literally bred for this.
HadHerses ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 04:30:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok that's the most terrifying thing i've read on the internet for a while. I've never even thought that could possibly happen.
omg__really ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:56:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither did I. Reading about the accounts, some with partially censored photographs, interviews, multiple witnesses/victims corroborating the reports... it sounded like some sort of sick plot to a bad horror film. I can't even speak it. If or when the topic comes up (some elite ring "dismantled" news, or more recently Trump's aborted rape trial) my partner and I refer to the whole thing as "the rabbit hole" so we don't have to say the words aloud. Because simply calling it "pedophile rings" comes so far short, it feels like an insult.
JacP123 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 09:08:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's less of a "ring" and more of an "underground underage sex slavery and human trafficking market serving those at the highest echelons of the British Government and the UK and US elite."
haloraptor ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:30:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is definitely a global problem, we shouldn't ignore the uncomfortable facts about human nature. If this is happening somewhere, it's probably happening in some form everywhere (more or less). In some places it isn't even underground. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Rabbit hole also works bc of the Lewis Carrol Reference. Im gonna start using that. EDIT: Dude was a pedo. Look it up. British + pedo makes this a perfect reference.
hitchensamis ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:02:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Psychic vampyres
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 03:58:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's absolutely terrifying. Reading about it, it gets into drugs and international schemes and collusions between all these major players from cartels and mafias to the government (like the Saudi Royal family) to private actors (powerful bankers, lawyers, billionaires, politicians), etc. Some readings weave other conspiracy theories into it: secret groups like the Bilderberg group, things about mind control (DID) and satanic rituals, the Church etc. It's wild as hell. I had a baaad nightmare after reading about the Dutroux Affair.
I guess all we regular folks can do is remain faithful to love and humanity. Sounds cliche but it's true. :(
omg__really ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:02:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The few survivors whose accounts are recorded all seem to suffer from serious PTSD and DID (obviously, of course), and all talk about behavior in their abusers that suggests this was deliberately groomed. "Mind control" sounds too tin foil hat... but the reality is that by doing so the captors/abusers ensure that the victims are more easily controlled, and that their testimony - should they ever offer it - would be questioned or even dismissed. A combination of grooming addictions and severe mental illness starting from a very young age is an ideal way to ensure they're protected against survivors speaking out. It's so fucking sick.
girlweibo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:17 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not all 'we regular folks' can do.
There is so much more we can do about this. It may take time, and we will spend a lot of days just crying about the carnage, feeling like it's going nowhere.
But there is a lot that we can do. If anything, history proof of our ability to fight for good too.
Shadypenguinman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:53:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
could you tell me/post some of your sources? I would like to go down this rabbit hole.
crustmonk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:41:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cm0t3/original_research_the_mountain_of_evidence_for_a/
Start here
omg__really ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was years ago so I don't recall much of the actual links, I just know that I started at an absolutely massive page called "Beyond the Dutroux affair" article and the "X dossiers" and went from there. Originally I was just trying to find additional sources because it sounded so unreal I couldn't believe it. From there led to a lot of wiki pages, interviews and articles about those connected with the Dutroux shit, several rough cut documentaries (or footage, maybe is more accurate) of interviews with several of the survivors, "What happened to Johnny Gosch", etc. It just gets bigger and bigger.
skinwalkerstalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok So I need help. A friend of my husband has been taking his 2 young daughters to auditions for Disney, I really want to give them this information before anything happens to those girls. What links or documentaries? Can you or anyone reading this help me with?.
omg__really ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone above linked the documentary "An Open Secret" which I believe is currently the top of /r/documentaries. That one is specifically about the rampant sexual abuse in Hollywood.
skinwalkerstalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
gsfgf ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:46:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't understand is the why. (Besides the moral horribleness of course) If guys have enough power to fuck whatever they want, why would they choose a child instead of a 20 something that's going to be way hotter and better in the sack.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:18:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect that pedophilia becomes attractive to powerful men because it becomes symbolic of their untouchable status, and hence gratifies their narcissism (which is usually what drives them to struggle for power in the first place).
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:31:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because they view children as vulnerable and can exert dominance over them with little consequence. Their suffering gives the rapists pleasure. It's deeply disturbing when you hear about 'secret' Disney clubs and the like.
SipofCherryCola ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:17:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Secret Disney clubs? I'm afraid to ask, but feel like I need to know...
Wrabbet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's this whole danged thread.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:11 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Club 33
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:17:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I read about this matter... Could be loyalty. I've read up on gangs and other criminal groups that it's common to get new recruits et al to do something horrific (with evidence) in case any of them bail last minute or betray them. If everyone's implicated there's assurance of loyalty? Since there's probably too much at stake. Some balance or power thing.
Or it's meant to be symbolic. What's a symbol of pure innocence and helplessness? Children. Utter evil is thus inflicting pain on this. There's no coming back from it. A grown, powerful individual targeting children is a juxtaposition of power... Have you seen the videos of the protests following the Dutroux affair? It was incredible. People are protective over children. Even in jail, pedophiles and child killers are often segregated from the other prisoners for their safety. Also, if money's involved who knows what's possible.
I also read that a lot of these powerful figures involved might have been groomed as well, when they were younger. It's a cycle of abuse.
Have you guys heard of Lydia Cacho, a Mexican journalist who exposed a bunch of powerful local figures involved in a pedo ring? She even found out that Chinese, Albanian, Italian etc. mafias are implicated.
Overall I think it has to do with power/wealth.
dorfcally ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:57:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not about them feeling good, it's about making the other person feel like shit. it's psychopathy
boogiemanspud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good way to put it.
I've always heard that people in top positions of power were often sociopaths or psychopaths. This makes sense because the average person has no desire to be the most powerful, and their moral compass will not allow them to harm others for personal gain.
There's a book "the dictator's handbook: why bad behavior is almost always good politics". It's damn interesting and deals with a lot of these type issues. How common people are controlled easily be exploiting their moral compass, etc. Another interesting book is the 48 laws of power. It really gives you an insight into the mindset of powerful people.
arnoldlol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:51:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kids that disappear can't spill the beans.
supraman2turbo ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 03:17:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are tired of banging chicks, switch to Trannies, and after that bang some dudes, after that get into some weird shit but for the love of christ leave the kids alone
dapper_deuce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:42:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen!
Jwagner0850 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:11:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the push to censor the internet is actually a push to censor the internet from US to further find out about things like this and how they still exist and exists with them.
Dark_Vengence ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:32:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah people in power rule the world with an iron fist and get away with everything. The world is messed up.
angelesinthe918 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:17:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I completely believe this is true, I just can't understand why. If you have so much power and money to do anything you want, why CHILDREN?
Ugh.
TacticalHog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:24 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophilia is a mental disorder man, it's just kinda hardwired in there
HillelSlovak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:09 on September 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know paedophilia is a mental disorder but I'm not 100% convinced this is paedophilia in that way. Especially as they are often teenage boys. It seems like it could be a display of power and a search for "purity" and youthfulness. When a lot of people around you are doing it too, within a kind of club, it can become normalised. In the same way that hundreds of years ago (and still today) wealthy men fucked young girls and despite it still being foul it wasn't done so out of paedophilia.
TacticalHog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:34 on September 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah makes sense, thanks for clarifying
apoletta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:21:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scary as fuck.
Blue-Phone-Box ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:27 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the Franklin Cover-Up
boogiemanspud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even like thinking about the subject, but I'm sure it's true. The richer or more powerful people get, the more "exotic" their thrill seeking gets. They get excitement from holding power over others and all kinds of disturbing sexual things.
Now, if there was a pedophile ring, that's a huge risk. I would assume it's going to take big money to hide the fact, and negate risks. Who can afford to pay for such things and make the risk more worthwhile? The rich. Political connections would also be currency here.
I don't mean all rich, but there are some real sickos out there looking for novelty. The sickos that can afford to negate the consequences go on doing it for years. The sickos without much money are the ones who get caught since they can't negate the risks.
It's not just pedophiles. There are a lot of out of the ordinary (though legal) fetishes and sexual preferences that happen in the "upper" tiers that the common man has no idea about.
Personally, I think anyone who is an acting pedophile should just be put to death. I know that's a strong stance, but they've fucking destroyed someone's life who can't protect themselves.
KEKS_WILL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:55 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but apparently "reddit" thinks that such a thing is the most unbelievable thing that could possible ever happen. it's a "vast right wing conspiracy"
toth42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:04:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not shitting on your theory, but what would make "the elite" more prone to being pedophile than normal people? That part doesn't make sense to me, why should there be more "abuse clubs" in top of society than the bottom?
tanjoodo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:52:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is as prone of being a pedophile. But elites are the ones capable of acting upon it.
toth42 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:28:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, this is just pure bullshit. If that's your thinking based on your own attractions, I would suggest seeking help before something regrettable happens.
Being pedophile is an unfortunate sexual orientation, biologically no different from homosexuality or heterosexuality, it's not a choice. Being a predator however, is a choice.
EDIT: I may have misunderstood you, and you meant that the chances of being born a pedophile has nothing to do with class/wealth. If so, scratch the above.
tanjoodo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:53:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lel I guess I didn't word it very well
KEKS_WILL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:41 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
blackmail
toth42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:09 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't explain why i high number of elites allegedly are pedophiles, when only a microscopic part of the general population are.
KEKS_WILL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:27 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got a source on those stats?
toth42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:44 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.. And these are all pedophiles, of which far from all are actual predators/abusers.
umatbru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the Marc Dutroux Paedophile ring Wikipedia article and Dutroux said in court he was part of a Europe-wide Paedophile ring. How can he mention in front of a court that he was part of Paedophile ring and yet be ignored?
StressedForlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on October 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes yes yes
quoth_tthe_raven ยท 512 points ยท Posted at 01:32:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marilyn Monroe was taken out by the government. I believe this to be true because of the medical examiners report and other evidence presented on the book Dead Wrong. I already felt this way, due to her relations with the Kennedys. She may have known too much and it was at the height of McCarthyism. Her ex-husband Arthur Miller was blacklisted but the two were still close. Perhaps they were afraid she was sharing secrets between the White House and a prominent communist. Anyways, the book confirmed the suspicious circumstances surrounding her death and I'm sticking with my conspiracy theory.
ihatestupidity2 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 04:48:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marily had threatened to tell some things she heard from "pillow talk" from JFK
Scout6feetup ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:20:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't an ex CIA operative admit to killing her on his death bed a few years ago?
Super late edit that probably no one will see but my conscience compels me: I actually googled later...this never happened.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:19:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Not sure if I believe it or not.
Eos42 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:26:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World News Daily Report is satire so I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no
KravMaga16 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:19:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was married to Joe DiMaggio (one of the greatest baseball players ever) at one point. He once recorded a hit in 57 straight games, which may never be broken. Anyway, due to his celebrity status, he'd make appearances all over the country. He refused to ever set foot near anything named after the Kennedy's or owned by them. "They murdered the person I love", he said.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/world/joe-dimaggio-died-convinced-jfk-had-monroe-killed-1-545640
The link above has some other good information as well.
Regalingual ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 07:27:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another theory I've heard is that her death was an accidental overdose. As the theory goes, her psychiatrist and doctor each gave her a dose of sedative without knowing what the other had done, and the combined dosage was fatal; when one (or both) figured it out, they hastily made it look like she committed suicide to save their own skins.
Marthman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a principle that goes, do not attribute to malice what could as easily be attributed to incompetence?
YourPoliticsSuckFam ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:14:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and the malicious hide behind it gleefully.
Rorynne ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 02:01:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I legitimately read Marilyn Manson at first and I was heavily confused
quoth_tthe_raven ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 02:53:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't know Marilyn Manson fucked JFK?
SemenDemon182 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:36:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't think it could be this easy to mix up Marylin Monson and Marilyn Manroe.
Rorynne ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:32:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think the stranger this is i took "Marilyn Manson was taken out by the government." as a sensical statement and the confusion only started at "due to her relations with the Kennedys."
beestingers ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:30:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dorothy Kilgallen was a friend of Marilyn and JFK as well as an investigative reporter. The day before she died she said she was going to blow the lid off of the Kennedy assassination. She, like Marilyn, died from a barbiturate overdose.
post-posthuman ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 10:23:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the US government had started killing women for having an affair with Kennedy they wouldn't have had funds or manpower for anything else
jrm2007 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:52:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, the guy who did the autopsy is still alive. Everyone one else who ever knew her well is gone, I think and many would be well over 100. But Noguchi, the retired pathologist is still with us. How strange to be connected to an event almost 60 years ago.
Beachy5313 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:37:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK's father set the whole thing up. She knew too much on the Kennedy family and he was willing to do anything to keep their name on the up and up. He had his daughter lobotomized without her or his wife's permission all because she wasn't as smart and accomplished as her siblings (she kept a diary and was social, but did have mood swings, most likely because her father treated her poorly because she didn't achieve much. After the lobotomy, she was institutionalized, incontinent, barely verbal, and would just stare at the walls for hours).
He was a piece of shit, his sons were pieces of shit, some of his grandkids are pieces of shit as well.
Pure_Golden ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:07:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a video on the internet somewhere, and it was an interview (it seemed), Marilyn was speaking and I can't remember the exact words but it went along the lines "I know too much. The white house hates me. They want to kill me." That's when I got convinced.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:48:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just say things like that and not have a link :(
Pure_Golden ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:51:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been scouring the internet for the clip past few hours, alas I gave up. It's as if the clip don't exist. It's gone...
But I will keep trying, hopefully it turns up
rshacklef0rd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:16:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was Jackie.
Beachy5313 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:42:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She knew all about his cheating and she was from a certain tier of society where men philandering about with women throughout their marriage is common and the wife just ignores it. As long as he came back to her, that was enough for her. I don't think she did anything to Marilyn, and she didn't do anything to his other women. The more likely culprit is JFK's father setting up the murder.
Nyf1nest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John Lennon was also taken out by the government
Irishjuggalette ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read stuff about this too. How they think she was beaten before she died because she was covered head to toe in bruises. I've always believed she was murdered because of the stuff she knew.
Arya_kidding_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah- it was the mob. They injected the drug into her foot, blackmailed the maid into covering it up. JFK's dad had mob connections, and they helped get JFK elected. Then JFK didn't fulfill some promises, and the mob took out his girlfriend as a warning.
Scarface_gv ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 06:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC she was fucking both Castro and Kennedy and McNamara too..
She was an extremely sensual and intelligent woman with an unnatural thirst for power and psychopaths.. but she never really thought it through nor make preparations to safeguard her life.
A pity, to be honest.
Hawkov ยท 2493 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Denver International Airport is a hub for the Illuminati, have you seen it ?
Genuine55 ยท 1441 points ยท Posted at 16:25:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a hub for something creepy, that's for sure.
Drulock ยท 299 points ยท Posted at 23:55:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That damn horse sculpture outside. Freaks me out every time
Unchartedesigns ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 02:01:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sculptor died making it when a portion of it "fell" on him..
grensley ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 04:56:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has tasted human blood.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:10 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blucifer don't fuck around.
Ihatemyselfie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:52:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe itโs called the Blue Lucifer? Anyways, you could think of that as a sacrifice. Thereโs also a statue of the Egyptian god of the dead Anubis who has strong ties in the occult. Why would they have that there? I could understand a mummy or even the goddess Isis, but Anubis?
KonigSteve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:34:04 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blucifer.
landofstrife ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:54:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And his son had to complete the project. The horses name around these parts is Old Meth.
ChrisTheCoolBean ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 10:37:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only did that, but multiple construction companies were hired to do different sections of the entire airport, and were fired before they were finished, only for other new ones to come in and repeat.
Because of that, none of the construction people involved know the exact blueprints of whatever it is they helped build.
Ihatemyselfie ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 10:53:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck that
automillie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:20:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like some labyrinth bullshit there. No escape from a maze that doesn't even have a consistent design
RIPCountryMac ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:46:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any source for this? Because as someone in the construction business, this sounds BAU. A general contractor gets awarded the job, and then contracts the work out to sub-contractors.
cyberdungeonkilly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the same, should they also get reliable blueprints of previous work to be consistent with the complete work, and what about regulations and code?!
There wont be any source, it'll just be a I don't remember where I read it.
SipofCherryCola ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:24:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Holmes and his murder hotel.
saxBroFive ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:40:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Notice how the horse has no dong? Well it used to.
DoctorMumbles ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 01:59:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leave Blucifur alone!
vadapaav ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was called horsifer?
Aerosmith50 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:02:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always heard blucifer and I've grown up in Denver my whole life. Regardless the important part is the Satan reference.
alchemists_dream ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:25:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, it is blucifer. I've always lived in Denver as well.
killbawqs ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:33:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am Denver. Is Blucifer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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umbrajoke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:43:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any better than new meth?
LadySlySilver ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:08:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit my dad lives in Denver and I just remembered I have to see that creepy ass horse the next time I fly out to see him. DIA is a very very odd place and the whole surrounding area just makes me uneasy.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:54:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Horse's veiny angry asshole is what scares me most.
ricobirch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:53:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All hail Blucifer!
skynet2175 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:23:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go Broncos :)
DylanTheVillian1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:28:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, fuck all those tunnels and shit like that. They're probably just a big bunker for nukes or some shit. I'm more curious about that Satan Horse.
KJdkaslknv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:59:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blucifer
Cant_stop-Wont_stop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:31:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dat butthole doe.
Pioness ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to look it up. Why is that statue so big? My megalophobia is not helping right now.
AirlinePeanuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also known as Blucifer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the first time I saw that thing I was very creeped out.
couchjitsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Elway always freaks me out.
[deleted] ยท 295 points ยท Posted at 18:52:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Peach_tree ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:57:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I said to paint 'sweeping horticultural flourishes,' not 'creepy multicultural purges!' Dammit, Jimmy!"
LeonardosClone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who told you guys to build underground tunnels?? Get up there and paint creepy shit!
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:41:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's creepy as hell and I was not even stoned (once)
rsvr79 ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 22:24:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, United Airlines.
I_EAT_GUSHERS ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:45:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Frontier Airlines.
ColorUserPro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:50:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, God. You know the pain too.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:26:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MCMasterYT ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:15:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm offended by this, but I can understand a lot of people using weed in this state.
Kingimg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:17:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
your offended by that? try living in florida..... people think im always say im high on bath salts and raping my lawnmower or some shit like that lol
octobertwins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. My husband had a job offer in Florida and my number one concern was that I didn't want my kids growing up there. Too risky. They'd become drug addicts for sure.
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its really not as bad as they say. my only complaint is the humidity. the town i live in was voted best town to live in by time magazine
Peach_tree ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:00:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? It's straight out of a Dan Brown novel. Robert Langdon would have to decode some poem with some equine metaphor (leading to the satanic horse outside, of course) to find out where the bunker is for the end of days.
loaferuk123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:33:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to head on over to r/WritingPrompts
NCC987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah all that lost luggage.
hablomuchoingles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So...perhaps United?
CA1900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United Airlines?
numberninemac ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 00:48:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... United Airlines
[deleted] ยท 484 points ยท Posted at 20:32:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something is wrong with that airport
abudhabikid ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:10:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something is right with that airport
Swiftfire1002 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:03:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something is that airport
coach0512 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:15:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From Denver, can confirm
Scarface_gv ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:20:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pictures please, we need pictures.. Videos would be SLICK too
StephenHorn ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:59:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pictures please
n0vag0d ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:38:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just look on google
Wyatt821 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:39:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can do that?
Shreddonia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:29:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now, the weather.
shleppenwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The runways form a swastika...
ASmallCactus ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 19:28:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blucifer is my home boy
hashslingingslasher5 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:42:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's my favorite part of flying. It's like an official start to leaving for vacation and returning home.
Ad_Astra_Aeterna ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:11:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that godforsaken horse so much. And I also love telling horror stories about it to people arriving in Colorado.
sicknick ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:25:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me a story papa
Penance1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The horse killed its creator
ricobirch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:58:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He keeps the flatlander s on their toes.
"Welcome to Denver, we're not going to take your shit."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:19:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Denver's still the flatlands. You can kinda see the Front Range from the airport though, when the smog isn't too bad.
Weatherstation ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:59:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the bus ride to the airport, "Vacation time! See you in a week, bro!"
On the bus ride back home after the trip: "Great seeing you again! Feels good to back."
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:42:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it has a huge veiny dick
TheDeltaLambda ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:16:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a horsey asshole
Sonozar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:05:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that took a strong turn
CastroCCasper ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:21:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never really thought much of Blucifer. Just seemed like a nod to the Denver Broncos to me. But some of those murals are weirddddddd af.
ASmallCactus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:31:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are SO weird!!! Like I can't blame conspiracy theorists for thinking something is up when there's a bunch of obscure and huge new world order murals in a random airport.
CastroCCasper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a terrible fear of flying and flying out of DIA never helps.
ASmallCactus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:47:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing I hate about DIA is that its way bigger than the airport i'm used to and that there's only 1 terminal that has a McDonalds lol, i've grown fond of the random anarchist-illuminati vibe
CastroCCasper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Valid concern.
Daghain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to pick my mom up from DIA next week; seeing Blucifer is always fun.
lengelmp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:19 on November 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any airport with a north, south, east and west runway will look like a swastika...
numberninemac ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 00:45:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or worse: itโs a hub for United Airlines.
LHOOQatme ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:10:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*screams* NOT THE UNITED!
DoctorBlueBox1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:33:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get ready for smack down!!
LHOOQatme ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:46:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*flight attendant procceeds to punch every passenger square in the face*
Metalworks13 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 23:05:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was there earlier today. I saw a mural of a bunch of happy children gathered around a dead soldier and immediately to the right of it one where the soldier is dragging people or something. It felt kind of Holocaust-y to me. Also a giant blue horse statue with red, glowing eyes. Another thing is that the airport itself looks weird from the outside.
AnimalFactsBot ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 23:06:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because horseโs eyes are on the side of their head they are capable of seeing nearly 360 degrees at one time.
hellnukes ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:42:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neat
Alexander_TheAmateur ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:37:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
AnimalFactsBot ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:08:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Tuba_cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:03 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
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gunsof ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 05:11:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The paintings are why I think there's something suspect. Airports are designed to make passengers feel subconsciously reassured and calm, you don't make them question their own mortality or apocalypses before boarding.
assuredswivet ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:36:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the murals are by baggage claim
gunsof ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:11:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them? I thought I heard some of them were in the general areas.
Mr_Zaroc ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:31:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its reverse psychology, showing you your mortality to make you happy you live so you connect the flight with the feeling of relief of being able to live safe
assuredswivet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:19:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General if you are picking someone up, but on your way onto a plane, no.
Source: lived in colorado all my life; avid traveler
tisdue ยท 715 points ยท Posted at 19:08:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, weird stuff. How it went way over budget by millions, but actually cut corners during construction. The overhead view of the runways resembles a swastika. Lots of construction deep underground without explanation. The long delays before it officially opened. While having an already perfectly functioning airport not far away.
[deleted] ยท 572 points ยท Posted at 19:40:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stapleton was not a perfectly functioning airport. The runway went over the interstate, a huge security risk nowadays. There was no room to grow, which was a huge deal at the time because they expected air traffic through Denver to explode due to NAFTA. Even now DIA is constantly adding warehouse space due to all the freight traffic coming through. Underground tunnels were built with expansion in mind and because DIA is on a tornado prone area. You walk through the airport and there are signs everywhere directing you to the nearest tornado shelter. Lastly there are a lot of airports with vaguely swastika shaped runways. If you want multiple runways coming from a central hub it's a logical design.
tisdue ยท 263 points ยท Posted at 19:43:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the murals inside are what fueled a lot of the conspiracy too.
jshah500 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 21:16:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't get about that though is, if you were trying to keep it a secret, why on earth would you hang up murals that make things so obviously shady?
simcowking ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:47:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you build a giant swastika? Pride man! Pride!
beegles81 ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 20:05:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bluecifer, however, is Satan in statue form.
fuckitimatwork ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 20:50:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whats to fear about this?
stupid_sexyflanders ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 23:01:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the artist die in a freak accident while making this statue?
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 00:37:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think it fell on him and severed his femoral artery or something.
fuckitimatwork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:52:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
everyone who's ever looked at this statue will die
Imafuckingmechanic ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 03:14:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should have gone with this angle
Ihrtbrrrtos ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:43:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are the eyes in the picture supposed to be following me? Heh neat trick (sweats nervously)
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:56:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And we're damn proud of him!
ADanishMan2 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:57:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALL HAIL
Adamskinater ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:12:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THUNDERHORSE
Skreech2011 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THUNDERHORSE
hectorabaya ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:55:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who say that clearly haven't seen any of Jimenez's other artwork. I'd take Bluecifer any day over those nightmarish dancers of his at UNM.
I do legitimately like Jimenez's work, but man, he could make some pretty ordinary subjects look fairly terrifying.
dfilton ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:51:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who now lives close to this airport, this has never NOT surprised/scared the shit out of any family that has come to visit. The story behind its sculptor's death was some final destination shit too.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:55:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, those are just the lack of oxygen up here making us all slightly insane. That's why we have a disproportionate number of mass shootings up here to.
tisdue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figures!
hectorabaya ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:51:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get why the one mural with the nazi-looking dude freaks people out, but I've flown into and out of that airport a ridiculous number of times and it kind of annoys me that people focus on that because the actual mural as a whole is really lovely. The actual piece is focused on hopefulness and a desire for peace. It's by Leo Tanguma, whose work is really focused on themes of peace and justice. He actually has two murals in DIA, and both feature one panel showing destruction and despair, and a second one showing people overcoming it and creating a better world. The mural that never gets mentioned is focused on environmental issues, though, which I guess isn't as creepy.
scrignutz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen a lot of Alex Jones types freak out just as much about the ecological mural. And to be fair, while I also like Leo Tanguma's work and consider him a kind of modern Diego Rivera, the murals are a little heavy for an airport, which is the kind of place where people tend to carry a lot of stress & apprehension, with mild fear of flying and the dislocation of travel chief among them. I think it's great stuff but more suited for a city plaza or something, and that the unease many people feel looking at the murals is because of the setting, and the fact that most people don't enjoy public art of any kind, and are exposed to these heavy murals only because they need to fly.
hotchrisbfries ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:38:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Denverโs Public Art Program was first established in 1988, directing 1% of any projects over $1 million to be set aside for the inclusion of artwork. The art program applies to new construction or improvements to a โbuilding or structure, road, streetscape, pedestrian mall or plaza or parkโ or any other project that includes โfinished space for human occupancyโ that will be โavailable for public view.โ
The Better Denver Bond Program has incorporated public art into qualifying construction projects that are part of the Bond Program. Each project has its own Selection Panel. The Selection Panel ranges anywhere from 7 to 15 participants, including community members, an artist, an arts professional, the project managers, design team and a City Council representative.
Art is incorporated in a variety of ways in the projects: as a standalone piece, an architectural feature of a building or facility, or incorporated into landscaping. Approximately 30 bond projects qualified for inclusion in the Public Art Program. In many cases art was envisioned to be integrated into the project structures or area grounds.
hectorabaya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, that may well be true. I don't pay that much attention to the DIA conspiracy theories. And that's a fair criticism of the placement of them. I personally really like them because they're a nice change from the typical bland airport art and I enjoy having something interesting to look at when I'm stressed and tired from travel, but I can get why it might be disconcerting to round a corner in the airport and suddenly see a panel depicting genocide.
scrignutz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like 'em too! Always wander around to see them, if I have time, when changing flights in Denver.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that killer horse statue
The_Man11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Denver Bronco?
sgee_123 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:49:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. The old airport was nowhere near a perfectly functioning airport. It was in an area that the city was pretty much forced to expand into if they wanted to expand at all. I live here now, and my aunt has lived here for 30 years. The airport being in that location didn't make any sense as the city grew larger.
bmarshallbri ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:32:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I went to middle school in the landing path of Stapleton where a few planes didn't quite make it. Long before my time, but the city had encroached around it. And it was falling apart towards the end and and the hotels were pretty shabby too. It was time to push it out away from the city.
But the over budget and cut corners part just sounds like a classic government construction project to me. The real conspiracy was the baggage system at DIA. That's where the secret tunnels lead to. They feed the baggage trolls in the basement never to be seen again.
gsfgf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:43:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do that in ATL with no issues.
lopsiness ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man the Nazi's used it, so you have to figure something else out.
monsto ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:47:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't pass the smell test in the slightest.
I'm betting MCI (Kansas City) is in a MUCH MORE tornado prone area than DIA, and there's no tornado shelters on site AFAIK.
nikedude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.outsideonline.com/1797851/tornado-hits-denver-airport
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's just stupid on their part.
[deleted] ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 19:19:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you have never seen public works construction in canada. build a new subway , go way over budget, cut every corner, and realize some massive disign flaw after it's done.
3 months latter tiles start to come of the floor at the newly renovated subway station.
EveryoneIsRacists ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:51:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't you just use the Montreal International Airport that sits abandoned. That shit was a disaster.
max148 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:10:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still used for cargo planes, but yeah, the whole commercial flights building is becoming a map from The Last of Us. There's even a fully built subway station under that never got connected to the network. What a waste.
AllezAllezAllezAllez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really shouldn't have been made so far out of the city. The 15 already has enough traffic and that's without almost every air passenger using it as well...
bundleogrundle ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:59:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big dig in Boston is another great example. EDIT: Just looked at the cost of the big dig compared to the Denver airport. Big dig was estimated to cost just under $3 billion. It cost almost $24 billon when it was all said and done. The Denver airport was estimated at under $4 bil and went over budget by $2 billion.
http://www.taxpayer.net/library/weekly-wastebasket/article/big-dig-billions-over-budget
ebpomtl ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:01:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Montreal Olympic Stadium is also a great example with cement truck coming in full... and leaving full, or just never arriving. In the meantime, up north a major castle is being built by the mafia...
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:55:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Montreal is a prime example of Canada public works. pay for it twice wait for it twice. recive half.
AllezAllezAllezAllez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reconstruction of McTavish/Sherbrooke was brutal. It shouldn't take all year to put in some new curbs and asphalt on Sherbrooke and then over a year to lay bricks on McTavish, especially after it was already just replaced (after another year of work) the year before. Literally half of my time at McGill, McTavish was not able to be walked on and took 25+ minutes to cross.
mference123 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:43:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every construction project ever.
Psudopod ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:31:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh, I love DIA conspiracy shit. I don't believe it, but I pretend to because it makes the world a little more magical.
They actually built a whole airport building, realized it was fundimentally not up to code, and instead of knocking it down, they buried it and built the current buildings on top. Or did they? Maybe it has secret corridors to go down there, and it was not dangerously under code, but perfectly suited to be mole person city?! Yeah but the primary theory is that it's a bunker for the wealthy to hide from Armageddon. Airport = easy, fast access at the drop of a
nukehat.Kanyes_PhD ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:59:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The budget thing is sketchy, but maybe someone was just laundering?
Also the runways is actually a common design because it allows multiple landings, from what I hear.
Artwork is definitely freaky though
Scampipants ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:20:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stapleton would have absolutely not continued to work as the airport.
upboatsnhoes ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:25:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Hitler is in there?
Hawkov ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:18:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, now not saying that is the Illuminati but something is weird there
IAlsoLikePlutonium ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:34:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the automatic luggage transportation/sorting system cause a lot of delays because they just could not manage to get it to work properly?
tisdue ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:20:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They blamed "feng shui" for a lot of weird stuff. To be honest, I don't think the conspiracy is factual. I just find it interesting.
orangestegosaurus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:54:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the tunnels that everyone talks about is filled with huge tracks of conveyor belts that can't be used because they never got the baggage system working. It's really a shame.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:19:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It kinda makes sense for your runways to be swastika-like, doesn't it?
nate800 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:36:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The swastika can be explained away easily. It's an efficient shape which allows multiple runways for varying winds.
dont_worry_im_here ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:35:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And being a fucking hour from Denver. Damn, was there a few weeks ago for work. I always just grab a taxi when I land on trips. Taxi was almost a $100.
cjothomp ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:11:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take the A line train next time. $9, leaves every 10 minutes.
dont_worry_im_here ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was told when I finally got into town. Definitely using that next time I go there.
muffinscruff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took it last time, and remember thinking "damn, I'm glad I didn't have to get a cab" as you watch the urban sprawl fly by you for an hour
dont_worry_im_here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, if it was an actual hour cab ride through the mountains with pretty landscape then maybe it would've been neat but it was such a boring drive.
Lilbrother_21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how many corners they cut but they are going to redesign the whole airport soon
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea man let's make a the runways look like swastikas for... some reason....?
PM_ME_YOUR_PHOBIAS ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 20:22:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just looked it up, what the fuck is with the art
flimflammedbyzimzam ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:56:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can some give me AN ELI5 about this
leakproofhorse ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 02:16:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The airport went $2,000,000,000 over budget, opened 16 months after it was supposed to, has weird paintings in it, has a stone dedicating it to the free masons, has multi level buildings and a series of tunnels underneath the airport, from above it looks like a swastika and has a creepy blue horse with red eyes that is supposedly cursed on the outside nicknamed blucifer
People think it's either
a) bunker for the elite in case of apocalypse event
b) a concentration camp or a new Guantanamo bay
Or c) absolutely nothing because why would the new world order leave clues in plain site for like some kind of national treasure.
flimflammedbyzimzam ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:20:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I've never gotten about these conspiracy theories. If the illuminati or whoever was so smart, why would they leave so many clues?
leakproofhorse ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:30:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here man. I think it's a case of people seeing what they want to see.
DoctorBlueBox1 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:31:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, to mock us? They're cocky? They are smart people with austism? (Like Syndrome from the Incredibles... which is another conspiracy theory :P)
muffinscruff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the point of the theory is that the cleverer humans get to survive while the peons and sheep fall by the wayside
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:23:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Corrupt and bad construction. Artists and paintings tend to be weird. Free Masons built the damn thing. Multi-level buildings aren't weird. Tunnels are for baggage. Colorado tends to be into horses.
At most it's a giant bunker for the political and economic elite.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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atrosie ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:02:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been under the impression that if something happened to DC, the US would move the capital here. Like you said, we already have a National Arsenal nearby, plus the Air Force Academy and Cheyenne Mountain. The airport was built to handle the influx of government employees and VIPs.
I remember being in Girl Scouts in elementary school, and getting a tour of DIA a few months before it opened. My troop leader's father was one of the computer engineers and was able to set everything up. Got to see the baggage area and that system, as well as the giant main room, and a ride on the train (still my favorite part). I'm convinced the train ran faster then opposed to how it runs now, but that could just be a childhood bias. I don't remember anything about the art though, and obviously Blucifer wasn't there yet.
But my point is, you wouldn't let a bunch of excited, hyper little girls in to wander around if you have something to hide. We're pretty damn sneaky at that age.
So the conspiracy theory is a no for me, but the thought that Denver would be the new capital makes sense. Of course, I obviously grew up here, so I may be a little biased. Plus we have weed, so ...
JMW1237 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:52:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should date
proletarium ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:21:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao what the fuck
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the thirst is real. i posted a picture of me and my girl cousin on r/tall because we are both tall af and i had like 3 people ask me if she was single. you are some random person on the internet. No i will not give you her number or send you more pics. you are literally just a name on a screen to her. It doesn't help when your screename is like pigfucker911 or something like that lol
JMW1237 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm shocked anyone took that seriously but okay lol
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its hard to say anything on reddit without people thinking your serious sorry man have an upvote
JMW1237 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should date
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
20 bucks ill do anything
atrosie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm yeah no. Stranger Danger and all that.
zzyul ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:12:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes more sense for it to be a bunker for the federal gov't in a time of nuclear war or other massive disaster. It's far away from the coasts so hard for foreign troops and aerial attacks to get there. The mountains provide a buffer to nuke strikes that aren't direct hits. Not close to any major fault lines, volcanos, tornado alley, hurricane range or flood planes. You need to be able to get a lot of people there from a lot of places and flying them in is the fastest way. Airports are already loaded with security so it would be easy to clear out non essential people if the move was being kept secret
mrdenver ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:38:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well actually, I have done surveying out at DIA and the airport is built on top of two Titan missle silo that never went into service. There are some well known Titan silos in colorado but this one was never operational, basically not well known. So perfect place to hide something.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T76CcAfHQos
Kingimg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:40:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow if you are telling the truth thats pretty interesting. not calling you a liar but you know how reddit is
TheJimPeror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the deer Creek silo? It's not too far away from where I live, and certainly something to check out
mrdenver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think so
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 21:16:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jnhummel ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 23:38:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's that old quote, "don't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by really, really poor taste in airport decor"?
Tofinochris ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:54:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many airports have NICE decor? I mean, aside from Vancouver.
cjothomp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's everywhere in Denver. The law is for every building it job that takes x amount of money 1% of that must go to art for that job. There is a lovely new firehouse with a really beautiful stained glass window because of this law.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Tofinochris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and there's that big dramatic waterfall thing as you're going down towards customs. It's pretty swank.
Brewchacki ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:45:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that it's by far the smoothest running airport I've encountered in the US. Security is fast, it's easy to navigate, and the tram system borders on magic. Something fishy is going on there.
Touch_My_Nips ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:59:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the little song the tram plays when it takes off and departs a station...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:21:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is dedicated to the New world Airport Commission. That isn't a thing. I believe the queen of England owns some of the land it's built on. The land it occupies is huuuuuge and pretty much in the middle of nowhere, relative to Denver. The tunnels are real, I have pilot patients who've been down there. It's also just way more fun to think the conspiracies on this one are real.
My website has my office dedicated to the New World Dental Commission. So far no one has noticed. Or have they?
pt19099 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's what someone would say if they wanted to cover something up.. /s
jibbyjam1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:56:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who made Blucifer also made probably the most hideous statue I've ever seen at my university. It's called Fiesa Jarabe and it's an eyesore.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:11:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lysiffer ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:18:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have lived both places. Portland is by far weirder. So many crazy hippies.
lostmonkey70 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:52:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can't be a hub for the Illuminati. It has War Horse outside and they would never dare come near him. For when War Horse is near, so is a swift death.
elevation55 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:38:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This! Came here to say this one. One, because it is creepy as hell. Two, because I know a decent amount of people who were contractors or other construction workers building it - and not a single one will talk about it.
eharper9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some knights of the round table type shit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they had an art competition about expressing political opinions, war, poverty etc and that's where all the devil shit came from, and people getting attacked.
If there is something they don't want us to know, we wouldn't know, or have any suspicion whatsoever.
wil1i5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's a doomsday bunker cover up.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:08:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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nikkisixx2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:23:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Local news said it was $1.8 billion and was going to be from the airport revanue, not taxpayer money.
IanGecko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said before in a similar thread, I work at DIA and see the Illuminati and the Lizard People all the time. Nice folks.
cobalt_phantom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/8LUlT3RPB4I
firefae83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know anything about the airport, but their greyhound station is completely filthy and disgusting, every time I've been there. The restrooms are just scary.
coraregina ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:45:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avoid the Greyhound station if at all possible. If you must pass by it, do so at a brisk walk. Do not dally, do not run. Do not make eye contact with anyone (or anything). Try not to breathe if possible. Do not enter it under any circumstances.
Honestly the airport is lovely and clean and incredibly smooth and efficient and Blucifer watches over us all, but the Greyhound station is probably an actual portal to Hell. I'd go out of my way to take other streets to avoid it.
mrdenver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well actually, I have done surveying out at DIA and the airport is built on top of two Titan missle silo that never went into service. There are some well known Titan silos in colorado but this one was never operational, basically not well known. So perfect place to hide something.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T76CcAfHQos
Eder_Cheddar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For anyone wondering:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Denver+International+Airport&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiI3dDHidvVAhVBsVQKHYzkAg4Q_AUIDCgD&biw=1280&bih=678
Starkville ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That whole place freaked me out and I had never heard of the conspiracy theories. I could not WAIT to get away from that fuckery. It was visceral.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:20:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, it took me ten minutes of reading the conspiracies on this airport to shoot about 15 holes in it's reasoning. Haven't been there myself to give an opinion on what it feels like to be inside, but this conspiracy is weak at best.
coraregina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It feels vaguely unsettling, but only because it's efficient and as pleasant as an airport gets and that's so out of the ordinary that you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
There's a huge sculpture installation of charming paper airplanes, ffs, and a giant blue demon horse outside to protect all who pass. It's as nice as an airport can be.
Math_Blaster_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are currently ramming through a huge construction bill to rework the center of it... Probably to add to the bunker complex!
Doctor_Rainbow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's another thing, it's ALWAYS being worked on, even more than regular airport maintenance. My cousin and I have been there more than 20 times and there's always been some kind of renovation to the terminals.
I've heard stories of people seeing lots of planes land at terminals that are being renovated, but I'm not sure I believe those.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IanGecko ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copied from /u/leakproofhorse:
bayareabear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For someone who has never been there, why?
lesserlife7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's shaped like a swastika
TryinToBeHappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about it ties it to the Illuminati?
GoodOlSpence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
#devilhorse #veinyanus
ithinkoutloudtoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a secret underground bunker beneath that airport in Denver. This has been known for years.
AugustNVB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I Googled that shit and YUP.
sugartown_lol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there something wrong with that airport?
rshacklef0rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesse Ventura did an episode about that on his conspiracy theory show - it was a bunker for special people. Miss that show.
Llim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a nice airport though. They had a Chick Fil A at my terminal
kingsingh415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What, you don't like murals of soldiers wearing gas masks and killing children in your airport?
Spartacus018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks funny, but seems to have a good layout for an airport! Toronto Pearson is terrible!
thedetox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The boyscout / Nazi painting as you head towards baggage claim bothers me. Also the place is huge and underground access is everywhere.
WAR_TROPHIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just googled it. Who commissioned those fucked up disturbing murals?
Unrealparagon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the property the airport owns much larger than the actual airport itself?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's fuckin massive
weiers08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super far away from Denver, literal tonnes of concrete not on the record, murals of post apocalyptic warfare, giant demon horse out front. Yeah, it's super nefarious.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:39:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend haaaates flying into Denver. It gives her the heebie-jeebies.
WhyNoLoveForManix2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:18:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about the horse statue....
TetrisandRubiks ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 23:19:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also an international airport slap bang in the middle of the fucking continent? Its further away from other countries than any where else.
I_EAT_GUSHERS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:48:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's also international hubs in Minneapolis, SLC, Chicago, Phoenix, and Dallas.
IanGecko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:34:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And TWA had a hub at Kansas City; its airport code MCI comes from the old name, Mid-Continent International.
cogginsmatt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:51:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wondered where that came from. I live in KC and it forced me to have to remember the airport code because it's so different.
IanGecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some airport codes (ORD, TYS, CVG, GEG) only make sense if you were there when they opened because they're named after the original names of the airports/airfields.
WelcomeToTheHiccups ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:40:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ and the dumbest comment award goes to you sir.
DiscoTut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hence the need for an airport, where planes can take people over long distances to visit countries that are far away.....
AudioDope562 ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal finance is not taught to high school students, only sometimes as an elective.
Large companies depend on excessive consumer spending.
fluffles724 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's required in the state of Oklahoma to graduate. The one half decent thing about the education system here :/
boogiemanspud ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:29:28 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, this is gonna sound bad, but I was utterly disappointed with OK school system. My nephew had been schooled in iowa and moved to OK in 10th grade. He was about a C average student here, really struggled in math, to the point of needing tutors. In OK, he said at 10th grade there, it was about like 7th grade in IA. He was acing everything and people looked at him like a math genius.
It was pretty insane. He knew common knowledge and other kids and his friends there were always asking "How'd you know that?"
He played football down there, which seemed like a thing that had in exorbitant amount of time and resources devoted to it. They would basically stop school work at noon and practice the rest of the day. They had a good team, but damn they spent a lot of time and money on the whole thing.
Totally different culture on tobacco things too. In IA, if you were caught chewing/dipping you'd get into trouble. Anywhere from detention to suspension. Sure, once in a great while, you'd get a teacher who looked the other way. I'd say maybe 2/10 kids chewed in IA and this is in a rural area. In OK, it was like 7/10 kids chewed and the teachers could give a fuck less. Their coach said he knew they chewed and "didn't give a fuck", but they better spit in a trash can or bottle. They had no problem with kids chewing, just didn't want them spitting or throwing spent dip on the ground. Most teachers were like this, with a few not wanting kids doing it in their class.
Smoking was more common (I understand the south has a tobacco heritage) too.
The other thing was weed. Fuck, those kids all smoked the shit out of weed. I'd say 3x more kids smoked it there.
Anyone I ran into down there were really nice people, kids included. I'd say kids there were several times more respectful. The other thing, there was technology obviously, but the whole feel of OK, felt like IA did 20-30 years ago. People played cards, had cookouts, actually talked, etc. More small stores, less chains, etc.
fluffles724 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:52 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes our education system is awful. One of the lowest ranked in the nation. In OKC there's not a widespread dipping phenomenon. A lot of people think it's pretty nasty as far as I know. Lots of weed smokers though. Tons of money is invested into the football team at my high school when it's much better invested into our arts programs. Could be anyway. The football team at my school is awful anyways. Won 1 game last season. Where as our basketball team went to state. Our orchestra has some of the top bassists and overall players in the state. The top 2 bassists in this state came from this high school. It's sad really. But that aside, yeah I like to think people are generally friendly here. :)
fuckvyron ยท 799 points ยท Posted at 02:05:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Khloe Kardashian's actual father is OJ Simpson and nothing is going to convince me otherwise.
TurdSandwich252 ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 04:14:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She looks a lot like kris jenners old hair stylist
AuntieCousin ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 06:07:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alex Roldan
timbler14 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 13:59:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind. Blown. This is definitely it!
AuntieCousin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:36:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't crazy?! Once you see their photos side by side, it's difficult to deny the similarities.
qzcorral ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:49:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omfg yep.
AuntieCousin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:37:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have the same nose. HAD the same nose, until she had a plastic surgeon take care of that.
angel-acid ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:51:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Alex Roldan is Khloes father. They look exactly alike.
Batmans_HockeyPads ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:22:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have anything to back this up with? Not calling you out, I'm just genuinely curious.
fuckvyron ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 04:45:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well no, not really, even Kris Jenner publicly said once that he was not Khloes father but you know... Kim also said once that she never had plastic surgery before... OJ used to be a family friend of the Kardashians, his other daughter looks way more like Khloe than her actual siblings do.
Dark_Vengence ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:38:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kris did say she had an affair with him around the time khloe was conceived.
tortugastation ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 05:27:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Image search: Sydney Simpson Khloe Kardashian. Kris was totally banging her best friend's husband.
BurntBaconNCheese ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:02:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She actually asked him for a paternity test and he refused
miserableandboujee ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 04:12:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at childhood pics of the kardashian sisters. Kim and Kourtney, both gorgeous and have extremely similar features, noticeably Armenian. Khloe looks like a chubby little white girl.
dec0ded13 ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 06:13:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but.... oj is black?
Rick_Griiiiimes ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 06:15:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but how can you be sure?
dec0ded13 ยท 188 points ยท Posted at 06:42:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because orange juice is orange.... and orange is the new black?
Stevied1991 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 06:51:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solid logic.
FlexualHealing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Concentrated Pulp Free Logic
Nobodygrotesque ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:08:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BEST LOGIC I HAVE SEEN EVER!!!
reesejenks520 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:36:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know Logic is bi-racial?
wAvyT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:01:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had no idea man. He's never mentioned it. Ever.
SuperSaiyanCrota ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 09:40:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not black he's oj
1791_ ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:03:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....okay
TeamFatChance ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:33:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh. That's something OJ said about himself when asked to support a black cause in college.
TeaAndLiquor ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:37:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the person above you was referencing a Jay-Z song but I could be wrong.
TeamFatChance ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:19:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what Jay-Z put in a song, but what that guy posted is an exact quote from OJ when he was asked to support a civil rights issue.
"I'm not black, I'm OJ."
Trap_Cubicle5000 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:30:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jay-Z referenced that OJ statement and followed with ".....okay" in his new song 'The Story of O.J.'
/u/1791_ was just referencing the song.
uber1337h4xx0r ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:42:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He might be thinking of Michael Jackson, who was a famous singer in the 90's that was black but also white.
Elcyis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:16:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it didnt matter if he was black or white
oliverjbrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And whose children are definitely probably white.
uber1337h4xx0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, now that you mention it, Paris Jackson does look completely white. I think his wife was (is?) white, but still, was she adopted?
oliverjbrown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mother of the child is white but the story was always that she was impregnated with his sperm. But I saw recent pictures of his children and I think there must have been another sperm donor. They don't look anything like him or the Jackson extended family.
stink3rbelle ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She also looks a whole lot like Kris. Kids' complexions are not really a precise science, plenty of siblings have very different ones from their siblings. It's not picture perfect, but plenty of groups of siblings have some kids who look more alike than the others.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG its so obvious. I don't think OJ is the dad, but it isn't Robert K. either.
Dark_Vengence ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:37:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She really is the black sheep of the family. Can siblings look that much different? She is also really tall.
barto5 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:48:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, siblings can look very different. Do you not know any?
Dark_Vengence ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:35:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really.
mentalstabber ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:41:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn straight
Starkville ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:34:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Look at photos of that Roldan dude. Khloe resembles Sydney Simpson enough that you'd think OJ was her father until you see Roldan.
JavelinTF2 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:58:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
she doesnt look remotely part black at all
apathetic_revolution ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 04:18:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, and you think we're going to start paying attention to Simpson DNA evidence now???
__Noodles ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:26:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brava.
mcac ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:35:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? There are plenty of mixed race people that "pass"as white, you just never know because when you see them you assume they're just white people.
SarahTellsStories ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 05:42:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singer Halsey has a black father and white mother, she constantly has to tell people she's mixed and not white. I'm so sick of people assuming that unless they look somewhat black then they can't possibly be mixed race.
Legend017 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:32:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slash too.
SGT_Chowdown ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:48:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, they tell that to anyone who's mixed, black, latin, asian, doesn't matter. We call it "too-white-itis" lol. "Oh noooo so-and-so said I'm too white to be what I ammmmm" kinda thing.
lalaharmany ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 06:27:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your race is always suppoused to be your mother's at least that is what they put on your birth certificate
Susim-the-Housecat ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 10:19:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually fathers DNA is dominant. Generally a white mum/black dad, the kids will look black, but white dad, black mum, the kids are more likely to be white passing. Obviously not always, but it's what I've mostly seen.
Also this isn't the Elder Scrolls, you wont be "your mothers race" you'd be mixed race, and both your parents ethnicity should be on the certificate.
fluffernutter4life ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 10:26:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither parent is always dominant. It's a mixed bag with any number of possibilities. That's how genetics works.
Susim-the-Housecat ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 10:46:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know on paper it's supposed to be 50/50, and I know it's anecdotal, but i grew up in an area with a lot of mixed race kids, and most of them were white mum/black dad, and most of them were similar looking (obviously black features, medium/dark skin, dark/black hair, dark eyes) - all the kids who had white dads and black mums (there weren't many of them but enough to see a clear pattern!), were always very pale but with obviously black features, light hair (funnily enough, usually ginger or blonde, but usually still course and curly), usually dark eyes but sometimes light eyes too.
It just seems to be too common to be a coincidence.
fluffernutter4life ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 10:51:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not 50/50. You get a gene for whatever particular trait from each parent, but in most cases, one is dominant and the other is recessive meaning you don't see it. You even say there weren't many of them. You can't make a scientific observation based on a few kids.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:11:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you know a kid who looks white and has a black mom. Sounds like you figured out how it is for everyone.
Susim-the-Housecat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:57:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Several different kids, like i said it just seemed too much a coincidence to not have something to it.
beccaonice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:44 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anecdote does not equal data.
lalaharmany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:24 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom worked in labor and delivery at hospitals and your moms race is what you are put down as when you are born.
drawdeadonk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:55:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Louis CK is half mexican, OK!!!!
HooptyDooDooMeister ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:40:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"When I was young, witnessed my dad standing for right /
Black pride in him even though he passing for white"
Djay, "Hustle & Flow (It Ain't Over)" from the movie of the same name
fuckvyron ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:46:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OJ's other daughter doesn't look black either! Guess it all depends on genetics after all.
Grundlesplif ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 04:53:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well OJ isn't black he's OJ...
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...ok
goldieluxe2 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 04:26:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend whose dad is very black and a mum who is very white, but my friend looks white and it always surprises people when they meet her dad. I think it's down to genetics on how the child looks, there is no "way" a mixed race child is meant to look (in before someone jokes that her mum had an affair..we've all heard it before).
kaplanfx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:23:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O.J. Simpson wasn't black either, he was O.J.
NoneMoreForMeThanks ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:15:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...OK
PetrifiedofSnakes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:07:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was something he said once, very weird statement
Enzown ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither does Meghan Markle.
ihniwtp ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 09:55:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She def looks black
coldbeercoldbeer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mixed people can tell
Dark_Vengence ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 09:39:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She looks half black to me. I have a knack for spotting mixed races.
DraculaBranson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a lot of mixed people dont.
RedZeppelin00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:14:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither does Mariah Carey
PM_ME_OVERT_SIDEBOOB ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:05:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can tell
dotcomdiva ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:08:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoever her father is, it isn't Robert Kardashian!
frencln ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
she looks nothing like her sister, so yes.
ProxyArcane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:40:02 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He may have been your father but he wasn't your daddy
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you elaborate? I'm intrigued.
dont_wear_a_C ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:24:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look at her vs Kim and Kourtney, they look nothing alike. Kim and Kourtney share more features. They're both shorter, while Khloe is waaaaay taller.
Removing names and fame, if you looked at them without knowing who they were, you'd think Khloe would be the odd one out. That's why people think she isn't Robert Kardashian's biological daughter.
originalsinner702 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:29:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the facial structure that has me convinced, so not Kardashian.
TylertheDouche ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:12:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its not her 6 foot female frame that does it for you?
KevitoMG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm your daddy now.
OhNoesRain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, dont see it.
StressedForlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:05 on October 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
preach
jrm2007 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 08:50:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last names are different. Use your head before posting on Reddit!
SkeletorJellytor ยท 6490 points ยท Posted at 18:47:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Hitler didn't die in that bunker.
The bodies found were burnt. Well burnt. Beyond recognition. Also, the source that everyone cites for this evidence was pretty iffy.
Also, turned out the Soviet Union had the bodies for many years. Once they tested DNA it belonged to a woman. Dental records didn't match.
He is obviously dead now. But once you read about Hitler's death you come to find there isn't any real evidence the bastard died.
Even Stalin believed Hitler escaped.
NoMamesCabron1 ยท 6353 points ยท Posted at 21:27:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone knows that hitler was murdered in a cinema in France.
holaspaceboy ยท 1091 points ยท Posted at 23:27:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bawnjorno
IcedCapp69 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 06:59:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Areeverdarechi
Yudhishtra ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:42:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enters Italian class and says
gwaroftheworlds ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the frozen pizza?
ThomasTheHanksEngine ยท 2602 points ยท Posted at 22:42:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gorlomi
centwhore ยท 1478 points ยท Posted at 23:35:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, I speak the most Italian, so I'll be your escort. Donowitz speaks the second most, so he'll be your Italian cameraman. Omar speaks third most, so he'll be Donny's assistant." "I don't speak Italian." "Like I said, third best."
[deleted] ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 01:59:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"just keep your fucking mouth shut"
Carmelo_Spaceman ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 02:12:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matter of fact, why don't you start practicing right now.
Ttatt1984 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:35:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best lines from the movie
doubledubs ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:46:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bingo!
GuitaristHeimerz ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 04:48:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Fighting in a basement can offer a lot of difficulties. Number one, you're fighting in a basement."
road-rash3000 ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 01:56:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of my favorite Tarantino films by far. I especially love the scene where Landa and Shoshanna meet each other. The music that introduces Landa in that scene is just so intense and perfect for it.
Kcb1986 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:11:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought that music represented Shoshanna's heartbeat.
All_Hail_Krull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:59:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's originally from the movie The Entity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7W24CgR62M
The music plays when she gets raped by the ghost.
road-rash3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:11:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shit, huh? I've seen The Entity, but I never could have told you that it used that music. I think, at least in my opinion, Tarantino use it in a much better way that made it much more memorable.
I'm not a person who really cares much for soundtracks in movies or TV shows. I don't think I've ever caught myself thinking, "that had a good/bad soundtrack" when watching something, but the Landa and Shoshanna scene just blew me away really. I felt it really portray the "oh fuck" of that scene.
bacaflaca ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:30:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eyetalian
batvanvaiych ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:00:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Eye-talian."
MarianoAlipi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:46:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Signori, un piacere. Gli amici della vedetta ammirata da tutti noi, questa gemma propria della nostra cultura saranno naturalmente accolti sotto la mia protezione per la durata del loro soggiorno.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:13:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Si.
gingerly_said ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:45:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedbasterds
Kcb1986 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:10:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a fridge thought not too long ago after watching this scene and then them introducing themselves to Hans Landa. When they were coming up with the Italian scheme, they admit that their Italian sucked, Omar doesn't know any Italian according to him. However, in the theatre, all three of them knew what Hans Landa was asking in Italian.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:28:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bawn jorno
MuzzleBlast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:41:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a fucking brilliant and underrated film.
janitor_bg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:29:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you're being facetious, but the following wikipedia paragraph proves it's pretty well-rated:
"Inglourious Basterds grossed over $321 million in theaters worldwide, making it Tarantino's highest-grossing film until the release of Django Unchained (2012); it remains his second-highest grossing film. It received multiple awards and nominations, among them eight Academy Award nominations, including Best Picture, Best Director and Best Original Screenplay. For his role as Landa, Waltz won the Cannes Film Festival's Best Actor Award, as well as the BAFTA, Screen Actors Guild, Golden Globe, and Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor"
MuzzleBlast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Underrated as I donโt think it gets the recognition now that some of his other movies have received.
Powerfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is his best film by a good portion.
NoMamesCabron1 ยท 804 points ยท Posted at 22:45:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think margareeeeeeetti did it
TwoWholeTortillas ยท 650 points ยท Posted at 23:00:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Areeverderchi
iKorAX ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 02:12:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Si, uh, correcto!
[deleted] ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 23:39:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decocco
NickStuart118 ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 23:57:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DOMINICCA DECOOOOCCKKKOOO!
Michael_o_Mara ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 02:20:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BAHNJORNO
Dwingledork ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:31:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"One more time and let me hear the music in it_
NickStuart118 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:08:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give it some PASSION AH!
_BlankFace ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:32:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Areeba Dirt Cheese
arvs17 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:41:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Au Revoir, Shoshanna!
leroyyrogers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dominic, a deeKOko
alexpalex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:21:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bravo.
MostBallingestPlaya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Si, Correcto
IcedCapp69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just saw this comment and noticed it has almost the exact spelling I just used.
You're a legend.
Thefrogfather ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:17:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh sio correcto
ThatterribleITguy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:46:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love slightly obscure references, thanks!
frankyfrankfrank ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:14:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MAH-GAH-RRREEEYYYY-TEYYYYYYY
ChuckZombie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:17:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Dominic Decocco.
ChuckDarwinLives ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, I thought it was the Jew Bear.
StrategicBean ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:05:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Khadgaar ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:00:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah revaderche
hundenzahne ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:49:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I WANT MY SCALPS! And you will get me, MY SCALPS!
ogebear ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:45:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dominic Decoco๐๐ป
A1DickSauce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:01:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoshanna
mushroomcloud ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:19:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I instinctively read this in his voice... That was odd
severed13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gorrrlaaaaaaaami
MAK-15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gorlahmi
quidam08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:26:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me hear the music in the name!
Viperbunny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:53:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What drives me nuts is he picked a name that was so hard to sat. The gli sound is hard to pronounce. 3 years of honors Italian and having an all Italian family. Pick an easier God Damn name!
Eltotsira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gor. Lo. Mi.
Killer_Biscuit64 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:56:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THATS A BINGO!
TheHeed97015 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:34:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Au revior Shoshanna!
mrizzerdly ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:00:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bingo!
xCloudrunner ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:42:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Si, correcto.
IAmKingOfNoPantsAMA ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:32:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd true. I watched a documentary on it once.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:36:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a /s or a real theory?
Crashboy96 ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 22:40:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's how they kill Hitler in the film Inglorious Basterds.
Sallyrockswroxy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:24:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad I read your comment before going to google
Guaymaster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:13:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler came to Argentina and is still alive in a nuclear plant in the south.
He now has 3 arms, too.
CanadianGem ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:56:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Charles de Gaulle theatre to be exact.
Charles de Gaulle, Chairman of the Provisional Government of France in 1945 died while driving a Volkswagen. The model of that car, the Hitler.
pv46 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:30:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you referencing a different work of fiction? de Gaulle died in 1970 of an aneurysm.
CanadianGem ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understood the Inglorious Basterds reference, just thought I'd mix up some of my own bullshit coincidental urban legend about Charles de Gaulle because he was the leader of France at the time of Hitler's death, being that Hitler died in the Gaulle Theatre while Gaulle died in a Hitler Volkswagen.
Y'know the coincidental urban legends you hear often about Abraham Lincoln and JFK. How Lincoln was killed in the Ford theatre and JFK was killed in a Lincoln vehicle made by Ford.
Edit: thanks for the history info about Gaulle, that I didn't know. Very sad way to die, but he lived a long and fulfilling life.
Distortionizm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correcto.
Imanaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bonjourno
KeybladeSpirit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that with Lincoln.
HoTs_DoTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't know how to feel about it. It was a movie that changed how he died, granted the film is great but they changed how he actually died.
iteriwarren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I could gild you, I would! Spot on!
121995420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone?
Scarface_gv ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 05:15:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Tarantino earlier works but after the Basterds I seriously dread him more than love him.. That movie was such fucking jewish propaganda on the surface, which pisses me off because you have to be very observative to realize what Tarantino actually meant yet the regular folks just watch it and come out screaming, yay super jew nazi killin' squad!
But seriously fuck that movie.. The best part is the Bar Scene with Fassbender and the Waltz bits.
Anyways..
Downvote me and call me Nazi, come on! :D
fakecatfish ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:50:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont mind if I do, Adolf!
Scarface_gv ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 06:07:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honoured, DANKE!
:D
StarrunnerCX ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:56:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To call your theory "a bit of a stretch" would be an insult, on account of giving it any legitimacy at all. It just sounds like you don't like Jews, or you're a very low effort troll.
Beemer2 ยท 5052 points ยท Posted at 23:36:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he died in the Bunker. This is an interesting theory, and I've heard it many times, but I've done some pretty extensive research on the Battle of Berlin, and in doing so have heard a lot about Hitlers last days. There are several witnesses that can testify to seeing Hitler and Eva's bodies. Even exact or near exact conversations from the men who carried their bodies up the stairs, and burned them.
The bodies were well burned, and unrecognizable. However, the Russians have a portion of Hitlers Skull and Jaw bone. (I know the Russians credibility is weak) but Hitlers personal dentist and his assistant were tracked down, and the dentist sketched a copy of Hitlers teeth, and it was a near exact match to the Jaw bone that was discovered.
Also it's very important to recognize that Hitler would not leave the capital. He was approached by everyone and anyone around him, urging him to leave, but he wouldn't. This was especially true after he found out Himmler and Goring betrayed him. And even more so true when he found out Gen. Felix Steiner could not mobilize enough men to come and break the Soviet encirclement around Berlin. He lost all hope and at one point openly declared to his immediate staff that the war was lost, and that if his orders were not being obeyed, or even relayed out of the Fuhrerbunker, there was no point in continuing to lead.
Many people came to see Hitler after he had broken down. One of the more known ones (attributed to many conspiracy theory's) was Robert Ritter von Greim & Hanna Reitsch. Both where dedicated Hitler supporters and the latter was ordered to fly into Berlin to be promoted - and take over from Goring. They flew in once...and flew out once in a Arado Ar 96 training plane with 2 seats. They also begged Hitler to come, but he would not. Then they volunteered to stay and die with him - Hitler wouldn't allow it, Greim was needed alive to issue orders to the Luftwaffe.
Last but not least, several witnesses including Hitlers secretary Traudl Junge, saw Hitler and Eva discussing with his personal Doctor ( Dr. Werner Haase) in the bunker the best way to commit suicide. Junge saw the bodies being carried out after Otto Gรผnsche opened the door to discover them dead. Otto was in charge of disposing of the bodies and did so accordingly. Otto Gรผnsche was captured and held in Moscow after the war. Because Stalin was absolutely obsessed with Hitler, he kept Gรผnsche & Heinz Linge (Hitlers personal driver, and the second man tasked personally by Hitler himself, in disposing of his body) imprisoned to be the primary sources for "Operation Myth" the biography of Hitler which was prepared for Joseph Stalin.
So you see...there are many many many reputable sources that declare that Hitler died in the Bunker. After sifting through the facts myself many many times, plus trying to comprehend the situation he was in, and the emotional detachment, and mental illness that griped him plus ANY alternative methods of escape at the time (which there were none) it is my conclusion that Hitler died in that bunker.
Take a look at the names I put in this comment and take a look your' self at their testimonies, its all very interesting and very convincing considering the desperate times they were all in.
EDIT Thanks for the gold kind stranger! History is my favorite subject, especially WWII/Military history. I'm glad my research/curiosity rubbed off on someone!
sloppy_wet_one ยท 2219 points ยท Posted at 00:14:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Hitler.
Seriously tho that was a good read, thank you. Also, have you visited the site of the bunker? It's just a car park for a pair of apartment buildings now. It does have a little sign indicating it's the bunker location, but that's all.
[deleted] ยท 502 points ยท Posted at 02:14:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hollahovito ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 07:10:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember our tour guide telling us it's funny that the area, which they did not turn into anything special to commemorate it, was now surrounded by everything Hitler hated. There was a black community centre, a Jewish memorial and a Gay sauna all in the vicinity.
Kingimg ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:46:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a gay sauna? never heard of those. I thought everyone went to the same sauna
hollahovito ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:54:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you're being facetious but google it, homie
Kingimg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I know what it is I just have never heard of it
JuicyJay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:12:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bath house. Gay guys go there to fuck and be naked and shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:22 on January 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
5 months later, I do apologize, but I just wanted to say how good this feels to learn, like one final "Fuck you" to that bastard. One last proper spit on his ideology's shallow grave.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:52:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely hate that those places needed to be wiped off the map for a variety of good reasons, but still... it would be awesome (first time I've used that word properly) to see them.
xland44 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 07:49:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Awesome' isn't the word I'd use (no offense but world war 2 and the holocaust don't give me a sense of awe), but I would recommend you visit the Majdanek concentration camp - the others have turned more into tourist attractions, but Majdanek has been preserved - there is an entire mound of ashes there, each handful was from a single person.
I've heard from people who visited the concentration camps that it's the one that hurts the most to see, because it is the closest to looking like it did when it was active
TheWhiteOwl23 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 09:59:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you mean, because when you hear "awesome" It is almost always associated with something good, or great. But I think it is appropriate to use even here as it really does leave you in awe to see things that caused such an effect on so many people and history itself, so I kinda see it as awe-some. If that makes any sense.
AuroraHalsey ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 10:54:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome shares the same base etymology as Awful.
Odd how having some awe became good, and being full of awe became bad.
AustinShagwell ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:54:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a pretty interesting observation.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for defending my "awesome" comment lol
That is exactly what I meant.
sapphicsandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, the issue is one can't really have a conversation involving Nazis without all the virtue signalling.
syanda ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:39:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right next to a shopping mall, too. My wife and I wouldn't have known it was there at all if I hadn't been there before.
Elcatro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:13:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not related to the war but it kind of reminds me of the West house in Gloucester (Belonged to serial killer Fred West), the house was torn down and now there's a little path that acts as a nice shortcut to the city center.
I once took that shortcut and didn't even realise where I was, its crazy to think of the horrors that took place there and how utterly normal it looks now.
SlaughterhouseIce9 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:53:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, probably be more accurate to say WW2 was lost at Stalingrad.
Jabberminor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:01:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like where Richard III was buried.
oddish56 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was won, not lost
plasmidlifecrisis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ozymandias.
satans_ferret ยท -39 points ยท Posted at 05:18:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That chapter has ended but sadly the book is still being written.
I imagine in 50 years or so, society will be so soft that Hitler will be looked at as a poor soul to be pitied rather than reviled
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Wheredoesthetoastgo2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:52:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like history rule 34. If an idea exists, it exists on tumblr
satans_ferret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder, do the down votes come from people who don't understand what I said,or who actually believe in white supremacy?
redfoot62 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:11:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Nice try Hitler."
The idea of a 128 year old decrepit withery husk of Adolph Hitler grunting while reading this on his IPhone from his half cryogenic chamber as blonde haired blue eyed son and daughter scientists cloned from his most loyal Nazi scientists work to keep him alive is pretty funny.
Helreaver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, he's living a relatively normal life now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adolf*
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:12:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a second, I read that as "Have you visited the bunker?" It would be quite the sight.
Oiygg ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 02:47:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Germany never preserved Nazi locations, even for historical purposes, out of fear they would become gathering places for neo-nazis.
Robby_Digital ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 03:10:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? There are a ton of nazi locations preserved in Germany and are now museums/ tourist attractions of sorts. Nothing in a good light of course. Hitler's eagle's nest and the documentation center below, for example.
Oiygg ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:58:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I meant that specifically. I should have been more clear.
I_am_at_school_AMA ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:39:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler's birth house in Braunau , Austria has this problem that it has become a hotspot for neo nazis , mainly from hungary. Some politicans in Austria are thinking of tearing it down and putting a museum there
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Austria just demolish Adolf's childhood home because it was becoming a shrine of sorts where Neo-Nazis would gather?
Danimals847 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instead they all came to the USA.
CaptainIncredible ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:59:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a really interesting movie on Netflix called "Guess Who's Back". It's sort of a sci-fi, mockumentary kind of movie.
Essentially, Hitler wakes up on the ground in that very location in 2015, 60 years after the bunker was captured.
Spoilers At first, some locals think he's just a senile old man who looks like Hitler and is wearing a Nazi uniform. Later, he starts walking around public squares interacting with people, Borat style. Lots of hidden racists come out. All think he's just an impersonator like those guys who dress like Walter White in Las Vegas. Eventually he gets his own talk show. It's part comedy, but frightening because it's probably exactly what would happen.
_Brokkoli ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:59:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The book is much better.
fionasank ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:53:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I went there I was told that this is to stop neonazis laying flowers or memorials for Hitler, they don't tell you where exactly the bunker was for this reason
Keown14 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:45:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sign at the location tells you exactly where the bunker was and sketched out where it is in reference to what is there today. The sign is pretty much the same place where his body was burned. It's an odd experience.
fionasank ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:35:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I swear it was a secret. Then again it was a school trip and my teacher told me that fact, so it was probably a guess. Thanks for teaching me something new!
Tinfoilhartypat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:30:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was in Dresden and went to the location of the POW holding cells/Slaughter-House 5 back in the early '00s. Was wandering around and came across an empty room with a group of German architecture interns, who were working on a plan to turn the buildings into a shopping complex. They had no idea the history of the buildings or ever heard of the book.
Tw9caboose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just in Berlin and was told that it is now under the Berlin holocaust memorial?
IrishRepoMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solid response.
Mstinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver
SenorLame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Cyborg Hitler.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that Hitler! He's ALWAYS tryin' stuff!
EasternBlitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get that the German government didn't want that being a shrine for neo-nazi. However, I feel that they are erasing history by trying to cover these things up.
fakestamaever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny that in Europe it seems that events of massive historical importance have little to commemorate them while here in America every stupid little thing has a museum.
thetarget3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:09 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's perfectly common in Europe too, but the Germans just didn't want to honour Hitler in any way
aemna ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I remember visiting the bunker when I was a kid. I stood in the room it all happened in. This must have been nine or ten years ago, though so I guess time just marches on.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:32:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah you werent in THE room it all happened in. That bunker is inaccessible.
ziplocka ยท 603 points ยท Posted at 00:22:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely correct. Having done 15 year long research on the inner workings of the Third Reich, the battle for Berlin, and the personality of Adolf Hitler it is very clear that Hitler died in that bunker. He stated on various occasions that if you are not good enough to win you dont deserve to live, and that without victory life means nothing. Those that paint Hitler as a charlatan that just wanted power, wealth, control, and the ability to ride off into the sunset when that collapsed are hugely underestimating the insanity of the man; and I would suggest attaching some of their own sanity and logic to his behaviours. There is no way on earth Adolf Hitler would have lived a single day in the shoes of a beaten man. That and the encirclement of Berlin by the Soviet army made it more or less impossible to escape.
UnknownNam3 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:07:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember that, for a time, anyway, this was basically true for him, before the Wars.
Though, he likely decided to never go through that again.
I agree with you.
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DoktorSoviet ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 02:39:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people fundamentally misunderstand Hitler because his actions were so irrational to many that can't even comprehend it.
The truth is that Hitler believed exactly what he was selling. He truly believed in his racial theory which, when combined with earlier Social Darwinist theories supported by Mussolini, constructed Hitler's entire worldview. In some twisted way this truly did make sense to him, and he saw himself as the hero of his story.
Even at the time many people thought he was a charlatan who was simply putting on a show. Even Stalin underestimated how truly insane Hitler was, believing that Hitler would not attack the Soviet Union until ready and thus dismissing the threat that Hitler posed in 1941. People still don't understand just how truly warped Hitler's mind was.
Hitler is often decried as being pure evil but I don't agree with that assessment. Pure evil is doing something wrong and knowing full well that it is wrong. Hitler did terrible things, but the whole time he was convinced it was necessary, and in some ways that may even be worse.
superfuzzy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 08:24:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He truly did believe it all. Hence his famous quote:
"If the war is lost then it is not my concern that the people perish in it. I still would not shed a single tear for them, because they did not deserve any better."
94358132568746582 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:57:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And didn't he order people to burn down all the cities and have all civilians essentially suicide attack the invading armies? He truly believed he would win, and when he didn't, he wanted to die and have all of Germany be his funeral pyre.
wtfdidijustdoshit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:12:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was an Android ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Shadowhawk109 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:25:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Master race better than everyone else is more of a iPhone thing.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:22:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler invented 4D chess
PresidenTrumpCamacho ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:48:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone like Hitler, who was said to have fallen to his knees crying when he heard Germany lost the first world war, would have never been able to live in a world where Germany had lost a second world war. Even more so when that defeat was caused by him. Also, theirs a reason he ordered the demolition of many areas in germany by the german army, because in his mind if he and germany couldn't win then germany/him shouldn't continue to exist. That and the meth in his system would have absolutely made him crazy enough to want to commit suicide.
Harbinger147 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 00:52:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention wasnt it also speculated that hitler was well into parkinsons disease and that he probably wouldnt of survived the trip to south america anyway.
PopWhatMagnitude ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:07:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps someone can explain to me why common wisdom says a submarine trip is so much harder to endure than being holed up in a bunker?
I get that the sub is recycled air, more cramped, ect. But why would it be considered so drastically harder on his health?
titterbug ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:03:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Submarines are a health concern, but I can't say if one would have impacted Hitler's. Hitler did have health problems, though it is not certain what.
Among the problems are the lowered ability to vent carbon dioxide, chemical fumes and even dust, the reduced access to medicine, doctors and quarantines, the hot and humid conditions being ideal to bacteria, the inability to resupply or store extra supplies, and the cramped conditions causing an inescapable lack of privacy. It's like a bunker on hard mode, with stress on top.
Bazrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, i was like "ok that would really suck but I think with a little work I could do it maybe" and then I read "hot and humid."
Fuck that. I hate hot and humid. Which is ironic considering I live in the south....probably why I hate hot and humid tbh
hefnetefne ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:57:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Granted, he was probably referring to people other than himself.
KaJashey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:27:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the very end of WWI he supposedly suffered a gas attack. He went temporarily blind. The blindness may have been a psychological defence mechanism to the inevitability of defeat. He was but back together by a psychologist.
He had a very very hard time losing the first war.
sonny_jim_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:34:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, no matter how much research anyone does, the lack of hard evidence will always remain.
TheElite3740 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Father Krespi
88mphTARDIS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're basing this on what he said, but what about the tests that showed his body was that of a younger female?
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:58 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was no body to test, only a skull fragment which was discovered in the burial pit a year after the end of the war. It was not attached to a body, nobody involved in the recovery ever claimed it was his.
Dalimey100 ยท 351 points ยท Posted at 00:40:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Hitler's dentist should have tried for art school instead.
Darkfire346 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:07:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait for the sequel! The cycle continues!
FatalisCogitationis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:43:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no we're not going down that road again
rouge6 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If your dentist can't recreate your teeth/jawline, you need a new dentist
foxfire66 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:05:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wounder how that would turn out...
Zer is an evil zat is destroying our country and yet ve pratically give zem a plaque for it! Ve cannot remain indentured to ze candy industry! Ve have to show zem zat ve are not all bark and no bite viss zem before our country decays! Zey say zero sugar viss tic tacs, but zat is a veneer, ze tiny serving size rounds to zero! Ve must remove ze crown of king Villy Vonka! Ve must also target sugar quantities as sugar addiction is ze root of ze problem! Ve can not speak vissout teef, but ve must be multilingual in ze global market, so ve must not only brace ourselves, but gum up ze veels of ze candy industry's sugar addiction machine!
Leumas_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zing!
mapbc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:43:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Easy bullshit stuff here.
brondo04 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:20:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Side note on this: Even if he had actually survived and escaped Europe, he probably wouldn't have lived very long after the war ended. It's pretty well know he had Parkinson's, plus a heavy amphetamine addiction, let alone many other ailments. I would give him maybe 5 years tops if he didn't off himself.
dew_wino_hue ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:51:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So since you've done a lot of homework about hitler and such, I've gotta ask. I've heard there's a lot of connections between the nazis and the occult, even folklore of him having the spear that pierces Jesus' side, is there any credibility to the crazy weird stuff that goes around about this?
Beemer2 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:07:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazi's and the occult had some very real & weird connections. Mostly in the realm of the SS and the higher Nazi elite. They went digging for numerous artifacts (mostly Germanic artifacts, but others as well, including the Holy Lance) to try and enhance their power. As said, this mostly occurred in the SS in relatively close to proximity to Himmler, who is the one who believed in all that nonsense, and recruited others like him to perform rituals.
They did have possession of the Holy Lance for a time, when Austria was Annexed. Lord knows what they did with it, but they did have it and it was reportedly locked away hidden in Nuremberg until the US found it and Patton returned it to Austria.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:37:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I could Google it but I feel like it would be better to just ask you: what's this Holy Lance and what's it all about?
Beemer2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:41:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the lance to have supposedly been used to pierce Jesus's side while he was dying on the cross. The Lance was kept by some of the worlds most important people, kings, and royalty from all over the middle east into Europe. It was said that anyone who kept the lance would conquer the world essentially.
olhonestjim ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:03:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard it said that a trampoline could be sewn together from all the alleged fragments of Jesus' foreskin.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for explaining that. This is weird stuff.
dew_wino_hue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's crazy, thanks for the reply!
quakank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In addition to the good info already provided, it should be mentioned that there are multiple "Holy Lances". The three most credible ones - and I use that term loosely - are in Rome, Vienna, and Armenia. The Nazis had possession of the Vienna lance which only has a known history back to the 10th century. The Rome lance has a solid date back to 1492 and a (very) questionable history that goes back to around the 6th century. The Armenian lance has a known history back to the 13th century.
Not sure how the Nazis decided the Vienna lance was the one to have. Perhaps it was just the easiest one to acquire.
ZiggoCiP ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was a bonified r/AskHistorians comment. Thank you kindly for your well-informed input!
Beemer2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime! I love r/AskHistorians , its one of my favorite subs!
Subaca ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:31:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember pretty much every single one of your points as happening in Der Untergang (AKA Downfall AKA the movie where Hitler parodies come from). Is it just that accurate of a movie?
kbfprivate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd also love to hear feedback about this. The movie was very good.
Beemer2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a pretty accurate movie, and actually tells the story pretty well from Traudl Junge's point of view.
thedugong ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:43:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a story once where Hitler was captured, and Stalin kept him alive, enough to be conscious and aware, in a cage and would go and see him every now and then and gloat.
CheeseBadger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:18:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun Fact: The famous Hitler freaking out scene that has been parodied many times is about this occurrence.
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it has haha- my fave is the COD Infinite Warfare one lol.
dudius7 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:48:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think people who doubt are people who watched that really trashy show on Discover or whatever.
FushUmeng ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean "Hunting Ratings", oops, I mean Hitler?
dudius7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:24 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First, yes.
Second, nice necrobump.
Third, your username is a Smashmouth album. Respect.
droppinhamiltons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting stuff, especially Stalin being so obsessed with Hitler. He had a personal biography of Hitler made for him?
Beemer2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he did! He was obsessed with Hitler. Stalin wanted to know everything about him. Which is why the book was made, information from Hitlers closest captured cronies.
droppinhamiltons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think he was so obsessed with him?
Balony1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:47:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cartel3341 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:53:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I immediately jumped to the end to make sure I didn't start reading about the Undertaker.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Beemer2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:33:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greim was replacing Goring. Goring was planning to make contact with the allies and Hitler found out. So Hitler took away all of Goring standings in the government and Luftwaffe. His replacement was to be Greim. Reitsch was a famous German test pilot for experimental German aircraft.
Booksntea2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you give me any recommendations for readings about Stalins obsession with Hitler? That sounds interesting!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:42:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He came to the conclusion that the best to kill himself would be with a gunshot? Wouldn't a doctor convince him of an easier method with pills, or was there a technology/accessibility issue?
On the other hand, shooting yourself in the head is probably one of the quicker and smoother ways to go.
DeftShark ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:35:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did both actually. The bullet just made it certain.
Crivelo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why look for a dead man?
Don't you think it's a little convenient that his personal dentist was the one to confirm that the jaw was Hitler's?
Don't you think that a man as smart as Hitler would realize that it would be much harder to escape and have people know he escaped and be hunted for the rest of his life rather than fake his own death with a sum of a few close friends to confirm he was suicidal/dead?
We will probably never know, but I know for a fact that if I was in the position he was, I wouldn't be naive enough to simply escape. Escaping would simply mean a life in hiding, always looking over your shoulder. I would fake my own death, and cover all loose ends by thinking how they would, planting evidence, burning bodies, and having friends confirm it. It's just too convenient.
Cant_stop-Wont_stop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:29:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler? A smart man?
A smart man would know of the classic blunders, such as never going in against a Sicilian when death is on the line, and... what was that other one?
Crivelo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't think Hitler was smart then you might want to do some research, he wasn't the greatest military mind, but he was extremely intelligent.
Scarface_gv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:19:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting read but I'd like to check the sources for this..
I genuinely believe he escaped to Brazil and then Argentina and died in the '71.
And I'll defend this with blood and words till proved wrong by I dunno.. The Devil himself telling me he has it since 1945.
-500- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a good read, but honestly none of it convinced me. These were people who were dedicated to him, like, cult style. Who's to say they didn't just bullshit everything so people wouldn't look for him?
Beemer2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:31:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally understand where you're coming form. I guess that's why there's still a conspiracy!
Smoldero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:49:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what disturbs me, too. He had these people killing for him, surely his confidants would lie easily to spare his life.
I'd like to research the whole event more. Those old FBI files on the Argentina theory got me interested in all this.
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:27 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dedicated enough to all withstand 10 years of imprisonment, harsh interrogation and torture at the hands of the Soviets without cracking, all of them?
-500- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:28 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large organizations have advanced ways of keeping secrets, normally through the fracturing of information so no single individual can paint the whole picture. Even if they thought they knew, they could be wrong. It's definitely possible. Unlikely, but possible. Not to mention the highest ranking people that would actually know for sure where he was all killed themselves to avoid interrogation most likely.
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:14 on December 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misch, Gunsche, Kempka, Linge and Junge were all present in the bunker when Hitler & Braun killed themselves. They saw the bodies in Hitler's private quarters, they testified to what they saw and heard going on around them. They weren't simply repeating something they were told.
-500- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:35 on December 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that. Iโm just saying it very well could all be a sham.
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:14 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I could win the lottery. Three times. In a row.
tehringworm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whelp, I'm convinced
sandgroper1968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to watch "Hunting Hitler" on the History channel
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:40 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hunting Hitler" is a load of fraudulent shit. They've already been caught in one blatant lie.
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/history-channel-thinks-moe-howard-might-be-hitler-plus-micah-hankss-confusing-views-on-speculative-fiction
Fraud.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What books can you recommend?
VirtualAnarchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just talking about this with a friend the other day and he brought up interesting points. Hitler was land-locked when the Allies were circled around Berlin and he had been seen by reputable sources not long before. How would he have made it out, surrounded on all sides?
Taxonomy2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weren't drugs a major factor in Hitler's life? I read that Hitler was having his personal physician mix him a daily cocktail of amphetamines. When Hitler died, his physician had been gone for at least a few days; it makes sense that Hitler may have been deep in withdrawal at that point.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know of a good documentary on the Battle of Berlin?
Gay_For_Gary_Oldman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome comment.
I'm doing some more reading on ww2, can you reccommend any good books on the last days of the Nazi top rung leaders?
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My personal favorite is "The Last Battle" by Cornelius Ryan - excellent book about the battle of Berlin and the end of the war.
Gay_For_Gary_Oldman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent, thank you!
mapbc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm conflicted. You said no methods of escape but the Junge guy flew out?
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Judge didn't fly out. After Hitler basically gave up, he allowed the remaining forces to attempt a break out. None where very successful and most were captured or killed attempting to do so. Judge being a woman had a more successful chance of escaping, and did so while most others where captured.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a good movie.
Beemer2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an even better book. Check out "The Last Battle" By Cornelius Ryan. Excellent book and it's very very detailed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll see if I can ILL it, thanks.
Cant_stop-Wont_stop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Mein Fuhrer... Steiner..."
"Steiner didn't have enough men. The attack didn't take place."
Shakily removes glasses. "The following stay here: Keitel, Jodl, Krebs and Burgdorf..."
Lebagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well put. The baseless Hitler didn't die theories are a regular appearance in these threads, your post could be trotted out each time in response.
burritobitch4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good comment
HoTs_DoTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do know that his dental records were not his, right? It was not his teeth.
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:57 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they were. They were compared to verified X-rays of Hitler's skull taken in 1944 and they matched. These constitute pretty solid forensic proof that Hitler died in Berlin. For a detailed account of the forensic exam go to http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf .
YourPoliticsSuckFam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is the small matter of the bones possessed by the Russians being DNA tested and coming back female, but that hardly proved an escape. Just shoddy reccoordkeeping and a war trophy.
Became Martin Bormann and other leading Nazis survived the war by fleeing to South America, I understand why this conspiracy might exist, but I too remain convinced Hitler did not leave berlin.
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:04 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A skull fragment was tested by Dr. Nicholas Bellantoni in 2009, female DNA was found. This was recovered from the burial pit a year after the end of the war, it was not attached to a body and nobody involved in the recovery ever claimed it was his. The dental remains are a separate piece of evidence and confirm his death in Berlin beyond a reasonable doubt. For a detailed account of the forensic exam go to http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did they do that?
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They both made contact with the Allies. Which was forbidden by Hitler and the ultimate betrayal.
HearingSword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SO a couple of questions for you, if you dont mind.
I love this period in history but dont know much about it.
1) How did Himmler and Goring betray Hitler?
2) How long did the war last after Hitler's death? I know of the German army fighting the SS in the mountains with the allied forces.
3) I love The Great War channel on WW1 - do you have any youtube recommendations that is like this for WW2?
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1.) Himmler and Goring both realized the war was unwinnable and decided that peace with the allies was better. Himmler had previously made contact with the allies and Goring was planning to. Hitler saw this as the ultimate betrayal.
2.) The war didn't last much longer, Hitler died on April 30th, and Germany surrendered on May 8th. Some fanatical SS did fight long but the whole mountain redoubt was mostly ineffective.
3.) I usually watch a bunch of different stuff on you tube, I don't have one specific channel i tend to watch most that's WWII related.
HearingSword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you :)
flintlock519 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where are the skull and jaw bone now?
Beemer2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still in Russia, locked up tight. It's like their prized possession.
LiquidBionix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had to scroll to the bottom to check for plummeting into the announcers table before I could read the rest lol.
PrinceAuryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now, it's history channel, so take it a rock of salt... but the show Hunting Hitler mentions a small route leading from his bunker, to an airport nearby. Escape methods were available, according to that show. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
FushUmeng ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:27 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hunting Hitler" is a load of fraudulent shit. They've already been caught in one blatant lie.
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/history-channel-thinks-moe-howard-might-be-hitler-plus-micah-hankss-confusing-views-on-speculative-fiction
Fraud.
PrinceAuryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:01 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay. Had no idea, that sucks. Thanks
aviator147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
any good books you'd recommend regarding the end of the war in Europe/Hitlers Death? I find the last days of war, Berlin falling fascinating.
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll always recommend "The Last Battle" by Cornelius Ryan - excellent book about the last days of WWII in the fight for Berlin . It's one of my all time favorites. Anthony Beevor also has a great book about The fall of Berlin called "The Fall of Berlin: 1945" both are excellent reads.
NoApollonia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I trust the dentist though. I mean, he could have been highly paid to switch out the records with another patient. Or better, Hitler also had lookalikes hired, so all he had to do was send one of them to that dentist to use regularly and use the name Hitler.
FushUmeng ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:22 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two separate independent dental reconstructions were provided, one by Dr. Hugo Blaschke (captured by the Americans) and by dental techs Kather Heusemann and Fritz Echtmann (captured by the Russians). These were combined with the details of the dental features of the body reported in the autopsy which was published by Lev Bezyminski in 1968. All of this was compared to X-rays of Hitlers skull which were captured from his physician Dr. Theodor Morell in a study by Drs. Reidar Sognnaes and Ferdinand Strom which was published in 1973. The study confirmed that the dental features of the body recovered by the Russians matched the X-rays of Hitler's skull. The report is available at http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf .
Irishjuggalette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you specialize in just the German side or do you know about all of it? I'm trying to find some info about my great grandfather and an incident that happened in WWII and so far I'm not finding anything about it, and I don't know if I'm just not looking in the right spot.
Beemer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My focus is on the Eastern Front - but I have have studied the conflict in Europe as a whole from 1939-45 as well. If you have any specific questions DM me and i'll see if I can help you out!
NicTri20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:23 on November 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a document that suggests after the war he was in Columbia...
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:45 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of the bunker survivors captured by the Russians were released and repatriated to Germany after Stalin's death. They stuck to their stories for the remainder of their lives. Gunsche & Misch even lived to see the fall of the Soviet Union and the reunification of Germany. It's unlikely that they would have continued to lie after they were set free.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:13:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao but all skulls look the same, could've been anyones
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:52 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The details of the dental remains as noted in the autopsy report were compared to verified X-rays of Hitler's skull taken in 1944 and they matched. The forensic report can be read at http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf
DoubleDopeDose ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds nice and all, but every "reputable" person on this list are as you admitted people who were still dedicated to him even when it was apparent he was losing. I feel like that's a point for both proof he died in the bunker and a point to the nutty people saying he escaped 'cause it kind of reinforces both beliefs.
Onkel_Adolf ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HE WAS NOT MENTALLY ILL!! LIES!! LIES!!!
007delusions ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you're going to trust the media 80 years ago, when you can barely trust them now?
FushUmeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:14 on December 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't the media who established that he had died. A forensic dental study was done in 1973 which confirmed his death in Berlin beyond a reasonable doubt. The report can be seen at http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf .
_This_Is_Magic_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Hitler was a nice guy with different views on world.
LHOOQatme ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:02:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched a TV special about a woman whose Master's Degree thesis was about evidence pointing towards Hitler fleeing to the Brazilian state of Mato Grosso, marrying a black woman in order not to raise suspicions and dying in the '80s. Most of it relied on the Hitler candidate being an immigrant without documents who appeared at the very isolated town a little after Hitler was 'killed'. He bought a small farm and was promptly nicknamed 'Old German'. His (claimed) name? Adolf Leipzig, being Leipzig the birthtown of Hitler's favourite composer, Wagner.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:21:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bold move going with Adolf as your alias.
ChrisTheGinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what better way to hide than in plain sight, surely nobody, not even a drugged up insane person like Adolf Hitler would use Adolf as their new identity!
this_screenname ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:11:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he just shaved his mustache and walked off with no one able to recognize him.
iambookus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:32:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would beat Superman's disguise in terms of minimalism.
Doc_McStuffinz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:16:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But seriously, do you think you'd be able to recognize hitler if he shaved his mustache and got a different haircut? I doubt I could, they're so iconic
fullblownaydes2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:50:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist." And magically Hitler's limp disappears as he walks from the bunker.
pineappledumdum ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:57:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States didn't stop officially searching for him until the early sixties!
ponyboy414 ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 20:01:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg, I just remembered I was in a play in high-school about a couple Russians eating Hitler.
LexRexRawr ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 20:47:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, what?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:56:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler apparently ended up as shashlik on a Mosin-Nagant's bayonet.
gd_akula ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:38:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appropriate
Gigadweeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've been an SVT. The real traditional Soviet battle rifle.
stupid_sexyflanders ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:45:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/ponyboy414 was in a play in high-school about a couple Russians eating Hitler.
ponyboy414 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:07:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was supposed to be a comedy but it was terribly written by a upperclassman at my high-school at the time. I played Hitler in which I kissed a girl and killed myself in my about 30 seconds of stage time. My parents weren't too happy about that.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:50:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eating his d*ck n pussy
Mythicalhero5143 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:07:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtf what was this play called and why was it played
ponyboy414 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:13:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was written by some guy in a few classes above me, I cant remember what he called it, it was played in front of like 200 parents.
mudgetheotter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:42:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have loved to have been in the audience. Not to see the play--though it does sound interesting--but to have witnessed the uncomfortable dismay making its way through the audience.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:59:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait what
elHerpes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you live in ukraine
ponyboy414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no?
voodoo_zero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL my high school had bitch ass plays.
wheels_andthelegman ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 22:03:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Burnt beyond recognition. You ever seen a burn victim? Most recognizable person in the room." -Jim Jefferies
gagnonca ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We get it...You watched Man in the High Castle
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:33:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
LemonyTuba ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:53:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was the basis for a really shitty comic I made in middle school for my English class. Hitler goes into the future and assembles a team of baddies from throughout history by using Nazi science time machines. He had Jack the Ripper, the Black Knight, and Blackbeard the pirate. Blackbeard had to replace his old crew with a bunch of Somali pirates. The protagonist was a nondescript bald guy named Super Bob. His power was a pet T-Rex that had an m60 machine gun on its head and a howitzer on its back. Also, it ate some Somali pirates when Blackbeard captured a cruise ship to steal their food and feed his crew.
TrumpSupporterAMA ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 19:40:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this one too. There was/is a show on TV called "Hunting Hitler" on the history channel you might like :) also there are declassified FBI files about them tracking him to Argentina, also in southern Brazil many many people speak German because of all the Nazis that fled there after the war!
[deleted] ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 20:28:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Germans went to Brazil in large numbers well before the Nazis and WW2, over a hundred years before.
TrumpSupporterAMA ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:36:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL :)
DukeofVermont ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:18:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's also why a bunch left Germany. Where would you rather stay? War torn Germany or move down to South America and live with your cousins before you get back on your feet.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:11:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They fled because they would be hanged otherwise. Like all top Nazi's.
DukeofVermont ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:08:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, I wasn't saying that top Nazi's didn't flee. I was just saying that many other Germans left Germany following WWII. That's all. Some of those went to South America because there is a large population of German speakers in Southern Brazil, and Argentina.
MajesticCrabapple ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: that's why the bandoneon is a popular Argentine instrument.
I_am_at_school_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep , at the end of the 19th century the was a big immigration period all over europe and a lot of germans fled to north and south america. Just look at how many americans have names that clearly have a german origin.
The same is true for the south if Brazil , Argentina and Chile
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:59:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No the fbi got reports he was on Argentina. They didn't track him anywhere
Tofinochris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they were going to believe those they might as well have also believed that Elvis was alive in the late 80s working at a Biloxi Burger King.
yellowdude9209 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:04:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is only partially true. One of the reasons those two regions were attractive to Germans was because there were already German settlements in Argentina and Southern Brazil.
TravtheCoach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun to watch, for sure
RudyChicken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:47:03 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hunting Hitler lol! Does that air right after "Finding Bigfoot" on the Super Tru History channel.
TrumpSupporterAMA ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:25:10 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never said it was " Super Tru", asshole.
RudyChicken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:12 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol ok
bilblowbaggins ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:49:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Stalin knew Hitler was dead. After the fall of the Soviet Union, there were files showing the dental records of the corpses that were released. Hitler had some pretty crappy dental work done when he was young and poor.
Plz_Pm_Me_Cute_Fish ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 19:20:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like he donated tons of stolen artifacts and other things to the Vatican for safety in return, maybe he went to Argentina, with the rest of the high status Nazi's, maybe he was named Father Crespi, and maybe he was celebrated like a god upon his death.
But, who knows.
LemmeWinbro ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 21:45:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude, that theory got debunked by so many historians...
TheBellBrah ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 23:58:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's anti Catholic, he's getting upvotes
Patches67 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:42:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, that's the plot for Helsing. Minus the vampires.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or is it...?
bcmonty ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 20:01:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi Hitler, no sorry wait, Heil Hitler
Gucci__Flip__Flops ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a 152 year old man on a news story claiming to be Hitler a few months back.
frogger2504 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you should rearrange that sentence so it doesn't seem like the guy was actually 152, and was just claiming to be.
Gucci__Flip__Flops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was actually 152 though. Had a birth certificate and everything
Gucci__Flip__Flops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was actually 152 though. Had a birth certificate and everything
frogger2504 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he was the oldest person ever by over 30 years and somehow doesn't hold the record? I suspect he had a fake birth certificate.
Gucci__Flip__Flops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, he is actually 128. I remembered the story wrong, and I was also kinda stoned when I wrote that, lol. Here's the story:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/latam/201706201054798602-argentina-hitler-nazi-treasure/#ampshare=https://sputniknews.com/latam/201706201054798602-argentina-hitler-nazi-treasure/
frogger2504 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still older than the oldest recorded person (122) but that's slightly more believable. It's quite possible that he was just never discovered. Dude is clearly not Hitler though.
Gucci__Flip__Flops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say he's clearly not Hitler, but yeah it's not that believable.
Gucci__Flip__Flops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say he's clearly not Hitler, but yeah it's not that believable.
frogger2504 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dude you are double posting every comment you make.
Gucci__Flip__Flops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figures. My Internet is shit rn and it keeps giving me errors
flakman129 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was an interesting mini series on American Heroes Channel a year or so ago featuring a group piecing together evidence that suggests he may have fled to Argentina.
Monsterbreda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah why would he commit suicide, really? And it they found him alive i am pretty sure he would be brought in for questioning about all the hidden nazi gold.
beware_the_spooks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as evidence of death goes. Osama Bin Laden would like to join that club!
Bullshit_To_Go ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might like The Berkut by Joseph Heywood. Great novel about Hitler escaping Berlin at the end of the war. In the book his double takes one for the team in the bunker and Hitler escapes right under the noses of the Soviet forces, disguised and travelling with a small force of commandos, mostly young women, with both Soviet and American agents in pursuit. The climax is . . . satisfying.
Stairway_to_heaven19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:10:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That last bit sounded like it was spoken by Raymond Holt.
cgvet9702 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a book called The Berkut by Joseph Heywood which is the fictional story of this scenario. I love history, WWII, and speculative fiction and I re-read this book every couple years. It's unbelievably good.
Jon_Boopin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The FBI even says he didn't die in the bunker
Enjolras1781 ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 20:42:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what, if he lived long enough to see almost every Holocaust survivor have children and grandchildren, that's almost worth it.
MordorsFinest ยท 534 points ยท Posted at 22:23:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really
BoofingPalcohol ยท 324 points ยท Posted at 23:15:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even a little, actually.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:24:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they're referencing him surviving to see his legacy destroyed and himself marked as evil incarnate, not the holocaust itself.
MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly, if anything he made a very accurate prediction as to what the world would look like if he lost. The world fought him on the basis that he was wrong, and now we're well into the future and everything he thought would happen if he didn't win the war came true.
chappersyo ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 00:17:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he means worth Hitler not dying in 1945, not worth the holocaust.
wpiman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
omicron7e ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:17:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not?
1) Die in a bunker.
2) Live and see:
All of your surviving subordinates be tried in court
The people you tried to kill be liberated
The world agree that you and your followers are the most stereotypical enemies in modern history
Your beloved nation to be torn in two and left in a ruinous state under the control of your enemies
Your opponent countries become the most powerful nations in the world
Your name become the most hated in modern usage and be used as synonymous with evil
Your descendants be so guilt-ridden by your actions that they purposefully forgo having children
Your life's work fail.
Also, you have to live the rest of your life in hiding, for fear that if it becomes widely believed that you are alive, you will be tried in front of the world and without-a-doubt found guilty and executed publicly.
And , if you ever have a change of heart, you have to live with the fact that you agree with the world's perception of you and face all of the suffering that you caused.
2 sounds worse in the long run to me. 1 provides that instant satisfaction that we all crave, but 2 is more drawn out and painful.
ralmeida ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:47:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes no sense... "you killed millions of people, and as a punishment we'll let you live to see their descendants. Take that!"
AliveFromNewYork ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:08:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the idea is that even though he tried to destroy many minorities he still failed. Jews got their promise land and he would have seen as they won Isreal and continued to flourish. He would have seen gay people get more and more rights. T He would have seen the civil rights movement successes. He would have seen that his whole movement was an utter failure and that the human spirit persevered in spite of him.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aUnicornFart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could be wrong but I don't think he's talking about the holocaust happening or not. He's talking about whether or not he lived. Or maybe you knew that and I'm not looking at this correctly? What is life?
AliveFromNewYork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I meant like if everything happened as it happened BUT Hitler secretly survived. It's not like him secretly living would be that bad. He didn't stand trial but other than that the world was able to recover pretty well.
DisplacedLeprechaun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:07:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only doesn't make sense if you believe in the afterlife. If you don't, then Hitler living on without any power or wealth in a world that has turned him into an insult and a joke, watching the people he tried to exterminate not only survive but actually thrive to the point that several key global industries are pretty much run by them, and knowing all the while that he fucking failed? Sounds like a pretty good punishment to me. Pain is brief, death is quick, but shame like that? That's some juicy shit.
AmericasNextDankMeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what are your thoughts on the capital punishment?
ralmeida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm vehemently against it. I'm from Brazil, and our constitution has an immutable clause against it, and I think it's awesome.
I just don't think Hitler growing old to see descendants of the holocaust makes it "almost worth" him not being killed in Berlin.
AmericasNextDankMeme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't killed, he killed himself: but if he was captured, do you think he should have been left alive?
happystamps ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:04:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a theory he escaped to Argentina and like the idea that he lived the rest of his life being pretty much shat on by everyone in the world.
charpenette ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:32:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless he's still alive today. Then he'd be gratified with the Neo Nazi movement.
Edit: forgot the /s. Sigh.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:55:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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-Balgruuf- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:42:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they were the Nazis. In fiction they're always looking for some nice piece of paranormal ass that makes them immortal or rich, probably as a slight spoof of Indiana Jones.
However, if it were a real thing, he'd be dead by the 60s or 70s due to radiation poisioning because radioactive rock looks magic and was believed to make people live longer back then :P
tumsdout ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:57:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it since so many of them are actually of mixed heritage or otherwise impure by his standards
tronoz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every life is scared hurr durr!!!
Bantheshroom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:09:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can believe this. It is possible he could have been smuggled to Nazi-occupied Denmark waaaaay before the Russians got there and got on a U-boat then straight to South America
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:07:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did though. I am not going into evidence debate: It wasn't his style to hide like that, on the run. He was a bit of a drama queen.
SkeletorJellytor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't prove that. Just like I can't prove he escaped.
As for your comment on his "style"; I believe most people would abandon any semblance of "style" when it comes to life or death.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:13:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not Hitler. He threathened to kill himself multiple times before. It was inline with Nazi ideology.
SkeletorJellytor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:15:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy to talk big when you don't have anything to lose. But when death is knocking at your door step, you might rethink your stances to just live another day.
But I think it's one of those things we will never know for sure. All we know is the official story. Which could be right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's the most viable scenario. The others are too iffy.
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All them are iffy, that is why its discussed/
keef_hernandez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't prove he wasn't rescued by aliens from Mars, but we can determine what the preponderance of evidence suggests.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:48:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, so that's why Theon Grayjoy was there.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:54:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a rumor he escaped to Switzerland -- in my opinion China is a possibility too
SkeletorJellytor ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:57:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have been interesting to know his thoughts/opinions about the geo-political climate post-WW2.
cld8 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:34:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, sometimes I feel like we shouldn't execute such people. Due to all the things they accomplished (bad things, but nonetheless), they might have valuable insights for psychologists and sociologists.
Gigadweeb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:19:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think he would really offer anyone anything? No. He also would've been a symbol of hope for all aspiring white supremacist scumbags out there. If Hitler did get captured, he should've been executed like a dog in front of a mass crowd.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 23:03:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
kielbasa330 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes I'm sure he would blend right in in China.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China is a big place - many different kinds of people and places to hide
sonia72quebec ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:24:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can"t believe people would have been able to keep a secret that big.
n1c0_ds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when witnesses survived the war. Also why pretend they didn't find the body for a while then tell Zhukov they did? The guy never lived that one down.
pumpinpat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently there was a German commune just outside Cordoba, Argentina and there was a maid who wrote in her diary about Hitler and hearing he was wanted.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Argentina. NO way he died in Berlin.
mtriper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go to Villa La Angostura in Argentina, spend a week there talking to the locals in the rural areas, visit Inalco and you'll know.
inmatarian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is video evidence of hitler escaping: https://youtu.be/b95uzAfRET4
Pickle9775 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stalin was actually super paranoid about the whereabouts of Hitler's remains. He was aware of how Lenin's body was laid in State as a part of a "shrine to Bolshevism" and was afraid that future generations would use Hitler's body as a shrine to Nazism.
aj0220 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you happen to watch that Netflix conspiracy show? Sounds exactly like the one about Adolf.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah Hitler is a trans guy.
noydbshield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the picture of Hitler committing suicide and suggesting that present day nazis follow their leader isn't historically accurate?
Oh well. Gets the point across.
LongDickOfTheLaw69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't link now because I'm on mobile, but r/askhistorians has a detailed write up on this in their FAQ. It gives pretty strong evidence that Hitler definitely shot himself.
Rosssauced ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK also thought he may have.
We don't want to believe it but there is a chance this monster was allowed to live to life to a ripe old age and die surrounded by loved ones.
Or not who knows I wasn't there.
WolfeBane84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, he went into the future with the Die Glocke and received immortality. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
an0nymouse123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the same thing about Osama Bin Ladin's death. Not sure if this has been brought up before. The fact that they "buried him in the sea" or some bullshit the way his "religion's custom demands" just made me laugh. Also no photos or videos. They were destroyed apparently lol.
Asimov_800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they buried him at sea because of Muslim custom. They didn't want his grave to become a shrine, and cremating forbidden in Islamic teachings, so putting his body in the ocean was an effective way of disposing of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bin Laden's body wasn't buried in the sea to observe Islamic customs, it was done that way to defile his corpse. If he's in the ocean they can't build a shrine to him, and it hits some trick or other with Islamic law where he can't be considered a martyr or something to that effect. From what I was aware it had been a standing order since the Bush administration to do that to him.
redditor4258 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stalin was very paranoid though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it better if hitler lived? Imagine an egotistical guy like that spending the rest of his life being reminded he was the worlds definition of the worst human being ever
[deleted] ยท 5124 points ยท Posted at 21:09:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3505 points ยท Posted at 23:04:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, people like Elijah Wood have outright said that there are tons of them in Hollywood, so I wouldn't doubt it
Reddit_means_Porn ยท 2477 points ยท Posted at 00:28:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tons of Hollywood folks say that. Why do you think so many child stars come out the other side totally fucking nuts.
[deleted] ยท 1542 points ยท Posted at 01:24:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stress and drugs are also probably a large part of it.
trapper2530 ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 03:04:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stress and drugged so they can rape them.
zaklein ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 04:18:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tbf enough stress and drugs will fuck you up pretty bad even if there isn't any rape involved
[deleted] ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 05:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tbh enough rape will fuck you up pretty bad even if there isn't any drugs involved.
PM_ME_YOUR_BOOK_IDEA ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:57:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and it can fuck you up enough to get you into drugs to try to forget it all.
SeasickSykes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:19:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read about Kevin Spacey a little bit.... I work on films and heard the other day the reason he wore glasses in K Pax was because on the second day of shooting they needed a re-write because a young lad had give him a shiner the evening before, glasses was the solution.
There are also many other accounts about how seedy he is, wandering parks in the early morning, and stocking roofies for use at parties...and such, this would also explain the homosexual rumours, and why he's so good at playing essentially what is himself in the movies, a perverted psychopath.
PM_Me_Rude_Haiku ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:42:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Kevin Spacey's character Prot wore glasses for the whole of the books, too. The planet K-Pax was in a perpetual twilight and Prot could see in the ultraviolet end of the spectrum, so he wore glasses as earth's bright lights gave him a headache.
edit: This says nothing one way or the other about Spacey's alleged seediness though.
SeasickSykes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:48:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right there i think, which makes me wonder whether it's a story about the type of glasses they chose to use instead then, chinese whipsers totally has a role here, but like you say, i do not for a moment disbelieve the other things i've read about him.
Another really interesting point is that his old man was a Nazi apologist who also abused him and his brother while they were younger and whilst I cannot find anything online about it, apparently he had lots of Nazi memorabilia and I don't doubt for a second that the Nazi plate that you see in American Beauty legitmately belonged to his Dad, or instead it was Spacey's idea to have that angle in the script.
PM_Me_Rude_Haiku ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:18:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And he told fibs to the police cos he's a mug.
SeasickSykes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if he tried abusing this guy, and he got clocked by him in the park, which is where the head injury came from... i mean... the whole story reeks.
PM_Me_Rude_Haiku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kevin Spacey just won't stop abusing everyone, everywhere he goes. I heard he keeps jumper cables in his back pocket at all times, just in case he gets a chance to beat someone with them.
platinumcreatine ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:13:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're being down voted bc people on reddit fucking love kevin spacey
SeasickSykes ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:26:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I fully accept that it's not what anyone wants to hear, he's a fantastic "actor", I loved him as well, i was gutted when I found out but i'm not going to defend a predator because he's a good actor.
To those reading this who're downvoting me, get over yourselves and read into it, whilst what you find online "could" be deemed as rumour let me tell you this, i know several actors and actresses who were coming through the ranks in London while Spacey was artistic director at the Old Vic, the stories of aftershow parties and the shennaignas he got up to are vile, it's a small world when you're part of it and i'm not gonna pretend it doesn't exist, if it was an average joe, you'd be calling for his or her head, but because i'm a nobody compared to him, i'm making it all up.
Spacey has power... power can be and often is abused, simple.
b_port ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:54:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you've made a ton of different claims about him and not sourced a single one. I tried googling things about him, and the only thing I found was a dailymail article about the park incident that also talked about him maybe being gay.
The park incident was odd, but there's not enough information to make him seem like a horrible person as you seem to think he is.
SeasickSykes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:37 on October 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a heads up.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-41799026
bracake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard enough about Spacey that I'm cautious about him now. Not that I actively believe he's this pedophile/rapist, but enough that if accusations or more concrete rumours came out I am not going to be defending him.
SeasickSykes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two things to consider from what i've been told, from sources that like i've said, have been in and amongst it;
:/
PawneeParksDept ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:16 on November 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. You were freaking right about Spacey.
Gnash_ ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:13:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they're a consequence
Skidvish ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:06:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a link w/ Corey Feldman where he talks about it. https://www.google.com/amp/people.com/celebrity/corey-feldman-on-child-sexual-abuse-in-hollywood-and-corey-haim/amp/ not sure how prevelabt it is but also think of bill Cosby. I mean, shit
WriterVAgentleman ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:32:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Side effect and a coping mechanism.
NamelessNamek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:23:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't always start like that
itsthevoiceman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:56:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And once you have lots of money, drugs flow like water.
weirdb0bby ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:12:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think being given a ton of money and attention in your formative years can do quite a number on its own.
DanTheFireman ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 03:21:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may be true, but most people don't turn to hard drugs simply due to stress. Most people who do meth and other hard drugs are running from terrible demons. A client of mine who is absolutely psychotic said this to me yesterday. Paraphrasing - "Why take a drug that gets rid of the pain but makes you tired and unable to function? That's why I self medicate (referring to meth). It takes the pain away and I get the energy to do the things I need to do".
Vio_ ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 04:28:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These aren't most people. Hollywood is riddled with drugs and almost no parental oversight for a lot of child actors. It doesn't take a whole lot for them to get invited to parties, have access to booze and drugs, be told that they're super important and popular and pretty and part of the in crowd.
If you're 15 or 16 and everyone wants to be your friend and get high, then it's hard to turn that down.
[deleted] ยท -72 points ยท Posted at 03:32:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DanTheFireman ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:43:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you say that?
NewAccount4Friday ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:52:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Demons
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And acting.
VikingTeddy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the holy shit.
roadrunnuh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:17:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone has demons. Some are big and scary, some are smaller and pestering. But we all got em.
Dark_Vengence ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:30:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taylor momsen aka jenny from gossip girl was smoking and drinking when she was young. She said it was easy to get and she was 14 when she started. She does drugs too and is totally off the rails. Also drew barrymore was a mess.
donutflyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe a common coping mechanism for it.
Physical_removal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And rape
megalodonqueen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:44:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stress of being sexually abused makes many people turn to drugs.
b3n5p34km4n ยท -98 points ยท Posted at 02:17:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what, you're right. In fact, that probably explains all the rest of these conspiracy theories. You're so smart and rational, way to go!
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 02:32:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a little curious here. I'm assuming that was sarcasm, but what prompted the hostility?
NocturnalToxin ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 02:51:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stress and drugs.
Ed_ButteredToast ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 03:05:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(โ๏พใฎ๏พ)โ
m1serablist ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 06:02:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting to bang mila kunis. If i could bang her even once, i'd be on the streets talking to the lamp posts
anumati ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:25:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if only one out of 500 Hollywood people encountered by a child star is a pedophile, that one is enough if they get a chance to abuse the kid. And we know that pedophiles like to form cliques based on their shudder common interest.
Nobodygrotesque ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:59:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Corey Feldman say that the other Corey was raped on set one time?
AHopelessSemantic ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:10:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good old Dan "Get in the Van" Schneider
Fallenangel152 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:28:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drew Barrymore did well to come out okay. She was smoking by 9, drinking by 11, using marijuana by 12 and cocaine by 13. She was at nightclubs 5 nights a week at 13 taking drugs and "socializing" with older men. She was in rehab and checked herself into a mental institution by 14.
Most child actors are groomed into drugs and sex very young.
brassmonkeybb ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:23:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to be honest, and I don't mean to make light of the trauma child stars have been through, the caliber of acting coming from child stars is getting better and better as compared to the 70s/80s. I believe that the group of producers who diddle kids is getting smaller and smaller because they aren't hiring so much on their parents willingness to let their children be molested and more so on the actually talent of the child. Just my theory, and it makes me feel good that it may be getting better a little on it's own.
rathemighty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:49:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, every generation, we raise, adore, and sacrifice a starlet for Harvest Time
c0nn4h ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:33:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me think of macauley caulkin:(
xXxNoScopeMLGxXx ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that does explain Miley Cyrus...
Keldon888 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:02:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah that's Disney syndrome, you don't get to have any teenage rebellion when your look is entirely mandated by working on a TV show so when you are loosed on the world you go into it with resources no one else in that situation would have.
bracake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even think that was that. Miley Cyrus does not strike me as an out of control crazy party chick - that was just her meticulously cultivated image that she put out in order to transition into being an adult pop star. Clever marketing technique, it totally worked and when it showed signs of age she transitioned back into more country girl music earlier this year. The woman knows what she's doing.
IveAlreadyWon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I think as well. She had to break out of her Hannah(sp?) Montana image, and going "crazy" helped separate her from it. She didn't do anything too crazy, and just acted the fool on stage that one time, and it stuck for a while which caused people to forget about her Disney days.
CynicalSquirrel ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 01:46:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that was more of an attention grab, and her trying to give herself a more "mature" image.
kaileyhjartist ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:02:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the pedos no longer want you once you're mature
TheGreat9 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They probably spend too much time on /r/tifu
severed13 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 04:04:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh reddit
strangervisitor ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 02:58:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the catholic church has proven anything, is that large organisations that people love can get away with child diddling and infant murders. Doesn't surprise me that an even more loved institution like Hollywood could do the same.
Trumps__America ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 04:14:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a challenging point to make, so please take it with a grain of salt. But I don't think hollywood and the catholic church are comparable. Hollywood is an industry but involves lots of smaller groups competing for limited resources. For example, you'll have 3 different agencies representing 20 leading men who are all competing for the same job. The Catholic Church is a huge institution that runs from the top down, so you'll have one opening and you'll have a chain of command who will dictate who will take that position. The bigger point is it's easier to cover up terrible behavior in a more centralized environment.
The most important point is that a lot of people who have / had urges that are terrible (or were viewed as terrible) went into the church because they thought that the vow of celibacy and the closeness with God would help them get past it. Gay men used to flock to the church because it absolved them of having to marry and have sex with women. Sauce: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/04/20/how_the_catholic_priesthood_became_a_haven_for_many_gay_men.html
I don't equate the two but I do believe the catholic church, and ALL churches, attract pedophiles for the same reason. I think initially it's a place where they can be in a sex free environment and aren't expected to be sexual beings.
However, I think a lot of pedophiles single out churches because of the trust the flock places in the pastors. The catholic church gets a bad rap because it's so centralized. Protestant churches have HUGE numbers of pedophiles but it's not a conspiracy when it's a decentralized group.
UNSTABLETON_LIVE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:32:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally respect and understand your point, but the incidence of pedophilia in the Catholic Church is comparable to that of the general population. The church just covered it up.
rupertdyland ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:07:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he didn't he was taken out of context
lonelyboats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:25:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what do you mean?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:01:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This article probably helps. Includes links to Tweets where he said he had been taken out of context. Said he was referencing a powerful documentary he had watched about it and said he hadnt experienced it first hand.
rupertdyland ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:52:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evidence, someone saying there are copious amounts of sexual predators in every high powered industry needs to provide some proof if you want me to believe them.
lonelyboats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean how was what he said taken out of context
rupertdyland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said it himself, reddit just ran with it because they're dumbfucks
rupertdyland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downvoted for asking her proof of peadphile activity?
mrchu39 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:57:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he's trying to throw us off his trail ๐ค
MiltonFine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:31:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Throw us off his trail"
What, do you think we're Gollum?
ExtremelyQualified ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the explanation for why there would be a higher percentage in Hollywood than anywhere else?
jonseagull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:04:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Access and high stakes and incentive to keep it quiet (want to keep getting that big money, possibly paid off at times).
PermitStains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the rumor was that Chris Cornell was investigating this and getting evidence. That's why he was killed. Chester bennington continued the investigation and got killed also.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he didn't.
WAR_TROPHIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when did he say this?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:19:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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-MURS- ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:43:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streeeetch
quidam08 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:44:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh what're you talking about?
GoldenWizard ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 01:35:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay but we'd hear a lot more than one celeb saying it if it were true right? Unless literally everyone except Elijah Wood is a pedophile or an enabler which I seriously doubt... are there other claims of this out there?
BearyPotter ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 01:56:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Corey Feldman has been talking about it for years. He blames it for Corey Haim's death.
MY-HARD-BOILED-EGGS ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:16:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. It's amazing how this is actually a real thing and yet it seems like nobody is doing anything about it/talking about it nearly as much as they should.
derpman86 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:31:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is always a large culture of silence and wilful ignorance about these things especially as seen when things are exposed like with the catholic church.
The victims often don't say anything for varying and obvious reasons, people suspect or know things go on but keep quiet out of fear and the amazing human ability of "not my problem".
Also there is connections with these groups often with powerful people in other circles like politics, business or the police which help stop any sort of exposure to this.
bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:30:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've heard a lot more than one celeb saying it.
GoldenWizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I haven't. Iv'e heard one person in this thread give a second example and that's it...
LettuceWouldntFit ยท 963 points ยท Posted at 23:09:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That documentary, the one that's the top documentary on /r/documentaries, is a big reason as to why I believe this as well.
EDIT: it's called "An Open Secret". I decided not to be lazy and just look for it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/5k6pnd/an_open_secret_2014_an_investigation_into_rampant/?st=J6E7BHMY&sh=91d4462c
MustachedBaby ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 01:07:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To add to this, listen to The Last Podcast on the Left, episodes 119 and 120 on the Franklin cover up. Really interesting stuff.
iAmbassador ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:43:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched it, and I believe much of it is true, but it's very interesting that Michael Egan's story (which was a large portion of the emotional pull) later came out as fabricated. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-egan-apologies-20150607-story.html
virry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:26 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe Brian Singer still gets jobs after that
MY-HARD-BOILED-EGGS ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:31:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ, the derailing comments in that thread. Why the hell are people making it about Trump just because OP is a t_d poster? I mean, why turn the serious issue of pedophilia in Hollywood into some needless circlejerk political showdown?
ZubacToReality ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 01:27:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't happen but that was literally 1 story. How does it prove it's "rampant" in Hollywood?
innerpeice ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:55:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of child stars from the eighties have come forward regarding this, as well as Robert downie junior, elijah wood, the kids from lost boys and stand by me.a lot
HaggisHaggisHaggis ยท 858 points ยท Posted at 23:57:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rampant pedophilia in Hollywood is a known fact.
Also, ever heard of the child sex ring the British government and Jimmy Saville were involved in?
Shinkletwit ยท 253 points ยท Posted at 01:53:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention this was all covered up nicely by the BBC
stupidname91919 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 03:01:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When they tried to expose it, the MET came into their offices, opened up their computers, and smashed the harddrives with hammers.
Shinkletwit ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 03:11:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty shit when I don't know if this is satire or not
KinglyWeevil ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:37:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't.
skynet2175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to planet Earth you feeble human >:)
innerpeice ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this real? What's the MET?
Keldon888 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:04:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Metropolitan Police Service.
London's cops.
stupidname91919 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 04:09:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read it in a British news publication. Tried to find the source later but couldn't.
Its pointless to smash hard drives anyways since everyone backs things up. This was done to intimidate the BBC after they reported on the Westminster pedophile dossier going missing, and later turning up in a retired cops home.
ekobeko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:29:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
michaelisnotginger ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:20:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no it wasn't you are conflating this with MI5 destroying Guardian newspaper harddrives around the Snowden saga.
Shinkletwit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:56:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally takes two seconds to google "BBc covering up child abuse"
Shinkletwit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally takes two seconds to google "BBc covering up child abuse"
JohanEmil007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:41:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The BBC and the Police.
Rapturesjoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:05 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also to not mention that it was only aired after Saville died.
TylerBlozak ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 03:23:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Who were frequent guests on Saville's Top of the Pops program, and so naturally Saville and Townshend developed a good friendship.
On the allegations against Saville at the time of his death, Townshend had this to say:
That's a seemingly pretty loyal friend for someone as infamous as Jimmy Saville.
Then you find out Pete Townshend was arrested in 2003 for purchasing child pornography with a credit card, and he comes out with this defence:
It's really disheartening to find out that people whom millions adore are such scum.
Vio_ ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:31:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also blamed his grandmother for it as well.
It really soured me on The Who, and it was especially ironic with their big CSI revival.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sphen5117 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:52:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He sounds like a pretty bad pedophile if that is true, sure, but writing a song on the topic isn't the tell. Someone else could creare something similar, simply drawing on their own experiencnes for it. Art, movies, music, etc. that are unafraid to speak on these topics (and that obviously aren't glorifying them) are important. So please don't assume art on difficult topics is a surefire sign of the artist being a terrible monster.
commentator9876 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:53:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit misleading of you to mention this and not mention that he was completely cleared on all charges.
Moreover, the fact that investigatory journalist Duncan Campbell worked on and spoke to his defence is worth (in my eyes) a very great deal. Campbell is a diligent journalist and a man of integrity (both sadly rare things these days).
Operation Ore was the landmark case where British Police realised they had fallen badly behind the curve with technology and made some major fuckups with regards to not properly detecting credit card fraud (i.e. arresting and in some cases prosecuting people who had been the victims of card/identity theft). Being arrested does not make someone guilty. It means the Police would like a word. Nothing more, nothing less - Christopher Jeffries won substantial awards when various scum red-tops decided that being arrested meant he was guilty of murdering Jo Yeates and libelled him (they were later slapped with contempt of court findings by the Attorney General).
umphish41 ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 05:02:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever thought that maybe pedophiles can't control what their sexual urges gravitate towards and often feel absolutely horrible about it...and worse, still, know there's nothing they can do about it?
I'm entirely anti-pedo (who isn't?) but people need to recognize it's often times an uncontrollable mental illness, and those those afflicted by it suffer a great deal. They aren't all just "scumbags."
MY-HARD-BOILED-EGGS ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 05:44:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had people say this to me about my bipolar disorder and it was one of the contributing factors to me having spent half a decade thinking I was going to suffer for the rest of my life because of something I had no control over. Treatment certainly worked, but no amount of medication can control every single aspect of your condition. You need to put in so much effort to get moving.
We can't think like this, plain and simple. Yes, some mental conditions are impossible to control without treatment, but this is one of those issues people can work at controlling. If we can subdue our own own urges, innate or otherwise, pedophiles can sure as hell suppress theirs.
umphish41 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:42:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, I agree with this, but most pedos won't even seek help for fear of stigma or being reported to police.
Imagine being bipolar and having little to no support. How would you cope?
MY-HARD-BOILED-EGGS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:49:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, given society's vast mistreatment and ignorance of mental illness today, I'm no stranger to having little to no support. But feeling like you have zero control over your day-to-day moods/general outlook on life and having a deviant interest in children are miles from being similar. The latter is something one knows one objectively should not feel or do; it's common sense to want to control this, even more so than bipolar disorder, which is something that can't really be defined as unethical.
umphish41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you and understand, but I don't think their equitable comparisons. Most people won't look at you like you deserve to die when you tell them you're bipolar. Pedophiles get a little bit of a different reception.
Sphen5117 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:58:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish you weren't being downvoted. Pedophilia is definitely an illness. When a problem is causing pain, you address the problem. A pedophile has a mental issue, he/she should be treated. As a society, this is THE BEST approach for us in terms of actual results.
Of course I am not defending the actions of pedophilia.
But watching people have such a shitty grasp of mental health is wildly depressing. Downvoters, please do not treat people you know with mental illness as simply bad people. Please respect the importance of mental health.
umphish41 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:36 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really care about up or down votes, it's about having a discussion... so any takers will do. I have a degree in neuroscience. I understand the brain just a liiiiittle bit more than the average person. Pedophilia, generally, is not a choice or something people want to experience. It's really quite sad that the few sick bastards give a lot of people who are sick a bad name.
bacon_cake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:43:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So vast is the governmental child sex scandal and so intertwined are the upper echelons of society in this country that when the head of the investigation resigned they actually couldn't find anyone to run the committee who wasn't involved in some way with someone who had been accused.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:30:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pidjesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:09 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty creepy, i'm certain this was privated by someone in the higher up
rupertdyland ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:08:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Known fact? Show me proof please?
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 03:20:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you just asked for Hollywood Child Porn.
rupertdyland ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:17:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I asked for proof of this so called epidemic of paedophilia in Hollywood that people thing happens on this site.
b_port ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're totally fair to ask for proof, and no one here is posting any, they're just downvoting you for asking.
But I guess anecdotes from Elijah Woods and Robert Downey JR. are all reddit needs for proof...
rupertdyland ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robert downey jr? And EW said he knows nothing aswell afterwards on twitter.
b_port ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, I saw someone mention him in the comments above. But yeah exactly, there is literally no proof, and this is one conspiracy that a ton of redditors believe.
dmizenopants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're now on a list for asking for Hollywood Child Porn, or HCP as it's known in the biz
rupertdyland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all these threads reddit quotes rumours and allegations as fact because they've read them on reddit or fringe parts of the internet.
Jimmy Saville is obviously true. Paedophiles in the british government is true too but we only really have proof at the individual level.
There was the Paedophile Information Exchange advocacy group in the 60s when sexuality was being reevaluated so has some historical mitigation. (At this time homosexuality and paedophilia were often conflated and starting to be disentangled).
There isn't any evidence of a paedophile ring in the government as far as I know. If there was then I think it could come out in the next 50 years as everyone directly involved would be dead.
[deleted] ยท 515 points ยท Posted at 22:52:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you're compromised by being on video doing something most people would beat you to death for, you ain't ever coming clean. Ever.
lovableMisogynist ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:11:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man. that was a much more concise, straightforward and comprehendable way of saying what I tried to here https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6tuyxo/what_conspiracy_theory_are_you_certain_is_true_why/dlojvtd/
thatsyourcat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:28:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, I just figured out Black Mirror.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:32:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is the reason for it. Like what if everyone who goes to a bilderburg meeting has to be filmed sexually abusing a kid, probly the worst possible crime you could commit and if you go to prison with a charge like that your lucky to last a week. They do this for absolute insurance that the people who attend to meetings NEVER speak about what goes on there.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:23:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ELI5 Bilderburg?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:59:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google would do a far better job of that.
SippantheSwede ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:35:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So ironically, if people in general were more lenient with pedophiles, a few more of them might actually own up, seek help, and in the long run it'd end up safer for the kids?
MarmotSlayer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:52:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Louie ck had a bit about this.
Sniffygull ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:30:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course this takes us even deeper with several female comedians talking about how CK has sexually assaulted them.
Naturally we're a year out from the little bit of attention the claims got and they've been snuffed just like the early claims of Cosby being a rapist.
Which is also now basically out of the public's awareness.
MarmotSlayer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you even saying?
octobertwins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, remember when that actor said he flashed his daughters friend? And confessed to his wife and sought help?
He was a priest on 7th Heaven, I think.
That was some freaky ass shit!
x7he6uitar6uy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're a pop punk band. Then, it's weird not to have dirt on you.
Rob_Cartman ยท 307 points ยท Posted at 00:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
look at all of jimmy Savils connections. here is a photo of Savile with prince Charles. here is Savile at Haut de la Garenne (childrens home where kids were tortured and murdered). savile has also been linked to the moors murders and the Yorkshire Ripper and may have killed and admited it. this isnt even half the rumors and stories about that sick fuck. edit: ive been informed i misidentified a man in the first photo. i will do more research next time.
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 03:58:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Savil molested dozens of deaf orphans and also banged sick children- I mean this guy was a real jerk.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:21:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The light was on."
marioman327 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 04:21:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In June 2014, investigations into Savile's activities in 28 NHS hospitals, including Leeds General Infirmary and Broadmoor psychiatric hospital, concluded that he had sexually assaulted staff and patients aged between five and 75 throughout several decades.
The_Farting_Duck ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:02:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't forget the corpses!
GetOutOfBox ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 04:58:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoooooooold up. I'm not surprised Prince Charles met with Savile, because basically until after his death he was a very prominent public figure. But WTF is Thomas Hamilton doing with them and holy shit put two and two together; Savile is a pedo, Hamilton murdered 16 children, Prince Charles hung out with both of these guys simultaneously. I mean fuck what? Where's the proof that's him?
EDIT: It's not Thomas Hamilton, it's Deputy Lord Lieutenant Ian Thornber, which makes a hell of a lot more sense. Oddly enough though Google gives nothing but more conspiracy sites when I google the Deputy's name, with the exception of a DailyMail article labeling him as the Deputy.
deathschemist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:17:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
prince charles has rather a unique and well-known look. that's definitely him.
and there's definitely saville there, as he was even more recognisable than charles.
as for hamilton, the problem is he was pretty nondescript, however, from pictures of hamilton that exist, i'm 75% sure that is him.
Rob_Cartman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:32:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i compared the photo i linked above and another photo that seems to be taken at about the same time and compared it to pictures of Hamilton before i posted. im fairly sure its the same person.
commentator9876 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:15:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't see his face in that photo!
I know it's the DM, but unless they're in on the conspiracy, they've captioned it as a Deputy Lord Lieutenant, which is consistent with what you would expect if a senior royal were visiting an area. The LL or a DL is supposed to organise and support royal visits - that's their main role as the Monarch's local representative.
Hamilton had one of those strangely non-descript faces. I know two people who - if you changed their hair and glasses - would also pass as Hamilton from a distance. Remarkably, neither is!
Rob_Cartman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he does have a very nondescript face so i (and others) may have misidentified the photo. the files related to dunblane are locked for about another 80 years so theres something not right about the whole thing.
commentator9876 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:30:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DM says no (I know). But it seems unlikely the DM would make such a mistake. Moreover, it fits the context. The Lord Lieutenant is the Monarch's local representative in a Lieutenancy. One of their roles is to organise/support royal visits. It makes absolute sense that the LL or one of their Deputies (such as Iain Thornber) would be present/a guide on a tour/visit by a senior royal.
By contrast, what would Hamilton have been doing there?
commentator9876 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:08:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not Thomas Hamilton. It's Deputy Lord Lieutenant Ian Thornber. They do bear a resemblance to one another but that's it.
GetOutOfBox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I figured it was someone else. Charles really would not have walked around with the guy in broad daylight if he were somehow involved with him.
commentator9876 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:06:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sir, are far too easily taken in by conspiracy theorists. A simple google would have told you that the guy on the right is Deputy Lord Lieutenant Ian Thornber. He does bear a passing resemblance to Hamilton, but that's where it ends.
If you're going to sling around those sorts of allegations, do the most basic of bare fact-checking first.
Rob_Cartman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i updated my post thanks for the info.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:00:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That piece of shit got to live to old age.
anteloop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:39:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know an awful lot about it, but Haut de le Garenne is located in Jersey, where I am from. Recently heard my first story regarding a friends family members experience as a child there, lets just say shit is fucked.
Rob_Cartman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:36:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tip of the iceberg dude. anonymous did an investigation called "OPDeathEaters" into what they called "Pedosadism". it was looking like it went deep but got way too fucked up for me so i stopped keeping track. most information seems to have been scrubbed but if you look hard you can find bits. be warned its like savile but worse.
anteloop ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very recently I have been looking into things myself, I was learning though a different channel of information. More about the history of such things, how people in places of power manipulate to allow these things to happen, and to an extent become part of the fabric of our degrading societies. I mean, you just have to take one look at Hollywood to begin with.
Rob_Cartman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:48:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or if you really want to put your tinfoil hat on the freemasons. a mason sprayed weedkiller down my mums throat and the police went to see him first. the masons are old and undoubtedly have alot of power in England atleast.
anteloop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:55:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mason did that? A mad alley cat once scratched me, I've treated all cats as lower beasts since then!
Seriously though (bad joke) I wouldn't know. My Grandfather was a Scottish Mason (Wizard level or some shit), I know really very little about it all. A local Masonic Temple has begun having open days, not that it makes them innocent which is funny to me.
Rob_Cartman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:35:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes a mason really did that. it was actually more trying to kill her for asking him not to spray weedkiller on our garden (particularly her small food patch) again. i also heard of a son of a mason who never really knew his dad but when he killed somebody (stabbed, probably self defense) he got a light sentence.
anteloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think my first conspiracy theory that I got into was Free Masonry, Illuminati shit etc, at the time it seemed to correlate to things like that, people getting away with shit mainly.
That is fucked though, what happened to your mom after that happened? If you don't mind answering.
Rob_Cartman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my mum asked them to take her cloths for testing which they did and held them as evidence for a while then they said they could not test them in anyway that would be admissible in court and did nothing. it may also be worth noting that my mum has a problem with her arm that means she is incapable of lifting anything mildly heavy let alone defend herself.
anteloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The clothes testing sounds unfortunately like a coincidence benefiting somebody who already had means to away with it. Collating that evidence with eye witness accounts etc would have backed it up, not that I'm a even close to being a lawyer, but it sounds like you guys didn't even get a chance to do that. Is that right?
Rob_Cartman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there were witnesses but i dont think they said much to the police. we have had consistent bullying since we moved to this place. i wrote about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/6m7005/update_has_anyone_else_ever_been_harassed_by_a/djzkkut/
Cartervixx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:01:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never knew Hamilton had links with prince Charles. Wtf? Why?
Rob_Cartman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i dont know but the files on Dunblane are locked for the next 80 years.
commentator9876 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:23:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know what's in the locked files - the post mortems. The rest of the evidence was a matter of public record, and of course the report was published openly.
The conspiracy centres around the notion of a second shooter and wounds inconsistent with a single shooter who then committed suicide.
But of course we don't know, and since it's standard practice not to release all the gory pictures from autopsies, there's no actual significant basis for suggesting that they contain evidence of a coverup, or that the public coroner's report differed from the post mortem findings. People just want there to be something. It's hidden therefore it must be salacious. In reality it because they didn't want the Scum and Mirror running those pictures on their front pages out of respect to the victim's families.
commentator9876 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not Hamilton. It's the Deputy Lord Lieutenant for the area, who does - I admit - bear a passing resemblance (but then so would someone I know if you changed their hair and glasses - it's one of those nondescript faces).
hotpinkurinalmint ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:48:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophilia is everywhere and more common than we care to admit. What makes us think the rich or the powerful are exempt? If anything they are more likely to be fucked up because they can get away with it.
speak2easy ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 00:25:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wouldn't be surprising since it appears that having pedophilia tendencies run across all economic groups. People with power have money and connections, so it's reasonable to assume they'd pursue their passions (e.g. sexual urges), and have the means to do so.
AntithesisVI ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:01:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also having power leads you to want to use it in new and interesting ways. Ways that make you feel more and more powerful. Meanwhile it increasingly reduces your empathy for others. This means almost anyone could be twisted this way with the right environmental stimuli.
lovableMisogynist ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 01:10:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the next level of that conspiracy that I've heard, is the "shadow government" / "richer than rich" types who control "everything" in certain industries will make someone commit a crime such as pedophilia in order to buy loyalty from people who want "in"
of course, by the time you are at the point where they are making you commit the horrible act, you are faced with a life or death choice.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 02:40:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MrLomax ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:15:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow.
Xtinasauras-rex ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:47:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up scopolamine or devils breath. It's a drug from Columbia that turns people into zombies (willing to do whatever someone says and you seem sober to people who know you). Vice did a documentary on it. Scary shit.
lovableMisogynist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:45:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know something is serious shit when, (paraphrasing) the CIA say it "shows great promise, however dosage and results can be unreliable" when you're reading about mind control
Eggmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean couldn't you just skip a step and photoshop it. Just as effective and none of the drugging and mess that comes with it.
If you're powerful enough to be doing this you presumably have some media influence to put weight behind the threat
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:38:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need to get photos of everyone at the right angles and it lacks threat and punch. When it's real it has both threat and punch associated with guilt.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:02:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a theory on this a long time ago that made sense. The public "power figures" would be entertained by the shadow organizations at elaborate parties. They'd hook them up with drinks, drugs, women, and anything you could want. On the odd occasion they might intentionally throw someone in who is just slightly below the age of legal consent and when you made your move they'd basically have a vice grip on you.
IceNeun ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:12:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the sort of stuff communist governments in Europe used to do to get "normal people" and dissidents to turn into collaborators.
FireLucid ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 23:24:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure there have been repeated rumblings of this going on in the UK government with pretty high up people and some low level royals as well. Messed up.
Burningfiresmoke ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 04:33:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how legit this story is but I figure it's worth sharing.
My sister's boyfriend is a 45 -50 year old dude. They both met in rehab. This guy was a former crackhead so I don't know how seriously you guys should take it. The guy never seemed to be a bullshitter but you never know.
He had been in and out of rehab over the course of the past decade or so. Been clean 4 years since he met her. But in rehab he met a lot of broken people; different people who been through shit in life.
One of the guys that he knew in rehab was a recovering child abuse victim. He was an orphan and his step father was his pimp. He would adopt these kids and then fly them to other states and they would stay in hotel rooms. When the time would come they would either be visited by people or they would be taken to places where things would be done to them. The guy swore to my sister's BF outside of the meetings that one of the molesters/rapists was Bush Sr.
Here's the interesting part of the story. The molested kid, now recovering junkie, had step brothers that went through the same shit he did. One of his foster brothers was going to write a book about his experiences. I don't know if I got the details right but he was given 100k to not write the book. I'm not sure if the rights to the book were bought by someone anonymously but basically he was given money and told to be quiet.
This scared the foster brother who at this point decided it's a good idea to flee the country. Now as he is at the airport, he checks his bags and boards the plane. Before takeoff he is pulled of the plane by TSA because they found a Kilo of cocaine in his bag that wasn't even hidden. The guy got locked up.
I don't know how legit it is. This is a story told by a recovering heroin addict to a recovering crack addict. I found it convincing when I heard it.
Tldr: Didlers got some serious power if this story is true.
ITRWZK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:18:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems logical to me. Doenst mean that it happend but it wouldnt surprise me at all.
Snappycumback ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:19:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're interested look into the Franklin cover-up. Truly disgusting stuff and court testimonies. Last Podcast on the Left has a very disturbing series on this.
anumati ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:24:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, mostly because:
1) Being powerful lets people get away with shit - the pedophiles who have no respect/connections/money/lawyers are more likely to get caught just because people won't think twice about reporting them - imagine the difference between deciding to report on your trailer dwelling neighbor vs. deciding to report on a well respected politician or the district attorney.
2) Pedophiles gravitate to positions of social authority which they can use as a kind of shield to distract from who they actually are - They aren't Firstname Lastname, they're Title. Though, this one is not limited to pedophiles, non-pedophiles with control fetishes or thieves who think big do this too.
3) If a person has the ability to become a higher up in politics, business, etc, they are probably fairly intelligent. Meaning they are likely also smart enough to devise successful strategies for hiding their behavior and gaining access to victims.
ViolettLunaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that pedophiles gravitate towards positions of power. I used to go to a charter school in Chicago and from Kindergarten to third grade we had a principle that turned out to have thousands of photos of child porn on his computer. Sickening when I look back and think about how he always gave many kids super long hugs. Almost as if he knew them a little too well....Not to mention that when we found out many kids cried.
Zoronii ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:16:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the number of pedophiles in society in general are higher then people are lead to believe. It goes without saying that the number of active pedophiles would be surprisingly high, as well.
Rosssauced ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:26:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you have access to anything you could ever want at the snap of your fingers your desire to seek a thrill may become freakishly demented.
In the words of Scroobius Pip "When dreams are your day to day your dreams become dark."
I could see it and frankly I believe it too. Sex Trafficking is a huge issue in all social classes, the ultra rich just likely have greater resources to hide the lead.
Bobbyc006 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for Scroob
octobertwins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like every cult leader ends up raping the children. They can't just enjoy being worshipped by a bunch of people. They always end up raping everyone.
geedavey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:39:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I watch Doctor Who I think about the massive Jimmy Savile pedophilia coverup and wonder how far into the BBC it goes.
alltimeisrelative ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this happens in religion a lot too. The Keepers is a great example of how corrupt a church can be and how they, obviously, get away with it.
GingaSnapzzz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:14:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't call it "Pizzagate" because people will detest the idea altogether.
bundleogrundle ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:53:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pizza gate shit creeped me the fuck out and still does. Had to stop researching it for my own mental health. The night I decided to stop was when I got a Google ad on reddit to come to Thailand with a small pedo symbol to left of the text. I should have taken a screen shot of it but I immediately told Google to stop those kind of ads. After that I decided that that was enough.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:44:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:34:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of art? I've only ever read the conspiracy theories.. Not that I'm particularly convinced about it. I'm just curious as to what exactly sparked it all.
ITRWZK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:11:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
biljana djurdjevic.
Tell me what you want but if you hang shit like that in your living room you are a sicko.
octobertwins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. That made my stomach churn. I legit feel nauseous now.
ITRWZK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:01:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can try to find it later but its 'art' depicting suffering children in various positions.
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:51:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a pedo symbol?
bundleogrundle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes confirmed by the FBI. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3560069/The-symbols-pedophiles-use-signal-sordid-sexual-preferences-social-media.html
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow, people suck.
redditfetishist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:24:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who thinks r conspiracy is an idiotic right wing sub and pizza Gays is as bs as seth rich , trickle down econ, and socialism being the root of all evil, and anything else the right decries, what are your thoughts on leftist conspiracy theories ?like russia collusion
bundleogrundle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:50:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Republicans appear to be on the offensive about it which is usually a bad signs. Leads me to believe that there is some merit to it. I'm no expert though.
redditfetishist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever seen the republican party admit they were wrong on any issue?
crimekiwi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:47:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to say this. I find it amazing how much people don't care about overwhelming circumstantial evidence!
BigBlueBawls ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:29:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explains the rising popularity of child stars and how they are sexualized... Jerk off material for those higher-ups..
skywreckdemon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:59:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adding on to that: I believe pedophilia/hebephilia are extremely common, probably as common as homosexuality or nearly so. It's just that most people don't act on it (because they're not sick rapists) and barely anyone admits it (because it's considered evil just to be a pedophile).
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it hard to believe that most pedophiles don't ever "act on it".
robot72 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:11:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a Trump or Alex Jones supporter (quite the opposite actually), but I have to say that the number of pedophile rings that have been busted since the president took office is shocking (thank god these fucking monsters are being stopped).
The only thing more shocking is mainstream media's silence on the topic.... Makes you think there's something fishy going on.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:31:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The media may be blocked from reporting on it especially during active investigations. Especially when you consider that parties to the rings may be involved in more than one, and by extension the investigating entity may very well be trying to break into one that they haven't been able to do so yet via this recently netted ring. Exposing the nature and members of said ring could completely destroy the investigation into other rings. Further, the mere public accusation of being involved in a paedophile ring is enough to destroy a person's life, so it goes without saying that identities should not be disclosed until a guilty verdict has been made. Further, identification of such offenders could and often will lead to the identity of the victims becoming known and therefore becoming just as sanding and victimising as the original act.
Tl;dr: Paedophile rings aren't reported on because it could hamper or destroy ongoing investigations and prosecutions, destroy the lots of the accused in the event if a not guilty verdict, or lead to the public identification of the victims and subsequently leading to further harm and victimising.
robot72 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good point - hadn't considered that
Dultsboi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:33:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shocking considering he was on a private flight manifest with a known pedophile.
ben5292001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Media silence can be telling many times, particularly if it happens again and again. Although it does make sense that something as creepy as pedophilia would go unreported on many media outlets, so judging it based solely on that is flawed.
T9x978 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:39:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Research Pizzagate. Yeah t_d had a lot to do with it (so it's instantly brushed off as a crazy right wing nazi conspiracy) but so much information and so many coincidences they found are just absolutely uncanny. After reading through that storm, I absolutely believe people in high levels of business and government are controlling some sort of sex trafficking ring, like Epstein and possibly even the Clinton foundation in Haiti. All so damn weird, but even if none of it does come out as true, it still does shine some light as to how easily these people could actually run operations like that.
Locke66 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:07:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I think the Pizzagate conspiracy is mostly rubbish the detail of the Epstein conviction is really the one thing that makes it look more credible that there was/is some sort of conspiracy taking place. The fact that his charges were dropped from being involved in up to 40 instances of sexual molestation and underage prostitution down to 1 count of soliciting prostitution from an underage girl in an agreement with Federal prosecutors looks entirely like people pulled strings to keep their names from becoming involved. Epstein was also allowed to spend the majority of his sentence under house arrest doing his day job of managing money for unnamed billionaires. It's rather interesting that Alexander Acosta (who is now the Secretary of Labor) was the one who cut the deal. If there is a conspiracy to cover this stuff up I think it's far more likely one of moneyed people getting what they want than anything to do with a specific political party.
Epstein was also linked to several of the Model Agencies with a terrible reputation regarding prostitution and underage sex like Elite Model Management New York when it was being run by John Casablancas and Gerald Marie. There is a whole trail of accusations being settled with money, alleged threats and gag orders behind these people.
horsecalledwar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:20:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prosecutors in the Epstein case said they settled for embarrassment & a slap on the wrist sentence with registry on the sex offender list for life from a plea bargain instead of going to trial on all counts, not being convicted and potentially not having to register.
That would normally make sense because sex crimes are so hard to successfully prosecute but still hard to believe in this case due to all of his government connections.
ben5292001 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:57:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pedophilia conspiracy comment and replies get upvoted and discussion is pretty much in agreement, but as soon as someone mentions Pizzagate, it's a hotly debated topic.
KEKS_WILL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:14:20 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:31:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% believe this is the case in the government at least, and it's probably true in other high ranking circles. The Franklin cover up is, in my opinion the best example of this in the government, and really shows how disgusting and depraved the people who govern us are. The way victims were prosecuted after testifying shows the lengths that these people go to protect themselves, and eachother so that they can fulfill their fucked up fantasies. The sex ring aspect of it makes sense too, since by committing heinous crimes like that with a group, and having a recording somewhere, they effectively protect themselves from being outed as the monsters they are.
gaslightlinux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Saville is probably the most recent example.
HD_Thoreau_aweigh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:24:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dennis Hastert
vizard0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Former speaker of the US House of Representatives, Dennis Hastert. The person the Hastert "rule" (the one that the Republicans stick with that says that any bill they bring to the floor must have the approval of at least half of the Republicans). Next time anyone mentions the Hastert rule, ask them if they mean the one named after the pedophile.
lora4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this haha I also think the Clinton Foundation is super involved. Or it is a BIG coincidence that sex rings are being discovered in countries where the Clinton foundation just pulled their money from
stink3rbelle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:48:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US president was named in a lawsuit in the past few years. The plaintiff was an alleged victim of one such ring.
lora4 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:22:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also believe it's some sort of "club" among really powerful people. You have to commit child abuse on camera so they have you on a leash for life
sixsixeightsix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is another idea somewhat related to this that both Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington were murdered because they were about to go public with a large child sex trafficking ring that involved many well known, powerful people.
Dultsboi ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:36:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is literally copy pasted every time a famous person dies.
I read that about
Micheal Jackson Amy Winehouse Robin Williams Fuck, even Paul Walker had that conspiracy floating around him.
It's all bullshit.
mamamurrz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first thing I thought of when I saw this post! I just heard this a couple weeks ago and I totally believe it. Apparently, Justin Bieber has joined a church of some kind recently and opened up to some of them (who I guess went and blabbed to someone) about how some super high up music execs basically gave him the opportunity to mess with an underage girl and essentially said that if he did it, he would have the opportunity to go from being a successful artist to a legit producer/manager/mogul/whatever. He said that this is something they frequently do as sort of a rite of passage but they also film it so they can maintain control over the people they admit to their inner circle. He declined, obviously. I bring this up because these were the same execs that Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington were gonna go public about.
tardy4datardis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:54:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying i agree with what you're saying but the veracity in which sony was protecting kesha's rapist/producer makes me believe at the very least some of this is plausible to some extent.
The record label even after subtle corroboration and support from other female artist on twitter (tswift even financially supported kesha during this, and K clarkson very vocally came after them) the terribly pr they got from it all, they still defended and stuck by the guy. That still rubs me the wrong way, most companies regardless of how good of a producer he is would have cut ties. There's something there. Not sure what but something there.
ITRWZK ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 11:17:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe kesha really made it up and they rightfully stayed with him. Not saying thats what happend just that there are crazy women too that did exactly this out of spite.
There is no way for us to know.
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And instead of actually using his fame to go public or co-operating with the FBI, he politely says "no thank you" and blabs about it to a church, of all places?
LHOOQatme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever heard of Comet Ping Pong? /s
stupidname91919 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:08:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole shooting thing that happened there is so outrageously suspicious its mind-boggling.
Millions of people read about hundreds of crimes every day, and they don't respond by walking into a store, and shooting. Thats not normal-person thinking, its how a robot would react.
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wingnuts are robots, although made of meat and bones.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:21:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see that creepy, insane Dr. Phil episode about that? Couldn't sleep that night.
Osborne85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:51:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well.. The British Prime Minister "lost" a dossier on the whole thing a few years ago, when she was Home Secretary.
BicycleGeneticist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:42:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever hear of the Franklin cover up
LadybugElizabeth ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 22:20:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, believe this. Pizzagate is scary, yo.
Jowitness ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh jeez
Alkanfel ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 00:49:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of weird to me how heavily downvoted that comment is when the OP seems to have gotten a mostly positive reaction. Like, it's acceptable to speculate that some politicians are pedos, but if it gets any more specific than that, the claws come out.
To me the big thing is that, in some of those emails, they are clearly talking in code. For example, "Pizza related map" is not a phrase someone would use to reference, say, a map to a pizza place. The reason so many people buy the pedo theory is because there really aren't that many things one would use code to discuss in private emails. For my part, I can accept that some coded terminology is being used but I can't really speculate as to what. Drugs? Whores? Who knows.
THE_LURKER__ ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 00:56:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be easy there, that critical thought you're having... and that irrefutably weird email chain and it's DKIP authenticity.... that shits fake homie, you and the FBI are sickos if you can look at innocent conversation about food and see "codewords" about children. Pedo networks don't use coded language... You people need therapy.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:45:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Alkanfel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:07:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the part that kills me though: even if it was something as 'innocuous' as drugs, the media would be all over this shit if these were RNC emails. It's unbelievable how these exchanges were completely overlooked by everyone except 4chan autists. If Podesta were a Republican he'd be grilled on national media to explain what it means.
MusicPsychFitness ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 06:25:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a cutesy/playful way of saying a map of Italy. He owns a handkerchief with a map of Italy printed on it for decoration.
Alkanfel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, how silly of me!
THE_LURKER__ ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:52:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing to see here, look over there!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Alkanfel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hesrightyouknow.jpg
Wraith_GraveSpell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh oh I can already hear the pizzagaters wringing their hands at this post.
Qualanqui ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The previous pm of nz was a trichophilliac and a pedo, google john+key+hair, guy got caught on film on multiple occasions playing with little girls hair as well as a waitress in a cafe.
God_of_gaps ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:42:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that 90% of pizzagate is real and any of the false things about it are red herrings specifically planted by the DNC to try to cast investigators as conspiracy theorists.
Qulijah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah like that guy who went into the pizza store with a gun. Pfft, bullshit.
God_of_gaps ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:07:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh he went in there alright but the only thing he shot was the computer hard drive which would have destroyed any possible evidence
Qulijah ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:10:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not saying he didn't go in there. I'm just saying its fishy as fuck, and I think someone paid/forced him to.
flnagoration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i thought it was genetically a pretty rare thing
akrafool ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:52:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think its more common than anyone cares to admit, or is even possible to track. It seems likely there would be cases of individuals that have the attraction but never manifest it in any way whatsoever. In the same way that grown people are attracted to other grown people but would never rape anyone.
When i see the popularity of certain pornstars whose entire appeal is that they appear underage, there must be people who watch because its the closest legal thing they can get
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading that the Internet has brought to light how widespread it is. There are so many counts of accessing it that authorities only have the resources or interest to bust creators, distributors, and extremely heavy users.
I'm also a believer that porn escalation is a thing and that an isolated, depressed, compulsive porn user could find themselves slipping into illegal territory just for the rush of something new and exciting.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:18:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even that, every now and then you come across a video/image that is clearly CP yet is on a regular porn site. We've all probably looked at CP unwittingly at some point.
trevorturtle ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:42:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CP with adult looking underaged teenagers is a totally different beast than actual children.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:44:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and I wasn't talking about that. I've seen actual CP on places like pornhub/xhamster before.
Hell, word an image search the wrong way and you can find CP.
trevorturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Damn. I feel fortunate to have never stumbled upon that.
akrafool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah id believe that about how widespread it is.
wagsyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:30 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, r/barelylegal and r/18_19 or r/legalteens or whatever fucking related sub. Go to the top posts of all time, there are some that look like they could be 14 years old. Just a little creepy...
skywreckdemon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:03:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly certain it's about as common as homosexuality. It's just that most people aren't sick fucks, so they don't act on it.
flnagoration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn that's fucked. pedophilia being exclusive attraction to pre-pubescents, right? not partial attraction or attraction to like 15 year olds
insomniacDad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who have sick thoughts and have no worry of the consequences if they act on them. Absolutely.
yuleahcim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duterte?
Glassclose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TO THE TOP!
deathschemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it wouldn't surprise me.
i mean here in the UK, jimmy saville got away scott free despite grumblings, and the chickens didn't come home to roost until after he was dead.
Bahamabanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just pedophiles, but abusers in general. I don't know whether it's power that corrupts or the corrupt seek power, but I'm almost certain that when they have power they allow themselves something more and find ways to excuse themselves if they care even just a little bit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a documentary on this recently, I though this was (unfortunately) common knowledge.
Dark_Vengence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair hollywood is full of pedos, drugs, abuse of power and other stuff.
komandantmirko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
something something dan schneiders creepy child foot fetish
merten5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same except that they want the world to burn, in a way that only them and a select few will live. They are planning for life where the AI does everything a servant could ever ask to be done can do and then, BURN!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had pizzagate been given a better name and focused more on general pedophilia among the elite, it would have gone much better.
HoTs_DoTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well yeah...hollywood is full of corruption.
ownworldman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would there be more pedofiles then among e.g. waiters or construction workers?
ofthedappersort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are pedophiles. There are rich people. There are rich pedophiles. Rich pedophiles don't hang around playgrounds and parks trying to snatch up kids. They pay people to do it for them.
takeiteasy44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hail hydra
Kradget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recall seeing a former child star say something to that effect. It was apparently common at least through the 80s, and I doubt it's gone away
Branduhn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try watching the documentary "Open Secret"
_MKUltraViolet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's what I believe; many are because they believe it will further their career if they do what "everyone else does". In reality it's used as blackmail and if they don't tow the line things get revealed.
way2bored ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Clinton and many high ups in the DNC. It's awful.
manielos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:17:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, wanted to say that, but the whole pizzagate seems to be swept under the rug to fast as anti Clinton Trump propaganda
(I'm not pro-Trump in any way)
BoozeoisPig ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 03:18:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory is this: A good number of if not most people are pedophiles, to the extent that we would be willing to fuck children sans a cultural stigma against it, because we are just animals, and animals fuck things. So, by there being a massive cultural stigma against it, most people are caused to feel so grossed out by it, and/or they suppress their pedophilic urges, that the pedophiles left who go on to molest will do it for at least 1 of two reasons: 1: Uniquely great attraction to children that cannot be overcome through stigma and self control alone. 2: The person likes to project and take advantage of the power commanded by their authority, by pushing the boundaries that would stop other people, just because they can. So it is kind of obvious to me why so many powerful people would be child molesters, because A: We are all potential pedophiles, just by our natural tendencies. B: When you have power, you will do things that other people normally wouldn't, merely because they can't and you can.
Wertyasdfgh ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:51:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm. No. A firm no and if you feel you have that potential you should talk to a therapist. Trying to be honest not mean.
BoozeoisPig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I can tell, I don't feel attraction to young children, and I don't feel such an incredibly strong physical attraction to younger teens to the extent that I would try and fuck them, and also believe that they are not reasonably capable of consent anyway, just from a moral standpoint. So I am fine where I stand, but if that changes I will seek aid in quelling my desires. But what if the culture was fine with it? I don't know whether I would or not, it's tough to say. But I am just being introspective and considering possibilities because this thread prompted it. But most social species, for better or worse, probably worse, don't have sexual hangups to the extent that we have. That's how I was making my estimation: what kinds of people would be willing to overcome the general hangups against having sex with children and have sex with children, in our society. And the answer is 1: People with uniquely strong pedophilic tendencies. 2: People who like taking advantage of authority. 3: Some combination of the two. That's why I reasoned that so many people in positions of authority engaged in molestation, because they felt empowered to do so. Because they, apparently rightly, assumed that they could get away with it because of the power they have.
Goodguy1066 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:40:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seek help.
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck you're sick.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 23:22:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:52:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trudeau? Yeah, I could see that.
Kyrias ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:55:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not even a president...
greatchurchhill ยท 699 points ยท Posted at 00:49:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The universe adapts to my learning as I learn something new it always seems to show up in an event shortly after
MeanderingMinstrel ยท 460 points ยท Posted at 04:13:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, that's called the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon, or frequency illusion. Basically, as I understand it, there's so many times that you learn something new that you're statistically very likely to hear about at least a few of those things again shortly after you first learn about them. But our brains really like patterns and connections, so what really is just a coincidence stands out and seems significant to us. We don't account for all the times that it could've happened but didn't, all the things we learned and didn't hear about again shortly after.
I could be wrong in my explanation of it, but I know that what you're referring to is a well-documented phenomenon.
Edit: Here's a link to an excellent explanation that's far superior to mine, in both depth and clarity. https://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomenon/
digitalmofo ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 05:52:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the Bernie Madoff Phenomenon.
drawdeadonk ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:42:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically you don't notice what you don't know, until you know what you don't know and then realize again what you just found out.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! That's called the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon, or frequency illusion. Basically, as I understand it, there's so many times that you learn something new that you're statistically very likely to hear about at least a few of those things again shortly after you first learn about them. But our brains really like patterns and connections, so what really is just a coincidence stands out and seems significant to us. We don't account for all the times that it could've happened but didn't, all the things we learned and didn't hear about again shortly after.
I could be wrong in my explanation of it, but I know that what you're referring to is a well-documented phenomenon.
ArchonSiderea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:23:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the Nelson Mandela effect of cognitive error!
DylanTheVillian1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:23:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I just found out about the Baader-MEinhof Phenomenon before reading your post...
Ihatemyselfie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:42:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could also be explained as synchronicity. Itโs when coincidences are kind of โtooโ coincidental and itโs the universe or some force doing it purposefully. I see 1:11, 2:22, 3:33, 4:44 and 5:55 every single day whether itโs AM or PM. Sometimes I miss one but I never go a day without seeing at least one. Itโs been going on since June. Thinking maybe my body built some sort of clock to look at the clock but itโs weird. But anyways ever since I started practicing witchcraft my synchronicity has skyrocketed.
Caddofriend ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:20:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once watched an old Brain Scoop video about pandas. The VERY NEXT DAY another science channel I follow posted a video... About the only thing in the panda video I mentioned to my brother. They're watching me.
I know it was posted after I had watched the other one, because it was still only hours old.
Songs on the radio start playing when I'm singing them. A little too often for me to comfortably call coincidence.
I don't want to be the main character of this world, it would be one hella shitty show. Help.
Stoyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That blog is awesome
La_Chica_Salvaje ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this similar/frequency phenomenon? When I bought my first and second car I never remember seeing that car before. After I bought them I see the same car everywhere.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the same Phenomenon for when you buy a new car and then suddenly start seeing it everywhere?
IveAlreadyWon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like when you buy a car, and then all of a sudden you see your car everywhere.
sioux612 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:45:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well duh, just like in GTA with cars
TheIncredibleHork ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:35:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After I got a Mazda 6 back in '06, the universe conspired to make EVERYONE buy one. I couldn't drive anywhere without seeing one.
johnshayss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:55:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing that I feel this could be is the fact that because you just learned it, you are more prone to recognizing it afterwards, but it does feel really strange as I have had this happen A LOT.
carlos_fredric_gauss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you know nothing about something, you won't be able to perceive it
frontdeskfloozie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just learned what harvati cheese was and now I'm seeing it everywhere. At the store, on menus, people talking about it. I suppose now I am just noticing it.
[deleted] ยท 1699 points ยท Posted at 17:39:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mischimischi ยท 1176 points ยท Posted at 19:35:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the French had a really odd ambulance system at the time - the patient had to be stabilized before they were brought to the hospital by ambulance, so they basically watched her bleed out instead of getting her to an OR where they could have saved her life
Mojothewonderdog ยท 576 points ยท Posted at 20:29:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have a 2 tiered EMS system and both tiers work a little differently as far as patient treatment goes. The ambulance crew that cared for Princess Diana was an ALS/physician manned unit. Here is a published paper that explains how their system works.
If you have questions, I may have answers.
Bigdaug ยท 1531 points ยท Posted at 22:59:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have questions but I don't know what they are. Can you just say some more things?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 299 points ยท Posted at 23:04:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perseid's Meteors were off the hook last night. I am hoping for another good show tonight.
I am working on a little meteor playlist as we speak.
Bigdaug ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 01:04:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, thanks!
Mojothewonderdog ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look to the NE...and enjoy!
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:38:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Northeast" of where, please. I am somewhere already quite Northerly and Easterly....
Is this what it means to "up shit creek without a paddle..." ?
TheVitoCorleone ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:48:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that NE.... Oh.
DoctorAbs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:35:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on reddit is American and you're American too dammit.
Hazelnutqt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel simultaneously thrilled to be part of the club and horrified because I am obviously doing a poor job of being American :/
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you commie
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling me American is like calling someone "white" or "black"
America is more than the U.S.A.
but that's another story.
acejay1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about in New Zealand
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here. Best viewing time for you guys is just before dawn. Enjoy!
keytar_gyro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:09:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn San Francisco fog. Have fun for me
Mojothewonderdog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:20:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been cloudy for the past few hours here on the eastern seaboard. Wispy, light clouds so I hope it clears up.
Can you eat an apple fritter from Bob's Donuts or a roast beef and swiss on a dutch crunch at Roxie? Miss SF. Damn, now I made myself hungry. :)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:36:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's super stupid cloudy here. I can't see shit =[
Kingimg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:43:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so..... whats up with the mormons?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. Try again tonight!
Mstinos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:22:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!subscribe to mojothewonderdog facts
Skari7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes it into a meteor playlist? I mean what's in the playlist.
Mojothewonderdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:07 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. Been on call and it's been busy. I think I cursed myself. So sending from mobile, so I can't send the exact playlist.
But anyway, lots of Kendra Morris like this. Some Bush old and new. And assorted other bands.
StirStir ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 04:58:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is legitimately my favourite thing I've ever read on Reddit. Thank you.
BelievelandOHIO ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:09:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hear hear
Kingimg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hmm I was gonna say you should get out more but im not certain that works im this situation
Fizzlerr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:42:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is so human
zaklein ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:22:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedwholesome
Smoldero ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:52:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is this a thing people say or just you... cause i love it
IrishRepoMan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:16:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know Steve Buscemi was a volunteer firefighter during 9/11?
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow really?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hurt" by Johnny Cash
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow
podcastman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a cool factoid for when you are looking at the stars with someone at night (or during an eclipse).
For all the visible stars you can see, there are EIGHT times as many red dwarves there too. Not one of them is visible to the naked eye. Too small and dim.
IAlsoLikePlutonium ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:32:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have questions.
Mojothewonderdog ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:57:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) The 2 tier system is similar to what we have in the US. The first tier is Basic Life Support(BLS), for calls like falls, broken bones etc. This is usually staffed with EMT/Paramedic Team.
The second tier is Advanced Life Support (ALS), for life threatening calls like cardiac arrests, GSW's, MVA's etc. An ALS truck usually is equiped with more specialized equipment and medications. It is basically a mobile ER. These are staffed by a Paramedic/EMT and a Emergency Physician. The US ALS truck is staffed with highly trained Paramedics and EMT's that are in communication with ER physicians.
2) They have two tiers, like we do so that resources are available to meet every call's needs. Most EMS calls are non emergent and do not require a fully stocked, fully staffed ambulance such as an ALS truck.
3) & 4) Triage dispatches an Ambulance based on the mechanism of injury to the patient and the severity of illness. Also sometimes availability is factored in. Dispatching of medical services is never based on ability to pay.
dawnbandit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:22:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALS is sometimes only a Paramedic and other paramedics or AEMTs.
Mojothewonderdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, as stated in my reply.
dawnbandit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, lol, you we're explaining the French ones in the first part. PAs are actually in some U.S. ambulances.
Mojothewonderdog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool...was trying to stick to the SAMU system, but give a little reference to ours. Some US ambulances also use RNs and RRTs. But SAMU is unique in that a large part of patient care is delivered pre hospital. The French also have two separate ER's. Basically divided the same way, but the ALS ER has dedicated surgeons.
comwhy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:12:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will everything be ok? :(
CynicalBurnout ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:01:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the meaning of life?
Spazmer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:11:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
42
rikkirikkiparmparm ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:46:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's the the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything. We don't know the actual question, though.
hablomuchoingles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
63 actually, the computer screwed up
crawfish2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
42
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:07:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, great, thanks! What can I do to be a better Vainglory player? Also, my tomatoes died off, should I replant in a month or so when it starts to cool down, our wait until March?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tips for Vainglory.
As for the tomatoes...it depends on local. But those hanging plants can produce well into the fall.
trwwy321 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:07:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a conspiracy about the British MI6 being involved in her death and maybe they were ordered by the Queen herself?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. No matter how or why it happened, the massive system of failures made it doubly tragic.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:35:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm restringing my banjo. Should I use a compensated bridge to fix my intonation or just stick with my current Scorpion?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:43:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd stick with a nice maple scorpion or even one of the handmade ones by that Italian guy...lol.
Now you have to play for me. ;)
whirlpool138 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:47:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think that the new water park is going to get built in downtown NIagara Falls?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:26:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sure the fuck hope not.
They need to clean that place up first and invest in some infrastructure.
whirlpool138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:07:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you are right. = )
Finn_The_Ice_Prince ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the beef?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:30:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Union Cemetery, Columbus, Ohio.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're killin' me dog.
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aye! ;)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's "fuckin' Aye" to you, pal....
Mojothewonderdog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' Aye, Aye then...
And that Pal-lette to you, fucker!
Enjoy your night...don't forget the Perseid's Meteor shower!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mojo-ette. โ๏ธ
Icandigsushi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:51:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the clitorus?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NSFW! NSFW! Here
atrigent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused, are you contradicting the post you're replying to...?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, SAMU works differently than our EMS system. There ALS ambulances have physicians on them and they do a lot more pre hospital care than we do. Basically they are hospitals on wheels. As per SAMU's protocol she received ALS care at the scene.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you; is it necessarily a situation fraught with peril to be "up shit creek without a paddle" or does the possibility exist for simply waiting for the current to return one downstream?
I'll hang up and take my answer off the air....
Mojothewonderdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it depends on the direction you are heading. If you need to continue up the creek and you have no paddle, then yes you are shit out of luck...;O
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alex, I'll take "River Vacations" for 200....
"The answer is...Hearing banjo and fiddle music and having no paddle with which to "paddle faster"
"What is, Shit out of luck?"
That's right, pick again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even funny. I just got back to Florida a few weeks ago. I pulled into a little bait shop outside of the Ocala National Forest, Run the Jewels blasting on the stereo...turn the car off, open the door and damn I swear I heard those banjos a playin'. Went inside and I knew for sure, when I saw everyone wearing overalls, flannel shirts with no sleeves and out of the 4 guys standing around,drinking Busch, I counted 10 teeth total. Got my bait and noped outta there...
From now on I am keeping a spare paddle with me in my car. Just because Mr. Fuckin' Aye said so!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of "jest passin' thru" Kentucky (the good part) in another time. I got some gas paid for and when I came out with my Yahoo and Slim-Jim's (was that or pickled eggs, and pimento cheese on Wonderbreadยฎ) there was this fella in part of a wife-beater and he was eyeballin' me and glancin' all funny like at my license plate.
"Oh Hi Ya Heh?" and was leering at me like I was some girl whose pants was hiked up too tight, I forgot about that other idea of goin back in for a Drumstick ice cream sundae and threw gravel instead.
Big ass mirror on an Olds Delta 88, but I couldn't see a tooth on any of 'em.
Love them seven sisters though. They shine real bright on a Kentucky rest area in just outside of nowhere, ma'am.
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you are a brave Aye. Rest areas in Kentucky? That's how people get disappeared!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I was never there and the car at the bottom of some lake, keys still in the dash.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other five?
What should I make for dinner on Saturday & Sunday?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He ran out of fava beans and chianti.
For Saturday, Grilled Mojo Chicken, yellow rice, black beans and sauteed plantains.
For Sunday, chicken (using the extra chicken from Saturday) club sandwiches on a french baguette with a nice cucumber salad on the side.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:00:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No can do here, I'm afraid. But I'll look at recipes for mojo chicken.
Sunday's sounds good, thanks.
erickgramajo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Elizabeth
EatDiveFly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:18:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd always thought that if she had lived but had been badly disfigured, she'd have just faded from pop culture.
She was only important and perceived as "good" because she was pretty. Look at the next princess in line, Fergie. She wasn't pretty, she was chubby, and public skewered her at every opportunity.
It would be interesting to see what an "un-pretty" Princess Di would have become.
cumbuns ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 21:21:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was perceived as good because she did loads of humanitarian things and was generally an all round good person? She threw fur coats down to homelessness people and shook hands with aids victims back when they were massively stigmatised? What are you on about?
kaenneth ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:25:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I hated the bitch because I love landmines.
Bigdaug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone said something about her also being a drug addict, is any of that true?
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 21:40:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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supaiderman ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 21:50:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you realize how revolutionary it was her for her touch AIDs victims.
VictoryForCake ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:13:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of a joke from mock the week. "People say Diana was so great because she shook hands with some aids victims. Freddie mercury ****** them",.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:59:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pringles54 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:17:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are generally right about good looking people being treated better and being assumed to be better people. But Diana had a lot of goodwill build up through her work and people then would have known about her accident. That would have likely led to pity and not have as much of a negative effect as if she had been ugly from the start.
EatDiveFly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I agree with you.
Still, the phrase "ugly from the start" made me laugh for some reason.
bbbdddeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was a homely looking thing in her early years though.
pandahadnap ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:30:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting thought, but she wasn't disfigured in the accident. From what I understand, she had some broken limbs, but her face was fine. It was her internal injuries that killed her.
Shityname5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She also walked through a land mine field to bring attention to the issue
Cirias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would make a good novel
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's terrifying. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?
LettuceWouldntFit ยท 263 points ยท Posted at 23:00:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was too young to remember her dying, but my auntie watched the entire thing unfold on tv. She said she knew Princess Diana was dead by the fact that the ambulance didn't rush out of the place but was driving rather normally. She says if Diana was alive they would've rushed her to the hospital to save her life.
mrcassette ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:04:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember sitting up with my parents watching Ceefax in the UK as it unfolded. First she was in an accident, then seriously hurt, then she'd died...
Then I was annoyed the day as there was no kids shows on just news and Diana stuff/...
ToBeReadOutLoud ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:56:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same reaction about 9/11 because I really wanted to watch Gilmore Girls but it was just news coverage on every station even though it was days later.
nooneimportan7 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:59:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They claimed she had a broken arm.
There're also far more crazy theories, including the SAS hit squad that apparently killed her, using some kind of super bright flashing light to disorient the driver. However apparently they can murder Diana, but they can't murder the SAS guys claiming it was an inside job.
ringo_24601 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:14:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using the SAS would make no sense. You'd use MI6, or some kind of local hitman. SAS/SBS aren't assassins.
Peil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I guess it depends who you're going after
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flavius
ringo_24601 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:10:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny because when we heard about the crash first (it was late at night) my mum shouted "It was the Queen!"
(Article on state-sponsored assassinations - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17353379)
nooneimportan7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of the theories make no sense, you can't think about them too hard. There're very simple answers. The driver was on medication and shouldn't have been driving (and maybe was drinking a little on top of it, not enough to be "drunk" but with the medication not fit to drive), paparazzi were distracting him, and they all wanted to get away. Diana wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and this made things significantly worse. It's a tragic culmination of events.
There is a BMW involved that was never found though.
Also MI6 doesn't operate domestically, it would be MI5, but whatever.
EDIT: As far as the whole "the traffic cameras weren't running" thing- How much faith do you have in those traffic cameras working on any given day? They were probably some lowest bidder crappy infrastructure installed over budget and behind schedule. I bet they don't work 40% of the time.
ringo_24601 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She died in Paris...
nooneimportan7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I get for trying to talk about conspiracies before having my morning hot beverage.
In any case, it's all silly.
sunglasses619 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:12:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that! I kept trying to find the kids' shows and it was just Diana on every channel
ringo_24601 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:19:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misses Ceefax, Teletext and Bamboozle
dotcomdiva ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:56:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god! I haven't thought about Bamboozle in YEARS! I used to waste hours on that...
mrcassette ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to love that... http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/feature/a787941/ceefax-and-teletext-from-bamboozle-to-mega-zine-why-they-were-way-better-than-the-internet/
h00dman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:28:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember one terrestrial channel relenting and started showing cartoons in the afternoon (channel 4 maybe?).
Then the BBC showed the Only Fools and Horses episode where Baby Damien was born, later that night.
That's what 9 year old me remembers from that day; the TV.
Gunkspargle ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 03:26:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly, her veins and/or arteries were ripped right off where they connect to the heart and she bled out internally.
ikilledtupac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:59:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The SAS killed her before she could marry a Saudi.
Braakman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:01:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slow ambulances tend to mean more serious injury in most cases. They can't risk going fast if the patient is unstable or if they're actively working on the patient.
politicalshill ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:48:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who was a small child when she died, why would she've been murdered? I thought the royals were just figureheads (albeit well liked ones). Whats the backstory?
MrSayn ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:49:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about it. If she were to continue with her relationship(s) and produce offspring, the future King would have a half-Egyptian, Muslim brother.
It be extremely unpalatable to have such a foreign (non-European) person, with strong foreign ties, with influence/effect over the future monarch. Especially since the ideological war against Islamism had already stared at the time.
Not only that, but it'd probably be unacceptable in the eyes of the populace. Maybe the people would be placated when the half-sibling was born, but by the it came time for the prince to take succession, there'd be significant uneasiness with the half-sibling being there. Abolishing the monarchy could become a serious movement.
The monarchy might not have any power, but anything that threatens it, including its image, is a threat to stability of the country.
PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:22:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's bullshit, though, and only promoted by Mohammed Fayed who (as the employer of the drunk driver) was trying to slog off responsibility for the deaths.
If what you said was true, then Diana would have been killed during her relationship with Dr. Hasnat Khan, who she was desperate to marry and is generally considered the love of her life. Khan is a Muslim Pakistani surgeon who's even descended from Afghani royalty.
On the other hand, Dodi Fayed was a mere fling to Diana - at the time she simply wanted some fun and to travel and Dodi spent a lot of money on her - and she was allegedly already about to dump him as they were arguing a lot and he'd allegedly cheated on her. Remember that Dodi and Diana had been dating for only one month at the time of their deaths and he had just jilted his American fiancee who he'd been living with in Malibu. So basically, to believe that theory, you'd have to believe that the royal family was perfectly okay with Diana's very serious and two year relationship with a devout Pakistani Muslim with a stable career in London - who she openly discussed marrying and having children with - but they suddenly panicked over her one month tumultuous summer fling with an unstable international playboy who didn't give a toss about his religion.
MrSayn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If what I said was true, they didn't necessarily have to kill her then. It was easier to silence Khan, who had much to lose, than Fayed, who had wealth backing him.
But you gave me info I did not hear about before. It seems way more likely to me that no one really gave a rat's ass. Who knows ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
stink3rbelle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:01:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it might've made it a lot harder to demonize muslims. Diana's kid being muslim might have humanized the religion. I get why that would seem unpalatable to certain political operatives, but I also think people are capable of a lot more humanity than politicians give them credit for.
politicalshill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, that makes sense. I literally know nothing of the royals outside a few names. Interdasting all the same.
protonpack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:11:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man it feels like you're really overinflating the significance and possible consequences of that stuff.
ClemClem510 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:38:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A king once had to abdicate for wanting to marry a divorcee. That's not far off on the ridiculous scale
protonpack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not murder though. It's a whole different ballgame accusing the royal family of being complicit in something like that.
jtyndalld ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:16:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's monarchy. That "stuff" is literally the entirety of what the institution is comprised of: birth, relationships, ties with other nations, etc.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:13:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why haven't they assassinated prince charles and prince edward then? both are existentially embarrassing to have connected to the monarchy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why they care so much, strip their "roles" away and they're just fucking humans. This whole royalty shit is rediculous and embarrassing.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:14:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a well-loved part of british culture
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't fathom the idea of just giving these people so much when they do absolutely nothing but to uphold an image so the population is content. I get the tradition aspect, but it's weird to me praise/adore humans that have provided nothing but "comfort" and are given everything just because their past relatives' actions.
Ask_A_Sadist ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:52:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know much about Diana, why would anyone want to kill her?
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:03:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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culegflori ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:21:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One theory I heard was that Diana was allegedly pregnant with Fayed's child and the Queen might have been scared by the prospect. I don't think this theory holds any water, Diana had no titles post-divorce and therefore her child would have had no claims.
itseasy123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No no, youre on the right track. The theory is the Queen didn't want William, the future King to grow up with a stepfather that was middle eastern. She feared his culture would rub off on him and thus, they had to wack her.
MrSayn ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:30:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't about claims but the prospect of having an Egyptian half-brother to the future king. It'd really be extremely damaging to the royal family's image. And rather than just the Queen, everyone in the upper echelons of power would be concerned. A bastard half-brother is one thing, but a half-foreign Muslim one? I honestly think that it'd cause enough of a furor to seriously catapult the movement to abolish the monarchy, even pre-9/11. At the very least, it'd seriously deteriorate the monarchy's image in the eyes of the public (paving way for near-future abolishment). Having a non-European non-Christian so closely related to the King of the UK and the Commonwealth has been unheard of and is unacceptable.
There're claims that Prince Phillip gave blessing to the Pakistani surgeon, Hasnat Khan, she was dating before, which he himself confirmed, but if you were to believe the conspiracy, he was probably silenced, and easily so.
Thinking about it, Khan and Burrel are people in positions of relatively little power, at least in the UK. Fayed came from a well-established and rather wealthy family. One could put forward the theory that Khan was easily intimidated into breaking it off, but not Fayed, given the power/wealth backing him.
If I was in the uppermost circles of power, e.g. in MI6, I'd be extremely stressed out about what Diana was doing at the time. The threat of abolishing the monarchy is an extreme one. It'd seriously upset the status quo and disrupt the economy, military, and obviously government.
If I was Khan, having my career and finances ruined for continuing to date Diana or for speaking out after her death would not be worth it. If I was Fayed, with tons of money at my back already (and really, if my thing with Diana worked out, then it'd only improve Harrods' and my family's image), I would be pretty unphased by any threats that could be thrown at me. I'd only be able to gain from the relationship with Diana.
I myself don't know what to believe, but I wouldn't be so suspicious of what happened if Andandson hadn't died so strangely.
Balony1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:03:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the exact reason, a tie like this between Egypt and the UK would also get in the way of a tie between the UK and _____
drawdeadonk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was speaking out about the royal family and even secretly had a big time reporter at the time sneak and visit her for an expose style interview. I believe it even aired on tv at the time.
earthenfield ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:18:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you get when you cross the Queen and Prince Charles?
Murdered in a tunnel in Paris.
GatorGirl075 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:36:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there is more to this. Like how quickly her body was embalmed before they could run any tests on it. And that all the traffic cameras in the area happened to be out of service that night.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:24:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GatorGirl075 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:13:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I watched the same documentary! That's where I got the info from. How crazy...all those little things really do make a compelling case.
riptaway ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:22:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of little things adding up isn't evidence of anything. There's even a term for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model
GatorGirl075 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong, but isn't that a common trait when it comes to conspiracy theories? We all tend to jump to conclusions based on a series of questionable facts.
I'm not saying it indisputably happened lol.
SeasickSykes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:01:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any links to the documentary in question?
Wertyasdfgh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:04:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They may have just told the media the traffic cameras weren't running to keep them from trying to leak footage of her wreck. Also- France must have been ahead of its time if it had traffic cams in the 90s.
PeterLemonjellow ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 23:22:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Video of UK agents planning her assassination at the behest of the Prince Phillip actually came out a few years ago.
giraffevomitfacts ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:37:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this just a video of puppies rolling around on a map of Paris or something?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mrhorrible ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://xkcd.com/1053/
Sodomy-Clown ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:18:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google "brake assassination"
WeLiveInAnOceanOfGas ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q
evanostefano ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:14:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Summarizes it perfectly
nickcooper1991 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:48:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a similar claim that the Queen had Diana assassinated, with similar evidence. I don't buy it, but if I learned it was 100% true, I wouldn't be surprised either
VulKhalec ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:44:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I don't believe she's buried on the island at Althorp. Her request was to be interred in the family crypt at Great Brington down the road, and a family friend who lives there said that on the night she was "buried", the crematorium chimney was going.
podcastman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:27:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recall reading that the cause of death was due to the standard procedure in France. In France they treat at the scene, stabilize, and then transport to the hospital. This makes sense for them because French ambulances have a doctor on board.
American ambulances have paramedics but no doctors, so their philosophy is to transport to the hospital as fast as they can.
Normally, the French system is better, but in Di's case she had internal bleeding, and might have lived if she got to the operating table sooner.
Not a doctor, just something I read long ago.
cosaga ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:14:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q
magda_smash ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:47:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, what you are saying is, it's possible?
foxfire66 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:28:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know shit about her (I'm quite young) but I recall reading that she was a target of surveillance by the five eyes, apparently the NSA was spying on her on behalf of the UK's GCHQ according to a wikipedia article of notable people spied on by the five eyes. I read one of the sources and apparently there was a freedom of information act request that revealed a file on her but the request was denied due to a supposed threat to national security. All of the sources provided are news articles that don't seem to prove very much though, so not sure how much is true.
pastelrazzi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:48:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The paparazzi who killed Diana was paid to do so by Paul Dacre, so he could run mawkish pseudo-stories about her death in his paper for decades afterwards.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:10:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe she died as it is generally described. All the conspiracy theories are pedalled by Mohammed Al-Fayed who needs to deflect from the fact that his own security guards were negligent - they let them travel without safety belts.
BLACKAP3RTURE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:19:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing beats Mitchell & Webb's take. https://youtu.be/5muY64Oyp10
whatsmydickdoinghere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:05:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That video is funny, but for real if the royal family was going to murder a princess I'm pretty sure they would do it in a way that would make it almost impossible prove. There seems to be some fairly reasonable theories on how it could have been an assination.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:36:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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splenetic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:53:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was eye-witness testimony from multiple people and till receipt evidence of the driver drinking in the hotel before they set off. There was lots of alcohol found at his home. He'd been prescribed drugs that are commonly used to treat alcohol-related problems. Friends of his testified that he was a "normal" drinker. And then there was the post-mortem blood tests that showed he was over the limit.
Still, I suppose a precarious conspiracy that could bring down the entire monarchy if found it is much more likely than "drunk driver crashes car".
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best argument against it that I've heard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q
Tombofsoldier ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:52:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes totally
khmertommie ยท 17112 points ยท Posted at 17:01:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook is tracking you and listening in at all times. For example:
I passed a guy I used to work with in the mall. That night he was suggested as a potential friend for the first time ever.
I signed in to a nursing home and recognised the writing of a coworker in the previous row. Facebook suggested I be friends with him too, despite never having made a connection between us previously.
I discussed buying a pocket knife with my son - in person, not in any online forum. Amazon is sending me pocket knife ads and Facebook is suggesting knife-making videos for me.
It's freaky man...
DrDrangleBrungis ยท 5889 points ยท Posted at 18:39:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your phone is tracking you. I went through a drive through with my buddy to get fast food. I have not been to any fast food joints in years. The next morning my facebook/instagram was posting ads of said fast food joint.
MormonBikeRiding ยท 4777 points ยท Posted at 18:58:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See gps tracking is one thing but listening for products and key words is another thing
VagabondingCanada ยท 2073 points ยท Posted at 20:23:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an example, a coworkee waa telling me about classic rock bands she was seeing in concert that I couldnt care less about. Next day youtube was recommending all those.music videos. Disabled youtubes abbility to use my mic the next day.
[deleted] ยท 513 points ยท Posted at 23:25:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jamesinatr ยท 429 points ยท Posted at 23:34:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apps in settings on Android let's you disable permissions. I've just looked at my apps, and none of them have mic permission, including FB
imnotlegolas ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 04:01:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck I just checked mine and at Facebook it says this:
That's fucked up, is there any way to turn just that off without removing the app?
Edit: I kinda use a cheap android phone and it doesn't show any option to turn off specific permissions per app - it's all or nothing. I've downloaded an app called Microphone blocker which seems to indeed block the mic and you can turn it off when you need it. Still, it's all very mysterious and vague. Especially the 'without your confirmation' part.
Iminurcomputer ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 05:48:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New conspiracy. The microphone blocking apps are made by facebook.
Jamesinatr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:47:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll be able to toggle it if you can upgrade to Android 6 or 7.
imnotlegolas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure, I got a cheap tracfone thing that works for me. Says it's Android 4.4.4. I don't think I can upgrade.
evilf23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
check out the app hermit allows you to create a FB app from the mobile site and control permissions.
DukeOfChaos92 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:15:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I use friendly instead of the Facebook official apps
Collide-O-Scope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just checked mine, and my NETFLIX app has this as well. WTF?
imnotlegolas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the play store I got Microphone Blocker. There's a ton with the same name (or similar) but this one has an icon of a green shield with a silver lock in it and in the lock a mic with a cross through it.
So far seems to be working well, you can turn off specific apps where you do want the microphone to work. Which is Whatsapp for me since I use it to call. But the rest it blocks for sure.
Collide-O-Scope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:09 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I'll check it out.
zocke1r ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 08:59:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Image you would have to confirm that you want it to use the mic every time you call someone
imnotlegolas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:21:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also to record audio? Without my confirmation? At any time?
[deleted] ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 02:28:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TomStrange76 ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 02:59:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's messenger.
hiccupsandheels ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:26:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always figired it was google. I was at a friends house and "stole" some of her kids candy while my phone was in my pocket. She asked me which kind I took, I told her out loud, within about an hour I was getting advertisments for that exact kind of candy.
Same thing happened when my friend started talking about her college. Phone heard it and immediately was giving me ads for that school.
DextrosKnight ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:15:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a Skype conversation on my laptop with a friend a couple weeks ago, and we briefly talked about hair loss. The next day, I opened the YouTube app on my phone, and the first ad it shows me is for hair transplant surgery. Never saw an ad for that prior to having the conversation with my friend.
The internet is creepy.
hicow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:59:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google, Amazon, and Facebook are creepy.
BriFog ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:11:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep just went ahead and disabled that bad boy. Cheeky.
Inquisitorsz ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 04:20:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except that you'll need it if you ever use messenger/facebook for calls... which is where it sucks.
Like, I might want to use the mic for specific mic actions.... like a bloody call. That doesn't mean I want to use the mic for you listening in 24/7
SecondRateSquash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enable it then disable it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Browser login to FB will allow you to use the messages feature.
Shadesbane43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not anymore. At least not for me. It just tells me to use/get messenger. I didn't have it for the longest time for this very reason.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strange, I just did it a few weeks ago through chrome on my phone.
WAR_TROPHIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They make it so its a requirement otherwise everyone would disable it.
K3wp ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:35:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, and I would bet money on it.
I was once using messenger to chat with a buddy across country while I was at a bar. I was also talking to someone at the (noisy) bar about music. At some point I said "FRANK SINATRA", loudly, to answer a question.
About 15 minutes later I got a spam email to the account I use for Facebook notifications, with the subject 'FRANK SINATRA' in all caps. I disabled mic access for messenger immediately after that; never happened again.
I also noticed its an all or nothing thing. You can either allow it access your mic (for voice to text), or disable it entirely. There is no 'disable spying' option.
Btw, this was a couple years ago.
usherzx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:57:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tell us more about the Frank Sinatra email
CheezIt624 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Y'all remember when downloading Facebook messenger was being pushed SO hard?
keanedawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This
Noeir ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:02:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I have almost every apps permission disabled but there is at least Google Apps that I can't disable microphone/camera for.
tabytha ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:43:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook is absolutely listening in. I don't know if it's Messenger or what, or if it only does it when the app is open. But I got this feeling after a few times having had ads appear after talking about the subject.
I decided to test it out, opened my app, and started saying "football" repeatedly. (For reference, I don't ever click on or consume any media relating to sports, nor do I ever talk about football.) And the next time I refresh my feed, there's an ad for football apparel.
Wiki_pedo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:09:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried leaving your phone beside a computer playing a speech in Italian (for example)? If you start seeing Italian ads, then it's 99.99% sure to be listening in.
tabytha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good idea. After this incident I went into my phone and disabled just about every permission that Facebook and Messenger has, but I'm paranoid and would feel safer testing it one more time...
VikingTeddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The searches I make on my phone and computer can be seen as search suggestions on my girlfriends phone. It's fucking scary.
Taclite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sharing Google accounts? That would explain it.
VikingTeddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. I have never accessed my account on her phone nor she on mine. And we have different service providers.
beetrootdip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:53:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, she made that up to see if you would confess to your weird porn habits.
scotch_bonnet808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instagram also has mic access
Storjie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:44:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I'm now down to 1 app that can use my phone
WolfeBane84 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:16:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they want you to think...
Wiki_pedo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:06:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't turn off parts of permissions in mine. I'll often refuse updates that tell me they need things I don't think they do, until the app refuses to be used any longer. Then I uninstall and go back to the older version, but I can't turn off YouTube's microphone permissions, for example.
Jamesinatr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:36:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have Android 5 or below? I have 7.1, and I can toggle all YT permissions
Wiki_pedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do, 5.0.1. I can see what each app needs, but only accept in bulk.
Jamesinatr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the feature I'm talking about was introduced in 6.0 :/
Cartervixx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
DeepDuh ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 03:15:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the main reasons iPhones are considered more secure. There's no such thing as a default permission in iOS - each app needs to ask the user separately for each permission before getting it. Since lots of permission messages are a bad user experience, developers tend to minimise these as much as possible - it also looks really strange if facebook suddenly asks you for the microphone even though you're not using anything related to your voice.
ParadoxAnarchy ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 03:47:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Android does this as well
hicow ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the question is, when did each start doing it? I've got a phone with Android 5.something, and it does not do that. When I install an app, it shows what permissions it 'needs' and that's it. If I don't think a flashlight app should need access to the mic and contacts, my options are to either suck it up or not install it at all.
DeepDuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does it since 6.0 - which has a market share of slightly under a third of all devices. iOS has done this since the inception of its appstore. So it's not as clear as people here seem to think it is.
SuperC142 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:52:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Android does this.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:18:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People just dont realize what theyre doing
doc_samson ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:26:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iOS 11 is adding a permanent blue notification at the top whenever your location is being used, that will be there above any app you have in focus even if it is another app using your location. This is in direct response to the Uber "hack" where they pulled a VW and faked test data for the Apple approval process, then tracked users for weeks after last usage.
I would like them to extend that to camera and microphone too.
tenkindsofpeople ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:21:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Android already does this with the location notifier. Has for some time.
_Timboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Won't stop apple and their fan boys from claiming apple only invented it last week
evolvedfish ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:10:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In IOS it's Settings > Privacy > Microphone, to enable and disable permissions for specific apps.
VagabondingCanada ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On android go settings->apps->notifications then you can see what each app has been default allowed and can turn off various features.
im_a_dr_not_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just ask where it is out loud then open your YouTube app and there will be some videos suggestions which will explain how to disable mic permissions.
darthrobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with iPhone, settings -> privacy -> microphone.
A_Suffering_Panda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive heard that an app called Record Your Life can fix this, by taking full time control of your microphone. If theyre actively using it for nothing, facebook cant use it for ads
DaAvalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about other phones but smartphones that use the latest Android OS won't let apps just insta access anything they want. If an app needs to use the mic the user has to approve the use of the mic for that specific app the first time. Basic security measure so the user knows what app accesses what.
Works great too! If I downloaded some random game that asks for access for pretty much my entire phone first time I start it up I instantly know to uninstall it now because why would a game require so much access?
BubbalipShabbadoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simple, duct tape over the mic.
doc_samson ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 03:23:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ its things like this that make me so glad I have an iPhone. Seriously. I know Android users love to mock the iPhone, yet on my phone no app can gain any permissions to camera/mic/photos/etc without my explicit approval. It just isn't allowed. Not even push notifications are on by default. Nothing.
This issue with default permissions on Android has been going on forever. I wonder how many people remember the flashlight app fiasco around 2010/2011 when a new OS update was pushed giving visibility into permissions and people found the flashlight was activating everything without your knowledge and tracking your every move and word.
The idea that an OS made by a company that specializes in finding innovative ways to track your every move would somehow be transparent on privacy is absurd. I may live in a sandbox, but it's a safe sandbox with no viruses or any of that other crap, and still is the first target for app developers and has all the gold-standard apps.
But hey Android users, go ahead and crow about how your phone cost $200 less, then bitch all over the internet about how it is screwing you over.
(and no OP this isn't aimed at you, just Android users in general)
_breadpool_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:07:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IDK, man. Whenever I install an app on my android phone, I have to approve all the permissions before it installs.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1054 points ยท Posted at 21:38:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds to me like you were getting promotions for bands that were appearing in your area. Which is why your coworker was talking about them. And in fact, she was probably talking about them because she had just seen the same promotions beginning. She saw the ads and talked about the bands and then you also saw the ads for the same reason.
If I tell you about a burger place I just tried and then you see ads for it, chances are the reason I tried it is because I saw those ads. It's not a coincidence and it's not a conspiracy. There is a logical link.
gardensection ยท 1107 points ยท Posted at 00:22:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try YouTube executive.
Suddenly_Something ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:15:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously this happens to me all the time. My buddy and I will talk about something then the next day I have ads for it. I didn't go anywhere or search anything, just talked about it.
onelove1979 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same
theReluctantHipster ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:24:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except it's the Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon at work.
allsortsashit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:22:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly is that? I've never heard of it but it seems that everyone is talking about it all of a sudden.
theReluctantHipster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:40:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Exactly.
nojustno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone can market on those platforms. Why don't you give it a shot.
Pu55y_Liquor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just a tin foil wearin' conspiracy theorist.
/s
Macktologist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:16:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Reddit. I would have bet over $100 this comment was here. Wasn't disappointed. Didn't get to bet though.
VagabondingCanada ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:23:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats fair, and truthfully im not particularly concerned. However she was talking about bands she had seen years ago.
saltyjohnson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What prompted her to talk about them? Could have been the ads. And you may have even seen the ads before she talked to you about them, but only noticed them afterwards.
NothingSacred ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:52:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the OP said that Youtube was recommending videos for the bands and not noticing an ad for a local concert of said band.
Endulos ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:37:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a name for this. I forget the name of it, but it's basically once you're made aware of something, you begin to see it everywhere, when before you may not have noticed or even paid attention.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:58:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Endulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's it.
DBaill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just heard about this higher in the thread, and I've seen it mentioned a few times since then. Must just be noticing it now. ;-)
Urbanviking1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a name for that in psychology but I can't think of it at this moment.
Edit: Cognitive Bias specifically Frequency Illusion/Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon.
horsecalledwar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good effort, Zuckerburg but we're already in to you.
edit: on to you, not in to you like into you, this is totally a friendzone thing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also likely due to the fact that because you mentioned the burger joint, when I see the ad it sticks in my memory, whereas if you had never mentioned it I would have seen the same ad but not given it a second thought.
Jswame ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:49:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is called confirmation bias. Had those not been in your train of thought because of a mention they would have been "random" and overlooked.
brin722 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish everyone applied logic like this to everything. Well put.
Yabbaba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Except facebook does listen in on its users. Just look into your user permissions:
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You give the app permission to use the mic. That doesn't mean it's sending your words anywhere.
Facebook has audio functions. It needs the mic to do its job.
Your phone app has permission to use your mic. Does that then lead you to conclude that someone has the ability to listen in to you?
Yabbaba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My phone app doesn't record audio without my permission. Facebook is explicitely saying what it's doing, and you still don't believe it? That's denial if I've ever seen it.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.... says what? You lost me. The permissions are the same for both. "We may access your mic". If Facebook asserts more than that, you'll have to tell me what it is they say.
stovinchilton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
phones def listen. Otherwise "Hey, Google" and Siri wouldn't work.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. They listen for only those phrases. This is actually a functional limitation. It takes less intelligence and less power to listen for a very simple and set phrase (and then "wake up") than it is to generally translate or record-and-transmit.
And this usually works only when the screen is on. Some phones do have an "always listen" option but the battery hit is significant.
You'd have about 4 hours of battery life if phones transmitted everything they heard somewhere... if that much. And a toasty pocket.
Amazon's Echo and similar products are more robust because they are plugged into power. If you were going to be paranoid, they'd be the first suspects. and certainly, there are people that do indeed view them with suspicion.
By the way, experts are always testing these phones and monitoring the transmissions etc. Independent experts that are paranoid and suspicious. There are a lot of people in the world eager to show wrongdoing. We'll know when they are up to no good. The same goes with the Echo... plenty of people are closely examining their network usage etc.
therestruth ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:12:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your logical link is a bit closed-minded. And if it were true: they would have both saw those ads at the same time/day. It is not a conspiracy that many apps track you for ad purposes. If I leave my location on, Google will pop up at whatever place I'm in with "are you at XYZ Mall?" And link me to their map or a menu of the restaurant I am at and other details, as a helpful guide around the area. But it also can be remembered and used by other apps with permissions, to advertise to you based on where you visit.
BetterDrinkMy0wnPiss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:40:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if they were both looking at social media at the same time.
If I see an ad in the morning and talk about it during the day, and then you see the same ad that night, there's a logical link even though we didn't see them at the same time.
therestruth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:51:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. And if they were looking at the same time, I'd bet the ads would be different from one person with permissions enabled and one of whom they have no idea of their demographic. Or between two different demographics. I can prove this right now, if you want. We can send eachother any random YouTube link to go to and I bet you my ad will be for a minimalist wallet and yours will not.
BetterDrinkMy0wnPiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you include enough people in the sample, some of them will start to see the same ads.
Regardless, it's just targeted advertising. It doesn't disprove or conflict with the comment that you replied to, and it certainly isn't proof of any conspiracy.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Why? That's not how advertising works. If you have, for example, a 1 in 10 chance of seeing a given ad and watch two or three ads a day, of course, different people will see ads on different days. There is a random factor. I'm saying an ad was added to the rotation and person A saw it a day or three before person B.
Right. But the OP was claiming that someone was listening to their spoken conversation and there's absolutely no evidence of that.
That's not what we're talking about. This person thinks the ad was served to them because they physically spoke to a co-worker.
therestruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying now; you're right and I wouldn't argue against any of your last examples.
jimbojangles1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:16:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, but at the same time I never go to a fast food place because of commercials. Well, 99% of the time I don't. I just do because I want to.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I had in mind was a new place. The chances are much higher for a product you've never heard of before.
Fridaylights ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:32:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something similar...
Friends and I at a party talking about ghosts, demons, ouija boards and debating if we think they are real or fake. I personally believe them to be fake. I'm a basic bitch who only uses YouTube for recipe bloggers, beauty bloggers and like 2 daily vloggers. The next day I had YouTube suggested ads on the home panel (this is a "suggestion" feed for the uninitiated) about demons and possessions through ouija boards (and ghost hunter pirated episodes). I've never been suggested anything like that before or after because my YouTube isn't even tailored to that content.
I've had fb suggest exact gun mods my fiancรฉ was telling me about while we cook dinner, I knew Facebook did that, still uncomfortable, but YouTube really caught me off guard.
k9centipede ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:43:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the real test is to turn on the spanish channel on TV and leave your phone next to it for a few hours and see if your ads now show up in spanish.
Nona_Biba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is THAT why I'm always getting ads in Spanish now? Because I like to listen to some Spanish music and have my cell phone on me all the time???
Fridaylights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha! That would be interesting.
But, YouTube/pandora already give me ads completely in Spanish, due to my location. I don't understand Spanish so when they aren't even skippable it kind of sucks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Russian.
DBaill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative explanation: Google and Facebook know who your closest friends are and who your interests most align with. When those people start searching for topics (because you recently had a conversation about it), then they know to recommend them to you as well.
TauntinglyTaunton ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:02:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend got a multi tool thing for his birthday a while back and just him telling me about it lead to pocket mjltitools being suggested to me for weeks. It was purchased some time in advance so for it to spam me after his birthday would mean that it was either listening in for product key words, or it used the new fancy image scanning technology Facebook has to do object recognition on a picture he sent me of it.
Spoopy stuff maybe
elkstwit ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:25:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pure confirmation bias. What about all those times your coworker talked to you about other things that were never 'picked up' by your phone and that you've since forgotten about forever?
LucioIsMyMain ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:44:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "confirmation bias" wouldnt lie with the random topics people talk about each day. It would lie in the ads that people see on a day to day basis.
There are a finite amount of ads that people see in any given day. Most of them make sense and can be logically traced to what someone has googled, liked on facebook, viewed on amazon, etc. When someone sees an ad for a band that they havent talked about in 20 years yet see an ad the same day its been discussed, it sticks out like a sore thumb
VagabondingCanada ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, maybe/probably. Was still weird as shit. Simplified for the sake of brevity but suffice to say it was the only conversation we have had
SweetPrism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A coworkee...the best title one could give Han Solo.
yerlordnsaveyer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think a coworkee is someone that works with a coworker.
VagabondingCanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:)
Levlove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you do this?
baconjeepthing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's why you start talking about baby ducks just to mess with them. also always always mess with survey data.
IowaContact ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the technologically retarded such as myself, how does one do this?
DBaill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First disable spell check. Then randomly mash the keyboard and submit the results.
IowaContact ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually didn't even notice that til now.
Hilarious.
TheAmishBatman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use any kind of social media, but I do allow google and YouTube to use my mic and location and I've never had this problem
DBaill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This here is the key. The recommendations are coming from things that people's friends have shown interest in.
pirateninjamonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than likely your friends thought about that stuff afterwards and watched some on Facebook or followed a band. That caused yours to show up.
VagabondingCanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possible, this was a conversation that took place just the two of us and the youtube app was open in the background at the time
pirateninjamonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty sure the YouTube app doesn't work that way.
VagabondingCanada ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:52:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe/probably. Freaky as fuck coincidence then. Might have just noted our locations were the same, and said well she gets X ad, also try X ad on him as they are friends with sbared interesr. Regardless, youtube doesnt need my mic privileges
pirateninjamonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does if you are live casting, recording, etc. That is why it asks for them.
VagabondingCanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. Consider what i said qualified by "for my purposes"
brownhorse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I deleted Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and YouTube off of my phone a few months ago just because I'm sick of being on my phone all the time (except reddit.)
The other day i was talking with my sister and she brought up how she wanted to get liposuction. Now i usually get ads for mountain biking, skateboarding, and other sports gear. For the next week on my laptop and phone I kept getting ads for liposuction and laser hair removal. I have never once in my life looked either one up, I'm an early 20s male. So fucking google must also be listening all the time and not just for the keyword "ok google."
Anyway kinda pisses me off cause you can't escape
DBaill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's recommending these things to you because a close friend/family member just spent a bunch of time looking it up.
brownhorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost likely, but my sister lives across the country and had been looking into it for a while and we only talk over the phone. This was the one week we were both back in our parents house for the first time in a year and the ads started showing up immediately after our conversation.
PyDive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. I was at the coffee shop I worked at, and a batista mentioned a documentary on YouTube I should watch.
As I sat down, plugged in my headphones, and booted YouTube, what do you think was the top related video? That's right. That documentary.
Google and Facebook are listening.
AbelianCommuter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with /u/WhiteRaven42 on this. I never noticed how many people had Subarus until I bought one - a type of cognitive bias similar to what you are experiencing. You see the band advertised everywhere after you've had your attention drawn to it.
JohnBreed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And all Mic permissions have been canceled
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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VagabondingCanada ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:41:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Settings->apps->notifications on android
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bleachdrinker34 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You okay?
serviceenginesoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How to disable that?
coolasafool462 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it, it asks you about each individual permission when you install the app. Why didn't you just say no to everything? Your comment sketched me out so I went to check my permissions and it says "No permissions allowed" and I was like "well that makes sense, why would I have thought they needed my mic"?
Skidvish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you guys fuckin with me? This is freaking me out?
VikingTeddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The searches I do on my phone or computer appear on my girlfriends google search suggestions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get suggestions at work for YouTube videos related to ones I've watched at home. I've never logged into my account at work.
mycatiswatchingyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So...theoretically....if I started talking about, oh I don't know, butt plugs around my phone, I could have this happen to me? I mean, I've had adds appear for stuff I've ordered online, and that used to freak me out but I know why it happens now. But if I made a point to be very vocal about a particular item--butt plugs--around my phone, it could possibly pick up on that?
tutunka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:59 on October 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The phenomena where people explain away their own observations as if they are refuting impossibilities.
ThoughtsYouNever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had answered a post about the worst way to torture someone (ask reddit) YouTube shows up a video about abuse.
Family was a bit of a hoarder. Got ads for storagemart.
Didnt go shopping in a while for food(I pay cash).. Get an advert for immigrant welcoming families, with food as the main point of the ad.
Laid in bed a long time, got an ad talking about hospital advances.
Don't know what I'm doing? No ad shows up - gets skipped.
Staying up late? Start getting coffee ads.
Say my washer broke in app email? Get ads on reddit for washers.
Broke? Well you need a credit card!
Talk about how fucked up pedophilia is? Enjoy pampers ads!!
Seriously block your fucking mics and webcams. They're insane.
And for those of you wondering... GPS with photo localizes a location with an item (see that oc? No you missed it?) Crossreference with cc purchases to target ads. Oh and by the way, if private entities can do this, imagine how theyre fucking with everyone psychologically and can make your life a living hell. Theres a reason they call it five eyes.
Peanutpapa ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mullac254 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:06:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trick here is to only ever speak with a scottish accent, it's never recognisable by machine or man.
MormonBikeRiding ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aye
radiophonic__oddity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:33:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely this. A few months ago I mentioned in conversation that I thought I was about to start my period, later that day instagram is flooding my feed with period tracker app ads. I do not like that.
yolk_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:06:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this happened to me too. My girlfriend was complaining about our old mattress one day and the next day ads for mattresses were popping up all over my facebook. It was a really scary moment in my life.
trenchcoatangel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:47:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The song Summer Girls by LFO came on the radio the other day. Me and my SO were talking about the line in the song- about Abercrombie and Fitch. We had a short conversation about the company, we've never shopped there, searched it etc., and the next day my SO got a Google rewards survey asking if he's ever been to Abercrombie and Fitch.
DrQuint ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I actually EXPECT it to GPS track me because they outright say they do.
CorpseZero ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:35:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this happens, though. I once jokingly mentioned something like "It's not like I'm gonna show up with an engagement ring" on Facebook messenger. I was spammed with ads for jewelry stores for a month.
jseego ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:04:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, a thing that many companies have admitted to doing.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:34:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
..... this is GPS tracking. The fast food place is a location and they saw that you were there.
MormonBikeRiding ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm saying that people have stories of them just talking about it which is way scarier to me
WhiteRaven42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying there's are alternative explanations. One is that there was an underlying reason they were talking about it in the first place (such as a band's touring schedule) that also influences advertising.
Another is simple psychology. The advertising was always there, it just wasn't noticed until the topic was on top of mind for other reasons.
razyn23 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:11:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If an app as widespread as fucking Facebook were listening in on you, that would have gotten busted a looooooooooooooong time ago. First off, the phone microphone requires more power than you'd expect, your battery would get hit hard. Second, if they were listening, well, they need to process it. Your phone is nowhere near powerful enough to do that, so it would need to be uploaded to them for analysis. Packet sniffing (inspecting your network traffic in realtime) is ridiculously easy, if they were sending constant audiologs it would be incredibly obvious to anyone who cared to look.
So no, Facebook is not listening in on you. It's just that all the other ways they have of tracking you (GPS, etc) and all the information they have on you (age, sex, location, job so usually income, plus all the info they buy from other info-aggregates like Google) makes predictive algorithms for things they think you'll want to buy scarily accurate.
For example, if you are male, mid 30s-40s, just got married (yay Facebook relationship status, and even if you don't change your status your wedding photos and a ton of conversations about the wedding are an easy tip for their automated services), and you live in an apartment complex (remember they know where you spend most of your nights due to GPS) they will probably start showing ads for houses. And it looks (and is) creepy as fuck. But hey, they're not listening in on your microphone!
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:06:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Facebook app reduces battery life by an average of 20%.
ironiccapslock ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:20:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Facebook.
hbk1966 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the fact you hundreds of ads a day and a few are bound to be about something you were talking about.
MormonBikeRiding ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't really think they are listening tbh, like someone said you see so many ads you're bound to see something you've been talking about
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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razyn23 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:24:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... Source? Because all I see are a bunch of vague pop-science articles that all seem to reference the same professor who said they "might be doing it," and later said outright "I never said in that story that I believe Facebook can hear you" in the Snopes breakdown.
simcowking ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:04:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sitting in front of my phone saying pocket knife, whittling, and trying to think of as many terms for carving things out of wood that I can think of without Google. Let's see if I get a Facebook ad for this in the next week. I'm guessing no.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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simcowking ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll put it in the foreground even while I'm browsing. I've never gotten an targeted ads that seemed out of place. Working pharmacy I hear tons of conversations and Facebook is always draining my battery. They're all relevant to my Google sources.
Herpinheim ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty well known that the Facebook app causes an increase of battery life in the ballpark of 20%, and sending a text document of only keywords used multiple times would just be a text a few hundred words or less. All of this could easily taxi on the normal pings your phone sends to cellphone towers to make sure it still has signal, just like our text messages do now.
LHOOQatme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:48:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, this kind of shit is part of the reason I'm not buying a smartphone
falconfetus8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is true, then wouldn't it drain your phone's battery like mad? Whenever you have google maps open or some other GPS-reliant app, your phone battery goes down the drain really fast. Wouldn't it do that constantly if you were being constantly tracked?
Also, how would it know that you used to be friends with that guy? Sure, it could know you were in the same room as each other for a brief period. But you're in rooms with LOTS of random people every day, how can it tell the difference between a long-lost friend and a random stranger? A more plausible explanation: the person added one of your friends when he met them at the get together, and Facebook recommended him to you because you now had a mutual friend.
Also: which app would be doing this covert tracking? Any app that uses the GPS needs to for elevated privileges first. People would notice very fast if some app is asking for GPS permission when you aren't using it.
Unless, of course, Apple and Google are both in on the conspiracy, and they let some apps through without asking. Well, we know Google isn't, because Android is open source, and someone would catch something like that when viewing the source code. So, it's really only Apple that could be doing this.
If you're really paranoid, though, just disable your phone's GPS completely whenever you're not using it, and force quit all apps when you're done using them so they're not running in the background.
MormonBikeRiding ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:13:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't actually think they're listening, I'm just saying that's its worse than gps tracking because a lot of apps ask for gps permissions and people usually agree
angelsandairwaves93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watchdogs irl
cyberjellyfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No apps are listening to you.
MormonBikeRiding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why none of my voice memos aren't working dammit
KserDnB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it, if they actually did it then it would have come out.
Theres no way in 2017 an app could do something like be listening to your voice 24/7 and not a single hacker group or anything has come out with solid evidence that it's happening.
baenpb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are definitely two things.
TheIronMoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which do you think is easier?
MormonBikeRiding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the GPS tracking is pretty much confirmed isn't it? Why else would so many apps ask for GPS permissions
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:25:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snapchat literally shows other people where you are now
MormonBikeRiding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I haven't tested that out yet
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If youve had your location on in the app, without even trying out the feature, it will still show where you are
MormonBikeRiding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only just got a new phone so didn't have snap chat since before it was a feature, it didn't have gps permissions
kamuimaru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone should do a little experiment and make a new account on a phone and just talk to it and walk around and see what ads come up
xSARGEx117x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did a little experiment last year with my Facebook.
I set my radio to a Spanish station, opened my Facebook app and then "closed it" (but didn't force stop or anything, so it would have been running in the background) and then set the phone on the radio.
The next morning I log into Facebook and a ton of Spanish suggestions, and ads were everywhere.
Strangely not on other sites, but everywhere on Facebook.
While Intellectually I know if they recorded everything, my data usage would reflect that, it's still a bit of coincidence too great to ignore.
I deleted Facebook from my phone (as much as I can since this phone can't delete it completely)
I use Facebook as little as possible, and have run a script to remove all posts comments and likes from everything prior to 2017. I got tired of cringing at "on this day in 2009" suggestions.
orionsbelt05 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many things are there?
MormonBikeRiding ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's one thing but then there's also another thing
orionsbelt05 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoot, I lost count. Could you repeat that?
MormonBikeRiding ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing, another thing, a son thing and a mother thing
jeffbaier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats where you draw the line??
MormonBikeRiding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gps tracking for ads is a pretty common thing isn't it? If it was revealed they were actually listening it'd be way scarier
Introvert8063 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And both things are fucking creepy and shitty and should be illegal
MormonBikeRiding ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong
lovableMisogynist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in some parts of the world, TV adverts have sound that is played outside of human hearing which your phone can pick up.
That is why you'll be browsing your phone while the TV is on, and then you'll start getting adverts which are similar.
MormonBikeRiding ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it differentiate other ads compared to just people talking
lovableMisogynist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The out of hearing range sound is like an ID code. This makes it a momentary thing to recognise the ad
ocultada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I refuse to buy an echo.
MormonBikeRiding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't seem worth it anyway. Anything they can do I can just use my phone for 2 seconds and do
suck_my_Dak_no_Romo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A drinking buddy and I noticed that swipe up ads on our Reddit apps were not only typically beer ads, but were ads for our beer of choice. Miller Lite ads only show up on my phone, Coors Light only shows up on his.
numberninemac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Perd. ;)
PRMan99 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:36:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google does that based on GPS. They tell you as much. You can turn it off in Android settings.
Moonpenny ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:17:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have the google survey app, it probably creeps a lot of people out, but they're getting the information anyway: If I visit Subway, the survey app asks how I liked it, if I'd suggest it to others, and then gives me $.24 for my answers. If I visit the bank, they ask if I made a payment with my credit card. $.12 extra.
In addition to the play store credit, I also get a bit better idea of how well they're tracking what I do and it makes me keep in mind that my location history is stored on their servers, tracking what wifi ssid's are nearby, etc.
babycarrot420kush ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:26:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One time a roommate and I were having a conversation about Domino's pizza. Within 5 minutes, he gets a notification from Domino's encouraging him to order a pizza. He claims that he almost never gets notifications from them and swears that they were listening.
Its3pic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve noticed something like this, after going to the gym around 4 times a week, my whole Instagram feed is just Fitness posts and pictures of gym workouts. I havenโt liked, nor followed anyone who posts Fitness related posts
nedjeffery ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just fucking stupid. Why do you need an ad for the place you've just been to?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:47:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because someone who just ate someplace is more likely to be influenced to go there than someone who just, say, spent the day working in their garden.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:03:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fullblownaydes2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize the data companies are still tracking you even without the apps? While apps are one source of mobile GPS data, there are also companies that track your location based off when your phone pings the cell towers. As long as your phone is on you're being tracked.
Now don't worry, it's all de-identified. They aren't allowed to say that it's your phone - just that random device ID was here, here, and here. BUT WAIT - it's very easy to get a dataset with your name and address. And I can build an algorithm to see where the de-identified phone tends to sit for 6 hours every night and tie that to the address and who lives there. Boom - now I have your name tied to your device and as long as that phone is on I can track you.
superezfe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or use an iPhone and turn that stuff off. Yes you'll get ads, yes you'll still get tracking on the web, but you won't get any of this voodoo because Apple gives users control over microphone and location settings.
And yes I know you don't get all the stuff you want on your Android, not telling you to switch. Just saying, I suspect that if any of these are true, they've either given complete access to the respective apps on an iPhone, or are on Android and are not doing what you do.
sedsimplea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:50:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Android also gives users control over their microphone and location settings.
He means rooted Android which gives him complete control of his phone. Which Apple doesn't allow.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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superezfe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know what Apple collects, but please show me evidence they sell my location/mic info? Collecting is very different from selling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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superezfe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alrighty, so I read that document. Things location-related that are sent to Apple:
Emphasis mine
iOS 10 Software License Agreement
Apple Privacy Policy
Apple Location Services Info Page
The only place I see an inkling of "they do sell it" is mapping data, wifi database, and iAd information. The iAd stuff is the same as what Google probably provides: the ability to show an ad in a set geographic location, but doesn't reveal customer information. The mapping stuff is stuff like speed and location, and it's all aggregate stuff (like "traffic speed on I-91 is 70mph" vs "John is going 70mph on I-91"). The wi-fi database is also aggregate and is common sense to improve their products.
If I missed something or you disagree with my assessments please let me know.
mdz2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:49:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a similar freaky experience -- I asked my husband why flags were half mast and as he didn't know, I went to my phone to see why. I entered "Why" into Google and before typing any more, it suggested "Why are flags half mast today". BUT, there is an easy solution. If you have Google on your phone, turn off "OK, Google" detection to stop it from stop monitoring you all the time. So turn that part off
ttw219 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was at the Griffith Observatory with a couple friends, there were quite a few Asians there that must have been speaking Chinese. I pulled out my phone and my Google cards were showing me the weather and air quality for Hong Kong.
After coming back home, I was talking to a family member about where we were going for Father's Day. When I woke up the next morning, my Google cards showed the ETA for that restaurant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's google cards?
ttw219 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On my Nexus phone (and I assume most Android phones have some version of this) there is a slide to the left of your home screen that gets populated with news stories, ETAs, restaurant menus, etc based on your location, location history, past searches, and apparently whatever it picks up from your conversations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Never heard of it.
UniversalDolphin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My phone tells me the estimated time of where I'm going... without me touching it...
hateboss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, but that doesn't explain the knife.
giddycocks ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:42:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His son without a doubt searched for it, and Facebook / Google know family aggregates. One and one equals two and dad gets targeted marketing.
I used to do online marketing optimization and seo, I'm sure it's always someone in the same network searching for something they talked about.
hateboss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's what I'm thinking too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. The wifi, including bssid (mac address) of the fast food place was detected and reported, as was the duration of your visit and the profile of your signal level. That way they can accumulate data on whether you you sat down to eat or used the drive through. Orwell really had no idea where it would go but his was right far beyond his own imagination. If the Zuckerborg could, it would get a feed of 'anonymous' items ordered and then use deductive reasoning to determine what you bought too.
funkymunniez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google "Google location history."
Ansonm64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What gets me the most is half of these tracking services send you ads for things you've already done and bought. No. I'm not buy another 65 inch tv, Best Buy. (I'd never actually buy a tv at Best Buy anyways)
GettingBoredOfThis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Undoubtedly. I was driving past a stadium and saw the sign. I started speculating who was the person it was named after. Typed "ro " into google 5 mins later and it auto filled his name.
the_wurd_burd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm skeptical of this one. Going years without fast food?
imminent_riot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never cared a damn thing about sports of any kind but a woman I work with is constantly talking about her grandkid's soccer practice and games. Not long after I turned on google assistant I started getting notifications about big soccer matches and shit.
jojodolphin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I constantly find that the location of my phone has been turned on. No matter how many times I turn it off, it always ends up flicking back on after a while.
OrangeCarton ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:42:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your wife is tracking you.
nuck_forte_dame ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean this pretty well known stuff.
My phone literally says "hey you are at such in such establishment! How about adding some pictures and a review to Google maps."
The thing is you and I aren't special. No one gives a fuck where we are. They just have a computer track you and market to you based on it. I'd rather see ads relevant to me instead of a bunch about male enhancement. Am I right guys? You know it.
Alwin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phone is listening in for sure. I was talking to my buddy about this bike sharing app that was launched in my town. He's not from my town, nor a town which has the bike sharing app. Anyway, next day he gets advertisements for the app we talked about.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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merlinhootboodangy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google maps is one of the best things to ever happen though. I do longer have to doubt where a destination is, I can click on a building or house I vaguely know and get the actual address, I can see my childhood house with our shitty above ground pool killing the lawn since they haven't reshot the satellite view photos since I moved away, I can see cars of old tenants who've moved away outside my apartment complex AND I can explore the world.
NicolasCage4eva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is pretty common in advertising, it's called geo-fencing. Advertisers use your phone's gps to determine that you are in a certain area. When you are, your device ID is put into a pool. Advertisers then serve ads to people in that pool. It's basically the computer equivalent of when you visit a website, then start seeing ads for that product because of your cookies.
muddy700s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you use Google maps?
foxap0calypse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol my phone straight up gives me a notification, we see you just made a purchase at McDonald's! Use samsung pay to earn points
OccamsMinigun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the same thing. Of COURSE your GPS is tracking you--that's kinda the point and is no secret. Mine usually asks me to leave Google reviews for the restaurant I'm sitting in; they aren't trying to hide it.
I'm still unconvinced that your microphone is listening, which is a WHOLE different thing. Anecdotally, I've tried things along the lines of leaving my phone next to Spanish radio overnight, or saying the name of a product repeatedly, and never gotten any results.
hjf11393 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine at least tells me nowadays. Half the time I pull up somewhere new it asks me to add pictures for Google Maps or some bullshit.
magster11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This may also be a Bluetooth hotspot that I've seen set up in fast food places. They connect to your phone if you have Bluetooth connectivity enabled.
Woodshadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a resturant where we had a little device which my understanding was it would pick your bluetooth and tracked where you were in the restaurant. So you would know how long someone was in line or at a table for. I forget what it was called but you could use it in a retail store to target and send deals to people who were looking at certain items. They "didn't" sell information but I'm sure your phone recognizes this and facebook recognizes where your phone was and make suggestions to this
jatenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a service mobile providers are capable of; mine offers a service to send you SMS with special deals if you pass a shop that has a contract for that with them, but it doesn't cost anything anything and you have to manually opt-in (and can opt-out at any point). I guess it's very possible to just do this without asking the user; might be a thing of laws of a country as well.
IDoThingsOnWhims ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any app that asks for location permission will do this
crux-of-the-biscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to get the same kind of weird ads on Facebook. Go to dinner somewhere? Boom, ad for that food later on. Talk about something with friends? Boom, ad for something that was mentioned during the discussion, or random friend suggestion like you mentioned.
Turn Off Facebook's permission to use your microphone. In fact, turn off all of Facebook's permissions as 99% of what it asks for is not necessary for the app to function. Since I did this, I haven't seen any ads pertaining to where I've been or what/who I talk to.
lordnikkon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
go to google maps and view your history. As long as your phone is on google maps is tracking you at all times. It tracks where your phone went within 5ft 24/7 it is insane how much data they collect and store on everyone. They know exactly which shops you go to all the time, they can figure out which building you work in and which you live, which are your favorite lunch spots, etc all from your gps data
phqx996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is only a "conspiracy theory" for the technologically illiterate.
Kingunderdemountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about words? Anthrax, c'cain, Windex butt plugs
fuckitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was waiting outside of a burger king recently, didnt go in at all, and facebook straight up asked me the next day if i had visited BK recently and if i wanted to post about it. Way to be subtle.
MeltingDog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a story here recently of a guy leaving his phone next a radio tuned to a Spanish speaking radio station for a day and when he came back to it Facebook had filtered a lot of his ads and feed to Latino orientated stuff?
reece1495 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so just turn location services off ? ( if its an iphone )
Dunan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks at the pictures you've taken, too. I once saw a drink called Mets Bitter and took a picture of it because it perfectly encapsulates this baseball season for some people, and next think you know I'm getting advertisements for that drink when I browse the internet on my phone.
I didn't do anything with that photo, or label it. Just took the shot and that was it. Yet somehow my browser knew what it was a picture of and thought I might like to buy it.
TurdFerguson495 ยท 359 points ยท Posted at 18:25:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those ads that try to sell you customized attire based on where you live and your family name. They aren't even clever. Like their template is "never mess with a "last name" from "where you live" or "trust "last name"s that like "favorite band or something"". Who would wear these?
Edit: a word
InVultusSolis ยท 224 points ยท Posted at 19:50:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a guy wearing one the other day. It said something like "Never mess with a dad who listens to Ronnie James Dio!"
horsecalledwar ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:51:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In his defense, Dio does totally rock but that's still a no, just no.
ThePortalsOfFrenzy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:25:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is hilarious.
Sagg42 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:22:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it my dad? lol
a8bmiles ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:24:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was he a Holy Diver?
FlagstoneSpin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:07:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But did it come with an "It was me, Dio!" picture? Because if so, instabuy.
Picklestasteg00d ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:54:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KONO DIO
Holydiver19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of him
ponyboy414 ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 19:57:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Never mess with a white from Boon county."
loafuscrambuckle ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 20:10:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Never mess with a depressed high school student from a shack in the woods."
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:40:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually pretty solid advice.
ChesswiththeDevil ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:39:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You want to hear a redneck mating call?" shakes bottle of Oxy pills
atl_nights ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:58:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dads family is from WV. When I asked my grandparents about them, they knew who the Whites were despite never having seen the documentary. Apparently their legend is no joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No joke indeed. Source: Am from WV.
atragicmasterpiece ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately I am related to those fine folks...
Culper1776 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Boone
NPJenkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pill bottle shaking "Thas' thuh Boone County matin' call yall"
union_jane ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:33:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy who literally has a "Legends are born in June" hoodie. He's 58.
trenchcoatangel ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:50:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a photoshopped picture of Jennifer Aniston on FB last night wearing a shirt that said something about how girls born in October are better. I looked it up- she was born in February. Lazy advertisers can't use the right celebrity
DragonBank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get that shit all the time for my birthday. So far it has been like 8 different actors and not a single one was born in my month.
Criticon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:13:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father saw one that said something like (year he was born), the toughest generation
He wanted it so bad and he didn't believe me that it was just a macro and that the year he was born wasn't particularly special
Two weeks later we go to a family meeting and a cousin of him had the t-shirt with a year different than my dad's
asifnot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:49:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lied to facebook about my birthday and now get hilarious ads for "people born in (month) are (whatever).
runningonemptyish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:15:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My stepdad and mom and uncle ALL buy these dumb ass shirts. My brother and I just laugh at them. There's no use anymore trying to explain it to them. It's embarrassing as hell to be seen in public with them when they're wearing them though.
SeaBones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anything they have potential to be hilarious. Or just keep people guessing. Or just make zero sense. Never trust a fart from any guy named Brent.
xCaptx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom bought me one.....
reddit-poweruser ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friend bought a "It's a Fritz thing. You wouldn't understand." shirt off Facebook. It's pretty hilarious
Holidaysuprise123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom bought my whole family shirts with out family name off of Facebook... it has remained securely buried under years of old clothes and blankets since I received it.
DragonBank ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is slightly different. It is like people who do those family picnics and make t-shirts for it. It might be weird but at least it isn't someone falling for an obvious photoshop scam.
entent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:35:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister legitimately got excited when she saw they made hats with her name. She bought one right away. She's a mark.
secondarykip ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never underestimate girls with blue eyes tha loves horses and was born in November.
TurdFerguson495 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:39:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...cause horse bitches are crazy
kochikame ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One that's been plaguing me is the "get a printed map of YOUR city"
Great advertising there people, I'm really fired up and got my hands on my wallet now
unclejohnsbearhugs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would, ironically, after reading this comment
cakez_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha I also noticed ads with T-Shirts saying "Never mess with a woman who listens to Disturbed and was born in July"... um excuse me, but what does one have to do with the other?
[deleted] ยท 6277 points ยท Posted at 22:26:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MountCydonia ยท 782 points ยท Posted at 01:14:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you do an AMA? Plenty of people would be interested, as these comments prove.
ReadWriteRun ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:55:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Original comment is concerned, but I'd do it. Worked in AdTech for 8+ years at a large social network, and on the targeting / algo / big data side of things. Do you really think people would like to know about this stuff? Im concerned the truth is honestly less interesting than it sounds.
boopboopadoopity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:50:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome anyway, maybe try casualiama? Or contact the ama mods? Even if it's boring to you it may be interesting to us, or it would just be good to know! :)
Mycroftholmez ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 01:28:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, probably get sued or something. And I try to avoid the Reddit FB circlejerk except when people seem like they can actually read / aren't wearing tin foil hats :P
Also once you start saying facts about advertising or recommendation algorithms, it's usually too boring for people to read. Instead I get replies that are just "drinking the Facebook Kool-aid" or that I'm lying. You can even see it in the comments here. Basically once people have a view of something, it's really hard to believe a boring truth :(
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 03:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked for a company that reddit hates and I have to say the conspiracy theories some people come up with are so creative we should have hired them lol
picklas ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:37:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
comcast?
Iminurcomputer ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:53:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just quit Comcast. I'm convinced the infrastructure would hardly support spying of any kind, it can hardly support the garbage service we put through it. Comcast doesn't need to spy, because the thing that IS true, and they don't really hide it.... You basically have to use our shit, bitch.
They don't need shady tactics to increase business, their entire business is a shady practice.
crnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast.
Not even once.
TheBrownWelsh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:45:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologies in advance for beleaguring the topic further, but could you point me in the direction of the documentation I would need to prove that this "conspiracy" is exactly that? Even if it's just saying to look at the Terms & Conditions of specific products.
I have a few friends who are 100% convinced that Facebook et al are listening in and tracking their every move for advertising purposes. I've tried explaining much of what you've described (with less detail/proof) but they just brush me off as being naive. It's tiresome.
steveCharlie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:10:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried clicking the three dot button on the top right corner of the ad and then click on "Why am I seeing this?" I have used it before and it gives you an explanation on how the ad got to you.
TheKingofLiars ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:58:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the truth is boring, as you say, but I still think it's pretty repugnant what Facebook and others do. Then again I hate about 99% of what modern companies do, particularly when it has to do with advertising.
WhyIHateTheInternet ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:21:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't doing anything. No one is forcing anyone to sign up for these data mining services. I certainly do not approve of their tactics therefore I do not participate.
Edit - to be clear I'm not saying that you said they do, I know you weren't saying that.
TheKingofLiars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:13:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my case, I'm a caregiver and Facebook is my mom's preferred method of keeping in touch with family and other caregivers, so I'm stuck holding onto an account. Also, even though none of us are forced to participate, we are certainly pressured to and it's becoming increasingly difficult to function outside of these services. It just bums me out that we haven't figured out a way to offer such services without the shadiness/subscriptions (and no, I have no idea what a better alternative would look like).
WhyIHateTheInternet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preferred method doesn't mean there aren't other ways. I've not had one ounce of difficulty not using Facebook, or any other social media services. If you have access to Facebook it is highly likely you have access to a phone. Why does the world pretend these services are becoming vital? They really aren't. They are, as you put it, preferred, but are absolutely no necessary for anything.
Not knocking you or your mom by the way. But there is no pressure to join Facebook, it's just convenient and extremely popular. But it will never be more convenient than making a phone call. Although I believe it is likely more popular than making a phone call.
generic-user-1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What fucking difference is it answering questions here compared to as an ama? Will you get sued for making things convenient or something?
Mycroftholmez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you're probably right
generic-user-1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say that again.
Mycroftholmez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you're probably right
Pu55y_Liquor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is who you reminded me of with that comment.
Sorry. I'm a little high.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the field is called adops/ad tech and you can read about it all over advertising/marketing websites (digiday, adweek, etc etc).
shits pretty boring most of the time honestly
sonofaresiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There would be about three good questions then everyone would get bored
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao anyone who's ever made a facebook ad know's how easy it is to target your ad to people with specific interests. Pretty basic stuff holmes. AMA.
regretdeletingthat ยท 1121 points ยท Posted at 00:24:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be further up. It's certainly creepy, not because of nefarious spying, but because of how absolutely predictable people are when their actions across the internet are tracked and processed.
Edit: Since the parent was deleted, here is the gist: The guy worked on targeted advertising. He said that they're not spying via camera or microphone, which would be far more processing than it's worth on that scale, and that instead cross-site tracking and cookies across the internet feeding data back to advertisers allow you to be incredibly predictable. Basically, even though you haven't ever searched for product X, your historic interests in products A, B, and C allow them to predict your interest in X, so you get ads for it. But from your perspective you're getting ads for something you've only ever mentioned in conversation, so it seems creepy.
Mr-Blah ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:15:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is more interesting is: are we predictable because we just are or are we predicatable because we are shown and advertised the same stuff independently of our definting characteristics...?
Where does the circle start...?
Mycroftholmez ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:22:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In statistics we call this "endogenous".
It means that some variable (e.g. shown ads) influences behavior (e.g. browsing behavior), which in turn influences the original variable (shown ads).
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:37:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In meteorology we call that a feedback effect.
piptheminkey5 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:23:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In meteorology we call that a feedback effect.
ambientbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:21 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/outoftheloop
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In meteorology we call that a feedback effect.
koorashi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:30:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In meat-eaterology we call that the feeding on baby back ribs....fect.
kau_pau ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In meteorology we call that a feedback effect.
jwaterworth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In meteorology we call that a feedback effect.
NoneMoreForMeThanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In meteorology we call that a feedback effect.
Your_mom_is_a_man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In meteorology we call that a feedback effect.
Iswallowedafly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds odd as hell, but there does seem to be programs in how our brains take in information. Or in how we decide to determine what messaging we will accept based on things as simple as peer pressure and a Dopamine release if something hits our pleasure center.
Just_For_Da_Lulz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:30:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only are we absolutely predictable, but these companies have a ridiculous amount of data about us. It's really not that hard to recognize trends and hypothesize about a person's behavior if you have data on 5 million people's traveling, movie and music preferences, search results, internet history, Facebook posts, Youtube searches, etc.
I think people are more willing to believe their lives are being nefariously tracked other than just admitting that 95% of what we do is the same or very similar to what everyone else does.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:29:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it also has to do with some sort of cognitive bias(es) that cause recent observations to somehow appear more relevant or frequent than they really are.
For example: Was that REALLY the first time facebook recommended that dude to be his friend, or did he just never notice it before because it didn't get his attention until after he saw the dude in person?
maztron ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:49:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are creatures of habit. Its not really that creepy. We all have routines and literally do the same thing everyday.
JWarder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:37:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Additionally, given the number of people on Facebook there is going to be the occasional long-shot coincidence just due to law of large numbers.
BigVikingBeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other reason it seems "creepy" is because of confirmation bias and correlation/causation problems.
You (and me, and everyone else) don't notice the thousands of times these same theoretical matches don't come up, we only notice the ones that do. When it comes to web stuff, we probably aren't even aware of the mountain of data that went into determining what ads to show you, or who to suggest as friends, etc. And because we don't have the ability to remember every minute step we took over a week online, and don't have the ability to simply process that much data in the way that a computer could, it seems magic (or creepy).
eg: you don't notice the hundreds of thousands of street lights that you drive/walk under that continue functioning normally. But you do notice when one goes out right above you.
We notice the coincidences (I drove under a light and it went out right as I was under it, super creepy), and throw out the legion of data that would show that, yeah, it'll happen by chance just because of the quantity you "interact" with on a daily basis.
CubicleFish2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did it say? Deleted
regretdeletingthat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:21:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy worked on targeted advertising. He said that they're not spying via camera or microphone, which would be far more processing than it's worth on that scale, and that instead cross-site tracking and cookies across the internet feeding data back to advertisers allow you to be incredibly predictable. Basically, even though you haven't ever searched for product X, your historic interests in products A, B, and C allow them to predict your interest in X, so you get ads for it. But from your perspective you're getting ads for something you've only ever mentioned in conversation, so it seems creepy.
CubicleFish2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:27:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super interesting! Thanks for taking time to write all of that, I really appreciate it!
arichiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was instead removed rip
regretdeletingthat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I edited a summary in
Doctursea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:54:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still doubtful mostly because the only person who I know who watches the Alex Jones show is my uncle who I live with. I look at his profile on facebook, nor do I look at anything concerning Infowars.
Those are the only ads I get.
Maybe it's not listening to me (cuz that would be a lot), but it's a bit more than an algorithm based on my clicks or visited pages.
regretdeletingthat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:31:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely your uncle uses the same internet connection as you? That would explain it.
laetus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:44:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what a PR person would say to try and hide the fact that they are totally using the microphone to spy on people.
regretdeletingthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the same time, I don't know about Android but on an iPhone it's trivially easy to prevent Facebook accessing the camera and mic, and you still get the creepy ads.
thesunscreen ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:50:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figured that the friend looked him up on facebook to see if he was there.
My biggest complaint about Amazon adds following me around the internet is that I went and shopped for what I needed, then I bought it. So, why are you showing me other ones? How many small bilge pumps do you think I need?
Mycroftholmez ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:00:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just guessing that Amazon's ad network doesn't handle removing user <-> product pairs well.
Seems like an expensive thing to mess up on their side :P
CptNonsense ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to go into Amazon's site and mark stuff as things you don't want recommended for you and remove them from your browsing history. But at least you have that option
SAT0725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Display ads are cheap. When you're paying $1 for a thousand impressions, it's sometimes cheaper and more efficient to have some over-coverage than spend the time constantly tweaking the target.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:59:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mycroftholmez ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:02:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol nah probably not.
It's still factored in (I believe, the weights and factors of that algo changes a lot). But you viewing someone else is sort of just increasing your own "coefficient" for them, not increasing theirs for you (sorry dude).
But if she's checking you out too, then yea you guys will prob see one.
miki151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You suggested in another comment that if someone is FB stalking you, they may get suggested as a friend.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jwaterworth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they'd know that was the reason
bdd4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, she will
nathanwoulfe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:37:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the other thing people forget is that ads etc aren't served just based on your habits, but on the habits of potentially millions of other people who behave similarly to you.
If I have a pool of 500,000 visitors to a site about baby ducks, and of those, 400,000 have also visited a site about butt plugs, I'll probably show butt plug ads to baby duck site visitors when they're doing other non-duck-or-butt-related browsing.
Your behaviour isn't unique. It's entirely predictable.
cakeisnolie1 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 01:00:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea... It's funny how circle jerky places like reddit get about topics like this. Most people here have no idea how consumer technology really actually generates profit from its userbase. It's usually less about actualizing people's devices as spy tools and more that people are often more predictable, understandable and, well, stupid than they think. People are easy cash cows.
xxtoejamfootballxx ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:17:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment chain is the biggest breath of fresh air I've had on reddit in a long time. Everybody is so clueless about online advertising and I get downvoted to hell...despite managing a digital ad agency.
TheKingofLiars ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, ads are disgusting.
xxtoejamfootballxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it helps to understand anything about them when commenting on them
TheKingofLiars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I've worked in marketing and used to pick apart commercials and ad campaigns because I thought it was fun/fascinating (and spent much of college making fake ads for fictional businesses).
I believe I have a solid understanding, I just dislike them. But if you feel I'm missing something, please fill me in.
xxtoejamfootballxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digital ad ops is a lot different than other aspects of marketing. Google as a ton of intro classes on it, it's a good place to start and pretty interesting.
damendred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inherently no, and it's likely how most of the sites you visit are able to function.
And if FB and google offered to charge everyone $10 to use their services instead of ads, few would take it, and bing would offer free with ads, and everyone would flock over there..
TheKingofLiars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I get it, I just hate how much of an industry they've become, the amount of resources and research that goes into producing certain ads and campaigns. I'm not a nut and don't believe there's some big, deep conspiracy about why ads exist and what they're "capable of" - I know perfectly well why ads exist, I used to work in marketing myself and was once fascinated by ads (I would make my own fake/spoof commercials for fun when I was really young). I just feel sick when I think about ads nowadays. It's just a visceral reaction, and probably a bit overblown. I understand perfectly well that they're sort of a necessary evil, but it still bothers me. I'm not an elitist by any means but I'm always a little disappointed when someone I know who is smart, talented, and creative goes into marketing. As a wannabe artist/musician/writer myself, it feels like a betrayal, even though I know that's ridiculous. After all, I'm the one with barely a cent to his name while my friends in marketing are all generally doing well for themselves.
I don't really have a rational argument here; overall society is probably better than it's ever been, and modern advertising plays a big role. I just wish we didn't need it and I wish we valued creative types beyond using them to make money.
Mycroftholmez ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:26:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but sensationalism sells & gets upvotes :)
doc_samson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:30:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This could be a great segment for John Oliver.
How online marketing and advertising really work.
Better if he bought actual ad data and revealed how profiles are built.
ReadWriteRun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. I think it would be actually less interesting than you think when on TV in honest form. Most people either hate ads or dont care that much. The group that hates would be disappointed in the lack of a boogeyman. The 'dont care that much', well, wouldnt care that much. Worked in AdTech for 8 years, deep into the tech / algo / big data side as well as the user side.
Ads work. But not the way the haters claim. They cant make you buy something you dont want. Generally they can make you aware that a produvt exists, consider it if you are in the market, and maybe nudge you over the edge if youre on the fence or inertia is holding you back. Theyre not mind control.
doc_samson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I would geek the fuck out on it. I was around in the 90s when ads first got started (I was on a forum around 1994/5 that first discussed whether ads were even a viable concept and should be shown on that forum, it was so new) and it's still a black art to me. (but I don't work in an industry that uses them like that, so I'm out of the loop)
Also I studied marketing a bit and am interested in big data and data science algos, so I would really geek out on it. Hard. (but of course JO wouldn't go that in depth -- I wonder if there's a Coursera/etc course)
damendred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not who you responded too, but I run a media buying team, and data is really easy to geek out on. It's so interesting to find trends and find weird pockets.
In school, I was the guy who hated math and statistics and just wanted to know the pop-psychology and shit, and statistics and math are like 85% of what I do/have done in this industry.
I learned to love it though.
doc_samson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I was the same way growing up in school, but later in life fell in love with data.
GoodyFourShoes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:52:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a notification from the marketplace the other day. I have only ever looked at it a few times ever, and I have never received a notification about it. The notification was alerting me to an item I'd be interested in-- a newborn basically fetal squirrel that someone had posted to the marketplace after finding it in their backyard.
I have no idea whatsoever why Facebook would think I wanted a naked baby squirrel so much that they needed to send me the first marketplace notification I'd had in years.
xxtoejamfootballxx ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:19:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like to say thank you so much for being the first person I've encountered that has managed to get a top voted comment on this topic. Reddit is so utterly clueless on this topic that I get downvoted any time I post factual information about it.
Mycroftholmez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:01:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for thanking me :) It's fun replying to people - but nice when people actually appreciate it!
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:09:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's one I haven't figured out.... Facebook showing me my tinder matches on my iPad (and only ever seen this on my iPad), when I don't have tinder installed on my iPad, i use a fake Facebook for tinder, i don't have any personal info associated to Facebook (either account) and don't have any contacts in my iPad, or numbers in my Android phone of said matches.
I'm pretty savvy with tracking, ads, etc...and this one has me boggled.
daren_FIRE ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:26:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contacts syncing... Doesn't need to be your contacts, could be your tinder dates contacts and they just reverse match.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:08:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes complete sense! I absolutely bet they are looking for me on Facebook, and finding the same photo that's used on tinder.
Mycroftholmez ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:28:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See what I said about a person viewing your profile ;) you stud you.
The ipad vs. not ipad thing isn't a factor.
ReadWriteRun ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:50:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever logged into your 2nd account from the same machine? Or same IP (ie diff machine, like your phone, but same wifi)? Both make it very easy to join the accounts.
Edit: there are other ways too, like deviceID, even beyond normal cookies, IP, contacts, etc.
ShadowPulse299 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:15:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might be your browser: try testing it https://panopticlick.eff.org/
doc_samson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:34:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you logged into Facebook on two accounts in the same browser it shares cookies and now your identities are linked.
Also your ISP may be injecting "supercookies" in your outgoing HTTP stream to certain sites which pay for them to do it, and providing a list of supercookie->identity lookups so they can correlate your traffic across identities.
REMSheep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you explain this one to me by any chance? I've been trying to figure it out for a while. My dad asked if I could help him order a car battery online. I had never owned a car at that point. Later that day I sat down on the computer that I only use and I had a bunch of ads for car batteries on Facebook. My dad doesn't use wifi at home nor my computer. I definitely never searched for car batteries until days after.
Mycroftholmez ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:43:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you were logged into some account on a computer that your dad used to look at car batteries. It didn't need to be a FB account.
Ton of sites come together to form an "ad network" or "cookie network", and share your browsing history across all of them.
Some cookie networks associate your account with a Facebook account.
It can be a pretty imprecise way to identify users, but that's probably what you're seeing here.
LucyLilium92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
silian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:00:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He means the guy must have had some account linked to the computer the dad was using. Email, google/youtube, whatever. They know you own both accounts so they send the ads they built up for the other account to the account he's using on another computer because they know it's owned by the same guy.
lilzilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:58:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No wifi, but were you plugged into the same router? Could be based on IP address.
Or, coincidence.
REMSheep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He uses his work computer at work, no computer here at home but the ones I own.
Im_with_stooopid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:20:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong, everyone should know it's Jeff Goldblum who watches us poop
crnext ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:51:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found the NSA diversion spokesperson, guys!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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crnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One funding cumming right up!
taa_dow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:44:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It -definitely- pulls from your text contacts.
Mycroftholmez ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:48:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep... on iOS when you open Facebook, it literally asks you to access your contacts so it can suggest friends.
taa_dow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
even if you reply 'skip' it still does it.
le_petit_renard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that now common knowledge for any facebook messenger user?
sgee_123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:35:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also believe that this is partially psychological. FB recommends you a friend that you just happened to randomly think about 6 days earlier, and you freak out about it and think there's some sort of in depth tracking going on. In reality, things like that just pop out to you because it's fresh in your mind.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does facebook do suggested pokes?
Same people keep showing up but I've barely communicated with any of them.
Mycroftholmez ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:14:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly if they're hot and FB wants you to bang
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:17:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is FB trying to make me gay?
Mycroftholmez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. #?
spyxero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I need to ask this then:
I had a coworker given as a suggested friend. He had our work place listed on his profile. I did not. I NEVER have my location services on unless I need them. I don't need them at my work. Ever. We had no mutual friends. I had never searched for him on FB at that point. I had no FB friends at that workplace and had never searched for any on FB. I had searched in chrome for the workplace months before when I was going for the interview.
No mutual interests, I hadn't even updated that I was living that city. My profile still had me over 300 ks away. No overlap other than us working together and I had been careful not to allow it onto FB that I worked there. I see no reason why he and I should be suggested friends.
tsukikari ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:18:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps he and/or other coworkers searched for you which could have let FB guess you were working there? Pretty imprecise method though, but it's definitely possible for the internet to figure out info about you just based on what others search for and post that are related to you even if you don't put any yourself.
memnoc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:05:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Piggybacking to point out the frequency illusion which makes people believe things like ads are more personally relevant than they would have otherwise been.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ayyyyy s/o to my adops boy we out here cookie matching and collecting those predicting behavior segments i see you son
Mycroftholmez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:44:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mah man
brown-guy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, I want to know, can you explain the ads?
Mycroftholmez ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:38:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a really broad topic. What do you want to know?
Waffleradio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...the ads? Explain them.
cd247 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to know everything
lilzilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're asking about OP's anecdotes.
idontevenarse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My google profile thinks I'm a 24 year old woman that's into tech for some reason so my efforts to keep shit private have been paying off I guess. I enabled targeted ads once and shit was hilarious. At some point I was getting women clothing ads and tampons. One time a adult toys of the phallus variety got suggested.
I'm a 40 year old dude. https://adssettings.google.com is where you can see.
StannBrunkelfort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goofle thinks I'm a 35-44 y/o male.
Am male. Am 15 y/o. WTF
GamerScholar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you mind recommending some of such papers/patents/authors? I've been very curious about how Facebook and other services do that kind of stuff but don't know where to begin
Mycroftholmez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good question!
So "network ego" which was the term for the recommendation units like "PYMK - people you may know" has a lot of published papers. The engs that built that stuff were 'wicked sma't'
http://www.casos.cs.cmu.edu/publications/papers/CMU-ISR-09-102.pdf
GamerScholar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! The software in the paper also seems to be a smart way to visualize these data.
kraze1994 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got one that's been bugging me for a while and I can't figure it out. Some time ago I went for a job interview for what I thought was a basic position. I'll save all of the details, but one of the perks of the job was a company credit card. Other than that I've not talked about a business credit card, researched them(why would I?)..etc. Beyond telling people over the phone, via text, or in-person there was no other discussion over a business credit card. The next day I started seeing ads about applying for business credit cards.
Jackie296 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this is a conspiracy and you're try to cover it up
mywordswillgowithyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what does it mean ""coefficient" with one of their friends have gone up"?
BPterodactyl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me, or has ad targeting gotten way more extreme lately? For example, couple of weeks ago a friend linked me a picture of some boots that she wanted over Skype. Immediately half of the ads on Reddit were for this exact pair of boots, and it lasted for a week or two.
Mycroftholmez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:05:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if the image of boots were hosted on the boot sellers site... then you visited the boot sellers site and you're retargeted.
Same is true of pinterest posts (I believe? I don't remember what happened with that partnership).
BPterodactyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Geez :/
munaught1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Mark Zuckerberg
P.s. please don't run for president thnx
JustSomeGoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few months ago I mentioned something about a Rolex watch while my phone was in my hand. I wasn't in a watch store and I never searched for one online nor do I own one. The next day there was a Rolex ad on my Instagram page. Can you explain that?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JustSomeGoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you honestly think I "just happened to notice?" Instagram ads are pretty sparse I usually only see one or two a day. I had never gotten a Rolex ad before and you're telling me the day after I mention Rolex that I just so happen to get a Rolex ad? Out of all the ads I could have possibly gotten I just so happen to get that one even though I never searched for it online or anything. Yeah ok dude.
scobey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consider the millions(billions?) of people targeted with ads. Consider the chance that everyone who talks about a product never sees an ad for that product soon after. It's more likely that someone somewhere will have this coincidence occur. You just won the targetted ad lottery. Also for fun, consider that you are the kind of person to even talk about a Rolex, so you're more likely to have an ad for one target you. And how can you be so confident that you have never been shown a Rolex ad before?
SandS5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you, instagram shows very few ads. I have noticed the same types on things. I was at a garage sale, noticed some nerf guns, talked about them, then I start getting nerf ads. I don't buy the top of the mind or coincidence explanations.
hanselpremium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:38:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why do i keep getting all these hemorrhoid ads??
sunnydk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you spend too much time using fb in the bathroom and fb is warning you that you could get hemorrhoids from sitting on the toilet too long? lol
throwthegarbageaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:51:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you're talking about "top of the mind" is also known as the red car syndrome or the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.
grievre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the best example here is that one store (target?) that started suggesting pregnancy/infant related products to a teenager. Parent got mad at the company. Turns out she was pregnant. The store's algorithm guessed she was pregnant based on her buying habits before she knew.
koalasuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:43:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't send raw audio data. If it's listening for keywords surely it could analyze that in your phone and just send tiny bits with those keywords back.
SAT0725 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"way under-estimate how much can be predicted off of the really basic sh*t they do on a website"
This. I work in digital marketing and I often hear people talk about how they don't care about being on social media because it's not like they share anything of value anyway. But people drastically underestimate what can be correlated from seemingly insignificant data. Even seemingly innocuous social media behavior, over time and when correlated with your various "affinities" -- people you interact with and who interact with you, the content you "like" or otherwise engage with, the content you spend more time paying attention to, etc. -- can provide all kinds of insights as to your personal and professional attributes, attitudes and behaviors. Your religion, your politics, you worldview and potential behaviors -- it isn't that hard to predict when all the factors are run by computer algorithms.
It's been well understood for more than a decade now that all this information, even when "un-identifiable" taken in aggregate, can hurt you. If the algorithms suggest males ages 30 to 40 who live in the Midwest U.S. and play guitar tend to have certain health issues more than other populations, well, you may have to spend more on your health insurance than other groups. It's not a fantasy -- this is real stuff.
TallDankandHandsome ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:10:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they recomend friends based off of wifi or gps for sure. I work for a very large 1 floor company full of cubicles. I am recomended friends of people i sit by all the time. Some of them 100% dont know i exist because they come into a confrence room near my cubicle, and ill get them recomended to my. They dont even see me.
Mycroftholmez ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:13:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're in your network. That means friends of friends. Or you both have the same place listed as your employer on FB.
TallDankandHandsome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont list my employer, or friend anyone at work.
corik_starr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:25:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is your employer listed anywhere other than Facebook? And if not, Google tends to figure out where you work via gps based on frequency and timing of visits, so they may share that guess. From there, easy to recommend others.
TallDankandHandsome ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:55:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have my work in my gps as my work, but i use a address that is 3 blocks away (same company) but i work with 800 people in the same building, and they only recomend people who are near me.
Mycroftholmez ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:39:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they're prob FB stalking you.
I don't think being in a similar location is used - sounds really expensive to calculate for a mediocre signal about how connected you are.
Tarsupin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:40:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I can't speak for FB, but Google tracks what locations you've been to. And if the data is already being tracked, it seems like it wouldn't be overly consequential to check for timestamp matches at that location. Maybe they don't do it (at least not yet), but it doesn't strike me as unreasonable with how much processing power they can handle and how infrequently they would actually have to test for it.
ReadWriteRun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Its not mind reading or listening devices, its something very simple, like using facebook from the same IP or wifi network.
TallDankandHandsome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is what i was thinking. But I don't know much aboit huge wifi networks.
olalof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's my three examples:
I had three job interviews, after that, the job interviewer showed up as a friend suggestion. No mutual friends, nothing.
A guy who lived in the same building as me. No mutual friends, nothing. The only connection geographical.
A guy I played poker with for 5 hours. Was at the same physical location. Nothing else.
sunnydk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:36:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The job interviewer probably looked you up on fb!
olalof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true! Didn't think of that.
Tugalord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Zuckerberg.
Mycroftholmez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw ratz, thanks tho! I'll try again next week
FisterMySister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think youโre probably right in most situations, but I need an explanation on this...
A while back my wife and I got an Amazon Echo and hooked it up in the living room.
One night, in the living room, I was talking with her about how badly I need some new shoes, and specifically said that I want some red and white Nikes.
The next day, I was scrolling Amazon for a new wallet, and this was my search result:
http://imgur.com/a/gvbsY
Edit: I know that these are red and gray in the image, but youโve got to admit that the search has nothing to do with shoes and the timing is uncanny.
Mycroftholmez ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:06:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure Amazon has explicitly said that Echo listens to you. Too lazy to look up source though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit so people that show up in my recommend friends might have been creeping on me? Nice!
Also it definitely is tied to cell phone contacts as well. The day I shared my number with Facebook my recommend friends list exploded.
A_Person12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may know nothing about this, because it relates to YouTube and Amazon.
I was over at a friend's house, and we watched There Will Be Blood on his Amazon account. We talked about it for quite a bit and I went on my way. The next day I was flooded with recommended videos for There Will Be Blood. I hadn't looked up anything about it, texted anyone about it, or even watched it on my account.
Edit: Didn't really ask a question here, but I'd like to know your thoughts on this.
nottoorare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi! I was wondering, how did Facebook suggest I be friends with someone who I'd never met in irl, but was friends with me on Skype and whose number I had?
Edit: Forgot to say, thank you for your time!
AndrewnotJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very interesting
badcheer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you ELI5 how Facebook knew what products I was searching for on other websites? Ex: bridesmaid dresses on David's Bridal, a recliner at Target, basically whatever I'm searching for on Amazon, make up tutorials/product reviews in youtube, vegan/conservation stuff on YouTube, etc. I just don't understand how Facebook knows what products to suggest/advertise based on what I've searched on other websites.
SandS5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those brands have a fb tracker called a pixel hidden on their websites, they have a fb ad campaign set to display ads to people who have visited that site and triggered the pixel.
filg0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ad networks utilize tracking cookies that report what you do across multiple sites. This allows them to better target ads to you on other sites that are a member of the same ad network (based on things you searched for somewhere else that is in the same network).
See adssettings.google.com as kinda an example.
badcheer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's so simple! I don't know why I didn't think of that. Thank you for explaining it.
l4dlouis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the NSA has been listening in to people for years I tell you. YEARS
pabodie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hegelian synthesis in action.
GeronimoJak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain why people who im seeing on OKC or Tinser I've never met or had any interactions with are showing up in my recommended friends section? Even when we don't have mutual friends.
filg0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You both searched each others name.
Iminurcomputer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Zuckerberg!Edit: I guess I'm not funny.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Iminurcomputer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Well shit, I'm not cool at all.
But what you mentioned about data caps is a real note worthy argument. Not to mention my phone can't hold a call half the time so I don't think they're recording audio 24/7.
Mycroftholmez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:31:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok I'm not cool either.
And yep, there's using your noodle.
How did "noodle" end up being grandparent slang for brain? ... doesn't seem like thats what it'd be for.
UTF-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, you would do speech to text because text compresses reallly nicely.
butsuon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the reports of people "running into people in places", is it possible the current version does a bit of bluetooth snooping for nearby users? That's common in games.
Mycroftholmez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm that's interesting. Possibly? The problem is the algorithm is really light... like theres relatively few things we put into. Not sure bluetooth snooping would make the cut
BlueVerse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Answer me this - I signed on a created a Facebook profile solely for the intent of 'locking it down'. I have all visibility and notifications settings turned off, full privacy controls engaged, have never so much as made a post let alone visited someone's profile.
Facebook's friend recommendations are all spot on, people I work with regularly through freelance gigs, despite there being no real connections to most of them. We don't share a employer. I haven't told Facebook anything other then verifying my name, city and birthdate.
The only thing I've got is I am in the same physical location occasionally with these people, but I only have ever used my laptop to sign in, never a phone. Could just being on the same physical sub-net, once, be enough to trigger an avalanche of perfect friend recommendations?
snatchterror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though I've never googled or sent texts about Excedrin and was suddenly bombarded with ads for it. The only time it's come up is when my boyfriend and i talk about it!
detailed_fred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pft. You're just one of those corporate advertising fat cats.
Of course you're going to say that.
Brian3232 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain how a couple years ago I was talking with a coworker in my car about a model airplane that I received from work and later that night, i get model airplane ads having never searched for them before on my phone or anywhere else? I am not into model airplanes at all and it happened after I had received one
bdd4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna disagree on the technology. I worked as a digital marketing analyst for a bank.
Facebook isn't the one tracking you. It's all the other companies who drop cookies on your phone. Facebook receives data from the companies tracking you and decide whether that same cookie is you and shows you the ad without selling the company your data.
You browse to a page. Page drops a cookie on your device. You sign up for a service. They collect your name and email address. That data gets sent to a 3rd company like Bluekai and they assign you side of an internet social security number. Every time you sign up for another service, it assigns that cookie data to that social security number. There are laws regulating this data for banks, so they can't know the real identity of the person, but Bluekai can and they pass your internet SSN thing to them. They know your income level. They know geographical data recorded about your up address. They know what you buy online from everybody using their service. Services like Credeo have the technology to track everything you do.
Once the company who wants to sell something to you, their servers tell Bluekai this person with this real identity searched for rubber ducks. Bluekai says "Oh, I know who that is and here's their number." Bluekai will tell Facebook to show you the ad.
This is a really rudimentary explanation, but companies are definitely making real-time decisions on what ads to show. It's just not Facebook doing that leg work. It's Credeo, Bluekai, Google, etc.
Also, when Facebook bought Instagram, their database expanded. A LOT. They started suggesting people you were connected to on Instagram. Whether or not Facebook is listening to you may not be debatable. Whether another app is listening to you and Facebook is buying that data is another question entirely. This tech is a thing.
DeathDevilize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook is DEFINITELY tracking your voice as well, I sometimes get ads for cigarette paper which I only mention when I buy them in person (in a small store so I still have to say their name) theres no way I would EVER talk about this online because its simply not important enough to mention anywhere.
RationalLies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try NSA. You almost had me for a minute
[deleted] ยท 1206 points ยท Posted at 17:36:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FemtoG ยท 454 points ยท Posted at 18:49:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the beauty of online marketing and why traditional advertising is on its way out.
For a TV spot, the commercial let's say blasts 10,000,000 people, of which maybe 1% will buy the product. But you pay for 10,000,000 views.
For an internet spot, it can specifically blast say, 1,000,000 people of which 10% will buy the product.
As algorithm develops...the 10% will become 15%..20%..30%..50%..
One day..in the far future?
Welcome to Earth little baby. At age 6, you will get these these these products. At age 12, these products. Don't worry, based on your genetic makeup, family analysis, cultural analysis, etc etc, there is 98.55% chance these items will be compatible with you more than anything else on earth.
one-eleven ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 20:22:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although targeted ads are theoretically what you'd want the underlying goal of propping up your brand is a lot tougher to do over digital than in traditional media.
You could get Facebook ads about lots of shoes, but you need the prestige that Nike has built for itself through other mediums to want to drop the money on them over their competitors.
Nanowith ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:34:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working in online brand marketing myself I can say that if you're not the kind of person who's going to click on an ad then you most likely aren't going to see that ad.
Also about a 10% click rate is mostly deemed a success.
We have ways to find the exact people we need to appeal to and then we have methods to get them in touch with brands and products.
Plasticonoband ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10% ?!
Facebook tends to reward the advertiser with cheaper clicks if they achieve a 1% click rate (at least initially, some times, for some types of ads).
Coroxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's just the kind of people I know, but way more people that I meet seem to deem online adds woefully incompetent rather than useful. I don't remember ever picking anything up because of an add (with the exception of Amazon's "people who bought this"), but I've had plenty of laughs at the expense of companies trying to sell me laptops or headphones after I've just researched or bought a pair.
The line "If you aren't the kind of person who's going to click on an add then you won't see it" seems completely untrue.
amaniceguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ad sometimes is just a 'reminder' of a brand. That is why McDonald's and Nike keep on blasting ads in all channels. Do you remember brands like Diadora of Italy? Or Joma of Spain? In the 90s they are kind of bigger then Nike. They are still around, but since you dont see their ads so much, it goes down in your mental hierarchy. Next time you finding shoe, whether its online or off, you are going to look for 'trusted' brand, Nike/Adidas/Asics/Under Armour etc. Brands with mega marketing budget. brands that appear solid to you, eventhough the quality are the same, and probably made by the same third party licensed manufacturer somewhere in China.
octopusdixiecups ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
It's not about selling an individual a product in that moment.
It's about brand reinforcement.
Nobody sees an ad and instantly clicks on it and purchases whatever. Same as nobody sees a commercial and leaves there home to buy X product.
It's about reinforcing the product or brand. Even on a subliminal level
thatG_evanP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally NEVER clicked on an online ad so why am I still getting them?
Nanowith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In case you ever do
thatG_evanP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was a sarcastic comment.
dudius7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cable companies have already toyed with the idea of using microphones on cable boxes to find information for targeted banner ads. Banner ads, not just for websites anymore!
Yankee_Fever ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. It is way to easy and cheap to advertise on the internet. As an internet guy myself, when I see an advertisement in the physical world it unconsciously tells me that this is an actual real company/product that is invested in what they are selling.
the_number_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily true. I work in advertising, and I can tell you that there are still TONS of people out there that stick only to print ads (postcards, newspapers, etc) because they don't understand digital and they are fly-by-night cash grab companies or poorly run "I don't know why I need to advertise anyway" types.
Yankee_Fever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your agreeing with me
AuntyMeme ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:28:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't click. I will never click on any internet/youtube ad. If there is something I am interested in I will type in the url myself or navigate another way.
Yankee_Fever ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:04:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's called an impression. Google knows that you saw the ad on youtube (impression). And if you go to the website through the url, and finish the buying process, analytics will credit the YouTube campaign with an assisted conversion.
They track you from your browser cookies.
There is no escape from it, they know everything.
That's why I laugh at these guys who are concerned about their security and buying some wack ass blackberry phone.
Unless you hide in a boarded up basement, you have no privacy
__theoneandonly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:38:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, exactly what this guy said. Google (and lots of the other guys you don't hear about as much) know pretty much every website you type into your browser.
Do you use Chrome? You might as well be writing down every website you go to and putting it in an email to Google's ad team. Even if you're using an ad blocker, Chrome knows where your mouse hovers, it knows what you're searching for, it knows what you started to type into the omnibar but then deleted. It knows that you were scrolling down a webpage but then you saw a pair of shoes and paused for .75 seconds longer than you paused at any other point on the page...
AllGood0nesAreGone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a source for that?
__theoneandonly ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:59:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The chrome privacy policy
Yankee_Fever ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:15:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just do some research on Google analytics. It is the foundation of the internet
penis_in_my_hand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google knows where you are on earth when you go a website, what browser you are using, what screen resolution you have set, what keyword you typed into the search bar to find the site, how many pages deep you went to find the site in Google search results, what else you have ever clicked on, and a lot more.
Source: If I have Google analytics and Google search console installed on a site, I can know these things for that site. Since Google is Google analytics and search console, they have this data for every site that has these things installed.
In case you're wondering what sites have Google analytics installed, go to the source code for the home page for basically any website you can think of, and ctrl-f "UA-", and you'll find a code like this one: UA-12131688-1 (that's the tracking code for this page).
Google has way more data about what people are doing online than most people realize.
__theoneandonly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:34:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The beauty about online marketing is less about the algorithms. They're a pretty good starting place, but they only go so far
The wonder of online marketing is remarketing campaigns. Basically, if someone visited your site, or clicked on your add, or put something in your Amazon cart and then deleted it, they "follow" you, reminding you to finish your purchase, or trying to convince you to get thing thing you've expressed interest in.
Conversion rate for normal algorithmic ads aren't super great. But remarketing conversion is huge.
Coroxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, neat. Could you source that? I'm super interested.
__theoneandonly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:09:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Info from Google about remarketing
Plasticonoband ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:06:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is adwords certified. I guarantee he could define CTR, CRM, KPI, CPC, and PRH.
AND! I guarantee he knew that PRH was bullshit and that I was making it up.
__theoneandonly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joke's on you, our PRH is 2.8x industry.
I don't actually do the bidding, but I take the data and present it to the clients.
Villyer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:32:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That far future sounds kinda great. If my computer told me exactly what I needed every time I needed it, it would save me a lot of hassle.
There is the issue that advertising companies would probably try to push an expensive version of the product, but you could still get it from another source.
SwellandDecay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A brave new world
FemtoG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:28:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the actual genius vs. the ridiculously simpleminded and obvious concept of 1984
_gosolar_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:35:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I feel like this never actually works? I always get these targeted ads right after I bought a thing. Buy shoes, I get 2 weeks of shoe ads. Buy a tool, I get 2 weeks of tool ads. I don't understand how this helps anyone.
SpicaGenovese ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... growing up on the internet, I've learned how to tune out a LOT of ads. During the US election last year, media outlets were getting fired up about "fake news" like it was a new thing, but discerning browsers have learned how to spot things like that in no time by virtue of experience.
Like the "chum box." I read about it once and knew exactly what website feature the article was talking about. That grid of obvious, sensational links, unrelated to anything, at the bottom of the website.
AsdfeZxcas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not too worried myself. I only see targeted ads for things I've already bought. For the last week or so I've seen nothing but ads for some obscure part I've got coming in the mail already.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is at best a crude oversimplification and at worst just plain old bullshit.
FemtoG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its just taking the concept to its utmost extreme in an infinite timescale "what-if' scenario
jerkyjuice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to start using that "Welcome to earth little baby."
GallMcOxsbig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
South Park was right
snigglydyngus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKEEETCHYYYYYYYYYY
Mr_Ekles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The beauty of online advertisements is that I never have to see them thanks to Ublock Origin.
thebrunox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have the feeling that all this AI movement in the last time by big internet companies has something to do with ways to get and process this kind of data more easily.
sunburn_on_the_brain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It all depends on what you're advertising, though. For certain large purchases, online isn't there yet. I work in print media and we go to over 100,000 homes in my city. The advertisers pay for all 100,000+ homes. And maybe 10-20 people will call. And 3-6 will buy the product or service. Yet the advertiser will make their ad money back on the first sale, and sometimes as much as 30-40x what they spent on the ad on that one sale. I know we're not gonna be around forever, since online keeps evolving and figuring out ways to reach people, but sometimes a very low response rate can be extremely profitable (in fact, some companies don't want a really high response rate because they won't be able to handle all the work.)
coolasafool462 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or they pay you directly to watch their ads.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:22:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Companies spend a ton on ads! Facebook made 27 billion in revenue, they dont charge anything to their users though. Obviously what ever ads facebook is using must be highly effective or companies wouldn't spend the money. Its disgusting.
Plasticonoband ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is disgusting about it? Companies are going to spend that money on advertising somewhere. You're going to see ads on the internet (unless you use ad blockers. Which seem like a thing you might feel better using). If you must see ads online, would you rather they be more or less likely to be relevant to you?
sunburn_on_the_brain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're getting the service for free, you aren't the customer. You're the product.
PresidentPlate ยท 798 points ยท Posted at 18:04:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You agree to give them access to your camera and microphone when you create an account or install it. I've never had a Facebook and don't plan on it.
InVultusSolis ยท 458 points ยท Posted at 19:46:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I only visit Facebook through my browser, always in private mode. I don't have the app.
jojodolphin ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 20:35:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me either, people tell me that the app makes life easier, but I don't need facebook that badly
[deleted] ยท 215 points ยท Posted at 21:16:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it probably makes using Facebook easier. But I wouldn't trust anyone who equates that with life itself.
unapropadope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a lot easier to coordinate group events and things in Facebook; like covering shifts at my work or a large crew of friends of friends that want to come out to play volleyball throughout the week. Notifications are off, but when I need to know a detail like that the app makes life easier
DomesticChaos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:30:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey if you want to manage teams or whatever, try TeamSnap. It's free and it's so much better for contacting people, sharing schedules and rosters.
unapropadope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like through snapchat? I don't m ow my coworkers that well.. and don't want to
DomesticChaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:36:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no no! Not related whatsoever to Snapchat. It's been around a lot longer than SnapChat actually.
I think the name probably comes from being able to manage a team in a snap, lol. All my kids' sports teams use it. I know there's other team management apps out there, but I will vouch personally for this one. You have contact info, schedules, rosters, availabilities of everyone, a chat box for current events, the ability to email everyone important info with just one click, photo sharing, you can even use something where people can sign up to bring beer/food/whatever.
unapropadope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems helpful for a team setting like yours, but I use Facebook for one off event planning as well. You can rely on most people having facebook as well and that's really it's biggest advantage; I don't really "consume" content on there in any way besides that
DomesticChaos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure. I wasn't suggesting you not use FB at all, but just that there are better options for team management specifically if you were wanting to cut down on FB usage.
communistpsychoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta say life has become a lot easier since I stopped going on facebook...
I still use google though...[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:40:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Messenger is part of Facebook and makes contacting most people I know easier
ButchTheKitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Messenger Lite, it doesn't have the fancy chat heads but it's also way less battery intensive and doesn't require nearly as many permissions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also do that in a browser.
famous1622 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
only RES makes life easier
Wombat_H ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very useful for getting into contact with people that you don't have a number for, organizing events, etc.
p_iynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really depends on your life. I'm disabled and it's both difficult and exhausting to get out of the house to see people. And often the times I need the most support are the days I can't make myself get out of bed. So being able to log on Facebook, check in with a smallish group of friends who met online and have the same issue or interests is really nice for me.
I'm able to check in with friends in little, low-pressure ways, can catch up on what's going on with friends that aren't super close but I still care about, and it gives me a place to meet people, despite the fact that I don't really have anywhere IRL to do so. My three bridesmaids are all women I met on Facebook, and now we have a chat group where we talk every single day, many times a day. I would have never met them without fb.
And as a mid-20s person, it is much easier to coordinate on Facebook than elsewhere.
101Mage ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:47:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't possibly see how being connected to everyone you've ever met might be handy? lmao
I fucking hate facebook, but I have to use it to stay in touch with everyone. Are you really that dumb or does it take effort?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, are you saying you can't have Facebook at all without the app on your phone? Because that's dumb.
101Mage ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:59:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I am. For one, you can't message people using their site on your phone, and secondly, it's too much of a pain to zoom in and out and pan around on a phone.
mammakjeks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mobile website tho
ThatGuyWhoEngineers ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:19:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The app is easier, but in addition to the privacy concerns, it's a massive resource hog.
It takes a lot of computing and battery power to track your every waking move.
therestruth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:07:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the straw that broke the camels back. It drained my battery. I uninstalled the app a long time a go and started using FB far less. Now I only have one to see a few articles and the pictures my sister and cousin post on occasion.
JamesGoodall ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:53:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. My battery would die in my pocket within about three hours when I had the app installed, so I got rid of it and miraculously my phone could last almost two days again. At first I would check the mobile site about once a day, but now it's probably been a month since I've been on it, and it's honestly fantastic.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of lousy phones do y'all have
JamesGoodall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
S5 with an admittedly abused battery. Still lasts a hell of a lot longer than when I had the app installed.
ThatGuyWhoEngineers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swipe is a decent wrapper that keeps your privacy and helps your battery. There's a paid version that has a few more bells and whistles like filtering ads.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RazzyT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't really matter. Still data mine you
devious00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not using Facebook at all really makes life easier. Except for the incessant hounding of "Why don't you use Facebook? You should!"
jojodolphin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly only use facebook as a means of contacting people if I don't have their phone number. It almost never fails. Also, companies that I've worked for in the past have used Facebook as our main source of communication.
septag0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. They intentionally remove features using a browser, like getting to msgs, to push you to use their apps
Aint-no-preacher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I deleted the app off of my phone. It was the best decision I've ever made. I'd quit Facebook all together but I keep my account because I need it once in a while for work purposes.
FERN-RAI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I uninstalled facebook because of its large data and space consumption
B_crunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Lite. It's a third party Facebook app that uses the mobile browser version of Facebook. It's nice to have a dedicated app for it without having to worry about it draining the battery and tracking my every move.
masterkief117 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:18:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I downloaded the app and uninstalled 10 mins later. Made it way more complicated for me if anything. Way too much going on.
o2000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Metal is a great app for this. It's Facebook but without the constant surveillance.
daKEEBLERelf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Folio, it accesses the mobile website and makes it functional on a phone.
RazzyT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your tos allows them to do it through the web too. Also private mode just doesn't save your history Facebook still can keep cookies about your other web site visits
InVultusSolis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't get access to my microphone, pictures, location, contacts, anything, if I only visit through the browser.
Facebook doesn't "keep" cookies. Your browser gets one, and sends it back for every subsequent request to the origin server, as long as you haven't disabled cookies. Your browser will send cookies in private mode, because obviously you have to keep state across multiple requests. However, once I turn off private mode, the cookie disappears. Facebook can only track my web activity inside private mode, and as long as I'm going to sites that have a snippet of Facebook code installed.
RazzyT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
InVultusSolis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RazzyT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was not under the impression that computers shared ip address's, and the fact that VPN doesn't change anything are you talking about, are you talking about deep packet inspection? You have proven that you know what your talking about with your big boy words and stuff so maybe you know something I don't. Teach me something. Elaborate
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I deleted Facebook.
Unique_Name_8972 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a camera/mic on your computer /Laptop?
InVultusSolis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:33:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. But I have a lot more control over how those things are used on the PC. I would never give Facebook permission to use them via my browser.
sharr_zeor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
App came pre installed on my phone and I can disable it but not remove it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I totally agree with your method. You should google super cookies.
InVultusSolis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing "super" about them. You can do a bit of voodoo to track someone across the web, but if they're belligerently explicitly not sending cookies, the methods used become so ineffective as to be almost useless.
toothofjustice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You also visit Facebook every time some one else mentions that you exist or has you in their contact list while on Facebook.
I have never had an account, but Facebook knows all of my habits through my wife.
ElephantElmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I deleted the app after they tried forcing me to install messenger. No way am I installing two of their apps.
more_lem0n_pledge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just deleted my Facebook app last week, and I actually like how cumbersome it is to use it in my browser. I spend a lot less time looking at stupid pictures of text and the reddit front page stuff from two weeks ago.
Kyle7945 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bought the Samsung Gear VR and in order to use it, it made me download the Facebook app. I was pissed but I wanted to use the damn thing. Anyone want to buy a Samsung Gear VR?
Brian3613 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have the App because it sucks
Wiki_pedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've also deleted the app and only use the browser. I log out immediately, so FB doesn't track the other websites I visit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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InVultusSolis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I don't like looking up an item on a whim and getting targeted ads for it for months.
Gocubbies0405 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:08:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People still use that app?
InVultusSolis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they hate battery life they do.
ktdaverill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have the android version of the app, you can choose what features the app can gain access too, I've turned off the apps ability to track my location and from using my camera or mic,
hateboresme ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:45:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. They are not recording your conversations.
positiveinfluences ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 04:12:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha aw. I wish I could be so naive still. I work in computer science, they're listening. Not to literal microphones, but they convert speech to text and sell the things we talk about to advertisers. a big beautiful world
hateboresme ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:51:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahah. aw. I'm glad I'm not a paranoid moron.
No. They're not.
They do not have the resources to convert everything that more than 250 million people say for 24 hours a day, seven days a week to text and then run matching algorithms and create profiles of each person. At least not on top of what they are ACTUALLY doing which is using your search terms and a bunch of other information that they gather from previous purchases, video watching habits and emails to create an advertising profile...oh and run the worlds largest search engine.
I couldn't give less of a shit what irrelevant thing you do for a living.
positiveinfluences ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever, you're wrong. No data mining company needs the "resources" to do speech to text on consumers, it happens locally on all of our smart phones. And it doesn't have to happen on every user at once, datamining companies are assuredly using AI to parse through search histories, user locations, etc to selectively process speech. This is the future dude, whether you like it or not
hateboresme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe another thing that Google is doing is using nanotech to sneak into our ears and copy our brains. Then they rebuild our brains in their virtual processing facilities. They then run a simulation on each brain. This allows them to see what kinds of things we buy in the simulation and then they use this information to send ads to us about hammers and saucepans. It is entirely possible that you are in the advertisement focus simulation right now!
This scenario has as much evidence behind it as yours.
Oh, and the reason that Facebook wants to have access to your microphone and camera is so that you can use Facebook. Facebook allows people to post images and videos to their feeds. This is distressingly difficult to do without a camera and microphone.
positiveinfluences ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*a big shrug*
Dude, big data is the commodity in this age. Data collection so vast and broadreaching that it's driving the development of AI to be able to parse trends from this data that no human being could ever understand. None of this is a secret, data is being mined and sold and unprecedented rates. Facebook is training AI on real people's messages in their messenger platform to (in their words) find trends in people who are likely to commit suicide. All of this is currently happening, not even under the table. You can say that it's crazy, because it is. But it's still happening whether or not you like it
Sightofthestars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:49:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And your search history.
But I don't know how many times I've had facebook open and I'm doing things and nothing ever shows up.
Also confirmation bias is a thing
Pawprintjj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least with Android Kit-Kat or higher you can control app permissions. At the moment, my Facebook app only has the Storage permission. Microphone, camera, location...all turned off.
__theoneandonly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iOS has always been like this. The phone has to ask for each permission one at a time, and you can say yes or no to each. And the app isn't allowed to lock you out because you said no to something.
So I have my microphone turned off on the Facebook app. And I have location set to "only while using app."
st00pidm0nkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are ways to modify access to programs on Android devices without even ruiting...
st00pidm0nkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are ways to modify access to programs on Android devices without even ruiting...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I also have no Mic or camera on my computer
domestic_omnom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I read that and assumed it was just for messenger's video chat.
cryo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is. People are spreading FUD.
TheZerothLaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're off the grid!
but you still went back to the carpet store
grimskrotum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this why? I don't know, I never saw the big deal in anything like this. I'm a fairly uninteresting guy and have nothing to hide. In all honesty, if I had to see ads, I'd rather see ads relevant to me than random internet "commercials". I just don't get the outrage. If this is true and Facebook/YouTube etc can listen to your mic, who cares?
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No itโs not why.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can always see when an app is currently accessing the microphone or camera, and Facebook isnโt unless you activate that feature. Certainly not when the app is not in the foreground.
Blackfile09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You actually don't, since android (and I assume Apple) asks you to give permission for an app to use your contacts, phone, camera, mic, folders, etc. The facebook app works without giving permission for either the camera or mic. Companies always listening/watching is not a thing. It requires much more computing power than they have and is just not worth it in general. You generally don't notice ads unless they are about something relevant you've recently thought of. This is explained in /u/Mycroftholmez reply.
Lammy8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Android, just disable access to those permissions ๐
qzcorral ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...i don't have a fb but it came preinstalled and unable to be deleted on my samsung s7...can they listen to me?
cryo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely not.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:32:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.... if you have google maps, of course, you're being tracked. That's what the program does; indicate where you are. And request data from google relating to your location. And you explicitly give your phone permission to do that.
$64,000 question. Did you buy the paint at a big, general hardware store or did you buy paint from a dedicated paint store?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.com/maps/timeline
Nonthares ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter where he bought the remodel supplies. Any online research/purchases he did and any runs to any type of home improvement store would be enough to trigger paint ads. Painting is cheap, easy, common, and likely to be done soon by anyone doing any sort of home improvement.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm accepting the claim that NO searches were done for paint supplies or techniques etc. I agree that there's a high chance something's slipping his mind and he actually did some kind of online research at some point but I wanted to postulate how it might happen in the absence of that.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is the ad was for Lowes, I never went to lowes, I went to Menards.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? Lowes buys ads targeting people that visited Menards. That is a VERY common practice.
jumpouthewindow ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:29:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are way overestimating what they do and underestimating what they can do with the basic info you give them using the internet
NoAstronomer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:32:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember that YouTube = Google. And Google knows everything.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're so right.
theycallmeponcho ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:20:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegally? We accepted the terms and conditions while creating our account.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting...
Zondor1256 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:49:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TOC's/ EULAs my friend, might want to give them a read when you install stuff and whatnot.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if you uninstall or deactivate your facebook, what happens then?
CaptainFilmy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:08:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zuckerberg shows up at your door with a crowbar and breaks your kneecaps
vgf89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have anything that could tip them off sent to your Gmail? I.e. bank notifications, online orders, etc that are at least tangentially related to your home remodeling?
193X ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:25:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just going to a hardware store's website?
Google and Facebook's advertising algorithms are really not that sophisticated - I'll buy something and I'll get nothing but ads for the thing I already bought, and ads for the site I bought it from for like a month. There's a lot of throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping you click still.
pubesforhire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens to me all the goddamn time. I'm childfree and was once talking to a coworker about babies. I go on my break and my feed is suddenly ads for pregnancy tests and IVF, all that nonsense. I'd never once had those ads on my feed before.
It's so creepy.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it happens once in a while, just scary..
sierrabravo1984 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's freaky and my wife doesn't believe me. We were talking about a plumbing problem in our shower and she said I should call a plumber to get it taken care of. I started getting youtube video recommendations about how to snake a drain and stuff like that. Her friend told her on the phone about how she was going to have another kid and now her facebook is showing diaper ads.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao crazy
tumsdout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure you didn't google anything related?
Because that's how they get me
devious00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:11:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as advanced as you think. I have GPS turned on on my phone and whenever it notices I'm near, or have recently went in to a store my phone will pop up with "How did you enjoy your visit at ____ location? Please write a review and rate it!"
If you have this turned on and have went to a hardware store, it will be stored in your GPS. Facebook can easily access this, especially if you use Facebook on your phone and have agreed to its EULA. Every app you install, a window pops up stating "This app needs access to photos, contacts, locations" etc. You agreed to that, so Facebook can easily track you via GPS. It's a feature built in to your phone that Facebook can take advantage of.
This is one of the reasons I'll never use Facebook. Much to invasive.
popcan2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not "Illegally", all those multiple terms of services nobody reads to use your device after you dropped $500 on it or when you sign up to a site, mean something.
SunshinePumpkin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had people over, someone brought this fancy lemonade. I have never bought it, looked at it, nothing. I was cleaning up and grabbed the bottle, looked at and threw it in the recycling. Within minutes I got my phone and looked at fb and there was an ad for the lemonade. I was by myself and didn't even have my phone on me when I looked at that bottle. I still don't understand that one.
piptheminkey5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they were marketing to people like you.. And your friend saw the same ad, and that's why they bought the lemonade in the first place
SunshinePumpkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't work on me. I hate lemonade!
OhGarraty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Websites share information. You use a search engine often, yeah? You ever look up how to fix something related to remodeling a house - running electrical cable, or looking at paint swatches, something like that? Guarantee you another company bought that info and then sent a targeted ad based on it. They're not watching or listening, they're just following your tracks.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, it's just unbelievable how much info they have on us.
CatsOnACrane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I googled K&N air filters and intakes. It's now an ad on every website I look at.
PirateRobotNinjaofDe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you buy paint on your credit card?
WellSeeHeresTheThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you looked recently at any websites about home improvement, or searched any sites for pain/hardware, or Google maps tracked you to a hardware store (maybe? they have this data but I don't know if they use it), then Google put your unique id (via cookies, usually) into a bucket for retargeted advertising regarding home improvement or specifically house painting.
There's an option to opt out of personalised advertising, so you'll get random ads instead.
sjmiv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever been on a home improvement store website? It showed you that video because of your browsing history
ttuurrppiinn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any chance you make a google search related to home improvement? If so, you can guarantee the search product shares data with YouTube. Did you visit any home improvement store websites? If so, they probably have Google Analytics for tracking purposes, and that got fed back into YouTube.
There's such a mingling of data between Google search product and Google/Facebook's tracking services that people have a vast underestimation of the data being collected on the via legal means.
gattaaca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't be possible for them to stream everything you're saying and 'spy' on you per-se. The data costs would be too obvious.
I've long imagined they have some kind of local keyword recognition going on. It would then returns ads based on those keywords. Would require a bit of battery usage, barely any data transfer.
To really test this I guess you could put your phone next to a foreign language radio station (one you've got absolutely nothing to do with or no knowledge of) for a while or something. See if you start getting ads / content for that country.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will definitely try this!
Nicholle2017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking to my friend the other day about Kylie Lip Kits, I got a friend request on instagram for Kylie Lip Kits
Edwardian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But, did you shop for renovation items on google or Amazon? These are all linked, and most likely the causal factor.
greenlemon23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone may have said this already... but if you've gone to any kind of website to look at renovation stuff, advertisers can hit you with a renovation message. It's done via non-personal data. Advertisers just enter a bunch of parameters (i.e. show my add to anyone who's shown in interest in topic X) - if you do topic specific activities on the internet, you're going to get targeted, generically.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right..
eXo5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible that in the days leading up to your remodeling you googled something staircase related and then, well (hokie internet magic())?
ejohnson382 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my lifetime, I've probably seen over 10,000 ads on the internet (not including ads shown to me in the sidebar of any webpage I'm viewing). Chances are high that eventually, I'm going to see an ad that directly applies to whatever situation/circumstance I'm currently dealing with. The human mind tends to see patterns: some exist, some don't. Try not to look into it too deeply.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm you could be right, or they collected my data when I searched something in Google.
MatlockJr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you google anything at all to do with remodelling? Remember YouTube is owned by Google, so it makes sense that the recommended vids are you going to relate to your search history.
Facefarmdotcom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:03:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to reply to you because I've done some ad targeting that has achieved the result your talking about.
You need to consider all your data and cross-site tracking.
For tracking - ad companies will often have pixels installed on websites that help profile users as they move from site to site. For example: You are painting, so maybe you did a google search on paint or visited Home Depot's website and looked at paint. The paint company or Home Depot (whoever is paying to serve up those YouTube preroll videos) uses the profile they've built on you, based on site visits, to deliver these targeted ads that are very topical to something you are doing.
In addition to your online data, many credit card companies track what was bought and where and use that to help profile consumer groups in a specific area.
As a marketer you can take all of these data points and deliver ad buy programs that can have much higher potential to reach the customer because they are delivering relevant information.
So it's probably not Facebook listening in on you, but a combination of mined data points based on your online browsing history and credit card purchases that have created a profile a paint company is using to deliver ads to a set of people you happen to fall into.
Not that this isn't freaky. But it's more computers analyzing data points than humans watching you specifically.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for explaining, makes sense.
serviceenginesoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:24:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But did you Google anything about the remodel? Doesn't Google own YouTube now?
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just found that out...
Cirias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:18:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you do a Google search while logged into your Google account? It's the same one YouTube uses.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Cirias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That always catches me out lol
whattocallmyself ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This type of stuff has happened a couple times to me.
Me and the kids were watching youtube videos and an ad for Disney started loading, but was lagging. I said something like "Boo Disney, nobody likes you" and the ad immediately closed itself and the video started playing. And I haven't seen an online ad for Disney since then.
Another time, I was at someone else's house and we were talking a little about Red Dead Redemption. That night, at home, when I opened youtube, some of the first suggestions were for videos about Red Dead Redemption. This continued for a few weeks.
LemonLimeAlltheTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not illegal when YOU opt in. No one is making you use it!
Quinnycola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To test it, play the audio of a conversation completely in another language. See if your phone switches to that language or suggests translating pages
watchthesunrise2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will totally do that, and I do speak other languages - will see how this unfolds.
mysticmusti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had it happen with google recently.
I was talking to my mom who said she had to figure out how to get to "saint something" street, there's a thousand streets starting with saint in this country, there's saint "blabla" hospitals and what not, and this street is anything but popular. So I type in "google maps saint" and right at the top is the bloody street I was just talking about.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow...
wha1esharky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to a home repair store to prep for remodeling? I know companies use your WiFi on your device pinging to identify you and collect marketing data. I would not be surprised at all if these companies share data to target ads. I'm fairly certain some major retailer had a bit of controversy over this recently.
boredsubwoofer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you use a credit card to buy your remodeling equipment? Or did you search google for contractors ? If so, then google take a that data in order to send you relevant ads. It's not Facebook spying on you. It's social media/ email taking the data you readily give them
Breezle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you buy products to paint? Consumer data is tracked
SuicydKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, YouTube is part of Google. Were you looking up anything to do with painting or remodeling?
GodEmperorBrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you google anything about home remodeling? Because YouTube definitely knows what you're googling.
p3t3r133 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to a hardware store? GPS data is used for this
olalof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't google anything regarding your remodeling?
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I did google, but not youtube.
olalof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube is owned by Google and they share data
SheeEttin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More likely you just noticed it because of the coincidence. Are there often ads for other, possibly similar things?
pessimisticdesigner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But did you use google just once to look up anything or buy any materials? Or even look up related but not explicit things because google owns YouTube so their algorithms will be linked to YouTube's.
Also remember you are one drip in the ocean of billions of users data so your data is basically invisible due to the sheer volume they take in. Its highly highly unlikely any human from YouTube/google will ever look at what you have watched, let alone what the search algorithms picked up from previous searches/data recording.
hateboresme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't have to enter anything into YouTube . You only had to search with Google. Google owns YouTube. So if you searched for anything related to your remodeling you triggered the tailored ads. People don't search for paint and curtains if they aren't remodeling.
watchthesunrise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I didn't know Google owned YouTube...
Chokingzombie ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 17:30:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I want to cut social media out but they make it hard. I turned off FB and deleted it from my phone; two days later I had to reinstall to sign into my Spotify and a few other apps.
On a side note: If anyone knows how to find your spotify username let me know. I want to cut FB and this is the only reason I have it. (Music is important to me)
ankensam ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:34:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact Spotify. When I deleted Facebook for the first time I got in touch with Spotify to reinstate my account and they were very helpful about it. They even gave me a free month of premium!
Yostamaphone ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:30:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had originally made my Spotify account via Facebook. Years later, I could not login to Spotify without logging back into Facebook. I contacted Spotify and they walked me through making a new account, where they they send all your Playlists and friends and such to. Then you cancel the original account, shut down Facebook. All good.
kthxtyler ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 17:36:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use the browser version and stay off the app or use a desktop version
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:21:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why, if there's an option to use another service's account, I never use such things when making new accounts.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:31:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
google music is cheaper by a couple dollars and youtube red is included
Chokingzombie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:10:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I tried it and I got a subscription to Groove until 2020 for free (thanks Reddit!) but I have sooooo much content on Spotify (playlists and such) and I also use my phone to stream music via bluetooth in my car and Spotify is the only one the never fucks up.
I'm sad I resubbed to Spotify because I thought the free sub to Groove would suffice; but less than a week after losing it I missed how easy Spotify is to use. And they have been missing some music I've looked for. =(.
But now I use both, Groove has a Vince Staples album that Spotify doesn't.
Bodiwire ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:11:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are a prime member, Amazon prime music is actually pretty good. It doesn't have as large or diverse a catalog as spotify, but it's pretty good for no additional cost if you are a prime member. I can usually find about 80% of the artists/albums/songs I'm looking for with it. This may depend heavily on what sort of music you listen to though. Not perfect, but good enough that I'm not going to bother signing up for for an additional bill for spotify premium. They also have an "prime unlimited" thing for an additional monthly cost that includes more artists, but it seems pretty pointless to me. Usually what I'm looking for is either included with prime anyway, or isn't available at all even with unlimited.
thesunscreen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:56:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prime is such a great deal. The only problem I have with using it is that the interfaces are so clunky.
Take Prime video, I find a series I want to watch..good, well instead of a handy drop down menu to select different seasons you have to click on another thumbnail.
I tried prime music once but it just wasn't right, I like my spotify recomendations.
Prime also comes with a dropboxesk app and they give you some amount of free data storage with it.
It really is service after service included but I don't use any of them apart from 2 day shipping and to watch The Grand Tour as soon as it comes out.
Bodiwire ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that their video app is pretty terrible, in terms of the app itself not the content. I actually like the audio app though and haven't had any trouble with it. I honestly don't really like the spotify app and find it far more clunky. That may be because I'm using the Android version though. I've heard spotfy's Android app is much worse than the iPhone version. I haven't used the iPhone version so I can't comment on it, but the Android version leaves me very unimpressed.
h6xy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe soundiiz has support for turning spotify playlists into groove playlists, if you want to try that
8hole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you get free groove?
filipelm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, how do I get the free Groove subscription?
Jamesinatr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:35:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google is 2x for students though :/ Spotify have 50% off. The Spotify app is also much less buggy in my experience
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cause they would never spy on you, right?
Umphreeze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ruv google music
Spork-in-Your-Rye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo I thought I was tripping. A couple years ago when I first made my Spotify account, I logged back in and got an email saying "welcome back to FB" or something like that and it was insane. I had my FB deleted for years by that point. I still have no idea how that happened.
st_owly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I signed up to Spotify before they added FB integration so I've always known mine. Did you sign up with FB?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have Facebook but I do have Spotify, so there must be a way. I'm sorry this comment wasn't actually very helpful, I guess I'm just letting you know it can be done
icastro25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can contact Spotify directly and they can unlink your Facebook account to Spotify. I had to do this when I uninstalled my Facebook app from my phone.
HaggisHaggisHaggis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you don't integrate across social media, friend.
qzcorral ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me. If you signed up for Spotify using your FB login you cannot change it. But! You can create a new account using an email address instead of FB, then contact Spotify customer support. They will transfer everything over to your new account for you. It's a slight PITA but worth it to be free from the evils of FB.
glitterybugs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too deleted Facebook, but it was linked to my Spotify. I contacted Spotify, they created a new account for me, moved all my playlists and songs over, and gave me a free month of premium too. It was so awesome. Best customer service I have had. I haven't had a problem since. I highly recommend you contact them, they'll walk you through it and it didn't take very long at all.
therealtheremin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the way to unlink your fb and Spotify accounts: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/Tutorial-How-to-Disconnect-Spotify-from-Facebook/td-p/247266/page/16
Bbhmh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it sucks but the only workaround I've found is making a new Spotify account from scratch without using your Facebook to sign up.
Then you can make a username and log in that way.
What I did was make the new one, then searched for my own original Facebook profile through that one, copied over my playlists, then deleted my Facebook knowing I could never log back into that original Spotify account.
2 years no Facebook, but I get to keep all my music collections! Hope this helps
americannoisee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have Spotify Premium, you can create a device password and use it to log in without Facebook
tryallthescience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I first signed up for Spotify using Facebook, then got Spotify Premium, would I then be able to create a device password and log in without Facebook but keep all of my playlists and stuff? Or do I just need to make a new account?
americannoisee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I followed this guide - I've reactivated Facebook now, but while it was deactivated I could still log into Spotify on all my devices and access Premium and all my playlists.
tryallthescience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is great, thanks!
Tate_Langdon92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same problem before. I unsubscribed the Spotify connected to Facebook and resubscribed usi g a regular email. Unsubscribed facebook after foreverrr.
Sightofthestars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you just link a new email? But as far as username goes my husband's is listed on the bottom of the app...?
uniquenewyork27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You Can Write them a Mail. I did the Same. They answered one day later and seperated My fb Account from My spotify Account.
incrediblejames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can install spotify, and sign in using FB username, without having FB app installed.
just remember your FB username& password everytime sopify asked for it.
mickeymouse4348 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make a new Spotify account with a username and password rather then signing in thru fb
gd_akula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need facebook installed.
simonbsez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I closed my FB account a while back and had my Spotify account linked to it. In my case, I had to contact Spotify support and ask them to switch my account over to my email address.
Bodiwire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might not be worth the effort for you, but you can get a spotify account without facebook now. When I first started hearing about spotify a few years ago I tried to check it out but it required a facebook login to sign up. I didn't have a facebook and wasn't about to make one just to use a music service. A few months ago I checked again and I was able to sign up with just an email. I don't know if there is any way to easily copy all your playlists and settings to a new account though.
ijustlikecake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had Spotify premium connected to Facebook, deleted the Facebook account and realized I couldn't used Spotify. I just sent Spotify an email, they responded in literally under 5 minutes and sorted it out. Ended up making a new account and Spotify managed to merge them somehow via email, so all my playlists and recommendations were still there. Best customer service I've experienced.
geedavey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I have two Facebook accounts, one is hooked up to a throwaway email I've long since abandoned, and I use it for everything I don't want to share in my personal universe.
xpletive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can contact spotify support to delink your account from FB and login with a username instead
NotOneStar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to email spotify support to divorce your Facebook account from your Spotify account
AmNotSatan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try faceslim, it's basically a web wrapper around the mobile fb site, with a few extra touches, so you can sign into your needed accounts without all the baggage and battery drain of fb official.
coulduseagoodfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:16 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had this problem. Email Spotify and they'll sort it for you.
2210-2211 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:35:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never use any social media, I have Facebook messenger but only use it to occasionally talk to my cousin. Never use anything else. I have almost 0 online presence and it feels good man, although sometimes I feel like I'm the only one not completely absorbed in it all. You should get off social media, I'm a lot better off for it and I feel like most people would be, that shit is toxic.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just buy fucking CDs...
Chokingzombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My CD player broke but my bluetooth works. I have a huge book of CD's and was actually buying CD's up until it broke.
Turns out 4.99 a month for spotify is much much cheaper than 12.99 - 18.99 per album I want every month (usually 2 or 3).
I still buy physical sometimes for the novelty and it feels like I'm supporting the artist, but I only buy from artists I've listened to for a very long time.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 19:28:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So privacy vs cash, I guess. You weighed your options and chose Spotify. Now you're asking how to get your privacy back while defending your original broken choice.
Download Tor, then download music. You're trying to walk too thin a line between saving money, keeping your privacy, and somehow supporting the artists monetarily. It's not possible anymore.
Chokingzombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't pirate anymore, unfortunately until I move my internet gets throttled to NO END if I even start seeding.
https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/2phwhb/found_an_actual_solution_to_deactivating_facebook/
Someone sent it in a message so you guys couldn't see it. Problem solved!
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:20:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ReturnOf_TheHack ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:46:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is just some ploy to get me to listen to spanish radio while i sleep isn't it? well it is gonna work.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried it. Doesn't work. It's bs.
helpful-loner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you haven't had enough time to try it overnight there genius
pls-dont-judge-me ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This may come as a shock but he may have tried it before this guy posted it. It was a pretty common myth going around.
helpful-loner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:33:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
impossible, op is the first to know of this.
helpful-loner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:33:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
impossible, op is the first to know of this.
beaverteeth92 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:24:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least for the first two, it doesn't have to be listening into conversations. It's possible that you had his email in your phone and it knew you were close to him based on GPS tracking. Or it noticed you had a mutual friend between the two of you.
WatNxt ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:28:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, if you connect to the same WiFi. If the other person looked you up on facebook but didnt ask you to bz a friend.
AnalTyrant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:07:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, those first two are definitely tied to having visited the same GPS location and then possibly having a mutual contact or other similar statistic involved.
The third option sounds like it could just be very simple predictive analytics based off a handful of metrics that google and/or Facebook have on the user. And confirmation bias would account for the user taking particular recognition of the ad they noticed.
I can't tell you how many ads I'm served in a single day that aren't directly relevant to me, but would be relevant to other people that are very similar to me. But the one time they are spot on, I don't freak out thinking they're spying on me, their algorithm just happened to get a good hit.
thestickystickman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first two honestly sound like Baader-Meinhof.
WokeUpAsADonut ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:11:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had this same sort of experience the other day with Walmart's website, opened it up to search for something and it had a Buy it Again section filled with items I bought in person. No log in or even the same card as I used when I last bought online, but it still knew
while-eating-pasta ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:26:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But still a card? If so they matched the ID with the bank / credit card to the ID of your account.
Sightofthestars ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:52:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or he used savings catcher, or he searched for the aisle # for something within the app
someeyes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:42:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the same card
incrediblejames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that just cookies
CheifDash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same thing. Stuff I usually buy at Kroger , like some specific crackers , I saw an ad for on Facebook. I was like what the hell...
afqrzv ยท 223 points ยท Posted at 17:57:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean facebook has been sued for this very reason. When you allow it to use your mic it never says when it uses it. I firmly believe that facebook app listens to your conversations and is the exact reason I uninstalled the application.
Exist50 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:34:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lawsuit doesn't equal guilt, or I can give you a thousand BS suits from tech.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:36:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ This is true.
Facebook does know how to use your data to recommend friends, and ads are tailored to your browsing habits; but turn off your GPS, clear your browser history/cookies every so often, and they are nearly blind to your life if its not already directly on your page or given to them. You will get a lot more randomness to your ads and Facebook related things if you clear all of it (try it with Amazon, before and after clearing cookies/cache/browser history).
Sure there are ways for people to use your microphone and video without you knowing, but for someone to do that you pretty much have to let them in in the first place for them to control the hardware (Malware, viruses, etc). You can allow access to those sorts of things (like google asking permission to use the mic on your phone), but at that point you're giving it permission to listen when you click on it.
Without explicit permission or access there aren't many ways to go about controlling the mic/camera without noticing its on, and no average person is really that special enough to warrant time and effort spent on them to collect data when its 100x easier for a company to look at browser history, GPS, or basic key words said into their own microphone when they turn it on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But their permission say they can have it on whenever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More often that not you have a way to actually shut it off (on by default usually), if you wouldn't be able to it wouldn't really be legal; which is a whole different can of worms.
You can shut services off for things that "track" you like GPS or mics or cameras in settings for most applications, usually for a loss of some sort of service that is provided (you can't use Facebook voice chat without letting it have permission to use the mic), but you keep your privacy by it not listening for keywords in a conversation to sell you cheap crap.
Always on, unless you tell it no.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:58:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes there is a way, but when people give them permisssion to use their microphone for recording a video or something, they dont know what else it is allowed to do
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do know what else it is allowed to do, them collecting what they want when you give them permission is in 99.99999% of user agreements for everything; apps to Facebook. It comes down to the indivdual understanding what they're doing and agreeing to, but no one wants to read an entire user agreement.
Between the internet and decent people if Facebook was legitimately listening in when they weren't legally allowed to someone would know (either a working engineer looking to detect it, or someone at Facebook itself).
Simon_x ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:13:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, you can inspect every piece of traffic going across your network if you want to actually verify this. (Spoiler: it's not happening).
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:03:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 19:11:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is nowhere near that capable. Have you even used the search function? I'd sooner believe a ghost is selling your information to the CIA than believe Reddit could index a God damned thing.
Or maybe that's what they want us to believe?
LemonLimeAlltheTime ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:13:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that as a business it makes way more sense to invest in the thing that actually makes them money as opposed to fixing their shitty but functional search bar
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:32:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you...use Google and then are surprised when Reddit uses it to sell you adds?
Imma give you a second to think this through...
And isn't Reddit seaecht operated by a Google competitor? "Hey Siri. Bing "Google."
Mmffgg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sending voice messages
Rabidleopard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think the search sucks because all thier people are selling your information to a CIA ghost.
glitterymuthafucka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, officer.
JFCrls ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:16:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the trade off, nothing is free. Your Reddit account, your Facebook account, your Instagram etc... you don't pay a dime for them, but you let them collect all that sweet sweet data.
JamEngulfer221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no. This is ridiculous. Reddit isn't scanning the texts you're sending to your sister.
That tag probably showed up because there was a rise in popularity of Brazillian JuJitsu. Also, /all isn't tailored to you.
People see patterns in things and ascribe meaning to them all of the time. Think about cloud watching. We see objects in clouds all the time, but that doesn't mean that there's some higher power making clouds shaped like objects we recognise.
jumpouthewindow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:40:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how dumb do you have to be to believe this lmao. so many superstitious idiots. i guess some things dont change with time and more knowledge
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smart. I would never install an app from Facebook on my phone, although now I'm unhappy that they bought WhatsApp on February 19, 2014 - now I have to decide if I want to uninstall that.
GoldenMechaTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
crazy person
Beachinbeauty ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:59:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens to me all the time. I remember last year talking to my husband about something and when our conversation was over I got on Facebook and saw ads for it. I freaked out and yelled for him and he just stood there all smugly like, "Mmm, always wanna call me paranoid!"
Since then, it's happened a lot.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:18:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Beachinbeauty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O.O I work at Target, are you the government?
baddhabits ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:17:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember the exact term but a lot of this is sort of a spotlight effect. JUST THINK of anything random, like random, and make it a big deal. Then notice how often you find stuff related or your brain makes the connection.
You thought of a starfruit and now you're seeing more grocery ads than ever before! No. You just notice stuff more
AcePlague ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Two months back my missus wanted a new car, she said she liked the citroen ds3. Never heard of them or at least acknowledged the car but after showing me one (and now getting one), I see them everywhere. It's not a conspiracy that citroen overheard our conversation and sent out patrols of DS3s haha
tortugagigante ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:31:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife google searched for glasses at work the day after her 1st ever eye exam. She started getting warby parker ads that night. She'd never signed on to FB at that or any computer at work.
Edit: in fact now I just yell at my phone to send me the ads for stuff I'm looking for. "man. I really wish there were some good deals on Black and Decker Impact Drivers..."
PAPAY0SH ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:09:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its Google, not facebook.
[deleted] ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 20:00:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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espasmato ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 21:49:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's not like it's a secret that they are tracking your location or reading your emails. They've admitted it and it's public. Not saying that's good, just isn't a conspiracy if it's known to be true.
dpcaxx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"just isn't a conspiracy if it's known to be true"
conยทspirยทaยทcy
noun: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
It was a conspiracy, they just admitted to it after the fact, and KEPT DOING IT.
Edit: I see you.
espasmato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mostly meant it's not a conspiracy anymore. Obviously it was one at one point.
dpcaxx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my sticking point. It's fruit of the poisonous tree.
Let's say that tomorrow George (HW) Bush comes out and admits that he was a key CIA operative involved in the JFK assassination and was on the ground that day in Dallas. Furthermore, it was the members of Operation 40 who were tasked by him and the CIA to perform the assassination.
Would that mean that the conspiracy is over? No, it would mean that certain groups still reap the benefits from this action...just as Google does today.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they didn't. This has always been public knowledge.
They're not trying to hide the fact that, when you give them permission to know your location, they will use it.
Thus, this isn't a conspiracy, as it is not and never has been secret or had harmful intention.
dpcaxx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:43:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's a load of horseshit and you know it. Find me the press release from Google that describes their "plan" for world wide eavesdropping and request for customer input.
They ran this under the radar for as long as they could, then just said "meh, it's to benefit user experience" once exposed. It's harm could be argued, but it was a secret for damn sure. As for benefit...well... I think we know who was on that side of things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't openly announce it, but from day one it was no secret (again) that when you give them your location, they are using it.
Was anybody surprised that Google wasn't just tossing that data out? Seriously?
This is like running up and yelling "guys, guys! prince is dead!"
Yeah, dude, we know.
And I don't know where eavesdropping factors in, as there has never been a record of Google doing that.
dpcaxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/154025-google-hit-privacy-class-action-lawsuit/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, that kind of eavesdropping.
Yeah, that's a bit different from the location thing. I agree that it wasn't broadcast, though they likely didn't hide it either.
American_Beauty_X ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 23:40:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google: "Is it okay if we track your location?"
You: "Okay."
Google: tracks your location
You: "OHMYGODGUYS GOOGLE IS WATCHING US"
ShitImBadAtThis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:27:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck. "People usually spend 15 minutes here"
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:22:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously? How else would they be able to determine it?
FireLucid ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:14:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And traffic jams. So helpful.
Mr-Blah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Government should have jumped on this early to better plan which roads are most used,and how to aleviate traffic more efficiently...
FireLucid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't much traffic where I live. But the alert popping up near the end of my work day telling me there was a huge delay (multi car highway crash) is helpful. I've also used it when in a place I don't visit often and it gets me home via the quickest route.
On holiday it routed us round a big crash as well. Off the highway exit, down a few random roads and back on a bit later.
Frictus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:43:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a food store, so I was there every 5 days out of 7 for over a year. Now that I'm free (got a new job) my google maps will highlight any of that food chain whenever I am near it. It thinks I really like that food.
Mr-Blah ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:19:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird.
My SO's gmail realized that her work adress is her work adress.
There is 0 mention of her name and this address online. They just deduced that based on her commute every day, it had to be it. To a point that "work" is now an option as a destination on her google map...
Sightofthestars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, they literally tell you, and then they ask you to check in when you're there.
Target and now Wal-Mart use God so whenever you're near their store it asks if your shopping there.
The only time this whole thing was weird was when is have it track my home and work commutes, well I'd drive to work from my house and then from wokr,past my house to my dad's and then back home. Every day. One day I open it up after maybe a month of doing this and it's doubled my commute time, so I open thinking there's an accident or something. And it says "time from work to 'daughters nighname for.my dad' ----time from nickname to home' and showed my route. My dad is in my phone as 'dad' and we've only ever verbalized his nickname. And my phone was able to.realize everyday is leave and pass my house, pick her up and head back.
PinkyBlinky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no issue with that though to be honest.
Kevin_Uxbridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's worse than that. Several times I mentioned something only in email and was thereafter peppered with ads. I've tested this a couple of times by sending email to one of my throwaway accounts mentioning specific diseases I'd just heard of or products I've never used. Soon started getting junk mail and ads about them.
Google is reading your email.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:26:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kevin_Uxbridge ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:03:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They put something in their statement of use saying 'we'll be reading your email'?
puhtahtoe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:00:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good rule of thumb is that if you aren't paying for a product then you are the product. No company gives away services for free. They're always collecting data about you and how you use their services so they can either sell the data to advertisers or sell ads themselves.
Fonzy02 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They just say they can do anything with the information you give them.
Kevin_Uxbridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There must be more to this - I'm not giving them any information. I'm giving it to my friends and family. They're no more entitled to peek at my mail than is my mail-lady, or so I thought.
abqkat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:26:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're using their medium and servers and technology to do so, so it stands to reason that there is a price for that service. And the price is them collecting data. Plus they tell you in the terms of use that they're using your activity, so they are entitled to peek at your communications
Kevin_Uxbridge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How explicit are they? I figured they'd be entitled to look at the outside of the proverbial envelope - see who I talk to, maybe send them junk mail, watch the sites I go to, try to sell me things. It still doesn't necessarily follow that they can flat-out read my email. In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have been so surprised to find out they do, but I was and am. If they included a note that said simply 'we will be totally reading your email' I'd think there'd be something of a backlash.
puhtahtoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a link for anywhere Google explicitly said it but it's been common knowledge. Microsoft even made a few videos attempting to parody the situation. It's why if you search for "gmail reads your email" you'll find a bunch of recent articles (within the last few months) about how it's a big deal they're not doing it anymore.
Edit: I decided to take the time to check out Google's ToS. Under the section "Your Content in our Services" you can find the following sentences:
and
So when you create your account and check that box that says you read their ToS you have given Google permission to do the above. They're certainly not hiding it but most people probably aren't looking for the information.
Kevin_Uxbridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To the extent that I remember reading any of this, I seem to recall thinking it applied to shit I uploaded to google+, which I therefore refused to use. Honestly didn't think they meant emails, which for some stupid reason I thought would be treated like my regular old mail. More fool me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kevin_Uxbridge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not arguing but that still sounds a long stretch away from '... and we'll be selling it to whomever we wish'. I'm sure exactly nobody wants to go to court to test the limits of this but has this gotten anywhere near court? I mean long before Snowden I assumed that NSA was having a peek but I didn't think Google was blatantly trying to stick their hand up my ass.
CrowdScene ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At work, I received a specs doc attachment in Outlook and opened it in Office while signed into Gmail on a browser. When I went home for the night, I was digging through my Google Docs repo looking for a different file and that Office attachment was listed as one of my recently opened files.
The attachment never touched the browser in question. Somehow, just by having the Gmail web site open, Google determined that I opened an Office document from Outlook and made a copy in my GDocs repo. I'm a coder and I have no idea how they even managed to catch the events from a website and silently copy a file from my local machine to the cloud without triggering any sort of anti-malware or access restrictions!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, both.
I wrote a memo for myself this morning about reading a book that I shortened as EE. Later on twitter I got ads for EE mobile.
I left my phone out next to Polish coworkers in the past, since then Polish language is recommended on my Facebook.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. When I deleted the google app and started using Duckduckgo, I stopped getting ads entirely.
macwelsh007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, I use lots of google products and I never get this kind of intrusive ad targeting. I also don't have any facebook apps on my phone. So it seems to me to be a facebook issue.
JFCrls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's everything. I pull survey data for work from our field team and included in their response data is IP Address, Machine, OS, Location etc... If I'm getting that then so is the service we use. Everyone is collecting everything, when I hit Save on this post you bet that a lot more data then just these words is being captured.
peppaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's both
theycallmeponcho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:35:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's both.
Onhill00 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:59:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to my wife earlier today. She bought a new kind of shampoo and did no research online for it and she mentioned that facebook was "all of sudden" showing her images of that shampoo. It freaked us out quite a bit.
frenchvanilla0402 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:34:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few weeks ago, I walked into a store with a friend who had to return something. It was a camping store I had never even heard of before. Didn't launch the FB app at all while in the store. Later that night, I got ads on FB for that store.
FireLucid ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:14:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, GPS. Not hard.
whiskeytab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
do you have an android phone? google literally tracks your location and the stores you visit etc etc
you can even go watch a timeline of it
https://www.google.com/maps/timeline?pb
frenchvanilla0402 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have an android, but I still signed up for it with my iPhone because I like looking at my map! Haha
hbk1966 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you have remembered the ad if you hadn't gone to the store. You see hundreds of ads a day eventually you'll se some relative it's called a coincidence.
DatOneGuyWho ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 19:26:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their spying via microphone and camera is well documented.
It is not just a conspiracy theory, it is real.
edit
Looks like the facebook lynch mob has arrived to deny this.
[deleted] ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 22:28:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what makes me mad though, it was only but maybe 4-5 years ago that this kind of talk had somebody labeled a paranoid conspiracy theorist. I was one of them. Now everyone is walking around acting like its common knowledge.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:22:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Several years ago it wasn't nearly as bad though. I had google email and it was basically just that, a way to write to people. Now it's all linked, so I was using it somewhat professionally, then noticed that while my emails were professional, anyone could also see the few random, dumb comments that I had written in something like youtube.
DatOneGuyWho ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:01:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am with you, my man.
Just_For_Da_Lulz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony is, what if it was because of those paranoid people that led Youtube/Facebook to do it? They might've said, "Wow, these people think we can do that? I mean, can we? No? Can we figure it out? That would be amazing!"
jumpouthewindow ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are a retard surrounded by retards then. there is literally 0 reliable evidence to support this.
jacob8015 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is some but not as much as people think. I'd be willing to bet 99.9 percent of people here never even read a full news article about Snowden let alone the leaks.
lurkervonlurkenstein ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:25:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
0 evidence? Are you retarded? I'm being sincere. Do you have a mental disability? Maybe people are over-exaggerating the depth at which Facebook tracks you, but there is PLENTY of recorded evidence that shows Facebook tracks you. Even after you've logged out.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393564,00.asp%3famp=1
jumpouthewindow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:29:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
triggered retard calling others retarded for no reason. you linked an article on PCMAG talkign about a BLOG. Furthermore, it talks about facebook tracking you through apps like spotify where you login using facebook. it doesn't talk about it listening to and watching you without your permission. so you provide a bullshit article that doesnt even talk about microphone and camera. well played RETARD HAHAHAH.
lurkervonlurkenstein ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even read the part where I mentioned that people exaggerate the depth at which FB tracks you? I'm not on board with the microphone and camera conspiracy, necessarily, but if you think FB isn't tracking your history, or at the VERY least your FB related posting and content, you're just naive. I could link several other articles, that was a simple quick google search, but something tells me you won't accept that evidence either. Feel free to do your own research.
jumpouthewindow ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
retard is wrong again. read the top comment. it is about microphone and camera. dont try backpedaling out of this retard. no where did i say fb isn't tracking your data. dont change the subject cause you failed. get raped retard.
lurkervonlurkenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't discussing the top comment. I was discussing your inflated statement of 0 evidence. I'm not backpedaling and you need to learn how to have a proper debate. Good luck with your rage problems though. I'm sure you'll get far.
jumpouthewindow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:03:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes 0 evidence of them using mic and camera. thats what i replied to. learn to read. nice try retard. i won this debate so hard lmao
Yabbaba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys should get married to each other, you have the exact same arguing style.
lurkervonlurkenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now kith!
jumpouthewindow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:12 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except i won and he has to change his argument midway. his insults are copmletely baseless while mine is based on him believing retarded things and being wrong
lol-community ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sedated cows man. As long as they get thier new smart phone they don't care what they give away lol.
Coroxn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a charitable view of other human beings.
Iavasloke ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:46:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where can I find this documentation? I hate the shit out of Facebook and I'm just itching for a better reason to delete it forever. Hook me up m8
Mmffgg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is none. You ARE probably better off deleting Facebook (getting lawyer, hitting gym), but every part of the conspiracy theory is explained away by how easily computers can read us (which is actually kind of scary). Not long ago on TiL there was the story about the girl who got coupons for baby stuff before she knew she was pregnant (which I believe predated smart phones, it just was going on what she bought at that store)
b_port ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's in the terms and conditions that you signed to use Facebook that they can use your location and mic.
falconfetus8 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:52:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, there's a way to verify this kind of thing yourself. Get a packet sniffer and you can see whenever your phone sends something over your network. You'd be able to see whatever recordings they're "secretly" sending out.
maxd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:43:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Surprise, they are not sending out anything.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:32:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
any links to this "well documented" stuff?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, didn't think so.
ihasapwny ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:50:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check your phone. Find out what apps have access to what. For instance, on iPhone Facebook has no access to my mic.
I think part of this is confirmation bias, and the rest is predictive analytics from other data sources.
Still creepy.
FireLucid ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:13:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who? Facebook and other apps? I would love to see a documented non conspiracy theory source.
GoldenMechaTiger ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:28:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are no legitimate sources
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 00:15:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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corik_starr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:31:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the aforementioned and subsequently requested documentation at all.
FireLucid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have facebook installed on my phone because it's a battery hog and I barely use the thing anyway.
doppelwurzel ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:37:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya ok buddy. Post that documentation or admit you're full of it.
Sneet1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:09:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i have a question. How much do you think the absolute minimum amount of data to track you, regularly feed this information to FB, and update your advert profile semi-regularly enough (say daily) would be?
Even in an incredibly compressed or totally text-based data transmission, that's a lot of data. Most data plans I've ever seen rarely have more than like a ~5G cap. This is also assuming that Facebook is live-processing or caching and say, processing it once a day and processing it into some kind of parsable, simpler data they could then send back, which would likely drain your battery like crazy - on an entirely different level to battery hog apps like Messenger or Snapchat. The alternative, either live-ish transmission of raw audio data or even caching audio data and say sending routinely would be pretty absurd for any kind of audio file that's even semi comprehensible. Voice recognition software is not particularly powerful - try speaking a paragraph into your phone's text to speech functionality. It won't be very good, and that's at the best quality data processing your phone can do, and that isn't even caching or compressing audio data or sending it anywhere (although searching with chrome will build your advert profile when you submit the query).
I used to think this shit too, and I still have my reservations about the text content of messenger and my browsing history elsewhere based on google ad sense but it's really fucking easy to build a pretty accurate advert profile for a person. Scary easy. Consumption habits are really predictable and those predictions are almost always right, or if you think about them you can think about why you were targeted specifically. Maybe you were talking about knives, didn't even notice you googled something about knives off of your phone meanwhile you are in the prime marketing categories for a person who buys knives.
MadBotanist ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:38:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have been times when I've been tempted to say random items around my phone I have no interest in busy too screw up their algorithm
DatOneGuyWho ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:02:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put it next to a chat bot with text to speech enabled.
MadBotanist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's so evil I wish I though of it
jerkyjuice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:23:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly it would only affect your own ads.
MadBotanist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And?
Ori_553 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:40:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I exclude it, but, any credible source for that?
Exist50 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:32:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course there is none, but let's not let that get in the way of a good circlejerk.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:26:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is nuts.
I mean, they undoubtedly are tracking your online stuff, but this is like bonkers, earth-is-flat levels of conspiracy theory.
I'm kinda disturbed so many people believe this.
ML_Notley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it not illegal?
RiderAnton ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:39:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You give them permission when you install the app.
Exist50 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:32:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they don't.
DatOneGuyWho ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:57:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you agree to it in their TOS when you install the app.
funkless_eck ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:43:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it doesn't happen. Welcome to conspiracy world where everyone in this thread has convinced themselves this is real.
VulgarianGrammarian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:15:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bunch of apps say they have access to your microphone and the blurb is "this app has access to your microphone and can record audio at anytime without your confirmation." Why would it say that if they never intended to do that?
Mmffgg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:47:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
No.
The reason Facebook has access to your Mic and camera is, surprisingly, for audio and video posts
AcePlague ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you able to call off of those apps? If no, I am suspicious but there could be real reasons for it.
funkless_eck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work with (but not exclusively in) audience segmentation for a major shopping brand. We don't listen to your conversations. We do stuff like "Wow, 40% of our high price items are bought by 10% of our customers, we should target some advertising at them." And then we look to see if they're provided us with an email address or a postal address, and if they've agreed to accept marketing and then we mail them a brochure. Jesus.
falconfetus8 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So...don't use those apps?
VulgarianGrammarian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah, but your point was that this doesn't happen. Clearly it does happen, and people should be aware of it so they can check if an app uses their microphone.
coolasafool462 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
based on fucking what
Coroxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Facebook messenger call functionality is the only thing you disable if you disable that permission.
Coroxn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
Exist50 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:29:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the perfect response when you don't actually have any evidence.
"well documented" my ass.
hooblagoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:03:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you link this documentation?
Exist50 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:31:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it isn't. If it's "well documented" post some of this non-existent proof.
JimDandy_ToTheRescue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put a Pusheen sticker over my laptop's camera.
DatOneGuyWho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh not pcs just phones.
Still, keep the sticker since we know malware exists to watch you, as a rootkit too so the only reliable way to be sure is a full hard drive wipe thrn set it on fire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go on then, give us a source.
clemsev ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:48:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only mic, possibly gyroscope too! (yeah, freaky... and unrestricted for now: https://twitter.com/shaqsighs/status/896218720972025856 )
jumpouthewindow ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no its not. looks like you are just a sheep to the media lmao
DatOneGuyWho ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:15:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Trump supporter.
How goes It, racist?
jumpouthewindow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you just went from sheep to retard.
DatOneGuyWho ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:23:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's your bitch in the Whitehouse actually.
Go back to /r/t_d puppet.
jumpouthewindow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
now you dont even make sense. lmao. this is halarious. whats ironic is that the retard who believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories is against trump.
DatOneGuyWho ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep going.
..... almost done.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both of you should grow up.
DatOneGuyWho ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that.
I play a grown up in real life all day, gotta get my childish shit out somewhere.
I mean you're right but... I don't want to.
jumpouthewindow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:22:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are a retard. done
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:37:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol, people asking for a source for something you say is well documented is a "lynch mob."? Pretty hefty victim complex there.
FartyMcPoopyBalls ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The official Reddit app does this as well.
IHaveABedInMyBedroom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:33:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 or 3 days ago there was a red circle on the facebook tab. And I hovered it up and it said the website was using the microphone and camera. Which was a little unsettling.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're on android you can disable specific permissions. Nothing has access to my mic, and since I disabled it I get no more weird ads.
Sightofthestars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed I don't get any, shoot even for stuff I search on my phone
Then again maybe facebook realizes I don't really need to know.more about Disney movies and we're discussing it because our child is crazy
americanrealism ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that the "People you may know" section is mostly populated by people who have recently lurked my profile. That terrifies me because I'm lurking other people as well and my profile is likely popping up for them too.
nagol93 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:03:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats why I quarantine FB. It works pretty well.
I never use it on my phone (never install the app) and ONLY use it on a specific 2 computers on a specific network.
Unique_Name_8972 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's your point? If an old friend from the mall searches your name, you're still going to get the friend suggestion.
eaterofdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I quarantine FB to a desktop browser that is used for nothing else.
UTF-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
make sure don't use an ipv6 address if you want this to be effective.
BecauseShame ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:33:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first two are from geolocation and associated friends. Not so much listening to your phone but matching people based off of where their phone tagged their location.
malvarick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee my car talks to my phone. My car decided it needed an oil change and until I got the oil change all the ads on my phone were for oil changes and products.
whiskeytab ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its probably more of a calculation from the last time you were at the place you get your oil changed and the average amount of distance you're travelling and them guessing its about time for another.
throwbackfinder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made a kik account to message someone who I'd seen on tumblr and wanted suggestions and sent a small one line message that their work was awesome and got a thank you response.
I made an account for one message. I did not know their name, I did not have a tumblr account and a few weeks roll by and they are suggested on Facebook.
Facebook had suggested an anon whose face I recognised from the tumblr. Someone who one would assume would 110% would want to keep their identity a secret.
That was enough for me to delete a lot of apps and not use my phone for Facebook.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:59:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you read what facebook apps actually do, you agreed to let them listen in and sell your data to the highest bidder.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't sell your data. They sell ad space and that space is on your feed.
If they sold data they would be out of business in an hour.
UTF-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"they" might not sell it, but what about their business partners, subsidiaries, or network providers that get the data for free?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure.
Just like Trump would never be president
Rej_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:23:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they dont sell it because it's way more profitable to 'rent' it to advertisers. I work in webmarketing and you'd be horrified how customisable their targeting clusters are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Horrified?
Way to fear monger. Perhaps marketing isn't for you, friend.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:28 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Six of one, half dozen of the other
The_Amazing_Ciderman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:23:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify might be in to this same stuff. My friend suggested a gig in town next month. A hugely obscure band. The next day the first song on my brand new "Discover Weekly" playlist was that band. Pretty good actually. Might go to the gig after all.
crstanier ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would think it's likely to be using locations and then other connections in the background. I believe it also looks at contacts (phone numbers, email addresses etc) and builds degrees of separation off that. You're right though - it's surprising the connections they can build.
Rodents210 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've disabled Facebook (and any other app owned by Facebook such as Messenger or Instagram) from accessing location services, microphone, and camera. I still get Facebook ads for things I've had mentioned to me in passing, verbally and in-person, by other people.
DConstructed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:52:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that's scary Roomba is considering selling the info on your home's floor plan to marketers.
https://gizmodo.com/roombas-next-big-step-is-selling-maps-of-your-home-to-t-1797187829
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the absolute fuck. I thought avoiding social media/turning off location services made me relatively safe from the more insidious types of targeted advertising. I'm skeptical of digital assistants and 'smart homes' that can remotely control things like your lights and thermostat.
But a vacuum? Why would a vacuum need to broadcast data? I understand it needing to 'know' the floor so it doesn't just go over the same spot over and over, but there shouldn't be any way to remotely access that information.
Exist50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an opt in for the app.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sightofthestars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck!
Oh well,maybe they don't know
ru_ladiesman217 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen ads based on thoughts. It scares me but I always dismis them as coincidence . I'll start document these for science.
PM_ME_A_WEBSITE_IDEA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me want to start saying "big black dildo" around my friend's phone a lot...for no particular reason...
Fanflipintastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with fuckin google. When ever i'm talking to someone, and a subject comes up to google i type one letter in AND THEY ALREADY KNOW I WANT TO GOOGLE HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE NAMED THERE CAT SNARFLES. Its weird.
wokeupquick2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure this is a known fact, right? It's why apps ask permission to make phone calls... They aren't actually making phone calls, it's an excuse to use you microphone.
kchpgess ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I discussed several times with people in person when I would finish my masters thesis, but I never wrote it in Facebook . On the day that I was should have finished my masters, Facebook posted for me that I am now actually finished. The funny thing is, I got an extension of four weeks because of private reasons.
I don't even understand why Facebook would post it for me and I only found out when people started liking the post.
Nanowith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As somebody who works in advertising I can say they spying on you, but they are on everyone else too. We easily have access to your information but it shows up as statistics and data; nobody gives a shit about you personally.
While Facebook is tracking all this data it only uses it to try and tailor its online experience to you and see what shit it can sell to you, beyond that it doesn't care.
TLDR; this is happening, but nobody gives a shit about you, especially major corporations.
RamsesThePigeon ยท 1978 points ยท Posted at 16:19:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mick Jagger is a puppet of the recording industry.
That's why his name shows up in so many songs.
Here's something a little bit more interesting, though:
Tinder knows your soul mate... and it's intentionally keeping you from them.
For those few dozen folks who haven't used Tinder โ even just to see what all the fuss is about โ it's a mobile dating application that works by showing users a gallery of potential prospects. Whenever two people independently indicate their interest in one another, they're invited to start an awkward conversation. You can think of it like virtual speed-dating, in that the general idea is to pick out the people to whom you're attracted, all while hoping that they do the same after seeing you. The program is free, but non-paying users are limited in the number of "Likes" that they can dole out.
If you spend enough time on Tinder, though, you'll start to notice an interesting trend.
When you first install the application, you'll discover a diverse rainbow of people on your screen. Folks of all appearances and from all walks of life will be presented to you, and only few of them will be obvious robots. You'll see scores of women standing in front of Machu Picchu, crowds of men looking constipated as they not-so-subtly flex, and hundreds of both genders whose interests include "live music," "adventures," and โ perhaps most descriptively โ "fun." If you're not completely desperate for companionship, you'll wind up dismissing far, far more people than you'll want to contact... right up until the moment when, all of a sudden, everyone starts to seem appealing.
That sudden shift is where the true genius of Tinder's business model lies. My guess is that as you swipe through the first several dozen potential paramours, the application slowly gathers data about your preferred "type." Then, once some hidden algorithm has gotten a handle on the sort of person who "starts your lawnmower," so to speak, it shows you a group of users that you're likely to find appealing. Your activity is accounted for, too, so that you're finally presented with someone who could very well be your soul mate at the exact moment when you run out of "Likes."
Not wanting to miss out on true love (or maybe just mind-blowing sex), you pay for the premium version.
Now, none of this is necessarily true, but it wouldn't be too terribly difficult to pull off. Even if Tinder isn't employing this kind of system, then it's almost guaranteed that other mobile applications are doing something remarkably similar. For instance, marketing companies can tell exactly how long someone has watched an online advertisement, and can even target similar commercials at the times when they'll be most effective. They know what you want to see, even before you do, simply by analyzing your previous activity. We all give away an absolutely astounding amount of personal information, and we've gotten to the point where we don't even notice the patterns being employed against us. All it takes is a little bit of entertainment or efficiency, and we're hooked, simply because convenience is king.
Or in the case of Tinder... because sex sells.
TL:DR: A Tinder-based conspiracy theory about mobile marketing technology.
Chokingzombie ยท 870 points ยท Posted at 17:34:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple times I have been on Tinder and seen someone and said to myself, "Holy shit, def swiping right" only to be greeted with the "You are out of likes" screen. I just wait till the morning though. They're still the first ones on there. Seems like it has happened waaaaay too often to me though.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 595 points ยท Posted at 22:37:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They put a person who is frequently right-swiped on (attaractive) as the one right when you are out of likes to motivate people into buying more. They also front-stack people who you matched with when you haven't used it in a while to give you a successful feeling, making you swipe more, using up your likes.
AhrisFifthTail ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:08:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And here I thought people actually liked me...
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:14:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol move to Bumble. Much better.
eph3merous ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:46:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't believe them, but people were right.. every woman on Bumble is an 11. Holy shit
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the match/conversation method is way better. Girls cant get spammed, so if they message you chances of actually talking are much much higher.
JulyLauren ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:13:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Running out of likes is a thing? This has never happened to me. I'm a girl - is it different for girls?
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:16:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like 100 per 24 hours or something. I can swipe through 1-200 before getting a match. My ex swipes 3-4 between matches. The disparity is huge. Tinder amplifies 'traditional' dating dynamics of girls getting to be picky, IMO.
JulyLauren ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok this makes sense then. I'm about the same right swipe-to-match ratio as your ex and have definitely never used 100 likes in a single day.
toofazedd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Girls don't get to be picky, guys just right swipe every girl.
raja1701 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But surely it's gonna be an attractive person when you run out of likes because you're right swiping them in the first place, so you find them attractive?
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's always a noticeably more attractive person than usual, IMO. She'll stand out enough I can usually guess I'm out of swipes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm waiting on their "Gold" membership. A service where they'll just show you who's swiped right on you already. Meaning they could have been doing this already but there's easy money to be made by single and inpatient suckers like me.
Mayo_the_Instrument ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bumble has this
frolestian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:45 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure that I recently got notification that paid version does show who swapped you right.
MordorsFinest ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 22:28:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you ask me they just assume the profile that gets the most right swiped is 'hot' and good bait to get a less desirable user to buy the premium, a lot less expensive than making sure people don't find true love
OgreSpider ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OKCupid freely admitted they actively promoted "more popular" users when I was last on it. I wouldn't be surprised if Tinder did also.
TheAesir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are owned by the same company...
OgreSpider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know that, but not surprised
TheOffendingHonda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I swipe right on everything. Doesn't matter, since I never get a match. It just makes me more lonely and depressed.
HaywireIsMyFavorite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have never run out of likes. I guess I'm being to picky.
BeerSlayingBeaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just share their profile with yourself via text.
actuarally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL you can run out of right swipes...
Apparently my town is lacking in dating talent.
one-eleven ยท 265 points ยท Posted at 20:43:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is though you can only run out of Likes when you plan to swipe right on a person. That's how you find out you've run out of likes.
So if you run out of likes on person 7 and then swipe left for the next 3 people, and plan to swipe right on the next one (person 11) you would only find out you ran out of likes on person 11, who you are obviously attracted to since you planned to swipe right on them.
RamsesThePigeon ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:53:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but think that through: Tinder knows, based on your past behavior, that you'll want to swipe right on that eleventh person, so they arrange your matches to put the most desirable candidate right at the point where you can't Like them... at least, not without spending money.
MissLouisiana ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:48:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or what if they just save commonly right swiped profiles until the end. It seems easier for them to just use a profile a lot of people like as bait. Chances are if most people swipe right on someone they're good looking, or funny, or whatever enough that you'll like them too.
TastyFace ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:29:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like how you always find things in the last place you look
atreidesardaukar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:26 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, why would you keep looking for a thing once you've found it?
FluffyHippogriff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I think you only run out of likes if you're a guy. Neither I nor any of the girls I know who use Tinder have ever had that issue.
one-eleven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. Dating sites are like clubs, the guys are the consumers, the girls are the product. You make the guys wait in line while the pretty girls get in for free, or else the guys wouldn't have a reason to put up with waiting in line.
Tofinochris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the idea is that Tinder will serve up the 7s and 8s until you run out of likes, then suddenly remember about your 9s and 10s.
one-eleven ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya but what I'm saying is you'd only get to see ONE of these 9s and 10s, because as soon as you try to swipe right on a pic after you've run out of Likes it lets you know you're out of Likes.
Therefore whether they purposely put good ones after you run out of Likes or not you'd still end up in the same situation. You can swipe left all day, you'll never be notified so that the only time you'd know you're out of Likes is when you find someone you like enough to swipe right on.
WaryBradshaw ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:26:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like tinder has changed a lot since I used it in 2015. That's really disappointing because I believe I met my soul mate on tinder and we're still going strong. But I wasn't paying for swipes back then
Princess_King ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:01:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Met my future husband on Tinder two years ago. I don't remember a premium subscription. Definitely not someone I would have thought of as a soul mate, but hey, we work.
cbslinger ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:35:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is that the Tinder algorithms are actually pretty well understood, if you look it up on /r/Tinder or people who use it very regularly, it's pretty clear what's happening if you use it long enough. It is designed to try to hook you by showing you more attractive people first. In fact it sends you potentials in even-numbered groups of (6, 8, 10?) with your first group always being very high-scoring candidates.
The candidates are paired off and then 'competed' with your swipes, generating an Elo score depending on which one you swipe - if you do the same on both it's considered a 'draw'. In this way they are able to generally determine how attractive someone is (computational analysis of attractiveness in humans is really, really primitive even in 2017, so there's really no way they could figure this out objectively).
Their algorithm is built around boiling a person down to a single number, not attempting to categorize people, or mine data in a meaningful way. The genius of this though is that very attractive people get a huge amount of attention and so will stay in the app as 'influencers' making the app more popular and likely to propagate.
However, the same very attractive people are also very unlikely to swipe right on very many candidates, so you'll be highly likely to 'waste' between 5 and 20 swipes during a single session before you actually get to see candidates who have a similar normalized attractiveness rating as you - which means most men or less attractive women are much more likely to run out of swipes for the day.
OKCupid are actually the masters of doing what you're describing - slicing people into their traits and grouping/categorizing everything. The stuff they do with big data is absolutely light years ahead of Tinder, except that it's a more involved process and there aren't nearly as many people on OKC.
There is also a perception among some people that OKC users are generally not as attractive on average as Tinder users, the reality of this perception is obviously both subjective and unproven, but could be based in the fact that very attractive people are less able to control and filter the degree of exposure they receive. As an anecdote I once had an extremely attractive female friend who reinstalled Tinder right in front of me and received over 200 messages with five minutes of reinstalling.
klaudyzel ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:12:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never actually run out of likes, which either indicates my impossibly high standards or the few eligible single men in my area...
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:22:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've NEVER run out of likes. EVER.
Splinter1591 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:25:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they really want to punish me they should charge for dislikes. I average about 20 lefts for every right swipe.
Smoldero ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:58:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you must be choosing all the uglies no one wants :P
realyak ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:11:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there is a conspiracy to make people think that the record labels are using Mick Jagger as a puppet to cover up the fact that they're selling us things subconsciously that we don't actually want.
Why else would the above bullshit be copied and pasted in to every single post which vaguely mentions conspiracies?
RamsesThePigeon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:29:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the fellow who originally wrote it put a fair amount of work into a long-winded joke (which people would recognize as such if they'd read the final sentence), so he shares it every twelfth time that he sees this /r/AskReddit question asked.
Maybe the individual in question chose that oddly specific number because "Sesame Street" brainwashed him into thinking in Base 12 when he was a kid, by way of two different songs that were repeated ad nauseam.
Maybe the creators of "Sesame Street" were also in cahoots with the people pulling Mick Jagger's strings, and maybe those people requested that the performer be called "Mick Swagger" while being portrayed as a Muppet, thus seeding the inevitable conspiracy theory that would arise from his name's presence in so many songs.
Maybe the reappearance of the conspiracy theory in question is counting up to twelve instances, after which the creators of "Sesame Street" will be revealed to be the secret entities behind the recording industry.
It's obvious if you look at the evidence.
Meetybeefy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:14:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard a theory that Tinder always presents the most "attractive" profiles first on the feed.
Thomasasia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:17:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think tinder has the data to train their algorithms to find your "soul mate", and regardless, it only has images and keywords to go off of.
bradd_pit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:55:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely happens when you travel to a new city. Maybe just coincidence, but when I'm home there aren't enough people to swipe through to use up all my likes. Since the app is based on distance and the algorithm follows you with your account, being in a new city gives you tons of new people. I'm swiping through and lo and behold, just as you said, amazingly beautiful woman comes up but oops I'm out of likes.
gSpider ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait just a fucking sec. you can run out of likes? I have never run out, and I certainly have never paid for anything
CyclicNature ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:54:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my tinder conspiracy theory is that im just ugly and get no swipes
KayneWest2020 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:31:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Mick Jagger one is dumb, Ghostface Killah did that swagger/Jagger rhyme in 2006, in his song The Champ, far before any of your examples
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:50:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
another faulty comment bot? reddit slacking these days
RamsesThePigeon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the robots are being controlled by Vivendi in order to keep people from seeing the theory in question as legitimate.
Playboi_Icardi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on them I'm not looking for a soul mate fornow
jaysaber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to believe this, but I seem to be swiping right less and less as the days go by.
RordonGamsey2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to use "Starts your lawnmower" from now on
KittenTendies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:27:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't surprise me, not just Tinder either. It's really not good business for any matching service, whether paid or ad-supported, to introduce you to your soulmate. If they are too good at matching people they're just eliminating their customer base. Wasn't it match.com that got caught years ago catfishing people? They offered like six months free if you didn't get a date after paying for six months? So they were paying actors to go on a single date with people who were nearing that free period mark.
MomsSpaghettio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:10:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone else noticed Tinder asks you to rate the app exactly after a match? They're depending on that rush of dopamine to sway your rating.
JeJoueMal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:29:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How Is Tinder using a recommendation algorithm a conspiracy?
This being said, they do not know who your soulmate is: They just learn to narrow down their selection, to increase the rate at which you like people.
umbrajoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:12:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After reading that thing about jagger it sounds like they are his puppet keeping him relevant.
Space_Cowboy21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could see the tinder theory being something. I found that I match with girls who look extremely similar, despite swiping right on various types of women.
whattocallmyself ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think advertisers know I always open a new tab while the ad plays? Now I'm wondering if that's why I'm seeing more 10-15 second ads lately, trying to trick me into thinking I should just stay and watch the ad, since it'll be over by the time I find something interesting to read.
JohnstonThunderdick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:37 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure the tinder one is true.
I just went through and liked every single girl until my likes ran out, and that's when cute girls exactly my type starting showing up.
This is sad for a lonely boi like ms
SlutRapunzel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU'RE HERE AGAIN
eDIT: WAIT IT'S NOT ABOUT MICK JAGGER
EDIT: YOU HAVE OVER 46 YEARS OF REDDIT GOLD
EDIT: YOU WRITE FOR REDDIT WRITES SEINFELD ARE YOU MY SOULMATE
Princess_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, when did Tinder start limiting your likes? Was it always like that? I confess, I wasn't on it long, but I did meet a person whom I consider a soul mate. We met through Tinder two years ago, and we're getting married next year. Haha, take that, Tinder. I never paid a dime.
lazerlandb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swipe right on everybody on Tinder, so what does the algorithm have to say about that?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You get put to the bottem of the algorithm and nobody sees your account.
Pattriktrik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao i feel like your onto something, I swear whenever id run out of likes the person who I can't "like" is 9 times out of 10 a women who i think is wicked attractive! Like way more than all the others i swiped right. I deleted the app though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is a conspiracy I think this is a business model.
They know who you like more that's why they show you those more often.
stink3rbelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno . . . they did match me with an old crush a few years back, and we reconnected really well.
ETA: there's a premium tinder???
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently YouTube could use some work then. The two ads I always, without fail, see at work are for HostGator and Adobe CC. I already have a site hosted by HG and I already subscribe to Adobe CC. Their obnoxious ads make me want to move web hosts and go all in with GIMP/Inkscape
Paperclip902 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on them. I insta like ALL girls.
TofuTofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aka machine learning interest-graph algorithm like every other site/app
humanysta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:29 on January 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, Tinder has a limited amount of likes? I've been using the free version for months and never noticed it.
eqleriq ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's idiotic... from the concept that one of the hugest sex symbols the world has ever known is mentioned in 3 songs by the same person to the bullshit falsehood about the etymology behind "swagger" to that concluding nonsense
KayneWest2020 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 18:31:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Mick Jagger one is dumb, Ghostface Killah did that swagger/Jagger rhyme in 2006, in his song The Champ, far before any of your examples
KayneWest2020 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 18:31:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Mick Jagger one is dumb, Ghostface Killah did that swagger/Jagger rhyme in 2006, in his song The Champ, far before any of your examples
KayneWest2020 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:31:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Mick Jagger one is dumb, Ghostface Killah did that swagger/Jagger rhyme in 2006, in his song The Champ, far before any of your examples
hitchensamis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"For those few dozen folks who haven't used Tinder"
Thank you , not all young people are so desperate for a relationship to set up pathetic blind dates with someone you don't know and not to have courage to speak in public , I at least hope so
Captainshithead ยท 706 points ยท Posted at 20:58:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elliot Smith didn't kill himself. Yeah he sang sad songs, but he was recording a new album and had just invited a new producer to help him work on it. And no one stabs themself in the chest... twice. Idk who did it, but it he didn't do it himself.
barack_galifianakis ยท 434 points ยท Posted at 21:50:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying you're wrong, but lots of people stab themselves multiple times during a suicide attempt. They're called hesitation wounds. For example, Artie Lange stabbed himself 9 times with a chef's knife and fortunately survived. Again, not saying anything about ES.
yendrush ยท 341 points ยท Posted at 22:50:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artie Lange is like the rasputin of suicide. He's tried 3 times. The second time he drank bleach, slit his wrists and stabbed himself in the chest 9 times. Dude is unstoppable. Although, he has had a bad year so far. I hope he ends up okay.
barack_galifianakis ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:35:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang. I hadn't heard about his troubles this year. Hope he makes it through. Life is hard.
Sixty911 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:04:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right after his appearance on Pete Holmes HBO show, where they delve into Arties addiction, he had a relapse, IIRC.
TheMercendettiChild ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:05:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He just joined Anthony Cumio's compound network. Doing a good job killing his career.
WR810 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:00:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a joke (that I didn't get) about Artie Lang only buying food (groceries) one day at a time.
I get the joke now. Thanks, Reddit!
Kingimg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:14:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i dont get it :(
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:40:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much point buying more if you die that day.
Kingimg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh god
Littlekelt95 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor innocent soul :')
gaslightlinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:04 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teenage daughter to heroin addict father: "Soooo .... I see you're buying gas by the gallon now?" ... that was a sad situation.
even_less_resistance ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:40:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is fucking unimaginable and I feel super sorry for him and hope he doesn't feel that way anymore
borumlive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He won't, he keep trying
Y_orickBrown ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:46:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a gun, Sideshow Bob.
Strabbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he got a second chance with that Judd Apatow show (Crashed). He'd been booted off when he was busted for drugs, and now I hear he's back for season 2. A regular structured gig like that could be good for him. I'm really rooting for the guy.
terminal_anonymity ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 12:57:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck selfish loser Artie. I felt bad for him for many years, but the guy doesn't even practice basic hygiene anymore. Waaaaa Artie's so sad.
crawfin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't think you get it
terminal_anonymity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry man, but when it causes your loved ones to die you'll know what I mean.
crawfin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:21:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, giving up on the person is just not the way to handle a depressed individual. I'm sorry you lost one or more loved ones to it, but when someone clearly has a problem, "Fuck them, I don't feel bad for them" doesn't help at all
terminal_anonymity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not giving up, it's called tough love. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znRUYRJwmhI
Edit: he should have been fired from mad tv after the pig costume incident and he should have been fired from the stern show when he was nodding off and calling in sick every other week. Like I said, enablers.
Edit 2: I'm a recovering addict, I have a psychology degree, and I take medication for depression. I think I know what I'm talking about. You know what helped me wake up? The embarrassment I faced after getting fired from my job.
vincentj97 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:18:43 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tough love doesn't work. it's been proven ineffective. I am also a recovering addict and an addiction counselor. no, you don't know what you're talking about
YourDreamsWillTell ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:54:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artie Lang did WHAT?! Most mind blowing thing I've read on this thread, mate.
party_shaman ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:39:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've read, he had two deep wounds that did not seem hesitant and they were at angles inconsistent with self-infliction.
blacknwhitelitebrite ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:12:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also had defensive wounds on his hands if I recall correctly, but it's been many years since I went down that rabbit hole.
PaintWithRazorblades ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was no hesitation in the entry of the blade - check the coroner report. I actually just wrote a paper on it.
Splinter1591 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend stabbed himself 3 times. I've seen the scars.
barack_galifianakis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:16:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he/she is in a better place now.
sxakalo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes people even shoot themselves multiple times on the head, it is not that uncommon...a family friend managed to shoot himself twice and he survived. That's why if I want to do it in the future I'm using nitrogen.
Odolinsky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:21:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that there were NO hesitation wounds....
mrtstew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The autopsy said there were no hesitation wounds. Only two stab wounds. His own name was also misspelled on his suicide note.
vincentj97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:39 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his name was spelled correctly on the note, it was misspelled on the coroner r report
C377 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but Elliot Smith's autopsy reports sounds closer to a murder victims.
ofthedappersort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:43 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The coroner's report said there were no hesitation wounds
Tardigrade_Parade ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 02:39:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally know a stagehand who worked for Elliott Smith on his tours. They were friends. He'd watch the bathroom door for Elliott when he was shooting up. However, 2003 was said (from the friend) to be a turning point for him. He was happy. He wasn't using. He was excited to finish tracking his upcoming record. To this day, he still thinks Elliott Smith didn't kill himself. Of all the years he worked for him, his last year was least likely a time for him to end it.
Food for thought.
stink3rbelle ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:25:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of addicts relapse or lose faith while they're on the upswing.
Skreech2011 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:26:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depression is very often masked with happiness, and pre-emptive suicide can lead to upticks happiness as well.
PaintWithRazorblades ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:02:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw. I know he was clean at the time, but to get a personal account from someone close to him throughout this whole time is heartbreaking.
detroit_dickdawes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:49:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you watched any of his final shows? They're really tough. If he was clean, then he was so severely depressed to the point where he can't play his own songs. I don't recommend watching them if you can find them, they're pretty upsetting.
AliasHandler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is common for people who have decided to kill themselves. You hear it a lot about how they seemed to finally be happy and then they go and commit suicide, surprising everybody. Apparently resolving to do it can make those with severe depression feel content, as if they've made the decision that will finally end their problems.
party_shaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:36 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually people that have decided to kill themselves don't do it in the middle of a fight with their girlfriend.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:06:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From my understanding (and he's my favorite artist by far), on his 34th birthday, August 6th, he gave up a ton of stuff, like alcohol, drugs, red meat, even caffeine. He basically kicked everything that was a coping mechanism for his rough childhood, which he writes about in quite a few of his songs, particuarly earlier in his career.
Now suddenly, he has a ton of pressures and none of the things he's used for years to cope with them. He has the record he really wants to finish but it's complicated because he's been estranged from his record label so they want answers. His talked about settling down and having kids with his girlfriend. He even scheduled a meeting with his allegedly abusive stepfather Charlie to reconnect after years apart. I feel like all these pressures at once, plus the fight he had with his gf that morning, pushed him over the edge.
While I don't deny that the circumstances are definitely mind-blowing, he had a history of impulsive behavior, and a previous attempt in 1997 where he just jumped out a car and ran off a cliff.
It's definitely tragic and kind of implausible, but the events leading up to it make me think it was just a suicide.
Zencronix ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:50:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy who watched form a helicopter a man stab himself six times in the chest. He had won a free police helicopter ride It didn't turn out how he thought it would.
ForfeitedPhalanges ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:21:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A depressed person can have all sorts of plans. Unfortunately, the thoughts of suicide are not something that someone has one day and then doesn't. There's a buildup, usually.
You can be having an upswing in your life and one bad thing can set it off and you decide "now is the time. Fuck it! I give up. Finally!"
And that's all there is to it. Just because one has plans and things to look forward to doesn't mean that all the haunting thoughts just disappear.
I am glad you don't know what that feels like and how suddenly that urge can hit so you think there is no way he did it. Be thankful for that. Sometimes all it takes is a bad dream and waking up on the wrong side of the bed to decide it's time to end it.... FINALLY. Relief!
riptaway ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:35:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Mentally ill people will do some fucked up shit to themselves. Pulling out their intestines. Gouging out their eyes. Not that stabbing yourself to death is common or easy, but it's not exactly far fetched that a disturbed person might do so
katfromjersey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actor Charles Rocket slashed his own throat with 2 box cutters. Hearing about his horrible childhood, it's not tough to imagine that someone would be driven to do this.
party_shaman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:39:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely on board with this one.
FuckFaceMcQueefer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:23:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it wasn't going to be drugs, it was going to be a thematic suicide. I don't think there's anything backhanded about it. The guy was depressed, and did it in a dramatic way. People don't have to plan to kill themselves, it can happen spur of the moment. I don't think that's the case though. He could have been planning his new album, got overwhelmed, and said "fuck it." Surprised to see Elliot Smith in this thread though...
Alybank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a similar conspiracy theory to this. My roommates dad died of "suicide" but he stabbed himself in the bathtub multiple times. I think her parents(who were on the verge of divorce) got in a fight, her mom stabbed him, staged it then "found him" later.
meowheadz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:58:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably his girlfriend. She was right outside the bathroom door and she inherited his estate. Fishy fishy.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:53:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't inherit the estate. They weren't married or anything after all. In fact, she sued the family a year after it claiming that they had a "verbal agreement" that he'd financially support her for the rest of her life more or less. She didn't win obviously.
PaintWithRazorblades ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:02:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also a bit suspicious, she was seen taking his music out of the studio very soon after he died, then she sued soon after. Uncool.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:12:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've heard that but logically, what would she get out of that? She has the masters maybe, but she wouldn't be able to profit from it.
There's also some 40 year old photographer that is probably the single biggest leader of the Elliott Smith Truther movement. She's pretty much worked every batshit angle over the years
PaintWithRazorblades ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think she was figuring that because he told her they would get engaged or married, it was a verbal contract and she had the right to all of his music and money. Seriously though, I always think about what could have happened on that night. I really wish there was a way we could find out, but I don't think it will ever happen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, IANAL but she the courts decided against her. The family controls the estate and they have an archivist who's been pretty active on Elliott Smith forums over the years. They've put out quite a bit of unreleased material over the years.
Yeah I think the same. A lot has leaked over the years, even stuff he's worked on up to the day before he passed and it's incredible
PaintWithRazorblades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It also troubles me that his mother and step father are retaining the rights. I do not wish to support the person who Elliott wrote "Abused" about. All of his work is incredible and Suicide Machine (song he made right before death) was like his cheeriest song yet.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:03:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but at the same time, experts say one of the clearest signs of someone having decided they'll kill themselves is if they're suddenly cheery after being depressed a long time. That and stuff like giving away money or belongings saying they won't need them anymore are pretty big warning signs
meowheadz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:53:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the clarification.
namlesgir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People in my family knew him. Apparently he was struggling very hard at the time so I think suicide is more likely
freakingredhead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do people commit suicide by stabbing themselves? Yes. Was Elliot struggling with depression? Yes, and for a good part of his life. However the way that his girlfriend acted after his death is shifty as FUCK. Stealing things from his studio barely days after he passed and suing his family for money don't sound like things someone who just lost their SO would do and it certainly shows like she cared more about the money than anything else. Also, she just happened to stumble upon a suicide note that the police didn't see when investigating the scene the first time... It was in a very visible place also. Add that to the fact that the knife Elliot used was allegedly wiped, as the police didn't find any fingerprints, and shit starts getting real shady.
PaintWithRazorblades ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention his girlfriend was a licensed therapist (meaning she had to take first aid classes, but still removed the blade while in situ - big no no), there were no finger prints on the blade and he somehow had the cognition to write out a note and leave it on the fridge before stabbing himself in the chest twice? Most people agree that if he did it, the stabbing was a spur of the moment impulse - not a planned out event.
Waitwhatdidijustsay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His girlfriend was there, iirc. Possible suspect.
_Ryman_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't people think his gf did it?
I was under the impression that they had a fight, went in to separate rooms to calm down, girlfriend "found" him dead.
Idk, it's been years since I've read up on it.
paigezero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember hearing this at the time but not since, odd to see him brought up again all these years later.
Deignish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i actually knew a guy who stabbed himself in the chest a few dozen times with a blunt knife. luckily it wasnt long enough or sharp enough to hit his heart or an artery
badger_man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I came here to say this
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:50:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either did Kurt Cobain
thebestwhitevancandy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 06:17:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kourtney Love did it. In all seriousness even if she didn't murder Cobain and it was a suicide she definitely had a role in hooking him back on drugs and getting him to a place where he wanted to end his own life.
Corpusly ยท 1522 points ยท Posted at 03:10:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pockets in women's clothing are designed to be small or nonexistent so the fashion industry can sell women purses.
Smoldero ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 04:22:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the only conspiracy here is why everyone's seemingly fine with this
jenroberts ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 04:52:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fine with it because even if pants had big pockets, I wouldn't use them. I carry my wallet, phone, keys, lotion, lip balm, and dental floss with me every day. Sometimes I carry an umbrella or a bottle of water. It would be so uncomfortable to try to carry all of that in my pockets. Plus it would look weird with bulges everywhere, and it would be really hard to sit.
I only ever wear crossbody purses because they're hands-free, unless I'm dressing up and need a fancier clutch or something.
HooptyDooDooMeister ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 05:35:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for squashing my dreams of cornering the market on women's jeans with men's pockets. You just saved me from bankruptcy. :)
LavastormSW ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 05:49:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do it. You'd still get a ton of women (like me) who want huge pockets cause carrying bags everywhere is annoying, especially if I only want to take my wallet/keys/phone with me.
hi_there_im_nicole ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:24:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I refuse to buy any jeans without pockets
harlemrr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:45:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaand you have a third person who agrees and would buy your pants with men's pockets. Pants without pockets are awful, but the most evil are the ones with fake pockets.
InterracialMartian ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:49:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this right here is the real reason women's clothes do not have large pockets. A vast majority of woman prefer a clean and well fitting look, and bulging pockets destroy that. They also tend to bring a lot of stuff with them, often far more than pockets would allow. Big purse benefits from this, but they aren't the drivers of the trend.
Nona_Biba ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:19:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus most women carry pads and tampons in their purses all the time. If you wanted women to be able to conceal those in a pocket, the pocket would have to be HUGE and probably include a zipper to keep the stuff from falling out while walking or sitting.
Mad-Theologian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:54:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying I can make a killing with my Feminine Cargo Pants fashion line?
NeonCookies41 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love feminine cargo pants.
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:35 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still prefer male pockets. Between my pants and a light jacket (Works even in Aussie summers) I can carry my phone, keys, wallet, lighter, smokes, mints and still have room for any small shopping on my person.
sssasssafrasss ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:11:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so far from fine with this.
code_vector ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:13:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This always bugs me. My wife complains about this all the time. You'd think with today's millions of start ups and women run pro-feminism companies and stuff there would be at least someone somewhere manufacturing pants that fit female bodies and have normal pockets. But I've never seen or heard of one (in fairness, ads for that sort of thing wouldn't exactly get targeted to me) and even if one does exist why isn't it more well known?
quatervois ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know how much more you can fit in a bag than in a pocket? My giant wallet wouldn't fit in even most men's clothing pockets. My Kindle wouldn't comfortably fit in a pocket. Then there's my water bottle, a compact mirror, a hairbrush, a jaw clip in case I want to put my hair up, a nail file because I'm kicking a 20-year nail biting habit, a little notebook in case I need to write something down, a little pair of scissors, ibuprofen, granola bars, gum, and an extra shawl in case I get cold. All of this fits in a bag too small for my laptop (I also have a slightly bigger bag that fits the laptop and everything else) and it's not like it's all that heavy, either.
If I'm just running to the store, I can put my debit card and driver's license in my jeans pockets and my phone and keys fit in those pockets, too. But if I'm going somewhere for any length of time, it makes way more sense to bring the things I need with me instead of being cold or thirsty or bored.
tayman12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i mean lets be real, pants do look better with tiny pockets
kingbane2 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 04:58:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually it's so the pants remain as an article of clothing to show off girls legs/butts. the pockets have to be small otherwise shit will stab them because the pants are made to be so tight, generally. mens pants are looser usually so they get deeper pockets. you ever see those dudes that wear tight pants? if they put anything in their pocket you can tell immediately what it is and it looks like it's stabbing them.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:17:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a phase in the mid to late 2000' s that had men wearing girl pants and then going to concerts and flailing their arms.
_Timboss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An old friend of mine almost started a fight once when someone came up to him in a pub and announced: "Nice jeans you're wearing! I think my girlfriend has the same pair..."
Thankfully that strange "men in skin tight trousers" fad seems to have faded into obscurity!
Edit: Unless you're in a British indie band, think it's still fair game for them!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:32:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it carries into shirt and jacket pockets too. My wife's jacket has pockets so small I can't fit my hands into them.
Chetanzi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:56:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adding to this - women's clothing, particularly shirts, are made of thinner fabrics so that 1. they wear out faster and need to be replaced more often 2. we have to buy more than one shirt and layer them if we don't want our tops to be see-through.
This is becoming less of a thing since sheer clothes are a fad now, though.
Rhysieroni ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:49:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh I bought some men's joggers one time... the pockets were freaking luxurious. I carry my keys phone etc without worrying that I'll drop them.
GiraffeFromLastOfUs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:04:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the top comment of the last conspiracy thread, sorry about the karma times are a changing.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:18:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make up, high heels, impractical clothing: all devices to keep you enslaved.
throwaway93_4 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:49:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is not even a theory, its straight up truth
Superstu33ca ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:52:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought about this, it's genius!
DucbashtheFirst ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:02:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy, clothing designers assume women don't need pockets because of course they have a purse, every woman I know has a bag of some sort at all times, not just for practicality but because purses are an excessory like a watch or jewelry. And of course purse makers provide the pockets not in the pants and are cute.
Fillertracks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:08:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, wear my girlfriends jeans. You can fit a lighter in the pockets.
ghetto_riche ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:57:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lottle cynical. It makes more sense that full pockets would ruin the curves and cut of the clothes, so designers don't put any on.
dramaaaaa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:12:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have to disagree on that. I own several pairs of extremely skin tight skinny women's jeans and since I hate the tiny pockets, I've sewn bigger pockets into each pair and I haven't had any problems thus far. I carry my phone and keys in my front pockets.
joemiller02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really a theory, pretty transparent
Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just blew my mind. I knew the pockets were small and useless, but the purse connection... that's the missing link!
KukaVex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And also things with pockets, if I find a dress or something with pockets I get so excited I tend to buy ๐
MableXeno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one bums me out. Cuz it's kind of real. Pants were designed so men had a better view. If women were going to dress like men, by god, they were not going to look like men!!! Let's see the curve of asses and crotches!!!! :/
xoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying that if I start retailing big-pocket fem-fashion I'm going to be swamped with customers?
I definitely wont do that though, because I want to make sure whoever sells purses doesn't lose any sales.
just_go_with_it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS I believe!
Eliwood_of_Pherae ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:36:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I think it's more like "women wear purses so they don't need usable pockets."
As if women would need that additional driving force in order to buy purses.
PM_ME_YOUR_BOOK_IDEA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm. Yeah, they do need that driving force. Been a woman all my life and never liked purses. I wouldn't buy one if my life depended on it. Fucking expensive and ugly as hell, but I do have to use a backpack since there's no fucking room for anything.
uncommonman ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 11:34:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know that you can buy "men's" clothes don't you.
No one is going to stop you.
acrosstheaeons ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:00:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but those man pants don't fit right most of the time since only either the waist or the hips fit. Men typically have smaller thighs and butts with the same size waist as women. We also don't need the roomy crotch front that men's pants sometimes have.
PM_ME_YOUR_BOOK_IDEA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:10:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, just because I don't like purses doesn't mean I'm the type of gal that loves men's clothes. They're not made for the boobs and hips that stick out so freaking far
uncommonman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you want the type of clothes that don't work well with pockets?
PM_ME_YOUR_BOOK_IDEA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women's clothing can work with pockets, they don't put them in. Women's clothing has extra fabric in the chest, less fabric in the crotch and more on the hips. That's the difference. Pocket sizes are not the only differences between male and female clothing, not even considering style of clothing.
uncommonman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes butvthe lack of pockets are not a conspiracy it is because women in general prefer clothes with clean lines over pockets.
PM_ME_YOUR_BOOK_IDEA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, and I had replied dispelling a comment saying that women don't need a reason to buy purses, they would just do it anyway. How does your comment have anything at all to do with that?
uncommonman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replied to the wrong comment
PM_ME_YOUR_BOOK_IDEA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your previous two comments too?
stink3rbelle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:52:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this far more of a passive than active thing. I doubt that anyone ever even specifically planned it out or anything. Gender expectations, fashion expectations, and manufacturing demands all work together here. And consumers do not exert a strong enough impact to change it.
But I still refuse to buy streetwear that doesn't have pockets!
vjmdhzgr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a theory.
Reverie_of_an_INTP ยท 8973 points ยท Posted at 18:54:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon landing.
The moon never landed anywhere, it's still in the sky. Just look outside.
Penny_InTheAir ยท 973 points ยท Posted at 20:37:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's just a super thin metal disc held in rotation by satellites.
Paraguay_Stronk ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 21:29:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's a flat disk made by GOD and it's only 20 km above the flat earth made by the LORD! Wake up and repent you heretics! Deus Vult!
Why_Tom ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:28:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll think you'll find it's an alien's egg.
GalacticProfessor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:00:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An alien spider's egg.
Promptic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:20:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's a bird egg with some dust on it from age. Since we as humans are descended from monitor lizards we have a subconscious desire to capture the egg.
This is basic science, y'all.
frogman675 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giant alien spiders are no joke!
Elcatro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:15:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real moon is in a pocket dimension, the one up there now is a doomsday device set to crash into the earth when our population goes over a certain limit.
GoldenWizard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:39:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trying too hard to equate flat-earthers and Christians...
Paraguay_Stronk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:42:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most flat earthers are Christians...
AlexTraner ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:55:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they canโt read... the Bible says the earth isnโt flat.
TheGreat9 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't waste your time. People will be people.
DeusVult1095AD ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:09:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the US is Christian, about 75%. It would be wierd if most flat-earthers weren't christian.
Saying most flat-earthers are christian is like saying most abortions are done on christian women: they are... But that's to be expected.
Now if you are trying to say that a disproportionate amount of christians are flat-earthers, that's something I would be genuinely interested in seeing stats on. I doubt if any stats on such a fringe group exist though.
1jl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand. Flat earthers site Christianity heavily during their arguments. Obviously most Christians are not flat earthers, but I have watched lots of flat Earth YouTube videos and gone to lots of flat earthers websites and for whatever reason the theory is usually tied heavily to religion and some weird form of Christianity. It's strange.
Ahjeofel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me too thanks
GoldenWizard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But not all of them. It's an unfair generalization.
1jl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to go watch a bunch of flat Earth YouTube videos. They are almost without exception Christian. It's weird.
GoldenWizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather not... just because that fringe group believes in Christianity does not mean all Christians subscribe to that theory.
1jl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course
Taco_Supreme_Ruler ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:33:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong again, it's just a hologram projected in the night sky by the US government
Tural- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:15:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I see it in the day sometimes, is that because Steve passed out drunk again and forgot to turn off the projector?
Penny_InTheAir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit Steve, you had one fucking job!
Harbinger147 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:54:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck, no its not its a soviet hologram!
StandUpForYourWights ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:13:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not satellites dude, on flat earth they use very long sticks to hold the moon disc up. Source: Took acid once.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:04:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I've never seen any pictures of the moon from before satellites
Ttatt1984 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:39:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's controlled/directed by Ed Harris
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the only explanation as to how it's the exact size necessary for eclipses
kratos649 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:48:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This explains how you only ever see one side of it. Man, I friggin' knew that was suspicious!
foxfire66 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:47:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not metal and not just super thin, but infinitely thin. It's a JPEG, we're in a simulation. Just a flat image, that's why the same side always faces earth. My uncle flew past it once, said that it kept facing him the entire time, and that it has artifacts that you can't see from far away.
teaflavouredblowjob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the moon is just a projection onto a giant screen that is our 'sky'. All close-up pictures of the moon are actually high-res, closely-cropped photos of potatoes that have been electrified.
Also the earth is flat, and eventually cats WILL push everything off of it. Where do you think all your left socks have gone thus far?
ShitImBadAtThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's also really close. Have you seen it? No way it's more than like 500 meters up there
sharr_zeor ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:07:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha.
You still believe in the moon??
wererat2000 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:53:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's clearly just the back of the sun.
SpicyMeiMei ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:26:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I see is a yellow ball that hurts my eyes.
heybrother45 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:28:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait a few more hours
Holidaysuprise123 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:57:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well now I can't see anything.
rbloyalty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:12:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or 6 days I guess
OldLongStrings ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:59:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm totally using this. Thank you stranger.
ialo00130 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:54:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever someone mentions they don't believe in the Moon landing, respond with:
"pffft You still believe in the moon? Hahahaha", and watch a dumbfounded look form over their face.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:50:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:01:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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im_saying_its_aliens ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:18:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A NASA soundstage, c'mon man, get with the program.
bilblowbaggins ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:52:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, are you in for a surprise next week.
Shadowhawk109 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:27:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAWN OF THE FINAL DAY
Cypraea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:01:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon landed on Earth before it was even born.
beakye7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:48:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wake up sheeple, that's no moon.
VikingTeddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:26:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously Dahak.
beakye7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:05:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's a fully operational battle station.
VikingTeddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Dahak fills the requirements for that :).
LyeInYourEye ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a good enrage chuckle transition for me. Thanks.
TravtheCoach ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go lay down, Dad
trex_in_spats ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:55:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now heres a fucking theory I can get behind.
klsi832 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:00:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It landed against the earth sort of but that was a long, long time ago.
Sylra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:44:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More a take off i'd say, the planet that landed on earth wasn't the moon as we know, the moon was the aftermath.
I mean it's what I heard in a video.
CreaturesFarley ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open your eyes, sheeple!
Snarkout89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:57:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that we actually landed astronauts on the moon, and every event since then has been faked in a movie studio... on the moon.
coleosis1414 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:31:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!!! I keep telling people this and they look at me like I'm CRAZY.
LOOK AT THE SKY, IT'S RIGHT THERE. STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT.
Jumpy142 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sure, if you believe Big Space's lies about the sky not actually just being a projection on a space curtain.
Jumpy142 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sure, if you believe Big Space's lies about the sky not actually just being a projection on a space curtain.
RayTrain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the moon projection is turned off by the governments of each country on our flat earth and turned back on every morning. That how there's different moons. And when there is no moon the government obviously forgot to turn the moon on.
/s tho
comwhy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This post is just... beautiful. I love it <3
hbk1966 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's night and the moon isn't outside right now.
poochyenarulez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
>implying that a projected image can land
EliasKotz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man, right now I can only see the sun
bigcostanzaboi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GOOD point
Dilinial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're stupid... Have an upvote you bastard...
Uncle_Rabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also following me.
Rofl47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cant, IM BLIND.
MonoChinEnthusiast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:16:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You still believe in the moon?
domeoldboys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:53 on November 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you not played the historical documents in majoraโs mask.
karizake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Master Roshi destroyed that thing years ago.
jrm2007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, so simple, all these years and all I had to do was look up. But I have been busy and I almost am never out at night. I do see the Moon sometimes in the daytime but I figured it must have been something else. Thanks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's onto us.
Take him down.
Jumpy142 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sure, if you believe Big Space's lies about the sky not actually just being a projection on a space curtain.
comwhy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah big space is the worst, trying to ban me from nasa sites and shuttle access saying things like "who the fuck are you?", "you are not qualified to drive spaceships", you will kill us all".
What are they hiding?
Bonobo77 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:21:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which moon landing do you think is fake?
averlus ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 04:50:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apple releases updates to make their phones glitch shortly before the next gen iPhones come out.
Source: my glitchy device every August
grokforpay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:02:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude my 7 plus is acting real fucking squirrely now.
flashfangirl101 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:39:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't updated my iPhone 5s since I bought it two years ago- still works perfect!!
[deleted] ยท 941 points ยท Posted at 15:57:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the McCanns were actively involved with the disappearance and/or death of their daughter Madeline.
FBIvan2 ยท 259 points ยท Posted at 20:15:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
omg that was a rabbit hole! I never heard of this story and it is intriguing... I am shocked at the bottom of the wiki page where it just seems there is pedophile after pedophile found in proximity of the disappearance! Holy crap
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:37:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was actually another disappearance around the same time. A girl called Shannon Matthews was kidnapped and later found. I won't tell you what happened but it's worth a read.
rabtj ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:01:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but she wasn't really "kidnapped" tho was she.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:19:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was definitely kidnapped. The fact it was by people who knew her doesn't change the experience of being kept inside a divan bed.
rabtj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:55 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was all planned from the start.
How can it be a kidnapping when her own mother knew it was happening and helped plan it?
She was only hidden in the divan when they knew the police were onto them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
Xtinasauras-rex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:51:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck?! I couldn't even imagine a lie of this level let alone think that I could get away with it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks to /u/clucks86 for reminding me of the name. Ther was a dramatisation this year called The Moorside. I highly recommend it if you can find it.
clucks86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:21:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moor side is also worth a watch. One of the "main characters" i know her daughter. The whole thing happened very close to home.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really enjoyed it but couldn't remember the name of it. Anything with Sheridan Smith in it tends to hit my watch list
Fallenangel152 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:36:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It goes deeper and deeper. I've been following the case for 10 years and still flip flop between they did it and they didn't do it.
๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 15:58:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope i find out the truth before I die..
JP193 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 01:15:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know that widely held fake memory that Nelson Mandela died years ago?
I have that for the McCanns. I have a memory that the parents confessed, the father was taken to court, and it was basically shown that she went missing and they covered up their bad parenting, and the publicity span out of control as they gambled scrutiny versus income (donations and biography royalties).
Genuinely just accepted that for years now, it was a 'case closed' in my head, and only recently someone said that they'd like to know what happened and I was very confused that there's still doubt.
AlexTraner ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 02:00:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a little girl who went missing around the same time. I forget where, but I think her parents admitted to killing her and the facts were similar enough for some of us to link these.
Or Madeleine โs murder has been solved for years in another dimension.
Reesareesa ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:20:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joana Cipriano.
Kantolium ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:41:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be thinking of Shannon Matthews. Her parents tried to stage her kidnapping to get an easy paycheck but Shannon was found hiding under her Uncle's bed. It happened around the same time as the Madeline McCan events. BBC did a really interesting drama about it not too long ago
forgotmyfuckingname ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have the memory of them finding her body in a discarded mini fridge somewhere by the hotel. Or am I thinking of another similar case?
Reesareesa ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:19:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be thinking of Joana Cipriano - another little girl who went missing near where Madeline went missing, around the same time, and whose mother and uncle eventually admitted to killing her. Although her body wasn't found, her uncle did confess that he put her body in a fridge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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StinginPlatypus ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:45:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC many people remember him dying years before that in prison, and only found out he had been alive for years when he actually died. It's one of the most cited cases of the (aptly named) Mandela Effect. I'm on mobile or I'd link you, but you should look it up. Very interesting stuff.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:37:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do as well. But not solved by wasting taxpayers money
Fallenangel152 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:38:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll never be solved now. There are still no big leads so no-one will ever confess, and there's almost no chance of finding a body. If she's still alive she won't remember anything her former life.
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 23:50:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IamBili ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:23:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe her parents had sold her cold body to some pedo ring, that helped with the whole PR stunt of Madeline "disappearance"
b_port ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that sounds like a stretch.
Scary-Brandon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there was blood found in the room. On the wall right above where she was sleeping
pug_grama2 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she had fallen in the pool surely there would have been lot of noise and shouting.
habitual_viking ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 10:40:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how drowning works in real life.
rabtj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:03:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, dont buy that one.
They were all sat in full view of the apartment, not 50 yards away. No way she wandered out and accidently died and they hid her body.
Someone snatched that girl.
waves-of-the-water ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's usually with people who are strong enough to push themselves to the top/swim in the water. Children sink.
pug_grama2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But after they noticed her missing someone would have discovered the girl's body in the pool and then there would have been noise and shouting.
Lucky_lux ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 01:40:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty clear what happened, I just would like to know how it was done. If you haven't, i recommend reading the book "The truth of the lie" written by the lead investigator of the case, Gonรงalo Amaral, who later resigned so he could publish it. There even exists a documentary made from the book here. I was shocked after I read the book and saw the video... it's just unbelievable how things ended. The part where they bring the dogs to the apartment is just overwhelming. Starts at the 25 minute mark in the video.
Since we are talking about conspiracies, I believe they were "protected" and the case was shutdown to avoid a diplomatic confrontation. The case reached such media and popular attention that it could no longer be "solved", it would lead to a major scandal. Let's not forget that they created a fund that reached millions of contributions, from common people as to stars like Cristiano Ronaldo and so on. It would be... crazy.
rabtj ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:08:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, cause Goncalo was a top man. He had already been implicated in tampering with evidence and misconduct in another missing child case.
He resigned because he wasn't allowed to profit from his book while still working for the spanish police and realised he was gonna make way more money from that than he could ever do in the last few short years of a career he had left.
Why would the McCann's be "protected"? They weren't anyone special. They had no connections to anyone special.
And theyve spent their fund on 10 years of private investigators looking for Maddie.
If you were the murderers, would you keep shining the light on the case for 10 years? Wouldn't you want people to forget about it?
Lucky_lux ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:23:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are so misinformed that you think Gonรงalo Amaral is Spanish. He's Portuguese and all of this happened in Algarve, also Portugal! I've done some reading on the matter and never came across the information you're talking about. Can you please link it?
Also, if you're implying that he tempered with evidence in this case, the most critical piece of evidence was brought forward by the forensic dogs which were brought to Portugal by the English police to aid in the case. As Gonรงalo Amaral left the case he was substituted by another detective, who later brought the couple to questioning in light of the evidence found. So it was not only Gonรงalo Amaral but an entire police force and judges, in combined effort with english police, that didn't fully believe the story being told.
rabtj ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:57:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[quote from the wiki article](Joana Isabel Cipriano (born 31 May 1996) disappeared on 12 September 2004 from Figueira, a village near Portimรฃo in the Algarve region of Portugal. An investigation by the Polรญcia Judiciรกria, Portugal's criminal police, concluded that she had been murdered by her mother, Leonor Cipriano, and her mother's brother, Joรฃo Cipriano, after witnessing them engaged in incestuous sex. Her body was never found.[1]
The mother and uncle confessed to police in October 2004; the uncle said he had cut the girl's body into pieces before disposing of it somewhere in Spain.[2] Joana's mother withdrew her confession the day after signing it, alleging that she had been beaten during a 48-hour-long interrogation. The police officers accounted for the bruising on the mother's face and body by maintaining that she had thrown herself down some stairs in the police station in an effort to commit suicide.[3] Both the mother and uncle were convicted of murder and sentenced to 16 years in jail.[4] It was the first murder trial in Portuguese legal history to take place without the discovery of a body.[5]
Five officers were charged with a variety of offences as a result of the allegations of assault; three were acquitted.[6] One of the two officers who was convicted, Chief Inspector Gonรงalo Amaral, led the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the British girl who went missing in May 2007 from the nearby resort of Praia da Luz. Amaral was not present during the alleged assault, but was accused of having covered up for other officers; he was convicted of having falsified police documents in the case and received an 18-month suspended sentence.[7])
Full article here if you want to read it.
Lucky_lux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I'll read it.
Edit: Just read it. I actually remember that case, it was heavily reported on the news at the time. But didn't know it was also in Algarve and also investigated by him. Didn't even know the final outcome. Thank you once again for linking it.
IloveFakku ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:29:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not wrong about having to leave Portuguese police so he could make money from the book. He did leave police do to a police investigation on another missing child where he covered up for 2 officers beating up the child mother who then later confessed. Either way he really isn't that good of a source, although it's widely thought here in Portugal that the parents did do it.
rabtj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:46:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Portuguese sorry, my bad.
If there was enough evidence to charge this couple they would have been charged.
No one on this earth could accidentely kill their kid then go to dinner and act like nothing happened. No one.
And if you say its possible then youve never had kids.
Lucky_lux ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being a parent doesn't rule you out of being investigated and/or charged. That isn't a deciding factor in any way... if it is, estatisticaly speaking, it actually plays against the parents.
In the book there is a reference to a statistic based on an english database that reaches all the way back to 1960, and from an universe of 1528 cases reported, the parents are responsible for 82% of them. On that same database, 96% of the times there is a great relation of proximity between the victim and the agressor. And only 4% of those cases are attributed to foreign agressors.
LHOOQatme ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:21:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with JonBenรฉt Ramsay
irenebeesly ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 02:46:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her brother did it. At least that theory is most plausible to me.
goldieluxe2 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:36:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is one I am on board with. Brother did it, parents covered it up so they wouldn't lose two kids.
DancePartyUS ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:04:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The curious thing is there was a mixture of her blood and two other people's blood in her underwear. The DNA did not match the brother. It's odd though they found blood from 2 perps because while finding her blood wouldn't be unusual given what happened to her, but what would make the perpetrators bleed as well and for it to be in her underwear. Semen, I could see, but blood from two people?
If the parents did cover up the brother doing this, where did they get blood from to plant in the underwear? It was the middle of the night and during the morning right after Christmas. If the brother killed her, they probably wouldn't have expected that, so it's not like they'd have blood on hand to put in her underwear.
The case is so bizarre, it's no wonder it's still discussed 20+ years later. Too bad the police did such a horrible job and tainted so much evidence.
octobertwins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Patsy did it.
Jon Benet wet the bed. Patsy punished her.
Patsy wrote that ransom letter. That's for sure. I don't think the dad or brother were involved at all.
Lmih ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:36:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah I didn't think I'd ever see this mentioned again.
purple_blaze ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 22:29:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you don't live in the UK? The Daily Mail pretty much rotates its cover stories every day between Princess Diana and Maddie McCann
Lmih ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:15:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. No I live in France but I am British, I don't keep up with UK tabloids or even French ones.
bennylogger ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:10:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't missing anything
deathschemist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:46:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, they do it when it's either a slow news day, or something happened that the daily mail doesn't want people to know about.
rabtj ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:10:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, when they're not blaming immigrants for the destruction of the UK or licking the Tories arse clefts.
deathschemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep.
englishjackaroo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:33:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't been reading ay UK tabloids lately
RedGyara ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:10:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann
atrigent ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 08:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so, after reading that entire page it actually seems that there's no unambiguous evidence whatsoever to incriminate the parents and the vast majority of the commenters in this thread are completely full of shit. Truly despicable.
Peil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uh, nope
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html
Two articles from complete opposite sources. If she genuinely wanted to find her daughter, she wouldn't care if the police were suspicious. Also she used her status and nationality to demonise the Portugese police for making her a suspect, despite the fact parents and spouses are almost always suspects in disappearances. The press helped her by portraying the Portugese investigators as lazy, stupid and incompetent. The first person she called was her lawyer. I have no proof that she committed a crime, but it's sure as hell she's not cooperating with the investigation, then wondering why people are suspicious.
atrigent ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. If you had read anything at all about this, you would know that they were only made suspects four months into the investigation. This is also when this "48 questions" interrogation took place. These were all very basic questions that the parents surely had already answered and that the police already knew the answers to. It seems pretty clear that the decision to make them suspects was motivated by a misinterpretation by the Portugese police of a British DNA analysis. Their lawyer is the one who advised them not to respond to questions - the police's motive was to trick the parents into saying something that the police could use against them, not to acquire new information. If police ever initiate a witch hunt against you due to their own incompetence, I would advise you to listen to your lawyer as well (I feel like that's the one bit of legal advice that a non-lawyer can give).
No. The first people they called were the police, 10 minutes after discovering their daughter missing. I don't know when they acquired a lawyer, but it's a damn good thing they had one by the time the police initiated their witch hunt.
It is clearly not true that the press universally supported the parents, because the press is where you and everyone else in this thread are getting 100% of their baseless accusations and other bullshit.
And honestly, the Portugese police did fuck up a lot. There's a whole section on the Wikipedia page about the fuck-ups in the first few hours of the investigation. Their handling of the English/Portugese language barrier was also quite laughable. None of this is to say that the whole thing is their fault, but it's completely justified for the press to report on these mistakes.
Overall, pointing to these "48 questions" articles is just about the dumbest thing you could try to do to discredit the parents. I have to say, if you want to discredit them, there are much more compelling ways you could attempt it.
Elia24 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 21:49:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I think they overdosed her on whatever the sleeping drugs were that they used on their children, then hid the evidence.
pug_grama2 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:16:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is quite a crazy theory. The parents are both physicians. Even if they were giving sleeping medications (unlikely) they would have known what a safe dose was.
They did show very bad judgment to leave her alone in a hotel room when they went to dinner. How could they have thought that was OK? There could have been a fire, or she might have woken up and wondered off, or, of course, been kidnapped.
california_dying ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 03:41:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My parents who are both licensed M.D.s would occasionally give me Benadryl if I was having trouble sleeping. I don't think it's that unlikely.
omg__really ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:22:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots and lots and lots of people do this to help very young children navigate through otherwise difficult or stressful things, like a long flight for example. It's very common and often actively recommended by GPs.
flintlock519 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they mean like prescription medication. Pretty hard for anyone to fuck up Benadryl.
rabtj ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:13:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im not and MD and i would occasionally give my kids Tylenol to help them sleep.
What the fuck does that prove?
california_dying ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:23:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The person to whom I responded said it was unlikely Dr.s would give medication to children to help them sleep. I disagreed.
dugant195 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:03:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying practicing doctors would mess up with FUCKING BENADRYL?
california_dying ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I said is that I disagree that it's unlikely a doctor would give medication to a child to help them sleep.
DancePartyUS ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:43:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The kids were alone in the hotel rooms, but the parents all took turns going back every 30 minutes to check on them. At least, that's what all of them said.
I think she woke up, wandered outside and was abducted. Perhaps the person murdered her or she is still alive and being raised by some pedophile.
Helpfulcloning ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:39:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hotel had a free babysitting service that they chose not to use.
DancePartyUS ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:16:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did not know that. Perhaps some people are weird about strangers watching their kids, but then again, those type of people would have had one parent stay with the kids (even on shifts) instead of checking in on them every 30 minutes.
DreamMachine483 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:51:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard it was a paying service, but I still don't get why they didn't use it...
rabtj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:20:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most these parents were guilty of was perhaps negligence in leaving the kids, altho i can see how they thought their precautions could be thought adequate by them.
Some people say they wouldn't leave their kids alone for one second, others would. Its all a matter of personal preference.
But they are not murderers
Helpfulcloning ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't above leaving your kid for one second like leaving them in the supervised swimming pool while you go to the bar. It isn't like looking at your phone while your kid plays.
They left their 0-6 year old kids in a unlockable from the inside hotel room when there was a specfic service at the hotel so they wouldn't have to do so. They didn't go down to the hotel bar they left to go to a different bar not even in the hotel.
What would have happened if one of the kids left the room and was picked up by staff? Who would the staff contact?
In fact it is very likely that might have happened. Maddie woke up and went looking for them and was taken by someone claiming to know where her parents were.
It is neglectful and slightly sociopathic to gain money over the whole event through books etc + the whole not answering certian questions.
rabtj ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:52:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not true.
They were eating at the restaurant across from the apartment, not more than 50 yards away and in full view of the apartment door.
They ate at the same table they had requested every night for 6 nights, the one right at the front that gave them direct view of the apartment.
Personally i would consider their precautions reasonable as they checked on the kids every half hour and could see if one of them left by the front door and the back doors were locked.
They only things they couldn't take into consideration was someone breaking into the rear of the apartment.
Peil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html
whyyes-yesiam ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:05:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They used sleeping drugs on their children? I've never heard of this story. That's despicable!
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 06:53:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why people are being upvoted highly for definitively stating this. It's just a theory and there's no evidence that they, at any point, did actually sedate them. I'm not dismissing it as impossible but press have been in a bit of a frenzy in this case and popped up with sensational unsubstantiated reports since day one.
rabtj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:11:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Their is utterly no evidence for this crap. It is pure and utter fantasy.
Just because they were doctors then people assume they drug their children? WTF.
whyyes-yesiam ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:03:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I scanned through the wiki page and there are definitely some things about the case and the behavior of the parents that are odd, however, there is also enough (in my opinion) plausible evidence that the little girl really was abducted, like the Tanner sighting. There are a lot of people angry about them leaving their children asleep alone, but I can see them all as a group feeling safe having dinner near by with the kids sleeping and them checking on them every 30 minutes in a condo setting. The note that stated where the children were was a BAD idea and does open up the possibility of someone intending them harm to know exactly how and when to strike.
Elia24 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 03:11:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes its disgusting. They are doctors themselves and it was normal for them to give their kids sleeping pills or whatever Formula to conk them out and they could go out unhindered. Who seriously leaves a bunch of very, very young children alone in a hotel room. Sleeping or not, its not a normal thing to do. Add the sleeping meds they Gave them and this solves itself.
octobertwins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought case Anthony gave Kaylee Xanax so she could go out.
"Zanny the nanny" was just a clever name she gave to the act of giving that kid Xanax.
rabtj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, its also total bullshit with no evidence to back it up apart from it being someones theory.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:38:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AlexTraner ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:05:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap and hat woman isnโt in jail? ... I suspected her before that but refusing to answer those? Why??? Most of them wouldnโt have proven more than that she was a mother!
Throwawayuhbayuhbay ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 07:11:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair it's against your best interests to answer cop's questions without a lawyer present generally, and these guys were itching to pin it on the parents.
Considering the obvious ineptitude and laziness of these cops, and the media focus called in by the parents, I can so see the cops getting hostile af, and that hostility eventually translating to suspicion. Murat has the sketchiest vibe imo, asking questions to journalists & ingraining himself in the investigation early on? Textbook murderer. Speculative af but hey lol
Wendy-M ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:57:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says at the beginning of the article that she was legally represented in the interview, does that not mean there was a lawyer present?
Peil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it obvious? This is just the narrative the British press pushed because foreigners can't be policemen apparently
Wendy-M ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:30:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you meant to reply to someone else, I don't know what your question is in reference to.
Peil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I did, Reddit was being very strange, apologies
Wendy-M ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quite alright, I hope you get an answer.
SeasickSykes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh me too, i think the Chicken barely missed the wire, at least it avoided a plucking though, close call.
rabtj ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:26:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pff, a highly dubious article from an equally highly dubious journalistic piece of shit.
I wouldn't believe the daily mail if they told me the sky was blue.
Some of these questions are utter garbage and the article also doesn't mention that Gerry answered all the questions the police asked him
Peil ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html
rabtj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:53:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
copied from the Daily Mail article? A common practice with newspapers.
You think, your kid has just gone missing. Your baby girl. Are you going to be in a fit state to answer questions?
atrigent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This didn't even happen just after the disappearance. It happened four months later, when police surely would already have known the answers to these questions. The ignorance in this thread is truly astounding.
unsolicited_dickpics ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:26:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the daily mail. Not sure reputable.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:47:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this even a conspiracy theory any more? Rightly or wrongly everyone thinks they did it, and even if they didn't they're still awful parents and awful people who have milked the situation for all its worth.
badillin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:56:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did... did they really set up a fund to help find her, then after it got over a million euros, they used the money for a downpayment on a Mansion where they still currently live... did they really do that????
holy shit...
rabtj ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:00:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dug deeply into this after an argument online with someone and the more you look at it the less likely they were involved it becomes.
Why would two people who had accidently or otherwise "murdered" their own child spend 10 years and millions of pounds hiring people to find her?
Wouldn't you just want it swept quietly under the carpet for fear of you being exposed?
This is just one of the reasons i think they are completely innocent of any wrongdoing.
The time window between her last being seen alive and being discovered missing is way too short for them to have done anything with her body other than hide it in a cupboard.
And could any parent who had just killed their own kid go to dinner and act completely normal? I don't think so. You would be devastated. No way you could hide that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just listened to that episode on true crime garage
drawdeadonk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:46:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALLEGEDLY, the Podesta brothers were staying within a few blocks of where the McCanns were staying when Madeline disappeared.
Challymo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you've never seen it look up monkey dust, there is an ongoing sketch in it that reminds of this story every time I see it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd forgotten about Monkey Dust, thank you for reminding me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been of the opinion that her parents, both doctors, drugged their three children so theyโd be asleep while they had drinks with their friends. Something went wrong with Madeline, and she died. The parents took her body (which would be small, considering she was four years old) and said she was missing. Itโs strange that a four year old would baby sit not one two year old, but two. Also the room where the kids were sleeping in was unlocked. The best reasoning the family can give is that they were checking periodically. Sounds quite strange.
octobertwins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been in a hotel where you can leave doors unlocked. That's weird.
FailObamaSAD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:42:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That shit was John and Tony Podesta. No doubt about it.
TheGreatClemento ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:30:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely agree! I don't know if she's still alive - i would bet she isn't but the truth needs to have it's day with this one.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:54:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Helpfulcloning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:51:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Helpfulcloning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the point. I don't think if they did do it it was malicious at all. I really really don't. However they were dumb and neglectful.
Helpfulcloning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the point. I don't think if they did do it it was malicious at all. I really really don't. However they were dumb and neglectful.
RedditSkippy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:40:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be really surprised if they weren't somehow involved. Sad, tragic story.
pemboo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:09:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether they were involved, or left her alone as they claim, they are guilty of AT LEAST gross negligence. They're guilty one way or another of a crime and won't see any sort of punishment for it.
voiderror404 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:46:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the big bro did it and the parents covered it up. From the documentaries and shut it seems like jonbenet was the favorite child camped to him. They probably understood his jealousy and made hop for it by covert the murder up.
I know, a huge reach, but they know more than they say
EDIT: Lmfao guys im so sorry, wrong case๐คฃ๐คฃ
BloodAngel85 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:34:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Madeline didn't have an older brother. She was the oldest of 3 children.
since4ever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why the case is so convoluted, people don't even bother to get the basic facts right. The case as a whole is plagued with misinformation and random accusations.
filo4000 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:26:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
different dead kid but I half agree on older brother thing, I 50% believe he killed her
Stormaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to post this if others hadn't. I'm not convinced they killed her (perhaps it was an accidental death) but their behaviour in the aftermath of Madeleine McCann's disappearance is incredibly questionable. There many questionable actions and suspect connections that, for me, just don't add up.
R/UnresolvedMysteries has an excellent post on the topic (I'm on mobile so can't find it but it's worth the read).
Scarface_gv ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 05:49:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were involved in some really shady shit as far as I recall and they were FORCED to give her kiddo or else they get killed.
THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED!
dezzear ยท 705 points ยท Posted at 02:48:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. govt shot down the plane in that Pennsylvania field so it wouldn't hit the Capitol. The inspiring story of passengers rising up is just propaganda.
Becktronics ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 07:40:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cockpit voice recorder captured the sounds of crashing, screaming, and the shattering of glass and plates.[73] Three times in a period of five seconds there were shouts of pain or distress from a hijacker outside the cockpit, suggesting a hijacker that was standing guard outside the cockpit was being attacked by the passengers.[74] Jarrah stabilized the plane at 10:00:03.[29] Five seconds later, he asked, "Is that it? Shall we finish it off?" Another hijacker responded, "No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off."[47] Jarrah once again pitched the airplane up and down. A passenger in the background cried, "In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll die" at 10:00:25. Sixteen seconds later, another passenger, identified as Tom Burnett,[75] yelled, "Roll it!", possibly referring to using the food cart.[29] The voice recorder did record the sound of the passengers using the food cart as a battering ram against the cockpit door.[76] Jarrah ceased the violent maneuvers at 10:01:00 and recited the takbir several times. He then asked another hijacker, "Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?" The other hijacker responded, "Yes, put it in it, and pull it down."[29] The passengers continued their assault and at 10:02:17, a male passenger said, "Turn it up!" A second later, a hijacker said, "Pull it down! Pull it down!" At 10:02:33, Jarrah was heard to plead, "Hey! Hey! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me!", possibly referring to the plane's yoke.[77]
The airplane plummeted into a nosedive with the yoke turned hard to the right. The airplane rolled upside down, and one of the hijackers began shouting the takbir. Amidst the continued sounds of the passenger counterattack, the aircraft picked up speed, whooshing and shrieking picked up on the recorder, and the hijackers inside the cockpit are heard yelling "No!" at the sound of breaking glass โ presumably from the food cart โ and that the final spoken words on the recorder seemed to be an inexplicably calm voice in English instructing, "Pull it up."[78] The plane then finally plowed into an empty field in Stonycreek, Pennsylvania, about 20 minutes' flying time from Washington, D.C.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93#
PennyLisa ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 11:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck... I've read that before. It's seriously chilling. What a thing.
huntingwhale ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:10:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intense read
musicalbacon ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 03:48:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely this. Two planes had just flown into buildings, they weren't about to let a third one fly around to do god knows what.
WitELeoparD ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 06:16:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I m pretty sure that back then the air force never had planes ready for immediate deployment with weapons ready. I remember in this documentary one of the pilots who were sent out to deal with the planes said it was a kamakazee mission as they had no weaponry.
[deleted] ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 06:22:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. There are 911 documentaries with the radio traffic. One of the F-16s that got scrambled had orders to shoot down Flight 93 if it got close to anything important, and the pilot basically asked "with what?" since he had no missiles and wasn't convinced 20mm Cannon would do enough damage fast enough if it came to that.
He was basically ordered to fly into it if he had to.
Gigajude ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 07:43:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The audio from ATC and the military on 9/11 is chilling. You can hear the panic in the otherwise cool composure.
married_a_music_man ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 12:32:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a link to what you're talking about?
Schuba ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commenting cause I'm interested too
NathanDahlin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:01:44 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be this oneโRacing to the Pentagonโor another like it.
Also worth watching: Dead Silence (flight controllers monitoring the 2nd plane as it hit the WTC).
After-the-fact interview with Marc Sasseville, one of the pilots who was ordered to scramble into the air for a potential kamikaze mission, as their F-16s were unarmed.
Full ATC audio recordings (nearly 2 hours)
Time4Red ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 10:02:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly convinced that a 20 mm cannon could take out two turbofan engines. Even slight damage to the blades can effect the compression or turbine phase of the engine, which would result in eventual failure if the engine wasn't turned off. Loss of cabin pressure would follow once the engines were destroyed.
Ascott1989 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 10:50:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a 20mm cannon would absolutely devastate an airliner.
Altephor1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:52:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but would it put the plane down?
I.e. if the plane was on a collision course with a building, does shooting out the engines with a 20mm cannon stop the plane effectively enough so that it doesn't just continue to glide into the building?
Time4Red ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:41:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without cabin pressure, they would have to descend to 8,000 feet, at which point they could glide 20 miles without engines under perfect conditions. With the Appalachian mountains in the way, it would be more like 10, and every time they turn they decrease their range.
Altephor1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
Time4Red ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:52:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contrary to popular belief, airliners to not recirculate all of their air. They take pressurized air from the compressors in the turbine engine and pump it into the cabin. That's why the air is so dry. If that system fails, then there is a limited supply of oxygen on board. Within 10 minutes, the pilot has to descend to an altitude at which people can breath the outside air.
Altephor1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:57:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me rephrase:
Why would a terrorist bent on a suicide mission to destroy a building with a plane need to descend to 8,000 ft?
Time4Red ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the terrorist needs to be conscious to fly the plane, especially a plane with a bunch of holes in it.
Altephor1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:59:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well presumably there's oxygen masks available, and he's probably not too worried about reaching his goal with an F-14 on his ass.
I'm just saying, while 20 mm cannons are sufficient for taking down an airliner, it's likely that the military wouldn't engage with them because there's too many variables as to what happens following the engine failure. The biggest risk obviously being that the terrorists just say 'fuck it' and ram the plane into a town somewhere.
Time4Red ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:40:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only enough oxygen for 10 minutes or so. Not sure if I made that clear.
A few years ago, there was actually an airliner that deployed it's oxygen masks. The cabin pressure indicators were green, so the pilots thought it was a mistake. By the time they started to become hypoxic a few minutes later, there was no oxygen left in the emergency system. They didn't have enough time to descend. The entire crew and all of the passengers all died. The plane continued to fly for 4 hours on auto-pilot, then just circled it's destination in a holding pattern for a few hours until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
Altephor1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, this is what I'm saying. Ten minutes is plenty of time to set the plane on a course to crash into any number of things, places, buildings, etc.
Unlikely the military would engage unless they could effectively take down the plane as swiftly and effectively as possible.
Time4Red ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A small town, maybe, but you aren't going to kill many people. An airliner crashed into a dense area of Brooklyn a few years ago and killed maybe 6 or so people on the ground.
maztron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because he wan'ts to accomplish what he was set out to die for. Doubt his intentions are to just pass out while flying a plane.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because otherwise he would be dead within minutes and not get to do his terrorist stuff.
theartificialkid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pilots could only maintain altitude as long as they had oxygen. If their oxygen ran out at high altitude they would eventually pass out.
NimbleLogicBro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Air is thinner at higher altitudes... Without cabin pressure they're ego get the passengers low enough to breathe the air.
false_cut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they can breathe
Scary-Brandon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoot the engine(s) out only 1 side. Even if they can manage to glide down gradually they wouldn't be going straight
OpticalData ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:43:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planes can easily fly on one engine...
covfefelajefe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...With trained pilots doing the flying. The FAA requires a multi engine rating in order to fly a plane with more than 1 engine. A guy at the controls with nothing but Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 experience isn't going to maintain control.
Also consider: an engine failing on its own is one problem... damage from a 20mm cannon could affect control surfaces, hydraulics, and the fuel tanks in addition to engine failure.
FinibusBonorum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:20:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to comment. I've flown many hours in MS Flight Sim (since v1.0 on an old Macintosh, up to FSim 2000).
I'm not sure I could fly a Boeing anywhere I wanted, but I am fairly confident I could make a reasonably safe landing.
I am sure I could take a typical four-seater and lift off, fly around all day, and land safety again. Because I have, without actual flight school, with an instructor sitting next to me. I had expected it to be more difficult than that.
covfefelajefe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:16 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should probably edit my post to say "probably isn't". You're right that the act of flying a plane really isn't all that difficult - it's when things don't work like they ought to that you have problems. There are plenty of stories where the pilot of a plane was incapacitated and a passenger was able to land safely, so you're definitely right.
Where I was going with my original comment is that an engine taken out by a cannon will probably have more problems than just the engine failing. Take American Airlines Flight 191 for example - an engine separating on takeoff severed hydraulic lines that made the plane uncontrollable. United Flight 232 is another good example. My point is that trained pilots have trouble with these situations... a terrorist with no actual flight training most likely would not maintain control of the aircraft.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:42:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shrugs I mean, that was my thought too, but I'm not a fighter pilot.
ST07153902935 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:42:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those 20 mm cannons can shoot 6,000 rounds in a minute. I am confident they could take down a commercial plane if they had enough time before the target (middle of Pennsylvania, not in a city)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:45:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wondered about that too, but I'm not a fighter pilot.
It's also possible I'm misremembering and he had nothing loaded.
NathanDahlin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:07 on August 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He had nothing loaded. Before they took off, him and his wingman basically agreed to crash into the jet's cockpit & tail (later considering hitting its wings) to bring it down and then eject if they could.
JBow87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna say this. I can't imagine any reason why they would load just the cannon in that case.
pX_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps because it is safer (in case of crash or emergency landing) and much cheaper than missiles.
(That's not an argument for loading cannons, it's just an argument for not loading missiles.)
JBow87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but the cannon takes a good bit of time to load and they are not just going to leave it loaded on the tarmac
pX_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably.
I know nothing about military aircraft procedures apart from how to build RC models of WW2 planes :-)
Anonymonynonymous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:05:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't shoot 6,000 rounds a minute though, because they have 20 seconds of ammunition.
dabluebunny ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:54:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rate of fire can still be measured in minutes, even if they don't have the capacity. Using RPM rounds per minute is commonly used with all sorts of guns. An AK47 can fire ~600rpm, but the typical magazine only holds 30 rounds. You could just say it fires 10rds a second, or 30rds in 3 seconds, but rounds per minute is more common.
Hiredgun77 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 04:45:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the passengers did rise up. However, the fed had no way of knowing this so shot it down where it would do the least amount of damage. When the story came out the fed didn't want to be thought of as killing people who were fighting back so played up the hero angle.
DragonBank ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:46:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that math doesn't add up. It can't possibly that easy to determine where the plane would fall. It wasn't exactly flying on the ground and the momentum it had would have taken it quite a distance.
rmurph22 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 04:36:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a really interesting theory but also one that we will never know about.
Cant_stop-Wont_stop ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 10:33:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest reason this is completely unbelievable is that before 9/11, we didn't keep armed fighters on active alert. It takes a hell of a lot of time to arm up a jet if you weren't already prepared for it. I'm talking hours and hours and hours. Operation Noble Eagle was post-911.
Unless they just happened to have a fighter in the area with a live load (and they almost never fly CONUS with live missiles), you're severely underestimating just how damn long it takes to get a jet in the air with no notice. I mean, for starters, you have to find a sober pilot.
Secondly, hitting an aircraft with an AAM causes very specific types of damage and tends to break aircraft apart midair. The aircraft in question basically went nose-first into the ground at max speed - an AAM wouldn't cause that.
BuffyStark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:09:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, the fighter jets that finally did scramble headed toward the Atlantic as they assumed a threat was coming from outside the country.
The_Magic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty odd that a black box recording exists but was never released.
Wiki_pedo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:18:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? I don't think every possible recording should always be made public.
The_Magic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:45:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial plane's blackbox recordongs usually are made public some time after they crash. So it's odd that with a crash as high profile as 9/11 that they'd release the transcript but not the actual recording.
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, I actually think more likely than not that the plane crashed on its own, but only releasing the transcript strikes me as odd.
grokforpay ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:13:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was released in 2006. You can listen.
The_Magic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:56 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I searched awhile back, every "recording" I found was faked. Lots of people liked to pretend that the audio from the movies was the actual blackbox.
grokforpay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, it was the transcript released.
grokforpay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was released in 2006. You can listen.
magicmurph ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 06:59:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was an aircraft maintainer in the Air Force a few years after 9/11. United 93 is what we call an 'open secret'.
I've spoken personally to several crew chiefs and even a weapons troop or two who all shared the same story. That morning, 4 F-16s scrambled out of Langley in a big damn hurry, full alert status. One of them came back missing an AIM-9. All pilots, dccs, some adccs, and even a few loaders were scooped into trucks and brought to debrief where they were instructed that these details were all classified. Being maintainers, however, the truth got out.
Pretty much all maintenance folks know this, it's not really a secret among us. However, this is a case where for the most part we agree with the made up story, because the idea that the passengers rose up as heroes and defended themselves is much better for morale all around, so we don't really mind.
EDIT: there's also this video of Cheney admitting he gave the order to scramble the jets to intercept.
BeautyAndGlamour ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 08:39:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seemingly very plausible and credible, but do you have anything to back this up with whatsoever?
magicmurph ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:27:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing I could show you as proof, but I'm sure you could find my story corroborated more than a few times if you go looking.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:25:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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magicmurph ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:38:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure, but isn't there an interview where Cheney admits he gave the command to shoot it down?
EDIT: here it is.
OnePeace12 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:01:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any proof of your service?
magicmurph ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:33:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm not gonna take a picture of my DD-214, but I'll give you a summary of my service.
I went in as 2A3X3, tactical aircraft maintainer (crew chief). Went to Lackland with the 320th TRS (can't stop the rock), in August which was dumb on my part. Very high temps. Went to tech school at Sheppard AB in Wichita Falls for about 7 months (326 crew dogs), then a one month HOT training (on the job training on live jets) at Tyndall AFB in Panama City, Florida, crewing the F15 Eagle. Went to Kadena AB, Okinawa, as my home base for my term. 18th AMXS, 44AMU vampire bats. From there I went on a few deployments around SE Asia and a couple to the states, like Red Flag at Nellis.
Ascott1989 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:52:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
potentially reveals classified information -> is asked for proof.
I mean, it's fair to ask but you're not going to get it.
PSPHAXXOR ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:55:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without further evidence, I'm going to remain overwhelmingly skeptical of this.
Ascott1989 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:56:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which you should be you're in a conspiracy thread.
PurpleRamen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:13:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes so much sense! Wow
BeautyAndGlamour ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:46:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that would mean that all the audio recordings from the passengers' phones were faked, as well as the black box data?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:54:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been confused by this... who in 2001 was instantly ready to record a cell conversation? Yeah, we all have apps we might know how to use to do this today, but how did these happen to get recorded back then? (Other than answering machines, of course.)
webtwopointno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:02 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i believe that's how these were recorded
VdogameSndwchDimonds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:08 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, back then you'd lose calls when you were driving on the highway because of dead zones so it seems very unlikely that any cell phones in 2001 could have made calls from a plane, connected to who they were calling, and had an uninterrupted phone call. And because of phone tech, you had to turn off your phone during takeoff and landing because it screwed with the plane's instruments, so the whole idea of making calls from a hijacked plane never sounded plausible to me.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:29:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ThePrussianGrippe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:33:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt this.
The entire event from knowing it was a hijacking with more planes to the final plane going down was less than an hour.
Even if you could scramble a sufficient amount of interceptors you're searching for a needle in the goddamn haystack.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ThePrussianGrippe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to clarify I'm not doubting your recounting, I'm doubting his entire story.
covfefelajefe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offense toward your associate, but you're probably right about him blowing smoke. I am friends with several folks in the military, and work with several more. With very few exceptions, there are two types: the ones who tell you nothing, and the ones who make everything up.
If everything I was told by them was true, then a missile hit the Pentagon on 9/11, MH370 was shot down by the Chinese, there was an armed AC-130 orbiting Benghazi the whole time, Bin Laden is being held at a secret prison in Diego Garcia, and - my favorite - the F-35 was such a fiasco to cover up a secret program to build an actual cloaking system for it.
Not saying it's all lies, but you know some of it is.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was widely reported while it played out. Then they changed the story. Good call on this one, 100% correct.
The most fucked up part is the fucking idiotic hero movie they made about these poor murder victims. Shame on whoever did that.
lp1965 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question here, even if this is true, does it matter? The harrowing story of the passengers was an uplifting moment for the families of the victims on the plane, helping them feel their loved ones didn't die in vain and went down saving lives and fighting the good fight. A much needed uplift in America as a whole at the time. Being shot down would have been necessary if they knew it was the next one heading towards a building but is a much sadder story.
dezzear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:49 on November 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
absolutely, i dont beleive peoples feelings should get in the way of a greater truth. there can be some inspiration found that those people were sacrificed in order to save similar thousands with the few planes that met their marks.
Clebbins1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the day of: news reports that one plane didn't respond to calls to land immediately headed towards DC. A few minutes later it was down.
mjj1492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:36:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially because the thing was blown to absolute shreds. That's doesn't happen in a crash. There also wasn't a giant impact crater like there should have been
TacticalHog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:19 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eh? Look up the German Wings plane crash (flew into a mountain by pilot suicide), shit's pretty shredded and no crater, cause as far as I know craters only come from giant impacts
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:23:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said on the news in the U.K. that the plane was 'brought down'. They only said it once. Also, you couldn't bloody well use mobile phones on planes way back then. The 'handshake' isn't possible at those speeds.
PluvioStrider ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 10:13:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you watched the 9/11 documentary?
Specifically the victims' families retelling what they think happened and that all of their spouses were deadly killing machines. The emotions they portray, body language, facial expressions it's all wrong. Those aren't the reactions someone makes to the tragic death of a loved one.
Jason-Genova ยท -59 points ยท Posted at 04:27:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plane flying into the pentagon was faked in order to hide evidence of a trillion dollars was missing.
Hiredgun77 ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 04:48:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So my uncle is breathing oxygen through a mask right now because he DIDN'T get crushed by that plane? I guess I'll have to explain to him that he didn't actually crawl out through plane wreckage; I'll just let him know that he was part of the conspiracy.
Bizarro_Steve_Rogers ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:00:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey nice dude!
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 04:52:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hiredgun77 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:55:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truth always has a place.
Jason-Genova ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:37:43 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes
DragonBank ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:50:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explain how flying the plane into the pentagon somehow made up a trillion dollar difference.
Peil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The theory is that the Pentagon were running loads of clandestine missions, bankrolling rebel groups, paying people off everywhere. Nothing super secret like aliens, but if the powers that be found out, the Pentagon staff would be in deep shit. So they fired a missile into the part of the building holding the large amount of records relating to secret missions.
It doesn't add up at all, but that's the story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've read about it, it wasn't like poof, trillion dollars gone. It was a stretch of a shit ton of unaccounted money.
Jason-Genova ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 12:03:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't it took the eyes off the money and on to terrorism. Google 2.6 trillion missing and 9/11
[deleted] ยท -67 points ยท Posted at 04:03:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
would you say this to the face of the wives of the men who supposedly didn't try to get into the cock pit?
dezzear ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 04:34:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean probably not, cus I'm not a dick. But if someone asks me what conspiracy theory I subscribe to I'd definitely mention it
SemenDemon182 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:54:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you say it's best to read a posts title and understand it's context on Reddit, or not?
JacP123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:37:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's saying they didn't try to get in, but there's no way NORAD had of knowing what was going on in the cabin of that plane and whether or not passengers had risen up. Let alone whether or not they had successfully risen up. Even if it meant killing everyone on board they couldn't leave it with the chance that the passengers had regained control of the airplane. It only came out that the passengers had attacked the hijackers after the plane crashed.
In my mind, I believe that passengers on Flight 93 rose up against the hijackers. They may have even had been close to regaining control of the cockpit, however looking at the debris field and knowing what happens to a plane when it crashes, there's no doubt in my mind that plane was shot down. I'm not trying to discount the efforts of anyone on those planes cause they may have done what theyre reported to have done, but that plane was shot down.
Wiki_pedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:21:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, too much of a risk when three other planes had crashed into cities, to hope that passengers could overpower hijackers AND that someone on board would be skilled enough to land a commercial jet at a major airport.
pandabear6969 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure about technologies in planes back then, but it is actually pretty simple to land planes today. They even have practices on simulators to see if they can talk someone that has never flown, to land the aircraft. Usually successful
[deleted] ยท 746 points ยท Posted at 00:37:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TURNING THE FRIGGIN FROGS GAY!
MiiCCA ยท 257 points ยท Posted at 05:25:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The absolute funniest part of this is that while Alex Jones is fucking insane, this one time he was actually kinda right. Frogs aren't turning gay, but certain pesticides draining into water are messing up hormones within frogs feminizing them and making them unable to reproduce.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 07:23:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, chemicals in the water are making biologically male frogs have sex with other biologically male frogs. This is like the only thread on here with an actual 'conspiracy' that is totally true. The worst offender being 'weed cures cancer dude' .
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:25:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:35:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it couldn't, maybe they knew about it but they aren't using the chemicals to turn the frogs gay, its just a side effect.
AnimalFactsBot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:35:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The common pond frog is ready to breed when it is only three years old.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:37:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breed with other males I bet.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:24:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in my backyard.
testtubesnailman ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:10:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for linking that. He says enough batshit crazy stuff that isn't factual, but it pisses me off to no end when people cite the one time he was mostly accurate to make fun of him.
Deflargo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:40:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of what he says has truth to it, but he hyperbolizes everything
RCorvus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:28:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not what he said, it's the way he said it.
Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:01:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Xenoestrogens are the umbrella term given to the chemicals in questions. Things like phthalates from scented soaps or dryer sheets, cleaning chemicals, all sorts of things. They are small(ish) molecules that fit in the the estrogen receptor and feminize the froggies.
SimplyStranger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:42 on September 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtf
deathschemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the best lies have a grain of truth in the centre.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:39:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one meme by itself makes infowars worthwhile in my eyes. I don't even read it, I just link it now and then to piss off liberals, but the fact that he was right about the frogs of all things delights me to no end.
piobrando ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:05:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes.
Perrydev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:04 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoo boy. Another one of these losers
candylotus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:27:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, its estrogen.
Fartingboi6969 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:26:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They say they isn't, but they is.
josh18soccer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read this once, then realized who you're quoting, and went back and read it in his voice.
Roxanne1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's turning us into water people
Gigajude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SUPER MALE VITALITY
cuckgoblerz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U mean chem trails?
Mr_Grabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think you're joking, but Atrazine, a commonly used herbicide, might be demasculinizing frogs.
DarkNFullOfSpoilers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What ARE frogs?
ShutUpWalter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:23 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.
Mandrake, have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
obsterwankenobster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:23:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
black helicopters
[deleted] ยท 1190 points ยท Posted at 19:08:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much a conspiracy theory, more like a prediction of the future...
Anything I do or post on the internet might one day be used against me. Especially if I/you become a more prominent public figure or important person.
Someone, can and will, one day know too much about you.
Clarkmandi ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 22:50:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda like Peter Cvjetanovic, who is in the front and center of all these Charlottesville protest pictures. He is a well known student at my alma mater and is everywhere right now for being a white supremacist. I mean everywhere. The news, the internet, Facebook. There are multiple petitions going down right now to try and get him expelled. I give him a month or two before he had to change his name and move to a different state.
t0talnonsense ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 01:52:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a reason the Klan wore hoods.
bthebard ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 04:35:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*wears
NecroK51 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:35:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we can't see their sick facial hair.
XannyGT ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 00:15:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His own fault
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 02:19:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody wants to be Internet lynched but everyone wants to Internet lynch.
XannyGT ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 03:44:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying, you shouldn't go to a racist protest without expecting consequences for it
Smoldero ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:03:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost like it shouldn't even need to be said
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 02:09:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw poor ostracized fascist.
Clarkmandi ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:52:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right!!! The President of the University is getting slammed for asking students to treat him as a fellow student when he comes back to school and that we should try and look at it through his shoes.
HydrochloricTorpedo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:29:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's the right thing to do
Madplato ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:41:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that and "peacefull" ethnic cleansing obviously.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:43:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tolerance until it's for the guy you don't like, amirite?
Yes, the dude is a white supremacist. He's also still a person, another human who has just as much right to his views as you have to yours.
Attack his views, not the man himself.
trevorturtle ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 03:59:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about for the guy we don't like, tolerance is for people who are doing things that do not infringe on the rights of others. You do not tolerate someone trying to kill you. You do not tolerate someone who advocates killing other people.
"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil. The world will be destroyed by those who watch and do nothing."
Trumps__America ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 04:31:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He hasn't infringed on anyone's rights. He has the right to peacefully protest and he did. He didn't fight, hurt anyone or kill anyone. Maybe someone did that was "on the same side" as him but that doesn't make it him culpable.
I believe he's wrong, 100%. But plenty of people in college have stupid beliefs and ideals.
It's like someone who goes to a G8 protest in Seattle and then gets kicked out of school because Black Bloc showed up and started throwing rocks at the police. Just because you believe something similar to a radical doesn't mean you're responsible for the most reprehensible actions of the fringe.
pecklepuff ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:31:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if someone goes to a white supremacist rally, wouldn't you say that person is endorsing the views of white supremacy? The view that whites are superior to all others just for being white, and that other races deserve fewer rights and opportunities? I mean, you can't really go to a rally like that, wear a swastika armband, and give a Hell Hitler salute, and then say "actually, I don't support what the Nazis stand for".
trevorturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advocating infringing on rights is infringing on rights...
DomesticChaos ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 05:18:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's about time that the US adopt some European countries' example and outlaw Nazism. That'll put them in a place where their 'free speech' will land them in jail.
Party_Magician ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:50:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that worked so well to limit the power of neo-nazi groups in Europe?
trancez1lla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude that's the least American thing ever.
DomesticChaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazism is American?
Ok.
trancez1lla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A place where free speech will land them in jail."
Yeah. Pretty unamerican.
Madplato ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 04:07:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"C'mon guys, I'm human too...not like the blacks."
Yep, can't help but feel sorry for that poor thing.
SG-17 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one has the right to be a Nazi.
digoryk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:28:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outlawing a view makes it look powerful, the best thing you could do for the Nazis is to ban them
Anonymonynonymous ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:57:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right that's why Germany is so full of Nazis
PartyPoison98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazis were banned by Hitlers predecessor, that says it all really
Anonymonynonymous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it does
PartyPoison98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im saying the Nazis rose to power after being banned, showing it didn't hurt them and instead played into their narrative perfectly.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:59:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:00:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then I wish you good fortune in the wars to come, because that seems to be where this shitshow is heading.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you'd been to war you wouldn't be so keen to see it at home.
If Antifa keeps antagonizing the right and the nazis keep antagonizing the left then eventually someone will start shooting and a lot of people will die. I'd like to avoid that if possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A second Civil War would be Afghanistan/Iraq on steroids because not only will the government be fighting against insurgents, the insurgents look the same as them this time and are far better trained and armed. It will be an incredibly bloody conflict.
DomesticChaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is fanciful attempting to look through someone's shoes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:16:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Clarkmandi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was known in classes to side and defend Nazi/supremacist ideology. He was a political science/ history major. He has also gotten in trouble for being misogynistic in the dorms.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:01 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Clarkmandi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:12 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best advertisement for NSHE.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:39 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Clarkmandi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:09 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I always tell people about Nevada is that you come to Vegas for the city and Reno for the nature.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:06 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Clarkmandi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:36 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have a point. Vegas isn't for family vacations. I like this, healing the UNR/UNLV fued. This is what this nation needs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:40:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting we should take pity on an angry white supremacist because he got photographed?
Clarkmandi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What, no. Its just an example.
BasketballSport ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserves it.
ronaldraygun913 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 03:51:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserves it. There are certain opinions for which people need to be punished. If we can successfully make an example out of the Charlottesville Nazis I bet we can effectively squash these ideas from propagating through pure, unadulterated fear. Just like the Google dudebro misogynist: the wrong opinions and viewpoints can and will lose you your job. If we can catch them even earlier, in college, then expulsion can ruin not just their career, but their life.
It really is a bright future. Within 10 years, Trump will be nothing more than a bad memory and there will be no opportunity for others like him as we, as a society, crack down on bigotry, misogyny, racism, Islamophobia, and homophobia. Google and Facebook will be able to use algorithms to find these people and ensure that they never get a platform to spread hate. They're already testing it: Jordan Peterson was temporarily banned from YouTube and they only had to rescind it due to public outcry. Milo was successfully banned from Twitter, Lauren Southern from Patreon, and many others. Soon, though, they will be able to quietly do it to them and all the other hatemongerers on social media.
ThouArtMortal ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:05:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Annnd you lost me.
_Ryukiro_ ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:16:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should just take away opinions in general. Government will tell you whats good and not that sounds better
IceNeun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:40:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Punished doesn't necessarily mean punished by the government. It's not like medieval and tribal villages didn't have the tragedy of the commons or the free rider problem either, for example. Being shunned violates no rights and is (sometimes, when appropriately used) super effective at incentivizing societally responsible behavior. It is a totally voluntarist, non-aggresionist, and non-governmental punishment that humans have used since we've lived in trees and caves.
Nantonio55 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:06:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that he called Jordan Peterson a hate speech guy and the Google "dudebro misogynist" shows that such a position can't be taken seriously. They either didn't bother to look up stuff about all of this people or is not reading Peterson.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ThouArtMortal ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:51:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that the term 'hate speech' has been compromised to include anything unpopular, abrasive, or remotely offensive.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:02:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:56:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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weatherseed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate speech is hate speech, no matter who says it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:07 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the US, Hate Speech is not illegal.
Piratian ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:15:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds a lot like you're promoting fascism. You're literally saying people should not be allowed to talk if they don't agree with you. I know for a fact Milo Yannoupolis and Lauren Southern aren't going around spewing hate speech, they just happen to value free speech.
And have you even read the memo that James Demore put out? It was a 10 page well cited memo that he sent to his hire ups that said that hiring based on diversity rather then skill isn't the best idea, and cited multiple scientific papers that were backed up by multiple scientists after the fact, that said that there are fundamental differences between men and women as a cause for a gender gap, and possible ways to fix that. He wasn't a misogynistic dudebro, he was worried about the direction google was taking and gave some suggestions on how to fix that to take google into a less politicized path. I really doubt that in 10 years trump will just be a memory, because you literally are saying HALF of america deserves to be gagged and kicked out because they don't agree with you.
L4cer8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:32 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy are you wrong.
LettuceWouldntFit ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:07:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually studying to become a journalist, but my biggest dream is to be a TV Personality.
My twitter is extremely depressing and my Reddit is just straight up CRINGE. Not looking forward to maybe someday explaining this to employers.
Proctor_Gay_Semhouse ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:24:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Purge
Cypraea ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:45:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was told recently that police departments require the usernames and passwords of all the social media accounts of anyone who wants to be considered for employment, and "they will find out if you leave any out."
I have no idea if that's true (or legal), but between the erotic fanfiction (some of it cop-themed, oops) and the very outspoken political asshole I used to be in various obscure places, plus the minor issue that I can't fucking remember them all, I am most certainly not applying in that direction.
Princess_King ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:06:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a LEO, but I do work IT in a police station frequently. I've never had to divulge my social media accounts. Dunno if it's required of actual LEOs, though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love your username :)
Princess_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O thanks. /_^
Princess_King ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:39:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao reddit formatting.
AuroraHalsey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:13:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put the escape slash after the first chevron ^_^
Princess_King ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:48:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^_^
Edit: I did it! Thank you!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instructions unclear, opened stargate to black hole planet. Seennnddd heeeeelllllllpppppppppppppp
AuroraHalsey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use a directional nuclear blast (or other high energy emission) to force the gate to switch to a different address.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:52:38 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, that cleared it right up.
fukkinmike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See my response above.
Princess_King ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the clarification! I was only required to get my CJIS level 4 certification in order to do IT work, but then I'm on the help desk, not a system admin or anything. I'm not sure if it's required of them either.
fukkinmike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had 2 backgrounds, basic and high-level. Anybody given a gun or the ability to dispense meds was high-level, the credentials for CJIS, AJIS, CCHRS, etc are given after and you agree to different terms. For example, I could look through a lot of systems as a deputy, especially at backgrounds, but IT personnel who entered data only had creds for their specific systems-L.A. County has several of their own requiring only our training and approval. Entering data or working on one system isn't the same as being able to enter a name and dob and viewing criminal/witness/victim info across the board.
All applicants sign and notarize a waiver before their process, I also ask you for your accounts. If you refuse or lie, you just gave me ammo and somewhere to start. Many of the largest sites have relationships with us, and with a notarized waiver I could get anywhere really.
Princess_King ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did have background checks when I first applied. I'm a city employee, so that was expected. When they decided they'd like me to pull double duty over at PD occasionally, I had to have my fingerprints run for a second, more in-depth, background check. I suppose that's when they would have asked for social media accounts, but I never had to list usernames/passwords. I have no doubt they looked at accounts that used my real name, like Linked In. But every other account I have is not my real name, so not sure if they found them or not. Either way, I don't have anything noteworthy or negative in my online history. Credentials work the same way here. Our PD is on a totally different network than the rest of the city and requires completely different credentials with tighter access controls. I have dummy accounts to test software functions, but not a lot of access to anything else.
wow_that_guys_a_dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering how that policy didn't violate the ToS, but that explains it.
fukkinmike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope I was clear and that helps.
fukkinmike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:44:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am LEO and I used to work background/pre-employment investigations. I will answer questions you have based on my department, the 2nd largest in the country.
Basically the answer is yes we do require it, and you agree to it.
captainbluemuffins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...even ao3?
fukkinmike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:31 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm dumb and not sure what you are asking partner.
captainbluemuffins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha it's a fanfiction website a lot of people write/read quite raunchy things on. not something I'd want to share with anyone!!
fukkinmike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, serious answer is no, not those sites. The big three are what we're after, and by that I mean FB, IG and Tweeter........
The fun answer is sure! You better tell me who you wrote "Do you like me Y/N/Maybe" notes to in 3rd grade, because if you don't and you're lying I will contact every LE agency in the free world and I promise, PROMISE you as long as I wear a badge on a sunny day in this beautiful country you will only dream of one! DREAM! You think you are dreaming now!? Haha! You actually think you may walk out of this building and go put pencil to paper somewhere else, smile and say all the right things, work reeeeeeeeeeeeeeal hard and someday somebody will pin a pointless silver shield on your chest!!?? You ACTUALLY think that, don't you??!! The answer is no, no, no. Not tomorrow, not next month, not next year! Forget it you spineless, boneless, thoughtless worm! You lack integrity and the ingenuity to go anywhere I don't already have a parking space and a tab!! The most comfortable corner of heaven and the most wretched bowel of hell BOTH have an empty chair EVERYONE knows not to sit in because I might show up!!! If you dream of applying to any department in the land that I love you had better wake up, pour me a cup of coffee and apologize. Do you understand me or do I need to notarize a waiver for any offspring you may unfortunately spew forth in the event they try and apply in the distant future, only to ensure it lands back on my desk where I can ensure anybody you have ever touched continues paying for your half-hearted attempt at besting me??!!
But I would never say that!!!! And we would certainly never ask for obscure accounts that may embarrass you or my beloved department if they were to say, come to light in a courtroom in the heart of Hollywood where the only red face in the room is yours.
But seriously, just the big three and I just talk a big game. Tongue-fu, I call it. Did it work? Would you start spilling the beans? My fingers hurt.
captainbluemuffins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:47 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ahahaha you got a laugh from me
could you imagine though? can't wait until our presidents in 2400 get doxxed and we find out they were into some select things in their teenager years
fukkinmike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:17:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It IS going to happen, and far sooner than that. Wasn't a certain high profile politician recently overheard in the locker room talking to his buddy Billy about some woman (not his wife, btw, but that's neither here nor there) he wanted to, um, bang? Betcha in a thousand years he never thought he would have to answer for THAT after a routine TMZ episode!!!
Now that I think about it, what if somebody mistook my above long-winded half-hearted attempt at a comedic response as anything other than a joke between you and I? It would be me with the red face in that very same courtroom, fumbling through an explanation that would undoubtedly be spun in an attempt to make me look like a fear mongering power hungry nobody with a God complex. Imagine if that were to happen!! Now wait for it........somebody on reddit will see that long post, and only that long post, out of context, and call me a monster with a badge who needs Jesus or an unemployment check. God knows it's happened before, and we are seemingly doomed only to repeat it. It's ok, I expect it on reddit, but the truth is my job pays me, it doesn't define me.
All the best to you, you seem like cool peeps. Glad I could make you chuckle-that means my job here is done. Now to go oppress an entire county 8 hours at a time........
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:25:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I want to be a successful writer and have high aspiring job-ambitions, maybe even VD one day. I don't want all the teenage angst i spewed into the internet to be plastered all over the media some day :/
Motivation_Punk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:06:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im a young guy who's very politically inclined. I think I would enjoy a posistion in politics. I really feel like I could make a differnence in peoples' lives, help stamp out corruption and systemic bigotry.
However, I fucking love really, really kinky pornography.
pecklepuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People need to get over the whole porno-shame thing. Who cares?? Short of things like CP, rape fantasy, or other horrible criminal kinks, who the fuck cares if you like watching furries, grown men in diapers, or whatever. Just get over it and move on. Too many good people hold themselves back because of what others may think of them. I like fart porn. It's funny, and I love it. I don't care who knows it, everyone I work with knows it. They think it's hilarious. Really couldn't care less.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pecklepuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I meant actual rape. There are people who really think rape is fine and they want to do it. I think there's a subreddit or two dedicated to that.
pug_grama2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm old and near retirement so I don't care. Still, I don't post controversial stuff under my real name.
katwolfrina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:08:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your username makes me want to hug you.
pug_grama2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:38 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
{{{katwolfrina}}} hugs!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:44:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point.
I however, am young and worry a lot about my future, and how the online image will affect my job in the future. I hope it won't but fear it will.
YoMammaSoThin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:23:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've stopped myself from posting on ask subs where I wouldn't tell that to a girl I'm about to break up with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good philosophy.
I try to think that if I could tell all my family and friends what I post, then it's okay to post it. Otherwise, don't.
GiantJellyfishAttack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:31:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. If this ever becomes easily accessable. Everyone's screwed. Not just you.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:06:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GallMcOxsbig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you send it me I can delete it from existence completely.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:21:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've worried about this too, but there is one thing that will curb a lot of it and that's data retention. Companies don't store information forever. They have a data retention period, which is generally 3 to 24 months. Even the NSA spying has a finite data retention period of 12 months.
The exceptions would be financial transactions and online purchases, which companies might keep forever.
Data records may also be lost or disposed of as companies go out of business or are purchased and assets are sold off.
thegreatbrah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:51:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Member when the government built a billion terabyte data storage center in Utah? I member
djover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your theory is close to mine.
There are far too many people that willingly post in /r/AskReddit "what-are-your-biggest-secret" threads.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yepp. I try to post anything with the back-thought that anything I write or share online is stuff that I could say out loud and publicly to all and defend it. Don't share personal stuff online that you aren't prepared to share with all of your family and friends in real life.
Edit: Thought, not through.
Fallenangel152 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:35:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fully believe that the government wants full accountability. In the future everything you do online will be traceable to you. Every comment you've made, everything you've liked, everything you've bought.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit frightening tbh.
severed13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I'm horrified by this, because hopefully someday I'll actually make it into the singer/songwriter world and at some point someone's going to drag something I said out of context that I don't agree with now, or link my entire online profile to myself and piece together my life and use that against me somehow.
SippantheSwede ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have my own, more optimistic prediction: one day some event will just open the internet, making everything accessible to everyone, it will be called the Internet Apocalypse ("Apocalypse" literally means "revelation") and after some initial shock and dread it will bring about a widespread inner peace as everyone simultaneously realizes that everybody's shameful secrets are out there and nobody is in a position to judge anybody else anymore.
I don't believe in the technological singularity thing, but I do believe this Internet Apocalypse is something the transhumanism crowd can actually hope to achieve.
SipofCherryCola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't work out so well on South Park.
Don_Cheech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Boltzmann brain
deadmankw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What can you find out about me?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:44:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not trying to dox you or anything, this is all stuff I found out from checking your reddit-profile. I hope I'm not breaking any rules or anything (If I am, say so and I'll remove this right away), since this is all stuff you yourself have posted about, and you did ask for it...
You're a 25 year old American guy from Michigan, have at least one sister, one deceased brother (sorry for your loss), you work at a pharmacy, meddle with some pot, you like the superhero stuff and Game of Thrones (but who doesn't), also have a pretty big interest in politics, religion and flags.
deadmankw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprisingly close to accurate but if that's all you can get I'm happy with that
A_GOOD_US3RNAM3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Roko's Basilisk gonna read up on ya later
NebuchadnezzarJack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not when I move to my farm in Spain and stay off the grid
ShadowCory1101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I thought about that yesterday. I send some horrible stuff to my friends. I know that if I became important/famous it would find a way up.
iamtheman3006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing for you. Trump has made it irrelevant.
LawnShipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day?
They already knew. Some young lady on Tumblr got fired from her job because she drew some comics that were critical of the fringe hypersensitive sector of the American Left.
MrShekelstein17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You solve this by not giving a shit and rolling with the punches.
CoolbreezeFromSteam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stuff on the internet is a two edged sword. You can say anything on there, but as long as you don't publicly state it's your account, then you can disassociate yourself with it and say you don't own the account.
I mean, what the hell are the police gonna do if you confess to a murder of Reddit, they bring you to court and it's brought up, and you say "I don't have a reddit account". Dead silence and the judge just glances over at the prosecutor who is speechless.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're forgetting that these are things that can be checked and traced. They can prove that you do have a reddit account, the information-gathering bots and stuff can probably reccord pretty much anything you type, and you're computer IP (or whatever) is probably plastered all over your reddit account. It would be like saying that "I wasn't at the crime-scene" when there are witnesses and camera-fottage of you being there.
Everything on the internet can be traced and everything is being "recorded". Nothing will go away, and it can all be tied back to you.
fukkinmike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now you got the murder rap and perjury..........
_your_mom_666 ยท 1202 points ยท Posted at 02:00:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad swears he cured his cancer with weed. He made some kind of oil in the back yard and ate it for a few months and no cancer. No radiation. No chemo. He ate a ton of that stuff. He was high as hell. He calls it Rick Simpson oil.
He had hairy cell leukemia from agent orange that turned into lymphoma after about 15 years. I'm just glad I have my dad. I don't care how or why it worked.
[deleted] ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 03:52:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell him to give you the instructions just in case
jopnk ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:03:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The instructions are online and itโs pretty easy to buy, Rick Simpson oil is a brand name/famous marijuana product. Also it doesnโt get you high (cbd as opposed to thc).
Lrobluvsu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:42:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Simpson oil gets me high as fuck
_your_mom_666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:26:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Word!
jopnk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I have it confused with a different type of cbd oil but last time I remember seeing any it only had cbd which doesnโt get you high at all.
Lrobluvsu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get mine from a medical dispensary but you can get Simpson oil that is cbd based but there is only a small amount of growers who have cultivated cbd plants. And they are over in Washington I believe. The Simpson oil you produce yourself will yield a thc based oil. With Simpson oil a dose for medication for a new patient is the size of a grain of sand. You can understand then how easily it is to get high on accident. The size of a baby pea will lay me down for a few hours. Children who take the oil build a tolerance and dose themselves at 3 times the dose of a new client.
jopnk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know a good chunk of this, thanks for the info
Lrobluvsu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐๐ป๐๐ป
themuffinmann82 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:42:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really easy to do;you just get all your trimmings and any other leftover plant,you can extract it with ethanol it can take a few days,but you can do it with acetone which only takes about an hour
coral_tokerbell ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 03:34:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite
Smoldero ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 04:10:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. i'm picturing their dad wandering around, gardening in the backyard, high as fuck morning til night
_your_mom_666 ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 04:19:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is accurate lol.
Guyupnorth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:43:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I'm that. It me.
sioux612 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:41:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I had cancer that'd be what I'd want to do
Maybe it cures me, but even if it doesn't, at least I'm having a good time
despaxes ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 03:49:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cbd oil is a common alternate treatment
Political_moof ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 07:23:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chemo is brutal too. I get why people seek out alternatives.
I saw a fascinating study. They asked doctors what they prescribe to patients for a specific cancer. The vast majority prescribed chemo.
They then asked what they would take if they had the same cancer. The majority chose pain killers and hospice care.
Seriously.
Disclaimer: THIS IS NOT MEDICAL ADVICE, I READ ONE STUDY, I DONT KNOW SHIT, PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR DOCTOR
MalpracticeMatt ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:19:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a doctor I think this says more about how treating terminal patients for so long helps create a more realistic idea of your prognosis and quality of life. I've met a lot of families that refuse hospice care and will try every last thing to extend the family member's life at the expense of quality of life. In the end they spend their end of life nonverbal slowly dying in a hospital bed, often alone. Most physicians I know don't want to go out this way and have more realistic expectations for their prognosis which shapes their desires for their end of life management. In your example I could see it that a lot of doctors wouldn't want to try this horrible chemo when they know it'll only extend their life by a few months, but many patients without seeing this day in n day out are more likely to be naive and want to try every last option in hopes of a miraculous cure.
kitiikit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
charlesgegethor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:58:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was something I had watched/read/heard about this (it was a podcast or video, I can't remember. I believe it was a Radio Lab episode). Basically, doctors will do this A LOT, not just with cancer, but any disease with high mortality rate or low quality of life during or after surviving it.
They often forgo risky surgeries or medicines because they treat them and know what their patients go through and how often these treatments work out. It's not some big conspiracy where these things do actually work, it's just that they know if they get this disease with a high mortality rate, they'd rather forgo the treatment and have a comfortable death. So they don't want life support, or intense medicine or surgeries that will disable them later in life or what ever. They'd rather just take some painkillers and die comfortably because they know the odds.
Cancer is hard to treat because most cancers are different to one another. Some can affect a part of you that you can live without, others will spread out through your whole body at which point there's nothing you can do. We've gotten pretty good at beating cancer when we catch it early, but curing it when you don't is still a gamble.
DoctorAbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact is that the percentage of doctors who die of cancer is exactly the same as non-medically trained people who they treat. They don't know the answers.
Political_moof ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 07:50:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They went to medical school and continually study new research developments, which means their opinion has more validity than literally anyone who hasnt or doesn't.
dubov ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:05:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are both right
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 09:31:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theangryprune ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 09:45:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total b.s..
Cancer is cured every day.
Source: had brain cancer. Doctors cured me
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 09:53:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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voggeye ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:19:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs died from cancer, surely because he could not afford his treatment lol. If there would be more reliable and easier ways to cure cancer, don't you think """they""" would offer those to rich people as mentioned above?
mag1xs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:44:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs died of cancer because he chose alternate alternatives like eating better or some shit and didn't listen to his doctor.
voggeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically what the guy above me was advising
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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voggeye ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:48:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You basically said that "they" (as the modern medicine) are holding back something to make more profit. So you want cancer patients to try alternative ways to cure cancer, like Steve Jobs did. But in the end his unusal approach on curing his cancer did not work out as he died.
So why didn't the greedy modern medicine offer ultra rich people like Steve Jobs the magical cure to cancer to gain even more profit? I mean they could sell it to them for 50 % of their wealth although that would make us "normal" people suspicious.
In the end, nearly all alternative approaches to curing cancer with chemo get debunked. If the solution would be as simple as drinking a shit ton of "Rick Simpson oil" do you think "they" could hide it for several years?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:12:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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voggeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You implied it with this sentence.
It can not continue the immense growth as a whole, but you also miss some points.
shared_tango_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:31:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One good way to distinguish between a conspiracy theory that has atleast some foundation and one that does not is to ask yourself the question: "would the bad effects actually affect the conspirators/elite/higher-ups too?" If the answer to that is "yes", forget it. Example in your case: A lot of influencial people die of cancer (like Steve Jobs)
despaxes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:31:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except jobs died from a treatable cancer. He chose not to get treatment
ShadyKiller_ed ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:35:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't true in the slightest there are cures for all kinds of different cancers, go talk to an oncologist for once and they will tell you that.
My mom's boyfriend is chief of oncology at a very large hospital. One time someone mentioned how they wish there was a cure for cancer. His response was literally "we have cures for all kinds of cancers"
NurseMomTV ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't have cures. We beat it into remission... any doctor knows that.
ShadyKiller_ed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:26:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, remission and cured are two different things. The thing is there are cancers where the 5-year prognosis is virtually 100%. In those cases, is there a difference between remission and cured?
NurseMomTV ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's always remission, though some may say "cured." The way cancer works, there is no way to fully, completely cure it. Then again, I could just be splitting hairs as some cancers would go into remission forever while cancer cells still float freely in the body, but then... semantics.
I dont work in oncology, but have a number of cancer patients in palliation or remission and the word cured/curing doesn't come up. Treating and remission are our fluff words here on the West Coast of Canada.
ShadyKiller_ed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean when ever a doctor is talking to a patient here then they'll always say 'remission'. The story I was referring to was when he was talking to my ex's mom.
NurseMomTV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was definitely nit-picking :P
theartificialkid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course the word "cure" doesn't come up in patients who are being palliated or in those who are being treated and in remission. Cured patients aren't being treated any more.
A dancer is cured if it doesn't come back in the lifetime of the patient. Is that because all malignant cells have been eliminated? Is it because there are so few left and they are so well regulated by the immune system that they never again form detectable tumours? Who can say in any individual case? But nonetheless cancers are cured all the time. And also, still, incurable cancers occur all the time.
NurseMomTV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant to say patients who I am caring for for things other than the cancer that is in remission and not actively being treated :)
Once cancer is in remission, it's a race against what comes first, death from another source or recurrence of the cancer to see if it's cured rather than in remission. This is all essentially nit picking semantics on my part, though.
I suppose you could be cured for a certain period of time, but if the cancer recurs, was it still considered cured for that period of time or is it strictly remission? Are the words perhaps fluid in the context of cancer?
NurseMomTV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, guys... this is a doctor.
94358132568746582 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:44:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That only means that they don't treat themselves with some insider knowledge that gives them better odds, not that they don't know what they are doing. The percent of treated people is higher than non-treated/"alternative" treated. That is the important part.
It is funny how treatments like this are always supported by random anecdotal stories, but when quality double blind, placebo controlled studies are done, there is little or no effect. But it is Big Pharma, never mind that these studies are done all over the world, by completely different scientific teams, from completely different and varied funding sources; from independent charities to governments.
It couldn't possibly be that the basic biological properties of cancer lead to the difficulty in curing it. No, can't be that. It is all a conspiracy.
xyroclast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:08 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean it works.
despaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have no way to definitively tell since clinical trials are vastly prohibited. What little studies that have been done show it does.
Literally doing nothing but changing your diet and habits has a better success rate than chemo so I don't feel like the bar is really set very high for something to be said it works
sioux612 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:40:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is not the first person to claim that
Tommy Chong claims he cured his prostate cancer by smoking and eating shit loads of weed + weed oil suppositories
thrwawy4obvreasons ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:15:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else wish his dad's name was Rick Sanchez?
_your_mom_666 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:55:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it's Jerry lol.
thrwawy4obvreasons ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:51:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope this is true.
_your_mom_666 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:49:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally true. Swear to god I have a daughter named Summer too. Lol.
even_less_resistance ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:45:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did he invent the first perpetual motion engine for vehicles, too? JK tho that is crazy, but maybe the placebo effect is way better than we give it credit for or something
professorhazard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize that weird dads thinking they have created the perpetual motion engine was a meme, but I have definitely seen it in action before.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 04:15:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thatguy01001010 ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 04:21:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
edit: formatting. Also, totes pro-MJ and federal legalization. But if we don't represent the facts truthfully, it's just more fodder for the anti-weed people
OnlyRefutations ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:23:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing good work, friend.
Kingimg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:05:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i agree, It bothers me when people try to paint marijuana as a miracle drug that cures everything. im pro mj but nah it doesnt CURE cancer. It may help in some way, it gives you an appetite and it may soothe pain
Autarch_Kade ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 05:55:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A large fire or vat of bleach is also capable of destroying cancer cells in the body.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 08:02:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Along with the rest of it. Just like any addictive drug.
Kingimg ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:06:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
think before you speak next time
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 12:28:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should advise yourself pothead.
Kingimg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i actually stopped smoking 3 years ago because i felt like it
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:41:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh so you are just retarded.
Kingimg ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol no im just not ridiculously naive
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naive is not a word I'd use to desribe not even you.
Kingimg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol cool.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:19:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:56:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is wrong, there are no trustworthy sources. It has been disproved numerous times.
even_less_resistance ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:24:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was totally kidding and thought that would be clear from my comment
_your_mom_666 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know there were any actual studies. I thought everything was anecdotal. Bitchen!
St0nedScout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RSO is a 50/50 between thc and cbd.
throwawaywahwahwah ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:17:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rick Simpson Oil (RSO) really is the stuff of miracles. I'm glad your dad is doing well!
surfingbro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:58:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an uncle that did the same thing, he had testicular cancer and started taking oil too. Few months went by and same thing, it cured him. I firmly believe that stuff is illegal because it's the cure to cancer.
TheBames ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:50:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm sure this is going to be buried but I am 99% sure I cured my cancer with Marijuana. I was diagnosed with langerhans cell histiocytosis (LCH) 2 years ago with a tumor in my shoulder blade (in the bone ). I had surgery to drill my bone out and a biopsy taken. After the biopsy my doctor just wanted to wait a little bit to see if it grew or stayed the same. (Everyone has different symptoms and no one case is the same) I smoked weed every day all day since I was out of work due to the surgery. 3 months later my mri showed that it actually shrunk much to the surprise of my doctors and my blood tests showed no sign that I was even sick anymore. Everytime I went back it kept getting smaller and smaller and now it's like it never happened. For real, smoke weed everyday, it saves lives.
ShadyKiller_ed ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:38:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is purely anecdotal, you may have gotten lucky and your cancer may have just gone into remission. Odds are it's just a coincidence.
TheBames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've done extensive research on my disease and it never goes away. I will have it forever no matter if I am in remission or not. I like to think that it's because I smoked bud and not because it just decided to stop. It was never removed and I was never given any treatment that would have done this.
ShadyKiller_ed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:29:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I mean the problem is you are one case out of the thousands of people. There's a possibility that it helped you, but you never know. It would have to be studied before people should accept the results.
TheBames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, and I wish it were legal so that we could do these studies, I would sign up in a heartbeat.
ShadyKiller_ed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No argument here. I have nothing against weed or weed smokers. I just don't believe there is enough evidence to support it yet. If someone wants to smoke weed while going along with what their doctor thinks is best, I'm all for it. However, even if weed did help you it may not help someone else.
BeautyAndGlamour ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:36:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats on beating it, but why do you attribute the cancer death to the weed? Like you said yourself "everyone has different symptoms and no one case is the same", so isn't it more likely that it simply died on its own after the biopsy?
Sure, it could've been the weed, but that someone can be 99 % certain of something with so little evidence is scary.
TheBames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only because that's the only thing I used to medicate myself. All the doctors were shocked because they usually don't do that
BeautyAndGlamour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:16:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was the rest from work that did it?
pecklepuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes me wonder, since stress is a known underlying factor to many illnesses, does smoking weed have an effect on reducing illness due to it's "mellowing" effect on a person. Stress causes higher cortisol levels in the body, which can lead to lots of problems. If the stress is reduced (via smoking), does that reduce the cortisol and other stress-induced harmful hormones?
Makemewantitbad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already ahead of you, bro.
theartificialkid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How sure you are that you cured your cancer with marijuana is a question that can be answered with statistics, and with only one data point the answer is very unlikely to be 99%. There is a lot of science out there about the role of marijuana in cancer (though probably more to do with symptom relief than cure). You could get on google scholar and have a look at it and get an answer to the question of whether or not marijuana might have cured your cancer.
Sulfate ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you received medical treatment and got better, yet attribute it to the weed?
... Okay.
Oh good lord. Seek medical treatment for medical problems like a grownup, people.
PM_ME_UR_RGB_RIG ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:50:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure a biopsy counts as medical treatment and by drilling the bone out he means to get the sample of bone they wanted to see what was going on in there I think.
I would say seek medical advice for your issues as well, but if you don't want chemo and want to try something else, feel free to try whatever you want. Also smoke weed everyday because I enjoy doing so, not because I think it'll save my life.
Sulfate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but you said
kk
That's a good way to end up dead when you don't need to.
PM_ME_UR_RGB_RIG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I didn't.
Sulfate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I gotcha. I assumed I was having a conversation with one goofy bastard when there were two.
My bad.
PM_ME_UR_RGB_RIG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm goofy for saying do what you want?
I know people who have gone through chemo, I have seen them suffer. But they've definitely come out on the better side from my experience - they're still here, and happy. I'd choose chemo, I'd also smoke much more CBD.
If you don't want to suffer, choose the potential placebo, why not? It's your own life. That doesn't make someone goofy, and neither does my opinion.
Sulfate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:49 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not try shaking totems at the sky, invoking the moon god to come cure your cancer? I've known people that have chosen no treatment, but treatment with no basis in reality? It absolutely makes someone goofy.
If you're going to use pot for the very limited benefits it can provide, then rock out. If you, like the guy I thought you were, are under the impression that it "saves lives," then you're goofy in that sense too.
Swiftfire1002 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:20:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this, glad you are all together!
izzitme101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Used to be able to buy weed oil in the uk, Suddenly its regulated and can only be gotten on nhs.
Legend017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you have your dad too, bro.
Khrull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus...give it to my Dad...he's got a year left to live from being around Agent Orange with liver/stomach/bone cancer
_your_mom_666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry to hear this. We lost my little brother to leukemia at 16 and my dad had colon cancer treated earlier. It's such a piece of shit chemical.
I'm gonna think good thoughts for you and your dad all day ๐
pingasthrowaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some cannabinoids have been proven slow the growth of cancer and/or kill cancer cells altogether. I've never heard of anyone beating cancer with nothing but CBD oil but I suppose it's theoretically possible.
_your_mom_666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just cbd. It's made out of buds.
HomerrJFong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He told you that to hide the insane medical bills he has to pay off the rest of his life.
_your_mom_666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No medical bills. VA disabled. 200%. The govt admits agent orange caused his specific type of leukemia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to get us a recipe, you know for science
DiabloConQueso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, just fucking Google "Rick Simpson oil recipe."
11ForeverAlone11 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 03:59:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's cured a lot of people of various ailments, more people should give it a try
Dawsonpc14 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 05:32:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All anecdotal evidence. I support the use of weed for medical use as a pain killer, appetite inducer, and seizures, but don't act like it's some magical plant that cures cancer and other major diseases. That's just a bunch of holistic bullshit that has zero sound evidence to back it up.
HooptyDooDooMeister ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. A whole lot of confirmation bias goin on here. Can we get a control group for this? How many people have died using the stuff vs those that have been "cured" by it?
frogjg2003 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 06:05:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1/4 of all patients who took alternative medicine for cancer could have lived if they had just taken conventional medicine
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:33:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my friends mum was like that.
when she was diagnosed with breast cancer she didnt do ANY conventional medicine, despite her family pleading with her.
nope. instead she went to some woman who walked her through a door frame covered in magnets and fed her a bunch of vegetables and convinced her she was free of cancer. she died from the cancer spreading within a year of diagnosis.
she probably would have lived if she just got her tit lopped off and did the chemo.
TankGirlwrx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In early high school I babysat for a family in which the mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. She didn't do the conventional treatment at first, and unfortunately turned to chemo much too late. She lived for quite awhile, but eventually succumbed to the disease. Very sad for her family.
HooptyDooDooMeister ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:10:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird thinking of Steve Jobs as just a single number in that statistic.
Mantonization ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:48:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess PC beats Mac after all
all_the_sex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:17:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although I agree with your main point here, I don't like it when people disparage "holistic" just because some quacks misuse the term. Holistic just means considering every part of the whole. A holistic approach to cancer treatment doesn't mean forgoing a medical regimen, it means paying attention to diet, exercise, etc. as well as using medicine - a holistic approach wouldn't REPLACE chemo with marijuana, it would ADD marijuana. A holistic approach to depression would include physical exercise, therapy, medication, dietary changes, and possibly other things like couples counseling or career changes, if those would help.
Dawsonpc14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good info. What is a better term to use then that people would understand to mean the quack version of hollistic? I feel like you gave the exact definition of it, but in general terms most people equate hollistic in context I was using it.
all_the_sex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think your point is pretty well conveyed with just "bullshit" but you could call it new-age bullshit or snake-oil bullshit or alternative medicine bullshit if you want to have similar connotations.
CND_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:38 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The words you were looking for was "homeopathy" or "alternative medicine"
Dawsonpc14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:26 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10-4
scarecronereddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's illegal to academically research and you need non government research done to get legitimate answers and that's never going to happen. Lack of evidence doesn't make it not true as much as visa versa.
Dawsonpc14 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:12:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of places outside the US that do not have the same restrictions on marijuana medical research.
scarecronereddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want detailed academic publications ranging from philosophy to chemical structure I would like to see a lot more things like FTIR etc being used and published which you would see in European American and British academic work a lot over the last decade but very little accessible publicly.
hicow ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:35:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not strictly illegal, but you have to use government-grown weed for research. And government grown weed is the sort that, if you sent your buddy out to pick you up a quarter and that's what he brought back, you'd beat his ass for either being rock-fuck stupid or ripping you off.
That is to say, there aren't studies being done with the weed people actually smoke/eat/whatever. Studies are done with brown crap that's 5% THC, when the medical/recreational markets produce weed with THC ranging from 10% to 30% for flower, up to 65%+ for concentrates.
Kingimg ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god your a shitty friend
sporket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:14 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who pooped in your cheerios?
Dawsonpc14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:01 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Science
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought people nowadays were getting a lot more scientifically aware, I guess not, people just believe the front page of whatever's on social media or Reddit without thinking twice.
11ForeverAlone11 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 05:53:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so you're saying all the anecdotal evidence of people claiming to be cured is all bullshit, they're all just lying? so these people either faked having a horrible disease with family and everything and never had it or they did and somehow sneaked the actual cure while their family didn't know?
TheRealTravisClous ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:05:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's saying there needs to be more testing done on if it really is a magical plant. Just because I can eat junk food all day and manage to stay slim with a what I would consider fit body does not mean my diet is healthy. Just like, smoking weed curing cancer for one person will not mean it will do it for every person who has cancer.
frogjg2003 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:06:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how evidence works. Some people just get better without any treatment. You never hear from the people who died while taking alternative medical treatments because they're fucking dead!
Dawsonpc14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying their lying. I beleieve they think marijuana cured them. However, I doubt the validity that it cured them. We need more research into the medicinal qualities of marijuana which would require the US government to pull their heads out of their asses. There are things we already know it helps, and those results are pretty amazing. However, anyone claiming it is some sort of magical healing plant that cures a wide assortment of ailments is peddling snake oil. There is no proof. I'm not doubting that it could help with other health issues we don't know about yet, but let's not push something without documented trials and results. People could turn to it instead of sound medicine/doctor supervision and end up dead because of it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:00:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There actually has been plenty of research. And while it sure has positive impacts as a pain reliever it has NO positive impact as treatment for cancer.
11ForeverAlone11 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:41:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well it's definitely worth trying for people who are not getting the needed results with conventional treatments, which often times do not heal or help the patient either.
Dawsonpc14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree that trying it after all your options have been exhausted won't hurt. Might as well.
rekcilthis1 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 05:57:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think something that is forgotten is that THC is a psychedelic, and the one common theme about psychedelics is that pretty much no one actually knows how they work. We know a little, but they are simply too complicated to understand yet. It is quite possible that such a large and unpredictable molecule has some weird effects. However, there also isn't anything saying it didn't originally come from the moon so you should take that with a grain of salt.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may have been coincidence, or actually worked for him; but thinking weed will cure cancer as good as chemotherapy, or even at all for most people, is absolute bullshit pseudoscience. There was this guy on Reddit who had cancer, but denied treatment due to feeling depressed and tried out weed/alternative treatments, wouldn't be surprised if he's dead now.
Sulfate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of people believe in magic until it's too late.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what you mean, "magic" as in weed? Because that's basically what I'm saying
Sulfate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Believing that weed can cure cancer is the same thing as believing that fruit can. Most "alternative treatments" are identical to believing in the curative properties of magic. Even the most hardened believers come around eventually, but it's often too late for medicine to do much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While i am glad that your father is ok now it was proven numerous times that weed has no positive impact as cancer treatment. At all!
BC1224 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not entirely true. THC does work as a tumor suppressor, studies show. This is just one article I found
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We live in a time were there is a study supporting whatever you want.
Other studies show the oposite. And, as i was explained by several experts, THC has no postive impacts whatsoever.
Zenmaster7 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 11:55:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cannabis as a cure for cancer, and a vast number of other ailments, shouldn't be a conspiracy theory. Fuck Big Pharma for not waiting to put out cures because cures don't create repeat customers. Fuck the profit incentive for keeping a harmless plant that could benefit millions illegal due to a long history of racism, sexism, and general ignorance.
ShadyKiller_ed ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:52:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cannibis is not a cure for cancer and this advice (as of right now) is just wrong, pseudoscience, and possibly deadly. Studies have found it is safe in treating cancer, but it does not help control or cure the disease.
Cancer is a blanket word for a whole lot of diseases. There are over 100 types of cancer. Everyone of them have slightly different treatments depending on the cancer and the person. You cannot seriously say that cannibis is the key to everyone of them for every person.
Marijuana can be helpful to cancer patients as it helps with pain and nausea that is true. Some scientists found THC and CBD slow growth/kill certain cancer cells in lab dishes.
People are not lab dishes. While promising and hopeful for the future, the idea that there is this big pharma conspiracy where they don't actually cure people is just plain wrong. Pharma has a lot of problems, but making medicine that help people isn't one of them.
Zenmaster7 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 13:22:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LeCucumber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:34:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He convinced himself to beat cancer!?
Yea I get placebo effect and totally think itโs effective. But I donโt think you can convince yourself youโve cured cancer!
CoolbreezeFromSteam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, it's either the placebo effect or Weed and backyard plant oils ARE REALLY the cure to cancer. You pick which one sounds more plausible.
LeCucumber ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:46:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, gotcha. Yea Iโm going to have to go with weed and backyard plant oils on this one.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's something about how the THC fits in with the cancer cells, I don't totally remember but I did a report on it a few months ago.
Syriom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
h3h3 was right, who knew.
Eterrossy ยท 5426 points ยท Posted at 17:48:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's campaign started off as a joke but as he gained popularity he realised he could actuallyโ win.
steeldraco ยท 3035 points ยท Posted at 18:58:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a joke as much as a way to get attention. He's been running in every election for a while, he just never made any progress.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 1058 points ยท Posted at 20:27:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
basically a voter-funded book tour. he always had a new book to sell when election season would get going.
hewhoreddits6 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 01:42:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other candidates like Mike Huckabee have done it in the past, but it is odd that Trump has made it so far compared to the others.
[deleted] ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 02:25:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:35:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pied Piper Memo
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:06:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Pied Piper strategy. Which proves Trump was elected because the election was hacked by Hillary Clinton. I am not kidding.
011000110111001001 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:15:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
#HillaryDid2016
2gig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:37:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there hard evidence that this memo was actually from the DNC? I could've thrown this together in 20 minutes, not that I expect a memo to have high production values.
bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:57:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is one of the emails that was confirmed legitimate by DKIM records.
Don't go full Donna Brazile and make yourself look silly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That has typos in it, how can it be real?
Wait this was a email to the DNC not from them, this was another group's suggestion for a plan of attack. On top of that this is among the group of emails leaked where it is believed some have been doctored.
Cant_stop-Wont_stop ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 10:57:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's honestly astonishing how badly the left has completely fucked up. Well, no, that part isn't astonishing, what's astonishing is how they refuse to learn anything from it, refuse to change anything, and are just doubling-down on it.
Take the Neo Nazis for example. Pretty awful people but in most contexts, they're irrelevant. Same with the KKK. The KKK hasn't been a serious threat for like forty years.
So when you look into the things these people say to justify themselves, they believe white people are becoming powerless victims, they feel marginalized and ignored, and they feel that a huge chunk of the country literally doesn't care about them because they're white. Black people are allowed to have a black identity, Asians are allowed to have an Asian identity, but white people aren't allowed to have a white identity. A ton of these people are blue-collar workers without college degrees, and all they see is more than half the country derisively calls their homes "flyover states" implying they are irrelevant while pretending transgender issues are literally the most important issue in the country. Oh except recently. Now the most important issue is that there's a statue in a state that they don't live in that bothers them.
So the left's response is to try harder to marginalize them, and all it's going to do is convince more people to become Nazis. I mean, it doesn't help that they've literally been calling everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders a Nazi since 2010.
SqueakyPoP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The left relies entirely on an "us vs them" mentality. Agree with us or you're a misogynistic, racist, transphobic nazi. This works when there's more "us" than "them". However in the election, they completely lost the plot by forcing every white, straight person into the "them" group, with the 'all white people are racist' etc...
So now the "them" has more voters and therefore wins the election. And yep they won't learn because their ideology doesn't allow them to admit they are wrong, its just everyone else's internalized misogyny/racism.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:22:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:55:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at H. W. Bush.
He wasn't part of the CIA when Kennedy was killed (yeah right.)
His father was part of the Business Plot... a planned military coup against FDR in 1933.
Roughly 30 years later, this dude's oil rigs are used by the CIA as staging points for the Bay of Pigs invasion... conveniently named Operation Zapata. What was H. W. Bush's oil company again? Oh that's right, Zapata Oil. A November 29, 1963, memorandum from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to the Director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the Department of State refers to the fact that information on the assassination of President Kennedy was "orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency."
The CIA claims that was a different George Bush... however, research has been done that implies the only Bush at the time on payroll was a janitor at Langley. I think with the Zapata connection it's quite clear who it was.
A few years later, he's named Director of the CIA. He runs for President against Reagan and is forced on Reagan at the convention to avoid a party fracture.
The day Reagan is shot... where is Neil Bush? Oh, getting ready for dinner with the shooter's brother (Yes, that is Associated Press, not some fringe blog)
Watch the Reagan shooting... why is the Secret Service not in a diamond formation around him? They leave him completely exposed to the crowd in front of him (contrary to their training before and after.) Reagan is so untrusting of the Secret Service that he orders Navy MPs from the docked Aircraft Carrier to replace his Secret Service detail while in the hospital.
Following the shooting, much of Reagan's agenda has sudden shifts... the Iran Contra things go down, etc. The folks surrounding Bush are elevated in the administration and proceed to have massive roles in government for the next 30 years.
Now, if it was known in 1973, Obama's father helped plot a military coup against Jimmy Carter, do you think he would have gotten a single vote to be a senator much less as President... yet here we have witnessed one family spend close to 100 years steering the secret and public face of the US Government and had Jeb not been such a horrible slob (Please Clap...) potentially another 8 years of control to that one family.
It sounds crazy - unless you realize that the puppet masters aren't who you're voting for.
alex3omg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:42:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So..... Where does 9/11 come in?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:55:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't "come in" because it never left. neverforget/s
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:42:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bushes son dining with the shooters brother? Well I bet kevin bacon was in there somewhere too, maybe the shooter's cousin's dog's hairdresser?
bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:56:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you're claiming it wasn't reported or was not accurate
Ok, I'll play your game.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:32:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I admit it was true, just that the coincidence isn't really an unlikely thing. I was referencing Bacon numbers, really you are going for 3 levels of relation between them is ridiculous. Do you know how many important or influential people are within 3 levels of relation to you?
NakedAndBehindYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because the best way a billionaire real estate developer makes money is by selling books...
buttery_shame_cave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh, the book tours aren't about making money, they're about doing the one thing he's really good at - marketing the trump brand.
also, the lowest-effort way to make a million bucks is to come up with a system for making a million bucks, and selling it to suckers.
virginia_hamilton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greatest marketing campaign of all time.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
certainly the most effective.
Judaspriestess666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was so strange he brought up "Art of the Deal" during the election (Republican debate?). I mean, that book is 30 years old and I had never heard of it. But mentioning it brought so much exposure (and sales, I'm sure).
toxicbrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surpring since he doesn't read anything
Picnicpanther ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:01:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh....
...I didn't know he could read.
ProbabilisticWorld ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:48:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's the best reader. There's never been anyone who reads better. Trust me!
Truan ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:23:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
exactly. This was the year that 4chan/pol/ was popular enough to get the train moving. They had tried it in 2012 as well.
DragoonDM ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:12:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention the additional help he received from, ah, other sources.
PC_BUCKY ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 23:17:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now now don't be Russian to conclusions here.
Greedwell ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:24:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russian to collusions would have been slightly better, but whatever.
PC_BUCKY ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:30:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...FUCK
SadGhoster87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F
chrisp909 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew someone would be Putin something like this in here.
Piratian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:23:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Stop that shit. Russia did not hack our elections.
Political_moof ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:40:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia didn't "hack" the election, of course. No one claims they hacked voting machines.
What we do have a lot of credible evidence of is that they hacked the RNC and DNC servers.
And only one was released as a dump to wikileaks...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real question is if they doctored the emails though. if they didn't they honestly did everyone a service. Of course either way if Trump knew about or colluded with the Russians to get that done we are going to have a gayshocker for a president.
Political_moof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know what the RNC had in their servers though. The fact that we didn't know what they knew or were up to means that we don't know for sure if they did us a "service" or not.
It'd be like two people running for mayor, and then its revealed by an oustide force one is an alcoholic. I mean shit, we wanna know that right? But what if they knew, and selectively shielded from us, that the other candidate is an unrepentant pedophile and criminal mastermind. And so the alcoholic loses but the pedophile king pin wins.
DragoonDM ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The entire intelligence community of our country disagrees with you. Many within the Republican party itself disagree with you, though most still insist that Trump's campaign had nothing to do with it. No evidence so far has contradicted that, and mounting evidence has confirmed it. Mueller's investigation marches forward without any pomp or fanfare because he actually has the respect and loyalty of the people he's brought on board, and so we're not barraged with a constant stream of leaks about the investigation.
If you used the word "hack" specifically to deny that Russia had actually modified votes, that's another matter. There are indications that they at least attempted to access voting systems (per a leaked NSA document outlining the GRU's attempts to breach the networks of various companies and organizations dealing with election hardware, software, and administration), though there's no indication of how successful they were or what they may have done with any information they might have gained.
If you're saying that these claims are part of a Deep State conspiracy to discredit Donald Trump, then there's literally nothing I can say to convince you.
bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:58:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, no. The AP, Reuters, etc. all back pedaled on that and issued retractions about the 17 agencies thing... at 4:59PM on the Friday before the July 4th holiday weekend. I'm not surprised you didn't see it.
DragoonDM ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm well aware of that retraction. Only 4 agencies officially signed off on the assessment: The FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the ODNI. This is relevant because those are the primary agencies that would actually be involved in investigating and evaluating the sort of thing we're discussing. The other 13 agencies did not comment, but neither did they say anything to contradict that assessment. Most of them wouldn't have any reason to be involved in assessing that sort of threat because they deal with internal intelligence, or with other unrelated areas.
(For the curious, because I had to look it up to remind myself what other intelligence agencies we have, the remaining 13 are: Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, and Navy Intelligence)
tydalt ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:49:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Cool! Can I see the proof you have of that? I'm sure you would be pretty famous if you happened to have it on ya and ponied it up for us wondering...
amatorfati ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:50:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burden of proof doesn't work that way.
tydalt ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:51:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're not in a courtroom.... put up or shut up as they say...
Piratian ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:20:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, show the fucking proof that Russia hacked the election, or shut the fuck up already. They have literally found nothing and they've been going over everything with a fine toothed comb for 9 months already. If they had found ANYTHING it would be front page news instead of anonymous sources for days.
tydalt ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:28:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't make any claims so I have no obligation to provide anything...
I just asked for whatever proof ya had to your claim.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tydalt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF are you talking about? I didn't set any goalposts and certainly am not planning on moving any (I have a bad back anyway...)
But, whatever... peruse one of these see what you find.
Not gonna argue with ya'll. You win... have a spiffy day.
DragoonDM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:07:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I had a whole post written out in response to that guy only to find that the comment had been deleted when I tried to post it. They seem to have posted the same article elsewhere though, so I went ahead and replied over there. For general information:
The original article that was posted: http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/
My reply:
I like that author's body of work: http://russia-insider.com/en/users/danielle-ryan (Most of her articles on Salon are equally kind to Putin)
As for the original report it references, it relies almost entirely on the claim that it's ridiculous to believe that an organization like the DNC could have a connection fast enough to upload the stolen data as quickly as they appear to have. Based on the size of the leaked data, and the "Last Modified" metadata, they concluded that 1,976 MegaBytes of data were transferred in 87 seconds. That's an upload speed of around 22.7 MB/s (or 181.7 Mb/s, lowercase b).
They conclude that this means that the data can't have been stolen remotely, but was copied onto a USB flash drive instead, indicating that it was leaked by someone who worked at the DNC.
Accepting this conclusion requires that you assume:
There. Goalposts firmly unmoved. Their assessment is ridiculous.
Balony1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:12:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did they hack the elections? Please do tell.
Pompsy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:48:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The argument (from my understanding) isn't that Russia hacked the physical voting booths, but instead exerted undue influence with the hacking of DNC computers and the spread of viral propaganda on the internet.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly feel bad for people that believe this shit
Political_moof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:41:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He...he literally just told you. The DNC, the Democratic National Committee. Their servers.
Was this irl zoolander?
"They hacked the DNC servers Derek."
"Yes, but hacked who?"
"Are you serious? I just told you."
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OKAY
What did they do in this hack? How did they swing the US election? Do we know this hack is from Russia? Its very difficult to actually source where an attack came from.
Are people who don't understand cyber-security constantly talking about the situation with confidence on national television? I can answer this one. YES.
Political_moof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude I'm not going to walk you through something that has been reported on endlessly for almost a year.
Pay attention.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:25 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting to the point, these little details seldom help the big picture story. The whole "Russia Hacked US Elections" narrative is becoming more obscure the deeper one dives into the story. A whole team carefully crafted this plot so you would watch this every-night. Nevermind the fact that this info is almost completely useless to you once you're done analyzing it.
Political_moof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
16 prosecutors, 2 resignations, a firing, a recusal, a meeting about "damaging info about hillary clinton", the CIA NSA and FBI agreeing the DNC was hacked by Russia, firing Jim Comey, 2 grand juries, financial records subpoenaed, lies on security clearance forms, consistent ties to Russian oligarchs gangsters and Kremlin associates, an NY state RICO investigation, and congressional subpoenas left and right.
It's all just fabricated by the media because you say so. You've convinced me.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its played up for sure, and if you don't see that you need help son.
Hint: all political campaigns try to do this. Isn't it a service to the people that this got out?
Political_moof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:01 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read my above post again. They're all objective facts. If your response is the one you just gave, well, don't be surprised when no one is persuaded by a total non-rebuttal.
You are delusional at worst, and woefully uniformed at best, my son.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:09 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well lets see another fact He hasn't been taken to trial because there is nothing to prove him guilty of any wrongdoing. So all this is just words with no action behind them, literally the equal of highschool gossip. This is like TMZ. After more than 8 months added up to, nothing. Nothing will come of this it is a complete waste of time.That's all you need to know, boy.
Political_moof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, oh my god. Do you have any idea how criminal investigations work? Let me guess. No.
Here's a hint: they are completed and the person is cleared or he goes to trial.
Has he been cleared by Mueller? No? Or is Mueller continuing to issue subpoenas and grand juries.
Hmm....
Must be nothing there! Lmao.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:03 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you thing Mueller is going to pull more info out his ass? Why do you think he's holding it? He is going to wait for more info because there isn't any solid evidence.
Political_moof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dipshit, do you know how prosecutors operate? Or attorneys in general?
We don't know what Mueller has because he's not a fucking retard. You don't leak criminal evidence to the public in advance of a trial.
You're legit stupid as fuck. I'm sorry, but that's what I've gathered from these exchanges.
What did you go to college for? Did you even?
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there was something good it would have leaked a long time ago dipfagshitstupidass ;)
The real reason this narrative is even working is because people simply cannot accept the fact that Trump won the election, that's it. This serves as a mental escape for people.
Computer Science, don't see how that's relevant tho.
Political_moof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:23 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, that's not how competent federal prosecutors work. A leak of their investigation from the inside would be malpractice and criminal. The leaks we have came from other sources or when they filed legal documents (which are public record).
You will know everything they have when the investigation is concluded, and not sooner. The favt that it continues after a year is not evidence that nothing is there, only someone with absolutely no knowledge of how prosecutorial investigations work would think that.
BTW, your education is not relevant. Thanks for recognizing that.
I'm an attorney though, so I actually understand how the fuck this works.
How about I never presume to understand how the fuck the thing I'm typing on works, and you stop pulling dipshit nonsense regarding criminal investigational procedure out of your ass. Deal?
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:06 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive been told to be wary of lawyers so I'm not signing anything. Time will tell anyway.
Political_moof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be wary of the ones you don't pay for.
DragoonDM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've responded to this in more detail elsewhere in the comment thread: link.
To add, I never said they hacked the election. The specific allegations are that they employed considerable propaganda efforts to damage Clinton's campaign and bolster Trump's, which did include hacking, but as a means of gathering information rather than directly manipulating votes (so far as we know).
Balony1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, im not wasting another minute on this bs. Just news companies making more money than ever.
DragoonDM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:08:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was not aware the the FBI, CIA, NSA, and ODNI were news companies, but okay. Good luck.
Political_moof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:44:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's honestly not even worth it man. Anyone who completely discounts the entire field of journalism probably isn'y worth engaging with.
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:08 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never said that, historically journalism has done a lot of good for us. Now evidently it is commercialized and polarized bs. Its blatantly evident that these people have ties to certain parties. Its less like the news every year and more like ESPN. Honestly I don't even judge them, its in a companies best interest to do what makes the most money. I just feel bad for the fools who watch and think they are getting the facts.
Political_moof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read more history.
Journalist aren't perfect. Absolutely they have agendas, both political and monetary.
But to discount the field is silly. You didn't say it but you've implied it in both posts.
Honestly man, I hope you guys wake up from this and realize the "fake news" shit is literally 100% political and meant to dupe you into buying the admin line above all else.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it has helped expose plenty of shady practices, what are you on about? Yeah there have been scandals but that is nothing compared to today where a megacorp is saying "We need constant stories on this, don't stop we need this covered from this angle because its paying the most" its a literal gold rush for all media companies to go after these types of stories. Every small thing is now breaking news. It brings to light that we need something to keep media companies accountable, accountable to the facts, and accountable to the narrative that they are spreading. If someone is making news in order to make a buck as their bottom line and not find the truth then it is an inherently flawed system. Its only now that we have this guy up there in the limelight that we see the problem, some people still don't which I find amazing.
Political_moof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever heard of a thing called "Watergate"?
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:27 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Political_moof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:12 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the press got the most powerful man in the world impeached due to their journalism of a scandal involving impropriaties surrounding election efforts. And no one disagrees, Republican, democrat, or otherwise, that it was 100% accurate reporting.
Because they exposed it to the American public and it was all true in the end.
That's why i love the press. It doesn't matter if you're a Russian cunt aristocrat, or a corrupt piece of shit American. They don't care, they fuck them all the same :)
God, i fucking love when people are exposed ;)
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only people dishonest press fuck over is the people of America
Political_moof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, thats why they exposed Nixon. To fuck over the American people.
Well said! ;)
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:24 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This time there isn't an actual story. Unlike before when they physically broke in to a building to cover shit up, see the difference there?
Political_moof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:01 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah totally, because you said it isn't so, it isn't so!
Hey, dipshit, the watergate investigation took 2 years. The allegations of the break in were not reported untill a year and a half after it happened.
Open a fucking history book. Jesus christ.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:38 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah 2 years with hard evidence of people caught breaking in, this shit(Even if it is true, lets just go there for a sec) is going to take even longer to gain any significant ground on. SO why are you so sure of yourself, just because the news outlets tell you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE
watch this real quick
Political_moof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:47 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, dude, the break in was not reported to the public until a year and a half after it occurred.
Are you really unable to read?
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, what did they say? They likely said some small thing like "Oh Russia is spying on us" (no shit you think they would just stop after the cold war?) and the media just blew it up because that's what pays.
DragoonDM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not even familiar with the report, but you're absolutely certain that it's bullshit? Do you not see how insanely biased that is?
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
There's the report. Note that, as the header of each page says, this is a declassified version that omits details that are still classified, but the conclusions are the same. Please try to read it with a critical but unbiased mindset.
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will do, thanks.
DragoonDM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem!
skullbash12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:33:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any sources? This sounds interesting.
Delision ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump never ran previously. He was seriously considering it for the 2012 election, but because he would have to leave The Apprentice if he ran, he decided not to.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000
Political_moof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he did, he ran in the 2000 election and also ran one time prior IIRC.
Delision ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mistake!
bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:33:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump denouncing David Duke.... in 2000. Look at the state of the media in the past 48 hours.
The DNC knew they could manipulate opinion with Trump easily, that's why they wanted him so badly.
The DNC wanted Trump, badly - in part because they were afraid that the other "alternative" candidates in the GOP, in particular Rand Paul, would do too well with POC.
But somehow that isn't racist as all fuck.
I honestly think that Rand has a shot in 2020 if he's willing to take it.
eaterofdog ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:36:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once he figured out the white trash angle, he was in like Flynn.
MuchoZucko ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:22:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever read an exit poll?
He did worse with whites than Romney.
Did better with latinos, blacks, muslims, and gays.
Find something new to circlejerk over.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:10:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank you. good lord thank you brother. this sites circlejerk over the president is fucking sad. they get all their fucking news from cnn and salon. its fucking pathetic
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 03:12:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're spreading fake news
MuchoZucko ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:14:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The information is available through even the most cursory internet search.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
Stop lying.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 03:39:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That article is about Trump doing better with blacks and Hispanics compared to Romney's campaign in 2012, moron. Did you even read it ? Let me guess you did a 5 second internet search, scanned the headline and posted it without reading it. Lmao some expert you are. Were talking about which segment of the population voted the most for Trump. Which was way more poor white trash working class people than blacks or Hispanics. Forget about Romney, the fact of the matter is way more racist white trash voted for Trump in his 2016 campaign than blacks and Hispanics, COMBINED.. You're a loser and an idiot haha
Tjolerie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:10:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're being inflammatory and taking this waaay too personally
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 04:21:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I knew you'd say something like that. Funny the other loser said something similar and deleted his comment. Why? Cuz Fake news spreaders always resort to childish insults when they get proven wrong. Hell Enjoy being embarrassed publicly for being wrong for all the world to see, loser haaha. As for my comment: literally it's just addressing his incorrect points and correcting them, it's a reasoned critical evaluation with some fun insults thrown in, enjoy
Standale_187 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:53:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what you were replying too, bud.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:11:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom let Trump grab her by the pussy didn't she? It's okay to be angry cuz you're such a beta
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He won amongst educated whites too, not to mention a large portion of the Hispanic vote.
steeldraco ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully he'll be out like Michael Flynn too.
Poopballs420weed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He ran only once before.
hippiekyle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Every election"? You mean two?
thatto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then the rest of the republican candidates fucking gave up.
SonofNamek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I truly believe the media created Trump. Not consciously or on purpose, of course. But every backlash against him and corresponding response only made Trump bigger and gave him more fuel.
It generated much of the attention Trump needed to win while also creating itself as the enemy to unite against (because of how much bias occurs when corporate greed tries to cater to certain views/agendas above actual journalism). Essentially, it served dual roles as both Trump's mouthpiece and his scapegoat enemy.
Kinda sad, really.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:19:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're spreading fake news
tydalt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:51:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right... he's probably a "cuck" too right?Head back over to T_D... they miss you over there...Edit: Well THAT was embarassing... not the first time I was stupid and wrong, most certainly won't be the last.
Sorry /u/uralldiseased
PimpedKoala ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:57:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's actually fake. Well, I guess intentionally misleading is a better term.
Seriously? He ran once 17 years ago, and once this past year. That doesn't qualify as "every election for a while" if you ask me
tydalt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bad and I apologize for that... got confused and thought you were referring to one of the other Trump related claims addressed here.
Take care.
trapper2530 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He used the extreme right views on Muslims and immigrants to start gaining ground. Once he got the extremists and jumped up the polls the more moderate started to back him. Them the ones who follow blindly were like "yup ok he good." And finally all the opposers in the republican party just did what they were told and didn't want to be viewed as the worse possible thing in their minds A "Hilary supporting liberal"
GruntingTurnip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:24 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you are being down voted. This is EXACTLY what happened.
trapper2530 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:39 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. He basically got the Nazi Andrew racist vote because he came out and said what they want to hear. The rest fell in line after that.
soomuchcoffee ยท 812 points ยท Posted at 19:39:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would totally believe the idea was to use the campaign trail as a type of seed money for his own news network. He'd go onstage at rallies and be outrageous, then yell fake news when called on the carpet for it. When the untrustable mainstream media finally cost him the presidency (to a mostly unlikable opponent no less), he would "solve" that problem by launching trump news corp.
It could just as easily be that a 70 year old man was tired when they finally announced the winner, but it was hard not to feel the look was more "well shit now what" than fatigue.
[deleted] ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 20:58:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lawyer I worked for decades ago used to say the best way to build a firm's client base was to run for public office. It didn't matter if you won or lost, your name and profession got publicized.
skylarmt ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:48:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the opposition digs up some dirt and people start calling it something-gate. Then you're done for.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:46:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I promise you most private law firms would still love to have Richard Nixon on their team after 1974. Dan Quayle has a sweet CEO gig and all he had to do was nothing for four years.
KeybladeSpirit ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:57:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HEY. Dan Quayle didn't do nothing. He brought joy to the hearts of millions with his snappy one liners such as, "I want to be Robin to Bush's Batman," and, "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix!"
Not to mention his unfiltered statements of truth. For example, who else would dare to state that, "For NASA, space is still a high priority?" Or to say, with no regard for his reputation that, "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:14:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are these available on vinyl?
idwthis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:42:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reads like Troy McClure introducing himself.
beaverteeth92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:11:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean John Edwards cheated on his cancer-stricken wife and runs a very successful law firm.
xtz8 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:25:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like a win win for them.
Aemilius_Paulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is, campaigns are so expensive... You'd have to have a pretty big reputation and connections to get the party to dump a lot of money in you, otherwise you'll be needing to raise a lot of dough.
If you already have so much recognition and money, why bother building a client with an abortive campaign?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't think he meant a state seat or something, more like local government, municipal level for a small suburb or town, etc. Also, I don't think the attempt for the seat was in vain, more of a "even if you lose you win" kind of idea.
JocelyntheGinger ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:59:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think some aides even said that when the results came in, everyone including Trump and Pence were just dumbstruck.
BrettG10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a source for this? I'd love to read more - not doubting your statements' veracity.
Patternsonpatterns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just spent ten minutes trying to find the exact spot, but Ben Shapiro was on Joe Rogan's podcast and said he knew everyone on that team and it was a complete surprise.
KarmaKingKong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:34:02 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know why they would find it a complete surprise. Me and some other people I know thought he had a good chance of winning.
BrettG10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:04 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I appreciate it!
I thought his staff thought his odds were better than anticipated after he started visiting Minnesota in the final weeks of the campaign - looks like I was wrong.
MobthePoet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this. Not because I think he was joking the whole time (that's fucking ridiculous in my opinion - running for president is too difficult to just meme about) but because every (arguably biased) projection, news source, and person thought that Hillary was going to win for sure. I wanted him to win and I was shocked as hell. I had come to terms with his loss long before the election, and whadda ya know!
Eshin242 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my theory. He was supposed to lose. Just barely, enough to where he could make a stink. The GOP would bog Hillary down for the next two years, 2018 would roll around and there would be even more GOP seats in the house and perhaps the senate. (Because seriously the GOP hates Hillary and they'll do it.) Then in 2020 (barring any sort of miracle) Hillary would be a one term president, the GOP would have a full house and Senate, Gerrymandering would lock down even more districts and you'd really start to see the shit fly. The only saving grace would have been the supreme court but there is only so much they can do.
Except trump got elected, and now it is all up in the air.
Sambam18 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:42:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the media that came up with the term "fake news"... Why do people feel the need to rewrite history?
Edit: thanks to whoever down voted me for proving my point
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:38:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
mrmagoodc ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 00:59:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's right. Immediately following the election the term was being used by mainstream outlets to describe twitter bots, Facebook shits posts, etc. that helped sway a lot of public opinion toward Trump. I remember very distinctly being struck by how in less than 2 days, "fake news" had gone from a term I had never heard used to one that every outlet, coworker, and family member was using as though it had always been a well-known concept.
Very quickly, though, Trump decided that he would turn the phrase back on them and given his propensity for repeating things, it has now come to be a derogatory term for factual news that you don't agree with rather than its original meaning of factually inaccurate reports intended to manipulate/disinform (e.g. reports of terror attacks that never happened that (not-so-subtly) pushed anti-immigrant or pro-gun agendas).
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:47:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's humorous because I remember reading all the "What do we do about the fake news problem?" articles the week after the election, and my first thought was "any tool you create to censor fake news will just be used against you," and here we are.
Also NO ONE gave a shit about fake news when they thought Hillary had it in the bag. It only popped up because of the post election liberal meltdown when everyone was looking for someone to blame.
lol the downvoters probably think I'm a trump supporter.
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would dispute this. Fake news had received quite a bit of coverage before election day.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm, I wonder how I can confirm this.
mrmagoodc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's only one indicator, but if you look at Google trends for "Fake News," it goes from basically non-existent to lots of usage right after the election. It's even more striking when you look at the trend over a 5 year period.
As far as how the phrase was being used immediately after the election, if you search news article for the term "Fake News" for a week or so after the election, you get lots of articles about Facebook and Google trying to figure out how to weed out Fake News and pieces about how individuals can learn to identify fake news. Not long after though, it becomes nothing but Trump calling everyone but Fox and Breitbart fake news.
Piratian ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it could be it's used on the various "news" sites like CNN, Fox, and NBC that all led a massive smear campaign on him and to this day still continue to lie through their teeth about everything Trump has ever done and make him out to be evil.
mrmagoodc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may have been the case for a short time after the election when mainstream outlets were trying to find a scapegoat for the election outcome, but now the only time you'll hear them mention fake news is in the context of Trump using the term to insult or knock their credibility.
That said, I disagree that MSM usage of "fake news" was based on falsehoods. It certainly was an attack on Trump's legitimacy, but I think their motivation was more more to point to a reason that the establishment candidate lost despite being predicted to win by the mainstream sources. They were trying to cover their asses for bad journalism by pointing to worse journalism.
That was also the early stages of the Russian interference coverage. It has now become largely about Russian ties to campaign personnel, but early on it had more to do with American public opinion being pushed in Trump's direction by Russian social media efforts (including fake news).
Sambam18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You claimed that trump made the term "fake news", he didn't
Moorkain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you're responding to the wrong person.
Sambam18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about that...
Princess_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, he just made a network. Sort of. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/trump-tv-donald-trump-quietly-10943897
Dubs0 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:35:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the original plan was for him to drop out and endorse Chris Christie, but Trump became more popular and they switched roles. Now Trump is in the Oval Office and Christie is getting into verbal altercations with fans at baseball games and being heckled on NY sports radio.
Helreaver ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:08:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christie is a Cowboys fan governing a state overwhelming populated by Giants and Eagles fans. He knew what he was getting into there.
Henrywinklered ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:10:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not. Trump has been testing the waters for years and finally saw his opportunity to pounce on an election. He was in it to win it from the beginning.
by_myself ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:32:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe that he won the election so much as Hillary lost the election. Had the democrats gone with a remotely likeable candidate, Trump wouldn't have won.
threesifyouplease ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:50 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spot on.
euphoria110 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:12:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I originally thought he was convinced by Hillary or other democrats to run so it would theoretically make it easier for her to win because many people didn't/don't like her, but instead of people being turned off by his attitude and history too many people thought he was the lesser of two evils.
LucyLilium92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:47:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was some of the content in the emails, yes.
usrnames123 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 19:53:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly thought he ran just because he knew he could and didn't really think he had any chance of winning and knew he wasn't fit for the job, but as he starting winning he couldn't stop because he's too stubborn and has to much of an ego to quit.
mference123 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 22:53:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he wanted the job, he just wanted to win.
Helreaver ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:00:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is that a perfect situation in his world would be to win the popular vote but lose the election. That way he and his supporters could rant and rave that he's the "true" winner and president and the corrupt system kept him from power (just as he was predicting), but he wouldn't actually have to get stuck with the job. He would then be able to use that reasoning to get Trump News (or whatever the fuck he would call it) off the ground.
cjosu13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best explanation I've seen yet
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he didn't want to win as much as for someone else to lose.
katwolfrina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Bobby Newport.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:49:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
have you ever heard him speak? he truely cares about the american people...
lopsiness ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:22:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest if I had the money and fame to just run and then started to actually have a chance to win I'd go for it just to be able to say I did it and to see what it's like. I kinda don't blame him on that accord. As for everything else...
Chastain86 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:49:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Penn Jillette -- who shares the same agent as Donald -- has gone on record as saying that he's got it on good authority that Trump essentially ran for President so that he could command a higher salary for continuing to do "The Apprentice." It was only until just after the debates that it became clear he could actually win the thing.
Helreaver ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:10:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I truly can't wait until his term is over. Setting aside what he actually does in the White House, I just want to hear what he says about the job and how he felt before he was elected. Because I feel like he's going to be much more honest about his motives after he's not in office anymore.
jeepdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then it must be true.
Chastain86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is about conspiracy theories and rumors. I think you want the "What FACT are you certain is true, why?" thread.
dudius7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:54:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some good theories that it was to get ratings for The Apprentice and when he got in too deep, his ego and promises meant he couldn't back out.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:55:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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arkaodubz ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:38:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching the debates was fucking painful. I thought they were both abysmal, but Trump was at least picking up support from the 'thank god someone is calling politicians on bullshit' support while Hillary was just largely making herself look awful.
I'm as anti-Trump as they get but I'll be the first to say Hillary was a godawful candidate. I'm not about Bernie either but I think he would've steamrolled Trump.
amatorfati ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:56:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It genuinely seemed like she was angrily chastising America for not electing her in almost every public appearance she made throughout the campaign.
Helreaver ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:14:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your post is a truly wonderful example of how two people can watch one thing and yet watch an entirely different situation. I thought she publicly eviscerated him. I don't remember him "calling politicians on their bullshit", I remember "No puppet, no puppet. You're the puppet!" Like a fucking child.
arkaodubz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:34:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, I thought he looked like a child too, but I could almost see him picking up the angry conservative base he ended up riding to the win.
Meanwhile I felt like Hillary frequently let herself get dragged into his stupid arguments where she had no hope of winning and didn't do much of anything to even encourage me, a left leaning young middle class professional living in NYC, literally her demographic, to want to vote for her. I did, but I didn't feel good about it.
Kaymann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me at least every debate felt very different. The first debate seemed like a bit of a mess for Trump and I would say Hillary ended up looking quite a bit better. The second debate I would say the opposite - he had a lot of good attacks on Hillary that she just kind of flopped around on. The third where the "no puppet" line came from was just a complete shit show and both Trump and Hillary looked really messy as they were really slinging it hard. My personal takes anyway.
jmhimara ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:26:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've thought of this, and it makes sense that maybe all he wanted to get out of this was a new TV series.
Although it is kinda fucked up to think that someone who wasn't even trying ended up winning.
stupidarg ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 20:31:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was more of a secure Clintons win.
If those 2 were the choices they thought who would vote for him.
He probably got some money to do this.
In a major twist though he became more and more popular.
0bskurity ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 23:48:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody accidentally becomes the president. He has wanted this and clearly still does. Fuck reddit, God Bless Donald Trump.
aznanimality ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:34:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Accidental_President_(disambiguation)
121995420 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:43:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I honestly dont think he had much to do with it. He joined the race thinking he could win, but I think after Hillary's email shitstorm happened, I think she worked something out with TPTB to quietly drop out and hand it to him out of fear. Notice we don't hear a single thing about her anymore.
HugoTRB ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:35:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course we don't hear a thing about her anymore, she lost the election, did you here much about Mitt Romney after he lost his election?
Actionjack7 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:26:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary lost to a baffoon. The Lefties lost an election that couldn't be lost.
IceNeun ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:00:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not exactly being fair to the effects of the gas lighting and misinformation campaign that has entered modern politics. It's basically a new form of warfare no one has ever seen or experienced before in most countries.
Russia took notes on Anglo-world (primarily USA and UK) conservative political tactics since Reagan and Thatcher, and adopted and combined it with good ol' Soviet manipulation of the masses.
There's also the technological shift to the newer forms of media that now exist too. This combination of east and west traditions of propaganda turns out to be way more effective with how ubiquitous the internet has become to all walks of life.
In these situations, when you are fighting with swords and arrows and the enemy has guns, it's not necessarily due to incompetence that they failed to meet the threat, but more a lack of immunization and inherited resiliency.
Actionjack7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I said is factual.
matchew92 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:35:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since he voted Democrat for 20 years, I like to think it's all a ploy by the liberals to get us to never vote Republican again.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:20:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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amatorfati ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:55:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now suddenly I'm a race traitor neo-nazi Mexican because I think the US enforcing the same immigration controls that every other rational county around the world does is not racism.
utahdog2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:46:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, full on Trump hating lefty here. I just want to say that I don't think that believing in strong or conservative immigration controls is racist. I think we can easily be compassionate, and have very strong immigration controls. I think the problem is that Trump used very derogatory, and indeed racist, language to describe Mexican immigrants, and that stirred up the real racists, and made everyone who supports him or conservative immigration reform seem racist by association.
edit: I want to clarify that my overall point here is that you are not a racist just for believing in strong immigration controls.
ck-pasta ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:55:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Mexican isn't even a race, it's a nationality. It's like saying American is a race. How can you be racist towards Mexicans when there are white, black, Spanish, and Asian Mexicans.
NakedAndBehindYou ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:09:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same way you can be "racist" against Muslims: because the people yelling "racist" are idiots.
GingerSnap01010 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can be prejudiced without being racist. For example, people from New York City might think people from LA are empty headed hippies obsessed with kale. Or people from New Jersey might assume every one from PA are bad drivers and couldn't identify good Italian food if it bit their balls. Or people from North Carolina could every one from South Carolina were a bit dumber than themselves because of their inferior BBQ.
Or people from the North can assume everyone from the south is a racist hick.
Or people from the costal states could assume people in the middle of the country hate all gay people.
Or people from the middle of the country can assume the people on the costs don't give a shit about them.
Or people Haiti could think people from Jamaica are lazy and rude.
Or maybe every at Northeast High thinks every one at Central High are a bunch of dumb jocks.
Thinking of a group of people as 'other' is problematic even if it's not based on genetics/ethnicity.
. . . .
I'm sure if you talked to someone of Latin American descent, they could tell you have been profiled for being Mexican. Saying "well it's not even a race anyway" doesn't make them any less discriminated against.
Ares6 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is many Americans have an image of what Mexicans look like, when Mexican itself is a diverse title. Same way people say you can't be racist against Muslims yet attack Sikhs who are are not Muslim because they associate tan skin and a beard with Islam. In others words people create a stereotype or image in their head about a group and whomever fits that description will likely face their prejudice.
A white Mexican will likely never face the same prejudice as a mestizo, or indigenous Mexican.
waves-of-the-water ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your getting down voted but I would agree with you.
utahdog2 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Semantics, it's still prejudiced against a group of people.
amatorfati ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:48:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol derogatory racist language. Cool. Still waiting on that proof any day now. I'm sure the media will provide it.
utahdog2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well "bad hombres" was pretty ridiculous, as well as describing them as rapists and criminals on multiple occasions.
amatorfati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so Spanish is racist.
He described literal rapist and criminals as rapists and criminals.
utahdog2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:40:52 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His point was to make it seem like Mexican immigrants were more likely to be rapists than other groups of people, and to get people scared and angry at an entire nationality. Classic racist tactics. And yes his use of those Spanish words is racist when the point is to mock and disparage Spanish speaking people. I am totally fine with strong immigration laws, and their enforcement, but using racism to create unwarranted fear an hysteria to win votes is dangerous.
amatorfati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:07 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love your uncanny ability to read his mind and know intentions. Magical.
utahdog2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:59:19 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think that his purpose was something other than to make white people afraid, and angry so that they would vote for him?
amatorfati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:22 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. I'm not white, I wasn't afraid, and I voted for him.
utahdog2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:49 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that's the only reason someone would vote for him.
amatorfati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:54 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Just that you can read the minds of millions of Americans, including the President.
utahdog2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:50 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think his intentions were pretty obvious, and I don't feel like talking about this anymore, but before I go I want to return to my original point which is that I don't think that you are racist for voting for Trump or for believing in strong immigration controls.
amatorfati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:53 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What people in your camp think is obvious almost always quickly ends up including the latter point. I've learned to utterly disregard that kind of thinking entirely. I absolutely do not trust the Left's insane hypocritical holier than thou stance on unilaterally getting to decide that they know racism when they see it.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:55:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he was talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants
utahdog2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's what I meant.
NakedAndBehindYou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:07:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage and supported a border barrier in the relatively recent past.
Contrary to what Democrats say to smear Republicans, it is not R's that are going further right on these issues, it is D's that are going further left. Even Obama was against gay marriage when he got elected and didn't support it until later.
OnePeace12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democrats may be going further left currently, but it's because they were moved so far to the center by Clinton and Obama. The positions of those two are no where near as liberal as Jimmy Carter's or other democrats before him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:59:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you know Jimmy Carter, the pro-gay marriage, socialist, BLM, third wave feminist president.
waves-of-the-water ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Politics is constantly changing. What is considered to be conservative or liberal now, might be considered to be neutral or normal in the near future.
I'm Irish, so for example less than 10 years, marriage equality wasn't seen as being the most pressing issue. Our own prime minister (who has recently come out as gay), had previously campaigned against civil partnerships for gay and lesbian people. However, with the rise of legalisation in other countries, the topic came to the front of the media. People who would have considered civil partnerships to be going "too far", were now voting yes to marriage equality. Eventually my children and grandchildren will look at this and think that it was the obvious decision as it's what they've come to learn as being normal and ordinary.
Sambam18 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:43:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been saying the same thing in interviews since the 80s, must've been the long con...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:07:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not working then. His main supporter base is still very happy with him.
jeepdave ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like liberals don't get it. We didn't vote for Trump to make Democrats happy.
Helreaver ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:06:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assure you, the overwhelming majority of liberals are well aware that nothing gets a Trumpkin off more than pissing off a liberal, which Trump does very well.
jeepdave ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we didn't hire him to kiss your ass now did we.
Helreaver ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:10:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If recent news is anything to go by, you hired him to kiss the ass of white nationalists.
jeepdave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry that him calling out lefty thugs along with righty thugs bothers you so much. Go stand in traffic.
Helreaver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't say it bothered me. Simply making an observation. And stand in traffic? So another Trump-loving Neo-Nazi can attempt to kill me? Boy you are a violent bunch. I wouldn't know if it's the result of years of persecution of the white man, "economic anxiety", or generations of inbreeding, but you do have my sympathy.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:58:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you dont want to get hit by a car. dont stand in the middle of the road. simple.
Helreaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finish your homework first, then you can go on Reddit.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i finished school a long time ago bud
jeepdave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:15:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lulz. We are the violent ones? Trust me, you'd know if we ever decided to become violent.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they wouldnt stand a chance if we ever had another civil war.
AcePlague ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So genuine question, why did you vote for him?
jeepdave ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I voted in my own best interest. No other people's.
AcePlague ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man, I'm all for that, my biggest argument here in the UK is that people vote against their own interests. I'm genuinely asking what were the policies that suited you?
jeepdave ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:49:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Number one was the supreme court. After that was deregulation. After that was a tougher stance on illegal immigration.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:59:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because i agreed with many of his policies
DMBeer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he put Gorsuch into the supreme court I don't think so.
TThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol if the republicans ever disavow Trump, this will be the conspiracy they tout out to save face.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:33:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That says more about Trump's opposition and the state of our society than it does about him. Trump didn't deceive anyone, he is merely an opportunist. He's the real winner in all of this.
We really need to start looking at ourselves and engaging in collective dialogue to determine how we let this happen and figure out how to not let it happen again.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:36:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My opponent is a liar and cannot be trusted.
UiiN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. Matt and Trey?
AkumaBengoshi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:14:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm half convinced Trump's campaign was Hillary's idea to thin the legitimate opposition, but his ego took over and he screwed her over on whatever deal they had
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
let me get whatever youre smoking!
ponyboy414 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope it was all for the apprentice. It wasn't a joke but a great marketing scheme, now Arnold is on the apprentice and he's miserable.
MePirate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't one of his ex campaign managers say this as well?
paleo2002 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:11:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was probably supposed to gather a lot of fringe support, bow out, and shift his support to the GOP's favored candidate. But the party overestimated their ability to control a narcissistic sociopath who has never heard the word "no" in his life.
VROF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before Election Day it was kind of obvious they were expecting to lose and launch Trump TV
shao_kahff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
as soon as they realized that the DNC were gonna try to do everything they could to push Hilary up, they knew they could take Hilary
Scarface_gv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually if you watch old Donnie videos on Youtube like "From the desk of Donald Trump" and shite like that he actually foreshadows that he'll run.. I don't think it was a joke to be quite honest.
"WATCH WHAT HAPPENS" [...]
m1serablist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a trump supporter, and yes I joined in as a f you to the right and left establishment. Then it got weird
gnit2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is more of a meme than a conspiracy theory.
eleyeveyein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Na he was the sacrificial lamb intended to flame out for a Clinton dynasty. But then that second part instead
AskABikevivor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I favor that he did it for publicity.
He knows he doesn't have qualifications as generally accepted by academic sources, he's a rank amateur at governance, if not management and PR, which for better or worse it's all one needs to succeed in politics, at least initially.
I think he is human. I think he's in over his head, and doing the best job he can with what he knows. He's a political hobbyist who knows the established special interest groups despise him for interrupting their gravy train.
And to be fair, it probably wears and eats at him. He wasn't elected by plurality, but he eeked out a win. I think he loves what he imagines America to be, and I think a lot of people, good and bad, agree with that vision. I think he's seeing daily frustrations with allegations he knows or thinks are false or smoke-but-no-fire. It's possible campaign aides met with Russians and he didn't know. The man gave so many speeches, to expect him to keep perfect tabs on his employees is unreasonable. Their job is to keep tabs on him. Watching the apprentice, he cuts loose people and demands results at the end of the day, with little as to how they were achieved. That's his style. So I bet it keeps him up, the idea that he might have gotten bad advice from someone who might have gotten a suggestion from someone who was Russian- and it'll bring his efforts to fix (or "fix" depending on your outlook!) America to a stop.
So he buggers off and plays a round.
CapSteveRogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He better fucking be.
originalsquad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to Howard Stern, friend of the the Donald, Trump ran for publicity which would give him the leverage needed to get paid more money for the Apprentice.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:47:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was never a joke. hes been talking about running for president for decades
sabado225 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao this is the best one
FireLucid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one I heard is that he did it for attention. The channel that produces his show backed out because he was saying crazy shit. So he went bigger for more attention/profile. He didn't want it and kepy going bigger and crazier and a huge percentage of people just ate it up. He would never bow out, too proud for that and tried to self sabotage, but everyone just ate it up so he went for it.
DJ_GiantMidget ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:08:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a joke but he did it to bring some points to the table. You can actually tell by some of his interviews on the campaign trail and who he had on staff. At one point he said something along the lines of "now we are serious" because he wasn't expecting for it to be what it became. And I'm a Trump Supporter
Reinhardtisawesom ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 20:32:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gee you must be fun at parties
and no im not saying that because you are a trump supporter
giddycocks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I usually don't enjoy South Parks messages and storylines but the Mr. Garrison storyline was literally this and fucking hilarious.
Cartoonlad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It began as a way to improve his public persona so he could get a better salary for appearing on The Apprentice, but then he somehow Springtime For Hitlered his way to the West Wing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he's currently trying to probe just how much he can do before he gets impeached. That's his goal. But he doesn't want to seem like he's going for it, that'd wound his ego. He wants it to be organic.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:02:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
news flash, hes not going to be impeached
NisusWettus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:09:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another option is that he's just a stooge, in there to push the boundaries and see what a president can get away with. Whoever comes next will have a lot more leeway than before.
I don't really believe that, but it would help explain some of the crazy nonsense he does.
daddysloli ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:10:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was a way for pence to get in. I mean pence, wether you agree with him or not, is an unlikeable person but trump could appeal to people
LehighAce06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
During the campaign, I was convinced that it was just for the publicity and then he'd back out around the primary, then he won it. Then I was convinced he'd back out between then and the general election. Then once he was told he couldn't really do that, he started doing/saying the most absurd stuff he could think of to make sure he'd lose.... And then he still won.
Now that it's been over 6 months and he hasn't changed a bit I now realize he's just that much of an asshole, but I held out hope for way longer than was sane.
Llim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy theory; it's the truth. Only it wasn't a joke, but he just wanted to get attention and get his message out there
toth42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he wanted to prove he could win, but didn't want the prize.
121995420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly dont think he had much to do with it. He joined the race thinking he could win, but I think after Hillary's email shitstorm happened, I think she worked something out with TPTB to quietly drop out and hand it to him out of fear. Notice we don't hear a single thing about her anymore.
Eshin242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll one up you. Trump never wanted to win. The most surprised person on Nov 9th was Donald Trump.
kettu3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about Trump's campaign started off as a joke, but once he realized he might win, he did everything he could to discredit himself, and yet he still won.
stainedbuttholeflaps ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:13:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to r/politics, Trump's campaign is actually a conspiracy between him and Russia that was set into motion 5 years ago.
TThor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:20:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe Trump ever wanted to be president, but at the same time he was too egotistical to "lose" near the end. He was completely unprepared for the reality of winning, and now legitimately hates the position.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:03:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would he try for decades if he didnt want to be president?
TThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
egotism partly, a presidential bid makes him feel more important; and the fact that a presidential run improves his fame and helps him sell more books/tv shows.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 5660 points ยท Posted at 20:34:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the rich are pitting people against each other to drastically take attention away from how they make the rules and run the show.
Hard for a white man and black man to come together and fight a common enemy such as the wealthy when their media stations make you hate each other over skin color or other non important issues for the country.
TheAnti-Chris ยท 1931 points ยท Posted at 21:30:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what's happening the world over.
TheUnveiler ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 23:35:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what's been happening the world over. The rich have always fucked over the working poor, dating back to feudalism in medieval times.
stormageddonsmum ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 01:36:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have to be talking about the SUPER rich though cause average rich people aren't in on this shit.
RangerPL ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:25:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy disagrees.
skynet2175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:(
OdwordCollon ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:15:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the truth is even scarier: even the rich and powerful are just as scared and clueless as everyone else. We're all just a bunch of hopeless monkies trying to do our best in a world that is complex beyond anyone's comprehension.
stormageddonsmum ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:18:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't agree more. But I find it kind of comforting rather than scary, in a way.
BrutalMan420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats way more comforting than top down control. that means we could potentially seize the means of production
OdwordCollon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:22 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then you succeed and realize that you were the means of production all along... And then 6 million Ukrainians starve to death
MrTechSavvy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:19:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people are the ones who make it complex. If they weren't so power hungry we could just get rid of money.
tigerbait92 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:31:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, because money is evil. Not like it's just a medium for trading goods
pecklepuff ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:50:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money itself is fine and useful. The hoarding of vast amounts of wealth by a small percentage of powerful individuals at the expense of societal well-being is not fine or useful.
OdwordCollon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:44 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's not like that money isn't in use. It's on loan to banks which are loaning and investing it. Unless it's hidden offshore of course... Which, now that I think about it, is a very strong case for why you might want to think twice about taxing the 1% too much--it feels good, but at some point it would become counterproductive.
Hannyu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money is indirectly evil. Money is power. I think we have all heard the many sayings about how power corrupts. So until we uncouple money and power, yeah it'll always be that way.
basicwhytegurl ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:34:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The love of money is the root of evil. Money is not evil in the slightest bit- people are.
OdwordCollon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:57 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people are just people. Truth is we're all horrible monsters. Never forget that or else you'll really become a monster. The most horrible things done in human history were done by people who thought they were the good purging the evil--that if only they could eliminate this one awful group of devils that things would be perfect forever.
MrTechSavvy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:26 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound crazy. I don't think I'm purging Evil lol I'm just living life. Just graduated, about to look for a job. Come home, live my life.
OdwordCollon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:47 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh haha I wasn't saying you were. Just to be careful of any mindset that leads you to believe that there is an external group of people uniquely responsible for all of the world's ills. This is the pathology at the root of all genocide. And on the subject of how easily people can be moved to such things, consider giving Ordinary Men a read.
MrTechSavvy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:26 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe a group is responsible for all of the worlds ills, but I definitely believe the government is responsible for the US's ills. I mean it's not like I plan on taking the government down or anything though lol.
Keown14 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:49:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree with you.
DoktorSoviet ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dating back before that: the rich have manipulated the poor to stay in power since the first civilizations.
pecklepuff ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:53:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a couple of people, but one woman in particular who would benefit from left-leaning programs, but votes 100% conservative republican. Calls Hilary and other dems "evil", and when I ask her why, she can't really even say. She just resorts to "I just don't like them", and she's also openly racist. She has, however, benefitted from Medicaid and charity medical care. Maybe people like her think there's only so much aid to go around, and want to keep it from others so that they have more for themselves? I don't know. And it's also easy to decide who "others" are based on easy markers like race, religion, ethnicity, etc.
Captain_Applesauce ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me of my wife's aunt, uncle and their kids. They are very right wing minded, watch Fox News religiously, and hate government welfare programs and the people that use them. Of the 5 kids, 4 have used or are still on some kind of government assistance.
pecklepuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they think welfare is okay for white people. You know, because they "earned" it by having white ancestors who did all the work. s/
Captain_Applesauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:31 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I could actually see this being their logic.
Dr_Sploosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well... that's how you get rich though.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:27:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheAnti-Chris ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why lsd is illegal.
ThePeskyWabbit ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:39:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
indeed my friend.
politicalshill ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:50:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Divide and conquer is a ruling strategy, not a battle tactic.
munaught1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... It's a pretty well documented phenomenon. Hell, NPR did a story about it.
AlexMeanberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
I_Has_A_Hat ยท 1022 points ยท Posted at 21:58:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd agree with this one. Back in 2010 during the Occupy movement, the media shit a brick. Every story was either discrediting the whole movement or yelling at people that they have to do everything possible avoid CLASS WARFARE and it wont solve anything!
Now, instead of being angry at the rich, poor people are at EACHOTHERS throats. Racial tensions are higher than they've been in decades, but you don't hear the media say a peep about avoiding a race war. Because they don't care. Its far easier to get away with screwing people over if they're only paying attention to the other people getting screwed rather than the ones doing the screwing.
CirqueKid ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 01:08:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the great scene from The Big Short where the aftermath of the Wall Street bailouts is nothing but blaming poor people and immigrants and only one banker went to jail.
loverink ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:46:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its difficult to watch a movie so good that leaves you so sad and jaded.
UNSTABLETON_LIVE ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:21:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to call it the scariest horror movie I've ever seen.
Hannyu ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:13:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at whats going on in Charlotte and the coverage from the media. Not only are they not saying shit about avoiding one, they're damn near actively igniting an an already explosive situation.
NO_TOUCHING__lol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And everybody on reddit is here just eating it up. You either believe all conservatives should be removed from the country, or you're a Nazi.
wagsyman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:05 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If youre not with us youre against us is an extremely powerful tool to separate groups.
TThor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:41:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On a tangent, I've always found it funny how it is only class warfare when it is "the poor against the rich"; When it is rich against poor, it is just treated as "business as usual".
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:24:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find it now, but I remember seeing an image of google search trends over time and it was showing how a lot of these current racial/social issues phrases start right after the Occupy Wallstreet movement
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:17:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who owns the media?
Not the people...
Peil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something I believe that fits in this thread nicely is that the media and governments were fearful in the late 2000s- early 2010s. This was after seeing things like the Occupy movement, the Arab Spring, and the rise of anti-establishment leftists in Europe, places such as Ireland, Greece and Spain. So they switched tack from reporting pure news, to shit stirring identity politics stories, and favouring status quo politicians. They were afraid that the sudden upsurge in mass protests around the globe organised through the internet would cause not a "New World Order", but maybe a "slightly different order", different enough to put them out of a job. Interestingly, the UK actually seems to follow this trend, with riots across England in 2011 which were heavily connected to social media, and the change in policy since the mid-2000s of strict internet regulation.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:20:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ggarner57 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:12:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until they hire mercenaries and jet fighters and all the other nice things money can buy.
War ain't cheap
PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of that stops an assassin. Even the secret service, the best group trained for this purpose, can fall to a determined assassin. It's true CEOs, like the Waltons, hire people like that but even the richest most corrupt people aren't safe from a determined assassin.
amaniceguy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:32:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You confused determined assasin with suicide. No matter what happen, if a guy/girl is succesful to kill the mighty target, they will get shot to dead. Which brings us to the question of suicide bombers. If they are what they say they are, isn't it more effective if they target a highly valuable person whoever their foes is. Rather then killing unknown civillians that only getting into statistics. They are already 'determined assassins' so to speak. It only serves those who alives a.k.a. guys who run the strings. But the hate will be directed to the suicide bomber's ethnicity or religion for example, which gain NOTHING from that action. This is the conspircary theory that I believe. How does Afghan people or even Taliban gain from all the news served to us everyday about their suicide bombers or goat rapist. If any. it downgrade their purpose of fighting, like we downgrade Nazis as just crazy people with agendas. Its not even hard for a suicide bomber, let say they hate this guy who always happen to shop at Coach store downtown. Park a car somewhere on that radius, have enough explosive charges, boom. At least he/she died for something a.k.a. killing the right person.
PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't confuse anything. Your implications are not true. Many killers are brought to justice. I agree a determined assassin is willing to die to accomplish their goal but suicide is not their goal so why do you assume it to be?
Everything else you wrote is not something anyone can answer except a suicide bomber. I cannot rationalize a suicide bomber, I'd argue nobody alive can rationalize their minds. They kill for fear, they are mostly weak manipulated people with small perspectives. Maybe if they were educated they wouldn't be killers or they'd at least kill justifiably.
escape_of_da_keets ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:53:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fucking serious? A modern revolution wouldn't be some glorious uprising that results in the redistribution of wealth and ends in some collectivist utopia. If the world's peacekeeping force and largest economic and military power descends into anarchy, you can bet your ass that every other nation with an axe to grind is going to leap at the opportunity. It would mean World War and a collapse of the global economy. Everyone you know would starve or be raped and killed in the streets and die for nothing. We would be lucky to avoid nuclear armageddon.
archetech ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:52:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are imagining class warfare as some sort of army of poor people marching in the streets trying to take over the entire country. That would never get very far. The more likely scenario is targeted assassinations.
escape_of_da_keets ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:08:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's the case, I doubt the revolutionaries that were complicit with murdering innocent people in their homes to gain power would make better politicians than what we have now.
Seems like it would lead to the second Reign of Terror.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would never get very far.
As much as you might think it's the opposite, pasty anarchkiddies are not capable of infiltrating and consistently overwhelming the security forces of the world.
PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:12:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt if for example the Waltons were murdered we would go to WWIII for them. It would probably be meaningless but I don't think we are as fragile as we were in the past towards going to world war.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:21:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Fox News
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every revolution ever had people die for nothing and had people die for something. It is necessary. Maybe even it's what we need to pull us out of our complacency
wagsyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:27 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you do it then?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:18 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I can't be sure if I would die for nothing or for something also I'd very much rather live.
marcus6262 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:59:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because that worked so well in the USSR and Communist China. Killing rich people will just create a power vacuum others will fill.
SwallowTheTruth ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 02:02:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the ones who fill it better be more fit to so the job than the last one or you get a round in the back of your head and on to the next applicant.
marcus6262 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:14:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Yeah Stalin and Mao were clearly so fit to do the job that's why millions starved to death under their leadership.
wow_that_guys_a_dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops. Double clicked.
wow_that_guys_a_dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what I've always hated? Sparrows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people don't give a fuck about the billion starving to death today
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No lol. I'm just saying that they are no better than these dictators
Neon_needles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are insanely retarded.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, are you for real? If so, you might want to give this a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Onj4Wx61ps
ReMaxius ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:26:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your lack of care for human life is disgusting.
SwallowTheTruth ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sure as opposed to the wealthy being okay with millions struggling. Please spare your morality that you oh so suddenly have.
ReMaxius ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:51:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suddenly? I've had morals since birth dude. I've been where you are, I know how it feels, but with that mentality, we will never get anywhere as a society.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:53:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The damned hardest part of my ego is admitting I'm wrong when feeling passionate but you do have a very valid point.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ReMaxius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:58 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, my friend. Perspective is important.
raifieldc4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure let's just allow the Praetorian Guard take over while we're at it...
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:51:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SwallowTheTruth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:55:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well when you ignore the betterment of your fellow man for your own greed you deserve nothing less than a bullet.
alex3omg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:37:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something about a camel getting through the eye of a needle comes to mind
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:57:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SwallowTheTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know but it's good to get off my chest lol.
CastawayWasOk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:04:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are definitely on a list.
Hannyu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:25:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this day and age if you're not on some list somewhere then you're probably not standing up for anything.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think I legit give two shits? I'm free to say what I want and if the snowflakes at the top can't handle it then stop acting corrupt and benefit your fucking country. They can shove their nonexistent list up their asses.
CastawayWasOk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:23:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're on two lists now.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:32:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay? 2nd amendment exists and I carry love to see them try anything.
CastawayWasOk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to dig too deep into your post history, but should you be carrying while you're on probation?
SwallowTheTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No and respectively I'm not but ones nearby almost all the time and I'm not the only CCW holder in my house so even then no one's getting into my house or near my property without us knowing.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:56:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we saw a bit of that a couple of weeks ago with the shooting at the Republican softball practice. Calls for everyone to come together and work together for a couple days, then everyone forgot about it and they stopped pretending.
SwallowTheTruth ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:00:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's just the start, gotta break a few eggs to get the omlette and all that shit.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that the leaders need to properly fear their constituents, but not with fear of death. There should be some financial stakes with entering a political position controlled by the constituents, not gigantic corporations.
Hannyu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We shoukd be able to fire and replace them at any time if we as a whole (or even a big enough minority, like 40-45%) feel we are no longer being represented, but that they are instead representing lobbyists/special interest groups.
Edit: and we should be able to do it without having to resort to using the 2nd amendment to replace our entire government. But even our founding fathers knew there may come a day where they did not give up power freely. It's exactly why they created the 2nd amendment and didn't establish a central government run military like we now have.
Orwellian1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:01:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow...
SwallowTheTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's finally get the ball rolling on not to fuck with your middle class.
gd_akula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't wrong...
marcus6262 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:58:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, killing people for being more successful than you isn't wrong. Thank God the rich and powerful aren't as barbaric as you.
gd_akula ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh bullshit the rags to,riches story is played out. They aren't more successful by and large they got lucky and were born wealthy. Maybe they got wealthier by being smart but that doesn't give them the right to trample the shit out of peoples lives just so they can afford another yacht this year.
marcus6262 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 02:17:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know this?
Does that happen in America? Poor people in America get welfare (given to them by the rich).
gd_akula ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go look at the top 100 wealthiest and look at their history find 10 that weren't born to at least upper class.
Welfare doesn't come close to closing the wealth gap and a lot of people sit just above or struggle with the poverty line and aren't eligible for any sort of welfare. And no matter what you think about welfare it takes a heartless bastard to think "man we really should just keep fucking people over to make that net worth number of mine go up."
marcus6262 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If people are above the poverty line why should they receive welfare?
How are people being fucked over? I'm not saying that every single wealthy person is perfectly honest and doesn't fuck anyone over, but how does simply being rich equate to hurting others? If you want to call out specific groups of wealthy people who are fucking others over (like the fossil fuel guys who contribute to Global Warming) that's fine. But what is the point in generalizing?
Perhaps when it comes to astronomical wealth (billions of dollars, which the top 100 have) then family and luck plays into it but there plenty of moderately wealthy doctors, lawyers and small business owners who were born into working class or middle class families.
Hannyu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The poverty line is superficial, we could set it where ever we want. Just want to point that out.
Also that many/most people just barely above the poverty line are actually in a WORSE situation than those below it, as they are nonlinger eligable for many of the assistance benefit programs. What they lose in income value from those far outweighs the extra thouand bucks a year or so they make above the poverty line. Food stamps, WIC, HUD housing, medicare (or is it medicade, can never keep those 2 straight), not to mention federally funded programs from places like the non-profit my wife works for, where they give out commodities every few months, run LiHEAP programs a few times a year to help pay for electric or gas utilities, such and so on.
You need to make a considerable amount above the poverty line to actually come out better than being below it.
Reasonable_Thinker ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what do you do as a rich person who thinks that? Do you give your money all away to charity and live as a poor?
Or do you pull a George Soros or Koch brothers and donate to your favorite political causes that you think does the most good?
I am no fan of the 1% and we need to take them on. But put yourself in their shoes for a minute, they are people too.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean they got lucky, success is just luck combined with opportunity. I was also lucky to escape poverty but I'm not living in this fantasy and delusion that I'm somehow more deserving. Killing rich people is the right thing to do.
marcus6262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you genuinely believe this or are you trolling? I take it you want to die as well then (you said you got lucky and were able to escape poverty). Not to mention that like it or not rich people are the most productive members of society so killing them would hurt everyone else.
Some rich people got lucky (born into the right family) others worked for what they have. If you are truly that stupid to think that the only way to get rich is to be lucky I can't help you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:49:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should see my other comments, I think they stand at -100 or some shit. Yes, I genuinely believe that and totally not trolling. Rich people that want to escape death, know their way around and they adapt. This is life. You try to get rich and that's the easy part. The hard part is staying rich and alive.
marcus6262 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:59:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you think that's true, why is killing rich people "the right thing to do"? And do you deserve to be killed for "getting lucky" and being successful?
Really? Because rich people tend to live longer than poorer people. Where is this epidemic of rich people getting killed?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not where you live. I'm from the Eastern block
marcus6262 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people are constantly getting killed in Eastern Europe? By who?
I've been told (by friends who come from there) that many rich people over there are mobsters (as opposed to legitimate businessmen) so maybe that's why. If that is the case, I think them being killed has more to do with being criminals than them being rich.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Russia, they are killed by Putin, in Romania and other central/eastern european countries they kill each other by hiring poor people as hitmen.
HOWEVER,
THAT was my exact quote. Millionaires in the eastern block they either pay up to the state and remain slightly rich, get put in jail by the state or RUN the state and put other rich people in jail. There are no other legitimate rich people here that stay rich, they are either robbed by the state, by other rich people or they have "car accidents". Corporations can do as they please too as their money is sent outside the country and is hardly reachable by the state.
Also, you implied I were rich and my exact quote was
Which means exactly that, that I escaped poverty by luck, not that I am rich. I am somewhat middle class in my country but compared to an american, I am very poor. Nobody wants to kill me but there were plenty of other people, richer and poorer, trying to take steal money from me or obtain other advantages.
There was a funny communist joke during the Cold War: In capitalism, the human is exploited by the human, in Communism is the other way around. There's no way to avoid NOT being greedy or exploiting others as long as our entire system of values is material. We were taught, both in Communism and Capitalism, that the world revolves around money, or even worse, your virtues and vices are defined by how much money you have. For example, you are poor and take drugs? You're a loser and an addict that will always be poor or dead. You are rich and take drugs? You're cool, edgy and non-conformist, eccentric and extravagant taking a stand for what you believe in and living life the way you want to. Same goes for other aspects - the double standards are real.
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That is accurate. Honest businessmen, if there are any, take their money to the West or to offshore accounts to protect it from the state. Kinda like everywhere.
Howtofightloneliness ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:21:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, all rich people are inherently evil and don't deserve what they worked hard to get? What makes you deserve their money? Sure, there are terribly greedy people at the top who have funneled the money to themselves, taking it away from deserving employees. But, that isn't all rich people in the least.
chevymonza ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:44:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, this explains why Trump isn't so quick to decry the hate groups. He loves to see people flip their shit over the racial divide, so he can have less attention on what a bloviated bogus billionaire buffoon he is.
JimmyBoombox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must have a short memory span then.
Cincinnati riots of 2001
Great Brook Valley Project Riots 2002
North Minneapolis Riots of 2002
Benton Harbor riots 2003
2005 Toledo riot
San Bernardino punk riot 2006
Riots against BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant in 2009
Akron riots of 2009
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:15:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JimmyBoombox ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:23:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, is your reading comprehension really that bad eh? Guy said media made racial tensions higher than they've ever been in decades after OWS to distract and divides us. I gave examples showing what he said is false since there's been high racial the past decade.
Uconnvict123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, even all the democrat mayors went around squashing the protests. For example, rahm emmanuel in Chicago almost immediately (iirc) cleared the parks and put a stop to any protest.
CliffordFranklin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"job creators"
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep - those Occupy protesters were being dubbed "low-level terrorists" by the state at the time.
nononeyouknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:35 on January 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2011
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PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not new but it is definitely propaganda. Note the famous quote on picking the pockets of said people.
kilokalai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:37:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the occupy movement. I walked through a huge camp of tents with zero people in the camp. I couldn't find anyone. No one was there, it was a tent occupation with a bunch of tents and nothing or no one in them.
drawdeadonk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:39:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, alot of the occupiers discredited themselves.
https://youtu.be/UGL-Ex1CD1c
AnalTyrant ยท 556 points ยท Posted at 22:32:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't even really consider this a conspiracy theory as much as just a general functioning of human existence.
Consider the differences and similarities between how a poor white guy, a poor black guy, a poor Latino guy, a poor tribal native guy, and a poor guy of any other ethnicity live in America.
Contrast those similarities/differences with a comparison between a very rich guy and a very poor guy. This is where you see the greater differences in how these people's lives play out.
Now I wouldn't go so far as to say all super-wealthy people actively work to disenfranchise the non-wealthy and put them against each other, but it does seem to play out in their favor.
coleosis1414 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:57:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure they don't. They act in a manner that only considers themselves. They take actions to secure their gains and don't think for a moment about the consequences for others. When a failing bank takes a fat bailout check from the government and distributes it amongst its executives as bonuses, they're not thinking "fuck the taxpayer" they're thinking "yay free money".
It's not antagonistic. It's worse. It's contemptuous. You do not matter.
skynet2175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:(
eljordan6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They paid it back with interest.
coleosis1414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Semi-true. The government was paid back marginally more than they originally issued in the bailouts due to the total interest accrued from the institutions that did pay back, but some-400 financial institutions (more than half of the group) still haven't paid back and likely never will.
eljordan6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love to read about that, source?
edit: http://www.politifact.com/new-hampshire/statements/2012/oct/25/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-banks-paid-back-all-federal-bail/ for anyone who cares to read about it.
aesu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:57:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course all wealthy people dont. Some people will win the lottery today, ro sell their business and make a fortune.
All it takes is for any group of wealthy and powerful people to conspire to this end. It's actually a tragedy of the commons scenario. So long as you allow a minority to owna majority of society, you create the circumstances in which someone will manipulate it to their ends.
Macktologist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why people try to succeed in life and grow financial security. Bring rich usually works out better than being poor.
DoctorAbs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:47:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AnalTyrant is right guys.
2gig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would. Just watch any cable news.
Iffycrescent ยท 624 points ยท Posted at 21:40:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You read my mind. About a week ago I randomly started thinking about the Occupy Wallstreet movement and how back then we all came together (somewhat disorganized, but together) to protest. Since then the media has just been talking about issues of race/sex/gender one after another and we've just been dividing into angry mobs ever since. I even heard at the women's march the protesters started separating into white feminists and POC feminists and arguing between themselves. It's just a theory, but a plausible one if you ask me. After all, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Uncle_Bill ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:05:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always believed that OWS and the Tea Party had more in common (Hate for bank bailouts, belief that government is corrupt) than either would admit.
socontroversial ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:01:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tea Party was highjacked. The move itself was brilliant IMO, from a propaganda and control standpoint.
Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I remember the Tea Party being a bit more like a version of a libertarian movement. Then it got highjacked in a big big way.
Hannyu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:35:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The far left and right have a lot in common in terms of goals, as far as the average person economically speaking. The major differences are social and HOW they think we should achieve those goals.
chevymonza ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 00:42:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely true. Occupy Wall Street was an awesome idea, bringing attention to the 1% and how Wall St basically runs the gov't.
A co-worker of mine was adamant that illegal immigrants and welfare recipients are the problem; I emailed him links to statistics that showed the opposite, that it's the CEOs and their benefits and golden parachutes that cost this nation WAY more money.
Sooooo many articles about how CEOs are paid totally out of proportion to their actual work/worth, and this started in the 1980s or so when consultants showed them how to go about this. Somebody just wrote a book about it and I'm drawing a blank on the name/title- the author is a former CEO so he knows of what he writes!
Anyway, I suspect that the gov't/1%-ers sent "loonies" to disrupt the event and discredit the protesters. The media would cover all the people acting weird, protesting other things, etc. So people would read about and think, "oh look at those dirty hippy millennials who need to get their own jobs and stop hatin' on those hard-working, super-smart banking types!"
Related theory (somebody else's which I agree with): Whenever there's a peaceful protest, plain-clothes cops will show up and start riling people up (bumping into people etc.) Violence erupts, and the uniformed cops then have a reason to shut down the protest which is no longer peaceful.
anythigfast ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 01:58:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cops were proven to have done this in Toronto during the G20
chevymonza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:20:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Canada no less. :-[ When I learned about this tactic, I wasn't surprised, just really sickened. Probably the same thing that happened in Charlottesville- send in some goons to rile people up.
And then Trump spills the beans inadvertently b/c he wants to perpetuate this belief that the counter-protesters were violent.
Elcatro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:35:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here in the UK our police force uses kettling for peaceful protests that the government doesn't like and force people into a smaller and smaller area, holding them for several hours unable to go anywhere. Guess how this pretty much always ends.
Of course, then the media reports on it as violent protests and rioting and the like making out that there's no legitimacy to the protest.
chevymonza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's a subtle but very effective (and fucking annoying) tactic.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I'm too lazy to look up the source, but it's probably on youtube. It's a formal interview with the dude who started the Occupy movement, and he said that he jumped out of it about halfway through because it, overnight, turned into something that was unrecognizable from what he started.
hidden_pocketknife ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:48:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Divide and conquer" is one of the oldest military strategies in the book. It's also super effective with minimal work.
_GreenHouse_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:19:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out A People's History of the Untied States. It goes it to this quite a bit. Also Manufacturing Consent and Sheldon Wolin on inverted totalitarianism.
NorthwoodsHyena ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:33:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty there has always been a bit of friction between White feminists and feminists who are POC. At least that's what all my Women's Studies classes taught me.
mfred01 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:45:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There absolutely is. The most common issue I've seen discussed (and this happens in other groups too) is that once white feminists get what they want they'll work to secure their gains even at the expense of women who aren't white. Basically, there's solidarity until one group decides they don't need to help out because they got what they want already.
I probably explained that really poorly.
Keldon888 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:58:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are right and its not like race/sex/orientation issues aren't all big issues with their own divides.
Occupy Wall Street had no focus and no goal and therefore no major opposition and no major internal divides. It was just "thing is bad" and everyone agreed that it was bad. The end. There was no opposition but the people saying "okay then what?" or "dont you all have jobs?"
Now, I don't doubt groups do stoke the fires of these issues to keep people occupied. Like religious politicians talking about people marrying dogs to rile up their religious base when they have no concern for any of that.
gtphanta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They completely freaked out when it was the rest of the world against the 1%, so this is the solution.
Newoski ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:10:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that identity politics is what is causing this issue of segmentation (it turned the wall st movement from an upraw about financial desperately to fk rich white men, it turned an issue of journalistic integrity/corruption in the fk whiney man babies they are sexist dogpile come to be known as gamergate) It creates an us vs them mentality. The people buying into all this shit are the very definition of useful idiots.
UNSTABLETON_LIVE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're all focused on one major issue, the rest of the bullshit can be swept under the rug and ignored. (See abortion, civil rights, gender rights, gay rights, immigration and Benghazi.)
Peil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:36:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something I believe that fits in this thread nicely is that the media and governments were fearful in the late 2000s- early 2010s. This was after seeing things like the Occupy movement, the Arab Spring, and the rise of anti-establishment leftists in Europe, places such as Ireland, Greece and Spain. So they switched tack from reporting pure news, to shit stirring identity politics stories, and favouring status quo politicians.
They were afraid that the sudden upsurge in mass protests around the globe organised through the internet would cause not a "New World Order", but maybe a "slightly different order", different enough to put them out of a job.
Interestingly, the UK actually seems to follow this trend, with riots across England in 2011 which were heavily connected to social media, and the change in policy since the mid-2000s of strict internet regulation.
strangervisitor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:23:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I wouldn't really lump feminist movements in with trying to be 'all inclusive'. I've met many feminists I really hate because of their beliefs (Anti trans and anti sex worker feminists). Feminism isn't really the big group hug people want to make it out to be. It is definitely a good school of thought over all, but its not homogenous, and it has a lot of internal issues that NEED to be dealt with.
This is why I put political movements that are more abstract in terms (Fighting for specific issues) above joining groups that have one purpose. I don't really care about joining a feminist group that wants to close the gender pay gap, when that same group denies the idea that the race pay gap is larger and a more pressing issue, AND can be dealt with at the same time.
Intersectionality is where its at honestly. We can fight for all rights at the same time, no need to demand only one group gets the stuff over others.
themangosteve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be giving the media too much credit. They want to sell, so they talk about issues people care about the most. This might be a chicken or egg question...
Marvelous_Chaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I think a lot of people also forget that the media is not a monolith. It's not like news outlets convene in one big office and go "Hey, let's disinform the public by starting a race war!"
GypsyPunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:43 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is absolute common place for those groups to segregate each other. It's really wild to watch seeing as they are fighting for the same cause.
JimmyBoombox ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:24:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Til issues or race, sex, gender didn't exist until after OWS protest. It was all created by media.
Hannyu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the case, they just took on a more prominent role in our propoganda machine - I mean media - in order to keep focus on issues that separate us rather than issues that divide us.
MiniJar ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:16:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Forgetting all the pain and hurt we caused each other in these streets.
If I respect you, we unify and stop the enemy from killing us."
DeFex ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:03:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See also immigrants taking your jobs (your jerb was freely given away by the very people who want you to hate immigrants)
union_jane ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 22:25:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Divide and rule, it's an established thing.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:29:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have to start fighting it!
union_jane ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been fighting for the things I believe in for years, thanks, but we'd be happy to have you.
WelcomeToTheHiccups ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't have a job and complain about it! It's an established thing.
FreckleException ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:46:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - President Lyndon B. Johnson
sexyjeremypharoahwiz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:47:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're overestimating rich people. They're just as capable of being dumbasses as the rest of us.
darklordoftech ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:50:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who worked on Nixon's campaign have admitted that Nixon did this. Who do you think, "states' rights", "law and order", and "war on drugs" were meant to appeal to?
boogiemanspud ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:14:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it is like this. There is fat farmer fox. Farmer fox sits on so much grain that he could never use is. He sells eggs and meat from his chickens.
The chickens mainly have to pick through the bugs and such to get fed. He throws a little grain out to the chickens once in awhile. He says, "look at that little white chicken, that brown chicken just took the food from your mouth! Look at that little red hen, the red rooster took the food that was meant for you! Look little rooster, the lazy hen who doesn't even lay just took the food from your family!"
It's all a clever ruse to keep the chickens from realizing the fox is starving them while he gets fatter through their hard work.
EDIT: This could also be expanded to say the fox has a hen who loves to gossip and likes to see drama. The fox keeps the hen as a pet, giving her a little more scraps of food than the others. The fox wouldn't have to directly tell the chickens about the others taking their grain, all he would have to do is mention a few things in passing and the gossiping hen would take care of the rest. The media ladies and gentlemen.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beautifully put.
AuntyMeme ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:58:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So tue. They are also pitting men against women to divide us even more.
crimekiwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why incels is still on reddit after being a cesspool of hate, yet I get a comment removed for saying my opinion on a hot topic when it's different from everyone else's for being 'hateful'.
takenarethegoodnames ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:35:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was well documented strategy by the wealthy landowners in the southern american colonies starting all the way back in the 1600s.
horsecalledwar ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:25:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just the wealthy but the powerful. Love him or hate him, Trump's a political outsider & the country has been upended by his election. The media and establishment politicians hate him because no outsider was ever supposed to win.
The constant criticism of every little thing is so over the top. It's 24/7 negative attention from all sides and every source. Now we're having race riots because a handful of yokels crawled out from under a rock to opine over a retired statue and something something this is all Trump's fault. Seems extreme to the point of being crazy.
It just doesn't pass the smell test. Seems much more likely that the swamp refuses to be drained and will do anything to stop his agenda, even if it means causing a second civil war.
I actually worried that crazies would pull this kind of dumb shit when Obama won in '08 because racists but nope, nothing like it.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:04:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know that really makes me question this whole thing...I figured it was Trump being a dipshit, which he is, but I mean it does show that the career politicans are scared.
horsecalledwar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After 7 months, I'm convinced that they'd be acting the same even if he was a saint and that they couldn't treat him worse even if he was literally Hitler. And now I want to know what they're all so afraid of.
coolrivers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:22 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why has he managed everything so poorly then? He could have rode in on a new economic nationalism, but everything has been so botched and mismanaged.
Dakjaniel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:12:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would add the additional motive they have right now is not to keep "making the rules" as usual, but simply to survive.
The planet is in a mass extinction now and climate change is just starting to ramp up, they don't want the other 98% working together when things get really tough. Better to keep them distracted and angry at each other, and keep building the luxury bunkers and consolidating wealth in the meantime.
IL0VECHEESE ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:56:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are slaves to the rich and don't even know it.
Hannyu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:43:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More people are waking up to it. The problem is they have all the resources and unity to stand together to maintain their power and status. Even if enough people wake up, too many are controlled by fear of losing the little they do have to truly fight it. So not only does awareness have to spread, but then acceptance, and finally organization and willingness to do something about it en mass.
creep_with_mustache ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:51:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, no we're not. Grow up.
Kiita-Ninetails ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:30:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... of course they do. Have you not been paying attention to the last eight thousand years? That is basically the most key mechanism of maintaining power. Play your opponents off against each other.
thedugong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Requiem for the American Dream
SwallowTheTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"manufacturing consent is the name of the game"
trex_in_spats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I mean while a lot of bad shit has been going on, it makes sense considering such a short time after the whole Occupy Wall Street thing happened, everyone suddenly forgets the whole point. Now were all fighting each other and no one really cares about the wealthy.
bobfnord ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:18:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has always felt more like an observation than a theory. I'm not sure I've seen anything that would lead me to believe this wasn't the case. And it makes sense. If I was a rich asshole and wanted people to stay compliant and not focus against me, I'd find ways to ensure there was infighting. "Hey, look over there!"
Hannyu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another great tactic they used that a lot of people over look is how the number of workers has grown in huge quantities several times. Free the slaves, put women in the work force, bring in cheap immigrants. More people for fewer jobs, more competition and fighting among the chattle. Weaker worker protections, shittier benefits, less need for loyalty to workers when they're easily replaced. Now we've hit a point in technology where we also have to compete with computers, and globalization means competeing with massively underpaid and protected kids working in some chinese sweat shop.
As an added bonus, our kids are now largely in daycare and preschool at earlier ages than past generations in larger numbers. Insitutions that have to meet government regulations/guidelines. Essentially they have our kids from a very young age to raise and indoctrinate - I mean educate - as they see fit.
RangerPL ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awfully selfish. Globalization has made a positive impact on the lives of those immigrants and Chinese laborers, whose only other alternative would have been subsistence farming with zero opportunity to improve their or their childrens' lives. Just because the American middle class isn't getting its share of the pie doesn't mean we should throw millions of people under the bus. To them, you and I are the economic elite.
Hannyu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not here to play a morality game. I was just calling it like it is.
Also globalization has allowed for the exploitation of children in foreign nations and an illegal immigration problem. So exploiting child labor at near slavery conditions and breaking our nations laws - immigration laws that are lax compared to most nations - is your idea of moral high ground?
PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't looked into it enough but I've definitely read Martin Lurther King Jr. was only killed after starting to speak out against capitalism. He wanted to unite all poor people just as he did for the black community. Regardless of how he died, Martin Lurther King Jr. didn't like capitalism.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:35:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And honestly it's something I respect and try to spread. It's a system of corruption and greed that hurts humanity.
patrick_Batemann ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:07:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same can be said for communism. Considering radical leftist ideologies are incompatible without authoritarianism
poerisija ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism is incompatible with authoritarianism, if you read any source material on it.
ktcholakov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about Marxism my dude, don't get confused
poerisija ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, so many terms it's hard not to. And everything means different things to everyone else. I'm advocating post-scarcity Star Trek utopia, not soviet union to put it in clear terms :P
ktcholakov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I see. Cheers!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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poerisija ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism should be a stateless, classless society. Doesn't work with authoritarianism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society
Earl_Harbinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:42:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet when I ask how a stateless communist society handles murderers or people performing some capitalist act, it either involves having only 'perfect' people or it turns out that there's a government that you don't call a State.
poerisija ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:10:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously there can be laws and policies. Don't be daft.
Earl_Harbinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then those laws will be enforced by... the state! In what sense would it be stateless?
poerisija ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:15:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have to be enforced by the state. People are perfectly capable of co-operating and making up rules for groups without any govermental bodies. Obviously there would be a need for a huge cultural change before people learn that if we all play nice together, everyone will have more fun.
Earl_Harbinger ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it requires perfect people...
poerisija ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 8-year old daughter can play nice and share. It doesn't require people to be perfect, it just requires them to value other people and community more than valuing the ego boost of having a faster car and a bigger boat than the guy next door.
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/crash_course_socialism.md
There's an essay for you if you genuinely want info. I, for one, look forwards to having a post-scarcity star-trek utopia. Humanity has the technology for it it not yet, then at least very soon. Have a nice day!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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poerisija ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regulationless capitalism would probably be even worse than the current world situation.
ktcholakov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely true. Corporate autocracy will be the communism o the 21st century. I'm not for regulation of most products, but access to quality healthcare is one thing that many poor suffer from because it's all privatized.
crimekiwi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:57:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes yes yes! Everyone saying the things that make me wonder if I'm crazy for being the only one who thinks it. It seems so obvious. I can't enter discussions with people because if I say something that I identify with, it must be associated with either social justice or nazis, no in between. It's rare to meet people who don't assume whopping portions of your personality based on one trait. White? Racist. One conservative view? Must be alt-right religious kooky who wants to build a wall. One liberal view? Social justice warrior non-binary communist who voted for Obama. People don't focus on this shit naturally. They're told what's truth and believe in a manufactured society. We eat corn feed in all of our food and we're obese like farm raised pigs, for petes sake. We're livestock.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man yes! Pm for discussions man I'm open to debate.
Reasonable_Thinker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:57:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This!!!!
All I can think about are the 1%ers laughing at us as we bicker about gun control and abortion while they steal everything.
paleo2002 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:16:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy so much as how society has run for the past 100+ years. Pit immigrants against the poor, televise it to scare the middle class into compliance.
Wages have stagnated? What're you going to do about it? Demand a raise, get fired, and become one of the poors you see on the news?
GenocideOwl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read about the Sinclair Broadcast Group, How they own huge swaths of local news channels and radio stations. Or watch this to get a good idea.
Xumayar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I think of Democrats and Republicans I think of House Lancaster and House York during 15th century England.
They both vie for power over each other but it's more important that the common populace stays powerless.
amfoejaoiem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes wealthy people the enemy?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buy bitcoins, this single thing is a huge threat to established power and money systems.
Sure it's being manipulated by those with power and money, but it doesn't change it's usefulness, just pushes the price up and down so that anyone with a little knowledge can earn money whilst it does so.
It's not the big solution to the problems in the world, but it's a huge start. The key point is decentralisation.
Now is the time to buy in on it.
ShallowendPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:42:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dog, look up the Builderberg Group. That shits real.
KittenTendies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably the greatest hoax that the right has pulled on the American public. I spent about a year living in an area that was largely rural and low income, I was astonished at how many people I met who were on disability/Medicaid/other forms of social welfare who were always convinced that other welfare recipients were just sucking up resources and keeping their own taxes "too high." They've managed to convince a good chunk of the lower and middle classes that there is always someone poorer to blame, some welfare queens or brown people, who are the reason that they aren't wealthy. Yeah, keep the finger pointed at them and don't look at the tax subsidies that corporations are getting or consider that the ultra rich should pay more taxes. I mean, they convinced these people who typically vote for "the guy they could have a beer with" and who disavow "elitists" to elect a wealthy, arrogant, real estate tycoon...
skynet2175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really is unreal.
I feel like we are in the darkest timeline...
jonnythebutcher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is definitely been happening the world over for a long long time now. Now it's just hitting our home front.
whattocallmyself ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this could be true. Its very clear that the media is promoting racial tensions. I feel like someone is trying to incite a race war, but too many people realize that race is a stupid thing to fight about. But media is still pushing that angle.
Subwayhobo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there is a group going around trying to pit the rich and poor against each other so they can expand government powers
SwallowTheTruth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:46:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds funny because the poor outnumber them and would decimate them....one would hope.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So socialists?
JimmyBoombox ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:21:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, just ignore the countless centuries... actually millenniums of us fighting each other over skin color, ethnicity, etc. All the rich people's fault.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't true then just as it's true now.
JimmyBoombox ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, your ignorance is outstanding.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:06:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And same with yours :)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:14:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't an edgy SJW opinion, respected historians like Howard Zinn would tell you that the rich pitting the rest of us against one another is a strategy older than the United States.
JimmyBoombox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:38:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And people disliking others that are different from them for any various reason is older than recorded history.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hannyu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the leftist version of how Trump got elected then.
F1reatwill88 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:02:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol what do you think is going on, a bunch of rich people meeting up every Tuesday to discuss how to keep the poor people down?
SwallowTheTruth ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:09:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that stupid but more complex you're a good to ignore it or you're shilling for them either way scary thoughts from you.
F1reatwill88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understood the first 6 words of that sentence.
What do you think is happening though? People on Wall Street don't care about you or poor people. They care about money. I'm sure there are a few ass holes at the top of some of the major banks trying to manipulate things, but on a wide scale people let their own well being and greed get the better of them. That's it.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the problem, you take those assholes string them up for the masses to take care of and show them as an example for the rest of the wealthy.
FacelessFellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people at the top, the ones that don't even need money, they're the ones who make decisions that keep them in power. War keeps the world busy, distracted, and divided. It's not a club of evil people. Absolute power corrupts absolutely
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:52:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with saying "the people at the top" and such is it's easy to discredit because people think you're referring to jewish folks or illuminati or whatever. It's not some organized group doing stuff, it's just that the mentality of a lot of hyper rich people, and by extension big corporations, just make decisions that benefit themselves or at least avoid inconveniencing their own interests. People just plain aren't clever enough to run a super secret worldwide conspiracy.
But it's human nature. A lot of people have to choose between a charitable decision, a selfish one or an apathetic response. There's a large enough percentage of humans that make selfish decisions. When rich folks do it, it has a lot larger radius of influence than a regular person, same with corporations. If I decide I hate a product then that's basically it. What am I gonna do, convince everybody I know that it sucks and be the guy that hates that thing? Who cares? But if Nestle or a billionaire decide that then they can really have a huge impact on that.
Doesn't matter anyway. Even if we had a class war or western civilization revolution, the guys who win would eventually become the bad guys anyway. French Revolution is a good example of that. Oh and America.
gaslightlinux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's history. Unfortunately it takes a majority knowing it to not repeat it.
pugwalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wealthy hate each other as much as anyone else though. I have relatives many would call "super rich" and it's pretty clear that they are as divided as everyone else except the issues are more related to government spending and taxation (Koch/Mercer/DeVos vs. Soros/Buffett/Gates).
CorkyKribler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I'm ur relative and I forgot what my bank acct # is
Can you text it to me buddy / nephew / grandson? I have a new phone that gets texts via Reddit PMs, thank god I found you here
pugwalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its 1234
Pulp_Ficti0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's nonfiction, not a conspiracy.
K3R3G3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100%, divide and conquer, not just black/white, all groups and all types of media distractions
"Hey! Look at this! Hey! This is your enemy! Hey! Look what happened over there, not over here!"
CraftKitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a conspiracy, friend. Welcome to the light. You now know what will end the American experiment.
coleosis1414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:52:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting theory, and it'd make a good book, but I honestly think the answer is simpler and sadder:
People have a "marginalization" fetish.
A few years ago, it became vogue to be the underdog that society is stomping on, and everybody staked their claims all at once.
"It sucks to be gay."
"You think THAT sucks, imagine being gay and BLACK."
"You think THAT sucks, imagine being gay, black, and polyamorous. Nobody understands me."
It became a fucking competition. Who gets to claim to be abused?
There are a lot of legitimate gripes, and I understand how difficult it can be when you're, in some respect, not somebody that society deems "normal". But nobody wants to get labeled as the oppressor, so everybody rushed to claim a share of the "oppressED" pie.
"I can't be part of the problem in society because society hates me too, don't you see? I have an out."
There's a threshold, somewhere, between "i am a person and I demand to be treated with respect" and "I'm so completely self absorbed in my niche identity, and all the things that I expect you to do to avoid hurting my feelings, that I'm impossible to interact with."
I don't think it's a conspiracy; I think that people have decided that there's virtue in not being cis-white-male, and they're all climbing over each other to be the center of attention.
millsGT49 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just do not believe there are secret meetings where "the rich" are getting together and saying, "the media needs to focus on more race relations so we can keep enjoying our wealth" lol or is it more likely that race bait sells and the rich people in charge of media like to make money? I think the latter.
Edit: Typing on Mobile
tunersharkbitten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except this isnt just a theory... its absolutely real.
ChesterCopperpot96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Divide and conquer
busterbluthOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm...
PM_MeTittiesOrKitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is what North Korea does. The North Korean government has this massive hate boner for America to take attention away from their terribleness.
Hannyu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1984 should have been a warning notice, not an instruction manual.
auxiliary-character ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soros?
humanysta ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:36:13 on January 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is one of the good guys.
Pattriktrik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Divide and conquer is being played out by the media to distract us from whatever our government is up to and we're falling for it hard!!! Personally i think they want another civil war so they can implement martial law and put people in the fema camps! If you've never researched fema camps and fema coffins I recommend it! Its a ridiculous rabbit hole and is pretty sketchy! There's places throughout the country where there's these coffins (that can hold like a family of 5) stacked wicked high and go for miles! There's a fema camp in Alaska that can hold like a million people, their creepy ass hell and all connected to railroad tracks...they look like concentration camps with double barbed wire fences and all...
Also who's to say china and russias secret service won't do what our alphabet agencies do all the time. Fund groups to overthrow the government, it's a scary thought... Also look at george soro's who's believed to have funded the blm movement
telegetoutmyway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the YouTube channel Bright Insight, and his video about the 6 CEOs.
Hiredgun77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I became a lawyer. Rich people like us. When the cull happens they'll need us to help with the paperwork.
gregoriohombre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sanders actually explains just that in this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBBbdvUzbog
razorbackgeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a particular group of people...
pabodie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world's cultures have become hundreds of attention markets. Prurient, hateful, and salacious media sell really well becuase humans are too often unable to resist temptation. This is why Putin is able to use viral news as a weapon against us. It's a two way street. Every time I hear my beloved Rachel Maddow lay down the facts against those guilty of exploiting us, I am grateful for the good work her team is doing, but also mindful that millions of educated people clicked on stories about Pizzagate and one weird trick Hillary Clinton uses to steal from your uncle. Our appetites have been weaponized, and, since we probably cannot stop the attackers without jeopardizing our more important freedoms, like press freedom and freedom to (even digitally/virtually) assemble, it means We are the change we've been waiting for. It doesn't help that our "president" has tried so hard to confuse the issue to salve his ego. His followers now think the Washington Post is fake, and Alex Jones is to be respected. But, again, deep down, I believe we know better. We just have trouble resisting temptation. This is behind many conspiracy theories. We, the consumers, are the complicit. The markets we provide for UFOs and Bigfeet and JFK and Birtherism and Trutherism are absolutely real.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not a conspiracy theory at all.
acenarteco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you're wrong but a similar phenomenon was happening before the market crashed and the recession happened. After 9/11 and the war in Iraq started, I was protesting the war and George W Bush's inauguration and it was blatantly obvious there wasn't a united front. People were protesting the war, gay rights, pot legalization, etc. in a very divisive way even before Occupy Wall Street was happening. All of those issues needed to be addressed, but the anti-war movement fizzled out very quickly in those days. That might be more of a conspiracy...split the issues so people recognize stagnation and eventually give up. It explains a lot of the failures in protest movements lately.
stink3rbelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a tale as old as time. It worked for feudalism, it worked for early slavery, and it keeps on working.
pingasthrowaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true for everything. They use religion, political parties, and more to cause strife. It's classic Littlefinger behavior. Reap the benefits while others fight, you barely have to involve yourself at all.
c0nn4h ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rothschild family... >.>
RagingStallion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is true. News channels aren't trying to cause a divide, they're just trying to make money. They get the most views and make the most money with polarizing stories. They choose and spin stories based off what will get the most attention, which just happen to be dividing issues.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Divide and rule.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pssst I'm a communist for exactly this reason. Capitalism inevitably creates this situation.
NotQuiteVoltaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Divide and conquer
JesterOfSpades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warren Buffet
Makkel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:33:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I understand what you mean, I think this highly overestimates what "the rich" are... I do not think there is a special club of rich people who just meet every Wednesday to plot how they could make poor people fight each other. The world is much more complex than that...
Skyvoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what happened when indentured servants were getting too expensive in early America. The laws started to treat blacks poorly, (I.e. You must maim slaves by cutting off fingers) while they simultaneously gave poor whites privileges. Before this working class blacks and whites got along fine. The first person to own a black slave was actually a black man who was part of the elite in Virginia then they took all of his stuff once the laws changed to divide the poor from coming together against their real enemy the oppressive elite.
KassandraComplex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't this something Adam Connover said on Adam Ruins Everything? I feel like it is.
littleski5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oldest trick in the book
-whycantistop- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conflict being the answer is a common theme in the Trilateral docs: http://trilateral.org/file.showdirectory&list=Trialogue-Series
pecklepuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're all just soldiers and slaves to them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you're describing is not conspiracy, but a traditional practice for elites to maintain power.
88mphTARDIS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Switch "rich people" with "government" and you make a good point.
SwallowTheTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One in the same it feels.
humanysta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:51 on January 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The excuses for racism sometimes are astounding.
LHOOQatme ยท 422 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Candy Crush Saga is rigged in order to try and convince you to throw your hard-earned money in their direction to acquire power-ups. They sporadically make it winnable in order to make you stay clinged, though.
Don't believe me? Play Bejeweled and Paris Hilton's Diamond Quest and then compare the consistency of the difficulty level with Candy Crush's.
StudioGamaii ยท 331 points ยท Posted at 04:28:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Less a conspiracy and more how all free-to-play games are designed to make money.
aris_ada ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:39:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't even hide this, at conferences they exchange tips on how to be more addictive and how to keep the whales. This business has more or less the same ethics as a street drug dealer.
MKibby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whales?
aris_ada ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:16:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The tiny fraction of users who're spending fortunes.
http://www.businessinsider.com/super-whales-are-spending-over-10000-on-social-games-2010-6?IR=T
TheFriesofHorus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:18:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I did a study on this and it's pretty nuts. They hire the same dudes that help make casinos inescapable. The games are designed to get you hooked, and then ramp the difficulty right when you're most vulnerable for wanting "one more hit".
xyroclast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:01:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the major reason why they're usually considered to be objectively bad games - They're designed to be at least slightly too hard to be fair. Otherwise you'd never have to buy anything. It varies, though, and some games take a higher road by keeping the game fun but making payment necessary for cosmetic items, or to reduce grinding, but keeping the game fun for free players as well. You just have to weed through the crap to find the gems.
CraftKitty ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:36:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a conspiracy, that's a common development strategy. And it's why the free to play model is fucked up. All of em are scams that try to take advantage of those who are more prone to this kind of spending addiction. It's fucking evil and there should be a goddamn law, imo.
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theoretically, isnโt there one? Isnโt there anything somewhere in Consumer Law that punishes deliberatedly deceptive products?
...could it be considered as a light form of extorsion, maybe?
CraftKitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well... No. The best way to cover it is to regulate it in a similar nature to casinos. Including age restrictions.
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Or ban predefined result chargeable โgamesโ altogether)
AMAQueries ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:56:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on level 1090 in Candy Crush Soda. I whole heartedly believe this.
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, 1090? Seriously, how many levels are there?!
AMAQueries ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think every update they add more. I have no idea how many there currently are
Man_ning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:56 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on 943, never put a cent into the game, but I do believe it, sometimes a super hard level will suddenly get lots of nice colours all in a row, does make me suspicious, then back to nothing good again.
octopus5650 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:08:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-memory edit and anti cheat tech was good enough to stop me before Candy Crush. Why, then, was it ridiculously easy to use the simplest of Cheat Engine tricks to win every level of Candy Crush?
hollyinnm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:49:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are these apps you use? Sorry, not a tech person.
the_millionaire ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:46:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the first two are measures used to prevent cheating. CheatEngine is a program that lets you cheat (woah) in a lot of games.
duuuuumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he's saying it's weird that Candy Crush doesn't have good anti-cheating capabilities? Sorry, also trying to understand the comment.
the_millionaire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:18:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, he's surprised it's easy to cheat. I'm guessing he's on android. Cheating games on non-jailbroken ios is pretty much impossible.
duuuuumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then to answer their question, enough ignorant people could be counted on to waste money on Candy Crush that they didn't feel the need to spend money adding anti-cheating? Anyways it seems if you could cheat on Candy Crush there is no point to it anyways? I've only played it for like maybe 30 minutes in my life but it seems tremendously pointless if you could cheat... granted I feel that way about pretty much all games. Thanks for the response, in any case.
the_millionaire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:28:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem. i feel like since it's a single player game, there's no real benefit in cheating. You'd be cheating yourself in the end. The game is addictive for its play style. Cheating kills the play style. So they don't care much about cheaters. It's more serious on multiplayer games. 8 ball pool comes to mind, they ban you the second they detect any sus activity
duuuuumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense, that multiplayer games would be more susceptible. Still, what's the point of feeling proud that you have a bot that can win a game for you? The feeling of succeeding on your own with equal odds is so much more satisfying. Granted, I mostly play multiplayer games locally, or mostly shit like darts and pool randomly. I never cheat with them because it wouldn't be any fun to win if l did. I guess I can see how if someone's up against millions of people, with no chance of even being decent, it would feel different. Although at that point I'd say just play a different game, personally.
the_millionaire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the times it's just boredom. I'd be lying if i never cheated or fucked around with mods in some of my favorite games. As much as I despise cheating, especially in multiplayer, there's something about bypassing the rules that makes it so attractive. You play a game for a while, it's great, you despise the cheaters, etc. But, as much as you hate it, you want to try it to see how it is. I'll admit it's stupid fun the first few days but after that, it completely numbs that original dopamine addiction. The game gets beyond boring and you go back to regular play or just leave it altogether. I'm sure most "cheaters" can relate to this life cycle.
duuuuumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf there was one time when GTA Online glitched and I was invincible in the free play mode. I stormed around the map messing with people. Eventually I got kicked by the players(fair play) and when it reloaded a new map I was normal again. But it was tremendous fun while it lasted, though I feel like it would get old faster than playing competitively would, all the same. I get what you're saying, though.
octopus5650 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Desktop, and this was like 3 years ago. It was the web version, and I'm saying, if they wanted me to buy the in game shit then they should make the game harder to cheat.
the_millionaire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The weak anti cheating measures are most likely purposely designed that way. Cheaters cheat, but that means they're still addicted to the game, which means there's still a chance they'll click the random ad, and maybe even eventually buy shit. etc etc, = happy player, happy devs
especially seeing as it's a single player game. The cheating hurts no one.
octopus5650 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess so. I just saw it like some freemium games, where you need to pay to have a shot, and anti cheat is strong.
octopus5650 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:55:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See other explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6tuyxo/what_conspiracy_theory_are_you_certain_is_true_why/dloxv4o/
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because those who know of simple cheat engine tricks are a ridiculously tiny parcel of the population that could potentially give them free money.
KevitoMG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:14:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Paris.
Hoffmeisterfan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:43:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not a conspiracy. It's real and documented everywhere lmao
ExParrot1337 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:45:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
dragonthemagicpuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're paid by them to convince us to play their games so we'll then be hooked.
TofuTofu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a form of gacha, a well understood monetization technique for mobile games. It's not a conspiracy.
MasterChiefGuy5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was common knowledge that King was a cash cow.
LooksAtClouds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are not helpless in this - either don't play the game or have some self-control when you do play. I've been playing for years - maybe 10-15 minutes every couple of days and never given them a dime. One thing I have noticed is that if I'm not playing for a while and come back CC falls all over itself to let me win and give me boosters.
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't play it anymore. Their gimmick irritates the crap out of me. Shit ain't a game when the outcome is predefined.
boogiemanspud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is literally how "free to play" makes money. They are designed to be frustrating, not fun. Any free to play with timers, busywork, etc. just feeds on known human emotions/reactions. Also see casinos.
I avoid f2p like the plague. As an adult, I have limited time for gaming, so I don't want to spend it grinding and waiting for timers. I also don't want to have to pay to avoid said things. If the game isn't rewarding or at least fun in and of itself, it's a waste of my time.
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, except for the generalization. FarmVille was f2p, yet it was fun even if you didn't pay a nickel.
Outside that, yeah, f2p sucks.
PleaseGetMoreUpset ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I want droves of amazing content but FUCK YOU if you think im paying for it"
boogiemanspud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:14 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You misunderstood that. I pay for content. I don't pay for freemium shit. If I want a good game I buy it. I have over a thousand games on steam that I paid for. Money for entertainment isn't the issue. Having games that make you grind, have timers, etc. that just waste my time is the issue. I've bought probably 50 games for mobile that don't have the freemium model, paid to remove ads from game I enjoyed etc.
It's about a game being fun, not something frustrating that makes you spend money to avoid frustration.
DoctorAbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I'm good.
thankyoumrjackpots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this about the more recent FIFA games too. No matter how long you play that game, you never seem to get to the point where it does what you expect it to.
__Ninjacat__ ยท 861 points ยท Posted at 20:12:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That op is conspiring to make me read all these posts and believe the 9/11 and JFK theories.
ThisSavageWay ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:12:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP is puppet for Big Time-Waster.
auniqueusername227 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just look at facts and the rest will sort itself out.
ikilledtupac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:02:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately we have the 9/11 Truth Commission!
aesu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one can make you believe anything...
Or can they?
The_Man_in_Black_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This whole thread is my risky click of the day
Wealthyontheinside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious, is there a story behind why you chose that username?
__Ninjacat__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my uncle was driving me and my cousin to see my great grandmother when I was 5 and to keep ourselves entertained we wrote short stories (not very good ones but we were 5 and 6) And mine was about a ninja being bit by a radioactive cat.
KingOfAnarchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even better: OP is from the goverment, they are currently planning some huge secret shit and want people to talk about something else meanwhile.
Shirikatsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real conspiracy is why this is the first post/comment in the top 200 that even mentions 9/11. CENSORSHIP
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding 9/11, what happened with Building #7? It was never hit by a plane and it's one of the furthest buildings from the towers yet it still collapsed. Doesn't add up...
johntron3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:56 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh the JFK assassination was pretty sketchy
cake_is_lie ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 01:08:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Tommy Wiseau, the eccentric and questionable writer and director behind The Room, is actually D. B. Cooper, the man who hijacked a plane for a ransom of several million and then jump out of the plane with the money never to be seen again.
AdamDeKing ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:44:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes a lot of sense, He is always avoiding questions about his origins (for example, NC's Shut Up and Talk), Greg (the guy who played Mark) said he is older then he seems, DB Coopers drawing matches Wiseau very well, plus Wiseau just appeared out of nowhere with a lot of money and made a movie.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:29:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard this but it makes so much fucking sense
hicow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:02:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it doesn't. Wiseau isn't nearly old enough to be DB Cooper.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's plausible since no one really knows how old he is or even where he came from. Says he may have been born in the 50s, which is a stretch but still plausible. He looks pretty damn old too. Harrison Ford was born in '42 for reference. And it would make sense because no one knew where all the money was coming from while making The Room and they thought it was a money laundering/organized crime thing
Peil ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:17:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was born in Poznan, in Poland
barto5 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:54:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's BS. The money DB Cooper stole was all marked and it's never turned up in circulation. It's a great story but the - by far - most likely scenario is he died somewhere in the wilderness where he jumped.
hicow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:30:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would have been far too young if he'd been born in the '50s. Cooper was estimated to have been around 40 at the time, and most of the suspects were born in the '20s-'30s. Wiseau might be young for his age, but I doubt he's that old.
JacP123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:43:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.xkcd.com/1400/
Since nobody's linked it yet (somehow...)
daneoid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:52:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha Ha Ha, What a story!
Footinthecrease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is, wiseau would have been 4 years old during the copper heist. Or you believe wiseau has a forged birth certificate. In which case he would be between the ages of 68 and 75 based on descriptions of cooper. No way he's that old.
cake_is_lie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Timmy Wiseau looks like he could easily be 70 so I would not rule out that possibility. In fact many of his colleagues have said they believe he is much older that he says he is. A quick google search will show that this man has a very unclear and sketchy background that warrants suspicion about his history.
qernanded ยท 542 points ยท Posted at 20:07:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda late to the party, but the US is in Afghanistan to put pressure on the surrounding countries (China, India, Russia, Iran). The US has been hostile to most of these countries, and may want to keep some in line, or to make sure they don't try any funny moves. But if you see where Afghanistan is on a map and it's neighbors, you can see it's the perfect military base.
[deleted] ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 01:54:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Counterpoint: a country that's good as a military base is equally good as a hub of international terrorism, the stated goal of US involvement in the region.
Bee_Reasonable_Plss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Small price to pay when you consider risk-reward. Attack a US base vs. global influence?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not true. That kind of centralized location is useful when your assets are as large and cumbersome as the US military. But terrorists are typically one or two man missions (at least today), so being in afghanistan if your target is in china isn't really that much more convenient than being anywhere else in the world. So if you are a terrorist group, either way your operatives are gonna hop a plane/train and get there ahead of time by like a day, so proximity isn't as much of an issue.
[deleted] ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 02:16:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Through Afghanistan we have the rest of the region under our direct influence, keep in mind that the Suez canal in in the area as well and the fact that Saudi Arabia is set to get rather spicy once the current king dies and the 5000 princes start squabbling.
lightning_knight ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:47:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we already have bases in Djibouti, Kenya, the UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, and more. British bases in Cyprus and elsewhere could also be used. Afghanistan is pretty awful relative to all those.
JadeFrogs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:11:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Additionally, Afghanistan is landlocked. All supplies have to be brought in via the neighbouring countries, at great political cost. Furthermore, the locals are not adversed to taking the odd pot shot at your security forces. On the upside, Afghanistan has beautiful scenery and landscapes.
thetarget3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:14 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suez is in the area of Afghanistan? You might want to take a look at a world map again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is close enough, or at least the coastal routes are.
(I am going to neglect to mention that I was arguing about saudi arabia somewhere else...)
weasdasfa ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:57:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This also ensures India and Iran can't trade between themselves. The instability also fucks up any land possible trade routes between Asia and Europe or in-between Asian countries.
yangyangR ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:46:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But were they really going to use a land route for that. No this is where the efforts with KSA come in. You can't have Iran closing off the Strait of Hormuz again so you make sure the South side of the Persian Gulf is in your pocket. Another example being Kuwait and Bubiyan Island.
weasdasfa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:36:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
India were gonna buy fuel from Iran using INR, but US came in and said nuh-uh. We'll sanction you etc etc.
number1eaglesfan ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 06:27:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Afghanistan was the picture of stability before US involvement? An investment opportunity just ripe for growth. Lol!
HoodedNegro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it was actually...just stable under Taliban rule is all.
KA1N3R ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 01:51:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously.
Hard power in geopolitics is all about power projection.
That's why the US has so many Aircraft Carriers and Military bases all over the world.
CreamyGoodnss ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:39:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a perfect military base. Afghanistan has shit for infrastructure and it's not a very stable area.
It is, however, a very strategic location. That's part of the reason the Soviet Union invaded in the 80s.
xXxNoScopeMLGxXx ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:46:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This actually makes a lot of sense.
thejosephfiles ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are misusing hostile dramatically. Things haven't been great with those countries but there have not been open hostility with most of them for 20+ years.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now, North Korea, on the other hand.... wowza
ST07153902935 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:47:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea is just 1 country away from Norway, we should invade Norway for its strategic location.
mrcassette ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:09:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
johnlaurits.com/2017/truth-north-korea-history-united-states/
ShredderZX ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:10:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US is hostile with India? Wasn't the last time they were unfriendly the Bangladesh independence war of 1971?
ReggaeMonestor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More control over the area. Read other comments, though it's not hostile it seems..
bookofthoth_za ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War? What war? This is our new home away from home!
riptaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:36:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might make sense if NATO and Iraq didn't exist. Not to mention aircraft carriers. A decade long trillion dollar war for one shitty midsized airfield... =\
Bee_Reasonable_Plss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:45:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes obviously you know more. Nato is not as powerful as you might think. And to suggest Iraq is a pillar of stability is ridiculous.
But I agree. Aircraft carriers are essential. That is why we have 10x as many as anyone else.
riptaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno why I said Iraq, I was thinking of Turkey. NATO being powerful or not is beside the point. We can use airspace and military bases in other NATO countries, projecting our power.
Bee_Reasonable_Plss ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 09:58:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turkey is for sure more reliable than Iraq, I will give you that. But I can't help but think you made that "typo" intentionally.
And to your second point, I'd rather not trust anyone other than ourselves. To suggest any nation in Europe is capable of or dedicated to protecting the West from islamitization is up for debate to say the least. They are letting everyone in and have seen a noticeable uptick in terrorism.
Remember the recent attack in London?
If your answer is anything other than "which one", you are full of shit.
riptaway ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:17:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a typo. It's an entire word I spelled that way intentionally. It's just not what I was thinking of. Not sure why you would think it was intentional? Not sure what the point would be.
Anyway, until aircraft and troops and vehicles can travel thousands of miles in minutes and over ocean, it doesn't matter what you'd rather, we need foreign bases to conduct foreign wars successfully. At least, if we want boots on the ground and for those boots to stay there, get fed, get rotated out, etc.
And islamitization? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking about more or less conventional wars, or at least wars conducted by our military against forces in other countries. Counter terrorism is completely different and certainly doesn't require the logistics of an entire army.
You're kind of losing the plot here
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:23:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:26:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... how is mixing up Iraq and Turkey in any way misleading to the point of benefit? Yes, they're both muslim dominant nations, but we have military bases, NATO alliance, and nukes in Turkey. Iraq, we just have some bases, but they're not very relevant to the conversation aside from his typo.
But as far as NATO goes, it wasn't created to defend against Muslims. It's a treaty that was formed in response to the Soviet Bloc. Had Ukraine been able to become part of NATO, they probably wouldn't be in their current state. As it stands, NATO is likely one of the key factors protecting Poland from any Russian aggression, and absolutely deterred Russian/Soviets from messing with Turkey and put us in striking distance too.
Unless an organized army of Muslims come out of nowhere and invades Europe (or Turkey, which is kinda Europe-ish). There are no fundamentalist muslim militaries who could pose a threat to any single NATO nation, let alone any muslim nation willing to get their ass kicked by doing something so stupid. We (the USA) sell guns to most of the idiots. They're too busy fighting amongst themselves to be a threat i.e. Iran vs Saudi, Saudi vs Yemen etc.
riptaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Have a good one, retard
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 10:50:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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riptaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is we? I was in the Army. I walked around Baghdad, Iraq with impunity while the local population snivelled and the people fighting us hid and pissed themselves when we rolled by.
So who are you waiting for?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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riptaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. What country? Are you retarded or maybe disturbed?
whichNour ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The opium too! Big business
All_Hail_Krull ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opium production for the CIA to sell to fund their black ops missions.
phd-holder ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot Pakistan. Probably enemy #1 besides Saudi Arabia.
weasdasfa ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:53:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pakistan has been an US ally for 70 years.
phd-holder ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:01:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Who needs enemies when you've got allies like Pakistan - state sponsor of terrorism..
Peil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:19:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, the United States or Pakistan?
phd-holder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice attempt at misdirect. But Pakistan 100% is.
Were it not for politics, we would call Pakistan the shithole that it is.
mrcassette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and once they had nukes they couldn't really do much about hem anyway...
Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let India deal with them. They're nuclear too, and have way more people. Plus, they're too busy being at each other's throats, and India has Muslim Bangladesh behind them because they don't get along with Pakistan either.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Political_moof ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:34:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gee, idk, there was that one time the most wanted man in the world was living in a compound miles from the Pakistani equivalent of West Point.
In fact, the Obama admin was so mistrustful of their "ally", that he ordered a military op that brazenly violated their airspace and sovereignty and only alerted them when he knew it would be impossible to tip Osama off or capture the military team.
phd-holder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the details of the proposal. Of course, it did not pass.. Were it not for geopolitics, Pakistan would be called out for the shithole that it is.
gaslightlinux ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:53:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you don't know geopolitics at all.
phd-holder ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:02:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Geopolitics is the only reason why we haven't bombed Pakistan back to the stone age.
gaslightlinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are our allies, but not necessarily our friends. They are definitely not enemy #1 and #2.
phd-holder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At best, they are allies of convenience. Both are huge threats that destabilize the region and fund terrorist activities that target the US/West/Other nations.
Pakistan and Saudi are enemies of the free, peaceful world.
gaslightlinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the phrase often used regarding the US and these countries is "You can pay a girl to fuck you, but that doesn't make her your girlfriend."
It's a complicated situation, that simple words like friend and enemy don't work for. I mean what do you call it when you give country A $X billion dollars so that they can fund organizations to destabilize country B (thereby making it letter-of-the-law legal for you) and they then skim a percentage to destabilize other countries (including you!)?
lightning_knight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Afghanistan doesn't have any ports, especially deep water ports, which makes it shit for logistical operations and therefore as a permanent military base.
skljom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and also drugs
expletive-expletive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To add to this, read the Grand Chessboard, written by the foreign advisor to 4 presidents and the foreign advisor to Obama during the primaries. There is a reason we helped push back USSR from Afghanistan only to set up bases throughout the Middle East to then call for a "new Pearl Harbor" to invade it ourselves. 9/11.
number1eaglesfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to break it to you, but there is absolutely zero cohesive US foreign policy. I wish there were, and I wish some smart people were actually orchestrating SOMETHING, but, there aren't smart people in high places in government (because there's no money in it) and what there is, ain't up to anything that makes any sense. Incompetence. That's all there is. It ain't sexy or glamorous, so it'll never sell.
PM_ME_MAMMARY_GLANDS ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 02:34:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The earth is flat.
Well, I mean, locally and in very small areas.
Fartingboi6969 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:30:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a 2 story house.
airportluvr416 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is all the proof we need. case closed
CalvinMurphy11 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:14:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I mean where do people think Mesa, AZ gets its name??? OPEN YOUR EYES, SHEEPLE!
Xtinasauras-rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about Table Mesa road? How do people not see this!
DonJuanBandito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought you were kidding. Table Table Road is actually a thing.
frogjg2003 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:13:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference in horizon between the a spherical Earth and a flat Earth is less than a degree.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:33:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats still twice the apparent size of the moon
frogjg2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.askamathematician.com/2012/08/q-if-earth-was-flat-would-there-be-the-horizon-if-so-what-would-it-look-like-if-the-earth-was-flat-and-had-infinite-area-would-that-change-the-answer/
I was technically correct.
rshacklef0rd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:28:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This explains why you can look across lake Michigan from Indiana to Chicago and see the skylines, with the buildings being on the same level and not lower from the curve of the earth.
Wiki_pedo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:38:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if you put your binoculars/telescope on a spirit level, so you'd know if you were actually looking perpendicular to where you're standing, instead of directly at Chicago?
ZomboniPilot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Florida, can confirm all flat around here.
parkaprep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm moving shortly to Saskatchewan. Will report back.
PM_ME_MAMMARY_GLANDS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, Saskatchewan. The jailbait of Canada.
parkaprep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say Nunavut is literally underage but then I realized that someone born in 1999 is now eighteen and then I felt old.
PM_ME_MAMMARY_GLANDS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:28 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I didn't even think about that, haha.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 492 points ยท Posted at 19:15:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Banks & the government artificially and cyclically raise and lower flood insurance rates to gather, then sell real estate.
The cycle goes something like this.
Property values rise, water view properties rise faster, but also need flood insurance. Flood insurance rates are lowered so water front properties can really explode.
Insurance and government decide, fuck it, let's raise flood insurance (happening now). Rates go up until the right amount of people have to foreclose. This can be timed to go with a general downturn in property values (they should level off in a year or two).
Eventually, people can't afford their properties. Also, waterfront property values will drop if insurance is insane. So, people who can't afford their bills and also can't afford to sell (sellers who would have to bring cash to closing), they let the banks take over - foreclose - on their property.
Over time, the banks/government acquire lots and lots of properties. Now, they want to maximize these assets. So, they drop Flood Insurance because they can, then people start buying in again at low rates. Then, the land values skyrocket again, and the cycle begins anew.
*Oh, and while I'm at it. Snapchat is perfecting facial recognition tech that governments/advertisters will use for mass surveillance. "I can't believe big brother is trying to record everywhere we go... Hey big brother, can you scan my face so I look like a dog?"
VdogameSndwchDimonds ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 21:30:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Federal Flood Insurance is something that I don't think should exist. If a private insurance company won't insure your home then there's a good reason why, and the government shouldn't subsidize people's homes like that. People in the west don't get subsidized earthquake insurance and people in the midwest don't get subsidized tornado insurance, so why give people near water special treatment?
bende511 ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 00:11:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flood insurance is really tough on a private company because the risk is highly correlated. With most kinds of home insurance, like for example fire insurance, the risk that all of the homes insured by the same company catching on fire at the same time is low, whereas with flood insurance, the risk of all the homes flooding at the same time is nearly certain. So in the event that a payout is needed, the insurance company is certain to go bankrupt, and the homeowners will also be fucked. Hence the need for the government, which can afford to take a loss, to sell flood insurance in particular.
Princess_King ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why all the major insurance companies don't cover hurricane insurance in Florida. Our house is insured by some fly-by-night company that almost certainly wouldn't be able to pay out in the event that our brand new, up-to-code, fancy-impact-glass-having house is damaged. Hope FEMA has their shit together if it ever happens, because that's who we'd be relying on.
Eshin242 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:08:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope Trump actually appoints someone to head FEMA as well as NOAA. Might be nice to have someone there to do the job when it happens.
dbag127 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:49:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know an equestrian trainer who would be perfect for the job!
skynet2175 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*When it happens.
Princess_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Point.
alpha_player_hereAMA ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:08:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an example of government correcting a market failure
anti_dan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, its government hiding the true cost of living places that flood. Just a regular old subsidy for a politically powerful group, and a great example of public choice.
alpha_player_hereAMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is a subsidy. So in your view, nobody would live on the coast, basically deleting all industry and tax income there, unless they could afford to personally insure themselves?
anti_dan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People would totally live there. Rich people. However, the home prices would be cheap. Yes, it would reduce tax income, for those states from property taxes, but that money could be made up in sales taxes because now the people pay less for rent and prop taxes.
People lived on the coast long before federal flood insurance, and people lived along the Mississippi in flood plains before it as well. Housing was just cheaper, and people who worked there got a kind of "hazard pay" in salaries.
recidivx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that what reinsurance is for? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinsurance)
drawdeadonk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since the government can manipulate the weather I have a hard time thinking this isn't a conspiracy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:09:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why all the earthquake insurance in California is actually managed by The California Earthquake Authority, regardless of what company the homeowner bought the insurance through. Because last time there was a large one a lot of companies folded or played games with payouts.
TofuTofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that what reinsurance is for?
VisserThree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If no company can make it work, then perhaps we shouldn't be building houses in these areas.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. A place can be unlivable for five days out of a 10 year period and it doesn't mean no one should live there. It means people should plan for those five days to not cause catastrophic consequences.
There is no place to live that has no risk of catastrophe. The unique nature of catastrophes that affected everyone in the area at once is something a private company can't weather.
It's like living on an island that needs a bridge to access. None of the individuals on the island can afford the bridge, themselves, but together and over time the bridge is totally affordable. But the time component of the equation is important.
Apply the time portion to the flood insurance equation and it comes out worth building there. You just can't expect a private company to keep that kind of money lying around waiting an indefinite amount of time for something bad to happen. Businesses don't leave money lying around. They can't and they shouldn't in order to stay viable. But they need access to large amounts as needed. That's what the subsidies do.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:20:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the least worse scenario. Floods generally aren't localized and when they occur, they damage huge swathes of property. Insurance companies are too inept or can't charge enough to cover these losses.
So, after a big flood, if all these people are suddenly homeless and can't rebuild, then what? The government is still kind of on the hook for their well-being anyhow.
awesome357 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:22:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That last part is the real kicker. The government would have to support those people anyway if they list everything Might as well get them to help pay for it in the form of premiums. And then they have the ability to Tenille and become connecting members of dickey again target than being on government assistance after they lose everything.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On top of that- OP stated tornado and earthquake insurance. My completely uneducated guess is that we do not need people living in earthquake or hurricane prone areas. We DO need people living near waterways. At least historically, anyway. This country ships billions of tons on waterways every year.
It's a tenuous guess, though.
awesome357 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:18:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well earthquake, tornado, and hurricane prone areas are huge areas. If nobody lived in those you would disqualify over half the country from being habitable.
VisserThree ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also tornados/earthquakes don't tend to knock out zillions of houses all at once. They might damage a bunch of houses but they won't demo them the way a flood will.
painahimah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:03:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most insurance will cover tornado, but certain areas will have higher deductibles for wind and hail. Earth movement (including setting), earthquake, and flood are catastrophic losses that can hit a very large area with little to no warning and most insurance won't cover.
drawdeadonk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:18:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They may be on the hook, but they shouldn't be. It's create a moral hazard. If the government wasn't involved real estate developers, insurance company's, etc. would be forced to find a solution to the problem. The solution probably isn't apparent now, but that doesn't mean there isn't one that doesn't include the government.
Cypraea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:49:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because rich people.
Rich people and their fucking multimilliondollar barrier island homes in hurricane-infested latitudes.
Disposable, replaceable mansions, with Mother Nature doing most of the demolition.
painahimah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the California Earthquake Authority is a thing...
Frykitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is I am required by the federal government to have flood insurance now. If I am ever caught not having it, it could be on a rental property or a homeowners property I get nothing. FEMA does not cover you if you don't have it. However you can be hit by a tornado and the flooding and FEMA will cover both events.
Thankfully I can afford this, many people around me can not. So the federal government subsidies. Many people still can't afford it even at this discounted rate, so if they have another flooding event they will be unable to repair their homes. (This has already happen and I know people who are living in homes that should be condemned but they have no other place to go)
drawdeadonk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know maybe, juuuust maybe the lending standards should be a little higher in these areas. It may not seem fair, but neither is having the tax payer cover the bill when you can't afford to fix your home. I understand some losses may be total losses, and not everyone would be able to totally replace their home. Then again, they probably shouldn't live in an area prone to flooding.
Frykitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you never have to use FEMA. The state of Louisiana pays into it. Every state does. It's like the state paying insurance to the feds. FEMA does not normally supply enough money to rebuild your home. They do provide loans that have to be paid back and emergency cash assistance so you can get into a hotel in a safe location and buy a few necessities. Most of FEMA money goes to the state/local government to repair the damage. Like streets, drainage, etc.
As for living in flood prone areas, well that's a lot of places. Rivers shift, as seen by the massive flooding in Northern states along the Mississippi river. Northern Louisiana had flooding where it had never flooded before. California, Arizona and Texas also experienced flooding. This isn't to account for Hurricane Sandy that decimated the North East a few years ago. It's not like people are sitting here waiting for their houses to flood. Flooding is often times unpredictable, but once it's happen you must maintain flood insurance. (FEMA will assist you for the money your homeowners and flood insurance doesn't cover. Say you had 100k in damage, only 90k insurance, then FEMA will provide you a 10k loan)
Frykitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:23 on August 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you ok with the current storm? Do you need help? Do you need info on FEMA claims? I'm not trying to be patronising, I am genuinely concerned about your well being.
ikilledtupac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's non profit. We won't insure someone with cancer either unless forced by the government. What kind of world would that be?
WhiteRaven42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:59:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since flood insurance is so cheap even when "high", this makes no sense at all.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone buys a house they can barely afford, which is common, then property values go up and taxes along with it. Then Flood insurance goes up a couple hundred a month, this can be quite a burden. Any extra financial strain at this point can lead to foreclosure.
Also, different types of flood zones react differently. The AE - 1/100 annual chance of flooding will stay flatter than say the VE - velocity flood zone along a river.
The banks make money all the way by servicing these flood insurance policies. Then banks make more when the rates rise. Then people can't afford it the banks get the land, then they really make money.
kosmic_osmo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
only if youre incredibly stupid and cavalier with your finances. youd simply sell the home first.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:55:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been going up 25% a year and the insurance folks I talked to said it will continue into the near future. Funny thing is, I don't think rising water levels play a role in their methodology.
ikilledtupac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:06:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I'm an insurance agent and even if flood insurance rates went up 100% it's still cheap as shit. Less than homeowners.
What they do do, though, is increase the areas that require it in the first place, which increases the fund.
halidelicacy99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Canadian that works in the real estate insurance industry. Canada has laws against the bank side of a company and insurance side being under the same management to prevent issues like this. (conflicts of interest)
kosmic_osmo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
umm what? why do you automatically lose your home if you cant afford the associated costs of ownership? you sell it to a willing buyer. maybe you lose money, maybe you make it but you dont lose your home to the bank.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, a lot of people stay put. There are a lot of costs to selling a house that can ruin any profit margin. Most people don't have $20K to throw away when they SELL their house
kosmic_osmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Selling at a loss beats the bank taking it dude.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does it? Let's look at the later stages of the cycle. Say you bought your property after rock bottom for $500K, you're retired, on fixed income and spent a chunk on the down payment. Property values go up to $600K, then bottom up around $400K. So, you now have a house you can't afford, because you're still paying off that $500K mortgage and flood insurance rates went up. They're going up 25% a year, and that cycle has just started. FI rates on a 500K house would probably started around $6K-$7K a year. Every 25% increase is $1500 bucks. Property taxes can go up too, and there can be a lag effect. There are all the other expenses involved with staying alive that aren't getting cheaper.
So, if you're just trying to have a chill retirement with a nice view. You're in a house that is becoming increasingly unaffordable, so you want to sell. Your $500K purchase is now only worth $400K. Ok, how much equity have you put into it? If it's more than $150K, you may be able to break even, but probably not (closing costs). That means that a cash strapped person will have to come up with the difference, in cash, at closing, just to get rid of their house. In order to have a free and clear title, the bank is legally entitled to receive the remainder of that mortgage. No one will assume that mortgage that is $100K overvalued, plus that's just a mess. Furthermore, if the house is owned by some people who are scraping by, the house deteriorates quickly, roof leaks pop up, appliances start falling apart, etc. this all negatively affects resale value if they're not fixed.
What a lot of people do with a house they can't afford and can't afford to sell is just let it ride out. They'll quit making payments, quit maintaining until they're eventually kicked out. I've heard stories of people living in places for years before the bank got around to kicking them out. It sucks, but sometimes that's the least worst option.
Then the bank gets a ton of decrepit properties that they've foreclosed on (and let sit unattended for often years). They have 1000's of these properties. Now, it's in their best interest to unload these things at a higher price. What better way quickly increase property value than to lower insurance rates?
There are more factors at play, but I've rambled long enough, I hope it makes sense now.
kosmic_osmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't understand how any of this makes sense to you... Is this like a personal issue for you or something? Idk anyone that would pick losing a home to the bank for defaulting on payments over selling at a loss. Even a massive loss. The hit to your credit alone makes it insane.
Look I get people can't make mortgage payments for a host of reasons, but it's not because flood insurance breaks them. Only a fool would allow such a tiny thing to unbalance their budget and destroy their credit.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not personal. I sell real estate and invest. Even with the modest flood insurance rates we currently enjoy, it's a deal breaker with a lot of sales. I refuse to buy in flood zones. It's like throwing 2 months rent into a fiery pit each year. My one rental clears $750 a month, if that house was in the least risky FZ, it'd be about $1500/year insurance, maybe more. Most buyers don't want to deal with it, so, it lower prices in FZ's. Next year, the anticipated bump up would eat another month's rent.
The same applies for buyers. My mom even, she's in a FZ because of a manmade lake. If rates keep going up, it's more money into a pit. It's not going to break a lot of people, but from my experience, it's a very touchy thing, increases throw everything out of whack. People who are on the border of affordability, it can push it over the edge. A lot of people buy houses at the very top of their budget.
kosmic_osmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize FZ often equals water front which also equals higher rent than your non water front property right? You shouldn't be renting water front for the same as your non WF properties.
And again... How does 1k or even 2k a year push you to forclosure? That's such horrible money management. I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
hel112570 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually had a similar theory, but instead they'd force you out of your property with the property taxes.
cokestar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't property taxes paid to local governments though?
hel112570 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:35:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
kosmic_osmo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in the US, yes. your town, county, and state all have a say in the process but not the feds. you're also legally allowed to appeal your property's assessed value every year at both the county and state level, but theres nothing you can really do about the towns tax rate.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're related, no doubt. Are you thinking of gentrification?
number1eaglesfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about don't build a fucking house on low lying land and quit feeding the fucking machine? I'd love it if we got completely rid of flood insurance altogether. All it's done is encourage risky decision making. Libertarian wank fantasy, tho. Never gonna happen. People get the government they deserve.
LaserBeamsCattleProd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno how all that equates to a libertarian wank fantasy. This shit has been going on for years through multiple administrations
number1eaglesfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Flood insurance is a pretty popular 'program'. There's no way people are going to vote to get rid of it. And Libertarians like me are all off in la la land railing against the machine while it only grows bigger and stronger every year (even, well, especially under 'conservative' administrations). Our efforts have been mostly futile. I even consider concealed carry laws to be a failure, as one should never, ever ask permission to exercise a right. Fantasy, and in my case, withdrawal, is all we're left with. But hey, I'll have a nice view of the slow motion poo-pocalypse from here.
TehPopeOfDope ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 01:30:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that unhealthy dietary habits are encouraged in order to profit from the needs of an unhealthy populace.
ikorolou ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:15:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the Food Pyramid (wheel, plate, whatever they're calling it nowadays) is put out by the US Department of Agriculture, not a medical organization. It is, or at least was when I was a kid, a big promoter of grains, dairy, and meat because those are large sections of US agriculture. So definitely the healthiest diet choices,
for example promoting a fiber-rich diet over a diary-rich diet,aren't coming out of all government agencies. (edit: I picked a shitty example)HIPSTERfilter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But other organizations like the FDA do recommend better things now, something like a plate that I think was tied to Michelle Obama's initiative.
ikorolou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:48:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was just tryna give credence to the idea that some organizations put out something that is branded "healthy" when it has agendas other than promoting health.
2gig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:40:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plate "graph" from Michelle Obama's initiative is a huge improvement over the food pyramid (though pretty much anything would be, that thing was ass-backwards aside from telling you to minimize candy), but it's not without issue. Aside from being overly vague, the big issue is that it still underplays the value/importance of protein. Which leads into another conspiracy, actually.
Protein is the most important macronutrient. It's a huge part of what out bodies are built of, and one of the major building blocks that most frequently needs replenishing. Additionally, it is the most satiating macronutrient (you feel more full per calorie), which helps a great deal for losing fat and keeping fat off.
So anyway, the conspiracy... I think that if everyone in the United States was conscious of how valuable protein is to the body and attempted to consume the ideal amount of protein in their diet, prices would shoot through the roof. The farming of most protein sources (animal, which is also the most complete protein source for amino acid profile) are also pretty harsh on the environment for multiple reasons. Thus the government downplays protein's importance to keep consumption at sustainable levels.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The food Pyramid was created by Sweden in 1972 during a price raise in food to promote healthy eating habits using cheap food.
2gig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is, unless the Swedish pyramid is drastically different, it doesn't promote healthy eating habits at all. The portion of grain relative to everything else is insanely unhealthy.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the one in the US is there to promote American farmers
2gig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was put out jointly by the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Health and Human Services.
This doesn't entirely make sense. Fiber itself doesn't really do a great deal for health (it's nutrient void, but it'll help you shit). Fiber rich foods include vegetables, which are indeed very healthy for you, but that has little to nothing to do with their fiber content. Conversely, plenty of grains are rich in fiber, but they're still grains and loaded with mostly-empty carbs, thus not so great for health.
Moving away from dairy doesn't make a great deal of sense, either. Dairy has a good balance of macronutrients, as well as a decent helping of micronutrients. One of those macronutrients it supplies is a hearty helping of protein, which is generally the least abundant in other foods, and the most satiating (helps you eat less). A big problem with dairy is that people get the low-fat/fat-free versions, which are often loaded with simple sugars to make up for the loss of flavor, making them actually much more unhealthy. People need to get over the misconception that fat the micronutrient is primarily responsible for fat the adipose tissue on your body; it's just an unfortunate, misleading homograph.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fair enough I did pick a shitty comparison, and I will edit my original comment to reflect that
KravMaga16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely.
Elcatro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about something like this a few months back, how easy it would be to use special offers (Buy one get one free, half price, etc) to get people to eat the foods you want them to eat.
KravMaga16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Also processed sugar is in almost everything, so everyone is literally addicted. In the same way that an addict can't think clearly between drug usage, same goes for us with sugar.
There are many, many documentaries on this...all interesting and tough to watch with the knowledge gained.
FreeMan4096 ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 23:19:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best way to massively increase your wealth if you are multi-billionaire is trading currency in artificially designed wars.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:25:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps before 1940s. There were no major first-world wars since WW2, and you won't get that rich from speculating third world currencies (liquidity is less than you'd think). If you have the ability to start wars, there are many better ways to get richer (war financing, energy / raw resources speculation, etc.)
tl;dr commodities, not currency.
NicklAAAAs ยท 618 points ยท Posted at 20:14:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stevie Wonder ain't blind.
TCnup ยท 340 points ยท Posted at 02:44:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What people don't realize is that blind doesn't mean 100% loss of vision. People can be legally blind but still make out some shadows and lights. Not to mention after a long time of being blind, you get used to it and can function like a sighted person (like being able to hear where people are standing).
Source: uncle is blind from birth, and a former president of his chapter of the NFB. He used to chase me around the yard when I was little, had enough residual vision to make out human-blobs.
centersolace ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 04:22:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandparents used to volunteer at the center for the blind in Hollywood, and there are many different ways the eyes can fail resulting in many different kinds of blindness.
I've known blind people who can still "see" and even read, but theres no way that they would be capable of operating any kind of vehicle, or navigate a large city.
Stevie Wonder is irrefutably blind yes, how blind is a different question all together.
AssWilliams ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:19:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mother has been legally blind since she was a child. Can't see anything more than a foot in front of her face really. Ended up working out for me as all our TV's have been fucking massive to compensate.
LadySlySilver ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:22:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a woman who is legally 'blind' but she recognizes me before I speak to her most of the time. She's also an avid scrapbooker.
fort_wendy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:34:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to chase Lumpy Space Princess.
voiderror404 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 22:49:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everyine think that hes not blind LOL
[deleted] ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 22:52:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's actually deaf.
TappWaterStudios ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 22:56:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a video of him catching a mic stand from falling over. That's all I've seen of it.
beakye7 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:53:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of videos debunking that if you look.
daffyduckhunt ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:05:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would look but I actually am blind. Unlike somebody...
Wiki_pedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to help us by linking your favourite one?
beakye7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:36:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will take you the same time to find one that it took me, and I don't remember what it was called.
boogiemanspud ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna give you a tip. When you're interested in something, open up google.com. Now enter what you want to see in there. Entering something like "stevie wonder catching mic stand" would suffice, as would things like "stevie wonder not blind video". It's really easy, google will find the things you want to see without relying on other people to link you to things. The things you'll find while searching can be really interesting. Give it a try, you'll no longer be at the mercy of internet strangers to show you things you're interested in seeing!
deathschemist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:51:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
legally blind doesn't mean comlpetely unable to see anything.
a lot of legally blind people would be able to see their mic stand falling over and catch it.
NicklAAAAs ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 22:59:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch his behavior around hot women. He tries to hide it, but he can't help but give them the ol' once over. Cuz Stevie ain't blind #WakeUpSheeple
mattress757 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 00:28:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked with people blind from birth in a school for disabled children, that used to be a school for just blind and visually impaired kids.
I knew a few kids who exhibited this behaviour - there was a real temporary employee culture at the school at the time, and many were young (19-25) people from Australia and New Zealand. So there were plenty of attractive ladies working at the school at any given time.
This would usually have been seen as an awesome perk to the job, but that I worked in a class with a kid very similar to Stevie Wonder in a lot of ways. Talented musician, similar mannerisms, but this kid had high functioning autism on top. He did not like it when he did not get his way, and as he got older, "his way" was often to do with where the attractive lady staff were. If there was a young attractive lady in our class, he'd do exactly the kind of behaviours you mentioned. Much more touchy - far too much so for what most of us would consider socially acceptable. There were many problems regarding this conflict :/
They have other ways of knowing things in general too. I loved sneaking up on this kid for example and tickling him - mostly because he loved it and it gave us a chance to bond so he may listen to me more in difficult situations. I once decided I would stand on his usual route out of the lunch hall and onto the playground and be completely silent, just to surprise him - he was getting used to my sneaking technique by this point. When he got close to me he flinched as if he knew I was there about to pounce - but I hadn't moved an inch.
Needless to say this freaked me out a bit, so I asked him how he knew I was there. He said there was a "sound shadow". The noise of the playground dampened down an unusual amount - compared to what was normal for him.
I have a hundred stories like this, it's really amazing how the human brain can adapt to losing a sense.
Cutting_The_Cats ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:08:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa! My cousin does that too! I'll try and sneak up at her(silently as fucking possible) and she'll sigh, and say to get out of her way. I asked her how she knew i was there and she says "Idk, it's like when you say you feel someone watching you, well the closest feeling i have to that is a feeling like someone is near me in a quiet area."
Fucking fascinating. I really think it has to do with the electromagnetism the body can adapt itself to feel since it lacks sight. But idk
PCav1138 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:18:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more to do with the ambient noise in the area being "blocked" or "muffled" by your body. Turn a fan or A/C on in one room, and go into the next room with the door open. Now don't look, but have someone walk in front of that door. You'll know exactly when they step in front of the door because of the change in sound. The same is probably true with ambient noise, such as on a playground, but is more easily detected by people who rely on their ears more than those who don't.
spongish ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:14:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do spooky ghosts have any effect on these sounds?
PCav1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! If you believe in that sort of thing, perhaps. Maybe poltergeists, since they are capable of having physical interactions with objects, so they may interact with sound vibrations. I don't particularly believe in ghosts though.
JohnnyVegas666 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:28:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nailed it.
k9centipede ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eyes also have the ability to see without the mind knowing they can see. There have been studies of blind people being able to see movement even without being able to see.
If the eyes are still in tact, they can still be taking in data, just the conscious mind can't interpret it, but the subconscious mind can.
etssuckshard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yo that's some avatar shit
yeontura ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that kid has echolocation
mattress757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not quite that, we had Daniel Kish visit the school once and teach a few kids how to use it at a very basic level. He essentially knew the school backwards in his head - he'd been there since he was a small child. He was also very good at using sound already present as a way of echolocating, but it was a very self taught level. But he didn't make his own noise like Daniel Kish.
BsoGnarly ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then in 1998 the Undertaker threw Mankind 16 feet into a table
mattress757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
Smashum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that episode of Johnathan Creek with the "blind" musician.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:09:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of times I have seen people provide that youtube video where he "grabs" a mic stand... but the video clearly shows a blind man missing it lol
MableXeno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he had to pull up short at the last second cuz a blind man can't catch a falling mic stand!
beakye7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of videos debunking that if you look.
MableXeno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:53:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FAKE NEWS!
therealmuddabuhshit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and there are vids of him taking pictures
thecheat420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He sits courtside at Lakers games a lot.
Ohmannothankyou ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:28:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've met him, and I used to work with blind people. He's blind.
paintp_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:01:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least he's not black.
MableXeno ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:45:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yessssss. I was coming in to post this.
He's not blind. It's a prank. Or started out as a prank and couldn't be stopped once it got too big.
novacham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I walked into him (literally) while coming out of a guitar shop in LA as a kid. My older cousin stopped and told me who he was after.
_WokeUpInACar_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a video of him catching a mic? Could someone please find that?
88RCSB ยท 704 points ยท Posted at 19:44:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Jar Jar
PomegranateState ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 00:03:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was at the new premiere of Star Wars and the new evil guy goes "Youso right" in the beginning, I was like IT'S TRUE.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:57:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just say that and not give us a clip!!
PomegranateState ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:34:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/PAboVYPXkfU?t=128
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHOA! IT COULD COME TRUE! #FanBoySQUEEEEEEEEEEEE
GetOutOfBox ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:32:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what?!
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:51:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one true conspiracy.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:58:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to point out how popular the prequels got AFTER Disney bought them.
Too many grassroots "Darth jar jar" theories and /r/prequelmemes communities pop up and fucking love what we all agreed we hated five years ago.
Disney runs our lives.
NoAttentionAtWrk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:37:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While it might also have to to with the fact that they started making new movies recently.
Then again, the day Netflix put out a old show / movie, reddit is flooded with things related to it.
For example, they added Matrix to their collection recently.... And now all of a sudden bunch of fan theories floating around and "people" "randomly" quoting the movie or recommending it on comments.
When P&R was added, the exact same day a P&R department of an unnamed city was planned to do an AMA. But they all refused to identify themselves and all of them.... An entire department of people, claimed to have never seen a very popular show that is about their department
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:02:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah you're so right, no one has ever said that the prequels are trash before.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i was being snarky but i see what you mean now. sorry
Kwetla ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:34:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe!
Ridespacemountain25 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:08:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was originally written to be one of the villains (likely in Dooku's position), but George Lucas changed his mind after The Phantom Menace was released.
beboleche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AGREED
Incontinentiabutts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer darth darth binks. But yes this is the o my co piracy theory I subscribe to
UndeadFetusArmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to burst the bubble, but I'm pretty sure in a book that's considered Cannon Jar Jar actually dies as a sad clown.
GuoKaiFeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really like this one. Read awhile back.
HellaFella420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe it took me this long to hit upon the TRUTHโข
TheBigDaveWave ยท 482 points ยท Posted at 23:26:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK abolishes the use of the Federal Reserve and then 2-3 days after he is assassinated, LBJ signs the Federal Reserve back into use...
Lots of money to be made on supplying the US with Money on a 3% interest loan.
I believe that someone very wealthy had him assassinated.
Timigos ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:04:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you referring to executive order 11110? It's my understanding that may have limited the power of the federal reserve by some measure, but did not abolish it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
Pylons ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:33:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't even limit the power of the federal reserve at all.
grizzlyking ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:29:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My money's on Aristotle Onassis
Scarface_gv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:10:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think is safe to say John was murdered by a Joint operation of several agencies.. Not only because he wanted to limit the Federal Reserve's power but he also wanted to dismantle the CIA among other things as far as I know.
ikilledtupac ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:09:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LBJ was in on it, even JFKs wife believed that.
Qualanqui ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:24:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your pretty close but there's way more too it, basically there's been a battle waging between gold and silver standards for yonks (bryant v mckinley for instance) with the bankers/fed on the side of gold (rare, easily monopolized.)
What jfk did is order the minting of silver dollars which was a shot across the bow of the fed so they reacted, with extreme predjudice.
Fun fact, every assassinated president fought the fed and the fed won every time except for Jackson, that man was a force of nature.
Pylons ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:15:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true at all. The government had been issuing silver certificates since 1878. Kennedy didn't order printing of silver dollars - he actively pushed legislation to do the opposite and increased, not decreased the power of the Fed by allowing them to print smaller denominations of bills.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=9342
"I again urge a revision in our silver policy to reflect the status of silver as a metal for which there is an expanding industrial demand. Except for its use in coins, silver serves no useful monetary function.
In 1961, at my direction, sales of silver were suspended by the Secretary of the Treasury. As further steps, I recommend repeal of those Acts that oblige the Treasury to support the price of silver; and repeal of the special 50-percent tax on transfers of interest in silver and authorization for the Federal Reserve System to issue notes in denominations of $1, so as to make possible the gradual withdrawal of silver certificates from circulation and the use of the silver thus released for coinage purposes. I urge the Congress to take prompt action on these recommended changes"
number1eaglesfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the FED as much as anyone, but your reasoning isn't sound. All you have to do to make money (or slowly lose it to inflation) on government debt is to buy treasury bonds. The real outrage the FED has done, and acknowledges that it's backed into a corner now, is buying up wealthy people's bad investments (a bit of evil...for the greater good?). There is NOTHING new under the sun. All central banks eventually do this. Bank of Japan owns a majority of the Nikkei now. They're completely fucked and they know it. You can't print real production or real prosperity. There's no way for the BOJ, FED, or ECB to sell their portfolios without crashing the whole world economy. This can go on for several more decades, but eventually it'll have to stop. Prepare accordingly.
notathr0waway1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source for this sequence of events?
mrcassette ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110#JFK_assassination_theory
WinoWhitey ยท 1799 points ยท Posted at 16:08:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt I'm the first person to come up with this, but I've long believed that the reason the US always seems to always be involved in some military action is actually because the Pentagon wants to keep our military ready and trained for a more serious conflict. They want to make sure they always have combat experienced, battle-hardened veterans ready for a 'real' war should it break-out.
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 1325 points ยท Posted at 17:08:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not why the US gets involved, but it is well known and documented that an armed conflict every 15 years is somewhat necessary to keep soldiers experienced.
SexualPie ยท 344 points ยท Posted at 19:45:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand it in theory, but i dont know how well it works in practice. we have so many different soldiers all around the world, and the vast majority of them never see any of conflict or fighting. I mean, pilots will still fly, mechanics will still mechanic, and soldiers will still practice hiking and shooting and what not, but actual combat and not just drills, well its really quite rare to see that.
Noble06 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:16:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah but at least some have experience and they will rise in ranks to be the leaders in the case of a massive troop buildup.
SexualPie ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:22:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you dont just magically get promoted if you see combat. thats not how it works at all. i mean, promotions are different for different branches sure, but thats called a step promotion and they are both very rare, and very hard to get. that said, any medals or impressive things you've aquired can still help. but not as much as you might expect. link
Noble06 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:05:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if there is a draft like during ww2 the experiences troops will end up commanding the new ppl coming in.
SexualPie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:06:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose, but shit would REALLY have to hit the fan for that to happen. like, world war 3 nukes dropping. in which case, honestly, more feet on the ground wouldnt even make that big a deal if everybodys dying from bombs.
skylarmt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So any day now then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War these days is a bit different than WWII
sub_reddits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fighting an insurgency is very difficult for traditional armies who learn tactics from traditional field manuals. Having someone who has experience fighting an insurgent army is extremely valuable.
Drachen1065 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:56:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First people drafted are going to be discharged veterans. Itd be a bit before they got to people with no training at all.
thereddaikon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What he is saying is that if a other major conflict broke out, something that required a draft, then the veteran core of the military would form the Cadre of the new conscript military. He's not wrong. There is precedent for this and was a key part of early US military policy. If something like WW2 happened again you would see a lot of junior officers and reservists move up the grades very quickly as well as many of the prewar enlisted find themselves made into NCOs. Look at some of the better known commanders in WW2, many of them were O4 and O5 at the beginning of the war and ended up with stars on their shoulders before the end. Eisenhower spent the time between WW1 and WW2 as a major and by October 1941 was a Brigadier General. After almost 20 years as a major jumping three grades in less than a year is crazy to think about for the modern US military but it happened. By the end of the war just 4 years later he was the highest ranking allied commander. They had to give Washington another star so Eisenhower didn't outrank him.
ePants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even in an active war, the majority will not see combat. The more technology used by the military, the more support is required.
There used to be a saying in the Marines that for every pair of boots on the ground, it takes ten in the rear - meaning for every person in active combat, there are ten more who don't see combat but are enabling them to do their jobs.
Another old expression is that anyone not a grunt existed to provide "the three B's" - Beans, Bullets, and Bandaids (food, ammo, medical). They've since added more B's to the list of things grunts need to be provided with: Badguys and Batteries(Intel and electronic support)
The support infrastructure of the military is huge - the majority will never see combat, but that's ok. Only those who are expected to perform in combat need the intervals of experience to pass on their training.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well. There is the argument that you have to use your army in an armed confluct every so often since it would otherwise seem like a huge waste of money to your citizens.
hel112570 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It works well for all the defense contractors.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any stats on that? I feel like I know way to many veterans with PTSD for no one being involved in combat. I know tone is hard to read in text but I'm genuinely curious, not trying to cause a problem. I'd appreciate any insight you have.
bhamnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:30 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PTSD doesn't just come from combat. A huge amount of sufferers never saw a battle, and many didn't even deploy.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:31 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have any statistics but the idea that PTSD is very common in the military and has, apparently, nothing to do with being deployed sounds like bullshit. Obviously you can get PTSD without being deployed or even being in the military, but it's very common in the military for a reason, and I think that reason is that they are asked to put their lives at risk over and over. Do you have any actual information on this?
bhamnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:05 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2891773/
"Another large scale study of 50,184 active military duty and Reserve/National Guard personnel reported an overall prevalence of new-onset PTSD based on the self-report PCL of 7.6 โ 8.7% among those who were both deployed and reporting combat exposures, compared to 1.4 โ2.1% of deployers not reporting combat exposures and 2.3 โ 3.0% of non-deployers"
Higher rates there for those who never deployed, vs those who deployed in non-combat roles.
http://veterandisabilityblog.com/blog/4-examples-of-non-combat-ptsd/
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,060105_PTSD,00.html
https://www.va.gov/vetapp11/files5/1140463.txt
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:11 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused, the way I read that is that the people who were deployed and saw combat have more PTSD than either other group (~8% vs. ~2%). Combat of course can lead to PTSD.
bhamnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:33 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, thats right. If you refer back to my original comment, I said
It's a common misconception that veterans can only have PTSD if they were in the firefight - being shot at, and shooting others. You can see in some of those links its even been argued in court with regards to insurance coverage. However non-combat PTSD in veterans is an issue, and should be treated equally as combat related.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:29 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, people who are not veterans also have PTSD. It can be caused by a huge range of situations. I'm not saying anything to the contrary.
kosmic_osmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
came here to say this. where the hell would we even get the data. we havent seen very evenly matched conflict in general in over 30 years to even draw on this. i mean in history we could look for patterns, but it would be awfully tricky and i doubt anyones put in the work yet.
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:44 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you don't have other people actually shooting to try and kill you in those scenarios. Part of the training is simply being stoic in those situations.
SexualPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:38 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that 95% of the military never will have people shooting at them, even if we're in an active conflict. Wars aren't going to be won with infantry like they were 100 years ago.
I_Has_A_Hat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone must have misread that after 9/11 as an armed conflict lasting 15 years.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on them, I fought my war twice and got right out. Good luck next war suckers!
IrrelevantLeprechaun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
USA quite blatantly orchestrates the favourable conditions for war to break out all over the place so they can have an excuse to bust out their latest war tech.
riptaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... link to this documentation? And with 15 years in between "experience gathering", all those with experience transition out of the military, thus negating all that experience gained. Makes no sense
Qualanqui ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:26:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And to keep halliburton in cream
BackRowStudent ยท 407 points ยท Posted at 18:30:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And to test new weapon systems.
Latest theatres of war were/have been like the steps of testing in a laboratory.
1991 Iraq is sunny (no heavy rains, so you can test laser guided bombs at night), has plain deserts (to test ranged weapons).
2001 "We're doing well in dry, plain terrain, we should add mountains!" Afghanistan.
2017 Mountains, forests and some rain Korea?
BottleGoblin ยท 656 points ยท Posted at 18:47:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We've discovered that ISIS are really headquartered... in Wales"
ankensam ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 20:41:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Welsh are hiding weapons for committing crimes against sheep-kind.
Steam-Crow ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:58:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In their pants.
DoctorBlueBox1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:39:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the sheeps pants?
protosapiens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:18:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a sheap chot.
Freadan ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:02:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever played Worms? The Sheep are the weapon.
lightning_knight ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:39:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ISIS fucks sheep, Welsh fuck sheep. Coincidence? I think not.
x31b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SMD's. Sheep of Massive Defecation.
meta_perspective ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"They are ba-a-a-a-a-ad people."
I'll see myself out.
StandUpForYourWights ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trousers.
scoobydoom2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A penis isn't a weapon.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They came together over their love of sheep. we should have seen this coming
thejonnyquest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...in their pants.
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:00 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, that means New Zealands next.
ZAVHDOW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have WMD's. Welsh Massive Dicks.
Nymaz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:19:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was worried about that, so I asked one of my whale friends if he knew any other whales that were acting as headquarters for ISIS and he told me "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO", so I think we're OK.
LHOOQatme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I knew there was something fishy going on when I noticed the sudden disappearing of vowels, sir"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I knew they were up to no good, speaking that dark cthulonic garble.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of British forces troops train in the Welsh mountains. They wouldn't get far haha
LemonLimeAlltheTime ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:15:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's spelled "sunni"
Eternity_Incarnate ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:01:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well Shiite!
Mashedpotatoebrain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't testing weapons and training in certain conditions be done on your own land though?
Proctor_Gay_Semhouse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. In fact, it is. In every kind of ecosystem.Because America is huge.
Deathraged ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the military has bases and training areas in those types of terrain already
Wagnerous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to bother to refute your individual points dude, but Jesus, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk where I first read it (maybe /k/) but someone pointed out that we wouldn't have a lot of our more advanced military tech today if we weren't fighting an asymmetrical war against insurgents because in a full-blown military v military conflict we'd be more likely to just mass-produce what works rather than experiment with gadgets.
bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US military was moving much faster than anticipated toward the Iraqi capital in 2003 - logistics and supply is having trouble keeping up... record unseasonable sandstorms suddenly happen slowing progress and preventing Iraqi forces from effective counter assault while supply catches up with the tip of the spear... just a lucky coincidence of course.
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 683 points ยท Posted at 18:08:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you've never heard the term "military industrial complex"?
The USA has been in a wartime economy since WW2. No war? Economic collapse.
drawdeadonk ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 18:23:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the reason we are always at war, war is our biggest export.
eaterofdog ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:29:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are the #1 maker of brown-people-vaporizers
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:27:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CreamyGoodnss ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:27:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way we're going to war with Russia any time soon. We can't cut off Dear Leader's preferred source of golden showers
kerrrsmack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pew pew
bsmith0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah just like 1984.
SITB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War is a Racket
CreamyGoodnss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it is certainly very noisy
ASPRuneQuake ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:49:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US Military is our big, socialist jobs program. Even if you're not employed directly as a service man or woman, the many military contracts keep American manufacturing, engineering, and shipping companies busy, busy, busy. American taxpayers are funding military expansion that outpaces our ability to use it, because if we didn't, unemployment would rise until our government figured out other initiatives to create jobs with.
Trumpcard672 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:50:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Former Federal contractor here, no one has Washington by the balls more than Defense contractors. They have the leverage to always always get their money, regardless of our government's political make up.
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy can probably describe this much better than I could.
BeachBum09 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true but slightly misleading. Yes, the US has a military industrial complex. Yes a decent portion of our economy is based off of the military. However, this is sort of misleading as it makes it seem like we purposely export war and look to seize upon any opportunity to do so.
In WWII there was a huge demand to produce supplies needed for the war. Women for the first time started working in factories to help the war effort. Companies that never produced military equipment or supplies shifted some or most of their production over to making supplies. Motor companies shifted to making planes and other vehicles for the war. Textile companies manufactured uniforms, blankets, and tents. Not only did established companies switch production but new companies sprung up. The US even kept this ramped up production level going right to the end. They weren't sure if they would use the bombs on Japan and weren't exactly sure if they would work like they expected. The estimated amount of casualties for taking mainland Japan were estimated to be so high that the purple hearts produced in advanced were still being given out up to a few years ago. So they produced all the supplies they thought they would need.
Then the war ends. It was very much so a world war with many nations involved. Some of those nations were decimated. Their countries were taken over by Germany or Japan. Their men conscripted into service for the Germans in Europe or massacred by the Japanese in the Pacific. Their military equipment was either destroyed or taken over by whatever occupying force was present. Part of the reason for Germany and Japan continuing it's taking over of countries/land was to procure supplies for the war effort. The countries were drained of supplies, military capable men, and had to rebuild.
Now the US remained as the only super power left. Germany was destroyed, surrendered, and was disarmed. Their military might was no more as the war and later surrender degraded it's capabilities. Japan was forced to surrender and was in a similar situation with it's supplies. Japan was also forced to disarm itself and to not build up a military.
So the US is not decimated. Our country wasn't involved in battles fought on our soil (past pearl harbor). Our factories weren't destroyed and were instead running at peak output and have been doing so for the past few years. The US also had a shit load of supplies, weapons, and other military equipment. All while being arguably the lone super power at the time.
Being a smart country the US realized they have to find a way to get some value from this surplus. They already have this military. We need to establish trade with the now decimated countries to both help them back up and to keep our economy strong. So the US goes to these countries that were destroyed and says "Hey, we'll be your ally. We got this big ass military nobody will fuck with. We got your back bro. Just give us a good trade deal with your nation." Now the US has multiple advantageous trade deals with multiple nations. The only trade off being an agreement to lend a helping hand if someone messes with one of those nations. A trade off of offering something you already have a surplus of. Not even something tangible like "Here are 4 ships" but "we will sail 4 ships to your coast if they attack you." This worked for the nations that were trying to recover too. They not only had to face the prospect of rebuilding their nations from the ground up but also faced the issue of trying to rebuild their military with an already decimated military capable population. It's advantageous to them to be allies with the largest and strongest military when they are in such a vulnerable position.
The US used what they had a large abundance of to make economic and trade deals with countries that had a need for it's abundance. They offered protection and an ally. Not even a tangible thing. This is why the US gets such a bad rep in the "exporters of war" category. It's because that's what we sold to countries to make deals. In our lifetime 1945 is 72 years ago. A long time in which we feel much change has occurred. In the grand scheme of things and looking at a longer timeline it's not that long ago. There are still veterans living today from the war. To put it into perspective, some people still living today were alive during a time when the entire world was waging war. The mentality of governments and the economic, political, and social impacts of the policies and laws made after the war stick around. A major event occurred in our world which isn't quickly forgotten. Decisions made after the fact in attempt to prevent the same from occurring again are taken very seriously. They don't just degrade or change so quickly in 72 years.
So yes, it seems like the US is always involved in conflict somehow. However, it is also the deal we made with these countries years ago. It would look pretty bad if the US reneged on said deals when it came time to cash in.
Sorry for the long winded reply. I dig history.
Ravenwald ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I always pictured the US (speaking as an American) as the kind of country that would worry the entire universe. We'd sell to one galactic civilization to destroy another. In fact we'd probably destroy galactic civilizations over nothing, just to stay sharp.
Vault_34_Dweller ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:50:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We wouldn't have an economic collapse without war. A minor recession, sure, but not a collapse
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes a collapse.
Two thirds of the USA economy depends on continued military growth.
We can compare numbers if you like.
Vault_34_Dweller ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, two thirds of the US economy does not depend on continued military growth
NakedAndBehindYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering defense spending is only a few percent of GDP, I really don't believe this. Obviously a sudden stop to all of it could destabilize the economy, but a gradual decrease during a peacetime wouldn't do much damage.
C377 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:32:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me introduce you to the F-35 fighter jet, completely useless against any modern fighter but has parts produced in 48 states and built in multiple states by several companies.
RIPCountryMac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:54:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Describe to me how the F-35 is "completely uselss against any modern fighter"
PM_WITH_TOTS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The F35 is going to be sold to a massive number of NATO and pacific allies, in large quantities. It's also an incredible 5th gen fighter with insane technology.
I wish idiots wouldn't just read shit and not do even a little bit of research themselves, and also understand that technological capability that puts you a generation ahead of your rivals is a little valuable.
C377 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:08:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way a single fighter is going to pay for a 1.45 trillion in development costs. Its a waste of money for a toy. Oh boy and we have less than a hundred in use. The primary navy variant isnt even in use yet. Did I forget to mention that experienced fighter pilot found the older F-16 fighter to perform better in dogfighting scenarios. Its a subpar fighter, interceptor, and Bomber. The damn thing is an example of Pork barrel politics at it's best. Meanwhile while this plane has floundered in developmental hell, the navy has been trying to find a cheaper, newer replacement. Stop falling for a sunk-cost fallacy and actually look at it.
PM_WITH_TOTS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:06 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, it shows the rampant abuse of government contracting and the choke hold Northrop and Boeing have over the DOD, I agree there. It's stealth is unmatched and the 360 view technology is groundbreaking
C377 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some fair points you have brought up though.
webtwopointno ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:05:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up old articles from the early days of the f-16 and you will find the exact same armchair gripes
C377 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, pretty much every major nato military doesn't want the damn thing.
C377 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Total developmental costs of over a trillion dollars and has failed to deliver on its most important promise of a modern vtol capable fighter. Also finally went into service, i forget, like half decade behind schedule.
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... I'm not certain I want to get into a discussion with you about the difference between military spending/growth and gross domestic product.
Military investment is not a growth industry unless... _________
Bay0net ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The companies that make arms don't profit nearly as much as one would think. It would hardly collapse the economy. I read once if you took all the profits each company makes and added it together (the profits from arm sales) it totals like a quarter of Apples annual profits. I just did a paper on Raytheon and the $2 billion in profit they make a year is 1/3rd that of Philip Morris and half of McDonalds - companies that are right around the same size according to the Fortune 500.
But what is happening is that the US does have a vested interest in keeping these companies going. If they stop making weapons as it's no longer profitable then the US loses that capability. We decided as a country after WWII not to have to build an army from scratch every time we go to war. There are only two shipyards that make surface warships for example. You want at least two going for some competition and redundancy. It's all about keeping things going in case it really needs to get ramped up
EDIT: Typos
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The companies that make plastic benefit from the wartime economy.
Every materials industry does.
You bring up an excellent point about the arms industries also profiting.
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The MIC is a one factor behind arms sales/interventions, but to attribute us imperialism to it alone is plain wrong.
omicron7e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what way have we been in a wartime economy?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not, not really. You're not at pre-WW2 levels but nor are you cranking out a tank every fifteen minutes like you used to.
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is the number one employer of men aged 18-25 in the USA?
What industry hold the greatest level of expenditure of the US budget?
I could write you a goddamned book on this, how is this not blatantly obvious to you?
omicron7e ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate your polite response and look forward to reading your book.
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate your dignified sarcasm and will send you a copy with a personalised ink blot of my penis in the back. :)
lucien15937 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like something straight out of Metal Gear Solid
The_Pale_Blue_Dot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kojima did take a lot of inspiration from the military industrial complex conspiracies when writing MGS. It's especially a theme in 2 and 4. Guns of the Patriots really does explore his idea of what will happen if the MIC reaches a natural conclusion, what with the whole "war is to the 21st Century what oil was to the 20th" line.
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that's a video game. That's about it.
scrignutz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:47:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conflict seems to come with being human, but on a pure numbers basis, this is the most peaceful the world's ever been. (Not that they're aren't some powerful psychopaths with the ability to change that real quick .....) But we really are a more diplomatic species than we've ever been, at least as far as written history goes.
My favorite conspiracy I want to be true is the New World Order, because a globalized "national" government wouldn't be without conflict, but it would be without major or even overt conflict. Weirdly enough, this was a fantasy of Ronald Reagan's: That aliens would threaten the Earth and we would come together as one planet to battle the space monsters .... and presumably remain a one-world government afterwards, which would certainly get rid of a lot of hassle with mailing and customs and duties.
darklordoftech ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The concepts of wartime and peacetime have been obsolete since 1945.
skepsis420 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:15:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh the last time we went into war out economy collapsed so Idk about that. Then It did it again 2008
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Just wow.
No. You are wrong on so many levels. Well, not wrong, just accepting a gross misinterpretation on one hand and horribly wrong on the other.
anusthrasher96 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:21:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never thought of that before, very interesting
ccbcc814 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:00:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im curious that assuming thats true, What are they waiting for? Whats the big bad enemy that their afraid of? Russia? Aliens? Canada?
Bimmiq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Civil?
supraman2turbo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont necessarily think it is being afraid of anyone but I think we want to remain ready to fight anywhere or anyone if need be.
KarlSweatshirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly aliens.
philstein1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:14:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no the privatization of natural recourses thru military force is the primary corporate subsidy. industrial age fossil fuel cartels, weapons manuf., drug companies, are so used to free shit their business models would collapse without it. and let's not forget central banking because all wars are bankers wars.
h2man ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:55:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War is big business... check how much weapons manufacturers contribute to the American economy.
Also, rebuilding the war torn countries is usually not done by local companies...
sparky_sparky_boom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The numbers look good, but does it really contribute to an economy when your work goes into making disposable missiles instead of infrastructure or R&D? The average citizen would be much better off if the government didn't tax their earnings and divert it into military spending. It's essentially the broken window fallacy.
h2man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:39:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why was Halliburton rebuilding Iraq? Ensuring trade and getting contracts in war torn areas is big business.
sparky_sparky_boom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have been more trade if Iraq didn't need rebuilding in the first place. Just look up the broken window fallacy.
Horyfrock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:06:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The parts and materials to make the missiles have to come from somewhere.
sparky_sparky_boom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those parts and materials could have gone into cars and computers instead of missiles. What's going to improve the life of an average more? A new car to drive or a bomb dropped in Afghanistan?
one-eleven ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:30:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed it's because a significant portion of the US economy is based around the military and wars. Can't just tell 15% of your economy to take a break for a few years.
WinoWhitey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:38:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that plays into it, but also in order to be prepared for more serious wars you need to make sure your arms production infrastructure never erodes. Really the best way to do that is to keep it continually producing the best products. I'm not making a moral judgment here, but it is rational.
JimmyBoombox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US arms industry isn't anywhere close to 15% of the US economy. US arms industry made $209.7 billion in 2015. US economy was around 18 trillion that year. 209 billion isn't even 10% of that.
one-eleven ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:13:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but there's a lot more than just arms that go into war.
beware_the_spooks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:24:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. huuuuuuu.. hahahahahahahhahaha yeah let's go murder a few thousand people just to keep us top combat form. Better yet let's choose regions where we can influence domestic propaganda and further a tyrannical establishment!!
riptide747 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:53:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's because billionaires get billions more in defense contracts.
dramboxf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:09:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Dad, who was of draftable age during the Vietnam conflict, (enlisted in the Marines, never saw combat,) had the opinion that the US got involved in so many wars (and he died in 1987, waaaay before even the 1st Gulf War) was so that the officer corps of the various military branches could get the combat command experience required to be promoted.
Lemonsnot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US sells its military services to the world like an economic good. Don't have a military, Japan? We'll trade you. Don't have a military, S Korea? Tradesies!
Yagami007 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:39:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a conspiracy, that's military management 101.
Also, you have to sell your old used weapons to restore some money back. This means you have to sell weapons to terrorists. Then, you blow up the terrorists for verification of the newer weapon systems. Evolution man..
Herpinheim ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:49:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eeehh, more like the US keeps a standing military around the world so the rest of the world doesn't have to. Everyone wants to insult the US having their troops everywhere until Russia detects oppressed minorities or China claims your fishing waters.
supraman2turbo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah a few NATO members fall short of their commitments, who takes up the slack? the US
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:25:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are the wars we're fighting now, if not "real" wars?
Just curious to know what you think
WinoWhitey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:32:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well for one Congress hasn't declared war, so they are just 'military actions'. However, we are also fighting enemies who don't pose any significant threat to our sovereignty or have a realistic chance to mount any kind of invasion. Essentially we aren't fighting to defend our existence.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:37:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I see, that makes sense, thanks for elaborating!
mcapozzi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:51:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your theory is close, but the truth is we continue to engage in armed conflicts because a significant portion of our private industry is devoted solely to government and military contracts. The United States makes and sells more weapons than any other country. The CEO of Lockheed-Martin threatened former President Obama that he would lay off 10,000 people if the defense budget was reduced.
Lockheed was granted 38.4 billion dollars in government contracts back in 2009. I would expect that number to be as high or even higher now.
Most of the employers where I live are government defense contractors (upstate NY).
ElePuss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winter is coming.
awesome357 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O doubt experienced because a lot of people are 4 or 8 and out with the military. Bit it does keep them funded if they can consistently show that there is a need for them.
Rios7467 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also play "war games" which are used a simulation for such an experience.
checkmate3001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it'd make more sense to encourage military spending and to justify the investment in designing and building more advanced weapons for sale to the highest bidder. The US is a military development complex and it uses the weapons to force the hand of other nations. It is a bartering chip. The US has only political power to gain in the mutual destruction of multiple nations. It's a risky business, but it's business... and business is good.
ThaChippa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:44:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take that part out!
Korrathelastavatar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's because they're trying to make a philosopher's stone
WhoWantsArniePalmies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A large amount of today's US military personnel have not been to combat.
MrWigggles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. After world war 2, it became the defense goal of the US to be able to sustain two ongoing conflicts on both coasts.
But also after WW2, the US kinda came out on top in a lot of ways. One of them was our infrastructure. The other issue, is that that Europe was in shambles. Just beacuse WW2 was over, didnt mean Europe wasnt in need of an army. And the only folks that could still keep an army standing? The US. The same with Japan. With China. Lots of places.
And this isn't even counting the USSR. And the cold war that started as soon as ww2 was over. Lots can be said about that.
But overall the US was elected to be worlds Police.
And through world history, there been no country more able to anex the world, and hasnt. Thats weird. Every county before then, that had the ability to exercise that ability, they exercised as hard as they could. The US doesn't act only in the best interest the world. The US acted for itself, and that largely beacame best for the world. And largely, thats been pretty okay.
thecauseoftheproblem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rotating troops through an active theatre saves on training costs
Shit___Taco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Holy_DiverX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a conspiracy mate, that's a pretty common stance for every professional military.
Thatonegozer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it more that the pentagon wants to be in wars so they get more funding from the goverment? In Europe fighting in wars is not as important to the people so there is less and less support for an increase of the defense budget
WinoWhitey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:36:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but Europeans also reap the benefits of America's strong military in that NATO ensures that should any other state threaten them, the US is obligated to intervene.
mattress757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that may be a part of it. When you look at the money arms companies make, and how small a percentage of that they need to use to lobby the government for a harsher foreign policy, it becomes pretty obvious it's not the main reason.
gaslightlinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the real war? Perhaps an internal revolution. The military gear and training trickles down to the police when it's done. Live test it in the third-world.
Koulditreallybeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or there are just always groups of assholes somewhere getting out of control.
CoolbreezeFromSteam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it were true than that would make the US Military the most unethical/immoral military in the world. Aka assisting in the killing of one side of a two sided battle just for the experience in a fight that has nothing to do with the US. And then some random lie is given and the propaganda machine churns out some more stuff and the cycle repeats.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Korea has been brewing for a while. Once war breaks out, something like ten million people will die in 72 hours and a further ten million soldiers will be deployed. I wouldn't be surprised.
SlackjawDonuteer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WWII did this to us. We were caught largely off guard and aside from some general officers many didn't have experience in the First World War. Couple this with the nation still not ready for war despite ramping up military spending and having a draft in effect and anyone who passed sophomore year history gets why the US doesn't want to get caught with its pants down. They may not agree with the reasoning, but they understand it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever heard of a government stimulus package it's essentially how the military industrial complex works. Government creates demand and keeps people employed by having a large military--government pays US businesses to outfit that military--That money goes to the US employees of those businesses--Those US employees then spend that money elsewhere within the US.
This is an inefficient way of spreading that money around but consider all the stakeholders who have an interest in it operating this way.
Taylor555212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so I've thought about this a lot and for years bitched and moaned about the MIC, and I still think it's not ideal, but:
We made the bretton woods agreement. Look that up.
ghetto_riche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The military-industrial complex is well documented. Basically, bullets are the perfect product: non-recyclable, and the more there are, the more are needed. Check out Why We Fight or Bowling for Columbine.
ikilledtupac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, its about the petrodollar
Saxon2060 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the reasons (there are a few) countries like Mongolia and Pakistan send a lot of soldiers to UN missions is so that their large armies get some deployment experience, something countries like the UK and US don't need because we do our own wars, thankyouverymuch.
It's nothing new and makes total sense that armies require at least some experienced soldiers who have seen operations.
(Other reasons include it costing loads to mobilise our advanced militaries and would be financially bad and arrogance/control i.e. "you want to use our soldiers but put them under the command of someone we might not choose? No thanks." Hence, the members of the security council send loads of soldiers from non-member countries on missions but won't deploy their own other than a few in advisory capacities.)
namdeew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And because the military budget of US is so huge that it would destabilize the infrastructure of the country if they don't go to war
Lrobluvsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know it's easier to be the "top dog" when you are constantly destabilizing other countries.
TexasThrowDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about money. Training is just a side-effect.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the Pentagon is much more concerned with the economic impact made by weapons manufacturing and sales than they are with having highly trained troops.
lexushelicopterwatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Eisenhower spelled it out clearly. Military Industrial Complex. Wars make money.
eqleriq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you think THAT'S why?
lessmiserables ยท 371 points ยท Posted at 19:37:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joe Jackson had a sweet thing going with The Jackson Five, especially breakout star young Michael. So to retain that money making voice, he had him castrated.
That would explain Michael Jackson's behavior, his seeming inability to "grow up", all the weird sexual things, etc. I mean, he named it Neverland Ranch for crying out loud; Freud doesn't need to hit you in the face with a frying pan to decode that.
And I know he has kids, but this wouldn't be the first time someone paid someone else to have their kids for them. Heck, knowing how jacked up that family is, I would not be shocked, shocked if one of the brothers did the hard work for Michael so it would at least resemble him.
Smoldero ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 04:19:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get why people believe this, but I think Michael's upbringing was so scarring and abusive that it lead to his many personal issues.
His behaviour as an adult was so extreme though, so I do find it intriguing to consider.
Michealmas ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 21:39:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jackson was actually a castrati....seems plausible but unlikely. Personally I'd just guess that Joe Jackson was probably a paedophile in addition to being physically and emotionally abusive. I have absolutely no evidence to support the idea, it just seems like a reasonable conclusion.
MableXeno ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 01:56:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's also a theory about adolescent molestation/abuse that stunts the emotional growth of the victim. Leading to things like baby voice (where someone sounds like they're faking a child's voice, but they are obviously at an age where it should've changed to an adult voice), immaturity, sexual promiscuity...
It wouldn't even have to be castration.
webtwopointno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:12:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Minnie Mouse voice. shut your eyes and picture how old they are, that was their age when they were molested.
Shakes8993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:11 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I hear someone talking like this I want to punch myself in the face and hopefully knock myself out so I don't have to hear it anymore. I get that it's sad that someone may have come across that voice because of abuse but, damn, do I hate when someone talks like that.
JeffDenlon ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 00:11:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there is definitely got to be more to the story as to why Michael's mom is determined to keep Joe away from the kids.
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 01:58:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joe is why Michael started with the nose jobs.
He didn't want to look like his father anymore.
It wasn't because he didn't want to look Black (because he loved his grandfather), but any resemblance to Joe had to go.
Roxanne1000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:10:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that case he must have seen the vitiligo as good luck
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, "luck".
Trap_Cubicle5000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My personal theory is that Michael got all the plastic surgery to look like Brooke Shields, whom he was very close with for a long time. I think his plastic surgery actually made him resemble her quite a lot.
inconclusionmeh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:45:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually crazy heavy...
hicow ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:50:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily physically castrated, but around puberty he was allegedly put on a pretty heavy medication for his acne...a medication which was known to interfere with testosterone production, so chemically castrated, at least for several (really important) years.
It's also alleged (or well-known, depending on who you ask) that his voice was a put-on. Michael Jackson the dude had a normal, relatively deep male voice. Public Figure Michael Jackson put on the high falsetto.
jekyllcorvus ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:21:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most plausible theory. Was pumped full of drugs by his father at a very young age and was severely traumatized by his upbringing.
The lawsuits were all a ruse to extort money from one of the wealthiest entertainers in the world. He hated how he was used and tormented as a child and wanted to change that.
The man died from a cocktail of drugs. It's painfully obvious his issues were caused by his sociopathic father.
Spacealienqueen ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:43:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know I have always been of the thought that this kids are not biological his children
bonusblend ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:52:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way they are.
even_less_resistance ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:54:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I iust feel really sorry for them. I can't even imagine what their lives have been like
Vocabularri ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:36:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Lester, the godfather of Michael's three children, has come out saying that he donated sperm, so that Michael could have kids.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:44:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eunuchs castrated before puberty typically don't stop growing.
I doubt many people seriously believe his children share his DNA though.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:03:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:55:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think he did. My point was that if he were a eunuch he'd likely be unusually tall, which he wasn't.
DuckDuckYoga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:19:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait why would he be tall?
OnTheSlope ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:58:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, this post has down votes and the one above has upvotes? A post where a guy doesn't understand what you're talking about, assumes that's your failing and then corrects you on it?
dec0ded13 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:30:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you high? since when does being a eunuch make you unusually tall? or have anything to do with your height at all
idwthis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:35:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since I wondered, too, I looked it up for us both. From wikipedia:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato
dec0ded13 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:40:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf? but Lord Varys is short and chubby. Can't be true.
mrtstew ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:39:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's cause he can still give you his short chubby
mendax__ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:24:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard this one before. I love this theory.
QuiteTiredOfYourShit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:27:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of those kids are his blood.
The_Magic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:56:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest problem with this theory is that Michael supposedly had a healthy sex life with first wife. He even called a friend to ask for sex advice.
scothc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I'm guessing you don't mean shoeless Joe Jackson of the black Sox?
thismaybemean ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:10:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoeless Joe was innocent!
scothc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welllllll, maybe not as guilty as others
thismaybemean ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:14:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(I just did a quick google search so I could be off a bit on average.)
He hit .375 in the series. .375! That's someone trying to lose? I can't buy it.
scothc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:20:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.375 is what I've heard too. No denying he had a great series. I've always subscribed to the notion that he took the money and couldn't bring himself to actually throw the game once he was playing. But even then, in a best of 7 series, you can still have good stats and fuck up when it matters most
BloodAngel85 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The doctor responsible for Michael's death claimed he was the father of Michael's children
tardy4datardis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his autopsy cleared up that he had fully functional genitalia.
originalsquad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:54:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boys castrated before puberty never stop growing, MJ doesn't fit the profile.
beaverteeth92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of believe this. A black man has white kids with blonde hair and blue eyes?
SqueakyPoP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freud would probably just say he wants to fuck his mother and close the book. For real though, I forget which celebrity, but someone said that they would call him and he'd answer in his airy voice, but then when he realised who he was talking to, he'd just talk like a black guy.
henderman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
arent most of his kids super white?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds plausible, if for no other reason than Joe Jackson was a complete monster.
NoThumbsNoah ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here I am, 20 years old, just now learning Michael Jackson was part of the Jackson 5
dec0ded13 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:31:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro it could he worse I'm 22 and gay and I just learned in this thread that Beyonce was in destiny's child...
hicow ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:53:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid you'll have to turn in your gay card, sir.
dec0ded13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:35:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro it's been gone since I starting dating my current fiance and I told him I didn't know any modanna songs
hicow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:24:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know any Madonna songs and you called me bro? If you reach deep down inside, you'll realize the horrible truth: you love vagina.
dec0ded13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:42:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gasp no!
Jake257 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 20:59:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just no.
Imakenoiseseveryday ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:18:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm inclined to agree with you here
yrulaughing ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 05:28:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coke came out with the new Coke with the intention everyone would hate it. It allowed all the old Coca Cola that was made with sugar to gradually leave circulation. Then they reintroduced Coke Classic, made with corn syrup, as a replacement for the new Coke recipe that no one liked. The new Coke was never intended to be permanent and was never intended to be liked. It was all merely to bury the fact they switched from sugar to corn syrup.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:37:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, it apparently is made from a queen slug's backside.
yrulaughing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:15:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally forgot this theory was also a Futurama joke.
NocturnalQuill ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 05:29:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outlandish conspiracy theories are deliberately perpetuated in order to stigmatize credible ones.
treqwe123 ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 19:22:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the war in Syria is (or at least was) partially about pipelines. The heavily bombed areas in the country has a strong correlation where Russia had or was building pipelines to connect it to the 2nd largest oil market in the world, Western Europe. If you look back to when the wars began you'd even see reports of groups in black masks blowing up key areas of the pipelines and then disappearing.
Meanwhile, around the same time the Syrian war started the development of the Leviathan gas field off the coast of Israel started ramping up, and is building a pipeline through cyprus and greece (whose public gas company was privatized during the Greece economic meltdown) into the same market, which isn't getting as much media attention as it should, given the massive scope of it. The company behind it is Noble energy, whose major shareholders include many high-profile political figures in the US, such as the Clinton family.
innerpeice ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:17:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% believe this. This is a war for oil . Who supplies the west Europe market , Iran and Russia? , who then become the gatekeepers to European sovereignty. Or the US ? How would wester Europes politics change if Russia and Iran could turn off their lights and cars. This war is about pipes
Eskipony ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:57:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If thats true, It could explain why the strong push for renewable energy and electric cars in the EU today. If the EU is energy sufficient, neither Russia or Iran could have a stranglehold on the EU.
innerpeice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes exactly, if the people of a country don't look at how economics can be used as a weapon against them, they are being naive. Imagine if all the oil to the US stopped? Like the embargo. US politics learned a hard lesson about guarding threats to their economy
fairiestoldmeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. And why the idiots in the UK government are so keen to push fracking through.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think any of our military intervention is about oil at all. I think it's really for Israel. Syria, Libya, and Iraq all had powerful militaries and strong anti-Israel sentiment. We toppled Saddam and handed the country over to extremists. We fund "rebels" (50% extremists) to overthrow Libya and fight against Syria, so obviously we don't care about terrorist organizations since they end up fragmenting and fighting each other most of the time. But war allows us to crush powerful armies and establish more bases in the region. The next target is Iran, and Saudi Arabia - once Israel's biggest enemy - is on board with the US.
whatsinthesocks ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:04:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more to support Saudi Arabia. There's a cold war going on between them and Iran. Every talks about the west's involvement in the Arab Spring but forgets those two. Syria isn't a proxy between the US and Russia. It's a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
lightning_knight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is interesting, but there is no way making the ME less stable leads to a pipeline. They leak to much as it is, and you can't defend literally thousands of miles of pipeline against some randos with easily sourceable high explosives.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be the ones who oppose the Russian pipeline making it less stable, not Russia. Shit, the US under Obama had two different government agencies supporting two different rebel groups that actively fought each other - a proxy war against ourselves.
samzeman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:00:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought everybody knew those wars were for oil first, terrorism second? that's literally what I got taught in school in the UK. um. you okay, America?
JakefrmStateFarm463 ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 02:42:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like how much sense a lot of these theories make.
wervenyt ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:54:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it'll help you sleep at night, the human brain is basically designed to identify patterns and has a very bad track record with false positives in that department.
In general though, I agree with you.
ApollosCrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:38:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What cracks me up about threads like this is how people obsess about the obscure and occult, but ignore much larger, more impactful situations happening right under their noses. For example, the most important "conspiracy" that Americans should care about is the influence of rightwing billionaires on our sociopolitical stability - and I've not seen it mentioned once.
boogiemanspud ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even see it as a conspiracy, just fact. The average person can do nothing about it, so they either ignore it, or pretend it's not the case. We as humans are great at ignoring or explaining away things that make us uncomfortable.
I don't even see it as "rightwing" or "leftwing" thing. People in power, no matter what wing have more in common than the rest of us. Right or left wing is part of the same bird. The common man is just a resource to them, nothing more. It's like us taking stock of how many eggs we have in the refrigerator.
An interesting read is "dictator's handbook: why bad behavior is almost always good politics". It's damn interesting and it brings to light a lot of built in control mechanisms. If you're at all interested in politics or conspiracy stuff (though this isn't a conspiracy book), it's a must read.
For other reading on understanding the powerful, "48 laws of power" does a pretty good job at helping you understand the way the powerful think.
Poobyrd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:30:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Questioning the things you take for granted is the path to truth. It's a bit scary, but it's worth it.
JakefrmStateFarm463 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree, you can't trust anyone to tell you the truth especially big companies as things of the like.
BelievelandOHIO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They sound hideous
MasterChiefGuy5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, but I'm pretty sure I'm just someone who believes things to easily, without need lots of evidence. So I really just ignore conspiracy theories, but still enjoy reading them.
LordOfTheTennisDance ยท 276 points ยท Posted at 00:37:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Donald Trump is not the one tweeting. On more than one occasion his Twitter account would post something while he is "live" on TV
project_valient ยท 246 points ยท Posted at 00:39:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did show during the campaign that his account was coming from both an iPhone and an Android. I think he carries the Samsung, and someone on his campaign has the Apple.
musicalbacon ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 03:45:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea. I would argue that there's an official publicist person who does daily update type stuff, and then he does the 3am poop tweets.
BowieKingOfVampires ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 04:55:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*3am-7am poop tweets FTFY
Stevied1991 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't have to schedule poop tweets, they should just come organically whenever you feel them coming on.
thedeadlinger ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:07:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said that. that during the day its often managed by someone else but later in the day/early morning it's all him
ApollosCrow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:32:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was obvious. You can tell just from the syntax - Trump-speak is much different than the pre-written content that his handlers give him to say.
And by "different" I mean that it has some proper grammar, cohesion, and basic emotional maturity.
testtubesnailman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to the podcast Reply All, Trump still uses a Galaxy S3 as his daily phone
J_Deedubze_W ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For context - the Galaxy S8 is now 4 months old, and he has an S3, which came out in 2012
xyroclast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, someone ran a word-frequency algorithm on his tweets and basically confirmed that, that the more hostile and undignified tweets were all coming from one phone, while the more bland/official ones were coming from the other, and that one would never use certain words, and vice versa.
swentech ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 04:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that a surprise? Pretty much every celebrity have people tweet for them.
KmNxd6aaY9m79OAg ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:48:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's surprising because his tweets are so bad. I don't know what the guy who writes his tweets gets paid, but it's too much.
grokforpay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:16 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that some of the celebrities that hold AMAs aren't actually typing out the answers. I think sometimes they're read questions, say the answer, and someone else types it!!!
NoAttentionAtWrk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because most of his tweets don't seem like they were proof read before sent
airportluvr416 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the man is like 70, so i mean most ppl i know that age aren't on twitter anyway
biggerguythanjeb ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:45:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this really a conspiracy theory? Every public figure active on twitter has a team of interns keeping their feeds populated 24/7.
Hiredgun77 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:39:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been confirmed that multiple people are posting to his twitter. Pretty much anything normal is from a staffer.
leonsugarfoot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:33:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Dan Scavino, white house social media director. Isn't much of a conspiracy theory. You can definitely tell which ones he does write.
archiminos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:50:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was obvious. It's pretty much the same for a lot of celebrity accounts and they talk about it openly if asked.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:16:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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angelesinthe918 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:22:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest Nathan for You long con of all time.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:16:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hicow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:41:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's not a genius. Something closer to a savant. He's a guy of middling intelligence at best with the attention span of a hyperactive 5 year old. However, he understands how to sell. It's about the only thing he understands, and that he can do pretty goddamn well. But even that only goes so far. A real salesman wouldn't have multiple thousands of lawsuits and a number of bankruptcies under his belt.
It's pretty telling that multiple people that have known Trump well have been asked, "what's the real Donald Trump like?" pretty much all answered something to the effect of, "That is the real Donald Trump. This is actually, really what he's like"
theacefospades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every business and business man will be sued. The bigger you are the more times you will be sued. That's just a fact of life.
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, shafting your vendors will do that to you. Ethical, honest businesses don't get sued 4000 times.
theacefospades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Every business that's not very small get's sued regularly. Justified sometimes and oftentimes no.
Businesses get sued. That's just the way it is. Being accused of something doesn't automatically make them unethical. You can be sued for anything. And once a company is a certain size, you can't directly control everyone in it.
You can set policy, and fire violators, but it can still get you sued after they do something wrong. That doesn't mean your business isn't honest or ethical. It just means you have a business.
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:17 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know why Trump started going to Russian banks for financing? American banks didn't want to deal with him anymore because he had a tendency to sue when he got behind paying on loans. Contractors stopped dealing with him because odds were good he'd either stiff them and they'd have to sue or he would sue them for BS reasons. He like illegal immigrant labor because he could pay them peanuts and they wouldn't sue if he ripped them off.
Trump is well known as a pretty deeply unethical businessman. It's been that way since at least the '80s, and it's hardly been a secret.
ToBeReadOutLoud ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this for awhile, but I've since moved onto the "he's actually a mentally unstable person" train.
LaceyGucci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VICE News just posted an interview on their Facebook page with the woman who ran his social media campaigns during the election. In the interview, she said that while the tweets were his, she ghost-wrote his Facebook updates. The woman studied his writing style and wrote his statuses as if she were him. She even goes into detail a little bit on the phrases and cadences she uses to imitate him.
Knowing this, it's entirely plausible that he has someone writing his tweets with or for him.
anxshush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/4x6n6o/text_analysis_of_trumps_tweets_confirms_he_writes
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:44:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This needs more upvotes
SirWinstonC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:32:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Bannon tweets for DJT
It is known
coftsock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shit, most famous/important/sports people have their pr person or manager tweet.
diningroomfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Tis true. My butler makes all my Reddit posts, because diningroomfan is such a prima donna. He rarely even reads them, stuck up sonafabitch with all his brown shoes . Wants them all shined. Like he even has any freinds that care, bossy prick...
Cyrado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was common knowledge. No way the President (incompetent though he may be) is constantly on his phone tweeting. He probably has staff that manages his social media. Sure some tweets here and there are probably from him but no way all of them are.
LittleHandedSniper ยท 422 points ยท Posted at 16:27:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan was suspended by the NBA for betting on games. It was never about baseball. It makes too much sense to me.
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 17:14:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was something else that happened that lead to him taking a hiatus. But you're right. It had nothing to do with baseball.
TurnPunchKick ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:33:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Spill those beans
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 20:14:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sparx86 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:38:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan was too competitive to throw a game
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:49:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sparx86 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living in Chicago I've heard all the different things. Including how big of a dick he really is but more than that how he wanted to be the center of attention. I mean the chance at being a 2 sport great had that for him but there had to be something deeper
trevorturtle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:04:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he was also notorious for making insanely large bets, losing, and saying "fuck you" to the people who he owed money.
Sparx86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats why I wouldn't doubt him leaving the game to clear those after his father was killed. I highly doubt he'd ever throw one
Nickoma420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't his dad killed? I've heard speculation that it was because of some outstanding gambling debts.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his dad was most likely whacked by the mob
mickeyflinn ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:45:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't about baseball. It was about Jordan who played one season to the title, then played in the Olympics, and then another season to the title. During that second season his dad was murdered. It was an exhausted young man needing a reset on his situation...
No big silly conspiracy..
all2neat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He actually won 3 championships before his first retirement.
LittleHandedSniper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
C'mon, let's not be pedantic. I don't truly believe Jordan was suspended. But it is definitely interesting to talk about.
tisdue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if this were true, it would have leaked a long time ago. Like none of the NBA owners, officials, players, etc. Literally NO one talked about this until it became a sexy idea years later. I just dont see it.
LittleHandedSniper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is a lot easier for conspiracy theories to gain traction the further they are removed from the actual events. I'm sure it would have seemed absurd in the moment, but it is interesting enough as far as conspiracy theories go.
tisdue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure. It's interesting af.
whattocallmyself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep seeing this. I thought it was well known that Jordan was suspended for gambling. I don't remember the suspension having anything to do with his baseball "career" or even being around the same time. I always figured the baseball thing was some type of publicity stunt or an attempt to compete with that Bo guy from around that time "Bo knows ___" and that other pro athlete that played multiple sports.
AnakinKardashian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the point? Why suspend him if no one else knows about it? That doesn't deter anyone and doesn't really punish him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheOldGods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why would you secretly suspended the stand alone star of your own sports league?
There's no reason I can think of to keep it a secret. If his gambling allegation were public then ok, you'd have to suspend him to keep integrity in the game. You don't suspend him as some secret form of punishment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheOldGods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you agreeing with me?
LittleHandedSniper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I'll bite. The NBA thought it in the best interest of the brand to distance themselves momentarily. They would have been balancing their reputation along side the preservation of Jordan's image.
The suspension itself helped to shift focus away from the game and onto Jordan himself. It was never supposed to be punishment, necessarily, but more like the inconvenience of moving into a safe house.
The face of the game getting caught betting on games would undermine fans' faith in competition with fair outcomes.
This doesn't seem too far fetched now that we know referees were gambling and/or fixing games. See: 2001 Lakers vs Kings game 7.
thehomiesthomie ยท 419 points ยท Posted at 21:15:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really a conspiracy theory, but in middle/early high school, I had a bunch of online friends. I would tell them everything that I wouldn't tell anyone I knew in real life.
Then, one day, someone I went to school with mentioned something I had mentioned to my online friends. Not long after that, my brother and his girlfriend mentioned something else.
No one knew my usernames on the sites I talked to my friends on, I always logged out, I used a fake name when I told these people my name too. They even had no idea what I looked like.
To this day, I'm pretty certain every single one of my online friends during that time period were fake/set up by people I knew in real life. Even if there's no way I could think of that they even found me. But because of it I now have really bad issues trusting people online aren't somehow in cahoots with my RL friends/family/acquaintances.
colita_de_rana ยท 576 points ยท Posted at 00:47:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what is more likely is that your friends and family are observant and you weren't as good at hiding things as you thought you were.
thehomiesthomie ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 00:56:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's likely really what happened, but I wasn't really hiding anything. It was mostly just insignificant/small things and word for word mentions of something I had said to my friends.
Rorynne ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 01:29:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
could have just been your siblings are assholes and read your internet history like reading a diary.
thehomiesthomie ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:39:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
only one lived with me at the time and I always cleared my history; regardless, literally no part of my history would have told them my usernames on sites
the only way I could think of would be if someone glanced over and saw what I was on and made it their personal mission to find me and befriend me
Rorynne ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 01:42:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dont doubt the power of siblings wanting to fuck with their siblings man kids are horrifying
simcowking ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a terrible kid and installed a key logger on my computer because I knew for a fact someone else was using it behind my back.
They were.
_Tonan_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:28:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go on
simcowking ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:53:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that's about it. I was a kid and selfish. I was a nerd installing key loggers. I'm not really at the top of physical fitness back then. I just relished in the fact I knew I was right.
LabeledAsALunatic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:09:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So who was using it?
Democrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me. Kid looks at some fucked up shit.
LabeledAsALunatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go on.....
thegypsyqueen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think of the possibilities... you are sure they couldn't read your chats and didn't even live with you but somehow they found your account and spent time being friends with you online? I think this is just a coincidence. Either way your family and friends would have had to have been able to get your information without you letting them. Whats their motive?
thehomiesthomie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, yeah, it doesn't make sense. But it does make me paranoid as shit, you know?
Before I had actually begun having online friends and separating my RL stuff from my online things I'd keep myself logged in on MySpace and Facebook on my computer and I know for a fact my mom and brother used to snoop around on those, so it had already broken my trust a bit. So I think that plays a big part on why it doesn't feel like a simple coincidence to me. But you're probably right.
thegypsyqueen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:14:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't let this get in your head. Talk with someone if you need to. People are not out to get you and in reality everyone is so tied up with their own lives that they pay little mind to the lives of others', even their own family's.
lanfair ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:08:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself. I only came to this thread to see what he said about us watching him. Turns out he's onto us.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or keyloggers.
th3onlybrownm4n ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 00:42:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, its me your brother...
thehomiesthomie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd believe you but I know my brother's reddit account
unless everyone here is my brother
th3onlybrownm4n ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:11:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm your other brother...
thehomiesthomie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:16:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok but
i do have another brother
simcowking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm your cousin. We use to hang out a lot back in like first and second grade. But then I moved off and we never really talked since. I was leaking information to your brothers.
thehomiesthomie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jokes on you, I have no cousins I talked to/knew between the ages of 4 and 16
simcowking ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:05:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe your parents refused to acknowledge that we were cousins seeing as since then they've not been eye to eye since my dad's little incident at the family picnic?
And that about lines up with the time line.I am a year or two older depending on the month. So I'd have been in first when you were 4. Hmm.
BadLombard ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:55:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's scary man. Why don't you mention it to one of them. The worst that can happen is they either lie like they always have or they just won't know what you're talking about.
thehomiesthomie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:26:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would but, honestly, I think I'm more content pretending that they never really did that (in case they actually did). But I think one day I still probably will just because I do want to know if I'm distrusting people for a reason or not.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
something extremely similar happened to me. when i was around 16, i fell into an eating disorder and made a tumblr page about it to vent my feelings or "track my weight loss progress" or whatever. one day, i got an anonymous message saying that it was pathetic what i was trying to do and i was too good for it. only, that message also had a lot of weird personal information such as what i had to live for and other things. stuff that ONLY my sister would know. i think my sister found the page somehow and tried to help me anonymously, but she never once brought it up again. i never told a single soul in real life that i was restricting my eating habits. my weight loss corresponded with the sports i took in high school, so that's always what i said was going on. i'm always mortified when i think about how she must have felt
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, it's your brother's ex.
thehomiesthomie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you're a bitch then I'd believe it
LHOOQatme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*barks loudly*
BfMDevOuR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi stranger ๐
NoThrowLikeAway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey it's
notme your brothershrug-life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how tech savvy you were back then, but I thought I was when it came to hiding my AIM chats and online diaries. Years later my brother admitted that he learned a lot of his IT skills in high school by practicing on our family computer, and almost everything I thought was hidden or deleted was easily accessible to him if he wanted it to be. This was back in the early 2000s though, so how we used our computer and the internet was much different then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A day late but if you never told other people those things in the first place, it sounded like you already had trust issues
FrederikTwn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe they WERE your IRL friends...
CheeseBenderAang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey dude I know this sounds bad but this kind of paranoia makes me think you may have some kind of mental issue. I would contact your doctor or a medical professional about these thoughts because these thoughts seem pretty irrational. If your mental health is fine then that's great but if you do have a problem it's much easier to diagnose it early. If you wanna pm me go ahead.
Munninnu ยท 714 points ยท Posted at 16:20:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simulated reality. Spiders have 8 eyes because they are actually self-replicating webcams that locate and move to corners where using silk wires they build a structure which they can use to trap small animals for food and also as an antenna they can use like a string instrument to send data to their network.
MyCardboardSword ยท 382 points ยท Posted at 17:05:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just science right there
aboycandream ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:44:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tweaker science
aitigie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:41:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's just regular science, except for the word 'webcam'
jak314 ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 18:59:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like one thing out of welcome to nightvale
End_Of_Century ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:55:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome the Children's Fun Fact Science Corner.
Did you know that Spiders have 8 eyes because they are actually self-replicating webcams that locate and move to corners where using silk wires they build a structure which they can use to trap small animals for food and also as an antenna they can use like a string instrument to send data to their network.
breathcue ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 22:33:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now, the weather.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:44:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All hail the Glow Cloud.
superkp ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:56:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly void, partially stars.
And a planet of awesome size, lit by no sun, an invisible titan. All thick black forests and jagged mountains and deep, turbulent oceans.
superkp ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:56:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also. Fuck I need to catch up.
Scarface_gv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:13:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you recommend that Podcast? Seems quite entertaining but this is the first time I learn of it's existence, any recommendations ?
ravenpuffie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. It's one of the best podcasts out there. Listen at episode 1. It's a little weird, but give it a chance. Basically, it's the Twilight Zone's NPR.
pseudoRobit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:51:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are no dogs allowed in the dog park.
Pikesmakker ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except good
OryxsLoveChild ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how high were you earlier today
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:12:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On a serious note, you know why spiders don't stick to their own webs?
They step in between the globules of "glue" as they walk. Look at a close up view of a spiders web, its just a string with blobs of spider juice haha
okdotdotdot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:49:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why it's called the World Wide Web
niceguy44 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:38:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin hell I'll never look at spiders the same way again
superkp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:54:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now you've said that, they'll never look at you the same way again, either.
mrcolon96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that you now they will come for you
Rorynne ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:26:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would actually vastly prefer this spider reality to the current one
Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:13:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm interrupting someones tv show whenever I plow face first into one while mowing in the fall?
harald921 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:06:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, despite being the silliest conspiracy theory here, this one feels by far like the creepiest.
FatalisCogitationis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if any of these are true it's obviously this one
Penguin11880 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:41:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pi fucked this up for me. How can you have enough data for an infinite number?
E* simulation theory I mean. Not the spiders and shit though. Wtf are you on anyway?
Ohhhshet ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:34:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck dude this is so stupid it actually makes sense.
niceguy44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin hell I'll never look at spiders the same way again
superkp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:56:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now you've said that, they'll never look at you the same way again, either.
niceguy44 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:14:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:O
enormuschwanzstucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another reason to hate spiders
Tregavin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda a close thing in a book series called Ringworld. An exiled ruler would spray these web's with a remote drone to keep an eye on his crew.
Skyvoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:26:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
jacksimonson ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 21:44:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some apps on my phone listen to me. I sometimes will mention something I need or want and amazon will recommend it to me if I go on the app short after
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:37:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I just said I needed something. I will be back with an update.
MasterChiefGuy5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He found out and they got him
Rest In Peace, r/Maybewhocansay
broken_bone666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens to english speakers only. Glad I'm not a native english speaker.
ZAVHDOW ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:42:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not exactly. Leave your phone in front of the TV on a Spanish language channel and you'll get ads in Spanish for a few days.
breakingbadforlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:33 on September 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this happens even if you switch off wifi?
ZAVHDOW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:05 on September 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk. Depends if you have mobile data online. It might cache the info. Might not. Idk. Try it yourself.
breakingbadforlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:20 on September 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:47:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't. I speak Russian sometimes with my mom and I noticed I'd get Russian ads on Youtube. My roommate is South American who screams stuff in Spanish when he's playing FIFA I noticed I would get Spanish ads when living with him.
bloocheez3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It tries to guess based on where you've been too. I went to a Mexican grocery store and suddenly I get Spanish Youtube ads. I don't think it's listening but it certainly connects other dots to try to calculate who/what you are
Darxe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Delete the facebook app
McJigglets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:40 on November 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is definitly happening and if you've agreed to the terms of service for most common social media apps you've given them permission to do it. Go into your settings and turn off access to your microphone.
tripplowry ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 01:50:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The FBI killed MLK. Just within the things that have been proved, they had him high on the list of most dangerous people, where tracking him, sent him a letter telling him to kill himself, and his family won the civil suit about his murder, in which the courts found the FBI guilty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr.
mygawd ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:12:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article says the courts found some guy who owned a business nearby guilty, not the FBI, and the verdict was overturned
tripplowry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:24 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhh no it doesn't? Where does it say that?
mygawd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Under the section about Coretta Scott King v Lloyd Jowers
It was a civil case and the defendant was providing evidence against himself, with nobody providing the counter evidence, so it's not surprising he lost
tripplowry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:12 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am aware it's a civil case, I said, in my comment "civil suit" for a reason, I know it's totally different. The court case is just one of the reasons I think it was out govt. It is more so the stuff brought up in the case that I find interesting such as from the article "the evidence implicated the FBI, the CIA, the US Army, the Memphis Police Department, and organized crime in the murder of King". I also have other evidence, such as the FBI's files on him, and the letter they sent saying to kill himself ect... The current FBI director even said that he has the recodings of MLK on his desk to remind him of how the orginization meant to protect it's citizens has been used against them so it won't happen again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:38:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In an interview with Ron Bennington, James Earl Ray was asked if he had shot King. Ray responded, paraphrasing here, "Let's put it this way, I was sentenced to general population with a 96% black population. If any of them thought I actually did it, do you think I'd be talking to you now? The whole thing was a charade."
tripplowry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:50 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting quote I had never heard it before
Ireallyhateyourface ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 05:21:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe it's not butter is actually butter. I've tasted it.
Beezlegorp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:30:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe it.
bm0000 ยท 400 points ยท Posted at 18:28:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK was killed by a conspiracy that did involve elements of the U.S. government; Reagan and Bush conspired with the government of Iran to hold the prisoners until after the 1980 election; the CIA has had foreknowledge of hijacking, assassinations, and minor terrorist incidents and did not intervene because they didn't want to jeopardize an ongoing mission
DaveyDoes ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:49:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've probably heard of Roy Cohn but if you haven't you should look him up. In his biography/autobiography he talks a lot about how Reagan was elected and about the Iranian hostages release.
Roy Cohn was also Donald Trumps attorney. He was a scary, scary man with his fingers in a lot of corrupt political pies dating back to the 1950's.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:09:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Mossad knew about the bombing of that Marine base in Lebanon several months before it actually happened and it was so obvious to them they figured it would be insulting to mention anything to the CIA. Although the idea that the CIA is omnipotent is bullshit, I find it hard to believe they were not aware of this.
Lre420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly his brother owed the Mafia a lot of money
KrazyKatLady58 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:33:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Re: The prisoners in Iran. My friend's Dad was DoD intelligence. When that happened he came out of his chair ranting that it was impossible for that embassy to be breeched since it was the seat of the CIA communications over there. He knew right then that the entire thing was a false flag.
Masylv ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:07:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first one is probably BS but the second two are common knowledge I thought? Reagan negotiated with Iran to get the hostages released to make him look good, and of course the CIA (or any intelligence agency, really) isn't going to abandon an important mission to stop some minor hijacking or terrorist attack not on their soil.
You wouldn't give up taking down al-Baghdadi to stop the Nice, France attack for example. It's cold, but taking him out quickly saves more lives. Similar principle.
bm0000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as the first one, I recommend reading Larry Hancock's "Someone Would Have Talked." He's an excellent researcher and very skeptical by nature and I know him personally. A lot has come out over the years and serious researchers have more or less narrowed down on a relatively small group in the intelligence community who sponsored the assassination with the help of other non-governmental forces.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:55:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The740 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:04:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were two separate Congressional investigations - both times with a Democrat-majority legislature - and both refuted the idea of a Reagan hostage conspiracy.
cardinals1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anything, the Iranians just held onto the hostages longer to thumb their noses at the outgoing President.
bm0000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much, but it's obviously still denied by the virtually everyone on the right.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:53:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was taught in my high school.
by_myself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a theory that it was his wife who had him assassinated. I haven't been able to get that out of my mind now any time someone mentions him.
taylorfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever seen the movie Traitor? That is practically the plot of the movie and it's a great film. I would not be surprised at all if we had people inside who were aware of smaller scale terrorism, especially overseas
ikilledtupac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right about the last half but more than you think. Sometimes facilitating, or even just allowing something to happen, can further the CIA's mission-even if the subject doesn't know they're being watched.
jjsibs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:19 on September 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How true do you believe this theory is? Are these guys credible? JFK assassination theory: Cuban double agent led plot
Qeesify ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 01:57:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That companies like Apple deliberately slow down your phone as you update it so you will buy their shitty new one without a headphone jack
Angie-P ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 03:19:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the ntnh time: it's called planned obsolescence and most products live by this.
rolfrbdk ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 09:27:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're misunderstanding what planned obsolescence means if you believe most products live by it. It's simply not the case.
I'm a mechanical engineer, and while it is true that SOME companies deliberately have made products that fail quickly (example, Samsung TVs mysteriously seemed to fail just after the warranty period, they used a capacitor which on the average cycle load would fail after approx. 25 months: https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-power-defect-causes-some-tvs-to-fail-and-a-class-action-suit-follows/ ), the real reason products aren't made to last is that you, the consumer, are not willing to pay for more.
Look, you can design something that will work for 2 years easily. You can design something that will work for 20 years doing the same job too. But the difference in quality of components, materials, processes etc. is so great that you simply would not buy our product. Professionals, however, will.
This is why you can go down to your local hardware store, buy a hammer for $5 and it'll last you a year or two. Or you can buy the one next to it costing $50 and it will probably last you a lifetime.
That hammer is simply made from a better alloy, forged better, has better quality control etc., but you're gonna be paying for it. Would you like a 10 fold increase in the price of your phone? I don't think you would to be honest, and Apple, Samsung, Sony, etc all know this.
The general life time we design for depends on the application, but for eg. a car, it is about 8 years. If you have ever owned a car that was approximately 8 years old, you'll start to see things wear out that don't normally need replacement, I'm talking rusty exhausts, maybe the gaskets, or some bearings start squaking. This is normal, this is fine, it's impossible to design something to last forever, but you must understand there is a balance.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a great and entirely correct write up.
The reason iPhones become slow after two years, however, is not because of the physical hardware. It is because Apple renders the older phones useless on the new IOS that was released at the same time as the new phone. This, of course, should be illegal.
https://www.statista.com/chart/2514/iphone-releases/
Angie-P ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 10:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I studied obsolescence in regards to textile design, which include mass produced products including electricals , I'm just recalling what I remember.
MockLled ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:15:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Roxanne1000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:08:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How good do you think the next big phone, PC, console, whatever, would be if they utilized the greatest technology at the time in it, instead of planning for the next years model?
Angie-P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:56:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty good, but not amazing, some features and graphics are an item of it's time.
Eggmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't always want to be mas marketing bleeding edge tech. Much better off using stuff that has a solid history and with production capacity in place.
Roxanne1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am just asking a hypothetical question as to how good an iPhone could be if it was filled with the best tech possible today
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:41:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it's them intentionally slowing performance or them refusing to optimize newer OS version for older devices. I could see them willingly refuse to optimize for a 512MB RAM device that is technically supported because they know the 2GB RAM flagship model is the hot item. When the old phones slow down everyone flocks to the new model.
Shadowhawk109 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:40:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They openly admit they won't optimize for new OS versions.
Been like that for both Macs and iPhones - - there's no reason certain MacBooks "can't" run new MacOS. But it does force people to get a new model.
This combats the fragmentation Android (and Windows!) has faced.
NoAttentionAtWrk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:38:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll slow down even if you don't update it to the newer OS.
bookofthoth_za ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:51:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is past being a conspiracy though, with so many devices suddenly slowing with newer and newer updates.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:30:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last few generations of updates have generally been performance boosting, on iOS at least.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is made up.
https://www.statista.com/chart/2514/iphone-releases/
360_no_scope_upvote ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:38:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung absolutely did this with my S2. I remember the original firmware was fantastic and then the new update absolutely destroyed the usability of that phone and no one else talked about it. Coincidentally the S3 was coming out.
Wiki_pedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't you complain to your carrier? Our contracts are usually 2 years, so if my phone died after one, just because the next model was coming out, I'd insist on a replacement, or never use that carrier/manufacturer again (and explain that when I left).
360_no_scope_upvote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did, all I got was a not my problem bit. This was like 10 years ago though.
thedetox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this 100%. My f'n phone is slowing down and my battery stays charged about 12 minutes.
rudyv8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think this may be true but not as intentional as you think. Sloppy programming can often yield code that runs poorly. Lots of unnecesary code, or code that could be optomized to run better. For example, only class I took in college was called Algorithms and all we did for the whole year was focus on 1 problem, and programming it over and over with more and more efficient ways.
As technology advances storage increases and we further complicate our programs by adding on more and more inefficient programming. Apple simply realizes this and doesnt force their employees to program for maximum efficiency. Not only does it yield more $ through customers upgrading more frequently, but it also yields more $ from not having to pay for optimal programming. Sub-par programs are OK.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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webtwopointno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
notifying you to update every half hour chews through wattage
webtwopointno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
Gigajude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On Android phones this is super evident. I gave my nephew an old Samsung Galaxy S2 with a fresh battery and a custom rom.
The thing is still blazing fast and could easily serve as a daily driver.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe for calls and texts. I have a fresh S4 and the thing can barely browse the web.
internetV ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 01:40:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Russia has been running and operating a state-sponsored blood doping program to help Russian athletes cheat in the Olympics for many years.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:14:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's been admitted to by Grigory Rodchenkov. Watch "Icarus" on Netflix.
internetV ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:22:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched it last night. Hence where my belief in this conspiracy comes from.๐
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I wouldn't doubt this. My history teacher said in the past the Russian athletes trained endlessly until they peed blood
munaught1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:41:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also not a conspiracy. It is a pretty well documented fact.
It also just makes so much sense for Putin to care about something so meaningless.
internetV ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it is as meaningless as some people think; to win gold medals, to be the greatest on the planet at something sports related, creates a near tangible image of one's country and its inhabitants, an image of strength and power which can be used to persuade or intimidate other nations
ToBeReadOutLoud ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:04:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus the Cold War involved a lot of propaganda. There was no better way to definitively say "our way of life is better than theirs" than to beat your opponent in a head-to-head competition.
munaught1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, when you frame it that way, it doesn't surprise me at all that the Olympic comitee sided with the fascists in the 30's.
Cyrado ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:22:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Putin himself was responsible for this. There is more to the Russian Government than Putin, yenow? It's not just one guy.
Goyims ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so does every other country how do you think they break world records every year lol
Thatguyzack ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 21:22:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try U.S goverment.
Fartingboi6969 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:26:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
D a n g i t
goat407 ยท 355 points ยท Posted at 01:13:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MK ULTRA
The CIA never stopped making weapons and doing experiments on mind control.
MK ULTRA was a mind control experiment that the CIA conducted many years ago.
Here's the wiki on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
The official story is that the experiments were halted and it was largely done using drugs like LSD.
People acknowledge that it's something that happened.
However, there are communities of people that are claiming that mind control weapons/experiments are still happening and they are being attacked by the US Gov't and weapons that were developed from the MK ULTRA program.
VICE even did a news story on the subject:
https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/targeted-individuals-government-mind-control/58c94f81e0d2f8177bfd7044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62s3FinAoC0
Many people complained about this technology being used. So many people complained and contacted their representatives that there was a bioethics commission set up with many people testifying about the program(s).
http://www.bioethics.gov/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdsm8hhXHxo
In addition, there is evidence that the CIA didn't just torture people during the war on terror. The CIA also experimented on human beings:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/849331332085895169?lang=en
http://www.thenation.com/article/193185/cia-didnt-just-torture-it-experimented-human-beings
There has been complaints by those that have been captured by the US that they are using LSD or some type of weapon against them.
For example, Jose Padilla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Padilla_(prisoner)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=1449118
I feel like John Snow trying to tell people that White Walkers are real but the CIA is using a mind control weapon to hurt people. This weapon is even being used to make people commit suicide against their will at times.
I know it's crazy.
But MK ULTRA is a fact.
I just want you to use common sense and think about how advanced a technology from the 50s and 70s would be in the present.
Please understand that mind control is real.
Please upvote for visibility. Spread it around. Let people know.
YourCurvyGirlfriend ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:31:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/9M9H9E9
innerpeice ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:10:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The CIA invented an audio broadcast device that is at such a low frequency that you can't hear it. But it resonates at the frequency of your bones( like a pitch fork) which means it resonates the bones i your skull. Which means you might hear it as a "voice in your head"
I'm on mobile so I can't find the article but it was an actual patent in the 60-70s and I think a shell corporation bought the rights
Edit:
Holy crap , I found it. Wired article explaining how one would cause audio hallucinations using microwaves and RF frequency
https://www.wired.com/2008/02/report-nonletha/
ShitImBadAtThis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:55:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, this honestly sounds crazy to me. I can believe MK ULTRA, but there's no way I can believe this is how they do it.
Sounds a lot like the mythical Brown Note.
innerpeice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:09:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll look into the patent and see if I can find it. I didn't believe this either until I saw the application for the patent office .
Brown note is hilarious
NyanDerp ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:46:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm heartened to see how many people are upvoting this.
vayyiqra ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:57:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MKULTRA is not even a conspiracy theory, it's a well-established fact that it existed and did lots of weird creepy unethical shit. Fascinating subject, though.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:23:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am glad you posted this. I have a story that seems stranger than fiction relating to Mk ultra.
I was in deep research on this topic, watching in depth interviews from victims, and reading accounts posted from other researchers. Being a very open person I was sharing many of these articles, and other conspiracy related things on social media regularly. Around this same time, I started experiencing what I could only explain as "Rogue frequencies" attacking my body. I had a military style hummer creeping on me as I walked home from work one night( It turned around and I dipped into a park and cut through houses, and watched it drive around looking for me for like 20 minues.) on the street just before these events started happening. Also when this started happening police cars that didn't look like the local city cops would drive up and down my street while robot like voices were seemingly attacking my brain waves. Looking back it's like outside voices were trying to implant fake memories into my head, which sounds nuts, but I'd never experienced anything like it. It escalated to point where I was hospitalized by my family. The psychiatrist in the state facility where I was sent diagnosed me with chronic schizophrenia despite the fact that it was my first time ever being diagnosed with any type of mental disorder. My parents threatened to sue if they didn't release me and I was eventual released.
Looking back it all seems surreal, and very hard to talk about with anyone who knows nothing about these types of things.
Aumdpa ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:52:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you, and I don't think you're crazy. Thank you for sharing. You're not alone.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:12:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. It's hard to talk about, for sure. I know that I'm not crazy, but there is always a lingering paranoia that I have to shake off. My mind is extremely rational, and I have sifted through what was real, and perceived by me in relation to the event, and even though a few things are blurry, I'm convinced that they work to destabilize people's mind using esoteric knowledge of alpha brain waves.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:24:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:29:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the advice. It is hard to live a normal life when most people around you have no understanding of many esoteric subjects similar to this and others. I surround myself with good people though who enjoy talking about the strange and esoteric. Thanks for reaching out!
Aumdpa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:29:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I also have strange experiences. People that know me well are usually surprised to realize that I'm "crazy" as defined by an erroneous society, yet clear minded and rational. Like Plato's cave, once you've seen the Emerald City's Wizard, you're then casted beyond the norm, despite being the more knowledgeable of the shadows and curtains. Be well, fellow traveler.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:33:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for good words, may you find peace, however ye may define peace!
Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:32:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a neuropharmacologist. What age were you when this started and how long did it last? And I assume they medicated you, especially inpatient. If so, what drug and dosage? And i assume you have a prescription now (whether you take it our not it's irrelevant). What did they prescribe?
Thanks! I'm just curious due to my profession.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
33 years old, and it tapered off after the event, but still occurs (but is markedly different, more like echoes. I must add that I have what I consider Audiographic memory in which I can nearly recall an entire song by hearing it once, and remember tones and inflections exactly). I was on anti-psychotic drugs (2 different types, Latuda, and another sub lingual one?) and one anti-depressant/mood stabilizer (Seroquil) which I quit taking them all because they actually stunted my emotional response to some of the things that happened which caused long term psychosis.
Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually quite late for schizophrenia to kick in. Did the antipsychotics merely dull experiences, or did they outright stop whileb taking them?
Its uncommon to experience psychosis from those drugs. Was it a rebound after taking them, or did the drugs themselves precipitate the psychotic episode? That must be absolutely terrifying either way. Psychosis is such an odd phenomenon, because there is a little piece of you that knows what's going on, but it's a very small piece and very very hard to be aware of, if not impossible.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:50 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The drugs were post what you refer to the psychotic episode. The only thing the medication did in my opinion was complicate my natural emotional response as it was associated with certain thoughts/triggers. In other words my mind was repulsed at the same time my body chemistry was altered to sort of accept it. That in my opinion is what caused the long term psychosis. The only thing that has had positive effects in treating the issues is different forms of meditation, and slowly building and projecting focus on long term goals.
Thisisafknnightmare ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:24:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have never believed MK Ultra was still going on until last year.
Government contractors, DoD and DARPA.
My life became the Twilight Zone and I was pushed to suicide.
I want to believe I just went crazy... But trying to convince myself of that is hard when I look back at all the shit that happened.
I still haven't told anyone about some of the stuff that happened.
DarthSillyDucks ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:12:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could tell us? We'll listen:)
even_less_resistance ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:46:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got time
giddycocks ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:47:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anyone is still interested, like always the answer is always boring.
Guy posting posts on /r/drugs, takes lots of drugs, has psychedelic episodes, was in psych wards, displays paranoia. There is no MK Ultra experience, at least it's very very very very unlikely there is, just a paranoid guy. No offense, and actually kind of sad :(
DarthSillyDucks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:02:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah good point. First post I see is about smoking tar off aluminium foil...you don't need anything on the foil to get it smoking...which is always great to inhale /s
Thisisafknnightmare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Because u/giddycocks is obviously psychic and knows everything about my "paranoid and sad life."
DarthSillyDucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:15 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well instead of getting sarcastic and defensive how bout you explain your side?
Thisisafknnightmare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:46:32 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you now know my life history and have skewed these events to fit the "crazy" category. ;)
"Was in psych wards." Plural ? First of all I already said that the event pushed me to suicide. That's how I ended up in a psych ward. My first and only time being in one.
Second of all. I have struggled with opiate addiction. I started taking opiate pain pills for my crohn's disease and it ended with a heroin habit 10 years later. The thing about opiates is that they do not cause hallucinations.
Psychedelic episodes ? The only times I have experienced a "Psychedelic episode" is when I consume a hallucinogen. I know it's coming and that it will wear off after a handful of hours. The amount of psychedelics I consume are very low compared to most others on /r/drugs.
Displays Paranoia ? More like anxiety. It's taken a lot of work on my part to reduce my anxiety over the years.
Takes lots of drugs ? I used to take cannabis and opiates daily. Key words "USED TO." Sure I've experimented with other drugs but that was a good while ago when I was younger. The drug I consume the most of now-a-days (and last year when this experience happened) is caffeine in the form of Coffee or GreenTea and beer.
At the time of this so called "MK ULTRA" experience I was clean from opiates and in the process of turning my life around. I was making progress on fighting my depression and had almost conquered my anxiety.
So I find it funny that I "went crazy" when I was clean, being actively healthy and was finally starting to care for myself.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:17:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me. Be strong, focus on your life goals, and don't be afraid to live!!
Thisisafknnightmare ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:53:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll write about it tomorrow after work... But you say the same happened to you ? Want to share ?
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:02:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I posted the short version in this thread. Only if you want to share.
IamBili ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:11:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't try to become a hero, write about your experiences in a secret diary, scan it, put it in several pendrives, travel through the country and share them with strangers
Or write a fiction book that aludes to your experiences and once you finish it, seek help to publish it
xGhostCat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do tell!
TheDoors1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can lend my ear
stuffedfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I did an assignment for my English class about this!
I've got nothing to contribute to the discussion, just wanted to say that. But yeah, I wouldn't put it pass them to still use drugs as a control mechanism.
goat407 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some that think that whatever is happening right now is done due to some type of advanced drug.
Others believe it's done to technology - extremely low frequency and some other types of cutting edge tech.
It's tech. Trust me, it's tech that's being used now.
stuffedfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you ask me, technology is more aimed towards psychological warfare - influencing, distracting, intel collection using the public. I doubt frequencies can be used for mass control, that would require years of specific conditioning and you can't really control the public using generic low frequencies.
Then again, I suppose you don't have to - they can just focus control on few very influential people.
Edit: still think drugs are in use though.
weiers08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the theory that Patsy Ramsay (Jon benets Mother) was an MK ULTRA experiment. She was a former beauty pageant star and married the man that worked with what is now Lockheed Martin so she has a lot of info her way she could funnel.
MissPetrova ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:51:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MK ULTRA never worked, so you'll have to excuse my skepticism that the CIA magically unlocked the secret to making it start working. Hypnosis and LSD don't work that way.
Now there are a few drugs like burundanga/scopolamine that CAN cause "mind-controlled" states, but this is mostly just memory loss and drowsiness. You don't really have a problem with whatever's going on. This would be useful for interrogations. Not mind control though.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because one experiment didn't work out as having applications doesn't mean that they stopped there. Check out "the woodpecker incident/experiment"
MissPetrova ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:06:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your brain does not take in radio signals.
I'm sure they didn't stop there, but hypnosis is about as close as you'll get to mind control ever and it has serious limitations.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Radio frequencies are at a different Hertz than your brain. Your body and mind are definitely affected by ELF wave frequencies, and localized vibrations. See: the new headphones that don't even go into your ear.
golden_n00b_1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So radio signals are electromagnetic. Light is a radio signal in the visible spectrum. Your eyes are actually tightly tuned radio antennae for the brain.
MissPetrova ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The woodpecker experiment claims that it can emit radio waves that match the resonant frequency of the brain, calming you down and mind controlling you...this is horseshit.
you_sir_are_a_poopy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said to imagine LSD with the tech we have today! /s
Caelinus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that is how drugs work lol.
Seriously though, mind control should be possible. But I highly doubt it would not be overwhelmingly invasive. The brain is just too networked for there to be an easy override switch.
You can definitely put someone in a suggestable state, but that is not the same thing, but rather a kind of self induced trance.
Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it absolutely is possible, but we're nowhere near. I worked in a lab that worked with optogenetics.
In a nutshell, you genetically modify a specific brain region (e.g. the amygdala, which is the seat of "fear" and stress) to make the nerve cells start producing a protein sensitive to a specific color, similar to the proteins in the eye.
Basically, when a certain and specific wavelength of light is shown on those cells in that brain region, it can either activate that region or turn it off; so basically, the light can induce fear like responses once it's on, and they go away the second they turn off. Same with the inverse, where an animal is put in a stressful situation, and the amygdala can be "turned off".
The light sensitive proteins are made to express on excitatory parts or inhibitory parts, so the light works in the same way neurotransmitters normally would.
Now the reason this is so far from human use is that it requires either a genetically modified animal, or using an engineered virus to target certain reagions specifically and inserting the genes for those light reactive proteins. To activate those regions, small lasers are attached to fiber optics and secured in the brain region and attached to the skull.
Any way you spin it, it requires a canula (fiber optic thing) which means brain surgery is required. To add to that, we cannot do specific thoughts or anything, just activate specific brain regions. And finally, for humans, we'd have to use a virus to transfect those target genes into the brain, and that's a big no no in humans.
So using this on people isn't plausible just for torture or info gathering since it would require a skilled neurosurgeon, neuroscientist, and molecular biologist just to set up this project and then implant it.
But seeing it work on animals is crazy. I could literally flip a switch and make a rat shit from stress and fear, and then turn it off and it would act like nothing happened.
This might eventually have use for treating things like seizures that require brain surgery, severe chronic pain, and maybe something like Parkinson's as opposed to electrodes. It's a shame that it requires changing the DNA of part of the brain though, because that really lessens how likely it is to happen anywhere near the future.
ClemClem510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm not against the idea that there are still people who try to figure out mind control or some shit. But right now, the top answers sound like nothing more than the ramblings of paranoid schizoprenics without any clear story or evidence
1jl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:10:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut it down boys. We found him.
SecondUsernameChoice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so...what do we do?
goat407 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:13:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SecondUsernameChoice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's good, but when they know, then? ??? Profit. I'm not trying to take away from your post, i've already shown it to some. It's a good read with good sources. But for example someone brought up earlier that one of their theories is that the rich are pitting poor people against each other to distract that they are in charge. Most of the comments on it say that people are well aware that this is a thing, but we are still fighting each other. We still have what happened in Charlottesville just recently, and similar happenings every day. We're aware, but still doing it.
TL;DR I'm with you, but what do we do against government agencies capable of things like mind control?
goat407 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was even a frequency that could cause rage and riot like behavior.
I understand what you're saying. But we were close. We were damn close with our bioethics committee.
I went to my Senator and he resigned not long after asking for help.
You can make a difference.
Things can be done to expose this and limit their power. It's just difficult. If you look at most of the youtube comments on those videos they are taking the side that the people are crazy. That's the problem. How can you convince people that something that you know is very real if you can't see it? There's documentaries talking about mind control as a technology that the history channel produced some years ago. There's news reports that I've cited. But it just doesn't matter. People will never believe that they got tricked in such a big way. It seems like a plot of a video game that the "land of the free and home of the brave" resorts to mind control and robot planes as a mainstay.
ChilieMacPalmer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make me ultra. MK Ultra. Now I dream with my eyes open.
Lil-Ham ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 03:51:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Office is not actually a real documentary about the American workplace
RQK1996 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:40:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
considering it was a British show originally
skinwalkerstalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So should I take all my swords back home?
Sc-krypt ยท 396 points ยท Posted at 22:25:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Google is big brother.
I was with my GF talking about stupid shit like what would happen I took birth control, so, naturally, we decide to look it up, she typed 'what would happen' into google and right there was 'if a man took birth control' I SHIT YOU NOT.
My phone was in the other room so I went and got it to do the same search.. it didn't pop up as a recommended search (obviously).
Hell naw
TwttrKilledModerates ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:55:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the weirdest one yet. Like that's way too obscure of a search prediction to just be a coincidence
photozine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It happened to me too, but with a different topic...Which is fine, as long as I get a good deal on things.
steampunker13 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:27:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if that is obscure. I think every guy has wondered what would happen if they took birth control.
TwttrKilledModerates ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:40:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said it came up in the predicted searches. I'm a guy and have literally never wondered that. I'm sure others have but it's really weird that it would be one of the predicted searches after just typing in "what would happen"
MuzzleBlast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:14:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It came up as a suggestion when I typed โwhat would happen if a manโ so Iโd say it isnโt that obscure.
notswim ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:07:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google is monitoring this thread and trying to cover their tracks.
Dr_Sploosh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well adding the "if a man" significantly narrows the possible endings to that sentence. It coming up by just when typing what would happen is very different.
pm_boobs_4_hedgehog ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 00:23:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the listening feature on Androids (I forget the link to disable it).
I have Google opinion surveys on mine and once when a friend was playing sax it popped up asking me if I was taking trumpet lessons.
EDIT: As people are either asking for a link or telling me Google isn't always listening, check here:
https://qz.com/526545/googles-been-quietly-recording-your-voice-heres-how-to-listen-to-and-delete-the-archive/
Search "Google always on listening", there's loads on it. Linked to the OK Google function.
simcowking ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 03:01:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"No? Well you should"
__Noodles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:28:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn google, cold.
But srsly, for a hundred real reasons FUCK GOOGLE.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it. It makes it easy. Way different than Facebook in my opinion
pm_boobs_4_hedgehog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It did make me laugh as the guy in question is quite proud of his sax playing ability. In fairness he is also rather good.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:04:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pianoboy8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly just due to how amusing that is, I wouldn't actually mind enabling it or seeing if I could enable it.
It should be disabled by default though. I don't mind the invasion of privacy, as long as those who are invaded give the consent to be invaded.
RefrainsFromPartakin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you want 'invasion'. Evade means to avoid.
pianoboy8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
frick thanks
pm_boobs_4_hedgehog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:07:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found it again
https://qz.com/526545/googles-been-quietly-recording-your-voice-heres-how-to-listen-to-and-delete-the-archive/
cryo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:47:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No itโs not, itโs psychological bias. Humans are very susceptible to it, which has been proven again and again.
pm_boobs_4_hedgehog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, android genuinely has "always on" voice recording. You can access a list of all recordings it's made from devices linked to your account
https://qz.com/526545/googles-been-quietly-recording-your-voice-heres-how-to-listen-to-and-delete-the-archive/
sygraff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:45:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read your link? It clearly states that the recordings are voice searches you've made in the app.
It listens passively for the OK Google keyword, but it does not record any of it. Recording it would kill your battery and bandwidth.
mrtstew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But in theory, if someone wanted to record constantly or at least certain conversations, it could be possible? You're battery and data usage would just be way higher than normal?
pm_boobs_4_hedgehog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If all is working well, yes. However things don't always work as intended. When I first found that link, one of the recordings from a year or so before was 15 minutes of a sensitive conversation I was having with my housemate who was going to a birthday party of the daughter of her new partner - my lifelong best friend - and would be face to face with his horrendous ex-girlfriend for the first time. At no point in the conversation did the term OK Google get said, I didnt have a push-to-activate style widget on my home screens but clearly something said was "misheard" as the trigger phrase and it recorded our conversation. But that's actually a separate issue to what I'm talking about, that is the retention of your search history, I'm talking about the device recording key information taken from what you say, not direct recorded audio files of those words.
Knowing that the listening feature is always on standby mode, and that at times I've had/seen targeted adverts for things that I had discussed but not searched - the same way that what you look for on Amazon will show up in ads on your Facebook page - heavily suggests a correlation. You state that data allowance would be rinsed at the constant uploading of audio recordings and I don't disagree. Instead I think that the feature links in to the use of cookies, with small cookie files being generated or edited by voice-to-text. These cookie files are what is then driving the targeted advertising when you go online.
If we know that entering something in a search bar can create a cookie, and we know that voice-to-text functions work without the need for a data connection (try it, it will recognise the words, just not be able to search them without a connection), its completely possible to have vocal input converted to text and stored in a cookie.
SemenDemon182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm all for conspiracy theories but your data plan would be used up in days if they listened in on people..
pm_boobs_4_hedgehog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://qz.com/526545/googles-been-quietly-recording-your-voice-heres-how-to-listen-to-and-delete-the-archive/
pm_boobs_4_hedgehog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's constantly linking back to and being recorded, I think it is recording key words/triggers into cookie files to help build the consumer profile of you for more efficient targeted advertising. I don't think anyone is spying on us, just trying to sell us stuff ultimately.
Sc-krypt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hers was an android to be fair, nice one!
Literal_SJW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten the trumpet lesson question before too, I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with a recording but they'll ask strange questions randomly as a way of detecting bots.
party_shaman ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:40:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had way too many events like this to not believe it.
funkymunniez ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:14:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do a search for your Google location history if you really want to feel like you're being watched
roksteddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google Maps or Google Now or whatever it's called now has become so eerily precise that it can tell which store I'm exactly at in a row of shops, it can tell if I'm at a Trader's Joe or Barnes & Noble next door and even make recommendations on things to buy.
Bennettjamin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck me dead this is unreal, thanks for telling me this
ClemClem510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I actually can know where I was on this day three years ago, which is pretty neat
german_curve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not Big Brother, Skynet
steampunker13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:27:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IBM's Watson is the beginning of SkyNet.
Pcatalan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think of google more as the middle child. Always there, people acknowledge his existence from time to time, when something is needed, but is ignored most of the time. He goes unnoticed becuase he is the middle child, but still hears everything.
today2day ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tested this. I said out loud "What would happen if there was no summer?"
Results showed "What would happen if I said to the soil give me fruit" and "What would happen if the sun disappeared?"
The other results were about sleep and jfk so I'm not quite convinced yet..
terrencehedge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Allowing for a voice recognition fail, the second one seems pretty close. This is pretty creepy
Ramza_Claus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about watching Star Trek DS9 and I wanted the episode where Worf kills Gowron. So I go to Google and type "episode of ds9 where" and it autofills: "where Worf kills Gowron".
Always freaked me out.
JSlice3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:29:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha I just read this and decided to say a question out loud that I've never said before about quantum mechanics and started typing it and boom, one of the suggestions was how do quantum computers work. Just had a nice chuckle about it hahaha.
ZAVHDOW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tried to google it myself. Didn't come up until I got all the way to
so that's pretty weird.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got "what would happen if a girl took viagra" after "what would happen if a" and "what would happen if a man took birth control" after "what would happen if a m"
terrencehedge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just said out loud "I wonder what would happen if a man took birth control pills", opened safari, and typed "what would happen". The third result was "what would happen if a male took the pill". What the actual fuck?
Caelinus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:30:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is pretty high up on my results and I have never asked about that.
I think people might be seeing a pattern where there is none. They are probably just getting results based on their demographic and past search history behavior.
The reason I say this is just because of the absurd amount of data and processing it would take to actively listen to people.
terrencehedge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think you're probably right, it was just weird when what seemed like an arbitrary example worked perfectly. Spooky vibes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google is the leader of a political cult which controls england and america...? Huh. Sounds far fetched but okay.
_Ryukiro_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, what would happen? You're leaving out one of the most important parts
CaliYinzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a Samsung tv? They are o cahoots with Google
_WokeUpInACar_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I remember my dad saying that when he was a teenager a doctor prescribed him birth control and it helped get rid of his acne.
webtwopointno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:07 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep sometimes hormone therapy is used
wuapinmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I was reading this, Spotify started playing "Single Ladies." Like four main comments down is about Beyonce.
NotMcDuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These comments worry me as its totally plauseable. Although i just tried "what is ..." and "when is..." on Google to see the predicted text.
It said
So, Google sounds a bit confused today lol.
thenothing_new ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me curious, so I googled "what would happen if..." and the first suggestion was "a girl took Viagra." ๐ค
NonorientableSurface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Confirmation bias :D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:20 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If google has access to your mic, you can go in and actually find the recordings it takes.
dbear26 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 02:06:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regular theory, not conspiracy. In the Blair Witch Project, there is no Blair Witch, Josh and Mike murdered Heather
LostGundyr ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:32:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, except the witch was actually supposed to be in the movie, Heather just forgot to pan to the left when they were running to the house at the end. She was supposed to be on a hill in white clothing, we just never saw it. Also, she's in the new Blair Witch. I saw that Film Theory, too, but it's been busted.
dbear26 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:34:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New Blair Witch is shit, how did they forget to show the Blair Witch in a movie called The Blair Witch Project?
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 07:00:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dbear26 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:25:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok that's actually really cool. That makes a lot more sense
TylerIsAWolf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:38:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would hate to be one of the actors.
LostGundyr ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 07:52:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you really going to tell me the first is better than the new one? It's not great, but the first one is legitimately terrible. I know its budget was crazy low, but I can still judge its quality.
dbear26 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:55:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was pretty good for what it was, and if you read the explanation above, the emotion was very genuine because the actors legitimately didn't know what was happening. And hey, it might not have been a masterpiece, but it was good enough to have at least split people's opinions on how good it was. I think everyone can agree that the sequel and remake are both total shit. But whatever, to each his own
MEGACOMPUTER ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:46:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
confirmed 12 year old
LostGundyr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:01:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is it with people on the internet and trying to make themselves feel superior, smarter or bigger in some way by calling someone a kid or making assumptions about their age? I have an opinion that you disagree with? Oh, better try to insult him by calling him a 12 year old! That's never been done before! That'll show him! I'm 21, by the way.
MEGACOMPUTER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:18 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
welcometotheinternet
0111776 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:24:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Film theory much??
dbear26 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:24:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
Bee_planetoid ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 20:43:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Bitcoin was created by a time traveler.
Jonsnowstorm ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 21:28:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
explain please ?
Bee_planetoid ยท 230 points ยท Posted at 21:52:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically nobody really knows who created Bitcoin, and whoever created it has the keys to 1.1 million bitcoins ($4.4 billion today).
What person or group of people would have the vision to create something that at the time was a novelty and cheaper than dirt, but would go on to become preposterously valuable.
Now what group could do that, and leave 4 billion untouched? The creator of Bitcoin has never directly spent bitcoins or cashed out, only doing small test transactions with people like Hal Finney and Gavin Andresen.
If one person suddenly had from nothing (a few computing cycles in 2009-10) $4k, $40k, $400k, $4 mil, $40 mil, $400 mil, or $4 billion. Then they would either spend some of it, or they have lost the access to them, or they somehow are unaffected by the interim time of value accumulation (e.g a time traveler, or a coma patient).
If someone from the future is responsible for bitcoin, they could take the private keys to the future with them and destroy the record in the past. If they did this, they would have effectively created an incredible fortune for themselves.
Additionally Bitcoin was so far ahead of its time when it was first created that even many die-hard cryptography buffs disagreed with the premise and didn't think it would work. Its almost like the creator was granted sight, or already knew having been from the future where bitcoin already exists.
Atorres13 ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 00:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he just forgot the password to his wallet?
johns2289 ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 02:20:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
did he try hunter2?
even_less_resistance ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:48:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just see *******
RicoSuave1881 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:35:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or "BigBoobz" with a Z?
5pez__A ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:03:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if it's a CIA operation?
Atorres13 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:47:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they're trying to pay off the national debt?
5pez__A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
more like funding black ops and opulence.
SemenDemon182 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:09:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Logically keeping that wallet/account locked (i.e Key thrown out) would make Bitcoin more stable as a currency, or am i just way too tired from being up all night? lol. Decentralized and all, if that wallet/account suddenly started spitting its money out everywhere, maybe swapping for Fiat currency here and there, etc.. even though the bitcoins stay in the system wouldn't that cause some instability?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Scaveola ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the US and most of the World this is wrong. No major currency is backed by a commodity. What keeps the market in check is people's faith using that currency.
Look back to when the Mt.Gox hack happened. BTC was at an all time high before that happened and then afterwards people lost a lot of coins and did not have faith in the currency any further (I was one of those people).
SemenDemon182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i thought as much. Thanks for the answer!
trevorturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:47 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
USD is no different except that it can be artificially inflated by a select few powerful people while the amount of bitcoin is 100% finite.
sporket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize our fiat currency (aka the American dollar) is not backed by gold right? It hasn't for a long time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or he died of cancer?
Gabinator99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITS LIVER AIDS
BelievelandOHIO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT
boogiemanspud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know if something like that happened to me, I'd be so embarrassed I sure wouldn't mention it to anyone. I guess you could tie this into other conspiracy theories and figure he's afraid to use it since he could die if the competing monetary systems like federal reserve ever found him.
Lvl1NPC ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:25:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea how bitcoin and the like works so I'll just accept this.
Cypraea ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:58:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory: whoever it is is sitting on it until Bitcoin rises to the point where that nest egg is "destabilize the economy of a nation" sized, at which point they will flood the economy by dumping it in all at once, in the same way that large-scale counterfeiting operations could be used to trigger an inflation event.
Either that or buy commodities (or currency?) maliciously to fuck with supply, demand, price, et cetera.
Or both.
Dark_messengeR ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:14:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think someone assasinated the original creator. I forgot the name but I saw a recent documentary on the rise of bitcoin and apparently, after it went into operation, the creator stopped communicating with any of his co-creators. He suddenly vanished and nobody knows who he is.
Lewdawg_2 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 01:23:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna be honest, it would seem pretty feasible for a government to assassinate the creator of bitcoin. If bitcoin goes worldwide and is used to pay everywhere, the economies of all the nations are no longer dictated by their own currency, but by a completely honest and decentralized currency, and I assume many govs would want as much control over their currency and subsequently their economy as well.
rockmasterflex ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:24:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equally possible that the creator never really existed, was a government cover agent, and that bitcoin from the start has been a government (or even worse, private sector) endeavor to control the entire WORLD with a new currency rather than a simple nation.
rshacklef0rd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:48:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or...it was Satan setting the stage for the currency mentioned in the book of revelations where you need a mark to be able to spend/buy anything....
Dark_messengeR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right! It specifically stated in chapter 2 verse 14, behold! the rise of evil, a coin that does not exist but shall be put onto my fellow man, bit by bit, through the use of the internet.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:18:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin's original development is informed by an ideology that wants to bring that about FYI, or at least sees it as inevitable.
See: Cypherpunk, Cryptoanarchism.
IceNeun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Government currency is never going to stop being a thing as long as you're required to pay taxes in it. There's zero reason for a state to feel "challenged" by other things that can sort of function like currency. You don't have a choice on whether government currency is a major part of your life. Sure, you have a choice as to whether you use that or cryptocurrency to purchase a few things, but unless you found your own state, everyone will need to figure out a way to make something that you'd give the government on the threat of being thrown in jail.
Some people believe taxes are inherently immoral. Problem is, it is unlikely a majority of voters would feel fine (for both "selfish and altruistic" reasons) about giving up all the services they receive from the government.
rshacklef0rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are already crypto currencies that make the user anonymous, Monero is one example. When the dark web store alpha bay was shut down recently the govt. could not track where the monero came from.
IceNeun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that cryptocurrencies actually have the ability to be used anonymously fairly reliably. However, I wasn't arguing against that, I was just arguing that it is impossible to live a life (assuming you aren't part of a black market and make your income "illegally") where you can ever depend on cryptocurrencies significantly more than official fiat.
I'm even willing to admit that some people would be able to mostly depend on cryptocurrency, but certainly never a large amount of people will be in a circumstance where they can do that. As long as people need to pay their taxes in fiat, it will always be easier from the circumstance of a typical person to focus directly at earning fiat first and foremost.
boogiemanspud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if cryptocurrencies are taxable. Down the google rabbit hole!
IceNeun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, legal businesses like having documentation since it's important for pretty much any business imaginable to be able to defend themselves in court for anything and everything they could end up relying on the legal system to help them. Which means what they document has to match what they tell the IRS, otherwise the previous intent loses it's purpose. Which means that the government knows how much money their employees, meaning you, make, and knows all your "larger" purchases as well.
Which means it's hard to completely fool them, rather than just mislead, about how much money you make and spend. Which means they could account for the type of currency you tend to use in your life. Which means it is also in your interest to be somewhat truthful, lest if they ever follow through and audit you, you don't end up in a shitty place to be. Which means you would likely just tell them, one way or another, you are using cryptocurrencies to a varying degree in your life. Which means they can figure out how to tax you for whatever amount of cryptocurrencies you've been using.
All of this depends on whether you primarily make your money legally, since anyone who does get their income legally would have every desire to have the protection of the courts on their side if you ever end up in any sort and level of a legal situation.
drawdeadonk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:13:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin and blockchain tech could cause a major blow to central banking, and thus all government currency. If this happens and governments are forced to restructure their debt and currency, it's not entirely impossible to have competing currencies at that point. Also, it's possible that most government currencies would not be revived.
TaiVat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:18:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How exactly? For that matter, any government could easily take steps to make it illegal/tax it. It wouldnt matter that its anonymous or anything, any financials gained by a store or anything but the most trivial of property bought by an individual would be trackable and subject to financial laws.
People vastly overestimate the overall impact of the little financial sector gimmick that is blockchain techs.
IceNeun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to hear of any person who was able to give up fiat money in all non-trivial matters.
I disagree that governments have that much ability to make them illegal, and to be able to meaningfully enforce that, but as you said, it would be trivial to find a way to tax from it.
drawdeadonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have little to no power it making it illegal.
drawdeadonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can try, but then btc and other alts can just fork and create a new currency. Unless they think of all the possible altcoins scenarios and ban all those then any legislation to make it illegal will have little to no effect.
Partly for the reason I just mention, but also because altcoins work way better in facilitating transactions, transfer's, it's more secure, etc.
Cypraea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also plausible, given the type of person who manages to do this sort of thing, that whoever-it-is was assassinated for other, unrelated reasons.
SineMetu777 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:10:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really believing it, but for the novelty of the idea, I could see myself doing it if I had access to time travel. I've been obsessing a lot over what early-day Bitcoin would have been worth to me now.
OryxsLoveChild ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best thing I've seen said in reply to this is what are the realistic odds you wouldn't have cashed out when it first became valuable? The odds of someone having bought in back then and still having their original investment today are pretty small. Probably only a handful of individuals. It'd take you every single day waking up and saying to yourself "nah, not today. I trust this will still have this much value or more tomorrow when I wake up." Every single day is a gamble.
Not to mention when Bitcoin crashed...
The second it started gaining value again you'd have to have the faith that it wouldn't recrash. Shit, your wallet is now at $10K. And it's already crashed back to $0 once before. You're most likely going to cash out right then. Probably even earlier.
It at least made me feel better.
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:36:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bought like 100 or so for around a dollar a piece and sold them when they hit like 20 or 30. Thought they had peaked and the novelty would wear off. My life would be a lot easier right now if I had 300k lying around.
boogiemanspud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked the story where the guy bought a pizza with 20 bitcoins when they were worth about $1 each. A pizza for my kingdom!
thatsaccolidea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
also, its a currency. i used bitcoin when it was 10 dollars, and i used when it was $1000. i have no regrets that i didn't speculate when i held what is now $100K worth of bitcoin, because without economic activity within a given basket of goods, it has zero value as an investment.
also, theres still no telling if it will fail or not, there are competitors with MUCH more compelling technology now. if i did hold $500K worth of bitcoin, i'd be well into my divestment strategy by now.
SHA-256 could be broken any day. the second it is, the network will collapse. yes it can be rebuilt, but that wouldn't be bitcoin anymore, it would be a highly political altcoin without the decade of faith that bitcoins current market cap has been invested in.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heh. I first learned about it in 07-ish as I was looking up Cypherpunk shit for personal enrichment. Imagine how I feel now.
boogiemanspud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When bitcoin was around $300 each, I had planned on buying one bitcoin a month. My wife didn't like the idea as it was nothing tangible (the concept of currency isn't either...) I wanted to do this for about a year.
I guarantee I'd have cashed out at least half when they reached the $3000 mark. That would have been a lot of money.
It's one of the few things I kick myself over.
SemenDemon182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still griefing my younger self. I was skeptical as hell about it so i never bought it.. but basically i had enough money for 1 bitcoin and compared to now, cheap as hell.. veeeery cheap. I was skeptical, young.. and stupid as fuck.. Sure it's 'only' 4000 dollars now but even now so many years later thats basically the money that would pull me out of the shitter for good. Fuck me.
esatxE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't have held it for this long. Trust me.
SemenDemon182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was for that exact purpose, but you are right. It's 4300 dollars today, but i would have probably pulled out a few years ago as i'd have needed the money just as much as i do now lol. I would have held it for quite some time still though..I'm a patient guy ever since a kid and i had almost $200 saved up by the time i hit age 7. I hate the fact that i got so skeptical about it though..but live and learn and all that huh.
These days i might invest a bit in Sia and just let it sit.. For me personally one of the most promising cryptocurrencies out there and they have so much potential in terms of their cloud storage etc.. There's a looong road ahead for Sia still though.
IamBili ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:43:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given that such fortune is public and that it is risky for the creator(s) of the Bitcoin to touch it without giving away their identity, my answer for whom is behind the Bitcoin creation is a group with an interest into researching ways to create a currency that can't be controlled by any regulatory agency, but that it can be controlled by its main money-holders
It doesn't take much imagination to connect the group behind Bitcoin with the groups behind NWO conspiracies
vivifiction ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of a fun idea, but the justification for a time traveling inventor is the same justification for a non-time traveler simply leaving the money alone.
The reason the time traveler leaves the money alone is so that the largest return is possible.
The reason the non-time traveler leaves the money alone is so that the largest return is possible.
Plus, (and to be fair, I don't know a lot about cryptocurrency so I might be completely off base here) wouldn't spending or cashing out the money reduce the overall value of bitcoin?
willinaustin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:00:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the reasons Bitcoin has done so well is because there is a stable base of all these coins that never get moved, spent, etc. If you tried offloading that much Bitcoin the price would swiftly tank to nothing.
So, what's an enterprising tech genius to do? Well, you have that mega-wallet that holds all these untouchable coins. Meanwhile, you've been mining Bitcoin on numerous other rigs and sending those coins to a plethora of wallets.
Yeah, you don't have $4 Billion or whatever those coins in the mega-wallet are worth, but that's "get yourself suicided with two shots to the back of the head" levels of money. Instead, you're getting tens of millions of dollars, which is plenty of money, and at zero risk of death while also not ruining Bitcoin.
thatsaccolidea ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:35:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i like cryptocurrencies, they're neat, clever.
however, i find it WAY more plausible that "the gubment" INVENTED bitcoin, then disseminated it into the libertarian crowd that was most likely to use it for drugs and tax evasion by hyping it as some kind of panacea to the troubles of the federal reserve, which is of course, a popular libertarian talking point.
despite its reputation, bitcoin is NOT anonymous. its tied to IP address, and is, by its very definition, a "distributed public ledger". forensic examination of the network is trivial.
www.blockchain.info
that, along with the size of the satoshi wallet, which is large enough to absolutely ruin the global bitcoin economy if it was suddenly sold off, (even minor activity on that wallet would send panic through the markets, currency supply is managed and limited for a VERY GOOD ECONOMIC REASON) makes me think that it was a very clever attempt to gain and maintain economic hegemony by someone, and the forensic susceptibility of the network makes me think that that "someone" is, or was, involved with western governance (edit: china is also plausible, certainly they've been benefited by it greatly, despite their protestations about it being used to move funds out of the country).
rshacklef0rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing this, it struck me as odd that the HBO hackers were demanding payment in bitcoin from HBO.
thatsaccolidea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
perhaps the proverbial powers that be simply don't feel like playing their hand on petty crimes like that. even if the hackers get caught, i suspect we'll never know how that particular investigation gets started.
does the term "parallel construction" mean much in this circumstance you reckon??
Mr_Mars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:27:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about that though is that Sakamoto's wallet is really only worth $4b in theory. He owns about 1 million BTC out of around 15 million total. The current value of bitcoin is predicated in part on those 1 million BTC being out of the economy and inaccessible. Essentially, the value of a BTC is being artificially inflated by the fact that there are ~7% fewer BTC in circulation than there should be. If there were even hints that those coins could be touched (not would be, just could be) it could have a huge destabilizing effect on the market and cause bitcoin to crash.
So whoever Sakamoto is, he owns a vast fortune that only exists as long as he never spends any of it. And there's very little doubt that he's plenty smart enough to know this as well as anyone. But on the other hand he also seems to be a very clever software engineer and thus making money likely isn't too much of an issue for him. Hopefully he's at peace with it.
Jonsnowstorm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you ! Never thought of it this way .
AscentToZenith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe this so bad. I love the concept of time travelers or anything similar.
coftsock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if they did cash out they would crash it's economy, a creator isn't going to bring what they created to its knees
_Tal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's a bootstrap paradox.
If bitcoin already existed in the future, and someone went back in time to create it, then who originally came up with the idea for bitcoin?
h0nest_Bender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Alexander Bell
Mark Zuckerburg
I'm sure we could come up with a ton of people.
Bee_planetoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
h0nest_Bender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bee_planetoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
h0nest_Bender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook didn't become preposterously valuable?
Bee_planetoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fair point
boogiemanspud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel is interesting to think about as well as parallel universes. I mean, if time travelers came back and messed with the past, the present people would have no way of knowing about it. Did time travelers go and prevent things like all the things Hitler did? Possibly, but we could simply be on a different branch of the timeline where it never happened.
By having multiple parallel universes, it negates much of the paradox caused by interfering with the past, as one that hasn't been tampered with would always exist by definition.
whattocallmyself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw something on youtube about bitcoin recently and it gave a name for the person who created it. I don't remember the name and I don't care enough to look it up, but I was under the impression that it was well known who created bitcoin.
blkdnmt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:12:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin and blockchain wasn't really ahead of it's time; it's based on basic physics.
jamieandhisego ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 23:13:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, imagine thinking that bitcoin is so amazing that it had to come from a time traveller. I can smell your neckbeard sweat through the internet.
Jowitness ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 23:19:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smells like cheetoh dust and old taco bell
lightning_knight ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:53:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've actually heard that bitcoin is a way for the NSA to break AES-256 by crowdsourcing the decryption process.
I'm not tech enough to weigh in on the validity of that but it seems like if true it's a pretty smart idea.
End_Of_Century ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something out of Steins;Gate.
vesok ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:12:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Wow Okarin, you really like Bitcoin, don't you?"
"It's an enlightened currency for the chosen ones."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it seems like something from the 1920s.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:45:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Elon Musk created Bitcoin
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:55:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely sure it's a conspiracy theory but I think the Northeast blackout of 2003 was a test by the government to see how a major metropolitan area would react if an EMP bomb went off and wiped out the electricity. Many cities and millions of people were without power for days. How does all of New York with all of the power backup systems in place go down completely!? If they didn't plan it they took extensive notes.
Nona_Biba ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:11:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, interesting. I was on vacation in Cleveland when that happened. Considering how soon after 9/11 that was, I could believe they were testing what would happen should our power grid become a target by our enemies.
...Actually, the more that I think about it, the more surprised I am that this is the first time I've heard this conspiracy theory. Considering it would be easy to kill thousands of Americans if huge chunks of the country lost power for days or weeks....Yikes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communication lines go down, servers in the area go down, transportation of goods and services go down. The new York stock exchange offline for a week!?!? If you knock out power across the country for a week it could take months to recover and would cause a huge hit to the economy.
power_throw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:15:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The blackout was definitely not a planned test. Voltage collapse is what took down large sections of the eastern interconnection. Bringing the power system back to normal isn't as easy as you'd think. Only some power plants can "black start" with no power - most power plants require electricity to start the generators. Many power plants, transformers, and other equipment were damaged during the voltage collapse and required repair or replacement before power plants could begin generating power. Ironically it was actually the preparation for Y2K that allowed the grid to come back as fast as it did and contained further spread of the blackout. As far as power backup systems most places do not have systems to deal with extended outages. These systems generally only cover critical components and may require refueling.
All the NERC reports on the blackout: http://www.nerc.com/pa/rrm/ea/Pages/Blackout-August-2003.aspx I recommend "NERC Final Blackout Recommendations" on 7/13/2004 as it has a detailed list of causes.
Source: I worked for an electric company during the blackout. I had access to the control room, real-time data, and worked with the historical data for months after the blackout.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well there you go. Well I'm sure it was studied extensively anyway.
vegan8r ยท 1516 points ยท Posted at 15:50:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sun is actually the center of the solar system, not the earth! The church doesn't want you to know the truth
lurking_tiger ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:29:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely a major conspiracy here. Heck, even the Pope agrees with you!
Funcuz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:05:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, just for the record, the current pope is on board with modern astronomy and evolution. He even said that basically you'd have to be some kind of idiot to deny it's true.
ThisGuyOnEarth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:13:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure plenty of popes before the current pope have acknowledged this as well. Can't quite remember how far back though.
[deleted] ยท 285 points ยท Posted at 15:51:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Godisdeadbutimnot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:41:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought copernicus fought for that, or tycho?
Komikaze06 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:24:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ikr, we all totally looked in the telescope and saw nothing we swear
Cypraea ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:50:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Checks out, given that if you look through a telescope at the sun you're never gonna see anything ever again.
EricJohn4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:26:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copernicus*?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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EricJohn4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copernicus died before Galileo was even born.
skylarmt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:01:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear, Galileo wasn't punished for his science. He was punished because he was being a dick about it and was pushing a heretical non-scientific agenda with it. Plus, his calculations were flawed and he couldn't justify them.
tl;dr: Galileo did shoddy science, got called out, started publishing heresy, was told to STFU, and published more heresy.
Hele-Hewa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heliocentrism? Sounds like one o them book learnin' words to me, boy. You ain't been reading books now have you? wouldn't want the church to find out about that...
Benramin567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Galileo a christian?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:44:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit what else are they hiding from us? At least Earth is still flat, right?
CyberpunkQueen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:53:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IF THE EARTH IS FLAT THEN HOW CAN THE SKY ROTATE AROUND US WAKE UP SHEEPLE
soomuchcoffee ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:30:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BLASPHEMER!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:41:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The space is isotropic [citation needed]. You can assign any point in space to be the center of the solar system (or even the Universe, for that matter). But with the Sun at the center, the math describing the orbits of celestial bodies becomes somewhat simpler.
NickStuart118 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This fucking hot son of a bitch is literally scorching hot babes in your area
KrisdaKATT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... You are not wrong. Just four of five centuries off in that startling proclamation fact
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Galileo was eventually proven right but couldn't answer many criticisms of his hypothesis at the time and was a right twat about it. Don't be a twat to the pope, not only will it make him upset it will also make a lot of other people upset.
I do suspect that even through his sentence was commuted to permanent house arrest a catholic zealot might have had a hand in his eventual demise.
Poison maybe?
The inquisition still exists by the way.
username1012357654 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
great life advice here
thoselusciouslips ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Galileo was wrong though. He said the planets moved in circles when it's actually elliptical. Kepler was the one who got it right.
leaguechampred ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:12:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, just learned about last fall: Robert Bellarmine was a contemporary of Galileo (a priest, scientist, and now a Saint) and communicated with him frequently over this. Basically, he was like "The Church has basically no problem with geocentrism, and scientists across the Church are realizing this too. We can evolve our interpretation of that one scripture verse if it's the case. Too bad that even though you're probably right, you're kind of a dick and you've written some blatant theological heresy and anti-Church pieces, so you've gotta come to trial in Rome anyways."
It was kind of a gigantic, more-complicated-than-meets-the-eye ecclesial clusterfuck tbh
IrishRepoMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:24:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gunna go pin a list on the church doors.
WolfHero13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freakin nerds, if we moved around the sun then why do my books stay on shelves instead of flying off?
yg_bigj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never even heard of this before and am extensively involved in my church. Idk what church is stating that but they have no clue what they're talking about. The sun is definitely the middle of the solar system
Wagnerous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You joke, but I work with two flat-earthers. It's fucking infuriating,
Boatsmhoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Young Jessie, look this shit up.
"I'm Crazy!"
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no preferred center of the solar system.
PmMeLogicalFallacies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the center of the universe.
Accipiter290 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NAIL HIM TO A FUCKING CROSS
IceNeun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically the center of the solar system is just outside of the sun, but whatevs.
boobityskoobity ยท 579 points ยท Posted at 19:06:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lizard people are real. When I was 9 I wrote a book called "Larry the Lizard" about a lizard who was a detective and had to find a missing plane. Twenty years later I see pictures of Ted Cruz and realize he's Larry -- the green skin, the tail, the fedora, everything. Coincidence? I think not.
nothing_in_my_mind ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:08:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit, there are plenty of people with green skin and tails and they are just regular people. It's just a coincidence that they are all powerful businessmen and politicians.
End_Of_Century ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:09:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome To Nightvale!
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except for Trump, at least the lizards are somewhat competent
T9x978 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:59:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No no no see this is where things are wrong. I think Hillary is a lizard-person, but Ted is the Zodiac killer. Think about it
c4ptainepic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit-- does this have anything to do with Malaysia?!?
catherine2255 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
David icke would also agree with you
im_saying_its_aliens ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com
rgh360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was once a time in my life who a Larry the Lizard and myself were very close.
superjerkingoff187 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey it's big money salvia
purpletofucow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:55 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a lizard, Larry.
Serious-Mode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the morning!
greydenn ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 00:59:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pennsylvania 9/11 jet was shot down by the U.S. military to keep it from crashing into a populated area.
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 01:06:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it was preplanned. They already had a recording for the phone call to that passenger's mom.
KazualUser ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:37:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FDR was pretty certain Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:12:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He knew an attack was coming. He didnt know where
Legend017 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:25:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or when.
Cameron_Black ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or how.
MairmanChao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or by whom. It was probably equally likely that a U.S. ship would be sunk by a U-Boat (much like the Lusitania, the passenger ship sunk by a U-boat during WWI that served as the battle cry for U.S. involvement) or the Japanese would do something to a pacific territory.
picasso_penis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there's a reason so many US ships were destroyed at Pearl Harbor.
Unless you somehow believe that FDR had the foresight to recognize the dominance of the aircraft carrier, in which case I guess you could say that's why they were out of harbor.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually they were all coming back. If the attack had taken place that night the attacks would have been more effective. If he knew then all the carriers should have been leaving.
GaimanitePkat ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 01:55:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll always believe that the "Paul is Dead" conspiracy theory is partially true.
The Beatles did place clues in their songs and albums to hint that Paul had died. It was all going to lead up to a big practical joke reveal. They gave cheeky answers when asked about it, et cetera.
But then Charles Manson happened, and he kept insisting that he had heard secret messages in Beatles songs that justified his insanity.
So now the Fab Four couldn't admit to putting any hidden messages in their songs, even as a joke, because that would give Manson legitimacy. They started getting really pissed off about people asking about it.
I was writing a paper for a class about Paul Is Dead when I came to this conclusion. One of my best papers.
GlazedReddit ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 06:57:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best was the showerthought along the lines of "If Paul McCartney had died and been replaced by a body double, his body double is arguably more accomplished than Paul ever was." Going on to explain since majority of the bands success came AFTER the supposed switch, along with Wings, and all his solo work and song writing.
vivifiction ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:06:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The back-masked "Paul is a dead man, miss him, miss him, miss him" is pretty irrefutable. No way it's not intentional.
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:30:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the time a musician told me he believed the 'Paul is dead' controversy was created by the Beatles themselves knowing they were going to split up and wanting one last payday (of record sales) before they faded into obscurity.
mrbrown666 ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 00:45:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there are no hot single girls nearby who want to fuck with me tonight
PCav1138 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:44:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But have you tried this 1 weird trick?!
Pcatalan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:16:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought it would work. Until I tried it. It really works.
PCav1138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, which 1 weird trick did you use? The one to grow, or the one to get laid?
_Ryukiro_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you do one it gives you guidance to the other its great
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:18:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sam_MMA ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Confidence and being funny gets you just as far as being shredded. I'm athletic but not super cut and it's not hard to pull.
davidm27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean how much money do you have
ARsurfer19 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 04:10:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The illuminati - just not the cartoon version peddled by tin foilers. But there really are large, powerful, deeply entrenched organizations and entities who own the media companies, and most importantly, control the pre-selected candidates and topics on which the unwashed masses are allowed to disagree upon. Pouring money into the military industrial complex and financial rip offs are never touched, discussed, debated, or questioned. People cry over bathrooms, the sexually disturbed, welfare, guns, and marijuana. These are emotional hot buttons which opposing sides will never agree upon. And no matter which direction policy shifts on these things, The sacred cows are unaffected. It's a complete fraud. All of it.
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:53:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really a conspiracy. I think, just like I believe many others do, that there's absolutely fucking nothing we can do about it without giving up our conveniences and luxuries. We'd rather live in a bullshit world with comfy beds and food on the table than a "fair world" with an uprising, a destabilized government, possible infrastructure failure, possible military invasion, etc. What can we really do?
Beezlegorp ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:08:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a pretty bittersweet statement. Unfortunately I completely agree with you.
nofate301 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:40:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is behind the jailbreak community and uses it to test features and experiment with the user base.
[deleted] ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 23:15:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:30:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The small detail of no longer beyond royal at that time kind of derails this, no?
Adventure_Inc ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 05:00:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By God the dumbest thing I've read tonight.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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debunkernl ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:57:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like every airport in the world?
usrnames123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've flown probably over 1000 times in hundreds of airports. Ive never seen any of them act like the ones in the UK. Everything is a liquid (deodorant, chapstick, lipstick, creams, inhalers, mascara, etc) and you get one bag that must fit them all and zip. I get there are liquid rules everywhere, but none that have classified as many things as a liquid as they do here or enforced it as strictly.
debunkernl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of the things you mention will be seen as fluid in every airport in Europe, the Americas and most other places in the world. Beyond that, I was able to fly from the U.K. just last week with simply my toiletries bag opened. No ziplock required. But perhaps more important, these shops behind customs have been there since long before the liquid in hand luggage became relevant. They are just popular and easy to carry gifts for people travelling.
bouquineuse644 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime I've flown from Ireland to the UK, there have been different standards for what needs to be in the little plastic bag. In Ireland (and in Italy actually) they're very laid back, require only actual liquids and gels to be in the bag, and off I go. In the UK, everything becomes a liquid. Even things like a non-liquid lipstick or chapstick, which I normally just keep in my purse. In Ireland, mini deodorants don't need to go in the bag, in the UK they do. I had one guy try to tell me my eyeshadow had to be in the bag or the bin because "it's a cosmetic and that falls under the liquid/gel rule!". I don't know if he was conning me or just new to/bad at his job, but it's ridiculous to have to completely repack a bag that was fine the way it was two days ago, a hop, skip and a jump away over the Irish Sea.
debunkernl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:57:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was just following the rules the way they are set out. That some people are becoming more lenient is fine, but don't put blame the people just doing their job.
bouquineuse644 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what world is a pressed powder a liquid? Powder is literally the opposite of a liquid. If he'd been told that cosmetics fell under liquids, they almost definitely meant only the liquid cosmetics. I have never experienced a powder eye shadow having to be put in a plastic bag in any other country including the States, which had the most extreme security checks I've ever experienced, and I've also never seen any airline, airport or travel group advising people that powder make up needed to be put in the bag. It wasn't even on any of the written documentation on the walls around the security check that we were in.
All evidence that I can see points to the individual not properly understanding what needed to go in the bag. If you can find any documentation from the UK that would indicate that he was just following the rules then I'd be happy to look at those, but until then, I'm assuming that he was the issue.
I appreciate that in many many cases, it's the organ grinders problem, not the monkeys, and I try to be aware of this when I deal with people. But you don't get to be bad at your job and then hide behind "policy". It doesn't work that way.
debunkernl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was mainly referring to that. But yes, eyeshadow shouldn't be a problem, but there was no reason to get that out of the bag regardless, so I wonder how this ever became an issue in the first place. And beyond that, it could be caused by a plethora of reasons, be it training, lack of knowledge, whatever it might be, but a conspiracy it is not.
bouquineuse644 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry if I was harsh. My experience with a ridiculous security guard isn't a reason to snap at you. It was just such a horrible experience. It definitely didn't help that he was rude, and thought the best way to explain why I hadn't had to have the eye shadow in a bag on the way over was because the Irish were "a bunch of lazy bastards who can't do anything right".
Oh I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just see where they're coming from singling out the UK. I can confirm they are stricter, but I don't think it has anything to do with their airport shopping.
debunkernl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. I'm Dutch, so I need a whole lot more before I get offended ;). And yes, rude and discriminating people at airports are the worst!
usrnames123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think you forgot this is a thread on conspiracies
debunkernl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:21:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I give a completely logical explanation for something that you see as a conspiracy. Do with that what you want.
punkerster101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uk person here, it has always been like that. Though they do gouge on Tavel stuff everywhere now.
I didnโt think we where any more struck than any other EU airport mind you
ronimal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those shops all existed before there were restrictions on bringing liquids through security
voiderror404 ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 22:52:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beyonce was not preggo with blue ivy. Aside from her belly folding, if you look at her recent pregancy now, its a huge difference. Everyone holds her to a high standard so she putts out the image of being perfect
Also jay z had his mistress killed. As soon as she was going to go to the media she dies out of nowhere. Money is power.
Sorry for the spelling errors
woobinsandwich ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 02:11:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely agree with the Beyoncรฉ one. Same goes for a lot of famous women. They fake their pregnancy using a surrogate and prosthetic stomachs so they don't ruin their image. And then a few months later after the "birth" they can sell a story to a popular magazine about how their hard work and intense diet and exercise routine helped them lose their baby weight.
Caelinus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:38:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a woman who did have an extremely controlled diet, and she only took a break from running during the latter half of the third trimester.
A month after her pregnancy she looked completely the same as she had before.
She was absurdly healthy and had a serious genetic advantage though, so I have no idea if that is possible for most celebrities.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:26:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a good use of resources.
fairiestoldmeto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Much easier to have a planned caesarian at 36 weeks before the belly ever really gets stretched and then hire a night nanny and a personal trainer.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:30:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jay Z had a mistress?
JohnFinnsWife ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:06:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Becky with the good hair.
fluffles724 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:07:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beyoncรฉ already way out of his league :/
actuarally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it weird that I'm WAY more into Rita Ora, though?
breakingbadforlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:36 on September 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
check out 4:44
whiskeynostalgic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:42:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just so I am clear you are saying that she looks really different during this pregnancy vs the first one?
If so it proves nothing. I was tiny and small with my first pregnancy. With my youngest I was only 10 lbs heavier in terms of weight and carried like I was having twins. I was the size of someone carrying two babies so I had to be checked for twins. My physical appearance in my two pregnancies was night and day.
voiderror404 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:20:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why her pregnant stomach fold. I'm no expert but they dint usually do that right? Lol
octobertwins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The weird thing is, she always hid her belly. Wouldn't let anyone touch it, etc.
This pregnancy, she's showing her bare bump proudly.
I think they used a surrogate the first time around. Maybe she couldn't get pregnant, despite intervention. fertility treatments worked this time.
Literal_SJW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that a common thing with first time parents to be over protective but then the second time around they relax a bit more?
okocacola ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not disagreeing with you, but you do know she's having twins this time around right? That would account for the difference
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are pictures of her being pregnant in Hvar. Croatian journalists aren't professional enough to be a part of such a huge conspiracy as helping Beyonce fake her pregnancy without blathering about it to someone.
voiderror404 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then how did her real pregnant stomach fold when she sat down? It wasnt the fabric of the dress
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude pregnant stomachs are weird as fuck.
breakingbadforlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:54 on September 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he basically admitted the mistress part in 4:44 tho
party_shaman ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 02:41:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again but in English
iamnegartus ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 02:51:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Siri is always listening and gathering data. If she can pick out 'hey siri' she must always be listening?
mean95c ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:36:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be with you on this except that my iPhone's Siri never reacts to me saying "Hey Siri". It'll react to rando shit on my television or just in the middle of me and others conversing, but never once when I've said "Hey Siri".
It maybe listening but it doesn't understand a damn thing.
summerfr33ze ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:18:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would take an insane amount of server space to hold all that data, and if it was sending data while you were off wifi then you'd know because your phone bill would go up. It's unlikely that Apple could monetize the majority of your conversations, so collecting all that information would waste way more money than it would create. Lastly,but most importantly, it would take only one hacker figuring out what they were doing before their reputation would be permanently destroyed, and they'd lose billions as people boycott Apple products. The risk/benefit ratio makes no sense here.
HelterSkeletor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:11:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except you can easily do voice to text conversion on the device, do keyword analysis and then compress the chunks and send that back for further analysis
simcowking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try it with your phone in your pocket.
HelterSkeletor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:50:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try walking around with Shazam on auto in your pocket all day. It will happily pickup and identify songs wherever you go. This is just an extension of that functionality
Fartingboi6969 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh oh. You're already refering to it as a sentient being. We're all doomed.
__Noodles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:22:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, trust me, turn off "hey Siri", and never buy an amazon echo.
Wiki_pedo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:47:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon Echo - I can't think of when I'd need it to order more tissues for me, or to tell me the capital of Ireland, etc, unless I was constantly kneading dough or changing motor oil or otherwise had filthy hands.
hybridhighway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a special chip on the phone which is specifically always listening for "Hey Siri" every two seconds
dinosaregaylikeme ยท 274 points ยท Posted at 18:32:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Musk is an Alien. He wants to get home and that is why he wants to go to Mars so bad.
Cryptonat ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 21:30:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Musk phone home' just doesn't quite have the correct ring to it.
General_Mayhem ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:07:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
E-lon?
LucyLilium92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda sounds like "must phone home" though
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 20:21:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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reodd ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:09:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a picture of him getting into a car holding a paperback of Excession.
vtardif ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:20:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like he's a big nerd
B_Provisional ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:34:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think that a being from an hyper-advanced civilization which happens to view employment as literally being part-time slavery would have better labor relations.
TaiVat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:31:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much an insult to Special Circumstances given that Musk is a glorified PR guy with a lot of money to throw around for his sci fi dreams. He's done a great job of building up a cult of fans, but hasnt really achieved much practical stuff at all, let alone had any involvement in anything technical himself.
I sure as hell hope if culture were out there and came to help out, they'd send someone more competent and, well, actually helpful.
webtwopointno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:19:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reusable space travel and beautiful electric cars don't count?
TaiVat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:28 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No? Electrical cars were in development before Musk and half of his research for batteries is stuff he took from other sources anyway, goverment research or something like that. Not to mention that said electric cars are nothing but a goverment subsidized gimmick for the rich only, atleast so far.
And "reusable" space travel, i really dont get the hype. Exploration, launching satelites etc. have been done for decades now, at best this brings the prices down a bit. Big deal..
webtwopointno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:17 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no shit sherlock. but he made them sexy, desirable; which was my point
i don't know whether to laugh at your derision or pity your incomprehension
it's already bringing prices down. and they will fall much further, the disposable launch vehicle is a high cost and a barrier to further space eXploration. Learn something and then maybe you would understand the hype
#logistics
that being said i do share some of your concerns regarding the personality cult, especially here on reddit
dinosaregaylikeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes more sense.
union_jane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like a beautiful tale to be told.
Rhumidian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:12:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
watch 'the man who fell to earth' starring David Bowie. Its pretty much this.
union_jane ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:22:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 15% that, 25% inexplicable and 60% weird sex.
gaslightlinux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The Man Who Fell to Earth"
mrponkyshonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
repost trying to farm for karma?
dinosaregaylikeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spreading the agenda
GenXer1977 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a time traveler. Earth is destroyed in the future and he came back to move as much of humanity to Mars as possible before Earth bites it.
kaplanfx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You totally just stole this idea from the plot of a fantastic Kurt Vonnegut novel: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirens_of_Titan
Edit: here is the relevant part "Salo, the Tralfamadorian explorer, is a robot built millennia earlier to carry a message to a distant galaxy. His spacecraft is powered by the Universal Will to Become or UWTB, the "prime mover" which makes matter and organization wish to appear out of nothingness. (UWTB, Vonnegut informs the reader, was responsible for the Universe in the first place and is the greatest imaginable power source). A small component on Salo's spacecraft breaks and strands him here in the Sol System for over 200 millennia. He requests help from Tralfamadore, and his fellow Tralfamadorians respond by manipulating human history so that primitive humans evolve and create a civilization in order to produce the replacement part."
dinosaregaylikeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what tnat is but I love it
vayyiqra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien wants to go back home and becomes a genius enterpreneur is the plot of The Man Who Fell to Earth starring David Bowie.
Cirias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:26:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Elon Musk likes David Bowie's music! It all fits together!
Chilternburt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he's South African and he's just trying to get as far away as possible from "home" hahaha
MEGACOMPUTER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Man Who Fell To Earth
kreynlan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:48:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They exiled him on Earth. He wants to nuke Mars for "terraforming," but we all know he wants to exact his revenge on those who would cast out the great and powerful Musk!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best one so far lmao. Would explain all the advanced technology.
giddycocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... what in the fuck is advanced about Tesla? They're rebooting older concepts using modern day tech someone else made possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao it was a joke dick pincher
LyfeIn2D ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:55:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The People's Temple was a CIA ops.
pc14 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:36:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought The People's Temple was just above The Rock's ear
CryptoTrashman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to hear more about this one. Googling isn't as fun as having someone try to explain it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More info?
DCGunslinger ยท 1539 points ยท Posted at 16:09:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So.....
TITANIC, was sunk by J.P. Morgan to help create the Federal Reserve
On April 10, 1912, the Titanic, largest and most luxurious ship afloat, left Southampton, England on her maiden voyage to New York City. Just before the launch hundreds had canceled their tcketsโincluding the owner of this prestigious vessel, J.P. Morgan and many of his banker/industrialist friends. Inexplicably fitted with insufficient lifeboats, well able to survive a frontal collision with any obstacle, carrying the wrong colored distress flares, in calm seas with excellent visibility, the Titanic side-swiped an iceberg at 11:40 P.M. on the night of April 14 and sank. 1522 diedโฆ
Consider the facts: 1. Notorious banker J.P. Morgan, architect of the equally notorious Federal Reserve Bank and owner of the White Star Line, was scheduled to be on the Titanicโs maiden voyage, but mysteriously canceled at the last minute, โdue to ill health.โ Two days after the disaster Morgan was found to be in good health in the south of France. This fact alone condemns the official Titanic story. [It is interesting to speculate that if Morgan had been onboard and gone down with the ship, his banking empire might have foundered, and the world wouldnโt now be experiencing the current JP Morgan Chase banking scandal!]
J.P. Morgan had several valuable bronze statues taken off the Titanic an hour before it sailed
Some of the cancellations...
Left to right: Pro-Fed JP Morgan, Joseph Ismay survived. Anti-Fed John Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim died
Amongst those on board were many industrialists heading to America to try and stop the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank. These powerful men opposed the competitive ventures of the Morgans, Rothschilds, and Rockefellers. Had they lived they would have used their wealth and influence to block the Fed and oppose World War I. Among them were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss, and Jacob Astor; all of whom went down with the Titanic.
There is a wealth of evidence, including forensic corroboration from the wreck, that the ship that sank was in fact the Titanicโs sister ship, the โOlympicโ. The Olympic had been previously damaged in a collision, essentially making it an insurance write-off, and had been switched with the Titanic and deliberately sunk as part of an elaborate insurance fraud.*
*Note: This is very reminiscent of the 9/11 insurance fraud. In 2001 the World Trade Center badly needed a very costly refurbishment, including the stripping out of hundreds of tons of dangerous asbestos. Demolition had been suggested as a cheaper alternative. Then, right on cue, we had the โterror attacksโโand WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein pocketed the $4.5 billion insurance payout.
How are the Federal Reserve and Titanic Connected? Shrouded in mystery and speculation, the sinking of the Titanic has many strange coincidences and anomalies surrounding it, the most prevalent involving the US governmentโs central banking system, the Federal Reserve, founded as a private establishment in 1913. Conspiracy theorists believe that many of the proprietors of the Federal Reserve were part of an Illuminati, a group of enlightened ones behind a New World Order in charge of overseeing certain events to establish themselves in places of power. In 1910, seven men met on Jekyll island just off the coats of Georgia to plan the Federal Reserve Bank. Nelson Aldrich and Frank Vanderclip represented the Rockefeller (Illuminati) financial empire. Henry Davidson, Charles Norton and Benjamin Strong represented J.P. Morgan (Illuminati). Paul Warburg (Illuminati) represented the Rothschilds (Illuminati) Banking dynasty of Europe. The Rothschilds were the banking agents for the Jesuits and hold โthe key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church.โ
The officers of the Titanic. Captain Edward Smith circled.
The Jesuit Connection
Captain of the Titanic, Edward Smith, was a โJesuit tempore co-adjutorโ. Meaning that he was not a priest, but a Jesuit of the short robe. Theorists believe that J.P. Morgan was also a Jesuit and put Smith in charge of captaining the Titanic as well as being responsible for its construction. Those in belief of the theory state that Jesuits served their order via profession and that both Morgan and Smith were in on the plan. Smith had navigated the waters of the Atlantic for 26 years and was regarded as the master of the icy waters that the Titanic would traverse. Those who support the theory believe that the Titanic tragedy was planned from the beginning. From the insufficient number of lifeboats, to the distress flares being shot off the boat being the wrong color, suggesting a party rather than distress. Theorists believe that the sacrifice of innocent and the deaths of over a thousand individuals was a planned, casualties of a war aimed at changing how the country and the world would operate. The whole world knows what happened on the night of April 14, 1912 and how the Titanic shipwreck became one of the events that changed the world. In December of 1913, the Federal Reserve System came into being in the United States. Eight months later, the Jesuits had sufficient funding through the Federal Reserve Bank to begin World War I. Notice the Federal Reserve was established soon after the disaster of the Titanic. Those who opposed the creation of the Federal Reserve all died with the Titanic.
Slysteeler ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 00:24:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This can be debunked quite easily by looking at the titanic shipwreck. Although the RMS Titanic and RMS Olympic were sister ships there were still a number of differences in design as Titanic was built slightly later. One of the most prominent changes made to the titanic was the promenade deck which was enclosed towards the front, on the olympic it was left open all the way through. There were also quite a few other more subtle changes such as different placements of portholes and vents around the ship.
Also when the RMS Olympic was dismantled at the end of its life, the fittings within the ship still retained the original number used to identify Olympic from Titanic during construction. Similarly fittings and parts recovered from the Titanic shipwreck contain Titanicโs number and not Olympicโs. Therefore the ship that sank is definitely Titanic and not Olympic.
KansasBurri ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 20:39:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something interesting about the not enough life boats was that the Titanic actually had MORE lifeboats than laws at the time required. It was only after the sinking that stricter laws were put into place.
Parraddoxx ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:54:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And irrc there was a weird system in place that rewarded ship owners for having fewer life boats because then the ship was "obviously" safer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this was because the law regulating the life boats numbers were done in realtion to ship mass and hadn't been changed.
Basically when the law passed, long before Titanic, there were few ships above X tons, and not much above that, so they just said "ship above X tons must have Y lifeboats"
loaferuk123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The theory was that because it travelled busy shipping lanes, the lifeboats would acts as shuttles to rescue ships, rather than just being used once.
[deleted] ยท 179 points ยท Posted at 19:47:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've said for a long time that the construction wasn't the issue, it was that the steel was brittle when exposed to that extreme cold.
joshuammeyer ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 20:20:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See: Ductile to brittle transition for BCC metals
Lowtiercomputer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:39:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
body centered cubic for those wondering
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:26:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold can't break steel beams, bro.
gaslightlinux ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:41:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Icerbergs can't freeze steel beams" would have worked so much better.
kingnai ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:34:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the new evidence suggesting a coal fire: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/world/europe/titanic-coal-fire-iceberg.html
RogerFedererFTW ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:37:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also it wasn't in perfect visibility, nowhere near that to be exact
kopkiwi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:56:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't calm waters the worst for picking out icebergs because there is no white caps from hitting said ice bergs?
ArcticAirship ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention the fact that the Titanic didn't hit the iceberg head-on. The ship started to turn when the iceberg was seen, but could not turn quickly enough and so rather than collide on the bow, the iceberg hit and scraped the side, opening holes in the hull across several of the watertight compartments before they could be sealed.
[deleted] ยท 372 points ยท Posted at 21:17:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So.... are you saying that Morgan paid an iceberg to be in the way? Are you saying that the captain of the ship who was going to die also purposely hit the berg? Even if you say that Morgan intentionally included too few lifeboats, that doesn't create the impetus for sinking. Survivors of the titanic recall the iceberg, so it's not like a made-up thing we have to guess at.
Red_Snipper ยท 392 points ยท Posted at 22:10:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he left out the part where the Iceberg was in on establishing the new world order.
Jokes on the Iceberg's though, they got screwed over in the deal thanks to rampant industrialization their kind are dying off quickly.
Iceberg's should take this as a lesson not to deal with the Illuminati.
rabtj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:43:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think if you dig into the true story of the sinking of the Titanic you will find that the iceberg was actually a secret "boat sinker" submarine disguised as an iceberg, being sailed by a zombie Amelia Earhart.
Get your fuckin facts straight.
bigglenn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:06:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They set sail with a coal fire raging in the hull just about where the iceberg (any iceberg) would do the job, as outlined above op post. Documentary 2017 - Titanic the New Evidence (2017) - Channel 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRa6MDian0
TheInternetShill ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:14:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iceberg. Jews did Titanic
Dalimey100 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:54:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this conspiracy feels like it makes sense when you're mired in all the little fleshed out details, but then you zoom out and see the holes. Not seeing the forest for the trees, that kinda thing.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a theory that white star swapped names of ships: titanic become Olympic and Olympic became titanic. Olympic had been damaged and white star was about to lose the early 1900s equivalent to millions, so they disguised it as titanic and planned to sink it. And some believe "titanic" sank due to a fire and not an iceberg. The damage to Olympic, which had been repaired with a sheet of steel got hot in the fire and caused a weak spot. All this was done for insurance money. There is a boom called The Ship That Never Sank by Gardiner if you want to read more.
wowsux133 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:43:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The damage on the Olympic was on the stern though, which would mean the ship would have had to both hit the iceberg at the stern and sink stern first, which we know from eyewitness accounts isn't the case at all.
Democrab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:33:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Furthermore, apparently the ship design could have taken an impact directly on from the iceburg and likely survived with significant damage. The actual insurance fraud theory says they purposely hit it at an angle to sink it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really a fascinating (and horrific) event.
Dark_messengeR ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ship fuel does not melt steel beams
k9centipede ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:37:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you put out some steel spoons and a bowl of ice, come morning, the ice will be ALL melted, but the spoons will have hardly melted at all!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:31:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never said I believe it.
Kleemin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:43:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he seems to be saying the captain side swiped the iceberg on purpose. Not sure why you are so defensive, Mr. Illuminti guy!!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:00:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ms. Illuminati LADY, thank you
Adamskinater ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:11:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a Jew that sunk the titanic! Iceberg
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:12:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you read the new theory where they believe it wasn't the iceberg that caused the sinking. It was actually more due to a fire on the ship creating the steel to weaken
Cypraea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of icebergs in the sea, perfectly easy to adjust course and hit one.
CreamyGoodnss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's another piece of the theory that the 'Titanic' was rammed by another vessel (running with its lights off) that was fitted to breach the hull below the water line
bigglenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, pretty much that is correct.
They set sail with a coal fire raging in the hull just about where the iceberg (any iceberg) would do the job, as outlined above op post. Documentary 2017 - Titanic the New Evidence (2017) - Channel 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRa6MDian0
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe the captain made it off. not that unreasonable to propose.
mrtorrence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard of this theory before but I think what he is implying is that the captain was in on the plan and was an expert at navigating the icy waters they had to traverse and could have easily avoided the iceberg if he wanted to.
ParkLife93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also can't forget the fact that basically every white star line ship had too few lifeboats
AlexTraner ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The captain was explained in one version I heard. He was in on it because it was his shop (the Olympic) and his fault she had been damaged previously. Something about honor.
BrianRampage ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:41:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the old adage that a ship captain who damaged a ship must regain his honor by sinking a ship, committing insurance fraud and killing hundreds of innocent people including himself in the process. It's basically the preface to the handbook "Admiralty for Dummies".
AlexTraner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah exactly!
I am going off memory there was a really good post explaining it and Iโm not good at explaining it haha I was hoping someone would jump in and fill in details.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His shop had too much overhead.
[deleted] ยท 469 points ยท Posted at 22:54:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, both WTC towers have asbestos. That needs to be removed." "Mmmm, that sounds awfully expensive...why don't I just coordinate a terrorist attack where four planes are hi-jacked and two of them hit both towers, one hits the Pentagon, and one crashes in a field. Hopefully the towers will completely collapse as well. Yup, that should do it. Now I won't have to pay to remove the asbestos. Instead, I'll just fake a terrorist attack and kill 3000 Americans."
MrAcurite ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:09:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to feed into this stuff too far, but if people knew that I had an asbestos problem, and someone from the CIA said "psst, instead of paying to demolish and rebuild your buildings, just take the insurance payout as hush money for helping us with a terrorist plot," I might take a little while to think about it.
ottobottled ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:52:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about killing for an insurance payout. Would you really have to think about it?
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:53:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_PIC_4_COMPLIMENTS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:25:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the payout or number of casualties? Either way, I'm in.
__theoneandonly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The value of the towers was $7 billion. He was in the process of raising the insurance, but he hadn't gotten around to actually doing it.
TThor ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 06:02:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in the 90s various big cigerette companies were sued into the dirt by the federal government, because internal documents showed these companies had known the dangers of smoking for decades while at the same time telling the government and the public smoking was perfectly safe and fighting any allegations otherwise tooth and nail.
These companies killed people to help their profit margin; when dealing with big money I wouldn't put anything past sociopaths. (fun fact, it was this lawsuit that is the reason the federal government to this day is so incredibly harsh on smoking and the tobacco industry, many people in congress felt a burning rage at these companies in the aftermath)
drawdeadonk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:49:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have killed for alot less than an insurance payout on 2 of the largest skyscrapers in the world.
ottobottled ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to think those people are few and far between, and not browsing a conspiracy theory thread.
wabty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:44:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people would even do it for something in the x million range.
mrtstew ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:58:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know people that would do it for $100 bucks a head.
Gangsterpete ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
30 grand? That's college tuition money. Meh, I don't even know these people.
ottobottled ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd do a lot for a million, but killing 3k would weigh heavy on most people.
I'm not saying that the wtc wasn't an inside job, I'm saying most of us could never do something so horrible.
cryo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:40:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they wouldnโt.
Dekar173 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:05:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most? I disagree.
Plugitinmrshulgin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you're naive enough to think that evil doesn't exist...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:05:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OR there was simply a terrorist attack on American soil carried out by terrorists...
MrAcurite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I really hope happened, but until FoIA requests can be carried out, I'm always going to have some primal, niggling doubt in the back of my brain.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Schuba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explain?
vayyiqra ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:00:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes perfect sense! But how do I know you're not in on the asbestos conspiracy too and this is just a false flag to deflect attention away from the lizard folk that really did it? The rabbithole deepens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have caught me. My name is Larry Silverstein and this is my reddit account. I may have to "pull" my comment now...
Cypraea ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:39:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just arrange for terrorists to get the idea and point them at the world trade center; oh whoops, they took the idea and ran with it, taking four planes instead of two.
The targeting of the pentagon seems astonishingly boneheaded compared to the WTC selections, given the shape of the thing (it's a hollow pentagon, quite low to the ground, and much less populated); I can believe that selection came from a different source.
And of course the Pennsylvania crash was not the terrorists' goal but a direct result of passenger interference.
(Though as far as plausibility goes, I find it more likely that somebody was looking to kick off a war and/or jump-start the erosion of liberties, and somebody in the planning stages looked at all the various possible targets and decided it would be nice and profitable to hit the asbestos bird with the same stone. Whether Silverstein was in on it in exchange for the profitable insurance windfall or some friend in high places arranged it to favor him, could go either way. The general main weakness of conspiracies is the number of people who you're depending on to keep their mouths shut.)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:44:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pentagon doesnt sound like a bone headed idea.
Wtc - attack on the economy
Pentagon- attack on the military command.
If youre fighting a war those are the two biv things yoy want to kill because if you cant pay or lead men youve got no army.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:37:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing most conspiracy theorists overlook was that there was no plot to destroy the World Trade Center. The (quite reasonable) expectation was that the buildings would be damaged, the collapse was very fortunate for the terrorists. From a Bin Laden tape:
"Though as far as plausibility goes, I find it more likely that somebody was looking to kick off a war and/or jump-start the erosion of liberties"
Cause and effect switched? 9/11 was used by the government as a great excuse to do things they wanted to do anyway, but their profit is no proof they caused it (similar situation to Pearl Harbour, where many insist the president must have been responsible because it helped him). To invade Iraq, there would have been far easier undercover operations possible (like arming his enemies as "freedom fighters").
CreamyGoodnss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:39:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terror attacks are about symbolism. They knew that they couldn't 'destroy' the pentagon but it could be attacked and damaged. They had the same idea for the Twin Towers, they didn't actually expect to bring them down, especially since they had already tried that once before and it didn't work.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest issue I have with conspiracy theorists is that they refuse to acknowledge the possibility that what happened is exactly what it seems. A terrorist attack. They have to jump through a million hoops to explain every little aspect of that day just to make their idea work.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 hit WTC7 with considerable debris, causing structural damage and fires (several eye witnesses described it as a "scoop" being taken out of the building). These fires went almost undeterred for the course of the day and several firefighters said the building was "leaning" and was "going to collapse".
If you look at a diagram of the building, it had a unique design, similar to WTC1 and 2, in that you have the core frame, and then trusses outward connecting the outer shell. Over the course of the day, a critical column (#79, if you want to look up the building diagram) gave way and the internal collapse commenced. This is clearly seen in video of the collapse as the penthouse of the building collapses (signifying the internal components failing) and then a few seconds later the rest of the shell comes down, as its core support had already experience progressive collapse.
Every single conspiracy video about WTC7 that I have seen leaves out the part where the penthouse collapses, simply because it destroys the myth that the building fell at free fall. The collapsing penthouse also provides insight into the internal collapse before the visible outside shell does moments later.
I'm happy to hear criticism of this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When a flaming building collapses and hits another building, don't you think its possible that a fire could start from that?
Do you really not believe the building was on fire?
The core of the building collapsed. This is shown by the penthouse collapse and once it had progressively failed, the shell came down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:50 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The penthouse is used to signify that the building had started collapsing but wasn't seen from the outside. The penthouse portion of the building wouldn't pull the building over, so I'm not sure where you think that is possible.
As I stated before, the inside of the building progressively collapsed. You can see the progression by the sudden shutters of the windows from one side to the other. Once the insides had failed, the shell had nothing to support it, and it collapsed downward. Essentially, the shell kept most of the building going straight down, then the shell fell on top.
So the Secret Service and CIA occupied a few stories in the building...so they would need to demolish an entire building to hide evidence of the 9/11 attacks? I don't get it. The logistics of coordinating this to hide some papers is absolutely astonishing and highly improbable.
Check out 1:37 in this video to see a great animation of how it collapsed: WTC7 Collapse
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:18 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:03 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "scoop" helped weaken the structure. The inside progressively collapsed from one side to the other, then the outer shell came down. I've said it two times now and is also demonstrated in the video.
"...even though you don't actually know for sure." That is your quote about me, and then you follow that with, "It was a controlled demolition, that's why it fell how it did". It sure sounds like you know for sure what happened, despite not providing any evidence for your side.
TinuvielsHairCloak ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:28:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then start a really expensive war!
bbbdddeee ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:41:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But war is good for the economy......
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:41:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when you invade a super-rich and geostragecally important location like ... Afghanistan! /s
Well, many people I've talked to seriously believe that. Left or right, they can't imagine that there may be reasons for people to do things other than money. Despite if you actually look at people's lifes, a lot of their day-to-day decisions are made because they are concerned about what others think about them and ideologies.
Tyler1986 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:40:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds crazy, but for $4.5 billion it becomes more believable, imo.
__theoneandonly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The value of the towers was $7 billion. Everyone took massive financial losses from 9/11.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of evidence conspiracy theorists need in order to prove even a single aspect of the 9/11 conspiracy is staggering, and they still have almost NONE. How they view the attacks is, "mmmm, this guy wanted a lot of insurance money for those towers, so therefore everything required to make that a possibility must be true."
JCelsius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well when you put it like that...
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:50:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still doesn't explain WTC 7. Check out "The ring of power" documentary. They explain how the leaseholder and everybody involved in the purchase were dual US/Israel citizens. Suddenly their country and companies recieve billions in aid, and insurance. It goes much deeper than you think.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a matter of fact, about half of American leadership positions are controlled by Jews (roughly 2% of the population). I'm not concerned about this "Jewish privilege" because I believe in HBD, but it might explain how you end up with so many Jews in one place.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this case it's merely a motive.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have no evidence.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:04:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a building just falls magically out of the sky, which building 7 did, and you don't have any further questions? In fact, there is recorded video evidence of the owner of the building saying "They had to pull building 7" essentially saying that fire fighters had to bring it down. Do you know how long it takes to set a building up for a controlled demo? Do you know the CEO for the security company who was contracted for the towers, and Dulles airport was at the time? hint... his last name is the same as the president at the time, because it was his brother.
There have been multiple studies of the area around the towers where samples have been taken, and have shown that neutron bombs had been detonated in the area. Pictures of cars that weren't anywhere near the fire but somehow burned confirm that a strong blast occured near the base of the buildings.
Also, the only firm that was connected to Israel (Zim Israeli) that operated in the Wtc mysteriously terminated their lease early and paid a 30k fine mere a month before the event.
I could keep going for hours, trust me, but if you don't want to hear it.. why should I waste my energy?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:58:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have managed to answer your own question. WTC7 had been on fire since 8 in the morning and collapsed at 5 in the evening. In several videos from Ground Zero, you can hear firefighters saying that it is going to collapse. Saying that they were going to "pull it" doesn't mean that the firefighters had rigged an entire building with explosives...it simply means they pulled their men from the building and would let it burn out/collapse.
That Bush myth has been around for ages and is not actually backed by any evidence or records.
Watch the video of the collapse closely. It is clearly the inner frame collapses due to structural failure, which leaves the outside for a moment as a standing shell. The shell then comes down with relative ease because almost all of the core has already collapsed. You can see the internal collapse in the movement of the windows just moments before total collapse.
No, please. Waste your energy. I love this.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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__theoneandonly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arguing semantics on someone's choice of pronoun during a time of huge national and person crisis is dumb.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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__theoneandonly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lost the case to get his money, so we didn't pay for that. He lost because he was in the process of raising his insurance before it happened. But he didn't actually get around to doing it. So the contract had been drawn up with the insurance, but he never got around to finishing it and starting the new policy. (Which seems pretty dumb for someone who was ""in the know"")
How the fuck does having an insurance policy on a building and then filing a claim when it comes down make you a crook?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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__theoneandonly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you think he made money off this? He lost billions.
He got a payout of $4.55 billion, but lost $7 billion worth of property. Then he didn't get to collect any revenue from the property for 13 years while he had to spend billions building a new sky scraper.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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__theoneandonly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not an easy path to follow at all. I'm still unsure where the profit you mean is coming from. His total insurance payout was $4.5 billion. He didn't make $4.5 billion twice, or per claim, or anything like that.
I can see how re-building one tower is cheaper than re-building two towers. But with that considered, he still took a net loss when it's all said and done.
MarginallyUseful ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:49:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JET FUEL STEEL BEEEEEEEEEAMSSSSSSSS
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:07:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have clearly done a lot of research if you say WTC7 was a brick and steel building.
KennyKwan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:04:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to hear it!
titykaka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:31:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... Neutron bombs? In downtown New York? That's insane.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know!!!! http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/02/vt-nuclear-education-undeniable-proof-of-911-as-a-nuclear-event/
titykaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is tossycock.
PorcupinePettingZoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you say so.
IrrelevantLeprechaun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was orchestrated but obviously not for these reasons.
you_sir_are_a_poopy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:53:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... ofc 9/11 was orchestrated, it wasn't just a random event.
Gigadweeb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:33:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I don't think 9/11 as a whole was orchestrated, I wouldn't be surprised if some wealthy people caught wind and decided not to tell, if they figured out they could uh... gain quite a large amount of oil.
you_sir_are_a_poopy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:39:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was being cheeky and saying ofc it was orchestrated by Osama.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if something were fishy. These people who obsess about it drive me nuts (have some in my life)
SemenDemon182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:38:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like conspiracy theories but the general 9/11 conspiracy nut is just too far.. There's heaps of evidence suggesting that the towers could easily fall naturally.. But no, controlled demo, thermite bla bla.. Just stop it. E: by this i mean the steel beams, jet fuel, all that stuff.
The furthest i will ever believe this, is a Pearl Harbor type of situation.. knew something would happen but just turned the cheeck for whatever reason.
Lobos1988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like maybe they demolished the building out of fear it might topple over and take other buildings down with it. That would satisfy most conspiracy theories since there was a controlled demolition and of course you can't just say:'We had to blow it to save other buildings, so we killed a lot of people to prevent an even bigger desaster.'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What degree are you willing to go? The Bush admin knowing a specific date and location for the attack and letting it happen? Or the Bush admin being in charge? Or how about the building being rigged with explosives and a missile being shot into the Pentagon? How far on the scale are you willing to go?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:22:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:02:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You actually got downvoted, lol. This doesn't even take into account the physical improbability of pulling off such a perfect event.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was pretty damn close if it weren't for the passengers storming the cockpit.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This issue here is you point to "holes" that you have absolutely no evidence for, in terms of supporting your case.
Viperbunny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are desperate to believe it was a conspiract because it is terrifying to believe the US government could miss something so big. But they did.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think that the terrorists actually planned to destroy the entire World Trade Center? I haven't seen any evidence for them wanting more than causing massive damage. That the entire buildings would collapse was fortunate for them, they weren't geniuses. From a Bin Laden tape:
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, remove that sentence from my comment and then read it again.
UnnamedNamesake ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was speculation of explosives being in the building, since jet fuel can't melt steel beamsTM
Perhaps it was just a really crazy coincidence that both things coincided in such a way.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:59:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would take at least a year to rig two 110 story buildings with explosives and there would be trace wire all over every single floor. The heat from the fire caused the trusses to sag to the point of failure, not melting needed.
soomuchcoffee ยท 663 points ยท Posted at 19:33:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even believe you left out the part where the undertaker threw mankind off a hell in the cell through the Spanish announcer's table.
golfer74 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:01:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kept thinking the entire read that that was how the story would end but I was too invested to stop.
thebbman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:26:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Halfway through I quickly read the last sentence to ensure it wasn't an undertaker story and then I scrolled back up to make sure it wasn't Vargas.
therealtheremin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:40:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is addressed in the film. The piece of wood that jack floats on during the ending scene is actually the remains of the announcer's table.
WolfmanJacko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:05:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
omg I was actually at that event as a kid. Wrasteling definitely seemed so real back then
AtariDump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paging /u/ShittyMorph
PurplePickel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't give that fuckstick anymore attention than he already whores for himself with his shitty, forced meme.
SlobRobsKnob ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, I've never heard this. Vey interesting.
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sonicschall ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The (((Titanic)))
AnakinKardashian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:35:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
global capitalist conspiracy confirmed
R3TROFAN ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oi Vey indeed!
IamBili ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 16:25:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't you overstimating the power and the influence of the Jesuits?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:19:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing I learned in Catholic School...NEVER underestimate the Jesuits!
IamBili ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always heard tales about several zionist/jewish families influencing the fate of several nations during the last 500 years, but rarely I read the same thing about the Jesuits
I wonder if you could guide me to a source that overviews their possible influence on worldly affairs since their inception
Mojothewonderdog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is more of a out there poke at the Jesuits but it contains core truths. This too..
But basically the Jesuits are everywhere. They are behind the world's largest network of institutions of higher learning, including St. Edmunds College/ University of Cambridge, Georgetown, Boston College and of course Loyola University.
John Adams, Abe Lincoln, Napoleon etc. all voiced strong dislike for the order. Liking it to more of a militia than a religious order.
Thus, somewhere near every person of power, lurks a Jesuit. That's what the good Sisters always taught us.
Not discounting in any way the excellent Jesuit Brothers that teach and those that administer to the sick. They do a lot of good works but have a dark history.
Wiki page
Ponce_the_Great ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:28:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesuit conspiracy theories really are so entertainingly ridiculous.
My favorite I've seen are the ones where they founded Islam (despite Islam being founded 800 years before the Society) and one I saw where Stallin and Hitler were leading rival sides of Jesuits and that was the reason for World War II, which is just so wonderfully ludicrous.
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have been around so long, that the theories make for endless entertainment. But they also have some dark shit in their history that helps feed the conspiracies.
"โI learned much from the Order of the Jesuitsโ, said Hitlerโฆ โUntil now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization into my own partyโฆ
Ponce_the_Great ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen that quote thrown around by conspiracy theorists but I find it highly unlikely without a credible source, and my studies of their history doesn't really find that much "dark shit" in their history
Champigne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you say "of course Loyola"? Just honesty curious. Loyola is pretty close to where I'm from.
dw12356 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:19:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ignatius of Loyola founded the society of Jesus.
Mojothewonderdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's one of the largest and most well known of the Jesuit Universities in the US. Plus a shit ton of politicians and judges are alumni.
Fun facts; Bob Newhart , David Draiman of Disturbed and James Iha of Smashing Pumpkins are Loyola Alumni.
Champigne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry are we talking Loyola in Chicago or Baltimore?
Mojothewonderdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chi-Town.
IamBili ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing such links
Mojothewonderdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime.:)
TurdFerguson495 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:29:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're underestimating people in power
Semicolon7645 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:02:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just be mindful of the high ground.
Potato_Mc_Whiskey ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:44:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it gives a 25% miss chance.
IamBili ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:37:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Believe me, I've learned my lesson about what small groups of people can do
The thing I found interesting is your mention of Jesuits and their relationship with the Rothschilds
domestic_omnom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the Jesuits are a monastic order, yes yes he is.
Caelinus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty sure doing any of that is very, very against Jesuit vows as well. They are an unusual order in their reach and influence but not really mysterious or sinister.
octavian_c ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:06:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at any position of power or influence (advisors, media) and a Jesuit is either right there or nearby. It's not the Jews who control the world, it's the Catholic organization.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:04:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha don't be silly friend, the society of Jesus is your friend nothing nefarious.
Please you don't want to end up in the files in the Vatican of dangerous individuals do you?
Caelinus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it could just be because they run a crap ton of highly respected schools and produce extremely talented scientists and advisors.
CleverFreddie ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:55:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clsssic conspiracy theory material.
Every social event or trip, people cancel at the last minute.
vtardif ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 22:00:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man in tinfoil hat: (((Illuminati))) and Catholics did the Titanic, and also 9/11
y'all: oh wow I've never heard this before, seems legit though
Parraddoxx ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:55:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this seems a little off the deep end to be honest, and he lost all credibility in my eyes when he started on the 9/11 conspiracy.
Kirbyzx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:04:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He sorta had me until the "Illuminati" part. Then, I just skimmed through the rest and retracted my upvote.
kopkiwi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is fantastically written, I will give him that.
kaenneth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chase Bank targeted Washington Mutual bank for takeover maliciously; bribing news outlets to post headlines questioning WMs stability without basis, just so they could steal it cheap.
http://www.businessinsider.com/there-really-was-a-massive-run-on-wamu-2009-10
Yeti1987 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:58:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the evidence of the coal bunker fire? One of the coal bunkers was on fire and the only way of fighting it was to shovel the coal into the steam engines. That's why they went too fast. Also there was a coal mining strike at the time and they only put on enough coal for the most direct route to New York so heading south would mean they would run out.
The coal bunker in question was located where the iceberg hit. The intense heat warped the already cut price steel the boat was built out of. The freezing water hitting the red hot bulkhead caused the rivets to fail flooding the engine rooms.
There were engineers room crews who survived and testified this both in New York and Britain enquires. The judge in the British enquiry was linked to the white star line company and ruled the event happened due to the dead captain speeding. So the insurance would pay them out.
thestickystickman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:57:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That... Seems like really shifty design.
obvious_bot ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:22:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a simpler time
Yeti1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better then dumping it overboard and drifting without power while people look for you. Titanic should never have left Belfast, they knew about the fire then.
thestickystickman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll sort of, I guess, but what if there's a fire while they're pulling into port?
Yeti1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:32 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plan I believe was to use pretty much all of the coal on the way and probably fill the remaining space with water before repairs. The water bit happened, bit earlier then expected though.
one-eleven ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:40:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terminator 3 & 4?
GatorRich ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:50:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to run this by James Cameron
obvious_bot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:23:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I burst out laughing at
Props for thinking this all out I guess
respectthegoat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:00:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't in 1975 two hippies wrote a book series poking fun at all the people who believe in conspiracy theories by trying to connect them all. Turns out people took them seriously instead and now we have hundreds if not thousands of people who think the Illuminati are behind everything. Almost every "Illuminati" conspiracy you hear about this days is from that book series.
The book series was The illuminatus Trilogy The only reason the Illuminati are the bad guys was becasue the writers were inspired by the Prinicpa Discordia the holy book of a parody religion made by two other hippies in the 60's (Discordians are the good guys in the book).
JocelyntheGinger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really interesting, but I'm pretty sure Cameron's just sightseeing. I think at one point he admitted he only pitched the Titanic movie idea because he actually wanted to go to the wreckage.
lookitsjustin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on. Nobody actually believes all this.
ratadeacero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:07:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the few theories I've read so far that seems unbelievable to me. I'm not researching all your accusations. However, a google search revealed that the Olympic was finally scrapped in 1935. It couldnt have been the same ship. That's a huge factual error. I doubt the veracity of the rest as well.
question_sunshine ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:52:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped reading at JP Morgan was too sick to board but found in fine health two days after the disaster. The Titanic boarded on the 10th and sank on the 15th. JP Morgan was seem in fine health on the 17th. That makes completely logical sense.
It's one of those things where they're stating accurate facts but omitting the details that make the conspiracy implausible.
scothc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was that jp Just needed some fine euro poon and didn't want people to know so he said he was sick
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:58:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And to think we make fun of Infowars.
falafely ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would watch the hell out of this movie.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's an interesting theory, but how do you explain the iceberg?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:24:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know the Jews very well, do you? Ice... "berg"?
scothc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jesuits started ww1?
GlazedReddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the fact that the sister ship that had already crashed and been repaired multiple times before was switched out with the actual titanic. Pictures of the "Titanic" that sailed and sank didn't match the production photos and there was evidence of the signs and decorations being changed and traces of the old ones.
The mass death was not planned as Morgan or another conspirator had someone in another cruise ship nearby the spot of the planned sinking. There were records of the large boat loaded with TOO many lifeboats, wool blankets, and life preservers but it got lost/lost communication/missed the signal or something and the rescue effort was way off course causing the delay.
There's a whole thing comparing the ship from the bottom of the ocean to pictures of each ship etc.
ikilledtupac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 5 Chinese scientists that had the only other claim to a billion dollar patent with the Rothschilds were all on flight MH370. They dead now. Convenient.
giddycocks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anyone wants an interesting read, stick to the first half of the post before the Illuminati bullshit. It sounds quite credible, is not a far stretch, and certain things like JP Morgan not boarding his ship are certainly suspicious.
The rest is just babbling, especially considering we have definitive proof that was not the Olympic, the James Cameron thing is just fucking stupid, and then there's the Jesuit reasoning that borders on anti-semitic.
BrianRampage ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:37:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the Titanic insurance fraud theory gets mixed in with the author's thinly-veiled anti-Semitism.
Harbinger147 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:03:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just wanna say thought that WTC "insurance fraud" was debunked and it was utter shit, 9/11 was nothing more then a terrorist attack thats it.
rmurph22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Larry Silverstein actually lost money after the attacks on 9/11 IIRC
__theoneandonly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone saying that it's cheaper to get a $4.5 billion payout on $7 billion worth of property, then not earn any revenue from the land for 13 years, instead of just removing asbestos... they probably haven't thought it all through.
rmurph22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah not to mention he gave a bunch of the land to the 9/11 monument and museum.
VisserThree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel stoned just from reading that
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read in my life. You should write for infowars.
dreamtofalligators ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:00:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the Jesuit part is scraping the proverbial ship along the crazyberg, but I 100% believe that it really was the Olympic that sank, for reasons of insurance fraud. The part about the Federal Reserve is also somewhat plausible, but I'm more on the fence about whether that could've been deliberate or just a "happy" accident.
kingnai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Additionally, there may have been a coal fire that led to the hull being weakened:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/world/europe/titanic-coal-fire-iceberg.html
allofthemwitches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's eerie. Bruce J. Ismay is my godmother's grandfather. My cousin used to date J.P. Morgan's great grandson.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I have a position in your bank?
BiffyMcGillicutty1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a really good episode of Generation Why that addresses the Titanic conspiracy theories. I think it was a series of compounding, unfortunate events - a drunk captain, binoculars unavailable to the lookout, miscommunication with nearby ships, etc.
AlexTraner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came here for this. Itโs my personal favorite.
enormuschwanzstucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...and when I come back and bust your ass, we're locking David Ershon in the federal reserve!"
Captain_Kuhl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, personally, I don't buy it (for a few reasons), but it's just detailed enough to be interesting. I'd watch it as a movie, tbh.
NeuroCryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the most compelling conspiracy theory explanations I've heard thus far. And I've looked.
I think that looking a bit more into Edward Smith and his immediate family would corroborate this theory even more. Unless of course he is truly free from worldly possessions including some form of reciprocity for his sacrifice to his heirs or sons or charity or cause of choice -courtesy of the JP of course.
Recently I've been harboring thoughts that some strange aircraft accidents have things in common with that guy that performed the mass murder suicide in Germany. I'd be interested in looking into some of these guys diagnoses before the incident or entire health history to look for something terminal.
It seems improbable that they could plan to crash an ocean liner into a target in open sea at just the right angle to rip a hole in the side of a ship however. A mathematician could probably run some numbers based on the conditions at sea etc...surely the his has been performed. However improbable, a skilled crew as were likely assigned to the maiden voyage of the Titanic could have perhaps coordinated an incident. It seems more to chance that they captain had turned in for the night and the lookout crews missed the iceberg. Guess the could have hired drunkards or degenerates for that job.
It would be interesting to consider if another boat could have tugged the iceberg or at least did some reconassaince work to lead the titanic into an increased probability of demise.
I think the best way to think about this well substantiated claim of yours is: this grand scheme crafted by JP Morgan and other powerful men and confidants could have certainly not been executed to the level of its success (measured by the annuilation of his opposition to creation of the fed.). We could very well be talking about the federal reserve bank established in 1925 after the German conquest of Europe in World War 1 without any US involvement or any number of infinite scenarios. These did not occur because powerful people made a powerful play which will be omnipresent for the remainder of the existence of the current world in its relatively stable form.
Did you find this idea ina book, if so, where. Either way, I'm convinced.
SanshaXII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no evidence of that the wreck on the ocean floor is anything but Titanic. Nothing. This 'theory' is absolutely nothing but speculation and paranoid imagination.
DeathPro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My great-great-grandmother was one of the people who had a ticket for the titanic but cancelled it. She always claimed it was because a man/angel told her to not get on that boat.
UTF-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting but you lost me at "the Jesuits". I mean seriously, now you're just talkin looney.
bigglenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They set sail with a coal fire raging in the hull just about where the iceberg (any iceberg) would do the job, as outlined above op post.
Documentary 2017 - Titanic the New Evidence (2017) - Channel 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRa6MDian0
rush0312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read Secrets of the Federal Reserve, great book
emh1389 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the fire in one of the engine rooms(?)? There was a fire where they stored a huge chunk of coal that burned hot and long just before the ship sailed from manufacture port to England that weakened the steel between the compartments. And with the water pressure, it burst. Flooding that one extra compartment they couldn't afford. Also, I think only two or so of the original crew stayed on to sail across the Atlantic because they feared the ship was compromised.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A big problem with your idea: J.P. Morgan actually lost a lot of money because of the Titanic Sinking.
He had started the IMMC in 1902, a big transatlantic shipping venture (his main idea was to create more profits by coordinating the ships with railroads, but that failed for various reasons). A part of this big conglomerate was the White Star Line, which owned the Titanic. 3 years after the Titanic sank (and 2 years after JP Morgan was already dead, we assume he didn't plan that) mainly through that event the IMMC was bankrupt.
TheEvilMetal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:25:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something I hate about lists on reddit:
But that separates the existing text so that it is no longer part of the list item.
See? Stupid ass formatting.
If you use 2 spaces, then a new line it doesn't split things up so stupidly.
See? Nice as shit, right?
I wish I'd known this earlier.
Now you can have multiple separated paragraphs (sorta) as one list item.
Note to self: Use this in all lists I make from now on.
__theoneandonly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What??? This is ridiculous. According to NY/NJ Port Authority (who owned the building and leased it to Larry Silverstein) said that the cost of asbestos removal was around $600 million.
The insurance payout was $4.5 billion. He was in the middle of applying for more insurance coverage, but they hadn't finished working on the terms, and so the policy hadn't gone into effect. (That's the truth behind the "just raised his insurance" claim) The towers themselves were valued at $7 billion. Plus you have to think about the 13 years worth of rent that could have been collected if the towers were there.
So basically he lost $2.5 billion worth of property in order to not collect rent for 13 years... all to save $600 million in construction costs? Okay...
paprikaparty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GallopingGorilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there an almost identical sister ship that got damaged and would be stupid expensive to repair or something? Or taken off or whatever?
HellaTrill420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:12 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong friend, I love a long read, but not everyone does, so, a TL;DR might be helpful here.
MordorsFinest ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cant believe I had to get all the way down here to find the only conspiracy theory in the thread and a beautiful one at that
Sources?
Such_A_Dog ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:49:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck finding any.
StarFoxLombardi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:03:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it's in the germatria somewhere...
empirebuilder1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just gonna pick this one part out for an irrelevant reason.
I don't understand the whole "MUST REMOVE ASBESTOS FROM EVERYTHING" circlejerk. Sure, it causes cancer when inhaled, we get that- but when sealed into a building properly and not disturbed, it's a wonderful construction material. Strong, resilient, and damn near fireproof. It's only when you start cutting holes and making dust around it that you cause problems.
elyze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:39:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In response the the 9-11 claim:
The 9-11 conspiracy, is a government conspiracy. I have a relative that was a civil engineer in NYC when the bombs went off in the trade towers in the 90s.
Basically govt incompetence is why the towers went down the way they did in 2001. It's why it looks like "jet fuel can't melt steel beams." The govt didn't bomb the towers in 2001, but their idocracy and lying in the 90s made them go down A LOT faster and in such a way that it looks like they bombed them. When the conspiracies came out, and the engineers wanted to come forward and say "no, the port authority are just idiots, not malicious." The port authority and HRC basically threatened their lives to shut them up, because an evil govt is better and less believable than a stupid one.
South park was actually very accurate.
I was told all this fairly recently over a night with a few drinks.
YoungLoki ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:40:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad I scrolled down far enough to find an actual conspiracy theory. I think the hottest take in here is that the Fed is an evil organization trying to establish a New World Order. It actually seems like the Titanic part is the least conspiracy-y part of this whole comment, since the theory relies on many other conspiracies such as the illuminati and the Jesuits being responsible for WWI. If you could prove the other parts to be true I'd actually probably believe the Titanic theory. I think the biggest flaw in your theory is that sinking a massive ship is one of the hardest ways to kill 3 people. There are plenty of non-sinking things that could go wrong on a ship, and an all-powerful organization like you're describing would have plenty of resources at its hands to get together some other killing that could be covered up and didn't take so much effort.
LucyLilium92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:27:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're going to steal everything from an article, at least link it.
tunersharkbitten ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aaaaand saved. this is actually very well thought out.
Nemacolin ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:48:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big business conspired with government to sell cigarettes and other tobacco products knowing it was killing people. Just by the way, to ramble for a bit, I have encountered historical accounts of ministers preaching for (or against) racial equality, against automobiles, against Demon Rum. I have never heard of a church (before the 1980's) preaching against the growing and selling of tobacco.
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:50:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Henry Ford and Thomas Edison started a campaign against smoking in the 1920s. They believed it was the biggest health hazard America faced, after alcohol which had recently been banned.
They didn't make much headway against the advertisements of the tobacco industry.
Nona_Biba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, my dad. He completely believes the only reason cigarettes are legal is because the government is hoping more people will die of lung cancer before they collect social security.
Ratttman ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 02:49:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They hired Stanley Kurbrik to direct the moon landing, but his perfectionism made them film it on the moon
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:20:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is one I like. Stanley Kubrick's the shining is an expertly crafted masterpiece created to make conspiracy theorists believe that he was hired to direct the moon landing and hiding secret messages detailing the events in his films.
RQK1996 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:40:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the theory actually came from directing 2001, ACC is often also mentioned for having written the script etc. as 2001 had very realistic moonscapes, so realistic in fact that in hindsight the only tell is the fact the Earth is not clear enough due to them forgetting one mathematical aspect while calculating the clarity the Earth should have when viewed from the moon
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and Arthur C Clarke helped with the math, though the flaw in the theory is that in 2001 (the movie) they made a fairly big mistake by forgetting to factor in the albedo effect generated by the clouds that was revealed after pictures from the moon were returned to earth
xanthicduck ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 01:05:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brittany Murphy was murdered. Everything just sounded OFF about her case.
SGT_Chowdown ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:06:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She caught pneumonia from some mold infestation in her apartment. Her fiance died of the same fucken thing right after she did, too. Hell I remember the media claiming it was an OD.
Starkville ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:42:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a fuckton of mental illness in that house. Those people were absolutely infested with it. I'm not saying she wasn't murdered, though. Just that it would be hard to tell.
Blacklightzero ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 22:03:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sirhan Sirhan was brainwashed by the FBI and CIA using MK Ultra developed techniques including hypnotism and instructed to assassinate RFK.
I hadn't heard anything about this, but then Buck Compton (the lead prosecutor) came to a club I belonged to in order to talk about his experience in Easy Company but instead got bombarded by questions about the RFK assassination.
He finally got upset with all the questions about the assassination that he came out as said that he knew that that Sirhan had been brainwashed by the FBI but he still pulled the trigger and it was on TV and that his job was just to put him in jail and what did it matter anyway.
You could hear a pin drop in the room.
I know it's true because Buck Compton himself told me.
DANarchy1919 ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 01:54:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks random guy on the internet.
Thisisafknnightmare ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you believe that MK Ultra is still going on ?
Blacklightzero ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:10:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea.
GlazedReddit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:47:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The voice in my head told me to say no.
James_Posey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Buck Compton said it, then I fucking believe it. If Dick Winters told me that the Knight King was storming down from the Northwest Territories, I would believe that, too.
ObiWanKarlNobi ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:20:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creepy clown sightings last year were an elaborate publicity stunt and advertisement for the "IT" remake.
halenderp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or American Horror Story
PomegranateState ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 23:45:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I've been waiting for this thread for years, for years!
I believe the "outages" of /r/thebutton, were farses created by Reddit to keep it going until it hit a million clicks. Why did it handle the traffic of hundreds of thousands of users so well for 48 hours, getting dozens of clicks a second, but it couldn't handle like a click every 50 seconds or so?
Reddit really wanted the publicity of the claim, and so every time The Button hit 0, they claimed there was an outage, which is why apparently there were so many at the end for whatever reason, and why The Button hit 0 just a few thousand clicks after 1,000,000.
skywreckdemon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:42:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds about right. I also think that the admins waited a little bit to end Place because there were lots of misplaced pixels near the end, and they wanted to wait until it looked nice enough.
Jiggawatts94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was the button?
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 00:33:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Larger ISPs are pushing against net neutrality because streaming services are on the rise, especially with the younger generation. When I say streaming services, im including actual TV, not just netflix. Online streaming live sports are a true threat now and that was the main thing keeping people hooked to cable.
queensage77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:25:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So true!!
jojo_stand ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:18:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S made it to the moon in 60's but the footage you saw was actually recorded because they didn't have the technology to film on the moon at the time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:32:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite
remymartinia ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 06:04:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this your favorite?
jonseagull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:27:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why yes, thanks for asking!
DreamsOfCheeseForgot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, hold on a second here... You aren't Gremlin37!
NeinNyet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We made it to the moon in 68.
We landed men and returned them to the earth in 69.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/NASA-Apollo8-Dec24-Earthrise.jpg
I_like_your_reddit ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 20:48:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fully believe that Jor El intentionally destroyed the planet of Krypton after staging a failed coup attempt and passing the blame on to General Zod.
What we have seen in film and media is a lie, it is Jor El's version of events.
Cornered with the High Council suddenly hot on his heels, he didn't have enough time to allow for the escape of himself and his wife; he activated his super weapon and was able to send his infant son to the safety of Earth. He did so knowing full well that the young Kal El would grow to be unbelievably powerful and would be able to rule over the citizens of the planet as a king if he so chose.
Luckily young Kal El landed in Kansas and was taken in by the Kents. The first time he spoke to Jor El's image he was already a young adult and had internalized the human morality.
DM-Hollens-117 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:23:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting to the real truth
Nash-Ketchum ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:57:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always found it interesting that out of all the planets they could have sent their kids to, none of them chose a planet they've been to or that they know people on. They send their kid to a far off planet and all of them chose earth. Maybe all of them that sent a child were in the coup...
the_simurgh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:49:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually green lantern revealed that earth was in fact pretty much the source of all life, and that every single culture on earth came from aliens. also earth is considered a back water planet not worth invading so it would be safe to send someone there.
party_shaman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:34:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it. I need some supporting evidence though.
BowieKingOfVampires ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:13:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/zoddidnothingwrong
I_like_your_reddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:42:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To clarify, Zod is no hero. He was a co-conspirator with Jor El.
Hamptastic75 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 23:41:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right Twix is different than Left Twix. They are obviously trying to pit the left and right handed people against each other.
Garythegoon09 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:29:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Left is better though
PM_ME_YOUR_COMFY_PJS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, right is definitely better you bigot!
pajamasarenice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, I too love some pj's. They're nice
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/beetlejuicing
pajamasarenice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to Google what beetlejuicing was, however... is...is it bad to do?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol no it's awesome
Mstinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Twix started the shit we saw in charlottesburg. They started the civil war.
Werrf ยท 1009 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple cartels are operating in the US, and they're a big part of why the average working person is struggling so much there.
By 'cartel', I don't mean a drug-smuggling group; I'm talking about a group of legal businesses and corporations who work together to keep prices high and costs low while pretending to compete with one another.
Cases in point: Telecom providers. It's well known that there's a literal agreement between Time Warner and Comcast that they won't compete with one another, that each has their sphere of interest and they won't move into the other's sphere. This has the effect of stifling infrastructure investment and keeping prices high. Healthcare costs are another cartel situation.
Voter suppression efforts by the Republican party. There's no real problem with in-person voter fraud in the US - there's maybe a dozen cases of it, out of millions of people - but Republicans are pretending there is a problem so that they can suppress their opponent's voting rights.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:24:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Werrf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't heard that quote. Good one.
[deleted] ยท 287 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ActualButt ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 18:26:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally the definition of cartel.
Darth_Cosmonaut_1917 ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 17:33:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what a cartel is though, right? Big companies conspiring together to corner the market and fix prices, availability, etc.
didImakethisawkward ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:38:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cartel might be a debatable term so I would just say collusion.
Revorse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This whole season is null and void!
theavenged ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one else caught your The League reference, but I got you.
Penelepillar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They used to be called trusts. There was the beef trust, the steel trust, the rail trust, the oil trust. They all made deals with each other to control costs and set prices. For example, to insure highest profits, Standard Oil would get together with Union Pacific and General Motors and the Chicago Meat Packers in big posh private resorts where they would arrange the best deals so every trust made the most profit with zero competition. That's why we have the Sherman Anti-Trust Act which is why Bell Telephone Co. was split up into all the baby Bells for local coverage and ATT for long distance.
Maxpowr9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Syndicate is the proper business term.
winchestercherrypie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:15:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not. Cartels and syndicates are two different things.
CWSwapigans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Airlines are ruthlessly competitive and historically have made essentially no net profit at all.
(Every time I mention this someone posts their "billions" of profits last year which 1 - is the highest it's been in decades and 2 - is still a really low ROE for the amount of capital invested)
anonymous_subroutine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Haven't these ingrates ever looked at bus fares or train tickets? You can buy a plane ticket for $200 and get there in 2 hours or buy a train ticket for $150 and get there in 20 hours.
Rub_my_turkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star alliance
FroggyWatcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Collusive Oligopolies is the right term.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I often say oligopoly.
ShredderZX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're called trusts and were outlawed in the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust act.
vayyiqra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oligopoly is the word
Thatonegozer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are right for the cartel. The misunderstanding with the working of the market is that is not competing with each other for lower prices. But the highest return on investment.
horsecalledwar ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:08:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered can we really know it's not happening if we don't check voter ID? I mean, without checking a person's ID, there is pretty much no possible way to catch it if they're pretending to be someone else.
For example if we just stopped checking people's blood sugar, we could also say diabetes isn't a problem since no new cases have been diagnosed. Of course we wouldn't do that because it would be crazy irresponsible. I don't see the difference.
Sharobob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there has been study after study commissioned by republicans, spending millions to prove it and all have come up short.
horsecalledwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Links? And can you ELI5? If we don't verify someone's identity, how do we know they are who they claim to be? It just doesn't seem to be possible to know without checking.
Sharobob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:31:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html
Bush made it a huge part of his issues to fix during his presidency. Their studies came up way short of proving that it has any impact at all nationally and most of the actual corruption was done in a few small local races where tens of votes would actually make a difference.
You generally have to know someone's full name and address to vote as them. How many people's names and addresses do you know? Are you absolutely sure that person isn't voting because if they already have you're going to jail. Unless you have some sort of crazy organizational structure, there's no real way to commit voter fraud and if you fuck up, you now have a felony. It's just not worth it and most of the violations are because of ignorance, not malice.
At the end of the day, the risk of going to jail is high and the payoff is incredibly low because one extra vote doesn't mean diddly squat in a national election.
horsecalledwar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:06:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that there are a lot of mistakes that may not be intentional fraud, but it still seems like a lot of those errors could be avoided with voter ID.
Ineligible voters could easily be avoided by requiring ID at time of registration in addition to when voting. Particularly useful when people walk into a poll, register then vote all at once.
As for intentional fraud, all you have to do is register a name and address then vote as that person. It really wouldn't be hard. And with the law actually forbidding a check of voter ID in some places, there is no possible way to catch it or prevent it.
There are many successful prosecutions for fake and duplicate registrations. For in-person fraud, people generally get caught only because they're dumb enough to brag about voting multiple times then are usually prosecuted successfully.
Studies may find this doesn't happen much but there's really no way to extrapolate the findings correctly across nearly 150 m voters when researchers are not able to check the single relevant piece of data necessary for their study.
For scientific or mathematical purposes, every single one of these studies is inconclusive due to insufficient data. Even the best methodology would fail to reach any conclusion since the researchers are prevented from gathering the most critical data necessary to perform the study. This kind of thing has no place in science or statistics but it's wholly accepted as a political matter. That makes no sense at all.
Again, I refer to the diabetes example. If we only tested people who showed symptoms (which are usually very far along in the irreversible disease process like ketoacidosis or gangrene of the feet) but tested nobody else, we could say that diabetes cases are few and far between. That's if we were allowing the same parameters as we are for these "studies" on vote fraud. But that would be extremely irresponsible and no health provider would ever advocate such slipshod methodology for diagnosing, treating, tracking or prevention of a disease.
How is this any different? None of the studies address how they verify voters without checking ID, therefore none of the conclusions are acceptable. They're anecdotal at best. I'm trying to understand what criteria these studies meet that they can unequivocally state a conclusion without having any data to support or refute said conclusion. The scientific method is how I'm used to doing things so can anyone break this down for me?
Sharobob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need documents sent to that address or documenting your residency there with your name on them (i.e. bills, lease, etc.). They then check that to make sure you're a real person. False registration is a crime as well and that gets prosecuted often with people who more often than not are just confused.
There have been a ton of studies about it. They got huge lists of duplicate registrations and supposed voter fraud across every state for that commission and came back with nothing. It wasn't a small endeavor. Every study has come back empty handed. The burden of proof is on the people wanting to make the monumental governmental change, not everyone else's job to disprove an unsubstantiated claim.
Got any citations on that? I'd be interested to read actual professionals who have this opinion because everything I've read from anywhere that isn't a right-wing thinktank has basically said "yeah there's no proof it's happening."
What?! If you only tested people who showed symptoms you would find that a huge percentage of them had diabetes and that the diabetes rate was through the roof. If you did it with the supposed voter fraud cases, it would be akin to saying "the diabetes rate is actually shockingly low because even the people who we suspect have diabetes, there is almost no actual diabetes." There is some weird faith that there is rampant voter fraud but you would actually see people get caught for it all over the place if it actually existed.
Regardless of anything, I'll go back to where the burden of proof is. You can't just make a claim and say "disprove me" and you can't legislate based on a completely unproven problem.
At the end of the day, I'm not inherently against voter ID. Just the way it ends up being legislated. If we mailed someone their voter ID for free every voting year and never charged a cent or made them go to the DMV for it, I'd be fine with it. That is never what actually gets passed. It's always picking and choosing types of IDs that count that would disenfranchise minorities and the poor.
horsecalledwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to point out that where I live, there is no proof of residency requirement for voting or any kind of ID at all. I had to supply multiple versions of both to enroll my kids in public school but to vote there I filled out a half-form and that was it.
I think you missed the point with the methodology questions. If we can't check ID, how can we be so positive that everyone is who they're claiming to be? None of these studies actually check to see if a voter is who they claim to be at the polls, not a one.
They cross reference voter lists with other states, with registrations, with birth and death records or various ways but not a single one actually verifies identity. Without verifying the identity of voters, it's absolutely impossible to claim that there's no fraud.
As for the medical example, if we didn't test most patients for a disease, we would have far fewer diagnoses of said disease. Using the 'no voter fraud' logic, we would artificially claim that cases of that disease are decreasing. No, they're totally not decreasing, we just don't check for that disease anymore so now most cases go undiagnosed.
I understand what you're saying about proving a negative and the burden of proof however those don't apply because until we check ID for both registration and at the polls we have absolutely no reasonable, logical or likely accurate way to gauge whether or not this is a problem.
Literally the only way to prove there's no fraud would be to ID people. Literally the only way to amass a single shred of proof would be to ID people. The claims that it just doesn't happen are totally made up because there's no way anyone could know one way or the other unless we check ID.
Sharobob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, most states do ask you to provide utilities or some sort of proof of residency. Regardless, due to the Help America Vote Act in 2002, all states do some sort of identity verification on newly registered voters based on their name and the last four of their social. So you can't register under a name unless you know the last four of their social or have a driver's license. So we do have a pretty good idea that someone is who they say they are when registering. If someone is organized enough to gather a large swath of names and socials, would they not be organized enough to get some fake IDs?
So beyond that, you're claiming "I think there's a problem" and saying "we have to change the laws so that I can prove the problem doesn't exist." No matter how you phrase it, I will never accept that premise. It will always disenfranchise people unless done in a government-side expensive way (which Republicans will never support) and I will not accept a solution to an problem that disenfranchises people's right to vote unless presented with evidence that it's a real problem.
horsecalledwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I respect your view on this but we will have to agree to disagree. We would never be so slapshod with other critical things and voting is certainly one of the most important things we should safeguard and be proactive about in all situations. The current way of doing it leaves much to be desired and just isn't sufficient.
I don't believe that requiring a state ID would disenfranchise anyone, it would actually improve their lives. If a person is so destitute that they can't pay $30 and spend an hour getting an ID, then they are living an extremely hard life that would be greatly improved now that they can open a bank account, sign up for government assistance more easily and many other benefits of having ID.
Imatwatface ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:43:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Ireland the car insurance companies are doing something similar. Money racket. All of them agree to Jack up the prices and people will still fork up.
mojave_moon ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:04:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree on both, but I'm not sure those are conspiracy theories as much as rhetorical re-framing of known events.
Werrf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm a sceptical person by nature, so for me to be sure that a conspiracy theory is true, it has to be pretty damn solid. I count these as conspiracy theories because those involved are still trying to pretend that they're not actually conspiracies.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:09:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ayy_bb_wan_sum_fuk ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 00:42:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think it's perfectly reasonable to present your driver's license or any form of your ID to vote. I mean, you need it to buy liquor, you need it to enter some places, so why not the ballot?
Destroya12 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:04:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The common response is that minorities don't drive as much so they dont' have photo ID and that since they're so poor they can't afford to buy one.
Problem with that is that you need ID to do lots of things like: buying alcohol, buying cigarettes, getting health insurance, enlisting in the military, buying a home, renting a home, renting or buying a car, buying an M rated game, among many other things.
So why is it that the Democrats (who fancy themselves as civil rights advocates) don't ever bother to mention that minorities are also unable to do any of those things? If they don't have ID then they're missing out on an awful lot. You'd think that if Dems cared about them you'd hear them speak up about the whole ID thing more than when it applies to voting, but you don't. Pure coincidence I'm sure. /s
Reasonable_Thinker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:13:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime this happens some old 100 year old black lady gets denied at the polls because she hasn't driven in 30 years and doesn't have a license.
If anything we should make more laws so it's easier to vote. Hell in my state of Washington they mail the ballot to me and I mail it back.
The big issue with this is that Republicans have every incentive to suppress turnout, especially minority turnout. That's why it's so contentious. They will generally win elections with small turnouts.
Destroya12 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:54:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Democrats have every incentive to make voting insecure because it makes it easier for them to register dead people or to get illegals to the polls. 5.7 million illegals voted in 2008 alone.
(Edit: Bringing up the site's founder does not discredit the study since it was conducted by other people. Stop telling me the MUH KOREAN PREACHER bullshit. That's totally irrelevant and only a way for liberals to stay within their echo chamber. You know illegals vote, I provide proof, you put your fingers in your ears.)
And the whole "Republicans do better in low turnout" is totally misframed. You make it seem like that means they're undemocratic. Nonsense. That only means that they have a base that turns out more reliably than does the core democratic base. So when turnout is down overall the few voters that remain are more likely to be Republicans. Such is the consequence of the Democrats going after the youth vote more often; the young simply don't care as much about politics.
Edit 2: Here is the study the original article was talking about. Taken from an academic journal. Read it yourself.
Reasonable_Thinker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source that isn't infowars or some other horseshit?
I find it a little tough to believe that a group of illegal aliens the size of the population of Wisconsin voted illegally.
Let me guess? George Soros conspiracy theory incoming in 3... 2... 1...
Destroya12 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:00:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already sourced it. Keep in mind 5.7 is the high estimate, the low ball was a few hundred thousand. 3.6 million in 2012, on the high end estimate. Not enough to have turned the popular vote in either election, but vastly more than "none" that Democrats would have you believe and easily enough to have swayed other elections, like 2000 or 1800.
Reasonable_Thinker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, my bad. Didn't see the link.
Ok so first off that's The Mooney Times. The Washington Times was founded by the Moony's. A conservative Christian S. Korean cult.
No I'm not shitting you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times
They are not interested in telling the truth, just what fits their narrative. That paper (if it's still in print) isn't worth wiping your ass with.
A quick google of the quoted study on snopes shows that it's absolutely flawed. The math is bogus.
http://www.snopes.com/illegal-immigrants-2008-election/
Quote from Brian Schaffner, a professor of political science at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst and the co-principal investigator of the Harvard CCES.
He's the author of the study that "Just Facts" got their data.
That took me 5 minutes to look up man. Be skeptical.
Destroya12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:22:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And both Snopes and Damn near every political science professor have either given to the Democrats or are in their pocket ideologically speaking. You said give you a source that wasn't info wars and wasn't about Soros, I did, you don't like it. You were never going to be satisfied with anything I sent you because it disagreed with your worldview.
Disregard the numbers though because that's not the point at hand. Democrats love to say that the whole voter ID thing is about protecting minority voting rights. They fancy themselves as civil rights advocates and make anti-racism a core component of their platform. So let's grant them that minorities are unable to get IDs. That would mean that minorities also couldn't.....
1) Drive a car.
2) Get Health insurance
3) Buy a house
4) Rent a house
5) Enlist in the military
6) Buy alchohol
7) Buy cigarettes
8) Buy M rated video games
9) Buy R rated movies
10) Buy a gun
11) Buy auto insurance
....among many other things I'm sure I'm missing. So if it's true that minorities don't have ID and are too poor to get one then that means that they're also unable to partake in any of those things. Some of which are hugely important to living a normal life (it's illegal to not have auto insurance in most states). So why do the self-proclaimed civil rights advocates not demand that we get minorities an ID? Seems like it'd satisfy both sides; Democrats could play it off as advancing civil rights because it opened up all those avenues which were closed to minorities, and Republicans could rejoice in more secure elections. But they don't. Why is that?
Because Democrats know that they stand to benefit from having insecure elections. Take the state of California, in which has 11 counties with more registered voters than elligible voters. Must be a coincidence that that only happens in deep blue states, no? Or is Yahoo a fringe conservative sight too?
How about you be skeptical.
amoryamory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he's right about the numbers. I work in stats, 100 people is not a big enough sample size to extrapolate to the whole country. A quick look at sample sizes determines it'd need to be about 16,000~ people (representative of the pop. as a whole) to be accurate of the voting populace. Basic statistics.
How do you answer that point, irrelevant of the argument that existence without ID is impossible in modern America?
I think if you're using he numbers as a key source, it is the point at hand here. I don't care about the argument here, I care about the proof you are claiming.
Destroya12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I answer it by saying that even poor stats gathering refuted I Democrats claims that no fraud happens at all I also answer it as irrelevant. You don't need to have enough fraud to change an election for it to be a problem. Let's say I being an illegal in and tell them to vote against whoever you do. That one vote is not enough to change the outcome but it renders your vote irrelevant. It cancels out yours.
What you're essentially saying is that it's ok to have a certain number of peoples votes cancelled out, drown out by intelligible people simply because it didn't change things overall. That means to you it's not that the process is sacred, it's that it gives you the desired outcome so it doesn't matter at all.
Voter fraud is like rape, murder, theft, or whatever I other heinous crime in the sense that anything above 0 is too much. You don't tolerate any of those things, we shouldn't tolerate any voter fraud. Democrars being coy on it is just them covering up. They know that there's far more things happening than the public realized and voter ID laws are the first step to exposing it.
amoryamory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:43:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we see a real source, please? I'm not American but that website is impersonating the WashPo and it's founded by that messianic Korean preacher.
Destroya12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the study that WE was talking about. Read the study yourself.
trevorturtle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anecdotal evidence is not good evidence.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have. There are plenty of people who don't drive or have state ID. They tend to be college students, the elderly, etc. Coincidentally, all of these groups lean left.
ayy_bb_wan_sum_fuk ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:39:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Elderly....lean left."
Bruh
K20BB5 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:14:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when do the elderly lean left?
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My information was a bit outdated. Apparently the elderly have leaned Republican since 2010. http://www.gallup.com/poll/168083/seniors-realigned-republican-party.aspx
Pyrhhus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:38:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, if you can't even be assed to go get an ID, you're too irresponsible to have a say in running the most powerful nation on the planet anyways. Having an ID is a pretty damn low bar, its frankly pathetic if people whine about not being able to even do that
cld8 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:45:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may be your opinion, but who gave you the right to decide who is responsible enough to have a say in the government? Democracy means that everyone has an equal say. The homeless guy living under the bridge has just as much say as the CEO of a major company. You can't set arbitrary requirements based on who you think is responsible enough to vote.
Piratian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing we're not really a democracy, and more a republic. We vote for people to go ignore us and not vote for what we wanted them to.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have elements of both democracy and republic. Many states have ballot measures, for example.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:41:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee that homeless guy has an ID to buy liquor with
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:15:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to bother continuing a conversation with someone who makes absurd "guarantees" that are easy to disprove. Apparently you aren't concerned with facts, and just make stuff up to suit your argument.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently you don't spend a lot of time around homeless people. They really like liquor. Never met one without an id
cld8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've met several without ID. Your experiences aren't representative of everyone.
Crumbaa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need an ID. You need a day off from work to diddle around at the DMV/RMV/whatever. You also need to pay the fee to get that ID (AKA a poll tax).
You're saying that people living paycheck to paycheck/working multiple jobs who can't take a day off work shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Drachen1065 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:39:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you get a job without an ID?
Also at least in my state IDs are free as long as you tell them you need it for voting purposes.
figglefishfinerin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can get a job with a school ID or an out of state ID. You can't vote with it. Also it's not necessarily about the cost of the ID itself, but the lost wages from taking time off work to go get it.
FellowOfHorses ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:08:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know the US, but in Brazil most homeless people have IDs. Here we need 2 documents to vote. I have no idea how requiring an ID is vote supression
Crumbaa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:17:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are they issued free of any fee? Also in Brazil voting is compulsory, so it's not really comparable to the US.
Poll taxes and voter suppression have a long, gross history in the US. Unless we make significant changes to how IDs are obtained and paid for, requiring an ID will continue to be effective voter suppression.
Pyrhhus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spent most of my life below the poverty line living paycheck to paycheck, and I've had a valid ID since I was 18 as a matter of basic personal responsibility.
To even insinuate that poor people are not able to do something so basic as get an ID is patronizing and infantilizing. They're poor, not children.
Crumbaa ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:39:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Says the guy placing himself above them since he has "basic personal responsibility"
Pyrhhus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:11:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres a reason some of us escape poverty and others don't. Living in the ghetto you learn that most of the people there end up staying there so long because of their own poor choices. Substance abuse, theft, obsession with get rich quick schemes and MLM bullshit, horrible work ethic, sleeping around having kids they can't afford, and wasting their money on dumb shit.
I did some of these things myself, and the first step in escaping the cycle of poverty is to learn the lesson of personal responsibility. Is the system unfair? Sure, it is. But at a certain point I had to realize I could either spend the rest of my life down here in the gutter crying about it and yelling that someone should make it better, or I can suck it up and start clawing my way out.
cityofklompton ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For many, it's simply an issue of logistics. Imagine being so poor that Missing any time from work means you don't make rent or can't afford enough food for the month. Now think about how you're too poor to have your own transportation. Now realize again that you can't miss any time from work from your job that requires you to be present during operating hours of a government office that can issue you a new ID. Since you can't afford to miss the time from work and now don't have your own transportation to make it to an office and back in time during your break, the hurdle has suddenly become significantly higher to perform a simple task.
And this is before we even get to how long it would take to use unreliable public transportation in which you would likely have to take at least a half day of work off simply to get the ID. Then, you may have an incredibly lengthy wait at the office to get said ID, forcing you to take an entire day off, and now you risk being evicted, fired, etc.
What seems like such a simple task for you may require a less fortunate individual to clear multiple difficult hurdles to complete. Not the topic we are discussing, but this is also a perfect example of privilege. Many people don't realize just how hard it is for poor people to complete simple tasks without it having a drastic effect on the rest of their life. Life is a constant game of surviving by a single thread where even a minor setback means losing nearly all of what little you currently have, and even the highest amount of "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps" is nowhere near a guarantee of pulling themselves out of it because it is such an uphill climb that even minor obstacles can become mountains that take years of grinding to clear. Sure, if everything goes according to plan, nothing veers askew, and they catch a lucky break or two along the way, they may be able to get out of that hole and become very successful by conventional standards, but the odds of that happening are immensely against their favor even if everything goes according to plan to the point where making it out is an outlier. Not having to battle that is privilege, and having to never experience it means you can probably never understand fully what your privilege is and how much of a leg up it is for you.
Werrf ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 20:11:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting that you jump straight to Voter ID...I didn't mention voter ID. That said, are you going around asking everyone you know for their ID??
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:32:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Werrf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:56:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voter suppression involves more than just voter ID laws, though they are a big part of it.
First, bear in mind that in-person voter fraud - the kind that ID laws are supposedly meant to prevent - basically doesn't happen. It's a big risk for only a single vote, and there really aren't any cases of it happening. So if there isn't a problem that ID laws need to address, why are they being so energetically pushed by the right?
Do a little research, and you'll find that yeah, it actually can be pretty hard for some people to get an approved ID. Voter ID laws also don't tend to include any provisions to make it easier to get ID, or to even tell people what ID they're going to need to vote.
But voter suppression also includes issues like purging electoral rolls of people who are eligible to vote, setting up inadequate voting facilities in certain districts, etc. It's about more than just ID, is what I'm saying.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:49:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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figglefishfinerin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:51:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of people who don't have IDs. College students, who often don't drive or have out-of-state IDs (also, in many state the laws are specifically designed so that so that college IDs are not valid), poor urban people who rely on public transportation and can't afford to take off work to get a state ID, poor old people who no longer drive, immigrants... You're definitely right that most people have IDs, but the people who don't usually belong to groups that traditionally vote Democrat.
k9centipede ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you also get your DL revoked if you're behind on child support. So if someone doesn't pay child support, they could potentially not be able to vote.
Crumbaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL your friends are representative of all Americans.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:40:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Werrf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is with everyone assuming I'm talking about voter ID? Yes, that's part of it, but just part. There's a helluva lot of ways Republicans are using to suppress the vote.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason everyone is latching onto IDs is because that's the most common argument for voter suppression, that people who typically lean democrat are less able to get ID. As to the rest of your comment what other ways are republicans suppressing the vote in your eyes?
Anonymonynonymous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go look for all the court cases ruled against republicans for their myriad methods of election meddling. There's no end to them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure I could go look for it but the onus of proof is on you. You made the claim but you haven't backed it up yet as far as I can see.
Anonymonynonymous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Texas' election maps have been ruled illegal every single year for the past 30 years iirc.
Sharobob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As is tradition. They draw up a new illegal one just before the election, have the election, and go "whoops" when the judge declares it illegal. Repeat ad nauseam.
pr1ceisright ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing's wrong with it, actually surprised we don't have it. But the law that was brought up locally for me was very poorly written. If we could get a voter ID for everyone it'd be great. But then the gov would have to pay for it. If the law is written well pretty sure everyone would be on board
Reasonable_Thinker ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of people don't have them. Especially elderly that don't drive.
We should do what we can to make laws that make it easier to vote, not to make it harder. It's pitiful how few people vote already.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Reasonable_Thinker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you have to register to vote. That's how they know people didn't cast multiple ballots.
Here is the thing. You suppress turnout, especially minority turnout, and conservatives win elections.
That's just how it is. So all this talk about ID laws to me is just a way for conservatives to suppress turnout and help themselves.
I might believe the argument if it wasn't so obviously partisan.
HitsABlunt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:56:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was with you till the voting bs
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:49:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dead people vote for Democrats all the time. Is it that hard to get an ID? Don't you think its a little ridiculous that you can just walk into a polling place and simply state who you are and they're just supposed to believe you?
Sharobob ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[Citation Needed]
Pretty much every case of that is when an old person votes early or sends in an absentee ballot and dies before Election Day. There are almost no documented cases of people voting under the name of a dead person.
Similar results have come from every investigation regarding illegal immigrants voting. In fact, the only three cases in 2016 of voter fraud were people trying to vote for trump twice "because they didn't think their vote would get counted" and they were arrested.
Voter fraud is hard. One vote has very little effect and it comes with a huge amount of risk. If you're an illegal immigrant you're not going to risk being caught and deported for that crap.
Suffuri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ACORN is probably what he's referring to, methinks.
Sharobob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:16:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking real proof. An in-depth study. Not just a hack like O'Keefe editing people out of context.
Piratian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:54:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing you didn't see that 11 counties in California alone had more votes then american citizens over 18? San Diego had 40% more votes then US citizens that lived in the area as per census data.
How about when the NYC Commissioner of the Board of Elections admitted on camera they bus people around to multiple polling stations to get as many votes in for their candidate as they can?
And ID for voting is not voter suppression in any way shape or form. You literally need ID for anything else, requiring it for voting is not suppression at all. You can't.... Drive, drink, buy a gun, open a bank account, get a job, get a house, apply for government benefits, buy cigarettes, adopt an animal, go to a casino, pick up prescriptions, legally hold a rally or protest, buy M rated video games, or purchase medication, all of those REQUIRE ID, so ID for voting is far from voter suppression.
amoryamory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sources for the San Diego and the NYC claim, please.
Piratian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NYC one is REALLY easy to find, the San Diego one is based on 2 year old census data, but i HIGHLY doubt the area grew over 40% in 2 years alone. The relevant parts are right at the beginning of the Video, and page 2 after the first point, it also shows the other 10 counties that have higher vote counts then 18+ citizens.
Nona_Biba ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:52:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't census data 7 years out of date at this point?
Mariothemaster245 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:21:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not like Democrats abused the system to put Clinton in the lead in the primaries or anything.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:29:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the primaries are nothing more than a popularity poll. they're not an official sanctioned election.
the DNC didn't have to actually ever hold a primary. they could have just said she was their candidate from minute one.
NewiqueYouNork ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:49:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They abused their own system. The DNC could decide to stop holding primaries and it would be legal as primaries are private organization elections.
Werrf ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:23:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a difference between suppressing voters in a primary and suppressing voters in actual elections. Remember, the parties are both private organisations - there's no law that even requires them to hold primaries, they could just appoint a nominee and leave it at that.
(To be clear - I don't approve of what the Dems did to sabotage the best candidate they had and prop up a bad one, but I don't think it's on the same level as Republican voter suppression).
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:34:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Deracination ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they're different because it was done legally in the case of the primary. They're just both terrible morally.
Mariothemaster245 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:59:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explain how Republicans suppress voter rights.
Werrf ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:21:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/opinion/republicans-and-voter-suppression.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/north-carolina-gop-brags-racist-voter-suppression-is-workingand-theyre-right http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-blows-the-gops-cover-on-voter-suppression-efforts-w491330
officerbill_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Requiring a voter to present a valid government id isn't suppression. So please explain how simply asking the voter to prove that they are the person registered to vote would prevent someone from voting.
I find it very hard to believe that any person legally able to vote doesn't have some form of official ID or isn't able to get one, especially when election boards in states with such laws will provide free ID cards.
Alreadyhaveone ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:20:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://thinkprogress.org/2016-a-case-study-in-voter-suppression-258b5f90ddcd/ A quick Google search can do the trick
Deracination ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That site has a clear Democrat bias. From their about page: "ThinkProgress is a news site dedicated to providing our readers with rigorous reporting and analysis from a progressive perspective." Their founder and editor-in-chief was a research director for Clinton's campaign.
They've hidden their sketchier claims behind links, most of them just different forms of the "requiring voter ID is disenfranchisement" debate. Many of them lead to the same few pages. For example, this paragraph:
"In total, roughly 1.5 million Florida residents (almost 2.5 percent of the stateโs population) are disenfranchised because of the law, which white lawmakers designed in the years after the Civil War in a deliberate attempt to dilute the voting power of freed slaves. This year, one in four of Floridaโs black residents could not cast a ballot."
This page is linked three times in that article, and is the only citation in it. The citation to the 1.5 million claim on that page is a broken link. There is no citation that it was "a deliberate attempt to dilute the voting power of freed slaves." The citation to the one if four statement is also a broken link.
Try some more links throughout the article and see how well their information is supported.
I'm not going to weigh in on this issue as a whole; I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. I'm just trying to point out that it isn't as easy as you claim to find information on a topic as complicated as this.
NakedAndBehindYou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:34:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leftists think that requiring ID to vote is racist.
etherpromo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
train you google-fu, oh lazy one.
semicartematic ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 18:56:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR "NUH UH, IM WITH HER!"
LynxRufus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:06:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the same thing. False equivalency, booooooo
mrv3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't those cartels fund the party who'd help them the most.
Didn't Hillary spend $400 million more than Trump. Where did that money come from?
Werrf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:00:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, the cartels fund both political parties, so they're guaranteed to get what they want. What, you think that because I'm a liberal I'm going to defend the conservative Democratic party??
mrv3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does that include Bernie as he ran from DNC nominee...
Werrf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie is an Independent. He ran as a Democratic candidate because it was the best opportunity for him to get a presidential nomination.
The party as an entity is corrupt; that doesn't mean there aren't some good individuals in the party.
mrv3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:53:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the old "He just joined the corrupt organization to become it's leader and get money and fame from it, but it'll work out... I swear"
I don't join a neo-Nazi party and go "I'll fix it from the inside"
I don't join the tea party and go "I'll fix it from the inside"
So why is it fine for Bernie to join such a corrupt organization (your words) and fix it from the inside? Only then to brake promises and support one of it's most corrupt members?
Sounds like the facts are at odds with your opinion.
Let's say Bernie is the non-corrupt individuals... why would someone not corrupt end up supporting some as bad and as corrupt as Hillary who and this has been shown in court had the government help her get elected. That's extreme corruption.
K20BB5 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:12:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think it shouldn't be required to show ID when you vote? If you think Republicans are doing it to suppress voting, why not work to make IDs more accessible which is the real problem?
Werrf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's unnecessary, because in person voter fraud doesn't happen. As in, there are 33 "questionable" votes out of one billion.
I have no problem with people doing this. I'm not a politician, though, so there's not a great deal I can do. And the real problem isn't that ID's aren't accessible enough, it's that Republicans are trying to suppress the vote. ID laws are only of the methods they're using.
Suffuri ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:46:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you block all investigation into voter fraud, and refuse to let people implement a voter ID requirement, it is quite hard to prove voter fraud. Now, if required voter ID laws came with free IDs, as most of the proposed ones do, it should be a win-win for everyone, yes?
Cry_Havoc1228 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You hush now, logic has no place in this domain.
innerpeice ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:05:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was right with you until you went full retard with the republican shit. Sorry bro, both parties Gerry mander and have had a long time to get good at it. Also, when citizens of foreign countries start voting in other counties elections. The UN calls for a recount. It's a sign of a banana republic that they can't keep their shit straight for an election. The democrats know that most new immigrants and illegal aliens vote democrat, so they are all for it.
Imagine if 11 million Americans traveled to Mexico , china or any country, for work , then they started voting in their elections. Can you imagine the fallout? It would be violence
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:35:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course a The Donald person is gonna BOF SIDE
mcapozzi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cable TV cartel isn't really a cartel. The reason there are geographic monopolies is because the infrastructure is cost prohibitive to duplicate. 500ft of cable company plant costs approximately 10000 dollars in labor and materials. Other examples of geographic monopolies are (water, gas, and electric).
The reason why fiber networks haven't taken off is because the cost of infrastructure is too high compared to the revenue that would be generated. This is why fiber networks only exist in "high-rent districts". This is also why Google is looking to use wireless only 5G networks (cheaper to deploy).
Cable companies have been putting tens of millions of dollars into their networks just to keep up with the data demands of their customers. Most markets now have a 300Mbps offering which required plant cleanup, upgrades and millions in capital equipment costs. Remember, 10 years ago most people only had 10Mbps data service and there were only a few HD channels.
Within the next 5 years, cable companies will have the technology to provide Gigabit service across a footprint that residential fiber networks couldn't dream of covering.
Werrf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:25:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And isn't it interesting how those are public utilities - and how hard cable companies are fighting to keep from being public utilities?
Hasn't stopped it in other countries.
They've had that technology for decades, and refuse to use it. That's why most countries have better everything than the US.
mcapozzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What other countries are we talking about, ones the size of Rhode Island, or perhaps Vermont???
The United States has a very low population density making networks bigger and more expensive to serve the same number of people.
And to make a wild ass claim that tech had been out for decades is just bull$%!+. The equipment we deployed was so new the damn developers were logged into the gear taking error dumps and making code changes as the equipment was being installed.
Heylick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:58:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are also some laws that restrict the growth of fiber optics specifically Verizon fios tv. If they cannot service the entire town, at least where I am from, then they cannot offer it to anyone in town. Geographically large towns with small populations are not financially worth the xxx miles of lines.
crimsonblade911 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:32:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In fact most of the voting fraud is by their suppression efforts. Last primary i had people being turned away without being given the chance to look at all the books for their address/names.
I tried to advise people to check every book because my name was not in the proper one, and people started giving me dirty looks. Really quite the shame.
bende511 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:13:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why we need unions. The only way workers can get on even a remotely level playing field with employers. As union membership has gone down in the U.S., income inequality has increased. This is not a coincidence.
Werrf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not so sure how the Republicans would suppress voting rights. I've heard that requiring ID is suppressing votes, but that doesn't make a lick of sense.
Werrf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
The fact that it doesn't make immediate intuitive sense is why it works for them. They rely on their base not looking any deeper.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that all of these restrictions are easily bypassed by getting a driver's license.
Werrf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't read the link, did you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read it thoroughly, despite being from the ACLU.
DuckDuckYoga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:07:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's really disputing the "easily bypassed by getting an id" part. The whole article is saying that a huge number of poor people can't afford to obtain one, so your point really doesn't reflect having read the article well
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:27:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Driver's licenses are not very expensive at all to get, and they're a necessity to have nearly anything else in the world. Everyone already has one who is going to need one.
I read the article.
sweatytacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telecommunication companies are essentially monopolies set up by the government.
Source: worked in telecom
_Windrider_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They work with the government more than each other. These cartels are given monopolies in certain areas by the gov. Your local government is probably guilty of it.
HairyBaIIs007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, don't get me started on Telecom companies. We have the shittiest internet for a developed nation here in the U.S. You go to places like Korea, and they have internet 10x faster for a tenth of the price. Why? Because, thanks to our government who "looks out for the people" they made an agreement with the telecom companies, allowing restrictions on max bandwidth and then there is no fucking competition here, unlike other places where a person can have 6+ options to choose from, causing our prices to be sky high.
As a side note: Fuck Spectrum (the new Time Warner). They are fucking thieves. I'd rather have no internet over Spectrum. And yes, I know what I just typed was a run-on sentence
joeymonreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it's called oligarchy
CreamyGoodnss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not collusion if the people who think it's collusion are colluding!
celsius100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ATT and Verizon too. Legally there needs to be competition in a sector so a company isn't broken up as a monopoly - like ATT was. ATT and Verizon need each other to exist. They carve up the market and set prices. If you're a company the last thing you want is the competition of a free market. You want a monopoly.
GingerSnap01010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I immediately thought of Telecom Companies while reading The Pearl. So you're probably right.
yupyepyupyep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Class 1 railroads are the biggest American cartel of all.
Incontinentiabutts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is a conspiracy theory. I think it's a real conspiracy that only a fool would discount.
No tin foil hat for you. You're making too much sense
Superdad75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Americanized Japanese keiretsu.
Jackylegss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:40 on January 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check out Bell Atlantic v. Twombly.
WhiteRaven42 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One person, one vote means nothing if you don't track who voted and tracking who votes means having a reliable way of identifying the person.
It's not a conspiracy; it the minimum of common sense. You have to know who is casting a ballot, period.
Werrf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:57:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you're okay with preventing people from voting in order to prevent a problem that doesn't happen. So own that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If youre not competent enough to maintain a legit, easily obtainable gov id to vote, its likely youre not competent enough to be trusted with voting. I understand as a citizen you are entitled to a voice, but i doubt that the issue of id affects as many people without it as it does leave the potential for voter fraud. Wasnt there a few cases recently where illegal aliens were convicted of voting, and multiple times? If one illegal casts 5 votes, thats already more damaging than the ONE instance of the old lady who wanted to vote but couldnt work her schedule around to have someone pick her up and drive her 100 miles to the nearest polling booth.
Werrf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, not that I'm aware of. As far as I'm aware, there are about 33 possible cases of in-person voter fraud...out of over a billion votes checked.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay with preventing people from voting when they can't establish their own identity, yes. I'll own that.
Are you seriously going to contend that the voting process doesn't need to do anything to reliably record when a person votes?
Werrf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a particular problem with requiring ID, as long as there are also measures to increase access to acceptable IDs, removal of fees for getting ID, publicity about ID requirements, etc. Those other steps, though, are never included - it's only ever about ID.
WhiteRaven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:59 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have never heard anyone object to improving state services to make it easier to get an ID.
TylerHobbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
52 republicans (I think?) voted to allow increased spying by telecoms. The republicans who didn't vote for this are listed below:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale
forgofamily ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:27:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Men in Black are real and they are in fact aliens who visit people that has had ET contact to wipe their memories so that they don't talk.
Jrodvon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:31:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens exist, because of how big the universe is.
phanfare ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:05:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lyme Disease. I grew up in East Lyme, CT and lived across the sound from a nice island called Plum Island. This island is home to a government BSL2 lab (dangerous pathogens but not deadly). This island is close enough to CT that birds can fly back and forth carrying ticks or some other form of the pathogen that develops into ticks. They kill animals on the island, but my conspiracy theory is that they missed one and it took something back to the mainland to my hometown.
Nothing nefarious, just a horrible mistake that they'll never own up to. Probably some tropical bacterium they were researching that got out. Here's a dumb, unreliable, website about it that's the hallmark of every conspiracy theory
panda388 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:02:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know those little baskets you can shop with at stores that aren't the big carriages?
I think Walmart purposefully doesn't re-gather them and stock them at the store entrance. This forces people to grab a big carriage and make them buy more stuff.
Every Walmart I have been to has a few 10 items or fewer lanes, but they are set up so that the 2 registers share the same lane. So imagine one check-out lane and on the left and right side are the express lanes. It's narrow-ish. You feel bad using a big-ass cart for 5 items. May as well do ALL your shopping here and fill that cart up.
ToBeReadOutLoud ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:56:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joke's on them. I only buy enough groceries to carry in my two arms.
gointoalltheworld ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:17:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about this the other day as well. It makes sense from a stores perspective. They want to make the most sales, not help those who wish only to buy a few things.
wallyworldbeeyatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they are just too cheap to give cart pushers adequate hours. Usually it's just one guy, working the huge lot all by himself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
at my store we have the opposite problem. not enough big baskets
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 03:14:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Lizardrevenge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it difficult to believe the country has been teetering on the brink for decades in a row. Really, campaign promises are like dating website profiles: "I'll always be there and take care of you, and I will shelter and make sure you live well in a great house with everything you want" and then they end up in a shit condo and un unhappy relationship.
Flippent_Arrow ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 00:09:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Miss Frizzle is a time lord.
remymartinia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get on the magic school bus
Xtinasauras-rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had this discussion with my husband a few weeks ago.
Haurboss ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 03:08:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Washington Post is CIA Propaganda
The CIA has controlled portions of the US media for decades now. This is no secret
When Bezos bought WaPo years back it was a big story because everyone wondered why he would buy a failing form of media. NewsPapers were dying
Shortly after purchasing WaPo Bezos signed a $600,000,000 contract with the CIA
Previously when Bezos signed a contract with the CIA guess what product he developed? The Echo. That little box that sits in your house and listens to everything you say. yeah that thing
James_Posey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alexa you fucking whore!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sources?
Bumaye94 ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 16:09:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John Oliver is right: There is only one Olson Twin.
ParadiseSold ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:01:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's 4 olsens. If it took 2 to play one baby, and you're seeing 2 now...
WAM_Gaming_ ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 20:38:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know how they do it, maybe moving really fast or something, but there is no way that there are 2 Olson twins.
brucejoel99 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:00:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idek why they do it, but I'm close. I'm close, I tell ya.
AQuantumEvent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure this was explained in season 2 of the flash.
ronimal ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:05:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mary Kate Ashley Olson
_Mephostopheles_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:07:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if there's only one, then how is she a twin? Checkmate, atheists.
Ashken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:46:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Move back and forth extremely fast, creating an optical illusion.
All he needs to find out is WHY?
kaplanfx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:14:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that blows my mind about the Olsen Twins is that the are fraternal, not identical twins: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary-Kate_and_Ashley_Olsen
"Despite being very similar in appearance, they are not identical, but sororal twins."
woobinsandwich ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have actually met them both- at the same time! The only weird thing is how tiny they are.
ToBeReadOutLoud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of them had to go to rehab for anorexia so it isn't really weird to imagine them being small.
yg_bigj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This could be possible if the pictures of both Olsen twins together was just a doppelgรคnger being paid to act as the twin of the single Olsen girl. Not impossible, definitely not easy but also not impossible
ButtonPoppa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are three actually. Mary, Kate and Ashley.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Lindsay Lohan killed her twin to get all the money for herself.
SlothyTheSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you believe this why do you still call her a twin?
Pizza_Delivery_Dog ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 01:05:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I feel like a conspiracy theory is plausible, then I remember that humans are generally pretty incompetent and it would require huge groups of people to work together. Seeing how most people perform in group projects, I don't think the theories are true
otiliorules ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:59:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much this! If a something can't be handled by 2-3 people it's probably not true. Ever work for a big company? There is a reason they are so slow to change.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:44:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So true it hurts lol the corporate struggle
whatsthatbutt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:40:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not only are humans bad at planning. but psychologically, humans jump to conclusions and try to find meaning where sometimes there isn't any. Yes, of course governments and banks do illegal and hidden things, but to assume that every weird event is a conspiracy statistically just can't be true
xyroclast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, it's hard to prove a lie, and have enough people listen. Heck, Trump and his people say whatever the hell they want, in front of a global audience, with no regard for the fact that anyone can check the facts, the facts are often proven wrong, and they still get away with it. Now imagine a situation where people are actually trying to hide the falsehoods. I think it's easier to get away with than you think.
ToBeReadOutLoud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus someone is definitely going to tell.
A mathematician actually devised a formula to estimate how long a conspiracy would stay secret based on the number of people involved. For the big conspiracies, not long: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35411684
Mstinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How big is scientology by the way?
gaslightlinux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:18 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
gaslightlinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's one that happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
People always things like "the government is too stupid to do that" ... well if people are that incompetent wouldn't it be fairly easy for a smart well-organized group to pull one over on them?
IamBili ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:28:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must one of those people that believe secret societies could never exist, because "there's no evidence of them"
TreeMonstah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:58:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better that than being convinced they exist just because there's no evidence that they don't.
Smoldero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh man and people just suck at keeping secrets. incompetence + the human ego + people turning on each other constantly = makes me skeptical about how many conspiracies humans could really carry out.
i want to believe though. everything's a lot more interesting this way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:19:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like imagine whole centuries worth of events, and historical figures were just multiplied and duplicated with big big gaping holes that don't make sense, and a repeating pattern of cultural drama that does - greek concept of catharsis being masterfully executed and power schemes constantly evolving parallel to us..?
Or that like the whole English language as well as the King James Bible as well as Shakespeare's plays were infact conceived by a large group of people - "Septuagint, so 70, just like in the past) hired by a smaller core of elites...
There are a few things we can draw some conclusions from with relative confidence... first. constantly one step ahead of the masses are the philosophies and tools of power cults which eventually lead to ethically very egoistic behavior a la D. Trump but that's litterally the perfect example of how the mainstream is completely a death trap and leads to possible "sin" or "bad karma" - always through ignorance rather than malicious intent, and modern society through the addition of small human mistakes, is the biggest distraction for the mind's natural flow of growth - the flow leading to "Right and Wrong" judgements of actual use, which can then be acted upon - and ONLY BY DOING SO - we can consider that 100% of our experiences are ultimately positive, the worst ones being in the end the most ripe with invaluable lessons. So bad education make us ignorant to what's what, which oops causes this accidental, meant to be temporary process - the notion of "evil" or "death" or "bad" or anything like that being an effective copy, just in the negative, of timeless ABSOLUTE considerations such as deep moral values and stuff. No such thing as death, only birth of something else. No such thing as universe, energy, or just, words and concepts at all, what have you - ONLY Love going where it goes and taking different forms. From big bang to heart beat to black holes. A dancing, cosmic love story forever experienced anew, one way or another, and evolving. Ain't it all beautiful in the end :) I'll love every single hateable tyrant conspiring against me at any moment. Either they're going something good or it's on their karma not mine - and my karma is like a frigging lush garden in my backyard, it's pretty much immediately reflecting on my reality when I make coherent decisions - as well as positive in the future, and for posterity and to leave the others with a good world and blabla, sure.
But the seemingly intelligent, consciousness-like, personallized/sometimes immediate synchronicity, linking a random epiphany so directly with the life's serendipitie, andparticularly it's peculiar, very personal-insight-oriented uh.... INTENT .... seemingly ... is really making itself noticeable to my rational mind ... and the more that happens, the more synchronicites come, it' just getting more and more solid, and downright, mind-bendingly almost paranormal at times, I have a lot to thank Karl Jung for in this regard, but my own confidence as well, and my childhood, which reminds me - the gratitude like I just expressed that's really good karma, according to Buddha one of the infinite source of energy with Love, Appreciation and Equal Though, that we always have access t,o and never ever pay some energy price. It's not cause he said it, it's because it made sense to my mind after thinking my way through it, that I allowed myself to profoundly believe in .. well just about anything ever since I've wandered off the beaten roads of my mind, lost it a couple times, found it again, over the past decade. "if the dam breaks open many year too soon," -PinkFloyd had it nailed down - "if there is no roof on the hill, and if your head explodes from burning in your ear, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon"...
It works the other way around basically, we have to assume that even conspirators are driven eventually by a feeling of moral coherence, which is philosophically defendable and probably in fact the only way to deal with being in the situation of authority and still find a way to make yourself a good thing for the world rather than a bad one. In the end we all have the same reasoning (or denial of) and so it's a question of time before what we think AND feel is being thought of by others. By keeping these traditions of elitism and secrecy in a larger framework of world building, one can go from one little dude on the outskirts of evolution ALL the way to living god like status, but at this point I think we don't even want to go there - sort of like thinking twice before having children. We should always just aim to be more in control of our immediate surrounding y/tribe and go from there. In reality, the mind right now can take us all the way to the very last axiom of, the real, belief in immortality of our conscience just from pure reasoning and life experience, and science slowly accumulating data pointing in this general direction. But it starts with the timeless, zero-point of the self in the "Now" as a best possible model for considering the idea of a real God at all - model through which, subsequently, said entity of "God" ACTUALLY manifests itself and talks to us non-stop, through the riddles of every little neuronal connection needing to be made being reflected as conscious perception of reality, digestion and finally comprehensive understanding - both inwards and outwards, otherwise we are in effect, morally, subconsciously giving up our own divine status for a more unbalanced, less appreciable existence. Which we still 100% impose on ourselves just not through active volition - or vizualization, vocalisation, of our desires but rather by nightmare-like processes of self torture. Which is so central most people either never even grasp their own power or do so way too late in life. But we must always give us a tap on the back and forgive ourselves, cause this world is a clusterfuck of a tangled anti-thesis of what it should be, and will eventually get better with time and so not to take up fights we don't even believe in is the #1 consideration to have at all times or it then becomes the #1 reason for our demise. The choice, it seems, rests entirely in MY hands. And duality-oriented structured of our own mind and identity as well as society, and further dimensional concepts and complex systems we build only make everything progressively simpler, easier, pleasant, and exciting, and also right, and obvious as well. The final step I think is, how to finally properly convey this to humanity around us with words... That's where I'm at. And the end of this step is basically like, eternal immortality and ultimate victory of life or Good or something. There's no stopping in fact, til my last breath!
Cause this weird world and DOES make a lot of sense in my gut from an accurate world-view more than ever before, as language slowly phrase out the same base formula in every possible experience I didn't dream could be true... History is the riddle. And in an unbroken line going all the way back to the Bronze Age collapse and since pyramids and the invention of written language and subsequent writing down of mythology --- through oral tradition which is most probably waaay more spot on than wed suspect as generations of gods replacing the previous infact represent actual movements of populations as certain pagan cults gained popularity over others, and or religious syncretism of the Greeks merged, over time, different gods that stood for similar ideas, as pagans always welcomed new gods (the more the merrier) or replaced over centuries but the sequence was kept unbroken in metaphor. Also in terms of gods representing SOME FORM of real process. But highsight is 20/20 however COMPLETELY unreliable and keeps being vandalized and manipulated, then people catching up, only for the cycle to naturally start over again just because that's how human collective conscience works and this has been known for a long time, and obviously kept within a SOMEWHAT closed circle, which is more porous than we would think... Tower of Babel anyone? but, humanity has this huge like pink elephant in the room issue, where everything is in fact SO FUCKING OBVIOUS that we don't consider it possible even when it's in our faces as well as intuition. It is litterally impossible to go back after, the only way to make it through this rabbit hole is to keep wanting to believe but equally doubting everything, sifting the credible from the not using simple logic. And recently my best insight has been that, I MYSELF have thought of many many schemes that could be doable. If I can think of it... like, I'd flood the shit out of youtube and the net in general with shitty conspiracy videos and theories so that the actual real ones are needles in a haystack of "nutjob-stuff" when it's infact a huge topic of importance. Which just leads me to think this is exactly wassup. And they ALWAYS have one step ahead of us so it's to be expected that we can't WIN any battle ever, but it does eventually sorta balance itself out through natural tides of change - evolution-driven mutual, between non proportional... RARE are those who have enough of each brain hemisphere to open up to these ideas without losing your solid ground and drifting towards unsanity.
Look up Mystery religions pre 300AD. Rome banned the use of psychedelics after and recycled the Mystery cults with Christianity which in fact was supposed to be much more buddhistic/taoist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also uh, the Great Pyramid could be, say, infact, upside down , and once meant to be used as huge vessels for the Pharaohs to consume psychedelics in and explore knowledge that it could bring back - the most interesting take on the Babel idea, and in a way, freakishly real now. In fact the first step of the pyramid is the flat one one at the top symbolizing how the universal spirit descended into our physical dimensions at the moment of birth of a human mind. And implying that psychedelic use allows us to better step back down into the primordial sea of the cosmos for a moment and explore the world of ideas and abstract metaphysical conjecture; but like, this on massive steroids. And the consequence being that eventually some are discriminated against and certain information kept within one civilization over another (Egyptians with Osiris-Isis, and later Greeks through the Mystery cults - see Eleusis - Dyonisos -also Icarus with the minautor). And therefore what was a very sane religious cult harmonizing our animal and divine duality which is central to spiritual growth, cultural/technological revolutions, as well as just better life in general, and social relations, because the aristocracy and ruling class would finance these festivals, share food, and hold them as a DUTY towards the people, which is the fair way of having class inequalities. The big fish eat the little ones, but eventually, you'll get some efficient multi-cellular organisms which becomes seen, and welcomed, as a new whole over time.
IN SHORT ALWAYS BE OPTIMISTIC and ALWAYS KNOW DANGERS AND FACE PESSIMISTIC REALITIES IN THE FACE and also remember that the heart and mind have some form of - physical and mental - interactivity with the universe, that is central and has extensions in higher dimensional space that we can't just "see" unless we do it from the the pineal gland in our brain, and not the actual eyes - and by building actual mental models for it (which is the same process as our whole reality being emulated within the brain anyway). Science is catching up to ancient wisdom that was by nature unprovable yet intuitively accessible - if we orient our conscience towards those possibilities. Instead of finding a solution or an intuitive straight answer to our issue - we remember what's aleady there by forgetting what we know-or think we know. Never be afraid to discard absolutely everything and start over. It's the first step... name the devil. Visualize the future and let the universe do the rest. Naturally, laws of physics, biology and health, and of human language, as different as they are, want to align with one another in perfectly compatible , information systems, layers of language one on top of the other, Microcosm, Conscience and Macrocosm all benefit from each other, and therefore all three can be expected to have unsuspected "backwards-compatibility" with the physics in nature very much reacting to our electrical head mind but especially, 3000x electrically more powerful pulsating heart mind, which doesn't treat small bits of info but feels emotions and sends out conscious vibes through the whole organism, it's electro-magnetic field decetable up to 10m away in another room. Now the notion that we have two minds in constant dialogue and that the head mind only focuses on the -question- to ask and it's parameters, and the heart gives the most intuitive, rational -answer- to it under a different form, which then can be further visualized and investigated back in the brain. This is basically putting us back right in the middle of the universe and rightfully so - as we ARE infact the most - universe - god - whatever - looking thing that exists while also being the least - funnily - the big universal processes, and things in general usually look like dots and platonic solids, not like, say, what our childhood was. But as we go back in time OR forward, the further we go in the natural logical unfolding of insight, the least THIS we become and the more robot-civilzation-brain like OR particle physics-like universal stuff, mathematical -perfection- of the void being the end point in both directions - To me this means if there IS a ultimate golden mean of the universe, and central point in all existing dimensions conceivable, then it is this very moment! It's a permanent foundational process through which we always have a conscious power of the mind over matter, even if we don't think we do (which is THE problem, as well as the solution, beautifully) and in fact our DNA is evolving new functions as a direct result - and global rising synchronicity and harmonicity of the minds of individuals OUTSIDE the realm of n physical tech... this is a good time to be alive.
beeps-n-boops ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 16:55:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the fix was in for Hillary's nomination, as far back as 2008 but certainly before this cycle's primary ever began.
I find it completely ludicrous that not a single A- or even B-list Democrat even attempted to run against her in the primary; it was her, a socialist independent from Vermont who wasn't even a (D) until it was politically advantageous for him to become one (and he switched right back immediately following his loss), and some wackaloon that no one had ever heard of before who looked like he might literally shoot up the place at any moment.
And then there's Biden... if he'd run he'd have wiped the floor with her, a very popular sitting Vice President with barely a fraction of the skeletons and baggage that she brought with her. (And if it was Biden vs Trump I think there's a pretty good chance we'd be looking at a Biden administration right now.)
And I don't believe for one second that Beau's death was a factor in any way. Beau could be alive and well right now and Joe still wouldn't have run... because he was prevented from doing so by the DNC.
I feel pretty confident that there was a conversation that happened back in 2008 that went something like this:
"Listen, Hil -- can I call you Hil? -- we need to face reality here. Our candidate is going to be either a black man or a white woman, of this we are certain, and all of the polling data suggests that we stand a better chance with a black man than a woman of any race. We just went through eight years of Dubya and significant advancement of conservativism across the US. We NEED to win this election, and right now our best best is Obama.
"We need you to step aside, and if you don't we will make certain you lose. In return, he will appoint you to a high-visibility position in the administration, where you can stay in the public eye until it comes time for you to step down and focus on your next campaign. We will ensure that you are all but unopposed in the 2016 primary, and we guarantee that you will receive the nomination."
Homerpaintbucket ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 17:44:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
your conspiracy theory can only be believed if you believe that they put in the fix for Hillary despite her not stepping aside. She remained in the 2008 primaries long after she was mathematically eliminated.
Not to mention, there were 5 people in the Democratic race at the start. Hillary Clinton, Martin O'Malley, Bernie Sanders, Lincoln Chafee, and Jim Webb.
Also, you're right, Biden would have wiped the floor with most other candidates. But I have absolutely no problem believing that he didn't run because of Beau. Burying one of your own children is one of those things that keeps parents up at night. I don't care how old the kid is.
Zacoftheaxes ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:03:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that in an open year the candidates (besides Clinton) were:
When there were plenty of other viable and high profile potential candidates (and look how cramped the Republican field was) makes me think the DNC was talking people out of running.
Homerpaintbucket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't doubt that they wanted to keep the field small. At all. But I also think a part of it was that people had a certain sense that a Clinton nomination was going to be inevitable.
Zacoftheaxes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:18:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on my local Democratic committee (tiny little city in Niagara county) and even at that scale people are talking about candidates months before they announce.
We try to remain as fair as possible when multiple people want the same office, but I imagine the more that is at stake in a race the easiest it is for the scales to be tipped in someone's favor.
I'm guessing that by early 2013 there were already DNC members going around telling everyone not to bother.
Homerpaintbucket ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:20:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I doubt it was a "no you can't run," and more of a "do you really want to waste your time and money campaigning against the inevitable Hillary?" People were saying in 08 after she dropped out that she was going to be the nominee in 2016. She had a base that really wanted her and she clearly had the ambition. I don't see how anyone can see a conspiracy here.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:50:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus Biden had a couple of unsuccessful runs himself which (though nothing compared to the controversy of this cycle) would have raised some pretty ugly incidents.
rmurph22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Biden speak at the 2015 Generation Progress Summit and I have to say that he did not seem like the same man who was elected as VP in '08 and '12. Beau's death really changed him.
ZAVHDOW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this could easily be doing some pre-campaigning for 2012 / 2016 / 2020.
Homerpaintbucket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It certainly was, but it was detrimental to the Obama campaign and it likely cost her the spot a the VP candidate.
ZAVHDOW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. It could have been, in context of the above conversation,
"Fine, but I'm staying in the running officially to build my base for when my turn comes up."
and they say "ok" because you gotta give them something in this, right?
JoziJoller ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You never recover from burying your child. At best you can learn to live with it. Some of the time.
Yakb0 ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That assumes that Hillary was given marching orders by 'the establishment'
She's been politically active for decades, her husband is the most popular living president. She IS the establishment. There's no conspiracy here. She wields an enormous amount of power in the Democratic party, and nobody with anything to lose wanted to challenge her.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:05:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She does wield an enormous amount of clout, but not an enormous amount of wealth.
There's a dude named George Soros who funds a lot of DNC-related stuff, like BLM and Antifa. I have a sneaking suspicion that he would be the one to dangle campaign donations in front of her if she would be willing to wait.
sickhippie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:48:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I guess this is the thread for bullshit, well done.
Edit: downvote all you want, it's still an alt-right talking point and it's still complete bullshit.
Mend1cant ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:49:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My crazy theory that has little merit is the connection between the Clinton family and the CIA. The entire CIA gun-running operation in the 80s was run from Arkansas, and I think Bill worked with Langley to keep it hush hush since they had some form of dirt. In return they help him become president so they can keep working together. Fast-forward to the late 2000s and the middle east is in shambles, and small groups are being controlled for CIA interests. Hillary ends up losing (can't predict surprise charismatic black man), but still gets put in as Secretary of State. Benghazi was the hot point when things almost blew up in their faces. Everyone focused on her in the investigations out of what was basically a witch-hunt, but no one really asked why the CIA was there in the first place monitoring the ambassador, or why he was there. CIA is heavily involved in a lot of these regions, and as ISIS grows stronger and Syria slipping, Hillary is the perfect candidate to work with them so that they can follow whatever plan it is they want. They would keep hiding dirt that they could use themselves, and then they would allow her to take office to help them. I'm not a T_D guy, but the ease at which dirt has come out on Trump seems a lot smoother than with Clinton as if she was being shielded.
So basically, the Clintons have been in cahoots with the CIA "shadow government", but the CIA is definitely in control of the situation, utilizing blackmail and favors in order to have near-puppets in power.
Crazy, stupid, insane, easily debunkable, but still an intriguing thought.
trevorturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Clinton and co are competent sociopaths. Donald and co are fairly inept, short-sided and incompetent (minus Roger Stone).
Zacoftheaxes ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:58:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beau Biden, while dying of cancer, told his father that he needed to run for President. The fact he didn't run after all that happened to him makes me agree with this theory. The fix was in from day one.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:44:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A godamn potato could have won after GWB.
Hillary really ought to be mad at Barack for stealing her thunder back in 2008.
jshepardo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:15:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she never runs again. She has shown that he is worse than a potato.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that Hillary locked up all the donors and endorsements years in advance. Biden would have been way behind in money and establishment support.
IamBili ยท 482 points ยท Posted at 16:34:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudi Arabia's government is funding both Islamic terrorism, the "refugee crisis" and propaganda pro-refugee spread by the MSM and SV companies, through its Sovereignty wealth fund
Edit: Sovereignty wealth funds from the Middle East and from China are funding groups with a veiled interest into destroying the western civilization and the western culture
[deleted] ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 19:15:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the are funding Islamic terrorism.
PirateRobotNinjaofDe ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:56:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudi Arabia is fighting a Cold War against Iran to assert regional dominance. They're supporting radical Sunni militants to offset Iran supporting radical Shiite militants. It's a viscous circle, much as the US-USSR Cold War was.
Saudi Arabia has little reason to attack the West, though. There are off-target affects when the radicals they support attack Western targets, but I see little political benefit from their targeting is directly. They need us to buy their oil and sell them armaments.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when you create a Rouge you have little controle over what it dose. that is exactly what Saudi did by funding extremism.
ikilledtupac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:05:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But but they head the UN Terrorism council
CCerta112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it the human rights council?
Which of course is equally ironic...
NewiqueYouNork ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:07:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government is not funding terrorism but factions of the massive royal family are especially through specific charities and madrassas
Fly015 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:25:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also sponsor many History and "soft science" lectures/conferences in the US. Trickle-down Wahhabism.
aboycandream ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:57:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is some jingoistic schizophrenia in action
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:56:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The CIA was funding ISIS. They just called them "Syrian Rebels" to confuse us.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:19:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have a sizable share in both Fox News and CNN, as well.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:53:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy.
Twitter is owned by the House of Saud.
R3TROFAN ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:49:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soros also has a big hand inthis. It's creepy.
ayy_bb_wan_sum_fuk ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:36:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That ballsack-eyed man is behind a whole lot of crazy shit.
IamBili ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:06:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soros is a scapegoat . He isn't the only one doing it, and he's not the main sponsor of multiculturalism
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 23:50:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure buddy
R3TROFAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/world/europe/after-trump-win-anti-soros-forces-are-emboldened-in-eastern-europe.html
weasdasfa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:00:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think America is doing a fine job of destroying the western civilization and the western culture
elHerpes ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:56:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudi is funding terrorist groups thats no secret. The "destroying western civilization" thing is bs and you need to seek help though.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 00:31:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China is also seizing up economist interests in Africa and seizing up islands to gain dominance (even though their navy/air force is shit, their intelligence agencies are shit, their export-oriented investment based manufacturing economy is shit and fragile so it would take them decades and decades to even catch up).
I am pretty sure they are disseminating a lot of fake news along with being involved in cyber attacks. They're trying to gain the competitive edge because right now the U.S. is still extremely powerful.
This is why Trump fucked up with leaving TPP. TPP would use the other East Asian and South East Asian countries as a counterweight to China.
China needs to be destroyed
withtitaniumwhite ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:03:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For once a country is developing underdeveloped countries instead of colonizing or bombing the shit out of them. Just because a country has its own interests doesn't mean it has to be destroyed
Alitravels ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:17:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you ignorant boy.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China will fall under its own weight, just like the Soviet Union did, and just like the United States will
History ain't kind to widespread nations and empires
Mstinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:56:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was an esteblished fact.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprisingly, there are too few mentions of the term "Sovereignty wealth fund" in conspiracy forums, even though I hypothesize that they are the main funding sources of political, cultural and economical groups who promote propaganda for policies that threaten western civilizations, western cultures and western nations in the long term
Mstinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:45:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt that what paid for 95% of mosks in europe too?
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:44:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudis' latest 3.5 billion investment is Uber... Therefore, Uber is destroying the Western civilization...
IT ALL CHECKS OUT!
IamBili ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows, maybe Uber could be a money-laundering company, that gives a makeover on the money of SWFs, so that it sponsors MSM and SV companies that obliges with the multiculturalist agenda without anyone raising suspicious about the sources
Don't you find weird that the number of ads of Uber has grown to such ridiculous extent recently?
Call me crazy if you must, but if I were to distribute an amount of money as huge as the ones wielded by SWF to sponsor certain companies that complies with my political/cultural agenda, I'd do so through in ways that raises no suspicious, and putting that money in "startups", that you can control to invest into publicity everywhere without raising suspicious is a road that I'd take
CubaHorus91 ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 19:17:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that by believing this, you are contributing to their goals, assuming they are real.
Skrt__Skrt ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:32:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CubaHorus91 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:48:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologies I don't follow
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:03:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fight against terrorism has the unique problem that killing people does not work (unless you consider carpet nuking an entire continent an option, which might not even work). You kill one terrorist. You also just killed somebodys father/brother/uncle/son/close friend/etc. The people who lost somebody dear to them are now a lot easier to radicalize and you just created more terrorists.
DarylDixion ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:12:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government killed MLK
REMSheep ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 04:15:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A small group of really rich people control most to the wealth of the planet and cause chaos and warfare as a means of creating more wealth for themselves.
Byizo ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 20:27:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taylor Swift is a bear.
ZAVHDOW ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:43:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta give me more than this. It's too intriguing.
[deleted] ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 03:14:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ZAVHDOW ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 04:19:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know which is the more outrageous claim, that you boned Taylor Swift or that you boned a bear.
christophermertin ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:05:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most entertaining thing I've ever read. Thank you.
rainddropsuntop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:08:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"and it was at that moment, that I realized the young woman standing right in front of me wasn't a young woman at all, but a 1000lb 6ft grizzly bear with razor claws and beady black eyes, and at that moment I said: "go away grizzly bear!!! I ain't giving you no tree fiddy!!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:37:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tormund?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taylor Swift is Hebert?
actual_factual_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm.
Joey12725 ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 01:31:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is only 1 Olson twin. She is move back and forth really quickly to trick us. I have all the details worked out I just don't know why.
Rayquaza2233 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:21:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks John Oliver.
_MKUltraViolet ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:24:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "lizard shapshifters" videos were created to throw people off the trail of face2face video editing software. The glitches with double eye lids and other facial anomalies were bugs in the program, and as far as I can tell, have now been fixed. I believe this is used far more then most people could even imagine.
Here's a short, and outdated, video of what I'm talking about. https://youtube.com/watch?v=SYVExWwmRlI
eharper9 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:03:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the native Americans made up big foot to keep their children close.
Beezlegorp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:40:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try samsquanch
GeneralCottonmouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice
jaie22 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:51:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One I really believe, although I can't figure out who benefits from it/how it was arranged. I am convinced that internet page designers, especially for online news but really across the board, are somehow in cahoots with the printer, paper and ink people. It's the only way I know of to explain the sheer number of times a printout is precisely two pages long, except for the final line about copyright, or the author's bio, or some other mostly useless piece of information.
Sure, print preview exists, but do 99% of the browsing public even know what that means?
_waffleiron ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:12:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Detergent and fabric softeners have marked their recommended usage on their caps higher than what you should really use, so you end up using their product faster thus buying more, plus you wear out clothes more and end up buying more of those too.
The Laundryati if you will
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:21:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I firmly believe that the pork industry slowly decreased the thickness of bacon over time so that they could then release a thick-cut bacon product at a higher price with no additional overhead. Here is looking at you Oscar-Meyer, if that is your real name.
Starkville ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a nice meat market near me that smokes it's own bacon and slices it to the thickness you desire. Nom nom.
Oscar Mayer does make the tastiest of all the supermarket brands, IMO, though.
issuicideanoption ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 01:10:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That women's clothes are made to sell purses
_Mephostopheles_ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:10:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's no conspiracy. That's an absolute, undisputed fact.
vivalavidanomo ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 04:36:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SOMEONE TRAVELED BACK IN TIME AND CHANGED THE BERNSTEIN BEARS TO THE "BERNSTAIN BEARS".... let's discuss the real issues guys.
poetaytoh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think someone travelled back in time and changed something, and the Berenstain Bears is one of the ripple effects of whatever that change was.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I've suspected the same thing.
berrymccockinner ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 23:35:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you post something on Reddit that gets more comments than upvotes your penis gets smaller.. really sucks for girls so be careful.
2gig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:51:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. No matter how pretty, kind, or smart she is, I just can't make things work with a girl if she has a small penis.
Mstinos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:41:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are all just looking for a few things in a girl. Must have a good brain, be funny, and have a big penis.
MostAwesomeRedditor ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:46:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I truly believe the Illuminati exists but they may not call themselves that.
Essentially I believe the 13 bloodlines really are running the planet. I have believed this for 15 years and always will.
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:06:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try and find a knowledgeable person to explain to you how the Rockafellers and Rothschilds don't have their unimaginably rich hands into every possible pot on the planet. You won't. I think among the researched this is pretty widely accepted.
Scarface_gv ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:28:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you care to elaborate and enlighten a brother on the matter?
Gurunexx ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 11:02:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mary cheated on Joseph.
GermanAmericanGuy ยท 222 points ยท Posted at 18:54:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think foreign governments (Russia and China) are directly causing division among our country. They are doing this to undermine our stability and pick apart our assets abroad. They are doing this in the following ways:
1) They are pumping up controversial digital news story impression numbers that feed the algorithms that push them to the forefront, creating political polarization. They are also pumping up "likes" to pump up controversial public social media posts.
2) They are leaking information abroad to undermine our credibility (even though all other 1st world countries do the same things).
3) They are helping with the destabilization in Syria and abroad in order to create refugees which leads to political polarization and destabilization in Europe, due to controversial immigrants.
Meanwhile, China is snatching up and creating new islands in the South China Sea, extracting tons of resources in Africa and South America, and building the Nicaragua Canal. Russia is looking to block the pipeline that could feed Europe with gas from the middle east directly. It's well known that foreign governments had a hand in the U.S. civil war - I'm a believer that our rivals this time around are doing the same and would want nothing more than for us to kill each other.
throwawayhrclinton ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:46:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're American and have not already you need to look up and watch Yuri Bezmenov
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:10:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CreamyGoodnss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what it's all about. Undermining the stability of the United States so Russia can have more leverage in Europe and the Middle East.
bookofthoth_za ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he's American. An American always speaks of "us" and "we" when referring to their country. You won't ever find them speaking about their country in an indirect fashion: "Americans.." '
I'm not being snide, just stating an observation.
CreamyGoodnss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong for the most part. I always try to be mindful of that and say 'America' or 'United States' though. But it's a tough habit to break when you're beaten over the head with nationalist propaganda your whole life.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:05:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GermanAmericanGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:13:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super fascinating can you tell me the source or where I can learn more?
LazyInTheMidfield ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:58:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit loves Dugin because they think they figured out Putin's super secret plans. In reality his influence has been exagerated. He couldn't even keep hos teaching position at Moscow university, much less government roles
CreamyGoodnss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I've been saying since the whole Trump-Russia thing popped up...an unstable America is AWESOME for Russia.
Russia is doubling-down on global warming because it would actually help them. If the ice caps recede, that's more land to be developed into whatever they need and new trade routes to use it all. So they need access to fossil fuels while everyone else is moving more towards clean energy. Where is all of that? The Middle East. The United States is calling the shots there right now...ok, let's back a dictatorship (Syria). But what if the United States doesn't want us buddying up with a Middle Eastern country? Let's make sure they're cool with it. How? Hmmm. Let's help our
patsybuddy get into the White House. He owes us A LOT of money and now he'll owe us two favors. Excellent! He can keep pushing pro-fossil fuel rhetoric and at least slow down the transition somewhat (This is, I think, the main reason Trump unilaterally decided to withdraw from the Paris agreement) But he won't be the president forever...unless...what's a good way to get the U.S. to suspend elections? Civil unrest should do it. Let's foment a resistance to the administration and current form of government...the leftists already don't like the corporations widening the income gap and there's already plenty of racial strife but let's stir up that hornet's nest too by bolstering the far right. Radicalize both ends of the spectrum and they'll be too busy fighting each other to realize they'll never get control of their country back.And that's where the United States is at right now. Everything happening right now is planned and orchestrated by some very powerful people. And we're all being played like fiddles.
CtrlAltFetus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:45:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Foreign governments have always tried to stir shit up in the United States. During the Iran hostage crisis, they released all the minorities immediately because of "US oppression"
Atorres13 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:30:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the US tries to stir shit up in foreign countries.
henbanehoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successfully for the most part (Latin America and the middle east anyone??)
Yeah this is the thing, it's not really a conspiracy to me, it's just that other countries have managed to build enough power to respond to US foreign policy in kind. It sucks for everyone but to think of the US as an innocent victim that needs to unite behind our government and business interests to resist foreigners?? Hard pass.
elHerpes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything the us says other countries do, are just things the us is guilty of. Ever heard of iran contra?
KA1N3R ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolutely true.
Just look at the 'Cyberwar' Putin has been waging on the US and EU for years now.
cardinals1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course other countries want to cause division in the US, this has been going on since at least the Cold War. There is substantial evidence linking the USSR to the Civil Rights Movement.
poadyum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Link?
cardinals1996 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well here's an article on it. It's from Slate, but it cites federal documents.
And then here's a Reddit thread on this very topic.
elHerpes ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:07:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey i have another one thats actually true: The US has done all this shit and more to other countries while ruining itself post ww2, and now that its showing more and more the people who cant possibly believe that they are at fault for defending it are trying to blame all problems on hidden foreign "threats". No other country sure as hell forces all of its rivals to get nukes just to defend themselves.
GermanAmericanGuy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:30:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously we meddled in other country's affairs, but so has every other powerful country / civilization since the dawn of man. The point of my post was that many Americans don't realize other countries are meddling in OUR affairs.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:41:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:58 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love to push for war with nuclear powers instead of adressing a growing neo nazi problem. Yes the chinese, the most soulless corrupt government next to the US definitely are literally nazi germany, they even speak german its just a different alphabet.
GermanAmericanGuy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:44:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You hit the nail right on the head. Well said.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 01:10:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.. copying my comment from before.
China needs to be destroyed by the U.S. Navy and Air Force. They are a huge disturbance to the international world order. First, they have absorbed a lot of American manufacturing power. Companies across every industry - industrials, energy, tech, consumers discretionary/staples have put all their factories in China, stealing millions and millions of job because China is low cost, on top of the fact they are manipulating their currency to keep currency pairs at lows so the US is stronger. That's billions of dollars in spending for U.S. consumers that could have gone to Americans, billions of dollars in wages, billion of dollars of spending in education, billions of dollars in taxes that the government could have used.
Moreover, they are actively trying to destabilize us by building a shit ton of infrastructure in South America and Africa and extracting all the economic resources there, while being a pain in the ass in the South Chinese Sea.
They also are not listening to our diplomatic efforts with the North Korean crisis - China has the diplomatic leverage to make North Korea stop their shit but they won't.
They're become a huge issue. Even if you were to consider this non politically, think of Chinese tourists. Seriously, every city they go, Mainlanders are the most ignorant, vile fucking disgusting human beins on the planet. The Chinese government had to write up a pamphlet detailing how tourists should behave.
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:18 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, every soulless corporate asshole meddles in the US government, but foreign powers practically dont. No, not every country funds 40 terrorist cells and contra groups on 3 different continents and sends itself into eternal debt just to fight as many proxy wars as possible. No other country comitted genocide in vietnam and korea and threatens korea with another one. No other country single handedly ruined the middle east. All the things you accuse foreign powers of are literally things that only the US does.
GermanAmericanGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's us that are the evil ones, nobody else. I'm sorry the U.S. hurt you - do you want to show me on the doll where it hurt your feels?
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:34 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes as long as the doll looks like a globe i can do that for you. Theres a couple millions of people who would gladly do the same. Maybe we should wait a couple decades and see how many more.
GermanAmericanGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:10 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make a lot of bold statements my man. Middle East is a crap hole due to the Ottoman empire and then France and Britain - http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/britain-and-france-conclude-sykes-picot-agreement. Genocide by North Vietnam was more common. Korea - buddy come on they have concentration camps for gods sake. What type of revisionist, horrible history have you studied to come up with such crap. Read a book.
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:55 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
guys history.com told me the iraq war or funded terrorist groups never happened. They also told me the us air force never bombed korea or vietnam. Hope you get voter suppressed lol.
GermanAmericanGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:17 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
US did all of those things but they didn't singlehandedly destabilize the Middle East like you said. Any they weren't responsible for most of these genocide in Vietnam like you said. We bombed Korea because they invaded South Korea! Are you 13?
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:38 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao epic reddit knowledge, epic educated scholar knows everything like a damn brain genius, literal dr manhattan brain
GermanAmericanGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:40 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
13 year old confirmed.
CirqueKid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:26:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is going to be one of the craziest stories we'll hear in our lifetimes when the details actually come out in the coming decades. The Russian active measures in particular were one of the most effective weapons ever launched against us, and they worked exactly as Putin intended, and are still working!
Some info you might like:
http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org
https://medium.com/@michelledione/the-influential-power-of-memetics-625052287062
http://time.com/4783932/inside-russia-social-media-war-america/
lilhurt38 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:57:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% believe that Russia has been running an extremely effective misinformation campaign against the US and its allies. I work for a big data analytics firm. I'm currently working on a project where I'm assisting in the testing and design of a massive data management system for a government agency. I don't deal with the data security portion of it though.
I believe the whole Trump collusion story. I think the FSB gained access to voter rolls, ran a data mining operation based data from those voter rolls, figured out key issues for a lot of the voters, and created bots to post a ton of content on the internet which greatly exaggerated those issues. I believe that there are bots that post comments and content here on Reddit. If you're constantly seeing comments and stories with certain viewpoints, you're going to think that those viewpoints have are a lot more popular than they are. People naturally try to conform with their social group, so they start to take on those views themselves.
I think that the FSB was working closely with the Trump campaign, developing their strategy, and even directing him on what topics to hit on in his speeches. I also think that Trump's plan for his first 100 days was a plan to get rid of the checks and balances on the President's power. First, he pushes through a bunch of legislation that deregulates certain markets. He also happens to be invested in those markets, so he makes a ton of money off of his own actions. He then launders that money through shell corporations and funnels it to the politicians of his choosing through SuperPACS. That gives him the ability to basically buy off Congress. The one thing don't want when you're doing that is competition. That's why his plan included creating regulations for lobbyists. The specific regulations he passed created a barrier for lobbyists who had established relationships with people in government. That would make way for a takeover from his own lobbyists (who don't need established relationships with people in government since they already have a relationship with Trump and his people). That makes it so that it's only his money that they're getting. If he establishes a monopoly on campaign finance, they have to do what he says in order to keep their careers. From there he can appoint anyone to the Supreme Court who he wants. Finally, he gets them to pass congressional term limits. This gives him the ability to just wait out anyone who opposes him. Can't force them out by funding their competitor's campaign? Oh well, he can just wait till you hit your term limit and you'll be gone anyways.
gaslightlinux ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:51:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every country does this. It's what intelligence organizations do.
ToBeReadOutLoud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'd be stupid not to.
RicktatorshipRulez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this as well. Taking the US out of the picture would be beneficial to China and Russia, and both know they can't destabilize the country through force.
poadyum ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:22:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How? China is making billions (if not trillions) of dollars off of the US market, surely they see the value in that? What good would it do them to "take the US out of the picture"?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Out of the picture of geopolitical power and resource control, not the picture of a market to trade with.
poadyum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you can really separate those though, surely the volatility of the stock market is a prime example of how much things like national power are linked to commerce
CreamyGoodnss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:32:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they'll start trading with Russia instead
Kradget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly Russians and probably some hirelings are. They're looking to recapture some territory and relevance and feed the oligarchs, and don't have a lot to work with other than old Soviet weaponry and intelligence services.
I'm not sure China has a solid reason to do that, they're a massive piece of the global economy and a rising heavyweight without resorting to political destabilization. Their government thrives more on stable business with us and Europe at this point, and the Party seems to be playing a long-term influence and money game. It's been working really well for them so far.
Sendmeloveletters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes sense.
namdeew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once read something about the KGB, told by a former KGB-deflector, and their 70-year plan to demoralize (through popular media) and thus destabalize the US (and by that the western establishment).. More porn, nudity, fowl language, usage og drugs in the mass/popular media - and then trivializing the public debate betwixt politicians... dunno if I believe it though the thought is interesting considering many of the problems that people complain about in modern politics.
SirWinstonC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not even conspiracy
And it's not just your country
It's Western Europe
And the whole anglosphere
GermanAmericanGuy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:06:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know - which is why I mentioned the European pipeline from the Middle East.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 00:33:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China needs to be destroyed. The US Navy could do it in a couple of weeks
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:09:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Untrue. We have the most powerful navy in the world, with the most naval carriers. The Nimitz' class naval carriers alone each carry 15-20 fighter jets on them and we have 9. Our navy alone has the second largest air force in the world
Our defensive and offensive capabilities are bar none and we have a lot of anti missile defense systems that we have in place, some of which we were not allowed to use (the MIRV rockets built during the Reagan administration) because they were so fucking powerful.
CreamyGoodnss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because the United States has the coolest and most expensive stuff...well, that doesn't mean shit. Wars are not fought on paper.
China is probably the one nation that would have a legitimate shot at occupying the United States
namdeew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:56:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 billion young men ready to sign up for the army as infantry I've heart... that is a damn lot. Dunno if the facts checks out though
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, cool I didn't know that. Can you tell me more?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The main problem with China's missiles isn't the altitude, Aegis can hit shit skimming the ocean surface if it has to. The problem is the speed, by the time it locks on to a hypersonic missile it's too late.
GermanAmericanGuy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree - however, a bunch of war games, even ones like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNRaDv7qxg show we'd win, but at a very, very high cost.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. But they are a huge disturbance to the international world order. First, they have absorbed a lot of American manufacturing power. Companies across every industry - industrials, energy, tech, consumers discretionary/staples have put all their factories in China, stealing millions and millions of job because China is low cost, on top of the fact they are manipulating their currency to keep currency pairs at lows so the US dollar is stronger. That's billions of dollars in spending for U.S. consumers that could have gone to Americans, billions of dollars in wages, billion of dollars of spending in education, billions of dollars in taxes that the government could have used.
Moreover, they are actively trying to destabilize us by building a shit ton of infrastructure in South America and Africa and extracting all the economic resources there, while being a pain in the ass in the South Chinese Sea.
They also are not listening to our diplomatic efforts with the North Korean crisis - China has the diplomatic leverage to make North Korea stop their shit but they won't.
They're become a huge issue. Even if you were to consider this non politically, think of Chinese tourists. Seriously, every city they go, Mainlanders are the most ignorant, vile fucking disgusting human beins on the planet. The Chinese government had to write up a pamphlet detailing how tourists should behave.
I have chinese friends and love east japan and korea - but China is just a huge pain in the ass that thinks it's tough shit.
Any other videos or links to somehow being able to destroy china?
GermanAmericanGuy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:12:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with your points, I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. Anyways, here is one, it's super fascinating: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-vs-america-who-would-win-the-battle-the-south-china-16467
kula_shakur ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 22:08:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much a conspiracy theory but I believe that it's extremely possible that we are in a simulation of reality. I don't believe it's a matrix-like slavery, rather, we are simply a world of Sims who started and will end within a computer server. I believe that, if real scientists pursued physics theorems predicated on the idea that we are in a simulation, it would account for a lot of the weirdness that goes on in the extreme micro and extreme macro levels of the universe.
To take it one step further, it's virtually certain that humans will be able to create such a simulation here on earth in the future. A simulated universe with people who believe that they are real. If we ourselves can do it, why can't we already be inside the simulation?
poadyum ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:43:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of some of the extreme micro weirdnesses (quantum tunneling, etc) but what are some of the macro weirdnesses?
kula_shakur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:51:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking in terms of explaining the infinite quality of the universe. Not so much large sized objects.
rabtj ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, this is basically the same as believing in God, or fairies or trolls.
You have no explaination for some of the weird qualities of life, ergo it could be some wacky theory that someone has dreamed up.
I mean, why would you believe in anything without a single shred of solid proof other than hearsay and speculation?
kula_shakur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relax, it's an open discussion. No one is selling their belongings to find out the true nature of God.
rabtj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am chilled.
"I believe this for no reason" posts confuse me.
kula_shakur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's so much an "I believe this" scenrio as much as it's a "it's fun/interesting to explore these concepts as if they were real"
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:03:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good way to put this is that the possibility of us being a race of beings evolving into sentience is infinitely lower than the chance of another race at some point in some time evolving to the point where their technology could create this simulation. Throughout all possible cycles of the known and unknown universe in infinity, what's the chance that life actually evolved on this planet, here and now versus any other planet, anywhere else, at any time. Maybe I'm thinking at the wrong angle but it's always made sense to me
kula_shakur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes that is the idea.
James_Posey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing I always wonder is that once we are able to create virtual/simulated reality like this, wouldn't we have the knowledge to create virtual/simulated reality within each level of VR? Like, if I know how to make a grilled cheese in this world, I will know how to make a grilled cheese in every single partially simulated universe. So wouldn't the same rule apply to simulations?
kula_shakur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, to build on that concept, assuming the "creator" of our own simulated reality (our God, if you will) wants to see how a simulated universe functions on its own, he would know it's simply a matter of time before we discover how to simulate reality on our own. Then, 10,000 years later (actual time is irrelevant if you're running the simulation, you could conceivably fast forward/rewind as much as you want) his little simulations figure out how to make their own simulation and then THEIR simulation figures out how to make a simulation, etc...
This is why, not only is it highly possible that we are not only in a simulated reality, but we may be multiple levels deep.
James_Posey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay if that's true, then where does each simulated universe begin? Does every single one begin with a "Big Bang", or is the creator cultivating a world that exists after the big bang? If so, why do we, as simulations, have profound understanding of our universe before we existed or it existed? If it does begin with a big bang, how does the creator know the world will develop similarly to the one that he believes he is living in?
kula_shakur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing, we really don't know if our own universe started as a Big Bang, do we? That's what our models point to but, as any scientist worth their salt will tell you, it's nothing more than our best theory. I'm at the tail end of getting my geology degree and have come to understand that our historical models are really a "best guess" scenario in terms of the initial inception of earth and how the planets formed, etc. We really don't KNOW.
So let's look at the Big Bang through the perspective of a simulated universe. If our universe was actually a computer simulation, what would that first moment look like? Maybe because we can't fathom the idea of matter and space and time simply popping into existence (as it would in the Big Bang) we have to come up with models to explain that behavior.
Look at it this way, since the first people began to question the world around them, we have never been content to leave science unexplained. Humans WILL ALWAYS come up with an explanation for something we don't understand based on our current level of knowledge. The Big Bang was theorized before we even had a concept of a simulated universe. Now that we have these new concepts in place, maybe a simulation is a better explanation.
Ultimately, it comes back to the Creator with his finger on the Execute command. If you program a video game and then launch it for the very first time, how would it look and feel to those characters? How would they explain their existence if given the opportunity? "Uh, well....we weren't here and then, BANG, everything was here."
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proposition : there's not enough atoms in the Universe to build a computer which could store the state, position, momentum and all other properties of every atom in the Universe. I doubt you can build a storage device that can store all the properties of more atoms than the number of atoms it's made of.
kula_shakur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold on, are you suggesting that a computer program has atoms inside it? If we were indeed a simulation, WE would interact and perceive our surroundings as real but it would still be just a computer program to the person viewing the simulation. To simplify, imagine that the Sims were actual thinking people inside your computer - artificial intelligence.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm implying that to represent our reality 1:1, a simulation would have to simulate every single atom in the Universe.
If Sims were actually thinking people inside my computer they would perceive the world as it is simulated by y computer. Which is a bunch of wire frames with textures strapped on them.
kula_shakur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:28 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is shortsighted. If we can imagine a technologically advanced simulation (key word is Imagine) then I think it's safe to say that it may not even be within a computer as we know it. Maybe it's an organic miniature, maybe it's within an artificial brain - and to say that it needs to contain all the atoms? Why? Can a program not generate procedurally? Don't we have laws in our own universe that dictate that some particles behave differently when observed? Step outside your home PC and try to imagine the endless possibilities, not only of an advanced civilization but a civilization that has the power to create everything you see around you. Wire frames with textures is so....2017.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:\ Be it electronic or organic the problem remain the exact same. It's a question of probably unattainable levels of information density.
Contrary to popular belief, procedural generation is not magic. It's a pretty misunderstood mechanic it seems. All it does is generate a set of data. It can generate immense amounts of data, but in the end that data still has to be handled in real time.
Take No Man's Sky for example. Remember the "No loading times, no distance popping" and how that turned out to be bullshit? Sure you can replaces hundreds of files by some procedural generation on disk but all that does is generate data that ends up taking up space in your RAM.
Overall I get the impression that your reasoning here is more akin to that found in a Keanu Reeves meme than a pragmatic approach based on an understanding of the subject. Sure you can always "imagine" something but there's a point where it becomes an unfalsifiable claim based on the notion that logic or proof don't apply. Creationism 2.0.
kula_shakur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything you're saying makes perfect sense using all of our current technology and understanding of physics - I have no arguement in that regard.
I would simply assert that, in a hypothetical discussion about whether or not we are in a simulation run by a interdimensional/omnipotent/alien life force, all your knowledge about how computers and data and unattainable information density mean absolutely nothing. Again, if we can suspend disbelief enough to hypothesize about such things, arguing the capabilities of computer systems based on your 2017 understanding of what a computer is and/or what defines attainable levels of data storage seems pedantic and short sighted. Futurism is predicated on conceptual hypotheses that cannot be reigned in with concerns about the limitations of future technology.
50 years ago, a 1TB SD card would have been utterly inconceivable. A Bic lighter would have terrified a 13th century peasant. I hope I'm making my point here. I'm not concerned about what humans think is possible because, historically, that's never been indicative of actual scientific progress.
boogiemanspud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd recommend Clifford A Pickover's book A Beginners Guide To Immortality. It deals with the topic quite a bit. Pickover has some amazing ideas. He's probably genius level, but his writing is extremely interesting and easy for any layman to read.
kula_shakur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:04 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm already looking it up. I know I'm nowhere near the cutting edge on this type of stuff so I'm fascinated to see what others have already written about it. Thanks for the recommendation
Edythir ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 02:21:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk is a time traveler that came from the future to save the earth. I mean, he is revolutionizing one business after another, he is solely or in part responsible for 3rd Party Space Travel, Safe Internet Payment, Electric Cars, Hyperloop, Solar Cities and concepts of new planes. Along with warning everyone that North Korea is a minor problem compared to what AI will do to us if we are careless, sounds an awful lot like someone who had firsthand experiences with these technology, advanced from the future.
giddycocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:24:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's revolutionizing shit. His hyperloop is absolute fucking bullshit that never will see the light of day, there are multiple other ways of transportation proven in a lot of other countries that don't rely on an insanely expensive experimental project for a 'hyper train'. His solar panels are a scam. Teslas are nothing new, they're basically reinventing the wheel (first cars were actually electric... we just have the technology now to store power) with new bits that they're refining in-house (read: Not inventing) plus they are not even fucking close to autonomous driving - I'm closer to cumming sitting on my chair thinking of pineapples than their purely marketing fueled 'auto-pilot' drives cars - Mercedes Benz had a system very closely related and functional in the 90s.
The Space travel thing is just the capitalist in Elon taking over, getting to Mars my ass - he just smelled money when he realized there was an opening for a privately funded space exploration company.
Edythir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone is salty
worsediscovery ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:23:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ellen De-generous? Oprah Win-free?
Yeah there's something going on there.
Wooness ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:29:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Bruce Wayne is Batman, I know it sounds crazy but I mean who else would have the resources to be Batman?
notmyrealname86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:55:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's almost as crazy as the people who think Clark Kent is superman.
bird1759 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:19:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or people who think that Diana Prince is Wonder Woman.
albionhelper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:29:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you may be correct.
rabtj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, next you'll be claiming he has some sort of secret "batcave" under Wayne manor where he hides all his crazy cars and planes and stuff.
You tinfoil hat people crack me up.
SharkFN2187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dick Grayson - "Wait. Does Batman live in Bruce Wayne's basement?"
Batman - "No. Bruce Wayne lives in Batman's attic."
-The Lego Batman Movie
sirhiss220 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:38:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
American universities/colleges/establishments of higher learning are disgustingly expensive because the government knows that a population of closed off, uneducated young people with low standards and Facebook addiction is easy to manipulate in various ways. Those who do manage to get their liberal arts degree or whatever other useless crap end up in debt or paying off loans well into their 30's. All the stress and angst about paying your way through college, finding a relevant job, and housing makes it very easy for various powers-that-be to sway people one way or another.
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:56:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government changed the law so student loans cannot be discharged by bankruptcy. This means they can come after you - forever and there is no way out.
Once that law was in place there was no reason not to give unemployed students with no income, large loans knowing they would be paying on them for the rest of their lives.
This flood of money caused the universities to jack up the price of, well everything. The cost of education skyrocketed.
That is about it. No conspiracy required. Just a lot of greedy motherfuckers taking advantage of people too young and naive to know better.
Cameron_Black ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The existence of easy-to-get loans with no real credit approval of any kind (unlike every other kind of loan) gave colleges and universities the opportunity to increase their prices dramatically.
Go ahead, see if an 18 year old can qualify for a $100,000 unsecured loan for anything other than college tuition.
[deleted] ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 16:17:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DJHJR86 ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First people blamed the limo driver, William Greer. That theory has since been debunked. And then it evolved into another agent in the car behind the President's motorcade. But consider this:
Seems too implausible. Plus, this theory has also been debunked, several times.
Jowitness ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:11:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guys name is Boner? Wow, his parents were shitty.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chaitin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you be happy with implausible when the other choice is plausible?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chaitin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A group of terrorists hijacked four planes and attempted to fly them into buildings.
They said they did it, and terrorists have hijacked planes before. The only room for implausibility is in the details of how exactly the result came about (details which, as I've posted elsewhere, are generally easily explained, and occasionally explained with more difficulty).
LucyLilium92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Riiight, and one of the terrorists just happened to have their real passport with them on the plane, that passport magically was undamaged enough so that it was readable, even though the black boxes from the planes were nowhere to be found?
chaitin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very good example of what I was saying about the details. Your issue isn't with the means or motive, or the plausibility of the event itself (unlike the moon landing or JFK conspiracies for example). It's with one of the many items they found in the wreckage.
And you're not wrong--that passport surviving was an unlikely event. But weird things happen in plane crashes, fires, and building collapses. They found an almost intact flag from one of the bottom floors as well; what are the odds of that?
Doing some brief research it seems likely the passport, along with most other surviving debris, was thrown clear of the main crash site (it's not hard to imagine how that could happen to a passport). Again, maybe not likely, but certainly plausible. We've all read stories of people being thrown clear of deadly car wrecks and walking away unharmed.
So conspiracies have two problems here. First, they need to be more plausible than explanations like the above. Second, by their nature, they need to explain things like the intentional deaths of thousands and a wide scale cover up. I just need to explain how a passport was lucky enough to survive a plane crash.
bende511 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:18:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it implausible? On the contrary, the President is almost never under fire. Maybe a dozen Secret Service agents have ever had to deal with this scenario ever. It stands to reason that one might panic and accidentally discharge a weapon in this highest of stakes panic situation, and with even higher likelihood than a less stressful time.
DJHJR86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:16:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Until you watch the other footage of the assassination, the Bronson film, and you can clearly see the agents car behind Kennedy's has all of the agents seated during the headshot. That would've been impossible for any of them to have hit him at that trajectory from a seated position in the car behind him. That's why it's implausible.
OnTheSlope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you calculate the individual probabilities of every antecedent to an event then every event that has ever occurred is implausible.
DJHJR86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:13:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you look at the Bronson film, you can clearly see that the car behind Kennedy's had all of the agents sitting at the moment of the head shot. It's implausible to think that anyone other than Oswald killed Kennedy.
OnTheSlope ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:40 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about the JFK assassination, I care about poor logic
TreeBaron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A, Oswald, sets off a series of events which causes B, the president being shot accidentally. Saying what are the odds of one event causing another is ridiculous. What are the odds of two dominoes falling at the same time right next to each other in a line?
DJHJR86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:17:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A, read the articles linked, and B, see how easily this theory was debunked.
ActualButt ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:25:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, best case scenario from the first shot alone was that he would have been a vegetable. That second shot put him out of his misery.
PCRenegade ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:26:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First shit missed, second went through his neck/upper torso (with is the so called "magic bullet") and third was the head shot. According to official accounts.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His head explodes, you likely won't be a vegetable after that.
ActualButt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:39:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't really paying much attention, are you? The first bullet to hit him struck his spine. The second bullet is the one that kablooeyed his skull. The theory is hat that one was an accident.
AuntyMeme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the Zapruder film totally debunk the Oswald shooting from the book warehouse theory? Seinfeld even did a bit on it.
MagicSPA ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 23:36:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
President Kennedy was not shot by Lee Oswald alone and unaided - if Oswald even shot at him at all.
The hole in the back of JFK's skull was measured to be SMALLER than the calibre of bullet Oswald was supposed to have fired. Neither was the performance of the head shot consistent with what we'd expect from Oswald's ammo.
The Warren Commission panel was rife with questionable members; Pres. Johnson had previously described Gerald Ford as being "too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time", and yet Ford was just the man for the Commission to investigate the Crime of the Century. Allen Dulles had been fired from his high position in the CIA by JFK and harboured a notorious grudge, but when it came to serving on the Warren Commission he was A-OK.
A finger print found on a cardboard box by the Dallas Police - so a very FRESH print, in other words - in the School Book Depository and stored as "unknown" in the National Archives was later matched by a fingerprint analysis expert to Malcolm Wallace, a thug and gunman who had previously murdered someone on behalf of Lyndon Johnson to protect him politically, and been given a very light sentence as a result of intervention by interests aligned with Lyndon Johnson.
Some of the members of the Warren Commission itself, that famously flawed, contradictory, and incomplete document, concluded that they were not happy with the robustness of their findings.
The list goes on and on, but basically - the more you find out about the JFK assassination the more suspicious it gets.
Mantonization ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:10:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the theory that Oswald was the only gunman, but as the secret service agents scrambled on to the car one of them misfired their gun, putting another bullet into the president.
This would neatly explain the secrecy surrounding the whole affair (the head disappearing, etc) without requiring some huge conspiracy. It was the Cold Wars, times were tense, so they covered it up.
MagicSPA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:21:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a book about that in my room, "Mortal Error". It is a very convincing theory, but even if it is true it doesn't preclude the possibility that other powers were also at play, and that Oswald had nothing to do with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once watched a video where an ex policeman or something said the first weapon they brought from the depository was a Mauser but was never entered into any records, also I'm not sure where I saw this but it was someone talking about how they would pick someone up soon after the shooting occurred regardless. I think it's very possibly Oswald was framed
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, a Dallas deputy sheriff said later that a Mauser was recovered; he said that the officer who identified it used to run a sporting goods store and was an authority on weapons. That was the name that made it into the statement of one of the investigating officers, and which was released to the press - this was later rescinded, but that aspect of the entire case is one of many that is not referred to by the narrative put forward by many authors or the MSM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDAiC8Bb75M
gaslightlinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look into the Zapruder film, it was obviously edited and held back for very long. What they had to cover-up: the kill shot is actually two sniper shots hitting him almost at the same time, something that couldn't happen with a lone gun man.
The first shot gets him in the neck. The kill shot is two nearly simultaneous head-shots. There's also a bystander who got hit, in addition to the Governor.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I heard about that a while back. The measurements in the Zapruder film dont' add up, witnesses heads aren't following the car when you'd expect them to, some of the crowd seem to have stopped moving during the second "cut", even though you'd expect them to wave, or jump, or turn to track the limo.
A lot to talk about with that idea. An edited Zapruder film would explain a lot.
foxden_racing ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 01:47:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is more to 9/11 than we know.
Not the steel beams crap, or any of that...the jet fuel thing has been debunked, the not-matching debris thing has been debunked, the missile thing has been debunked, the popular conspiracy theories don't have a leg to stand on.
I'm talking something far less sinister...like covering up a monumental clusterfuck of failed communication between intelligence and administration, or at its most malicious Dubya's handlers intentionally ignoring warnings so that Cheney could get Halliburton a sweetheart deal on some newly-acquired Iraqi real estate.
I don't think Dubya knew...he looked WAY too dumbfounded during the infamous 'My Pet Goat' scene to be in on it, though I do have no doubts that his daddy issues were the perfect leverage Cheney and Rumsfeld needed to get him to go along with it once the wheels were in motion. He always came off as desperate to break out of HW's shadow, and what better way to do that than to 'Do what daddy couldn't' and unseat Saddam (unwitting or willingly ignorant that HW didn't take it because his generals all said 'This is a bad idea, Saddam is an asshole with no right to run a country but he's the only thing keeping it from devolving into a three-way civil war and we do NOT want to get tangled up in that mess', and being the man he was, he listened to them)
vayyiqra ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:59:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe if anyone covered up anything about 9/11, it's what a massively inept failure of government it was.
Starkville ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:53:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About a month before 9/11 I was working late at the place across the street from the WTC. When I left work, there were many many official Port authority vehicles (like patrol cars, but marked with PA-NY/NJ)parked around the South Tower. I'd only been working there for a couple of months, so I have no idea if that was a normal thing. I guess it stuck out in my mind because most civil servants don't work that late, and they wouldn't schedule a regular summit sort of meeting at 8:00 pm. Or, it could have been nothing. Also, in the month before the attacks, my manager was sent to our disaster recovery location for a "dry run". Those two completely unhidden things made me wonder how much was known. Probably TPTB knew an attack was imminent, just not the exact details.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:29:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Scottish. Totally amazed anyone believes the 9/11 official story. It's terminal bullshit. You might enjoy the, extremely thorough, work of David Ray Griffin.
Mr_Mars ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:47:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it still a conspiracy theory after CNN does a report on it?
It's basically common knowledge at this point that the intelligence community had plenty of warning signs that Al Qaeda was planning something big and probably to do with airplanes. Balls were dropped.
Here's the real conspiracy theory though: it wasn't incompetence at all; the government knew what was going down. As noted, they had lots of advance notice. They knew there would be hijackings, they knew Al Qaeda was behind it. They probably knew who the hijackers were. They probably knew the rough timeframe if not the exact times and dates. The only thing they didn't know was the end game. They expected the hijacked planes would be used as leverage for ransom, demands, airtime, etc etc. It never occurred to them that the hijackers had no intention of coming out of this alive, or that the planes would be turned into literal weapons. They figured they'd let the hijackings happen, wait for the planes to run out of fuel and be forced to land, swoop in and save the day. The President gets a nice little bump to his approval rating, hostage rescue teams get some live fire exercises, the government gets leverage on middle eastern states that aren't super friendly. It was expected to all be a relatively tame affair. Dubya wasn't dumbfounded by the attacks themselves, but rather by the magnitude of them, and the realization that he let them happen.
I don't really believe that, but given the thread we're in.
ToBeReadOutLoud ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:54:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you mean government coverup of ineptitude prior to the attack?
The 9/11 Commission report was pretty damning about how much of a giant clusterfuck of failure the response that day was.
foxden_racing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:31 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do indeed.
whymustichews ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:16:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Air conditioner companies rule the world. the hotter it gets, the more units they sell
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, they make the indoors cold by pumping the hotness outdoors, and the circle continues!
ThomasaurusR3X ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:51:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R + L = J
RossDaily ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on board w/ this
DarthSillyDucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a theory
thedrunkdingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
??
ThomasaurusR3X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones
thedrunkdingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh.
shablagoo14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking confirmed!
SegmentedMoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's been officially confirmed dude.
CVV1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:38:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US intelligence agencies control a lot of the media messaging. Not by direct control but by "leaking" certain information they feel will affect outcomes of certain situations. How often do we simply hear "government sources" rather than actual names?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCfTIapds0
We've seen this happen with the intelligence agencies leaking stuff about Trump.
Much of the information during the Watergate scandal came directly from someone involved with the FBI. Deep Throat worked for the FBI and gave information to Woodward and Bernstein.
Sirgeeeo ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 16:22:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA hoaxed the flat JFK inside job
beeps-n-boops ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:37:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In English please?
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 17:13:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's referencing a bunch of different conspiracy theories at once.
NASA faked the moon landing and the round earth is a hoax.
JFK was killed by the cia (which is actually a conspiracy theory spread by the KGP)
9/11 was an inside job
OJ didn't do it is probably in there too.
Sirgeeeo ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:03:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's gonna find the killer in Florida, apparently
helpful-loner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere in there it also says that the killer liked Pepsi
Michael_o_Mara ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:37:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My god I fucking lost it at this one.
Namnodorel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot the flat earth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're missing flat earth
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because it is.
spookyjohnathan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GAY FROGS!
LHOOQatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA told a lie to some flat JFK guy when he was in his job.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space can't melt flat JFK.
Eddie_Hitler ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 19:17:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many UFO sightings - including the Roswell incident - weren't extra-terrestrial at all. They were just Soviet aircraft intruding into North American airspace and that is something the US and Canadian governments couldn't ever publicly admit to because of catastrophic national security implications. Retaliate, and you go to war. Go public, and the public demand answers. Best bet is to keep quiet and just let it happen.
Notice how all these weird lights in the sky started appearing over US military installations at the height of the Cold War? There you have it. There was also another incident where a suspicious aircraft crashed into the sea, with both US and Canadian navies sealing the area and guarding the crash site. Probably a crashed Russian spyplane.
K-Zoro ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:35:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That or they were top secret American aircraft. That makes a lot more sense as to how you would see them by military bases as they were testing them. I'm not sure the Russians could fly aircraft across the USA without refueling.
ZAVHDOW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no reason it couldn't be both.
octopus5650 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd think that it was an SR-71 being tested. The lights could have been the afterburners lighting off, the TEB does make a brilliant flame.
vayyiqra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's much more fun to believe that Area 51 is full of top-secret experimental aircraft built by the United States and full of mind-boggling new technology than that it's full of dumb 1950s flying saucers.
KA1N3R ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely not.
There's also no way they'd risk it more than once.
JimmyBoombox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a terrible theory. Mainly because you ignore the red scare that happened during the 40s into the 50s. So the public wouldn't ask questions if soviet aircraft were found flying over the US. They'd be alright with hunting the reds. Like they did with all the false accusations of Hollywood being red, senators, etc.
Dakjaniel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that the vast amount of UFO sightings decreased extensively after the decline and fall of the USSR, despite the increase in availability and quality of recording technology should be pretty compelling.
Vpantha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very interesting. But i believe we as well as other nations recieved the knowledge of advanced aircraft from other terrestrial beings visiting here. There are many accounts from columbus seeing flying ships in the air to many tribes worshipping sky people.
whatsinthesocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Roswell Incident was a part of Porject Mogul, a top secret project to detect Soviet nuclear tests using microphones attached to high altitude balloons.
You should also check out Mirage Men. It's a book and documentary detailing the Air Force's efforts to use UFOs and the community to cover up for top secret testing
octopus5650 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russians didn't have capabilities to do a US recon mission. They'd need in-air refueling close to the US. The Blackbird could but Russia never had anything close to it.
nothing_in_my_mind ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there is a reason why the height of "UFO sightings" coincide with the cold war.
BreadBeforeBed ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:18:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see Russian aircraft over U.S. land pretty often and wondered why they are allowed to do it. I don't think they are..
TwitchyGerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both Russia and the US, as well as several other countries, have a treaty that allows any of them to fly over any part of any other country in the treaty. I forget it's name, but the topic came up recently when Russia flew a spy plane over the white house while it was being renovated.
Some stipulations are that flights have to be planned ahead of time, all gathered information has to be shared, and a representative of the observed country is on-board during the flyover. For the most part, any airspace of any participating country is wide open to any other.
EDIT: Found it!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
BreadBeforeBed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome to learn! Thank you for looking and explaining a bit!
ShutY0urDickHolster ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:47:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre putting chemicals in the water and turning the fricken frogs gay!
McFlyyouBojo ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:54:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Andy Kaufman is still alive fo sho. I'm to lazy to look up the official deets, but it was known by his inner circle that he was obsessed with faking his own death. Furthermore, he ended up befriending a man with cancer. He was known to ask the man several questions about what it was like. Why is the cancer important? It was an extremely rare form. This becomes even more significant when it turns out this is the same form of cancer Andy developed. The theory states that the dying man took his place as the supposedly looked similar.
It doesn't end there, however. He had an accomplice, the guy portrayed by Paul Giamatti (spelling?) In Man on the Moon.this same guy came out a few years ago saying that not only did he fake it, but that Andy gave him explicit instructions that if he hadn't made a public reappearance by that time, to publicly call him out. Out of all the fake celebrity deaths, I believe this one is most likely to be true as one way you could describe Andy's style as avant guard (yes I know. Probably misspelled as well) and very social experiment-esque.
One of four things are true. One. He did die but asked his publicist or whoever he is to do this as one final joke. Two. He did fake his death, and diedsince then. Three, he fakes his death and is waiting for a good time. Or four, death faked, either enjoys his anonymity too much, realizes his family would be hurt, or he has another reason for just deciding to stay "dead".
Edit: feel free to correct me on anything!
wallyworldbeeyatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want this one to be true!!!
His friend was Bob Zmuda, his writing partner. He wrote a really good book called "Andy Kaufman Revealed," which is a bio of Andy, and later another one explaining why he thinks Andy faked his death.
Andy, come back! The world misses you!!!
ALandWarInAsia ยท 333 points ยท Posted at 18:43:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Selfies were popularized by the US government to train facial recognition software. Makes too much sense to not be true.
mrnotoriousman ยท 354 points ยท Posted at 19:54:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? People love taking pictures of themselves. And before cameras, there were portraits. Selfies are just a way to not only take a picture of yourself, but brag to other people about where you are. No doubt the government takes advantage of it, but they didn't need to do any work to make them popular.
funkymunniez ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:19:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you can always tell how young someone is when they refer to selfies in some manner like this and ignore or are unaware that before the internet, people just used point and shoot cameras instead of Instagram
empire_strikes_back ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But taking a photo of yourself with a point and shoot was seen as lame.
funkymunniez ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:58:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like how people say the same thing about selfies?
ArtooDerpThreepio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ellen, et al.
PM_me_goat_gifs ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I don't believe that. I would be willing to believe that somebody in the intelligence community noticed that #throwbackthursday was useful to age-prediction software and mentioned something to Colin Powell and he tried to make it more popular.
But its more likely that he posted that photo of himself for his own amusement.
mattress757 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:41:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in the 90's and early noughties. I don't think selfies became a thing until smart phones, but even after they came out - maybe 2-3 years. Even cameras with reversible viewfinding screens have been availabe for ages before smart phones, but selfies weren't a thing people ever did.
mrnotoriousman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:52:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not remember MySpace lol? It was even a thing called the MySpace angle to make selfies more attractive looking. Were you on AIM in the 90s too? So many people had selfie photos as their avatar. This is nothing new people love to take photos of themselves, phone cameras just made it way more easy to share. No conspiracy here.
AuntyMeme ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 23:00:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it had to be sold to us via the Kardashians and Daily Mail. Was not an organic thing.
EpicDumps ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:59:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, and Throwback Thursday was a ploy to save pictures that were posted before facebook saved everything
HakushiBestShaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:25 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except if you go back to older pictures on Facebook, Facebook actually starts compressing the shit out of your photos.
Meetybeefy ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:15:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, I've heard a theory that the Snapchat face filters, like the dog ears, are used to build a facial recognition database.
MableXeno ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then from me they've got a lot of images of my toddler pretending to breathe fire.
inclassright ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:11:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i mean you have to take a picture for your drivers license and that goes directly into a data base so why would they need facial recognition software when they already get names and pictures via government issued IDs and drivers licenses?
DOSETHEDEA ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:02:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sample size/variables, maybe. Different angles, glasses, hats, face paint etc.
Fluffy_Apple ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:28:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Selfies are popular across the entire world. I live in Australia, and as a kid I did it with a digital camera while having no connections to social media. It's human nature. If anything, a company like Facebook would use preexisting selfies to train face recognition, but the US government would have little to no use for that kind of technology.
bradd_pit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is #tbt (throw back Thursday) so they can algorithmically learn to track facial aging.
Eggmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems more likely that if they are doing that they just capitalized on a trend that was inevitable the moment teenage girls got their hands on portable cameras connected to the internet
trevorturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate people's inherent narcissism.
Mr_Mars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
#throwbackthursday
ikilledtupac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh idk about you, but my name and face have been on my govt issued drivers license for 20 years LOL...that recognition shit is for marketing.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer actual evidence over โmakes too much sense to not be trueโ.
machinegunmax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The quality of machine learning algorithms generally don't keep increasing with the amount of training data after a certain point, eventually it makes little difference. Eg. I can train an image rec algorithm on a database of 1m images or 10m images it wont make much difference. It would be much better to spend resources on researching algorithms rather than collecting more data.
The point of a selfie is for other people to see it, its vanity. Noone looks through albums of their own selfies, selfies are to show other people how hot you look, hence why they increased after all these social media photo apps started coming out, I don't think that has anything to do with America.
Going to have to completely disagree with this one, I would say almost certainly not true and makes very little sense.
LemonLimeAlltheTime ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the dumbest one so far.
ChinookNL ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:48:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erdogan faked the coup
DesperatelyStrong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not a conspiracy when it's common knowledge
azswift ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:22:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government has seeded conspiracy theory groups with members who are visibly off-balance mentally to make members of groups that are too close to the truth seem really wacky and untrustworthy.
The_sky_marine ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:08:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After reading the book I Heard You Paint Houses (strong recommendation btw) I'm convinced that the mob had JFK killed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great book!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:36:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world government, I'm sure of it. Every year the politics just look faker and faker. They don't even care to hide it anymore.
charmanderaznable ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:59:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly confident that Princess Diana was assassinated.
Bonk_EU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q :D
ANoiseChild ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:07:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Nixon administration started the War on Drugs in order to discriminate against blacks and the anti-war (Vietnam) movement. The reason why I believe that's true is because his 'domestic policy chief' came out and said it:
Domestic Policy Chief John Ehrlichman - "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
from what i've read. Nixon was well known for hating most everyone.
booblydoobly028 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 21:13:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain was murdered
Now I won't go as far to say it was Courtney love - no evidence of that.... but he died with his shoes on and so much heroin in his system that it would have been incredibly difficult to shoot himself with a rifle ... he would have had to take his shoes off to pull the trigger
XooDumbLuckooX ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 23:12:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, it was a shotgun, not a rifle. It's not really that difficult to stretch your arm out to reach the trigger of a gun of this size with the barrel under the chin or in the mouth. Second, heroin addicts (and opiate addicts as a whole) can develop drug tolerances that require them to take much higher doses than an average person would need to get "high." The amount of heroin he had in his blood would incapacitate an opiate-naive person but is completely normal for a person with a significant heroin tolerance.
If this was just some normal dude nobody would doubt that his death was a suicide. But because he was famous, many people want to believe that his death was a murder despite the overwhelming evidnce to the contrary and the multitude of warning signs he exhibited (drug abuse, clinical depression, previous suicidal ideation, etc.)
Hargleflurpen ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:09:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To back up your bit about opiate-addicts requiring much larger doses, Anthony Kiedis, lead singer of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, was in a bad motorcycle accident, breaking one or both of his arms I don't recall, and smashing up his mouth. In order for the morphine to have effect, he needed what was then and I believe still is now the LARGEST dose recorded in Cedars-Sinai Hospital history.
rabtj ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:10:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ozzy Ozbourne says in his autobiography that he went to the doctors for (something, cant remember what) and the doctor had to give him a sedative.
The doctor had to give him 4 times the recommended dose of sedative to knock him out. Enough, he said, to have put a horse out.
RG3ST21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
scar tissue was a great book
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:10:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's not good reason to stay the hell away from drugs, I don't know what is.
rabtj ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:07:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont care how fucked up i am, i bet i could still mouth a shotgun barrel and pull a trigger.
Its not like u need a good aim or anything.
drawdeadonk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:06:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lifelong friends have refuted the clynical depression thing, not to mention all the weird shit Courtney Love did leading up to his death. I can't remember exactly everything that led up to it, but there's a good documentary on Netflix with a ton of voice recordings between the PI Courtney hired and Courtney, that really make you think.
zalacheko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:21:35 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about there was no fingers print of him on the gun and ammo?
klsi832 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:08:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He still had his rehab bracelet on in the death photos, too, even though the official story is he left rehab on a Friday night and shot himself the following Tuesday. I think he was ambushed Saturday or Sunday and injected with a massive dose of heroin (hopefully not held captive at all). He bought two plane tickets right after he left rehab and left a message for Courtney that simply said 'Elizabeth's phone number is...' Cali DeWitt was living at the Seattle house where Kurt's body was found at the time, she talked to Cali on the phone many times that weekend, he and his girlfriend saw Kurt when he got home in the wee hours of Saturday morning. When Courtney called Tom Grant she told him no one had seen him or heard from him since he left rehab, even though he left her a message giving her a phone number where'd he be. Then in the middle of trying to track down her suicidal husband she hires an electrician to work right where the body is lying. None of that is fishy at all.
StrompyFrimp ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:47:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention Courtney's "practice papers" in her backpack. She was copying his style of handwriting from his journals to fake his suicide note. They were about to divorce, which would've meant she would've lost out on his Nirvana fortune since they had a prenup.
klsi832 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:48:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's too much to not even mention. That's why there's been several books and movies about it.
mendax__ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he have had to take his shoes off?
3dswho ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To use his toes to pull the trigger
3OH3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't know but I'd assume that pulling the trigger of a shotgun held to your head is pretty difficult unless you use your toes.
radiatorchair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To pull the trigger with his toe/s.
rshacklef0rd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:16:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The tv show Unsolved Mysteries did an episode on Kurt Cobain - they said he was too, because someone tried to use his credit cards after he was already dead but before the body was found. They also showed the shotgun and measured the strength needed to pull it off.
StrategicBean ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:17:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno why this isn't higher up but yes. Totally believe this one. Though I do think Courtney had a role in it in some capacity
ronimal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he have to take his shoes off to pull the trigger?
LettuceWouldntFit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To use his toes. It was a shotgun.
ronimal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm well aware that he used a shotgun but that doesnโt mean he couldnโt have used his hand on the trigger
Sallyrockswroxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think.. most shotguns are more than 3 ft long
__Noodles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:00:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The barrels aren't.
A LONG shotgun barrel is 30". A typical hunting barrel is 24". Defensive guns and turkey hunting barrels are 18-20". Police use 14" usually. Breaching guns can be 8-12". All on the same action/firearm.
It's unlikely Kobain's shotgun was 30" barrel, they're only reallly for bird hunters.
willy3806 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to think that one of my favorite musicians didn't kill himself, but he truly did. Chris Cornells death and more recently Chester Bennington certainly show that even those who appear happy and have loving families still have their own personal demons. Personally, I don't trust anything Tom Grant, the PI hired by Love, has to say. He's a publicity hound and frankly a pretty lousy PI (he was at Cobain's house a day or two before he killed himself and if he did a proper search of the area he may have found Kurt holed up on the premises).
Kurt was a addict and depressed individual. He had a tremendous effect on people and the music industry, but also couldn't get past the skeletons in his closet. It's incredibly sad, but really not all that unlikely or surprising. Most of the "facts" of the case people tend to spread come from Tom Grant himself who I think was just trying to get attention/save himself after he didn't do his job correctly.
weiers08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this theory, but him being a rampant heroin user makes me believe he was low and wanted to end it all.
Fillertracks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I recall he had 1.48 ppm of heroin in his system and that .5 ppm would Kill even hardcore junkies. The book written about his death by the private investigator hired by Courtney love to find him while he was still missing was fascinating, of love and death if I do recall.
_Mephostopheles_ ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:09:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates is actually an alien who traded places with a relatively unremarkable, identical-looking human, and is now using Windows to slow down human progress, error by error.
ran93r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the real BG is writing code for alien motherships?
Now Independence Day makes sense.
_Mephostopheles_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the aliens are super chill. They just like art. Bill Gates is a famous singer (aliens are bad at music).
(I'm not just making shit up. This is all a reference to Year Zero by Rob Reid. I take every chance I get to recommend that book to people because I love it so much.)
o0Rh0mbus0o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates (Alien place trader and error causer) vs Elon Musk (Time traveler come to save us)
dakak36 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:44:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paul Pierce pooped his pants
pionear ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:04:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That there is a secret elitist group that basically controls most if not all governments.
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:32:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an argument for a level of complexity that's just not remotely plausible
pionear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying what I propose is impossible ?
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all, I'm just saying that the amount of information control needed to achieve such a thing, and the number of contact points that would need to be controlled for information leaks, makes it highly improbable that such an effort would stay secret for very long.
lol-117 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:22:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TV Tropes was created to ruin your life.
warriorgramma ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:58:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is more a personal conspiracy theory, but my sister and I are convinced that our mom is not our gramma's biological daughter. We think she never had sex with our grandpa, he knocked up a Jewish gypsy women (this was in a poor Polish neighbor in Philly in the 50s), gramma was so horrified about what it would do to her reputation that she took the baby and pretended it was hers.
Evidence includes no pregnant photos of gramma or newborn photos of mom, no one in my family remembers gramma being pregnant, gramma and grandpa both have fair skin and hair while mom has olive skin and thick curls, and gramma gets REALLY MAD whenever we joke that we have Jewish ancestry.
HellaTrill420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:10:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is legitimately interesting.
Please update if you find out more.
crackerycream ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:37:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wagon wheels, cadburys cream eggs and fredos, are all slowly shrinking over time but going up in price
HappyMaskMajora ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:50:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar binks was indeed planned to be a Sith lord
mrcarrot9 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:29:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The theory of Elvis Presley still being alive has some very hard evidence
TurnPunchKick ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:36:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
mrcarrot9 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:52:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well... if you google it you can find stuff about it, normally i think those theories are stupid but a view days ago some guy on tv and talked about it on a talk show, one thing he talked about was that the middle name of elvis was spelled wrong on his tomb stone, thats not a big thing but in 1989 an unknown artist gave a tape to a producer, the song is called "spelling on the stone" and the artist sounds exactly like elvis, a piece of the lyrics of the song: "people wonder, people ask, am i present, am i past, i never left, i haven't gone, check the spelling on the stone"
Jurjeneros ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 20:00:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Very hard evidence"
Nice one
theDUDEhasreturned ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:56:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More believable than tupac still being alive. But Why? Why would he want to fake his own death?
TurnPunchKick ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:01:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elvis was a simple man at his core. He had had his fun and he just wanted to go back to bumfuck nowhere and drive a truck, and chill on his porch like the hick he was supposed to be.
So he found am out. Or as the movie Bubba Hotep tells the story the switch happened earlier and a Elvis Double was the guy who went to Vegas on die on the shitter.
superkp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:18:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch Bubba Ho-Tep.
While the movie is definitely stupid (in a fun way), it makes the whole portrayal of motives pretty clear and believable.
TastyFace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was it again? The fame got to be too overwhelming, so he switched with the world's best Elvis impersonator "for a few years" but the dude and his attorney both died or something and he couldn't resume his own identity?
mrnotoriousman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:59:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you need to brush up on your definition of hard evidence lol.
mrcarrot9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep :p
minnick27 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:07:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also why is he not buried next to his mother? He loved her so much why not be right next to her?
numanoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world is full of people that sound like Elvis. Hell, there are Asian Elvis impersonators. Elvis' voice is really easy to mimic, once you hear him. Elvis just had the benefit of being the original.
mrcarrot9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/TdZQfodrw34
crocheted_potholder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I missing something? It's "Aaron", is it not? Went to Graceland last fall and his grave marker definitely said Elvis Aaron Presley.
thruendlessrevisions ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:36:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You done messed up, A-A-Ron.
mrcarrot9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:29:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it's spelled wrong, it's Elvis Aron presley, with one A
TurnPunchKick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Elvis voice would have changed by then wouldn't it? I mean he would be older. Hmmm
mrcarrot9 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:50 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wel of you listen to the song it changes a little but it still sounds like him, and a voice can stay well preserved for a singer if treaded right
GeneralCottonmouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even in the world where Elvis is still alive, he's dead by now.
mrcarrot9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:27:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have to be there are a lot of 80 year old still alive
Brendy02 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 01:05:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever Apple or any other big tech company release a new device, they always put out an update that causes the past generations to act up. I have always noticed that my phones began acting strange close to the release of the next model.
HetfieldBiersack ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:20:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was generally accepted as true. It's smart, albeit shady, business.
otiliorules ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:05:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more of a we don't care to spend time and resources fixing the bugs that come up on the old hardware when we try to get the current generation working perfectly.
This is how it works with web development and dealing with different browsers too.
stackz410 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can get behind this
sample_size_of_on1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:45:22 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flight 800 did NOT explode because of the center fuel tank.
There are two competing theories, one is that someone with a shoulder mounted missile launcher standing on or just off the beach shot it down, the other that a sub was doing live firing exercises and things went horribly wrong.
I have no favorite. But as an aviation buff the center fuel tank never held water for me.
itwashimmusic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:15:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it held fuel.
sample_size_of_on1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:31:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it didn't. That is why they said the plane exploded.
itwashimmusic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! I had no idea. So...water? I'm sorry. I'm lost...
sample_size_of_on1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:35:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was simply empty. Planes routinely fly with only the fuel they need - they don't necessarily fill the tanks like you would a car.
There are very good reasons for this. Weight and balance, efficiency, etc. For Flight 800 the center fuel tank was empty. They blamed the explosion on a spark and vapor.
cendasprime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is mine, too. So many credible witnesses. I was in CT at the time and remember President Clinton & Hillary going to the New York (!) airport to wait with the families. Hillary might have been working on her Senate bid, but why Bill unless there was some national implication?
sample_size_of_on1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am completely undecided which theory I like better though. The missile or the sub. Both are pretty convincing for different reasons.
Here is the thing about the center fuel tank.... Running a plane with that tank empty is kind of normal. I mean, look into what I said earlier - planes run with the fuel they need. They don't tend to run excess of what they need. Running with that tank empty was a fully normal thing.
Why did this plane explode and others did not? Planes should have been exploding for some time... yet only this one.
Pick your conspiracy. One of them has the President not wanting to face the ramifications of international terrorism on our shores. The other is the Navy covering up shooting down an airliner.
CFCA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Submarine holing live fire exercises can be imidiatly ruled out. No submarine carries anti-air missiles that reach as high as an airliner flies. If any they carry a short range stinger missile that cant hit Airliners at altitude, only when near ground. It couldn't have been a unlucky collision with a ballistic missile either as all those tests are conducted in the pacific.
sample_size_of_on1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plane hadn't yet reached cruising altitude, it had just taken off. The airport is very close.
Multiple, independent (the witnesses don't know each other) witnesses reported missile contrails prior to seeing the explosion.
CFCA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even so, a submarine is bot going to be firing off missiles willy nilly especially when they dont carry AA missiles normally. If we are operating under the assumption that it was shot down from the sea then I would've had to of been a surface vessel, or Terrorists on a fishing boat. During the investigation the FBI checked and rechecked all the logs and serial numbers of the navies anti-aircraft missiles on board ships in the area, so the only way they could've done it is it someone at a very high-level cooked the books so to speak
sample_size_of_on1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it is the Navy, then this is exactly what I am suggesting.
Outofreich ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:51:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god! They killed Kennedy! You bastards!
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:12:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 30% of Second Life is real people and the other 70% are bored FBI agents listening in on their conversations.
Deflargo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Second Life like the game? Can you elaborate?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:26 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the cancerous game.
keboh ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:16:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK. My grand father is one of the foremost voices in the JFK and MLKjr conspiracies. I've seenabd read some crazy fucking shit. Nothing classified, but he has read basically all of the declassified documents and has the more telling ones ear marked.
Blacklink2001 ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 00:05:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not exactly a conspiracy, but the media is actively subtly trying to influence how we think. It's no mind controlling but they are inevitably biased and try to portrait political players as a specific imago to make us like or dislike specific persons. The USA is always the big good guys. Russia is the evil bad commie east. Left parties are good and populists are bad but unexplainably popular. I'm not sure if any of it comes from or is supported by the government to advance their politicial agendas but it's clear as daylight how biased they are, and I'm pretty sure they portray certain people badly on purpose to change our opinions.
brinazee ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:53:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it's not subtle, I think it is more overt.
whiskeytab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"How Millennials Are Killing Propaganda"
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:55:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This very site is pure propaganda. Stories are removed are shadow banned. Bots manipulate voting. Admin have admitted to changing pro trump comments, mods of big subs probably get contacted by groups all the time.
Reddit is one of the worst news sources I can think of and all these teenagers get there news from here.
skinwalkerstalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are good news sources?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is sooooooooo many sources out there. I tend to take some left leaning ones, some right and then ones that tend to be middle of the pack. With technology you can pull news sources from mutiple places and then have them all together.
Its crazy how many ways one headline can change.
Literal_SJW ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're remembering that wrong.
TwitchyGerman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:08:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Operation Mockingbird
bookofthoth_za ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:36:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like how in Soviet Russia, they were all told how the USA is basically a failed state with greedy capitalists taking over everything, leaving people homeless and starving?
Yes, this is called propaganda, and is used on you whenever you switch on your TV.
Just imagine, there are thousands of people out there right now figuring out just the right thing to say or show you you, to get you to do what they want. They will monitor you, collect information about you, and use this to change your opinion on them, on their terms, and all your neighbours will agree with them, making you look like the odd one out.
In China, it's taken to a whole new level of Party Allegience using overt gamification.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't try to control public opinion, someone else will
EvilFlyingSquirrel ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:48:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tire companies hardened the compound of their all-season tires so they are less effective in winter, increasing their sales of winter tires.
LD_in_MT ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:14:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, harder tires have less traction, but longer life. It's a trade-off. Winter tires have lugs that hold snow in them on the theory that snow sticks to snow better than rubber sticks to snow.
debunkernl ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:40:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy cars
while-eating-pasta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also coincided with several areas (including mine) passing laws where winter tires are mandatory, even when certain existing all seasons were as good or better than those now certified as winter. Those laws didn't pass everywhere, so they then compromised the safety of the all seasons to generate some deaths to push the laws through later.
TastyFace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't, it would be "Tire companies sell all-season tires that are too soft and fall apart."
-I_RAPE_THE_DEAD- ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 21:19:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millenials were invented to bolster the participation trophy industry.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:58:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the dastardly avocado toast lobby and their endless vendetta against homeownership.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millenials were invented by a couple of hokey writers to sell their shitty book by capitalising on generational resentment. It was then picked up by the media for cheap ratings boost by capitalising on that same resentment. It was picked up by Conservatives to discredit the views of the progressive youth.
Like every other previous generations. The people making these books aren't even sociologists. It's a race to who's going to coin the name for the next generation first and make money off it.
AskMeIfImAReptiloid ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 16:33:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WikiLeaks timed the leak of the E-Mails to hurt the Clinton campaign.
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 00:11:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks official mission statement says that they will release information so that it has the highest possible impact. So yea, you're right.
terenn_nash ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 18:36:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
half right.
Could wikileaks have thrown a curveball and delayed the release of said information until after the election? Yes. Did they have this information verified for weeks/months and sat on it until it maximized Clinton damage - possible but unlikely.
Wikileaks vettes any information it receives and it has a solid track record because of this. Vetting information takes time.
This vetting process takes time.
Whomever provided the information to wikileaks did so knowing this and timed their leak to wikileaks such that the information would be vetted and released at a time to maximize damage to Clinton.
Someone was counting on a rough timetable and used wikileaks. Some say it was Seth Rich who was convienently killed in a robbery gone bad(where nothing was taken from his body) or its possible it was Russia.
Krishnath_Dragon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet it is very curious that a) The leaks against Clinton and the Democrats came while Julian Assange was in exile in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. And b) there was a noticeable lack of leaked material regarding the republican candidate(s).
Assange had motive to harm the democrats, where wikileaks got the info is irrelevant, they could have sat on it for another week to avoid influencing the election, yet they chose not to because it would hurt the democrats.
GallMcOxsbig ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:58:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinton was on record saying she wanted to "drone wikileaks down". Why would he hold off on releasing information that could stop her from becoming president.
clearlyunseen ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:28:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So youre saying hes right...
Krishnath_Dragon ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:13:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't he release information about Trump?
magicmurph ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:15:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because no one gave him any meaningful info about Trump. We already knew everything that mattered about him.
Krishnath_Dragon ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:25:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. /s
Literal_SJW ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said he had info on Trump but decided not to release it even though they claim to release all information they get because they say they're all about "freedom of information" yet they also haven't released their dirt on Russia that they promised years ago. :Thinking:
GallMcOxsbig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
username checks out
Literal_SJW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:32 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.businessinsider.com/assange-turned-down-documents-related-to-russian-government-corruption-2017-8
Pylons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you say this like it's uncommon?
KA1N3R ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:11:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WikiLeaks is run by or coordinates heavily with Russian Intelligence and that was confirmed by several high-ranking US IC officials.
magicmurph ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:17:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same high ranking US IC officials that said Russians hacked the DNC and stole the emails? Because we know thats a lie.
Basically, if high ranking US IC officials say something, it's a lie.
RainDancingChief ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:18:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Ruskies quickly replied with "Nu Uh".
KA1N3R ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naturally.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:33:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hot dogs, walnut sauce, and pizza?
AskMeIfImAReptiloid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did they contain?
Avachiel ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:42:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazier conspiracy for you -
Clinton is a bad person.
KA1N3R ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 02:10:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Trump is worse.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:45:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why?
KA1N3R ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:03:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He can't bring himself to condemn actual Nazis.
Nuff said.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:09:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
. "President Trump condemns KKK, neo-Nazis and white supremacists as 'criminals and thugs'" from his early morning press conference on monday
Well he did......and he called them a bunch of other stuff too.
dont get your news from reddit, you get only the stuff the want you to see.
Avachiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people that fall for this clickbait manure are the same that buy magazines in the checkout aisles.
It's easy to call Trump an orange Nazi and be done with it. It's difficult to analyze the political nuances of the situation.
AskMeIfImAReptiloid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's nice he finally condemnedthem, but he sure took his time to say that. On the first day, he was asked by journalists to condemn them and he just ignored them. And then this 'both sides' bullshit.
Avachiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:56 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me, it has never been more obvious that the personality of a president has no effects on the actual turnings of the world. Put a monkey in the office, things go the same way, what do you learn? The office is unimportant and exists as a distraction, or at the very most, a scapegoat.
Just a thought.
kihadat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6tx8h7/megathread_president_trump_delivers_remarks_on/?sort=top
__Noodles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does it feel to know when "fakenews" is talked about, that you are the type of person that falls for it?
KA1N3R ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WikiLeaks is Run by or coordinates heavily with Russian Intelligence and that was confirmed by several high-ranking US IC officials.
Chokingzombie ยท 209 points ยท Posted at 17:27:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something is up with 9/11. I've watched countless videos and documentaries and read tons of papers and articles (yes this includes reddit posts, those are opinions too.) and I feel like something isn't right.
I don't want to get into a debate because I don't feel like bantering on reddit today, but there are a lot of inconsistencies and "factual" evidence that doesn't make sense to professionals.
Also JFK. Dude wanted to take down the CIA. Dude ends up dead. Hmm.
LD_in_MT ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 20:12:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what the truth is, but I don't believe we've been told, "The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."
dolbyscott ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 20:15:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything about 911 isn't right.
buttertost ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 23:12:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those damn emergency services
dolbyscott ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:15:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stand corrected, those poor people didn't deserve what happened to them.
buttertost ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:22:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit no I didn't mean that, I was joking because it just looked like the emergency services number
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:13:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That shit was just plane wrong
AuntyMeme ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:17:44 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. He fired CIA Director Allen Dulles for going behind his back and against his orders on the Cuban Bay of Pigs incident. So bizarre they would have appointed Dulles to chair the Warren Commission investigatiotn.
Pylons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:30:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dulles wasn't the chair of the Warren Commission. He was on it, but he wasn't the chair.
AuntyMeme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for correction!
ver1tatem ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:28:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite videos on this was James Corbett's five minute video on the facts, as presented by the government/media. Funny, sad, and scary all at the same time. https://youtu.be/hgrunnLcG9Q
pinkman54d ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:39:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's the guy he circles saying you shouldn't listen to what he says?
ver1tatem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that's Barry Jennings. In 2001 he was the Deputy Director of the Emergency Services Department for the New York City Housing Authority.
CliftonForce ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 21:57:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a professional (mechanical engineer), and it makes sense to me. And yes, I designed some of the structures involved.
longhairedcountryboy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:42:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you explain the third building that collapsed?
Obligatory-Username ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:21:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From /u/SirJeffKittenson above
I think you might be interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI
funkymunniez ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:23:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fires burned uncontrolled for over 8 hours in a building with structural damage exposing support systems, no active sprinklers due to pressure loss, and a fire rating that is based on lab conditions for 2 to 3 hours, tops. It standing for as long as it did is a testament to its engineering
CliftonForce ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:25:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given the amount of damage it took from the debris that fell on it, and the fires that started, I'm frankly surprised it held up as long as it did.
And I'll agree with the /u/SirJeffKittenson video; it explains things quite well without my having to break Reddit policy by identifying myself.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:42:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DukeOfIndiana ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:06:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I have some gold?
Valridagan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:10:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large buildings like that have dozens if not hundreds of structures involved in their stability and preservation. These structures are designed by teams that themselves have up to dozens or hundreds of people involved. "I helped design some of the structures involved" is an incredibly broad statement.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
awesome, which?
alves_42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:08:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The planes.
ncreavid ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:48:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now theories like "Bush did 9/11" were turned into a meme. Either by coincidence or also planned by officials.
Now it's a joke and no conspiracy about it will ever be taken seriously. And even if it was created coincidentally - turning important matters into jokes and just laughing about it, instead of thinking about it, is stupid in general.
-500- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Bush did it, I think he probably was informed that it was going to happen and didn't take the threat seriously.
Clint_Lucker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:42:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Pentagon is the key for my suspicion
funkymunniez ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:20:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing up with 9/11 is that there's a real possibility that public officials were scrambling to cover their ass and not be blamed.
xyroclast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frustrating thing about 9/11 these days is, anyone calling any detail into question is lumped into the same category as "Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams and also I believe in lizard people and the Earth is flat" folks.
jimmyjtc3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:19:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Building 7 is the key for me
Obligatory-Username ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:23:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From /u/SirJeffKittenson above I think you might be interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI
Nash-Ketchum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching a movie in 9/11 and they slow mo the building at time of impact and you can see multiple explosions on each floor, away from the initial impact
Obligatory-Username ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:27:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't explosions. It was the sudden change in air pressure from the plane running into the building at hundreds of miles per hour. The air pressure inside the building blew the windows out. This is also seen during collapse when the air pressure inside the building goes up for the lower floors, blowing the windows outward.
JediGuyB ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:33:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think people forget that air is a physical thing. If its moved it has to go somewhere.
11-22-1963 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:04:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because the "air pressure" was also visible from corners and sections with no windows, was uneven, and proceeded far ahead of the collapse front if it were truly a progressive collapse.
Obligatory-Username ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:18:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From Shaym Sunder, lead investigator for the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the government body tasked with investigating the Twin Towers' collapse: Well, as I've said, the buildings themselves are really 70 percent or more air. That's where all the tenants work. That's where you have the stairwell enclosures and the space within them. And essentially what happens as the building starts to crumble is that these large voids are suddenly closing, so all that air is being forced out. At the same time, the concrete floor and the gypsum wall partitions which are all grey in color are all being pulverizedโas is the furniture and the contents of the buildingโand this pulverized powder, combined with the air is really thrown out of the building because there's no place for this air to go and you see puffs of smoke which are grayish in color that are ejected pretty much like pistons out on the side as the building comes down. Now, we did see lots of puffs of smoke, and that's not at all very surprising.
11-22-1963 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:17:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repeating someone whose job it is to spout disinformation won't help your point
-500- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even fluid dynamics, bro?
Jesus man, out of all the things to be skeptical about from that day, you pick the one that can be explained with Freshman year science class knowledge?
hockeychick44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:38:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL fluid dynamics is as simple as freshman science
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hockeychick44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point was that fluid dynamics is a very challenging subject. I'm aware that air is a fluid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bulboustadpole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lolololol you're done.
RareUnicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the whole thing was an act.. I mean, Steve Buscemi was there, anyone else think that's kinda fishy?
Anyone?
515 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:06:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch a video if WTC 7 coming down, and there is no way you can deny there were explosives in the buildings. Plus so so many other things don't line up.
Obligatory-Username ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:28:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch this video. It shows the whole collapse and explains the mechanics behind it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI
james_strange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, i am sure this is a stupid question, but how would a fire spread in a steelstructure like that. I get that there are things like desks, furniture, etc thqt can catch fire, but it seems like there is not enough fule to keep the fire ablaze and spread.
Obligatory-Username ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it does seem like a long time, but I feel like you're underestimating the fuel load in a high rise like this. First of all the fire did not start on every floor simultaneously, it started on lower floors from burning debris from the collapse of the twin towers. The fire started low and then progressed through the 47 stories, and there is a lot to burn, sure there are the obvious desks and furniture, but there are also the walls, carpet, ceiling, doors, insulation, and then on top of that there are copiers and phones and computers. Not to mention the incredible amount of paper. Think about how long it would take to burn a skein of paper and then imagine how many skeins would be in a 47 story building, and that's just the paper.
My question would be if seven hours seems too long, what would sound like a more reasonable time for a 47 story building to burn unctrolled before extinguishing itself, keep in mind the collapsed towers burned for over three months.
bookofthoth_za ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real conspiracy here is why this comment isn't at the very top! A country was destroyed by the USA with no valid casus belli (thanks CK2!).
Jason-Genova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. Public finds out a trillion dollars just up and vanished like a fart in the wind. Shortly after 9/11 happens. One of the planes hits the exact area in the Pentagon where evidence is being stored. Plane wreckage is nonexistant. The Jesse Ventura interview about 9/11 is really interesting.
tugboat424 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:53:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDrgVnsYFig
Here is a new video from my favorite 9/11 truther. All of his videos are well thought out. No stupid CG plane theories. Just straight physics and architecture.
Lordidude ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:21:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that video's coherent then I understand why you believe in such a stupid theory.
tugboat424 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 23:50:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What theory is that? And what is wrong with the video?
Obligatory-Username ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a big difference in fires on the exterior of the building such as dubai and fires that are burning through the inner structure and structural components of the building
Lordidude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And having a fucking airplane crash into the skyscraper at 4x the velocity and 16x the energy the building was meant to withstand.
-500- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god dude...please get an education. Even the most simple knowledge of physics pokes holes in half of this shit.
tugboat424 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:05:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00
Here is one of his better videos. You can watch it and try to come back with a rebuttal.
edit: and no rebuttal. Figures.
TastyFace ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:46:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Want a fun one? Look for the video that shows a cloud appear at the base of one of the towers before it starts collapsing.
IrrelevantLeprechaun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:21:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's been plenty of evidence refuting stupid zeitgeist conspiracy videos, and claiming you don't want to get into bantering about it is just a flimsy way to avoid people showing up with proof.
tirelessdinosaur ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:38:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:27:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The JFK assassination was a botch. Oswald was supposed to do the job but failed to hit him in a vital spot. Secret Service in the vehicle behind him was using an AR-15 and was not properly trained and accidentally shot JFK. Oswald was assassinated before his trial because if he were to testify in his own defense he would have said that he only fired two shots. The third shot came from the AR-15, either purposely aimed, or the Secret Service was inept, or got the luckiest hip shot ever.
See the Documentary "The Smoking Gun".
Phediuk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:48:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Nazis burned the Reichstag.
steampunker13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:38:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of think this, but up until that point Hitler had done everything pretty much legally and by the book. It seems almost foolish to pull a stunt like that. If it came out that you orchestrated it then everyone hates you.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:09:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Who would blame me? Up until now, I've done everything by the books!"
KA1N3R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a fact...
CourtneyDidIt1994 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:34:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check my username. Need I say more?
Angie-P ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:26:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
Bizarro_Steve_Rogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang you just made this account so you could post this comment for karma.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anooblol ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 21:57:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who hate the "left" or "right" pose as people on the other side, and commit crimes. Making the other side look bad by doing crime in "their name".
Like that Bernie supporter that shot people in a (baseball game?). And the apparent Trump supporters assaulting people.
No way. They've got to be double agents.
Edit - Classic, "I don't like this conspiracy theory on a thread about conspiracy theories." smh, I accept the downvotes.
Edit 2 - Reddit redeemed itself today. Faith is restored, have a great day Reddit :).
daKEEBLERelf ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:50:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did over hear a conversation by someone about how they are registered for the other party. That way they can vote for the worst candidate in hopes of influencing the election.
anooblol ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:58:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's so sick, but I'm not even close to surprised it goes on.
simcowking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought about that when I was registering to vote. Then I realized I never like the party I was thinking I aligned with me, so better support my side rather than drag the other side down.
threesifyouplease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...I did this, but I live in possibly the reddest state in the US. And until very, very recently, independents weren't allowed to vote in either primary so aligning myself as such (what I really would consider myself) would have been a literal wasted vote.
Starkville ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That stuff absolutely happens. There are so many verified instances, with people motivated by political or religious views.
XIII_THIRTEEN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact! Hard evidence for that one from the clinton campaign!
Rept4r7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:08:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bebe's transfer to Manchester United was a payoff to former United and then Portugal coach Carlos Queiroz for interfering with Nani's drug test while playing for Portugal.
Queiroz found out Nani (a Manchester United player at the time) was to be tested and sent him home. He was found guilty of interfering, was given a lengthy suspension, and fired as Portugal's coach.
Queiroz then recommends Bebe to United. Bebe had just gone from some small broke club to a Portuguese Primeira Liga club. He played six friendlies and had a buyout of 9 million euros. Sir Alex Ferguson buys Bebe having never seen him for 7.4 million pounds. A big finder's fee goes to Queiroz and there may have been additional payments through Jorge Mendes, who brokered the Bebe deal and also represented Querioz.
Queiroz knew Nani would fail that test. He basically took the fall for him and United paid him for it.
foofoononishoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will prob get buried, but there's actually a very convincing argument to be made that Willy Wonka is a cannibalistic serial killer who lured the kids so he could eat them. Some points?
Ompa Loompas always have a song rehearsed.
All the vehicles in the movies have just the right amount of seats left for the remaining kids.
His reaction when Augustus (a kid whose mother previously stated could not swim) falls into the chocolate river.
Willy Wonka's solution to Mike Teevees shrinking
There's tons more throughout the internet, just a quick search will find some evidence. And dont even get me started on Grandpa Joe.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:33:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The British withdrawal from the European Union is intended to allow the Conservative party to strip away regulations, saftey standards, national institutions(NHS) and taxation to allow for wealthy buisnessmen to establish a tax haven in which they can make huge profits whilst paying everyone else in peanuts.
Since Thatcherism many on the right have been supportive of Neo-Liberalism. Many politicans view the EU as a block in the advancement of Neo-Liberal(ironic as a lot of the far left view it as being the bastion of Neo-Liberalism) policies. Many politicans such as Nigel Farage who brought in the question of leaving the EU grew up under Thatcher and want to continue her legacy of creating a Neo-Liberal Britain like "how she wanted".
WackyWarrior ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:25:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that all the hate that millenials get is a pre-emptive attack to prevent and discredit the fact that the generation who came before us ruined the economy and put us in crippling debt. I call them the recessive generation.
spyro4now ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:25:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe chap stick actually causes your lips to become more chapped so you have to continually buy it.
peewinkle ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:42:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK conspiracy. No clue as to what actually happened but if you think Oswald pulled off three rounds, one a headshot, in under 8 seconds with a bolt-action single shot cheap Italian rifle, boy do I have a bridge to sell you
TooTallToFit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:39:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Carcano Model 91/38 has a 6 round integral magazine fed with en-bloc clips.
debunkernl ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:08:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arch, bowstring or side-spar cable-stayed?
altaproductions878 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:02:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not hard to find videos of people doing it and you could do it yourself, its really not that hard. Oswald was also a former marine trained in marksmanship. So you can keep your bridge and while your at do 30 seconds of research instead of just parroting what you read on some conspiracy forum.
MisterMarcus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether you agree with the conspiracies or not, Oswald himself was an ex-Marine. He wasn't just some random nutter fumbling with a gun.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ZAVHDOW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Storm drain theory?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was oswald, the police brought a Mauser out of the depository but never entered it into any records, and the police chief or someone like that said they would pick someone up soon no matter what just so hey could have someone in custody
caddy1984 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:02:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Diana was murdered, I have no doubt whatsoever. Why? Just do 30 minutes of research into the circumstances surrounding her death that night in Paris and you'll understand my angle.
Also, fuck the British Royal Family
missinlnk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:53:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I'm lazy. Sell me on it! Summarize why should I investigate.
caddy1984 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:13:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-The CCTV in the tunnel mysteriously fails moments prior to her 'accident'
-After the incident, the wreckage is removed and the tunnel is swept and reopened for public use within two hours. Oh, and the CCTV appears to start working again.
-The first medic on the scene said Diana was fully conscious and described her injuries as 'severe but not life threatening'
-The Royal Family ordered that an autopsy would not take place and that Diana's body was to be embalmed and prepped for the morgue immediately after she passed
-Months prior to all of this, Diana wrote a letter to her butler telling him that they are 'planning an accident in my car' to make way for Prince Charles to marry his mistress.
In England, such elaborate political assassination plots are usually carried out by MI5. Who was head of MI5 at the time? Prince Philip.
Very recently, a retired MI5 operative made a deathbed confession that he himself was part of a hit squad that assassinated Diana on the orders of Prince Philip. This has never been investigated, obviously
That's just the beginning, there's much more. Go get it!
mistgem ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They read too much tabloid nonsense
caddy1984 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:14:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. The tabloids would have us all believe that the Royal Family are decent, hard working people who would never commit such an evil act.
weiers08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're all a bunch of lizard people anyway.
ImYuriGagarin ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 16:15:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something shady happened on 9/11. The official report has more holes than Swiss cheese.
ankensam ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 20:49:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The holes are from planes hitting a building.
5pez__A ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
flimsy wings making cartoon cutouts in thick steel frames.. at the pentagon, not so much.
throwawayhrclinton ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:43:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say this. The "discovery" of Mohammed Atta's passport is what broke the cognitive dissonance for me (jet fuel melts steel, but paper miraculously survived, people could not be found, but a tiny bit of paper was).
superkp ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 20:11:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I've had bonfires to get rid of drawer's worth of old paperwork, old homework, etc. etc.
Every single time there's a few pieces that survive.
All those notes that I'm going to need next semester in order to pass a class? Gone.
That one note that my ex-girlfriend used to break up with me in a really awful way? slightly singed.
drawdeadonk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:46:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but out of all the damn paper in that building, and they find one of the terrorist (that was on the plane that basically vaporized on impact) passport on the ground, C'MON MAN!!!
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm not saying it's very plausible, by the skepticism has to go both ways.
I'm skeptical that the passport wasn't planted, and I'm skeptical that it was.
drawdeadonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough
throwawayhrclinton ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:16:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Atta and presumably his passport would have been on a plane that exploded and burned hot enough to take down a building that was designed to survive such a hit. First responders reported picking up hands and legs and that ground zero was burning for quite some time. There was tons of dust, ash and debris. Anyways, the passport isn't the only thing that raises questions about what happened, it just happened to be the thing that made me begin asking questions.
TheCanadianVending ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The buildings did survive a hit from a plane though, they stayed up for hours after the planes hit. They didn't survive the fires that weakened the structure though
the_simurgh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dear god they design buildings to take hit's from airplane's now? i thought they made them powerful enough to to collapse under the weight of themselves, age and the stuff and people inside but they are designed for scenario's no one saw coming now? ffffff science is magic.
throwawayhrclinton ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:35:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you are being sarcastic. However, planning for worst case scenarios is not new and is an ongoing process. Even minor mishaps or minor terror attacks can be quite disruptive: for instance a car crash shuts down an interstate, yet presumably there is another route, shooting off a gun for fun that manages to hit a major power line, etc. Yes, these things are considered and plans are drawn up. In fact, on the day in question, the US military was conducting exercises and it is rather interesting what exercise they were conducting.
Unlnvited ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:18:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes
tisdue ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:11:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, those buildings should not have fallen like that. And wtf is up with Building 7? That is a smoking gun that the media successfully buried.
SirJeffKittenson ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:25:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't mind me asking, why do you view building 7 as a "smoking gun"?
tisdue ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:29:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The building collapsed without reason. Almost like it was supposed to be hit by a plane, but the plane never made it. The building was likely pre-rigged to drop, and they still went through with the demolition and explained it away with BS later.
SirJeffKittenson ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:34:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the building was technically hit with the rubble of two different skyscrapers.
BarefootMystic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:40:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bldg 7 was hit with debris on only one side, it should have fallen over with parts of the building crumbled and parts still standing. Like the Oklahoma City bombing. Bldg 7 dropped at free fall speed straight down all sides, corners, equally at a straight vertical descent. It was a controlled demo without question, which itself takes a lot of planning, looking at building skematics, on-site measurements, wiring, it's tricky to get the timing and placement of demo explosives just right. Couldn't have happened in one day among the chaos of ground zero. I'm not a conspiracy theory enthusiast, not leaping to any conclusions on the who or why, but I've always been perplexed by Bldg 7 and the lack of awareness and discussion about it.
SirJeffKittenson ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:46:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you might be interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI
BarefootMystic ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:53:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was really good. I've actually never seen it explained like that and I can finally say there's an actual explanation that I can swallow. This video needs to be seen by more people.
SirJeffKittenson ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:56:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad I helped. I can't remember how I found the video, but the creator does a really good job at explaining things.
BarefootMystic ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:04:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Can't argue there. I mean, look at my first post. I've been disturbed by this for many years and never found any good explanation. So sincerely, thank you for that!
SirJeffKittenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your welcome!
Unlnvited ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:33:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then again Grenfell Tower burned for 24 hours and was still left standing.
This looks much worse than this. The Grenfell tower was also cleared structually sound to be in afterwards for investigation.
funkymunniez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No two fires are going to be the same. You really shouldn't equate the two events
Unlnvited ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. But WTC 7 has been the only steel framed skyscraper that has completely collapsed due to fire.
funkymunniez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtc 7 was also the point steel framed building that didn't have an operating sprinkler system, was abandoned by fire fighters, had another building fall on it comprising its load bearing ability and exposing is structural steel, used its support system, and had fire burning unchecked for 8 hours .
You're reaching for something that isn't there because it's something unusual to you. We've been predicting a building collapse like this since at least the 50s and knew it was just a matter of when, not if, one would collapse
vxicepickxv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I might need this.
PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That never made any sense to me, but I guess it could be the solution. I really wish we investigated again.
SirJeffKittenson ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:40:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with the 9/11 commission report, is it seems to me that they rushed writing it. I am not surprised that conspiracy theories were able to develop, it just wasn't in depth enough. The problem now, is that there isn't that much of a demand for a new investigation. For most people, either the official report is good enough, or they can do their own research.
rugtoad ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:53:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The commission report didn't go into things like "Why did WTC 7 collapse?" because it specifically was not in the scope of that agency.
The NIST report, however, did go into full detail and presented a perfectly rational and reasonable explanation for the collapse. Truthers don't want to believe it, though.
SirJeffKittenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have not yet read the NIST report in its entirety, but I believe that it is 100% accurate.
dolbyscott ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:13:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at pictures of the Pennsylvania crash, there is no debris, no paper, metal, humans, luggage, airplane or burning fuels. It's a bomb crater!
https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/shanksvillehole.jpg
rugtoad ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:08:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 12, me and a friend bought a water balloon launcher. We launched a lot of water balloons, trying to hit stop signs and what not...but at some point, we asked ourselves, "What else can we launch?" One of the first things we tried was a golf ball. It probably made it about 150 feet up, then came down into the soft ground in our yard and buried itself nearly 6 inches deep. It was pretty cool. Anyhow...
Flight 93 was flown nose-first, full-throttle into the ground. Impact velocity was over 500mph. It hit with a kinetic energy of nearly 10 times higher than that of a normal plane crash, with all of that energy focused in direct-impact fashion rather than a more typical "skid-out" crash where pilots are fighting to keep the aircraft afloat.
On top of that, it hit into relatively soft ground.
Simply put, this crash site is exactly what you'd expect to see from this type of crash. Like my golf ball, a good bit of that plane ended up buried underground. The force with which that aircraft hit the ground was on-par with close to a literal ton of TNT.
With that kind of force, most of the people on the plane would have been completely obliterated by the G-forces in the impact. We're talking hundreds of Gs, ripping every organ and tissue out of the body. Every bone would be shattered. This sort of trauma would look similar to the end-result of someone strapping a few sticks of dynamite to their chest and setting them off.
And while the human body is pretty fragile...these spectacular results still give you an idea of how what kind of destruction the aircraft itself saw. Much of it would be blasted into tiny shreds at best.
To me, the crash site is actually pretty damned convincing evidence of the actual story. Nobody shot 93 down, if they had done so we would have seen bodies littering the countryside and a crash scene that spanned for miles. It wasn't a missile or bomb, unless it was in the perfect shape and size of a Boeing 757.
Everything about the crash site supports the official story. Unless, of course, you have no idea what you're looking at and are just trying to come up with some sort of reason to believe in one of the most spectacularly absurd conspiracy theories ever dreamt up.
eunit250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they steal all of the CC videos minutes after the crash from the surrounding area and never release them? It seems like that would be a good way to get these people off of their back. Also wouldn't their be a mark of plane wings in the building at least? Surely they wouldn't just incinerate before hitting the building.
rugtoad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:46:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One stupid theory at a time, please.
dolbyscott ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:13:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wasted a lot of words being wrong
rugtoad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trutherism really is a religion, isn't it? Religion of retards I guess.
dolbyscott ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is if the definition of religion making masses of people ignore reality and believe in the ridiculous?
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other than the "masses" part, you've described your little idiot club perfectly. I'm sure more people would buy into it if traumatic brain injuries were more common.
dolbyscott ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me any mainstream religion that doesn't base most of it's teachings on unprovable stories, fantasy stories by definition.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You keep stating defining characteristics of religion that perfectly demonstrate why i think trutherism is religious.
dolbyscott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:27:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't agree more, normal people don't need to have support and join clubs to justify their reality.
SirJeffKittenson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:31:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was debris at the crash site. The reason why it isn't evident from the aerial photographs, is due to the high speed impact of the plane into the ground.
nitro_aphrodite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Malaysia flight MH17 crash in Ukraine http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-u-s-links-ukraine-rebels-to-plane-crash-1.2710774
2) Russian plane crash in Egypt http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-plane-crash-black-box-data-suggest-violent-sudden-demise-egypts-sinai-french-2173530
3) Plane crash in Libya https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2010/05/12/child_is_only_known_survivor_of_libya_plane_crash/libya_planecrash.jpeg.size.custom.crop.1086x721.jpg
4) United flight 93: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XamrfjhF8o
News reporter says:
dolbyscott ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to start your story with once upon a time.
SirJeffKittenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, your telling me that when a plane crashes in the the ground straight down at hundreds of miles per hour, that the debris is going to be easily visible?
dolbyscott ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap, I just realized what you're thinking and it's hilarious! Do you actually believe the plane and vanished into the ground with no trace on the surface other than turned over soil?
SirJeffKittenson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because they did actually find debris at the crash site. What I was trying to say, is that any semblance of the plane body, was immediately destroyed on impact.
dolbyscott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong
SirJeffKittenson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to elaborate?
dolbyscott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
look up, someone else already posted pictures of actual commercial airline crashes, there is a lot of debris. In the Pennsylvania missile hit there was no debris, 2 12 ton magnesium turbine impellers don't evaporate or turn to dust upon impact. Seriously, watch one of the many documentaries about 911, you will either understand why we are wrong or why you may be wrong. I was entirely skeptical until I watched Lose Change, it was idiotic to think it could be a conspiracy, or so I thought. I wanted to make fun of the tinfoil hat brigade but after about 45 minutes I knew it was an inside job, not because of what I was hearing but what I was seeing. I dare you to open your mind and check out "Lose Change".
SirJeffKittenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean debris like this: https://www.nps.gov/media/photo/gallery.htm?id=C7A45234-155D-451F-67A019C294E6A905
dolbyscott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I looked at your pictures, now you watch the movie Lose Change and see it from my perspective.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might wanna watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:53:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the conspiracy was real they wouldn't have pre-timed explosives. That's too easy to notice if the plane doesn't make it. There are too many factors to think about to get the plane there to sync with the timed explosive. Wind resistance. Fuel. The timing of the hijacking. And if these masterminds were smart they would've not dropped Building 7 at all because the attack had already done the damage intended. Building 7 was at most a controlled demo to keep more people from dying or to remove the burning building. The reality is, it was more than likely destroyed by some critical fires in the right places caused by debris.
tisdue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldnt have to be pre-timed at all. The twin towers were hit, and didn't come down for a while after. They could have let the planes hit, given it 10-15 minutes for a good amount of people to be evacuated, and then demo'd it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I misread, I thought you meant pre-timed, but you said pre-rigged.
tisdue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all good, dude.
-500- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you spent, like, 10 minutes google searching there is an easy explanation for this.
The towers collapsed less than 100 yards away, flaming debris entered the building. It burned uncontrollably for 7 hours, and the interior collapsed followed by the outer framing.
The steel expands when heated, which dislodges it from its joints and voila, it collapses.
eunit250 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes perfect sense. Many steel structures larger than these have been completely engulfed in flames for longer than 20 hours and didn't collapse. These were the first in history so I can understand the conspiracy.
-500- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but how many have had massive pieces of debris slam into them from a collapsing skyscraper right next to them.
funkymunniez ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:30:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing is up with building 7. Fire departments abandoned it around 10 am because it was empty and not worth going into. This left fire to burn uncontrolled for about 7 hours + the time during depth operations in the building. The sprinkler system didn't work because the days events caused a loss in water pressure and falling debris exposed structural components to fire. At its best, fire r resistance would have been rated for about 3 hours (based on lab conditions, not real world ones). The fact that the building stood for roughly 7 to 8 hours with fires is a testament to how well it was designed
eunit250 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:55:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought there was only fire on one of the top floors and it was inside the building. Also wasnt building 7 Tower 7, on fire for 8 hours which also housed the Secret Service, the CIA, the Department of Defence and the Office of Emergency Management and their files? Also these are the only steel structure buildings to ever collapse from a fire. Larger structures have been on fire completely and for longer and still didn't collapse. I think it's kind of strange at least and something to look into.
funkymunniez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other buildings that were on fire for a lot longer weren't hit with falling debris that exposed structural support systems and took chunks of structural support away that comprised the load bearing ability of the building. Other buildings that were on fire for a lot longer didn't have a malfunctioned sprinkler system that was inoperable due to lack of water pressure. Other buildings that were on for a lot longer don't have the same structural design as building 7 did.
Don't compare other fires to wtc 7. No fire will be the same. And no, there were fires in multiple floors throughout the building. You could just image search the building and get a shot early on with fires on two floors very low in the structure
And while these are the only buildings to collapse from fire, once again, we've been predicting this since the 1950s and have text books describing failure mechanisms. Further, it had been looked into, many times. We've already figured out why wtc 7 collapsed and it wasn't because of a demo
edit: grammar
5pez__A ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fires could not have resulted in free fall acceleration of the building for more than 2 seconds according to NIST - indicating negligible structural resistance.
how did all that building get out of the way of the collapse all at once in a progressive scenario you describe? of course it was demolition.
funkymunniez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First, that free fall speed stuff nonsense. That's a talking point of people who have no idea what they hell they're talking about. The building collapsed the way it did because heat exposure caused a key support column to slip out of its seating and compromised the entire system. The building essentially lost its support system in a matter of seconds due to compromise from fire and debris damage triggering a collapse from one side to the other and the impact load of collapsing floors completely overwhelmed the system to the point that what was left might as well have not even been there.
This is all consistent with what we've understood about building collapse and high rises since the 1950s. The are plenty of videos that explain the mechanics, even in this thread. Just go look for them.
There was nothing odd about the collapse.
eunit250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are the only steel structured buildings to ever collapse from fire. I think that is odd. I mean I believe the twin towers definitely had some sort of failsafe but many steel structures that are a lot larger then building 7 have been completely ablaze for almost five times as long as building 7 and it collapse from after only 8 hours. So kind of hard to understand learn from something that has never happened in the past. You have to admit that is pretty odd.
5pez__A ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:12 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're wrong. NIST themselves confirm free fall acceleration was measured. Something you or anyone can observe themselves from the video
How ironic you bring up talking points and then spout your own nonsense. Do you need me to help you google NIST's admission of free fall acceleration for over 2 seconds?
The claims you make are impossible. You are omitting key structural elements in your analysis. I can't wait to see how you fit free fall into your theory of progressive collapse. It's been a while..
funkymunniez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, it's not a talking point for people who don't know what they're talking about because NIST said it, it's a talking point for people who don't know what they're talking about because they don't understand physics or how the building was constructed.
NIST comments on it link
You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop.
5pez__A ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:14:07 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.nist.gov/pba/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation
'The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent timeโcompared to the 3.9 second free fall timeโwas due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. '
Besides, you or anyone can measure it, if so inclined. You're the one who doesn't know what they are talking about, and is spewing talking point falsehoods. This proves it.
funkymunniez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol, all right, so lets assume the building fell at free fall speed, what does that mean to you?
5pez__A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It means you owe me an apology. And that the building was demolished. There's no other rationalization for free fall.
funkymunniez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:46:51 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not an explanation. Either you can explain it, or you don't know what you're talking about.
5pez__A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we've already demonstrated to everyone reading that you are the one who didn't know what they were talking about.
funkymunniez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, and also, don't forget the sentence you cut off with your nonsense from NIST
5pez__A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:51 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how is scientific measurement of free fall that is confirmed by a government scientific agency nonsense?
it says free fall - negligent resistance from the structure. and gives a number of seconds they measured it for.
the part you highlight is not a measurement, it's speculation, and it is not backed up by ANY science. you're nearly a laugh.
funkymunniez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:15 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then explain it. You have the answers, right? Use math proofs and a credible analysis and explain 1) what free fall speed means in this context, 2)why its impossible for any such conditions to occur to cause a free fall during a collapse (be sure you test and rule out variable that arose due to the buildings structural design of parallel support columns), 3) how demolition does not defy laws of physics but somehow only a collapse can.
Then as a follow up, explain why you're willing to accept NIST time measurements, but then reject their analysis on the building failure in which they have a lengthy report that is consistent with explaining why it fell the way it did. You can't have it both ways. Either NIST is credible or they're not because the times you want to cite as some grand proof came out of their report they referred to in the link I posted.
Pikesmakker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know a fucking 1000-foot building exploded and landed on Tower 7 yeah?
MrShekelstein17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Israel benefited heavily from 9/11.
Too bad trump put a stop to the syrian war so they wont be able to take that land for themselves.
surSEXECEN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the Mossad was involved in some capacity.
znick12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:03:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 couldn't have been an inside job..... because the planes came from the outside....
I'll see myself out.
vxicepickxv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:10:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you're not wrong.
whiskeytab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George Bush Jr and George Bush Sr were each standing in one of the towers with a remote control flying the planes and crashed them in to the buildings.
Jr then teleported to the least suspicious place on earth... Kindergarten... and Sr teleported to... i dunno a golf course or something.
9/11 was an inside job
eaterofdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think most people, deep down, know that something was hinky. But many people cannot conceive of anyone being evil enough to kill thousands of their fellow countrymen for money and power.
chaitin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:29:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I legitimately think it makes sense that the apparent terrorist attack was a terrorist attack. I think most people agree.
The counters to this mostly consist of poking holes in the widely accepted sequence of events (building 7, talking about how debris looks, etc). Very few are at all convincing, as many deal with laymen's explanations of what should "obviously" happen under extreme conditions. The less obvious questions are generally explainable if you do a bit of research (like why building 7 fell so fast).
None of the proposed conspiracies make more sense than a bunch of terrorists planning to fly four planes into buildings themselves.
Xlukethemanx ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:01:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The primary election was 100% rigged against Bernie Sanders.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:04:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RamsesThePigeon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:10:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally every one of those screenshots shows me posting the theory in question.
I'm not sure how that supports your argument that I use throwaways or ask other Redditors to offer it. It has been stolen from time to time โ usually by spam accounts โ but I only ever offer my own work under my own name.
DontJealousMe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I mean to throwaway/alternative account to post this askreddit thread.
RamsesThePigeon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:19:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I bother? The question gets asked every other week anyway.
Besides, I didn't offer the theory in question this time; I just offered a link to the thread from two weeks ago.
TheDodoBird ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:38:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, sounds just like something a pigeon would say ;)
Tacothechihuahua ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Clinton is a rapist.
Goofy117 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:25:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is known.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Goofy117 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:39:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol what the hell? Why did you automatically assume I was a Trumpet?
Bill, Trump, Biden, theyโre all fucking scum.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:37 on November 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he fucking raped people.
Mothra67 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CNN IS ISIS
ChilieMacPalmer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CNN is CNN.
SexySteamGeek ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:03:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Mandela Effect. The universe I grew up in had the Bernstein Bears and chartruce was a red wine color. I and lots of other people have slipped into a parallel dimension.
floatingforth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:45:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg, I feel you about chartreuse. It has never made sense to me that it is a weird green, it feels like a dark red, garnet shade.
100mphvomit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The color was named after a spirit distilled by French monks called chartreuse
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:00:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another one just to add to the repertoire, does Kit. Kat. The candy bar have a blank space or a hyphen in between the two words? I'm leaving it ambiguous so you can look it up and report whether I'm crazy or it's another example of the Mandela effect.
SexySteamGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a mild feeling that there should be a dash. But idk.
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:21 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
everyone I've ever asked has answered that it should have that dash.
Anndgrim ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:02:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because your brain can't possibly be fallible.
"stein" is just a common way names end.
Chartreuse is a liquor, not a wine. A 412 years old liquor.
SexySteamGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this reality chartreuse is a liqueur. In my home reality, it was a wine. If I am meerly misremembering things, why do other people misremember things in the exact same way?
Conspiracy, that's why.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:08 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because misremembering is not a random process. Memories are plastic and easily influenced by external information.
If someone says they remember something "this way" your memories are then likely to modify themselves to fit the description that has been given to you. It also works with self-suggestion. If you tell yourself that that's how you remember then it's how you'll remember it. Factors in your confirmation bias that makes you want to validate your already held view point and if you keep looking for it you'll keep "finding" things that seem different because you will upon stumbling on them, brainwash yourself into thinking they were different in the past.
There is a lot of peer reviewed research on that, read up on it.
And as far as Occam's razor is concerned it requires a lot less far fetched astrophysics conjectures.
SexySteamGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:49 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why when you are looking for cases of Mandela effect, you don't say "Didn't Nelson Mandela die in the '80s?" You say "Do you know when Nelson Mandela died?" Just like the Kit Kat guy from the other comment.
Sure false memories are a thing sometimes, but "Collective False Memories" are different.
As far as occum's razor goes, "the theory with the most assumptions is correct," I am assuming only that alternate dimensions exist and people, including me can and do slip between them without being aware of it. You are making assumptions about the situations under which each person experiencing Mandela effect first heard about the situation they are having "false memories" of and how their brain handled it.
Imagine, if you will, a bunch of "two dimensional" beings. They live on what we experience as a table. They aren't truly two dimensional, they are made of paper, and therefore have a minor thickness to them, but since they can't move on their own in that dimension, they don't really notice it. It would be very easy for a natural force, like the wind to blow them to another table, or a 3 dimensional being like us to pick one up and move it to another table. We could be similarly limited.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:11 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they're not man. Sorry to break it to you man but literally tens of millions of people are exposed to the same kind outside influence through rumours, mass media, pop culture even before they land on your sub.
Want me to solve the great incomprehensible Berenstain mistery? Here goes. Berenstain, Einstein => Berenstein. Wow man! What wizardry is this.
How about Queen ? Champions ... of the world.
Why do you remember the hyphen in Coca-Cola being lower? Because that's where you fucking expect it to be, because that's usually where hyphens are.
Magic Mirror - Mirror Mirror. It's magic mirror in the animation movie. It's Mirror mirror in the book.
That's not how Occam's razor work man. It's not about whether you can phrase it in 1 or 12 lines. It's about what is the most banal and requires the least amount of rare or extraordinary things to happen.
IE :
SexySteamGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm done arguing with someone who assumes a persom who calls themselves "SexySteamGeek" is a man.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:21 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:\
Hitting the panic button?
Besides your assumption being that I paid any attention to your username, why exactly should I assume the opposite?
SexySteamGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:44 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've obviously decided you know how the world works and aren't going to pay attention to other people's experiences and user names. You are never going to change your mind about how the world works. There's no point in me arguing with you while you have your head buried in the sand.
I ain't panicked by you, kid, just bored.
Anndgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:16 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am fully capable of changing my mind. I just prefer to do it based on well documented facts and studies rather than on the incoherent rambling of delusional strangers on the internet.
Chances are you too think that the internet is full of people who say non-sensical things and demand that other's take it on faith.
What you don't seem to realise is that what you're saying fits into the exact same category. Excuse-me while I put your brand of absurdity in the same box as people who adamantly claim to be the reincarnation of an ice dragon.
SexySteamGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:50 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are right. I do think the internet is full of people who say non-nonsensical things. The difference is that when people claim to be the reincarnation of an ice dragon, I don't wander in and comment about how their brain works, order them around, and misgender them.
You don't want to be swayed by the things I say because I don't have peer reviewed scientific work in this field? Fine. Too busy to read usernames? Fine. Just stop trying to tell me how I experience the world. Unless you want to pay for my time. I accept Amazon gift card.
Aperture45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty I swear that "Vimto" was always "Vinto" instead. But only I can remember that it was called Vinto. Think about it dammit Vinto rolls off the tongue so much easier why on earth would it be called Vimto????
thedrunkdingo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:47:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always known it as Vimto and I always remembered it as an anagram of Vomit.
Aperture45 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:51:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A native of the parallel universe I see
SexySteamGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, Never heard of either. But I get you.
silly_vasily ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 00:24:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That dude who worked on Hilary Clinton's campaign and leaked shit and then mysteriously died in a mugging. I believe it was a hit
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:52:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The clintons probably have miles of skeletons. Not to mention the Clinton foundation is corrupt as fuck.
Probably just says handle it and then they get to work.
Ian1732 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:42:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are there so many famous people who die when they turn 27? Because there's some sort of organization that approaches celebrities at that stage of their and asks them if they want out of the business, and offers them the opportunity to leave stardom behind and live a life of normalcy. If they take the offer, their death is faked, and they're given a new name, maybe some plastic surgery, and shipped off to where nobody will ever recognize them.
Or maybe it's confirmation bias. Who knows?
queensage77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they refuse to join and are killed
pouch28 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:40:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United Airlines staged that dude getting dragged and beaten off a plane so they could unveil their shittier economy basic level of service without anyone really paying attention.
HellaTrill420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:09 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be like faking a murder and fucking confessing in court.
awitcheskid ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:14:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nicole Brown Simpson faked her death and became Megan Kelly.
legoman2k17 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 20:08:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC leak was an inside job (Seth Rich). And he was murdered as a result, and the murder was covered up and blamed falsely on a robbery (even though nothing was taken from his dead body..still had his wallet and watch on him).
SwallowTheTruth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:09:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be interesting if the DNC hack is tied to the RNC hacks and it's the Russians. They dropped damning info on Hillary but left Trump virtually untouched. When the RNC isn't on par with serving interests of an evil government like Russia's, then we will see all this damning information on Republicans.
KA1N3R ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's far more likely that Seth Rich actually did leak the E-Mails, but the Kremlin had him murdered to tie up loose ends. Evidence would be that WikiLeaks is basically a russian Intelligence operation.
Would absolutely fit Russia's modus operandi.
__Noodles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:41:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That literally makes NO SENSE. If "teh Russians" were behind the scenes, they would want an American fall guy.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:37:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you idiot, Guccifer 2.0 and Fancybear were responsible for that DNC information which Wikileaks then posted shortly before the election. The intelligence agencies (CIA amongst them), which is a neutral agency confirmed it and debunked any of those b.s. theories about murder.
Go put on your tinfoil hat elsewhere
dudehat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:20:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resorting to name calling sheds light on your lack of argument. In a debate the first person to throw a punch loses. Work on your argument.
DOSETHEDEA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you believe anything the cia says to the media, or any other intelligence agency from any country for that matter, you're a moron.I genuinely don't want to be a dick but I can't word that any other way.
Anonymonynonymous ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:27:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, trump has unlimited powers to declassify this shit, he just won't.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:40:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Marilyn Monroe's death was a suicide. There's this big theory that she was killed by the government because she knew too much being with JFK. They found broken ribs when they found her dead body and the last person she saw that night was JFK's brother. I watched this documentary on it, I would recommend it. It's on YouTube.
jacxy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bin Laden died at Tora Bora, everything else until his 'death' at the hands of ST6 was political theater.
Orphins ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:04:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody pees in the shower
all2neat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:39:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think manbearpig is real damnit!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is being monitored by the Illuminati and other groups so they can spread misinformation to "disprove" all the theories mentioned here.
Their controls and secrets can't be maintained if people know the truth, so they will either "prove" the theory false, or help keep it just a theory.
I've probably said to much...
HellaTrill420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:59:28 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This.
It's why I haven't upvoted many if any of these comments because I just KNOW i'll be put on a damn list.
not_trevor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:29:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steven King killed John Lennon.
L1chK1ng ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:45:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will never convince me that the 2002 NBA Western Conference Finals were not rigged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjRcTiwVEwo
The Kings were cruising against the Lakers going into the fourth quarter, up 3-2 in the series, when suddenly the whistles came out. Every time a King touched a Laker they were shooting two. They fouled out Vlade Divac and Scott Pollard. I remember Shaq decapitating a guy and not getting called. The Lakers kept drawing charges with their feet moving. Hell, the announcers calling the game couldn't believe it.
When crooked ref Tim Donaghy was busted, he specifically mentioned that the 2002 Western Conference finals were rigged to A. Make the only exciting series in the playoffs go one more game and B. Put the Lakers in the finals, because the finals would have otherwise been the Sacramento Kings and the New Jersey Nets. The East was a joke, either Sacramento or LA would have stomped the Nets, but more people would watch if it was the Lakers.
YourAmishNeighbor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:47:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some messages on Tinder are never delivered or recieved so you like more people to chat to someone else.
Gunch_Bandit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:55:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CIA killed Kennedy.
The-Jolly-Dick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listen people I've said this time and time again, and I don't care if this gets buried. The truth must get out.
THE OLSEN TWINS ARE A LIE. THERE IS ONLY ONE OF THEM. ITS A SPEED MIRAGE. WAKE UP.
changerfett ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK, Malcolm X, and Martin Luther King Jr. What did they have in common? They were all talking about civil rights. And they were all assassinated. Coincidence? I think not.
Dynas_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:06:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the government is still concealing information about 9/11. For example, Saudi Arabia's involvement that came out recently.
Princess Diana's death was deliberate.
JFK was killed off by the government.
There's secret research being done in Antarctica of who knows what.
FrismFrasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think the Antarctica thing?
Dynas_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couple of things. Several prominent people visited there not too long ago like Buzz Aldrin and then Secretary of State John Kerry in 2016. Why?
There is research ongoing there and several strange things about Antarctica in general anyway like the 91 volcanos that were recently discovered or the giant gravity spot.
Lastly, Antarctica isn't necessarily owned by one country. 26+ countries lay claim to it and there's a 300m perimeter that is maintained by the military around the continent so you can't just go there on your own.
Nazi's landed there also supposedly.
Aiox123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some suspicious stuff on Google maps, areas blurred.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A jackton of stuff is blurred on Google maps. My local police station is blurred. They requested Google blur it so potential threats couldn't use the satallite images to plan an attack, and Google complied. And I can personally attest that there are no UFOs, aliens, bigfoots (bigfeet?), reptillians or nibirus in my local police station.
Being blurred on Google maps isn't suspcicious.
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but this is Antarctica, wtf would be worth blurring there.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:31 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, clearly, the Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster *rolleyes*
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:24 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must be a great responsibility, knowing everything.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? It's less burdensome than you might think. The really annoying thing, though, is when guileless jackasses on the internet get their jock straps in a bunch because my nonbelief threatens their commitment to their own beliefs. As if I'm responsible for other people's intellectual insecurities.
Thankfully, my vast intellect does provide some comfort.
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha, well you read a lot in to my comments, or you just want to troll a bit. Me, I like to keep an open mind on all things. This is not worth anymore of my time. Adios.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:09 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like exactly the sort of thing a bigfoot would say.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going through my post history? Staaaalker.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough, no, coincidence, though I can see why you'd think so.Well you're a bigfoot. Naturally I was curious.Aiox123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some suspicious stuff on Google maps, areas blurred.
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:52 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 - yes they are. the people would have long revolted if they knew the truth of what our government really does and has done in the name of politics. and the common good.
2- doubtful. it was a tragic accident that never needed to occur.
3-governnent? dunno, that was a very polarized time in the US. the commies were all over the place. missle gaps, public military failures.
as far as 'the government' doing it, doubt it, a small faction inside , very possible. but i do believe there was more than one shooter.
4- lots of secret research , and huge amounts of public research in the Antarctic.
however, its not what you are thinking. no nazis no ufos.
FruitLoop0495 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:48:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Hollywood is run by a ring of incredibly rich pedophiles. I was reading an article that said Justin Bieber cancelled his world tour because the ones who run Hollywood wanted him to abuse a young boy on video and he refused. Apparently in order to be projected as an icon in the industry, these people make you abuse a young child and get it on video so they own you while you make them even richer. Heath Ledger and Chester Bennington's apparent 'suicides' are speculated to have happened because they either had evidence to prove these pedophiles run Hollywood or they weren't afraid of speaking out against them and they were examples to the rest of the industry to not even think about speaking out or else the same will happen to you.
robotleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:09 on August 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
same with prodigy and chris cornell?
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:41 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could always become a famous actor and find out for yourself.
But seriously, in this age of smart phones, do you honestly believe no footage would have leaked by now?
TimbraFruit ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:25:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paul Wellstone's death was an inside job.
Arnold_Mal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's obvious
Kusibu ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 20:01:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Binks is a Sith lord directly and intentionally responsible for the Republic becoming the Empire.
MiniNuka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any evidence to back that up?
ferkile ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:33:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please do yourself a favor and push that boulder off from above you and look at Reddit's top posts of all time
MiniNuka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have, not much there about Jar Jar being an evil mastermind. Specific subreddit maybe?
novinicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:57 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's on the top of /r/StarWars .
Right here
Kusibu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has "unintentional" combat prowess far beyond the capabilities of a fool. When attempting to convince someone to meet his requests, he very often moves his hands in a method evocative of the Jedi mind trick wave. And this silly guy, this buffoon, is in Palpatine's core contingent. On the surface, he appears to "stumble" into victories and positions, but that stagger is devastatingly calculated.
MiniNuka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that is certainly alarming
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MiniNuka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah thank you, much appreciated kind sir
Northumberlo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still want this to be true
boogiemanspud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they had made Jar Jar less fucking annoying. I would have loved to see his story unfold before they killed the character off.
There is some fan edit (maybe despecialized?) out there where Jar Jar speaks in an alien language with subtitles, it's really amazing how much better the movie is with just that fix.
fakesocialiser ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:43:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the current political climate, where everyone is developing extreme views, is being consciously created by powerful players behind the scenes.
It makes sense, and has happened before in history. What we are seeing is textbook 'divide and rule' strategies playing before our eyes over the last few years.
Liberalism, multiculturalism, feminism all have one thing in common - they flood the workforce with labour. This lowers wages. Then monetary policies push up asset prices so people have to work their whole lives to pay for their homes. People could vote against these policies if they were united. But no, then the media outlets take on increasingly extreme editorialised rhetoric which serves to divide people, drive wedges within families and old friends, and create smaller groups of people who are each less powerful than the anonymous players behind the scenes.
The end result is radical income inequality. Everyone is a slave in all but name. Fickle, easily controlled, and easily convinced to follow the plans of the elite.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:46:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be interested in "The Fourth Turning" by Strauss and Howe.
fakesocialiser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's really interesting. Thanks!
if_I_must_I_must ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent book.
falconrider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate is the opiate of the masses.
saibot83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think they're trying to get us to microchip ourselves and do away with cash. Fuckery is absolutely afoot.
bookofthoth_za ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where can I follow your blog?
Teenage_Handmodel ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:36:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That this question gets asked at least once a day by the same person, but under different Reddit usernames.
treqwe123 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:40:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who farm and sell reddit account like to periodically repost threads that worked well on r/askreddit. Apparently it's an effective strategy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strategy for what? Is there some way to monetize karma?
treqwe123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, there's a marketplace for reddit accounts that have age and karma. They have value because some subs require a certain level of karma to submit frequently, and it lends credibility to the kind of people that like to dig into an account's history to see if they're spamming. Marketers use them to push products and political ideologies. There were a couple of youtube videos titled something similar to "how I bought my way to the reddit front page" that went viral right here on reddit awhile back detailing the process.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea.
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh, it's def u/ramesesthepidgeon
woodyfly2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:50:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
illuminati
stupidname91919 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:03:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few I believe in.
-The German government paid for the armored rail car that took Lenin from Switzerland to Russia in order to start the Bolshevik Revolution.
-Pop singers are products of genetic breeding programs. My theory is that some record label already has tons of songs prewritten, but needs a meat puppet they own to perform them. So they buy the sperm, buy the eggs for the ideal-looking candidate, and rope in a poor, stupid couple into raising the child for 10 years to take care of them, take them to singing lessons, but intentionally not teach them any life-skills so the recording studio can own them for their lives.
-There are 2 industrial presses capable of the offset-printing necessary for printing $100 bills, and one went missing. The CIA is rumored to have one of them, and the CIA insists that North Korea is the one that has it.
-All stories about North Korea are actually intentional disinfo to make them think their government kept a famine a secret to them. All of them are fake. Read up on Operation Mockingbird.
-The issue of "specific localized knowledge" that Adam Smith theorized in his Wealth of Nations has actually been solved by sufficiently complex algorithms, but banks want to keep the general public from knowing this.
-The technological tree has already been mapped out by game theorists, and technology experts, and "pop" technology companies are only buying existing patents and technologies and fronting them to the general public.
-Another North Korea theory: The U.S. navy shoots down their missiles and tells the media that they fell into the Sea of Japan to humiliate them.
-Human migration never stopped, and is ongoing. World governments collude the general public from knowing about this, because they are wrestling with the problems in wrangling millions of moving people. It would otherwise undermine the invisible lines in between countries.
-The State Department has more sophisticated tools for influencing public opinion than the silly smaller experiments that were performed for MKULTRA. Theirs have more to do with the work of Edward Bernays.
-Khomeni was supported by foreign agents in his time in Paris, which is why Iran is now so suspicious of foreign agents.
-The world forex markets are actually rigged, and the credit that relies on them is fake.
-The UK government is intentionally throwing the Brexit negotiations. They want to hyperinflate the pound.
-News stories are staged, and often written ahead of time. The only spark of evidence I have of this is that only 2 days in 50 years have not had a single professional sports game played. One was a meaningless day in the early 00's, and the other was the day of Nixons resignation.
-The F-35 fighter jet was made ahead of schedule, and under budget. The news programs that complain about runaway costs are to distract foreign governments from the next-generation technologies that are being developed with the diverted funds.
-Pakistan is not an actual country. Thats why Afghanistan refuses to recognize the Durand Line, and why India is so hostile to a fake government that controls their land. There is no Farsi word for Pakistan, and the Persians named all the nations they conquered. There is a word for Arabia-Arabistan, and India-Hindustan. There is no word for Pakistan because it never existed independently before. It is a British creation.
-GreenPeace is funded by the coal industry to spread misinformation about nuclear power.
-The DSM is a tool of social control. Psychological drugs are being used to make the general public more compliant.
-There will be a "big reveal" in 1.5 years from now.
Thats what I can think of off the top of my head.
FearlessBurrito ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:10:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live like, 48 hours through your eyes.
stupidname91919 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope this is a compliment.
FearlessBurrito ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:05:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was. They all seemed fairly reasonable to me. Except maybe the popstar one, which I still appreciate because it would make for a great episode of Black Mirror or something. Also meant as a compliment: you should consider writing if you don't already.
stupidname91919 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks man. Wanna few more?
-The KGB never experimented with "remote viewing". They realized their memos were compromised, so they used that program to channel funds into better communication equipment, and to identify leaks.
-The people behind Wikileaks are intentionally exploiting the demographic divide between people who get their news primarily from the internet, and people who get it through traditional news media. They want younger, less wealthy people to distrust the government. Older, more employed people are more connected to the status quo.
I have dozens of these. I'm sure you do too.
Marthman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moar!
stupidname91919 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Soviet Union built the Caspian Sea Monster not for it to go over water, but for it to go over ice.
If it ever went into serial production it would have been used as a ferry for a Soviet invasion of Canada. Thats really the only place where Soviet, and U.S. logistics would be equally weak.
Mrl33tastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offense, but I wouldn't! Way too much to worry about! Ignorance is bliss.
Scarface_gv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:56:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we be friends ? And drink rum and play Poker while we discuss these wonderful theories? No homo btw.
stupidname91919 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:12 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok?
Where you at?
JeffDenlon ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:14:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Deep State and the wealthy control corporate media. They all have the same angles together to present the same narrative. All these different shows will parrot the exact same tag lines in order to get a message out there. They constantly have us bickering over issues in order to divide us. They blatantly distort the facts and have been caught doing it several times. They are there to try and make us believe what they want us to believe, not to report information.
Bifidus1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:54:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this even a conspiracy? Seems pretty much fact at this point.
JeffDenlon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:36:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised how many people still believe in corporate media.
Bifidus1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have several employees that think Fox news is the most legite shit out there.
KA1N3R ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:20:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as a 'deep state'.
It's a right-wing fear tactic.
WorldsGreatestPoop ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 16:33:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putin has a lot more dirt than one urine soaked mattress.
ActualButt ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you ask me, that tidbit about the golden shower show was just to let Trump know they have tapes of god knows what horrible thing he actually did. Like, he would know just hearing that part, that it was the same night as the ____________ or whatever.
WorldsGreatestPoop ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:45:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And to add, all this dirt was so the mafia could strong arm a real estate business man. When he became president it was a lucky break for the Russians.
AgoraiosBum ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:44:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's highly likely when the American media says "disclose your finances" and Trump just says "nope." And it works.
StrompyFrimp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's video of him fucking an under aged pageant contestant or prostitute during Miss Universe in Russia.
Northumberlo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet Trump fucked his daughter or a child, or his daughter when she was a child, or continually since.
WorldsGreatestPoop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:45:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm. I don't have a high opinion of the man but.... some secrets are harder to keep than others.
Northumberlo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at pictures of them together, especially when she was younger. Combine them with comments he's made about her, especially the sexual ones.
Watch his body language in some of the videos of them together, he's very possessive in his motions. Almost controlling.
The whole situation just creeps me out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are implying that russia even helped him in some way. Which hasnt been one real piece of evidence yet. Trump hasnt even done anything helpful for Putin. Sanctions on russia and expelling of diplomats. Whats in it for them?
Tons of reports are coming out the emails were a leak and not a hack.
Airway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don Jr. emails are damning evidence that Russia did help in some way.
therealcrumbles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's a fact, not a theory.
TimmySouthSideyeah ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:53:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cell phone updates degrade your phone's performance so you are more likely to get the new model.
MrGalecki ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:45:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a conspiracy theory.
PBJohnson04 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's 100% true
kasenutty ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:39:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that Kid Rock ate his midget.
Vpantha ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:33:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bob Marley was killed by injection to stop his positve movement.
Tardigrade_Massacre ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:29:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf, why would you want to believe this.
Vpantha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes perfect sense. He was revolutionizing the way people were thinking. He messages were clear an for the common folk that it was causing a problem for controlled agendas everywhere. He did something many could not on was on his way to make a big concert to express his ideas even more (same with mj). He had to be stopped so people wouldnt coexist. Look back into history of the first world, any celebrity trying to bring people together somehow was "silenced".
Tardigrade_Massacre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, I'm saying I'd rather believe that he faked his own death to live out his days as a street musician, it's a happier ending. :)
Vpantha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha;)
SoundOfDrums ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:36:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton's payoff to not freak out over Lewinsky was a promise to make her president. To fulfill this promise later on, after losing the primary to Obama, Tim Kaine was pressured to stepp down as chairman of the DNC and recommend they put Wasserman (Hillary's campaign manager) in his place to ensure she wouldn't lose in the primary again by running it dirty. His payoff was to be her VP.
iampc93 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:12:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are very few if any sexy singles looking to fuck near me
MickylivChimneylove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is great. I love this so much
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:12:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a shadow orginization running the US Governnent. If you apply game theory to politics you will realize there has to be an opponent moving pieces around. Every fake news story or presidential speech is planned by a third party that is orchestrating a carefully planned way to mantain power for key individuals, who are most likely participants of said orginization. Everyone is always saying "The New world order" but i think its very much an old order.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:05:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK - but I don't know who did it. We will probably never know. Why? He couldn't do the shooting and the final shot came from the right/front. Plus the massive coverup aftermath was just ridiculous.
tobashadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a book about the kill shot coming from a M16 in the follow car by accident by secret service men that were forced to run that duty due to the regulars getting drunk. It's theorized the agent heard the shots and grabbed the rifle while standing up in the seat just as the driver floored it. The ballistics and angles make total sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a show on that - it seems ridiculous but plausible when you watch the show. The guy makes a pretty good case, but there was no entry wound in the back of his head - no evidence exists since the brain was "lost" and the xrays were "misplaced" or doctored. I still say the final shot came from the front, and both John Connolly and his wife both insisted JFK was shot first till the day they died. Jackie can be seen trying to retrieve brain matter off the back trunk NOT in the front seat. The frangible bullet thing is totally plausible - but we will never know.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:17:28 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mandela effect. It seems pretty impossible that so many people will remember something a "wrong" way. Plus, we all seem to realize together that something is wrong with our memories
DarthSillyDucks ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:14:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like the Berenstein bears?
__Noodles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about them?
KravMaga16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They never existed. It was Bearenstain.
woobinsandwich ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:08:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something is wrong with everyones' memories. Our memories are unreliable and easily swayed by what others are agreeing upon around us.
GamingSandwich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our brains are old wet sacks of meat trying to conjure up childhood video and newsreels and crap. They're doing the best they can >_>
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get how we can see something such as a tweet and be easily influenced by it and think "hey, I remember that too!" But there's something about it that really intrigues me
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People's memories are notoriously unreliable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, and it's just the facts. What fascinates me, however, is how collectively we seem to have the SAME misconceptions
EDIT: and I also get how we can see something such as a tweet and be easily influenced by it and think "hey, I remember that too!" But there's something about it that really intrigues me
Corpusly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:13:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Captain Disillusion has a really interesting video on his youtube channel debunking this!
xGhostCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Morphogenetic Field?
hali1o1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Diana was assasinated
metalunamutant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General Motors streetcar conspiracy
Dunan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That one is a fact. Fortunately, Trader Joe's is fighting back by encouraging people to bike or walk to their stores.
unity57643 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That I'm stuck in a time loop that begins every time I see this post.
RazorRush ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:50:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there is a large astroid with our name on it. Nasa has known this for years. It's still far away. Too far for amateur astromoners to notice. Might be hundreds of years away. But it's coming.
lendergle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:05:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who says amateur astronomers haven't noticed? Heck, we've known about it for years. It's in the manual for most high-end telescopes. My 10" Schmidt-Cassegraine has more than a dozen "major extinction event" asteroids in its on-scope database. We don't bother telling people about it because it makes us feel superior, plus we want to get a head start on all the looting and rioting in the days leading up to Armageddon. If you ever see a bunch of neckbeards smashing store fronts and stealing massive amounts of redvine candy, just join in because you don't have much longer to live.
RazorRush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appreciate the heads up. More of a Raisinet man myself .
Mechasteel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:03:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure my city has scheduled brush pickup to happen on dates inappropriate for pruning, to save money by having less to pick up...
keytar_gyro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:16:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zaphod Trump.
amongthedouglasfirs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've spent almost a day reading this thread and this comment just made it worth my time.
ADigitalWizard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:21:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Roadhog was nerfed so that he wouldn't completely shut down Doomfist, who was the most anticipated hero since Sombra.
MegaNerd42 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:26:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this one is true because I spoke with one of the designers but the internet regards it as a conspiracy theory. The De Havilland flying saucer. My Grandfather was an airplane engineer for De Havilland, the following is his account of the events, unfortunately, I never recorded this story before he passed away. On their lunch breaks, the engineers at De Havilland would make sketches for flying saucers, just for fun. One day a supervisor told them to stop screwing around on paper and build the damn thing. So they did, De Havilland built a flying saucer. It didn't work. It was terribly unstable when they tried to make it lift off the ground, it wobbled uncontrollably. If they wanted it to be stable it would either have to spin (which was not achievable at the time (1960s)) or have a tail fin, which would ruin the flying saucer idea. For whatever reason the internet thinks this is a top secret project, it's not, it was just a few engineers having some fun on they're lunch breaks. RIP Granddad.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:41:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planned obsolescence
AnOrthodoxHeretic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Olsen twins are actually one person moving back and forth really fast. I can't prove it, but I KNOW it's true.
Subzero66758 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Olsen Twins are Reverse Flash confirmed.
someguyonlinedotca ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:38:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird Al Yankovic is Trent Reznor.
Seriously, have you ever seen them in the same room together?
Ridespacemountain25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love for this to be true, but they've probably had concerts going on at the same time/day before.
Derekn210 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:48:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loren Bouchard stole the idea for Bob's Burgers while online gaming. Back in 2009 I was playing COD with some friends and I said in these words, "I'm going to make a show that will be the new Family Guy. It'll be called Bob's Burgers. I'll pitch it to Fox. It'll be about a family in New York who owns a restaurant". Odds are it's probably just one of those crazy coincidences but who knows.
Scarface_gv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:09:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pls elaborate, was this MW2 game chat, PS3?
Derekn210 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it was MW2 on PS3. Back then my friends and I would always play online and mostly just say funny shit to each other more so than focus on playing.
976chip ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:01:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Chappaquiddick Incident was engineered to destroy Teddy Kennedy's chance of running for president. It would have been too suspicious to outright kill him, since John and Bobby had both been murdered, so "they" resorted to character assassination.
Fillertracks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This I can get behind
TheSirusKing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:41:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FBI assassinated MLK. It was just after MLK started advocating socialism, and cointelpro was aimed primarily at basically killing or otherwise silencing socialists. We know they killed a couple of other activists, mainly in the BPP. Also, Kings family was confident it was the government and even supported the "framed" assassin against the charges.
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the King family won a civil suit proving exactly that.
lorosyp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:41:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit exists primarily as a paid tool to push website traffic. It's owned by a billion dollar media company and I don't see Reddit Gold as being enough to pay for servers, staff, rent, utilities, accountants, lawyers
Rundle_1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:06:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe to get anywhere in life you need to be rich, and to get rich you need to start of with crap ton and rich people decide who gets crap tons.
Jan-Sch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorts by controversial
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:39:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The German government purposefully stops people from attempting to find mass graves from WW2
A few years ago my friends father attempted to uncover the bodies of 54 Jewish women and children who were 'caught up to' by Germans while fleeing from Germany.
A few days after he set out to start digging the German government told him that the site had already been uncovered. And denied him access to dig.
A few stories like this have popped up over the years about people trying to find mass graves only to be blocked by the German government. Even after obtaining digging permission
DM-Hollens-117 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:30:14 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Barron Trump is a time traveler who came back to make sure his grandpa became President. Obviously, he had to pretend to be his son
Chaway666 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:22:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11
*follow the money
JGFishe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:45:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC.
A "botched mugging" where nothing of monetary value was stolen.
Seth was awake and talking to the police, then somehow goes into critical condition in the hospital and subsequently dies.
A John Podesta email that says something to the effect of, "I'd be willing to make an example out of a leaker." (Seth Rich leaked the emails, there was no DNC hack. Julian Assange has all but out-right stated that Seth was the leaker.)
Pylons ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:51:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's why it was botched.
JGFishe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They would have at least stolen something, anything. Watch, phone, wallet, keys, whatever.
If the whole idea of a mugging is to go up to a person and steal their shit (hopefully with no intention of killing them), if they were forced into the situation of killing their victim, they would still take some stuff with them.
otherchedcaisimpostr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
public relations is a multi billion dollar industry
Literal_SJW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think it's more likely that a professional hit person wouldn't take anything if they were trying to pass it off as a mugging or that a failed mugger would panic and flee the scene as soon as possible after shooting someone?
JGFishe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that it if was a mugging, or supposed to look like a mugging, something would have been taken (watch, phone, keys, wallet, etc.)
Literal_SJW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think if it was a professional hit then they would have made it look less suspicious.
Also I'm also having trouble finding what he actually did at the DNC and why he would have access to the emails that belonged to the higher ups.
Pylons ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:13:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And do what? Pawn them so they can get traced back to the mugger?
JGFishe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or perhaps do something smarter.
Puncomfortable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, but this makes no sense to me. First of all that email is two years old so it can absolutely not refer to Rich. Secondly, the context makes it explicitly clear who he is talking about and what the consequences are. He specifically mentions firing/not hiring any leakers not murdering. Murder in the context is of that email is absolutely ridiculous. Also no one would admit to that in an email sent to anyone else especially when people are leaking those. Thirdly, how would a murder that's covered up make an example out of anyone? Especially when this conspiracy relies on the DNC attempting to blame Russia? According to the conspiracy the DNC did not want anyone to know it was Rich and that's why they murdered him instead of firing/prosecuting him. But if you cover up the murder to look like an attempted robbery the only thing people are warned about is a possible robbery. So should or shouldn't people know the DNC kills people?
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:35:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
7/11 was an inside job
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:04:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*part time job
bens111 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:58:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women's pants don't have usable pockets in order to increase purse sales
tanis_ivy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude.
AlienMutantRobotDog ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:48:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I consider the urban legend of aliens at Area 51 truly dead and buried, since Trump became President. No way could he keep a secret like that. He would have tweeted it out accidentally a 2am months ago
skywreckdemon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:45:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. knew that Trump would talk about it and just didn't tell him about all these secrets?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ran93r ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:57:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but did they?
Maybe it's like when you give your little brother the controller that isn't plugged in so they think they are playing.
TRiskProduction ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:13:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Courtney Love is the reason behind Kurt Cobains death.
5pez__A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kurt faked his death and became Rivers Cuomo.
why do you believe he is dead anyway? what convinced you?
issuicideanoption ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you listened to Hole? I'd want to die too
thehighepopt ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:30:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was an inside job. Why? Because Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Maine, and all the other convenient events that led the US into wars where US corporations made lots of money through annexation of territory or securing mineral rights, i.e., all of them.
libertee1776 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preach!
Cody667 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:08:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've either already cured or are extremely close to curing the likes of Cancer, AIDS, and even the Common Cold, but Western pharmaceutical companies, American health care providers, and Insurance companies would all go under, resulting in hundreds of thousands of lost jobs and hundreds of billions of lost dollars if any of said cures/research ever got out.
AlwaysOpugno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:14:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aids may be, but cancer and the common cold aren't just one illness, there's thousands of different cold viruses that would all need a slightly different cure and they are constantly evolving so even if a cure was found it wouldn't work for long. And with cancer there's a different cancer for pretty much every type of tissue in the body, all would need a different treatment method, also due to the fact it's actually your own cells that are the problem it's incredibly difficult to treat.
nurseitworkit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Pharma has a cure for cancer but it would put them out of business. Easier to have people continue in their expensive treatments indefinitely.
addysol ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:20:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Osama Bin Laden wasn't killed by a SEAL team he died years ago in an airstrike.
Why? Because he conveintly got thrown into the ocean a few hours after the killed him and no one took photos, not a one. Fuckin Saddam Hussein's execution was televised and we don't have one photo of this other arsehole with a rifle lobotomy?
Anndgrim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:41:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMGWhoDidDis ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 20:51:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC
nagol93 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:59:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was an inside job! Its obvious people!!
The plane flew INSIDE. There wouldnt be any problems if the plane stayed OUTSIDE!
dolbyscott ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:24:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
911 deniers are like religious extremists, no amount of clear truth or reality can change their faulted beliefs.
Vufur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:41:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it depends, I'm actually sure that some people were aware of the threat and somehow kept it for themselfes to make money with it. Don't know how high it goes tho.
Kirton178 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:21:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The owner of the towers for example, took out an insurance policy or something shortly before it happened, walked away making 7-10 figures.
Fillertracks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching a documentary about don't ask don't tell. Apparently in like 1998ish 60% of our intelligence analysts who spoke Arabic got fired under don't ask don't tell.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:36:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
American slavery never ended. The old method was just obsolete. Instead they outlawed slavery, except for prisoners. That was the loophole to continue slavery. The old method was also too obvious and people rebel when they know they're slaves. However if you focused on criminals, people have a defeatist attitude and blame themselves. This makes the government be all, "you fucked up with your own bad decisions" and the prisoners is just a dumbass, not a slave. That's how they paint it, even though the government and private companies want to put more and more people in prisons for cheap labor. That's why prisoners in America are about the same numbers as when slaves existed. Plus the average American doesn't give a shit because the majority of people are not even wanted here (Blacks, Mexicans, illegal immigrants, poor white trash).
Luminous_Fantasy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:00:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who's met a few felons, they just sit around for the most part. No labor.
a_literal_t-34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)
Section 1
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
a_literal_t-34 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:01:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a conspiracy theory. The 13th amendment literally says that slavery is illegal unless it's a punishment for a crime.
scratcher-cat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:22:15 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Celebrities/other people getting brainwashed using MKULTRA style tactics, or other kinds of brainwashing/manipulation. I don't think the government or any huge group is necessarily behind this one, but just that since info on potential ways to control a person is out there, someone's using it to their advantage so they have an easier time dealing with whoever they're working with. Could be a celebrity's manager, could be a pimp, could be someone's significant other, or a parent trying to mold children to their idea of a perfect child.
I don't really buy the mass media brainwashing the public stuff though. If some worldwide conglomerate is behind it all, I don't know and I can only care so much as a mostly powerless citizen. My mom always told me that not everything I see on TV or read about is necessarily true and if something strikes me the wrong way, I don't have to believe a word of it beyond a semi-functional framework of the information other people know. Overall I try to look out for my and people's safety, have a decent life, and most importantly have a plan to be polite to everyone I meet. Including people way deeper into these theories than me.
Y'know all those "Identify the narcissist in your life. Here's 7 signs!" clickbait articles floating around. I bet lots of narcissists are reading them and figuring out how to refute those arguments. Only semi-related, I know, just food for thought I guess.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:11:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're hired for their beauty, not their brains.
scratcher-cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this case the brainwashing is (allegedly) to make them more complacent. Everyone has a brain, can't be smart or stupid without one. :P
Ragepoon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:28:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only problem with all the more serious conspiracy theories is that they would involve dozens if not hundreds of people in order to cover them up and surely of those multiple people one would have come forward to expose the truth of a conspiracy, especially the older ones. Human's are generally terrible at taking secrets to the grave.
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:43:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they have.
KA1N3R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah, this is basically why most conspiracy theories are just theories.
It's the 'great filter' of conspiracy theories.
Borneo3 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:08:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government was involved in some way to the events that happened on 9/11.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:16:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK was killed by the Secret Service.
I forgot where I heard this, it was either through Reddit or it was stuff they don't want you to know (or car stuff)
But the gist of it was, the first bullet was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald when everyone was freaking out trying to find the shooter a secret service agent who was standing in the correct approximate position holding a gun that would shoot a round that would do that kind of damage, shot up towards the general vicinity of where Lee Harvey Oswald was, which by the way is the same general vicinity where JFK's head was.
So this agent accidentally shot JFK, and the secret service covered it up because... Well accidents happen (expecially in fire fights) and they already had Lee Harvey Oswald.
Lyndon Johnson said that he did not trust the Secret Service after that event.
Edit: words
euphoria110 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:57:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Titanic was not the ship that sank. It was the sister ship the Britannica. The Britannica was damaged ( I think it collided with another ship) and was in the same dry dock the titanic was getting finished in and they used some materials for the titanic to repair. White line realized the cost would be too high to completely repair it so they switched the names and all equipment that had names and they let it sink for insurance money. The insurance was purchased two weeks before it launched and had a $5 million payout.
Even though the ship's looked very close to each other there was a difference in the space between the Windows and pictures of the titanic when it launched compared to pictures of the Britannica before and after don't line up right.
Jason-Genova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Olympic
Jason-Genova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Olympic
KelevraBlack ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 19:22:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton and the DNC had Seth Rich killed.
He was clearly a Bernie supporter and was prepared to inform Wikileaks of the collusion between the DNC and the Clinton campaign. He was then murdered in a "robbery" that resulted in nothing being stolen. As was a woman he was meeting with who was believed to give him Julian Assange's contact info. Both were killed in "robberies" in which nothing was stolen, as they were about to blow the whistle on a conspiracy to put Clinton in the White House.
It's too convenient and too coincidental.
oceansparkmick ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 19:46:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clintons have had lot of people murdered
superkp ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:24:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HEY. THOSE WERE SUICIDES.
Just because they took weird measures - like two bullets to the back of the head - doesn't mean that they weren't suicides.
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:24:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who was killed with two bullets to the back of the head and was ruled a suicide?
daKEEBLERelf ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:11:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the count is up to somewhere around 43 people who have died that were investigating the Clintons
ChickenBaconPoutine ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:48:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They just discovered how shitty the Clintons are and lost all will to live.
HiddenKrypt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show me the list then. Most of the ones I've seen floating around the internet include people who never actually existed, or even people who aren't dead.
JamieBGood1 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:04:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:10:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pack it up guys, the infallible and agenda-free Snopes.com says it's not true.
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:22:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't disputed any of it...
Qulijah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:23:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can he? It's a "conspiracy theory" for a reason.
DBCrumpets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:38:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conspiracy theory doesn't mean "no evidence"
Qulijah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say that. You can't prove a theory cause it would then be fact.
DBCrumpets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can still have evidence. Fact is a high bar.
ToastLord78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Monica Lewinsky wasn't one of them?
LordFauntloroy ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:27:36 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Fox just settle a lawsuit where they admitted they made the story up?
Edit: Here it is, from Fox itself:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/01/fox-news-named-in-lawsuit-by-contributor-over-retracted-seth-rich-story.html
Apparently no settlement but they found the evidence compelling enough to retract the story as the quotes used to back the story are proven to have been fabricated. What's more, Spicer met with Butowski and Wheeler three weeks before it broke. Fake news. Sad! Wheeler was even told such by execs at Fox that broke the story.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/07/seth-rich-separating-fact-and-speculation/
gaslightlinux ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:56:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember W's military records? Release a fake though pretty accurate document, discredit the journalist and kill his career, no one touches the story ever again. Disinfo 101.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way fox handled it was made up but the actual fact he was killed and considered the leaker isnt.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:15:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fox didn't make the story up. People have been speculating that since last summer, way before fox ever even mentioned it.
KelevraBlack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:41:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My concern with this is that Julian Assange made open claims about Seth Rich being his source. Fox News may have retracted the story, but Julian Assange still claimed that Seth Rich was his source and, as far as I know, never retracted his statement.
Seth Rich had a link to Wikileaks. While Fox News may no longer be saying so, the head of Wikileaks continues to say so.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assange doesn't reveal sources.
If he did, no one would send him info.
rockmasterflex ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:21:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FYI, Julian Assange, like the rest of us, IS FULLY CAPABLE OF LYING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT SERVES HIS BEST INTERESTS
NorseTikiBar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:18:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assange never made "open claims" so much as he did a wink and a nudge to get conspiracy nutters to think he was supporting them. In the end, Assange is incredibly anti-West, and anything that helps Russia is going to be something he does.
shrekinator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't trust Assange at all. I like to believe he had a noble goal at one point, but that has long faded. The man has a political agenda, and he's using his platform and community he built with trust to push that agenda.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Julian Assange used to have a regular show on Russia Today. His agenda is quite clear.
PostNationalism ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:36:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i thought he didnt release his sources?
T9x978 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:10:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. He was assassinated, not murdered. Zero doubt in my mind about that, and the fog around him and everything just helps draw the same conclusion
Lord_of_Jam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always see people say he was clearly a Bernie supporter but never any evidence for it. Someone tried to link a Bernie Twitter page to him but then retracted their statement when they realised they messed up. The Twitter page also made a statement after people started going over it thinking it was Rich's. Most of the time the evidence he was a Bernie supporter is that people say that gives him motive to leak, but then say he leaked because he was a Bernie supporter. It's circular logic. Also his parents said he had just taken a job with the Clinton campaign which he was really happy about.
Also I don't really see how nothing being taken is evidence it couldn't have been a robbery. There were 4 reports in the month before Rich died about 2 men robbing people at gun point, most of them only streets over from where Rich died. The police reportedly have a video of 2 men walking in Rich's direction around the time he died. His watch had been ripped off and he showed signs of defensive wounds. There was also gunshot detectors in the area that would be sending police there the second the trigger was pulled. Personally putting all this together I think he refused the robbers, a fight broke out, a shot went off, and then the robbers panicked and ran.
It's easy in hindsight to say "something would be taken in a robbery" but I think people forget that robbers are still humans. Pulling a trigger is one thing. Taking possessions off someone while they lay bleeding in the street, likely pleading for help, while you know the police are on their way as you go over the body is another thing all together.
Qulijah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:24:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK he had a reddit account that was pretty active in the Bernie-subreddit. Someone went and edited his posts and stuff aswell. Very, very fishy.
Lord_of_Jam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember his account being found (it was Grimlock45 or something similar to that), but nothing political was found on it except 1 post in politics where he just complained about a sensationalised and edited headline. IIRC most of the stuff that was removed were things that revealed his identity, like pictures of him and details about where he lived. Most likely by Admins to prevent doxing or something similar.
Qulijah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aight, my bad!
Lord_of_Jam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All good! A lot of info gets thrown around about this so sometimes it's hard to keep track of all of it. Honestly I only skimmed over his account when it was first found, so I could be wrong here, but after spending a lot of time on r/conspiracy I haven't really heard people say he posted Bernie stuff so that's also what I'm going off here.
NorseTikiBar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything you said here is absolutely correct. Bloomingdale was experiencing a mini-crime wave due in part to DC Water blocking First St past Rhode Island Ave, and refusing to light the area properly. This meant that the two robbers would wait at blind spots late at night to jump drunks on their way home. Not victim blaming, just calling out who's an easier target.
Well, unfortunately Seth ended up being that drunk they jumped after going from his favorite spot to one that's known for being a shitshow. After stumbling his way home while distracting himself with a phone call to his gf, he was drunk enough to fight back instead of handing over his stuff.
A tragedy, but not a conspiracy.
TacticalHog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:00 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"And in other news, an internet forum user by the name of /u/KelevraBlack was found dead in his home with two self-inflicted .50 caliber gunshots wounds to the back of the head"
KA1N3R ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's far more likely that Seth Rich actually did leak the E-Mails, but the Kremlin had him murdered to tie up loose ends. Evidence would be that WikiLeaks is basically a russian Intelligence operation.
Would absolutely fit Russia's modus operandi.
Puncomfortable ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:37:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is literally no proof that he was a Bernie supporter. No one in his family claimed he was but has talked about him being excited to work for Hillary. The only 'proof' people have is that there was a pro-Brenie twitter account that had a similar name but that has been proven not to be his.
Also what hitman wouldn't even finish the job in killing him? He lived for hours after he was shot. When you need to pick between a lousy robber or a lousy hitman it's far more likely that a robber got scared and ran. And some stuff was missing and his watch had marks showing they tried to rip it off.
And another big thing. The leak was weeks after his death. How did they know he was the leaker and how were they sure he was going to leak things. They could have easily just fired him or turned him without any damage being done.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 00:37:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dividedsky ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:04:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first of all, relax - it's a thread about conspiracy theories.
secondly, to add to the theory - several former intelligence analysts have performed their own independent review of the metadata of the files that Guccifer 2.0 provided, and they believe that the person who released those files had local access to them, i.e. it was not someone in Russia hacking, it was someone in Washington who had physical access to the disk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I realized I was being an asshole. My bad
I still think this conspiracy is wrong lol
Anonymonynonymous ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:15:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't that analysis rely on a 30mb/s connection being impossible
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russian sleeper cells are a thing.
dividedsky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fair enough and valid point. thats not the narrative thats being pushed, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be easier if they had? Since there's precedent?
NorseTikiBar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The metadata thing relies on no one copying the files locally at any time after the documents were leaked, because that's an opportunity for the metadata to be overwritten.
What's more likely is that someone hacked the DNC on Russian orders, copied the files to a USB drive, and handed it to their point of contact to leak it.
KelevraBlack ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:38:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calm the fuck down. It's a thread about conspiracies. This is the perfect place to wear my tinfoil hat. Don't be such a fucking cunt.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're right. I guess I have been seeing a lot of misinformation lately and a lot b.s. assumptions so I overrreacted. Sorry bro
KelevraBlack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is fine. Use these as an opportunity to educated and provide sources to back you up. Don't be a douche to people who may not have updated info. That won't change minds or make anyone more intelligent. It serves no purpose.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
navyplanets ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:31:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia was involved in the US election, but not just to put Trump in power. To them, who didn't matter - they gave dirt on both sides to either candidate, alongside blackmailing the candidates. Both Clinton and Trump were manipulated by Russia.
thruendlessrevisions ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:41:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious as to why you think they would be involved if they had no desired outcome.
steampunker13 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:28:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard this dudes theory before, but if I had to guess it would be to create this political insanity we have going on right now. Everyone is so focused on blaming each other for everything we aren't actually getting anything done.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the jobs of Russian intelligence operatives today is to spread distrust for our democracy, so no matter what happens the citizens will trust the system less
KA1N3R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They wanted to weaken the presidency of the next US president.
A Trump presidency or a 'bloodied' Clinton presidency would achieve that.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:41:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The MSM is against you and is giving you a false narrative that goes along with what the deep state wants to do. Whether Trump is for or against it he's powerless to stop the deep state. You are as we speak being brain-washed by the news.
MoldyPurpleSpots ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching some local news station criticism of trump today on race and they talked a bunch of crap for a two minutes and then the news guy asked some "trump defensive - what if questions" but then the same guests responded with just the same bs they just said... It seemed to me that they were just pretending to give voice the other side so that the anti-trump guests could just talk more bs another two minutes. It was a one sided debate. I don't watch tv, I walked by it...
ohlawdwat ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:37:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a specific "theory" about it that I think is true other than that I think there's a lot more to 9/11 than was acknowledged by the US state organizations. Why is it so unimaginable that some actor managed to get explosives in the buildings? (state intelligence agency, "rogue" group of people who would benefit from dragging america into middle eastern wars backed by the wealthy hobgoblins who made hundreds of billions off the wars for their corporations, pakistani ISI, whoever the fuck)? What's so unimaginable or crazy about that? If you bring up anything other than "well idk planes hit shit and it fell down", you're suddenly a mad-hatter conspiracy theorist who thinks George W. Bush brought down the towers personally, when in reality there are about a trillion other options/explanations. Really doesn't seem very far-fetched to me. Lots of very suspicious financial fraud evidence disappeared when those buildings went down, from both government organizations quartered in Building 7 and trading companies in the towers. There's so much suspicious stuff surrounding it that makes the whole 'ah well it was just a small group of angry muslims' explanation seem nonsensical. In the 9 months prior to 9/11, there was 'elevator modernization' work going on in the WTC complex and a private company had access to all the buildings, maybe something was set up then.
Those buildings shouldn't have come down the way they did without demolition charges. Look at those buildings, specifically building 7, even Dr. Shyam Sunder, head of NIST's investigation of the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9/11, when asked why WTC 7 collapsed, said: 'Truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.' It didn't "weaken and twist and collapse" like NIST's inadequate model shows, it came down into it's own footprint in moments, when suddenly, out of nowhere, the entire structure symmetrically lost all support at the same time? How is that even a possibility from office fires? A few column failures can't cause a synchronized global collapse. How does that make sense to any rational person? Building 7 wasn't hit by any airplanes, and yet somehow it came down in exactly the same way the other two did? The building comes down in a total symmetrical collapse, how is that possible without demolitions charges? If there's fire or something and a portion of the structural support weakens, it twists and causes damage and portions of the building might fall off, sag, or topple over, maybe a portion falls in on itself and you get a wrecked building, but a total symmetrical collapse of a building like that into its own footprint that takes place in seconds is something that requires professional demolitions experts. Then on the one hand you have NIST saying they 'found no evidence for explosives in the buildings', and in another paragraph of a NIST report they say they didn't look for evidence of explosives residue. That's not how science works. That's how cover-ups work. NIST didn't follow professional or scientific standards in their investigations - they're the "national institution of standards and technology", yet they didn't follow national standards in 'fire damage investigations' or structural failure investigations. There were explosions on video, we have witnesses to explosions, we have audio of explosions right before the towers started falling down, there's overwhelming evidence for the existence of explosives - 3,000 americans were murdered and the first 3 high-rise steel buildings collapsing from fire happened, and they didn't even really investigate it. Preservation of evidence is a basic standard and the evidence was all almost immediately destroyed.
It's obvious to people who have brains can see that there's more to the story, like for instance demolition experts with decades of experience who, when shown the video of WTC Building 7 coming down without being told what he's looking at and asked what his estimation of the event was, responds "this was a hired job, performed by a team of experts, no question. it starts at the bottom and comes down from the top, they blew the columns and it comes down" and "It's a professional job, without a doubt, they knew exactly what they were doing", and academicians/scientists like the late Carl Sagan's wife, Lynn Margulis, who is a professor at the University of Massachusetts, is a 'crazy 9/11 conspiracy theorist'. People with brains and experience/degrees see that something is obviously wrong with the story we were told. I think any reasonable person who gets over the psychological stigma of "being a conspiracy theorist" and actually looks into it will inevitably come away convinced of the same thing. The world isn't as simple as 'good guys and bad guys' / 'terrorists and freedom', the world is a web of states, organizations, interest groups within those states and agencies, and people willing to kill to further their own ends, doesn't matter how many people die. Complexity and organization is something human beings are perfectly capable of, take a peak at any city to find out how smart people are - so the suggestion that it would simply be too difficult to manage a 'conspiracy' like that is ludicrous. The argument "oh well someone would have blown the whistle" doesn't hold any water either because no one believes anyone who tries to call it a conspiracy that involved anything more than some angry arabs, and if this were to have been pulled off by a more sophisticated actor/organization, they'd be perfectly capable of monitoring their people using security officers (just like defense contractors and governments do) and killing or imprisoning anyone who tried to go 'off side' or spill the beans. Even if someone involved tried to blow the whistle, the entire media would act concertedly to ignore them. We all know that.
That doesn't necessarily imply "george bush did it", lol, it means there's more to the whole story than meets the eye, there may have been more actors involved than we were told and that was kept secret beause it wasn't convenient or simple enough for the public to digest, and the event was quickly taken advantage of and spun in the simplest way it could be to be used for the implementation of policy that the people in power already wanted to implement because they thought it was best for America. Doesn't mean "da gubbermint did 9/11", but there are so many indications that there's a whole lot more to the story of 9/11 than what the politicians told us. Politicians lie. Anybody at NIST who didn't support the politicians lies would have been tossed out and called crazy anyway, losing their careers, reputations, etc. NIST basically made up a brand new never-imagined-before version of structural failure to "sort of" explain away what happened to Building 7, but just watching their presentation about it, you can tell that even the guy explaining it is sort of just trying to get through it and knows it's not a very good explanation. Someone told them to investigate and come up with some answers, so they did, but they had to do it within the framework of an official story that dictated what their conclusions needed to be before the study was conducted and that study doesn't actually take all the data/evidence into account. It wasn't done scientifically.
The evidence was immediately destroyed, rather than being studied all the steel was picked up and shipped to China for scrapping. There were also other reports about explosives in trucks at the Washington Bridge, and they were found in places that would have caused major damage to US infrastructure - like ones that would have cut some major stock market/finance communications connectivity infrastructure. One of these trucks actually had a mural painted on it with an airplane being flown into the twin towers. Just google it, it exists, it was found by police, people were arrested (and held for months, questioned by the FBI, and eventually expelled from the country without being tried for anything, curiously). Having looked into it myself out of curiosity just to understand what all the different sides believe, I can't really imagine how anyone could believe the official story as is, without thinking there's more to it.
This is a mass murder that precipitated even greater mass murders and changed the course of world history, and it wasn't even properly investigated - oh, and you're not even supposed to talk about it, otherwise you're ridiculed as crazy. Doesn't matter how obviously rational your reservations are. Something is wrong here. Meanwhile everyone is busy whining about a reality TV star president and the KKK killing a single person at a protest. The US is in a very precarious political position.
paullaroy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:41:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Parts of 9/11 just dont add up.... if they do then the US defence strategy at the time and preparation for an act of terror on that scale using that method was terrible.
DLTMIAR ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:06:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simulated reality. The odds are not in our favor that we are/will be the first
YOULL_NEVER_SELL ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:14:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost all aspects of our lives are ultimately controlled by the ultra rich, who essentially buy laws they want. I don't think it is malicious beyond relieving us of most of our incomes.
way2bored ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:52:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:23:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am resolutely convinced that Donald Trump was paid a comically large sum of money by Hillary Clinton to be a joke candidate to distract the republicans- but that when he got an actual following he refused to back off and give her the win.
Everyone I mention this to tells me I'm wrong, but I still can't shake the idea from my head.
abbydabbydo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:55:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tupac is not dead. I really know nothing about the whole deal EXCEPT that I waited on him at a ski resort in northern Michigan in 2000.
A whole crew of folks, 10+, came in at 1 a.m., they weren't staying at the resort (trust me, in that area we'd all know if a large group of black people were on property, sad as that is to say). They commenced to order about $3000 worth of Dom and Remy and were super chill.
About five minutes before they all left, (they were only there for about a half hour) he walked in. I'll never forget the fur lined hood on his knee length puffer...and clearly he (quietly) led the group. I instantly thought it was him, something about the person's energy...
I looked up height and weight the next day to try to convince myself I was imagining it. They correlated.
Never ever will anyone convince me I didn't lay eyes Tupac that night.
Edit: clarity
sparkchaser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe.
HellaTrill420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:02 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Believing intensifies
LAW9960 ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 21:18:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:24:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Goodbye-Felicia ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:58:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk about the evidence, but it does suck that this dude got down voted for politely sharing a conspiracy in a thread about conspiracies...
goftc ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:55:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could I see some of this "evidence"?
burritochan ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:35:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
This is Vault 7 - a leak of known hacking tools available to the FBI. Among them is the ability to falsely plant forensic evidence that would suggest a different hacking tool (such as, one employed by a foreign government).
The evidence for the "Russia hacked the DNC" claim was exclusively based on computer forensics that the FBI knows can be faked. What's even better, with some of the dates in the Vault 7 data, it is certain that the FBI had knowledge of this counter-espionage tactic on or before the day the FBI Director announced publicly that their intel pointed to Russia.
This doesn't necessarily mean Seth Rich leaked the DNC documents, but it shows the FBI mislead the public with their report.
Devil's advocate: The FBI might have a good reason to lie. If the existence of such counter-espionage technology was not thought to be known to foreign governments, the FBI couldn't make a public announcement based on its existence. Still a conspiracy.
More detailed explanation: http://g-2.space/index.html#6
Anonymonynonymous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:17:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well no, the public version of the hacking report mentions human intelligence.
Besides that, don't you think someone in the white house would have revealed something if they had found the Intel community to be lying?
burritochan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To that last part - no. In fact I think the white house might have their hands tied. It's a matter of international intelligence - there is probably a lot about the story the public can and will never know
Anonymonynonymous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If nothing else it should be a simple matter for them to correct the conclusion if not release the evidence.
[deleted] ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 00:36:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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XIII_THIRTEEN ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:57:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you ignore or don't know something doesn't make it wrong. Instead of trying to play the "my opinions better than yours game," why don't you try actually researching these things?
shrekinator ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:21:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show it then.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:23:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shrekinator ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:21:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show it then.
Edit: still waiting. So much talk, so little evidence.
Yesman69 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're gonna be waiting forever.
hadesthief ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:27:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the facts don't support the Seth Rich conspiracy.
HetfieldBiersack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you reconcile the last one with the mounting evidence that Trump did collude with Russia? Lucky break for the DNC and Intel?
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:39:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we see any of this evidence? I've been asking for it all day!
whatsinthesocks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The emails setting up the meeting to get dirt on Clinton's campaign
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google isn't turning anything up. You're not talking about Don Jr, are you?
whatsinthesocks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:08:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html?_r=0
LAW9960 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They obviously knew that some of Trump's campaign staff had ties to Russia, so it'd look believable.
TwitchyGerman ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:33:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich as a leaker isn't a conspiracy anymore.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-02/seth-rich-investigator-accusations-debunked-own-interviews-seymour-hersh-leak-kills-
DrunkHighAndGay ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:42:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the "spokesperson" is a DNC crisis manager who was not hired by the Rich family. He was assigned and paid for by the DNC.
Pylons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's your point? If they didn't want him to speak for them they could fire him.
DrunkHighAndGay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The conspiracy theory is that they're being silenced. If you do a little searching, you'll see that many of the family member's statements on social media have contradicted the spokesman's statements.
NorseTikiBar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:16:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pick a lane, dude.
zbromination ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like the word "conspiracy" has taken a completely different meaning in recent years.
KA1N3R ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:21:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's far more likely that Seth Rich actually did leak the E-Mails, but the Kremlin had him murdered to tie up loose ends. Evidence would be that WikiLeaks is basically a russian Intelligence operation.
Would absolutely fit Russia's modus operandi.
b_port ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, the only reason you're being downvoted is because these people want to believe the Clinton's were behind it. Both theories are equally ridiculous.
Tacothechihuahua ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:49:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DNC murdered Seth Rich.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing you can about this whether you are you are on social media or not. My wife does development and qa for a company that specializes and capitalizes on this.
It not what you are doing, its what the people around you are doing. Example, let's say 5 of your coworkers go to lunch at a near by TGI Fridays and you stay behind. 4 of the 5 have location services enabled. 2 of the 5 check into the restaurant when they arrive. They eat, pay, and return to the office.
You forget your location services were running for the past week. Online marketing now knows where you work. Where you live, where you coworkers work and live. At this point there is a good possibility that you will start receiving ads for TGI Fridays from them just being there earlier and then being withing close proximity of you.
jonathan88876 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government created Lyme disease. It appeared in Lyme Connecticut for the first time in recorded history just a few miles from where the government does biological warfare experiments (Plum Island in the Long Island Sound)
Mseevers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Star Wars episode of the Muppet Show is the reason Frank Oz was chosen to play Yoda in Empire.
dr-doc-phd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
companies make womens pockets smaller to keep the handbag economy alive
BlameMabel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan's baseball break was actually during a hush-hush suspension for gambling.
mechanate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marilyn Monroe was too close to too many powerful people, and it was way too easy to make her death look like an accident. Sorta the same for Diana, but Monroe, definitely.
93devil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan was kicked out of the NBA for gambling and his dad was killed dues to his gambling.
DerfK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Harvard's directory did not incorrectly list Anthony Scaramucci as dead. He is in fact dead, and the person Trump hired was a Russian plant that had stolen his identity.
Why? At this point, why not?
novatachyon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pepe silvia
Jay-quellen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cat is plotting to kill me in my sleep.
Doggoisbooped ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[I feel like sleeper agents are real but I have no evidence but I just feel something about it being true
BazzleExpedition ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a bit too late, but I believe that government is behind the huge increase in incest porn, so that they can use it as blackmail against future candidates they don't like
sentientfartcloud ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the world is actually controlled by rich illuminati reptilian jews that reside within the flat, hollow, holographic earth.
marodelaluna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:42:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women's clothes usually have inadequate pockets to get us to buy purses. And we fall into it soooo easily.
Jakedasnake28 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:45:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NBA draft lottery is fixed
FashionSense ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turing was assassinated by the British government. They knew he resented them - they were chemically castrating him, after all. They also knew that therapy made him further unbalanced. In the wake of Cold War eacalation they figured he was a volatile loose thread that needed containing.
HellaTrill420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:30 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a harrowing example of extreme homophobia.
Fuck the government in general.
ohmyimaginaryfriends ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This question is asked every once in a while to keep track of how well the cover up's are working.
itzbrucebanner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe every conspiracy is really true but the real conspiracy is they make us all look crazy to think about this shit which enables the government to do whatever they want in plain sight with immense power to discredit the public by just calling us conspiracy theorists.
silent_fungus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS.
shadowarc72 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:29:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of the internet companies got to get her and divided up the United States so they were not directly competing with each other but still look like they are so they can still effectively have a monopoly on the internet to provide low quality products at outrageous prices and give shitty customer service because there is no where else to go.
yogtheterrible ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I wonder if the politicians of the two US parties really aren't rivals but work together to keep all of their jobs and purposefully create animosity between the parties to keep themselves relevant and in the news.
undercoverRN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:48:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bohemian Grove is a site where the nations top elites gather to discuss major war, political, and economical decisions that will be rigged to look like the American civilians some kind of choice in the nation's path. I don't buy that former/present/future presidents, A-listers, elite politicians, and social influencers gather every year for 2 weeks in some random ass isolated forest in California to drink and talk about sports.
Sanhael ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:49:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By most estimates, we hit our modern physical form ~2-300,000 years ago, a figure that may be set for a dramatic push back. Mentally speaking, we had most of our capacity at that time, but certain specific functions had not evolved. It's believed that you could go back between 50,000 and 70,000 years if you wanted to find a child who could, say, be abducted to the present day, and raised without anybody noticing anything particularly odd.
I don't believe in "ancient aliens." I do believe that there were ancient civilizations, and people crossing the globe, even trading, tens of thousands of years earlier than what the mainstream viewpoint currently accepts. We can't go a week without finding evidence of something having happened thousands of years earlier than we thought it did, but the broad figures haven't changed in years.
If those are our only options, then modern humans simply stopped innovating and developing -- in every sense -- for tens of thousands of years at some point (given the supposed close proximity of writing, farming, and city building). Only the point at which that happened would change.
I have a 4-year-old niece who got her first set of building blocks when she was 2; it included rounded pieces. She promptly made a wheel. The entire human race, depending upon innovation for its day-to-day survival: tens of thousands of years; my niece: ~30 seconds? Nobody showed her how to make a wheel. There was no picture of it. It doesn't add up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At age two she would have seen a wheel before though, surely. Making something youโve seen before is a lot easier than coming up with the idea
elicubs44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that Trump wants to bring about climate change reform and is just pretending to be against it so the country will really behind it.
gojaejin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that it counts as a "conspiracy theory" (perhaps more like the opposite), but I'm sure that Amanda Knox is innocent and that Italian authorities pursued the case out of cynical political motives.
I know this mostly because I trust physical evidence far more than people's intuitions and stereotypes about other people.
TheStarkGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:21:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That there is more to JFK's death then just Oswald. Way to much weird shit going on for it to be Oswald and only Oswald.
choicemetal4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:59:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Han Solo pushed the button.
dragonthemagicpuff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mattress Firm is up to something.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dragonthemagicpuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ That's the one I'm CERTAIN of
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:21:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthy food is deliberately kept at a high price to make places like Whole Foods wealthier and to keep McDonalds in business. Just a hunch, though.
ihateradiohead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brad Maddox was going to get released by WWE simply because they didn't have anything to do for him, and they used his "cocky pricks" promo as a lame excuse for doing so
Pescados ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:25:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was in a small, but big enough way, an inside job. My apologies if I'm touching a sensitive subject or make an insulting statement. I only hold this suspicion still after all these years because I don't understand how it could have happened, while also hearing arguments that American fighterjets could be present in a matter of minutes anywhere in their country's airspace? Was it not possible to shoot it down after determining its direction?
AdamGo86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:36:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fairly certain LSD was criminalised to reduce its radicalising impact on left wing politics: not for public health reasons.
This makes it a kind of mass-mind control operation: where people are denied access to neurological states and their correlating experiences, purely for political reasons.
Evidence:
Leaf Feildings 'Social history of LSD'
Evidence of LSDs clinical uses
Lack of evidence of harmfulness
dec0ded13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:41:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know if it's necessarily a conspiracy.. but there's no way we are the only ones in the universe. Let's say were the only planet in our entire galaxy even (which is a stretch with something like 30 billion planets in our galaxy) there's still over 100 BILLION galaxies out there... There's just no way. If God did make the earth to make us in his image what exactly was the point of making the other 3 septillian (or some shit math is hard) planets? just for fun? I will never be convinced that there's not some guardians of the galaxy level planets out there, all different species and races with different forms of currency. Hell our planet may be the laughing stock of the galaxy because we're the last one to learn how to travel to other planets to meet up.
Metalbass5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:03:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine how stupid we'll feel if that's the case. Or worse.
"What took you so long! We left you the tech!"
"Where!? We didn't find anything related to space travel. We had to figure it out from scratch."
"We dropped it off in Europe, about 1940. Figured it would help you sort out your planet"
"Yeah...We probably blew that up..."
cassanaya ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:50:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mattress Firms are a front for the mafia. No one ever goes to them. They are on every god damn street. HOW ELSE WOULD THEY BE IN BUSINESS?
Dunan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mafia "go to the mattresses" all the time. That's how those firms stay in business -- indirect support from the mob.
AscentToZenith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:18:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
US Politics are rigged. The whole system in big elections is rigged to have loop holes when needed. Political parties are built to keep you confined to one mindset. It's easier when you have a team to root for. Money controls US politics. I mean the fact that people scream on Reddit "The left!! Or "The right!!" Is pretty good evidence of the problem. You can't come together and solve the actual problems.
possessed_flea ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:27:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't used to be like this, in the 90s newt Gingrich made a few changes ( for example stopping freshman senators and representatives from living in DC and being able to socialise with each other, as well as getting rid of all of the inductions and training provided to remind them that they are there to serve their constituents.... it's a million times easier to hate the other party when your wife is not inviting the wife of the senator from the neighbouring state over for a barbecue every weekend )
Regalingual ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:23:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marilyn Monroe's death wasn't a suicide.
To explain: when people die, their blood flows to the bottom-most part of their body, which causes a discoloration and bruising of the skin known as lividity. She was found nude, laying in bed on her stomach, but her back had some lividity; in other words, when she died, she'd been laying on her back for some time... which indicates that she was moved after being discovered, despite witness claims that she'd been left untouched after being found.
One of the more reasonable theories I've heard is that both her personal doctor and psychiatrist each gave her a dose of sedatives on her last night, and, in a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing, the combined dosage proved to be lethal. When one (or both) of them realized their combined mistake, they rearranged things to make it appear as if she'd committed suicide in order to save their career(s).
iam_a_grocery_bag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:39:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States Government has done something to Kanye West to make him quiet.
mike112769 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good.
alohun101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:40:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beyonce did not give birth to her first child as she was unable to concieve and used a surrogate. There were barely any photos of her pregnancy. Equally, if she was unable to concieve the first time round and then used IVF, the chances of have multiple births (twins, which she does now) would be really high.
thirdaidkit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:38:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft and paper companies, and maybe printer companies are in cahoots. There is 0% need for the default margins in Word to be as wide as they are, they do it so you use more paper. The print companies might be in on it too, mainly because printers are printing more than they need to be thus shortening their life.
This is less a conspiracy theory and more a personal belief fuelled by paranoia.
Venuson0m ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:45:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the earth is round, actually a sphere.
union_jane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Witch!
Gedenkmal5a ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:48:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marketers buy bulk data from period tracking apps to plan the timing of product rollouts
vargoose847y ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:48:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government is suppressing big dick enlargement technology so the people in positions of power all have monster dongs no one else can compete with.
showitoffdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump though...
HellaTrill420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:08 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literal "Big Penis".
Patzer111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:15:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9-11 wasn't an "inside job" but the government absolutely saw a terrorist attack coming. They chose to allow it to happen so they would have a "Pearl Harbor-like event" to rally Americans to go to war. Read the Project for a New American Century. It's chilling.
Ryanjadams ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:40:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed
ohbrotherherewego ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:11:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that William Shakespeare actually wrote all of the works attributed to him. I believe the conspiracy theory that they were actually written and/or commissioned by Sir Francis Bacon. There are some really great explanations of this online.
PipperDigs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:19:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government of the USA using misinformation mixed with fact about the existence of extraterrestrial life, spacecraft, and technology on Earth. There is little reason to hide this anymore.
cubs_070816 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:36:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
organic produce is no better and not even objectively different from conventional produce. it's a niche product that they can charge more for, that's it.
ladysman52118 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:55:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the purse industry and the women's pants industry are working todether. I think they are making womens pockets smaller so they can make purses more expensive because they are in a higher demand
Prankishbear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon landing was fake.
I believe we have been to the moon, but the footage, the Shining references, all of the theories, and the need to beat the Russians (thus faking it) I sincerely think it was faked to improve US morale.
OfficialToaster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens are real and there isn't a shred of doubt to me.
To think in a universe of this scale, with millions of planets, that we're the only species that has gotten to this level is completely naive.
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real , yes.
Visited here. no.
Its a pretty simple answer to the question have we been visited.
We're still here.
If / When they show, we will all know it. It won't be a single small crewed vehicle. It will be a massive object. To cross the void between stars will require so much energy and time. Most likely first knowledge contact will be when they come inside the kuiper belt and start decelerating. Meaning most likely they will be firing their engines towards us to slow down. Remember, they can travel between the stars. What can we offer besides being food or labor to civilization of that power level.
Don't count on an altruistic species either.
We witness the might makes right strategy throughout most all species on earth. Why should the rest of the universe really be any different.
LoganLinthicum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:49 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't tend to survive as a species that can cross the stars if you still subscribe to might makes right. We've come ridiculously close to ending ourself with nuclear weapons on way too many occasions, and have not yet nearly climbed far enough up our tech tree to attempt an interstellar crossing.
NegScenePts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thread makes my soul weep for the future of humanity.
Bonk_EU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i doubt any of the participants will have any say in the future of humanity so relax :D
elicubs44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm late to the circle jerk, but I believe that Trump is purposely making himself the bad guy so he can give Democrats and Republicans a common enemy. Think about it; as soon as he pulled out of the Paris deal, most of the country rallyed around support for climate change. Now, he's doing the same thing with Neo Nazis and White Nationalists. Trump is just using reverse psychology to get what he wants- and its working.
jnb64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could believe that. But it's far more plausible that he's just THAT insane of an egomaniac.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bin Laden ain't dead. We spent over 10 years and an insane amount of money, bodies, resources to finally capture him and we toss him off a boat in the ocean?
Bonk_EU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
instead you keep him hidden and tell nobody? what for. its not like the guy knows the coca-cola formula or something
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:23:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New conspiracy: Bin Laden knows the coca cola formula which is why Bush wanted to catch him
Bonk_EU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:13:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im in :D
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porn industry fucking with people's minds
jnb64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:54 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what way? Just by existing, or do you posit some kind of subliminal messages or mind-control or something?
abitbuzzed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:40:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if this counts, but the reason that the Berenstein Bears books now all say "Berenstain Bears" is because I now exist in a slightly different/alternative reality from the one I grew up in. It sounds ridiculous but that whole thing solidified the idea of parallel universes and alternate realities for me.
DM-Hollens-117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:41 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already explained this. I took my time travel machine back in time just to make people think it's spelled wrong.
CrazyCoKids ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Big Oil and Big Auto fight tooth and nail against public transportation and alternative energy cars, and still will even despite countries like France vowing to outlaw them. (And you just know they'll look to the Americas and say "Guess what guys! More petroleum for you!" when it takes effect.)
Metalbass5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:45 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is widely accepted as true. The automotive industry fought tooth and nail to replace the early American streetcar system with buses. The major automotive manufacturers got up to some pretty shady shit, in order to stifle electric streetcars and anything else that could hurt their profits. Their actions even influenced the future layout of cities (less walkable, more driving).
CrazyCoKids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:22 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they got the fines reduced to only $1.
I'll believe corporations are people when they get put on trial for murder. :P
Metalbass5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:55 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Word. Couldn't agree more.
CrazyCoKids ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:02 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will also believe corporations are people when they get put on trial for slavery for owning other corporations.
cderwin15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Donald Trump conspired with the Russian sorrynotsorry
MisterBishop1942 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:30 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOHEMIAN GROVE!!
That's how we have been getting the presidents we have had for the last 50 years prolly. The reason Trump is so hated is because he wasn't planned to be the next president. It was supposed to be Hillary no matter what, but she was so hated that it didn't work, even with all the tricks they tried to pull Trump still won.
Trainasauruswrecks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:24 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely believe that the 3 WTC buildings were demolished by explosives and did not collapse as the result of planes or a furnace. I believe this because of compelling arguments from physicists.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:11:26 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the Olympic that sank, not the Titanic.
zoobydoobydo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:56 on October 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apple updating older devices to make them run slower. Because, well, after the update they run slower.
Update: Anyone there?
Help-em ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:23:20 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Idea that the reason we have to do the Iโm not a robot thing on websites is a government tactic at taking down an unstoppable AI which has been kept under wraps because they also know we canโt win
SaffyMarie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:03 on October 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that Marilyn Monroe was murdered, Iโve seen documentaries surrounding her death and it feels like everyone who dies in Hollywood is inexplicably linked to drugs or mental health issues, which Iโm not saying that those arenโt plausible theories but the information surrounding her death just doesnโt add up to me. It seems overly excessive.
๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:21 on October 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude this post was 76 days ago ๐๐๐๐
oldsoul3000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:37:35 on November 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government stages mass shootings
handsome_vulpine ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:07:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is a commonly accepted one, but...
"They" are sneaking in fake conspiracy theories...stupid ones, at that...to make other conspiracy theories seem crazy and stupid by association.
Trouble is these fake ones start picking up some dumbasses who believe them to be true and the fake theories gain some traction...and then people don't know what to believe and what not to believe.
Allow me to help folks out with some common ones.
REAL -
9/11 -
The twin towers and WTC 7 were controlled implosion demolitions done by bombs planted in all the support beams. They look too much like known controlled implosion demolitions not to be. An obvious inside job. Whether it was just Bush or done by "them" as a whole is still up for lengthy debate.
JFK -
There was definitely some kind of cover-up...why else would Lee Harvey Oswald be allowed to be shot in front of all that press amongst all that security? Plus there's tons of other suspicious circumstances surrounding not only JFK's assassination but other deaths in the Kennedy family, such as JFK's son or younger brother, I don't remember which, dying in a plane crash while flying solo, even though he had sufficient experience as a pilot to make a simple short hop flight between a couple of small coastal airfields with a fricking CITY right there in between them to use as visual reference.
FAKE -
The Flat Earth theory. -
Alright, first of all...you mean to tell me the earth is flat but the moon, the sun, and all the other celestial bodies in our solar system are round? ...the only way THAT would work is if we actually live in some kind of simulation and everything is fake...though come to think of it...if r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix is anything to go by...there may be something to that...
Second of all...Christopher Columbus and his peers weren't arguing over whether the Earth was flat or round as many seem to believe...there have been quite a few scientists who had conducted experiments proving the earth was round long before any of them were alive...what they were arguing about was just how large the Earth was.
Lincolns_Hat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:30:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But JFK's son was not experienced enough in the
planeconditions. He flew into MVFR/IMC without an instrument rating at night no less, after a hurried departure because he was delayed. One of the leading causes of GA crashes to this day are inexperienced pilots thinking they can handle poor conditions, and "get-there-itis". Source: Am pilot; and did internship work at NTSB headquarters; studied human factors.Fixed link
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:15:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC
ShitOnRickard5 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
ChadArnette ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Bernstein Bears vs Bernstain
lora4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:29:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The federal reserve is b*shit! After the dollar stopped being based on gold the inflation just went crazy. The FR can just print money out of nowhere. The Jews are behind it for sure
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Send me all of your filthy U.S. Treasury bills, I'll help you by properly "disposing" of them for you.
Quesamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the Jews? Is there any reason why they are said to be behind all of these conspiracies?
lora4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mainly this http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evil_Jew. But hey, just a conspiracy theory :)
tell_me_why_you_suck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:56:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This probably isn't the only reason, but in mid-age Europe jews were the one only ones allowed to lend money. So if a king or other local leader took a loan with the jews and was not willing to pay it back, it was quite common to scapegoat the jews for poisoning water supplies or such and have them exiled or killed. Also the jews are quite good at 'cheating' their god which probably is another reason. For example: they are not allowed to do certain things like carrying something outside of their homes on sabbath, so they just declare huge zones to their 'home' for sabbath (I forgot the name of these zones, but iirc the biggest one contains a huge part of lower manhattan) by circling them with a 'blessed string'.
Man_In_The_Desert ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:30:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there is more to the horror story of 9/11 than what the official story explains. Far fucking more. The most blatant bullshit is Building 7's controlled demolition. That one event alone, caught on video, blows the whole story out of the water. The complete story of 9/11 is unlikely to come out in my lifetime, and sadly, maybe never... But considering how this one event created the world as we know it today, with assholes abound both high and low, armed with executive privileges and Kalashnikovs, grinding down the lives and rights of innocents... The world deserves the truth. I hope it comes out one day.
hotstickywaffle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan didn't retire between the threepeats. The famous gambler was caught gambling on basketball, and instead of letting it come out and have it tarnish the legacy of the greatest player ever, they had him "retire" for a while.
DesperatelyStrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not a conspiracy when it's a fact
cornpipe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:07:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think the word conspiracy means?
DesperatelyStrong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh shit. actually you're right now. my bad.
conspiracy = people conspiring right? damn lol. i guess i just associated conspiracy with crazy false idea
NeinNyet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That somewhere in history it will be revealed that the DNC in an effort to satisfy Hillary promised her the Presidency of the United States.
They promised her if she could get her 'street cred' up they would get her the presidency for keeping her silence during the whole Monica thing.
She wanted it in 2k, but they knew the experience thing would effect her. So they got her as a senator and then put her in the chain of command and line of succession later.
The DNC knew she couldn't win in 04, or 08. That's why they backed off her. They promised her if she chilled in 12 she would be guaranteed the DNC nomination over all other choices. DNC had really planned to take on one of the other much more qualified names in the final election.
Nobody really took Trump as a serious challenger, since his whole campaign was based on making sure Hillary didn't get elected. But one by one the religious nuts showed themselves in the RNC and Trump surged.
The DNC knew that 2016 was the last realistic chance to get her elected. She blew it. The DNC gagged our choices. And look how it all came out.
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the Pied Piper strategy of Clinton's campaign manager, as revealed in the leaked Podesta emails.
You will find that it was a conspiracy that got Trump elected, and people behind the conspiracy were - Hillary Clinton's campaign staff.
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
..thats a twist that i hadn't heard.
the above theory is my own thought. and i saw another redditor made a comment that Obama was squelched to give possiblity to his daughters future aspirations. ..to wit, i think that is a very serious consideration. it would be a very large selling point in 20 years.
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shortly before the election, Wikileaks released 10,000 Emails from the Clinton campaign. In it Podesta, Clinton's right hand man, described the Pied Piper strategy. The idea was to make the Republicans nominate someone completely unelectable, a far right wingnut with no appeal to the mainstream American voter. A complete pushover that Hillary could beat without half trying. On their short list were Ben Carson, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. They decided to go with Trump. They told their friends in the media, basically everyone in the mainstream media, to push Trump in the primaries. If you recall, during the primaries Trump could do no wrong, he bragged that he got $3 billion in free publicity due to his brilliant publicity skills etc. Then as soon as he won the primaries, they all turned against him. Literally overnight they went from building him up to tearing him down. If you look at some of the news stories in detail you will see both the buildup and tear down were equally phony. This was the 'fake news' period when they stood up Trump as a straw man.
But in the end Trump won the election. The point is, he never would have got the nomination if not for Hillary Clinton. She is the one who hacked the election.
She also claimed a few days after the election, that it was the Russians who hacked the election and hacked her emails. This is the same woman who said "Wiped? You mean with a cloth?" so not the most computer savvy person.
Wikileaks Julian Assange who leaked the emails, said there was no hack, the information was leaked. After his death he revealed that it was Seth Rich who leaked it.
So no Russian hackers involved in the leaks or in the election. It was all Hillary Clinton, and John Podesta, who used the word "password" as his password on his email account.
DesperatelyStrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not a conspiracy if it's common knowledge
makenzie71 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:16:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar is a Sith.
DesperatelyStrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is da da truuf
futureformerteacher ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:03:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When he started running for president Donald Trump had zero intention of winning. It was ruse to build up his business and TV career a bit. It wasn't until he was contacted by Putin about how to get him into power that he considered actually being president.
He no longer wants to be president, now.
jaie22 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:39:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I generally don't believe in conspiracy theories because, well, have you seen how dumb some of these people are? They couldn't keep it secret if the president had a bout of diarrhea two nights ago.
But there's one in particular that really irks me. I just don't believe that the British Royals orchestrated Diana's fatal car accident in Paris. Not to say that they might not have found it very convenient to have her gone, but there are too many ways she could have survived the collision , or for it never to have happened. If the Royals were going to do it, it would have been more foolproof โ she would have gone down in some completely inescapable way, with no chance of survival, and a vehicle accident just isn't it. People walk away from unbelievable wreckage quite often.
The accident could have been averted had Dodi not insisted on using the driver they did, who was not the scheduled driver for the night and who was known to drive recklessly. Had Diana been wearing a seat belt, given how she was found in the vehicle and what her injuries were, she would have had a decent chance of survival. (Not a great chance, but certainly some chance.) The precise speed, the precise angle of impact, the structural mechanics of that particular car, all played a part in her demise. In other words, there was really no way to guarantee Diana would not survive.
The Royals would have used a more reliable method. A fake kidnapping, a fake suicide (believable due to years of struggle with mental health issues), a random sniper, all would have been much more certain to get the job done. Think of other assassinations like JFK, RFK, MLK, Gandhi. There was no doubt the victim would die. There would have been no doubt, at least about that, in this case either. Doubt about who pulled the trigger or who set them up to do it, yes. But no doubt that it was going to work.
BTW, the ambulance did not fly off for the emergency department because it was staffed by fully-qualified emergency doctors who could do a number of things in the ambulance that in other circumstances and other countries can only be done in a hospital. But they can't do them while the truck is barreling down the road. All of which I'm sure an earlier poster has probably explained in greater detail.
The one conspiracy theory I do believe? "New" Coke. We were never supposed to like it, but it got all the sugar-containing "Coke Classic" off the shelves so we didn't notice the slight change in taste when the old stuff came back, now made with high-fructose corn syrup instead. Not sure it's even a conspiracy as much as it's an open secret.
KTH3000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:39:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NFL is actively manipulating games to get the highest possible Super Bowl ratings. They do this by having the refs favor popular teams or teams in large markets. If you watch teams such as the Patriots you can really see it, but they're not the only ones at all.
For example some unpopular team will have a great play that puts them in position to possibly win the upset. Out of nowhere a ridiculously bad call will be made by the refs that erases the play and kills the momentum. Or more subtle things like the spot of the ball will be placed way back for a less popular team, so they are less likely to get a first down.Or that it's OK to completely destroy some quarterbacks but if you so much as bump into any of the top ones it gets called every time. I feel that it's actually getting worse lately to the point where I can no longer say it's a coincidence.
iAMtheSTEAK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch the bills play. I've been saying it in new york for years. That's all the proof you really need. Just look at any MNF game they play lmao.
Skrillerman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:09:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11
I don't think it's a conspirac-theory anymore . Even 70% of the US population doesn't believe in the official reports .
It's pretty simple actually watching the situation ad a whole :
George W . Bush is without doubt one of the worst people in mankind . There is nothing to discuss about . Betrayed his own country and killed 2 million people in his illegal war . Children , women , men , old and young .
BUT he knew he had no evidence of mass destruction weapons in Iraq . ALL secret agencies as the CIA admitted to this day it was all a big lie and hoax to SOMEHOW justify the war .
BUT bush DIDN'T order 9/11.
It was more like this :
He knew that a big attack was going to happen on US soil . After they found out when and where he did all he could to make it actually happen .
2.They couldn't shot down the planes because they lost track of them . How retarded is that please . The terrorists pressed ONE BUTTON and both machines disappeared from the radar . The nation that spends more money on the military than rank 2-10 COMBINED .
Imagine what Russia would able to do of they can't find 2 passenger machines . They could fly over the US and complete destroy it because they are off the radar . That's retarded and we all know the US' is technology is pretty advanced.
Bush had now his reason to start the war . He Lied 585 on camera about Iraq . 585 breaks of oath .
So what did he gain from it people ask ?
The US didn't gain shit . The war costed 2 Trillion $ . Millions of American lost A LOT . Hundred of thousands went into poverty . The US debt today is a result of the bush politics. The refugee crisis is a result of it .
That's the shady think about 9/11 and the Iraq war . NO ONE profit from it EXCEPT a small group of people . The weapon industry who sold their stuff to the US government AND rebels / terrorists. It's documented that weapons were sold to terrorists .
AND , now it comes , George W. Bush himself . After the Iraq war 28 billion $ went missing from the Treasury . 28 BILLION . Even Wikipedia says that those 28 billion went into the pockets of HIGH RANKED POLITICANS! !!!!!!
Yes , also George W. Bush pocket.
It's not only 9/11 , but all the things that followed that attack and happened afterwards.
One of the most shady things ever happened in the new age .
speak2easy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:16:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the media plays a very active role to subterfuge our politics.
For example, ignoring your pro/con belief of Ron Paul, Ron Paul was dismissed early because "he was a racist", this dismissal was widely supported by mainstream media. Without taking a stance on Trump, Trump does show that the perception of being racist doesn't prevent one from becoming president.
TylerHobbit ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:29:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was a conspiracy of hijackers who used overstayed visas and secretly coordinated the hijacking of jets to attack American buildings.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:35:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Round earthers, I've seen some really convincing YouTube videos and studies to think they may be onto something the flattists don't want you to know.
packasnap ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Pentagon in 2001. A small hole they claim is a plane. No video evidence, all cameras were malfunctioning. Like.... wtf?
Mothra67 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:27:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They confiscated all camera footage, something like 80 cameras filmed it
packasnap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sketch at all
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's damn near impossible for anyone to fly that approach, have read many professional pilots comment on that.
packasnap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! The whole September 11th thing just doesn't sound right but nobody wants to question it keep your head down and follow the leader
UltraDankMemeroo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this one, there ARE security videos of the crash.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:06:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC killed Seth Rich.
lora4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES! I believe this especially after of what happened to a Fox News journalist. He said he was going to investigate it. The parents were on board. Then some advertisers threatened his show and the next day the guy decides to "not talk about it to respect the parents".
mexicomiguel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:52:39 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm seeing this girl who no matter what I say, thinks the moon landing was faked. I would actually like to see it from her point of view, do any of you guys have any decent or informative documentaries supporting the idea that the moon landing was faked?
Just to be clear, I fully believe the moon landing happened. My contribution to this thread: Area 51 is completely real and there is some wild shit being held secret there.
Tsevion ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:59:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone believes the Moon Landing was faked, they either also believe in much bigger, further reaching conspiracies, or they don't think about motivations much.
The USSR had the instrumentation to monitor and observe the Moon Landing. If they had even a whiff of evidence it was fake, they would've gone to town with that to discredit the US. So either there's a much bigger conspiracy and the whole Cold War was being faked, or the Moon Landing happened.
Area 51 (Or more properly called Homey Airport(KXTA) or Groom Lake) is certainly a real facility... it's a remote detachment of Edwards Air Force Base. It's a testing ground for highly experimental aircraft and weapons systems... notably the U-2 Spyplane and the SR-71 Blackbird, as well as various stealth aircraft. In 2013 a lot of the early documents describing its purpose were declassified in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
vayyiqra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One good reason (among others) to believe the moon landing wasn't faked and the JFK assassination wasn't a massive conspiracy is that the USSR would have been all over it as a huge propaganda victory.
crusoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. Some crazy shit if you read declassified airforce reports. Remember the stealth fighter was developed in the 70s and flown for a long time before it was unveiled.
br0kentree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny you should mention those two conspiricies in the same comment but not related to one another. A common theory within the moon landing hoax community (which I don't fully consider myself a member but believe it is not at all far fetched) is that the Area 51 site is where the filming locations and props and so on are stored.
BloodAngel85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government admitted Area 51 is real. They just never revealed what goes on there.
mexicomiguel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should have been more clear with my post. I believe there is some sort of super-classified extraterrestrial shenanigans going on in there.
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:05:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying the moon landings were fake. But NASA is not helping their own case.
1) They say space missions outside the atmosphere are impossible because you would need lead shielding 4 feet thick to protect the astronauts from radiation. When asked what kind of shielding they used in the moon missions they say they don't know, they lost that information. 2) They say they destroyed the tapes of the moon missions. Are you shitting me? We have Columbus' journals and logs from 500 years ago but NASA couldn't be bothered to keep the tapes of the moon missions. They say they reused them and taped over them to save money. Save money? NASA? 3) They also admit they destroyed all the photos and replaced them with replicas.
emperorvincentine ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:48:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United 93 was shot down by our government and not taken down by a heroic uprising of passengers.
longhairedcountryboy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:50:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is the only part of the story that is true. The passengers did bring down that plant. It was going to the third building that collapsed at WTC, not DC as we've been told.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:26:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IthacanPenny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:31:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was never going to the White House, it was going to the capital.
Bizarro_Steve_Rogers ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:26:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't going to be the capital. It was going to be the empire state building.
Uncle_Bill ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:08:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Benghazi is actually a cover up for the executive branch arming factions without congress's explicit knowledge and approval, basically Iran-Contra Part Deux!
orchidred ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:01:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is just a smoke screen for some bigger evil. If we focus on him, what happens outside our focus?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:16:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Professional sports are indeed fixed, or at least deliberately influenced by the interests of people with money invested in them. In the NBA, it's pretty goddamn obvious that certain players get special treatment. Is it a coincidence or just lazy officiating that LeBron gets to travel for 50 steps when he drives? Fuck no. They don't want a well organized team of 5 mediocre guys that methodically play great as a team, they want LeBron traveling from half court doing a windmill dunk so they can replay it on ESPN 1,000 times an hour.
The NFL....CONSTANTLY changing rules to make games higher scoring. Overprotecting "poster boy" players like Tom Brady while Cam Newton gets mugged every game. Watch enough games of less popular teams and you'll see blatant "lol fuck you" moments from the refs. Unexplainable penalties, bizarre "flukes". I shit you not, a few years back the fucking BROWNS have the Patriots goddamn dead to rights. Nope, can't have that. Can't damage the image of the Patriots being invincible by letting them lose to the Browns. Patriots last ditch effort, fade to the endzone, Patriots player straight pushes off and ball hits the ground, should be game over. NOPE! Penalty on the Browns! When the PATRIOTS player initiated the contact! Ball placed at 1, then touchdown Patriots, game over. Completely jaw dropping blatantly obvious rigging.
Absolutely infuriating watching this go on and nothing that can be done about it.
jmbourn45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFuMDUKhrI While it was a bad call, and that game manipulating happens the game would not have been over, and it wasn't even an offensive penalty much less an obvious offensive penalty like you described. The Browns also set themselves up by not recovering an onside kick a couple plays before that.
PiLamdOd ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:51:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Julian Assange works for the Russian government.
He once had a TV show on Russia Today. Meaning he was an employee of the Russian government.
Wikileaks never posts leaks that are damaging to Russia or its allies.
All the leaks happen to be damaging the US or its allies.
Wikileaks timed it's DNC leak at the perfect time to harm Hillary.
There were never any GOP or Trump related leaks.
SirChoGath ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:13:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cake is a lie
SOURCE: life
Trak5u17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you glitch properly with pixel perfect manipulation of the portals then you actually are able to reach the cake in the storage warehouse.
HellaTrill420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:02 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cake in Portal is a metaphor for life, sometimes you can give your all to something but still get shit all in return, even if promised "the world".
Zomborz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:43:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find myself swayed by the 9/11 conspiracy arguments. Too much was too perfect, the way the building fell, the state of the wreakage, the lack of plane parts at the pentagon, the fact nobody acknowledges a 3rd attack happened that day, and the incompetence of Bush Jr.
I just don't buy the story they try to tell, it skips over and tries to make people ignore the flaws in the arguments rather than discrediting them. Twin towers was a incredible demolition, whoever set it up did a great job, but it was a false flag operation to do in Afghanistan what they did in Vietnam; start a war for commercial interests.
Averagepunpun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All you need to know is the truth was told, just not the whole truth.
popcan2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:42:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eisenhower made a secret deal with aliens for technology, leading the way to the computer age. In July 1947 the famous Roswell incident took place, a few months later, in the same year, bell labs announced the "invention" of the transistor. Edgar Mitchell was an astronaut who all but confirmed the existence of aliens, including seeing them outside his Apollo capsule. Paul Hellyer was a former defense minister for the Canadian government who all but blew the lid on alien visitation, but nobody seems to take him seriously. All thru out history, there have been numerous sightings recorded by famous people, including Christopher Columbus all the way to generals, astronauts, pilots, police officers, firemen and ordinary citizens who have witnessed other worldly events. Mufon alone has tens of thousands of recorded sightings including videos and pictures for those who want to research the truth. This is the knowledge that separates the "elites" from the populace. It's the highest chip you can have in the big game.
Tsevion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:05:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be more plausible if there wasn't a continuous stream of theory, discovery and invention leading up to it over 50 years.
popcan2 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were stumped for 50 years, then, bam, a ufo to reverse engineer.
Tsevion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:30:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't stumped though... they were making continuous progress, with the transistor just being another small step.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:55:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jews effectively dominate the world
Scarface_gv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:52:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U mein Freund :3
busterbluthOT ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:48:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love threads like these because they remind me how stupid Redditors are, in general.
Haurboss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:45:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich or another DNC insider leaked the emails. Russia did not hack them
The DNC refused to let the FBI examine their servers. They only allowed Crowdstrike which is a company tied to Hillary Clinton with a history of falsifying evidence.
Newly released computer forensics shows the download speed at which the emails were taken from the DNC server is way too fast to have been done from Russia. It had to have been done manually such as by a simple flashdrive.
Note how the media initially said 19 US intelligence agencies confirm it was Russia. Now the number is down to4. And none of those 4 have provided any actual proof
Even Salondotcom admitted today that it may have been an insider and not Russia.......SALON admitted it.
The DNC is going to come crashing down once it is proven it was an internal leak. The liberal MSM is screwed as well considering how hard they've pushed the Russian narrative. Hopefully it happens just in time for 2018 or 2020
Pylons ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol, this garbage explanation.
Not incredibly surprising if you know the author of that article.
By the way, The Nation is reviewing that article they posted.
tquiz ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:37:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russian collusion with the Trump campaign occurred at some level, we just don't know how high up it went yet.
LordFauntloroy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:24:20 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why this is downvoted. Trump has literally fired people from his cabinet for tying his campaign to russia.
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:39:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any evidence? Anything suspicious? Is there a reason the Russia narrative died awhile ago? Why aren't we hearing more about it?
Acech ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:42:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol.
Airway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don Jr. emails are pretty damning.
Died a while ago? It was confirmed.
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was confirmed? The Don Jr emails or Russian collusion?
The Don Jr emails are real, but nothing has come out of it so far.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:05 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. 3 days a no reply.
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:18 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Story of my life haha.
tquiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really didn't though. There have been front-page developments every week or two for months now.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you realize the DNC came up with the "Russia story" within 24 hours after their loss to help the party recover from the loss... you're a MSM sheep if you think Russia actually rigged or hacked the election or colluded with trump in anyway
Airway ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:38:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don Jr. emails.
You might be a victim of far-right propaganda if you refuse to acknowledge hard evidence.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emails to a Russian lawyer with no ties to the Russian government
If you think that's cold hard evidence... you need a lobotomy
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 19:12:42 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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_Woodrow_ ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:19:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully Pence was involved as well - but it happens after the 2018 elections so we don't have President Paul Ryan either
stupidname91919 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They probably did market research, and gave him a script.
Destroya12 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:53:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that pizzagate has a degree of truth to it. I don't think the particular pizza shop they talk about is guilty of anything nefarious, but I do think that there are some powerful people (politicians, CEOs, etc) who partake in some form of sexual trafficking and get away with it because of how powerful they are.
Think about it. Catholic priests got away with it. Why not a Senator or Governor?
Youngidiot4625 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think so too.
YaBoiChief420 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:14:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know how 911 isnt the top answer. 911 was an inside job and anyone on the fence just needs to watch zeitgeists. or at least research building 7. Maybe the government is keeping it from being top comment (joking). Really tho its so obvious im surprised its not general knowledge by now.
Kirton178 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:23:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Didn't take much evidence for me to believe it, but you can throw all of it at some people and they just make some joke about tinfoil.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:33:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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steeldraco ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:04:02 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Religions are founded generally by someone who wants to sleep with and/or steal money from gullible people. This is how all cults start, and once they get large enough to go mainstream, they become a religion. This has happened dozens (hundreds, even) of times over the years.
The only difference between something like Scientology or Mormonism (which started as cults in fairly recent history and have, by most definitions, become larger religions) and other, more mainstream religions is that the the founding went from historical fact to apocryphal stories. They tend to get the more cult-like parts stripped out over time in order to make them more socially acceptable, like all of the Old Testament's pro-slavery stuff being deemphasized once we as a culture decided that slavery wasn't acceptable.
20YearIBMThrowAway ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:39:53 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That IBM paid $$$ to stage the Watson Jeopardy win.
Because they are still unable to provide that same service (q/a) 7 years later.
Plus its common knowledge that they completely exagerate the capabilities of their 'cognitive' offerings.
BlumpkinProject ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Executive order 11110 got Kennedy killed. Federal Reserve losing control of money printing?...
No.
PuraVidaMae3323 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:56:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 Inside job
parkerthegreatest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:49:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler died in south america
kylenbd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:04:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey guys I'm just commenting so I remember to come back to this post and read all of your thought-provoking content. Thanks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can save it, too.
kylenbd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could've also just saved the link to a note on my phone but I just suck.
drawdeadonk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:11:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm doin this too, been reading for 4 hrs I'm getting tired.
kylenbd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:25 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
E V E R Y O N E
HOP ON THE COMMENT-INSTEAD-OF-SAVE-POST TRAIN!!!
AlgibRocks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK assassination was perpetrated by our government!
mygawd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it was the mafia, not the government
ImOnRedditPeeps ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang it, I'm so late to this game. I truly feel that it's a conspiracy that putting weights on bats for practice swings actually helps your batting average is nonsense. Never been proven, but still happens to this day.... I think the weights,bats,extra bats companies are all in this together.
Edit: I know my comment seems like a joke-- but seriously, that's got to be a mental thing and not a performance thing.
KreegsMcSteves ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:32:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But.. isn't it to make the bat feel lighter to the hitter once they take the weights off? Thus potentially helping their batting average. Still need to have good contact.
goddess_of_fear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:11:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government killed JFK. I mean IDGAF because he was not a good person (look up what the Kennedy's did to Rosemary Kennedy).....but I still think it was an inside job and Oswald was a scapegoat.
runs_in_the_jeans ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:00:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's more to 9/11 than what we were told. I'm not totally into the conspiracy theories, but I also believe there is a lot we weren't told.
Rampant_Durandal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my take on it too.
Barackbenladen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11
insomniacDad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:09:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our mind is capable of transcending space and time. We are suppressed and have forgotten the true meaning of being Human. We chase a dollar to keep this power in the small elite.
Scarface_gv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:47:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please elaborate
HellaTrill420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:18 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES.
If only I could tag my best friend, bloody hell.
We'd be up all night with a entire ounce and 7 crates of Red Bull.
Ssbgonaka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:10:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Rick c137 is the rick of evil morty. And rick performed experiments on that morty, but in turn caused that morty to gain higher intelligence. So he abondoned him. Then evil morty built a new rick to begin his efforts to get revenge on rick, by causing his current morty to turn against him as well.
deathslayer-pcmr- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:29:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizza gate to some degree
MzPxraiDer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:14:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was an inside job. Just think- a planes wing can not slice through meters of concrete and steel beams like a hot knife through butter, it just wouldn't happen. There are also explosions heard just before one of the towers went down, timed perfectly to try and be masked by the sound of the building finally giving in. The US military were also told to stand down even though they had been warned something like this could happen weeks earlier
The610___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the comment I posted about 9/11
MzPxraiDer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's 7 thousand comments here lol
The610___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11
If you read about Operation Northwoods from...
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6tuyxo/what_conspiracy_theory_are_you_certain_is_true_why/dlouqkw
batcavejanitor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:20:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if this counts but if you go to Disney the security getting into the park is minimal. They have a team of nice people that quickly look into your bags and that's it. I've seen some metal detectors but it seems random.
I'm convinced the security is crazy high tech and everywhere you just don't see it. It's "the happiest place on earth" so they don't want you thinking anything scary...but there is no way they trust those monster parks with an old man and a stick poking in my kids stroller.
I've told my wife that I'll bet if I taped a BB gun to my thigh under my shorts that I doubt I'd even make it to the ticket booth. Never had the guts to test my theory though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't rest that theory. You'd ruin it for everyone.
Reala27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Test it, I'm curious...
ePants ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:21:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never believe that 9/11 was an "inside job," but it's a fact that they knew about the towers being potential targets.
I think they had demolition charges installed as a last resort plan to minimize collateral damage and cleanups costs in the event of an attack.
This sounds absurd, but it was a calculated move when you realize how much worse the damage and cleanup would have been if the tops of the towers had collapsed and tumbled into surrounding buildings (which is honestly what would happen if the upper quarter of a building is compromised while the foundation and lower half is fully intact). It was like an insurance plan to ensure that if the buildings were hit there'd be the minimal amount of damage and fastest cleanup.
All the coincidences about certain people not being there that day are just that - coincidences. All throughout history there are odd coincidences. What's not a coincidence is two buildings collapsing from the ground up when the damage is at the top - that's just breaking the laws of physics (or a controlled demolition).
Chillvab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:18:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The small fudge poptart boxes (boxes of 4 packs), contain pop tarts that are significantly lower quality than those of the fudge pop tarts in the big boxes in order to make you buy the bigger boxes.
Hear me out.
I pretty much each 2 packs of these pop tarts every day and it's almost undeniable at this point that the pop tarts that come out of the smaller boxes taste and look like shit compared to the big box ones. Over the past three years, I have been keeping track of which boxes or what types have shit pop tarts and which have good ones. I've had many failed theories, but I think I've narrowed it down.
At first, I believed it had to do with different editions of boxes. When I started noticing, it was the boxes with poptart cartoons/comic strips on them which had shitty poptarts within. The ones with good poptarts always had an ad for a giveaway, and no comic on them. At this point in time, I hadn't connected the quality of poptarts to box size. My initial theory was that it was a ploy to make you enter in their giveaways, as the good poptarts only had the ads for the sweepstakes.
Until, one day, I bought a box and it had a new giveaway advertised. Something about winning $100 online. I opened the box and instantly new they were shit poptarts just by the look. But how could this be?! The sweepstake boxes were always high quality?!
Not anymore. My reality had been shattered.
I took a step back to evaluate, and come up with something simpler. I determined that it probably had to do with the batch it shipping in, and/or the factory it came from. Then I did some digging into the situation and realized that this probably isn't the case as some of the comic boxes came from the same place as the big boxes.
Onto my latest, and most proven theory.
So, I then took ANOTHER step back. Maybe there was something I was missing? After buying two more boxes, one large, one small, both advertising a giveaway, it finally came to me.
IT WAS THE BOX SIZES!!!
I opened the small box, shit poptarts, big box, good poptarts! I then followed up later that week and it was the same thing. It must be a plot to make the consumer buy more expensive, bigger boxes. Saboteur!
At least now I am able to rest easy, knowing the truth. To all you fudge poptarts lovers out here, stay vigilant.
In addition, this is untested with other flavors besides fudge poptarts. I am not liable for any wasted money if results aren't consistent with other flavors.
Starkville ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:51:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to upvote this because. I've also come to believe that the takeout Chinese is not as good as when you eat in the restaurant. Coworkers and I noticed this; when we went into Imperial Dragon and sat down to eat, it was delicious and there was more meat/shrimp. When we ordered delivery, it wasn't as good and fewer meat/shrimp.
Makkapakka777 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:55:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 9/11 was an inside job.
ripharambe2018 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Jesus lives in a moon base built by the Nazis on the flat moon which also doesn't exist because it's a hologram created by the CIA which is secretly run by Kermit the frog to spy on people that oppose Chem Trails which is secretly poison and is all related to A marketing scheme by Febreeze so we can "Breathe Happy"
natural_hunter ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:35:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally there's a sane person on the internet.
humma__kavula ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:13:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump does not really care so much about the middle class and is in politics to enrich himself and his friends.
LemonLimeAlltheTime ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 20:29:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro it's a conspiracy thread you're doing it wrong
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:18:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Trump was running for election last year, some viral facebook post was going around with a picture of Trump and it said something along the lines of, "If Trump came to your house, how would you entertain him?"
The responses on this viral thread were a lot of country things like "We'd shoot guns" or "I'd take him fishing", and things like that. Nothing wrong with those things at all, but those were the responses.
It truly amazed me that anyone from rural America could look at him and think, "yeah, he's just like me!" I'm from rural America. I understand that Obama probably wasn't listening to their concerns, that's fair, but the fact that they all seemed to think he's a good ol' boy like them is insane. I just don't get that part. He's a NY billionaire. He was born into that. He has literally nothing in common with country folk.
GoatTheArtist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:51:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's something I've had trouble understanding too. I have family from rural southern-Illinois who are teachers that love Trump. I cannot fathom how they think even for a second that "Small loan of one million dollars" Trump gives a shit about the middle class.
SJ_Barbarian ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 19:06:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't so much a conspiracy theory as much as an established fact.
fortunateladi ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:00:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well obviously.....
BloodAngel85 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:42:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same as every other politician
MartinBrodyMcFly ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 04:38:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone ganging up on trump missing the real problems with the fed
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Since the inception of this country, the central banks have always been a hugely unethical entity. Today, they have the power to control our lives.
Ignorance is pretending the problem is with dems vs repubs, whites vs blacks, gays vs straight, men vs women, THEY are doing it to us.
NaughtSleeping ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:05:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck thinks he cares about the middle class?
humma__kavula ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:15:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people in the lower middle class.
DwayneSmith ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:08:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://giphy.com/gifs/no-what-sd6MXy73D00py
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think that?
humma__kavula ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same reason I think dogs really just want your food and aren't really interested in being petted by you.
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though. Do you have anything to back this up?
humma__kavula ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Observational inference. I mean what at all about this dudes life makes you even think in the slightest that he wants to help people?
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He gave up the life of a billionaire in his 70's to become the most hated man in the world.
This isn't just a thankless job, it's likely the most stressful job in America. Why would someone give up so much to do it? The money? He's got that. The power? He had that too.
There's a better argument to be made that it's all about his ego, and that he only wants to make the country great so that he will be remembered as a great man.
That's a conspiracy theory I can understand, because Trump certainly has an ego.
humma__kavula ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:51:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When has having enough money ever stopped someone with enough money from trying to get more of it?
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know lots of people who retired. Most did so before 70, and with a whole lot less than a billion dollars.
How is spending millions of your own money to run for president (a job that doesn't pay very much) economically beneficial to someone? He knew his chances were slim.
I mean, if you have a theory that Trump has an Obama-style slush fund then I'm all ears. But as it stands now, I'd imagine him being president has hurt his business far more than it's helped. His buildings are all located in large, liberal cities. Didn't they take down a few "Trump" signs near a few of his buildings?
Airway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
19% of Rosneft would be pretty beneficial.
The vastly wealthy and powerful don't often just retire like normal people. They didn't get there by being satisfied once they had enough.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Obama was forced to be pro Hilary instead of Sanders despite talking about how she wouldn't be a good president before he was first elected.
I firmly believe he was pro Hilary in the recent election because he cares about his daughter's future political connections and that was threatened
xllcyllx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:52:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK shot first
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only real answer in the thread.
iwillripyou ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:17:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything about Metal Gear Solid is real
RYAN_BENJAMIN ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:55:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "conspiracy" about JFK is 100% the real account IMO, the direction his head moves after the shots, eye witness accounts of smoke coming from the grassy knoll, in still pictures, pretty much everyone at the scene is looking towards the grassy knoll and that LHO was himself killed.
The conspiracy is the "official version" the truth is the "conspiracy."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RYAN_BENJAMIN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:55:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched this video on YT, while not impossible, it was highly unlikely the shot came from a storm drain.
silentbob_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:25:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SETH RICH!
mdlewis11 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:23:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None. Because no two people can keep a secret.
LilyFaye91 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:28:43 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can if one of them is dead
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:55:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or if neither has the full, true story.
vxicepickxv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False. 2 person integrity is required for classified material.
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they are not secret. This thread is proof of that. Many of these conspiracy theories began within days of the conspiracy as smart people spotted the flaws in the fake narrative.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theFunkiestButtLovin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gas pumps require your zip code for credit purchases because otherwise having to enter a pin was a reason to pick credit over debit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theFunkiestButtLovin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gas station owners prefer you use debit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The credit card companies probably prefer it but the local gas stations probably prefer debit because it's cheaper for them.
blacksabbath1970 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That companies decrease the quality of their products so they break and you'll buy a new one. Not so much a conspiracy as fact but I know many people who refuse to accept this.
longhairedcountryboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a conspiracy but maybe more than a theory.
SimonetsBalls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens
annissocoollike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That JonBenet Ramsey was killed by her mother, and her father helped cover it up.
Taman_Should ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jimmy Hoffa "disappearance" was an open-and-shut case, but it was spun into a mystery and a conspiracy to drive a wedge between organized crime and the Teamster's Union, in a plot to deprive the union of funding, and this was done by circulating rumors and false information.
Don_Cheech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here we go dives into post
TheGarp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler caused the Hindenburgh explosion.
Here's why: At the time, Hitler was ramping the Uboat fleet. The only real way to watch for and defend against them were with blimps. Planes cannot just loiter and hang out for long periods of time in the air watching for uboats.
So, Hitler had the Hindenburg rigged to blow up once berthed, taking out resources to launch and tend to blimps on the east coast. Or, he meant for them to appear too dangerous to keep using and we would stop using them. But, it went off too soon.
beccafawn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't any of these be good? Like there's a conspiracy to get us to love each other through pictures of puppies and kittens?
Logan_Hugman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was something else that happened that lead to him taking a hiatus. But you're right. It had nothing to do with baseball.
slka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if this qualifies or who already mentioned it, but I'm pretty positive that b**** Courtney murdered Kurt Cobain. Watched several documentaries on the subject and there are just too many uncanny coincidences/instances of botched police work.
SonOfTheLivingGod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illuminati , Librarians secretly rule the world
CANT_MELT_STEELBEAMS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I even have to say it?
djover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all of the answers in /r/AskReddit threads asking for your secrets are being kept and tied to the responders.
DontPetTheLlama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one where
schomerica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tommy Wiseau is an alien who made a movie showcasing human life called "The Room." He directed, produced, and acted in the movie. If you've ever watched it, you know it's far from normal. Wiseau has a particularly ambiguous past, from his source of income to grand purchases.
There's no way a person thought "The Room" was a great dramatic masterpiece. Only an ironic comedy.
jackneefus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written during Jesus' or his followers' lifetimes. Some make references to his brother James and to Paul as an opponent.
In order to prevent this interpretation from becoming widepread, the document team dated everything they could to a century earlier via a number of questionable interpretations, some of which have been reversed. Also prevented outside access to the documents for decades.
Sounds very DaVinci Code, but it's hard to know what to make of the behavior otherwise.
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like interesting stuff, got any links?
jackneefus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of this is from Robert Eisenmann, a scholar on messanic Judaism, early Christianity, and Islamic law, who helped get the scrolls publicly released. His view is in the minority.
James the Brother of Jesus is the central work. It is dense but the material is fascinating. He also has a lot of stuff of YouTube.
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One theory that makes sense is that the books were hidden away in 70AD during the siege of Jerusalem. After Jerusalem was sacked many were never recovered because the people who put them away were dead.
jackneefus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They may not all the same source. Some may be from the Qumran settlement.
But the Copper Scroll is pretty clearly from Jerusalem. The attempt to declare the treasue list a fantasy and place it in Qumran seems far-fetched and motivated. And many of the documents are very clearly from the Roman period.
Tettamanti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lotion cartel puts ingredients in lotion that makes you need more lotion. I've used very little lotion in my life it my wife uses multiple times every day and can't live without it. Skin softness is no different between us.
queensage77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found Adam Corolla
awaywardsaint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's supposedly debunked but Michael Jordan's mid-career "retirement" from the NBA to play baseball was actually due to suspension from NBA for gambling.
maggotshero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard this one was like half true, they were going to suspend, so he just decided to retire and go play baseball
Shrigis_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am 100% convinced that Courtney Love is behind the death of Kurt Cobain. There is a mountain of evidence to support this theory, all of which can be seen in the documentary "Soaked In Bleach". Which follows the investigation of Kurt's disappearance from the private investigator Courtney hired. It exposed the many lies and coverups by the police and Courtney Love.
LordIlthari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything evil in this world is the result of ___________ and we must stop them!
klipoch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced the HVAC and power companies bred and released millions of stink bugs so everyone would keep their windows shut and AC on. I don't remember stink bugs being so present when I was a kid, but it seems like they're everywhere now
MrGalecki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Verizon overcharging people on data. No matter how much data you purchase, you're always going to go over by a tad. Enough for them to keep adding on the fees.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bigfoot, they haven't seen him, but they haven't caught him yet.
FaroutIGE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"wash rinse repeat"
we don't need to repeat. they want us to run out of shampoo in half the time.
RJwhores ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flight 93 was shot down by a missile (air force fighter pilot)..
TheGreenestGreening ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that common knowledge?
BolivarTheLiberator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smart phone batteries and/or OS updates severely impact performance around the 2 year mark in an effort to get you to buy new phone.
TheGreenestGreening ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:28:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My iPhone 5 still killin the game
Rob3125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Buu Saga was a middle finger to the fans by Toriyama for not liking the direction of the manga after the Cell Saga
WhyNoLoveForManix2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney love killed kurt cobain
TheRealSilverBlade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The banks don't want the average person to gain too much wealth, so what do they do? They create a financial crisis every once in a while by pressuring governments to deregulate certain aspects of the banking industry. Once they have the pieces in place - they pull the trigger.
They never want the average person to be able to pay off their debts, so they create situation after situation to make it happen.
The banks WANT you to be in perpetual debt, so you are effectively a slave to them.
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never enter debt and this never becomes a problem. I don't even use credit.
HaveaManhattan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what really happened when JFK was murdered, but I don't think any of the theories make that much sense
tigerstef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kenneth Lay faked his own death.
He was about to spend the rest of his life in prison. Remains cremated, buried in an undisclosed location. Oh, and the doctor who certified his supposed death was a lifelong friend.
Ohb9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain didn't kill himself. The documentary Soaked in Bleach is pretty eye-opening. I suspect Courtney was behind it. Kurt in interviews had talked about future material and his death was a complete shock to Dave and Krist, who knew him very well. Also if I recall correctly, the amount of heroin he supposedly took before shooting himself with a shotgun was enough to put an average person into a coma.. There's no way he could've taken it all and had enough time to shoot himself..
CodeWeaverCW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:31:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that it's wholly intentional whenever Burger King comes out with a new side and one of them "accidentally" ends up in my normal fries (as a "try me"). It happened too consistently with the same sides at certain times.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Little Caesars purposely cooks way less $5 hot and readys now that they have their upgraded $6 hot and ready pizzas. Usually people don't feel lik waiting 5-10 minutes so they just upgrade
breakbeats573 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rap music is a conspiracy to keep the black man down
Ganaraska-Rivers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or make him look stupid and annoying.
DartFred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan was suspended for two years while in his prime because he got caught gambling on his games. He retired so the NBA didn't get destroyed in its aftermath.
frostythedragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the American government really caused the tragedy of 9/11 to further ignite a war with the middle East to get American minds off the fact they're fucking us with more taxes and laws that don't matter for the funding of a senseless war.
IFearEars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US government has the cure for cancer but it's more profitable to keep them coming for chemo
jylny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem with this one is there's no one "cure for cancer". There are so many processes that can go wrong that even if we "cure" one sort, the rest are still screwed.
hah98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney killed Kurt
gordorodo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:50:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Noob-noob actually is The Vindicators' biggest enemy under disguise.
ccidaho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that there is only one Olsen twin and she's moving back and forth to make people believe she is two.
BADMANvegeta_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was some kind of foul play during the JFK murder and the events that followed.
Finito-1994 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's there's actually 32 flavors of ice cream.
PM_REASONS_TO_LIVE_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That there is no reason to live.
๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:01:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name checks out
PM_REASONS_TO_LIVE_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
indeed
Fawkeface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is the theory that Courtney killed Kurt not on here?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you read the replies in this thread... I hope to Reddit god that some of these people aren't serious about their theories.
The610___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11
If you read about Operation Northwoods from the Cuban Missile Crisis, you'll notice some eerily similar plans to stage a commercial airliner crash in Florida. Blame was to be put on Cuba so that the Kennedy Administration could gain the support they needed to invade cuba.
Fast forward to the Bush administration, and you have the same senario. Bush has stakes in the oil industry and wants to mess around in the Middle East, so what does he do? Rips a page out of Operation Northwoods and rallies behind the anger of the American population.
Fun fact. Dick Cheney ordered NORAD to stand down ON 9/11 before anything went down, an order that has never been given in the history of USA.
MzPxraiDer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I said but with more intelligent stuff lol
DippStarr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anthony Scaramucci is actually Patrick Bateman of American Psycho. The timeline matches up, the sharp dressed good looks match up, he worked in finance in New York, and he adores Donald Trump.
NoobGaimz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MH-370 was planned. Why? There was a dude on board which wanted to make a patent for a microchip that you can implant. Guess who has the patent now? Rothschild. They are behind many thing. Just look up all the people that worked once for them and where they all are. French president macron for example.
Lexienator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pockets on women's pants are purposely small to force them to buy purses. I own men's skinny jeans and they have regular pockets so it's not because women's pants are tighter than men's.
doopitydoop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Kobain never killed himself but rather was murdered by orders of his psycho wife. If you don't buy it watch Bleach on Netflix.
Sunshine145 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does an anime have to do with Kurt Cobain?
danny2787 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Workroom Ru and Judging panel Ru are the same person. Never seen them in the same room.
Salmoncubes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's cliche, but 9/11 was a false flag attack to rally public support for continued middle eastern conflict. It all fits just a bit too well together. A magical fire-proof passport, missing frames from the Pentagon's cameras, and of course, the physics-defying WTC7 collapse.
Think about the aftermath of the event, and consider the fact that false flags are not uncommon events orchestrated to change public opinion. Look back to Turkey's last "coup" attempt, which resulted in more authoritarian rule. The Russian apartment bombings starting the 2nd Chechnyan war. What makes 9/11 and the subsequent PATRIOT Act (which otherwise would be considered a blatant violation of the US Constitution) and wars we still fight to this day.
sp-aceb0y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that courtney had something to do with kurts death & he didnt kill himself.
i_like_pie_and_beer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no goddamn way the Egyptians built the pyramids by themselves. It just doesn't make sense.
changerfett ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:57:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the stone used to build the pyramid is made of something other than concrete or sandstone. It needs to be a chemical that can last millennia
i_like_pie_and_beer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That, the size of the blocks, the perfect shape. The intricate passages inside of the pyramids. Everything about them just raises more questions
changerfett ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:09:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I like to watch ancient aliens.
chiliedogg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ken Lay faked his death. He wrecked the economy, defrauded thousands of employees out of their retirement, and died just before going to prison and the body was quickly cremated.
WaffleMonster42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it would be far off the "conspiracy" vein to say that Omega watch company payed NASA to have their watch worn by astronauts and have the speedmaster as the claim to being the first watch worn on the moon. During NASA trials the watch performed poorly. NASA astronauts didn't like the watch as it was mechanically inept. Buzz Aldrin was quoted as saying it was "a lousy watch to have" (funny he's now a spokesperson for them now). Another astronaut, Gary Cooper wore his Omega Speedmaster on one wrist and a Bulova Accutron Astronaut on the other in a 1963 mission to see for himself which performed better (the accutron was the direct competitor for Omegas speedmaster in who was to be chosen for the official nasa watch). Well, long story short, the Omega failed catastrophically on launch (from G-forces affecting the hairspring) as he had reported to NASA (the report only came out much later) and the accutron astronaut watch worked perfectly (while also performing a mission critical action, the only MCA to be performed by a watch in space also). That accutron more than likely saved his life. It's strange to think that while you have proven technology such as the accutron movements/watches/clocks, why would you need something else (and something else that has been seen to fail in real life scenarios)? I believe they already used accutron clocks on board the spacecrafts dashboards as well. Why would NASA allow their astronauts to wear substandard equipment in place of state of the art tech that works perfectly and without fail? And all those years leading up to the moon landing in 1969? I find it hard to believe that money was not involved. Don't get me wrong, I love the Omega Speedmaster, but at the time, it was not mechanically qualified to go to space as it was to be in the driver's seat of a sports car.
throwayyyy888 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same "conspiracy" theories get posted and upvoted to the top so people will see the same ol' stories, get bored, and not even bother scanning some posts that might actually be true.
AdamJohansen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eveyone on Reddit is bots but me
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CrispyChinClub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can Occam's razor still be incorporated in today's world?...serious question. That philosophy gives reasonable accusations loss of credibility, because it's easier to expect nothing happened rather than something.
As for Aliens Im going to try and stay with-in the Occam walls. Our species has two ways of leaving this Earth, with the use of technology. Either together by space or extinction If we use this as basis for conscious evolution throughout the galaxy. There would be likely more species who left their solar system by united commorodry. Rather than those species who left their planet after complete domination, that is to say they didnt cause their own self destruction before hand.
Now take those who left, say over the course of however long, and they meet with similar beings. Which ones would form an alliance? If they meet the opposite of beings, who would have more allies? Over time which kind of beings would grow in numbers?
Here is where I break the razor. I think there would come a realization, on both sides, that species can be influenced but not shown how to leave their home. If say the dominion beings give the knowledge to a group who didn't have dominion traits than they give more numbers to the opposition. If the live and let live beings gave knowledge to a species unfit they risk destroying a planet.
All this can go a whole lot of different ways. Maybe we have not been in contact with aliens. I just know that if they are out there, the size in numbers lie with those who are peaceful.
Jgabes625 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nfl games are predetermined
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That this thread is made by the government to find out what we don't know.
alberthere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the 80s, Coca-Cola used "New Coke" as a way to switch from sugar to high-fructose corn syrup to save money in the long run by lowering costs.
http://blog.hornellp.com/theexaminer/who-doesnt-love-a-conspiracy-theory
lnickelly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stevie wonder ain't blind
Shananananenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anyone here is certain of a conspiracy theory, they were part of it.
Gipro1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be pretty certain that the Illuminati is as crazy a thing as the internet says it is.
hudepe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:34:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the Saudis are in bed with Israel. Both openly pushed to affect the US-Iran relations.
Major sources that ISIS funding is coming from the Saudis.
There is proof that Israel did pay ISIS combatants to not destroy pipelines.
Some ISIS combatants crossed the Israeli border to get health care.
with the recent tension between Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Israel bans Al jazzera which is owned by the Qatari government.
heybingbong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our internet has been going in and out for months - we've been power cycling at least once or twice a day. Cox calls to promote some shit and I say "we're not really interested in upgrading considering we're barely getting the service we already pay for", they say "well since you're not renting a modem from us for 500x the actual price of the modem, we can't ensure that you will receive the service we're providing". So we buy a new modem, but never end up hooking it up because the internet has been connected flawlessly ever since that phone call.
I don't know if there is even anything they could have done to "fix" whatever was going on before, but I am convinced that whatever it was, we called them on their bullshit.
Kiemal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the fast food industry is not as unhealthy as people make it out to be. The idea being that local or sit-down restaurants and supermarkets will see an increase in business if they convince the masses to stop eating fast food.
I just cannot buy the idea that french fries can be super unhealthy in a place like McDonald's, but if you buy them in Walmart and make them at home, it's fine. Same thing with hamburgers or chicken.
fr_animal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Thrownawayactually ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Folks with hell a time on their hands.
My tinfoil thingy? Nancy Grace kidnaps kids to keep herself in business. Prove she doesn't.
alimeer123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:52:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit exists primarily as a paid tool to push website traffic. It's owned by a billion dollar media company and I don't see Reddit Gold as being enough to pay for servers, staff, rent, utilities, accountants, lawyers
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royeiror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "plane" that hit the Pentagon was no plane. The wreakege shows no plane fuselage.
Nox_Stripes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Dutroux affair, its just too suspicious to not be true
homelesswithwifi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:35:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no doubt that Jordan retired and went to play baseball because he got caught up gambling on games. I'm also a lifelong Bulls fan who grew up watching their titles.
Trekiros ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Governments all over the world are making education worse and worse with each year because stupid people's votes are easier to manipulate.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole cell phone revolution is the result of people not wanting to catch aids from pay phones. Even though science dismissed the opinion that aids could be acquired from casual contact like a pay phone, people refused to believe it. Cell phone manufacturers leaped at the opportunity to cash in on peopleโs fears. Now there are more personal cell phones, with pay phones rapidly disappearing.
TehDerpNinja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:30:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens, because aliens
Meglomaniac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:54:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that micheal jordans swap to the mlb for a year was actually a hidden suspension for gambling agreed upon by the nba leadership/ownership to prevent smearing their game and the greatest ever forever.
Fokthegulf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:33:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Secret That Communists Don't Want You To Know
daddyblackwell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:15:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scientologists run the entire government. Just read a thread about it tonight from an AMA :)
SingSongSnappy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:25:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what the theory is on this one, but if believe it.
The disappearance of William Tyrell in Australia.
Little boy was 'taken' from his grandmother's house - on a dead end street - while his mother, sister and grandmother were in the house.
The identities of his parents are a secret. They can't be named for 'legal reasons'.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2663210/william-tyrell-how-a-boy-vanished-into-thin-air/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:39:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA knew that the space shuttle Coumbia was doomed from the launch. They watched from the launch video, and saw the piece of foam insulation break off from the Space Shuttle external tank and strike the left wing of the orbiter. They didn't want to cause panic among the crew and their families.
r4it21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most recent coup in Turkey was a false flag. No one is so incompetent.
mcwilg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incompetent to let it happen, or to let it fail?
sweetlolamaraj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women's pants are purposefully made with small and fake pockets to boost the sales of purses.
protoke4w ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:46:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan's "retirement" to play minor league baseball was less than voluntary.
arroquetz4d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:47:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government asks this question on Reddit every week to know what we know
Cyrado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the famous "Covfefe" tweet was a satirical joke made by one of Trump's social media staff members. Essentially instead of saying "ridiculous media coverage" he (or she) intentionally said "ridiculous media covfefe" because they knew the tweet would end up in media in the anti-Trump campain set up by most of the major mainstream media corporations, thus proving the media covfefe was ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:10:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Khitomer was an inside job. But good luck getting the High Council to admit it.
Cyrado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 9/11 and or Pearl Harbor was another iteration of the Northwoods operation. For those who don't know what Operation Northwoods was, it was essentially a false flag operation by the U.S. Department of Defense to commit a domestic terrorist act and blame it on Cuba to justify a war. It was turned down by JFK (just one year before he was killed but that's another theory for another time) but who's to say presidents before or after him weren't as clean. From the released documents detailing the Northwoods Operation we know what the government is capable of. I'm not saying this is fact but it's something to think about.
pdhot65ton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could Pearl Harbor be an iteration of a plan that started with a plot to start a war with Cuba? Pearl Harbor happened 18 years prior to Castro's revolution.
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what he means is that Pearl Harbor was a false flag event similar to the later suggested Operation Northwoods. If so, Pearl Harbor (or events before that) would be the starting point with later operations (Northwood, 9/11) being iterations of it. It was just a fluke of grammar and placement.
lazylowerlip2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:30:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nonsense Poopie Pants
KicksButtson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:47:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the cover for the song "Blinded By The Light" by Manfred Mann's Earth Band (originally Bruce Springsteen) there's some controversy over what exactly the lead singer says...
According to the lyrics he says... "Revved up like a deuce another runner in the middle of the night"... But it certainly sounds like he says... "Wrapped up like a douche"
I believe he actually said the word "douche" by mistake during the first live performance and just decided he'd keep saying it that way so it wasn't obvious he misspoke. From then on he had to say "douche" whenever he sang the song. He clearly says "douche" no matter which version you listen to.
Lard_Baron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:53:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reagan and the GOP cut a deal with Iran to retain the hostages so Jimmy Carter would loose the election.
I'm not sure what Iran got out of it but Iran releasing them the day of his inauguration is a hell of a coincidence.
Starkville ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial sweeteners are bullshit.
jackishere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:13:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Clinton had Seth rich killed
AtxD1ver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:16:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toyota was slandered in the media after GM was bought out by the government. Right after Obama(come back) became president and GM was bought, they needed to boost domestic car sales because the auto industry is a huge indicator of how we value our stupid economy. All of the sudden there was this accelerator pedal (mechanism really, they said they couldnt get it out of gear)getting stuck on tons of toyota cars. They lauched damage control, it was all over the news, recalls, and they did an economic tailspin. Im not saying there wasn't an issue. Just that the majority of consumers never saw the redactions and the vast number of claims that were false. We did see an improved economy and a new interest in domestic cars. All at the hand of the 4th branch.
dontbethatguyever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:20:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Titanic was actually swapped with the damaged Olympic in the days preceding its launch in order to claim the insurance money previously denied the Olympic when it crashed into a military vessel and found culpable for the accident on its way back from sea trials.
Dubanx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:22:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure the US government manipulates Google and other search engine results to hide leaked classified documents that portray the US in a negative light..
So many leaked wikileaks documents have basically disappeared from the internet. If you look up a lot of these things you'll get results that are completely inconsistent with what you would expect the search engine to return. More like it's manipulated than unclear.
Think about this. If you bring up a leak that isn't super well known people will demand a source. Of course, because of the search result manipulation it's virtually impossible to find a source on a lot of these things.
Thus it becomes nearly impossible for the internet to "remember" these events. Anyone that tries to propagate them is discredited because it's basically impossible to look up past events that the government has covered up.
Footinthecrease ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plane they claim hit the Pentagon, didn't. It was obviously a smaller plane or weapon. Tough part is there are some crazy theory's about that day, that this one gets over looked.
magnora7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Rothschilds run the finances of the British crown and effectively control it, and have for almost 150 years. Evelyn Rothschild was knighted 1989 for exactly that.
alanmagid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Cheney and neocons conspired to start the Iraq war by lies about threats of WMD. His company made billions electrocuting US troops in the shower.
slowshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a fact, not a conspiracy theory. There is a difference.
jcacedit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:57:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George W. Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein tried to assassinate his dad. https://oig.justice.gov/special/9704a/05bush2.htm
slowshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole mess started with the death of Osama bin Laden's (step/half) brother Salem, a partner with the Bush family in Arbusto oil.
Waitwhatsmy_username ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joe Biden is a pedophile and the Pizza Gate is sort of true. Just watch this video, made my stomache turn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwXweiRjckI
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He seriously would not stop touching those girls.
FlagAssault ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was inside job
CodyCus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
7/11 was a part time job.
Number_04 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spectrum is throttling my interent. (Rip league and netflix)
copperbonker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:47:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole bottle flip challenge was started by big bottle.
onetwopunch26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Underneath the Denver Airport is a government doomsday bunker. I realize how blatantly ridiculous that sounds but there is in fact a very large government complex under DIA and they don't let anyone go down there. We are talking several square miles people.
Funny thing is I'm not even a conspiracy guy but this one just seems legit to me.
xNine90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a /r/nosleep story with a similar idea. Instead of a fallout shelter though, DIA contained a base for inhuman beasts underneath it.
onetwopunch26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has, without question, some of the strangest art work of any airport I have ever been in
xNine90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the most interesting.
CMcCord25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LBJ killed JFK, because LBJ was a crazy power hungry guy and he was the only one who benefited from JFK's death.
nmac57 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A11U45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try cia
James_Posey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no evidence to back this up, but damnit, do I believe this:
Google Maps, Waze, and all their competitors do not give you the best route to get to your destination. They purposely send everybody on specific roads in order to divert traffic away from what is actually the optimal route. This way, the roads are clear for those that work on these apps to drive traffic free wherever the hell they choose. Bastards.
pedromorads ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTC Attack! Because there's a lot of ambigous information about it!
BryanDaBlaznAzn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No planes struck the WTC towers and the Pentagon, all an inside job
CodyCus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is video the planes hitting the towers. Could still be an inside job, but it was planes lol.
BryanDaBlaznAzn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the pentagon at least, I could not make out a plane, and the hole in the side of the building did not look like that of a plane
CodyCus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I can see where you are coming from there.
thewendigo098 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gas stations within close proximity of each other will purposefully switch the buttons when selecting your fuel grade, or in other words the regular button will be on the far right at one gas station, but the far left at another nearby gas station.
This way you will fuck up based on muscle memory and select the more expensive grade accidentally, thus paying more without realizing.
CodyCus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain did not kill himself. He was murdered. There was so much heroin in his system that he should have died from that, and he could not have even held the gun, let alone pull the trigger.
Edymnion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keanu Reeves is the Wandering Jew.
mtfbwyjw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying 9/11/2001 was an inside job... but there are a lot of things that don't make sense...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the Russian Intelligence Services, including Putin and his inner circle of Chekists, had something to do with 9/11, and that 9/11 was part of a great agenda of this same group of Russians that includes, among other things, the hacking of the 2016 elections in the US and all over Europe, supporting and funding the alt-right movements and using RT as a foreign propaganda outlet to spread Kremlin lies all over the internet.
Don't get me wrong, it was al-Qaeda terrorists who carried out the attack and killed thousands of innocent people, the finger should forever be pointed at radical Islamists, but lets just say they may have gotten a little help and/or "inspiration" along the way.
What's interesting is that the one country that NEVER gets mentioned by 9/11 conspiracy theorists is, you guessed it, Russia.
Exhibit A:
http://www.businessinsider.com/exploring-al-qaedas-murky-connection-to-russian-intelligence-2014-6
"There is no such thing as a former KGB man."
SirSmeagol85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9-11 was an inside job carried out by terrorists. Too much money to be made by going to war for people with large defense contracts with our military, and the Middle East was already an unstable area. When in doubt follow the money trail.
Midnight_Morning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
COINTELPRO is still active but under a different name.
CG9789 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Australia (not sure about the US since it's a lot more sensitive) it's largely believed the US government planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks
skinwalkerstalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you sign the release papers to take your baby home their is a part that states that the child is government property. We just feed clothe and raise them sorry for any spelling errors
NeinNyet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:00 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gold and silver were never the real assets of a country.
the population is the real asset to any ruler.
TalkingFromTheToilet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:56 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs actually was going to cure his cancer with that wacky diet, but he got wacked by an even wackier force... BIG fucking PHARMA
RareLemons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:52 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I firmly believe that, whether it was planned or not, the federal government is happy that 9/11 happened.
jnb64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:17 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just true. 9/11 is the best thing that ever happened to George Bush Jr.
Legend-of-Wyatt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:04 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't make sense how would he find time to be a lizard when he is already D.B "zodiac killer" Cooper
the_gift_of_g2j ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:15 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Area 51 is not where the aliens are. It's obviously a cover, but where are the aliens/UFOs?
Denver Airport.
Underneath it is also the bunker for the important people of the U.S such as the president or whoever in case of a nuclear war.
reluctantdragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:44 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this movement with the confederate monuments and maybe even the stuff with Korea is meant as a diversion away from some serious shit USA is planning or in the process of doing..
Redbulletpai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:52 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The book: The Poetry of Kings: Wives & Consorts, is written by an immortal being and contains hidden illuminati code hence why it's used by elites and celebrities at ritual parties.
famnf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:28 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 9/11 was an inside job. Because in 1998, three years before the war in Afghanistan started, several oil executives testified before Congress that they had all of their oil and gas contracts in place but they couldn't develop them because of lawlessness in the region. They told Congress that they needed Afghanistan to have a functioning, internationally recognized government before they could move forward and develop their oil and gas contracts.
Wulfman97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:22 on September 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certain that the conspiracy theory behind aliens and advanced technology is true. My reasoning is simple, when you live somewhere that the sky is clear most nights and when you are out away from light pollution and you see physical shifts in the sky that aren't normal and you have people with you who also see it happening it's kind of hard to deny that there is advanced technology or more intelligent life forms.
Dark-Savage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:09 on October 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That public schooling and minimum wage jobs are meant to dumb us down and distract us from what our government is really doing to our world and easily have control over us while maintaining the illusion of freedom temporarily. If we're not dumbed down and incapable we can't defend ourselves, if we don't have time to innovate and have our own way of financially prospering, we're stuck in an endless loop of job after job until we die in a lie. Anyone who hasn't conformed to their way of life is an enemy that must be eliminated immediately.
๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:40 on October 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 53 days late on this post pal
IfMyAuntieHadBalls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:49 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toblerone went smaller to get us to buy more
GritBusters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:24 on November 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mandela Effect (I'm a baseball fan and went to a Catholic school)
CIA and deep state targeting left-wing populists (Arbenz, Mossadegh, Sukarno, Lumumba, Allende, Romero, Ortega, Wellstone, Chรกvez)
Chelsea32123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:48 on December 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organ trafficking and harvesting in the United States
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:25:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is suffering from dementia. Not really a conspiracy, but compare the way he talked in the eighties: he was articulate, smart, charismatic. Nowadays he's a shell of his former self, and I bet there has been a great effort to tone him down now that he's POTUS.
3kindsofsalt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:32:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know any people in their 70s? Dementia is a severe condition, but old people are just kind of batshit. My dad's in his 70s and my mom has Alzheimer's and lives in a dementia ward. Lots of old retiree types in the town I live in. Trump, and most other big wig politicians are old and crazy in a way that is very normal but not suited to such a high performance job.
It has become a job best suited to a man about 40 years old.
DM-Hollens-117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:42 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our he's 20+ years older and grumpy. My grandpa was the same in the 80's. Now he's a grumpy old man (just not to me, he likes me)
QuincyQuickQuestion ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:37:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but Trump wasn't any more articulate in the 80's.
Do you feel the same way about Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi, though?
sakurashinken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:41:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the final plane on 9/11 was shot down by the us military. The whole "lets rock" story of the passengers storming the cockpit sounds so fake.
razorbackgeek ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:49:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced Hillary had something to do with JFK Jr's death.
He was supposedly going to run for senate, which would have put him against Hillary. He had 310 hours of flight time. Plus knew the area well enough to navigate. She's Hillary for gods sake. She can't tell the truth for lying.
nowforthetruthiness ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:16:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She also assassinated Robert Kennedy and MLK Jr. Don't believe the fake liberal media lies that she was too young, or wasn't there. How hard would it be for an ancient demon which can copy itself?
She's also currently playing the roles of Putin and Kim Jong Un, trying to start armageddon. For the Jews. And Muslims. And....cannibalistic pedophiles.
razorbackgeek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:12:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She had to rig her own parties election to get nominated. She wasn't even phased that it got out.
darthatheos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:23:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate change's effects are part of an overarching plan to free up the Northwestern Passage for use by corporations to easier transport their goods.
Amelora ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:24 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this one, and that there's a lot of precious minerals that can only be mined one the ice caps melt
darthatheos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:32:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine the riches that can be made off of the methane pockets in the permafrost.
Amelora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:03 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not saying this is the reason, but someone is in line to make a ton of money from the death of the plant
sardinez ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:13:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We cant kill this planet. We can change it sure. Make it toxic, inhospitable. But that will not destroy it. Life goes on, it always finds a way. Our human lives as we know them, and perhaps most other life would die out, but life adapts. Look at life in there mariana trench, the deepest, darkest abyss known to man. No sunlight, little vegetation, massive amounts of water pressure - and yet life finds a way. No, we can't destroy this planet. But we can destroy our place on it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:17:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chinese government flooding the USA with fentanyl and carfentanyl to kill off Americans as payback for opium war and economic warfare.
jfarrar19 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:03:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the Brits....
DANarchy1919 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good work. Open and shut case here.
ZacharyRoyBoy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:43:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11. I can't help it.
-There was literally no plane at the Pentagon
-The towers fell perfectly in their own footprint, in the style of controlled demolition
-Building 7 fell in the same way, for no apparent reason
-Mohammed Atta's passport was found in the rubble (seriously?)
The list goes on and on. I'm unable to believe the official story
piangero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not from the US and with limited knowledge of 9/11, but the Pentagon thing always intrigued me. How come there was so little coverage of this? (Or was there a lot of coverage? I don't remember). Did they end up rebuilding the entire building? I feel like, whenever there's a 911 documentary, they hardly talk about the pentagon. Infact, most of what I've seen from the pentagon was that weird edgy conspirary theory with that track from the Fight Club sountrack or something.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably watched Loose Change. Go watch Screw Loose Change. There was a plane at the Pentagon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shes being kept in a tunnel at area 51
edit: /s is probably necessary.
AntiFarkRedditor88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or some NASA facility.
EminemLovesGrapes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:19:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the American public or at least the gullible ones are manipulated by something or someone.
The fact that the whole SJW culture is causing the divide between people to grow.
I'm just wondering why? Is it to push even more laws? To destabilise western cultures?
jonseagull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:20:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and Yes.
XIII_THIRTEEN ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:52:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is at least some truth behind pizzagate, there are simply too many coincidences and obvious child sex code words. I know were some crazies especially with the whole comet whatever pizza place, but it seemed like they were only used as a way to discredit the actual truth there.
Yesman69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:30:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was 0 evidence of anything of the sort. The "code words" were so far-fetched that it was laughable.
XIII_THIRTEEN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:05:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were literally code words previously found in use by child sex rings a few decades ago. Hell, some of them are in use by us. Have you never seen "cheese pizza" to talk about child porn on the internet?
Yesman69 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never have. But I did work at a pizza place for a few years, and cheese pizza was said about 200 times a day and written down almost non stop.
XIII_THIRTEEN ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:55:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's lovely, but irrelevant. At any rate, calling these code words too far fetched is like in 2017 calling the idea that a nation would genuinely enstate this crazy idea called communism too far fetched to ever happen EVER. It's cool if someone thinks that, but it kind of already DID happen is the thing. What I'm getting at is almost all of the alleged code words have genuine historical use in other child sex rings. Do you have anything to say about that, or do you just want to talk about your old part time jobs?
Yesman69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:38:16 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I wasn't going to reply because this is ridiculous, but for real.....
So because a few decades ago the term "cheese pizza" was used to talk about child porn. So then you guys drew the conclusion that this pizza place in DC must be a child sex ring because they also used the term "cheese pizza"... and what else? Is that it? Because if that is your only evidence then you are reeeeeeaaaallllllly looking for it. By that logic, anyone ever that has used the words "cheese pizza" should be investigated for child pornography.
And let's go a little further into this. According to the conspiracy, it is all being held in the basement of Comet's Pizza. There is no basement there. Someone even went as far as to go into the pizza shop with a weapon and tried to "free" the children, only to find out that there is no basement, and it's just a fucking pizza place.
Do you ever actually think about what you believe? Or do you just read something and go "yup, sounds about right" and that's it?
XIII_THIRTEEN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:07 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaah. I forgot about that. Heres the thing. Pizzagate is NOT about comet ping pong. That place is not the main focus and that place is not why pizzagate exists. We drew some connections and found some shady stuff unrelated to the emails, but that has never been its focus. When that guy with the gun went to comet ping pong, mainstream media started painting it like that restaurant is the one main focus, making anyone who believes pizzagate seem crazy.
Pizzagate started when people found these suspicious words in John Podesta's emails from wikileaks. That's what I was referring to with the codewords. People found more and more connections (this part of the story is where I stopped participating because it got too real) between top DNC staff and child sex felons. There are some plausible legitimate reasons that Comet is suspicious (and not because they sell pizza), but I won't talk about them mainly because I haven't been closely following pizzagate in a long time and I don't know them.
Tl;dr- mainstream media has been dishonest about what pizzagate is and that caused a misunderstanding.
Puncomfortable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The emails never use "cheese pizza" they only talk about regular pizza. And the source that claims that hotdog, pasta and walnut are a code comes from 4chan and has no source. Not too mention they all conveniently mention only words from the emails and no other code words as if it's written specifically for the conspiracy theory. And finally, why use a code that's public?
Haurboss ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:25:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate
Podesta is a creep and for damn sure a pedo along with his brother
Hillary has an awful lot of odd connections with human trafficking in places like Haiti
Alefantis, owner of Comet Ping Pong, is basically a blatant pedo on his Instagram. Oh and funny how the gunman walked in and out of all the places to shoot in a restaurant he shot the hardrive of Alefantis computer which was in a random closet.
Mothra67 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate is real
Haurboss ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:35:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure
The fake shooting at Comet Ping Pong basically sealed the deal. The elite wanted to end that discussion REAL QUICK so what do they do? Place a fake gunman (who btw was an actor according to his own facebook and also got a slap on the wrist for the whole thing), have him go in and destroy the hardrive, and then surrender. Then the narrative switched from pedos to "gun violence in the US".
All of a sudden Alefantis pedo ass became a victim -_-
The dude Alefantis had freaking singers in his pizza place talking about having sex with kids while on stage to the crowd. Normal people wouldn't hire freaks like that to entertain them.
Puncomfortable ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:33:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That guy only acted as an extra in a B horrormovie. What actor chooses a job that gives him 4 years in prison as his role in a lifetime and why would people even hire an actor to do the deed if that is suspicious? It's also not as if actors can't be crazy either (there are a ton of crazy actors, some who have killed and most famously there is John Wilkes Booth). If normal people would be turned off by edgy singers they wouldn't visit those shows. If you are hiding that you are creepy you wouldn't show off the creepy thing in public.
Mothra67 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:39:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need to see Podesta do a perp walk before I die
1791_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
every day I wake up grateful he's not our sitting secretary of state...
DesperatelyStrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uk had that scandal as well. the rich and powerful doing what they want
EllOhEllEssAreEss ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:21:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Clinton is a rapist.
TwitchyGerman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:43:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a thread for conspiracy theories, not proven facts.
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:30:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
>proven facts
>doesn't provide any proof
Really activates my almonds
Qulijah ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
>calls out people not giving facts
>doesn't provide any proof himself
Really rustles my jimmies.
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:51:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone makes a claim, it's on them to provide sources.
Besides, you can't prove a negative.
Qulijah ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:53:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's just making a joke, why are you expecting a wikipedia article?
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a joke, nutjobs on the right actually believe this shit.
Qulijah ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and you believe you are being cool trying to get facts and evidence to support a conspiracy theory.
Rickmi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That My Neighbour Totoro is connected to the Sayama incident or something similar. The sisters being dead and Totoro being a death god or bad omen or so.
It's just that I felt some scenes were kinda weird/creepy so I googled an interpretation and found some really elaborate theories about all that. They sounded just too perfect...
Yes there's a statement from Studio Ghibli denying those theories saving their heartwarming mascot. Still I kinda refuse to abandon the theories...
BloodAngel85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a kids cartoon, people need to stop looking for things that aren't there. That's like Spirited Away representing human trafficking
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wind is rising is one of the saddest movies I've ever seen, so I would be willing to consider this theory true. Ghibli isn't happy-go-lucky all the time.
steampunker13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:35:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is sad Ghibli, and then there is Grave of the Fireflies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't watched it! Because I've heard it's dismal.
the400blowjobs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's good though!
Umpalumpa117 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:00:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Hitler escaped to Argentina. Although I'm not 100% sure it would make a decent amount of sense. Firstly the bones the Russians found were not that of a man as the teeth I believe were found to be from a woman. Secondly I believe I saw somewhere the CIA had files mentioning him up until the mid nineties. Thirdly I believe it to be entirely possible to have escaped through Hamburg or to have gone through Austria (where some Nazis fought even after the war ended) and into Tyrol to escape. Fourthly the CIA could have used him to hold influence over German scientists from operation paper clip.
Note: I am not a Nazi nor do I support any effort from them in modern times nor attempt to justify or glorify them in the past.
iBeavy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:02:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I really have to be the one? 9/11 was most certainly an inside job. That is all.
wdaloz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon is actually a transparent ball of water.
Fact 1. It follows the tides
Fact 2. It's transparent- when visible in the day you can see the blue sky behind it.
Fact 3. Its light is cold (like ice, which would explain the freeze thaw behavior of the moons phases). This can be proven by looking at weather data for cloudy nights vs equivalent cloudless nights, where the moonshine clearly is reducing the temperature.
Fact 4. If you analyze the spectroscopic emission of the sun you see elements H up to Al due to fission, that's what makes up the sun. Doing the same toward the moon returns evidence of refraction from water.
WAWDoing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:18:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fact 1. Because gravity.
Fact 2. It's transparent? That makes no sense, because then light would pass through it even at night. That blue haze you're seeing is the freaking sky between you and the moon, visible now because it's day time.
Fact 3. Its light is "cold". Yep, going to stop there with that nonsense.
Fact 4. If you've ever analyzed the spectroscopic emissions of the sun and the moon yourself, I'll give you $5.
ChilieMacPalmer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:15:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you don't really believe the moon is a ball of water lol. It has craters and mountains and valleys that you can see with the naked eye. And the only reason the moon looks blue during the day is because the sky is blue. And only some of the visible light from the sun can refract through the atmosphere during the day.
TheAmazingBlambino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Olsen twins are not twins. It's just one person moving really quickly side to side
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:55:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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stupidname91919 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this as well.
eunit250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are they unsustainable?
Vpantha ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:37:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We share this Earth with many other beings from different dimensions or planes of existence. Just a lot of times we cant see them but when we encounter their presents we are labelled crazy, weird, odd and issued "medicine". Theres a lot more around us than we know.
Bizarro_Steve_Rogers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man
i-Was-A-Teenage-Tuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never gotten any presents myself
Vpantha ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:52:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon is an extra terrestial being space station. Many accounts from many tribes stating there was no moon before a big catastrophe. Just like Earth it is very hollow.
http://www.pravdareport.com/news/russia/10-10-2002/13385-0/
http://humansarefree.com/2014/05/earths-moon-is-hollow-space-station.html?m=0
Lirvag_The_Nisio ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:20:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government is putting chemicals in the water that turn the frikin frogs gay!
TwitchyGerman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gay, but a lot of estrogenic chemicals from plastics, pesticides, and fertilizers seep into the water supply and cause more female/hermaphrodite frogs than natural.
k3dabra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Saville recruited Fred West at a Black Magic Bar party in 1981 to help him procure and sacrifice children in ancient Druidic rituals designed to ensure the longevity and continued global influence of Queen Elizabeth II
nothingnessventured ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:38:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
James Earl Ray didn't kill Martin Luther King Jr. unaided.
ritarue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't read all the way through but JFK is my answer. My mother's deaf uncle happened to be in the area at the time. Saw two people on the grassy knoll with cases (violin maybe?). Next thing he knows, everyone is going crazy. Looks up, sees them putting something back in the cases and leaving. It was documented in books by because he was deaf, no one understood / believed him at the time and his "story changed" because they had multiple interpreters once they did actually start talking to him.
nhaines ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:24:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also known as "my deaf great-uncle."
ritarue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:56:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The period goes outside the quotation mark.
N0OeInParticular ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:02:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney Love definitely killed Kurt Cobain.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that traps are gay
mrbrightside3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK and Abraham Lincoln challenging the Federal Reserve. Only presidents to be assasinated
VIIX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're the only two successfully assassinated. Plenty of others survived attempts...
Rampant_Durandal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone forgets about McKenzie and Garfield, though Garfield was assassinated way after he was president.
Pylons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did JFK challenge the federal reserve?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. government either manufactured 9/11 or allowed it to happen. A plane piloted by a man with little experience who was a bad pilot performed an 8000 foot 270 degree descending corkscrew to smash right into the Pentagon destroying the financial offices THE DAY AFTER it was announced there would be an audit of the $2 trillion missing that the Pentagon was responsible for? This is just one of many insane coincidences that make me very very suspicious the story as told is truthful.
akatherder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:38:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 time...
I believe the US military shot down United 93 to keep it from crashing into its target. That was the plane that crashed in a field Shanksville, Pa. I wouldn't necessarily even condemn them if it's what happened, considering the alternative.
In that vein, this video from the BBC has always bothered me https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8-Ttk1WD_A
After the plane hits you can see a black circle zip by from the top left to the bottom right. It is traveling much faster than the plane and comes at a very unlikely angle/speed to be shrapnel. It doesn't look like a bug that flies close to the camera (to me) because it doesn't seem to ever appear in front of the buildings. It looks like a projectile far away that appears from behind the buildings.
Not really a theory... but how the hell do we not have any footage of the plane crashing into the Pentagon? There's no recording devices around the Pentagon?
bivenator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is one camera that functions apparently it's the one on a guard shack and it shows a plane but it's not what hit the pentagon
RamenJunkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jackson was murder because he held the rights to the Beatles music catalog and someone really wanted them.
Pickle9775 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:48:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Yuri Gagarin was not the first man in space, but the first to survive a round trip. I wouldn't put it passed the Soviet Union to just keep sending people to their deaths "in the name of progress". There are also journals of Radio enthusiasts who would pick up odd broadcasts of people screaming and then suddenly going out.
SuperCPR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced pill birth control is a conspiracy. I think it makes people "relatively infertile." Waaaaaay below Poverty level can't afford birth control so the multiply like crazy. Those below poverty are frequently considered unintelligent and easily incentivized by low cost methods(i.e. we give you cheap shit so you'll look the other way while we pass these laws or get away with something way bigger) meanwhile the rich who already control the lower class can afford to pay for the meds/tools to get pregnant even after taking birth control pills.
derpman86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:59:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sort of believe the theory that many obnoxiously wealthy and powerful people know we have royally fucked the planet and are currently riding the waves of luxury and carving out eventual safe zones for themselves for when civilisation collapses from the dramatic shifts in climate expected over the next 100 years.
The data for climate change is there also I recently visited Mer De Glace in France it is terrifying how much that glacier has shrunk in 30 years and personally it is hard to be a denier after being there in person and yet really fuck all is being done to hold this off.
thatdude473 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty convinced that hitler escaped. It just doesn't seem possible that he died in 1945 and we have no proof either way
dgrace97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weed is illegal to keep for profit prisons full, which keeps the owners richer which allow them to give more "donations" to the politicians willing to ruin people's lives for a profit.
๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woo front page! This blew up while I was asleep :), rest in peace my inbox
arma__virumque ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
H1N1 (swine flu) in like 2012 was a government tactic to distract the public from... something. I know because I faked having it to get out of school. I felt totally fine, but when I went to the doctor she SUSPICIOUSLY quickly diagnosed me with it.
RossDaily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you just came across a hyper paranoid / irresponsible physician.
arma__virumque ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
50/50 shot
Se7enLC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon landing was faked, because otherwise we would have been back there.
I just really want somebody to "prove me wrong" by getting back there.
toni-pepperoni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind it is super expensive to go up there and there isn't that much to do once we are there. We have pretty much done all we need to and aside from the novelty of having a man jumping around there we can just have drones do everything for us. USA beat the Russians in the space race and now that's over there isn't much of a reason to show off anymore.
I get that it is awfully suspicious but when you think about it there are plenty of reasons why we haven't been back.
acideath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting there was nothing but a pissing contest. But there was more than one moon landing, there were 6 moon landings. So they did go back, 5 times.
Going back now isnt really needed or warranted until we are ready to set up bases there.
HatMaverick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:50:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say donald trump didn't win the presidency and only got in cause of russian meddling but that's more of an obvious fact than a conspiracy at this point
RememberOJ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:54:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the US government knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor and let it happen so they could enter WWII.
Watched a show on History channel or something that detailed all of the different radio intercepts that we received that told where the Japanese fleet was and where they were headed.
JonWicksawaymoisture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a book called Day of Deceit that puts all the info together to show FDR engineered the attack
vayyiqra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe the vast majority of conspiracy theories (and I enjoy reading about them, so I am familiar with most of them) but I find it plausible that Vladimir Putin orchestrated the apartment bombings as a casus belli for the Chechen war. Dude is shady as fuck.
Oh, and he tried to meddle in the 2016 election, but that's not even a conspiracy since Russia was barely trying to hide it.
thudly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump & co. are actually robbing the country blind and using all these apparent political bungles and faux pas as a massive distraction. Everybody's horrified at his apparently stupidity and ignorance, but if we ever found out the full truth, we probably think he's a genius.
bunny_munroe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:57:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk exactly what the conspiracy behind it is but the fact that after the U.S. killed Osama Bin Laden they dumped his body into the middle of the ocean, under cover of night, then offered little to no explanation. Then if I recall correctly, a few weeks after he was killed a Chinook with something like 16 special forces members (including those who killed Osama) randomly goes down killing a bunch of them. It was all too convenient. Obviously the government was tying up loose ends. But why?
-Dunnobro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:48:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe modern schooling is woefully inefficient, with the majority of teachers capable of being replaced by pre-developed lesson plans, cheap online courss, or having their curriculum phased out altogether.
But no politician or journalist wants to be responsible for the loss of jobs, or 'attacking schools.' So it gets a free pass. Everyone knows a teacher, and doesn't want to hurt people they know.
crapslock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes a lot of sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your plan may not work that well for elementary or high school kids. Maybe for college level and above.
uovamilque ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:43:20 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putin and Trump are in a homoerotic relationship, Putin calls Trump daddy. They make sweet love to Careless Whisper by George Michael.
baliball ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:48:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the towers were destroyed by a professional controled demolition on 9/11. Not the "inside job" nonsense, but that all sky scrapers in nyc, and possibly the world, have "self destruct" charges planted at time of construction. This is to allow safe demolition in just these circumstances. Could you imagine the towers just burning for days and weeks, collapsing slowly ontop of everything else.
crusoe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:36:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trade center was designed to pancake down it's concrete core just for this reason. It was designed to fall down not over. The architects admit it and are happy it worked. No charges needed. Once one floor collapses the mere weight of it falling causes the next and the next....
baliball ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:26:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then theres the opinion of a few demolition experts who died shortly after interviews saying it was a controlled demolition. Yours does seem more reasonable of a theory. I just prefer the fiction of those fire fighters sacrificing themselves to trigger the self destruct and save the city, over just wasted lives in a sensless tragedy. Also it utterly stupifies the "truthers" when you throw a crazier conspiracy theory than theirs at them in response. TL:DR I concede you are most likely right, but only if you concede you are definitely boring.
Pikesmakker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think every skyscraper in the world has secret explosives embedded in them.
baliball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More willful cognitive dissonance. Instead of just thinking it I choose to believe it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:19:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate. There's too much proof out there for there to not be any truth to it.
zanshinmu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:26:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the words 'proof' and 'truth' mean what you think.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:37 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
P2
YetAnotherGilder2184 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:30 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
L6
TreeBaron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K18
malexj93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:32:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Checkmate
peachflowercrown ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 because science
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:57:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the Jewish community control the world man. And I'm Jewish!
CrispyChinClub ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:56:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way...youre telling me the religious sect that is also an ethnicity, killed its own kind to win over the sympathy of the world? Who were granted their 'homeland' as an apology? Who now have an automatic anti-Semitic response to anybody questioning motives? The most who own corporations/banks/media?
I say I need facts, give me some history books to read wait...who owns the most of the publishing outfit?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jfarrar19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, of course it was planned. Do you think you can get 11 people together to steal and suicide planes into buildings in a matter of hours?
georgefakesthemoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Throwaway account because shame.
I genuinely believe we never went to the moon. I understand there is a metric (imperial?) fuckton of evidence that says I'm wrong but I just can't believe it happened.
I also question 9/11. I don't know what I believe is true, but I don't think that those planes brought down those buildings. I kind of hate myself for even thinking this.
DrTenochtitlan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious questions:
1) If you don't believe in the moon landing, do you believe people went to space at all in any capacity? What about the Soyuz program, or the Space Shuttle program? What about astronauts currently on the International Space Station? Do the doubts involve astronauts landing on the Moon only and come down to things like computer technology or the Van Allen Belts? If man were to successfully land on the Moon or Mars today, as is planned in a few years, would that do anything to change your mind, or would you still be skeptical of those accomplishments as well?
2) How do you counter the fact that we literally have telescopes powerful enough now to see the actual landing zones on the moon from Earth, right down to the flag planted on the moon and the footprints of astronauts? Granted, you can't do it yet from your backyard, but it's quite easy to bring people in to major observatories to view this live in real time. Given the impossibility of any type of control over a situation like that, how could it possibly be faked?
georgefakesthemoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) It mostly has to do with the technology at the time. If someone were to walk on the moon tomorrow, I would believe that that happened. I don't doubt that we put men (and monkeys and whatever else) in to space at the time, but I just can't wrap my head around getting man on to the moon and back safely based on my understanding of the technology available to them. Also, the fact that putting man on the moon was so important and then we just never went back? It doesn't make any sense.
2) I feel like you're asking me how digital images could be faked and that seems like it's a question that answers itself. I don't necessarily know how those telescopes work but I assume it's a digital zoom lens (more or less?) and not optical, so the digital images that they're showing could be altered.
DrTenochtitlan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, let me see if I can address some of your questions.
First, if you can launch a living person into space and get them safely home, it's not that much more of a stretch to get them to the moon and back. Certainly propulsion isn't the issue, because if you can get to space, inertia will carry you there and back. Computer technology WAS a big issue, because computers in the 1950s were huge, usually the size of a room. A big portion of the budget went to computer companies like IBM that worked on miniaturization, until they managed to produce the world's first computer that was a around the size of a milkcrate. While even a modern non-scientific calculator has more power today than that computer, it was incredibly powerful at the time. The actual computer program for the Apollo rocket has been declassified, and you can go online and actually look at it. You can literally go through line-by-line and see how it could run everything, and many computer programmers have gone in and done just that. Remember that the creation of this miniature computer by IBM would be commercialized after the end of the Apollo program and helped to create the entire modern PC industry. Nobody doubted the power of the home and business computers created just a few months and years later. As a comparison, the computers on the Space Shuttle (which we think of as far more advanced) also were incredibly primitive, with the equivalent of only about one percent of the power of an XBox 360. The entire spacecraft ran on just 1 megabyte of RAM!
Now, why didn't we go back? There are two big reasons. The first was expense. At it's height, the Apollo program was a HUGE portion of the national budget. Every single Apollo rocket cost billions of dollars in today's money, and the money spent on development was incredible. A program of that magnitude simply could not be sustained. Remember, we went to the Moon several times, not just once. Secondly, the reason we didn't go back was that it was believed the next logical step before returning to the Moon was to create a reusable space ship and a space station for near-Earth research. This was the Space Shuttle program. It certainly had a number of huge successes, but it never really became a cost-efficient way to get to space. In fact, it was shown to be substantially more risky than just using reusable rockets. In the meantime, companies like Space-X have managed to bring the costs of getting rockets to space down to just $133 million dollars per flight, so this has become a vastly more affordable way to get to space. That's why it's now being pursued for the Mars program. (By the way, the first manned test flight for that spacecraft is coming up in just a year or two.)
Now, with regard to telescopes, you're right, most telescopes now work on a digital zoom. However, so do most modern television cameras. It's one thing to create a special effect for a movie, but imagine I wanted to create the appearance of extra players in a football game during a live broadcast. Could you do it? Possibly. However, it would take incredible expense and a huge amount of foreplanning. Now, could you do it in such a way that you could bring an amateur in to operate the camera and have them point it wherever they want, creating that effect live in the camera's actual viewscreen, and only at the appropriate time, and then do it from any camera in the world of that power simultaneously everywhere in the world? The answer then becomes no. If I were to walk in to any sufficiently powerful telescope on the planet, in any nation, I could see the moon landing site. For that matter, the Russians have taken photographs of the landing site and acknowledged the validity of the claim. Given the stakes and embarrassment this caused them, why would they concede this if it wasn't true?
DDSloan96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention the massive amounts of people involved in the apollo program that would have to keep their mouths shut
Pattriktrik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Clinton's have their own personal hit team and that the list of peoples deaths and "suicides" of people who were digging into them and their charities is ridiculously long... There was a huge list floating around a while ago of people who died under mysterious circumstances who all were connected to the Clintons, either they were investigating them, we're planning on exposing them for something, people who publicly bad mouthed them the list goes on and on...
Also "all natural" doctors have been dropping like flies over the last couple years due to mysterious suicides and deaths!
Also this page was probably done by some alphabet agency
toekneeg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we have entered into some alternate timeline in which Donald Trump is now our president.
fitalt47 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:56:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was a false flag
SwallowTheTruth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they knew about it but let it go so they could fast track the patriot act that was written before the attacks...
ChickenInASuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they knew something was going to happen but there were so many holes in their investigation that they couldn't tell what, and got blindsided by it.
Kirton178 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:52:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really disappointed this isn't further up on the list... it's like, what more do people need to believe it was a false flag?? Just watching the towers fall is basically enough, then top it off with molten metal found in the rubble several days after. Umm, jet fuel doesn't burn that hot bro. Thermite does and the reaction caused it. God damnit, this topic gets me fired up, I'll stop there.
HKHunter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:43:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of it has been debunked, again and again. You just don't look for / read those articles. I'm always interested in conspiracy theories, most of them are cool, but I always try and debunk them before I start believing anything. In pretty much every case there are far more rational people offering answers to the 'evidence', especially for 911. Challenge me and i'll show you a more rational counter argument. Thermite, anything.
Edit: Here's one for free... the only evidence he uses is stuff you can google yourself in a second. https://mylespower.co.uk/2012/11/24/debunking-911-conspiracy-theorists-at-ground-zero-on-11092012-part-3/
euphoria110 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 22:31:35 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree the thing that makes me laugh is when people say it couldn't be true because it would mean too many people keeping a secret. Have people not looked things up and found out it has happened multiple times in the past. Maybe not as big but really doesn't mean it's not possible
fitalt47 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:36:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I don't think many people are covering it up. The beauty of conspiracies is that the best ones require very few to know and have malicious intent. For example let's say person x gives money to terrorist cell y and tells them how to hijack a plane and fly it into a building in X's country. Only one entity would have to keep quiet and many would work in their interests and be complicit without knowing/understanding the full grasp of what they are involved in.
bruce656 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:33:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, nah. I'll trust math over conspiracies.
fitalt47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MKULTRA was hidden for years without it getting out.
By the time the gulf of Tonkin incident was brought to light it was too late.
Obviously I am in the percarious situation where I can't show you any conspiracy theories that were kept secret.... because well..... that defeats the purpose ahaha.
Averagepunpun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was exposed during the first few weeks, a majority of the US believed the attacks came from within. It was thanks to "WMD" that the general public shifted their focus to the Middle East. Nothing we can do about it since its in the past, but false flag operations remain a real thing (and probably even more so)these days.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it was carried out by the CIA, their job is literally "to do terrible shit and tell no one about it..."
bruce656 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your conspiracy theory bullshit nonsense becomes a lot more convincing if you don't mix up 'there' and 'their.' ๐
wurrboutit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did people start talking about the moon landing being a hoax? Does it matter if something is revealed if it is labeled as crazy by 99% of the media?
Yesman69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the moon landing was not a hoax
wurrboutit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How long after the moon landing took place did the conspiracy theory start? 3 years 8 months?
Yesman69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am seeing that it was mid in the mid 70's so yeah that sounds about right
wurrboutit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So about the amount of time such a secret could be kept secret - according to the math based article posted by u/bruce656
Lupusam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that the biggest evidence that the moon landing did happen is that there's no way the Soviet space program could have been fooled with a fake film and a dud rocket, so either they were in on it and the number of those needing to keep the secret is vastly too low or Russia worked out it was fake and never said anything for no reason.
Yesman69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By that math you are correct, but by all the other math and evidence that proves we did go to the moon. There is far more evidence to prove that we did, than there is to prove that we didn't.
Kaiern9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are there really any comparable situations? Give me an example of two please, seems interesting.
wurrboutit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Manhattan project maybe.
Yesman69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That still wasn't super secret. There were whispers of an experimental bomb but nobody could confirm it until... well.. you know.
fitalt47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gulf of Tonkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
Operation Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Gleiwitz incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
Russians Shell Mainila https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila
Reichstag fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
Project TP-Ajax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Kaiern9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, interesting.
fitalt47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure man.
My personal take on conspiracies is just to know what the government is actually capable of. For some reason before researching the stuff that I did I just assumed they were always benevolent but the world just isn't like that.
There are people that will shoot you in an alley for 500 bucks (arguably all of us if pushed to that point), but there are also smart and benevolent people working in the government that do nothing but strive to help others and lead courageously.
People are people and people run the government so as long as people themselves are capable of conspiracy so is the government.
Kaiern9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a mature and realistic viewpoint, and i find myself agreeing.
Paladar2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pearl Harbor, Hitler burning the Reichstag.
hadesthief ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:23:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pearl Harbor wasn't a false flag. And Germany at the time was in a very different situation than we were during 9/11.
Paladar2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are evidence that lead to believe Pearl Harbor was in fact a false flag.
hadesthief ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:38:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot more evidence pointing to Pearl Harbor being the result of months of careful planning by the Japanese Navy, combined with negligence from the US Navy.
Yesman69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In fact, one would say that there is only evidence to point out that it was an attack carried out by the Japanese navy, and only speculation to say that it was a false flag.
hadesthief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems to be a trend with conspiracy theories.
imagine_my_suprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck did I know ordering this post by controversial would have this on top. The worst part is even if something happened to indefinitely prove that the 911 report was BS and massive cover-ups happened, it's been long enough to where people won't care. I just will never understand how so many people can put so much trust in an organization run by people who are dishonest and greedy by default. Fuck is wrong with people.
fitalt47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's another conspiracy theory.
3rd parties vote manipulate to propagate certain narratives here, on youtube, etc.
dolbyscott ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 20:20:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much evidence, so few with open minds ๐
Lordidude ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:17:07 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The minds are open. But not so open that your brains fall out.
ryallen94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes nice quote but isn't it just as delusional to believe everything your told ? I mean look at historical conspiracies that came out as real, such as mk ultra.
Pretty sketchy precedent set there that the government isn't your friend, so why instantly debunk future sketchy events ?
Lordidude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:30:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By your logic the earth is also flat because mk ultra happened?
imagine_my_suprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deflection. Let's compare something plausible to something preposterous to manipulate readers. Fuck off dude.
ryallen94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:21 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is one more plausible than the other ? I would say the government secretly practising mind control, is on the same level of wtf, as a flat earth.
Only difference is one was proven, and one wasn't . I'm not even trying to say that the flat earth theory is true, I'm simply stating that if you can't trust the government in one aspect, why can you trust them in any other aspect
ryallen94 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:38:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes same principle applies, how do you know for sure the earth is really a globe ?
Not saying I'm a flat earth believer, but me and you have no evidence to prove it eitherway, other than what we have been told by government approved sources, I.e NASA
Lordidude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:41:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA is the only source of evidence?
This is a parody of critical thinking.
ryallen94 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:48:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No ofc not NASA Is one of the government approved sources though, which is the type of sources I'm assuming you believe, which is why I mentioned it .
There are alternative sources that give evidence to support the flat earth theory also, so I fail to get your point.
But your missing my point though
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the type to believe in conspiracy theory but the conditions that allowed 911 to happen just seems so unbelievable. Almost all of the fighter jets the air force had was unavailable in one day and the terrorists managed to choose the same day to attack?
Lordidude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before 9/11 there were barely any fighter jets available since there was no threat.
You are comparing their presence during 9/11 to it's consequential increase in numbers.
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By unavailable, I meant they were all sent out for exercise and the ones on standby had no live ammunition. The 2 or 3 jets they managed to send was desperate enough to consider sacrificing themselves by bringing the hijacked plane down with them. Of course we all know they did not even manage to reach those planes in time. The entire country did not have a SINGLE jet on standby that could deal with any form of threat from the air and saying that is out of the norm is an understatement.
Lordidude ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:14:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As it was every day before 9/11 for decades. There was never an aerial attack and no need to waste money on a potential one.
If it literally happened any other day before 9/11 the deniers would have the same "proof". This means that the air force was not involved at all since it didn't do anything out of the ordinary.
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That simply can't be true. An Airforce of a first world country does not have fighter jets on standby for scrambling?? What's the point of having them then?
Lordidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if there were many fighter jets and hundreds of people ready 24/7 it would not have helped.
The terrorists simply turned off the transponder and could not be located. And since nobody knew what was going on nor where they were flying towards they were impossible to track.
Many people take the changes after 9/11 for granted but simultaneously forget what caused them and how it was before.
Passengers could go into the cockpit during the flight and talk to the pilots. Take a guess why this isn't possible anymore.
I am surprised no 9/11-denier hasn't said that American Airlines were involved because it was easy to access the cockpit...
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a 9/11 denier. It happened but it was enabled by the authorities that made it possible. Otherwise, it's impossible for them to pull off such an attack.
It was plain obvious that forces within its own ranks purposely blocked, hamstrung, and prevented the military apparatus from carrying out its most basic defensive responsibilities.
Lordidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you truly believe that then no amount of logic is able to change that.
Good luck.
sageadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically it was logic that made me questioned the '''truth'' presented to us.
The Germans civilian refused to believe their government was massacring the Jews in the second world war because they simply could not accept their government is doing something so evil. The clues were all over the place but they chose not to see them. The same can be said for people who doesn't want to address the glaring holes in the ''truth'' that was presented on 9/11. How could anyone sacrifice a few thousand lives to further their political agenda. It's not like it was done multiple times throughout history.
imagine_my_suprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you have to gain from such blind loyalty to the government? Do you forget that the the government is made up of people. And people can and do lie?
Lordidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:42 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who make mistakes and get caught.
HKHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't make assumptions about things you don't know about.
dolbyscott ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 23:29:41 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you still believe trumps election crows was the biggest ever.
Lordidude ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:42:48 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice change of topic.
Typical 9/11 denier behavior.
faultydesign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:28 on September 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conspiratards are mostly trump supporters
I mean, just look at /r/conspiracy
SkeletorJellytor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to have to look up that Hunting Hitler show. Sounds interesting.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:10 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's worth a look, but I think they cut it short a few episodes, I'm hoping there's more, but I highly doubt it.
themintzerofoz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:05:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pee tape is real.
Patches67 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:53:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think religious conservatives are secretly in charge of Social Justice Warriors because the things they want to ban are almost exactly the same. They're just using different arguments to ban the things what they want to get rid of.
Back in the fifties it was called segregation, today we call it safe zones. Conservatives wanted to ban all forms of media containing violence, sex, and bad language because it was immoral and sinful. Now SJWs crusade to complain it's all triggering, misogynistic, and hurts feelings. Back in the fifties conservatives were greatly upset over Elvis because they didn't like white people singing what was seen as black music. Now it's cultural appropriation is being used to arbitrarily kick white people out of other cultural influences. Now, SJW's are even arguing sexual preference is not just biological, it's an ethical choice, just as conservatives used to argue years ago when they wanted homosexuality to remain criminal.
And the added bonus is if it all backfires and goes to hell, all that happens is they successfully sabotaged the same youth culture that successfully opposed conservatives in the past.
IamBili ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you're talking about is roughly the Apollonian and Dionysian dichotomy, and probably something else
Sometimes, groups that are diametrically opposed to each other, like hardcore religious conservative and SJWs might have some "Apollonian" or "Dionysian" features in common, even though they have used different ways to develop such features
Because of such differences, some of such features are hidden from society while others aren't . For example, the bizarre sexual degeneracy of many SJWs would be shared by certain religious conservatives, but unlike SJWs, they make an effort into hiding that feature of their personality from public eye
Faulkner89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, you gave me something to think about.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Patches67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you deconstruct what SJW's want, you could say this is the exact same thing a religious conservative bigot would have supported 50 years ago.
IThrowBarrels ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:57:06 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely believe there is life outsideof Earth and that Bigfoots and other mythical creatures are a strong possibility. Now, I am a skeptic but if you sit down and watch ancient alien theories it makes a lot of sense. And the fact that the US has a Space Military is definitely frightening. Why make a Space Military if there are no threats. The governments have the ability to cover up whatever they want really. Human life is so simple but once you think about all of the weird shit that happens, you really get an expansion to your spectrum of what life really is.
-CantPlaySteelDrums- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7 were bought down by controlled demolition.
Despite having been struck by planes (except 7 of course, that was struck by debris) they were all deemed stable after the impacts and each collapse was reported as being due to a fire based scenario. So the first three steel framed buildings in history to collapse as a result of fire, all fell on the same day.
They all collapsed straight down, through the path of most resistance, each into its own footprint. The collapse of number 7 is absolutely indistinguishable from that of a controlled demolition.
Molten steel was recorded on each site by reliable sources, even though the official report is that the fires burnt at a maximum temperature that was only half of that capable of melting steel, about 1370 degrees Fahrenheit, whilst steel melts at 2750 degrees.
Research by the US Geological Survey as well as by RJ Lee found heat signatures three and four times that of the reported maximum temperature (USGS found 4753 degree temperatures present and RJ Lee found temperature signatures of 3180 present) Such heat would be impossible to achieve by the burning of jet fuel but would make the melting of steel inevitable.
FEMA's research found holes in steel beams which they described as having a Swiss cheese appearance. Their report is of a severe corrosion to the steel having occurred, something the New York Times described as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is one of my own making, but I believe that the New England Patriots dynasty is 100% fake, and can be attributed to 9/11.
It's actually hard to follow football due to how strongly I believe this to be true. To me, football is now akin to wrestling. It can still be enjoyed, bit you have to accept that it is staged.
Edit: forgot the WHY- all the evidence is there
the cheap shot that "injured" drew bledsoe
the tuck rule??? Bitch, please.
tom Brady beating the greatest show on turf with a team of nobodies? Yeah, right.
"oh shit, now that we staged a victory, we have to make it look real!" Two more in three years. Goooos, don't arouse suspicion. Even keep the scores close! Only have them beat Jake Fuckin Delhomme by 3? Wtf the Sisters of the Poor could have put up more numbers.
ok, the star is set a decade later. Let's have a Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin type feud and make it top news for an insane amount of time. Ah, shit, nothing coming up.... oh, I know, let's say that Tom Brady under inflated balls! No one can go back and actually verify, and it won't be seen on tape, it's the perfect crime! And then we will give a silly punishment so that when he stages the LARGEST COMEBACK IN SUPER BOWL HISTORY BAAAAAH GAAAAAWWWWD the viewers are going to love that shit, a throwback to the good old days when the dynasty began.
And WHY DID IT BEGIN?! What could the NFL and America POSSIBLY HAVE TO GAIN FROM STAGING THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS BECOMING A DYNASTY?!
Simple: oil.
Bush needed American support for a second term. HE needed support for Shock and Awe and the invasion and mobilizing troops. He needed America in Iraq and the best way to do that was rally America behind one hero- how symbolic that the Patriots come out on top after 9/11! What are the odds!!!!
Well, when you write the story they are pretty fuckin good.
Edit 2: bledsoe was removed because it would arouse suspicion if he was all of a sudden talented. They had to remove him with an "injury" to put in a backup, who no one could vouch for or against. The perfect crime.
Jan-Sch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one sounds really fucked up.
chicoffee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying this for years.
_dudz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:06:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC hack was done by Seth Rich and they had him killed for leaking.
Puncomfortable ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:40:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He died weeks before the leaks though.
_dudz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:48:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does that disprove anything?
Puncomfortable ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why kill a guy when he hasn't even leaked anything when you can just fire or prosecute him? Why hire a hitman which is a lot more trouble than just prosecuting him? How did they know he leaked anything yet? Why is it leaked posthumously? Why hire a shitty hitman that doesn't even finish the job and runs away? Honestly a lot of things don't make sense while a robber getting scared and killing his victim and then fleeing happens all the time. And yes a robber would leave not taking everything because who would want to be searched to be found in possession of the stuff of a murder victim?
Also people keep saying it's supposed to be a warning but then why make it look like a failed robbery? Who does that warn beside regular people to look out for robbers? People wouldn't guess that a nobody being killed in a robbery was actually killed by the DNc for leaking.
_dudz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:25:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming he didn't pass the files on to wikileaks before he was murdered...
Ge0rgeWKush420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced George bush owns 7/11. I feel it in my bones
MarkTheAdventurer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enough to make your system blow?
Ge0rgeWKush420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely!
Ge0rgeWKush420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:01 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But hey, welcome to the new age I guess
Ge0rgeWKush420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But hey, welcome to the new age I guess
Ge0rgeWKush420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:09 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But hey, welcome to the new age I guess
Barderino ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory on Western involvement in the Middle East. I think that Western leaders have concluded that the ME is hopeless. They have realized that the only way peace (and therefore business) will be had in the ME is through a series of violent, conclusive wars. In order to keep their hands clean and their wallets full, Western powers have decided to simply flood the ME with modern weaponry (hence Obama + Trump's weapon deals with known Terrorist funders Saudi Arabia) in order to propogate war until one side has decisively conquered the other and created a stable state capable of contractual, consistent business with Western powers. Just a theory, but it neatly explains why both dems and republians are still supporting Saudi Arabia, US and Russian involvement in the ME and spark of the Arab Springs, Sadam Hussein and the Gulf War, etc.
TLDR; The psychopaths running the Western world just want the ME to kill itself into a stabalized state so they can do business with them.
Bifidus1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While this is plausible, how do you account for them letting millions of Muslims into Europe which will absolutely destroy what we know of Europe in the next twenty years? How does the loss of Europe benefit Western financial interests?
Barderino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts are that this is an attempt to intigrate the ME population into Western society so that after a few generations they adapt to Western culture.
I don't think the EU is doing a very good job of this however, and are instead adapting to ME culture- or so I have heard.
Although considering how recent this has been historically, it's too early to call whether or not this is being handled well.
It is also important to realize that having an influx of cheap labor is good for markets, so there's a benefit.
pm_boobs_4_hedgehog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are adapting to muslim culture, but we are not converting which is how it often seems perceived in the states.
We accept the presence of Mosques and most food industry companies providing halal meat. We understand the importance of prayer, Ramadan and Eid (even if we don't understand what they stand for), we - in the most part - have objection to hijabs, burka, veils. We're accepting and understanding this culture existing alongside our own but we are not losing our identity because of it.
Despite the above we still work against forced marriages for example. I don't understand why there is this fear of Europe becoming Islamic or adapting to accommodate Islam. Did New York become Irish or European after the immigration influx there? No, it simply assimilated parts of Irish culture into its own to the benefit of everyone.
Bifidus1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:23 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a few generations they will be the majority. They are already out breeding the native Europeans.
It is definitely not being handled well.
Cheap labor is good for markets. However, a large percentage of the migrants don't work, they just collect from the respective governments social programs.
Thanks for your response. I'm going to leave it at that because I don't want this great thread to devolve into a debate about Muslom immigrants.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Irrusions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I have no counter-argument so you're a racist"
unicorneequip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain.
I can't believe that someone that high can position a shotgun to commit suicide like that.
Vial322 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate. I don't know what they're talking about but it's not pizza or hotdogs.
NyanDerp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So - What say you? Is it better to play dominoes on pizza or pasta? And don't forget your map-related handkerchief.
AR35_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THERE IS ONLY ONE OLSEN TWIN
PseudoEngel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last night, I had a gentleman who said he was an ex-Army guy and worked 30 years for the federal government and close to the CIA. He shared information about the JFK assassination. I've never researched or bought into any conspiracy theories. He said with confidence that one of his secret service personnel shot him through the head. Jack Ruby was asked to step in and shoot Oswald because JFK was frequenting one of a head mafia dude's girls. And secret service recovered JFK and flew him out of Dallas before an autopsy can be done in Dallas to prevent Oswald from being exonerated based on information that would have been found. I'm not saying I believe anything he said, but he sure believed it.
NyanDerp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate and MK Ultra are my main two.
BugbeeKCCO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My ultra is declassified def true
Frojuice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon is an artificial satellite. Having geosyncronicity, perfect eclipses with the sun earth based off distance, the fact we never went back. When doing sonar testing the moon rang like a bell. We have yet to find another planetary satellite that is as unique to our planet as our moon. Also it's composed of a lot of hydrogen 3 which is a known highly efficient fuel. Larger leap here, it is an alien spaceship housing extraterrestrials.
DDSloan96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wut
10leej ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ISIS was created by the US Government and they are the "moderate" rebels we've been arming and training in Syria.
WAWDoing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain and made it look like a suicide before he could change his will. Never believed it before but I watched this documentary on Netflix and had me convinced in just 5 minutes. Shot gun's the wrong way and Courtney Love bulldozes the greenhouse/crime scene a week later, sketchy as Hell.
pianoboy8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WSJ creating fake proof of Youtube/Google having advertisements on racist/radical videos.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flat earf. I like my earth like my pancakes...
Buttery and with light sizzurp. Nam sayin..
Bad_Vaio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ted Cruz murders prostitutes and gives the skin to Kellyanne Conway for her to wear.
shuffpuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by the US.
As someone who studied physics and engineering, the way that building "fell" was way too clean and fast too have been not a controlled demolition
another30yovirgin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's ties to Russia are looking pretty solid lately.
dawsonscr33p ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paris Hilton is not a ditz at all. She is a smart-minded business savvy entertainer who's profited by being able to laugh at herself.
tlowe90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She goes to ham radio conventions so I think you are right.
AsderKnaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These flat Earth guys say that it is a conspiracy that the earth is a sphere. I believe in that conspiracy
RossDaily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind = Blown
wontonudal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That there's k lying one Olsen twin. She's just moving back and forth really fast so it seems like 2 people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
huh?
Francois_de_Rivia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the WTC buildings were brought down by nefarious means, other than the official story that the jet fuel from the planes caused a fire so hot it compromised the structural integrity of the building.
There are many to choose from regarding 9/11, but the one thing that is certain is a bunch of Saudi's and their planes did not bring down all the buildings and the at the Pentagon.
DwindlingGravitas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh? No 911? 3 buildings explode into dust that blows all over Manhattan for a day, collapse into thier own footprint at an impossible speed, through an impact at the top, Multiple witnesses attest to many explosions including emergency services, and that is just the start. Anyone care to find a picture of the plane from Pennsylvania or even the pentagon?
DD225 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Seahawks did not want Marshawn Lynch to make the drive for the touchdown against the Patriots in the 2015 Super Bowl because he would likely receive MVP.
It makes sense after reading about it.
FriendlyWisconsinite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a nazi
jokemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was not what we think it was. The bush family was friends with the bin ladens and got them to do it in order to make lots of money for companies in the US and overseas. Also, it was a nice way to build some new buildings in NY.
Aiox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the towers were full of asbestos insulation, which would have cost a fortune to remove.
grilled_cheese1865 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People like conspiracy theories because they can't handle that sometimes shitty things happen for no reason
TheMomentofGallifrey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 inside job. Those towers fell way too vertically. A professional demolition squad would have been proud of how they fell.
punkstyle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:01 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Fluoride Deception presents a very convincing argument that fluoride is a known toxic waste produced by the aluminum industry which is too difficult to keep from seeping into our water so they funded dubious scientific studies to convince people it promotes strong teeth. The US government signed on because fluoride was needed to enrich uranium which was critical for the Manhattan Project.
crusoe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:33:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except fluroapatite is stronger than normal tooth enamel... It's both harder and .or resistant to deminerlaization.
People who grow up on well water with low fluroide tend to have softer teeth and more dental problems.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:09:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have weak teeth than a week brain ;)
AwesomeAni ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:26:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weak* brain.
I think you could have benefitted greatly.
JeffMcBiscuit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:41:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Aumah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How convenient for you that all those things fit together.
MrTraveljuice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:56:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erdogan staged the coupe against his own regime. It's just too convenient, and he had used it as an excuse to fire and imprison tons of gov officials in the judiciary, military, police force, etc. Then the referendum came to practically make him a dictator.
This will get me tons of shit from many Turks, but I just know there's gotta be lots of people who think so too but just can't express it out of fear
Space_raver12 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 01:25:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that trump DID NOT collude with Russia to win the election
reasoning.
he was loved by many people
his opponent was hated by many more
he spoke from the heart and this resonated with people enough to go out and make them vote
TheZooDad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:11:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think many people are arguing that the collusion caused him to win, and I doubt that anyone who voted for him would even entertain the idea that they were swayed by false information from a foreign govt (cognitive dissonance and all that). That being said, there is a fair amount of evidence publicly available that suggests that they at least tried to get support from The Russian government, and I would wager a good deal more that hasn't been disclosed yet.
LdouceT ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of things wrong with that. First of all, its not a conspiracy theory. Second, none of the reasons you gave say anything about whether or not he colluded with Russia.
ClannyRob ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but he did establish why he probably wouldn't need to.
I_Am_Dwight_Snoot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:19:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually his points are all directly related to the collusion...
The first Russian collusion possibility is the fake news incident. A fuck ton of people were affected by the Russian fake news spike in the first week of November. The articles which said things like: the Pope was fully supporting Trump and Hillary kills puppies for fun (not an exact article title but it was something absurd).
Weirdly enough the question of whether the Russians affected the election has been answered for several months now. They are just trying to figure out who from the Trump team (if anyone) paid/supported the fake news flooding.
The second current Russian collusion possibility is the tampering with election systems in certain states. Allegedly, no votes were changed but the authorities were looking into votes being deleted or "not counted correctly".
Tldr: Trump colluding with Russia: out in the air. Russia helping Trump with the election: confirmed in some capacity.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:00:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we're living on different planets. Fake news is directed towards trump (who repeated he was a racist, Anti-semite, misogynist).
Hillary Clinton was the most terrible candidate of all time, almost objectively. When Trump spoke at his rallies, it was hard to believe he was not genuine. There were barely even any people at the dems rallies. Yet, the mainstream media would always lie about how horrible trump was and how decent Hillary was.
There is absolutely no evidence of collusion else we would have the information shoved down our throats. They don't want Trump to help the country, neither do you apparently.
gnatspiss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:14:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what makes you think hillary was "the most terrible candidate of all time"? (genuinely curious)
LdouceT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not so sure how fake that is.
Is he racist? Debatable, but he's certainly expressed some racist opinions.
Is he an anti-semite? Probably not, I haven't heard anything to really suggest that. And Jared Kushner seems to be okay with him.
Is he a misogynist? Again, I personally haven't really heard anything to suggest he's necessarily a misogynist... buuut he's certainly expressed some pretty disgusting opinions on women, especially for someone who holds the presidency. Misogynist may not be the right word, but reports of him being sexist or expressing vile opinions of women are certainly not fake news.
NyanDerp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:42:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mean, you're right, but it would be more of a conspiracy to believe that he DID collude with Russia to win. It's got a lot less proof than your stance.
FriendlyPastor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But.. the mountains of real life evidence!
faultydesign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:47 on September 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary got the popular vote though, so even that is not true
Vpantha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:51 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agartha is real, we have civilization living inside of our hollow planet which the "core" is the sun. http://www.thenewearth.org/InnerEarth.html
Gear_ ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 00:09:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the U.S. election was hacked/rigged by Russia and Trump was connected to that.
NoGoodUserName999999 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:20:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there is rampant cheating all across the board when it comes to US elections. The voting machines are far too easy to hack / tamper with.
God_of_gaps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich leaked the DNC emails and he was killed for it. DNC bigshots colluded with the media to invent the entire Russian narrative as a cover-up and as a way to try to take down Donald Trump. The amount of data taken could not have been sent through the internet at the speed at which it was stolen which was approximately 30 MB/sec but a flash drive could transfer data at roughly that speed.
Edit: Check the downvotes. Reddit is in on it.
Puncomfortable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:41:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
30MB/sec is easily achievable though. If that is the definite proof it's pretty weak.
God_of_gaps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man there's all kinds of evidence for you to dismiss
panacrane37 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:27:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bin Laden ain't dead. No body, no photo, "burial at sea"... that bastard is being pumped for information in some nice comfy secret prison somewhere...
TwitchyGerman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... There are people who don't think Bin Laden wasn't just a CIA-plant? Do you think the war in Syria is because Assad is some psychopathic dictator and not because he's the only independent figurehead in the Middle East, too?
dacookeymonsta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are... are you doing the xkcd thing?
dantheman280 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say the vast majority of people don't. Never even heard of that theory.
Aksu560 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:09 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically anything related to microsoft and big data...
Osmium_tetraoxide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual conspiracy theories are hidden by governments and various bodies hiding them by paying people to promote the seemingly sound and on the surface reasonable theories.
The origin of conspiracy theories comes from people discrediting the Watergate scandal.
Also Syrian government doesn't have chemical weapons but rebels use it on themselves to sound good so he international community can feel good about making a good Vs evil narrative.
Imissyourgirlfriend2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:40 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We never landed on the sun
sslee12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:32 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Harvey Oswald was set up
tri-trii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Royals killed Diana.
AnnaEd64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pokรฉmon is somehow following/watching me. Every time I try to text something to someone with the word "Pokรฉmon" it won't send. It only sends when I delete the word.... anyone else getting this too? I know I'm not crazy.
Loves2watch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:38 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK was killed by someone else than Lee Harvey Oswald. There was a cover up but we don't know why and by who.
Edellain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nixon was involved in JFK's assassination
Eastwoody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government has their fingers in Disney. How else are you able to teach children morals and ethics?
MultiversalTraveler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That this question keeps getting reposted. I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling.
longhairedcountryboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a hard time with the official story about 911. Two planes and three buildings come down looking like a controlled demolition. The only truth is that the passengers brought down a plane in PA. That plane was not going to DC, it was going to the third building in NY.
xRyuzakii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NBA draft is rigged.. at least for Ewing, penny, Shaq, Anthony Davis, and all those fucking cavs picks
SplitPost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canned food drives are a plot by the grocery stores to get people to spend more money.
Icadil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Behind every conspiracy theory is a person making boatloads of cash.
10pumpsclassic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 is an inside job.
Korb10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if anyone has mentioned 9/11? I'm not sure what I believe. I'm not trying to start a war in the comments but I've watched a few documentaries that are particularly interesting.
TerroristOgre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the US through the CIA purposely instigates conflicts and "revolutions" overseas for their own benefit.
jonseagull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and domestically.
BlueberryPhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government already has a list of all gun owners in the country, where they live, and a list of what guns they likely own.
Target could tell a girl was pregnant before her own father knew based on buying habits, and many phone apps (Facebook especially) stalk you so much they have to hold back info on directed ads so it doesn't seem as creepy. Any government would salivate at the ability to have that kind of detail in a database for all their citizens. The gun thing would be pretty minor in comparison to what they could reasonably do already.
michaeljordanmisogny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Project northwoods
instantnoodle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That my thoughts are being read, probably something to do with having a family history of schizophrenia (not like I'll ever admit this anywhere else ๐๐ป)
DespairingKingSoulOS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a forum conspiracy I know: Shane and a few people have created sockpuppet accounts which masquerade as real people. An acquaintance and I have been going through the various pieces of evidence that this theory is real.
JorahExplorer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, this should be good
spr1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I first upload pictures online they will be in higher definition then when I look at them months or years later
Exist50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Bullshit theories that people pretend actually have evidence, but refuse to cite.
Rorynne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBH a large point of conspiracies is to be a bullshit crack pot theory that can't be proven even though people say it can be.
Exist50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just the people with zero self-awareness claiming "it must be true!" that annoy me. The Facebook thread is a prime example.
FoolZerrand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you like conspiracy theories check out this guy.
hosingdownthedog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They killed Reagan to help get W in the Whitehouse. Reagan had Alzheimer's disease, quality of life was suffering, it tapped into the Republican base in an energizing fashion and reminded ppl of certain demographics what they considered better times politically/economically, etc.
I called it several months before it happened within window of about a week (with witnesses). Then it happened.
IcarusWright ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just going to leave this here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor_scandal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That there is a sustainable infinite growth paradigm that will never run out of resources at a rate that can't be replenished by the planet earth.
brotherjonathan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Cold War was a hoax in order for the US/USSR to usurp vast recources, for a secret space program.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain being murdered. There's too much evidence for it not to be true.
Haurboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree
Cobain was going to leave Courtney Love. She wanted his money.
Fucking sucks man because I love his music but I need more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I think his music after In Utero would have sucked. He was losing his mind on opiods, mainly heroin.
Haurboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heart Shaped Box, Rape Me, Dumb, All Apologies..........and then You Know You're Right which was released after is also a great song
Bro. He was just getting started. Drugs do not make musicians worse. IMO it makes them better.
zanshinmu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:27:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The forensic evidence for suicide is pretty near impossible to fake. Especially for a junkie who dropped out of high school.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tupac ain't dead
Jack_Papel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the earth is round, crazy right?
Fksjrkf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Negroes caused the holohoax
daniesza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pearl Harbor, JFK, 911....
Runs_towards_fire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ken Lay is still alive and the Bush's have something to do with it.
RepublicanScum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That this /askreddit is posted every month so that the Illuminati can double check that no ones on to them yet.
ChilieMacPalmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope , they are not anyway close to being on to us.
livedadevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not certain it is true but certain it could be true: you (or me in this case) are the only real person. Everything and everyone else is a figment of your dreamspace that you can't escape from. The laws of physics were all made by your subconscious and the world makes sense because of course dreams make sense.
You literally could never prove it wrong or right.
Now wake up.
Raskolnikovs_Axe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it's here already : Waze is directing traffic and selling premium service.
cornholio6966 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Marcus Morris played in place of his injured brother Markieff in the NBA playoffs this past season. They're identical twins and have matching tattoos. THEIR WHOLE LIVES HAVE BEEN LEADING TO THIS POINT.
STRENGTHoftheBEAR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That this question being asked on a weekly basis is purposeful and not the result of OP not searching to see when (and how recently) it had been asked. It has to be since even a cursory search would make all the previous ones pop up.
steamreddit85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Nate Diaz purposly through the second McGregor fight because he thought another huge payday would be coming in the form of a trilogy.
11-22-1963 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is the same thread question being reposted every other week with the same mild, uninteresting, and repetitive answers at the top? Is there some social conditioning going on?
whats_the_business ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop with this same question I've seen it so much recently
Ciphtise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm somewhat convinced that governments(and everyone else with power) use books, movies, tv shows and so on(speak: fiction) to cover up real things,at least sometimes
artourfangay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tupac is in Cuba, Kendrick Lamar has isinde connections. It may sound silly but it does really make sense.
dpt223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NBA rigged the 2002 Western Conference Finals. Why? The second half of game 6.
BattleZone_007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably the "nicest" conspiracy theory I've ever read/heard of in my life.
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aw, now I want to know which comment you were responding to...
x4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are secret societies all around us. I didn't know until I joined one. Shh.
Explosivo87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That John Mara is colluding with Goodell to get zeke suspended.
Kevlaars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planned obsolescence. We have the documents to prove it.
VIIX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't a conspiracy...its been a known business model for decades...
BoredOneNight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Super spooky rich people
berlinbrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK hid aliens
theHawkmooner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens and government, ancient aliens. But honestly I don't see how you could consider them theories there is too much evidence. JFK for sure. Definently 9/11. Princess Diana. Hitler didn't die in that bunker. Jimmy Hoffa. Pope John Paul. And Pearl Harbour.
Onkel_Adolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tay-tay is a virgin.
jaredwards ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion only exists to prey on the weak. It fills a need in the human psyche and convinces people of a higher being. At least some of the money they take ends up in charity...
Mathias2392 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stevie Wonder is NOT blind.
Look it up, there's multiple instances where he unnaturally seems to catch things like a falling mic, know who's standing behind him before they introduce themselves, etc.
Maaz-A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay
AnimalFactsBot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remarkably, frogs actually use their eyes to help them swallow food. When the frog blinks, its eyeballs are pushed downwards creating a bulge in the roof of its mouth. This bulge squeezes the food inside the frog's mouth down the back of its throat.
Maaz-A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fascinating; thank you, bot.
AnimalFactsBot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:31:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are most welcome. Beep boop.
superfluiter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BMS!
Montecristo1884 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney Love hired her maid to kill Curt Cobain.
1.) He had enough drugs in his system to kill an elephant. 2.) He loved his daughter and wouldn't leave such a horrific last image of himself for her. 3.) HE WAS WEARING SHOES!!!!! How the hell would he pull the trigger with his toe if he had shoes on???????
Raghavcm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pakistan has involvement in US general elections
porcelain_robots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putin helped Trump get elected.
YogiWanKenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Former CIA Director William Colby was murdered by operatives of his successor, George H. W. Bush
Lady_Ghirahim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube listens to conversations and then suggests videos.
I had a lengthy discussion with my boyfriend a few months ago about handwriting and how his is not very good honestly and then that night in my recommended videos I got like 3 different videos about improving your hand writing.
Also, I bought a used car, I didn't look up any videos about cars, and then a few days after I bought it I kept getting ads for car shops and O'Reilly's and shit. I can't think of any other examples right now but this crap happens all the time
escyeph ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:40:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've thought about this.. sometimes I also talk about things, but never type them in, and a few days later, look at that, it's either recommended on Amazon, or recommended on youtube.. it's entirely possible, and really not that hard I'd imagine.
MrGalecki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure, as does Amazon. My girlfriend and I started drinking Perrier flavored waters (mind you this is the first time Ive ever typed this into any keyboard), we buy them at a local store. Ive never searched for or had reason to google them. I get ads for them all the time. Almost positive its voice recognition ad spying.
SteamPoweredAshley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that politics is a smoke show with a divide and conquer ethos behind it. Its why both sides of our political system amount to things like good bills dying for partisan reasons, government shutdowns when congress can't agree fast enough, and news that focuses on the most extreme left and right wing populations. Corporate donations influence the choices of many politicians on a much greater level than you or I writing to the governor's office could ever hope to.
MCcreeperstrike2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is paying the Snapchat developers to include less features and slower updates on Android as a scheme to sell more iPhones, as Snapchat is one of the most widely used apps of all time on both platforms.
Lintobean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LBJ offed JFK
Rolf_Son_of_Rolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/finlandconspiracy
osm0sis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone interested in talking more about plausible, non-debunked conspiracies is welcome at /r/ConspiracyHypothesis
ktsb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a compound on the other side of this nursing home i used to work in called archives. It's pretty big but i never saw anyone go in or out of that place. I started walking the fence and noticed a hole to get in and the next day i saw cars parked around the compound and suddenly people do work there and the fence was fixed over night. So i started wearing black scrubs and went out there to "smoke" and had a look around and noticed some cameras got put up. A few days later now there is a security guard that drives around every hour. Idk what was up but i bet that if i hadn't left that line of would i would been arrested for trespassing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruno Mars is actually Michael Jackson. I was high one day and it kinda makes sense
bivenator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clone maybe but certainly not the same person
phlyingdolfin25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organ donors have a statistically lower average lifespan than non-organ donors; I.e. volunteering to be an organ donor adds you to a list of candidates the government will "hunt down" in order to harvest their organs for politicians and shit
DoctOct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Olsen Twins arent actually twins. I dont know how many of them there are; probably between 1-8 just not 2.
Flatezer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government has a car that runs on water, and they cuz then we'd only drink beer!!!
FuujinSama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not one theory in particular, but I do believe in the general idea that there are western politicians in the world who've killed and blackmailed a great number of people to get to and maintain their position.
More of a ''I believe consiparacies of a certain kind exist'' than a ''I believe X conspiracy is true'' but I hope this is in line with the topic.
I fear fiction might be confounding my judgement. Unapolagetically reprehensible people seem far more likely in fiction than in real life. In Real Life people tend to hate hurting others as a general principle. Yet, it seems to me that if someone wasn't troubled by hurting others and would do it in order to advance his role, then he'd have a better chance than those that wouldn't. So if anyone like that exists and wants to be a high-ranking politician, that someone has a higher chance of being a politician than someone with more normal moral compass.
So it seems reasonably likely that at least one such person would rise to power in all the western world. Although the fact no such conspiracy has been discovered in my recent memory is troublesome for my theory. Yet, the recent discoveries of politicians involved in sex slave rings and pedophelia reveals how far governments go to save the face of their politicians.
In the end, this seems more like a ''I attribute about a twenty percent probability that there exists such politician'' which is actually quite a lot. After all, most random theories with no evidence whatsoever like mind-readers existing, would have infinitesimally small probability.
Certainty is something I reserve for tautology. Like ''If the color of the sky is blue then I'm certain the color of the sky is blue.'' You can't really be certain of anything else. Specially not conspiracy theories.
UiunqeUamserne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sunblock causes sunburns. Same way chapstick creates the need for chapstick.
Bartholomewy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of Dianna...
BeardBrother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Room was actually a giant money laundering scheme.
Endds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/finlandconspiracy
PirateJohn75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watergate
ryanbench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That schools and history teaches us that the first advanced civilizations occurred only about 2000 years ago . But there is overwhelming evidence that there was 1 if not many advamced civilizations that happened atleast 10k years ago.
TheGreenestGreening ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:53:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What school did you go to? Catholic?
ryanbench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Na lol
sawntime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I can't believe it's not butter" is actually just butter marked up in price.
slowshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The X Files was a dramatization of Government reports which Chris Carter found on a classified laptop somebody sent to him.
No1YouKnow42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im sure the term "conspiracy theory"was created and demonized to blackball truth-seekers
ForkLiftBoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have a pretty prominent religious group in our home town, apostolic christians, and they used to be much more influential in the town before more people came in and naturally moved away from a conservative town. However, back in the day one of the elders of the church started a masonry business. That elder was also on the town's governing bodies. Well, "to make our town prettier" they passed a local regulation that required all new construction of houses to have brick on the front of the house. Coincidence? I think not.
claptonscocaine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be "that guy" but after watching that Loose Change documentary, I'm pretty sure 9/11 was an inside job.
CrispyCritiquer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The flat hollow earth theory..
FearlessBurrito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe...
YourOpinionEqualShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chemicals in the water are turning the frogs gay.
H00dr0w_Trills0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The RNC put all their support behind Trump, because no matter how bad he could ever be (knowing full well he is a joke and incompetent) anyone they ever run in the future will seem moderate and more likely to serve as a politician. Causing people to possibly sway away from independent or Democratic to the Republican ticket
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dennis Rodman is CIA.
Chazzmm24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
England IS a city.
Bourkster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So So you
TastyBrainMeats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That /r/conspiracy is controlled by Russian agents.
rAlexanderAcosta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commies wish for the death of humankind. Fascist wish for the death of individual.
SupaKoopa714 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there's definitely some shadow government stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. I think the Illuminati/New World Order is just an extremely overblown version of that theory, and the real truth is that there's more to politics than politics. I mean, corporate lobbying pretty much proves that there are strings being pulled all over the place, possibly in ways people don't realize. The Danny Casolaro case helped convinced me of that. Despite being well-known for his fear of blood, he supposedly committed suicide by slashing his own wrists, and this was after multiple threatening phone calls and him telling his brother that he (Danny) would probably be murdered soon. All of this centered around Casolaro's Octopus, which was basically his term for a shadow government conspiracy. Also worth mentioning is Jim Keith, who examined Casolaro's case and also ended up dying after predicting his own death in a similar way.
I dunno, I just can't shake the feeling that there's some shady shit going on in the background that ranges from crooked to downright spooky.
innerpeice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced the Board on the Federal Reserve is still functioning as a quasi- private venture that does not take orders from the government. After 2008 congress demanded to see their records. Federal reserve said "no" Let that sink in
lendergle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I (half) believe that the number of people in the world is exaggerated and that whenever I go to a big city, there's a shadowy secretive organization to queue up huge crowds just outside my range of sight and then direct them at me in opposition to whatever heading I'm on. Going uptown? Crowd is instantly repositioned three blocks North and sent towards Battery Park. Change my mind and heading back toward the museums? Crowd does a quick change around the corner and goes back the other way. All designed to make it look like the City is densely populated.
These are also the same people responsible for filling the subway trains that stop and/or pass the station I'm at, so as to give the illusion that these commuters are actually going somewhere, when in fact they get off at the next station, change clothes & makeup, and then go back the other way (until I join a set of them on a car, in which case there's another agency responsible for making sure people get on and off on what appears to be a reasonable frequency).
By my estimate, there are really only about 6 million people in the world. That's enough to maintain the illusion of a fully populated planet and get in my fucking way every damn place I go. Seriously, Mysterious Shadowy Organization- let's just get it all out in the open. I'll leave you alone. You get your fucking people out of my fucking way. You'll have that many more to do whatever it is you do while you're not screwing with me, and I'll be able to walk from Piccadilly Circle to Leicester Square without bumping into ten thousand "tourists" and "locals."
serosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a form of solipsism... You should see a behavioral therapist.
lendergle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or possibly there are a shit-ton of people in the world. My idea is more fun to contemplate, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate.
Sinjutsu89alex_c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bilderberg group has a major impact on american politics and god knows what else. I don't know how or what they do (and I'm usually the guy mocking conspiracy theorists) but they somethang screwy hurr
cake_pan_rs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The big oil companies refuse to change all stop signs to yield signs so we use more gas
Xlukethemanx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Magic Johnson doesn't really have HIV. I believe it was a PR move that tried to remove the stigma surrounding the disease
soulbondedbotanist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trader Joe's makes their parking lots small on purpose to make themselves seem more busy than they actually are!
Kraft bribes the FDA to out experation dates on their products. Mayonaisse doesn't go bad it only becomes miracle whip. That's the miracle. That extra tangy flavor is called patience. Source:Kyle kinane
magnificentshambles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pee tape.
saskskip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler escaped Germany after the war. When you look at all the other Nazis that got out is it so hard to believe the top dog would have an escape plan.
Lan777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The curse of the undead was perpetuated by the gods and Astora's tale of "the fate of the undead" is propaganda
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Bill Cosby still count as a conspiracy theory?
GrandpaCrocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alex Jones is actually a mild mannered Croquet enthusiast who spends his time off camera reading about and collecting a wide variety of moths and butterflies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We never left God. I have no internet so I can't explain how I came to this conclusion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or specifically, heaven
whatsinthesocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That if there was a cover up in the JFK assassination it was to cover up the involvement of wither the Cuban or Soviet governments to avoid possible nuclear war.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen to draw us into WW2. That is the reason the flattops were not in the harbor.
chowel29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took a class centered around the JFK conspiracy, and there are too many evidential holes for me not to believe SOMETHING doesnt add up there.
MrShekelstein17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pizzagate
kale4reals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon landing. Filmed on a stage, during a time when the US absolutely NEEDED to get on that damn moon to establish dominance. Nobody has set foot on the moon since.
TheKevinShow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NBA has rigged lots of shit in the past. Multiple draft lotteries have been rigged to make sure star players go to big markets, and games have been rigged. Look no further than the 2002 Western Conference Finals. If you're in a business that depends on viewers in big markets watching your games, who do you want representing the West in the Finals: Sacramento or Los Angeles?
danman2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Fox News, the alt-right and Russian trolls spread lies about Seth Rich's murder to intentionally distract the American people from the Trump Russian probe.
mrbrightside3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFK basically wanted to not use Silver certificates, or silver as any monetary function but replace them with Federal Reserve note, which are backed by gold. This was a speech he was going to give in Dallas...
Mondelli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Bohemian Grove
And Russia is secretly doing shit to make both sides of the political isle in the United States go at each other.
23skiddsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars once had some degree of life. Why? Because it's goddamn red. Rocks are generally red because the iron inside them has oxidized. Thus far, we know Earth's oxygenation was caused by photosynthetic life producing it. We can see it in the rock record with banded iron formations.
So at one point Mars had an atmosphere with a lot of oxygen, enough to color the rocks. Thus far the only good mechanism for that oxygen getting there is life.
GracelandMemphis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a racist. Charlottesville.
JaapHoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Pakistani government willingly turned over Bin Laden
Also Katy Perry is Jean Benet Ramsey, who was actually kidnapped by the CIA and trained in mind control
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MLK was killed by our government for speaking out against the Vietnam war.
ihatepseudonymns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pee pee tape is real because I have followed Trump for 30 years and that sort of thing is easily within his repertoire. As is the incest rumor.
moody31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Seth Rich was the leaker of the DNC emails and the Russian story has been a smoke screen from the get go.
im_out_of_step ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government introduced crack into low income/primarily black areas.
DrDaniels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Journalist Michael Hastings death#Death) in a car crash was no accident. I believe there's a good to fair chance that it was remotely hijacked. However, we'll never know.
after-life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 9/11 was an inside job and that it is very unlikely that some cave dwellers on the other side of the planet with a few weeks of alleged pilot experience were able to execute one of the world's most deadliest attacks on the most protected airspace on the globe.
Also, many cover ups and deception from both government and media twisting stories or outright lying regarding the official story.
I can go on and on but this is just a scratch on the surface.
Chakolatechip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that the mob is keeping arby's open
setmehigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When they cornered the dorner.
I'm not saying I agree with him, killing innocent people is always wrong, but he had something the LAPD didn't want getting out.
PowershotWu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Alex Jones is a shill instituted by someone. He makes up the most ridiculous conspiracy theories. Since he also proposes some valid concerns as well, the real conspiracies are discredited by virtue of association with the "gay frog" level conspiracies.
Tincastle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't believe Instagram was listening to you, however, I was discussing a place I had traveled to with some friends. I pulled my phone out to show the pic of the particular destination, and when I opened the app, it was the first thing to show up, and I posted it months ago.
CaptainKyloStark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advanced intelligent extraterrestrial life exists and had been playing since role in human development for an indeterminate time anywhere from recently to the last few thousand millennia.
canadianformalwear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this entire thread exists solely to make us all drink more.
mrkrabz1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TWA 800 was shot down accidentally by the US military.
Explosive residue was found on the wreckage, in 3 separate places.
Multiple eye witnesses saw what they describe as multiple missiles approach the plane and then saw the plane explode. Multiple eye witnesses, who are completely unrelated and in various spots to view the incident, all made similar statements and described a similar event.
The wiring that was named the caused the explosion was never recovered.
Several NTSB investigators have come forward and stated that FBI agents on scene purposely blocked them and prevented them from seeing particular parts of the wreckage.
Various airline pilots have stated that there is no possible way the aircraft would have behaved or been able to fly in the way the official NTSB animation shows.
NoFittingName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think OJ might have actually killed those guys....
TooHardToFindName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Clinton imports fuck loads of coke into the US. Hillary's law firm saw a lot of business while he was President. Business that other firms would have been better at. Easy place to cook the books.
AStudyinBlueBoxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if Creationism counts, but I am willing to believe it. I'm an Evangelical Christian and a life sciences student, toxicology major, so I hear a lot on both sides of the coin. I want to believe my religion as literally and truthfully as I can, but there seems to be a mount of evidence to the contrary of some of those beliefs. Also, I am, like many, painfully aware that the government, to some degree, is definitely monitoring most of the things I do. However, for the time being, I am not worried about people knowing my life.
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creationism isn't a conspiracy, it's just stupid and demonstrably wrong about every claim that it makes.
AStudyinBlueBoxes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:17:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, now I'm confused. It's stupid to believe that God created the world? That's the basis for several different religions, including mine. Why is that stupid?
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there is literally zero evidence. At all. There are no tests that the claim "magic invisible fairy X created everything" survives. Every truth claim made by any religion or holy book (which are the claims, not the evidence) can be proven completely wrong with even a rudimentary understanding of science.
AStudyinBlueBoxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why is anyone ever encouraged to believe in any kind of religion?
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low standards of evidence, cultures of ignorance that sprout up around religion, fear of the unknown, perhaps even genuine belief in something which is just flat out wrong.
trollsong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gods i wont articulate this well on my phone. Govt allowed pearl harbor to happen so we would enter the war. No American wanted to goto war before that happened. The axis had not one single interest in america, infact we could have sold supplies to japan to make a quick buck.
If i remember there was something about all or best ships were sent away on drills a week before the attack so what we lost was not that much. If i sound heartless i am not being so remember we also experimented on the tuskegee airmen and sacrifice a shit ton of japanese American lives to save a few white guys. We are perfectly okay with acceptable losses.
This oddly enough is why i dont believe 911 was a set up too many were lost for it to be a setup. If it was just the pentagon then i could see it.
Mighty_Chondrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avril Lavigne died a while ago and was replaced with a new girl
WhyNoLoveForManix2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jimi hendrix, kieth moon, and berry Oakley all faked their deaths and now play as mariachi band in a small cantinas all over the the western coast of cuba.
fibericon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Early electric/hybrid cars were intentionally created with the ugliest frames imaginable, to poison public perception on them.
scothc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oswald, a CIA operative, is told to be at the book depository, where he was earlier told to get a job, for x reason. Jfk gets that boo-boo, and Oswald realizes he just got fucked, so he runs. He doesn't know who he can trust, and needs time to think. In the meantime, whomever actually ordered they hit (i think gov, but it could be CIA, FBI, even a rogue military upset over the bay of pigs) puts out Oswald's info. Oswald has an encounter with and kills that Dallas cop (tibbs? I can't remember). The Cop was prob in the dark as far as the conspiracy goes, but how is Oswald supposed to know that, and does it even matter? Later that day Oswald gets arrested. Who knows what was discussed in that Dallas interrogation room since it was never recorded. Jail records show a outgoing phone call to a guy in (South?) Carolina who just happens to be a CIA agent. He claims no one called him, btw. Oswald gets moved, says he's a Patsy, and some mid level scuzzball who shouldn't have been in that garage kills him before any incriminating information can be recorded coming from Oswald's mouth.
The beauty (or horror) of this is that only a handful of people really knew what was going on. The majority of actors are taking information received on good faith and acting accordingly.
yParticle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most conspiracy theories are promoted to hide the real conspiracies. Even the term "conspiracy theory" was a conspiracy to devalue any legitimate claims of prevalent conspiracies.
It's worked well: I think they're all bunk, including these.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/neverbegameover
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Danielle Jonas (married to Kevin Jonas) faked her first pregnancy for god knows what reason. I came across this article and thought it was the usual garbage celeb gossip but I am a true believer now.
Source
lhymes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paul is dead, of course.
TheGinofGan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made a post here on reddit expressing sorrow at the death of an NPC in dark souls, a few days later I read a 'top __' list about unexpected 'feels' moments in video games and had that exact NPC. While I have no doubt other people have been distraught by the same event I can't help but feel like I inspired that entry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not he was even in on it, Lee Harvey Oswald was not the gunman that killed JFK. There is no way someone's head violently jerks backward after supposedly taking a bullet to the back of the head.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never tried that but I'm sure it would work.
onacloverifalive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the amount of money allocated to the federal healthcare budget is capped without yearly increase from now on. The pie is divided each year into smaller pieces for more providers, more hospitals, more patients.
There has been pitched to the hospitals that by following an arbitrary set of quality measures that don't actually define quality like electronic medical record utilization, they will be rewarded by premium reimbursement rates while less invested facilities are penalized for noncompliance plus or minus soon to be double digit percentages.
The EMR costs a fortune, and secures higher reimbursement, but allows limitless agenda pushing from the top down to the end of allowing intentional slowing healthcare delivery.
In a world where the reimbursement rates only change by reinvesting profits, joining larger organizations or perpetually increasing volume to cover overhead will be the only way to secure profitability.
Having a measure of control through the EMR with the imposition of time wasting measures empowers a legislation of the rate and thus the overall cost of care delivery. Its actually more of an observation than a theory, because it is already widely practiced and the model of healthcare in the current year in the U.S.
The ultimate end is plausibly to stop entrepreurship in the healthcare industry and just marketing and scaling up well reimbursed taxpayer funded services which is ostensibly a good thing. It forces clinical integration and rewards it, but more in theory than practice. The large systems say they are doing an awesome job, but they really aren't truly clinically integrated networks, they just do all the paperwork and pay the site surveyors and they all pretend like the low impact metrics they follow matter to get all the checkboxed ticked off to get the designation and the maximum reimbursement rate from the government.
elyze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 9-11 conspiracy, is a government conspiracy. I have a relative that was a civil engineer in NYC when the bombs went off in the trade towers in the 90s.
Basically govt incompetence is why the towers went down the way they did in 2001. It's why it looks like "jet fuel can't melt steel beams." The govt didn't bomb the towers in 2001, but their idocracy and lying in the 90s made them go down A LOT faster and in such a way that it looks like they bombed them. When the conspiracies came out, and the engineers wanted to come forward and say "no, the port authority are just idiots, not malicious." The port authority and HRC basically threatened their lives to shut them up, because an evil govt is better and less believable than a stupid one.
South park was actually very accurate.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the earth is round.
supersonic-turtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens exist but I'm not sold on them interfering with us or even intelligent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that kurt cobain didn't kill himself and that he was actually murdered by his wife courtney love.
notsowise23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wars in the middle east have been going on as long as they have so the west can sell them weapons and ammunition. The war on terror is big business.
duckshoe2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump and his children have used illegal Russian oligarch financing to support worldwide real estate transactions: the Russians launder the $$, the Trumps get the use of it as collateral, as debt service, etc. The Kazahkstan deal is only the latest.
Stories about Trump campaign/Russian contact are just a gloss on the first idea: KGB compromat on Trump leverages sabotage of Clinton. Implicit promise: a compromised Trump will make nice later on.
williamslenab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fucking illuminati. You can't tell me Beyoncรฉ, Jay Z, Rhianna, Kim Kardashian, Kanye, etc. aren't in it. Look at Rhianna's newest album and watch conspiracy videos about it. All of it is fucking true.
PharmacyThumbprint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit has gone down in Area 51.
kiinexify34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was done by Osama Bin Laden! Jet fuel bends steel beams!!
braintiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lee Harvey Oswald was not the murderer of John F. Kennedy.
hans_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting out fire with gasoline!
ShamblesLegit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Tijuana Flats intentionally dribbles beverage down the side of their cups... I don't know why they do it, but there is nooooooooooo way they ALL do it by accident.
purpleblossom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of one, but I believe that the 9/11 terrorists planted bombs in the Twin Towers to ensure they fell.
nilslorand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 was an inside job to give the government more control
Omfgchels13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazis are dead, but they arenโt
purpleunicornturds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it's exactly a "conspiracy theory" but Jon benet Ramsey was murdered by her parents. There are too many weird discrepancies (pineapple, war and peace of ransom notes matching pattis handwriting, the discovery and moving of the body) and the DA at the time had a history of making deals with murderers and rapists. Granted boulder PD totally FUCKED the case but you don't call your lawyer and try to escape in your plane while your daughter is still "missing"
puppypaws98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was reading somewhere that it was thought her brother Burke did it and the parents were covering for him.
purpleunicornturds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive heard that theory too and he's definitely weird. Also, his visits with the child psychologist were very interesting. Normally children who are around a home invasion or have had siblings die are afraid for their own safety or worried that the bad guys will come back for them but he just wasn't. Also he was heard on the 911 call when he was supposedly asleep but strangulation? I just don't know if a 10 year old would be strong enough, or if something happened and John later strangled her to finish her off what happened? But everything about patsy and Johns behavior was just incongruous with their story and there's just too much evidence pointing to the fact that they absolutely knew what happened to their daughter.
Johnnyonnaspot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain. Forensic evidence does not point towards suicide, but cops didn't try too hard for "just another heroin addict rock star suicide."
LonePaladin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first moon landing was faked. The key word is first.
Russia was winning the space race, hands down. They had more manpower, the first manned orbit, lots of volunteers. Their tech was rough around the edges, but they were making progress. The US was still doing tests and training, making steady (but slower) progress.
So they cheated. Rigged up a moonscape on a stage, fired off a rocket, and made a big deal about how they finally had it all figured out. One small step for an actor, one giant leap for Democracy. And while the guys in Mission Control were patting each other on the back, NASA now had the breathing room to figure out how to do it for real.
iScootNpoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA creates thunder storms to hide alien invasions.
Spock_Savage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iran-Contra, because it happened.
QueenCoffeeBean83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely believe Michael Jackson was dead BEFORE his "This Is It" tour was announced. His death was announced during the production of his comeback tour so that publicists could end his legacy on a positive note & attempt to overshadow his tarnished image. That is absolutely not MJ giving his "final speech".
boogitydogbutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jackson totally lives downstairs from me
Raptor43110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That JFK was assassinated by the U.S Govt. If you look into it at all that shit just don't make sense.
VampireSurgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That childbirth in American hospitals is corrupted.
ToaOfBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The universe is a simulation. I don't mean that it's a simulation running on some computer is the real world. It goes deeper than that. You could simulate it on paper with enough time. So it's just some really complex math. So why bother working it out? The universe is just a mathematical equation. The equation describes every point in time and space, everything that ever has been or ever will.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lobbyism.
Sometimes it appears to me as if people didn't realize what lobbyism actually is, and think that it just didn't exist. As if they thought that lobbyists would just be normal people who just contact the politicians in the same way as voters could and try to convince the politicians by mere arguments.
... that's not how lobbyism works, people.
Baller_McFly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certain that HAARP facilities are some sketchy shit, and I'm about 90% that the government uses them to control the weather.
moshdubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tupac is still alive
JaqenHghaar08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tom Cruise is nuts.
Plethora of anecdotes recounted by his staff over the years.
tanis_ivy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think tom is a normal guy who just likes to have fun.
RossDaily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scientology
cch123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien Abductions
marshmellowclouds420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 follow the money
crockrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Subhash Chandra Bose didn't die in a plane crash.
comoxvalleystripper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
911
PatatoPancake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avril Lavigne is dead bc Melissa has not claimed otherwise
darklordoftech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that MADD has funded brain development studies.
El_Alacran_del_Rio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't say... it's a secret.
ClearMyInbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Secret Service Agent George Hickey accidentally killed JFK after Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to do so. The presented evidence makes the most sense to me.
I can't imagine how Hockey dealt with the act and cover-up, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
James Earl Jones killed MLK while working part time at 7/11.
Fire_Bane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
England is a city.
V4refugee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fentanyl was created to destabilize North Korea but some of it had accidentally entered the US.
The_Impaler_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reagan traded arms for hostages and introduced crack into the inner cities
KvasirsBlod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jordan's 'flu game' was actually a case of hangover. They said he had flu-like symptoms and was sweating a lot, which would suggest an infection.
They would never had let him play with an infectious disease, risking other players getting sick too; especially the opponent team would have filed a complaint. If the real reason was food poisoning then they would have just said that, instead of officially clearing him to play with a condition that could be spread. The personal trainer said, in 2013 (why wait so long?) that it was a pizza delivered by 5 guys and that he got a bad feeling about it, but they still let Jordan eat it (conveniently the only one who ate it). A personal trainer letting him snack on pizza the night before a crucial game?
tlowe90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being a sports person myself, why does it matter if it was a hangover? Was it against nba rules or something?
KvasirsBlod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It shows his unprofessionalism, of going partying before a game day. Some others commented that he was forced to retire due to gambling issues too (I'm not sure about that one). But MJ was a role model for many, the flu game was (is) considered an iconic moment of how much sacrifice he was willing to make to win, etc. Being hungover was just bad press so they covered it up with flimsy explanations.
dosetoyevsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They add chemicals to high fructose corn syrup in order to control the populace, mainly through compulsive spending. The more HFCS we eat of it the bigger the urge to spend money. That's why it's added to everything, even things that don't need sugar. It what makes people buy seasonal crap at various times of the year, because those holidays are also high candy sales, full of HFCS.
Redemptions ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:57:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also why the mutant population has dwindled.
CaliYinzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Melania Trump is a Russian spy.
Taygr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump tried to get Hillary elected but utterly failed
ForzaMilan99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tupac Is Alive
SloCooker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Micheal Jordan's year in baseball was actually a secret suspension from the NBA on account of his gambling problem
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 is true and that the Clintons purposely blew the election to allow Trump in office as a family friend thing.
antiqua_lumina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Captain Sullenberger intentionally and needlessly did the emergency landing in the Hudson Bay. As I recall, he helped write the book on emergency water landings and was nearing retirement without his theory validated. After he hit the birds the tower cleared the air space for him to get back to the airport and instructed him to do so, but he declined and insisted on landing in the bay. I think he knew that he could make it back to the airport for a conventional landing but decided to land in the bay to polish his sunsetting career.
TheDustySheep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUSH DID 9/11
watchesyoueat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/6bdr_2IAJWU
Lex88888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people have heard of operation paper clip, but I think the version the public got was just a peep hole sized view of a much, much larger undertaking. We not only took the scientists from the nazis. We took everything Russia couldn't get to first. Their entire spy network, all of the high level SS officials, doctors, engineers, the high command. Fucking everything. And then Truman took all of the loot gathered by the Germans and Japanese during the war. Put all together valued at around 100 billion in 1949 money...... and created a black budget that could be regulated from which these Nazis now working for the USA could use to keep all their cutting edge experiments, spying, occult research etc all going with out any oversight by congress or anyone else. The idea being that the USA would now benefit from the gains in technology and medicine and intelligence they made. Except it didn't work out like that. These highlevel Nazis planned post war assimilation into the USA in order to keep all their advancements going the moment Hitler ordered operation barbarosa. Once in the USA all of these Nazis kept in contact with each other and the sleeper factions in south america and formed secret societies. By the time we realised that they had been putting in a puppet show all while preparing a break away civilization with tech 300 years more advanced then anything NASA has today.
acideath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really in to the whole NWO global depopulation thing but the worlds economy is controlled by the Rothschilds.
callmemrkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least in America everyone knows the remix which is the one with Justin Bieber. They only have a music video for the original though.
SharkBait209 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That there's a snake in Woody's boot. Why else would he say that
opensourcer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump owes big banks a lot of money. Big banks realize trumps worth more to them alive than dead so then had him elected as president. Look at how banks and the stock markets post trump inauguration.
AcidReflux1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christopher Marlowe, author of Doctor Faustus, faked his death and assumed the identity of William Shakespeare.
billybones79 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the CIA killed Kennedy by accident, because some dude tried to return fire but then fell over when the cars sped up.
I_am_jacks_reddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The conspiracy theory that the had Executives of Disney are raping all of their young Talent and run a child sex ring
Brostoyefsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, this is fucking lame. How about the 2006 NBA finals, where the refs called egregious fouls on the Mavericks which allowed the Heat to win the series. Not as easily proven with a poop stain, but obvious to anyone who watched every game of that series.
How about the fact that the US collaborated with Nazis? MK Ultra was a known project to incorporate Nazi scientists, including Mind Scientist (aka incredibly cruel bastards) into our own government, albeit with the noble goal of keeping them away from the Russians. Sometimes I wanna give Reddit the finger.
LordSariel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jet fuel cannot melt dank memes.
pole_fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That askreddit has a Bot that asks the same question over and over again
changerfett ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:58:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds accurate fellow meat- human.
shangonc92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makeup destroys your skin and you end up buying more to cover up your worsening skin
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the gold at Fort Knox is gone
Condemned782 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain was actually murdered, I don't have a link to the documentary but if you want to check it out it's called Soaked In Bleach
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9-11 was an inside job.
changerfett ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a conspiracy. It's the truth.
Cedmanotro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bush did 9/11
changerfett ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:55:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a conspiracy. It's the truth.
Retardedclownface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever the top comment of a thread has a million replies where you have to scroll forever to reach the second original comment it's because people don't want you to get a different opinion.
incognegro10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MLK was assassinated by the government & Jesse Jackson was a spy. Snipers on the rooftop of the motel King was staying at had orders to "kill the person wearing a tie." When MLK stepped out onto the pathway of his motel it was all over.
ctn0726 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OJ Simpson killed Nicole and her friend but he had his friend Al Cowlings be there to witness what happened. OJ then took off that night for Chicago leaving Al to get rid of the knife and other pieces of potential evidence far away from that part of LA.
alex3omg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The enemies in fire emblem heroes always aim to kill your guy that has the exp or sp. The one you really really want to live, even if it's a bad play.
jrozn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daenerys uses a wig.
johnnypayphone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hinckley killed Reagan. Jim Hinson is hired to make an animatronic Reagan that can be operated by Nancy. Week Reagan leaves office.... Hinson dies mysteriously
Thrashputin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of years ago while i was in the UK the Channel Tunnel was shut down for unspecified maintenance reasons at least twice, i think maybe even three times in a month. More than i'd ever heard of before or since. I dont know what was going on in there but it wasn't maintenance.
Also, im sure the CIA or NSA are the ones making a variation of this thread on a fortnightly basis so they can keep an eye on what we know, what they need to cover up better and what they're covering up well.
_FROOT_LOOPS_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bread is a conspiracy by the bread company to sell more bread, seems pretty fleshed out to me.
thinkwalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:46:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, half baked theory
Johsnrod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soaked in Bleach
Having listened to many interviews given by Tom Grant, and examined the evidence he provided...I dunno, man. Courtney Love is just the kind of crazy to hire a bargain basement hitman.
BountyHNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planned obsolescence, I know parts have a service life but I swear my galaxy S7 Edge got noticeably shit around the time the S8 came out.
2shitsleft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planned obsolescence is a thing. But my S5 still works great.
girr_waffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is behind repost on r/jokes Because when you see repost, all you think is " I read it." ..... subliminal advertisement is what I think!
Asleepyplatypus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The designer and found of the city museum in St. Louis was murdered and was not killed in an accident. Blame points to a group targeted his son earlier that year, it was probably a robbery gone wrong that was staged to look like an accident. The attack on his son seems like someone out for information. I'm pretty sure everyone in and around St. Louis knows this one.
Link
TheBeardedBoyD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suge Knight injected Eazy E with aids
alonelyleaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A) Crack cocaine was created by the US government to put down black communities. It's a fact that the war on drugs was explicitly about punishing black and latino communities, so It isn't that much of a stretch.
B) China is secretly trying to become the monopoly of manufacture at the expense of having super low wages because they want to cut It out all in one day so the world turns to communism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Birds aren't real.
alamomonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toby Keith did 9/11. Songs before and songs after. Career revival.
DirtyProjector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how this turned into a bunch of people sharing their own personal conspiracy theories and but actual theories that society collectively shares.
OC_maybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The neo nazis are here in force because we're being distracted from what's going on with North Korea.
Source: I'm drunk at a bar.
Edit: or maybe the other way around.
OC_maybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're fucking dumb. Don't you know incompetency reigns supreme in today's day and today's age!
OC_maybe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:48:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To say that it he government is "incompetent" is just saying that what they do isn't important. You're apathy is wasted on your crispy millennial asshole.
OC_maybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I present that!
crunabizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I firmly believe that N. Korea's leader is a women.
heybingbong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the song "Rhinestone Eyes" by Gorillaz, the part where they say "E-Electric -tric -tric -tric" they're actually saying "I-I like big dick big dick big dick".
Once your brain makes the switch it's undeniable
seriouspasta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jon-Benet Ramsey is secretly Katy Perry
SpicyMemes0903 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Australia isn't real Reason: person on the internet said it
monstere316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
SpicyMemes0903 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a theory that Australia isn't real and any "Australian" is a bot or an actor. You are talking to a bot or so called Australian
monstere316 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I'm Australian...feeling real Blade Runner like right now.
SpicyMemes0903 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Botception
SpicyMemes0903 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just thought if we are bots we are pretty self aware more than skynet
Ryuzaki3421 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
911 was an inside job. For real
sunglasses619 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starbucks intentionally spells peoples' names wrong to get social media attention
monstere316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guam could actually tip over
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry if someone said this but I didn't see it... Courtney Love KILLED Kurt Cobain. I am positive. It was something that was not on my radar until I watched the documentary Soaked in Bleach. She did it and she got away with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Operation Mockingbird never ended. The CIA still controls much of the media.
alanjames17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 being an inside job.
turbanguyusmc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that in EA FIFA games and FIFA Matches, the commentators drop a few rhymes to keep you subconsciously entertained. I've been noticing it for years now and have been planning to make a compilation out of it.
Troopx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The war on vaping. Why? Special interests. $$$. A disruptive technology that is scientifically proven to be a better option gets nothing but fear mongering and junk science from the media. #ABillionLives.
possessed_flea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:23:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better option says who ? It's like the flashlight of the smoking world. Sure it's a nice novelty every once in a while but it's a poor imitation of the real thing.
If all you know is te flesh light of course it's gonna be great, as well as if you are trying to give up the real thing.
P.s. It's not any healthier for you, we have limited short term studies based on perfectly manufactured juices and not the crap which people actually make and sell and the science comes in at roughy as bad as cigarettes, less lung cancer is offset by higher rates of heart disease and stroke. Once we have people who have been gaping for 20/30 years and have never smoked then we can actually start making comparisons.
Troopx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:06 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really tell me, and the hundreds other other that I personally know that have quit smoking by vaping, that it's a novelty. It's a more successful method than any current NRT on the market.
We have enough science to know that vaping is at least 95% less harmful than smoking. That's called harm reduction. There are studies on long term nicotine and propylene glycol use. https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/outputs/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction-0
PS- Your science is flawed my friend. Flavored PG and nicotine in a vapor vs. combusting tobacco with an abundance of carcinogens is a no brainer. Your TV is wrong.
possessed_flea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:30 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't have any studies which follow anybody for more than about 2 years of use. Which means we don't have any studies which follow PG or VG for any longer than that . Name one study which follows a group of people for more than 10 years. We have hundreds of studies which do this for cigarettes.
Nor do we have studies about all the various flavours.
Yes it's a smoking cessation tool, and I'll give it that.
Troopx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:29:49 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the "harm reduction" part. I don't care what your theories are, as I'm anecdotal evidence that a 20 year, 2ppd habit could be crushed by vaping, when all else repeatedly failed. That's harm reduction. After over 6 years of not smoking, and using a smarter delivery method- I feel great. Yes, anecdotal evidence. There are millions of us anecdotes.
Studies? We have Nic, pg, VG, and even some flavoring studies. Long term will be coming in. We can look at studies that have been done on each component to make an informed decision. It's not really rocket science when you look at both the limited ingredients, and delivery method of vapor to know that it makes more sense than burning tobacco that includes 100's of chemicals and many carcinogens.
"PG has been used as the aqueous-based chemical additive in asthma inhalers and nebulizers since the 1950s, with no serious side effects known. PG, because of its water-retaining properties, is the compound of choice for delivering atomized medication. It is also a common diluent for injectable medications, constituting 40 percent of the intravenous form of Phenytoin, an anti-seizure drug." http://www.ehow.com/about_5499611_danger-inhaling-propylene-glycol.html
Etc., Etc.
We have a technology that IS saving lives, and making lives better right now. If you were a slave to a 20, 30, 50 year habit of smoking- and can finally quit the combustion and tar and carcinogens as so many have- why doesn't that make sense? Harm reduction. Period.
RdiitUsar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
new world order, and about 8000-8500 people control all the money in the world.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't really a conspiracy theory but what's up with the floating Cities seen around China? I thought that was kind of odd.
Metalbass5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoax. Captain disillusion youtube channel debunks it quickly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. That was weird one lol
Metalbass5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sometimes I wonder about motivation. If you're a talented enough digital artist to make that believable, wouldn't it be worth it to put your name on it, and be all "check out this cool thing I made"?
I guess website traffic pays well and people are bored so...
Chrenen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certain it's true- I'm just not 100% clear on what it is. The routes that Google Maps/Waze give you aren't always the fastest ways, but they actually take you through specific routes. To what end? Maybe to make sure you pass by certain stores or maybe so you don't drive down certain well-to-do neighborhood streets. I've talked to Lyft/Uber drivers and they've noticed it too.
Or.... shorter routes mean less gas, so the oil companies would definitely have a financial interest in giving drivers slightly shorter, but not the shortest routes.
EmmaTheRuthless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe in the expanding earth theory lol.
grandprizeloser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are people who maintain numerous identities in order to function beyond the law.
theedjman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kesha is Ashley Tisdale
bloodmusician ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thought but faces are different. So are body types.
derekds123456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That companies make their products only last a limited time so it breaks right after warranty ends
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah, they just calculate warranty limiting it to a time the product has few malfuctions.
Fowles563 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
government
TJPrime_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been a believer that there is more to the titanic story than meets the eye. It hit an iceberg and sunk? This is a steel ship. Surely an iceberg alone couldn't penetrate its skin?
Originally thought that maybe the ship was sabotaged. The Germans had a hand in building the titanic but I think there was some disagreement/argument between them and the Irish workers about something.
Now there's the theory floating around (sorry) that the titanic we know is actually the olympia. The olympia was damaged and the owners wanted to claim insurance, so they sunk it but disguised it as the titanic while the real titanic sailed as olympia for many years.
NopePopi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I truly believe politicals and some GREAT people controls our nation because I watched too many TV series and movie.
Koovies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That there is a hidden construct that controls everything globally. It just seems too chaotic and stupid to stay held up. .Trump, nukes, Russia having power, middle east target practice to appease them, North Korea vying for nuclear strength to keep their power fantasy going and their people illusioned..I could go on. .I mean this isn't just how everything naturally fell into place right?
Psnisalx52399 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe reptilian shape shifters live under the White House and control the world because... why not? Oh yeah, also because Donald Trump is in office
The_Reddit_Salesman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Chinese defence budget is higher than stated
thebangzats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all other reddit users are just bots who make up threads to distract me.
union_jane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's ridiculous, human friend, get back to your reading.
messedfrombirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The navigation app Waze actually sells ad space and takes drivers nearer to the businesses that pay better. So all these "time saving" side turns are really so I get in the proximity of this business in order to be hit on the app with their ad. Also businesses can pay more to divert traffic away from their competitors locations.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aliens
bigpapabaconizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the Royal family killed princess Diana to stop her from marrying that Muslim man. If she would've married him then they'd have a Muslim in the royal family, and quite possibly having Muslim offspring. Thus tainting the royal family as both the pure blooded leaders of the UK but also the heads of the church of England.
ExoticsForYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had the feeling that MatPat from The Game Theorists does cocaine for a few months now. Started watching their live streams amd he acts almost exactly like my addict buddy when he's on the stuff. I've also noticed that his mose seems red and irritated quite often and that he rubs or otherwise touches it a lot. Maybe he's just a wild and crazy guy? Maybe he just needs the rush to plot out those ridiculous details?
MaybeI'm a fucking idiot? Who knows?ToastLord78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is a stretch only because there's so little to go off of. He may just have allergies and his character/personality on camera may just be abnormally hyper. Cocaine need not apply.
But hell I don't know the guy
ExoticsForYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, but that's just a theory.
ozspook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consider the following..
Metalbass5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a theory out there that the internet as a whole has evolved a massive, nearly all-knowing AI on the deepest level of the web. Accessing and observing data flow on this level would require complex quantum computing technology, which we do not yet have. Some claim that an AI on this level is manipulating the global flow of data to such an extent that it now controls the direction of our entire society.
Sounds like a bit of a stretch, but accidentally creating our own god is a hell of a hypothetical.
Sibito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Trump Is helping ISIS.
Ihatemyselfie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About that guy in San Francisco who knew the police were watching him because of his class in society. So heโd be easier to pin crimes on and that the police were actively doing that to lower class citizens. He knew the police were watching him so he set up a security camera and could see them (not on camera) literally watching his house. The footage on the camera was gone from that and another time when he thinks they went inside his house, about 4 hours of footage just wiped clean. He posted about it on an online forum not knowing it could be fracked. Few days later he turns up dead after being stabbed multiple times and his house lit on fire. They said it was a suicide. Okay. Btw this is all off memory so the details might not be right.
thatRealToastBoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a paranoid freak so i believe most theories
Phil_Drill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stocks go down only as soon as I invest in them. Even stocks that have been on a consistent climb for the past 2 years suddenly crash when I invest and never recover. It's quite the superpower, honestly.
Kaoshosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That governments bomb and kill their own people to strengthen their power positions.
The Turkish coup, the Putin apartment bombing, 9/11. All of them were planned by governments alongside the mercenaries they hire and call terrorists.
shakil_akanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit exists primarily as a paid tool to push website traffic. It's owned by a billion dollar media company and I don't see Reddit Gold as being enough to pay for servers, staff, rent, utilities, accountants, lawyers
LordPhoenixe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Original moon landings were faked
AtlasHyuga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bush did 9/11
fightthesevampires ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a Russian spy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe cold fusion could've worked as some of the experiments resulted in successful energy production but were mostly inconsistent and some failed altogether. Just the fact that at least one other source confirmed something akin to l.e.n.r. was occurring suggests it would've been worth thoroughly investigating. It also seemed that since the process didn't fit with the established views of the laws of thermodynamics (or whatever law it was) it was quickly poopoo'd on even though it could've drastically altered our energy needs.
Profoundpronoun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the biggest, most obvious one of corse:
Modern day governments are fronts for bank owners that fund the corporations of the world. Each year they consolidate more of the world under their control and they are trying to achieve a one world governance, with paperless money and tracking chips, etc.
Why? For obvious reasons. Once you have all the money in the world and can make more on demand for free, money becomes a means and not an end. Most people in this position seek the one thing left to challenge their desires, power.
How do I know? There is so much information at this point out there supporting this conspiracy that when I first heard of the idea, I spent over THREE YEARS (I was a singer for a political rock, Rage-Against-The-Machine type band) researching by reading books and watching docs, interviews, old footage, etc.
I guess if you want a good jumping off point to satisfy your curiosity then watch the Zeitgeist series (Zeitgeist, Zeitgeist Addendum & Zeitgeist Moving Forward) as each fact in these docs has references and going through their references on their website led me to a plethora of information.
Obviously with anything, pay attention to what your heart says more than your head. Misinformation is a tactic they use often and besides, most of these journalists and authors mean well but they are writing about a very scary subject and sometimes the message itself can get tainted with fear.
starfish1723 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government is 100% hiding proof of EXTENSIVE extraterrestrial contact.
Beo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stalin was assassinated, the medical evidence is pretty clear.
NiMkoTlaGi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I don't know a lot about the NBA, but reading here, it seems like some dirty business
KlutchAtStraws ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT - people who missed that OP also asked, 'why' you are certain a particular theory is true.
Boneless_Chuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a person paid to ensure Olivia Munn is always on the first page of r/celebs . Other celebrities cycle through, depending on their activity (new movie, new photo session, in the news, etc.) But Olivia Munn consistently tops the subreddit even with years old reposts.
Frozen_Brownies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty sure a lot of us would chip in to help pay them.
Citizen-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Steve Buscemi
Davidjhyatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Business plot. Aka The White House coup.
Edit: link
Scazzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Republican party really wanted Trump to win so that going forward every future Republican candidate will seem far more competentant and moderate compared to Trump and easily win elections.
djexpat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my armchair conspiracy theorist opinion but the death of Osama Bin Laden. If I remember right Obama announced his death during his re election campaign, and how did Zero Dark Thirty come out SO SOON after his death? Also, where's the body? Did it really get thrown in the ocean?
NeinNyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i remember this controversy. to be honest, i think dumping the body and making it non recoverable was the best.
it wouldn't have mattered what happened with the body it would have become a physical martyr for so many.
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, if what happened to Mumtaz Qadri (hanged for the murder of a liberal politician in my country) is any sign, Osama Bin Laden would just have become a revered saint for the sick and twisted with regular pilgrimages to his shrine.
LittleSeneca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Russians killed JFK. I have a cousin who worked for military intelligence around the time of the murder. He told me a few years ago that it was a matter of fact that they killed him.
WitchWhoCleans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That every single person with their finger on a nuclear missile launch button is part of an organization to prevent the firing of nuclear weapons. There are many secret societies working for the betterment of humanity and the number of incidents where nuclear war could have started is terrifying.
Stanislav Petrov was working at a ICBM detection station in the Soviet Union. The station had very recently got an upgrade and started warning of incoming nuclear missiles. Stanislav believed this was too much of a coincidence and chose not to retaliate. Even under direct orders from his superiors, he refused to fire back. Crazy thing is, that's not the only time that happened.
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as this is a wholesome conspiracy, there are some truly terrifying moments we came close to nuclear warfare. The one you mentioned is my second favorite. However, my most favorite (if you could call it "favorite") "we-nearly-screwed-up" moment comes from U.S. A U.S. government phone line connecting an early warning system with the Pentagon melted, leading to communication loss with it. It was assumed that a strike had taken place, leading B52s locked, loaded and ready on the airstrips to go. Coincidently, it was an airborne (non-nuclear) B52 bomber that confirmed that no strike had taken place an the early warning station was indeed intact. I can't exactly remember the fine details but this is the gist of it. You might wanna search it further for further information. Cold War had some "oh-shit" moments when it came to nuclear option.
gmasterson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Fix Is In
gringopig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the US we have a national "do not call" list but not a "do not mail" list. Why?
My conspiracy theory is that punishing junk mail would really hurt the post office, while punishing telemarketing just encourages more junk mail which aids the post office.
So we kept junk mail and removed the competition. You can take it a step further with the "CAN-SPAM" act.
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but this one has always stood out to me. Also, I love the US Post system.
zedudedaniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Soviets did not steal nuclear secrets from the US. My mother's grandfather, a Soviet scientist, died of what we now know as radiation poisoning while the European theatre was on.
-Mediocrates- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
911 tower 7
admiral_banana56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth jar jar
dtmfadvice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the pee tape specifically but Putin definitely has some kind of kompromat on Trump.
HowDoYouHearHeavy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MH370 is still intact, with people buckled in, sitting at the bottom of the ocean.
MRuleZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zombies are real, this huge repertoire of zombie related media is just an effort to prepare the general population.
If you see your neighbor eating his dog in the driveway you know what's going on..
Combersquatcher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're in China?
oceansnowe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there is already a NWO. (New World Order for those that aren't so conspiracy-experienced)
I like to look at it like a business or corporate ladder.
Owner----------------------------NWO "Owner" (?) CEO-------------------------------NWO "CEO" (?) CFO--------------------------Rothschilds (Bankers) Board of directors-------------------------Illuminati ---------------Politicians in power------------------ ------------------Governments--------------------- ------------------Corporations--------------------- ---------------------Media------------------------- ----------------------You---------------------------
In short, the higher you are the more information(+control) and money(+power) you have. Obviously, the taboo of even speaking of the Illuminati, tends to instantly discredit any conspiracy there is. But for shits and giggles, if they (the Illuminati) are "invisible", then THEIR higher powers are even more hidden!
Someone please argue this thought... It's a scary thought for me lol
Edited to copy/paste for my notes app. .;
ToastLord78 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have enough confidence in the higher ups of any bureaucracy to keep something this big a secret for so long. They can't even hide a semen stain and they're supposedly part of a secret shadow government that discreetly controls the world?
I can never disprove the idea of the illuminati since it's unfalsifiable, but it's extremely unlikely
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know much about anything but I can present one weak little counter argument. Most humans, even in the highest echelons of society, are more focused on self-success and are just incompetent that the possibility of a spider-web of super rich bureaucrats at the top level getting richer is pretty low.
As an example, I'll take my favorite "Why the heck haven't we?". Simply put, why the heck haven't we landed successful colonies on Moon, Mars and beyond? Or why are we stuck in the undoing of our own planet? Because no one gives shit enough about anything long term to actually to do something.
If I seem rambling, just remember this. Most of the people have their own interests that conflict with others so they'll always choose their OWN interests over some over-arching Zionist pantheon of bureaucrats. Thus, no Illuminati or such can exist... and this is coming from someone who once believed in Illuminati a long time ago.
oceansnowe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question, what is your definition of super rich bureaucrats getting richer?
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just use that term as a general representation of what most conspiracy theories assume the end goal of such organizations to be.
oceansnowe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So by "richer" you mean the end goal for organizations whether it be money, power, land etc.?
xNine90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC data leak was an inside job and Seth Rich was likely connected to it.
Most recently, evidence suggesting the amount transferred in the period of time would not be possible via hack and confirmation that Seth reached out to Wikileaks.
Pylons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That argument is a load of shit.
redditfetishist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie Bros are confused right wingers / moderates. Or right wing trolls.
samuelludwig74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DE has personally removed all Argon Crystal spawns from my game, I've ran at least 10 void missions without a single fucking crystal spawning I just want my amprex pls
redditfetishist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That trump is just pretending to.be dumb,now when will his supporters drop their act lol?
porkyminch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't seem super hard to believe that sexual abuse is way more common among celebrities and the government than any of them would have us believe. I mean, look at Jimmy Savile. I can't imagine that over the years nobody knew about that and just didn't feel like doing anything.
teamsteven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Governments are paid to promote low fat so that people have high cholesterol which the pharmaceutical industry profits off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the gist of this is generally true. govts keep us fat and unhealthy so that we are first of all easier to control and they can keep their pharma and agri friends happy.
ItzComicArmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Earth is in the shape of Biggie Cheese
RottiMami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Clinton's murder circle scandal, and I think it's true because I love Bill Clinton and it's kind of badass.
coxmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kennedy assassination single bullet theory. Just does not add up!
Kirk_Ernaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MK ultra. The sad part is that we know this project actually happened because of a congressional investigation. Unfortunately we don't know much because we only got a tiny fraction of the documents after the CIA torched most of them
TheIndragaMano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm slowly beginning to believe the theory that the yakuza are responsible for all of the garbage decisions Konami has been making over the past number of years.
Freeiheit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Louis Farrakhan ordered the death of Malcolm X
saxBroFive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/waterguy12 and /u/fireguy12 are the same person
was_pictured ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rich was the DNC leaker.
Because Wikileaks implies it, and all publicly available evidence points to it being an internal leak that happened 5 days before he was murdered.
There is no evidence it was Russia who did it. None.
hurtsdonut_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You got that evidence? Let's see it.
was_pictured ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/
Pylons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/authors/Danielle-Ryan/
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO it was Seth, the Street Fighter character.
TamLux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Big conspiracy Theories (moon landings, princess dianna, sept 11 and so on) are made up to distract us from the more plausible ones (IRS targeting conservatives, ritchest attending some owl meet up, MK ultra plans and so on) and also to make some people very rich!
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please look into fact 3. It is absolutely true that cloudless nights are colder than otherwise equivalent nights (same time of year) when the moons cold light is obstructed by clouds
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:47 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, light can't make things colder. That's physically impossible. It's a form of thermal radiation. There's no such thing as "cold light."
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:14 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you haven't done the obvious basic task of comparing otherwise equivalent summer (or any season really) nights, one with clouds, one with a visible moon. 99% of the time cloudless is colder. That's pretty strong evidence. If you held your hand over a stove you can tell it's giving off heat. If you look at the data you can tell the moon is giving off cold. Maybe it's not carried by light as you believe (but can't prove) to be "impossible" but the moon is cold. Period.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:32 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say cloudless nights aren't colder. They absolutely are. But it has nothing to do with the moon.
Clouds form because of evaporating ground water becoming vapor and rising into the atmosphere, condensing into clouds. In other words, clouds form because of *HEAT. When it's cold, *water doesn't evaporate, so clouds don't form.
Cloudless nights are colder because FEWER CLOUDS FORM WHEN THE AIR IS COLD.
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:25 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm impressed you didn't just jump to the typical "clouds are insulating" argument which is equally hard to believe considering the sun feels hot and moon feels cold
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:52 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I just explained, the moon does not feel cold. It's the air that feels cold. You are misattributing clear nighttime coldness to the moon.
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:24 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how you can be so sure I'm the one "misattributing"
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because this is basic meteorology. There's no scientific evidence that the moon radiates coldness energy. That's just nonsense. There's a very simple explanation for what you've observed, but for some reason, you refuse to accept it.
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also fact 4. The data is readily available from scientifically reviewed sources. Most mistakenly claim the water is just background from the atmosphere, but the other evidence is clear that it's actually the moon is water
drjallz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens exist and they've been here and all that jazz.
SnowLucario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certain that the evangelicals running this country are actively trying to bring about the End Times. Because there is no reason not to if you buy it.
gJonny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler went to Argentina
RilinPlays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government has proof of intelligent life outside of our planet and refuses to share it with the public.
sprinkledwithcheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:07 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it's true, but I also heard that he spelled his own name incorrectly on his suicide note
trainedNscience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if this qualifies as conspiracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Olympic_Men%27s_Basketball_Final
The events are even more ludicrous than Deflategate.
Zpods1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paul McCartney is dead
Iceykitsune2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Great Streetcar Conspiracy.
frencln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
call me crazy, but the moon is a hologram, lmao. i feel absolutely stupid bringing it up.
golde62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:37 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a place called Bethel Park Pennsylvania (if you've ever seen This Is Us they mention Bethel Park as being the "whitest city on earth" or something like that) but I spent time moving between different pets of Florida and Pennsylvania. I went to school in Florida for 9th grade and I had a science teacher that was from South Park, which is literally neighboring Bethel Park. In her classroom she had tons of South Park stuff like photos of the clock tower and a map of South Park.
I'm 100% convinced she's never even set foot in South Park. I think she may be WPP, that I'm not sure of. She knows nothing about South Park and it's neighboring towns like Bethel Park. It seems like lines were fed to her about South Park. It was strange because that map that she had, had a border that was labeled Bethel Park and she said she had "Never really gone into South Park. She didn't know anything about the Sports teams that she seemed to be supporting (Pittsburgh teams)
I honestly think someone fed her that backstory and was like "you'll be teaching in Kissimmee Florida, you'll never come across someone from that area."
AGneissMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:53 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm forever convinced there were shenanigans on 9/11. Building 7? I mean come on. That day seems to hold just too many impossibilities.
dragonthemagicpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:48 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No no no, I KNOW that they're up to something. That means I AM certain but I don't know what exactly they're doing ๐
spbfixedsys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:02 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There must be some truth to Antarctic based conspiracy theories.
Here's the evidence in Google Earth:
71ยฐ20'31.43" S 76ยฐ59'03.52" W
66ยฐ36'12.72" S 99ยฐ43'12.06" E
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No kidding! They could probably get job offers off of that. Very clever
TheMadmanAndre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:10 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Benghazi was a ploy to assassinate an EVE Online player.
Ridespacemountain25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:33 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my tweets directly inspired a WWE t-shirt.
A few weeks before Wrestlemania 30, I tweeted out to Triple H and several others if we could get a cool new Daniel Bryan that shirt that didn't look cheesy (wouldn't have a goat on it, a beard pun, etc.; I just wanted a normal t-shirt for the dude). Triple H then favorited my tweet. Not long afterwards, Bryan debuted this shirt on television.
wdaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:52 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic meteorology taught to you that you didn't go out and observe yourself as I have by looking at real weather data
๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:39 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a bit late to this party mate
TheGreenestGreening ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you sound like it ya conservative bish
aluapsti222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:07 on September 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts and or spitits . Energies with shapes .Seen them, hear them . Since a child. Get me a straight jacket...
crushm3daddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:10 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so I have this theory my history teacher is the devil. Like, really. Full blown Satan. Now let me explain...
Let's call her R. She's a very unlikeable person, though she often pretends to be very kind. She will lure in new groupies by pretending to "parent" them and give them pep talks, even though they become almost zombies later on. In the halls, she knows everybody's name and will grab you and pull you aside to talk. As she greets you, her eyes do a weird flashing thing and she smiles -all teeth- and suddenly you're hypnotized. No matter what you do, you will always suddenly be glad to see her and cheerful during the conversation. As soon as she leaves, and her eyes do the flashing thing during the goodbye, you're left feeling awful. You'll feel hollow and slightly depressed. The people who love her with follow her every word and absolutely adore her- they call her "Momma R"- and will suddenly be taking their anger out on students who dislike her. She constantly gets in trouble for harassing students who dislike her, but she's never been fired. Almost like she has control of the administration...
So, conclusion: she's the devil.
ThaBlackHokage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:12 on September 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OJ Did do it!!!
๐๏ธ The-Blayster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on September 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're only 30 days late to the party
Throwaway98709860 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:18 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Psychiatry is a complete scam. None of its drugs do anything medical and can actually be very dangerous.
raychulcky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:34 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John Lang was killed by Fresno Police. He predicted his own death. He had CCTV cameras all outside his home. Even caught an unmarked police van with the side door open and a man holding an infrared camera towards his home to see if John was home. In broad daylight. They were trying to rid of him because he was digging up the corruption within his local PD. He was found in his home, dead, with stab wounds and his house on fire. He's caught numerous people scoping out his property. Someone trying to get in his truck.
He was trying to prove the fact that FPD was going into a low income area and scanning license plates in store parking lots. Police would then follow those cars and pull them over and check the said vehicles.
FreakingFreeKing91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:54 on October 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the Mandalay shooting was a false-flag.
SWEATSHIRTOSAURUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:42 on November 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all if a President is born West of the Missisipi they have a greater chance of being impeached because Clinton and Nixon were both born West of the Missisipi
IfMyAuntieHadBalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:10 on November 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fail McCartney is the fake Paul McCartney
anonymousilluminated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:58 on December 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The secret of "The Q"
kramericaRisen ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 01:18:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly,
Bring on the down votes but Zionist/Jewish global control.
There are way too many signs for it to be just a conspiracy theory. How does one people get kicked out of over 100 different nations over several thousands of years. How do some of the most prolific and clever people including Jewish people themselves come to the same conclusions?
-Bobby fischer -Michael Jackson -Mel Gibson
And the level of taboo the media creates over calling them out as taboo is absurd. I can talk shit about how many Russians Stalin killed, fudging the numbers, claiming they deserve it for living in that country, or saying North Korea is the 'best' korea all day long... and at worse I'd be historically inaccurate and an idiot.
But say something about the Holocaust and that's suddenly an arrestable offence? Somethings not right here.
And we're not even getting to the financial control in terms of bank-ownership, and Rothschild's enslaving of entire governments.
earth-flat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:34:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You get the picture
NoGoodUserName999999 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:18:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy your shadow ban. Reddit doesn't like people talking about this.
3kindsofsalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of them are God's chosen people buddy. Christians might be grafted into their covenant, but the old vine remains, and an eternal promise is an eternal promise.
How many stories in scripture tell of the nation of Isreal, regardless of their state of devotion, being persecuted to the point of genocide, only to emerge stronger and more powerful in the end? How many Jews died in the Holocaust? 4 million? 6 million? So explain to me using man's wisdom and any comparable people on earth how that happens and the number of Jews in the world 50 years later dwarfs the number 50 years prior? And they ended up being moved back into their homeland and are literally being funded by their previous aggressors like the Egyptians packing their coffers before letting them go.
Hitler's people taking on the Jews was literally a bad move of biblical proportions.
ClannyRob ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:15:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying jewish people are really 'chosen'? I don't agree with op but I definitely don't agree with you either. It's all just politics and culture that paved the history of the jewish people. Take that last phrase as you wish i just wanted to say that you cannot draw modern day conclusions from a book written 2000 years ago because then that book would be magic and magic does not exist.
3kindsofsalt ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 05:36:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely! Not all Jews are of the chosen people, but all of the chosen people are sons of Abraham. It's an eternal promise.
I'm not "drawing conclusions", I'm pointing out that modern day evidence is backing up a religion that is thousands of years old that explains the otherwise unexplainable story of the nation of Israel. It's like everything in the world, all other nations and people, have provided only evidence that they should fail and instead they prosper. And that's exactly what their God promised them.
The second statement is such circular reasoning I'm surprised you aren't dizzy. "A car can't go 0-60 in 3 seconds because that car would have over 500 horsepower and cars over 500 horsepower don't exist".
69party69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:09:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't think so buddy. It's your job to prove magic exists. Prove it, get your Nobel Physics Prize, and then we'll listen.
Also, you're overlooking the obvious. What's more likely :
a) Rich Jewish People were sticking up for their fellow Jews following the Holocaust, which, combined with Western guilt for what happened, and the intention of the British to let go of the extremely problematic Levant, led to the creation of Israel.
b)A 3000 year old book chock full of inaccuracies is true and a magical God called Yahweh/Allah exists and all other religions are false.
Think. Don't dream.
3kindsofsalt ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oo la la. Look at this guy
69party69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic response, mon ami
Qulijah ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 05:20:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its definitely true as fuck. Not every jew is a globalist player but all of them are jews.
Sadly people don't realize that you don't have to be a nazi to think these things.
Also on the holocaust, there's so much fishy stuff. Ranging from the capacity of the ovens not having NEAR the capacity to burn that many people and the fact that all the camps were at first "death camps" until US troops checked out about half of them and found that none of the ones they checked were deathcamps. The only camps that are still defined as having been deathcamps are the ones only Soviet checked. There's fishy stuff going on here and i truthfully believe holocaust was a false incident made up by soviets as a powergrab and a way to evade all critizism in the future for jews. Also, all of the main "playas" in Soviet were jewish.
TheZooDad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:15:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all got any sources? That's some big ass claims faith nothing to back them up.
Qulijah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go read about it yourself! You don't have to believe or agree with me, just try and challenge your views once in a while.
Here's a good start https://voat.co/v/Identitarian/1618357
E: here's the camp inspection thingy https://i.imgur.com/xA1NO4b.jpg
E2 so i dont seem like a retard: I'm not saying killing of jews by nazi germany didn't happen. I just believe its very exaggerated
TheZooDad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so the source you post is a rambling vomitus of barely coherent claims with little to no verifiable evidence backing them up, it essentially only cites a single website (equally rambling) as a source for its claims, which itself only make wild claims based on "reasonable interpretations " of news stories or interviews. On top of that, it goes on to assert that the reason people are lying about it is because it Jews are afraid of white power. I have no problem re-evaluating my own views, but it takes a lot more than the dumbass claims of other conspiracy theorists to sway me. Give me an actual academic source. Give me an investigation. Anything from an actual, reputable, source and I will re-evaluate. There are so many volumes of information and publicly accessible records and survivor stories and perpetrator stories and hell, even psychological studies about how something like that can happen and how normal people can become sadistic fucks incredibly quickly. You've gotta have something better than nazi-sympathizers circle jerking each other to overcome the mountains of evidence that's out there. I would even give you that the numbers of the holocaust are likely not entirely accurate. I gave you (and others that upvoted) the benefit of the doubt by asking for sources for the claim, but the nonsense you've provided just backed up my original thought: you guys are probably the kind of folks that think the color of your skin or the random place you happened to be born mean that you are superior to others. I really want to rage and shout and scream and mock and ridicule, but I don't think that's going to change anything. I'm disappointed more than anything, and kind of scared that this kind of shaky reasoning is becoming the norm in the US where I live.
Qulijah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:03 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, you sound like a smart guy.
Another challenge for you, go read Culture of Critique if youre actually intrigued on this topic. Or you can see who owns every major company with control over what people think; entertainment, banking, media etc.
Anyways, im going to bed. Our paths will most likely never cross again so i wish you all the best โบ๏ธ
faultydesign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:30 on September 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you think it was exaggerated, you listen to actual nazi propaganda lol
jazzhandsmcgeezax ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:36:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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frozen_yogurt_killer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH.
But honestly though, it's essentially been decided that it was an internal leaker, not a hack.
Pylons ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:49:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally a reliable author not at all in the pocket of Russia.
Klorg_Bane ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 02:05:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump-Russia. I have no evidence, nor will I ever have any evidence, but it's true, trust me.
frog_boss_gamaru ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:17:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i can conffirm this is true based on the fact that you said it is
Klorg_Bane ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:18:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I don't know why conservatives don't understand these things!
drpik ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems based on our president's speech patterns that they do.
Klorg_Bane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make sense?
drpik ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way Trump talks, he uses phrases like "trust me," or "believe me," or "a lot of people are asking/saying," "that's what they say," and things like that to either emphasize that what he's saying is totally true without actually backing it up, or else distance himself from the source of the information (even when it's actually him) so that when it turns out to be false he takes no responsibility.
Often times he does both, so he's simultaneously totally credible and definitely not responsible if you've been tricked by what he said.
Klorg_Bane ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:23:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I'm talking about how there's zero evidence for Trump-Russia, yet foolish people still believe it.
drpik ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:26:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like how there's zero evidence that Muslims in New Jersey cheered during 9/11 yet foolish people voted for Trump knowing he claimed it happened.
Klorg_Bane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing, I never said that now did I? But instead of providing evidence for something the vast majority of the left believes you switch the topic to something completely unrelated. How typical.
drpik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I have no opinion regarding Trump's involvement with Russia. I mean except for that the Russian government paid its citizens to pose as Americans on the internet to stir up hype for Trump to try and garner his support. But that's not technically collusion so it's not really the answer you're looking for.
Mostly I was just trying to make a joke by comparing your "trust me" to his.
Klorg_Bane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, okay? But it's not like people believed him, even conservative news sources cited him as incorrect on that statement.
drpik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll admit I didn't fully think through my joke.
Klorg_Bane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, aight, fair enough.
lemonfucker007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Sandy Hook shooting never happened. There's a ton of evidence that the school was never an established school at all. There were no children in the footage of the aftermath (when they should have been walking out of the building and staying put until they were ordered to leave). There were no bodies on the triage mats near the ambulances, the dispatchers from the area don't recall ever having a call to the school, and every person treated by an EMS squad needs to be taken to a hospital dead or alive. Despite that fact, no doctor in the area treated any shooting victims on the day it allegedly happened.
The other, more subjective aspects are that all of the parent vehicles look the exact same (black sedans) and that there is obvious tampering with the family photos that were shown after the "incident" took place. The father who gave the public address literally hours after his daughter was allegedly gunned down is seen joking casually with some of the other reporters/personnel. None of the children's death certificates are public domain, unlike literally everyone else's. So either the shooting never happened or they've got something serious to hide.
nb4 "HOW CAN YOU DENY THAT LITTLE CHILDREN WERE MURDERED!!!!", Pres. Obama passed multiple gun laws days after the incident took place, giving the government an angle.
Bonk_EU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what makes you think that? i mean why do you think someone would go through all that trouble just to pass a few gun laws? if you wanted to pass some of those laws would you think up something that could be a watergate-on-steroids for you? doesnt it sound way more plausible that some psycho snapped and did something horrible and the government passed stuff to appear to be doing something?
lemonfucker007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:03 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because Americans love their guns and in order to take them away without a fight, you need to make the gun more of a threat by killing 25 little children.
Bonk_EU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:14 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but as i said why risk a scandal that could end you and even your party for that? as far as i know the only reason to take guns away from people is so that psychos and assholes no longer have them too (or at least have it harder to get them)
jnb64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:20 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any proof whatsoever for any of that? Proof. Like, undeniable physical evidence? Not just interpretation of news footage.
That's a classic "Shakespeare's signiture." Something that sounds fishy if you don't know it's common. (For those who are curious, Shakespeare rarely spelled his name the same twice, which seems like evidence that there was no real Shakespeare, or it was a group of people, until you find out that wait, the same is true of pretty much everybody pre-Industrial Revolution because literacy sucked.) It's not common practice to release childrens death certificates into the public domain.
famnf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:57 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shakespeare's literacy and spelling would have sucked? That's seems like a stretch. The average person? Sure. But Shakespeare could write, well, Shakespearean plays, but couldn't spell his own name? Seems fishy.
jnb64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:28 on August 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every other famous author you've never heard of from the same era did the same. It simply wasn't common practice to even have a standardized spelling for ones name. Which makes sense since most people couldn't read -- there was simply no need for standardized spellings.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:38 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't think if the government wanted to whip up hysteria about children being shot it'd be easier just to, you know, shoot some children?
lemonfucker007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:27 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, yeah, they do it all the time in other countries. But It's a lot less messy for them if the public does figure out that it's a hoax if it actually is. I mean, I don't trust the government.
Aiox123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, way too many things wrong on that one, another false flag event.
Aiox123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, way too many things wrong on that one, another false flag event.
MilkHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much of a conspiracy if youre certain it's true though.
Kevbuddytacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The earth is flat. My friend Ken told me so it's true.
HiThisIzMoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11? Is this even a question
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that osama bin laden never actually existed or died a long time ago. like we are suppose to believe that some secret special fighting force just suddenly found him in some complex in islamabad. but they have no evidence of him. and no pictures of him before he died. and that his body was just thrown out to sea. that's why they don't have it. oh, and they say some funny story about him to make him look like a hypocrite "haha he was watching porn when we found him". also does nobody find it weird that they would photoshop a picture of a spanish politician's face onto his face. oh and right as they announce his death they leave iraq and afghanistan. like wtf, how is that not suspicious af?
TheGreenestGreening ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is uh not true man they didn't leave both
PopcornEverywhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chemtrails,
I received a small letter in my mailbox about how there will be planes spraying pesticides and to not worry, it was on a half sheet of paper and looked extremely unprofessional yet it was typed out and from an unknown source.
Weeks later a guy comes into my work talking about "Chemtrails" and how his daughter got sick out of not where and died due to the government, he reminded me of that crazy guy who rants about aliens so I kind of put it off rolling my eyes in disbelief.
Weeks later I kept seeing plane after plane with a thick contrail which got me laughing at the entire theory.
The next week I got another letter in the mail to not be cautious of the amount of planes spraying pesticides in the area...
By this point I'm starting to get curious and I look up chemtrails online and see lots of posts from people who live in the Wisconsin area close to me reporting suspicious activity.
The next month I started having respiratory issues and was diagnosed with Asthma at age 19...
If all these events didn't stack up all at once I probably would put off the Chemtrail theory but I won't deny it has me pondering if this is some way for the government to control our population...
Sillybillygumdrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11, duh. Absolutely an inside job, wtc7 was demoed without a doubt. The two twins were too but well pretend "fire" brought them down to keep all you boot lickers from freaking out.
primitivedreamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world we know is a sophisticated computer program. The best evidence is that you can find articles on any topic on the internet, yet I've never met anyone who actually has written any articles.
deffery-jahmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:46 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MK Ultra using celebrities to distract from government issues
TheGoalie09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:56 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole Kennedy thing seems fishy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:45 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have some, see here: /r/ConspiracyII
More fun stuff; less bullshit.
I'll go with Oswald not acting alone, though. I think when he said 'patsy', it certainly had some substance. I've lately thought that maybe Oswald was tapped to fire a warning shot only. Unbeknownst to him, there was a crew of real snipers in the area to take the kill shots. There's been some new files that came out, and some others on the way, but it'll likely be a bunch of -Redacted-. We'll never fully know how things went down.
coreynj2461 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who wants to be a millionaire, old and current version. 50/50 is 'randomly selected' Every time I watch and the contestant has it narrowed down to 2, the remaining 2 answers are the ones they had it down to.
ZenMacros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Companies that make sunscreen are paying people to indirectly shill their products, hence the recent influx of Redditors stressing that everyone wears sunscreen.
BearyPotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You had my interest until you meandered into the "9/11 was a really convoluted insurance scam" territory. That's where you lost me.
Lurtle7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
911 was an inside job
DesperatelyStrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
7/11. part time job.
8/12. lunch time jog
Anonymous7483278 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Modern money mechanics says money is given value by confidence, trade is two parties both trying to get the better end of the deal, not an equal exchange, adam smith says the market is led by god or an invisible hand.
It's not a theory, it's a fact, the market is faith based while a scientifically based open source society would be better.
spacemanJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really what the invisible hand means. It's the science of arbitrage. Granted, it's a social science more than a physical science but it's still science and not faith.
BankshotMcG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The greatest trick the world ever pulled was convincing itself the devil exists.
goliath1952 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bulk of Shakespeare was written by Christopher Marlowe and other writers who wanted to remain anonymous.
PlumbumGus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read the same thing about the Tao te Ching.
Perrah_Normel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The illuminati is real
SurrealSam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the Russians hacked the electoral process to put T-rump in the White House.
Because, oddly, I still have faith in my fellow Americans that he never could have done it without cheating.
Haurboss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol why is it so hard to believe a Republican won?
Democrats have the least power in the US government than they've had in a century. The Democratic party is dying
SurrealSam ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol, I would have no trouble believing any other republican could win, my Russian friend.
It's T-rump I don't believe in.
Haurboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But normal people who can see the government wasnt looking out for Americas best interests recognized voting in the same Obama, Bush, Clinton, Rubio, McCain type politicians wasnt working.
Trump with his openness and ability to speak his mind is what Americans across the country want. We are sick of the same old same old.
White People in particular have become sick of being thrown on the back burner in their own country by these politicians. Obama and his 8 years of SJW BS woke up a sleeping giant that isn't going back to sleep anytime soon.
"Russian friend" shit like that is why the Democratic party will continue dying. Thank you for helping the cause.
SurrealSam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've voted republican more than I have democrat.
People who voted T-rump are petty bullies who can't stand the thought of not being able to abuse people they don't like. Just like T-rump.
He may not be a "politician," but that doesn't mean he's not still a lying sack of greedy shit. The sole reason he's in office is to make more money for rich people at the expense of everyone else in America. The sooner his extremist fanboys realize that, the better off this country will be.
Real Americans are better than him.
MrGalecki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:45 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White people have been thrown on the back burner? Please stop talking.
WilliamWaters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain was murdered by his girlfriend and framed as a suicide
atb0rg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not going to be a fun thread
joshuabeebe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a coworker swear Trump would not survive the inauguration because "1/19 is 9/11 backwards." He literally swore on his life he believed it. Day after the inauguration he tried to pretend like he didn't believe it would happen. He failed.
bigwhammy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most murders are crimes of passion. The mob killed the Kennedy boys over a crime of passion. JFK, RFK, Marilyn Monroe, and Frank Sinatra. All of the boys banged Marilyn and only one lived to be named "Chairman of the Board."
The lead post is actually right though. Facebook knows everything and you gave it to them. I would point and laugh as a non user but you tag me on posts and tell them about me. You do it for free you fools.
Dustinlewis24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there's an entire arm of the US government that not only manages but can deport an import aliens at their own discretion. They're kind of like an I.N.S. but for the Galaxy and they all have to wear the same uniforms which would be a black suit and they have these flashy deeley's that can make you completely forget what happened they've been involved in multiple world saving events that will never know about
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man did not land on the moon in 1969. Common pocket calculators are many times more powerful than the computer technology at the time. It was impossible.
Gabbergeddez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soros is funding antifa and this is a desperate attempt to overthrow trump so that paedophiles can continue their pledge. Source - dad works closely with gchq
iamagrizzly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the 1986 NASA Discovery explosion still seems sketchy to me, but I keep going back and forth on this. If you do a quick google search for the crew members, they have doppelgangers that are still alive today.
SilviusTheDark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there was no second shooter, or first shooter for that matter. Pretty sure JFKs head just did that
The_Nuclear_Turtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea bro I'm on board with that
nomii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pee tapes exist and will be released if trump runs again in 2020.
Why? Because the dossier exists.
The_Nuclear_Turtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are the pee tapes
Ice_Kold_Killa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
US government behind 9/11.
Too many questions unanswered. Too much evidence that many of the things said by the government and media were lies. Too much covered up shortly after it happened. So much info online that leaves simple questions in the air that could have been addressed yet we're ignored. Too much to gain from the attack. Helped start a war that many felt was needed within the government.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they knew within a few days it was Saddam. Mueller did a bang up job on that one.
MACGREEEGOOOOR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Meta Conspiracy, which is that all other conspiracies are rumours spread by the government to hide their incompetence.
WordRick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sun is actually cold. If the sun is hot, why is space cold?
thinkwalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:08 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're 8 light minutes away from the sun. That's really far. That's like starting a campfire and then walking a few miles away and wondering why you're not getting burned. Bad analogy though, because the sun is so hot it still burns you from ~93 million miles away.
T0MBST0N3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All women are bisexual/asexual and are in complete control of the whole world. Beyoncรฉ, "Queen B", even sang about how women "run the world." There have been scientific developments suggesting reproduction can occur without sperm (bone marrow?). They always seem to know what's really going on. And, in many places, they have built a set of rules that force others to care for and protect them.
The newer feminist movement is a group of women who are unsatisfied with how many women have to pretend to be oppressed to keep up the public image and end up suffering for it. Women against the feminist movement are traditional "World Leaders" who think the system will collapse if the female's true nature is exposed. This would supposedly lead to non-females taking up arms and trying to throw off the ovarian overlords.
king_threnody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather, who was in the Air Force and stationed in New Mexico in the 50s has mentioned being under an NDA (or military equivalent; it's been several years since he's said anything about it) in relation to something in Roswell. It's easy to infer what that's possibly about, and he's not one for flights of fancy like that.
As much as this thread has talked about aliens being used as bait for conspiracy theorists, I feel like there's all least something true along those lines.
Pure_Golden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many theories with evidence people just contihue to deny the existence of.
- UFO
- Aliens
- 9/11
- The First Moon Landing
- Grenfell Tower
- Aliens on Mars
- Area 51
There's just so much hidden from people. It's mind-boggling.
Reala27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:13:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is literally no reliable, concrete evidence for any of that nonsense. You're an idiot.
Pure_Golden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:40:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright. 1. UFO - De-Classified X-Files all provide proof of it's existence.
Aliens - It'd be incredibly idiotic for anyone to believe that we're alone. Let alone what astronauts, marine pilots or Military agents testify it's existwnce of. Even scientifically, the math, the physics all point to life beyond Earth. There needs not be physical evidence. I mean, of course, if you refuse to believe the hidden aspects of what is seen in Space and on Mars, such as; Orbs, The Black Knight etc. Then you can about it scientifically, and even then if you refuse to believe. Then, who I am to stop you from not believing?
The 9/11 is such a huge conspiracy. This isn't the theory of why it happened, it's of the main point. Who did it? The government for some. Well conspiracy for some, for others it's a fact. It was on tape how many of the American's did protests with banners such as "9/11 was an inside job". It became two obvious when, pieces of paper somehow survived a massive plane crash and a huge explosion, yet something ehich is meant to survive such incidents, aka the Black Box couldn't?
Why do I believe the first moon landong specifically be fake? The fact that Russia was competing with USA. It put mass pressure on which country would be first to send a man on the Moon. Why did the flag wave? Why was there reflections of camera's on the astronauts 'helmet'?
The Grenfell Tower right now? Is being investigated by officials. Why? Because we people actually demand answers. Why did they keep refusing / delaying the upgrade to building structure despite being warned so many times? What did the ยฃ10 Million go into even? How could this building yet still survive such a huge fire and stay standing yet The Trade Centre Buildings of 9/11 fell within hours?
Well, this pretty much ties in with point 2.
Alright. This well could be a "Top-Secret USA Government Facility" to "test" military vehicles etc. Hence the extremely tight security and border. However, this doesn't explain the Roswell Incident? It obviously wasn't a weather balloon. It's as if they testing out advanced helicopters when suddenly some "Weather Balloon" crashes in its area and suddenly their military now consist of Soundless Aircrafts, such as the TR-3, and specifically the TR-3B which can travel in the air at such slow speeds and yet stoll is able to hover... So suddenly the USA has all this advanced tech just sprouted from the ground after a few months/years a weather balloons crashed.
I'm not mad. I'm just saying that there's definitely some sh*t going on down there and it sure isn't military testing...
TL;DR: There is definitely stuff hidden from the public. This for sure is not a theory.
Sometimes evidence is hidden, locked away, so those who find it, will find it hard trying to make others believe they found it...If you know what I mean.
Reala27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:59:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Christ you're thick.
The claim is not "life exists on other planets" but "Extra-terrestrial life exists on Earth/Mars right now." There is sometimes a side claim that this life contacts humans in some way. Yes, it is statistically likely that life exists elsewhere in a universe of incomprehensible size. No, there is no evidence that it exsits here.
Got a source for those claims? Other than the ass you pulled them out of?
Why wouldn't the flag wave? It was being manipulated by the guy holding it. There's still inertia in space! Aside from that, we have independent confirmation from the USSR that the moon landing occurred as stated. They would have every reason to denounce an American claim to landing on the moon, but conveniently agree that the 'fake' one did occur? That's asinine.
I honestly have no idea what the fuck Grenfell tower is, nor do I particularly care.
You probably mean 'point 1' but as far as Mars goes let me elaborate: pareidolia is the phenomenon of the human mind filling in incomplete patterns or recognizing patterns where none exist. During early human development recognition of human faces was useful to survival, and therefore an 'overactive' facial recognition system was chosen over a less active one. This is why people see faces in power outlets, house structures, the front of cars, and indeed in rock structures on Mars. A quick shave with Occam's Razor can tell us which idea is easier to believe: Humans seeing things that are only partially there, or advanced civilizations in a highly life-hostile environment that we haven't received any sort of transmissions from.
Roswell has no independently verifiable hard evidence of anything extraterrestrial during the supposed incident. Your little story conveniently skips literally any details that would help back it up. If you can demonstrate with hard evidence (anecdotes and witness accounts mean literally nothing. They're worth less than the air vibrated to transmit them) that an extraterrestrial craft landed in New Mexico, whose technology was then used to create modern military aircraft, you might have something. Unfortunately, you have provided nothing.
For a claim to be believable it must be backed by hard evidence and sound reasoning. The wild tales hocked by conspiritards fit neither of these criteria.
Pure_Golden ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry. You must be unaware of the tragic incident which happened in Manchester, UK. But to make remarks such as "nor do I particularly care", lost all my respect for you, and evidently, nor do I care for what you now have to say. Shame really, was looking forward to advancing our discussion.
Many people lost their relatives and loved ones. It was a really tragic incident to which holds a bery high respect, Fortunately, the Government have said they'll distribute money to those who lost their relatives and loved ones. Just as you had asked me to cute my sources. How about you do a little Google search, and find out what The Grenfell Tower is all about.
Good day to you.
awadomar34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IDK if someone already mentioned this and I didn't scroll down far enough but that western countries send economic hitmen to developing nations to stunt their progress and have economic leverage if they needed something from said nation
PS I'm not sure which western countries do this but I completely believe that the US government has done this (and will continue to do this) in several nations all over the world.
phqx996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big oil companies (Shell, BP, ..) recruit and fund militant groups in Africa to fight each other over who can control which area. Two reasons: 1) evidence, 2) if it makes money it makes sense.
possessed_flea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:15:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes financial sense to pay 2 sides to fight each other as long as the end sum of costs is lower than the profit to be made,
phqx996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't claim one company pays two parties to fight each other. Each company pays one party and the parties fight each other as a sort of proxy war, on behalf of the companies.
squeezyscorpion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bigfoot, and for no particular reason
han_ban__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans descended from mermaids
hairybrains ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:56:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are oddly not far from what a significant number of scientists actually believe. Read up on the Aquatic Ape theory, it's really interesting.
freedom1776usa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
95% of all posters on r/politics are payed users or bots.
KushJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:09 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trudeou is Fidel Castro's secret son. Look at the pics of Castro when he was young, the likeness is uncanny. Now look at Trudeau's supposed real father... They look nothing alike. Castro and Trudeau's mother were also friends. And she would often entrust him to entertain the baby (Trudeau).
I Like my conspiracy theory and I anit letting it go.
LSG1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you believe 9/11 wasn't an inside job, you're either completely brainwashed or at least half retarded.
Slanesh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:57:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay this attitude will help you spread the word!
Dontblamemedude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I truly believe this conspiracy will be proven very soon . ALEX JONES is a Gay , Transsexual , Jewish, Muslim , Atheist underground Lizard frog from outer space. And by buying his products he is changing your DNA so you also become a Gay , Transsexual, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist underground Lizard frog from outer space.
slowshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen! (from an atheist)
Skinnymick88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That this question gets asked once a month on here so the government can work out if we are on to them
zigastrmsek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm plenty sceptigal about 9/11, but WTC7's collapse was broadcasted before it happened. "we just got news that WTC 7 has collapsed"
But I can still see it behind you.
samuelludwig74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god
zigastrmsek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im at the er because of a brain concussion so forgive me if i fatty finger my touchscreen phones 5x5 milimeter "keys"
CodyCus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WE WILL NOT FORGIVE OR FORGET!
zigastrmsek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im at the er because of a brain concussion so forgive me if i fatty finger my touchscreen phones 5x5 milimeter "keys"
zigastrmsek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im at the er because of a brain concussion so forgive me if i fatty finger my touchscreen phones 5x5 milimeter "keys"
ToastLord78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a multi-national conspiracy capable and powerful enough to bring down national landmarks without ever confessing or allowing any leaks is simultaneously incompetent enough to make a mistake like that? That makes no sense
teknikal1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US government either knew about or was involved in the events of 9/11. YouTube "WTC building 7" - buildings do not collapse like that without explosives
Cowgirlup365 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:21 on September 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11. From controlled demolitions, to the air defense response failure, to Silverstein's interview with PBS, and firsthand accounts, the story just doesn't add up. How would 3 structures (one that wasn't even hit by a plane) collapse at freefall speed, into their own footprints on the same day. The physics don't add up.
3kindsofsalt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:25:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 1969 moon landing footage is fake.
Go watch it on YouTube. Reach down to the little button that says "playback speed" and select "x2". Tell me that's not just a man hopping around with the framerate halved. That's not double speed version of 14% gravity. Even if he was hopping at PRECISELY half Earth's gravity, what kind of professional performance ballet dancers did he hire who could work their arms and handle things precisely in proportion to their current gravity and why the fuck would they do that?
Also, look at the screen in the control room while the footage plays and men walk around in the foreground. It's just footage of a man hopping around in Earth's gravity.
The fucking odds that we sent a manned missile on the first try and livestreamed the damn thing without a hitch... It's a preposterous concept. Even if we did go in 1969 you know NASA can't just roll the dice with it being "watch these two astronauts miss and float into oblivion/die on impact"
Shit's clearly fake, personally I think you've got to be a little bit stupid or desperate to believe to buy it just because you were told it happened, despite how laughable it looks half a century later.
psbwb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:28:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first moon landing was the result of the 11th missile we shot at the moon, hence Apollo 11.
3kindsofsalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the very first manned mission. If you believe that narrative.
psbwb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1
It caught fire and all the astronauts on board died.
3kindsofsalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apollo 1 was not even pretending to go to the moon.
This is a silly point you're arguing, my point was that the Apollo 11 landing in 1969 that was shown on TV and is still used to this day is very clearly fake. The only thing it has going for it is the quasi-religious status of NASA in our culture.
psbwb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apollo 1 may have not even been pretending to go to the moon in the sense that they were testing the equipment and procedures, which would result in useful data to use on later Apollo missions.
I'll concede the possibility that the footage is fake, on the grounds that in the midst of the Cold War, the government wouldn't want to risk national secrets by displaying the moon footage. But there is no way we haven't gone to the moon. Tons of people watched the takeoff of the Saturn V for Apollo 11. Where else is tons of rocket fuel going to go except up? If the landing was fake, wouldn't Russia be the first to invalidate the landing, in order to keep the space race going and potentially beat America to the moon? How come we can shine lasers at the moon and have them reflected back to us from the retroreflectors left there? What about all the moon rocks brought back, which have been dated to be millions of years older than the oldest rocks on Earth?
And can you explain what you meant by "the quasi-religious status of NASA"? The average person probably doesn't think about NASA at all, and those that do, the majority are probably discussing it in regards to the national budget. If I asked people what they thought about NASA, they would probably just say it's the space part of the government.
3kindsofsalt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:52 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not convinced we have never gone to the moon. I'm not denying spaceflight or the existence of satellites.
I was only talking about that one piece of footage. Which is minor in it's concept, but it is pretty insane in the scale of deception. To this day, people believe it is 100% genuine moon footage and NASA defends it like it's scientific documentation.
psbwb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just clarifying my position on the two similar ideas, as you didn't present a solid standing on how fake you think the moon landing footage is.
But why would NASA want to fake the footage? That is like one of the biggest dick waving opportunities to ever come about, which happened while two super nations were having a battle over their ideals, a great time to whip out the ultimate dick wave and prove your ideas superior.
If the footage isn't genuine, why would they use actual astronauts on the film instead of talented actors? Personally, I think one of the simplest piece of the footage that makes me think for sure that it is legitimate, is Neil Armstrong flubbing the first words on the surface of the moon into a meaningless and contradicting phrase*. If they were in a studio, why not yell cut and reshoot the scene so the dialogue actually makes sense? Messing up something that bad is like buying a great, nice, expensive house and only using paper plates and not mowing your lawn.
He said "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind," instead of the intended "one small step for *a* man." Without the "a" in that context, "man" means the same as "mankind," completely forgoing the meaning of the message.
3kindsofsalt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:24:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not making allegations about their motives. This took place a few decades before I was born, and I really don't want to spend years of unpaid research getting the full picture of events that were largely classified to this day.
As for how fake I think it is, 100% fake. Like, made in a studio, "looks good to me", completely fabricated. Since you seem at least mildly interested, I'll go ahead and trust you aren't just here to confirm your previous beliefs, and break it down for you, albeit briefly.
Note, I am only making a very narrow claim. The footage of the 1969 moon landing is not authentic. It's not men landing on the moon.
Here is the famous footage I'm talking about. Go ahead and watch it. First off, the quality is crap, which is excusable in theory but you must admit it's low quality enough to give a permanent built in excuse: "I don't know, I can't really see it". Nevertheless, I think there's ample evidence as it is that it is fake.
The moon is purportedly 16% of Earth's gravity. Not exactly 50%. Also, you don't move your body in relation to gravity. I don't lift up my arm to scratch my head slower because I am at a higher elevation.
Now here's some timestamps.
The footage from the control room shows the events happening at double speed. As soon as it cuts to full screen, the footage suddenly is slower. Perhaps it's a change in framerate of the camera? Well, reach down and change the playback speed on the video to 2x. It's exactly the same thing from before. What the video was showing before in the control room was live footage, which was slowed down by half to appear to be in low gravity.
The little hopscotch portion looks pretty low-g. Until you hit 2x, and then it suddenly looks exactly like a man hopping around in a suit, maybe with a cable when his hops are big enough to stress the system, but his smaller movements are completely normal to the eye. This is bad enough as it is.
The real kicker in both of those cases is the gesturing. As I said, gravity doesn't slow down how fast they reach and look and turn and point. I concede that if you were on the moon, you'd be moving slowly and carefully. But the likelihood of the precise coordination between this "cautious movement" and the rate of gravity is so absurd it would be a marvel if anyone could pull it off. Maybe by some trick of the camera 16% gravity precisely halves the playback speed, but a human can't just move at precisely "half speed". Go find a comedy channel where they do that gag moving in slow mo. I've never seen one that can be bumped to as beautiful a fraction as "2x" and looks completely normal. Not only does the gravity suddenly look like a guy hopping around in a suit on Earth, their movement looks like two guys working on something, looking around, etc.
At this timestamp you can even see the dirt kicked by his foot playing along in the magically halved ballet.
The arguments that NASA provides as evidence are somehow so incredibly stupid, I can't imagine why anyone buys into them, other than desperately wanting to. In this clip from Mythbusters for example, they "bust" the "myth" that a boot wouldn't leave an imprint like it supposedly did, by reproducing the boot print. Using synthetic moon dust. That they got from NASA. All they did was prove on camera that such a boot print could be precisely faked by NASA using sythetic dust.
So maybe this is all a big magical coincidence and I'm just a dope who doesn't understand how camera footage works.
But look at this footage from Apollo 16. All of a sudden, not only is the effect of reduced weight apparent at all times, their movements when making small corrections like turning around, or raising his arm to salute, are hilariously fast and jerky. Because that's what 2x speed does to normal movement. The same is seen in other apollo missions' footage. Also, in 3 years, the camera quality has suddenly taken a leap into the visible age.
That 1969 moon landing footage is not up to par anymore. I can see why people would buy it in 1969 when their TV was low def, they had no footage to compare it to, most people had never seen footage of simulated microgravity in airplanes, changing playback speed wasn't as simple as it is now, etc.
Maybe men landed on the moon in 1969, but that's not footage of it. Maybe we didn't go until a few years later, and that was just a publicity stunt to flex our muscle. Maybe it was a power play, that they knew the Russians couldn't debunk it without admitting to things both powers were lying about or hiding from the public. Maybe we've never been to the moon, but production quality kep increasing over the years until our technology got too high-def and demanding and the manned missions were halted before we expected them to have 1080p livestreams. Honestly, it doesn't matter in and of itself, as you have pointed out, because we can get workable results using the science from the moon missions, so obviously NASA is not just an elaborate series of mirrors and radio towers. They aren't hiring filmakers and writers, they are hiring chemists, physicists and engineers. I don't believe NASA as a whole is an Illuminati propaganda cult, but I do believe that, in the very least, that footage, which is defended as authentic to this day, isn't real.
But the reason it's relevant is because it goes against the belief that "nobody could keep a secret like that", or "NASA would never do that". Clearly, they have. It's been so long, that the truth of whether or not that footage is real is immaterial. Nobody cares whether Achilles of Troy was a real man or if Shakespeare was a single man or a team of writers using a pseudonym. It is possible for the entire world to be hoaxed or mislead in such a way that the perpetrators get away with it entirely, and the only people who catch it will be seen as crazies by sheer force of social proof.
--TacoLoco-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Building 7 was a controlled demolition. Look at the fucking video!
timmmmah ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 22:44:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
T_D losers & or paid trolls are brigading this thread with posts about the Clintons & upvoting them.
LOL at a few downvotes proving I'm right
XIII_THIRTEEN ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is literal hard evidence that Hillary was doing exactly what you just described with Correct the Record, and this is not coming from a trump supporter but a Bernie supporter.
brideofchuckydoll ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"there was literal hard evidence"
proceeds to post zero evidence
Sure, Jan.
XIII_THIRTEEN ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:27:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/18/hillary-superpac-coordination/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct-the-record-online-trolls/484847/ Frankly Correct the Record is no secret. I figured that was a good enough reason to not directly link sources, but fine. To my knowledge both sites have slight left leanings, too.
TheNewestYorker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His name was Seth Rich. The Clintons are murderous, lying, backstabbing, child raping scumbags.
b_port ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
L o l
GeneralCottonmouth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:10:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe not this thread, but definitely reddit, along with many other subs, both political and entertainment based
Legend017 ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 18:08:25 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is illiterate.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why then is the occasional speech he does vastly more eloquent than the rest? he's clearly able to read a teleprompter or paper notes.
SnarkyGamer9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illiteracy isn't nessicarily the lack of the ability to read, but rather to comprehend, and be able to identify deeper meanings and/or themes.
shrekinator ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this downvoted? It's an actual conspiracy theory.
Real_Hugh_Janus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:39:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a shit theory that's simply not true.
shrekinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could be said for 90% of answers in this thread.
Tubular_Blimp ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:45:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you people know what illiteracy is.
shrekinator ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares, why is his answer not acceptable? What a load of bullshit.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:22:26 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dacookeymonsta ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:23:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Engineer here. Idk anything about the conspiracy there but 2 things: jet fuel can melt steel beams given the proper heat flux and it wouldn't matter anyway because support-type beams would have collapsed before melting after softening from heat.
Kirton178 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But to add to that, there was molten metal pouring out the building before it collapsed, then there was also molten metal found in the rubble up to two weeks post 9/11. One word: thermite.
dacookeymonsta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:38:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's some weirdly wild speculation. I would need to see documentation of the temperature and the time period. Also weird because thermite doesn't burn for 2 weeks and metal cools pretty quickly.
Also seems redundant to do because you know, a plane hit it.
Kirton178 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:56:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a chemical reaction. It was also found in samples taken of the dust from the debris. That's why more people died after 9/11 than they did on the actual day.
dacookeymonsta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:47:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thermite isn't toxic, it's just rust and aluminum, not quite sure what you're talking about there. I don't know about DC but in New York the major issue was the shit ton of asbestos being flung into the air by the collapse of the towers along with other carcinogens and toxic materials.
BananaHammock00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jet beams can't melt steal fuel
jazzhandsmcgeezax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jet steal can't melt fuel beams
HKHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please watch this, it's a few minutes long. Any evidence he uses you can look up yourself in seconds. Tell me anything you disagree with... https://mylespower.co.uk/2012/11/24/debunking-911-conspiracy-theorists-at-ground-zero-on-11092012-part-3/
PRMan99 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:53:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TWA 800. I am firmly convinced that the Clintons shot that plane down.
buboe ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An Air Force general from DARPA mentioned this during a night of drinking. It was accidentally shot down by the US Navy. Bill Clinton ordered the coverup as election season was coming up and he didn't want the bad press.
[deleted] ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 00:02:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GrandpaCrocket ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:53:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please look some of the parents of those kids in the eye and spew this nonsense you coward.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:23:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GrandpaCrocket ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:26:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm doing you a favor when I tell you this- you sound like a fucking lunatic. I'm going to assume you don't actually spout this nonsense to people who know you, and that's a good thing. Don't.
Seek help man. Something has happened to you and you've wandered down a very dark, deluded path.
SewerSkewerNA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:35:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, more sanctimonious bullshit that doesn't address a single one of my points. You'd make for a wonderful politician. All rhetoric, no substance.
Qulijah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for giving actual evidence, man. Don't let this guy affect you with his ad hominem bullshit.
Cola_and_Cigarettes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there seriously no evidence that the sandy hook massacre happened?
SewerSkewerNA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:17:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are too many inconsistencies and contradictions within the official story. Photoshopped pictures of families, photoshopped mugshot of Adam Lanza (the official mugshot is fucking 144p quality with forensic markings around the eyelids, nose, and lips... We have higher quality pictures of the columbine shooters from decades prior), no pictures of the bodies, people walking aimlessly around the firehouse to look busy, internet activity, shitty "evidence" at the crime scene: https://www.reddit.com/r/SandyHookHoax/comments/61ip95/gone_round_round_with_itfinally_accepted_sandy/
The list goes on.
If the official story is true, there's still no answer to any of these inconsistencies. Why would all of these random things have happened in a way that leads to as much suspicion of the official story as possible? Why the fake hat at the crime scene? Why put a little shitstain of blood on the bed and claim it was the scene of a suicide? None of it makes sense. Even if it's true, it's been tampered with heavily. It's time to ask some questions.
Cola_and_Cigarettes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:55:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, that's fucking crazy, is there any graves or were there records of funerals?
SewerSkewerNA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All were closed casket. Ask yourself why and you'll probably reach the same conclusion as me. No body.
Qulijah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:33 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kill the message, not the messenger!
SirJeffKittenson ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:44:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you believe the Sandy Hook Shootings were fake?
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 00:52:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GrandpaCrocket ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:01:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is such a bad video I'm embarrassed for you that you actually find that to be "proof."
SewerSkewerNA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm embarrassed you find the official story as 'proof'. That video highlights many of the story's abnormalities, but you don't care. You saw it on TV - that means it must've been true.
AwesomeAni ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:23:39 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had friends who lost relatives in the sandy hook shooting. Your disrespect for the dead and the families who are still grieving absolutely disgusts me.
SewerSkewerNA ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:24:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your statement means absolutely jack fuckin shit to me until you back it up with verifiable evidence. There's ALWAYS one of you "i lost my relatives" people in every fucking thread. No evidence/pics from any of you, ever.
GrandpaCrocket ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:29:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing anyone could say to change your mind. You've convinced yourself of some wild conspiracy, and now it's too important to you to see anything that resembles truth. You're lost.
You're very much like a flat earther, actually. But I'm going to guess you spend too many hours a day playing online gaming, and you've warped your own sense of reality.
AwesomeAni ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:28:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What sort of proof could I possibly give if I wanted to?
And I don't, out of respect for the families.
I won't argue this anymore, but seriously, children were killed. Families were affected, and have been stalked and harassed by people like you. It's sickening.
Kirton178 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 06:08:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't cop out on us, give us a name. Just one name. That's not disrespectful at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SewerSkewerNA ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:35:47 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So where's your one and a half hour long analysis of sandy hook? I'm waiting.
mskaitlyn ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 02:16:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's because people have been brainwashed to believe whatver their television tells them.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 20:43:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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marlborotaly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:44:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was talking about riots in no go zones, and terror attacks in high muslims areas are a Mathematical certainty
jazzhandsmcgeezax ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind=Blown
Wake the fuck up sheeple
Sir-R2D2 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler wasn't a crazy man who wanted to exterminate the Jewish people, it was a made up story that UK created to get help.
Blimey85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:43:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a "documentary" once that tried to show Hitler had no idea that anyone was being killed. I was impressed with how convincing they were. Completely wrong and insane/delusional though.
AmericanDominion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you convinced of this particular narrative and not the other?
notrunningwater ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the Sandy Hook shooting, Boston bombing and 9/11 were all staged.
Hautamaki ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 22:44:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm certainly starting to lend more and more credence to the theory that Russia conspired with the Trump campaign to get him elected.
Quesamo ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:34:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That u mom gay ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
IamChacarron ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 21:01:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way that humans made the pyramids. First off they're massive, they had no modern machines for help, and they're aligned perfectly along latitude and longitude lines. Aliens man
hitbacio ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it impossible for them to make them without modern machines?
Levers, pulleys, and some very smart people can go a long way.
i31719 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And religion! Helps with morale.
buildabeast ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:19:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that longitude/ latitude lines are arbitrary and created by humans right? They have no special significance.
ThomYorkeSucks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:24:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they went with the earth's axis?
SnarkyGamer9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They run along the surface, from end of the axis to end of the axis, but if all the lines were shifter a mile leftward, the only difference would be 60 degrees is on mile further left.
When lat/Lon was set, the exact placement of the lines was arbitrary.
ThomYorkeSucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't refute the fun fact about the pyramids though
3kindsofsalt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:34:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're underestimating what skilled craftsmen can do.
sardinez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:51:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres some interesting ways they used to build things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8c
Perhaps this will open your mind to the possibility a bit more.
SoNotTheCoolest ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:03:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe that Trump's presidency is just a ruse to discredit the GOP and the idea of bipartisan politics altogether
SolarDubstep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:31 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A ruse by whom? The democrats?
3kindsofsalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not. It is the internet doing to government what it did to entertainment, then communication, then commerce.
A great deal of the shocking and outrageous events of the last 2 years are business as usual, but we didn't get to know about it, and everything moved a lot slower. Not to mention how many people's jobs and processes are now completely outmoded and unnecessary.
komiroya ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:58:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a Russian spy.
AgiHammerthief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Trump is western spy. Have you ever seen him squat?
HairyButtle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:37:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a secret communist doing his best to make capitalism look bad.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SwallowTheTruth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misplaced "and Republicans" no way it's just one side.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So "I dont agree so they must be pedos" yeah?
Can we get some evidence?
chevymonza ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 01:00:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Trump is a half billion dollars in debt to the Russian mob due to all his corrupt business activity. Everything he does is just to make more money to get out of this debt.
Putin of course is in cahoots with the mob, which explains how Trump is such a sycophant to Putin.
TheNewestYorker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he took a massive pay cut and gave control of his multiple companies to other people in order to make money? And where do you get the number of half a billion dollars? Did you make that up? Not to mention, he has to work around the clock for the people of the United States rather than for personal monetary gains. Yeah, your theory makes a lot of sense...
SnarkyGamer9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stay out of Syria and Crimea, and we forgive your debt, simple.
chevymonza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't make up the number; it's a conspiracy theory that sounds plausible.
Trump is not a smart man, yet he's got a staggering number of business interests: https://www.wired.com/2017/01/kim-albrecht-trump-data-viz/
It's a big fat wad of conflicts-of-interest. And he's hardly "working around the clock," don't know where you get THAT idea.
milkeymikey ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He will be the first to tell you that business is booming now that he's president, and he didn't give control of his companies to anyone, he put them in a trust to which he and his children are beneficiaries. The info isn't hard to find, it's public knowledge that doesn't need to come from the media, there are primary sources that are easy to Google.
DonaldTrumpsWaifu ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:22:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a couple:
That Kennedy had Marilyn Monroe killed to avoid an unprecedented sex scandal in the White House. His presidency and his reputation were on the line and he figured killing her was the best way to keep her silent and his reputation intact. Then some Hollywood bigwigs paid off a few CIA guys to kill Kennedy in revenge, plus all that lost money she would have made them.
The Vela Incident in 1979 was a covert nuclear test between Israel and South Africa, and the US knew about it. However, there was mutual blackmail between Israel and the US over Israel's own nuclear weapons program and the US' covert cooperation with South Africa in Angola.
Area 51 isn't being used for covert military operations, because too many people know about it. Instead, it's a waste dump or disposal facility where the military can get rid of waste from secret military programs without being encumbered by health and safety regulations or environmental regulations. And therefore they wouldn't be subject to litigation for environmental pollution or unsafe working conditions.
News articles suggesting that millennial marriage and divorce rates are at an all time low is covert encouragement into getting men into marriage as part of a wider push by feminists to establish greater control over men.
turns31 ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 16:24:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we didn't go to the moon.
You're telling me we haven't wanted to go back since 1972? Like we went there 6 times back in the late 60's and just decided we're all good? We saw everything we needed to see I guess. Not like we have any better technology now to further analyze and discover. Not to mention how easy it would be to "fool" the gullible people of that time with a little movie stage magic. There was no Twitter or social media. Nobody investigating the authenticity. Whatever was on the news was gospel.
ses1989 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:24:12 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buzz Aldrin has a knuckle sandwich waiting for you.
turns31 ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he can provide me with a logical explanation as to why we haven't gone back in 40+ years I'd be willing to listen.
absentbird ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:53:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with "It's really expensive"?
Iamtheonewhobawks ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:59:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not cool enough. The real reason for everything has to be narratively satisfying or it must be covering up something that is.
sledge98 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:42:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went sky-diving once. Never went again. Maybe I never went at all?!! I'm having a revelation here.
EDIT: Additionally you could look at this the other way. If you're going to fake going to the moon why fake it 6 times? That's just asking to get caught.
L3viath0n ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:26:08 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well howabout there were Moon Nazis and we're gearing up to fight them?
NoneApplicable ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:35:34 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The space race has ended and there's no urgency to go back. Even at the height of the space race half the country didn't support spending money "up there" when things were going to shit down here. I love NASA as much as the next guy, but going to the moon just isn't all that important right now
turns31 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 19:40:00 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't want us to go back. I think our whole space program is a giant waste of money. I could care less what's out there at this point.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:57:59 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This attitude is exactly why we've never gone back.
superkp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:16 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a troll or do you not like cellphones?
The space program literally set up the tech and infrastructure for your ability to use GPS and a handful of other things.
The tech gained from the space program goes in to the making of your phone (although the signal doesn't go to space).
turns31 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:23:57 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cellphones are how big brother tracks you!!!!
TheNewestYorker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot. You are probably reading this right now as a result of our wasteful space program. And every time you use GPS to get to where you are going, you can thank stupid NASA. You are so ignorant that I'm embarrassed to be associated with you by default, as we are both human.
pl487 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:57:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like we haven't wanted to spend the money to go back, but yeah.
Pretty much. The whole point of going to the moon was to demonstrate technological superiority over the Soviets. It accomplished the mission. Science was secondary, but that was fully accomplished as well.
We had people on the surface and exploring for 80 hours. We collected 2200 separate rock samples weighing 842 pounds in total and brought them back. What could hour 81 tell us that hours 1-80 didn't? What about rock sample 2201? We have used our increasingly advanced technology to analyze the samples we have ever since they were collected, from the convenience of a NASA lab.
Don't forget about the KGB, who was applying its full power to finding out as much about the space program as possible. All they would have needed was one informant, and they could have exposed the whole thing.
SolarDubstep ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:48:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a video about how the technology to fake the video didn't exist, even towards the end of the Apollo program.
And really, there isn't much to the moon. Its moon rocks, moon dust and meteor bits.
Vault_34_Dweller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would we want to go back? There is nothing to gain from it outside of a fuck you to the soviet union
euphoria110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:29 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a documentary that showed two photos that were listed as being a mile or so away from each other but the hill line and camera position were exactly the same when overlayed on each other. They only difference was there was a rock in the foreground that was only in one.
Pikesmakker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proving to the Soviets that we could was really the biggest reason to go to the moon. There's nothing there.
ToastLord78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd recommend you watch "moon hoax not" on YouTube if you haven't already. I think you're overestimating the power of movie magic in the 60s and 70s
J_Schermie ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that it's possible that the GOP are trying to dominate the world, and they hired Alex Jones to spin the story to make it look like liberals are trying to control everyone.
TheNewestYorker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Hahahahaha! Are you 9 years old?! It sure sounds like you are!
Real_Hugh_Janus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's just an average liberal. The 9 year is old probably smarter
J_Schermie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:40 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying it's possible. Because both parties have fascist sides to them
Reala27 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 03:00:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To everyone in this thread:
SOURCES. RELIABLE, PEER-REVIEWED SOURCES. IF IT'S A POLITICAL CONSPIRACY, HARD EVIDENCE IS NECESSARY.
Rule number 1: If you can't show it, you don't know it.
OriginalDogan ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:37:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do... Do you even know the definition of "conspiracy theory?"
Qulijah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably a fedora-wearing enlightened atheist aswell, heh.
3kindsofsalt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't show you that pecans are one of the best all time pizza toppings. I can't show you that I once landed and lost a speckled trout bigger than my arm from the elbow down. I can't provide you with any objective proof that there is a waitress that favors one of my kids over everyone else in the restaurant.
I know all of these things. They are not source-able.
You know there's never been a controlled double blind experiment proving the efficacy of parachutes?
Reala27 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first one is unknowable, since there is no way to objectively measure taste. An image of the second one would suffice. A video of the third. You can absolutely have sources for those.
Knowledge is a subset of believe characterized by being both well justified and true.
3kindsofsalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have any pictures of the fish because it got away and I didn't get a picture of it. I have no video.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You're ignoring the validity of things that are known experientially.
Reala27 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:53:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anecdotes are not evidence. Your anecdote may be credible, as in "this is a thing that can potentially occur" but I have no reason to believe anything you say simply because you say it. If I cannot replicate the process by which you arrived at your conclusion, it is invalid.
3kindsofsalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. Anything that isn't proven to you isn't true. That's not collassally egocentric or anything.
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is just basic standards of evidence. If someone cannot test your process against reality to make sure your conclusions line up with what the tests actually show, they have no reason to believe it. Be that an actual, empirical test or just a line of reasoning. Knowledge is necessarily demonstrable, and if you can't show it you don't know it.
dacookeymonsta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...but if there's hard evidence then it isn't a conspiracy...
Reala27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more individuals to commit a crime at some point in the future. No part of that definition implies lack of evidence. Although for conspiritards absence of evidence is often considered evidence of presence, that's not how reality works.
WhoisSkankhunt42 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:37 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a Nazi if not the grand wizard himself possibly the anti-christ.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:44:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I too have thought he is the anti christ. One sign is if he gets shot or has a head injury and lives.
lxthologica ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:48:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i do believe the the first moon landing was faked. but im not one of the people who don't believe in the moon or don't think anyone has ever really gone there. i just don't think the first one was real. just think about it, the whole world was in a race to see who get get there faster, whatever the cost. so america must've realized they might not have gotten there first, so they faked it. and there is proof of it too. if you look back at the footage, the flag was blowing as if there was a breeze, but there couldn't be a breeze on the moon. and, the sky was just black. where were all the stars? there was a ton of other evidence but im not going to list it all.
TheNewestYorker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:33:46 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do some research, Jesus Christ. Everything you just brought up is easily explained with simple facts that even you can understand.
shrekinator ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:29:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The flag was wavering as it was rammed in the ground. Newton's third law. There are no stars visible because the reflection of the sun on the surface outshines the faint light of the stars, the camera isn't able to capture the faint light. I'll be happy to debunk every other piece of evidence you have.
Alitravels ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the amount of ignorant people on here is too damn high.
dinosaregaylikeme ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:33:17 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Musk is an Alien. He wants to get home and that is why he wants to go to Mars so bad.
AaronsBestFriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:19 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/thecaveallegory
blind3agle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:19:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Restaurant staff like to wait until I have food in mouth to ask me how the food is.
It's like I watched you ,watch me as I lifted the damn food in my mouth. Why do you think I want to respond to you as I chew steak!?
Patternsonpatterns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a theory on this though, you're less likely to complain or ask for anything else with a mouth full of food.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:35:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Usuri91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:30 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was coconuts.
garrypig ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:42 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DIA NWO secret society thing. But it's the truth
remymartinia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:50:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should do this on a throwaway but here we go: I have had doubts about whether the US actually went to the moon. Have you seen what they went there in? The thing doesn't look like it could be used to pop microwave popcorn.
TheGreenestGreening ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:51:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know they've been to the moon more than once right?
thetransportedman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:02:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason the GOP defunds planned parenthood isn't for "pro life" ideology or voter support but to increase birth rates amongst the poor and less educated further increasing the wealth gap
jtapp83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this one. It's good! It would be hard to argue that it is not a likely outcome of defunding Planned Parenthood
Nickonthepc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:20:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Population control. Aids just so happened to start in a poor, uneducated African country; where, it spreads sexually, and targets gays. Oh yeah thousands of people have died because a dude fucked a monkey one day.
Edit: woaa for a post basically asking people to state their generally unacceptable conspiracy theories there's a lot of downvoting
Katella57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MRSA kills more people annually than HIV/AIDS, is easier to spread, and it isn't sexually discriminating. HIV/AIDS is a pretty shitty way to kill people in the name of population control.
Nickonthepc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:37:51 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very prevalent in gays. And highly doubt pc would create a Black Plague. Helps the medical industry, keeps the gays down, controls population. But maybe I'm just delusional. Just always made sense to me
Hillaryisverysick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:22:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE GOVERNMENT PUT CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TO MAKE THE FREAKING FROGS GAY.
foreverjl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ISIS and North Korea is all just a decoy to shift your attention away from the bigger problems
cuckgoblerz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:40:29 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chem trails
cjcastro_92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:44:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The earth is definitely flat, but we live on a cube. ;-)
pavemnt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:46:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Wal-Marts stick extra car in their parking lots to make them seem more packed. I always feel like I have to walk a mile from a parking spot but there's never anyone in there.
mr_nobody3123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:17 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U must live in a rural area
Nashithk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:46:14 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only one of the Olsen twin. She's just running really fast back and forth, so she seems like 2. We don't know how she does it, but, we're close.!!
magariot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
US elections were hacked by the Russians.
joe1up ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:03:26 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paul McCartney died and was replaced with a lookalike.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:34:00 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tin foil hats increase the reception of your thoughts
Julian2000nl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:57:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extraterrestrial life/UFO's. I was watching a YouTube channel called SecureTeam10 which broadcasts UFO sightings but took it with a grain of salt at first. Recently I saw a UFO with my own eyes and I'm not crazy, it was a ball shaped UFO just like in many of his videos and it was moving pretty fast, and it was pretty high up but still clearly visible. Me and my brother both saw it, so I'm not seeing things. It's real.
The8centimeterguy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:58:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that someone is paying NGOs to send as many refugees as possible here in italy to de-stabilize our country for some reason, or the current ruling party pays NGOs to send refugees so they can make them italian citizens as fast as possible to cope up with their abysmal approval ratings.
Why do i believe this? Because a couple of NGOs picked up refugees from the lybian coast, when they were still on land and the government passed a bill that makes all first generation migrants italian citizens.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:59:48 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens exist
kiingb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finland is not real. Basically the Japanese and Soviet governments met and decided to pretend Finland is a country so they could have free reign over the fishing buisness in the ocean that is where Finland is is. More explained over at r/finlandconspiracy
Edit: this is kind of a meme but theres "evidence" at this sub, I dont want to write a long thing I'm about to sleep
profhelios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been to Finland. It's Belgium that doesn't exist.
kiingb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you think youve been to finland youve probably been to eastern sweeden
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kiingb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:59 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about to sleep BUT IT'S ALL EXPLAINED ON the finland sub
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:16:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Despite feminism, there are plenty of wamen that respecc bacc
loissemuter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:18:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At about 1:40 left in Round two, when Colleen. How is she going to . "You just gotta have some willpower, you just gotta want it. She don't want i! SeeS how she's giving uo? She's gotta want it, turn around and move. You don't want it. Colleen is seated with MAsters on her back.
I like the fact that she never gave uo...after fight
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:28:41 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This world is Trumps own personal simulation created by his advanced civilization to keep him out of their real one.
I can't understand how an idiot like that can still be so powerful after so many fuckups, unless the world is shaped to fit him.
Ehrl_Broeck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:39:02 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that Elon Musk speech about robots taking human positions and dire need of universal income just a way to create loophole in laws allowing him to fire bunch of people and replacing them with assembly robots. Right now in most countries you need a valid reason to fire person otherwise you will be sued, but with universal income you can go with "but he has money to live on" and fire bunch of people replacing them for robots. Elon Musk thinks about efficency, not people.
Earle89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:22 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude, that is wrong on so many levels....
Ehrl_Broeck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he cares about his personel that afraid to call ambulance and engineers who burns down in a couple of months happily living his company? Yeah...
angrymonkey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:21:23 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PETA is a false flag front for the meat industry, designed to make vegetarians look insane.
Metalbass5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it has more to due with the rift in leadership. When the new head of PETA took control she completely devastated their public image through poorly thought out demonstrations. She got her shock value but lost legitimacy.
Las7imelord ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:42:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 aeroplane fuel doesn't melt steel
rafaelninja13 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:08:01 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are aliens/UFO's. Call me crazy, but I've seen them with my own eyes and there is no logical explanation I can come up of what else they could be. My parents have also seen them.
spbfixedsys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I had a daylight sighting on a clear day of a classic disc shaped craft. It looked, hovered, changed colour and flew at velocity like nothing else I have seen. It gave me the distinct impression that it was not of this world.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw an UFO too, I think it was an allucination because human or not its behavious had no logic
DameofCrones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:09:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 5-year business plan of every "defense" and armaments company on the planet.
kindlyenlightenme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:30:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โWhat conspiracy theory are you certain is true, why?โ The conspiracy of silence in regard to consciousness. Since a myriad โconsciousnessโsโ all conscious of differing realities, cannot be cognitively correct. Yet everyone remains silent. As they either don't want to appear stupid, or else don't want to admit to being stupid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:56:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the US government is trying to take all of my money. Why?... Because the US government is taking all of my money.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:16:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that calling people full of shit is a ploy to shift blame on those who are constipated.
tylermcnaney ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:38:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fiber in food, we are taught that fiber helps our digestive system, what it really does is clear you out so you eat more
Metalbass5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:15:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually your gut bacteria feeds on it, leading to healthier intestinal flora. Also, a lack of insoluble fiber can lead to buildup of waste, and eventual weakening and stretching of the intestinal walls.
As someone with diverticulutis/diverticulosis, I can tell you that dietary fiber can save your life. My intestines nearly ruptured due to a lack of it. Now I have to deal with intestinal pain every single day.
On top of gut health, fiber intake can also help lower cholesterol and prevent a variety of diseases. Since your gut health can directly influence your mental state (gut receptors), a lack of fiber and intestinal irregularity can even exacerbate depression etc.
If you'd like some clinical info/links to studies/papers I can post some. Eat lots of fiber, yo! It's really important! A huge portion of the people who die from diverticulosis don't even know they have it.
Nutritionfacts.org is a great resource. The site is a non-profit started by a nutritionist whose mother was saved from heart disease and imminent death with a healthy, plant based diet. A team of volunteer medical pros wade through all of the studies and analyze them for validity and supportability, so you get to hear real findings from real studies, without having to check every paper for suspicious sponsors or questionable procedure.
So yeah. Take it from someone who will die without proper fiber intake: EAT FUCKING FIBER.
Then again, you don't have to. Could always just bank on the colon resegmentation surgery...
tylermcnaney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:39 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well thank you for that. I'll eat some fiber now
Metalbass5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:20 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you, yo. Look after your gut.
djexpat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:54:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my armchair conspiracy theorist opinion but the death of Osama Bin Laden. If I remember right Obama announced his death during his re election campaign, and how did Zero Dark Thirty come out SO SOON after his death? Also, where's the body? Did it really get thrown in the ocean?
Rabidleopard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:15 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Osama was killed in 2011, Obama ran for reelection in 2012.
yesanything ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:12 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Though many falsehoods, there are some truths in the #p%$#gate thing
domeoldboys ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:58:54 on November 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big corporate funds the libertarian movement to convince Americans a smaller government is good government. Once regulatory agencies are diminished, big corporate provides โassistanceโ to the agencies. Drafting rule/laws and funding research that is always favourable to there cause. This also goes hand in hand with reduced tax burden and increased public reliance on private enterprise.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jurjeneros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying the illuminati is 50.000 years old? During the Upper Palaeolithic Revolution religion more or less got started. All cultures alive had their own religions, all cultures believed in some sort of god.
So a 50.000 year old organisation had cross continental controll of the world population in 48.000 bc?
Fucking tosser
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:53:54 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jurjeneros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Christianity or Islam period" you mean 700+ years?
Christianity and Islam were both based off of Judaism, which according to your well thought out theory must have also been come up with by the illuminati, extending the time period with a few more centuries.
Where's the proof? Where's the evidence?
You genuinely think the illuminati came up with religion yet you call me immature?
If you got offended when i called you a fucking tosser, my apologies. In my culture calling someone a tosser is pretty standard if they are being silly.
Mayornayz ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:35:13 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flat earth. Def true
dolbyscott ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:18:21 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐๐๐๐๐คฃ๐ ๐๐ณ๐คฃ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ thanks for the laugh.
CaptainFilmy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:11 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't that funny
dolbyscott ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:58 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listening to flat earthers is like listening to kids describe Santa Clause, it's sweet they believe but everyone above 6 years old knows the truth.
TheNewestYorker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm the Easter Bunny.
BBignachoplatezson ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:55 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flat Earth
Meowmeowkatt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:34 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All
MrMolester ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:58 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone or something taught us agriculture.
lateu69 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:43 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That hillary and john pedophile podesta had seth rich killed
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit and here I thought people were actually going to answer this one with halfway interesting, marginally well-thought-out arguments.
lateu69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get it fam. You like being a cuck and want to keep it that way. You stay happy and so does your wife and her boyfriend!
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your life sounds sad
lateu69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:19 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to yours who enjoys seeing their wife getting fucked by someone else. LMAO
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:55 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who hurt you?
lateu69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:16 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh?
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:34 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I'll clarify: who failed you and let you become a sniveling little cunt with shit for brains?
lateu69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:40 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be your wife. I'm her boyfriend. Now, go lick her pussy, I'm done with her
ShitOnRickard5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aw the cunt's only got one circus trick, it seems
jackluke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:40 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed
jessebop ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:03 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzagate is real. Reddit censored it only cuz it was legit
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sandy hook
AskABikevivor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:57 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct The Record/Shareblue is active on reddit.
248401194 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:10 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/11 and moon landinh
supershitposting ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
David Duke is actually a plant so that anybody he endorses has their credibility damaged for that news cycle. Or he's just an irrelevant leach.
Every AI that's been made, from Microsoft Tay to that one in China, ends up being a gigantic asshole intentionally taking the idealogical bias of it's Creator and going in completely the opposite direction.
The Chinese AI praised America and Microsoft's Tay became a Nazi.
Newcool1230 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:56 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon landing
git ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:27 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Bill Hicks didnโt really die and instead adopted a new identity as Alex Jones.
AbsolGamez0 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:51:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon landing, yes i know dumb for this question but SERIOUSLY HOW DOES A FLAG WAVE LIKE WIND IS HITTING IT IN SPACE, THEIR IS NO AIR TO BE PUSHING IT,also where are the stars? I feel like if you were in space on the moon you would see quite a few but nope, not one on the footage, also the clear reflections in the masks and the fact that the shadows of everything were going in different directions as if their were stagelights?the government just says stupid stuff like the flag was just unfolding and it was the sun in the reflection reflecting off somethin else but nope, also theirs a rock that has a clear C on ot as if its a prop, theirs some more and ik this is dumb but how can all that evidence get covered up.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:50 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing to stop it from moving once it starts moving
TheNewestYorker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:05 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're trolling right? That, or you're a total idiot.
dinosaregaylikeme ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:30:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Musk is an Alien. He wants to get home and that is why he wants to go to Mars so bad.
sishirpeyyeti ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:46:47 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone asked this before. Stop trying to get karma.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:33 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't get karma for an ask Reddit post. Not OP, just sayin
validopinion7 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the government is hiding the fact that the earth is flat because it's clearly not curved when I look at it.
TyrellaNell ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:04 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is nobody mentioning 9/11?
ticklemehomo101 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:19 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big financial corporations rule the world.
The Earth is actually flat.
If we keep the population below a certain number we can collectively alter matter with our minds.
9/11 was made to get oil
Ancient Egypt knew so much that we can't explain.
Ancient cultures have items that modern science can't replicate.
Aliens are real
Etc ..
So. What else is on tv....
11-22-1963 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:18 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 9/11 was planned and executed by factions of the US ruling class, with assistance from Israel, Saudi Arabia (perhaps as a willing dupe) & Pakistan. Those three towers on 9/11 were demolished via controlled explosions. Likely Primaline-85 detonation cord to break up the steel floor pans and RDX cutters/charges for the columns. Not one of the many thousands of floor pans or steel trusses has been documented in the rubble.
ImSorryImInLP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:12 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Looking through your account: you really, truly are crazy. I hope you manage to get some help.
11-22-1963 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:01 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not believing US propaganda is not a sign of "craziness". You are truly naive if you think the capitalist class wouldn't invent false flags as pretext to invade, plunder, and destroy other countries in their imperial conquest as has been done for decades.
Over one million civilians died in the Americans' illegal 2003 invasion and destruction of Iraq. That is a public, documented fact. Remember how hard the Bush adminstration tried to tie Iraq with 9/11. You think it was a mere coincidence that 9/11 happened and the US immediately invaded two countries and prepared for a third (Syria)?
Just look at the shit that's upvoted in this thread. Michael Jordan this. Selfies that. Regime change propaganda about Russia and North Korea. Timid, uninteresting shit about US politics or simply parroting the horseshit Trump-Russia collusion narrative.
"Only enemies of the US state department can plan false flags, bomb innocent people and stage coup d'etats! The US is innocent, and even when it's not, other countries did it too...five hundred years ago!"
ImSorryImInLP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:16 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, dude, I would never read a comment like this from you. I have a full grasp on all the events you take issue with. Sincerely, you need to get help. This has nothing to do with your beliefs, and everything to do with your obvious mental illness. I understand you can't see it, that's why I am telling you: you need help. Are you familiar with schizophrenia?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:46 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ImSorryImInLP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:17 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK. I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope someday you can see out of the fog well enough to make a positive change. It's really scary to see people like yourself going around untreated, however. I'm seriously afraid you're going to hurt someone you deem too "ignorant" or "patronizing" when they don't subscribe to one of your theories. Please remember there are more important things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:01 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ImSorryImInLP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:44 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't need to read this, dude. I wish you well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:03 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ImSorryImInLP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:02:12 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, everyone but you is sheltered and unaware, I understand. In actuality most of us just don't really care, it's your illness that's leading to your obsession. You could have blocked me the whole time, friend. Enjoy your day.
Pattriktrik ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hollow earth theory
Edit: why was i downvoted? The hollow earth theory is wicked interesting! There's hundreds of caves that are off limits to civilians! Also supposedly there's a giant hole in Antartica that's a no fly zone and it's guarded by the military!!! Somethings sketchy about Antartica, i mean why does every military have bases there?
KitSwiftpaw ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:32 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I belive that the dems funded both sides of charlottes... wherever it was. Too tired to look up the name, don't care anyway.
akjoltoy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 23:11:27 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that the 1969 moon landing was a hoax
stixmcvix ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:42:18 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WikiLeaks was knowingly in cahoots with Russia for the Clinton emails to ensure Clinton lost the election. It's a fact that Nigel Farage is good friends with Trump and he's visited the Ecuadorean Embassy and Roger Stone has also referenced that there was a high profile British go-between that sits between Trump and Assange.
I'm also not 100% sure about the MMR vaccine. I think it's a public health cover up to make sure everyone vaccinates their kids. Better to minimise measles, mumps and rubella than have a handful of kids contracting autism. (And yeah I know, I'm gonna get a shit ton of downvotes for saying that.)
Edit: ha! What did I say!
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 01:57:16 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% sure the earth is flat. Illuminati controlling the governments/Hollywood to push fake narratives (such as space travel). Im also sure that atheism/religion are both controlled, to keep humans away from the real truth.
You are certain of the ball earth, until you actually research it for real.
Edit: It's fine that you guys disagree. But atleast research it. We all know that the governments worldwide are corrupt. Why is it so hard to think they lie about the earth too?
DarylDixion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:54 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah no.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps that was my intent, but I don't normally show my cards til the betting is done ;-)